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01:51 < efneTI92> [JoeYoung] Just a calm day...
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03:42 < TD-Linux> anyone know of a tablet recording program?
03:42 < TD-Linux> that records what I draw on a tablet?
03:42 < TD-Linux> and play back me drawing it at real tie
03:42 < TD-Linux> *time
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04:05  * _Digital is now saturating his line now that he's moved torrenting over to his server
04:06 <@nikky> My internet is faster
04:06 < _Digital> how fast is it?
04:06 <@nikky> faster
04:07 < _Digital> ah, Nikky's flawed sense of resoning
04:07 < _Digital> brb
04:10 < Randomist> Nikky's Internet is clearly over nine thousand.
04:12 < _Digital> kilobits? sure, I'll agre with that
04:23 < _Digital> HDD Total Size: 4640.9GB (94.2% used)
04:24 <@nikky> I don't think I use a TB of space
04:24 <@nikky> I don't really store that much
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04:27 < ItsMeAku> hey, which tetris game can i play someone else using a link cable?
04:27 <@nikky> ztris
04:27 <@nikky> I think
04:27 < Randomist> ZTris.
04:28 < ItsMeAku> hmm trying to find it for ti 84
04:28 < Randomist> TI-83+ version works.
04:28 < ItsMeAku> is it on ticalc?
04:28 < ItsMeAku> .org
04:29 < Randomist> Yah.
04:29 < Randomist> !ticalc search ztris
04:29 < ItsMeAku> found it :)
04:29 < ItsMeAku> thnx
04:30 < Randomist> nikky:  That would not actually be too bad of a feature to implement into the bots. :P
04:30 < ItsMeAku> any other good link games? 
04:30 < Randomist> There was a checkers game...
04:31 <@nikky> We used to have one
04:31 < ItsMeAku> any idea what the name is ?
04:33 <@nikky> no
04:33 <@nikky> What do I look like, an archiver?
04:33 <@nikky> haw haw
04:34 <@nikky> Hmm, what other programs are there that link
04:34 < Randomist> Maybe that should be a category on Ticalc.
04:34 < ItsMeAku> yeah :P
04:35 < ItsMeAku> recommend any games?
04:35 < Jonimus> ItsMeAku: falldown is another good linkgame, and BubbleBobble if you can get it to work
04:36 < ItsMeAku> hmm
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04:38 <@nikky> oh yaeh, Bubblebobble is a good one
04:39 < Jonimus> Some 84+SE's even have it preinstalled
04:39 < Jonimus> though I'm not sure how many there were or if ti still does it
04:41 < Randomist> Can the TI-83- and 4s do math with binary and hex?
04:41 < ItsMeAku> hmm i have a 84+ se
04:41 < ItsMeAku> i dont think i had it
04:41 < Jonimus> Randomist: well with Omnicalc you can do some of it
04:41 < Jonimus> though not everything
04:41 < Jonimus> the 86 and above are better for that
04:42 < ItsMeAku> any regular games ?
04:43 < Randomist> Gemini.
04:43 < Randomist> also, Castlevania.
04:43 < ItsMeAku> aren't those huge?
04:44 < Randomist> They're both RAM-hungry, and might not play if the VAT has grown too large, but they're awesome.
04:46 < ItsMeAku> alright
04:46 < ItsMeAku> thnx
04:50 <@nikky> np
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04:51 < Jonimus> gemini is the best reason to have a regular 83, it has just enough room for gemini and ion
04:53 <@nikky> Gemini is awesome
04:57 < JoeYoung> i played it a good while way back when
05:01 < TD-Linux> too bad it's so huge
05:01 < TD-Linux> won't fit on my SE
05:01 <@nikky> sad
05:03 < Jonimus> TD-Linux: it actually have a better chance on a non SE with fewer vat entries
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05:11  * Randomist is trying to come up with a color scheme that is easy on his eyes.
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05:12 <@nikky> dark grey and purple tings
05:12 <@nikky> tint
05:12 < TD-Linux> Jonimus: exactly
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05:17 <@nikky> zomg
05:17 <@nikky> random play just started "Hydrogen Fun" by Michael Vincent
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06:22 <+glk> Mitnik is on coast to coast now
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08:12 < asmand> E-J: aika hyvä... keittiökomero oli pikkasen masentava, mutta toi olisi kyllä vaihtoehto
08:12 < asmand> E-J: about 200m Emilin päiväkodista :)
08:12 <@E-J> heh
08:13 < tr1p1ea> what colour do smurfs go when you choke them?
