--- Log opened Sat Feb 13 00:00:54 2010
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00:25 < sir_lewk> the luge guy died I hear :/
00:26 <@nikky> Si
00:26 < sir_lewk> :\
00:26 < JoeYoung> luge?
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00:29 < Randomist> Jonimus:  Did you ever work out how to make the HDA Analyzer changes permanent?
00:29 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Neff] by efneTI81
00:29 < Jonimus> no I never looked into it
00:29 < Jonimus> maybe ask in #alsa on freenode
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01:17 < linkmaste> Is seconds the highest possible precision for the TI-84+ SE clock? I'm trying to make a timer that is precise to the hundredth, and with startTmr and checkTmr(), I am only able to get seconds.
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01:23 < JoeYoung> I fucking love peaches-n-cream oatmeal
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01:32 < sir_lewk> why is Tahben leaving us?
01:33 < sir_lewk> also, did you know spam is an execellent surfing wax?
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01:42 <@BrandonW> linkmaste, with the clock hardware, yes.
01:42 <@BrandonW> The timer hardware is more accurate.
01:42 <@BrandonW> Those tokens do use the timer hardware.
01:42 <@BrandonW> So I guess yes, but not in BASIC.
01:43 <@BrandonW> Are you sure that's seconds?
01:43 <@BrandonW> How about that, I guess so.
01:43 <@BrandonW> I just woke up, I have no idea. :)
01:44 < linkmaste> Okay, so it's possible, but not in BASIC. Thanks. :)
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02:05 <+Neff> BrandonW do you know how to set up an eggdrop so users can telnet into it?
02:07 < sir_lewk> erm
02:07 < sir_lewk> 1) you should never use telnet.  use ssh
02:07 < Randomist> Yah.
02:07 < sir_lewk> 2) you would be ssh'ing into the server running the eggdrop
02:08 < sir_lewk> 3) you really should not be letting users ssh into a machine unless you know exactly what you are doing, and have a damned good reason
02:09 < sir_lewk> telnet is incredibly unsecure, it transmits passwords, and payload, in the clear
02:09 <@nikky> Yay telnet!
02:09 < sir_lewk> nikky: YOU WOULD
02:09 <@chronomex> sir_lewk: exactly, DCC is much better
02:10 < sir_lewk> I'm not familar with what the goal is in this case
02:10 < sir_lewk> is it to transfer files?
02:11 < sir_lewk> if the user just needs to interact with the eggdrop.. they can do that over irc
02:13 < sir_lewk> is there even a telnet equivalent of scp?
02:13 < sir_lewk> ftp I guess
02:13 < sir_lewk> more or less
02:13 < i_c-Y> rcp?
02:13 < sir_lewk> well that would be the rsh equivalent right?
02:14 < i_c-Y> no, rsh -> ssh
02:14 < i_c-Y> rcp -> scp
02:14 < sir_lewk> right
02:14 < sir_lewk> but rsh != telnet
02:15 <@nikky> Love me some ftp
02:15 < sir_lewk> ssh and scp are related, rsh and rcp are related, I guess telnet and ftp go together, kinda
02:15 < sir_lewk> telnet < rsh < ssh
02:16 < sir_lewk> anonymous ftp is fine and all, provided you know what you're doing when you configure it
02:16 < sir_lewk> as with anything
02:16 < i_c-Y> anyhow, not all telnet is insecure.
02:16 < i_c-Y> you can set it up with encryption and what not.
02:17 < sir_lewk> does it actually do a proper key exchange and stuff?
02:18 < sir_lewk> my understanding was that rsh was basically telnet but encrypted, though with a poor key exchange
02:19 < sir_lewk> "As described in the rlogin article, the rsh protocol is not secure for network use, because it sends unencrypted information over the network, among other reasons. Some implementations also authenticate by sending unencrypted passwords over the network." *shrug*
02:19 < i_c-Y> look on the IETF website or something for all the details. when telnet is configured properly, it is pretty secure.
02:20 < sir_lewk> eh
02:20 < sir_lewk> unless you are running something like nethack.alt.org, I really don't see a reason anyone should use telnet instead of ssh
02:22 < sir_lewk> international education fairs of turkey?
02:22 < sir_lewk> my google-fu is weak today
02:24 < i_c-Y> there are plenty of other reasons to keep telnet around - ask IBM. but thats a side point - for most puropses, ssh is a better choice than ssh.
02:25 < sir_lewk> I mean, if you encrypted your telnet session with a symmetric key cipher like AES, and exchanged the keys securely using something like diffie-hellman, then you could be relatively secure
02:25 < sir_lewk> but then you basically just reinvented ssh :)
02:27 < i_c-Y> you're missing note that SSH doesnt have all of telnet's features. 
