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00:00 < BrandonW> And come up with something far more vialbe.
00:00 < BrandonW> viable.*
00:00 <@nikky> why Randomist
00:00 <@nikky> tiling?
00:00 < Randomist> Yes.
00:00 < bsparks> !t Welcome to #tcpa | First GameBoy emulator test on TI-Nspire calculator! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rg4RdN2FAU
00:00 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to #tcpa | First GameBoy emulator test on TI-Nspire calculator! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rg4RdN2FAU
00:00 < sir_lewk> I hope TI cries when they see that video
00:00 <+Genolo> too long sir
00:00 < mokomull> no
00:00 <@nikky> Why tiling?
00:00 < mokomull> w/w
00:00 <+Genolo> er
00:00 < BrandonW> sir_lewk++
00:00 <+Genolo> i thought that entire thing was the topic
00:00 <+Genolo> damn you xchat
00:00 < mokomull> jesus christ didn't I just have this conversation with you guys less than 24-hours ago?
00:01 <@nikky> Is this ticalc newsworthy?
00:01 <@nikky> of so, yell at tev!
00:01 < sir_lewk> was that the first demo of code execution ont he nspire? a gameboy emulator is a pretty hardcore "hello world" proof of concept
00:01 < Randomist> mokomull: Which one?
00:01 < bsparks> nikky, it's fuckin engadget newsworthy!
00:01 < mokomull> Randomist: wms
00:01 < BrandonW> nikky, I really think we should wait until the exploit is public.
00:01 < BrandonW> So the internet can spread it once TI tries to silence it.
00:01 < Randomist> mokomull: I didn't do it! :P
00:01 <@nikky> awesome
00:01 <+Genolo> isn't it already public if we know about it
00:01 <@nikky> BrandonW: When will that be?
00:01 <+Genolo> are we not considered the public
00:01 < BrandonW> Yeah, but TI reads ticalc.org.
00:01 < BrandonW> We don't know if they know yet.
00:01 < E-J> my university's stand terminals use still fvwm2
00:02 < sir_lewk> Genolo: knowing it is possible, and knowing how it was done, are two different things
00:02 < BrandonW> nikky, I don't know, ExtendeD's working on it and is asking for our patience.
00:02 <@nikky> awesome
00:03 < Randomist> Upload it to Pirate Bay.
00:04 < BrandonW> Ti will try to shut this down when they find out and we won't have as strong a defense as we did with the signing keys.
00:04 < BrandonW> So we have to play this very carefully.
00:04 < BrandonW> T
00:04 < Randomist> Just say it's illegal, and people will start seeding it just because it's illegal. :P
00:04 < BrandonW> TI*
00:04 < millinao> just rapidshare it
00:04 < sir_lewk> keeping the information available once it is available is pie
00:04 < millinao> rapidshare or megaupload
00:04 < i_c-Y> 8rapidshit takes into account piracy.
00:04 < Randomist> millinao: Yuck.
00:05 <@nikky> wait, this isn't as defensible?
00:05 < sir_lewk> just fucking mirror it everywhere and let people get it, doesn't have to be anywhere in particular long
00:05 <@nikky> oh, nevermind
00:05 < BrandonW> nikky, correct.
00:05 < millinao> what is this yuck, rapidshare/MU is a legitimate place
00:05 <@nikky> I'm retarded
00:05 < BrandonW> I asked the EFF about it, we're on shaky ground with it.
00:05 <@nikky> yah, I know
00:05 <@nikky> I had a brain fart
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00:05 < BrandonW> I'm pretty sure that we can spread the knowledge of how the exploit works (once we get it), but hosting programs and executables is going to be icky.
00:06 < bsparks> very
00:06 < BrandonW> I would imagine we can publish all the games/programs we want, but obtaining the shell/launcher is the hard part.
00:06 <@nikky> right
00:06 * Randomist hums at the idea of a TI calculator BitTorrent tracker.
00:06 < BrandonW> Sort of like the PSP community.
00:06 <@nikky> the programs and games are fine
00:06 <+Genolo> i'll seed stuff
00:06 <+Genolo> i got new internets
00:06 < bsparks> I'll seed all day
00:06 -!- zsircusr [~TheStorm@241.251.226.166.in-addr.arpa] has joined #tcpa
00:06 <@efneTI92> [zsircusr] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
00:07 < sir_lewk> not like this will be the first time someone will be distributing something illegal on the internet
00:07 < BrandonW> Yeah, but TI's a big company, and we can't really fight that.
00:07 < Randomist> I got my RTorrent set up. Ready to seed things.
00:07 < BrandonW> They have a lot at stake with this, or at least they seem to think so.
00:07 <@nikky> I say we shut this project down
00:08 <@nikky> Don't anger TI
00:08 <@nikky> TI is a nice compnay
00:08 < bsparks> I vote we overthrow the Board of Directors for TI and take over
00:08 < Randomist> Yes!
00:08 < sir_lewk> we'll just have to be careful to not host it on "legit" calc sites
00:08 <@nikky> host it on omnimaga
00:08 <+Genolo> overthrow ti
00:08 < geekboy> ill seed and host
00:08 < geekboy> hey
00:08 < Randomist> nikky: Good idea.
00:08 <+Genolo> make brandonw chairman
00:08 < sir_lewk> can't host it on ticalc, blogs would be a bad idea too
00:08 <+Genolo> then he can hold ti captive
00:08 <@nikky> ticalc never does illegal things
00:08 <+Genolo> instead of the other way around
00:09 < sir_lewk> if I bought a share in ti, how much could I bitch to them?
00:09 < bsparks> we could buy majority share?
00:09 < BrandonW> About what you do now.
00:09 <@nikky> not at all
00:10 < Randomist> sir_lewk: Two cents.
00:10 < sir_lewk> oh well
00:10 < bsparks> if #tcpa owns 51% of TI
00:10 <+Genolo> start a donation drive and buy ti
00:10 <@nikky> My family owns a majority share of TI
00:10 <@nikky> Just FYI
00:11 < zsircusr> lol
00:11 < sir_lewk> I own exxon mobile stock because I hate alaskan wildlife
00:11 -!- zsircusr is now known as JoniPhone
00:11 <+Genolo> buy ti and then send me a 68k calc
00:11 < i_c-Y> http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4084&highlight=
00:11 <+Genolo> all i have are 3 83+'s and an 84+ silver
00:12 <+Genolo> i think i lost one of the 83+'s actually
00:12 < sir_lewk> I once traded a 83+ and a bag of cookies for an 86
00:12 <+Genolo> it was one of the blue ones
00:12 < JoniPhone> so what did I miss?
00:12 < E-J> TI's orginal name was southerland instruments, but they changed it to current one so no-one would know who really owns the company
00:12 <@nikky> Yeah
00:12 <@nikky> Exactly
00:13 < sir_lewk> JoniPhone: fuckin gameboy emulator running on the nspire!
00:13 < bsparks> Sadly, 'southerland instruments' sounds better
00:13 <@nikky> Nono, we would be much worse
00:13 <@nikky> Sue the balls off of everyone
00:13 <@nikky> For any dumb reason
00:13 < sir_lewk> but nikky
00:13 < sir_lewk> that is what they do
00:13 <@nikky> Report all games and programs that are copyright violations to their copyright holders
00:13 < JoniPhone> True Story
00:13 <@nikky> No, they send C&D letters
00:14 < sir_lewk> whatevs
00:14 < JoniPhone> lol
00:15 < sir_lewk> and exxon mobile doesn't club baby seals, they just dump oil on them
00:15 < sir_lewk> good enough for me though
00:15 < Randomist> "Nikky Instruments." Not to be confused with
00:15 < Randomist> "Kinky Instruments."
00:15 < geekboy> lol
00:15 < JoniPhone> lol
00:15 < sir_lewk> nikky == texas. I love it.
00:15 <@nikky> I hate texas
00:16 <+Genolo> i wish i could find my duckhunt nes cart
00:16 <+Genolo> i have the zapper
00:16 * geekboy gives Genolo one of his 3
00:16 < geekboy> wait
00:16 <+Genolo> the game beats the shit out of the wii's motion controls
00:16 < geekboy> do you want the duckhunt/mario combo
00:16 < i_c-Y> wii sucks ass.
00:16 < geekboy> or just duckhunt :P
00:17 < geekboy> i got both
00:17 < JoniPhone> sucks to be you Genolo
00:17 < sir_lewk> nikky: too bad
00:17 < sir_lewk> you are texas
00:17 <+Genolo> i only have a smb3 cart
00:17 <+Genolo> and perhaps smb2 i have to check
00:17 < Randomist> i_c-Y: Well, for one ninety, you get a media center that plays games. :P
00:17 < sir_lewk> smb2 == golden coins right?
00:17 * geekboy wants to make his zapper work with his computer XD
00:17 < sir_lewk> 6 golden coins was the best ever
00:17 < JoniPhone> sml2
00:17 <+Genolo> the six golder coins was
00:17 <+Genolo> indeed
00:17 <+Genolo> the best ever
00:18 < sir_lewk> soooooo good
00:18 <+Genolo> i agree
00:18 < JoniPhone> sml3 was pretty good too
00:18 < i_c-Y> Randomist: except you can get a Xbox360 for less.
00:18 < i_c-Y> that has games that epople might actually want to play
00:18 < sir_lewk> anybody know of a good gameboy emulator on linux?
00:19 < Randomist> sir_lewk: VisualBoyAdvanced?
00:19 < BrandonW> The one in the topic. :)
00:19 < JoniPhone> I never had sml2
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00:19 < JoniPhone> sir_lewk fceux
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00:19 <+Genolo> fceux is
00:19 < JoniPhone> aka fce ultra
00:19 <+Genolo> nes
00:19 < Randomist> sir_lewk: `yaourt -Ss gameboy`? :P
00:19 < JoniPhone> gnuboy
00:19 < sir_lewk> cool, I'll check them both out
00:19 <+Genolo> unless they changed it
00:19 < JoniPhone> mybad
00:20 < JoniPhone> gnuboy is what i meant
00:20 <+Genolo> i like gnuboy better but i use vba just because it does gba too
00:20 <+Genolo> i wish you could do zelda four swords over netplay
00:20 < Randomist> Hey, wait -- I have games!
00:21 <+Genolo> i have it on gamecube and two wires for gba to gamecube
00:21 <+Genolo> only one gba
00:21 <+Genolo> >_>
00:21 < sir_lewk> I just need it for 6 golden coins :)
00:21 < JoniPhone> i prefer gnuboy also
00:21 < sir_lewk> and maybe wario
00:21 < JoniPhone> aka sml3
00:21 < Randomist> I wish a GameCube emulator worked.
00:21 < Randomist> I lost my chance at getting a physical one for thirty dollars.
00:22 < i_c-Y> loser
00:22 < i_c-Y> dolphin?
00:22 < BrandonW> Did you guys notice the Nspire in the video is propped up by a 92?
00:22 <+Genolo> last time i played sml3 was on tiboy
00:22 < geekboy> no
00:22 < Randomist> BrandonW: Indeed.
00:22 <+Genolo> wait
00:22 <+Genolo> sml2*
00:22 < sir_lewk> nice, there is a framebuffer version of gnuboy
00:23 < sir_lewk> BrandonW: nice, I did not
00:23 < BrandonW> That might be an 89Ti on top of it, it's hard to tell.
00:23 < BrandonW> Which tells me that ExtendeD did the video.
00:23 < BrandonW> Since calc84maniac can't run OS 1.1 on his Nspire.
00:23 < geekboy> y can t he?
00:23 < BrandonW> No one knows.
00:23 < geekboy> i though he got it :/
00:24 < BrandonW> Oh, maybe he did.
00:24 < BrandonW> But he was having problems earlier.
00:24 * geekboy goes to ask
00:24 < geekboy> nvm
00:24 < geekboy> he not on :;/
00:24 < geekboy> :/
00:24 <@nikky> Is he normally on?
00:24 <@nikky> Here?
00:24 < geekboy> idk
00:24 < BrandonW> Not normally, but he has before.
00:25 <@nikky> ah
00:25 < geekboy> he is almost always on omni when he is on
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00:25 < geekboy> hell probally be back later
00:26 <@nikky> Okay, is he on any real channels?
00:26 < geekboy> idk
00:26 <@nikky> kk
00:26 < geekboy> ill whois him next time :P
00:26 <+Genolo> rofl i just used the bunny powerup to fly through the whole level
00:26 <+Genolo> if you mash the button fast enough you never sink
00:26 < geekboy> lol
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00:27 < sir_lewk> how do I run gnuboy?
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00:29 < BrandonW> Very carefully.
00:32 < sir_lewk> is the executable supposed to be `gnuboy`? cause I'm not seeing it
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00:32 < geekboy> lol the person who im using internet froms method of canceling alarge dl by me is to pull there router
00:32 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by efneTI86
00:32 < geekboy> then plug it back in
00:32 <+krisk> how do you know that
00:33 < geekboy> who me?
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00:33 <+krisk> yes
00:33 < BrandonW> Yanking your ethernet cable sounds effective to me.
00:33 < geekboy> heh
00:33 < geekboy> im using wifi
00:33 < geekboy> from a neibor cause my dad is to stingy
00:33 < BrandonW> Or going into the router's settings and disabling that.
00:33 < geekboy> and when the network vanishes then comes back
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00:33 < i_c-Y> who is geekboy?
00:34 <+krisk> how do you know they dont reset the router
00:34 < ports> lol
00:34 <+krisk> yo ports
00:34 < geekboy> or they did that :P
00:34 <+krisk> k cool
00:34 < ports> hey krisk
00:34 -!- mode/#tcpa [+vvv Kaeru geekboy waeyn] by |Remius|
00:34 * geekboy feels sorry for them though they left the passowrd tge default
00:34 <+geekboy> *the
00:34 <+krisk> how did it go ports
00:34 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Neff] by SnowCrash
00:34 < ports> krisk, meh
00:35 <+krisk> :/
00:35 <+jr19> ports is in love
00:35 <+krisk> hahaha
00:35 <+krisk> yo jr19
00:35 <+krisk> they start at my toes
00:35 <+jr19> hi krisk
00:35 <+krisk> make me crinkle my nose
00:35 <@nikky> Kaeru geekboy waeyn Neff: You now have bot accounts. "/msg efneti86 pass PASSWORD" to set your password "/msg efneti86 help" for ident info
00:36 <+jr19> what were you going to tell me yesterday about what you did with the girl
00:36 <+jr19> i was afk
00:36 < i_c-Y> ...
00:36 <+krisk> i told her mom everything lulz
00:36 <+geekboy> kk
00:36 <+krisk> so she was on her way home and messaged me she was going to that guy today
00:36 <+krisk> so i thought in my head "i dont think so :D"
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00:37 <@efneTI92> [Dauron] We called it Sin.
00:37 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o Dauron] by efneTI86
00:37 <+krisk> and many lulz were had
00:37 <+jr19> heh
00:37 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Weegeee] by SnowCrash
00:37 < ports> krisk, lunch went much better today..
00:37 <+krisk> ah cool
00:37 <+jr19> what did her mom say
00:37 <+krisk> her mom thanked me and still thought i was the best ever for her
00:37 < ports> krisk, im not interested in her though
00:37 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v bluescead] by efneTI85
00:37 <+krisk> and that she was going to have a very good talk with the girl
00:37 <@nikky> bluescead and Weegeee: You now have bot accounts. "/msg efneti86 pass PASSWORD" to set your password "/msg efneti86 help" for ident info
00:38 <+Genolo> is it promotion time again
00:38 <@nikky> no
00:38 <@nikky> just voice time
00:38 <+krisk> PROMOTIONS
00:38 <@nikky> promotion is harder
00:38 <@nikky> you need to do more flag stuff
00:39 <+jr19> holy moly
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00:41 <@nikky> I think Netham45 needs a kicking, Genolo
00:41 <@nikky> You should do the honors
00:41 <+krisk> "William Joseph "Billy Blaze" Blazkowicz II, a.k.a. "Commander Keen" or "Keen", from the Commander Keen series of PC games is actually the grandson of William "B.J." Blazkowicz from the Wolfenstein sereis of PC games."
00:41 <+krisk> woah
00:41 < Genolo> !k Netham45 k
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00:41 <@nikky> thx
00:41 < Genolo> np
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00:43 < BrandonW> !k Netham45 requested
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00:44 < BrandonW> Oh sorry, I--I didn't see yours, Genolo.
00:44 <+geekboy> !k geekboy does it work
00:44 <+geekboy> niope
00:44 * geekboy runs
00:44 < Genolo> hehe
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00:46 < ports> nikky, do i still have +v on the bots?
