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1337h4kor
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Posted: 5 Jun 2007
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So, what do you think: How did he build coral castle, or even did he?

I believe that, after creating a warp field around the object he intended to move, he would create a quantum sinqualarity field around it as well. Finally, he would cause it to be out of sync with normal time. thus giving it a mass of zero.

My favorite number 6, the reason being that it's the first perfect number. Also, if you add it to the multiplicative identity and multiply that number by its self, you get 42, which also adds up to equal 6: the first perfect number.

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1337h4kor
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Posted: 5 Jun 2007
23:55 GMT
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W0W l75 02:54 H3R3 4N) l'M 57l11 4W4K3. (^^)= KlR8Y l 108 1337.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 6 Jun 2007
07:10 GMT
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No, he totally got it on Ebay. That magnet capacitor idea's great, though.

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banjo2E
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Posted: 6 Jun 2007
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haveacalc
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Posted: 6 Jun 2007
11:41 GMT
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Besides, it's very pointless.

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threefingeredguy
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Posted: 6 Jun 2007
20:56 GMT
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Staying up until 2:54 isn't dumb in itself, but being proud of it is. I've spent the last week on a doubled sleep/awake schedule in which I stay up for 32 hours then sleep for 16.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 6 Jun 2007
21:03 GMT
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Besides the obvious, how is it different? I mean, don't you experience a dip in consciousness in the middle of the 32 hours? Are you able to stay awake for the full 16? Sorry, but that sounds like a pretty cool idea, now that you mention it.

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threefingeredguy
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Posted: 7 Jun 2007
00:08 GMT
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I don't recommend it. I only did it because when I got in bed I was taking care of a few things on my laptop and got involved in a whole bunch of stuff. I was doing stuff the whole second half and doing nothing the whole first half. If I had been doing anything but playing videogames for the first half my whole brain would have been fried. I DO recommend switching to the polyphasic sleep schedule. Look up the Uberman Sleep Schedule, it's pretty cool. I'm not on it at the moment. I stopped doing it because I found I had too muhc free time.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 7 Jun 2007
08:46 GMT
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I've been familiar with polyphasic sleep for a while. I had lots of free time, but I was never able to be asleep for the full length of time that was supposedly required. I also kept running into microsleeps, so it definitely didn't help that no one around me was devoted to helping me to adapt. I also stopped trying when I came across this enlightenment and read it all the way through. I believe what that says more than blogs or the everything2 testament not just because it introduces solid facts to the hazy logs of bloggers, but it seems to make much more sense than the things that promote polyphasic sleep do.

How long were you on the Uberman, though? If you got past the adaptation period and liked it, then that's awesome and I might try it again.

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ryantmer
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Posted: 7 Jun 2007
16:38 GMT
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The big problem with that [Uberman] is timing the sleep periods properly, and being school, it would be hard for me (although I figured out a way I could do it, staying almost exactly on the plan [I believe one 20 minute rest was 10 minutes off or something]).
haveacalc
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Posted: 7 Jun 2007
17:14 GMT
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30 minutes every 6 hours instead of 20 ever 4.

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threefingeredguy
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Posted: 7 Jun 2007
19:12 GMT
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I made it through after about a week and a half of transition then 2 weeks on it. I had way too much free time though. Right now I'm still on the double schedule simply because it's been convenient and things keep distracting me when I go to bed.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 7 Jun 2007
19:23 GMT
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Did you feel as mentally capable as normal? Also, during the transition, how important was it to be perfectly rigid in when the sleep was? I think I'll get into this, now that it's summer.

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Zachary940
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Posted: 7 Jun 2007
23:55 GMT
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I sleep when I'm tired, eat when I'm hungary, and shower when I stink. Thats the schedule I'm on.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 8 Jun 2007
00:57 GMT
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If everyone acted upon necessity, then no one would be prepared for any problems.

I do some 'bout it when there aren't enough waking hours in the day, I hope.

