--- Log opened Mon Jan 18 00:00:05 2010
--- Day changed Mon Jan 18 2010
00:00 < Jonimus> _Auron_: if USCC get that phone I migth buy it hehe
00:00 <+ports-> jr19, the second game is going strong today
00:00 < Barrett> are they making a phone?  this website looks like ebooks
00:00 < Barrett> readers
00:01 <+jr19> doesnt look like they're making a phone
00:01 <+ports-> Barrett, those calculations are stupid
00:01 < Barrett> huh?
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00:02 <+ports-> Barrett, ticket prices are easily $4 higher now for Avatar than when Titanic came out
00:02 < Barrett> well, there's also an adjusted for inflation chart
00:02 < Barrett> and maybe an estimated number of tickets table somewhere
00:02 <+ports-> cool i didnt see that
00:02 < Barrett> Titanic is #6 adjusted for inflation
00:03 < Barrett> http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
00:03 <+ports-> yeah
00:03 <+ports-> Avatar isn't on that list yet
00:03 < _Auron_> Jonimus: it's not a phone
00:03 < Jonimus> oh ok
00:03 < _Auron_> it's an ebook/netbook
00:03 < Barrett> well, this one seems to be domestic only
00:03 < Barrett> it's #36
00:03 < Jonimus> well then I'm even more likely to get it
00:03 <+ports-> 6 	Titanic 	Par. 	$943,342,300 	$600,788,188 	1997
00:03 < Jonimus> I could use an ebook reader, though I have been looking at the nook which is also android based
00:04 < _Auron_> well
00:04 < Jonimus> http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
00:04 < Barrett> yeah, that's domestic
00:04 <+ports-> Avatar is at $492 million domestic.
00:04 < _Auron_> nook has e-ink screen with tiny color screen at the bottom
00:04 <+jr19> BrandonW: why is there nothing at http://brandonw.net/calculators/OS2/
00:04 < KermM> floodsauce
00:04 < Barrett> 36 Avatar Fox $498,482,300 $491,767,000 2009 
00:04 <+ports-> it's catching up pretty quickly though
00:04 < _Auron_> entourage edge has two full screens
00:04 <@nikky> avatar sucked
00:04 < _Auron_> avatar ruled
00:04 < Jonimus> _Auron_: really, hmm cool
00:04 < _Auron_> I want to see him again
00:04 <+ports-> _Auron_, isnt the kindle E-ink also?
00:04 < _Auron_> Jonimus: http://entourageedge.com/devices/entourage-edge.html
00:04 < _Auron_> yeah
00:05 < _Auron_> but its screen isn't touchscreen
00:05 < _Auron_> both screens on the edge are touchscreen
00:05 < Jonimus> ohh nice
00:05 < Jonimus> that does look like a nice device
00:05 < bsparks> I can not imagine owning that device _Auron_ :\
00:05 < Jonimus> bsparks: I could
00:06 <+krisk> imagine what avatar may have grossed in a few years
00:06 < Jonimus> if it has decent battery life and such I may get it
00:06 < Jonimus> though the price is a little high for my likes atm
00:07 < Barrett> well, this is telling: http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/  scroll down to "second weekends, third weekends, fourth weekends, etc"
00:07 < bsparks> I can't imagine it has a very good battery, but maybe it does, I also can picture it weighing more than a dictionary 
00:07 < Barrett> avatar is beating titanic each weekend that it has existed
00:07 < Jonimus> I could by a netbook + extened battery for that
00:07 <+krisk> any idea when itll be out on bluray?
00:08 <+ports-> jr19, i bought that weight set from walmart
00:08 < Genolo> what the fuck does 1080p look like
00:08 < Genolo> to me 720p looks godly
00:08 <+jr19> ports-: what is it again
00:08 < Jonimus> lol Genolo it depends on you screen
00:08 < Genolo> yeah
00:08 < bsparks> Jonimus, I can picture it being good if the colour screen is multitouch, the battery can last more than the 16h they say it should, and it drops in price 
00:08 < Genolo> i have stuff in 1080p but i'm pretty sure my screen doesn't output it in that quality
00:09 < Jonimus> Genolo: well what res is your screen
00:09 < geekboy> lol
00:09 <+ports-> jr19, the description on walmart.com wasnt what it was in store
00:09 < Genolo> jonimus: not exactly sure
00:09 <+jr19> alright
00:09 < Jonimus> bsparks: 16hr is pretty beasty, multitouch would be all I need
00:09  * geekboy loves his screen on his laptop its 1400x<what ever the other val is XD>
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00:10 <+jr19> what is it like 40lbs worth of weights
00:10 <+ports-> jr19, http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00618601000P?vName=Fitness+&psid=SHOPZILLA01&sName=Weight+Benches&cName=Strength&sid=IDx20070921x00003c
00:10 < bsparks> Jonimus, read carefully, 16h for reading. I am guessing that means not doing _anything_ remotely close to heavy lifting.
00:10 < Randomist> geekboy:  Twelve hundred?
00:10 < geekboy> Genolo if it was the one runnign arch b4(when u showed a a vn) id ay 1024x728
00:10 <+krisk> acer aspire 8920 has 18.5" 1980*1080 display
00:10 <+krisk> wooo
00:10 <+ports-> 4 2.5 lbs.  4 7.5 lbs.   bars + clips.  for $20 .. vinyl weights
00:10 < geekboy> Randomist yeah around there
00:10 < bsparks> Jonimus, Battery Life: 16+ hours utilizing the e-reader screen / up to 6 hours running the LCD screen
00:10 < Genolo> geekboy this is the new laptop
00:10 < Genolo> the res looks the same though
00:10 <+krisk> anyway, goodnight
00:11 < Jonimus> bsparks: hmm yeah, I think Tari can get like 8 with his Aspire one and the extened battery
00:11 <+ports-> jr19, the one on walmart.com says its ceent ewights.. but the ones i got in the store are vinyl weights.
00:11 <+jr19> see ya krisk 
00:11 <+krisk> imma go dream of blue peopls in trees
00:11 < Randomist> "Da-ba-dee-da-ba-die."
00:11 <+krisk> and light emitting plants
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00:11 < bsparks> Jonimus, my HP mini gets like, 5 to 6 on just the stock battery
00:11 < Jonimus> for a lower cost too, though no eink display
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00:11 <+jr19> i'd really like a netbook
00:11 <+ports-> jr19, why?
00:11 <+ports-> you have a pretty good laptop
00:12 <+jr19> yeah that i can only use when its connected to a cord
00:12  * geekboy has a crappy dell c800
00:12 < Jonimus> bsparks: nice, does that thing have the ION in it or stock intel graphics?
00:12 < _Auron_> they're very small and convenient for travel
00:12 < bsparks> I'm also concerned about the entourage being able to be used as a laptop form factor Jonimus. 
00:12 <+ports-> jr19, true.. how much is a new battery
00:12 < _Auron_> and have insane battery life
00:12 < bsparks> Jonimus, UMA I think
00:12 <+jr19> probably too much
00:12 < Randomist> If the Internet is for porn, does this make netbooks pornbooks?
00:12 <+jr19> a netbook would be a nice new toy for me to play with too
00:13 < bsparks> oh, Jonimus GMA950
00:13 <+ports-> jr19, dont get a netbook.. get that new laptop i want.
00:13 <+jr19> no
00:13 <+ports-> jr19, aluminum hp with 13.3" lcd.. no dvd burner
00:13 <+jr19> i dont care about your opinion
00:13 <+ports-> bullshit
00:13 <+ports-> I'm going to take my pills and make you go away
00:14 <+jr19> SSDs seem neat to me
00:14 <+jr19> but i need to do more research
00:15  * Randomist thinks netbooks are a fad and a smart way for money to be made by selling epicly-underpowered hardware with a cute name.
00:15 < bsparks> Randomist, hey, $200 bought me a nice small laptop that I can take anywhere, I am happy
00:15 < i_c-Y> the only laptop worth owning is my Lenovo R61.
00:16 < bsparks> it's hard to find really portable computers for $200, uless you go the iPod Touch/Zune HD route
00:16 < i_c-Y> note that its mine.
00:16 <+Netham45> Lenovo makes good laptops
00:16 < bsparks> _Auron_, so your game is gonna ship on every Entourage eDGe?
00:17 < E-J> only problem with lenovo's laptops are that fn is in wrong place
00:17 <+Netham45> no, that's the problem with all other laptops.
00:17 <+ports-> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=12526885
00:17 < i_c-Y> Netham45++
00:17 < i_c-Y> i can't believe i just did that.
00:17 < bsparks> fn goes between Super key and Ctrl
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00:18 <+Netham45> I prefer it on the other side of ctrl
00:19 < E-J> i'm so used to thing that ctrl is most left button that it annoys when there is something else
00:19 < bsparks> I think that screws with my default hand motions on a keyboard, because ctrl should always be the left and rightmost keys on the bottom row
00:19 < bsparks> and alt always is right next to the spacebar
00:20 < E-J> i don't use alt much, altgr maybe sometimes but not alt
00:20 < Randomist> Mine is in [Control] [Function] [Super] [Alt] [Space] [RAlt] [Menu] [RControl] order.
00:20 < bsparks> E-J, on US keyboards all Alt's were created equal after some time in the mid 90's
00:20 < Randomist> [RAlt] is [Compose].
00:21 < E-J> bsparks: yeah, but do you have any chars in places where you should use altgr?
00:21 < bsparks> E-J, not entirely sure I understand you?
00:22 < Randomist> E-J / bsparks:  Don't you use [Option]-something as the [Compose] key on Macs to get those fangled international characters?
00:23 < DrDnar> Anyone know of some evil code that can crash a JVM?
00:23 < bsparks> Randomist, yeah, is that what the altgr key is usually used for? 
00:23 < Randomist> DrDnar:  `killall -9 java`
00:23 < E-J> bsparks: http://www.saunalahti.fi/janij/blog/images/2008_jun_finnish_keyboard_layout.png all the blue marks are made by altgr-button
00:23 < E-J> all though i have altgr-5 as ‰
00:24 < bsparks> ok, so in OS X alt/opt is really altgr 
00:24 < DrDnar> E-J: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard
00:25 <+ports-> http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/17/asus-dr-570-e-reader-to-sport-6-inch-oled-color-screen-122-hour/
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00:27 < DrDnar> Clearly there needs to be a keyboard with so many control and shift keys that you can type full Unicode without an IME.
00:27 < bsparks> though, I guess alt is as much a text modifier for me as it is a command modifier 
00:28 <+jr19> hmm i didnt even know lenovo made netbooks
00:28 < bsparks> and I really need to do something about Stainless.app stealing focus from X-Chat, this is getting annoying.
00:29 <+ports-> they make a slick smartbook
00:29 < i_c-Y> solution: get rid of OS X.
00:30 < Randomist> DrDnar:  That'd be great for people who also want to map everything to the keyboard.
00:30 < Randomist> No mouse usage ever again!  :P
00:30 < Randomist> (Except for games, of course.)
00:30 < DrDnar> It'll have ten modifier keys for each of your fingers and you'll type with your nose.
00:33 < Randomist> The iUnicode.
00:33 < E-J> bsparks: my current keyboard layout is about this http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/nappis.gif where things are made with shift, altgr and shift+altgr
00:33 < DrDnar> No, no, you use your nose, not your eye!
00:34 <+ports-> wait
00:34 <+ports-> why cant tablets just come with laser keyboards?
00:35 <+ports-> http://reviews.cnet.com/pda-accessories/vkb-bluetooth-virtual-keyboard/4505-6460_7-31293682.html?tag=txt%3bpage
00:36 < Randomist> It's friggin' 2010, and we still don't have mind-controlled HIDs in every home yet to replace our current ones.  :P
00:37 <+ports-> the laser keyboard was a cool idea.. it just didnt get marketed wwell and it was super expensive.
00:37 < Randomist> This makes Future Cat disappointed.
00:37 <+ports-> but imagine... you could project ANY keyboard layout you wanted..
00:38 < i_c-Y> Randomist: would you really want that?
00:38 < Jonimus> ports-: even cooler if you could change on the fly
00:39 < i_c-Y> think a dirty thought, and it goes to a dirty website
00:39 <+ports-> Jonimus, id imagine if it was implemented well.. itd just be integrated into the tablet.. like a webcam etc.. and you would get config options
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00:48 <+jr19> id like perfect meals in pill form so i could avoid eating sometimes to make time for other things
00:48 <+jr19> because im a notoriously slow eater
00:48 < bsparks> mmm, open faced roast beef sandwich
00:49 <+ports-> jr19, why dont you eat faster
00:49 <@nikky> THE POWER OF PERL COMPELLS YOU
00:49 <+jr19> i cant
00:49 < Jonimus> lol
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00:49 <+ports-> jr19, stomach cramps?
00:50 <+jr19> no i just dont eat fast
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00:50 < Randomist> Is the subwoofer port supposed to be facing the wall?
00:50 < Randomist> Or does it really even matter?
00:50 <+ports-> you said cant.. so i thought you had a reason
00:50 <+jr19> half my friends eat as fast as they can it seems
00:50 <+ports-> Randomist, i actually point my subwoofer into the wall/corner..
00:51 < i_c-Y> Randomist: take a hammer and hit it really hard.
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00:53 <+jr19> my mom is bitching about paypal fees, she wont shut up
00:53 <+ports-> jr19, for her bidness?
00:54 <+jr19> well for the stuff she sells to her cross stitching friends
00:54 <+ports-> yeah
00:54 <+ports-> they charge like 3%
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00:54 < _Auron_> OH NO NOT 3%
00:54 <+ports-> thats why i gave shadow $7 instead of $6 for shipping me that phone
00:55 <+jr19> ok
00:55 <+ports-> _Auron_, they changed their fee structure recently.. it might be more now
00:56 <+jr19> is it free to make a business account on paypal?
00:56 < _Auron_> I thought it was more like 8%
00:56 <+ports-> jr19, its free to have the account as far as i know
00:56 <+ports-> they just charge you per transaction.
00:56 <+ports-> _Auron_, maybe.. i heard it went up
00:57 <+jr19> hmmm
00:57 <+ports-> 	1.9% to 2.9% + $0.30 USD
00:58 <+jr19> i dont use paypal for much anymore anyway
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00:59 <+jr19> i have some extra money from krisk in there
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01:00 <+ports-> jr19, i use it to buy stuff
01:01 <+jr19> i never buy anything
01:01 <+jr19> except diapers and butt wipes
01:02 <+jr19> did you install midpssh on your phone yet
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01:03 <+ports-> no
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01:03 <+jr19> weak
01:04 <+ports-> i dont have too much of a use for it
01:04 <+ports-> im too busy when im in the office
01:04 <+ports-> or im not alone
01:04 <+ports-> and i dont want people to just assume im texting
01:05 <+jr19> it keeps me busy when im somewhere that i dont have a computer
01:05 <+ports-> does Qik work on the Tour?
01:05 <+jr19> no
01:06 <+ports-> why not
01:06 <+jr19> theres no download for it
01:06 <+ports-> sure there is
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01:06 <+ports-> all the modern BB's use the same download it looked like
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01:06 <+ports-> all the links went to the same file
01:07  * Randomist steals your aposthrophe.
01:07 <+jr19> it downloaded and installed but didnt work
01:07 <+ports-> it downloads and installs on mine.. but says it cant find the viewfinder
01:07 <+ports-> probably a 5.0 issue
01:08 <+jr19> i dont think it even gets that far on mine, i uninstalled it though
01:08 <+ports-> Jets win.. yikes.. first close playoff game
01:08 <+ports-> and just as everyone predicted... Min vs NO in the NFC
01:10 <+jr19> yeah the jets are lucky, playing against a couple of teams that rested their players at the end of the season to get in
01:10 <+jr19> now they're in the afc championship
01:11 <+ports-> yeah
01:11 <+ports-> but the Colts wont rest anyone this time :)
01:12 <+jr19> yeah well the colts defense isnt exactly mindblowing
01:13 <+ports-> i see Colts vs Saints in the Superbowl... and Saints win
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01:14 < millinao> i'm baaaaack
01:15 <+jr19> wb
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01:25 <+ports-> hi
01:25 <+ports-> jr19, i might buy that new laptop next month
01:32 <+ports-> jr19, oceans 13 is on again
01:33 < bsparks> 5.5 hours, and we're still installing dependancies! Wooo~ 
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01:51 < bsparks> this program better be like, the best thing in the entire world
01:53 <+ports-> jr19, the weights are concrete filled, with a plastic housing.. meh
01:57  * Randomist locked himself out of his room, and to avoid having to pay to get his room unlocked, devised a cunning plan that involved blasting his music via SSH from the lobby and getting someone to else to lock themselves out.
01:58 < Randomist> And it worked.  :P
01:58 < Jonimus> wait how did that get someone else to lock themselves out?
01:59 < Randomist> It didn't.
01:59 < Randomist> His roommate just hid somewhere with the key while the other guy pretended his door was locked.
01:59 <+ports-> wait
01:59 <+ports-> so how does that get your door unlocked?
01:59 <+ports-> they came in to turn off the loud music?
02:00 < Randomist> Yes.
02:00 <+ports-> k
02:00 < Randomist> And I swooped in.
02:00 <+ports-> how did you turn up your music via ssh?
02:00 < Randomist> `alsamixer`.
02:00 <+ports-> hmm
02:00 <+ports-> my computer outputs to my stereo system... which has its own power button
02:00 <+ports-> so id be screwed
02:01 < Randomist> Mine does, too.  But the stereo is left on maximum often, so when I turn it up with ALSA, you can hear it booming in the lobby.
02:01 <+ports-> oh cool
02:01 < Jonimus> lol nice Randomist 
02:01 <+ports-> Randomist, how much do they charge to unlock the room
02:02 < Randomist> Five dollars.
02:02 <+ports-> ah
02:02 <+ports-> when i was an RA.. we had to unlock for free
02:02 <+ports-> i wish i had some string
02:03 <+ports-> i need a way to make sure something is level
02:04 < bsparks> and string does this how?
02:04 < Randomist> string="level";
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02:04 <+ports-> use the string to make a 3 pointed plum-bob
02:05 < Randomist> something=string; print(someting);  //level
02:05 < bsparks> a golf ball is easier 
02:05 <+ports-> bsparks, how does a golf ball help you put a corkboard on the wall, level?
02:06 < bsparks> You didn't say WHAT you wanted level;
02:06 <+ports-> i'm not checking for a roll.
02:06 <+ports-> you could do that with a pen too
02:07 < bsparks> a golf ball does 2 dimensions at once, and is more sensitive 
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02:11 < AndIrc> 24 is on in less than an hour!
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02:12 <+doc_who> its only 2112 here
02:12 <+ports-> Andy_J, its on now here
02:12 < bsparks> taaaaab FAIL
02:12 < Randomist> *Screaming hysterically, manically:*  Oh my Gawd!  Twenty-Four1ONE!!1!1!
02:12 <+ports-> barrett, even
02:12 <@Andy_J> tab fail indeed
02:13 <+ports-> i hate mounting things on the wall
02:13 < Randomist> http://therobotcoop.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/lg_tab.jpg Fail.
02:13 < barrett> I like this keyboard
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02:14 < barrett> but this irc program makes me close it every time I type
02:15 < barrett> I don't understand that picture
02:15 < E-J> [04:12:11]  <doc_who> its only 2112 here
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02:16 < bsparks> Barrett, he was saying "tab fail" in the most retarded way possible
02:16 < Barrett> most random way! haar haar
02:18 < Randomist> I dropped a bed on my server.
02:18 < Barrett> what is this crap?i want 24
02:19 < Barrett> randomist, you should get a vps
02:19 < Randomist> Server still works.  Just has a nice little dent in the non-important side, now.  :P
02:20 < Randomist> Also, I have http://wintervenom.mine.nu and http://wintervenom.brandonw.net to put stuff.
02:20 <+doc_who> http://www.gametrailers.com/video/debut-trailer-muscle-march/59623
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02:38 < DrDnar> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
02:38 < Jonimus> who is this Weegee?