00:46 <@nikky> yes
00:46 <@nikky> well, not sure
00:46 <@nikky> you're a halfop
00:47 <@nikky> so you can voice yourself
00:47 <@nikky> /msg efneti86 voice pass
00:47 <+krisk> http://images.4chan.org/fit/src/1263082575042.jpg
00:47 <+krisk> awwww
00:48 < ports> i think i forgot my passwor
00:48 < ports> password
00:48 < ports> or the bots not responding to me
00:48 <@nikky> I'll fix it for you
00:48 <@nikky> hold on
00:49 -!- mode/#tcpa [+vv ports_ ports] by |Remius|
00:51 < i_c-Y> nikky: why aren't you Nikky today?
00:51 <@nikky> because
00:51 < BrandonW> He's been like that for weeks, pay attention.
00:52 <@nikky> yeah, suck it dry
00:53 < Genolo> i have a friend i've known for a little over a year whose name is all lowercase
00:53 < Genolo> capping it makes it look so wrong
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00:54 < Tribal> darn it
00:54 < Tribal> forgot to enable auto-rejoin
00:54 <@nikky> Tribal: Netham needs to be kicked
00:54 <@nikky> Why don't you do that for us?
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00:55 < Tribal> from where?
00:55 <@nikky> here
00:55 < Tribal> How am I suppose to do that >.>
00:55 < Genolo> tribal: !netham45
00:55 < Genolo> er
00:55 < Genolo> i mean
00:55 < Genolo> !k netham45
00:55 -!- Netham45 was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [genolo]
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00:55 < Tribal> O.o
00:55 <@nikky> that way
00:55 < Genolo> oops that was totally not an accidental type
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00:55 < Genolo> typo*
00:56 < Genolo> i just typo'd type
00:56 < Genolo> f
00:56 < Genolo> !k genolo failure
00:56 -!- Genolo was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [genolo: failure]
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00:56 <@nikky> I don't think Netham45 learned his lesson
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00:56 <@nikky> kick him again Tribal
00:56 < Barrett> is there a non-weird looking way for a guy to go running with a bag of some sort? I'm thinking something with the functionality of a fanny-pack, but not as weird
00:56 <@nikky> what is in the bag?
00:56 < Tribal> !kick Netham45 Dammit netham45, what did you do know
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00:57 < Barrett> nikky, probably water and keys
00:57 < BrandonW> You forgot to kick him the first time.
00:57 < Barrett> maybe paper
00:57 < Genolo> oh god me and tribal are typoing like hell
00:57 < BrandonW> !k Netham45 I'll take care of it for you
00:57 <@nikky> Barrett: get a water backpack...
00:57 -!- Netham45 was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [BrandonW: I'll take care of it for you]
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00:57 < BrandonW> That looks like auto-rejoin to me.
00:57 < BrandonW> Ban him?
00:57 < Barrett> hmmm
00:57 <@nikky> Like I have a camelbak backpack that works great
00:57 < Barrett> I actually think I might have one somewhere... but not sure if it has any other pockets
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00:58 <@nikky> it's basically a water pouch with a few small pockets
00:58 <@nikky> you can shove on a wallet and perhaps an ultralight jacket
00:58 < jr19> i go for a shower, and next thing i know, i am kicked
00:58 <@nikky> jr19: Congratulations!
00:58 < Tribal> so wait, why do we have kick privs?
00:58 <@nikky> jr19: Kick netham!
00:58 < Genolo> tribal: halfops
00:58 < jr19> !k Netham45
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00:58 < Tribal> ah
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00:58 < jr19> weeeeeeeeee!
00:58 <+ports> i dont have kick privs
00:58 <@nikky> right
00:59 < Tribal> !v Tribal
00:59 < Tribal> crap
00:59 <@nikky> Tribal: /msg efneti86 voice password
00:59 < Tribal> Not reg'd
00:59 <@nikky> yes it is
00:59 <+ports> !k jr19 test
00:59 < Tribal> no, I don't have a password
00:59 <@nikky> Tribal: oh
00:59 <@nikky> /msg efneti86 pass newpassword
00:59 <+ports> jr19, i just ordered a pizza from pizza hut
01:00 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Tribal] by efneTI86
01:00 <+geekboy> kentucky fried chicken and a pizza hut a pizza hut macdonald macdonald kuntuck fried chicken and a pizza hut
01:00 * geekboy runs
01:01 <+krisk> the fuck is this shit
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01:01 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o _Auron_] by efneTI86
01:01 <@efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin.
01:01 <@nikky> anyone need a shell?
01:02 < jr19> for moniez?
01:02 <+ports> turtle?
01:02 <@nikky> for free
01:02 <@nikky> people in tcpa who we like get one
01:03 < i_c-Y> patz2009 could use one i think
01:03 < i_c-Y> hes under a nazi school administration
01:03 <@nikky> kk
01:03 < BrandonW> I would absolutely love a nice turtle shell.
01:03 < jr19> i guess id ont really need one right now so i wont take up resources when its not necessary
01:03 <@nikky> tell him to hit me up when he's on
01:03 < i_c-Y> k
01:03 < i_c-Y> who else drops alot...
01:03 <+ports> Genolo,
01:03 < Genolo> ports ?
01:03 <@nikky> genolo has one
01:04 <@nikky> jr19: I'm not sure what that means
01:04 < jr19> i dont need one
01:04 <+ports> krisk, drops a lot too
01:04 <@nikky> not anymore
01:05 <+Tribal> geekboy: http://static2.animepaper.net/upload/thumbs/wallpapers/Akane-Ikegami/%5Blarge%5D%5BAnimePaper%5Dwallpapers_Akane-Ikegami_luches%281.33%29__THISRES__87901.jpg
01:05 < i_c-Y> everyone here otherwise has a decent computer and stuff
01:05 < i_c-Y> who is geekboy ?
01:06 < Genolo> tribal i lol'd
01:06 < Genolo> stupid c.c. and her pizza
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01:06 <@efneTI92> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
01:07 < jr19> damn it
01:08 <+ports> jr19, i like the new pizza hut deal
01:08 < jr19> what is it
01:08 <+ports> $10 for any pizza
01:08 <+ports> any size, crust, toppings
01:08 <+Tribal> Genolo, C2 needs her pizza
01:09 * geekboy is me
01:09 * geekboy is also someone from omnimaga
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01:10 < Genolo> i remember when i was here for a few months
01:10 <+krisk> i dont drop a lot at all
01:10 <+krisk> why u say dis
01:10 < Genolo> i think it was milliano or someone said "who is genolo?" when i joined one time
01:10 < jr19> yeah i dont really recall krisk dropping
01:11 < jr19> what the hell are you talking about ports
01:12 <+ports> crazy talk
01:12 <+krisk> i wont be broooke agaaaaiinnnn
01:12 <+krisk> ive got to breath
01:12 <+krisk> im g-g-g-going under
01:12 <+krisk> iiiiim dieinnnng againnnn
01:12 <+krisk> im going underrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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01:15 < jr19> dying*
01:15 <+krisk> k
01:15 < jr19> :D
01:16 <+krisk> : )\
01:16 < BrandonW> Grammar Nazi.
01:16 < Randomist> O.o
01:16 < Randomist> Krisk sounds drunk.
01:16 <+krisk> nonsense krisk is being himself
01:16 <+krisk> bying*
01:17 < BrandonW> Which is drunk?
01:17 < Randomist> You had it right the first time. :P
01:17 <+krisk> ~_^
01:18 < jr19> wat
01:20 <+Genolo> http://genolo.nvm2u.com/img/moo.jpg
01:20 < Randomist> Ha.
01:20 <+krisk> i liked elven lied
01:20 <+Genolo> elfen lied was the shit
01:21 <+Genolo> it's definately one of the best animés
01:21 <+krisk> though my ex now uses a pic of the nyuu! girl to indicate how much she is suffering because of me
01:21 <+Tribal> agreed
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01:22 <+krisk> it was a nice memory watching that together
01:22 < jr19> krisk: she is obviously the victim here
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01:22 <@efneTI92> [Jonimus] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
01:22 <+krisk> she cosplayed the girl once
01:23 <+Genolo> win
01:23 <+Genolo> i'm sure it wasn't willingly
01:23 <@nikky> krisk: seriously
01:23 <@nikky> shut it
01:23 <+krisk> srsly
01:23 <+krisk> Genolo: it was
01:23 <@nikky> This channel is a lot better when you aren't talking
01:24 <@nikky> Hi Jonimus and calcdude8
01:24 <+krisk> when you cried
01:24 <+krisk> id wipe away all of your tiers
01:24 <+krisk> youd scream
01:24 <+krisk> id fight away all of your fears
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01:24 <@_Auron_> LOL
01:24 <@nikky> Problem solved
01:24 * calcdude8 says that he couldn't type all of "calcdude84se"
01:24 <@_Auron_> calcdude8: efnet has a 9 character nicklength limit
01:24 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Goplat] by efneTI86
01:25 < calcdude8> now i know
01:25 <@_Auron_> CHANTYPES=&# EXCEPTS INVEX CHANMODES=eIb,k,l,imnpstS CHANLIMIT=&#:40 PREFIX=(ov)@+ MAXLIST=beI:100 MODES=4 NETWORK=EFNet KNOCK STATUSMSG=@+ CALLERID=g are supported by this server
01:25 <@_Auron_> SAFELIST ELIST=U CASEMAPPING=rfc1459 CHARSET=ascii NICKLEN=9 CHANNELLEN=50 TOPICLEN=160 ETRACE CPRIVMSG CNOTICE DEAF=D MONITOR=100 are supported by this server
01:25 <@_Auron_> NICKLEN=9 being related
01:25 <@nikky> Yeah, but nobody reads that crap
01:26 <+Genolo> my friend set up an ircd just to fuck around with once
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01:26 < i_c-Y> not everyone runs shitty irc networks like dragonfire or rizon.
01:26 <+Genolo> the nicklen was like
01:26 < chronomex> 2?
01:26 <@_Auron_> 400?
01:26 <+geekboy> >9000
01:26 <+Genolo> no it was huge
01:26 <@nikky> calcdude8: Are you the gameboy emulator person?
01:26 <+geekboy> nope
01:26 <+geekboy> he isnt
01:26 <@nikky> hmm
01:26 <+Genolo> like you could have it wrap
01:26 < calcdude8> no
01:26 <@nikky> his name was clos
01:26 <+Goplat> that's calc84
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01:26 < JoeSU> :/
01:26 <+Genolo> i took a pic somewhere but i can't find it
01:26 < JoeSU> I was kicked? :(
01:27 <@nikky> JoeSU: Kick netham, please
01:27 < BrandonW> There are two, calcmaniac and calcdude.
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01:27 <@nikky> ohh
01:27 <@nikky> I just figured it was one person
01:27 <@nikky> with two names
01:27 < BrandonW> calcmaniac is the Game Boy emulator person, TI-Boy SE, etc.
01:27 < JoeSU> o.O
01:27 < BrandonW> calcdude is...nobody. :)
01:27 < BrandonW> Or are you?
01:27 < Jonimus> BrandonW, is right
01:27 < calcdude8> and i have done nothing, really.
01:27 < JoeSU> I'm JoeYoung/mtgrss111.....
01:27 <@nikky> Well, me neither!
01:28 < JoeSU> always hae been :/
01:28 <@nikky> I haven't done crap!
01:28 < BrandonW> I say we kill him for impersonation, nikky.
01:28 <@nikky> Nooo
01:28 <@nikky> That would be sad
01:28 <@_Auron_> and pointless
01:30 < calcdude8> no! i'm too young to die! :)
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01:30 < Randomist> "... / Kuk synnaytti pahan / Kuka keksi vallan ja rahan / Kuka maailmaan auttaa / Sorkkaherran taluttaa / ..."
01:31 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o SnowCrash] by efneTI85, |Remius|
01:31 < Randomist> Damn it, I've got that stuck in my head now.
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01:34 < i_c-Y> ...
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01:40 < Randomist> What'd he do?
01:40 * Randomist scrolls up.
01:40 < Randomist> Oh, right. IRC'ing under the influence.
01:42 <@_Auron_> I feel like someone punched me in the head with a mountain
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01:42 < BrandonW> Someone what?
01:43 < BrandonW> How does that work?
01:43 <@_Auron_> translation: I'm super fucking tired. Someone kill me please.
01:43 <@nikky> kk
01:45 < BrandonW> Drag Me to Hell is pretty corny.
01:45 < Randomist> Step one: Post your home address on 4chan. Step two: ???. Step three: PROTIT!
01:46 <@nikky> ?
01:46 <@_Auron_> Randomist: you can stop being stupid now
01:46 < BrandonW> How in the world do you protit something?
01:46 < BrandonW> _Auron_, unfortunately, he really can't.
01:47 <+Goplat> Randomist: i doubt 4chan will give a crap if someone just randomly posts their address there
01:47 < Randomist> BrandonW: Porn, obviously.
01:47 <+Goplat> otherwise everybody would be posting other people's addresses in order to use it as a "personal army"
01:50 * Randomist resumes achieving Zen with Haskell.
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01:58 < i_c-Y> Randomist: back to trading every week
01:58 < i_c-Y> languages
01:58 < i_c-Y> and linux?
01:58 < Randomist> Same distro.
01:58 < Randomist> Since 2007.
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01:59 < Randomist> Not trading languages -- XMonad's fault for getting me into Haskell.
01:59 <+ports> hey
02:00 < mokomull> Randomist: Haskell is awesome.
02:01 < Randomist> Didn't we have this discussion yesterday? :P
02:02 < mokomull> Yeah, but I can't shut up about how awesome Haskell is.
02:04 <@nikky> My gtalk list is sad
02:04 <@nikky> it needs more contacts
02:04 <@nikky> haha, an AT&T commercial
02:04 <@nikky> complaining about verizon
02:05 <@nikky> these are hilariously bad
02:05 <@nikky> they're trying so hard...
02:07 < Andy_J> nikky: add meeeeeeeeeee
02:07 < Randomist> "...But in the end, it doesn't really matter."
02:07 * geekboy love lp
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02:14 -!- geekboy is now known as geekds
02:15 < Randomist> Wait, when someone does something [stupid] on Facebook, it shows up on *everyone's* wall?
02:16 -!- geekds is now known as geekfail
02:17 < Randomist> Good luck to you if ever mix Facebook with alcoholic bevarage.
02:18 -!- geekfail is now known as GEEKBOY
02:19 -!- GEEKBOY is now known as geekboy
02:20 < BrandonW> Yeah, Drag Me to Hell pretty much sucks.
02:21 < Randomist> Sounds like some kind of chick-flick.
02:23 < BrandonW> I can't believe this got positive reviews.
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02:24 <@efneTI92> [Netham46] "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." -Scissors
02:24 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI86
02:26 < Randomist> `function()`, `function()`, what's your function?
02:26 <+ports> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Two:_The_40th_Day - this game looks fun
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02:40 < BrandonW> WHATS YOUR MALFUNCTION BOY
02:41 <+Netham46> He's divisible by zero, that's what it is.
02:41 <+ports> i wish my cough would go away
02:42 <+ports> its making me miseral
02:42 <+ports> miserable even
02:42 < Randomist> Developer tried to make a void function return something without telling the function it could do that.
02:44 <+ports> http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/samsung-and-ati-team-on-syncmaster-md230-mega-displays-for-wide/
02:49 < jr19> take some cough syrup
02:49 < jr19> and suck it up
02:51 < jr19> midpssh ftw
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02:56 < i_c-Y> Randomist: wha?
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02:59 <@nikky> bwahahhahaahahah
02:59 <@nikky> omnimaga banned me from the forum!
02:59 < Merthsoft> were you trolling?
02:59 <@nikky> no
02:59 <@nikky> I said that they shouldn't post the nspire news
02:59 < Randomist> import Graphics.X11.ExtraTypes.XF86
02:59 < Randomist> import System.IO
03:00 <@nikky> which I guess was "trolling"
03:00 <@nikky> <3
03:00 < Merthsoft> Why shouldn't they post the nspire news?
03:00 < bsparks> Because BrandonW said so
03:00 <@nikky> ^
03:00 < bsparks> and BrandonW is FUCKING GOD
03:00 < Merthsoft> When did "^" become a thing?
03:00 <@nikky> Brandon said to keep it on the downlow
03:00 < Merthsoft> God I hate that.
03:00 < BrandonW> If I fucked god, I would surely go straight to hell.
03:00 < Merthsoft> Unless he wanted it.
03:01 <+Netham46> well
03:01 < Randomist> Which $GOD and which $HELL>
03:01 < bsparks> BrandonW, if you ask TI you are already going to hell :)
03:01 <+Netham46> Depends if you're good or not.
03:01 <@nikky> Anyway, that totally made my day
03:01 < bsparks> Also, Merthsoft, you hate everything
03:01 < Merthsoft> I hate stupid things.