02:27 < i_c-Y> to note*
02:29 < sir_lewk> sure, but if you are just using it as a remote shell, then ssh is the way to do
02:29 < sir_lewk> *go
02:29 < sir_lewk> if you're using telnet as a analysis tool or whatever then fine
02:30 < sir_lewk> or local administration of home routers, crap like that
02:30 < sir_lewk> even that is pushing it though
02:31 < i_c-Y> if you want to administer a mainframe, ssh isnt going to cut it.
02:31 < i_c-Y> ghostbusters and ghostbusters II are on hulu
02:31 < sir_lewk> mainframes are so 1980
02:32 < Jonimus> i_c-Y: what does telnet do that makes it better for that?
02:33 < sir_lewk> I'm guessing something other then establish a remote shell session
02:33 < i_c-Y> Jonimus: because telnet works and ssh doesnt.
02:34 < sir_lewk> is there a good reason, other then "IBM doesn't ship ssh servers on mainframes"?
02:34 < i_c-Y> md geist is also on hulu
02:35 < i_c-Y> theres more to that. pickup a manual if you want the details.
02:35 < sir_lewk> I'll pass
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02:38 < sir_lewk> we are an entire freaking decade into the 21st century.  not using strong encryption while remotely administering machines is braindead
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02:38 < sir_lewk> if it's not possible in certain circumstances, then the people who designed that system are the braindead ones, not nessecarily the operators themselves
02:42 < i_c-Y> they arent just using plain telnet - theres encryption and what not. and seeing as the systems that have been using this have been around longer than you and will probably be around for atleast a few decades more...
02:42 < i_c-Y> its necessary.
02:42 < i_c-Y> also, kite is on hulu
02:42 < i_c-Y> i have no idea why.
02:42 < i_c-Y> but thats definately not right
02:42 < i_c-Y> Tahben: why are you leaving irc
02:42 < sir_lewk> without a proper key exchange it's worthless, if there is one, then I don't care
02:43 < sir_lewk> I'm still calling it braindead though.
02:43 < sir_lewk> yes Tahben, why are you leaving in two weeks?
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02:56 < i_c-Y> Barrett: lance bass
02:56 < i_c-Y> Inspiron Zino HD
02:56 < i_c-Y> look at it
02:56 < i_c-Y> its the size of a mini
02:58 < i_c-Y> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=19&oc=DDPHUC1&x=14&y=17 and looks to be about the price range you're going to get for building a machine that small anyway
03:13  * Randomist waves from Cloud Nine.
03:19 < i_c-Y> hahowdy
03:21  * Randomist finally has control over himself in this state.
03:21 < Randomist> At least, for the most part.
03:21 < Randomist> Still feels a bit schitzophrenic-ish.
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03:23 < i_c-Y> theres a simple solution
03:23 < i_c-Y> 1. buy duct tape
03:24 < i_c-Y> 2. get someone to tape you to the ceiling upside down for a day or 2
03:24 < i_c-Y> 3. make them tape your mouth too
03:24 < i_c-Y> 4. wait 2 days
03:24 < i_c-Y> and then you'll be normal
03:25 < Randomist> Meh.
03:25 < Randomist> Define "normal," to begin with.
03:25 < JoeYoung> Dead.
03:26 < JoeYoung> A large majority of persons that existed have died.
03:26 < JoeYoung> You won't stick out.
03:28 < i_c-Y> JoeYoung++
03:31 < Randomist> Good point.
03:32 <@chronomex> i_c-Y: that sounds like fun
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03:48  * Randomist goes off to try to draw.
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03:52 < i_c-Y> Netham45: you're a furfag. is http://ds.ign.com/articles/106/1068409p1.html furry heaven?
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03:58 < incubus> NEW POKEMON?
03:58 < incubus> YES!!!
04:00 < sir_lewk> gimbal lock
04:00 < sir_lewk> that is fun to say
04:00 < sir_lewk> if you ever need to form some technobabal for people, throw in the phrase "gimbal lock"
04:04 < JoeYoung> hey
04:04 < JoeYoung> someone help this person
04:04 < sir_lewk> why is some company deciding to draw a new fake animal considered news?
04:04 < JoeYoung> http://www.unitedti.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9254&hl=
04:04 < JoeYoung> I can't be bothered to do it myself
04:04 < incubus> sir_lewk, what if I'm actually im gimbal lock
04:04 < JoeYoung> sir_lewk, because of the hundred-thousand people who'll shell out money for it.
04:05 < sir_lewk> weak
04:05 < JoeYoung> But undeniable.
04:05 < JoeYoung> They're just hyping it up right now.
04:06 < sir_lewk> JoeYoung: that person is unhelpable
04:07 < JoeYoung> Yeah. That was pretty much my opinion.