02:38 < Jonimus> I don't remember him at all yet he has +v?
02:39 < bsparks> !seen *84.dyn.centurytel.net
02:39 <@efneTI86> I found 5 matches to your query (sorted): Weegee Weegeee Weeg|Away Weegee[Aw Weeegeee. Weegee (~Weegee@207-119-228-84.dyn.centurytel.net) was last seen joining #tcpa 10 minutes ago. Weegee is still on #tcpa.
02:39 < bsparks> thanks 86, helpful
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02:40 <@chronomex> bsparks: I think 5, not sure exactly
02:41 < E-J> !lastspoke Weegee 
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02:42 < bsparks> 86 continues to be helful as always
02:42 < bsparks> *helpful
02:43 < E-J> he has said hello at 28.12.2009
02:43 < bsparks> odd person indeed
02:44 < Jonimus> hehe, yeah it still seems odd that he has voice
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02:51 <@efneTI92> [Tyler2] I no longer speak fluent dialup.
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03:03 <@BrandonW> jr19: there's nothing on that site because I broke the Trac page somehow, and I have little to no motivation to fix it.
03:05 <+jr19> ah ok, i was just wondering since i was looking over it...
03:07 <@BrandonW> Son of a motherhumper, I forgot to record 24.
03:09 <@BrandonW> _Digital, help me out.
03:13 <@BrandonW> When it finishes airing, apparently.
03:20 < i_c-Y> BrandonW can has torrentz?
03:20 <@BrandonW> Public torrents don't have it same-day.
03:21 <@BrandonW> I just got back from The Book of Eli, by the way, which I enjoyed.
03:21 <+Netham45> I want to see that movie
03:21 <@BrandonW> Which is saying something, because I usually don't enjoy anything anymore.
03:21 <@BrandonW> Nothing I go to the theater for, anyway.
03:22 < i_c-Y> you miserable old man.
03:22 <@Andy_J> never mind it won't start airing for _Digital for an hour and a half still
03:23 <@BrandonW> I have a friend that might get me the TVTorrents one, whenever it comes out.
03:23 < Jonimus> hey who was it in here that was offering to help write linux drivers for the Nspire?
03:24 <+Netham45> Jonimus, calc84 was talking about it a couple minutes ago
03:25 < Jonimus> yeah I know, I though millinao or someone with kernel hacking experience had said something
03:25 < Jonimus> I'm talking to Calc84 in another chan about it atm
03:25 < millinao> why meeee
03:25 < millinao> I honestly don't know shit about calcs
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03:26 < Jonimus> millinao: was it you?
03:26 < millinao> no
03:26 < Jonimus> ok darn
03:26 < Jonimus> damn
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03:27 <+ports-> has anyone seen the movie Gamer? is it good?
03:29 <+doc_who> i think it's shit
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03:31 <+doc_who> http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/gamer/ and http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/gamer
03:31 <+ports-> oh
03:31 <+ports-> good idea
03:31 <+ports-> i just saw the blu-ray is coming out this week on the commerical
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03:32 <+ports-> wow
03:32 <+ports-> that bad
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03:33 < i_c-Y> the commercials were pretty bad
03:33 < i_c-Y> alebit not as bad as the movie wit hthe rock as a tooth fairy
03:33 <+ports-> lol yeah
03:33 <+jr19> yeah that looks rancid
03:33 <+ports-> the rock is poor
03:33 < i_c-Y> kristen bell has also totally sold out now too.
03:33 <+doc_who> really? what did she do?
03:34 <+ports-> the one with the guy from HIMYM
03:34 <+ports-> forgetting sarah marshall
03:34 <+doc_who> oh
03:34 <+doc_who> that was a judd apatow thing though
03:35 < i_c-Y> when in rome?
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03:35 < i_c-Y> i saw forgetting sarah marshall (parts of it ) on tv
03:35 < i_c-Y> and it was god awful.
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03:36 <+ports-> i didnt like that rocker guy
03:36 < i_c-Y> i mean the premise of the movie was this guy whose ugly got dumped by kristen bell (how did he get with her in the first place? )
03:36 < i_c-Y> and then mila kunis falls into his lap.
03:36 < i_c-Y> seriously.
03:36 <+jr19> unfortunate for him.
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03:37 <+ports-> i_c-Y, it does happen in real life
03:37 <+ports-> meh guys get to date hot girls
03:37 <+ports-> and sometimes marry them
03:39 <+doc_who> it wasnt a terrible movie imo
03:39 <+doc_who> not a good one
03:40 <+doc_who> par for the course for judd apatow i would say
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03:44 <+doc_who> i watched district 9 recently and didnt think it was as good as it was hyped to be
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03:44 <+doc_who> it was an average-mediocre sci fi movie
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03:45 <+glk> I saw the new Terminater movie, lots of destruction, little plot
03:46 < i_c-Y> the last good terminator movie was T2
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03:53 < bsparks> god damn, macports has been building qt4-mac for 3 hours now. I am gonna have to let this install run all night
03:54 < _Digital> bsparks, what processor do you have?
03:54 < bsparks> _Digital, 2x876MHz G4 :>
03:54 < _Digital> 4x3.2GHz C2Q takes about 10 minutes...
03:54 <+doc_who> (as Nelson) haha!
03:54 < _Digital> iirs
03:55 < _Digital> iirc*
03:55 < bsparks> I have been installing lmms for almost 8 hours now. And yeah, the configuring and building phases of each dependancy is taking fooooooorever
03:56 < _Digital> hmm, qt4 isn't in portage. I bet it takes longer than qt3
03:56 < _Digital> I prefer gtk+ since it offers font smoothing out of the box afaik
03:56 < bsparks> I'm not picking any of these
03:56 < bsparks> it's what lmms says it requires 
03:57 < _Digital> my eyes bleed when I look and simple pixel fonts (sans on a calculator)
03:57 < bsparks> I like my pixel fonts :)
03:58 < _Digital> 2 minutes until Human Target. I'm curious
03:58 <+Netham45> BrandonW, Can I PM you?
03:58 <@BrandonW> Yes.
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04:03 < JoeYoung> wow
04:03 < JoeYoung> lojban is pretty cool
04:04 < JoeYoung> but it's giving me a headache @.@
04:04 < i_c-Y> bsparks: there isnt a binary out?
04:04 < bsparks> i_c-Y, a binary of what?
04:04 < i_c-Y> lmms
04:04 < bsparks> not for PPC OS X
04:04 < i_c-Y> _Digital: qt4 has to be in portage.
04:05 < i_c-Y> theres a billion packages with qt4 in the name.
04:05 <+ports-> oh cool.. Dexter is in Gamer
04:06 < i_c-Y> http://gentoo-portage.com/x11-libs/qt-gui , _Digital for ex.
04:07 <+jr19> ahhh gentoo
04:07 <+doc_who> considering kde4 is in the apps database i would say qt4 is in also
04:07 <+doc_who> http://packages.gentoo.org/category/kde-base
04:08 < i_c-Y> if you were on a good distro, you wouldnt worry about this crap
04:08 < bsparks> to be honest if my netbook's soundcard didn't make everything sound like I was listening to it through a cardboard tube, I'd just run FLS on my netbook
04:09 < Jonimus> FLS?
04:09 < bsparks> FruityLoops Studio
04:09 < Jonimus> hmm k
04:09 < i_c-Y> who the hell adds the S when they abbreviate it...
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04:09 < i_c-Y> everyone just says FL.
04:09 < i_c-Y> hey patz2009 
04:09 < bsparks> i_c-Y, because FLS != FL
04:09 < i_c-Y> nikky offered you a shell
04:09 < patz2009> Hey there.
04:10 <+doc_who> are you installing LMMS on your netbook?
04:11 < bsparks> doc_who, no
04:11 < patz2009> Just out of random curiosity, does anyone know how to turn a wifi router with a USB port into a media server compatible with the PS3?
04:11 < i_c-Y> bsparks: they dont make one called FL Studio is their only product now.
04:11 < i_c-Y> people have been saying just FL for years.
04:11 < bsparks> i_c-Y, I am gonna keep saying FLS if there is a Studio on the end. 
04:12 < i_c-Y> patz2009: you need a upnp media server i think. i dont think theres a way to just throw a samba share or something at it
04:12 < patz2009> Well poo. My router here has a 1TB external hooked up to it, and I figured that'd be pretty cool for some PS3 media stuff
04:13 < i_c-Y> what kind of share does your router present anyway? cifs/samba? 
04:14 < i_c-Y> you could always put lunix on the ps3 if its not a slim
04:14 < i_c-Y> and use that for media server thing.
04:14 < patz2009> I'm running Tomato on the router, I've got it set up for a Samba share already
04:15 < i_c-Y> is it a PS3 slim?
04:15 < patz2009> and, I left my USB keyboard at home on accident, so next week is the soonest I can do lunix stuff on it
04:15 <+ports-> patz2009, what kind of router
04:15 < patz2009> ASUS WL-520GU
04:15 < i_c-Y> img uessing an asus wl50x?
04:16 < i_c-Y> close.
04:16 <+ports-> hrm
04:16 <+ports-> i thought there was packages for that
04:16 < i_c-Y> can't you borrow a usb keyboard from your roommate? i dont think you can run a upnp media server off the router, but you can try
04:17 < patz2009> roommate isn't a computer guy. i've asked around for some, but no one seems to have one here
04:17 < patz2009> it's really weird
04:17 < i_c-Y> i mean if you're in a dorm, somebody's gotta have one.
04:17 <+ports-> patz2009, http://www.society9.com/setting-up-a-low-cost-nas-using-tomato/
04:17 < Jonimus> ports-: nas isn't upnp
04:17 < patz2009> I've got it set up as a NAS, I want it to be a media server
04:17 < i_c-Y> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Ushare_uPnP_media_server , patz2009 
04:18 < i_c-Y> that should do it
04:18 < i_c-Y> but you'll have to redo the router DUN DUN DUN
04:18 <+ports-> i_c-Y, is that router compatible with dd-wrt?
04:18 < i_c-Y> yes.
04:18 <+ports-> k
04:18 < i_c-Y> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Asus_WL-520GU
04:18 <+ports-> the only router ive put dd-wrt on, is the la fonera
04:18 < patz2009> ah, ok, someone's done it with DD-WRT
04:18 < patz2009> the reflash i shall
04:18 < patz2009> then*
04:19 < i_c-Y> note that i haven't actually read the second page
04:19 < i_c-Y> past the first paragraph of the intro.
04:19 < patz2009> Well, I'm reading through it to make sure anyway
04:20 <+ports-> i have the la fonera 2.0n now
04:20 < patz2009> I decided that a router with a USB port and compatible with tons of firmwares out there was well worth the $40 i paid for it
04:21 < i_c-Y> i m happy with my wrt54gl's.
04:21 < i_c-Y> theres one at my parents house, i have one in my apartment adn i have a wrt54g2 as a wireless bridge for my desktop
04:21 < Jonimus> I still need to unbrick my WRT320n
04:21 < Jonimus> :(
04:22 < Jonimus> but I haven't been able to get a serial console up on the damn thing
04:22 < i_c-Y> patz2009: you may need to install the actual stuff ot the external hd
04:22 <+ports-> there really isnt that much app availability for the fon 2.0
04:23 <+ports-> not as much as the sales site makes you believe
04:24 < patz2009> I'm reading through the page. That still works for me though, it's 1TB so I'm not overly concerned about some software taking up space
04:38 < i_c-Y> patz2009: you're at school now?
04:38 < i_c-Y> nikky: give the man a shell
04:39 < i_c-Y> nikky: i quit elike the header bg on nykida.net
04:39 < patz2009> Yeah, I am. Using chat.efnet.org because of it, too =/
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04:40 < i_c-Y> well, you can ssh out of the school, ja?
04:40 < patz2009> Yeah...
04:41 < i_c-Y> it was either nikky or barrett who said gtheyd give you ashell i think it was nikkky
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04:41 < patz2009> Barrett said he'd give me a full virtual server, but I'm pretty sure he wanted some cash
04:42 < i_c-Y> one of them said this was for free
04:43 < patz2009> Hmmm, I guess I wasn't here when that was said. But yeah, most definitely interested.
04:46 < patz2009> I'm going to flash over to DD-WRT now, I'll brb.
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04:48 < i_c-Y> he's never comming back
04:48 < i_c-Y> bwahahaha.
04:48 <@BrandonW> That's what I was thinking.
04:48 < bsparks> I wish him luck
04:49 < bsparks> Is there ANYTHING for Linux like http://www.screenrecycler.com/home.html ?
04:49 < geekboy> same
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04:49 < patz2009> That was fast.
04:50 < patz2009> Though, my password seems to have been screwed up...
04:51 < patz2009> Nevermind. DD-WRT just reverted it to the default.
04:53 <@BrandonW> QUICK TRY TO HACK HIM
04:53 < patz2009> OHSHI--
04:54 < i_c-Y> bsparks: x2vnc?
04:54 < bsparks> i_c-Y, link?
04:55 < i_c-Y> google it.
04:56 < bsparks> I don't think that will work right in OS X
04:56 < bsparks> and is also 3.5 years old o.0
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04:57 < i_c-Y> so, have you failed yet?
04:57 < bsparks> and moreso, it looks like it works just like Synergy, which is not what I want :\
04:57 < patz2009> DD-WRT is on here, and my USB drive is mounted on /opt, which means I'm progressing
04:58 < i_c-Y> now rm -rf /
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04:58 < patz2009> ok
05:00 < i_c-Y> anyhow, you could always make a bunch of monitors in your xorg, pull them up all as vnc, then synergy or something.
05:02 < Barrett_> I have a free day tomorrow... what should I code?
05:02 < Barrett_> something cool and useful
05:03 < patz2009> Port the xbox360's OS to the PS3 with some mad haxx
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05:19 < patz2009> aw dang, i just had some question about where I could reference some material about the TI-89
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05:22 <@BrandonW> I really enjoyed the latest Terminator movie.
05:22 < i_c-Y> haha
05:22 < i_c-Y> seriously?
05:22 <@BrandonW> Yes, I saw it in the theater.
05:22 < i_c-Y> patz2009: did you get that program working?
05:24  * _Digital pokes Andy_J 
05:27 < patz2009> optware is currently installing on my hard drive, says it can take up to 20 minutes
05:27 < Barrett_> has anyone here ever used FileMaker?
05:28 < _Digital> got one of the girls from BSG in this season of 24. thought he might be interested
05:28 <@_Auron_> squeeee
05:28 <@_Auron_> today was nice at work
05:29 < Barrett_> did you get his number?
05:29 <@_Auron_> no
05:29 <@nikky> lame
05:29 <@nikky> get it from facebook
05:29 <@_Auron_> he doesn't have it on FB
05:29 <@nikky> psh
05:29 <@nikky> who doesn't have a number on facebook?
05:29 <@_Auron_> middle-aged people?
05:29 <@_Auron_> anyways
05:29 <@nikky> oh
05:30 < Barrett_> I don't know if I like this or not, but all of my facebook contacts with phone numbers listed are now on my phone's contact list
05:30 <@_Auron_> he did stuff today that was new
05:30 <@_Auron_> I'm probably TOTALLY overreacting on everything,
05:30 <@_Auron_> but the past week he hasn't said hi, smiled at me, or acknowledged me
05:30 <@_Auron_> today, he continued being super nice and smiley to me
05:30 <@_Auron_> not only that, but I found myself helping him do things at work, or do errands for him
05:30 < Barrett_> have you confirmed that he is indeed gay?
05:30 <@_Auron_> I found him working near me more
05:31 <@_Auron_> no
05:31 < i_c-Y> Barrett_: ive seen it a few times.
05:31 < Barrett_> i_c-Y, we use it at work... it's pretty useful for some things... and its purpose is not this, but my boss also insists on using it as our website's database (and it's incredibly slow)
05:31 <@_Auron_> when he was bagging he was helping cashiers to my immediate left and immediate right
05:31 < patz2009> Barrett_ and/or nikky, did one of you say that you could give me some shell access for free?
05:31 <@_Auron_> when I left to do a price check, I came back and he was in my place
05:31 < Barrett_> I kind of want to make a front-end similar to filemaker, but using mysql
05:32 < Jonimus> _Auron_: first you need to confirm he's into guys then worry about if he's into you
05:32 < i_c-Y> Barrett_: theres a feature in filemaker that links it to mysql
05:32 <@_Auron_> and he asked me if I was there before (he obviously knew); I confirmed, then he smiled and said "okay", did a little laugh/chuckle, then pat me on the back
05:32 < Barrett_> yes, there is
05:32 <@_Auron_> all of that is completely new
05:32 < Barrett_> however, using both the filemaker db and mysql is a pain
05:32 <@_Auron_> before all he ever, ever, ever did was say hi to me, smile, or tell me to do something
05:33 < Barrett_> and mysql from filemaker is slow for scripts and stuff (and I think some features are missing)
05:33 < Genolo> that disc fixed my windows bootloader thanks guys
05:33 < Barrett_> also, it costs an arm and a leg
05:33 < i_c-Y> Barrett_: then tell your boss to just move directly to mysql or postgre sql or something.
05:34 < Genolo> i just need to edit menu.lst to say windws 7 instead of windos
05:34 <@_Auron_> also he asked me stuff and learned some more stuff about me today; he's never asked me anything personal
05:34 <@_Auron_> so it was wtfsauce but nice today
05:34 < Genolo> or i'll go insane
05:34 < Barrett_> yeah, I've finally convinced him to start a transition... but that's not what I'm talking about right now... 
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05:34 <@efneTI92> [Tyler2] I no longer speak fluent dialup.
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05:34 <@_Auron_> it's another step toward being friends with him
05:35 < i_c-Y> so, what are you talking about, Barrett_ ?
05:35 < Barrett_> a filemaker like program that just uses your existing mysql databases would be incredibly useful (the relationship graph would be awesome for creating views with related tables)
05:35 <@_Auron_> I know he's a shy guy, so it's probably hard for him to try and talk to me
05:36 <@BrandonW> How do you know he's gay?
05:36 < Barrett_> he doesn't
05:36 <@BrandonW> Does he know you're gay?
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05:40 < i_c-Y> Barrett_: i don't know. glom works for postgre, but thats not mysql
05:40 < Barrett_> that looks pretty cool
05:41 < i_c-Y> the only mysql gui tools i can think of are their gui tools bundle. maybe someone wrote a php script in phpmyadmin or something to do that.
05:43 < i_c-Y> how bad is filemaker with mysql anyway? id venture a lot of the stuff can bypass the filemaker layer and go directly to mysql for speed
05:43 < i_c-Y> and then you can deal with other things directly from filemaker.
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05:44 < Barrett_> I haven't done any of the testing myself.. all I know is that we need to get away from filemaker
05:44 < Barrett_> we designed a little sign up form for swine flu shots a month or two ago, and when the e-mail went out to the entire university, our server went down
05:45 < Barrett_> the reason? filemaker queries stacked up
05:45 < i_c-Y> well, then you're going to need to write something that replaces the portions of filemaker you use. 
05:45 < Barrett_> yep
05:46 < i_c-Y> was it filemaker running ontop of mysql or what?
05:46 < i_c-Y> the email thing.
05:46 < Barrett_> well, the email wasn't the problem, that's just what caused the massive amount of traffic.. the issue was with the login
05:46 < Barrett_> the sign up sheet used mysql ('cause we knew there would be a lot of traffic)
05:46 < Barrett_> but logging in used one tiny filemaker query
05:47 < i_c-Y> cause filemaker makes it pretty easy to keep things updated, and things don't have to be super efficient always - you may be able to get away from the problem by just throwing more hardware at the problem - it will make peoples lives easier once you leave maybe.
05:47 < i_c-Y> i think the filemaker for mysql thing passes the queries near directly to mysql though.
