--- Log opened Mon Feb 02 00:00:13 2009
00:02 < BrandonW> The only time I know it'll outright crash is if you delete an extremely large directory.
00:02 < TehStorm> Hmm I must have broken something, since the old version I still have on my calc works fine but the new version doesn't
00:03 < BrandonW> Of msd8x, or your program?
00:03 < TehStorm> my program
00:03 < TehStorm> not the contest entry but the other one
00:04 <+DrDnar> Well, screw homework, I'm going to work on a program I started back in---what?---November.
00:04 <@chronomex> hell yes
00:05 < BrandonW> I think you should submit an entry to the contest, DrDnar.
00:05 <+DrDnar> It crashed unpredictably. But that wasn't the problem. The problem was it stopped crashing when I put the debug code in.
00:06 <+DrDnar> The bells at my school are run by some kind of automatic thing. You sync the program with the bells, and then it provides a count-down to the end of the period.
00:06 <+DrDnar> Much fun in classes you don't like.
00:07 < BrandonW> That seems familiar.
00:07 < BrandonW> And yeah, I've seen periph8x die many times without debug code.
00:07 <+DrDnar> What IS the contest?
00:07 < BrandonW> A utility program contest at Cemetech.
00:07 < BrandonW> That's right up our alley.
00:07 <+DrDnar> Hmm.
00:07 <+DrDnar> Indeed.
00:08 <+DrDnar> I could restart that other project.
00:08 < BrandonW> I'm unbeatable, but you should still enter.
00:08 <+DrDnar> But first, I'd really like to finish this. I'd really like to release it, but I can't until I fix it.
00:08 <+DrDnar> lol, thanks a lot.
00:09 < BrandonW> Assuming that I finish.
00:14 < TehStorm> well if i can get my things to work my entry will be usefull though only to 83+ owners
00:14 < BrandonW> I hate the 83+ now.
00:14 < BrandonW> It restricts us so much.
00:14 < TehStorm> and a select few of them at that
00:17 < BrandonW> I know what I'm working on would be a lot easier without the 83+.
00:17 < BrandonW> But I am supporting it.
00:18 < TehStorm> Is it the lack of ram, or other hardware differences?
00:19 < BrandonW> The lack of RAM.
00:22 < TehStorm> Woo periph8x with MSD capibilities :)
00:22 < TehStorm> or not :(
00:23 < BrandonW> What do you mean?
00:23 < TehStorm> Vista failed to install the driver.
00:23 < BrandonW> I'm not surprised at all.
00:23 < TehStorm> I'm useing a copy I built fromt eh SVN
00:23 < BrandonW> I really wouldn't spend any time on it.
00:24 < TehStorm> I won't but I jsut wanted to see if it did moer then the buid i had
00:25 < TehStorm> more than*
00:25 < TehStorm> HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
00:25 < TehStorm> g
00:25 < TehStorm> a
00:25 < TehStorm> h
00:25 <@chronomex> ... ?
00:25 < BrandonW> It's not that stupid keyboard repeat problem again, is it?
00:25 < TehStorm> yep
00:25 < BrandonW> GRRR
00:26 < BrandonW> The keyboard driver sometimes repeats a key around 45 times.
00:26 < BrandonW> In periph8x.
00:26 < BrandonW> He was typing using the calculator.
00:26 <+DrDnar> Model M for the win.
00:26  * chronomex nods quietly
00:26 < TehStorm> I typed HI useing periph8x, and then it started to repeat enter
00:26 <@chronomex> :(
00:26 < BrandonW> It needs to be reworked.
00:26 < BrandonW> Although I'm not sure what the RIGHT way is to send a keypress.
00:27 < BrandonW> Because it's a series of key up/down events.
00:27 < BrandonW> And timing is critical.
00:28 < BrandonW> I honestly have no idea what the repeat is about...it's like a buffer PC-side isn't getting flushed or something. The USB code becomes unresponsive until the repeat is done.