04:07 < sir_lewk> they need to larn how to use their operating system.  outside the scope of a calculator site
04:07 < i_c-Y> ill probably play the new pokmeon
04:07 < i_c-Y> games
04:08 < JoeYoung> I will too. Though the announcement kinda steals the thunder from american HG/SS releases.
04:08 < i_c-Y> yeah.. i dunno ifi ill play heart gold / soul silver
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04:08 < JoeYoung> I like some of the features in it, and I haven't played the original GSC in a while
04:09 < JoeYoung> So I'll probably go for it, at least through the story mode.
04:10 < i_c-Y> GSC waas fun.
04:10 < JoeYoung> hmm
04:10 < JoeYoung> The design of the 5th gen fox is kinda ridiculous.
04:11 < SirCmpwn> not to tear you away from your ever important conversation, but has anyone here been through college?
04:12 < JoeYoung> But then again, I thought the same thing about 3rd gen Pellipper, and that ne was awesome.
04:12 < JoeYoung> **** you, SirCmpwn 
04:12 < JoeYoung> You coulda been a bit more graceful with that first statement.
04:13 < SirCmpwn> sorry, but i had no idea what was being discussed.  im not very good with the whole politically correct thing
04:13 < i_c-Y> a lot of people are in oollege or have graduated.
04:13 < i_c-Y> in here
04:13 < JoeYoung> BS
04:13 < sir_lewk> SirCmpwn: some of us are quite old
04:13 < JoeYoung> "not to tear you away from your ever important conversation"  <--- that just leaks implied sarcasm
04:13 < sir_lewk> glk is old and very wise for example
04:13 < i_c-Y> andy, brandon ej all have atleast bachelors
04:14 < SirCmpwn> JoeYoung: :P take from it what you like
04:14 < sir_lewk> I am in my 3rd year of college
04:14 < i_c-Y> glk has a physics degree
04:14 < i_c-Y> ports has a masters 
04:14 < i_c-Y> KermM is  amasters student ish
04:14 < JoeYoung> In any case, I'm probably one of the younger members here, I don't start college for a few months
04:14 < i_c-Y> nikky is 12
04:14 < millinao> i am 12 and what is this
04:15 < i_c-Y> liar
04:15 < i_c-Y> you're 13
04:15 < millinao> 3 years ago i was 13
04:15 < SirCmpwn> i am looking for: NOT in colorado, has a good tech program, has a marching band (most important factor), and preferably has a ASL program
04:15 < bsparks> I'm 7 and 3 eights 
04:15 < JoeYoung> So you're a liar, millinao ?
04:15 < millinao> yes
04:15 < Netham45> lol
04:15 < JoeYoung> Hmm.
04:15 < Netham45> don't like colorado?
04:15 < i_c-Y> he doesnt want to be near you
04:15 < millinao> but yeah, nikky's the youngest here, still in 7th grade
04:15 < SirCmpwn> i know the people here, and i want to get the hell away
04:16 < SirCmpwn> im a junior
04:16 < JoeYoung> Obviously.
04:16 < SirCmpwn> I know people who dont start thinking about college until they are super seniors
04:17 < SirCmpwn> so... suggestions?  represent for your college, people!
04:17 < JoeYoung> I didn't start thinking about college till about Novemeber. 3 weeks later I was lucky enough to be accepted AND get a scholarship.
04:17 < JoeYoung> So I really can't relate.
04:18 <@nikky> Spengo: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/02/12/two-men-arrested-for-shooting-a-beautiful-lighthouse
04:18 < SirCmpwn> i have to pay most of my way through college because my *cough* lovely *cough* mother blew all my savings getting her masters degree _after_ she was in a well paying, comfortable career, so i need options
04:18 < SirCmpwn> *cheap* options
04:19 <@nikky> SirCmpwn: University of Washington
04:19 < millinao> community college
04:19 <@nikky> Excellent CSE program and marching band
04:19 <@nikky> I hear they even high step!
04:19 < SirCmpwn> nikky: arent you like, 12?  that was recently discussed.  and i would *love* to be in washington over any other place
04:19 < millinao> nikky, how's the premed at UW
04:20 <@nikky> Well, great.
04:20 < SirCmpwn> and i prefer modern marching styles ;)
04:20 <@nikky> Best med school in the nation
04:20 < millinao> orly
04:20 <@nikky> You mean, lazy and boring marching styles?
04:20 <@nikky> rly
04:20 < millinao> if uw has a good music dept i'm set
04:20 < JoeYoung> I can only hope after four years of college I can sit around in #tcpa and actually know what the hell people are talking about.