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03:01 <@efneTI92> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
03:01 * Randomist finds it odd that "Graphics.X11.ExtraTypes" are keyboard things.
03:01 < Randomist> But, then again, "Graphics.X11..."
03:03 < BrandonW> When the exploit is public and somebody other than ExtendeD can verify it works, then we'll talk about it.
03:03 < Jonimus> wait what did i miss :(
03:04 < BrandonW> It's an exploit they've already fixed, so the only reason not to post about it is to make sure others can get it.
03:04 < Randomist> Jonimus: .⁶⁶⁶.Nothing interesting.
03:04 < Jonimus> ?
03:04 < Randomist> Besides the TI nSpir--Nspire stuff.
03:04 < Jonimus> lol
03:05 < Jonimus> I see Randomist is trying to piss off BrandonW
03:05 < BrandonW> He knows better, so I'm fine with it.
03:05 < bsparks> Needs an italicized "n"
03:06 <+Netham46> nSpire
03:06 <@nikky> So yeah
03:07 <@nikky> Kevin actually hates the TI hacker community
03:07 <@nikky> he tries to undermine it!
03:07 <@nikky> pass it on
03:07 < Randomist> 𝑛Spire.
03:07 < BrandonW> Which Kevin?
03:07 <@nikky> The cranky one
03:07 < mokomull> Randomist: what the hell character was that?
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03:07 < Randomist> Unicode italic "N."
03:07 < BrandonW> Which Kevin?
03:07 <@nikky> yeah...
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03:07 < bsparks> Randomist, no it was not
03:07 <@nikky> The one who just banned me for trying to protect exploits
03:08 <@nikky> I wonder if he even understands
03:08 <@nikky> I doubt it
03:08 <+Goplat> Kevin Kofler? Kevin Ouellet? Kevin Bacon?!
03:08 <@nikky> Which kind of makes it sad
03:08 < BrandonW> That he's going to sic TI on us? Probably not.
03:08 < Randomist> Kevin Federline?
03:08 < BrandonW> Kevin Mitnick?!
03:09 < Merthsoft> nikky: nikky nikky nikky nikky nikky nikky
03:09 <@nikky> Merthsoft!
03:09 < Merthsoft> nikky: nikky nikky nikky
03:09 < mokomull> mushroom!
03:09 < Merthsoft> is what my niece keeps saying
03:09 <+Netham46> MUSHROOM!
03:09 < Merthsoft> because she's a spaz
03:09 < bsparks> Andy_J Andy_J Andy_J Andy_J Andy_J Andy_J Andy_J Andy_J Andy_J Andy_J Andy_J Andy_J nikky NIKKY!
03:09 < Andy_J> .
03:09 <+Netham46> ..
03:09 < bsparks> I'm dead
03:09 < Merthsoft> ...
03:09 < mokomull> !!!
03:09 <+Netham46> ....
03:09 < bsparks> Very... very dead
03:10 < Randomist> "Kevin, wait! Don't post the Nspire news yet!" "JUST FUCKIN STOP!!! JUST FUCKIN STOP!!! JUST FUCKIN STOP!!!" [He shuts down his forum.]
03:10 < Randomist> That works, too.
03:10 < BrandonW> Genius.
03:10 < Andy_J> Yes, I'm getting in my car to drive to Westerville now.
03:10 < BrandonW> Congratulations.
03:10 < bsparks> Andy_J, can we pick up Merthsoft and go bug BrandonW?
03:11 < Merthsoft> I'm in NH right now.
03:11 < bsparks> ..
03:11 < bsparks> Andy_J, can we go bug BrandonW?
03:11 < Merthsoft> Nooo
03:11 < Merthsoft> wait till I get back
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03:13 < BrandonW> How far away are you?
03:13 < Randomist> © - - - - o
03:13 < Andy_J> How far away is whom from who?
03:14 < bsparks> BrandonW, he's 2 hours from me, and I am probably... 4 from you
03:14 < Andy_J> bsparks: more than that!
03:14 < bsparks> Andy_J, I was trying to remember from the last time I was in his general area
03:15 < Andy_J> you're at least 5 hours, and that's assuming he's in the closest point in TN to you
03:16 < bsparks> Ah, perhaps my uncle sped :p
03:16 < BrandonW> Where are either of you?
03:16 < bsparks> Oheeeyeo
03:16 < Andy_J> Cleveland
03:16 < bsparks> Westerville
03:16 < Andy_J> s/Westerville/Columbus/
03:17 < Andy_J> so he knows where that is >_>
03:17 < BrandonW> That's more than 5 hours.
03:17 < BrandonW> Maybe 7 or something.
03:17 < bsparks> Andy_J, I was figuring he was gonna use google maps or something
03:17 < bsparks> or gps
03:17 < BrandonW> Since you mentioned it...
03:18 < BrandonW> 7 hours 2 minutes.
03:18 < BrandonW> Did I call it or what?!
03:18 < bsparks> :p
03:18 < bsparks> 7 from you to who?
03:18 < BrandonW> 7 from Westerville, OH to Elizabethton, TN.
03:18 < bsparks> ah, ok
03:19 < Andy_J> I-77 \m/
03:19 < Andy_J> I don't recall actually being on I-77 more than 15 miles or so south of Canton, actually ...
03:19 < bsparks> I-71 is more fun
03:19 < Andy_J> I have done that.
03:20 < Andy_J> Well, as a passenger
03:20 < BrandonW> I've driven to Lexington, and then to Columbus as a passenger.
03:20 <@nikky> I-5 is where it's at
03:20 < Andy_J> two round trips to Lousiville
03:21 < Andy_J> toting this here computer for a lan :p
03:22 < bsparks> I vote we all go to BrandonW's house and link all our calcs together and... idk... do complex differential equations
03:23 < BrandonW> Is that what they're calling it these days?
03:23 < Jonimus> lol
03:23 < Jonimus> wasn't it KermEEE who dreamed of that
03:24 < Jonimus> infact I think he has the main protocol worked out and its just a matter of writting an app to use it.
03:24 < Jonimus> though IMO I2C would be the best for Calc uses
03:24 < BrandonW> I did once think about linking all of my 84+/SEs together and the 83+ and 83+SE via I/O and direct USB.
03:24 < BrandonW> For what purpose, I don't know.
03:24 < BrandonW> But it would look epic.
03:25 < i_c-Y> imagine a beowulf ...
03:28 < BrandonW> I think it would be interesting coming up with a protocol for that.
03:28 < BrandonW> Since direct USB doesn't flow like I/O does.
03:30 < BrandonW> If I could just think up one halfway-legitimate use for it, I would do it right now.
03:31 < bsparks> Umm...
03:31 < Jonimus> make graph3d go really fast
03:31 < Jonimus> or compiling on calc
03:31 < Jonimus> distz80 :P
03:31 < BrandonW> Perhaps I could just extend silent linking.
03:31 < bsparks> you could totally do some awesome computing with 4 or 5 84+'s hooked up together
03:32 < BrandonW> All you do is link up all the calculators in a chain, with the one on the end connected to a PC, and a teacher can use TI Connect to transfer programs to all of them at once.
03:32 * geekboy imagines quaketi
03:32 < bsparks> BrandonW, that'd be awesome
03:32 < BrandonW> Maybe even view the contents of all of them at once in TI DeviceExplorer!
03:33 < bsparks> Not so much useful, but awesome
03:33 < Jonimus> lol nice BrandonW that would be awesome
03:33 < BrandonW> You wouldn't even have to install anything on any of them except the one connected to the PC.
03:34 < BrandonW> Silent linking supports transferring temporary programs to each and remotely executing them.
03:34 < Jonimus> heh I say you obsolete TI-Navigator with it :P
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03:35 < BrandonW> If nothing else, it provides an interface to for example remote control all of them at once.
03:35 < BrandonW> So I could set that web site back up, but instead of 1 calculator, you get 6.
03:35 * Jonimus has now run Linux on almost every capible device he owns
03:35 < bsparks> awesome :D
03:36 < Jonimus> lol nice
03:36 < bsparks> BrandonW, it'd be cool if you could assign a user to each
03:36 < Jonimus> the only thing left would be my old PPC macs
03:36 < Jonimus> but They refuse to boot so w/e
03:36 < Andy_J> refuse to boot what? at all?
03:36 < BrandonW> It could be a seat/license type thing.
03:37 < BrandonW> Up to 6 people on the internet can request a calculator for remote control.
03:37 < Andy_J> or just linux?
03:37 <+ports> Jonimus, pda?
03:37 < Jonimus> Andy_J, I can't get them past the unhappy mac logo
03:37 < Andy_J> even trying to boot mac os?
03:37 < Jonimus> ports, yeah my old iPaq h2200, my new HTC Touch, all of my comps
03:38 < Jonimus> Andy_J, the internal disks appear to be formated correctly and have a version od macosx installed but still nothing
03:38 < BrandonW> I am totally linking these up right now.
03:38 <+ports> Jonimus, cool.. i wanted one of those old Sharp Zaurus pdas that ran linux
03:39 <+ports> you could run kismet and aircrack on it
03:39 < Jonimus> ports, yeah the h2200 only has bt and its kinda useless no matter what OS is on it
03:39 < Jonimus> the only thing I'd use it for would be a Universal remote thanks to lirc
03:39 <+ports> Jonimus, is the IR port any good on it?
03:40 < Jonimus> on the h2200 yeah
03:40 <+ports> Jonimus, my winmo toshiba pdas IR worked like 3 feet
03:40 < Jonimus> the stock WM2003 SE rom even came with an Universal Remote app
03:40 < Jonimus> sadly the companie that made the program no longer supports it
03:40 <+ports> cool
03:41 < Jonimus> hence why I'd use LIRC
03:41 <+ports> i thought about buying a new pda.. but theyre not useful anymore with cell phones being so advanced now
03:41 < Jonimus> yeah
03:41 < Jonimus> if you have the money a TI BeaglBoard can do most of the same stuff plus doubles as a dev board
03:42 < BrandonW> Seven calculators thanks to Merthsoft...
03:42 < Merthsoft> :)
03:42 <+ports> i love this episode of the George Lopez show... where he pays the mexicans to build the office with beer
03:42 <+geekboy> lol
03:43 < Jonimus> ports, I used the Angstrom Linux distro with on my iPaq, it was ok but the devs seemed more interested in supporting new devices than actually supporting the devices that already worked
03:43 <+ports> Jonimus, thats another reason I let my sony clie and toshiba sit in a drawer.... people just stopped writing apps for them that were decent
03:44 < Jonimus> ports, yeah the Linux crowd isn't much better but you may be able to put android on the Toshiba
03:44 < Jonimus> or at least something close
03:44 < BrandonW> Actually, that doesn't really work...
03:44 < BrandonW> So 5-6 instead of 6-7.
03:44 <+ports> Jonimus, its a toshiba e570...
03:45 <+ports> im not really interested in making it work again
03:45 < Jonimus> I'll take it
03:45 <+ports> i think the battery is shot.. i replaced it a while back but it hasnt been used in forever
03:45 < Jonimus> I think I have that same one but one of the batter contacts broke
03:45 <+ports> oh
03:45 < Jonimus> hence why I got my h2200
03:45 <+ports> its a ribbon cable for the battery
03:45 < Jonimus> ahh yours must be older
03:46 <+ports> yes it is old
03:46 < Jonimus> though not as old as Micheal_V's H/PCs
03:46 <+ports> i got it in like 2002-2003
03:46 < Jonimus> yeah mine ran WinMo 2002 iirc
03:46 <+ports> pocketpc
03:46 < Jonimus> yeah
03:47 < Jonimus> what was yours?
03:47 < Jonimus> or do you not remember
03:47 <+ports> same
03:47 < Jonimus> ahh nice
03:47 <+ports> http://www.streettech.com/archives_gadget/maestro.html
03:48 < Jonimus> ahh nice
03:48 < Jonimus> I'd say mine was a nicer model then
03:48 < Jonimus> I can't find ti atm though
03:48 < Jonimus> it*
03:48 <+ports> .. like I said. mine is old.
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03:49 < Jonimus> mine appears to be the same age just a different line
03:54 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/network.jpg
03:54 < Andy_J> I like the 83+ SE terminator.
03:55 < BrandonW> Now to take a close look at the requirements of silent linking...
03:55 < BrandonW> To see how practical we can make this.
03:55 < bsparks> BrandonW, wait, are all of those interconnected to each other?
03:55 < BrandonW> Yes.
03:55 < bsparks> oh, I see it now
03:55 < Andy_J> it's a token chain network! <_<
03:55 < bsparks> my browser doesn't scale pictures yet :(
03:55 < BrandonW> The blue and clear 84+/SEs have the extra RAM page problem.
03:56 < Jonimus> bsparks, what browser are you useing?
03:56 < BrandonW> I have no idea if Merthsoft's does or not.
03:56 < bsparks> Jonimus, Stainless.app
03:56 < Jonimus> ??
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03:56 < bsparks> Jonimus, you asked
03:56 < Jonimus> never heard of it
03:56 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: What?
03:56 < BrandonW> Unfortunately this means I have to do all my testing with direct USB, but oh well.
03:56 < bsparks> You probably haven't heard of half the web browser out there
03:56 < BrandonW> Merthsoft, some 84+/SEs lack all eight extra RAM pages.
03:57 < Jonimus> true but why are you useing such an obscure one?
03:57 < Merthsoft> oh shit
03:57 < bsparks> Jonimus, because it is better than the non obscure ones
03:58 < Randomist> As obscure to users of non-Apple users as Uzbl is (well, was) to users of non-*NIX systems?
03:59 < Jonimus> ahh its like chrome but not at all related
03:59 < Jonimus> but it is also mac only so it matters little
03:59 < bsparks> matters a whole hell of a lot to me
03:59 < Andy_J> IE is windows-only, and it doesn't matter little
04:00 < Jonimus> Andy_J, true but IE's influence is dropping greatly
04:00 < Randomist> This is Mac we're talking about, though. :P
04:00 < bsparks> Randomist, now is not a time to be a dickhead.
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04:03 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: What happens if mine lacks all eight pages?
04:03 < BrandonW> It can't use applications that take advantage of it, like msd8x, Virtual Calc, etc.
04:03 < BrandonW> msd8x can be coded around it.
04:03 < Merthsoft> i've used msd8x
04:03 < BrandonW> Virtual Calc is something you can just never use.
04:03 < bsparks> I have never used Virtual Calc
04:03 < bsparks> I should some day
04:04 < BrandonW> You can use http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/ramtest.zip to see if you have the problem.
04:05 * Randomist cannot wait to move back!
04:05 < Randomist> Wednesday, come quickly!
04:06 <+ports> is Reality Bites a good movie?
04:06 * Randomist resumes reading manual pages.
04:06 < BrandonW> To make this work, there has to be a translation between I/O and direct USB silent linking.
04:06 < Randomist> ports: Download and see?
04:06 < BrandonW> Which...is do-able but I'd have to handle each packet differently.
04:07 < BrandonW> But direct USB supports a lot more, so if TI Connect tried to request that, some calculators couldn't support it.
04:08 < Jonimus> use a silverlink for the first calc
04:08 < BrandonW> And a lot wouldn't make sense to merge all of them together for.
04:08 < Jonimus> that way it doesn't matter
04:08 < BrandonW> Like requesting the time.
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04:11 < BrandonW> This could get really complex really quickly.
04:12 < j-b-r> Hmm... what was this kicked for flag refresh thing?
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04:23 < bsparks> man I have the worst gas today from that quesadilla
04:24 < BrandonW> This is sucking the more I think about it.
04:26 < Jonimus> woo now I have the HTC Hero loading screen on my HTC Touch :P
04:26 < incubus> bsparks, Wtf man :*(
04:28 <+Genolo> i lol'd at incubus' reaction
04:29 <+Genolo> guys i'm getting a new laptop for $800-1000 and plan on dual booting linux
04:29 <+Genolo> where should i buy and what should i get
04:29 < incubus> btw have you ever had *really* bad gas?
04:29 < incubus> That you had to hold in for a few hours because you were doing something in public
04:29 < i_c-Y> wait a while for i7 basedmachines to drop in price a bit.
04:29 * Randomist [Super]-[K]s twice, cheers for Genolo, [Super]-[J]s twice, and resumes work.
04:30 < bsparks> ...what
04:30 < i_c-Y> though the HP's are under 1k already
04:30 <+Genolo> where is a good place to buy laptops
04:30 < Randomist> Newegg?
04:30 <+Genolo> could i get them cheaper online
04:31 < Randomist> Of course!
04:31 <@nikky> hai
04:31 <+Genolo> i'll look at newegg
04:31 <+Genolo> i don't really know what brand to get
04:31 < i_c-Y> from the manufacturer directly?