05:47 < Barrett_> the bottleneck is cpu
05:48 < Barrett_> and it can only use one core per query at a time
05:48 < i_c-Y> whatever. you're in the position that you're trying to replace a rapid dev tool
05:49 < Barrett_> yep
05:50 < Barrett_> although, you're kind of right about the hardware... for some odd reason our filemaker server is a mac mini in a completely different building than the webserver (1.8 GHz core 2 duo I think)... but upgrading that still wouldn't solve the problem
05:50 < Barrett_> it'd just help
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05:50 < patrickc> huzzah
05:50 < i_c-Y> lol irssi
05:50 < Barrett_> my boss is actually a smart guy... so I don't know why he decided to do it that way
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05:51 < i_c-Y> well when the project originally started, it might have made sense.
05:52 < i_c-Y> Barrett_: jave you checked the mysql included gui tools?
05:52 < Barrett_> I think when that design decision was made, he was still under this other guy in the office (now they're at the same level)... but this other guy may have influenced that decision
05:52 < Barrett_> not yet
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05:58 <@_Auron_> Barrett_: today on my FB I posted a rant that outed me
05:58 <@_Auron_> because my coworkers have kept suggesting this girl or that girl
05:58 <@_Auron_> and I'm like, I'm tired of this shit
05:58 <@_Auron_> so I posted that after work today
05:59 <@_Auron_> but the stuff that happened today (which isn't necessarily anything, I was just describing it and my thoughts) was before that post
05:59 <@_Auron_> he's also been catching me looking at me all day too :P
05:59 <@BrandonW> So tomorrow should be interesting.
05:59 <@_Auron_> looking at him all day*
05:59 <@_Auron_> if he works tomorrow
05:59 <@_Auron_> he only works 4 days a week, 10 hours a day
06:05 <@BrandonW> It might still be interesting because of the other guys trying to set you up.
06:06 < Barrett_> _Auron_, shouldn't gay guys have some sort of signal they can use?  Like a gang sign?
06:07 <+ports-> Barrett_, they wink
06:08 < Barrett_> but that's obvious and would be embarrassing if the other person isn't gay... it should be something that straight people don't know about
06:08 < Barrett_> something subtle
06:08 <@BrandonW> Yeah, because that'll never get out on the internet on a list of things to look for.
06:10 < Barrett_> or perhaps one thing to tell everyone that you're gay (like the right ear being pierced, for example)... and THEN the wink
06:10 < Barrett_> to let them know that you are interested
06:11 < Barrett_> anyway... the real question is how on earth do I get a girl to be interested in me?
06:11 < tr1p1ea> errr
06:11 < tr1p1ea> wrong place to ask that one man :)
06:12 <@BrandonW> Truth.
06:13 < Barrett_> the last girl I was able to get interested in me is about to move to korea for a year
06:13 < tr1p1ea> nth/sth?
06:13 < Barrett_> at least, the last one that I was also interested in
06:13 < Barrett_> south
06:13 < Barrett_> to teach english
06:13 < DrDnar> Does MASM have reusable labels?
06:14 <@BrandonW> That's a good question.
06:14 < Barrett_> the whole thing seems fishy to me... and there are a lot of horror stories on the internet... but she's doing it anyway
06:14 < tr1p1ea> yeah id say goodbye to that one
06:14 <@BrandonW> It could be worse...you could be the one that drove her to it.
06:14  * tr1p1ea retrieves bad thought from Barrett_'s mind
06:23 <@_Auron_> Barrett_: signals? lol
06:24 <@_Auron_> unless you're flamboyant or stare, there are none
06:25 < Barrett_> i_c-Y, do you know of any database scripting tools?
06:25 < Barrett_> if that's a clear definition of what I'm thinking of...
06:30 < bsparks> qt4-mac is still at it
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07:11 < patz2009> Media server works
07:11 < patz2009> Except that it lags like fuck, so I should probably add some swap to here
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08:26 < mar> Hey does someone have boot2.cer?
08:28 < DSP_Lord> who what now
08:30 < mar> Who are yoooooo
08:31 < DSP_Lord> no singing.
08:31 < mar> But bouncing... I can bounce, right?
08:32 < DSP_Lord> ¯\(°_o)/¯
08:33 < mar> I can't make these important decisions by myself... please help me, DiskSPace Lord
08:33 < DSP_Lord> <_<
08:34 < mar> Darth Sidious Pants?
08:34 < DSP_Lord> anyway...
08:34 < DSP_Lord> what was that boot2.cer thing you were talking about?
08:35 < mar> Apparently Goplat over at UnitedTI has this emulator, and you need some boot2.cer to make 'er run
08:35 < DSP_Lord> why don't you poke him and ask
08:35 < DSP_Lord> he is here, after all.
08:35 < Goplat> no you don't
08:35 < mar> haha
08:35 < DSP_Lord> see?
08:36 < mar> Lord Goplat, perchance you shed a boot2.cer unto my fief?
08:37 < Goplat> you can get it from any .tnc or .tno from version 1.4 onward
08:37 < Goplat> but as I said, you don't actually need it for the emulator
08:37 < mar> orly?
08:37 < mar> Just the .tno, then?
08:38 < mar> Oh, okay your thanks and million
08:38 < Goplat> you need to extract boot2.img, most unzipping programs should be able to do it
08:38 < Goplat> then decompress it 
08:40 < Goplat> you can decompress with the imgdump program I wrote: http://www.unitedti.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8191&st=220&p=138368&#entry138368
08:45 < mar> Hackspire said that I can treat the .tno file like a .zip, but I'm told by the Windows unarchiver that it didn't work...
08:48 < Goplat> try any other archiver programs you have
08:48 < Goplat> I know 7-zip works
08:49 < mar> Oh, kay
08:50 < mar> Sweet goodness, you are halo 2
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09:47 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
09:51 < nicolas> hello
10:04 < _Digital> BrandonW, you still missing tonight's shows?
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10:54 < nicolas> soooooo
10:55 < leofox> soo
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10:55 < nicolas> anyone would like to help me elucidate a certain mistery .... warning: it's in Java
10:56 < nicolas> no, no one ?
10:56 < nicolas> :P
10:56 < leofox> I hate java
10:56 < nicolas> yeah, me too :(
10:57 < nicolas> I'm trying to "tail" a log file ... so obviously I have to wait till the log file exists first ..
10:57 < E-J> i like java, but i haven't done it for ages
10:57 < nicolas> technically a silly  while(!file.exists()) {Thread.sleep(1000);} should work
10:57 < nicolas> in fact, if I write a simple program (1 class) that does just that ... it works perfectly
10:57 < E-J> ah threads, they never work
10:58 < leofox> he's not using threads here
10:58 < leofox> Thread.sleep() just waits
10:58 < nicolas> now, in my "real" program, I do use a thread ... it is a gui app afterall, I NEED to use them :-/
10:58 < nicolas> in my real program this loop doesn't work
10:59 < nicolas> java keeps saying "false" 
11:01 < leofox> it says the file doesnt exist?
11:01 < leofox> even if you create it beforehand
11:02 < nicolas> indeed
11:03 < nicolas> interestingly, if inside the loops I add a: file.getParentFile().listFile() ... that file appears in there :S
11:03 < nicolas> I had thought, maybe I used the wrong path or something .. but no
11:04 < E-J> what about reading rights or something like that?
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11:10 < nicolas> never mind... solved it
11:10 < nicolas> stupid bug in the program
11:11 < nicolas> I think I should fire myself :P
11:11 < E-J> :)
11:11 < E-J> pebkac
11:11 < nicolas> that sounds about right
11:12 < nicolas> thank god for the rubber duck debugging technique!
11:12 < E-J> i'm trying to start writing some english for my thesis, but i'm halfsick
11:13 < E-J> (sick as in ill not that german laser sensor manufacturer)
11:13 < nicolas> so sick that you can't think ? I hate that :(
11:14 < E-J> about that, and also little sleepy
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11:19 < leofox> I'm so fucking pissed
11:20 < leofox> I'm doing this course where we have to work in groups of 2
11:20 < leofox> and for some reason the guy i'm doing it with decides to disappear completely in the last two weeks of the course
11:20 < leofox> taking the files of the last lab session with him
11:21 < leofox> how fucking great, 8 weeks of work for nothing
11:22 < E-J> nice nice, have you talked to course staff?
11:24 < leofox> I'm sending a mail atm
11:26 < leofox> fucking splendid
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12:07 < tr1p1ea> happens all the time
12:07 < tr1p1ea> course adviser will be prepared
12:08 < tr1p1ea> so as long as you tell them you havent stopped working and you have been unable to establish communication with your partner for some time
12:08 < tr1p1ea> they should be ok with it and possibly grant you an extension
12:24 < asmand> in one course.. a three person group, the day of the demo
12:25 < asmand> one went to south america to visit his dying father
12:25 < asmand> and one went to ostrobothnia to prepare for his wedding
12:25 < asmand> so I was left there demoing a barely working device
12:26 < asmand> they had valid reasons of course
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13:45 <@Andy_J> _Digital: knew about that ages ago
13:45  * DSP_Lord slaps Andy_J around a bit with a large trout
13:46 <@Andy_J> .
13:47 < DSP_Lord> herro <_<
13:47  * DSP_Lord waits for the customary "go to sleep"
13:48 <@Andy_J> oh, yeah, that.
13:48 < DSP_Lord> i wish it was that easy :/
13:49 <@Andy_J> it is!
13:49 < DSP_Lord> no, no it is not.
13:49 < DSP_Lord> i try to sleep, failure.
13:50 <@Andy_J> try harder
13:50 < DSP_Lord> once again, i wish it was that easy <_<
13:50 < DSP_Lord> thank god i don't work until 8 tonight.
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13:53 <@efneTI92> [KermM] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
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14:06 <@efneTI92> [KermM_] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
14:07 <+jr19> i see what you did there.
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14:09 <@efneTI92> [LordMathi] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
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14:12 < E-J> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7014890/Nasa-puts-Discovery-space-shuttle-up-for-sale-for-17.7m.html
14:13 <+jr19> that's just what i need to have sitting in the parking lot
14:14 <+jr19> free engines even
14:15 < E-J> yeah, little playground for brody
14:16 <+jr19> he was in a bad mood this morning when he woke up
14:16 <+jr19> so maybe a space shuttle would cheer him up
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14:26 <+ports> jr19:  sup
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14:35 <+ports> outlook's mail rules suck for some reason
14:36 <+ports> they used to work just fine for me on outlook 2007 and vista... i imported the same rules into Outlook 2007 on Win7.. and they dont always work
14:40 <+jr19> blame it on windows 7
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14:43 <+ports> heh
14:43 <+ports> ive rewritten the rule 3 times now.. i hope this new version works
14:46 <+jr19> the rules that i have set at work don't always work right
14:46 <+jr19> for awhile they weren't working at all
14:47 <+ports> my rule is just supposed to take all facebook email, move it into a new folder, and mark it as read.
14:47 <+ports> it doesnt get the mark it as read part right
14:48 <+jr19> hmm
14:48 <+jr19> facebook email :(
14:48 <+ports> what
14:49 < E-J> thunderbird's rules work fine
14:49 < KermM_> Thunderbird rules.
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14:50 <+jr19> when are people finally going to give up and just let gmail and google manage everything? ;)
14:50 < E-J> well, i got backups on gmail
14:52 <+ports> E-J:  i dont get where you're going with this
14:53 < E-J> ports: just telling that outlook sucks :P
14:53 <+ports> i dont think it does
14:53 <+ports> and it used to work just fine
14:54 <+jr19> i don't use it anywhere but at work
14:55 <+ports> jr19:  why arent yu on AIM
14:55 <+jr19> i am
14:55 <+jr19> but you're just pasting things to me about being home schooled
14:56 <+jr19> plus i'm too tired to switch windows
14:56 <+ports> heh
14:57 <+ports> my coffee got cold too quick
14:57 <+jr19> i was reading somewhere that drinking like 7-8 cups of coffee a day is actaully good for you
14:57 <+jr19> actually*
14:57 <+jr19> something about it lowering your risk or heart disease maybe
14:59 <+jr19> i was pretty late for work today
15:00 <+ports> um
15:00 <+ports> 7-8 cups of coffee is a shit ton of caffeine
15:00 <+ports> i like to sleep
15:00 < incubeous> I dirnk like 4
15:00 <+ports> infact... i enjoy it
15:00 <+ports> when im not having fucked up dreams
15:01 < incubeous> I wish my brain enjoyed sleep as much as it used to
15:01 <+ports> incubeous: do you take cream and sugar in your coffee?
15:01 < incubeous> no
15:01 < incubeous> black
15:02 <+ports> jr19:  did you ever get that new google interface i was showing you?
15:02 <+ports> http://gizmodo.com/5412801/how-to-try-the-new-google-search
15:02 <+jr19> i like to sleep, i should give up this computer stuff and do it more
15:04 <+jr19> ah yeah that did work
15:05 <+jr19> silly
15:05 < incubeous> I also like to have solid bowel movements, something which my body is not providing
15:06 <+jr19> squirty mcsquirteron lately?
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15:08 <+ports> jr19:  gross
15:08 <+ports> jr19:  have you seen google goggles?
15:08 <+jr19> this search interface looks more like something i'd see on a domain parking website
15:17 < bsparks> 14+hrs later and qt4-mac is STILL compiling :/
15:19 <+ports> jr19:  i dunno.. i like the mixed search results.
15:19 <+ports> jr19:  like searching pizza.. it gives me global results for pizza hut etc... and a list of local pizza places on a map
15:19 <+ports> instead of having to separately select each search myself
15:20 < incubus> ports, you're indian, be my doctor
15:20 <+jr19> i dont know what google goggles is
15:20 <+jr19> ports: my ps3 kicking friend is going to get a membership to a gym now
15:21 < bsparks> This is taking longer than Win95c+Works+Media did to install from
15:22 < bsparks> floppies
15:22 <+jr19> he said that at first he was thinking about losing weight, but now he thinks hes just going to try to get bigger lol
15:22 <+jr19> hes already kinda fat so i dont know what that means
15:28 <+ports> jr19:  hold on a sec
15:28 <+ports> incubus:  lol whats wrong with you
15:28 <+ports> and isnt i_c-Y  indian and studying to be a doctor?
15:32 < i_c-Y> why the hell would anyone think im studying to be a doctor?
15:33 <+ports> i_c-Y:  are you indian?
15:35 < i_c-Y> what does that matter?
15:35 < i_c-Y> half the time i have a @cooper.edu address - its an engineering art and architecture school.
15:37 <+ports> why are you so sensitive
15:37 <+ports> it was a joke.
15:38 <+ports> I'm not a doctor either...
15:38 < i_c-Y> you're an mba though. thats worse.
15:38 < i_c-Y> a mba.
15:39 <+ports> i'm not an MBA yet
15:39 <+ports> i_c-Y:  are you indian?
15:40 < i_c-Y> sure, why not? what does it matter?
15:41 <+ports> i_c-Y:  i don't understand why you're so sensitive
15:41 <+ports> it's quite normal to want to know what nationality or ethnicity people are.
15:42 <+ports> I don' assume all black people are from Nigeria.
15:42 <+ports> damn e-mail spammers
15:44 <+ports> jr19:  i might buy that new laptop next month and run ubuntu on it permanently
15:45 <+jr19> why ubuntu
15:45 <+ports> simple, lots of updates
15:45 <+jr19> are you going to buy it at the store?
15:46 <+ports> buy ubuntu or the laptop?
15:46 <+jr19> the laptop
15:46 <+jr19> or are you going to order it
15:46 <+ports> oh.. thatll be from hp.com
15:47 <+ports> i have to order it because i wanted the Wireless N + Bluetooth chipset
15:47 <+ports> id like to have internal bluetooth this time
15:47 <+jr19> it'd be nice if they'd ship it to you with no OS then and would deduct the cost somehow
15:47 <+jr19> but i dont think it works that way
15:47 <+ports> they dont deduct the cost unfortunately
15:47 <+ports> and i could always use a spare Win7 license
15:47 <+ports> my brother inlaw wants to upgrade his Vista laptop to Win7
15:49 <+jr19> my mom should upgrade her laptop to win7
15:49 <+jr19> god that thing is slow and i have no idea why
15:49 <+jr19> it's a new vaio than mine
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15:50 <+jr19> newer*
15:50 < DSP_Lord> lolVista
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15:50 <+jr19> i'd hate to blame vista for its slowness, but i always do
15:51 <+jr19> whether its warranted or not
15:51 < DSP_Lord> well, most likely it would run just fine with XP on it <_<
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15:51 <+jr19> i thought about putting linux on it and seeing if she noticed, but then i realized that she uses itunes and doesn't adjust to change very well
15:53 < E-J> i did put gentoo to my mom's very old laptop since she needed some system with usb support, laptop was so old that xp wouldn't work there
15:53 < DSP_Lord> heh
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15:55 <+jr19> i'd sort of like to do a clean install on her computer without all the extra sony crap
15:57 < E-J> http://www.youtupes.com/
15:59 <+jr19> what's that
15:59 <+jr19> hard to tell in elinks
15:59 <+jr19> and also its in a strange foreign language
15:59 < E-J> it's something that will have notice from google soon
15:59 <+jr19> heh ok
16:00 < E-J> but it's made by people who own this http://www.mr123.com
16:02 <+jr19> hmm
16:02 < i_c-Y> vista after SP1 got a lot better (in fact, if you had a system with all the drivers on lanuch you were fine). it also got quicker and nicer after sp2
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16:05 <+jr19> to be honest, i don't really have much experience with vista
16:05 <+jr19> i've never owned a computer that ran vista exclusively for a long period of time
16:05 <+ports> jr19:  i did
16:05 <+jr19> yeah and you had a huge boner for it
16:05 <+ports> jr19:  vista wasnt noticeably slow on a high end system..
16:06 <+ports> no i didnt.. but i had no choice but to run it on my laptop, because i spent 2 days trying to make all of the devices work under XP and gave up because i needed a working laptop
16:08 <+jr19> heh
16:12 <+doc_who> mornin
16:12 <+ports> jr19:  anyways.. hp.com had some sales in november.. but i wasnt ready to buy it then
16:13 <+jr19> hey doc_who 
16:13 <+ports> jr19:  they sell you a usb dvd burner with the dm3.. and its usually like $79 or $89.. it was 50% off and like $250 of on the laptop
16:14 <+jr19> theres so many things i could spend money on
16:14 <+jr19> and then i'm always like, do i really need this?
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16:14 <+ports> heh
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16:14 <+jr19> i wish it was nicer outside so i could take brody out to do things, but that's winter in iowa...
16:15 <+jr19> i could put him in his snowsuit and take him out in the snow, but i dont really want to be out in the snow
16:17 <+ports> http://mredllcgw4.connectmls.com/PICS/7CD469417BF406D0E040010A39011E49/P_1263154912719_DSC04224.JPEG
16:17 <+ports> jr19:  that place is $975 a month.. the one i showed you last night.. its pretty nice for that.
16:17 <+ports> but meh.. i dont want to pay 975/month in rent
16:24 <+ports> jr19:  have you ever thought about overclocking and just putting a massive fan on your desktop?
16:24 <+jr19> no
16:29 <+jr19> i'm looking at the physical fitness requirements for iowa police
16:30 <+ports> and
16:30 <+ports> are you thinking about joining?
16:30 <+jr19> i'm going to train to be a police officer
16:30 <+jr19> jk
16:31 <+jr19> justin said he was going to train to be one
16:31 < bsparks> Æ
16:31 < bsparks> whoops
16:31 <+ports> ps3 kicker?
16:31 <+ports> he knows he cant eat donuts all day as a cop right?
16:31 <+ports> oh speaking of police
16:32 <+ports> jr19 .. traffic was blocked in Chicago and a whole highway shutdown because someone possibly committed suicide off a bridge into the highway
16:42 <+rcfreak0> wow
16:44 <@nikky> hey guys
16:44 <@nikky> omnimaga ban list
16:44 <@nikky> http://pastebin.com/d70e49b11
16:44 <@nikky> check to see if you're on it!
16:45 <@nikky> I really wish you weren't so gosh darn bossy bsparks 
16:46 <+jr19> damn spam attacker.