08:13 <@E-J> red?
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10:29 < efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
10:34 < nicolas> lo peeps
11:03 < asmand> hi nicolas 
11:03 < asmand> tr1p1ea: anything from ultraviolent to infradead
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12:53 < asmand> http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/17/2010/02/pirate-vs-pay.png
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14:33 < efneTI92> [KermM] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
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16:09 < efneTI92> [KermM] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
16:26 <+jr19> http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=273709 silly
16:26 <+jr19> i understand their intentions, but i dont think they thought hard enough about this
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16:48 <@nikky> jr19: umm, our state has had that for a few years
16:52 <+jr19> so they banned all cell phone usage?
16:54 <+jr19> while driving that is
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17:00 <+jr19> i guess i can deal with having to use a hands free device, but i see texting as a greater danger than talking on the phone...
17:00 <+jr19> i saw some lady putting on mascara this morning while driving to work...
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17:06 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
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17:10 < krisk> yay i recieved my longcat tshirt
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17:11 <+jr19> hopefully it doesnt fit like your jeans
17:11 < krisk> true
17:11 < krisk> i kinda thgought it was my new headphone amp though : (
17:12 <+jr19> heh
17:12 < krisk> i wants it
17:16 < bsparks> The part that gets me about that laptop webcam thing is the school's response. "Well, it was to track the laptops if they were stolen"... There is cheaply available lo-jac software available for OS X
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17:51 < Barrett> it's sad when you google things that you need help on, and your questions on message boards that you posted an hour ago are the first result
17:53 <+jr19> that's generally not a good sign
17:53 < krisk> anyone here a database guru?
17:53 < krisk> like, beyond knowing how to do sql satements
17:54 < krisk> merge , views, clusters, etc
18:03 <+jr19> i know stuff abuot sql but not a lot
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18:11 < krisk> i know plenty to work with it but need someone with insight into views and merged tables and stuff like that
18:11 <+jr19> what do you mean by "merged tables"
18:11 <+jr19> like data joined from different tables?
18:11 < krisk> exactly that
18:11 < krisk> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/merge-storage-engine.html
18:12 < krisk> i know all the syntax well enough, but i need someone who knows what is faster, more efficient, etc
18:12 <+jr19> hm
18:12 <+jr19> i use mssql at work so its a little different i guess
18:12 < krisk> like a db admin or something
18:15 < Barrett> krisk, what's the difference between a view and a merged table?
18:15 < krisk> a view is a (usually passive) selection that you can do further select queries on
18:16 < krisk> a merge is merging tables like a union for further queries
18:17 < Barrett> ah, so actually merging it... I assume that's most commonly used with temporary tables?
18:17 < krisk> it doesnt actually merge them but creates an additional table that is the union of the other ones
18:17 < Barrett> right
18:17 < krisk> without actually duplicating data of course
18:19 < krisk> i think merges are common for datamining tables where you create a lot of subtables with specific names that youll query directly from while having a merged table for large overviews and selections of unique data across the entire datacollection
18:19 < krisk> which is incidentally what were doing and might want to use them for
18:20 < krisk> so there are tables per month that we can quickly generate date-based selections for, but there are identifiers that span across all the tables and selections basedo n those would make much more sense on a merged table or a view or something
18:22 < krisk> it would be nice if i could suggest an efficient and clean solution monday
18:23 < Barrett> how many entries are there "per month' ?
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18:35 < asmand> E-J: I found your name in a readme :)
18:35 < asmand> E-J: TIReport it's called
18:49 < krisk> Barrett: between high 100ks and a few million
18:50 < Barrett> how often are combined report queries run?