04:32 <+Genolo> i bought this laptop a year ago
04:32 <+Genolo> or so
04:32 < bsparks> I have found them for cheaper at MicroCenter than Newegg
04:32 <+Genolo> for $300
04:32 < i_c-Y> are you planning to carry it around or do you want a desktop replacement?
04:32 <+Genolo> i mostly use it on bed bed :P
04:32 <+Genolo> my*
04:32 <+Genolo> god damn keyboard
04:33 < Randomist> You mostly use your goddamn keyboard on your bed-bed? :P
04:34 <+Genolo> :(
04:34 < Jonimus> no his kbd on his old laptop is dying
04:34 < i_c-Y> the dv6t comes with i7 at the top of the price range, but its an HP
04:35 < Randomist> You said the word "but." Does this mean it is a bad thing?
04:35 <+Genolo> jonimus
04:35 <+Genolo> you don't know the half of i
04:35 <+Genolo> t
04:35 <+Genolo> let me take a pic of the keyboard
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04:36 < i_c-Y> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146613 would have been better if it came with a better screen
04:36 < i_c-Y> whats the most intense thing you're planning to run, Genolo ?
04:37 <+Genolo> team fortress 2 probably
04:37 <+Genolo> my friend bought it for me and i haven't played it yet
04:37 < Randomist> Guesses: porn visual novels? :P
04:37 <+Genolo> and vn's
04:38 <+Genolo> there are pictures on my camera's sd card
04:38 <+Genolo> from 2008
04:38 <+Genolo> really should empty it
04:38 <+Genolo> http://genolo.nvm2u.com/img/keyboard.JPG
04:38 <+Genolo> that's my keyboard isn't it awesome
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04:39 < incubus> Lol your keyboard has hair in it like mine
04:39 < Randomist> Poor laptop.
04:39 < i_c-Y> Genolo: that lenovo is probably fine - a bit bigger than i like laptops, but has plent of power
04:39 < incubus> The hair in my laptop doesn't seem to be from my head O_O
04:39 < BrandonW> My aunt has that same laptop.
04:39 <+Genolo> i_c-Y: i like big laptops
04:40 <+Genolo> bigger screen for animé
04:40 <+Genolo> do lenovos have good linux support
04:40 < Jonimus> yeah I'd go with that one
04:41 < Jonimus> Genolo, Usually, though don't quote me on it
04:41 < i_c-Y> you also have a choice of a Dell Studio 15 with an i7 on dell's website as well
04:42 < Jonimus> I'd personally pay the extra $$ and go for a studio xps 16 but thats just me
04:42 <+Genolo> lenovo is the company the manufactures it?
04:42 <+Genolo> technically i have like $1600 i could spend on it but that would be my savings
04:42 < i_c-Y> why dont you just ebay a replacement keyboard for 50 bucks and us eyour current laptop?
04:42 <+Genolo> this current laptop is shot
04:43 <+Genolo> overheats all the time
04:43 <+Genolo> speakers don't work
04:43 <+Genolo> doesn't turn on easily
04:43 < i_c-Y> meh. the lenovo looks like a good choice, but you have a dell as an option as well
04:43 < i_c-Y> theres the hp but hps arent as physically strong
04:44 < Jonimus> for his uses the lenovo is most likely a good choice
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04:44 < i_c-Y> im a bit concerned looking at the state of that laptop thouhg - it seems like hes just rather abusive.
04:45 < i_c-Y> you're going to have to take care of a new laptop better than you did that one or they're all going to end up that way
04:45 <+Genolo> it's the price one pays for having a pet bird
04:45 <+Genolo> she loves the warmness of laptops
04:45 <+Genolo> :(
04:45 <+Genolo> but i can kick her off
04:46 < Randomist> http://wintervenom.brandonw.net/Pictures/Photos/Electronics/My%20Machines%20-%20Idle%20Mind%20and%20Demonmachine.jpg
04:46 < BrandonW> Every time I get hilighted from one of his links, I regret giving him that space.
04:46 < i_c-Y> i think i d go with the lenovo in your case though.
04:46 < Randomist> BrandonW: Speaking of that space, how do I attach a Creative Commons note to the footer?
04:47 < BrandonW> The footer of what?
04:47 <+Genolo> this would look better with more ram and windows 7
04:47 <+Genolo> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0320750
04:47 < Randomist> BrandonW: Of the directory list pages.
04:47 < BrandonW> I don't know, you probably can't.
04:47 < i_c-Y> its a thinkpad meaning its more durable since its buisness, but the graphics are far inferior
04:47 < Jonimus> Genolo, a core i7 machine would be better
04:48 < i_c-Y> and the processor is worse too.
04:48 < i_c-Y> generally id say don't listen to Jonimus
04:48 < i_c-Y> but he seems to want to convince you to get the lenovo from newegg
04:48 < i_c-Y> so ill let him do that
04:48 <+Genolo> not many results for lenovo on microcenter
04:48 <+Genolo> in terms of laptops
04:49 < i_c-Y> why not just use newegg?
04:49 < i_c-Y> they dont have a presence in CT so no tax
04:49 < Jonimus> Well I'd rather him get a Dell Studio XPS 16 form dell but one with a i7 is way out of his price range and way more power than he needs
04:49 < i_c-Y> free shipping
04:49 < Jonimus> from*
04:49 < i_c-Y> i have a Lenovo R61. it is the best laptop ever. mainly because its mine.
04:49 < Jonimus> loll
04:50 < i_c-Y> you essentially have a few options here, Genolo
04:50 < i_c-Y> you can get really bad specs and 17" stuff.
04:50 < i_c-Y> or you can get good specs in either graphics or cpu (some tradability is there
04:50 < BrandonW> I vote bad specs and 17" stuff.
04:51 < BrandonW> That's what I did.
04:51 < Jonimus> lol
04:51 < BrandonW> I have a Toshiba Satellite P305D-S8818.
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04:51 <+Genolo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146613
04:51 <+Genolo> that's a lot better then i need
04:51 <+Genolo> i'd rather not go with 64 bit either
04:52 < Jonimus> Genolo, why?
04:52 < i_c-Y> ...
04:52 <+Genolo> dunno
04:52 < Tahben> because he doesn't want to end up like me.
04:52 <+Genolo> i've never used 64 bit
04:52 < Jonimus> Genolo, it doesn't matter
04:52 < i_c-Y> what cpu other than teh atoms is common that you get that arent amd64?
04:52 < Tahben> andhose every damn drive after a seemingly sucessful install
04:52 < i_c-Y> Tahben: that's because you're a woman
04:52 < i_c-Y> its the vag's fault
04:53 < DSP_Lord> ...
04:53 <+Genolo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146612
04:53 <+Genolo> that looks pretty good
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04:53 < Tahben> I am so so so fucked
04:54 < Tahben> and I see no way out
04:54 < i_c-Y> i mean getting the best specs you can within your budget gives you some futureproofing.
04:54 < Jonimus> Genolo the i7 is worth it IMO
04:54 < i_c-Y> doesn't have VT-x, the machine isn't worth buying.
04:55 < Jonimus> i_c-Y, its a C2D so it will have it
04:55 < i_c-Y> you're a fucking idiot
04:55 < Jonimus> ?
04:56 < i_c-Y> not all core 2's have it.
04:56 < i_c-Y> you have to look at the datasheet or on their processor finder, dumbass.
04:56 < i_c-Y> all the AMD's have it.
04:56 < i_c-Y> http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=36734
04:56 <+Genolo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146617
04:56 * Randomist turns fan in i_c-Y's direction.
04:56 <+Genolo> that's cheap
04:56 < i_c-Y> so is your mom
04:56 <+Genolo> but it isn't
04:57 < i_c-Y> shitty processor, shitty graphics. good luck running tf2 decently on it
04:57 < Jonimus> Genolo, the other two are much better
04:57 < Jonimus> Genolo get the i7 one and be done with it
04:57 < Randomist> i_c-Y: Actually, step outside, because we need you to raise our temperature up about thirty degrees over here. :P
04:57 <+Genolo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146613
04:57 <+Genolo> that would probably be overkill
04:58 < Jonimus> no, its called future proofing
04:58 < Jonimus> as i_c-Y you'll want the i7 and VT-x
04:59 <+Genolo> so how does that one look
04:59 < Jonimus> yes that one
04:59 < Randomist> i7 in a laptop? Sounds like a built-in flamethrower for your balls.
04:59 < i_c-Y> look, Genolo , how much are you seriously considering spending?
04:59 <+Genolo> pretty much up to $1000 would be ideal
05:00 <+Genolo> and this is 999.99
05:00 < Randomist> Shit been of'd went: [Places laptop on bed.] [Laptop falls though bed.]
05:01 < Randomist> [Laptop is now (back) in China.]
05:01 < i_c-Y> it has more power than you need right now yes.
05:01 < i_c-Y> but its going to run the apps of tomorrow anyway
05:02 < Randomist> Microsoft Word 2012!
05:02 < i_c-Y> har har.
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05:03 <+Genolo> so this one looks good?
05:03 < Jonimus> and if you plan on doing any compiling in Linux that'll do it much faster
05:03 < Jonimus> yeah
05:04 < Speler> Hey people
05:04 < Randomist> Genolo: Just don't tell Gentoo users you have an i7. :)
05:04 < Randomist> You'll never hear the end of their trying to convert you.
05:04 * Jonimus points Randomist to the AUR
05:04 <+Genolo> and this should run linux okay?
05:04 * Exploiter wants a new 24" iMac with an i7... >_>
05:04 < Jonimus> yeah it'll run it great
05:05 <+Genolo> it's got a pretty large internal too
05:05 <+Genolo> i have 3tb external so that isn't all that crucial
05:05 < i_c-Y> Genolo: theres nothing that i see on the spec sheet that screams no linux
05:05 < i_c-Y> comments say its got intel wireless whcih is good
05:05 < i_c-Y> nvidia graphics, use proprietary drivers
05:06 < i_c-Y> you might fight with the webcam
05:06 < Randomist> Jonimus: But we don't `pacman -Syu` from there. :P
05:06 < Jonimus> true
05:07 < i_c-Y> but otherwise linux should be fine
05:07 < Jonimus> yeah but even webcams are becomeing better supported recently
05:07 < i_c-Y> and you can even run windows under a VM in linux with pretty good results
05:07 < Randomist> I wonder if I can change out my internal Wi-Fi.
05:07 < Jonimus> the intigrated mic is the other place I've seen issues but a modern kernel shouldn't have any issues
05:07 < Randomist> Put something in there that doesn't use "ath5k."
05:08 < i_c-Y> probably not - you wont find a compatible wifi module in most cases
05:08 < i_c-Y> your only luck would be if the same line had a different wifi module offered
05:08 < i_c-Y> ie. for my thinkpad, i have the 3945 wireless
05:08 < i_c-Y> but this was offered with the 4965
05:08 < i_c-Y> so i could pluck one of those and stick it in probably
05:08 < i_c-Y> well i could - its no secret where youd do it
05:08 < i_c-Y> but on your toshiba i doubt it
05:08 < Jonimus> i_c-Y, isn't mini PCI-e pretty standard?
05:09 < Randomist> s:M305D-S4830:L305-S5919:
05:09 < i_c-Y> nobody says that cards from different manufacturers will fit in the same space or are identical.
05:09 < Jonimus> as long as it isn't a half card he should be able to find something I'd think
05:09 < Randomist> I have that, now.
05:09 < Jonimus> ahh
05:10 < Randomist> I sold that hot-ass, short-battery-life, hard-to-read panel thing to someone one for some extra money and another laptop, then gave that one to my grandmother.
05:11 <+ports> holy crap.. that is one of the coolest cars ive ever seen
05:12 <+ports> http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2006/2006-Saab-Aero-X-Concept-RA-OH-1600x1200.jpg
05:12 < Randomist> s:that:this:
05:12 < Tahben> killdisk will run all night...maybe I can figure out how to unfuck windows 7
05:12 < Spengo> ports that looks kinda dumb
05:12 < Spengo> why would it do that rather than open doors
05:12 < i_c-Y> dban, bitch.
05:12 < Spengo> seems needles
05:12 < Spengo> s
05:13 < i_c-Y> Tahben: cool people use dban
05:13 <+ports> http://www.saabusa.com/saabjsp/concepts/index.jsp - look at the Aero X
05:13 < i_c-Y> darik's boot and nuke
05:13 < Randomist> Spengo: Car for Gentoo users. :P
05:13 < Spengo> lol
05:13 <+Genolo> only reason i'd use a webcam would be to talk to whoever uses one
05:13 <+ports> Spengo, dude... whats wrong with you
05:13 <+Genolo> i don't know anyone that does
05:13 <+ports> Spengo, If you paint it black... its the Batmobile.
05:13 < Spengo> lol
05:13 <+Genolo> i'm going to order this tomorrow
05:14 <+Genolo> backup /home tonight
05:14 <+ports> Spengo, See... now that I dropped that knowledge bomb on you.. doesn't it look so much cooler?
05:14 < i_c-Y> looks like they wanted to clone a gullwing benz and fucked up
05:14 <+Genolo> i love having 3tb in externals and not having much on them
05:14 < Spengo> ports, not really
05:14 < Spengo> I'd still rather have a '67 mustang fastback
05:14 <+ports> Spengo, oh well.. at least I got to use the phrase "knowledge bomb"
05:16 <+ports> I think the marketing people at Saab are crazy. they have a "Saab 9-x Biohybrid" that runs E85... not biodiesel. and the "Saab 9-x Air" isn't air powered... it's just an E85 convertible.
05:17 < Spengo> lol
05:17 < i_c-Y> saab is dead :|
05:17 <+ports> i_c-Y, yeah... the marketing morons killed it.
05:17 < Spengo> the funny thing is, these "environmentally friendly" cars often end up making a bigger carbon footprint than their gasoline counterparts
05:17 <+ports> I never cared for Saabs car designs..
05:17 <+ports> Speler, http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2006/2006-Saab-Aero-X-Concept-RA-Low-1600x1200.jpg - cool photo of it
05:17 < Spengo> what with all the rare earth metals they use like neodymium and lithium
05:18 <+ports> err Spengo
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05:20 < Spengo> and if what you're worried about is the expense of gasoline you're looking in the wrong direction as usually the up front cost of these vehicles is much too high to give you any significant savings
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05:20 <+ports> Spengo, I just think some of these vehicles look nice.
05:20 <+ports> Unfortunately the marketing people ruin them
05:20 < Spengo> hehe ok
05:21 <+ports> http://www.carzi.com/2008/09/18/chevy-volt-pictures/
05:23 <+ports> if the Volt looked like the concept.. i would have considered buying one.. but the production one is fugly.
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05:25 < i_c-Y> rather than the volt, id rather have chevy make something more like the honda fcx clarity
05:25 < Randomist> Programming (and learning it) has never felt this relaxing before.
05:25 <+ports> wtf
05:25 <+ports> that car looks horrible
05:25 < Spengo> volt is one of those cars that has a bigger carbon footprint than gas cars and doesn't save you any money
05:26 <+ports> the clarity looks like a wing profile
05:26 < Spengo> V8s are cooler anyway :P
05:27 <+ports> Spengo, This is a badass concept car... and its doable too. http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/06/bmw-builds-a-ca/
05:27 < Spengo> lolwtf
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05:27 <@efneTI92> [KermEEE] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
05:27 < Spengo> a styling design headed straight for the BMW Museum in Munich and so it will never see production, but building a practical car wasn’t the point.
05:27 < Spengo> they just made it for the lulz
05:28 <+ports> yeah
05:29 <+ports> watch the video
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05:30 <+ports> the car freaking blinks!
05:30 < i_c-Y> <+ports> the clarity looks like a wing profile
05:30 < i_c-Y> the clarity looks like a honda civic.
05:30 < i_c-Y> http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/
05:31 <+ports> ive seen the page
05:31 <+ports> I dont like the civic either
05:33 < BrandonW> Why does the 73 OS have to be so difficult? Simple code to display something to the screen and go to the newline doesn't work like you'd expect.
05:33 < BrandonW> Because they do scary stuff with fractions and mixed numbers.
05:33 < BrandonW> And then somehow change it when you enter another expression.
05:33 < BrandonW> new line*
05:34 <+ports> I think BMW really gives its engineers too much money and time to do things...
05:34 <+ports> but occasionally they make some really cool stuff
05:34 <+ports> http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/07/bmw-devises-smart-car-door-that-senses-danger/
05:35 <+ports> essentially a door that can bulk up to take an impact and protect the passenger
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05:35 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v rcfreak0] by SnowCrash
05:37 < Jonimus> BrandonW, Black z80 Voodoo magic
05:38 < Randomist> [Screaming gutterally:] Mixed numbers and fractions! They're not whole!
05:39 < Randomist> [Whispers:] Part of a complete and healthy breakfast.