16:46 <+ports> nikky:  Interesting... why is Netham45 in charge of an irc network that you're all banned on?
16:47 <@nikky> I don't know, I think whoever posted that copypasted from an outdated list
16:47 <+rcfreak0> yeah thats outdated lol
16:48 <+jr19> wtf is a "spam attack"
16:48 <+jr19> it seems to be a phrase that is thrown around quite liberally
16:49 <@nikky> I don't really know.
16:50 <@nikky> you know, to be fair
16:50 <@nikky> here's the tcpa perm ban list
16:50 <@nikky> end list
16:51 <+rcfreak0> lol
16:51 <@nikky> well, we do have about 8 permbans
16:52 <@nikky> but they're random bots
16:52 <+ports> nikky:  there's a DJ Omnimaga.. do you think he's related to them?
16:53 <@nikky> is him
16:53 <+doc_who> writing a text editor in c++ as an exercise is a lot more complicated than i thought it would be
16:53 <@nikky> haha
16:53 <@nikky> just rewriote ed!
16:53 <+ports> doc_who:  i like Notepad++
16:53 <+ports> doc_who: someone deserves money for writing that app
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16:55 <+doc_who> yea i use notepad++
16:55 <+doc_who> and it seems i broke it =/
16:55 <+ports> well duh
16:55 <+ports> you betrayed it
16:55 <+jr19> i almost feel like i need to go over there just to get banned so i fit in
16:55 <+ports> did you use NP++ to write the new text editor?
16:56 <+ports> thats like getting an exgf to help you find a new one
16:56 <+jr19> arcane wizard?
16:56 <+doc_who> lol
16:56 <+kirsk> jr19: sup
16:56 <+doc_who> i hadnt even started coding
16:57 <+doc_who> it preemptive struck
16:57 <+jr19> nothing you
16:57 <+kirsk> wy you say arcane wizard
16:57 <+doc_who> i would like to write it in x86 assembly and win api but i dont know enough of either
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17:02 <+ports> jr19:  im sore all over
17:03 <+ports> kirsk: i was at the gym yesterday.. and ive never seen someone actually bend that 45 lb bench press bar
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17:03 <+kirsk> "becnh press bar" :|
17:04 <+doc_who> wat
17:05 <+doc_who> dysexlia?
17:05 <+kirsk> no i mean its not a bench press bar
17:05 <+kirsk> weightlifting is not about benching unless youre a hueg fatso powerlifter
17:05 <+kirsk> or a curlmonkey guido
17:06 < sir_lewk> <3 lethal weapon
17:08 <+jr19> there is some guy from my hometown that broke bench pressing records or something
17:08 <+jr19> but he uses one of those jacket things that makes you have perfect form i think?
17:08 <+jr19> it sounds retarded
17:08 <+kirsk> jackets adds pressing force actually
17:08 <+kirsk> hence raw vs geared lifts
17:10 < sir_lewk> people should wear robotic exoskeletons while lifting
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17:11 <+jr19> bill carpenter is his name
17:12 <+jr19> from dubuque, ia
17:12 <+jr19> http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dennis50.htm
17:12 <+kirsk> cool
17:12 <+kirsk> you should check out this guy: you should check out
17:12 <+kirsk> the fuck mirc
17:12 <+kirsk> you should check out this guy: http://www.joeaveragestrength.com/
17:14 <+jr19> i thought ephedra was illegal
17:14 <+kirsk> eh idk
17:14 <+kirsk> but his youtube vids of him training his 'students' for football is hilarious
17:14 <+jr19> i'd have to look later when i'm at home
17:14 <+jr19> i'll try to remember
17:15 <+kirsk> hehe
17:15 <+kirsk> its the most ridiculous ive ever seen in weightlifting
17:17 < sir_lewk> I can't find any qtips :(
17:19 < Randomist> Why "Q-tips?"  Why not "I-tips?"  Oh, wait...
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17:20 <+jr19> anyway, my bench press sucks
17:20 <+kirsk> same
17:20 < sir_lewk> q-tips are one of those products that you can only get the namebrand version of
17:21 < bsparks> nikky, the best part about that ban is, I was just enforcing the rules he wrote :)
17:21 < sir_lewk> who got banned?
17:21 < bsparks> and the 'spam attack' was because I commented on like, 40 threads in an hour :)
17:22 <+jr19> i enjoyed how the ban list pretty much just consisted of people from here
17:22 <+kirsk> jr19 why you say arcane wizard
17:23 < Randomist> I'm guessing this involves an Omnimaga and a Kevin.
17:24 < i_c-Y> < sir_lewk> q-tips are one of those products that you can only get the
17:24 < i_c-Y>                   namebrand version of
17:24 < i_c-Y> there are some good alternatives
17:25 <+jr19> kirsk: http://pastebin.com/d70e49b11
17:25 <+jr19> i always buy the alternative q-tips
17:25 < i_c-Y> johnson and johnson's cotton swabs are pretty good
17:25 < i_c-Y> i dont like ones that flex though 
17:25 <+kirsk> cool a spam attack
17:26 <+kirsk> yay leofox has the same reason
17:26 <+kirsk> also lol at what i have in common with nikky
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17:29 <+jr19> i usually buy the shitty ones that are generic
17:29 <+jr19> but they look and feel like q-tips and do the same thing
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17:30 < SirCmpwn> who here knows C# and/or .NET
17:32 <@nikky> I think kirsk does
17:32  * Randomist runs away.
17:32 < Tribal> I know a little bit of C#
17:32 <+kirsk> i want to learn c#
17:32 < SirCmpwn> ever wanted to code C# or any high level language on ur calc?
17:32 <+kirsk> haha
17:33 <@nikky> C++ is doable
17:33 <@nikky> esp for m68k models
17:33 < SirCmpwn> im putting the finishing touches on a C# compiler oncalc, along with a series of libraries i call TI.Net
17:33 <@nikky> link?
17:33 <+kirsk> cool
17:33 < Tribal> Interesting
17:33 < SirCmpwn> unpublished, still wrapping up method compilation
17:33 < Randomist> [Cringes.]  So, pretty much Mono on calc?
17:33 <@nikky> ah
17:33 <@nikky> cool
17:33 < bsparks> Hopefully it's faster than the last C compiler for calcs [ discounting 68k stuff ]
17:34 < Tribal> Although I'd prefer ASM because of the limited space of the calc and the junk code compilers usually make
17:34 < SirCmpwn> Randomist - u could think of it that way
17:34 <@nikky> what models will it support?
17:34 < Tribal> I'd try it
17:35 < bsparks> I'd give it a spin if it was decently fast, and could do more than BASIC+Libs
17:35 < SirCmpwn> supports 83+ (SE), and 84+ (SE).  It compiles to TIBasic code though (blegh) and I have a version on my PC that compiles a more complete syntax (more like C#) into hex
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17:35 < bsparks> Wait, so the on-calc version just makes TI-BASIC code?
17:36 < SirCmpwn> bsparks - yes.  there is however a version on the computer that makes asm binaries.  it supports programs, apps, and oses (including signing).
17:36 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Tribal] by efneTI86
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17:37 <@efneTI92> [KermM_] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
17:37 < SirCmpwn> the one oncalc does everything for you using a few libraries (Str2Prgm, stuff from OTBP assembler, ect) and the compiled code runs fast with small size
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17:38 <+Tribal> How much longer will it be, since you said that your putting the finishing touches
17:39 < SirCmpwn> maybe up to a week if things are slow, worst would be middle of Feb
17:39 < SirCmpwn> longer for the onpc compiler
17:39 < bsparks> Why hadn't we hard about this before? 
17:40 < SirCmpwn> internal betas.  i want to get a good and working version out there, instead of a crappy beta
17:40 <@nikky> smart man
17:40 < SirCmpwn> [bows]
17:41 < SirCmpwn> hey additionally, i wrote a TI-BASIC debugger.  that one was easyish
17:41 < SirCmpwn> may publish it, super slow though
17:41 < i_c-Y> lol calculators
17:42 < SirCmpwn> i think im gonna make an asm version of the debugger that uses the parser hook to break on errors and breakpoints
17:42 < Randomist> i_c-Y:  Ironically, you're in a calculator channel.  :P
17:44 < SirCmpwn> hey btw for the debugger, i extract each line one at a time, then execute them individually.  if i hit a line that starts with a "*" i break the code into a little command line type of thing.  i interpret loops and conditionals manually. suggestions?
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17:46 < bsparks> So, is there an easy way to kill this install I am doing of lmms from portage and quickly remove all the crap it downloaded?
17:47 < sir_lewk> hmm
17:47 < sir_lewk> well you can ctrl-c it
17:47 < i_c-Y> lol portage
17:47 < sir_lewk> I forget what you'd have to do for cleanup
17:47 < i_c-Y> lol gentoo
17:47 < sir_lewk> ^
17:47 < Randomist> ^
17:48 < bsparks> who's using gentoo?
17:48 <@Andy_J> macports != portage
17:48 < bsparks> blegh
17:48 < sir_lewk> I used gentoo for about half a year last year.  decided my time was to valuable
17:48 < bsparks> I'm tired, let me use the wrong term
17:48 < sir_lewk> don't they half mac binaries?
17:48 <@Andy_J> it isn't just the wrong term, they're two completely different things
17:49 < bsparks> Andy_J, fuck off. I'm tired >(
17:49 < Randomist> Potato, tomato.
17:49 < bsparks> If you'd back the fuck off and let me get to correcting myself already, god damn.
17:50 <@Andy_J> you'd probably want port clean packagename
17:50 < sir_lewk> see, this is why I use linux.  I don't want to waste my time compiling everything just to make my computer work
17:51 < bsparks> sir_lewk, in no world do you compile everything to make your computer work
17:51 < Randomist> bsparks:  Except `emerge --world`.
17:52 < SirCmpwn> is cringing at the thought of someone calling themselves "Sir" what kind of loser does that? ;)
17:52 <@nikky> sir_lewk would
17:52 <@nikky> what an asstard
17:52 < sir_lewk> bsparks: nonsense
17:52 < SirCmpwn> geez man what a fail
17:52 < sir_lewk> ever hear of LFS?
17:53 < SirCmpwn> google has
17:53 < SirCmpwn> therefore so do i
17:53 < E-J> conquer --world
17:53 < bsparks> sir_lewk, that is a specality case. 
17:53 < sir_lewk> SirCmpwn: I've tried to ditch sir_lewk as my nick here several times, but it has too much inertia
17:53 <@Andy_J> Randomist: emerge: error: no such option: --world
17:53 < sir_lewk> bsparks: well you said "in no world"
17:53  * Andy_J equal opportunity asshat
17:53 <@Andy_J> Randomist: you mean `emerge --emptytree world`
17:54 < bsparks> I feel everyone is deciding today is act like a retard day.
17:54 < sir_lewk> hell, lots of gentoo people rebuild everything themselves at one point or another
17:54 < Randomist> There we go.
17:54 <@Andy_J> probably --deep too
17:54 < bsparks> Though, to save on bytes, we just call it 'act like ports day'
17:55 < Randomist> Times for nom-nom-noms.
17:55 <+ports> bsparks:  wanna ride in my porsche?
17:55 <+ports> Randomist:  this morning has flown by :(
17:55 < bsparks> ports, I bet you love to lure 11 year old girls with that line
17:56 <+ports> bsparks:  I don't know why you don't like me.
17:56 <@Andy_J> bsparks: you're thinking of Jed.
17:56 -!- kirsk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #tcpa
17:56 < bsparks> Andy_J, XD
17:56 < sir_lewk> http://www.cracked.com/photoshop_102_the-greatest-stories-ever-told-summed-up-via-infographic_p21 awesome
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17:58 < SirCmpwn> oops
17:58 < SirCmpwn> join #calcs
17:58 < SirCmpwn> crap wheres the slash
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17:58 < bsparks> next to shift?
17:59 <@Andy_J> people still use #calcs ?
17:59 < SirCmpwn> oh found it. Andy_J - supposed to chat w/a friend there, who didnt show :'(
18:00 <+ports> SirCmpwn:  congrats on writing the debugger
18:00 < SirCmpwn> tkx. i really need to write it as an app cause its in BASIC now and super slow
18:01 < SirCmpwn> well, i say basic, but it is hybrid
18:02 < SirCmpwn> hey when it breaks, it goes into a command line.  i have a few commands, but r there any suggstions/requests/whatever?
18:03 <+Tribal> inline asm
18:03 < SirCmpwn> maybe if i require omnicalc
18:04 < JoeYoung> hrmm, uti is down.
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18:05 <+ports> SirCmpwn:  maybe suggested replacements for bugged commands? 
18:05 < SirCmpwn> it has eval (evaluates something you might enter at the home screen), exec (executes a line of tibasic code), view (view the line about to execute), edit (edit the line about to execute), the ability to modify variables, and to continue debugging
18:05 <+ports> SirCmpwn:  like a typo correction
18:06 < SirCmpwn> hmmm, typo correction, maybe, how about optimization? (remove extra "s and )s)
18:07 < bsparks> Omnicalc makes me cry on the inside
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18:07 < sir_lewk> http://www.cracked.com/photoshop_102_the-greatest-stories-ever-told-summed-up-via-infographic_p12#slide lmao
18:07 < SirCmpwn> bsparks: omnicalc rules and not just for programmers
18:08 < bsparks> It does?
18:08 < bsparks> I'd say otherwise :)
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18:09 < SirCmpwn> yeah - simplified roots and logs of many bases and highlighting ()s and entries menu and virtual calcs
18:09 < bsparks> I thought other utilities have replicated all the features of Omnicalc better and faster by now :)
18:10 < SirCmpwn> :b possibly but everyone has omnicalc
18:10 < bsparks> ...they do?
18:10 < SirCmpwn> i do...
18:11 <@Andy_J> you are not everyone
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18:11 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
18:11 < SirCmpwn> lol that is true.
18:11 < SirCmpwn> omniprecence is overrated anyway
18:11 < bsparks> To be honest, I hadn't seen Omnicalc mentioned for over a year until today
18:11 < sir_lewk> no, everyone has omnicalc
18:12 < SirCmpwn> well, not you have.
18:12 < SirCmpwn> thank you, sir_lewk
18:12 < SirCmpwn> i forgive ur handle
18:12 < sir_lewk> omnicalc was popular in my highschool, about as much as ion/mirageos
18:12 < sir_lewk> which is to say, alot
18:12 < SirCmpwn> woah, not nearly as much as mirage! i have also never seen a calculator (other than my own) that had ion on it
18:12 <@Andy_J> that may be impressive, depending on how much "alot" is
18:13 <@Andy_J> SirCmpwn: then you've never used an 83 :)
18:13 < SirCmpwn> plus, i got rid of ion soon after putting it on
18:13 < E-J> we just played ztetris, zkart and bunch of other 86 games
18:13 < bsparks> I think in my HS I saw more cases of Ion than Mirage
18:14 < SirCmpwn> bah! ion
18:14 < sir_lewk> ion was popular in my highschool, which was 2003-2007. I imagine mirageos has overtake inquite a bit
18:14 < SirCmpwn> noshell is 4evar
18:14 < SirCmpwn> i like CalcUtil for programmers
18:15 < Randomist> CalcUtil++.
18:15 < SirCmpwn> ?
18:15 < SirCmpwn> link?
18:15 < Randomist> (Read:  +1)
18:15 < bsparks> He was giving kudos to CalcUtil
18:15 < E-J> ashell ftw!
18:15 < bsparks> ^
18:16 < SirCmpwn> ah. incidents like OTBP Assembler++ have stained my idea of the operator
18:16 < bsparks> Maybe I am behind on the times, idk any of these newfangled 'programmers tools' 
18:16 < SirCmpwn> xLib is nice too, but hard to expect ur end users to already have
18:16 < SirCmpwn> bsparks go find said tools.  u know where to go
18:16 < Randomist> SirCmpwn:  Celtic.
18:17 < SirCmpwn> Celtic? heard of, never pursued
18:17 < Randomist> Essentially, xLIB on steroids.
18:17 < SirCmpwn> link
18:17 < SirCmpwn> ?
18:17 < E-J> google
18:17  * Randomist digs around the Internet(s).
18:17 < SirCmpwn> :P
18:17 < SirCmpwn> im lazy give me a break
18:17 < bsparks> Celtic 3 > xLIB App > Celtic II > xLIB > Celtic > Codex > Omnicalc >_>
18:18 < SirCmpwn> lol i remember codex
18:18 < sir_lewk> I didn't know they all had the same purpose
18:18 < E-J> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/424/42446.html
18:18 < JoeYoung> same, bsparks
18:18 <@Andy_J> I use omnicalc a lot way back in the day
18:18 < Randomist> E-J:  Nah, there was an app version.
18:18 < JoeYoung> CIII is the greatest thing ever, even if it's still under construction
18:18 <@Andy_J> omnicalc, symbolic, mirageos, and noteflio (why would they pick a 9-character name for that when it doesn't fit?!) were my main apps
18:19 < bsparks> I used Omnicalc until I found out you could do the Greyscale trick with xLIB app, and haven't seriously used Celtic ever
18:19 < Randomist> It is on United-TI, which seems to be down, now, though.
18:20 < bsparks> err, not xLIB app, xLIB prgm
18:21 < sir_lewk> what does celtic do?
18:22 < bsparks> sir_lewk, afaik everything xLIB does and then a lot
18:22 < SirCmpwn> i just looked @ celtic, it appears to be for a much different purpose than xLib.  xLib is graphics, celtic looks like i/o
18:22 < bsparks> Celtic does graphics too
18:22 < i_c-Y> lol celtic
18:23 < SirCmpwn> ... not if the readme is anything to go by
18:23 < bsparks> Though idk what Celtic does now, I lost track when Iambian went from II to III
18:23 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, you are looking at Celtic III, right?
18:23 < SirCmpwn> yes. on ticalc
18:24 < bsparks> old version is old
18:24 < SirCmpwn> bsparks: slow clapp
18:24 < Randomist> Yah, the app version is compatiable with xLIB apps, and adds its own nicenesses.
18:25 < SirCmpwn> i think i would have liked 2 have known about the i/o stuff in celtic b4
18:25 < Genolo> i think i have celticIII uploaded somewhere
18:25 < Genolo> dunno how new it is
18:25 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, are you on a somewhat full keyboard?
18:25 < SirCmpwn> yes
18:25 < bsparks> Just checking.
18:26 < SirCmpwn> plus, i have the character map...
18:26 < Randomist> I have the recentmost version on my 84+ SE, but don't have a linking program set up on here.l
18:26 < SirCmpwn> bsparks: ...
18:26 < Genolo> http://kaeru.pac.am/geno/Cel3tq.zip
18:26 < Genolo> that's from like
18:26 < Genolo> 6/12/09
18:26 < Genolo> pretty old
18:26 < bsparks> I'm glad he got xLIB compatability working if what Randomist said is true, and I have no reason to think it isn't
18:27 < SirCmpwn> bsparks: what makes my keyboard important in the matter?