00:28 < BrandonW> It's nothing the calculator is actively doing.
00:29 < TehStorm> Would emulating a legacy PS/2 keyboard be any easier?
00:29 < TehStorm> well w/e time to try print8x again
00:29 <+DrDnar> Ya know, it'd be funny to have a USB gamepad emulator in Periph8x.\
00:30 < TehStorm> its there, wella t least the menu item is, there's no code for it yet
00:30 < BrandonW> It's planned, DrDnar.
00:30 <+DrDnar> At least the calculator's hardware has honest-to-god multi-keypress supoort.
00:30 <+DrDnar> unlike many keyboards
00:31 < TehStorm> lets see if print8x likes my Epson Photo R280
00:32 < BrandonW> Unlikely.
00:36 < TehStorm> hmm it seems the svn copy is even more broken than the one in your/calcstuff directory, 
00:36 < BrandonW> periph8x or print8x?
00:36 < TehStorm> print8x
00:36 <+DrDnar> Woah. Wabbit actually emulates different CPU speeds for modes 1, 2, and 3.
00:37 < BrandonW> That's entirely possible.
00:37 <+DrDnar> Oh, wait, nope.
00:37 < BrandonW> The repository needs some work.
00:37 <+DrDnar> Just a fluke.
00:37 < TehStorm> it errored out on a printer that worked int eh past
00:37 < TehStorm> the*
00:38 < TehStorm> well my dad wants me to at least watch part of the superbowl with him so bbl guys
00:43 <+DrDnar> I'm listening to a mix of Chopin, The Decemberists, The Steep Canyon Rangers, and OC Remix.
00:44 < TehStorm> well I'm back, at least for now
00:46 <@chronomex> I'm listening to something really weird, I don't know what it is
00:46 <@chronomex> evolved.fm stream
00:46 <@chronomex> it's pretty chill
00:49 < BrandonW> Oh, it's chill?!
00:49 <@chronomex> right now it is, it ranges between there and dancey
00:49 <@chronomex> why?
00:49 < BrandonW> I have no idea what it means.
00:49 <@chronomex> o
01:02 < TehStorm> so BrandonW any progress?
01:04 < BrandonW> On what?
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01:09 < TehStorm> Your contest entry, or anything?
01:09 < BrandonW> Still can't get my head around this sorting thing.
01:09 < BrandonW> I'll be really lucky if I can finish what I wanted to finish tonight.
01:22 <+DrDnar> The worst thing is, I can't duplicate it in the emulator.
01:23 < TehStorm> if only I knew why my code didn't work :(
01:25 <+DrDnar> I thought I was on to something with lists that are long, but even that isn't producing reliable crashes in the emulator.
01:26 <+DrDnar> At least Ben's BBC BASIC seems to be going well.
01:26 < TehStorm> that sucks
01:26 < TehStorm> yeah
01:26 <+DrDnar> Holy @*#&$*(!!
01:26 <@chronomex> ???
01:27 <+DrDnar> I have an appvar labeled 'u' and its size is 56806 in RAM. . .
01:27 <+DrDnar> ><
01:27 <@chronomex> whoa
01:27 <+DrDnar> I blame Ben.
01:28 <+DrDnar> Oh yeah, I bet if I find out why my program crashes, I'll fix the apparent memory leak.
01:28 <+DrDnar> I don't even know HOW it's leaking anything!
01:37 < TehStorm> "brandon@radicalsoft.org"
01:37 < TehStorm> hmm I wonder if that email is still valid
01:37 < BrandonW> I wonder that, too.
01:38 < TehStorm> I found it in a readme of one of your old programs
01:39 < TehStorm> Damn, I'd never heard of that programing group but aprently Micheal V was part of it, along with BrandonW of course.
01:40 <@chronomex> you've never heard of radicalsoft?
01:40 <@chronomex> even I have, and I've never used a z80 for more than ten minutes at a stretch!
01:40 < BrandonW> Yeah, Michael won't let it die.