05:40 * Randomist walks off.
05:41 -!- _Auron|G1 [~Auron@m345636d0.tmodns.net] has joined #tcpa
05:41 <@efneTI92> [_Auron|G1] We called it Sin.
05:41 < _Auron|G1> wootah
05:41 <@nikky> hai
05:41 < _Auron|G1> yo
05:42 <@nikky> ur on ur g1?
05:42 < _Auron|G1> yer
05:42 <@nikky> kewl
05:42 < Jonimus> _auron what IRC client are you useing?
05:42 < _Auron|G1> yer
05:42 < BrandonW> that sucks u shud get a droid
05:42 < _Auron|G1> Jonimus: AndroidIRC
05:43 < Jonimus> hmm kk
05:43 <@nikky> I'm actually on my droid now
05:43 < _Auron|G1> BrandonW: buy me 1
05:43 < BrandonW> y
05:43 < BrandonW> no u
05:43 < _Auron|G1> i r broke?
05:43 <@nikky> but using connectbot+issi
05:43 < Jonimus> wtf my Touch won't boot into Android for some reason
05:43 <@nikky> irssi even
05:43 <@nikky> hawhaw
05:43 <@nikky> omnimaga sucks
05:43 <+ports> http://xkcd.com/492/
05:44 < _Auron|G1> no u
05:44 * nikky ignores the link
05:45 < _Auron|G1> I love how android irc can't be closed by android
05:45 <@nikky> ?
05:45 < _Auron|G1> only me or power failure
05:45 < _Auron|G1> android manages lifespan of apps
05:45 <@nikky> oh
05:45 < _Auron|G1> it closes 'older' or 'unused' ones when ram is needed for current app
05:45 < Jonimus> _Auron|G1, that sounds like a WinMo like trait
05:46 <@nikky> haha, winmo
05:46 < _Auron|G1> Jonimus: before 1.6, G1 had no problem running multiple apps
05:46 <@nikky> closed source crap
05:46 < _Auron|G1> android is turning out to be closed too
05:46 < Jonimus> ^
05:46 < _Auron|G1> 2.1 has nifty ui though, fwiw
05:46 <@nikky> shut up
05:46 < Jonimus> its closed untill google says so
05:47 <@nikky> winmo is way worse
05:47 < _Auron|G1> ANDROID'S CLOSED DUE TO AIDS
05:47 <@nikky> theres no excuse to use it
05:47 < _Auron|G1> ^
05:47 < Jonimus> nikky, google is worse than MS since at least MS give dev's rc's and such to devel with
05:47 <@nikky> unless you made a poor purchase choice
05:47 < Jonimus> I disagree
05:47 < _Auron|G1> Jonimus: technically google did until recently
05:47 < Jonimus> and most devices that run WinMo can run Android also, Yay Linux there
05:48 <@nikky> nobody cares
05:48 < Jonimus> _Auron|G1, yeah I really find that odd
05:48 < _Auron|G1> but their apps (50% of android, tbh) are closed source
05:48 < Jonimus> yeha
05:48 < Jonimus> yeah
05:48 <@nikky> i try to use only open source apps
05:48 <+Genolo> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/admin_mourning.png
05:48 <@nikky> even if they have less features
05:48 < Jonimus> the Adroid ports for my phone have to includ those as abk's or w/e
05:48 <+ports> holy crap
05:48 < Jonimus> apk*
05:48 < Randomist> Z Shell for the win.
05:48 <+ports> anyone following the NFL playoffs?
05:49 < _Auron|G1> ports: sports are lame
05:49 <+ports> _Auron_, :<
05:49 < _Auron|G1> lol
05:49 <+ports> I'd think you'd like watching football..
05:49 <@nikky> yay football!
05:49 <@nikky> Go vikings!
05:49 <+ports> all those strong men running around in tight pants
05:49 < _Auron|G1> ports: I've tried
05:49 < Randomist> It's funny how guys like watching balls flying across the screen in high-definition.
05:49 < _Auron|G1> um
05:50 < _Auron|G1> 95% who are black
05:50 < _Auron|G1> I only have interest in white guys
05:50 < _Auron|G1> PREFERENCE
05:50 <+ports> _Auron_, racist
05:50 < _Auron|G1> knew you'd say that
05:50 <+ports> lol
05:50 <@nikky> Minnesota gonna win it all.
05:50 < Jonimus> nevar
05:50 <+ports> nikky, youre not a Seahawks fan?
05:50 < Jonimus> Death to Farve, J/k
05:50 <@nikky> Seattle isnMt in the playoffs.
05:51 < Jonimus> Rodgers all the Way
05:51 <@nikky> so no.
05:51 <+ports> nikky, i know
05:51 <+ports> lol
05:51 <@nikky> Go Vikings!
05:51 <+ports> i hope the Packers win tomorrow
05:51 < Randomist> Once you go b-- [Static.] ...and they're down to the twenty yard line... then ten... and touchdown!
05:51 <@nikky> Boooo Packers.
05:51 <@nikky> Boooooo
05:52 <@nikky> Boooooooooooooo
05:52 <+ports> the Vikings lost to the Bears.... lulz
05:52 < _Auron|G1> I hope all the footplayers die into dust and liquidate their millions to the public
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05:52 <@nikky> The Bears suck.
05:52 < Jonimus> and Da Bear Still SUck
05:52 < _Auron|G1> and give people back their homes
05:52 < Jonimus> lol
05:52 <+ports> so true
05:52 <+ports> the Vikings lost to the Bears.... lulz :>
05:52 < Jonimus> its Da Bears get it right nikky
05:52 <@nikky> Vikings win the superbowl!
05:52 < _Auron|G1> stadiums take away peoples' houses
05:52 <@nikky> Vikings win the superbowl!
05:52 <@nikky> Vikings win the superbowl!
05:53 <+ports> _Auron_, thats not true
05:53 < _Auron|G1> um yes
05:53 <@nikky> nono, WaMu takes homes.
05:53 < _Auron|G1> uh
05:53 <+ports> _Auron_, they buy homes.
05:53 < _Auron|G1> stadiums get built where homes are
05:53 < BrandonW> Come get your WaMu free checking account!
05:53 < _Auron|G1> ports: forcefully
05:53 <@nikky> no.
05:53 <+ports> _Auron_, progress.
05:53 < _Auron|G1> still forcefully
05:53 < _Auron|G1> which IMO is wrong
05:53 <@nikky> they were poor anyway
05:54 < _Auron|G1> go build some fucking other place
05:54 <+ports> I don't like the whole "housing" argument to progress..
05:54 < Randomist> [Like a politician:] "Poor people don't need homes!"
05:54 <+ports> people build houses where they arent supposed to.. and then sue people when the rightful owners come to claim the land.
05:54 <@nikky> we give them money to move to nicer places!
05:55 <@nikky> win-win!
05:55 <@nikky> (win)
05:55 <+ports> the Federal government marks out land for eminent domain to build stuff like highways... and local municipalities ignore it and approve building permits for peoples houses... and then Federal government (read: us tax payers) end up paying those morons 300% to get them off the land
05:56 < Randomist> Nikky for president: full of win.
05:56 <@nikky> yay taxes!
05:56 <@nikky> <3 taxes
05:56 <@nikky> regressive tax system ftw
05:56 < _Auron|G1> okay so
05:56 <@nikky> yes
05:56 <+ports> our like a lot of the older agricultural factories.. they were built in the middle of nowhere near nothing.. no housing... and people go and build houses next to them.. and then sue for noise pollution, or a "bad smell"..
05:57 <+ports> those people can go to hell.. the plant was there first...
05:57 < _Auron|G1> the realtors and housing associations are liars and should be the ones paying for going against government land
05:57 <@nikky> or like with airports
05:57 <@nikky> hate people who buy a cheaqp home next to an airport then sue and complain
05:57 <+ports> Chicago's O'Hare airport was in the middle of nowhere... far from the original city... and people complain about noise from planes... dude they shouldnt have built there
05:58 <@nikky> exactly
05:58 <@nikky> ~
05:58 <@nikky> ~@~
05:58 <@nikky> ~
05:59 <+ports> my high school had that problem
05:59 < _Auron|G1> okay so people who look for homes (AS IN TO LIVE IN) != approvers of housing permit and/or construction worker/agency/related
06:00 <+ports> it had some land next to it that wasnt being used at the time.. but they owned it.. and it was supposed to be future parking lots.. and the city let people build houses on it. so a high school of 2600 students.. had 117 spaces of student parking
06:00 < _Auron|G1> you keep acting as if they're the same
06:00 <@nikky> ports: full of retards?
06:00 < Jonimus> hmm it seems the the initrd that I'm useing has it hardcoded too look in /sdcard/android/ for the rootfs
06:01 < _Auron|G1> though the 'move into cheap home near busy place' thing is obv stupid
06:01 <+ports> _Auron_, 200 families being paid to relocate out of their homes from a downtown area so a stadium can be built.... thats worth the economic growth.
06:01 <@nikky> indeed
06:01 < _Auron|G1> why should they relocate?
06:01 <+ports> money.
06:01 < _Auron|G1> ....
06:01 < _Auron|G1> aside from that
06:01 <@nikky> our statiums were built on the footprint of old ones
06:01 <@nikky> so...
06:02 <@nikky> we're awesome!
06:02 <@nikky> :D
06:02 <+ports> a lot of stadiums were built in the middle of nowhere.. the city grew to surround them.
06:02 < _Auron|G1> okay?
06:02 <@nikky> ours are downtown
06:02 <@nikky> we win!
06:02 < Jonimus> _Auron|G1 is the client your useing in the market?
06:02 < Jonimus> I see a droidirc
06:02 <+ports> the economic growth from having a professinoal sports franchise is far greater than the property tax collected from some peoples houses..
06:02 < Randomist> It was beleived in the past that the Universe revolves around stadiums.
06:02 < Jonimus> but not AndroidIRC
06:02 <@nikky> connectbot is better
06:02 < _Auron|G1> Jonimus: not anymore I don't think, it's free as AndChat now but I don't like the new look at all
06:03 < Randomist> Today, this belief holds true.
06:03 <+ports> its just a house.
06:03 < Randomist> Or does it revolve around money?
06:03 <+ports> Randomist, money
06:03 < Jonimus> nikky, it doesn't like Android OS 2.0 and I don't feel like messing wit other versions atm
06:03 < _Auron|G1> ports: and sports are stupid
06:03 <+ports> _Auron_, in your opinion/
06:03 <@nikky> jonimus.... um, yes it does
06:03 < _Auron|G1> so let's build lots of stadiums, make people stupider, lazier, and bitchier
06:03 < Randomist> _Auron|G1: Tell that to our ancestors.
06:03 < _Auron|G1> and give money to fat cats
06:03 < _Auron|G1> SOUNDS AWESOME
06:04 <@nikky> it even supports droid high res
06:04 < Jonimus> nikky, then it doesn't like my phone
06:04 < _Auron|G1> I fucking hate sports.
06:04 < Jonimus> cuz it errors on my
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06:04 <@nikky> i love football
06:04 <@nikky> Go Huskies!
06:04 < _Auron|G1> they make people retarded
06:04 <+ports> _Auron_, an the few hundred million NFL fans out there don't care what you think... they love football and will pay for it.
06:04 < Randomist> All a president has to do to win next election is mention football.
06:04 < _Auron|G1> ports: and I'm also more intelligent than most of them
06:05 <@nikky> Go Huskies!
06:05 <+ports> if you go to concerts..
06:05 <+ports> Verizon Auditorium etc.... same thing
06:05 < _Auron|G1> concerts? like bands?
06:05 <+ports> yes
06:05 < _Auron|G1> k, musical art. art.
06:05 <+ports> big name bands.
06:05 <@nikky> sports fans are not all dumb
06:05 <+ports> nikky, let him generalize.. its not worth it
06:05 <@nikky> Nascar fans *are* all dumb
06:05 < _Auron|G1> sports is not art, it's guys running back and forth with ball/puck/object for a feew hours
06:05 < _Auron|G1> while people go insane
06:05 < _Auron|G1> that = fucking stupid
06:06 <+ports> sports medicine is the best medicine in the world.
06:06 <@nikky> auron is cranky :(
06:06 < _Auron|G1> no
06:06 <@nikky> what's wrong?
06:06 < _Auron|G1> just justifying the stupidity of sports
06:06 < Randomist> Surely, it could be worse.
06:06 <@nikky> they're better than war
06:06 <@nikky> or street fights
06:07 <+ports> nikky, do you agree?
06:07 < _Auron|G1> creative minds typically have no interest in sports because they realize the repetition and qualityless presentation/purpose
06:07 <@nikky> somewhat ports
06:07 < Randomist> Nuclear War tournaments, anyone?
06:08 <+ports> nikky, the surgery and repair work they can do on athletes now.. its just amazing...
06:08 <+ports> its like the accident never even happened
06:08 <@nikky> yeah
06:08 <+ports> and they recover insanely fast too
06:09 <@nikky> it's impressive
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06:09 < _Auron|G1> fat cats man.
06:09 < _Auron|G1> I'm going to bed.
06:09 < _Auron|G1> night
06:09 <+ports> goodnight
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06:09 <@nikky> see ya
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06:09 <@efneTI92> [StormHTC] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
06:10 < Randomist> He's gone.
06:10 < Randomist> [Weepy music.]
06:10 <@nikky> :(
06:10 <@nikky> okay
06:10 <+ports> nikky, the math involved with sports insane.. just for stat tracking
06:10 < StormHTC> woo
06:10 <@nikky> no longer agree with ports
06:10 <@nikky> wait, yes I do
06:10 <@nikky> dang it
06:11 < StormHTC> though this kbd dislikes me
06:11 <@nikky> hawhaw
06:11 <@nikky> droid does
06:11 <@nikky> winmo, doesn't
06:12 <+ports> lol
06:12 <+ports> nikky, it caught on!
06:12 <+ports> i knew it would
06:13 <@nikky> HAWHAWHhhhhhhfjfjfjgjgjgjgjgjhgjfrurejrfjhgfjhgfjhrfjurhurfjgfgtjfukjkcgtfgjfkcutgfkcugfkcugjkfdlgjtgjgjjgjggjjgtgjgjgjgjgjgkfkfkfkfkdldldldldldldldl
06:13 < StormHTC> nikky actually its a kernel cmdlime issue
06:13 <@nikky> droid does
06:13 <@nikky> winmo hardware doesn't
06:14 <+ports> that's what she said
06:14 <@nikky> haha
06:14 <@nikky> girls don't like winmo
06:14 < StormHTC> nikky its a onscreen kbd
06:15 <+ports> nikky, my exgirlfriend loves her winmo phone
06:15 < StormHTC> but w/e
06:15 <@nikky> look at brandonw
06:15 <@nikky> he bas a droid
06:15 <@nikky> and girls are scrambling over each other for him
06:15 < BrandonW> The man speaks truth.
06:16 <@nikky> he fights them off, of course
06:16 <@nikky> he has hacking to do
06:17 < BrandonW> I push people away.
06:17 <@nikky> in fact, im drivnig to see bw right now!
06:18 < Jonimus> I won't lie I like Android but I still prefer WinMo
06:18 <@nikky> why?
06:18 < BrandonW> Wintard.
06:18 <@nikky> in pants with M$?
06:19 < Jonimus> at least currently I have better access to lower level stuff in winmo
06:19 < Jonimus> and my hardware isn't fully supported in the version of android that I was useing
06:19 < Jonimus> if I went with a 1.6 build I'd be set but this is jsut the first one I tried
06:19 <@nikky> so you like winmo because of hardware issues
06:19 <@nikky> kk
06:20 < Jonimus> no
06:20 < Jonimus> the other way around troll
06:20 <@nikky> you likke winmo because of software issues?
06:21 < Jonimus> um no I like WinMo because it lets me do stuff Google's Android OS doesn't with my hardware
06:21 <@nikky> hey now
06:21 <@nikky> I'm not a troll, despite what omnidrones say.
06:21 < DSP_Lord> liar.
06:22 < Jonimus> it also lets me switch apps much quicker, though once I get used to Android that may change
06:22 < Jonimus> and I can have more apps running at one time
06:22 <@nikky> android != iphone
06:22 <@nikky> champ :)
06:22 < Jonimus> nikky, I know
06:22 <@nikky> you're fighting the wrong enemy!
06:23 < Jonimus> I agree
06:23 < Jonimus> but you started the fight
06:23 <@nikky> we should yell at andy
06:23 < BrandonW> The iPhone sucks.
06:23 <@nikky> winmo kicks the crap out of iphones
06:23 < Jonimus> very much agreed
06:23 < DSP_Lord> say what you will about the iPhone.
06:24 < DSP_Lord> but imho any device that has the battery hardwired into the circuitry is absolute fail.
