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1337h4kor
Wraith
Posted: 17 Oct 2007
09:38 GMT
Total Posts: 612 | Ok I recently aquired a copy of this fine book. Have any of you read it? If you have or just know what he's talking about in the up coming quote please tell me. (Only on page 34 and already I think that my brain's about to asplode)
"The work presumes a standard ofeducation corresponding to that of a university matriculation examination, and, despite the shortness of the book, a fair amount of patience and force of will on the part of the reader." Page 3.
Ok I get that he's saying that the book isn't an easty read but what the $#$@% does he mean by "university matriculation examination". Does he mean that you should have graduated from colledge to be able to read and understand everything in the book?
P.S. I was talking about Page 3 on the PDF file in the actuall book I believe that it was more like 6.
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Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 17 Oct 2007
22:25 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | It means you should be at least in college to understand the easiest of these concepts. For the hardest, you need to have a physics doctorate, probably. |
haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 18 Oct 2007
04:52 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | My copy of the book claims that anyone with a high school education should be able to comprehend its content.
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1337h4kor
Wraith
Posted: 18 Oct 2007
10:08 GMT
Total Posts: 612 | where did you get your copy?
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 18 Oct 2007
14:42 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | From our bookshelf. Beyond that, I don't know.
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1337h4kor
Wraith
Posted: 18 Oct 2007
18:44 GMT
Total Posts: 612 | Is it the original 1916 version or is the revised 1924 edition. The one I was talking about was the 1924 revised version.
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ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 18 Oct 2007
20:28 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | I have the original copy.
By "original", I mean the one with all the ink blotches and which is written in some bizarre language... anyone know what "großen" means? |
1337h4kor
Wraith
Posted: 19 Oct 2007
09:34 GMT
Total Posts: 612 | Oh the one in German. So how does it have english in the front. You said that it was wrote in some odd language? Then how could you read the front. Who in your family got it? großen means 'to the big ones.' why?
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 19 Oct 2007
19:26 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | Mine says that it was originally copyrighted in 1961 by Albert Einstein's estate. Here's a scanned picture of my copy, scaled down to size:
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1337h4kor
Wraith
Posted: 19 Oct 2007
21:52 GMT
Total Posts: 612 | Ah yes you have the revised edition. Mine is the orginal 1924 edition the very first time that it was ever printed in English. It's only a PDF but it still works. Ah yes your's is obviously scaled down for the common reader. Mine is the original book as good ol' Albert Einstein. Mine is very wordy and almost makes my brain asplode. Your's would be a quick read for me.
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ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 19 Oct 2007
22:28 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | 1337h4kor: Right... sarcasm does not convey over the internets... No, I don't have it. And großen means "big" or some such, iirc. |
1337h4kor
Wraith
Posted: 20 Oct 2007
21:03 GMT
Total Posts: 612 | Why it should be. <sarcasm> Look how good a president G. W. Bush is </sarcasm>. See it would be something like that.
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 21 Oct 2007
08:04 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | Actually, why don't you post a link to your copy, since you have it digitalized? It shouldn't be too difficult to upload it to a file-hosting site if it isn't already online...
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1337h4kor
Wraith
Posted: 21 Oct 2007
14:54 GMT
Total Posts: 612 | Relativity: General and Special Theroy By Albert Einstein Well there's the link. Download as a PDF for the full effect.
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 21 Oct 2007
15:33 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | You know what's funny? That text is exactly what's in my copy. Why don't you try to find something in your copy that you struggled with? I bet it's in mine, because everything that I checked up on was. The only difference that I could find was that my copy had a fifth appendix, while that online copy does not.
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1337h4kor
Wraith
Posted: 22 Oct 2007
19:24 GMT
Total Posts: 612 | so is the text exactly the same or is your's just simplified version of mine.
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 22 Oct 2007
21:12 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | Exactly the same.
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1337h4kor
Wraith
Posted: 23 Oct 2007
09:23 GMT
Total Posts: 612 | then why does it say that anyone can understand? Where as mine is very odd. But previously you've said that your's starts out differently.
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 23 Oct 2007
16:16 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | Mine has a fifth appendix (post-text). If Albert Einstein had not attempted to write at a simpler level than the one on which his brain functioned, then you would be dead.
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1337h4kor
Wraith
Posted: 25 Oct 2007
00:36 GMT
Total Posts: 612 | No mine is the one that starts of different and you said so here:
'My copy of the book claims that anyone with a high school education should be able to comprehend its content.' <havecalc>
So then why did you say that huh? If your's is exactly the same then explain why the begining and the copyright are different. Huh? I asked you a question. I want an answer!
P.S. What is the very first lines of it the preface I mean. Here's mine. I wish to see yours in your next post on this topic.
Here's mine. (look below line)
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Preface
(December, 1916)
The present book is intended, as far as possible, to give an exact insight into the theory of
Relativity to those readers who, from a general scientific and philosophical point of view, are
interested in the theory, but who are not conversant with the mathematical apparatus of theoretical
physics. The work presumes a standard of education corresponding to that of a university
matriculation examination, and, despite the shortness of the book, a fair amount of patience and
force of will on the part of the reader. The author has spared himself no pains in his endeavour to
present the main ideas in the simplest and most intelligible form, and on the whole, in the sequence
and connection in which they actually originated. In the interest of clearness, it appeared to me
inevitable that I should repeat myself frequently, without paying the slightest attention to the
elegance of the presentation. I adhered scrupulously to the precept of that brilliant theoretical
physicist L. Boltzmann, according to whom matters of elegance ought to be left to the tailor and to
the cobbler. I make no pretence of having withheld from the reader difficulties which are inherent to
the subject. On the other hand, I have purposely treated the empirical physical foundations of the
theory in a "step−motherly" fashion, so that readers unfamiliar with physics may not feel like the
wanderer who was unable to see the forest for the trees. May the book bring some one a few
happy hours of suggestive thought!
December, 1916
A. EINSTEIN
P.P.S.
Make sure you include it. I wish to see where you found the word 'high school'.
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 25 Oct 2007
09:49 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | first page of preface
left side of the book's jacket, which states that the book's unabridged and that the concepts aren't so difficult to comprehend
Really, I don't know where you've gotten the idea that your mind is so high above everyone else's, nor have I any idea why anything that I've said would cause you to freak out and take on an angry and offended mood. I won't bother scanning anything else; just flattening the book out for scanning the preface has hurt its binding.
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1337h4kor
Wraith
Posted: 25 Oct 2007
10:56 GMT
Total Posts: 612 | I never said that my mind was greater I was just saying that your version is different than mine. Ah yes inside cover. I understand now. I understand everything thus far, except what I've previously said before. The only sad thing is that I don't remember all of the formulas. :(
Ok I understand now. But you could have just typed it all up. But also the (C) on mine has ended so thus I can freely distribute it easily. Ah yes but still though not everything in there could be understood by a standard high school graduate. Trust me I know a few people who would agree with what L said. The most basic things require the reader to really think. In one part he freaks me out by saying what he believes what I'm going to say.
I'm happy now.
Edit by L: Don't spam.
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