18:27 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, nothing. I was just curious 
18:27 < SirCmpwn> ... kk
18:27 < Genolo> lol
18:28 < Genolo> i kinda miss my full keyboard
18:28 < Genolo> with the numberpad
18:28 < SirCmpwn> i have been using brandonw's str2prgm and ripped zassemb1 off from otbp assembler for editing programs from BASIC
18:28 < Genolo> and the seperate keys for math operators
18:28 < bsparks> my numpad is missing the - and numlock keys :p
18:29 < SirCmpwn> i like prgmS3, too.  and i am using a laptop, technically.  numpad is made of function keys
18:29  * Andy_J doesn't go into the fact that "clear" sends the same key codes as numlock
18:29 < Genolo> i don't really understand this keyboard
18:29 < Genolo> there is a
18:29 < Genolo> like
18:29 < Genolo> numberpad on top of the letters
18:29 <@Andy_J> that's how laptop keyboards work
18:29 <@Andy_J> and have worked since like ... 1995
18:29 < Genolo> how do you use that
18:29 <@Andy_J> at least
18:29 <@Andy_J> the fn key
18:30 < SirCmpwn> find the blue "fn" key. hold it down and push the appropriate #
18:30 < Genolo> oh shit
18:30 < Genolo> that's cool
18:30 < bsparks> Andy_J, I know, but my keyboard is missing the numlock key. Or did you miss the many times I mentioned I use an old [ almost 10 years now ] gateway keyboard? :)
18:30 <@Andy_J> I guess I have missed that
18:30 < SirCmpwn> lol genolo
18:31 < Genolo> http://genolo.nvm2u.com/img/keyboard.JPG
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18:31 < Genolo> that was the keyboard on my old laptop
18:31 < bsparks> Andy_J, I have been trying to get around to getting a new keyboard when this one dies, but it's not likely to die anytime soon. And it's as indestructable as the old IBM ones, so I am cool with it
18:32 < Genolo> i think the one on my desktop is IBM
18:32 < SirCmpwn> wow kde
18:32 < Genolo> yes i use kde >_>
18:32 < SirCmpwn> i prefer gnome
18:32 < Genolo> i haven't used gnome in a year
18:33 <@Andy_J> xfce!
18:33 < bsparks> Aqua~
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18:34 < SirCmpwn> damn!
18:34 < SirCmpwn> wanna repeat that?
18:34 < bsparks> [13:32:59] <Genolo> i haven't used gnome in a year
18:34 < bsparks> [13:33:13] <Andy_J> xfce!
18:34 < bsparks> [13:33:14] <bsparks> Aqua~
18:34 < SirCmpwn> oh gnome.  right.  i <3 gnome, h8 kde
18:35 < Randomist> You and Nikky shall get along well.
18:35  * Randomist is a tiling window manager user.
18:35 < SirCmpwn> i dont mind minty linux and kde, but god forbid you boot into OpenSuse
18:36 <@Andy_J> pffft, who needs X
18:36 <@Andy_J> :0
18:36 <@Andy_J> :)
18:36 < bsparks> X is for losers
18:36 <@Andy_J> quite
18:36 < bsparks> As I realize I have x11.app running >_>
18:36 < bsparks> :)
18:36 <@Andy_J> heh
18:37 < SirCmpwn> wow just looked @ the real topic for the 1st time
18:38 < SirCmpwn> i always lol when i think of the fact that standardized tests force the particular model and that emu8x combined with a P2T thwarter makes that irrelavent
18:39 < bsparks> There isn't a whole lot on a standardized test that you can't do easily on an 83+
18:39 <@Andy_J> or even an 83
18:40 < bsparks> Andy_J, true
18:40 <@Andy_J> if you're desperate enough to cheat like that, you've already lost
18:40 < bsparks> Bingo
18:40 < SirCmpwn> my math teacher used to joke that one day i would plug a scanner in to my calculator, have it scan the test, then plug in a printer, and have it print out a finished test
18:40 <@Andy_J> we've got half of that
18:41 < bsparks> I keep saying we need to just go with PictBridge for printing
18:41 < bsparks> It's a new standard 
18:41 < SirCmpwn> we should have the calculator go online and get the answers
18:42 < Genolo> if calculators went online i'd be on irc during tests
18:42 < Genolo> nevermind cheating
18:42 <@Andy_J> that would require the calculator to be able to OCR the test to know what it says
18:42 < SirCmpwn> lol very true
18:42 <@Andy_J> or upload it to a server to do so
18:42 <@Andy_J> nevermind it doesn't have enough memory to store an image of the test in the first place
18:42 < SirCmpwn> plug in a flash drive.  heck, modify your calcs memory
18:43 < SirCmpwn> or type in the questions individually
18:43 < bsparks> Yeeeeah... no
18:43 < bsparks> that last one, there
18:43 < bsparks> that's not a terribad one...
18:43 < E-J> since OGC i have looked every O starting TLAs differently
18:43 < Genolo> didn't someone add a crapload of ram once
18:43 < SirCmpwn> get a usb hub and plug in a flash drive, a scanner, a printer, and a wireless adapter ;)
18:43 <@Andy_J> and a wallwart to power it all
18:43 < bsparks> I didn't think USB8x could handle hubs properly yet?
18:43 < Genolo> the battery woulnd't last sir
18:44 <@Andy_J> ^ bsparks 
18:44 <@Andy_J> Genolo: you couldn't even power those at all
18:44 <@Andy_J> keep in mind it only delivers 100 mA
18:44 < SirCmpwn> bsparks: so write a driver
18:44 <@Andy_J> not the 500 mA that a lot of those things want
18:44 < SirCmpwn> Genelo: hubs can be powered
18:44 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, I think if BrandonW can't get a USB hub to work properly, NOBODY is gonna be able to
18:44 <@Andy_J> which goes back to having to get hubs to work in the first place
18:45 < SirCmpwn> build a proprietary device that accepts input from the calcuator and manages the hub itself
18:45 <@Andy_J> at that point just use a laptop
18:45 <@Andy_J> since it would be rather obvious you're doing something sneaky on your calc anyway
18:45 < bsparks> s/laptop/pda or smartphone/
18:45 <@Andy_J> with 5 things larger than it hanging off of it
18:45 < bsparks> XD
18:45 <@Andy_J> and a power cord or two
18:45 < SirCmpwn> not if u tape it 2 the bottom of ur desk b4 the test starts ;)\
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18:46 < SirCmpwn> and a generator
18:46 <@Andy_J> SirCmpwn: the usb cable would still be there
18:46 < bsparks> Andy_J, WirelessUSB? [ worst standard ever ]
18:46 <@Andy_J> s/cable/dongle/
18:46 < SirCmpwn> use a wireless i/o cable.  u built the hardware anyway, just make it use i/o instead
18:47 < bsparks> If you are building hardware, go the benryves route, build an entire z80 computer
18:47 <@Andy_J> brilliant, let's slow it down by an order of magnitude!
18:47 < bsparks> 6Hz!
18:47 < SirCmpwn> ah, but u cant use a pile of wires and a screen on a test (with respect 2 ben)
18:47 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, my teachers all agreed that if I built a computer using the same components as an 83+, it was valid on their tests :)
18:48 < SirCmpwn> bsparks: i may have 2 ask...
18:48 < bsparks> Andy_J, how slow do you think it'd take 6Hz to
18:48 < bsparks> .05Hz?
18:48 <@Andy_J> bsparks: I was actually referring to I/O instead of USB
18:48 < bsparks> oh, ok
18:48 <@Andy_J> not the clock speed of the proc
18:48 < bsparks> well, I meant in user experience areas
18:49 < SirCmpwn> u know those tests u take online like scantron?
18:49 < bsparks> the proc wouldn't change, but it'd feel like it was sloe
18:49 < SirCmpwn> vti from a flash drive ;)
18:49 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, I haven't taken any online test in a formal setting
18:49 < bsparks> Also, PTI over VNC works better
18:49 < bsparks> Me and VTI never get along
18:49 < SirCmpwn> PTI? really? maybe u should just use wabbitemu
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18:50 < bsparks> I haven't used an emulated calc in a very very long time
18:50 < SirCmpwn> better yet, pull up the official ti flash debugger
18:50 <@BrandonW> It's not just getting USB hubs to work (Dan actually got it working), but the drivers have to be restructured to support it.
18:50 < bsparks> BrandonW, ah
18:50 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, howabout no on that one
18:51 < bsparks> I could always load up BrandonW's control a cal- wait, NEVERMIND ;P
18:51 < SirCmpwn> BrandonW maybe you can have a software intermediary in between the driver and the port that handles traffic
18:51 <@BrandonW> That's pretty much the definition of usb8x hub support, and like I said, that still requires restructuring the drivers.
18:51 < SirCmpwn> ahh. i c
18:52 <@BrandonW> It's too low-level to have a completely transparent layer between those two things.
18:52 < SirCmpwn> hey can usb8x be embedded into an OS?
18:52 <@Andy_J> My head is starting to hurt trying to decipher what SirCmpwn is trying to say
18:52 <@BrandonW> In theory, yes.
18:53 < bsparks> Andy_J, your breaking point was the same as mine, I had a very similar line typed in :)
18:53 <@BrandonW> What kind of embedding are we talking?
18:53 < bsparks> BrandonW, sticking it in OS2 
18:53 < SirCmpwn> im designing an os that doesn't allow user access to the RAM and sets up the rom with a FAT system.
18:53 <@BrandonW> FAT eats up a lot of space.
18:53 <@BrandonW> How are you preventing access to the RAM?
18:53 < SirCmpwn> well, maybe ntfs or something else
18:54 < bsparks> ...
18:54 < bsparks> hehe, hahahahahaha :')
18:54 <@Andy_J> ntfs on a calc?
18:54 <@Andy_J> you're insane, man
18:54 <@Andy_J> FAT is almost as bad
18:54 < SirCmpwn> asm programs will still have access, i am using the ram for program storage.  multithreaded w/gui and the whole shabang
18:54 < bsparks> NTFS doesn't even work on embedded devices most of the time!
18:54 < SirCmpwn> programs store their vars in ram
18:54 < bsparks> go with MFS, simple and effective >_>
18:55 <@BrandonW> I'm sure you're aware there's no protected mode so threading is going to be unstable and possibly slow.
18:55 <@Andy_J> programs also need to run from a fixed point in the address space unless you intend on somehow doing dynamic relocation
18:55 <@Andy_J> ... at run-time, not load time
18:55 < SirCmpwn> yes.  i am basically using memory in the same a pc would
18:55 < bsparks> BrandonW, it'd be the first threaded z80 computer though
18:55 < SirCmpwn> and bits of a program would be copied to a specific location
18:55 <@BrandonW> I thought there was a z80 OS that already did this.
18:55 <@BrandonW> That Contiki.
18:56 < SirCmpwn> that and BAOS
18:56 < bsparks> BrandonW, I didn't think it did real threading
18:56 < bsparks> I thought it pulled the trick the old Mac System Software did and pause the background apps
18:56 <@BrandonW> It has protothreads.
18:56 <@BrandonW> (Contiki)
18:56 <@BrandonW> But it's never run on a calculator.
18:57 <@BrandonW> I really wish it did, it looks like a good candidate for porting a C-based OS.
18:58 < SirCmpwn> hey, on a side note: linux on a >=89?  it has the proper proccessor, and you would just have to write mouse/keyboard/display drivers in theory, then u can put ubuntu or something else outrageous on
18:58 < bsparks> good luck on that
18:58 <+jr19> ha
18:58 < Genolo> ¯\(°_o)/¯
18:58 <+jr19> i'd like to see it with ubuntu on it
18:58 <@BrandonW> I'm sure it's been attempted before.
18:58 < bsparks> Maybe SirCmpwn can be our ambassador to Kevin Kofler 
18:58 < Genolo> ubuntu is bloated
18:58 <@Andy_J> it doesn't have an MMU
18:58 <@BrandonW> The closest thing you get to that is PedroM.
18:58 <@Andy_J> therefore the most you can hope for is ucLinux
18:59 < bsparks> System 6~
18:59 < SirCmpwn> well, maybe dsl
18:59 <@Andy_J> ... which still needs an MMU
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18:59 < bsparks> Andy_J, I thought 6.3 was the first to require it
18:59 <@Andy_J> you can easily get the linux *kernel* to run, good luck getting much more on there
18:59 <@Andy_J> bsparks: I'm ignoring you for the purposes of this discussion
18:59 < bsparks> oh :)
19:00 < SirCmpwn> well, linux kernel + distro designed 4 calcs?
19:00 <+ports> wow.. this is awful.
19:00 <@Andy_J> You cannot use the Linux kernel!
19:00 <@Andy_J> What part of that are you not getting?
19:00 <+ports> I just got a facebook group invite for a "if 50,000 people join this group Midiri will cut off his left arm.. he signed a contract."
19:01 <+ports> where's joels? how do i report that
19:01 < SirCmpwn> fine.
19:01 < bsparks> ports, there is a "report" button on the page you know
19:01 <+ports> bsparks:  not on my phone
19:01 < bsparks> ports, so, use a computer
19:02 < bsparks> or load the full site
19:02 < bsparks> there is an option for that on every page on the mobile version
19:03 < SirCmpwn> hey - intel emulator for the calculator? its feasible
19:03 < SirCmpwn> slow, but feasible
19:03 < bsparks> Intel... what?
19:03 <+ports> loading it now
19:03 < bsparks> 8080? :)
19:03 <@Andy_J> 8080 maybe :)
19:03 < SirCmpwn> emulate windows or something from ur calc
19:03 <@Andy_J> yeah ... no
19:03 < SirCmpwn> i think it could work.  should work? no. could work? yes
19:03 <@Andy_J> sure, we'll emulate a 100MHz+ 32-bit processor on a 15MHz 8-bit processor
19:04 < bsparks> Altair [ sp? ] 8080 emulator, with paper printout and lights and switches, gogogo
19:04 <@Andy_J> That makes perfect sense.
19:04 <@Andy_J> Sure, we barely have enough registers for the *PROGRAM COuNTER*, let alone the general-purpose registers
19:04 <@Andy_J> but we'll make it happen!
19:04 < SirCmpwn> what about qdos?
19:04 < bsparks> ...
19:04 <@Andy_J> SirCmpwn: stop being stupid or face the banhammer.
19:04 < bsparks> Someone has no sense of reality
19:04 < SirCmpwn> yeah yeah fine
19:04 < SirCmpwn> sudo crush_dreams
19:05 <+ports> bsparks:  wheres the report button on the mobile facebook? i dont see it at the bottom and it didnt show up in Find
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19:05 < bsparks> ports, there is a button to load the FULL page on the MOBILE page, the report button is then on the FULL page
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19:06 < SirCmpwn> so would it be easy to implement grayscale in this multithreaded os of mine?
19:06 <+ports> bsparks:  thanks
19:06 < bsparks> ports, besides, I don't think JoelS has control over reporting things anyway
19:06 <+ports> bsparks:  nah. he could just access facebook as a user and report it himself... i cant get on facebook from work
19:07 < bsparks> ah
19:07 <@Andy_J> SirCmpwn: considering how each are pretty complicated, and if you try to do both at once you'll have next to no processor time for anything useful...
19:07 < bsparks> ^
19:07 < bsparks> You could do... 3 level greyscale, that might be doable... a little. But not with a GUI, and real multithreading
19:08 < bsparks> Ben's multithread demo was slow enough as it was
19:08 < SirCmpwn> i can stick the grayscale on an intterupt, and the multithreading on the crystal timer, and the gui on another interrupt...
19:08 <@Andy_J> you're still using the same CPU to do all of the work
19:09 < bsparks> Andy_J, he's gonna add another CPU, and an IDE controller, and a HDD, and maybe a cooling fan, and overclock the processors, and then put it in a steel case and call it an IBM PCjr
19:09 < SirCmpwn> true.  grayscale may go, but definately not gui or multithreading.  i have done fast gui in TIBasic, im positive i can do it with minimal effor in z80
19:09 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, got a link to your 'fast' GUI in TI-BASIC?
19:09  * Andy_J laughs
19:10 <@Andy_J> TI-BASIC and fast in the same sentence without a not?
19:10 <@Andy_J> HAHAHAHA
19:10 < Randomist> Pure TI-BASIC or hybrid TI-BASIC?
19:10 < bsparks> Randomist, it'd have to be hybrid
19:11 < SirCmpwn> hybrid w/xLib. duh. i didnt update the screen every frame, exept the mouse, and stored all of the screen (minus mouse) in a picture, then modified it when need be
19:11 < bsparks> Got a link to your code? :)
19:11 < SirCmpwn> and it was multithreadedish
19:11 <+Netham45> I think you can get 3 pixels to go gray before it starts lagging in native BASIC
19:12 < SirCmpwn> no grayscale though
19:12 < bsparks> Netham45, I got 4 level decently. 5 got an SE to act like a regular 83+, and anything above 5 was just for show
19:12 < SirCmpwn> bsparks: still on my calc, cant get it now.  probably l8r though if u hang out on this board
19:12 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, I am in this chan 24/7/360
19:12  * Randomist had some "multi-threading" in PyroEdit.
19:13  * Netham45 had some "multi-threading" on two calcs
19:13 < bsparks> the best "multithreading" example I got was 2 enemies and a player all moving at the same time in Pixel Fight, and even that was sketchy 
19:13 < SirCmpwn> bsparks: will i am not.  if i ever get the time aside from my current projects to troll through backups and old groups to find old proof-of-concept projects i will let u know
19:13 < SirCmpwn> *well
19:15 < bsparks> do you have _any_ examples of _any_ code of yours? I wanna see, prod it
19:15 < SirCmpwn> Randomist: nice.  im pretty sure everyone makes their own sprite/tilemap editor at some point. urs seems far above the rest
19:15 <+kirsk> lol multithreading without hardware support
19:15 <+kirsk> thats like saying you have multithreading in basic because you have two interchanging loops running
19:16 <@Andy_J> kirsk: depends on what you mean by "hardware support"
19:16 < SirCmpwn> bsparks: grrrrrr!!!!! ill come back l8r cause im @ work and dont have my calc or even my own computer w/all my ti files
19:16 < bsparks> You should back them up! On a server :) I hear ticalc.org has good uptime 
19:16 <@BrandonW> The only way I can see threading working on a z80 calculator is through interrupts, and that can easily be disabled by lots of things.
19:16 <+kirsk> hmm ok
19:17 <@Andy_J> because taken at its strictest "hardware support" can mean hyperthreading, multi-processor, multi-core, or some combination thereof
19:17 < SirCmpwn> i hid in my little calculator all alone w/o publishing for a long time so just wait for TIC#, okay?
19:17 <+kirsk> Andy_J: or any of the above
19:17 <@Andy_J> "or some combination thereof"
19:17 <+kirsk> the calcs have nothing like it, right?
19:17 < SirCmpwn> BrandonW: preview the code that is about to happen and kill the disabling code? maybe?
19:18 <@Andy_J> the calcs have interrupts which is all you *need* to be able to do it
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19:18 <@Andy_J> see: really old computers
19:18 <@BrandonW> That can't be done reliably and would be way too slow.
19:18 <@Andy_J> yes, slow and unreliable, but all that is strictly required.
19:18 <@BrandonW> I was answering his question.
19:18 <+kirsk> can interrupting really be considered multithreading?
19:19 < calcdude> yes. but it isn't "secure" in any sense
19:19 < SirCmpwn> perhaps we make like windows and just warn against viruses? we dont *have* to do anything about it, just ask programmers to nicely stay away from the inturrupts and go through the multithreading process
19:19 < Randomist> TI clearly needs to bust out with some multi-core calcs.
19:19 < calcdude> SirCmpwn: that _is_ the only way to multi-task
19:19 <+kirsk> it doesnt really sound threaded
19:19 <+kirsk> i mean if one 'thread' fails youre fucked anyway
19:20 < SirCmpwn> Randomist: L-O-L.  Do u really think that ti gives a crap about us?
19:20 <+kirsk> multi-tasking i can believe
19:20 < Randomist> SirCmpwn:  'Course not.
19:20 < Randomist> (With the exception of the whole DMCA thing.)
19:21 < calcdude> but that's not in a good way...
19:21 < SirCmpwn> maybe, but if u kill the thread at the mentoin of an error u will possibly be fine.  there are (scratches head for a moment) 3 inturrupts, right? so keep one of them ready to handle a catastrophic crash
19:21 <@Andy_J> it doesn't work that way
19:21 < SirCmpwn> Hey - they care about us by not replying to the EEF letters
19:23 <@BrandonW> There's only one interrupt, but three separate hardware timers that can cause the interrupt to fire.
19:23 < SirCmpwn> ah. so juggle what code is waiting?
19:23 < calcdude> As long as an erring thread/process doesn't corrupt RAM, it can be killed without doing any damage
19:23 < calcdude> yes
19:24 < Randomist> Too bad there's no protecting RAM on calcs.
19:24 <@BrandonW> z80 threading has been done before, like with Contiki.
19:24 < Randomist> "You're in my RAM allocation, corrupting my sectors.  GTFO."