06:24 < Jonimus> DSP_Lord, doesn't the iPhone do that?
06:24 < DSP_Lord> that is my biggest reason i will never ever get one.
06:24 < DSP_Lord> yes it does :P
06:24 <@nikky> so true
06:24 < Jonimus> ahh yeah
06:24 < Jonimus> very true
06:24 <@nikky> iphones ifails
06:24 < DSP_Lord> also lolapple <_<
06:24 < Jonimus> the only macs I own aren't even made by apple
06:24 <@nikky> applelol
06:25 < Jonimus> :P
06:25 <@nikky> lololololololololololl
06:25 < BrandonW> I have to take the battery out to get to my Droid SD card.
06:25 < BrandonW> So fail on that.
06:25 < DSP_Lord> ewwwww
06:25 < DSP_Lord> that is fail also, why would they do that.
06:25 < DSP_Lord> that's actually more irritating than a hardwired battery.
06:25 < Jonimus> and they don't even do the one thing that people claim Apples are great at, just working.
06:25 < Jonimus> DSP_Lord, at least it has an SD card slot
06:26 < DSP_Lord> still.
06:26 < BrandonW> But it came with a 16GB microSD card that I never have any need to replace.
06:26 < bsparks> Jonimus, Your 'macs' are the original Hackintoshes
06:26 < bsparks> which are great
06:26 < bsparks> at not working
06:26 < BrandonW> But if I wanted to take it out to put in a USB SD card adapter, I'm out of luck.
06:26 < Jonimus> bsparks, they were offically licensenced
06:26 < Jonimus> at least the powertower was
06:27 < bsparks> Jonimus, they were barely licensed
06:27 < Jonimus> Apple sold them the OS so I'd say it was hell apple even bought them out in the end
06:27 < bsparks> and even still, the license was revoked for doing it wrong :p
06:27 < Jonimus> but either way they don't work
06:28 <@nikky> brandonw... but why would you swap the !# card that often?
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06:29 < Randomist> s:\#!:#!:
06:29 <@nikky> diaf
06:30 <@nikky> omg
06:30 <@nikky> in connectbot
06:30 <@nikky> the camera button switches screens in screens
06:30 <@nikky> love
06:31 < Randomist> Xzibit must have one.
06:31 < StormHTC> i will say this irc client is better than any thing for winmo
06:32 * StormHTC wants connect bot to work
06:32 <@nikky> hello
06:32 <@nikky> wanna orange
06:32 <@nikky> i do
06:32 < Randomist> [Nikky's "Hello" echoing."
06:32 < Randomist> ]
06:32 <@nikky> lol
06:33 <@nikky> hawhawirfunnynao
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06:34 < Randomist> Bored Nikky is bored.
06:34 < StormHTC> illhave to try some other android builds later
06:35 < StormHTC> well gnight all
06:35 <@nikky> i am bored
06:35 <@nikky> see ya
06:35 <@nikky> stuck at a boring party
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06:36 < Jonimus> ahh thats why nikky's on his phone
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06:36 <@nikky> yeah
06:36 <@nikky> usually boring gatherings is when i use my phone to irc
06:37 < Randomist> What are they discussing? Apple products or something?
06:37 < Jonimus> yeah the WInMo IRC clients are lacking
06:37 <@nikky> nah
06:37 < DSP_Lord> PocketIRC.
06:37 < Jonimus> I should really learn my way around irssi and use it
06:37 <@nikky> irssi is love
06:37 < Jonimus> DSP_Lord, it isn't free iirc
06:37 < DSP_Lord> it's kinda buggy though.
06:37 < DSP_Lord> uh
06:37 < DSP_Lord> it was last time i checked.
06:37 < Jonimus> zsirc is what I've been useing
06:37 < Jonimus> o'rly
06:37 < DSP_Lord> i've never paid for it.
06:37 <@nikky> suck it dry
06:38 < DSP_Lord> and i've had it on my phone for close to 2 years <_<
06:38 * Randomist look at Weechat and gets ready to jump in.
06:38 < Jonimus> I'll have to add it to my next Rom build and try it out
06:38 < Jonimus> Randomist, yeah I tried it was ok
06:38 <@nikky> weechat is lake
06:38 <@nikky> lame
06:39 < DSP_Lord> your face is lame.
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06:39 <@nikky> I haven't trally found a good im app for android besides talk/xmpp
06:39 <@nikky> im thinikg about just using centerim in a screen
06:39 <@nikky> like i do on a netbook
06:39 < Jonimus> finch?
06:39 <@nikky> sucks
06:40 < Jonimus> ahh
06:40 <@nikky> centerim is way better
06:40 <@nikky> and... i never could figure out finch
06:40 < Randomist> Finch's TGUI thingy is lulzy.
06:41 <@nikky> yeah
06:41 < Randomist> You shouldn't have to manage windows in your windows. Especially when you're in a friggin' terminal. :P
06:42 <@nikky> says the tiling wm user
06:42 <@nikky> ...
06:42 <@nikky> @
06:42 <@nikky> @.@
06:42 <@nikky> ;.;
06:42 <@nikky> #_@
06:43 < Jonimus> Randomist, do you use weechat?
06:43 < Randomist> Not yet.
06:43 < Jonimus> ahh still useing x-chat then I assume
06:43 < Randomist> Fuck, no. :P
06:43 <@nikky> irssi iz bter
06:44 < Randomist> Been using Irssi for a long while.
06:44 <@nikky> wait
06:44 <@nikky> you ujse it?
06:44 <@nikky> I'd better switch
06:44 < Randomist> Weechat's looking quite good now, isn't it? :)
06:45 <@nikky> weechat wasn't that great wheb i tried it a year or so ago
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06:47 <@nikky> hai
06:47 < TheStorm> hmm weechat doesn't look to bad
06:47 <@nikky> it's not bad
06:47 < TheStorm> almost as if xchat was curses based
06:49 <@nikky> lick
06:49 < Randomist> I wish Irssi could figure out the contrast of your terminal so it won't put white on white: http://wintervenom.brandonw.net/Screenshot.png
06:53 < TheStorm> yeah I could get used to this
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06:53 < TheStorm> juse need to configure logs and I'd be set
06:54 < Randomist> The Defender of the TI-89 has left.
06:54 < TheStorm> nikky: the IM client was called centerIM?
07:01 < TheStorm> hmm seems pretty nice actually
07:02 * TheStorm adds it to the list of apps that allow him to not use a GUI
07:02 < Randomist> On a mission to become a terminal junkie.
07:02 < TheStorm> well gnight all
07:02 < Randomist> 'Night.
07:02 < TheStorm> Randomist: no but knowing I can become one is power indeed
07:05 * TheStorm wonders if there is a way to have weechat act as a bouncer when my screen is detached...
07:07 < Jonimus> aww weechat doesn't auto away when the screen detaches
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07:08 < Randomist> There's probably some sort of script for that.
07:09 < Jonimus> yeah I know most people with irssi can do ti
07:09 < Jonimus> it*
07:09 < Jonimus> but gnight for real this time
07:09 < DrDnar> This compiled Visual Basic .NET program is less than 80 K. I'm amazed.
07:09 < Jonimus> lol
07:10 <@nikky> thcenterim, alpine
07:10 <@nikky> end
07:10 <@nikky> actually, just alpine
07:11 <@nikky> Jonimus: ^
07:12 < Randomist> Alpine is awesomeness.
07:12 < Randomist> I haven't tried Mutt yet.
07:12 <+Genolo> alpine is the default root password to ssh into an iphone
07:12 < Randomist> (And I only say the former, because Pine was the first e-mail/newsgroup client I ever used when I was on VMS. :P)
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07:16 < jr19> default password you say?
07:19 <+Goplat> DrDnar: that's only if you don't count the gigantic .NET runtime it requires
07:27 < DrDnar> yeah
07:39 <+ports> jr19, nigga why u awake
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07:42 < iGenolo> It all makes sense now
07:42 < iGenolo> My laptops heat sensor is shot!
07:42 < DrDnar> cool . . . not
07:42 < iGenolo> It wont turn on because the heat sensor says it's overheatig
07:42 < iGenolo> So it immediately turns off
07:43 < jr19> good work holmes
07:43 < iGenolo> I noticed that they were stuck at zero
07:43 < iGenolo> Every since this started happening
07:44 < iGenolo> So in order to turn on it needs to be perfectly cool
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07:44 <@nikky> Yay Alpine!
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07:45 < iGenolo> Well now that I figured that out
07:45 < iGenolo> How the fuck do I get this thing to turn on
07:46 < iGenolo> Last time I unscrewed the back
07:52 < jr19> unscrew it again
07:53 < iGenolo> Just did
07:53 < iGenolo> This shits dusty
07:54 < jr19> lol 24/7 geeksquad online support
07:54 < jr19> just what i need is those turds roaming around in my computer
07:54 < iGenolo> tcpa support > geeksquad
07:55 * iGenolo hides
07:56 < jr19> "Weird pop-ups? Confused on how to use a .txt file? I'm here to eliminate all of your techno-stress!"
07:56 < jr19> i'm glad Ian G. can help me use a .txt file
07:57 < jr19> http://support.geeksquad.com/support/expert
07:57 < iGenolo> They need an exper work with a txt file?
07:58 < jr19> some people might
07:59 < jr19> showing of common file extensions in windows might confuse some people if it gets turned on somehow
07:59 < jr19> which is sad, but it's the world we live in
07:59 < iGenolo> This thing is perfectly cool and won't turn on
08:00 < iGenolo> Sigh
08:00 < iGenolo> I need /home off of it
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08:00 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION: Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
08:00 * Randomist scratches his head at Weechat.
08:00 < iGenolo> Should I keep mashing the button until it turns on
08:01 < jr19> holy shit
08:01 < jr19> $129.99 just for 2 device networking help
08:02 < jr19> "get your email client set up for $69.99"
08:02 < jr19> i am in the wrong business
08:02 < jr19> i need to start charging $70 to set up email for people
08:02 < iGenolo> Way
08:03 < iGenolo> What
08:03 < iGenolo> What
08:03 < iGenolo> That makes no sense
08:03 < jr19> stop that.
08:03 < iGenolo> So they mean like setup thunderbird(
08:03 < iGenolo> ?*
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08:03 < jr19> looks like it
08:14 <@nikky> nono
08:14 <@nikky> they can add an ipod touch to your existing network for 80 bucks
08:14 <@nikky> now that's gold
08:17 <@nikky> there's a free 7 minute consultation about if you should upgrade to windows 7
08:17 <@nikky> someone should do that
08:18 <@nikky> "Yes, I'm running Debian with a tiling window manager, and my primary e-mail client is alpine"
08:18 <@nikky> "Can that be matched in windows 7?"
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08:18 <+Genolo> double nigger of a laptop finally turned on
08:19 <@nikky> uh
08:20 <+Genolo> after i flipped it over, took the battery out, unscrewed the back and let it sit for 30 mins
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08:28 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION: Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
08:28 < Randomist> O.o
08:28 < Randomist> The hell?
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08:48 <+Genolo> the only bad thing about this laptop is usb port placement
08:48 <+Genolo> as far as i can tell
08:48 <+Genolo> which isn't really a big deal
08:48 < Randomist> So many colours...
08:48 < Randomist> Da--er, uh, I mean, "colors."
08:50 < JoeYoung> ...
08:51 * Randomist whistles innocently.
08:51 < JoeYoung> In all the times I have ever been banned, this is the first time I was sent the entire forum discussion and personal shit list via email lol XD
08:51 < Randomist> What'd Kevin do, now?
08:51 < JoeYoung> You're on there too, Nikky, along with someone else.
08:52 < chronomex> am I?
08:52 < JoeYoung> he's just being Kevin.
08:52 < chronomex> JoeYoung: am I on the list?
08:52 < JoeYoung> I don't know if I have the whole shit list, just three names on it.
08:52 < chronomex> oh.
08:52 < chronomex> who's the third?
08:52 < JoeYoung> Subaru
08:52 < chronomex> hrm I t hink I remember him
08:52 < JoeYoung> omnimaga member
08:52 < chronomex> been a while
08:52 < chronomex> !seen subaru
08:52 <@efneTI86> chronomex, I don't remember seeing subaru.
08:52 < chronomex> he used something slightly different
08:52 < DSP_Lord> !seen subaruzx
08:53 <@efneTI86> DSP_Lord, I don't remember seeing subaruzx.
08:53 <@efneTI86> DSP_Lord, CalcBot says: SubaruZX (~Yuusha-ou@c-174-51-8-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) was last seen joining #cemetech 12 hours, 23 minutes ago. SubaruZX is still on #cemetech.
08:53 < DSP_Lord> ¯\(°_o)/¯
08:53 < chronomex> wait does our botnet query theirs?
08:53 < chronomex> clever
08:53 < DSP_Lord> that is news to me as well.
08:54 < chronomex> I like it though
08:54 < Randomist> Bots are gathering intellegence.
08:54 < chronomex> nah, it's just distributed nickserv
08:55 < Randomist> [Like Dale Gribble:] That's what *they* want you to think!
08:55 < chronomex> mmm gribble
08:55 < chronomex> I think I'll make *gribble* the word of the day
08:56 < JoeYoung> The cool thing about this email is that I know who else has me on their shit list too.
08:57 < JoeYoung> since the ban reason was absolutely absurd.
08:57 < Randomist> Omnimaga: The Movie.
08:58 < Randomist> Epic drama.
08:59 < JoeYoung> oh, hold on now.....
09:00 < JoeYoung> Kevin edited the IRC logs before posting them to the forum... :O
09:00 < JoeYoung> well, should have seen that coming....
09:00 < Randomist> [Dramatic music.]
09:00 < JoeYoung> It's a government conspiracy!
09:00 < DSP_Lord> clearly you are making a big deal about this.
09:01 < JoeYoung> Well, it was funny till I found out he was lying :/
09:01 < DSP_Lord> you got banned from an IRC channel, big deal.
09:02 < chronomex> and not just any irc channel
09:02 < chronomex> an irc channel run by and for idiots
09:02 < Randomist> "OMG, i got b& on teh Internets!"
09:02 < DSP_Lord> one that at least half the people in here have been/are banned from.
09:03 < chronomex> yeah
09:03 < chronomex> and we're all cool people
09:03 < chronomex> so clearly they're uncool
09:03 < DSP_Lord> your life is clearly over, whatever will you do.
09:03 < chronomex> anyway
09:03 < chronomex> mplayer star_trek_voyager.s04e0something*.avi
09:04 < Randomist> I'm surprised he hasn't gone crazy yet and made Omnimaga only private to himself.
09:04 < Randomist> Eventually, he'll ban himself.
09:04 < Randomist> (Oh, wait... he's already done that before. :P)
09:05 < JoeYoung> ¯\(°_o)/¯
09:08 < chronomex> why am I getting 2mbytes/sec on my lan ...
09:08 < DSP_Lord> because dicks?
09:08 * chronomex sighs
09:10 < chronomex> whatever
09:11 < DSP_Lord> :<
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09:14 < iGenolo> Considering the price of optical media, why the hell are video games these days so expensive
09:14 < DSP_Lord> the content on said media?
09:14 < iGenolo> Millions of people buy them
09:14 < DSP_Lord> just maybe?
09:14 < iGenolo> So why charge so damn much
09:14 < iGenolo> That doesn't make sense to me
09:15 < DSP_Lord> let's see you put millions of dollars into developing an original game (or a remake, for that matter) and then sell it for $10.
09:15 < iGenolo> It took a year to delelop and millions of people pay over $50
09:15 < DSP_Lord> how much sense would that make?
09:15 < DSP_Lord> also, you don't HAVE to buy it new.
09:15 < DSP_Lord> this is what GameStop is for.
09:15 < DSP_Lord> wait a year, boom, $30
09:15 < iGenolo> It just seems like such a rip off to me
09:16 < DSP_Lord> with some games, yes.
09:16 < iGenolo> Games these days suck
09:16 < iGenolo> I still play my snes
09:16 < DSP_Lord> but with games with high replay value or hours of gameplay, it's worth it to me.
09:16 < JoeYoung> play osu
09:16 < JoeYoung> fun and free
09:17 < iGenolo> if it's high enough replay value it's worth it
09:17 < iGenolo> Joeyoung I have that on my ipod
09:17 < DSP_Lord> read: any multiplayer game that people still play.
09:17 < iGenolo> Someone ported it
09:17 < DSP_Lord> (except Gears 2, 95% of people who play that are douchebags)
09:17 < iGenolo> But no one ported it to linux
09:17 < JoeYoung> linux sucks anyway
09:17 < Exploiter> http://www.tinychat.com/desu
09:18 < DSP_Lord> oh look, a link containing the word desu.
09:18 < DSP_Lord> not clicking.