04:20 <@nikky> It's pretty sweet too
04:20 < incubus> nikky, I found your Science Fair Project: http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1266033713616.jpg
04:21 <@nikky> At least, music school is hard to get into
04:21 < SirCmpwn> nikky: lazy?  LAZY?
04:21 <@nikky> Yes
04:21 < incubus> 10th grade must have been a bitch
04:21 < JoeYoung> Yes
04:21 <@nikky> oh look at us, we can lift our feet up 2 inches in sync
04:21 <@nikky> CAN IZ LEET NAO
04:21 < JoeYoung> I've seen videotapes of when my dad was in his college marching band.
04:22 < incubus> lol is this gay time?
04:22 < JoeYoung> It was pretty amazing
04:22 <@nikky> sweet
04:22 < SirCmpwn> We keep our knees straight and focus on epic music and awesome formations, so you can suck my clarinet
04:22 < millinao> the music admissions for cello doesn't look that bad
04:22 <@nikky> ooo, clarinet
04:22 < JoeYoung> No thnx
04:22 < incubus> Marching Band is why I quit band
04:22 < incubus> Explain to me how Marching = Music
04:22 < incubus> I'll wait.
04:22 <@nikky> It isn't, really
04:23 < SirCmpwn> why are music videos made?
04:23 < incubus> ? wtf
04:23 < Netham45> music is repetative rythmic motions, marchng is repetative and rythmic
04:23 <@nikky> It's dancing with some random music
04:23 <@nikky> er, random nois
04:23 < incubus> At my school, you marched, or you gtfo
04:24 < SirCmpwn> at my school, the marching band is *envied.*  everyone wants to be one of us, which is rare that normal people want to join a nerd group
04:24 < incubus> LOL
04:24 < incubus> lmfao
04:24  * incubus screams with laughter
04:24 < incubus> hahahahahah
04:24 < incubus> Envied, haaaaaaaahahah
04:24 < millinao> wait, if there's only a marching band for band.. how the fuck do you play oboe or flute or clarinet
04:24 < millinao> or any woodwind for that matter
04:24 < incubus> millinao, wha?
04:25 < incubus> You can march with all of those
04:25 < SirCmpwn> millinao: ???????
04:25 < millinao> I thought marching bands were only brass
04:25 < millinao> am I severly wrong
04:25 < SirCmpwn> those are drum corps, duh
04:25 < TD-Linux> yes
04:25 < JoeYoung> SirCmpwn, for someone who hates everyone they know, you sure whore out on your marching band a bit.
04:25 < TD-Linux> winds and percussion as well
04:26 < millinao> well, fuck me
04:26 < SirCmpwn> JoeYoung: ?
04:27 < JoeYoung> As far as college goes, SirCmpwn, you really need to do your own research to find the best fit.
04:27 < SirCmpwn> alright, i have been, but i have way too many requirements >.< and its taking a while
04:27 <@nikky> I suggest avoiding any school that isn't next ao the pacific ocean
04:28 < incubus> millinao, you are grossly wrong
04:28 < SirCmpwn> im trying to avoid the atlantic, cause everything there smells
04:28 <@nikky> You're not just wrong
04:28 < millinao> maybe that's only my high school then, i don't know shit about marching bands
04:28 <@nikky> You're GROSSLY WRONG
04:28 <@nikky> ...?
04:28 < incubus> you're Nikky wrong
04:28 < incubus> :)
04:29 < SirCmpwn> my marching band is the most awesome group of people to walk the earth ;)
04:30 < millinao> cool
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04:31 < SirCmpwn> the common phrase is, "whenever anything is happening, people are in the band room.  whenever nothings happening, people are in the band room.  when the band room is locked, people are in the band hall"
04:31 <@efneTI86> Boo
04:31 < JoeYoung> hah!
04:31 < JoeYoung> So much for common
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05:29 < JoeYoung> I'm experimenting with html and free web hosting services.
05:29 < JoeYoung> So far it's pretty sweet, see as this is my first time.
05:30 < SirCmpwn> first time with html?
05:30 < SirCmpwn> wow
05:30 < JoeYoung> Not my first time with html, I've been doing that a long time.
05:31 < JoeYoung> But I never used a hosting service on my own before. There was never really a need to, but I figured it's good to get familiar in case it's relevant one day.
05:31 < DrDnar> Now all you need to learn is CSS, PHP, SQL, and a fifteen other acronyms.
05:32 < JoeYoung> I'm familiar with some PHP, but scant all else.
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05:32 < DrDnar> PHP: Project Hosted Profitably
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05:50 < JoeYoung> I just had an interesting and earnest discussion with a chinese user on online censorship and moderation.
05:50  * Randomist is dividing localhost by zero point negative three -- three?  What, no... um... eight degrees, Fahrenheit.  And then we have our code on the side to the left... [static noise] ...want to wait for that signal...