19:26 <@BrandonW> I just think it's not going to work so well if your intention is to run existing games and programs/applications.
19:26 <+kirsk> damn i really need a way to get my full usenet speed again
19:26 <+kirsk> stupid isp QoS rules
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19:31 < calcdude> you could run some existing programs using flash for swap... killing your calc in the process... :)
19:33 < Randomist> Calc Flash does not do the whole wear-levelling thing?
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19:34 <@Andy_J> that's far too complex
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19:34 <@Andy_J> and that normally applies to NAND flash, which has a controller anyway
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19:34 <@efneTI92> [Netham45] "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." -Scissors
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19:34 <@BrandonW> As far as I know, you can wear down your Flash chip.
19:35 <@BrandonW> In your calculator.
19:36 < Randomist> It gets about ten thousand re-writes per sector before reliability starts going down the drain, right?
19:37 < calcdude> that's probably correct
19:37 < calcdude> lower, actually, because it's TI
19:37 < calcdude> :)
19:37 <+Netham45> eh
19:37 <+Netham45> TI doesn't really produce shoddy products
19:37 <@BrandonW> Tell that to all the people with crappy LCDs!
19:37 <@BrandonW> And less extra RAM!
19:38  * calcdude has less extra RAM!
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19:38 <@BrandonW> The Nspire has a terrible LCD.
19:38 <@BrandonW> The ghosting is unreal.
19:38 <+Netham45> You have less RAM, but that RAM is of the upmost quality.
19:38 < bsparks> XD
19:38 < bsparks> as odd as it is...
19:38 < bsparks> Netham45++
19:38 <+Netham45> lol
19:38 < SirCmpwn> hey - question.  if you wanted to structure the ROM with a filesystem, could you put the boot code on a small partion and have the os and files on a second partition?
19:38 < Randomist> Maybe we could just use USB Flash for swap.
19:39 <@BrandonW> You can't move the boot code.
19:39 < Randomist> Dirt cheap.
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19:39 < SirCmpwn> 0000h would be boot code, then at the end of the boot code the filesystem starts
19:39 <@BrandonW> No, the boot code is not on page 0.
19:39 < SirCmpwn> where?
19:39 <@BrandonW> It's on page 1F/3F/7F.
19:39 < Randomist> Hey, wait.
19:39 <@BrandonW> And on the 84+/SE, also on 2F/6F.
19:39 < SirCmpwn> ah.  put it there?
19:40 < Randomist> Would it be possible to write a bootloader to have the OS and the Flash filesystem on a USB stick?
19:40 < Randomist> Or something like that?
19:40 <@BrandonW> The hardware relies on you putting certain stuff on page 0.
19:40 < SirCmpwn> have <1F be the os, >7F would be the filesystem?
19:40 <@BrandonW> So the top and bottom of the Flash chip are already taken.
19:40 < calcdude> how fast are USB transfers, though?
19:40 <@BrandonW> There's nothing greater than 7F, SirCmpwn.
19:40 <@BrandonW> USB transfers can be pretty fast (enough to stream dithered video).
19:41 < SirCmpwn> Ah.  I am not too savvy on the construction of the flash in the calc
19:41 <@BrandonW> But it's way too slow to run an OS off it or anything.
19:41 <+Netham45> Randomist, I'd imagine that that wouldn't work, as you would probabally need portions of the OS for USB.
19:41 < calcdude> and as brandon said: too slow
19:41 <+Netham45> or enough code to not be worth having the OS elsewhere
19:41 < SirCmpwn> Is it possible to keep the os in the filesystem>
19:41 <@BrandonW> A minimal OS could be written that takes up only one page and fully supports direct USB.
19:42 <@BrandonW> What are you calling the "filesystem"?
19:42 < calcdude> not on page 00, maybe?
19:42 < SirCmpwn> the place where files/directories are stored
19:42 <@BrandonW> Yeah, but what area of the Flash chip are you saying that is?
19:42 < calcdude> that's virtually all flash
19:42 < SirCmpwn> as much as I can muster
19:42 <+Netham45> files and di
19:42 <+Netham45> er
19:43 <+Netham45> directories are too advanced for calculators!
19:43 <+Netham45> :P
19:43 < Randomist> Netham45:  Nonesense.
19:43 <@BrandonW> The Nspire only supports one level of directories.
19:43 <@BrandonW> It actually supports a lot more, but not for documents.
19:43 < SirCmpwn> Netham45: ever use doors?
19:43 <+Netham45> wait, are we talking about nspire here, or 8xs here?
19:43 < bsparks> HAHA Doors is a joke
19:43 <+Netham45> SirCmpwn, sadly I have.
19:43 < SirCmpwn> i am talking about 8xs
19:43 < Randomist> SirCmpwn:  DCS Doors?  Blegh.
19:43 <@BrandonW> Yeah, I just threw that in about the Nspire.
19:43 <+Netham45> ah
19:44 < SirCmpwn> Doors sux but it does directories...
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19:44 <@BrandonW> MirageOS does that, too.
19:44 < SirCmpwn> brandon - i c.
19:44 < SirCmpwn> Mirage has 1 level
19:44 < bsparks> Doors isn't an OS SirCmpwn 
19:44 <+Netham45> and a userbase, which Doors doesn't.
19:44 < Randomist> Yah, and they both suck, because when the calculator gets reset, they forget.
19:44 < bsparks> it's a glorified tech demo 
19:44 < SirCmpwn> regardless, it is a demonstration of directories
19:44 <@BrandonW> I think you're pretty well locked into the way it is now, the OS in both the upper and lower parts of the Flash chip, and everything else is for variable storage.
19:45 <@BrandonW> Randomist, that has nothing to do with the shells.
19:45 < SirCmpwn> Well, at least that will keep users from meddling with the os files
19:45 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, no, no it's not
19:45 <@BrandonW> It has to do with how it keeps track of the folders.
19:45 <@BrandonW> "Folders" are just an ID byte in the VAT entry of the variable.
19:45 <@BrandonW> If the variables are archived, then that ID gets stored in the RAM copy of the VAT entry.
19:45 < SirCmpwn> Really?  trippy
19:45 < SirCmpwn> oh thats annoying.
19:45 <@BrandonW> So if you reset, the archived copy of the VAT entry (without the ID byte) is restored.
19:45 <@BrandonW> So the solution is to move them into the correct folder, THEN archive them.
19:46  * SirCmpwn Comprehends
19:46 < bsparks> BrandonW, or not use MOS at all
19:46 <+Netham45> noshell, anyone?
19:46 < calcdude> keeping track of where things are in memory with folders efficiently in ASM on z80... difficult
19:46 < bsparks> I stopped using MOS once the Save The Whales bit was fully exposed 
19:46 < SirCmpwn> you could always create three folders: "save" "the" "whales"
19:46 < SirCmpwn> ... wow.  perfect timing
19:47 <@BrandonW> You can also create "SCAR", "THE", "SHOALS".
19:47 <@BrandonW> Or "SALT", "THE", "PHAGEL".
19:47 < bsparks> ^
19:47 < calcdude> used to do something, though...
19:47 < bsparks> It changes a few entries in the Catalog if I recall
19:47 < SirCmpwn> true
19:47 < SirCmpwn> didnt brandon figure that out?
19:47 <@BrandonW> Yes.
19:47 < SirCmpwn> good job
19:48 <@BrandonW> It installs a token hook which renames a few of the commands/tokens.
19:48 < bsparks> BrandonW figures most of it out
19:48 < SirCmpwn> that is true
19:48 < bsparks> MV and Dan_E do aswell
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19:48 < Randomist> Why not just make a database file with the names of the programs and directories and whatnot, then archive that?
19:48 < SirCmpwn> yeah, not as much though
19:48 <@BrandonW> Dan is the one that created Save the Whales, so I think he wins.
19:48 <+Netham45> calcdude, can I PM you?
19:48 < SirCmpwn> database?  maybe, but it reminds me of fat
19:48 < SirCmpwn> and props to dan
19:48 < bsparks> BrandonW, Dan wins in so many ways it makes my head hurt
19:49 <@BrandonW> Randomist, I proposed to Kerm that he add a feature to DoorsCS that would fix this issue.
19:49 < bsparks> !qfind blockdude
19:49 <@efneTI86> 1012:Andy_J: * Dan_E is a high school math teacher | <Dan_E> One of the other math teachers asked me what my high score was in blockdude | <Dan_E> And I got to be like, "Open up Puzzle Pack ... See that part where it says "Dan Englender" on the title screen?  THat's my high score"
19:49 <@efneTI86> (All of 1 match)
19:49 < SirCmpwn> is the source available? y dont we just do it ourselves?
19:49 <@BrandonW> To what, DoorsCS?
19:49 < SirCmpwn> yes
19:49 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, because DCS is spaghetti code 
19:49 < Randomist> Not sure if DCS was an open-source app.  I think not.
19:49 <@BrandonW> I think it is now.
19:50 < SirCmpwn> it is witha a disassembler ;)
19:50 <@BrandonW> I personally don't want to write it, I was just suggesting it to him.
19:50 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, if you want to go conmmit IP Infringement, be my guest >_> I am not gonna go disassembling and modifying ANYONE'S code from the community
19:51 < SirCmpwn> i dont blame u.  y does it crash out of the basic editor sometimes, too?
19:51 < bsparks> [ unless that person is a) gone, or b) an ass
19:51 <@BrandonW> I don't use DoorsCS, so I don't know.
19:51 < SirCmpwn> bsparks: right.  so wait until dan ignores the community, like most calculator devs of olden times
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19:51 <@nikky> hi
19:51 < bsparks> Who's ignoring the community?
19:51 < SirCmpwn> hello there
19:51 <@Andy_J> !seen dan_e
19:52 <@efneTI86> Dan_E (62da4f67@c-98-218-79-103.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 16 hours, 50 minutes ago stating (Quit: http://chat.efnet.org {}).
19:52 <+Netham45> dan was on yesterday
19:52 <@Andy_J> yeah, that's totally ignoring us
19:52 <@Andy_J> :)
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19:52 < Barrett> wow.. I weigh 5 less pounds than I did a week ago... and I only ran 2 miles last week
19:52 <@BrandonW> Dan wanted us to disassemble MirageOS.
19:52 < SirCmpwn> bsparks: ever email the dev of a piece of software on ticalc that is more than 3 yrs old?  there are never *ever* replies.  and dan is great
19:52 <@BrandonW> He waited six years for someone to finally do it.
19:52 <+Netham45> hmm
19:52 <+Netham45> how old is MirageOS?
19:52 < bsparks> 8?
19:53 < SirCmpwn> y dont we just ask dan sometime?
19:53 <@BrandonW> Maybe 9 or 10 now.
19:53 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, ask Dan what?
19:53 <@BrandonW> We could, but we want to know right now.
19:53 < SirCmpwn> true.  so guessing is better.
19:53 <@BrandonW> If we REALLY REALLY wanted to know, we could look it up.
19:53 < bsparks> What are we asking Dan now?
19:53 < bsparks> oh, right, age of MOS
19:54 < SirCmpwn> ah.  we r asking him a multitude of questions
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19:54 <+Netham45> this conversation is hard to follow.
19:54 < SirCmpwn> how did we get off the topic of Dr. Pepper again? ;)
19:54 < bsparks> Netham45, at least most of us are using close to near proper english? :)
19:54 <@Andy_J> some stuff was from 2000
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19:55 < SirCmpwn> hey, just out of curiosity, how do you emulate one type of processor on the exact same kind of processor?
19:55 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, First, you need to be MV, then it's easy.
19:55 <@BrandonW> You could either set up memory and hardware to act like the device you're emulating and just let the code execute natively, or you could write a real emulator.
19:56 <@BrandonW> Emu8x is the former.
19:56 <@BrandonW> Well, not really.
19:56 <@BrandonW> It's...it's Emu8x.
19:56 <@Andy_J> hypervisor
19:56 < calcdude> if it meets the Popek and Goldberg virtualization requirements, then it is easier. You write a hypervisor...
19:57 < calcdude> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popek_and_Goldberg_virtualization_requirements
19:58 < bsparks> I should get around to writing a bit.ly generator script 
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19:59 < Randomist> What do I need to do to convince Putty on Windows to display UTF-8/Unicode and Linux-terminal line drawing characters correctly?
19:59 < merthsoft> is Viore an alright brand of TV?
19:59 < bsparks> Viore?
19:59 <@Andy_J> Randomist: tell it to use utf-8 :)
19:59 <+Netham45> I have never heard of Viore
19:59 <@BrandonW> Me neither.
20:00 < bsparks> I think Vizio is as cheap as I'll go
20:00 <@BrandonW> I have a 22" Vizio LCD.
20:00 <+Netham45> Vizio is like one step above Walmart brand.
20:00 <@Andy_J> I like my Vizio
20:00  * calcdude is confused! :)
20:00 <+Netham45> I has a sony bravio. ^_^
20:00 <@Andy_J> ewww sony
20:00 <@BrandonW> My plasma TV is a Walmartized Panasonic.
20:01 < merthsoft> well, i'm looking for a 26ish" HD tv
20:01 < merthsoft> for around 300 dollars
20:01 <+rcfreak0> Sony bravio ftw
20:01 <+Netham45> I have a what I think is 28" Toshiba TV, it looks pretty decent.
20:01 <@nikky> I don't have a tv
20:01 <@BrandonW> I got a 32" Samsung LCD many months ago from Wal-Mart, display model without stand, $330.
20:02 < SirCmpwn> RAWR! VM troubles
20:02 < merthsoft> BrandonW: Do you like it?
20:02 <@BrandonW> Yes. I had to wall-mount it, but it works well.
20:02 < Randomist> SirCmpwn:  Virtual {memory,machine}?
20:02 < SirCmpwn> machine
20:02 < merthsoft> how much would the stand have been?
20:03 <@BrandonW> From Samsung? More money than I would've spent, I'm sure.
20:03 <@BrandonW> I had an old wall-mount from an old 37" that I used.
20:03 < SirCmpwn> i just got a nice sony with a reciever that i like
20:04 < SirCmpwn> everything works together without me having to plead w/it
20:04 < merthsoft> I can't wallmount is the issue
20:04 < merthsoft> so I'd need the stand. maybe i
20:04 < SirCmpwn> ebay.
20:04 < merthsoft> ll just go to walmart and look around
20:05 < SirCmpwn> amazon.
20:05 < SirCmpwn> ever heard of the internet ;)
20:05 <+Netham45> You could build a stand easially enough out of a couple feet of 2x4
20:05 <@BrandonW> You could check Samsung's site, they might replace it for cheap.
20:05 <@BrandonW> The only stands Wal-Mart sells are the giant $200 ones.
20:05 <@BrandonW> Which I have.
20:05 < SirCmpwn> netham45 lol yeah cause that would look nice
20:05 < merthsoft> SirCmpwn: I'm on amazon right now, don't be a jackass
20:05 <+Netham45> SirCmpwn, ...
20:06 < SirCmpwn> srry not meant to be offensive
20:06 <@Andy_J> my Vizio came with a stand ...
20:06 <@Andy_J> if by 'stand' you mean a foot for it to set on a flat surface with
20:06 <+Netham45> BrandonW's only didn't have a stand because it was a display.
20:06 <@BrandonW> I do have one or two stands I'd be willing to part with. The odds of it matching your display are low, though.
20:06 < SirCmpwn> off topic, just curious: xkcd?
20:06 <+Netham45> by display, I mean a floor model.
20:07 <@BrandonW> One came from a 37" Element LCD, and the other was from the 50" Panasonic plasma.
20:07 < calcdude> what about XKCD?
20:07 < SirCmpwn> knowledge of its existence
20:07  * calcdude _reads_ XKCD
20:07 <@Andy_J> I think most of us here read xkcd religiously
20:07 < merthsoft> should I assume it won't come with a stand?
20:07 <+rcfreak0> Andy_J, ++
20:07 < merthsoft> http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-22-22-1080p-Class-28VA22LFHDTV10T-29/dp/B001KVCE1G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=tv&qid=1263845183&sr=1-3 like this
20:07 < merthsoft> does it have a satnd?
20:08 <+Netham45> merthsoft, I'd assume it DOES have a stand
20:08 <@BrandonW> Agreed.
20:08 <+Netham45> there's one pictured
20:08 <@BrandonW> My not having a stand was just a special circumstance.
20:08 < SirCmpwn> http://xkcd.com/309/
20:08 < merthsoft> ah, ok
20:08 < SirCmpwn> the topic of this board is not good to discuss among nerds
20:08 < calcdude> yes! this one!
20:08 <@BrandonW> That seems like way too much money to me, for such a small display.
20:08 <@Andy_J> this is not a board
20:09 <@Andy_J> this is a channel
20:09  * SirCmpwn scoffs at andy
20:09 <+Netham45> merthsoft, you could get a PC 22" LCD with HDMI and a tuner box for cheaper
20:10 < merthsoft> hmm
20:10 <@BrandonW> If I were going to spend close to $300 on a 22" LCD, I wouldn't get Vizio.
20:10 <+Netham45> I paid like $190 for my 22" PC LCD a couple years ago. Mine is only 1680.1050, though
20:11 <@nikky> xkcd isn't funny
20:11 <@nikky> and is retarded
20:11 < SirCmpwn> nikky fails @ humor ;)
20:11 < calcdude> Kill nicky!
20:11 < SirCmpwn> and i fail at spelling humour
20:11 <@BrandonW> s/xkcd/nikky/
20:11 <@BrandonW> I made an s/ joke!
20:11 <@BrandonW> I think.
20:11 <+rcfreak0> lol
20:11 <+Netham45> haha
20:11 < calcdude> that is the american spelling, SirCmpwn
20:12 < merthsoft> I could get a refurbished 24" for 250
20:12 < SirCmpwn> i am an american after all
20:12 <+Netham45> merthsoft, if it has a warranty, I don't see why not.
20:12 < calcdude> wait. "humor" is american. Curse ambiguity!
20:13 <@BrandonW> I don't think I've ever gotten a warranty on anything.
20:13 <+Netham45> mfg warranty is what I meant
20:13 < SirCmpwn> ...?
20:13 <@BrandonW> I don't think I've ever gotten an extended warranty on anything.
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20:17 < SirCmpwn> anyone know of a windows program that is similar to Lynx?
20:17 < calcdude> yeah. lynx
20:17 < merthsoft> 26" insignia for 310.
20:17 <@Andy_J> ^
20:18 < SirCmpwn> *Windows*
20:18 <+Netham45> I've had a few insignia devices, I havn't been impressed by quality.
20:18 < i_c-Y> lame.
20:18 < i_c-Y> SirCmpwn: lynx on cygwin.
20:18 < SirCmpwn> already found it
20:18 < calcdude> there _is_ a windows version
20:18 <+Netham45> SirCmpwn, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lynx+for+windows
20:19 < i_c-Y> lynx probably runs on windows natively anyway
20:19 < SirCmpwn> i have found it you sheeple!
20:20 <+Netham45> ...
20:21  * Netham45 wonders what would happen if one wore 3D stereoscopic glasses and looked at greyscale on an 84
20:21 < calcdude> http://xkcd.com/610/
20:21 < calcdude> what?
20:21  * calcdude is confused
20:22 <+jr19> whats confusing about that
20:23 <+jr19> they're all thinking the same thing
20:24 < bsparks> calcdude, did you miss the mouseover text?
20:24 < calcdude> no, no. netham's remark
20:24 <+jr19> that too
20:24 < bsparks> ah
20:25 <+Netham45> ah
20:26 <+Netham45> not sure, I just wanted to try it. :P
20:26 < JoeYoung> holy crap
20:26 < JoeYoung> I just realized this.
20:26 < SirCmpwn> i think it is a goood idea.  who has 3d stereoscopic glasses?
20:26 < JoeYoung> I could use my sprite routine for battle animations....
20:27  * JoeYoung facepalms
20:27  * SirCmpwn got his VM working :D
20:28 < SirCmpwn> http://www.hanselman.com/babysmash/ a friend of mine made this a while back and I was thinking about it for some reason
20:30 <+jr19> bang on the keyboard without hurting things?