01:40 < BrandonW> Like TCPA, it all sort of became Detached Solutions.
01:41 < TehStorm> Yeah but I wasn't around at that time, by the time I arived on the calculator scene Detached was already in its dead state.
01:42 <+DrDnar> Haha, recent fourm posts on 1/1/70
01:42 <@chronomex> :P
01:42 <@chronomex> that's the sign of an old website
01:42 < BrandonW> It's not dead!
01:42 < BrandonW> It's...just a little slow right now.
01:42 <@chronomex> that's right!
01:43 < TehStorm> Ok its slow state.
01:43 <+DrDnar> Things really have gotten slow these days.
01:43 < TehStorm> But you get the point.
01:43 < BrandonW> I've still yet to release something under the Detached Solutions name.
01:43 < BrandonW> I plan to do it with this contest entry.
01:44 < TehStorm> that would be cool
01:45 < BrandonW> But then again I also planned to do that with periph8x.
01:46 <@chronomex> you know, I think the footer on detached might need to be updated
01:46 <@chronomex> "Detached Solutions is best viewed with Internet Explorer 5.0 at 1024x768 Resolution for optimal performance and appearance. Although the use of Netscape is possible, any version lower than the yet to be released version 6 will load extremely slowly and visually incorrect."
01:46 <@chronomex> just maybe
01:46 < BrandonW> I'd have to agree with you on that.
01:46 < BrandonW> If I had FTP access, I would certainly do some work on it.
01:48 < TehStorm> You only made one 86 program Brandon?
01:48 < TehStorm> I thought you had done more than that
01:48 < BrandonW> Maybe released or uploaded to ticalc.org.
01:48 < TehStorm> Ahh ok what about unreleased, any good ones?
01:48 < BrandonW> Nope.
01:48 < BrandonW> The 83+ is where it's at.
01:48 < TehStorm> ahh ok
01:49 < TehStorm> Nah, the 86 is way cooler.
01:49 < BrandonW> Before the advent of Flash, it was supreme.
01:49  * TehStorm dreams of a day when they make an 86+se
01:49 <@chronomex> dream on
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01:49 < TheStorm> Yeah I know.
01:50 <+DrDnar> I just thought of a new way to torture people who have to work on your code: program in CaMeL cApS in a case-sensitive programming language.
01:51 < TheStorm> lulz
01:51 < TheStorm> lol The 86 page on ticalc says TI-Connect only works on macs.
01:51 < BrandonW> There was a time where that was true.
01:51 < TheStorm> "TI Connect will only work on Mac® computers. "
01:52 < BrandonW> DrDnar, all my ZDS projects are case-sensitive.
01:52 < TheStorm> Oh I'm sure but it still is funny.
01:52 < BrandonW> Makes it a little annoying when you get the case on a BCALL wrong.
01:53 < TheStorm> That really pisses me off hence I usually turn off case sensitivity.
01:53 <+DrDnar> Indeed. Some of the bcalls in LAI28D are listed wrong.
01:54 < TheStorm> When I first saw that I read it as LAID, I was like wtf is LAID.
01:55 <+DrDnar> It was a popular program a while back that got. . . deleted.
01:56 <+DrDnar> That gives me an idea for a joke program.
01:56 < TheStorm> Hmm I should overclock my 86, there is less that can go wrong since the Display is memory mapped 
01:57 < BrandonW> I know nothing about that. Overclocking is stupid.
01:57 < BrandonW> It buys you nothing.
01:57 < BrandonW> It sounds cool because you can do it to computers, but on.
01:57 < BrandonW> no.*
01:57 < BrandonW> It's only going to screw with the OS and programs.
01:58 < BrandonW> A lot of timing was hard-coded then.
01:58 < BrandonW> Because there are no crystal timers or anything.
01:58 <+DrDnar> A lot of timing is still hard-coded.
01:58 < BrandonW> Only there's a solution now.
01:58 <+DrDnar> True.