09:18 < JoeYoung> wtf?
09:19 < Exploiter> it's tinychat lul
09:19 < Exploiter> group webcam
09:19 < DSP_Lord> ...
09:19 < DSP_Lord> i am going to bed now, that is way too easy to make fun of.
09:19 < Exploiter> it's lolz
09:20 < Exploiter> just felt like doing some random advertising
09:24 < iGenolo> Hey guys you should all join #tcpa it's a super cool place away from all those trolls
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09:56 <@efneTI92> [Netham46] "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." -Scissors
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12:05 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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14:54 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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16:09 <@efneTI92> [Dauron] We called it Sin.
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16:12 <@efneTI92> [Netham46] "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." -Scissors
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16:20 < i_c-Y> http://consumerist.com/2010/01/ah-yes-facebook-flavored-vitaminwater-we-needed-that.html
16:23 <+krisk> haha
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16:39 < BrandonW> What a mess...
16:39 < BrandonW> Apparently 9C16h contains the penRow/penCol homescreen coordinates on the TI-73.
16:39 < BrandonW> Forget curRow/curCol.
16:40 < BrandonW> It would've been nice if TI documented even a little bit how that crappy homescreen works...
16:40 < Merthsoft> I have to poop.
16:49 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/chameleon.zip Now Chameleon creates signed 73U OS upgrade files using the (embedded) 02 key (which is going to ticalc.org).
16:50 < BrandonW> I think that would be the first attempt to host the keys on ticalc.org.
16:51 < BrandonW> Not all of them, just any key.
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16:59 < BrandonW> It appears WikiTI spam has all but stopped since the CAPTCHA.
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17:05 < azerti> hi !
17:05 < BrandonW> Hi.
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17:09 < BrandonW> Looks like the WikiTI spam stopped, DrDnar.
17:10 < BrandonW> I also changed the FTP password because I forgot it and you weren't around to ask.
17:11 < DrDnar> I was going to try doing something about it too, but I don't know much about web sites or PHP.
17:11 < BrandonW> I don't know anything about wikis, but the CAPTCHA was piss easy to install.
17:14 < DrDnar> It looked like might consist of adding or changing some PHP file.
17:14 < DrDnar> it^
17:31 <@nikky> hi
17:31 < BrandonW> MediaWiki actually supports hooks, so you really have to do very little aside from putting it in the /extensions folder and including/require_once'ing it.
17:34 < DrDnar> When I was reading the Wiki documentation, it looked like some operations required a command line.
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17:36 < BrandonW> Some parts can be a pain to set up.
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17:41 < bsparks> Fun times BrandonW
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17:53 < DrDnar> Anyone good with computer hardware?
17:53 <+krisk> ask the question and youll see
17:53 <+rcfreak0> what kind of hardware? ^
17:54 < DrDnar> I have an older computer with an odd problem. To start the computer, I have to remove the power connector from the motherboard and hold it in the socket in such a way that some pins connect and some don't. Then I have to press the power button, and when the fans start spinning, shove the connector the rest of the way in.
17:55 < DrDnar> If the timing is wrong, the computer won't start.
17:55 <+rcfreak0> bad psu? or bad mobo.
17:55 < DrDnar> PSU? Power supply?
17:56 <+rcfreak0> yes
17:56 < BrandonW> I vote funky power supply or connector on it.
17:56 <+rcfreak0> ^
17:56 <+rcfreak0> or bad connector on the mobo
17:56 < DrDnar> When the motherboard is plugged in and off, the light on the back of power supply flashes.
17:56 < BrandonW> Try another power supply and see if the same thing happens.
17:57 < E-J> asmand: http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2010011010903882_uu.shtml
17:57 <+krisk> or cable
17:57 < BrandonW> I doubt the cable's easily replaceable.
17:57 < DrDnar> Alright. The last time I had an odd booting problem, it turned out that a USB hub was feeding power back into the motherboard.
17:57 <+krisk> BrandonW: the pwoer cable to the psu from the wall socket
17:58 < DrDnar> I figured this out when I disconnected all internal connectors on the board and the power light on the computer stayed on.
17:58 <+rcfreak0> weird
17:58 <+krisk> you buy awesome motherboards
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18:14 <+geekboy> ouch
18:24 <@nikky> lame
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18:31 < jr19> hello
18:34 <+krisk> heyo
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18:37 < jr19> whats going on
18:41 <+krisk> not much
18:48 < jr19> hmm i see
18:48 < jr19> what did you do last night krisk
18:50 <+krisk> hmm went out in this pathetic pop music city
18:52 < jr19> pop music city?
18:53 < jr19> you must have had some fun
18:53 <+krisk> everything in this city is shitty loud pop music
18:53 <+krisk> with drunk sheeple everywhere
18:55 < jr19> heh ok
18:58 < jr19> i just avoid that by staying home
19:00 <+krisk> home is cold and lonely
19:01 < jr19> i just find it to be relaxing
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19:11 <+krisk> i find social contact to be relaxing as well
19:11 <+krisk> social contact at home is the most relaxing, but still
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19:24 <+krisk> having a cute gf to hang out with almost every day is so much more fun though
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19:27 <@efneTI92> [KermEEE] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
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19:41 < jr19> yeah if she doesnt do stupid things
19:46 <+krisk> hmhmm
19:47 < jr19> i am really bored today
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19:47 <@efneTI92> [KermM] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
19:47 <+krisk> same
19:48 < KermM> pop quiz, yay or nay
19:48 < KermM> ok to connect 5v gnd and 12v from a computer's psu together?
19:48 < DrDnar> nay?
19:49 < KermM> I don't know, I'm asking you guys
19:49 < KermM> my external hard drive's power brick stopped working
19:49 < DrDnar> You're giving the quiz.
19:49 < KermM> it supplies 5v, 12v, and a common ground
19:49 < KermM> I want to hack a regular molex connector to grab power from the computer's psu
19:49 < KermM> but I don't like the idea of connecting the 5v ground to the 12v ground for everything else
19:50 < KermM> eh, the internet says it's ok, I'll give it a try :P
19:51 < KermM> the worst I could do is pull a Randomist
19:51 < E-J> http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3608/runlikeagirl.jpg
19:51 < Andy_J> ground is ground is ground
19:52 < Andy_J> now -5V and -12V are *NOT* ground
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19:52 < Andy_J> AFAIK
19:54 < jr19> how far do you know
19:56 < Andy_J> probably not as far as KermM, in retrospect :p
19:58 < jr19> so...my kid doesnt like the chunks in some of the soup stuff we have for him, but he'll eat sour patch kids
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20:05 < i_c-Y> lamest movie of all eternity: the mummy : tomb of the dragon emperor
20:05 < jr19> is that like the 5th one or something
20:06 < Netham45> yes, and it's the same thing as the rest of them.
20:06 <+krisk> wooo torrents downloading veronica mars at 4.7kbps
20:07 < i_c-Y> :)
20:07 < i_c-Y> veronica mars is awesome
20:07 <+krisk> yeah i watched the first 3 eps or so
20:07 <+krisk> but torrents suck
20:08 < Netham45> lose your usenet connection?
20:09 <+krisk> not usenetting at the moment because everything on there GETS DONE REALLY FAST
20:09 < i_c-Y> i should start watching season 3
20:09 <+krisk> fuck having 800 connections open to download at 150kbps from greedy faggots somewhere on the internet
20:10 < jr19> can't you find it on usenet
20:10 <+krisk> hmm no
20:10 <+krisk> i like how having 32 torrent connections open at 100kbps total bogs down my entire internet connection
20:11 < jr19> weird
20:11 < jr19> i thought all things were on usent
20:11 < jr19> usenet
20:11 < jr19> all things popular
20:11 <+krisk> http://www.yabsearch.com/search/veronica+mars
20:16 < jr19> i'm watching a nexus one vs iphone 3gs review
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20:18 <@efneTI92> [Jonimus_] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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20:36 * Randomist waves, and wonders if he can have more than one terminal on the same Screen session.
20:38 < Netham45> yea
20:38 < Netham45> screen -x, If I recall correctly
20:39 < jr19> doesn't screen -x just attach to a non-detached scren
20:39 < jr19> screen*
20:40 < Netham45> I think you can use it to attach 2 terminals to one session
20:40 < Netham45> I know it's possible, I did it when I had to let some guy onto my box to try to resolve a bug in a driver
20:40 < Netham45> but that was like 3 years ago
20:47 < Barrett> Netham45, do you have a job yet?
20:47 < Netham45> No. =/
20:54 < jr19> why not
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20:56 < jr19> n vbz;x//''
21:00 <+ports> ok
21:01 < jr19> that was brody's doing
21:01 <+ports> i know
21:02 < Randomist> Looks like he was trying to connect to a network share. :P
21:02 < jr19> yes kinda
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21:24 < BrandonW> Why do we care if Netham has a job?
21:25 <+ports> BrandonW, because I'm human.
21:25 < BrandonW> We care whether Netham has a job because you're human?
21:26 <+ports> Food for thought.
21:27 < DrDnar> Well I'm a beryllium-based lifeform from Sedna! Think about THAT!
21:30 < BrandonW> I can't believe TI actually responded about the extra RAM.
21:30 < Andy_J> oh>?
21:30 < BrandonW> At least there's no confusion with the 83+SE, it was discontinued long before this problem came up.
21:30 < BrandonW> Yeah, the RAM has been removed.
21:30 < Andy_J> lame
21:31 < DrDnar> I bet they saved nearly ten cents per unit by doing that.
21:31 < BrandonW> That just boggles the mind...the TI-OS is still written to access the extra RAM in pairs.
21:31 < Andy_J> how much was removed?
21:31 < BrandonW> 96KB.
21:31 < DrDnar> 80K
21:31 < BrandonW> Right, sorry.
21:31 < BrandonW> I've been saying 96 for way too long.
21:31 < Andy_J> so 48k left?
21:32 < DrDnar> yeah, 48 K
21:32 < Andy_J> lame
21:32 < BrandonW> Yes.
21:32 <+krisk> lol jr19 remember when i told about that delivery pick up at a shop thing? i completely forgot to pick up the 1.5tb drive i ordered 1.5 weeks ago
21:33 < DrDnar> You think Microsoft will kill me if I copy a disk with a Word 2.0a on it?
21:33 < Randomist> Not if you don't get caught.
21:33 < Randomist> Even less so, if you don't ask IRC before doing so. :P
21:34 < DrDnar> I'm returning the backup to the person to whom it's registered. This is so old it predates the registry.
21:35 <+ports> lol
21:35 < DrDnar> Don't look now---I'm stealing a font from it!
21:36 < Randomist> [Points to DrDnar.] That man is stealing from Microsoft!
21:37 <+krisk> ports im watching the first ep of community now
21:37 <+ports> k
21:39 < E-J> http://naurunappula.com/536049
21:43 < BrandonW> Quite frankly, if the USB coding wasn't so shitty, they could probably eliminate the last extra RAM page.
21:43 < DrDnar> Shh!
21:50 < BrandonW> Holy crap, I just noticed something.
21:50 < BrandonW> With the 73 OSes and hardware versions.
21:51 < BrandonW> On my newest 73 Explorer with boot code 1.3007, I got "Version Error" when trying to send OS 1.60 to it.
21:51 < BrandonW> I must understand this.
21:52 < BrandonW> 1.91 sends fine.
21:52 < BrandonW> And I know the execution protection changed in that one.
21:52 < BrandonW> I have always wondered how in the hell the execution protection works with 1.90-.
21:55 < BrandonW> Boot code 1.3005 doesn't even HAVE "Version Error"!
21:58 < BrandonW> I was not aware of this.
21:58 < BrandonW> That means the execution protection probably changed between versions.
21:59 < BrandonW> Holy shit, the 1.3007 boot code is actually coded to refuse any OS below 1.85.
21:59 <+ports> lol
22:00 < BrandonW> This means I have to change the OS2 version number
22:00 < BrandonW> Unreal.
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22:02 < bsparks> badass o.o
22:02 < bsparks> I didn't think TI would think of something like that
22:03 < DrDnar> Any speculation for why TI did another random hardware change?
22:03 < BrandonW> It's downright retarded...that's what the point of the hardware version number is!
22:03 < BrandonW> DrDnar, they changed the way the Flash execution protection works on the 73 (since it was shit to start with)...the OS now sets it starting with OS 1.85.
22:03 < BrandonW> Or 1.91, I'm not sure which.
22:03 < BrandonW> Before it was never even setting it.
22:04 < BrandonW> But the boot code set it to "disable all", so to this day I have no idea how Flash apps were even working on the damn thing.
22:04 < BrandonW> Which is what I'm trying to figure out now.
22:05 < Barrett> newegg's prices for SSDs is currently higher than it was 6 months ago
22:05 < Barrett> for the exact same SSDs
22:05 < Barrett> and.... much higher
22:05 < Barrett> I got this one for under $400: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227395
22:06 < i_c-Y> lame.
22:06 < BrandonW> The 73 boot code doesn't have the BCALL _SetFlashLowerBound, which is what sets the permissions on the 83+ series.
22:06 < BrandonW> And the OS calls that.
22:07 < bsparks> Maybe the devs of these newer calcs didn't understand how the old ones worked
22:07 < bsparks> I think there is a lot of mis-information and black magic mojo going on at TI
22:07 < BrandonW> The old form of protection was sector-based anyway, so it couldn't even be used.
22:08 < BrandonW> I mean I can't really blame them, the 73 is the first revision of the 83+ series hardware, we're talking circa 1997 here...
22:08 < BrandonW> It was probably pretty genius at the time.
22:09 < bsparks> Probably
22:10 < BrandonW> Yeah, it started writing to port 16h with OS 1.91.
22:10 < BrandonW> So...
22:10 < BrandonW> I'm guessing if you run OS 1.85 on a 73 with boot code 1.3007, you have no Flash execution protection at all.
22:10 < BrandonW> Or OS 1.90.
22:12 < BrandonW> Hm...
22:13 < BrandonW> I think it's even better than that.
22:13 < BrandonW> I think they switched it to the 83+ form of execution protection.
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22:14 < BrandonW> Why they would suddenly choose to care that they have no execution protection, I don't know.
22:15 < Barrett> _Auron_, here?
22:15 < i_c-Y> "The NY Times has an interesting report on the iGeneration, born in the '90s and this decade, comparing them to the Net Generation, born in the 1980s. The Net Generation spend two hours a day talking on the phone and still use e-mail frequently while the iGeneration — conceivably their younger siblings — spends considerably more time texting than talking on the phone, pays less attention to television than the older group, and tends to commu
22:15 < Barrett> in the stroids demo it says the full version is 2.99... but it's 1.99 now
22:17 < bsparks> So? It's on sale? >_>
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22:18 < BrandonW> You know, I just don't know.
22:19 < BrandonW> All boot code versions write 0Ch to port 16h.
22:19 < BrandonW> And don't touch port 5.
22:19 < BrandonW> But only OS 1.91 writes 8 to port 16h.
22:22 < BrandonW> Even the 83+ boot code actually checks bit 1 of port 2 to see how to handle port 16h.
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22:23 <@efneTI92> [Jonimus] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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22:26 < chronomex> steampunk star wars, anyone? http://www.theglitch.ws/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/sp_z-group-hero.jpg
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22:27 <@efneTI92> [Netham46] "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." -Scissors
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22:28 <@efneTI92> [KermEEE] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
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22:33 < DrDnar> meh
22:34 < BrandonW> Okay, so, the 73 has no RAM execution protection at all, and the Flash execution protection can only apply to a sector at a time, so if you have a Flash application taking up a part of a sector, you can execute in the other part. Which is bad.
22:34 < BrandonW> So they reworked it starting with the 83+.
22:34 < BrandonW> They both seem to set the default protection to something totally nonsensical.
22:34 < BrandonW> Either pages 08h-0Fh are non-executable or 10h-13h.
22:35 < BrandonW> And pages 14h-15h seem to remain executable on the 83+.
22:35 < BrandonW> But it's all good, because the OS fixes it.
22:35 < BrandonW> At least on the 83+. I still can't see where it sets it on the 73.
22:39 < BrandonW> What in the hell? 1.3005 returns A=0 from _getHardwareVersion, but 1.3007 returns A=0 and B=1.
22:39 < bsparks> o.0
22:39 < BrandonW> And get this...1.3007 returns 1.02 as the boot code version, but when you DISPLAY it, it's 1.3007.
22:39 < bsparks> I told you, black magic mojo
22:40 < BrandonW> I've never seen such a ridiculous thing in all my life, a funcion that returns 1.02 but displays 1.3007.
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22:40 < BrandonW> function*
22:40 <@efneTI92> [Jonimus_] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
22:41 < bsparks> I think they were just lazy in getting it to return the right number
22:41 < bsparks> Or, at this point, really are fucking with you
22:41 < bsparks> through time
22:41 < DrDnar> For that matter, why do they need to the two zeros?