20:30 < SirCmpwn> yes.
20:30 <+jr19> his baby must be different than mine
20:30 < SirCmpwn> perhaps.  i have never met the little demon
20:31 <+jr19> mine will break things
20:32 < SirCmpwn> The best birth control is babysitting
20:32 < bsparks> You say that
20:33 < bsparks> What do YOU suppose that 18yo girl does after the baby is put to bed? _not_ call her boyfriend over? :)
20:33 < SirCmpwn> lol maybe i personally dont stay up watching what the 18 yo girl does w/her bf ;)
20:34 < Genolo> what do you guys use for web browsers
20:34 <+rcfreak0> ff
20:34 < SirCmpwn> ie, firefox, *lynx* lol
20:34 < SirCmpwn> occasionally chrome
20:34 < SirCmpwn> im not picky
20:34 <+rcfreak0> ff and opera. safari sometimes*
20:35 < calcdude> ff and chrome
20:35 < SirCmpwn> portableapps.com - i take everything with, so usually firefox
20:37 < SirCmpwn> ff is only good cause of the add iins
20:39 < bsparks> I use Stainless.app and sometimes Sunrise.app
20:39 < bsparks> Chromium on my netbook
20:39 < SirCmpwn> hey i breifly talked to Brandon about this, but is it easy to add a hook to the parser and preview/modify a line of Basic code before executing it?
20:40 <@BrandonW> In a word, no.
20:40 <@BrandonW> But you can do it.
20:40 <@BrandonW> What exactly are you wanting to do?
20:40 < calcdude> debugging, maybe?
20:40 < SirCmpwn> If a line is preceeded by a "*" i want to execute my stuff.  calcdude hit the nail right on the head
20:41 < bsparks> Randomist, is LMMS the best music creation software ever, aka, is it worth me waiting the 24+ hours now for the install?
20:41 <@BrandonW> You...might be able to do that.
20:41 < SirCmpwn> i also need to remove the "*" before the line finishes executing so that it doesnt throw an error
20:42 < bsparks> ask Imbian 
20:42 <@BrandonW> You would have to take control when the parser encounters the * token and see if the token before it (going backwards is not easy, but because you're looking for the start of the program or a newline, I think you can get away with it) is a newline.
20:42 < bsparks> *Iambian 
20:42 <@BrandonW> If so, then you can skip ahead to the next token and let the parser continue.
20:42 < calcdude> interactive debugging is more interesting to me...
20:42 < Randomist> bsparks:  It works for me, but it likes to bit a PITA at times.
20:42 < Genolo> god damn
20:42 < Genolo> i need a good terminal emulator
20:42 < Randomist> It needs some more development love.
20:43 < SirCmpwn> Could i take control when it hits a newline token, and stop there, check if the next one is a "*" and continue if it isnt?
20:43 < E-J> http://blog.starwreck.com/2010/01/18/iron-sky-marketing-mistaken-for-news-moon-nazis-become-a-frightening-reality/
20:43 <@BrandonW> No, because the parser hook won't fire on a newline.
20:43 <@BrandonW> There's no reason to pass it to you.
20:43 <@BrandonW> It's nothing.
20:44 < SirCmpwn> hmmm.  Okay, i can try the first solution.  What if I want to capture errors that happen?
20:44 <@BrandonW> Errors in parsing?
20:44 <@BrandonW> You can't.
20:44 < calcdude> how feasible is interactive debugging? Like on HP's calcs, for example?
20:44 <@BrandonW> There's no smart way to recover from such a situation.
20:44 < SirCmpwn> Can I anticipate errors?
20:44 <@BrandonW> No, because if it succeeds, then you parsed it, and you have to skip it.
20:45 <@BrandonW> And if you have If/Thens and stuff, that complicates things even further.
20:45 <@BrandonW> calcdude, I've never used one so I don't know. What does it do?
20:45 < SirCmpwn> oh yes, conditionals suck in a debugger as I found out with my BASIC version
20:46 < SirCmpwn> and if the user wants to continue execution after an error, so be it.  The target users are devs, they would know the consequences
20:46 < calcdude> statement-by-statement, possibly breakpoints, editing the program in real-time...
20:46 <@BrandonW> Out of the question. The way the BASIC parser stores return points and everything on the stack would be an absolute nightmare to dynamically fix if you insert/delete code and whatnot.
20:47 < SirCmpwn> can we use Progger?
20:47 <@BrandonW> For what? It barely does anything.
20:47 < calcdude> oh well. the only solution is to make your own parser, then, isn't it?
20:47 <@BrandonW> Which pretty much means rewrite the language.
20:47 < SirCmpwn> well i would obviously finish it first
20:48 <@BrandonW> Breakpoints I could possibly see, if you kept a table of offsets and used the parser hook to check it each time.
20:48 <@BrandonW> But that would be really slow.
20:48 <@BrandonW> All of this is going to slow down BASIC programs to the point that you're losing any insane speed you were getting in the first place with what you were doing.
20:49 < DrDnar> Perhaps BBC BASIC would be more hackable.
20:49 < calcdude> i never said that the debugger would always be active...
20:50 < Randomist> bsparks:  Twenty-four hours?  What all you had to compile?  Qt libs, too?
20:50 <@BrandonW> I guess there are situations where it could be useful.
20:50 < SirCmpwn> can i preview a program before execution, and add "Asm(prgmMYPROG" at the line before the program executes, then remove the "*" so there arent any errors, and then go from there?
20:50 < SirCmpwn> i would just have to add the program "MYPROG" to memory b4 starting
20:50 < bsparks> Randomist, yeah :\ qt4 alone has been going since 8pm last night, and it's 3:50pm now
20:50 <@BrandonW> I don't really get it, but I guess, yeah.
20:51 <+Netham45> remove the *...
20:51 <+Netham45> you mean unarchive it?
20:52 <@BrandonW> No, he wants to put the * token in programs and have the parser make decisions about whether to execute the line based on that.
20:53 <+Netham45> ah
20:53 <+Netham45> what happens when you try to do multiplication?
20:53 < E-J> 365 thousand or 365 thousands?
20:53 < SirCmpwn> So i would make a program called MYPROG when the parser loads up to start a program.  A breakpoint is a line that starts with "*" and I can find all instances of "[newline]*" and get each breakpoint.  Then, I add a line of code preceeding the "*" line that says "Asm(prgmMYPROG" so that MYPROG is run whenever a breakpoint was specified.  Then, i delete the "*" from the next line to avoid errors.  Then, when MYPROG is run, it will break and enter the debugger
20:54 < bsparks> that hurts my head a little there
20:54 <@BrandonW> I think the hook would intercept the * token before attempting to parse it.
20:54 <+Netham45> or you could put a "pause" in there, and retrieve all vars from a PC.
20:55 <@BrandonW> It's too much work to actually insert/delete from the program. Just have the hook run the BASIC program MYPROG directly.
20:55 <@BrandonW> And don't delete the *, tell the parser to skip over it.
20:55 < SirCmpwn> Screw the hook.  When the program starts, i would go through and change every line that has a breakpoint ("*") to call prgmBREAK (or a similar name, whatever).  Then, I would have prgmBREAK stop, and go to the debugger where you can browse the code.
20:55 <@BrandonW> Believe it or not, that would be even more work.
20:56 <@BrandonW> And you have to worry about low memory conditions.
20:56 <@BrandonW> I think CalcUtil does something similar.
20:56 < SirCmpwn> And, MYPROG is the actual debugger code, so that i dont have to try and skip over the breakpoint or anything
20:57 < SirCmpwn> So, i should stop the hook at every "*" and check to see if it is at the beginning of a line, and if it is, go into the debug screen.  From there I can browse vars, change code, ect.  Then, just tell the debugger to skip the "*"?
20:58 <@BrandonW> Yeah, but you can't change code.
20:58 <@BrandonW> The parser is keeping offsets from the start of the program to keep track of While/End While return points and all that.
20:58 <@BrandonW> If you start mucking around with the size, you'll throw that off.
20:59 <@BrandonW> And it's impossible to hunt down all those offsets.
20:59 <@BrandonW> They're all over the hardware and operator stacks.
20:59 <@BrandonW> And lord knows where else.
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21:00 < Randomist> Yeesh.
21:01 < SirCmpwn> ah. ok.
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21:02 <@BrandonW> You MIGHT be able to insert "breakpoints" of where you want to insert or delete code, and then the parser can keep track of when those get hit and run/skip the code instead.
21:02 <@BrandonW> But I can't stress enough how much that will slow the parser down.
21:02 <@BrandonW> And make displaying the code (if that's your goal in your debugger thingy) that much more insane.
21:03 < SirCmpwn> Can I stop my hook when I hit a conditional (If,while,for,repeat) and keep my own stack of values that indicate the positions, and keep track of where the parser puts the values?
21:04 <@BrandonW> Possibly in theory maybe, but I think you'll end up digging so deep into the debugger to make that work that you'll lose your mind.
21:04 <@BrandonW> into the parser*
21:04 < SirCmpwn> Brandon, i have already lost my mind.
21:04 < SirCmpwn> I am trying to make a debugger for TI-Basic, for goodness sake
21:05 <@BrandonW> You'd still end up hardcoding all sorts of stack logic.
21:05 <@BrandonW> Stuff that could change between versions.
21:05 <@BrandonW> I think it would be inherently unstable.
21:05 < SirCmpwn> So no code changing.  Can I have the changes take place when the program exits?
21:05 <@BrandonW> Unless you simply replaced the OS' code for all those conditional tokens.
21:06 <@BrandonW> I think replacing the OS code is even more insane (I never even finished understanding that), but not impossible.
21:06 <@BrandonW> I guess you could.
21:06 < SirCmpwn> I think users would get pissed off if I changed the os code and they were unable to send their os to anyone else without running your 15 minute fix
21:06 <@BrandonW> I don't mean touching the OS, I mean duplicating what it does.
21:07 <@BrandonW> Except you keep track of the offsets.
21:07 < SirCmpwn> ah. i see.  that would be annoying.
21:07 <@BrandonW> This is why a BASIC parser rewrite is necessary...
21:07 <@BrandonW> You are wanting to do stuff the TI-OS just doesn't allow.
21:07 <@BrandonW> But would be good to have.
21:07 <@BrandonW> This is the whole point of OS2 and that whole concept.
21:07 < SirCmpwn> maybe i can stop on the conditionals, and on the "End"s, and then keep track of those?
21:07 < calcdude> how is OS2 getting along, anyway?
21:08 <@BrandonW> Keeping track of those and then handling things like Return is pretty much what the BASIC parser _is_. So at that point you're rewriting core pieces of it.
21:08 <@BrandonW> Which is fine, it's just a shit-ton of work.
21:08 <@BrandonW> OS2 is going very slowly, I have a lot of other stuff to do first.
21:09 < SirCmpwn> What my debugger I already have (written in TI-Basic) does is execute each line one at a time and stop at breakpoints and such by copying each line into a new program, then running the new program.  I interpret all the conditionals (which is slow as hell in TI-Basic)
21:10 <@BrandonW> Programs just aren't meant to be run that way (a line at a time), even though that's how we perceive it.
21:11 < SirCmpwn> I could half-rewrite the debugger.  I could have it execute non-conditional lines one at a time in a seperate program, and keep track of conditionals myself?
21:11 <@BrandonW> I think you'd be better off letting the OS do what it does best, which is execute the whole thing all at once. And use a hook to intercept conditionals and handle them more or less the same way.
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21:12 <@BrandonW> But what do I know, I don't claim to understand the entire BASIC parser.
21:12 <@BrandonW> It's a really huge, ambitious project, but I hope it works out.
21:14 < SirCmpwn> thanks.  I will probably publish my TI-Basic version and get started on an App version
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21:16 < SirCmpwn> BrandonW: do you know what the assembly program S3 is?
21:16 <@BrandonW> No.
21:17 < SirCmpwn> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/405/40549.html
21:17 < SirCmpwn> it is a very useful program that I am not sure how my debugger would handle
21:18 < bsparks> I have no idea what that is supposed to be doing?
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21:18 <@efneTI92> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
21:19 < SirCmpwn> It jumps to a label from inside of your TI-Basic program and comes back to where you called it from when it hits "Return"
21:19 < bsparks> That seems... like an excuse for lazy BASIC code
21:19 <@nikky> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/425/42532.html
21:20 < SirCmpwn> It is *super* useful by letting you have subroutines without extra programs
21:20 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, I can do subroutines without extra programs just fine :)
21:20 < bsparks> nikky, <3
21:20 < SirCmpwn> omg u used lowercase letters in a TI-Basic program they take up twice the space ;) lol
21:21 <@BrandonW> That code is an absolutely insane and unstable way to do what that is doing.
21:21 <@BrandonW> I'm truly scared to run that.
21:21 < SirCmpwn> bsparks, it makes it a ton easier, plus you shouldnt require your user to provide the right type of Ans
21:21 < _Digital> what would make for a more efficient cooling coil. 1/4" copper tubing or 1/8" copper tubing?
21:21 < SirCmpwn> Brandon: i use it all the time
21:21 < _Digital> given they have the same wall thickness
21:22 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, I am now really really curious what your BASIC code looks like for anything
21:22 <@BrandonW> I'm not criticizing, I mean I'm sure it works, but it's messing with the operator stack when you can't guarantee that's the same across OS versions.
21:22 < bsparks> _Digital, 1/4" 
21:22 <@BrandonW> What it SHOULD do is execute itself but skip basic_pc all the way to the label.
21:22 <@BrandonW> So that when it returns, it backs out back to where the assembly program was originally called.
21:23 < _Digital> bsparks, how do you know? 
21:23 < bsparks> _Digital, larger surface area and more theoretical throughput for whatever fluid you are moving for coolant 
21:24 < SirCmpwn> Brandon: ?
21:24 < bsparks> also, 1/4" is the standard on refridgeration 
21:24 < bsparks> My spelling of refrigeration there, was not the standard.
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21:25 < SirCmpwn> come again?
21:25 < _Digital> bsparks, but surfacen area to vlume ratio is what actually what matters, not just pur surface area
21:25 <@BrandonW> 	ld bc, $5FAF		;The following are the same pushes made by the TI-OS.
21:25 <@BrandonW> 	call push_bc_ops	;I have no idea what they mean, only that they
21:25 <@BrandonW> 	ld bc, $5A67		;are always the same. This permits returning properly.
21:25 <@BrandonW> Those values are the return addresses for nested BASIC programs.
21:25 < bsparks> !
21:25 < bsparks> HELL YES
21:25 <@BrandonW> They are OS-dependent.
21:26 <@BrandonW> Version-dependent.
21:26 < bsparks> Staging qt4-mac into destroot
21:26 < bsparks> _finally_
21:26 < _Digital> nice
21:26 < SirCmpwn> ah. sortof understood among bsparks and _Digital
21:27 < bsparks> also, _Digital, you make a valid point. I would have just assumed that the 1/4in would be able to move a high volume past the surface area, thus cooling faster. 
21:27 <@BrandonW> I can see needing to access the operator stack to get the name of the BASIC program that called you (so you know where to look for the label), but that other stuff is unnecessary.
21:27 < SirCmpwn> Hmm.  My C# program i mentioned earlier relies on this quite heavily. Do you know of an alternitave? (crud)
21:28 <@BrandonW> If it works for you, it's fine.
21:28 <@BrandonW> I'm just kind of irked by that.
21:28 < SirCmpwn> Could it be made smaller? Harder? Better? Faster? Stronger?
21:28 <@BrandonW> We can rebuild him.
21:28 <@BrandonW> Better. Faster. Stronger.
21:29 < SirCmpwn> Hmmm...
21:29 < bsparks> I wonder how long the Staging is gonna take now, Building took well over 20 hours
21:29 < bsparks> BrandonW, we don't have the kind of cash lying around for a $6mil man
21:30 <@BrandonW> But we can create the Six Million Dollar Calculator.
21:30 < SirCmpwn> So, i have exp coding Asm programs, but not OSes or Apps.  Where should I go to learn how to write code that executes from ROM?
21:30 < bsparks> We can!
21:30 <@BrandonW> AppGuru? From education.ti.com.
21:31 < Randomist> ./Xentrifuge
21:31 <@BrandonW> It's about the same, except you're executing from bank 1 instead of bank 2 (4000h-7FFFh vs. 8000h-0BFFFh), and there's no self-modifying code.
21:31 <@BrandonW> And no BCALLs that rely on pointers to RAM.
21:31 < SirCmpwn> oh gods.  I have to go through offical channels with people who suck?
21:31 <@BrandonW> So you can't use _PutS and stuff like that.
21:31 < SirCmpwn> How do i determine which ones go through ram?
21:32 <@BrandonW> You just have to know (there aren't many...pretty much just the string display routines like _PutS and _VPutS).
21:32 <@BrandonW> You have to implement them yourself, which take about 10 seconds (a loop of _PutC or _VPutMap).
21:33 < SirCmpwn> Fun.  What is the difference between accessing the RAM and ROM?  For instance "ld hl,(0000h)" should point to RAM, how do I make it point to ROM?
21:33 <@BrandonW> That gets a value from ROM page 0.
21:34 <@BrandonW> Whether it's RAM or ROM (or which page) depends on which page is swapped into that bank.
21:34 < SirCmpwn> And how do I choose?
21:34 <@BrandonW> 0000h-3FFFh is bank 0 (it's always ROM page 0), 4000h-7FFFh is bank 1, 8000h-0BFFFh is bank 2, and 0C000h-0FFFFh is bank 3.
21:34 < SirCmpwn> and so on...?
21:34 <@BrandonW> Port 6 controls what's swapped into bank 1, port 7 controls what's in bank 2, and port 5 controls what's in bank 3.
21:35 <@BrandonW> You can't address anything past 0FFFFh.
21:35 <@BrandonW> There are only 4 banks.
21:35 < SirCmpwn> Ah.  Got it.  And what changes with falsh locked/unlocked?
21:35 <@BrandonW> That's controlled through port 14h, and Flash unlocked means you can write to most any Flash page (except the boot page(s)) and read from the certificate.
21:36 < SirCmpwn> Is there any way to read/write to boot pages?
21:36 <@BrandonW> No, it's permanently write-locked.
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21:37 <@efneTI92> [Tyler2] I no longer speak fluent dialup.
21:37 <+doc_who> theres a metroid on the 68ks?
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21:38 < SirCmpwn> And if i were to write an OS, would the .org be like, 0000h?  (OS development is signifigantly less documented)
21:38 <@BrandonW> It's complicated because it's split up into many pages. There is no solid OS development environment, it's whatever you want.
21:38 <@BrandonW> People usually write a page at a time.
21:38 <@BrandonW> Page 0 would start at 0000h, yes, but the others would start at 4000h.
21:38 <@BrandonW> Because they're always swapped into bank 1.
21:38 < SirCmpwn> I took a look at OS2 and got some of what it is doing.
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21:44 <+kirsk> hello
21:44 < SirCmpwn> hi
21:44 <+doc_who> hi
21:45 < SirCmpwn> sup
21:45 <+kirsk> bored
21:45 <+doc_who> me and notepad++ had makeup sex
21:45 < _Digital> bsparks, well I'm actually cooling air. I'm making a closed system evaporative cooler
21:45 <+doc_who> it turns out it was a font was cached badly
21:45 <+jr19> kirsk: i tried looking for those videos on lunch and didnt see it
21:45 <+kirsk> i thought evaporative coolers were always open
21:45 <+jr19> the football ones
21:46 < bsparks> _Digital, I'd still go with 1/4", but 1/8" should do you just as well
21:46 <+kirsk> ah
21:46 < _Digital> yeah, I think I should do that, ty
21:47 <+kirsk> jr19: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwoQxaIeS2E
21:47 <+jr19> ok i'll look later
21:47 < bsparks> _Digital, custom order 1/6"
21:47 < _Digital> lol
21:47 <+kirsk> funniest squats ive ever seen
21:48 <+jr19> i saw some videos where they were using rubber bands or something
21:48 < _Digital> 1/4" I should go with. I need to maintain cfm so 1 or 2 1/4" is cheaper and easier for construction than 4 or 5 1/8" as well
21:48 <+kirsk> theres a ridiculous benchpress vid with elastic bands yeah
21:49 < bsparks> _Digital, verily 
21:49 <+jr19> i dont understand the elastic bands really
21:49 < SirCmpwn> if u r bored go look up the popup video for never gonna give you up
21:49 <+jr19> isn't there already resistance from the weight
21:49 <+kirsk> yeah but not dynamic resistance
21:50 <+kirsk> they have their purpose, though highly specific
21:50 < _Digital> bungie cords ftw!