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threefingeredguy
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Posted: 8 Jun 2007
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I felt more alert than when I was on a normal schedule. During the transition you have to be as rigid as possible. When you've fully adjusted it's just like any other sleep schedule, oversleeping messes everything up and delaying sleep makes you tired. Of course since this sleep schedule leaves little room for mistake, even a slight mess-up can be devastating.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 8 Jun 2007
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I don't have any scheduled activities (besides weekly piano and marimba lessons) for around two weeks. Since I have an infinite list of different skills I'd like to build if I had time, I think I'm all for this. More programming time, too. I just hope that it actually works to get 30 sleeping minutes every 6 hours. Supposedly, that's what Buckminster Fuller did for two years.

I'm assuming it's a good idea to use a loud alarm clock.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 8 Jun 2007
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That's disconcerting to realize that, when I'm adapting to polyphasic sleep, my subconscious wants to sleep badly enough that I don't recognize the sound of the alarm until I've been awake for 30 seconds.

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threefingeredguy
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Posted: 8 Jun 2007
13:28 GMT
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Use an egg timer if it's loud enough.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 8 Jun 2007
13:53 GMT
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That might be what I'll do for my next nap; I ended up going two minutes over for my last one. I hope that didn't screw me up... If you know something I don't, please share.

Edit: That was a good idea that worked once I got used to the ticking next to my ear.

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threefingeredguy
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Posted: 9 Jun 2007
03:02 GMT
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Uh, no caffeine, the healthier you eat the easier it is to adapt to the schedule likely because the body is simply dealing with less stressors, always have something to do planned out. I suggest Silkroad Online. That's what I did. If you do decide to play I can hook you up with some cool stuff on Olympus. I also watched a lot of videos online like the ones on tweekerville.com and alluc.org. I played a lot of WarioWare on my DS. Those things are fairly simple and mindless, but serve to keep you awake even when you're brain-dead. Find simple but not repetitive tasks to occupy yourself. Don't program, you'll get frustrated, lost, confused, and sleepy from it. You can program once you made it back up to a normal or higher level of alertness.

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banjo2E
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Posted: 9 Jun 2007
08:31 GMT
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No offense, but I'm staying out of this sleep schedule. There are two main reasons for this: One, although it's summer vacation (w00t!) my parents would allow this less than my sleeping all day (which I did yesterday; get this--I had three nights in a row that I stayed up until 2 or 3 pm, having to get up at six the next day, and the day after (yesterday) I slept until four. PM.) and two, experience tells me that you need at least seven or eight hours of sleep to function properly, no matter if you get them all at once or dispersed throughout the day; this allows for a few mistakes here or there, such as a few all-nighters, by simply placing their lost sleep time under credit, meaning that extra sleep will eventually cancel out the bad effects of the all-nighters.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 9 Jun 2007
09:46 GMT
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The thing is, 30 minutes of sleep is much easier to make up than 5 or more hours, even though I hear that missing it is completely devastating.


The alarm clock fell off of my ear and onto the floor before it rang, so I didn't wake up. This sucks, because I was doing just fine up until then. I wonder how long I should wait before the effect of having already started wears off. Looking at summer, I can try picking it back up right now, or I have time to adjust to polyphasic sleep a month from now. Everything worked and I plan to tape the alarm to my ear, so I think I'm all set. Do you know if it matters if I start right now, since the alarm's having fell off of my ear made me catch up on sleep?

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threefingeredguy
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Posted: 9 Jun 2007
19:51 GMT
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Just keep going as planned.

Also the whole point of the polyphasic sleep schedule is to reduce the wasted time spent sleeping. Your body needs 2 to 3 hours of REM sleep, the rest is just transitonary sleep stages. Polyphasic sleep forces your body to enter REM sleep right away instead of being in a useless phase of sleep for several hours. Since you move directly in and out of REM sleep, lucid dreaming is really easy and you'll always remember your dreams. Lucid dreaming was really what I miss most about it.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 10 Jun 2007
07:16 GMT
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It be a lot easier to get used to it a second time, I'd bet. You should try it through college.