01:59 < TheStorm> hence you have a switch to enable/disable it
02:00 < BrandonW> It's still silly.
02:00 < TheStorm> and what can go wrong, you can't corrupt the flash chip, and the LCD doesn't need a delay.
02:00 <+DrDnar> And you can't overclock the calc's that do have good timing crystals.
02:01 < BrandonW> I can't speak enough about the hardware to say it'll work, and I don't think you can either.
02:01 < BrandonW> I know it worked on the 82s and 85s because there used to be pages about it.
02:01 < BrandonW> But I don't know on the 86.
02:02 < TheStorm> http://richfiles.solarbotics.net/Turbo86.html
02:03 < BrandonW> Have at it, then.
02:03 < BrandonW> I still say it's silly.
02:05 < TheStorm> Aeah I won't do it unless I aquire an secound 86 somehow, it would be stupid to risk my favorite calc.
02:05 < TheStorm> Yeah*
02:06 < TheStorm> Aoah Kerk Meyer wrote a sybolic like program for the 86, Drool.
02:06 < TheStorm> Woah*
02:08 < BrandonW> Where is this?
02:08 < TheStorm> That guy really was epic.
02:08 < TheStorm> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/74/7403.html
02:08 < BrandonW> Yeah, he was one of the greats.
02:08 < TheStorm> That is an understament
02:08 < BrandonW> You were implying it was called Drool.
02:08 <@chronomex> epsstore.ti.com has TI-89 Titanium USB cables listed for $0.00
02:08 <@chronomex> should I?
02:09 < BrandonW> Hell yes.
02:09  * chronomex orders
02:09 < TheStorm> meh I have like twenty of those anyway
02:09 <@chronomex> hehehe
02:10 < BrandonW> How much are they normally?
02:10 < BrandonW> I don't want to place this order and then get screwed by them.
02:10 < BrandonW> Saying I owe them for the 10 I'm about to buy.
02:10 <@chronomex> I don't know
02:10 <@chronomex> yeah
02:11 <@chronomex> I'm asking for 5 of each, you?
02:11 < BrandonW> Yes.
02:12 < BrandonW> HAHAHAHA, order placed.
02:12 < BrandonW> Awesome.
02:13 <@chronomex> did you have to put in a creditcard?
02:13 < BrandonW> Yes.
02:13 <@chronomex> I wonder how that will work
02:13 < BrandonW> I'll let you know.
02:13 <@chronomex> well, I'll know too
02:14 < TheStorm> I'd care more if they were IO cables.
02:14 <@chronomex> yeah
02:14 <@chronomex> but IO cables are handy
02:14 <@chronomex> to e.g. hack up
02:14 < BrandonW> I have a big bag of those.
02:15 <@chronomex> then why ... ?
02:15 < BrandonW> They were USB.
02:15 <@chronomex> ah, yes
02:15 <@chronomex> and those cost money
02:15 < BrandonW> They had both.
02:16 < BrandonW> Ah, one was just longer.
02:16 < BrandonW> I was in such a rush, I didn't care what they were.
02:16 <@chronomex> ah
02:16 <@chronomex> one is long computer cable, other is short unit cable
02:17 < BrandonW> I can't wait to see what happens.
02:17 <@chronomex> me too :P
02:18 <@chronomex> but damn
02:18 <@chronomex> if it were the TI Presenter ...
02:18 <@chronomex> or god forbid something useful and valuable ...
02:18 <@chronomex> I'd be all over it
02:19 < BrandonW> If it were the TI-Presenter, I'd have bought several.
02:19 <@chronomex> yeah
02:20 <@chronomex> all the USB cables seem to be marked free
02:20 <@chronomex> I think they're all the same database item
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02:29 <@chronomex> but I was actually going to look and see if they have a new AMS
02:29 <@chronomex> probability of that is near zero, so I only look like once a year
02:29 < Nikky> Same
02:29 < Nikky> I think they're still at 3.10
02:29 < Nikky> At least they were when I upgraded a month or so ago
02:30 <@chronomex> ah, no reason to bother finding it then
02:32 < Nikky> Wait, did you have an 89?