05:50 < JoeYoung> Which means I really learned pretty much nothing yet confirmed what I've already heard.
05:51 < DrDnar> They have Internet in China? I thought that was propaganda. </sarcasm>
05:51 < JoeYoung> :/
05:51 < Randomist> What hast thou learned of the said censorship with tax for the history of the inablity to speak freely?
05:52 < JoeYoung> That it REALLY REALLY sucks.
05:52 < JoeYoung> And that he was very clever at portraying that feeling by not outright saying it.
05:53 < Randomist> Hm.
05:53 < JoeYoung> And apparently certain dialects of mandarin can slip through filters
05:53 < JoeYoung> That was the only new info I've heard.
05:53 < Randomist> Don't they still have TOR?
05:53 < DrDnar> I love the Mao. I love the Mao. I love the Mao.
05:54 < JoeYoung> i THINK they do, but we really didn't talk about it
05:54 < DrDnar> Mao is godliness. . . .
05:55 < DrDnar> Are they forced to get Mayo with every sandwich?
05:55 < DrDnar> (This is where you hurt me.)
05:55 < Randomist> Stab, stab, stab, stab, stabs.
05:55 < Randomist> Or something like that.
05:56 < JoeYoung> In communist China, I think you're lucky if you could even get mayo in many places
05:56 < JoeYoung> And even then, it might end up being "Mayonaise of the People's Republic"
05:56 < DrDnar> Ohh! Like "freedom fries"?
05:57 < Randomist> When you get mayo from the street, you have to be sure you're getting mayo and not mustard.
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05:57 < Randomist> But it'd raise thre price.
05:58 < Randomist> Also, some chicken strips and bar-b-que sause would be quite nice right now.
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06:00  * Randomist kernel.add(plunger);
06:02 < Randomist> Hm, I should write a program now.
06:03 < millinao> make an overly ambitious mmo and post jobs for it on craigslist and rentacoder
06:05  * Randomist goes off to try to keep a realistic perception of time.
06:05 < millinao> i heard a clock is a good tool to use for that
06:06 < Randomist> I see that, but a minute is taking longer than a minute normally takes.
06:06 < millinao> then stop being high
06:07 < i_c-Y> or relativistic motion.
06:08 < JoeYoung> I hate it when my perception of time changes while I listen to music.
06:11 < Barrett> i_c-Y, wow, that's... pretty good
06:12 < DrDnar> x86 is far more complicated than Z80
06:12 < Randomist> "Relevistic" motion is "cential" to the -- to the -- um... threoy of thermody--yes--thermodynamics.
06:12 < DrDnar> I'm going to miss conditional calls.
06:12 < Randomist> Aslo, z80 is awesome.
06:12 < Randomist> Just throwing that out there.  [Twiddles thumbs.]
06:14 < Barrett> i_c-Y, why is it so inexpensive?
06:14 < Randomist> Because it is not Apple
06:14 < Randomist> Clearly.
06:15 < JoeYoung> I'm lost
06:15 < Randomist> The path is not found but can be located at the top-right of the `trace` output.
06:17 < Randomist> Tehy're all sleep.
06:17 < Dan_E> Math question coding language is now Turing complete.  Only requires a name, now.
06:17 < DrDnar> That's amazing.
06:18 < Randomist> DrDnar: Cosine
06:18 < DrDnar> TCMQL: Turing-Complete Math Question Language.
06:18 < Dan_E> I'm having trouble figuring how to pronounce that.
06:19 < Dan_E> It's sounding too much like tickle me elmo
06:19 < DrDnar> In-ter-cal?
06:19 < Randomist> [High-pitch voice]  Ah-hee-hee-hee ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
06:19 < Randomist> Creepy.  [Cringes.]
06:20 < DrDnar> ". . . the Turing-Complete Math Question Language, or SUSAN, . . . "
06:20 < Randomist> Too many Susans on the Internets.
06:20 < Dan_E> It can be susan, that's fine with me.
06:20 < Randomist> Sutan!
06:20 < Randomist> :P
06:20 < Randomist> Oh, wait...
06:20 < DrDnar> I just pulled a word out no where. . .
06:20 < DrDnar> And apparently I did it again.
06:21 < Randomist> You're like the Great Random Word Magician.
06:23 < Spengo> what's a fun nes snes game that has 2 player and is not mario or donkey kong
06:23 < Dan_E> Bubble Bobble
06:24 < JoeYoung> Duck Hunt?
06:24 < Randomist> I was going to say "Metroid," and then you said "two player."
06:24 < Spengo> Randomist, yeah
06:24 < JoeYoung> NES kinda sucks
06:24 < Spengo> snes is fine too
06:24 < Spengo> or genesis
06:24 < Randomist> JoeYoung:  Don't hate.