There are too many things going on in the coming two weeks for it be likely for me to be able to time everything right. Even if I can, I need to be able to drive a car 2 hours a day during these first 10 days, so I'm kind of worried about fading off as I drive. I just got the schedules for the music camps that I'm staying up all night practicing for in the first place, and it looks like it wouldn't work out there, anyway.

This is still great to know that it works though, because it looks like it will make everything work for this coming school year. I plan to start a month from now, since it wouldn't work any sooner. On an unrelated note, if you were joking about getting it to work, I'd really like to know now so that my life doesn't get screwed up.

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threefingeredguy
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Posted: 10 Jun 2007
08:04 GMT
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Not joking.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 10 Jun 2007
14:24 GMT
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Oh, good. I've gotten a lot of crap from people who insist that it's not real or stunts brain development, since one gets so little sleep when on such a plan. The problem with that conjecture is that people feel tired when they need more sleep. I also don't really believe the guy on everything2.com in his reasoning because he insists that REM is super important. That wouldn't make sense, though, since it's actually the lightest form of sleep, from what I've learned from the doctors I've talked to. Also, people on antidepressants are completely deprived of REM, but they don't die. I really hope that some people do more lab research on this and publicize it more; bloggers aren't the most credible source of information.

About me trying it, though: I'll post about if I do or don't make it. I can't see what could possibly go wrong, since I've experienced pretty much every possible thwarting of it that could happen (not this last time, but back in 2006). Thus, I know what to look out for at this point and am prepared, I think. I'll still be careful, because that idea could blow up in my face.

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threefingeredguy
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Posted: 10 Jun 2007
19:52 GMT
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REM is the deepest sleep...

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haveacalc
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Posted: 11 Jun 2007
08:40 GMT
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Really? I thought that deep sleep was the deepest sleep.

Wow, it looks like Wikipedia's polyphasic sleep article has improved drastically since the last time I saw it. According to them, the content of naps switches between REM and NREM, so that negates that one point of it screwing up growth, brain development, and healin' time. Of course, that wouldn't make hardly any sense at all for the content to alternate, since the whole premise of polyphasic sleep is to eliminate unnecessary forms of sleep.

I really have no idea what is and isn't true, though. What I know is based on what I've read, since I obviously haven't experienced successful polyphasic sleep yet. Of course, the last time I tried was in the middle of first semester, so I had to take naps during lunch, which didn't work at all.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 11 Jun 2007
20:57 GMT
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Haha, I saw tr1p1ea on CalcG.

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threefingeredguy
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Posted: 11 Jun 2007
21:17 GMT
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For the first and last time, amirite.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 11 Jun 2007
21:20 GMT
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Well, it said he was user #70.

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banjo2E
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Posted: 13 Jun 2007
13:20 GMT
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The order of deepness is like this:

REM_____That middle one_____Deep sleep
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threefingeredguy
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Posted: 13 Jun 2007
17:40 GMT
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No. REM is stage 5, and it's last. Learn to research.

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banjo2E
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Posted: 13 Jun 2007
19:25 GMT
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Multiple research books and PBS programs confirm my story.

Wait...I'm thinking of brain activity.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 18 Jun 2007
21:23 GMT
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Threefingeredguy, what sort of timing methods did you use when adapting to polyphasic sleep? If you feel like answering that, then which methods do you think worked?

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threefingeredguy
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Posted: 19 Jun 2007
07:04 GMT
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What? If you're asking what I did to waste time I played silkroad and had an eggtimer counting down the time.

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haveacalc
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Posted: 19 Jun 2007
09:14 GMT
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You did use nothing but an egg timer... ok.

I was wondering because the ticks of my egg timer don't directly factor into seconds, which might have interfered with one's perception of time during the nap.

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