18:50 < krisk> combination of realtime statistics and processing scripts that run every 5 minutes
18:52 < Barrett> well, I'm not an expert, but I have used databases quite a bit (I don't branch out very much being the reason I'm not an expert), but with my limited understanding of the situation, I'd run queries on the different tables separately instead of merging them or using a view
18:53 < Barrett> I imagine merge takes time
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18:53 < krisk> yeah but query execution time and maintainability is an issue
18:53 < krisk> some queries need to be done < 0.001 s otherwise theyre shit
18:54 < krisk> the biggest issue i ran into today was that a script that gets called millions of times per week would need to select from 45+ tables just go get an id number for something
18:55 < Barrett> well, merge takes time, and views wouldn't be able to retain a unique identifier for the same data across the different tables
18:56 < Barrett> you could come up with your own indexing system
18:57 < krisk> well right now we have tables split on batch number (0 to 11) year (2 digits) and quarter (up to 3 quarters history are stored)
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18:58 < krisk> so if you want to find a unique id for something you have to select from all 11 batches for each quarter saved for them that might span to the previous year as well
18:58 < krisk> and thats for 1 little number that gets stored in a cookie and nothing more is done with
18:58 < krisk> so stuff gets ugly
18:59 < krisk> and we might need similar structure for IP addresses
18:59 < krisk> which might be 255 tables
18:59 < krisk> and then combine those two
19:00 < Barrett> what's the cardinality of the search criteria?
19:00 < krisk> 1 unique column
19:01 < Barrett> oh... so... millions and millions
19:01 < krisk> jup
19:01 < Barrett> why don't you break the tables up based on that column?
19:01 < Barrett> that way you know where to look
19:02 < krisk> yeah thats what the tables are seperated for now, the problem is when you need to query to figure out what row youre going to look for in further queries
19:02 < krisk> could make some other batches of tables for each unique column but thats just gonna get worse and worse
19:03 < Barrett> well, that can be the difference between O(1) and O(n)
19:03 < krisk> in the final query yes, but not for the queries leading up to it where youre actually looking for the unique identifier to use
19:04 < krisk> unless we split it all up
19:04 < krisk> but thats gonna be a maintenance nightmare
19:04 < krisk> not to mention locking tables and many many scripts constantly using the giant bundle of tables
19:05 < krisk> some of which are realtime and have dozens of users viewing it at a given time
19:05 < Barrett> if they're only viewing, load balancing is pretty easy
19:06 < krisk> yeah some of the viewing isnt realtime now
19:06 < krisk> but a big part is
19:06 < krisk> and cant be seperated for that reason
19:06 < krisk> though serverwise there is plenty of load balancing of course
19:06 < Barrett> sql replication is as good as real time
19:07 < krisk> we use some federated tables but not for the realtime stats i think
19:09 < krisk> my bigggest concern is not having to duplicate data in any way
19:10 < krisk> the date and ip based groups of tables would all contain the same data
19:10 <@E-J> asmand: hmm, sounds bad
19:11 < Barrett> wouldn't they just include an ID?
19:13 < krisk> IDs wont help
19:13 < Barrett> wouldn't they just include enough data to tell the next query which table to look at?
19:13 < Barrett> if so, that's just indexing, and isn't really considered duplication of data
19:13 < Barrett> anyway, I'm off to work
19:13 < Barrett> good luck
19:13 < krisk> thanks
19:14 < Barrett> not that I was much help :)
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19:14 < krisk> eh maybe youve given me some leads
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19:15 < krisk> i think one of the latest mysql versions has support for indexes spanning multiple tables or automatic splitting of tables into batches or whatever, there might something with that we could use
19:18 <+jr19> back
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19:20 < krisk> i am sad there is no olympic weightlifting on the winter olympics
19:20 < krisk> or is there?
19:20 < krisk> olympic weightlifting.. on ice would be ugly
19:21 <+jr19> you mean you dont enjoy men's figure skating
19:21 <+jr19> ?
19:23 < krisk> hmmmm no
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19:29 < krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08omshn2XQ
19:29 < krisk> <3
19:32 <+jr19> you want to love them?
19:39 < krisk> that Maria de la Puente girl, sure
19:40 <+jr19> i couldn't look at the video, i could only see the title
19:49 < Genolo> what would be the best way to share files locally
19:49 < krisk> i made a twitter account
19:49 <+jr19> like between users on a system?