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06:24 < Randomist> An IRC server has fallen
06:24 < JoeYoung> I don't hate, it just doesn't compare anymore.
06:24 < DrDnar> .
06:25  * Randomist tosses the missing "." in its place.
06:25 < Spengo> so no one knows then
06:25 < JoeYoung> Also, I can't think of many great 2 player games
06:25 < Spengo> I know
06:25 < Randomist> Obtain a bunch of games, and play until you find some things you like.
06:25 < Dan_E> Look, Bubble Bobble is 100 levels of 2 player fun.
06:25 < Randomist> Eulators for the win!
06:25 < Randomist> Actually, I think I meant, "Emulators."
06:25 < Spengo> not like bubble bobble, like something with a goal that you can get to
06:26 < Dan_E> You get to the Drunk on level 100.
06:26 < Dan_E> And you rescue your girlfriends.
06:26 < JoeYoung> Bad Dudes was multiplayer IIRC
06:26 < Dan_E> Those are important goals.
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06:26 < JoeYoung> You got to rescue the president
06:27 < Dan_E> Marble Madness.  Tecmo Super Bowl.  Pinbot.
06:27 < DrDnar> Is wbinvd an unprivileged instruction?
06:28 < JoeYoung> ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO RESCUE THE PRESIDENT!?
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06:28 < DrDnar> wbinvd sounds like a perfectly logical way to make a delay loop. . . .
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09:54 < Spengo> wtf
09:54 <@chronomex> ?
09:54 < Spengo> how come the doctor always dies in stargate shows
09:54 < Spengo> and not at big battles or anything, just some random episode in the middle of a season
09:54 < Spengo> sorry stargate, this is old hat, you cannot make me sad about this :V
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11:42 < efneTI92> [KermM] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
12:41 < krisk> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/827601/ef98cc85/stephen_colbert_over_nederlanders.html
12:41 < krisk> lol
13:36 <@E-J> that sausageone looks delicious
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15:26 < Andi666> anybody with some nspire experience here?
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16:51  * Randomist waves.
16:53  * Randomist also appologizes for any strangeness between 12 Feb 2010 @ 2100 CST and 13 Feb 2010 @ 0030 CST.
16:59 < i_c-Y> ...
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17:09 < Andi666> second try ;-) is now someone with nspire experience here?
17:10 < Randomist> Already tried in #ti?
17:11 < Andi666> yes, but some hours ago
17:20 < i_c-Y> BrandonW has one
17:20 < i_c-Y> chronomex is a halfbreed with the devil so he may know too.
17:21 < i_c-Y> and the nspire is pretty dumb so you could ask Netham45 and Randomist as well.
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17:28 < sir_lewk> haha
17:28 < sir_lewk> what's blue and orange and swings from a tree?
17:29 < sir_lewk> my nspire, and I'll paint it whichever color I like.
17:29 < i_c-Y> haha.
17:30 < Andi666> ;)
17:30 <@nikky> A CAS user at that
17:30 <@nikky> I don't think Brandon has that one
17:30 <@nikky> Duncan has a prototype CAS
17:31 < Andi666> does anyone know how to input some variables in ti basic for the nspire?
17:32 < Andi666> i'm not looking for the silly bracket definition method ;-)
17:32 < i_c-Y> did you rtfm?
17:32 < Andi666> haha
17:32 < Andi666> did you?
17:32 < i_c-Y> i have no reason to. 
17:32 < i_c-Y> i have a real calculator: a HP 50G
17:33 < Andi666> ;-) 0:1
17:33 <@nikky> They probably provided a flimsy 4 page manual
17:33 <@nikky> http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareList.do?website=US&tabId=2&paneId=6002
17:33 < i_c-Y> i dont know why i find ti 's education page so funny
17:33 < i_c-Y> they have like random people doing headstands or playing tennis
17:33 < i_c-Y> the only person who does that with a calculator on them is BrandonW 
17:34 < i_c-Y> he's sleeping with the calculators right now
17:35 <@nikky> http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_nspire_navigator.html
17:35 < Andi666> wtf? who needs this?
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17:36 < Andi666> i have 'read' all nspire manuals ti publicated..... they are really not good for "problem" out of the line
17:36 <@nikky> http://www.vernier.com/calc/ti-nspire/navigator.html
17:38 < Andi666> isn't there a way like "input:=..." in the nspire basic?
17:41 < Dan_E> "Getting user input on the Nspire is rather difficult and highly limited. The main problem is that the only I/O command is Disp. Unlike the TI-83 series or 68k, the Nspire doesn't have Input, Prompt, or getKey. "
17:42 < Andi666> nor with the "newer" os?
