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[01:43:10] < Nikky> BrandonW: 24 hours, yrah right
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[01:50:35] <+DrDnar> Archive Utility is getting closer to being done.
[01:51:16] <+DrDnar> I think I just need a FlashToRAM bcall and then it'll be able to do appvars and programs
[01:52:50] < Nikky> BrandonW: we're singing you the birthday song
[01:52:53] < Nikky> but you aren't there
[01:57:57] < BrandonW> :(
[01:58:10] < BrandonW> Doesn't my mental well-being concern you more than periph8x?
[01:58:57] < BrandonW> I CAN release it right now if you want, it does everything except actually copy the variables, and the keyboard driver's something to look at.
[02:01:59] < BrandonW> A listing of your calculator variables alone I think is enough to get excited about.
[02:02:12] <+DrDnar> Sounds pretty sweet.
[02:02:18] < Nikky> fine
[02:02:23] < Nikky> i care about your mental well-being more
[02:05:37] < BrandonW> Add a news update that any threats on my life to speed up the release will only delay it more.
[02:05:52] <+Merthsoft> happy birthday, BrandonW 
[02:06:01] < Nikky> your life was threatened?
[02:06:07] < BrandonW> Thanks, Merthsoft.
[02:06:14] < BrandonW> Nikky, no, but it got you excited, didn't it?
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[02:06:35] <+Merthsoft> you're welcome. How old is you?
[02:06:42] < BrandonW> I'm 24.
[02:06:49] <+Merthsoft> damn
[02:06:52] <+DrDnar> Damn.
[02:07:10] < BrandonW> I know, I'm old.
[02:07:14] <+DrDnar> Happy birthday then.
[02:07:39] <+Merthsoft> way old
[02:07:41] <+DrDnar> And I thought I was starting to feel oldish.
[02:07:43] <+Merthsoft> i'm, like, 20
[02:07:47] < Nikky> me too
[02:07:53] < Nikky> and yes, that did get me exciting
[02:07:57] < BrandonW> I'm feeling the love right now.
[02:08:11] <+DrDnar> sorry
[02:08:13]  * Merthsoft bows to his respected elder, BrandonW.
[02:08:23] < BrandonW> I'm not that old. :(
[02:08:29] < BrandonW> I'm going to have a quarter life crisis if you keep this up.
[02:08:50] <+Merthsoft> lol
[02:09:03] <+Merthsoft> this pizza sucks
[02:09:53] < BrandonW> Come on, make me happy and say you want to see a periph8x alpha released as it is.
[02:10:15] <+Tari> I want a periph8x alpha released as it is
[02:10:18] <+Merthsoft> i want to see periph8x alpha released as is
[02:10:28] <+Tari> depite not having an 84 of any sort
[02:10:34] <+Tari> or even an SE of any sort
[02:10:45] <+Merthsoft> i have an 84 of sorts
[02:10:57] < Spence1> what is this, a USB device program?
[02:11:13] < BrandonW> Yeah, it lets you be all sorts of USB peripherals.
[02:11:18] < BrandonW> Like a keyboard, mouse, flash drive...
[02:11:25] < BrandonW> It emulates a FAT16 USB flash drive.
[02:11:50] < BrandonW> And it re-implements the OS' direct USB silent link protocol.
[02:12:02] < BrandonW> With support for receiving unsigned OSes.
[02:12:42] <+DrDnar> And I'm happy my program copied the right number of bytes.
[02:12:57] < Spence1> ah so on your computer the calc would appear as a mass storage device?
[02:13:02] < BrandonW> At the moment, direct USB support is not done, although it can receive an unsigned OS. The keyboard driver works, but the mouse one doesn't, and you can't actually rip 8X* files off the drive, but you can see a directory listing of all the variables.
[02:13:02] < BrandonW> Yes.
[02:13:23] < BrandonW> So it's significant enough to be excited about.
[02:13:40] < Spence1> yeah people with 84s will be ecstatic
[02:13:41] <+Merthsoft> <3
[02:13:47] <+DrDnar> Yeah. BrandonW will have done what TI couldn't: USB linking that actually works, and without a driver noless.
[02:13:50] < Spence1> I've got an 83+ around here somewhere
[02:14:02] < Spence1> haven't done math in a few years
[02:14:13] < BrandonW> Me neither.
[02:14:21] <+Merthsoft> siht
[02:14:23] <+Merthsoft> my calc is at work
[02:15:37] < Nikky> me too
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[02:16:38] < BrandonW> Oh, my TI-82 Stats arrived today.