19:50 < Genolo> no like
19:50 < Genolo> i want all my externals hooked up to my desktop
19:50 < Genolo> and be able to access them from my laptop
19:50 <+jr19> Sasha Grey, Stoya, María de la Puente
19:50 <+jr19> stalker
19:51 < krisk> haha
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20:04 < Jonimus> Genolo: samba would most likely be the easiest
20:04 < krisk> bah cant find twitter for my favorite pornstar
20:04 < Jonimus> lol
20:07 <+jr19> who is your favorite
20:07 < krisk> Violet
20:19 <+jr19> http://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/382554112/me-ok-weve-pushed-the-site-live-client
20:20 <+jr19> OPTIMIZE THE FIREBALL
20:20 <@chronomex> HA
20:22 < Jonimus> lol
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20:27 < krisk> hmm twitter needs hidden follows
20:27 <+jr19> being able to see who is following who is half the fun
20:29 < krisk> how do you set favorites?
20:30 < krisk> for something so simple theyve sure managede to make a shitty interface
20:31 <+jr19> i never understood why people got so excited about twitter in the first place
20:33 < krisk> oh i can just unfollow the pornstars and add them to a private list
20:33 < krisk> how retarded is this
20:34 < krisk> might as well press ctrl+d instead of following or adding to lists or whatever
20:37 < krisk> anyway, im looking for a cheap netbook that looks nice and can play full hd movies on an external monitor/tv
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20:45 < krisk> woops
20:47 < DSP_Lord> O_o
20:52 < krisk> hmm it seems the hd capable netbooks are all pretty flawed
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21:20 < asmand> is TiLP the program to use for copying files to the calc?
21:20 < asmand> or is any other used nowadays?
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21:23 < asmand> or should I use ti-connect?
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21:43 <@E-J> asmand: i think both and ti graph link work unless you have some weird system
21:44 <@E-J> asmand: feeling noob again?
21:44 < asmand> E-J: yep
21:44 < asmand> :D
21:44 < asmand> I suppose VTI is still the emu to use
21:45 <@E-J> where are all the young americans who know these things
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21:46 < asmand> heh, exactly :)
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21:46 < efneTI92> [JoeYoung] Just a calm day...
21:46 < asmand> can't even remember if it was ld (_curCol),hl or ld (_curRow),hl that you should use
21:46 < asmand> E-J: lol, quite excellent timing on the joining :D
21:46 < asmand> 23:45 <@E-J> where are all the young americans who know these things
21:47 < asmand> 23:46 -!- JoeYoung [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa
21:47 < SirCmpwn> if you want to load to both curCol and curRow at the same time, use ld (_curCol), hl
21:47 < JoeYoung> Yo.
21:47 < JoeYoung> I'm here. What's up?
21:52 < asmand> I'm "re-learning" asm
21:53 < JoeYoung> Don't care about that, only what I can  be marginally informative about. Whatever E-J was talking about :/
21:53 < asmand> w00t, I made a Hello World!
21:53 < asmand> now, let's see if I can get it sent to the calculator
21:53 < SirCmpwn> congrats
21:54 < SirCmpwn> i wouldnt put it on your calc, i would emulate it
21:54 < asmand> did that :)
21:54 < SirCmpwn> then you are ready for the next step, kemosabe
21:55 < asmand> and tilp crashed
21:56 < JoeYoung> !qadd <asmand> w00t, I made a Hello World! | <asmand> now, let's see if I can get it sent to the calculator | <SirCmpwn> congrats | <SirCmpwn> i wouldnt put it on your calc, i would emulate it | <asmand> did that :) | <SirCmpwn> then you are ready for the next step, kemosabe | <asmand> and tilp crashed
21:56 <@efneTI86> Quote 1689 added
21:57 < JoeYoung> oh wait, huh, does that even make sense?
21:57 < JoeYoung> probably not.
21:57 < JoeYoung> !qdel 1689
21:57 <@efneTI86> Deleted quote 1689
21:57 < BrandonW_> NO CALCULATOR TALK
21:58 < JoeYoung> Why do I randomly get/lose powers?
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21:59 < JoeYoung> Didn't have qdel a month ago, that's for sure >.>
21:59 < BrandonW_> Good/bad behavior.
21:59 < BrandonW_> Don't question it or you'll lose it again.
21:59 < JoeYoung> huh
21:59 < JoeYoung> right
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22:04 < asmand> BrandonW_: wtf? no calc talk in tcpa?
22:05 < JoeYoung> He's BSing you, the rules haven't changed since #ti . If they did they were never specifically stated.
22:06 < BrandonW_> Calculator talk is only encouraged in #ti.
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22:06 < BrandonW_> If you want to deal with the haters, have at it here.