17:43 < Dan_E> I do vaguely remember hearing that such a capability had been added or was planned to be added.
17:43 < Dan_E> But I don't know the latest on that.
17:45 < Andi666> i tried the up to date version (downloaded yesterday) but unfortunately i wasn't able to get a input, prompt oder getkey working...
17:45 < Andi666> :(
17:52 < Dan_E> " I am guessing that 1.8 will be coming soon.  If anybody has information that they are allowed to share I would appreciate knowing  Personally, I am hoping that they finally add the "Input" command."
17:52 < Dan_E> That was posted a couple weeks ago, so it sounds like the current version doesn't have Input.
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17:54 < Andi666> i also hope so, the current programming capabilities arent worth anything without this phenomenons "feature" :(
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18:18 < efneTI92> [bsparks] http://www.facebook.com/pages/twenty-one-pilots/98049191147 shameless plug of an awesome local band.
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18:59 < Spengo> http://www.joystiq.com/2010/02/02/you-cant-unsee-bomberman-in-bioshock-2/
18:59 < Spengo> ha
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19:05 < sir_lewk> littering reduces your carbon footprint.
19:05 < i_c-Y> how so
19:06 < sir_lewk> sequesters carbon
19:06 < sir_lewk> works best with things that will never biodegrate, like plastic
19:06 < sir_lewk> also works fine with paper though
19:06 < sir_lewk> actually, works best with paper
19:06 < i_c-Y> flow is free today on psn
19:07 < sir_lewk> when you throw away paper instead of recycling it, the paper industry is forced to plant more tries, sequestering more co2
19:08 < sir_lewk> recycling paper requires energy, which means more co2.  making paper also requires energy, but it also involves planting and cutting down trees, which helps offset the cost of making the paper
19:08 < sir_lewk> when you recycle, old native americans cry.
19:08 < sir_lewk> ponder that, while I go enjoy some delicious pizza.
19:12 < asmand> how cool is this: http://www.instructables.com/id/Turn-a-TI-Graphing-Calculator-into-an-Intervalomet/
19:13 <@nikky> ooo
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19:24 <@nikky> hmm
19:25 <@nikky> the 89 code on a 350D
19:25 <@nikky> seems to make the focus on a lens very slowly increment
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19:28 < efneTI92> [bsparks] http://www.facebook.com/pages/twenty-one-pilots/98049191147 shameless plug of an awesome local band.
19:31 < asmand> nikky: need to set it to manual focus
19:33 <@nikky> derp
19:33 <@nikky> maybe i should read the directions
19:34 <@E-J> that's always good solution
19:36 <@nikky> now it worked once
19:36 < asmand> can't find how to activate the link port on the 86
19:36 < asmand> can't find my manual :P
19:36 <@nikky> lsame
19:37 < sir_lewk> that is very cool asmand
19:37 < Dan_E> There are current a few hundred people running past my window in their underwear.  Hmm...
19:38 <@E-J> asmand: http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&tabId=2&appId=6127
19:39 <@E-J> Dan_E: maybe they heard that there is snowless spot somewhere?
19:41 < Dan_E> Figured it out (I knew twitter was good for something.).  Apparently you pay $25, run around the US Capitol in your underwear for a while, then get drinks for the rest of the night.  
19:44 <@nikky> yay twitter!
19:46 < asmand> hmpf
19:46 < asmand> just got it to focus
19:46 < asmand> not take a pic
19:52 < asmand> now to try with the 89
19:57 < sir_lewk> huh
19:57 < sir_lewk> wait, you are focusing your camera with a calculator?
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20:00 < sir_lewk> "14:28 < efneTI92> [bsparks] http://www.facebook.com/pages/twenty-one-pilots/98049191147 shameless plug of an awesome local band." that seems quite pointless.  if it's a local band, then it is highly unlikely anyone here will ever have the chance to support them.
20:00 < sir_lewk> I ate too much pizza, now I feel ill
20:01 < asmand> HAH! Got it to work!
20:01 < asmand> sir_lewk: nah, just triggering auto-focus
20:01 < asmand> but it took a pic with the 89 ::)
20:11 < bsparks> sir_lewk, they have an album on iTunes and CD Baby :)
20:15 < sir_lewk> ah :)
20:15 < sir_lewk> cd baby is pretty cool
20:16 < asmand> I need a multimeter to see how the voltage/signal length are different for the 89 and 86... 
