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00:07 <@Andy_J> OxPhone: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/frustrations/388b/
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00:10 < bsparks> Andy_J, MicroCenter stocks those :)
00:19 <@_Auron_> OxPhone: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/computers
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00:25 <+jr19> yeah...my computer wasn't working before, wouldn't turn on, wouldn't do anything
00:26 <+jr19> i see my kid playing with it a little later, and i see he had typed like 100 characters in the password field at the login screen
00:26 <+jr19> i dont know how he got it to turn on
00:26 <+jr19> oh hey OxPhone 
00:30 < OxPhone> yarp?
00:30 <+jr19> oh i was just saying hi
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00:33 < OxPhone> oh hi
00:34 < OxPhone> get this shit- i got out of work at 4, my boss just called me now (6:30) asking me all about work stuff...
00:35 < OxPhone> so i just made it as akward as possible for him. :-P
00:36 < OxPhone> god damn it, leave me alone!
00:36 < OxPhone> <_<
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00:39 <+jr19> did you act like you were in the middle of rubbing one out or something
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00:41 < OxPhone> lol no. i just answered all his questions with "um, not sure right now"
00:42 < OxPhone> he ended the calll quickly, mission accomplished
00:42 <+jr19> i'd be like "am i getting paid for this?"
00:49 < OxPhone> hehe
00:51 <@Andy_J> if it's not a business phone, then refuse to discuss business on it
00:51 < OxPhone> lmao _Auron_ i just got a text from a friend, "hey, can you hook my friend up with microsoft programs?"
00:55 < OxPhone> andy: yeah true. its my phone.
00:56 <@_Auron_> :P
00:56 < OxPhone> i mean, 4:15 is an acceptable time to call and ask some question(s), but not 2.5 hours later.
00:56 <@Andy_J> at least if you're hourly ... if you're salaried I'd at least entertain him for a minute
00:57 < OxPhone> nope, hourly
00:57 < OxPhone> poorly at that
00:57 <@_Auron_> I cut about 2mm into my finger by accident last night
00:58 <@_Auron_> I washed it off, put neosporin on it, and a bandaide immediately, but earlier today I tried pushing up something with the force going directly into the cut, and it's been hurting since
00:58 < OxPhone> im looking for a new job seriously now... any ideas on jobs to look at/not look at?
00:59 <@_Auron_> OxPhone: self employment
00:59 < OxPhone> lol nooo 
01:00 < OxPhone> i want to work at an office, really
01:01 < OxPhone> i dont ever want to deal with retail again
01:01 < OxPhone> its just sickening
01:01 <@_Auron_> the retail place I work at is actually pretty nice
01:02 < OxPhone> idk its a hardware store, lots of retarded people <_<
01:03 <@_Auron_> oh, that's right. you work in redneck land
01:03 <+jr19> you deal with retarded people just about everywhere you go
01:03 <+jr19> just less at some places
01:04 < OxPhone> and  i dont want to work in computer retail especially
01:04 < OxPhone> just not
01:04 < OxPhone> -t
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01:06 < OxPhone> i kinda want to be a salesman for some cool tech product 
01:07 <+jr19> go door to door selling vacuum cleaners
01:08 < OxPhone> naw,  i would be a good salesman, but i dont want to sell a shitty product to people who cant afford it right now
01:08 <@_Auron_> so anyhow,
01:08 < Randomist> "Hello, sir or madamme.  Would you be interested in trying out our top-of-the-line Microsoft® CleanSweep 2010™ vacuum products?"
01:09 <@_Auron_> how weird is it that my mother sent my sister a framed photo of them when she was a kid, and then another photo in a frame of our mother's wedding picture from my sisters' dad?
01:10 < OxPhone> _auron_ : uh i didnt follow that
01:10 <@_Auron_> photo 1: pic of my sister when she was like 5, with my mom in the picture
01:11 <@_Auron_> photo 2: wedding photo of my mother and my sister's father (my sisters and I have different fathers)
01:11 < OxPhone> /me just took 4 shots of "99 apples"
01:11 < OxPhone> oh nice
01:11 <@_Auron_> um.
01:11 <@_Auron_> isn't that kinda WEIRD?
01:12 < OxPhone> meh, maybe its the thought that counts.
01:17 < Barrett> hey OxPhone 
01:18 < Barrett> do you want me to shut your VM off until you're back on your feet?  I don't think it's actually serving webpages or anything
01:26 < OxPhone>  lol actually ya, sorry i suck so much
01:27 < OxPhone> lets talk on fri about me... paying u... ;-)
01:28 < Merthsoft> with seck?
01:28 < Merthsoft> s
01:28 < OxPhone> um... no.
01:28 < OxPhone> cash money, biotch
01:29 < OxPhone> in the form of a paypal payment, most likely
01:29 < Merthsoft> well the ... and ;-) made is seem sexy
01:30 < OxPhone> haha, s/sexy/drunken/
01:32 < OxPhone> haha barrett "until you ate back on your feet" applies in so many ways right now. >_>
01:32 < OxPhone> *get
01:32 < Barrett> OxPhone... you don't need to pay me for the time that your server has been just sitting there
01:32 < Barrett> like.. I think it got restarted and has been doing absolutely nothing for a couple of months now
01:34 < OxPhone> barrett: yeah, it crossed my mind a couple times about what my files' near future was...