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22:08 < JoeYoung> TI GRAPHING CALCULATOR IRC CHANNELS
22:08 < JoeYoung> #tcpa 
22:08 < JoeYoung> A general discussion channel for TI calculators.
22:08 < JoeYoung> #ti 
22:08 < JoeYoung> A programming oriented channel for TI calculators
22:09 < JoeYoung> !k JoeYoung inb4 !k 4 CAPS and spam :P
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22:09 < BrandonW> #ti is not restricted to programming discussion.
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22:09 < BrandonW> #ti is not restricted to programming discussion.
22:10 < JoeYoung> Of course not.
22:10 < JoeYoung> It's just programming oriented
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22:10 < BrandonW> No, that's just what's been going on lately.
22:10 < BrandonW> If it becomes a problem with other discussion going on, it can move somewhere else, like #tiasm.
22:11 < BrandonW> But that's yet to happen.
22:11 < JoeYoung> Look, we can argue what it does and what it's for all day, but the ticalc site does define the purposes of both channels.
22:11 < JoeYoung> No calculator talk IS actually encouraged in #tcpa :P
22:11 < JoeYoung> GAH
22:11 < BrandonW> Show me a link to that.
22:11 < JoeYoung> *So
22:11 < BrandonW> It likely hasn't been updated in years.
22:11 < BrandonW> If it has, it's just wrong.
22:12 < JoeYoung> Actually, it was updated when #ti when up so :P
22:12 < BrandonW> I will have to bash some heads, when you give me the link.
22:12 < JoeYoung> http://www.ticalc.org/community/irc/
22:12 < JoeYoung> Just as long as mine isn't one of them.
22:15 < sir_lewk> ok how about this:
22:15 < sir_lewk> calculator specific talk is encourage to take place in #ti
22:15 < JoeYoung> Yeah
22:16 < sir_lewk> talk by calculator enthusiates is encouraged to take place in #tcpa
22:16 < JoeYoung> I don't think that means it should be discouraged in #tcpa
22:16 < JoeYoung> :(
22:16 < BrandonW> I consider this channel dead to the calculator world.
22:16 < sir_lewk> obviously general talk is going to include some calc talk with this group of people, but serious/in depth discussions should go to #ti
22:17 < sir_lewk> #ti is the signal, #tcpa is the noise
22:17 < JoeYoung> ^this
22:17 < sir_lewk> I think that any sort of discouragement should be discouraged.
22:18  * sir_lewk kersplodes
22:18  * SirCmpwn gets a mop
22:18  * JoeYoung gets a bucket
22:18 < sir_lewk> that made logical sense to me until about a millisecond after I hit enter ;)
22:18  * SirCmpwn gets condoms - wait, wrong fantasy
22:19 <+jr19> there are no condoms in my fantasies
22:19 < sir_lewk> ...and then I exploded, almost all over my keyboard...
22:19 <+jr19> who catches anything from a fantasy
22:19 < SirCmpwn> jr19: the fantasy is kinda ruined when a kid shows up ;)
22:19 < JoeYoung> X.X
22:20 < sir_lewk> SirCmpwn: you hate children protagonists too?
22:20 <+jr19> wtf
22:20 < SirCmpwn> !kick sir_lewk wtf
22:20 < sir_lewk> wat
22:20 < sir_lewk> stuff like enders game
22:20 < sir_lewk> total crap because the main character is a kid
22:21 < SirCmpwn> we went from fantasies to talking about child protagonists, what do you think was implied about the person who started it?
22:21 < sir_lewk> authors use children protagonists as a cop-out.  allowes them to forgo any real sort of character development.
22:21 < SirCmpwn> enders game has quite an in depth character
22:21 < sir_lewk> bah, the kid doesn't do shit
22:21 < sir_lewk> all of scott cards books follow this formula:
22:22 < sir_lewk> 1) introduce innocent kid in a harsh world
22:22 < sir_lewk> 2) put the kid into newer and more harsh enviroments, often against his will
22:22 < sir_lewk> 3) establish adults as the bad guys
22:22 < sir_lewk> 4) have the child realize what is going on
22:22 < sir_lewk> 5) Publish.
22:23 < SirCmpwn> right...
22:23 < JoeYoung> 6) Become an hero.
22:23 < JoeYoung> 7) ????