[02:17:07] <+DrDnar> For some reason, the vars I'm creating have the wrong size, though the right number of bytes are being copied out of the archive.
[02:17:24] <+Tari> are you accounting for the size word?
[02:17:27] <+DrDnar> I'd look up the Stats but that won't happy very fast on dialup
[02:17:59] <+Merthsoft> aww, it won't happy...
[02:18:03] <+DrDnar> I think so. It copies the right number of byte and from the right address.
[02:18:20] <+DrDnar> And to the right address. The variable just seems to get a garbage size.
[02:18:26] <+Tari> pastebin it
[02:19:03] < BrandonW> http://www.datamath.org/Graphing/TI-82_STATS.htm
[02:19:15] <+DrDnar> the source is kinda ugly right now
[02:19:23] <+DrDnar> there's a lot of commented out test code
[02:19:51] <+Merthsoft> that is uuuuuugly
[02:19:59] < BrandonW> Yes.
[02:20:42] < Spence1> it looks like that 82 Stats ROM should work in wabbitemu
[02:21:32] < BrandonW> What makes you say that?
[02:22:01] <+DrDnar> Looks just like the 83+/4. Even has the same menu look.
[02:22:33] <+DrDnar> CPU?
[02:22:44] < Spence1> the hardware looks the same
[02:23:04] <+TheStorm> or similar enough
[02:23:53] < BrandonW> It's more like the newest revisions of the 82 and 83.
[02:24:03] < BrandonW> And of course it has the same menu look, all z80 calculators below the 85 look that way.
[02:24:50] <+Merthsoft> is wabbit emu better than pti?
[02:25:13] < Spence1> well, it supports the 83+SE and 84
[02:25:14] < BrandonW> You're going to get a biased opinion.
[02:25:40] <+Merthsoft> oh
[02:25:43] <+Tari> I use PTI, but I need a functional debugger
[02:26:05] <+DrDnar> The debugger on Wabbit could use some more functionality.
[02:26:07] < Spence1> yeah PTI still gives better hardware info in the debugger
[02:26:27] <+TheStorm> I just wish there was a acreate ti-86 emulator :( 
[02:26:34] <+TheStorm> an*
[02:26:45] <+TheStorm> EMU86 is about the best you get
[02:26:46] <+DrDnar> I'd like to be able to peek and poke at the complete state of the emulated calculator.
[02:27:02] <+Tari> PTI lets you do that
[02:27:08] <+TheStorm> and that's not that great to tell the truth
[02:27:16] < Recursive> I can't see any difference between the 82-Stats and an 83 (aside from the coloration).
[02:27:56] < BrandonW> The 82 and 83 are very different calculators...
[02:28:01] < BrandonW> It's basically an 82, people.
[02:28:44] < Spence1> they're not that different
[02:29:06] < Spence1> we probably don't support all of the 82's hardware
[02:29:19] < Spence1> but you can run TIOS use mostly the 83's hardware
[02:29:35] < BrandonW> I meant the OS.
[02:29:38] < BrandonW> It's more like an 82.
[02:29:55] < Recursive> The 83 and 82 are very similar on the surface, at least.
[02:30:15] < BrandonW> I grew up on the 82 and 83, and I take offense to that.
[02:30:23] < BrandonW> They're like night and day to me.
[02:30:27] < Recursive> OK, so I'm no expert.
[02:30:45] < Spence1> the only thing we do differently on the hardware is the linkport
[02:30:45] <+Merthsoft> i remeber having an 82 and i wanted an 83 sooo badly
[02:31:00] < BrandonW> My first calculator was an 83
[02:31:11] < BrandonW> Other poor bastards in high school had an 82.
[02:32:24] < BrandonW> And then the 83+ came about.
[02:32:29] <+DrDnar> HL has the correct value when CreateProg is called
[02:32:59] < BrandonW> And you skip past the size bytes right after CreateProg?
[02:34:15] <+DrDnar> I put the name in OP1+1
[02:34:44] <+DrDnar> And I call it with HL being the size listed in flash minus the size of the header and VAT entry
[02:34:54] < BrandonW> Do you skip past the size bytes right after calling CreateProg?
[02:35:19] <+DrDnar> Huh?
[02:35:25] < BrandonW> Okay, that's your problem.
[02:35:32] < BrandonW> There are two size bytes at the start of a program's data.
[02:35:37] < BrandonW> You have to skip past them.
[02:35:46] < BrandonW> They'll contain the value you passed in HL.
[02:35:59] < BrandonW> So bcall(_createProg) \ inc de \ inc de Then you can do your copy.