21:50 < bsparks> SirCmpwn, laaame. Bad Romance is the new rick roll
21:50 < bsparks> _Digital, YES! And ratcheting straps!
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21:51 < SirCmpwn> I enjoy reminicing
21:52 < SirCmpwn> remember the duckroll?
21:54 < Randomist> Remember Duck Tape?
21:55 < bsparks> FINALLY "fetching lmms"
21:55 < Randomist> I would never get rid of Qt after having to wait that long.  :P
21:55 < bsparks> haha
21:56 < SirCmpwn> hey those of you who run linux r u up 4 something fun and awesome?
21:57 < Randomist> What is this fun and awesomeness?
21:57 < SirCmpwn> do u have a live disc?
21:57 < Randomist> Yes, I do.
21:57 < SirCmpwn> do u have a computer minus and os or a computer whos HDD u dont mind losing all the data on?
21:57 <+doc_who> SirCmpwn, `:(){:|:&};:` ?
21:58 < SirCmpwn> minus an os*
21:58 < Randomist> I have a Flash stick I can plug into my server that I don't mind losing all the data on, if that counts.  :P
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22:00 < bsparks> HOLY SHIT, qt4-mac's source was 5gb
22:01 < Randomist> Yeeesh!
22:01 < Randomist> Y'all don't have binaries for that?
22:01 < bsparks> Idk, I just downloaded macports, and hit up "install lmms" command and let it go
22:04 <+doc_who> SirCmpwn, rm -rf / ?
22:05 < i_c-Y> bsparks: looks like you have a broken port or something.
22:07 < bsparks> No, looks fine to me
22:07 <+ports> bsparks:  im on your computer!
22:08 <+ports> _Digital:  in practice.. there is no such thing as a closed loop evaporative cooler.
22:09 <+ports> _Digital:  not really in theory either.. since the nature of evaporative cooling requires a water loss
22:10 <+kirsk> yay i thought right
22:11 < Genolo> doc_who: how does i forkbombed computer
22:11 <+ports> kirsk:  kirsk  so at the gym yesterday.. this guy was squating. 6 x 45 lbs...
22:12 <+ports> kirsk:  and he was using the 45 lb bar..  it was so much weight that the bar was actually flexing around his neck/back
22:12 <+doc_who> Genolo, are you on windows now?
22:12 <+kirsk> yeah that happens
22:12 < Genolo> i'm on my desktop right now
22:12 <+ports> kirsk:  ive never seen someone flex that bar before
22:12 < Genolo> Linux puppypc 2.6.30.5 #1 SMP Tue Sep 1 15:48:26 GMT-8 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
22:12 < Genolo> 192mb of ram
22:13 <+kirsk> really? that isnt even a very heavy squat
22:13 <+kirsk> it kinda starts to bend beyond 300
22:13 <+jr19> yeah that's not that heavy at all
22:13 <+ports> kirsk:  not very many guys squat at my gym.. not heavy weights anyway
22:13 <+kirsk> i believe you
22:13 <+ports> ive seen someone bench over 300 lb before... but i didnt see the bar flex
22:14 <+kirsk> hmm
22:14 <+ports> i also happened to be lifting behind that guy.. so i noticed it more since he was right there
22:14 <+kirsk> ah yes
22:15 <+ports> kirsk:  im starting to squat
22:15 <+kirsk> yay
22:15 <+ports> but im using this
22:15 <+ports> http://us.commercial.web2.lifefitness.com/content.cfm/v-squat
22:15 <+kirsk> better be past parallel
22:15 <+kirsk> oh
22:15 <+kirsk> thats not squatting
22:16 <+kirsk> thats more like.. a standing leg press or something
22:16 <+ports> ok
22:16 <+ports> well thats what im doing
22:16 <+kirsk> ok
22:16 <+ports> im afraid of doing regular squats like that monster guy on my own
22:16 <+jr19> why afraid
22:16 <+ports> i really cant risk a physical injury
22:16 <+kirsk> thats why you start with less than 350lbs
22:17 <+ports> lol
22:17 <+kirsk> if anything, machines will give you a physical injury much faster than free weights i can tell you that
22:17 <+ports> kirsk:  350 lbs would break my back
22:17 <+ports> kirsk:  i dunno.. that machine feels pretty good.. i can keep my back straight and shoulders even
22:17 <+kirsk> though youre not very tall so maybe youre not as prone to it
22:18 <+kirsk> i started with machines ones when i was even more of an idiot than i am
22:18 <+kirsk> now
22:18 <+ports> jr19:  and once my plant starts running this week... im going to be doing a lot of physical labor.
22:19 < sir_lewk> mothercocks
22:21 <+ports> jr19:  im going to switch my ab workout from that ab torsion.. its apparently bad for your spine
22:21 <+kirsk> ab workout should involve stability not lower lumbar flexion or extension
22:21 < SirCmpwn> oops, i was going to say, it is a fun exercise to boot into linux and open the terminal, then type "sudo fdisk root" and hit enter.  Then, attempt to do anything while the operating system crumbles around your mouse
22:22 <+ports> kirsk: yeah im switching to the captains chair thing
22:22 <+kirsk> lumbar part of the spine shouldnt move more than 15 degrees under load, none at all under heavy load
22:22 <+ports> http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/abdominalcorestrength1/qt/captains_chair.htm
22:23 <+jr19> abs are my least favorite thing to work on
22:23 <+ports> who likes to work on abs?
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22:23 <+kirsk> squats are for abs
22:23 <+ports> squats are for everything
22:23 <+jr19> spiking volleyballs is for abs
22:24 <+jr19> or maybe abs are for spiking volleyballs?
22:24 <+kirsk> squats and strict military press
22:26 <+jr19> in 5 minutes i'll be off to do curls curls and more curls
22:26 <+kirsk> fuck yeah bodyweight barbbell curls
22:26 < SirCmpwn> Wow.
22:26 < SirCmpwn> Just wow.
22:26 <+jr19> standing curls, sitting curls, preacher curls, curls for the gurls
22:27 <+kirsk> reverse curls
22:27 <+kirsk> shower curls!
22:27 <+jr19> oh yeah
22:27 <+kirsk> shower curls are best
22:27 < bsparks> http://pastebin.com/m5ca5928 waaat? what is this, what is going on? I am so confused as to what these error messages are >.<
22:28 <+ports> later guys
22:28 <+kirsk> bb
22:28 < SirCmpwn> cya
22:28 <+ports> i gotta go clean my apartment
22:28 <+ports> tonight's gonna be a good good night!
22:28 <+ports> i got a feeling.. ooooh ooooh
22:28 <+kirsk> oh god
22:29 < SirCmpwn> geez shut up and leave b4 u kill us all
22:31 <+kirsk> why does that gypsy guy on heroes have to talk in such an increadibly annoying way
22:31 < _Digital> because they hate you krisk
22:32 < E-J> gybsies always talk in increadibly annoying way
22:33 < E-J> among other things they do
22:35 < E-J> i heard somewhere that some gybsy women were caught on grocery store when they tried to carry 2 plastic bags full of ciders under their skirt
22:35 < _Digital> they try and steal stuff from Disneyland all the time
22:35 < E-J> or was it so that one of them had 2 plastic bags full of ciders under her skirt
22:35 < SirCmpwn> i wish i were an oscar mayer weiner
22:36 < Genolo> you are
22:36 < SirCmpwn> for that is what id really love to be
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22:37 -!- OscarMaye is now known as SirCmpwn
22:37 < SirCmpwn> lol
22:37 < i_c-Y> patz2009: howd ustream work out on the router?
22:39 < E-J> _Digital: here one joke about gybsies goes "hai there, catch that man, he has knife in back, it's my knife!"
22:40 < _Digital> lol
22:40 < _Digital> SirCmpwn, how'd did you find out about #tcpa
22:42 < SirCmpwn> ticalc.org
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22:42 <@efneTI92> [KermEEE] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
22:43 < E-J> for coin, is it thickness or gauge?
22:44  * E-J is writing his thesis in english
22:44 < _Digital> that is a feat
22:44 < SirCmpwn> _Digital: y?
22:44 < _Digital> don't worry about it SirCmpwn 
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22:45 < Randomist> English is serious business.
22:46 <+kirsk> sex is serious business
22:46 <+kirsk> sex beer and japan
22:48 < SirCmpwn> rawr.  all of these questions.  full keyboard? yesish. find out about this channel? ticalc.org.
22:49 < leofox> what, new people
22:49 < _Digital> new annoying people
22:49 < SirCmpwn> :P
22:49 <+kirsk> hi leofox
22:49 <+kirsk> avatar was AMAZING
22:49 < SirCmpwn> true
22:49 < leofox> SirCmpwn: #tcpa 101: 1. we don't talk about calculators 2. we all hate each other 3. you will be kicked for no reason
22:49 < leofox> kirsk: kaltxì ma tsmukan
22:50 < leofox> it was great wasnt it :D
22:50 <+kirsk> ;3
22:50 < leofox> i'm going to see it again
22:50 < leofox> I think it's the only movie I wanted to see twice in the cinema
22:50 < SirCmpwn> leofox: fun.  im gonna use fiddler to see how I can have fun with this
22:50 <+kirsk> im thinking i need to see it with a tiny dose of shrooms or lsd
22:50 < rcmobile> lol krisk
22:51 <+kirsk> what do you think leofox
22:51 < Jonimus> ahh our lovable channel druggy kirsk.
22:51 < leofox> never did LSD
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22:51 < leofox> shrooms might fit better
22:51 <+kirsk> ah yeah
22:51 < rcmobile> that would be trippy tho lol
22:51 < _Digital> Limited slip difreential ;)
22:52 < leofox> I'm not going to do that in the cinema though
22:52 < leofox> I'm not really for tripping in public
22:52 <+kirsk> hence very small dose, just to give it an extra edge
22:52 < leofox> I found alcohol worked fine too
22:52 <+kirsk> think its the only valid tripping around normal people optiion
22:52 <+kirsk> hmm alcohol
22:53 < leofox> when it comes out on bluray I will pirate it
22:53 < _Digital> kriskm, you're special ,you don't count
22:53 <+kirsk> same
22:53 < leofox> then do everything to make 3d working on my pc
22:53 < leofox> and watch in on shrooms
22:53 < leofox> I know 3d works
22:53 <+kirsk> i had the same idea
22:53 < Randomist> Tripping in public is bad.
22:53 < leofox> I just need the glasses
22:53 <+kirsk> and a 120hz monitor
22:54 < leofox> no, it works without too
22:54 < leofox> I tried it
22:54 < leofox> but it's not as good
22:54 <+kirsk> oh cool
22:54 <+kirsk> yeah
22:54 < leofox> I set it up today
22:54 < leofox> but I didnt have the glasses
22:54 < leofox> and I wonder if scene groups will know how to make it work on 3d
22:54 < leofox> for PC
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22:54 < SirCmpwn> Fiddler didnt help me stick a space in the handle :(
22:54 <+kirsk> avatar actually made me want to get into the shrooms again
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22:58 < leofox> kirsk: shrooms are fun
22:58 <+kirsk> are they still available?
22:58 < leofox> nah
22:58 < leofox> but you have to make them yourself
22:58 < leofox> much cheaper, not difficult at all
22:58 <+kirsk> yeah ok
22:58 <+kirsk> takes a while though
22:58 < leofox> yeah
22:59 < leofox> and you get more than you would normally buy
22:59 <+kirsk> yeah
22:59 < leofox> but in my experience you always find someone to give them to
22:59 < rcmobile> #tcpa - shroom growing 101
22:59 <+kirsk> thats true
22:59 <+kirsk> wouldve wanted to get a small box short term though
22:59 <+doc_who> you grown 'em leofox ?
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23:02 < m1k3y> hewwo
23:02 < leofox> doc_who: my friend did it
23:02 < leofox> he bought a kit
23:02 < leofox> poored water in it
23:02 < leofox> waited a while
23:02 < leofox> ...
23:03 < leofox> shrooms!
23:03 <+kirsk> : o
23:03 < leofox> after that he bought a different kind
23:03 < rcmobile> lol a kit for shrooms? oO
23:03 < leofox> and he did a bit more advanced
23:03 < leofox> he bought 3 kits of fertile soil
23:03 < leofox> and a syringe thing with spores
23:03 <+kirsk> what kind of container?
23:03 < leofox> kirsk: just check azarius, they have all the info you need
23:03 < leofox> including forum links with help
23:04 <+kirsk> i know, but what did he use
23:04 < leofox> it was a special kit
23:04 < leofox> looked more or less like a chinese food box with a clear plastic bag on it
23:04 <+kirsk> hmhmm
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23:05 <+doc_who> you could do the pftek
23:06 <+kirsk> a friend of mine from amsterdam said he thinks they still sell them in the smartshops
23:06 <+kirsk> said theyd be gedoogd for a while longer
23:06 <+kirsk> according to at5
23:06 <+doc_who> can you still get syringes in amsterdam?
23:07 <+kirsk> syringes arent a problem
23:07 <+kirsk> i need some actual shrooms for the end of this month
23:07 <+kirsk> or perhaps even this weekend
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23:08 <@efneTI92> [KermM_] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
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23:10 < i_c-Y> doc_who: syringes aren't even a problem in the US
23:11 < i_c-Y> no prescription required and depending on where you live, may be provided for you by your muncipality.
23:11 <+kirsk> yeah
23:11 <+doc_who> i_c-Y, in some states they are
23:11 < i_c-Y> nobody cares about those states.
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23:12 < Spengo> i have a question
23:12 < Spengo> why do they sterilize syringes used for capital punishment?
23:13 <+kirsk> standard procedure
23:15 < Goplat> capital punishment in the US is done as inefficiently as possible
23:17 < i_c-Y> Spengo: if it fails.
23:17 < i_c-Y> they probably come sterilized anyway
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23:30 < Barrett> haha, I knew I heard this right when I was watching this yesterday: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/17/jim-nantz-calls-haiti-hai_n_426629.html
23:31 <@nikky> You read the hufingtonpost?
23:31 < Barrett> no
23:31 <@nikky> I'm so proud
23:31 < Barrett> I did a google search for "haitia" to see if I was correct
23:31 < Barrett> and they showed up with a working video
23:32 < leofox> huffpost is so leftwing
23:32 < Barrett> I hate the huffington post
23:32 < leofox> over here they want a Dutch huffpost
23:32 <@nikky> I love the huffingtonpost
23:32 < leofox> because all we have is Geenstijl and people say it's rightwing
23:32 < leofox> so leftwing people want huffpostnl
23:32 < Barrett> the huffington post is digg's favorite source of news
23:33 < Barrett> because diggtards are left wing tools 
23:33 <@nikky> DIAF BARRETT
23:33 < Barrett> die in a fire?
23:33 < E-J> what's so big that some guy says haiti as haitia?
23:33 <@nikky> yes
23:34 < Barrett> it's not a big deal, E-J... it's just funny
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23:34 < Barrett> I call Canada Canadia all the time (on purpose).. that's the same idea
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23:35 < E-J> in other news, new miss finland was elected at sunday, she thought at some quiz that h1n1 is nuclear bomb
23:35 < Barrett> haha
23:35 < E-J> and usa don't have capital
23:37 < E-J> actually that usa answer was "no capital city, it is made up of states"
23:38 < E-J> http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Viivi+Pumpanen+crowned+Miss+Finland+2010/1135252218752
23:39 <@nikky> meh
23:39 <@nikky> I don't even know a city in Finland
23:39 <@nikky> Besids the capital
23:39 < Barrett> anyone know where I can find the US constitution in pdf format with just 2 pages? (1 page front and back)
23:39 < E-J> nikky: not even espoo?
23:40 <@nikky> Constitution, what is that?
23:40 <@nikky> oh, good point
23:40 <@nikky> two cities
23:40 < E-J> nikky: some people though say that helsinki is only city in finland, rest are municipalities and towns
23:41 <@nikky> hah
23:42 <@chronomex> Barrett: use your favorite text layout engine to do tha
23:42 < E-J> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Helsinki
23:42 <@chronomex> t, the text is easy enough to find
23:42 < Barrett> never used a text layout engine before...
23:42 <@chronomex> msword, latex, nothing?
23:43 < _Digital> my eneloop AA's finally died after about 1.5 years of use in my V200
23:43 < E-J> btw what's difference between city and town?
23:44 <@chronomex> city is bigger
23:44 < _Digital> size
23:44 < Genolo> hey if you're connected to a boucner from different places and version said person it gives you all the clients
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23:44 <@chronomex> Genolo: no doubt that depends on the specific bouncer
23:44 < E-J> i mean how many people there should be that some place would be city
23:44 <@chronomex> I want to say 50,000 people
23:44 <@chronomex> or maybe 100,000
23:44 <@chronomex> depends on who you ask
23:45 < Jonimus> different states have different levels of incorperation to determines it
23:45 < Jonimus> iirc
23:46 <@chronomex> well the us census has a standard, and that's what I was thinking of
23:46 <@chronomex> us census has like 5-7 levels of named place size
23:46 < _Digital> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City
23:47 < E-J> chronomex: 50k and there are 19 cities in finland, 100k: 8 and 500k: 1
23:47 < E-J> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Finnish_municipalities_by_population
23:48 <@chronomex> ok
23:48 <@chronomex> my city is right around 500k in the city boundaries, rather over 1M if you include the whole urbanized area
23:49 <@nikky> hawhahwahaw
23:49 < E-J> greater helsinki is over 1M
23:49 <@nikky> seattle
23:49 < E-J> and there are 3 over 100k cities in area: helsinki, espoo and vantaa
23:49 < Genolo> now i remember why i wanted to boot into windows
23:49 < Genolo> fix my goddamn ipod touch
23:49 < Genolo> the thing is a piece of shit
23:49 < i_c-Y> lol lunix
23:50 <@nikky> lul
23:50 <@nikky> linspire++
23:50 <@chronomex> windows is piece of shit too
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23:50 < E-J> nikky: do you know what animal is in vantaa coat of arms?
23:50 < Genolo> i agree
23:50 <@nikky> beaver
23:50 <@chronomex> E-J: a rat?
23:50 <@nikky> Troll
23:50 <@chronomex> hahaha awesome
23:51 <@chronomex> wait
23:51 <@chronomex> is a troll an animal?
23:51 < Merth> no it's a flower
23:51 <@nikky> trout
23:51 < E-J> a fish called vanda
23:51 < E-J> vantaa's swedish name is vanda ... http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiedosto:Vantaa.vaakuna.svg
23:52 <@nikky> interesting
23:52 < E-J> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fish_Called_Wanda
23:53 <@nikky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myyrmanni_bombing
23:53 <@nikky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Terrorism_in_Finland
23:53 < i_c-Y> terrorist.
23:56 < E-J> did i say that i was born in vantaa, and my high school was just 1 km north from myyrmanni
23:57 <@nikky> orly
23:57 < E-J> though i had started to study at university at the time that bomb exploded
23:57 <@nikky> Have you been to that mall?
23:57 <@nikky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Math_lecture_at_TKK.JPG
23:57 < E-J> many times
23:58 < E-J> more before than after
23:58 <@nikky> woah woah
23:58 <@nikky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TFteknolog.jpg
23:58 <@nikky> hat?
23:58 < E-J> yes
23:59 < E-J> i have that kind of hat with smaller cockade
23:59 <@nikky> sweet
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