22:23 < JoeYoung> 8) PROFIT!!!
22:23 < sir_lewk> bah, hero smerio
22:23 < sir_lewk> he realized he was waging a war without realizing it and was all "oh noes, adults are terrible because they tricked me"
22:24 < JoeYoung> Yeah
22:24 < JoeYoung> dipshit
22:24 < sir_lewk> then in the last handful of pages the book is all "and then he got a spaceship and went places and shit"
22:24 < JoeYoung> the smart thing to do would have meant becoming an hero.
22:24 < sir_lewk> it leaves the actual character development to the imagination of the reader
22:25 < JoeYoung> Hold o... this sounds familiar
22:25 < JoeYoung> like every single video game ever
22:25 < sir_lewk> yeah, it sounds like every single fucking scott card book you ever read
22:25 < JoeYoung> and that too
22:25 < sir_lewk> also a good deal like harry potter, though not exactly
22:25 < sir_lewk> harry potter also uses the child protagonist cop-out, but with less of an "adults are evil" theme
22:25 < asmand> I've forgotten so much...
22:25 < JoeYoung> Meh, back in the day, I rather liked Harry Potter.
22:26 < sir_lewk> more of an "adults are dumb" theme though
22:26 < JoeYoung> Enough that I had to at least finish the series.
22:26 < sir_lewk> JoeYoung: same, I stopped after the 4th though
22:26 < JoeYoung> In any case, it's over. So let's fucking forget that wizard forever.
22:26 < sir_lewk> harry potter is fine literature for kids or young adults, but it's not on the same level as real stuff
22:27 < JoeYoung> Karma is a bitch, though, so it'd probably end up in english literature books of the future.
22:27 < sir_lewk> it should also be stated that I don't think tolkien was a very good author either, though for different reasons
22:27 < sir_lewk> actually no, he was a good author, but a poor storyteller
22:28 < JoeYoung> I think it was because he tried to adopt a new and different style.
22:28 < sir_lewk> JoeYoung: hopefully draconian copyright laws will do some good for once and prevent that ;)
22:28 < JoeYoung> lol
22:29 < sir_lewk> it was excellent writing from a technical perspective, but the flow and pacing was wrong for effective story telling, at least for a broad audiance.  of course he may have never intended it to be read by the general public so that'd be a mute point.
22:30 < sir_lewk> let it be stated though, that small hobbits is a superb way of getting the benifits of child progagonists without being a character development copout
22:31 < sir_lewk> benifits of small progagonists mainly establishing a connection with the reader, so that they are not the only ones being dwarfed by larger than life stories.
22:32 < sir_lewk> *are mainly
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22:34 < JoeYoung> we could technically call fellowoship the first codex XD
22:35 < sir_lewk> hmm?
22:36 < sir_lewk> not sure what you mean by codex there
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22:43 <@Andy_J> ok so those laptops DO have webcam lights
22:44 < bsparks> Andy_J, indeed
22:44 <@Andy_J> ... because they're macbooks
22:44 < bsparks> But the major flaw I see is that there is readily available lo-jac software for OS X
22:44 < bsparks> that can track the laptop by IP every time it gets online
22:45 < bsparks> Sooooooooooo, the school is gettin their asses sued off >_>
22:45 <@Andy_J> no, not the school
22:45 <@Andy_J> the idiots behind it
22:45 <@Andy_J> you don't sue the school on behalf of the taxpayers that pay for the school
22:45 < bsparks> True
22:46 <@Andy_J> because only the lawyers win in that
22:46 < bsparks> So the vice principal, possibly principal, super intendant probably. and the schools IT department 
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23:33 < asmand> alright, I got the TI-86 to cause my Canon 1000D to focus and take a photo
23:33 < asmand> quite nice :)
23:34 < asmand> time to make the ultimate camera management software for the ti-86 :D
23:34 < asmand> tomorrow, or some other time that is
23:34 < asmand> bedtime now
23:35 < SirCmpwn> cya
23:36 < JoeYoung> ZOMG guys check out this twilight fanfic i fond it wuz uber!!111!!11
23:36 < JoeYoung> http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5277800/1/Ponglight
23:40 < asmand> hmm... why me no op?
23:44 < JoeYoung> ¯\(°_o)/¯
23:45 < i_c-Y> !k JoeYoung being absurd.
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