[02:36:59] <+DrDnar> Ahhh. . .
[02:37:03] < BrandonW> If you screw up those two bytes, then the size will be wrong.
[02:37:10] < BrandonW> Had you pasted the code a long time ago, we could've told you that. :)
[02:37:56] <+Tari> it was the first thing I suggested
[02:39:10] <+DrDnar> I just updated the source
[02:39:37] <+DrDnar> http://pws.cablespeed.com/tehblueblur/ti83p/archutil.z80
[02:41:23] <+Merthsoft> what're you making?
[02:41:35] <+DrDnar> Archive undelete program
[02:41:53] <+Merthsoft> say what?
[02:42:02] <+Merthsoft> like, restore a deleted program?
[02:42:09] < Spence1> Hmm as long as it doesn't garbage collect after deleting right?
[02:42:36] <+DrDnar> Yes.
[02:42:54] <+DrDnar> It's like Dan's Archive Recover program, but it actually works.
[02:43:02] < BrandonW> Beat me to it.
[02:43:11] < BrandonW> That was a very useful program, but that was before the 83+SE came out.
[02:43:19] < Spence1> the 86 hardware looks pretty simple here
[02:43:21] < BrandonW> Things have changed since then, and we know more now.
[02:43:30] < Spence1> are the ports documented?
[02:43:39] < BrandonW> Yes.
[02:43:45] <+DrDnar> We found out that the program has been a partian dud all these years--the program only scanned the first sector of flash with data.
[02:44:15] < Spence1> link me up, I'll see if I can get a 86 rom running
[02:47:08] <+DrDnar> Oops, slight bug
[02:47:22] <+DrDnar> I had R on skDiv and M on skMul
[02:48:02] < BrandonW> I don't have a link.
[02:48:05] < BrandonW> I just know it is.
[02:48:12] < BrandonW> Might even be on http://guide.ticalc.org/
[02:48:20] < BrandonW> You can google like the rest of us. :)
[02:48:57] < Spence1> I thought you had something in mind
[02:49:10] <+DrDnar> Now I need to check to make sure it doesn't attemp a lowercase theta and that it rearchives groups
[02:51:18] < BrandonW> Install an error handler around it, and delete the RAM variable if it failed.
[02:51:58] < BrandonW> You'd probably want to do the keyhook-to-skip-the-garbage-collect-message thing, too.
[02:52:17] <+DrDnar> I couldn't find any info on WikiTI on error handlers. And beside, all I needed was cp '[' | jr z, loadLetter
[02:52:22] <+Tari> or page 0 call it :D
[02:52:33] < BrandonW> That's not consistent between OS versions.
[02:52:34] <+DrDnar> I didn't use an edit buffer after all; I made my own routine.
[02:52:43] < BrandonW> Error handlers are simple.
[02:52:52] < BrandonW> ld hl,error_handler \ call APP_PUSH_ERRORH
[02:52:54] <+Tari> TI documented those
[02:52:57] < BrandonW> To take it off, just do call APP_POP_ERRORH
[02:53:03] < BrandonW> Those are 0059h and 005Ch, respectively.
[02:54:42] <+Merthsoft> what does garbage collecting actually do?
[02:54:53] < BrandonW> It "defragments" the user archive.
[02:55:02] < BrandonW> Deleting entries marked as invalid/deleted.
[02:55:07] <+Merthsoft> ah
[02:55:07] < BrandonW> And moving it all to the start.
[02:57:54] <+DrDnar> Okay, it did not correct rearchive the group
[02:59:25] < BrandonW> What did it do?
[02:59:45]  * Tari wonders how difficult it would be implement JFFS2 support in LIFOS :P
[03:02:22] <+DrDnar> I b_call($4FDB) after I copied the data into RAM
[03:02:41] <+DrDnar> which is listed as archiveVar in WikiTI
[03:03:12] <+DrDnar> I replaced that with Arc_Unarc and I got an ERR
[03:04:03] < BrandonW> Arc_Unarc will absolutely not work.
[03:04:10] <+Tari> I don't think it supports archiving groups at all
[03:04:10] < BrandonW> What happened when you did _archiveVar?
[03:04:23] < BrandonW> _archiveVar will archive a RAM variable with type GroupObj, I've done i t.
[03:04:26] <+DrDnar> Nothing. No error. It just. . . didn't archive it.
[03:04:28] < BrandonW> it.*
[03:04:33] <+DrDnar> hmm
[03:04:38] < BrandonW> Nonsense.
[03:04:44] < BrandonW> Step into it in the debugger.