02:32 <@chronomex> I have two
02:32 <@chronomex> HW2 and HW4
02:32 < Nikky> Oh, okay.
02:32 <@chronomex> why?
02:33 < Nikky> <3
02:38 < TheStorm> woah he made a screen cpature program before VTIcapture. This stuff is insane
02:38 < BrandonW> Definitely one of the people that made the community what it is.
02:39 < TheStorm> Well this is the same guy who made graph3d so I mean we already know he's epic, but he did some sweet computer side stuff too
02:40 < TheStorm> to bad he never relased the source to Chmasc
02:41 < BrandonW> I'm pretty sure he did.
02:41 < BrandonW> I remember looking at it.
02:41 < BrandonW> Oddly simple.
02:41 < TheStorm> that would be awesome, though I never got it to work with my calc.
02:41 < TheStorm> hmm well it isn't included with the file
02:41 <+DrDnar> I cannot debug what I cannot crash. . .
02:41 < BrandonW> It's a little funky with low-memory conditions.
02:42 < BrandonW> Words of wisdom.
02:42 < TheStorm> And I don't see it in his author profile.
02:42 < BrandonW> Look in 86 assembly source.
02:42 < BrandonW> Sometimes they're separated and not linked.
02:43 < TheStorm> its not there
02:44 < BrandonW> I know I saw it somewhere.
02:45 < TheStorm> I didn't realize ti had DAWG on there site for download, I wonder why they don't hev graph3d there then.
02:46 < TheStorm> have*
02:46 < BrandonW> Because it used to cost money.
02:46 < TheStorm> ahh ok
02:47 < TheStorm> Wait, graph3d wasn't alwasy free?
02:47 < Tari> yes it was
02:47 < Tari> dawg wasn't
02:47 < BrandonW> DAWG wasn't always free.
02:47 < TheStorm> ahh ok
02:49 < Tari> I should charge my laptop
02:49 < TheStorm> yes you should
02:50 < Tari> and now it's plugged in
02:50 < BrandonW> Good lord...finally figured out the sorting thing.
02:50 < BrandonW> Only took all night.
03:00 <@chronomex> BrandonW: what do you do for money?
03:04 < BrandonW> I work for a living, sir.
03:05 <@chronomex> aye
03:06 <@chronomex> Do you care to say what you do?
03:08 < Tari> I bet I could really improve my productivity if I made a habit of running npp with three views open (two source files and one documentation)...
03:11 < BrandonW> I'm a software developer at a call center.
03:11 < BrandonW> Super Bowl's over, by the way.
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03:12 <@chronomex> anybody win?
03:12 < Tari> advertisers
03:12 <@chronomex> point
03:12 < BrandonW> No, actually, nobody won.
03:12 < BrandonW> A first in history.
03:12 <@chronomex> crazy!
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03:24 < BrandonW> I guess the sorting thing is a good enough milestone for tonight.
03:24 < BrandonW> Time to numb my brain with TV shows and movies.
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08:16 <+DrDnar> BrandonW, if you're still up, does the USB hardware generate interrupts at any other time than USB activity?
08:16 <@chronomex> cable insertion/removal, I think
08:18 <+DrDnar> Wikipedia claims the CPU has service the RTC and USB port, and is therefore slower.
08:24 <+DrDnar> The last page of user archive is the same on both the 83SE and the 84SE. So the less memory claim is wrong too.
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12:39 < BrandonW> It does, but is supposed to be stoppable by outputting zero to port 5Bh.
12:49 < TheStorm> What does that port do?
12:50 < TheStorm> I see no documentation on it on Wikiti.
12:53 < TheStorm> Of course Nikky doesn't have the permissions set up correctly on the logs so I can't read them to find out the context of BrandonW's last statment.
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