22:41 < BrandonW> And 1.3005 returns 1.00.
22:41 < DrDnar> Why not just display 1.37?
22:41 < BrandonW> The 73 boot code displays it on the 3rd row, but the 83+ boot code displays it on the first row.
22:41 < BrandonW> But the 73 OS NEVER CALLS IT.
22:42 < BrandonW> bsparks, you're right, they're fucking with me.
22:42 < bsparks> There is no rightful reason for this, other that to deter hackers
22:43 < BrandonW> There are signs here that they have a core version of the boot code that they use for all these calculators.
22:43 < BrandonW> And it gets branched to support the various models and updates.
22:43 < bsparks> That wouldn't surprise me actually
22:43 < BrandonW> As far as main versions, we've only seen 1.00, 1.01, and 1.02.
22:43 < BrandonW> It means shit in the grand scheme of things, but those are the core versions.
22:43 < DrDnar> TI has some secret stuff in their development tools.
22:44 < bsparks> I mean, think about it. All your calculators run on very similar hardware, so why make large changes for everyone. Just patch what works and call it a new versin
22:44 < bsparks> *version
22:44 <+Genolo> lolwtf
22:44 < BrandonW> But they didn't take the massive rewrite they did with the 84+/SE boot code and apply it to 73 1.3007.
22:44 <+Genolo> i was pressing random page on wikiti for a while
22:44 <+Genolo> and it gave me
22:44 <+Genolo> http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=%C3%84%C2%BD%C5%B8%C3%A6%E2%80%93%E2%80%A1%C3%A4%C2%B8%E2%82%AC%C3%A6%C5%93%C2%AC%C3%A4%C2%B8%C2%A2%C3%A7%C2%BF%C2%BB%C3%A5%C2%8D%C2%AB%C3%A5%E2%80%A0%E2%80%A2%C3%A5%E2%80%A0%C2%A0%C3%A5%E2%80%A0%E2%80%BA
22:45 < DrDnar> It does that.
22:45 <+Genolo> it is indeed a random pag
22:45 <+Genolo> e
22:45 < DrDnar> They're in the list of all pages too.
22:46 < BrandonW> If they HAD applied the 84+/SE changes to the 73 boot code, they would've fixed the battery trick.
22:46 < BrandonW> Which they obviously had an interest in fixing.
22:46 < BrandonW> So why not apply it to all?
22:46 < BrandonW> Which makes me think they don't really have a core version.
22:46 < bsparks> BrandonW, what if...
22:46 < DrDnar> I think they branched the code, and haven't backported the change.
22:46 < bsparks> ^
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22:46 < BrandonW> So back to the original point, what logic is there with 1.00/1.01/1.02?
22:47 < DrDnar> You know, they select all the source files in a directory, and copy them into a new one. New model!
22:47 < bsparks> BrandonW, maybe not all the same engineers are in charge of the models.
22:47 < BrandonW> Okay everybody, it's time to put this to bed. I'm dumping every calculator I have and doing diffs.
22:47 < DrDnar> {1.00, 1.01, 1.02} is a more logical number scheme than the 1.3005 to 1.3007 thing.
22:47 < BrandonW> I'll write a dumper you guys can run.
22:47 < bsparks> Not one I can run >_>
22:48 < DrDnar> I can send you my USB ROM dump.
22:48 < bsparks> Unless BrandonW is just writing it to be run on-calc
22:48 < Andy_J> I have no idea how to link my calcs anymore
22:48 < Andy_J> I haven't done so in ages
22:48 < BrandonW> I know for a fact they've made changes to a specific model's boot code and didn't update the version number.
22:49 < BrandonW> I think all of mine plus some of yours is a good start.
22:49 < BrandonW> I actually could make it small enough that you could enter it oncalc, but you still have to get the dump back to me somehow.
22:49 < bsparks> hm
22:49 < DrDnar> YouTube video, a la TI-81
22:49 < BrandonW> lol
22:50 < bsparks> was there ever a way to run ASM on the 81?
22:50 < BrandonW> There is now.
22:50 < BrandonW> It's really involved and a lot of typing, but it works.
22:50 < bsparks> ah
22:51 < Jonimus_> don't we have a rom dump from one also
22:51 < bsparks> who'd type out like, all of ashell by hand :p
22:51 < Jonimus_> from someone manually typeing it all out
22:51 < BrandonW> We do have a ROM dump of it capable of working in emulators.
22:51 < Jonimus_> ahh nice
22:51 < BrandonW> If I recall correctly, it's actually closer to an 86.
22:51 < BrandonW> Depends on which ROM dump you have.
22:53 < Jonimus_> I bet you they used the same core code and jsut forked it for each calc
22:54 < DrDnar> It's been suggested.
22:54 < bsparks> I wouldn't bet on anything at this point
22:54 < DrDnar> I'll bet you TI isn't willing to tell us.
22:54 < BrandonW> There are two major versions, the 73/83+/SE one and the 84+/SE one.
22:55 < Jonimus_> but I mean there are features in the TI-83+ OS that seem to be left over from the 86 and yet they aren't in the manual
22:55 < BrandonW> The jump from the first to the second was a major rewrite.
22:55 < Jonimus_> what about the 85/86?
22:55 < BrandonW> What about them? They don't have a boot page.
22:55 < bsparks> I don't think any of the calcs really suffer much from kibble
22:55 < Jonimus_> oh my bad I thought we were talking OS
22:56 * Jonimus_ rereads the scrool back
22:57 < Jonimus_> scroll*
22:58 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/dumpboot.zip Everyone who can, please run this and send me back the AppVar it created, and tell me what exact model it came from (83+ / 83+SE / 84+ / 84+SE).
22:58 < BrandonW> I'm going to update it in a minute for the 73.
22:58 < BrandonW> And I'll re-upload all the dumps so everyone can get to them.
22:58 * bsparks salutes
22:58 < bsparks> YESSIR
22:58 < BrandonW> And we can finally start figuring out what the deal is.
22:59 < BrandonW> To those who care, that is.
22:59 < DrDnar> http://pws.cablespeed.com/tehblueblur/ti83p/84PSE_v243.rom
22:59 < BrandonW> Or ROM dumps. :)
22:59 < DrDnar> Include certificate :)
22:59 < DrDnar> includes*
22:59 < Andy_J> let me go figure out how to link to my calcs again :)
23:00 < Andy_J> mainly, finding my silverlink
23:00 < DrDnar> I have no clue how old that ROM is, but I imagine it has some pretty crazy stuff on it.
23:01 < DrDnar> 10/7/2008 it looks like
23:01 < bsparks> god damn ti connect
23:01 < DrDnar> Actually, it seems to be totally empty.
23:01 < BrandonW> It now has a 73 version in there (it runs like a BASIC program).
23:02 < DrDnar> According to Wabbitemu.
23:02 < DrDnar> What does?
23:02 < BrandonW> The zip from above.
23:02 < DrDnar> oh
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23:02 < BrandonW> I'll put up a page so anyone who stumbles across it can do it, too.
23:02 < BrandonW> I meant to do this for the certificate, too.
23:03 < Andy_J> couldn't find my silverlink, but bouncing through my 84+ with direct USB and a unit-unit IO cable should work, right?
23:03 < Jonimus_> yeah
23:03 < BrandonW> No reaosn why it wouldn't.
23:03 < BrandonW> reason*
23:04 < DrDnar> And here I thought that ROM also had the certificate in it.
23:05 < DrDnar> Well, it still has the boot code in it, I hope.
23:05 -!- Netham47 [~Netham45@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa
23:05 <@efneTI92> [Netham47] "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." -Scissors
23:05 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham47] by efneTI86
23:05 < bsparks> BrandonW, http://ijuln.net/file/DUMPBOOT.8xv
23:06 < Andy_J> so how does the 64bit ti connect patch work? install ti connect normally then install it?
23:06 < BrandonW> It does, I extracted it.
23:06 < BrandonW> I believe so, yes.
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23:06 < BrandonW> What model is that from, bsparks?
23:06 < bsparks> oh, right
23:06 < bsparks> 84+SE
23:06 < bsparks> the OS ver doesn't matter, right?
23:07 < Andy_J> BrandonW: want the date codes from the back of the case, too?
23:07 < BrandonW> That would actually be helpful.
23:07 < BrandonW> bsparks, right.
23:07 < DrDnar> Mine's a "D", IIRC.
23:07 < bsparks> date codes?
23:07 < Andy_J> after the - in the serial number
23:07 < Andy_J> looks like mmyy
23:07 < Andy_J> I think
23:08 < bsparks> uhh, mine lacks that >_>
23:08 < BrandonW> It's going to be hard to consistently get that from everybody.
23:08 < BrandonW> It'd be helpful, but eh.
23:08 < Andy_J> I haven't seen my original 83+ I got in high school for years :(
23:08 < Andy_J> but I have the one that I got from Michael_V :)
23:09 < BrandonW> I have his 73.
23:09 < BrandonW> I traded my original 83+ for my orange 84+SE, to develop msd8x.
23:09 < bsparks> 84+/SEs/ don't have date codes :/
23:09 < Andy_J> bsparks: mine does
23:09 < bsparks> Andy_J, mine does not o.o
23:10 < Andy_J> look on the back between the two recesses
23:10 < BrandonW> It's on the far right, a letter, a dash, and four digits.
23:10 < Andy_J> And another letter.
23:10 < bsparks> mine doesn't have it, need a picture to prove it?
23:10 < Andy_J> curious.
23:10 < bsparks> oh, shit
23:10 < bsparks> nevermind, it's damn near invisible
23:10 < DrDnar> S-0605D
23:10 < Andy_J> WAY TO GO TI
23:11 < Andy_J> YOU JUST KILLED ALL OF MY USB DEVICES!
23:11 < bsparks> S-0405D for me.. I think
23:11 <+krisk> wat
23:11 < Andy_J> or rather everything plugged into my keyboard
23:11 < Andy_J> which was the keybord, mouse, and calc
23:11 < BrandonW> Yeah, sounds about right.
23:12 <+krisk> killed?
23:13 < Andy_J> and now it's stuck on installing driver software
23:13 < Andy_J> I'd probably have more luck with the OS X version
23:14 < bsparks> the OS X version refuses to work over USB 2.0 for me
23:14 < Andy_J> good thing I don't have any 2.0 ports on this box ;)
23:14 < bsparks> :D
23:15 < Andy_J> ...
23:15 < Andy_J> and it wants to force a reboot when it's done
23:15 < bsparks> ehh, just force quit it when it's done
23:15 < bsparks> and launch the app
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23:20 < BrandonW> Nspire 84+SE emulator counts, too.
23:21 < BrandonW> But I think I have all those versions.
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23:22 < Andy_J> http://static.socialgamer.net/~ajanata/calc/DUMPBOOT-83p-1.00-0300A.8xv
23:22 < Andy_J> http://static.socialgamer.net/~ajanata/calc/DUMPBOOT-84pSE-1.02-0107G.8xv
23:23 < BrandonW> That first one's the original 83+, right?
23:23 < Andy_J> yes
23:24 * Jonimus_ goes to grab his 84pSE
23:25 < Jonimus_> Wait I don't have it with me :(
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23:27 < jr19> Legion might have the most ridiculously dumb commercial preview i've ever seen for a movie
23:27 < BrandonW> Why's that?
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23:28 < jr19> it just makes the movie look really dumb
23:28 < jr19> the old lady climbing up the walls
23:28 < jr19> the weird facial movements
23:28 < BrandonW> That full scene is really creepy.
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23:38 <@efneTI92> [Jonimus] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
23:41 * Randomist gives Jonimus a wrench and a pipe rooter to fix his pipes.
23:41 < bsparks> Randomist, you're retarded
23:41 < Randomist> bsparks: It's like you have an alias for that, now. :P
23:41 < Jonimus> Randomist: I was configureing weechat
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23:41 < bsparks> i have very few aliases, I am a traditionalist
23:41 < Jonimus> it wasn't my tubes
23:42 < BrandonW> No man can take that many insults and not go psycho and murder everyone in close proximity eventually.
23:42 < BrandonW> You're only pushing him to hunt you and kill you.
23:42 < bsparks> BrandonW, eh, someone is bound to hunt me down :)
23:42 < Jonimus> lol
23:42 < bsparks> in the meantime, I'll play with BumpTop!
23:42 < bsparks> I AM GOD OVER MY ICONS!
23:42 < Randomist> People getting mad on the Internets? Impossible!
23:42 < Jonimus> also Weechat is very nice
23:43 < Randomist> Jonimus: I've completely switched over, now.
23:43 < Jonimus> your useing it also then?
23:43 < Randomist> It was a drop in the bucket to configure, compared to Irssi. :P
23:43 < Jonimus> yeah
23:43 < Jonimus> /set
23:44 < Jonimus> :P
23:44 < Exploiter> 24 Hour XBL Code - BJKFR:WB2QB:Q7CWD:YJM3H:9XG48
23:44 < Exploiter> 24 Hour XBL Code - BJKFR:WB2QB:Q7CWD:YJM3H:9XG48
23:44 < BrandonW> Say what?
23:45 < _NF_> 24 Hour XBL Code - BJKFR:WB2QB:Q7CWD:YJM3H:9XG48
23:45 < Randomist> Sounds like the Exploiter got exploited.
23:45 < Exploiter> take it or leave it lol
23:45 < Exploiter> i'm a 5 year member
23:45 < BrandonW> 27 calculators and not one of them suffers from that 83+ series LCD problem.
23:46 < bsparks> BrandonW, what?
23:46 < DrDnar> the slow LCDs?
23:46 < bsparks> What problem
23:46 < BrandonW> Yes.
23:46 < bsparks> ah
23:46 < Jonimus> BrandonW: you want me to send you one?
23:46 < BrandonW> Yes, I would love one.
23:46 < Jonimus> If you pay for shipping I'll do it
23:46 < Jonimus> hmm k
23:46 < BrandonW> I'd like to patch the OS to embed it.
23:46 < BrandonW> The fix, that is.
23:46 < Jonimus> ahh ok cool
23:47 < BrandonW> Or a PC program that embeds it into a signed OS upgrade.
23:47 < BrandonW> Since someone already did the oncalc patch.
23:47 < DrDnar> I still want the OS disassembled into source code.
23:48 < BrandonW> You can create .asm files for each page from IDA Pro...
23:48 < BrandonW> But a real disassembly requires a development environment for an OS.
23:48 < BrandonW> And TI surely uses something in-house.
23:49 < BrandonW> We can't even fully reverse-assemble MirageOS, let alone the TI-OS.
23:49 < Jonimus> BrandonW: I'll try to get your info to send you them this week
23:49 < Jonimus> one of them*
23:49 < BrandonW> I actually did get MirageOS into ZDS, but I still have a long way to go on fixing the hard-coded addresses and labels.
23:50 < BrandonW> So that you can actually make code changes.
23:50 < BrandonW> It's just crazy to think about, a Flash application originally written in TASM fully disassembled and working in ZDS.
23:52 < BrandonW> DrDnar, I say you do that with the TI-81 ROM.
23:52 < BrandonW> Disassemble it back to source.
23:52 < BrandonW> It's only 32KB.
23:52 < DrDnar> Does the TI-81 not have paging?
23:52 < BrandonW> Nope.
23:53 < DrDnar> Amazing.
23:53 < BrandonW> It really is.
23:53 < DrDnar> Gee, it must actually have small, efficient code.
23:53 < BrandonW> The EOS, what we understand to be the TI-OS, started in 32KB.
23:54 < DrDnar> Maybe TI still calls it that internally.
23:54 < BrandonW> They have some interesting names for things.
23:55 < DrDnar> I get it now. They're too embarrassed to release the source.
23:55 < BrandonW> I kind of think that's the story behind MirageOS.
23:56 < BrandonW> I don't want to criticize because there are some real legends behind that code, but...there are some unusual things.
23:56 < DrDnar> It's something I can understand. The source is too messy to be made public, but reworking it is too much work.
23:57 < DrDnar> If you release MirageOS 1.3, you can add your name to it. It would be your first product for DS.
23:58 < i_c-Y> you can't mess with perfection
23:58 < i_c-Y> :)
23:58 < BrandonW> My biggest accomplishment would be reversing it from the 1.3b9 executable.
23:58 < BrandonW> It's kind of fitting, actually.
23:59 < BrandonW> Obtaining the source has always been verboten, and now it can stay that way.
23:59 < DrDnar> Does TIOS 1.x have the small edit buffers?
23:59 < BrandonW> Of course.
23:59 < BrandonW> How else do you think tracing works? :)
23:59 < DrDnar> Perhaps updating MirageOS to use those could save some space.
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