[03:09:16] <+DrDnar> Look at my source near ine 480
[03:10:08] < BrandonW> No line numbers and I'm lazy.
[03:12:07] <+DrDnar> Hmm. Perhaps I'll work on this more to-morrow.
[03:12:23] <+Tari> hurrr
[03:12:56] <+Tari> does the LCD move to the next row upon reaching the end of a row?
[03:19:00] <+Tari> ionFastCopy says yes
[03:20:26] <+Tari> whee
[03:20:29] <+Tari> I need to use af'
[03:32:21] <+DrDnar> Alright. I've updated the source online. Should be stable. To-morrow: List, matrixes, and more.
[03:32:49] <+DrDnar> Also, removing some of the error messages. Maybe I'll replace them with numbers.
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[03:35:38] <+Merthsoft> to-morrow?
[03:35:42] <+Merthsoft> it's one word
[03:36:09] < BrandonW> He's odd like that.
[03:36:14] < BrandonW> Like his ellipses. . .
[03:47:18] <+Merthsoft> I really hate it when people put a space before question marks. Like this ?
[03:56:12] < Recursive> Why ?
[04:13:54] < boxknife> You're supposed to use ellipses with a whitespace on each side of them ... like that.
[04:14:45] < Nikky> hi
[04:17:44] < boxknife> I have an odd habit of removing punctuation marks from my online messages after I write them out
[04:18:19] < boxknife> Like, I typed that previous message out with a period at the end, but removed it before I sent it
[04:20:05] < boxknife> Paying too much attention to that final period seems to put people on the defensive for some reason. It makes what you're saying seem a lot more assertive
[04:20:21] <+Tari> That is does.
[04:20:29] <+Tari> That it does.
[04:20:33] < boxknife> Indeed.
[04:20:34] < boxknife> See?
[04:22:05] < boxknife> It sounds too punctilious. The phrase "Phoney British aspirations" comes to mind
[04:25:32] < boxknife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercorrection
[04:25:53] < boxknife> That article is hilarious.
[04:32:01] < boxknife> I can't remember seeing BrandonW ever miss a period, but he's a god among men and his words are highlighted red in my IRC chat logs
[04:34:44] < boxknife> lol, not really. :P
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[04:44:18] < Nikky> BrandonW is a failbot
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[11:00:09] < BrandonW> When he said I never miss a period, I thought he was calling me a girl.
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[13:46:52] < Nikky> I Never miss a period either
[13:46:55] < Nikky> if you know what I mean ;)
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[16:33:56] <+Merthsoft> BrandonW: You release an alpha yet??
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[23:18:57] <+Merthsoft> Ok, I'm restarting my endeavors into z80 again, today
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[23:20:03] <+Merthsoft> Woot
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[23:20:29] <+Merthsoft> there's actually a pretty descent amount of talk, sometimes
[23:21:06] < benryves> Good to hear. :)
[23:22:28] <+Merthsoft> and given that i'm restarting my ventures through z80-land, it'll be good to have you around
[23:23:07] <+Merthsoft> brass never did work, but spasm works well
[23:24:23] < benryves> Glad to hear you got something working. :) Are you working on any project in particular?
[23:24:36] <+Merthsoft> i'm gonna start with just learning
[23:25:08] <+Merthsoft> i'd like to dive into Dan_E's USB stuff once I understand things
[23:27:06] < benryves> Sounds ace. ;) I should probably get hold of one of those 84+ calcs, I'd like to work with USB and the RTC myself.
[23:27:43] <+Merthsoft> RTC?
[23:28:00] < benryves> Real Time Clock, sorry.
[23:28:30] <+Merthsoft> ah, yeah
[23:29:39] < benryves> BBC BASIC interacts with the clock via a TIME$ pseudo-variable (a string) -- converting from a string to a time is going to be an interesting project in Z80 assembly. :D
[23:30:51] <+Merthsoft> sounds fun
[23:39:48] <+Merthsoft> great, no compiling
[23:51:48] <+Merthsoft> What's everyone use as a text editor?
[23:52:49] < benryves> Programmer's Notepad, or Visual Studio if I double-click a .asm file by accident.
[23:54:20] <+Merthsoft> I've been using Notepad++, but it can run external aplications, and it would be nice if I could do some one-button compliling 
[23:57:30] < benryves> Hm, Programmer's Notepad lets you set up external applications (global and per-file type).
[23:58:05] < benryves> It has a bunch of macros that can be passed as command-line arguments, and can also capture the output of the tool and parse it (using regexps) to retrieve filename and line number information.
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