20:16 < sir_lewk> asmand: plug it into your soundcard and use gnu radio
20:17 < sir_lewk> I was messing around with it the other day, it works great
20:17 < sir_lewk> http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95/stuff/83+_receiving.png for example
20:18 < sir_lewk> http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95/stuff/83+_idle.png poor man's osciliscope
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20:21 < sir_lewk> (if you are on linux) `/usr/share/gnuradio/examples/audio/audio_fft.py`
20:21 < bsparks> I wish I could find like, all the covers of songs, anytime I wanted
20:21 < asmand> darn, just have my short ti-ti cable
20:22 < sir_lewk> that is what I used, but with my 2.5mm to 3.5mm jack converter that I picked up for about a buck
20:23 < sir_lewk> you could splice something together too I'm sure
20:23 < sir_lewk> actually I used my longer ti-ti cable, that came with my black serial link, but same thing
20:26 < sir_lewk> the black serial links are worth getting, if only for the long ti-ti cables
20:29 <@E-J> asmand: don't you have long ti-ti cable, at least i got one when i bought ti-86 at 1998
20:32 < bsparks> I just got a really cheap 3.5 Male to 3.5 Male stereo headphone cable and 2 3.5mm to 2.5mm adapters 
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20:32 < bsparks> I could link calcs across a 60ft cable, if need be :)
20:33 < asmand> E-J: I have three long ti-ti cables
20:33 < asmand> or I've had
20:34 < asmand> some of them have been cut up for various experiments :P
20:34 <@E-J> i think my longest 3.5mm cable is just 5m or 2m
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20:42 < Jonimus> bsparks: except the signal loss would kill you
20:43 < bsparks> Jonimus, ehh
20:43 < Jonimus> over 60ft I'd bet you'd have issues
20:43 < Jonimus> maybe not thought
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20:57 < Genolo> http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1266092457066.jpg
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21:18 < i_c-Y> harro Tahben 
21:18 < Tahben> sup?
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21:32 < Jonimus> Hey Tahben, hows life been going for ya?
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21:40 <@E-J> http://i46.tinypic.com/2im58pw.jpg
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21:46 < i_c-Y> i cant read them with my eyes stretched.
21:53 <@E-J> i read them with screwing up my eyes
21:58 < i_c-Y> what does it say?
21:59 < Randomist> "Bad Eyes."
21:59 < Randomist> Too easy.
22:00  * Randomist resumes drawing.
22:01 < Jonimus> sadly I get why that works too :/
22:01 < Randomist> How's it supposed to work?  I just saw "Bad eyes" the first time I looked at it.
22:02 < Jonimus> when you do the thing with your fingers it blurs the lines making the blocks look flat
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22:46 < i_c-Y> making the most of your time with us?
22:48 < sir_lewk> I still don't know why she is leaving
22:48 < sir_lewk> nobody ever leaves #tcpa, we are a way of life
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22:51 < i_c-Y> IRC is more addicting than crack
22:52 < i_c-Y> you know, they give IRC clients to thsoe whoare comming off hard core drug addictions
22:52 < i_c-Y> so they wont relapse
22:56 < i_c-Y> well, i suppose she had it comming when he didnt wear a condom.
23:00 < sir_lewk> lol
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23:09 < i_c-Y> nsist on aNcondom.
23:13 <@_Auron_> o.O
23:13 < i_c-Y> nsist on nvidia, kinda like that.
23:14 < i_c-Y> except there are exceptions to that
23:14 < i_c-Y> ie when AMD has better cheaper cards.
23:14 <@_Auron_> I'm an ATI fan
23:14 < i_c-Y> you're also a loser.
23:14 < i_c-Y> so its okay.
23:14 < Randomist> AMD/ATi is okay.
23:14 < i_c-Y> look at your allies.
23:14 < i_c-Y> go back to desoldering your IGP, Randomist 
23:15 <@E-J> ati ftw
23:15 <@_Auron_> E-J++
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23:24 < i_c-Y> hi
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23:37 < critor> hi Goplat
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23:46 < sir_lewk> ati vs nvidia is dumb, who has the better/cheaper cards changes from year to year
23:47 < JoeYoung> I was always a fan on nvidia myself.
23:49 < sir_lewk> see, that is silly
23:50 < sir_lewk> because sometimes ati has the better cards
23:50 < Jonimus> sir_lewk: but crappy drivers
23:50 < sir_lewk> meh, depends who you are
23:50 < Jonimus> my one issue with ATI is their driver coders don't seem as good
23:50 < JoeYoung> sometimes it does.
23:50 <@Andy_J> I've never liked ATI's drivers
23:50 < Jonimus> but yeah their hardware is the better bang for the buck
23:50 <@Andy_J> and I've had no problems getting nvidia to work
23:51 <@Andy_J> and have had no problems with nvidia in general
23:51 < JoeYoung> But i dunno, nvidia has never ever given me trouble. I'm not saying ati isn't good but I don't see a reason to switch loyalties.
23:52 < Jonimus> I've only had issues with their drivers on my laptop but I was using modded drivers so it really wasn't the fault of ati
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