01:35 < OxPhone> did that flow right... that sentence?
01:35 < Barrett> nope
01:35 < Barrett> well
01:35 < OxPhone> lol sry
01:35 < Barrett> it makes sense, but I don't know what you're saying
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01:35 < OxPhone> i was worriedb about my files
01:36 < OxPhone> does that work? :-P
01:36 < Barrett> ah, yeah
01:36 < Barrett> you know, there are VNC apps for android
01:36 < Barrett> and they aren't that bad... especially if you're on wifi
01:36 < OxPhone> <_<
01:36 <@_Auron_> indeed
01:36 < OxPhone> wait really?
01:36 <@_Auron_> yes
01:36 < OxPhone> niiiiiiiiiice
01:37  * Randomist chuckles at English teachers calling other teachers out over English syntax on an I Can Haz Cheezburger-owned website.
01:37 < Barrett> I mean, I would never use it for more than 15 minutes... but it's great if you need to do something in gnome
01:37 < Barrett> (also SSH... which could be much more useful)
01:37 < OxPhone> sweet. but yeah, friday lets talk, barrett... you gonna be around?
01:37 <@nikky> just ssh
01:37 < Barrett> which phone do you have?
01:37 <@nikky> it's so much better
01:38 < OxPhone> i have the samsung moment now
01:38 < Barrett> most likely I'll be on some time on friday
01:38 < OxPhone> on sprint
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01:39 < Barrett> I bought a nexus one today... but I'll keep my G1 around... unless someone offers a lot of money
01:39 < OxPhone> nikky: on a phone im not sure what would be easier, typing everything or trying to click everything
01:39 < Barrett> it depends on what you're trying to do
01:39 < OxPhone> barrett: you have an n1?
01:39 < Barrett> I will tomorrow morning
01:40 < OxPhone> nice
01:40 < OxPhone> $?
01:40 < Barrett> 530... since I still have a year left on my contract
01:40 < Barrett> but at least my contract doesn't extend
01:40 < OxPhone> what do you mean?
01:41 < Barrett> and at least I don't have to upgrade to the $70 plan
01:41 <@nikky> The N1 doesn't look that impressive, to tell the truth
01:41 < Barrett> you're just jealous, nikky
01:41 <@nikky> What does it do different?
01:41 < OxPhone> nikky: i kinda agree
01:41 <@nikky> The only thing I see is 1) shittier network, and 2) voice e-mail
01:41 < Barrett> OxPhone, it's like 180 or 200 subsidized with a 2 year contract... I'm already on a 2 year contract so instead of breaking it and getting another one, I just spent 530
01:41 < OxPhone> it looks alot like the mytouch i had...
01:42 < Barrett> OxPhone, why have you had so many phones lately?
01:42 < OxPhone> barrett: who subs it?
01:42 < Barrett> t-mobile
01:42 < OxPhone> barrett: o tried tmobile with the mytouch... shitty coverage and no 3g in my are
01:43 < OxPhone> a
01:43 < Barrett> they've been adding 3g all over the place lately
01:43 < Barrett> I didn't have it for a while... but now I do
01:43 < Barrett> and they doubled their 3G speed today
01:43 < Barrett> (some places were already doubled.. but now everywhere)
01:43 < Barrett> which makes them faster than AT&T, since AT&T doesn't have 7.2mbps everywhere yet
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01:44 < OxPhone> so now I'm on sprint with a samsung moment. so far its much better.
01:44 < Barrett> so t-mobile is now the nation's fastest 3g network
01:44 <@nikky> Based in seattle too!
01:44 < Barrett> so do you want me to leave your server up?  you gonna ssh in and get things running?
01:45 < Barrett> oh, don't forget OLED, nikky
01:45 < OxPhone> i consistently get 280+ KBps
01:45 < OxPhone> barrett: might as well...
01:46 < OxPhone> well, im in a shitty situation... i want that server but i dont have home internet...
01:46 <@nikky> Oh yeah, OLED
01:46 <@nikky> That would be nice if we had sunny days here in seattle
01:46 <@nikky> :)
01:47 < Barrett> don't worry, nikky... nexus one will eventually come to verizon (it is, actually), and you can stop being so jealous
01:47 < OxPhone> makes it hard to justify a vps... :-\
01:47 < Barrett> ssh+nano
01:47 < Barrett> you can do tons of web development
01:47 < Barrett> or tether through your phone
01:48 < Jonimus> Barrett, I doubt his plan has tethering
01:48 < Barrett> can you root your phone?
01:48 < OxPhone> ya :-\ still a shitty situation
01:48 < Barrett> I know people have gotten the G1 to tether
01:48 < OxPhone> barrett: not sure about rooting
01:48 < Jonimus> through With USCC tethering is Cheaper than most other providers offer and my Plan was made before they started charging extra to tether
01:49 < Jonimus> in theory if you can access a Root shell on your phone you should be able to tether it from there
01:49 <@nikky> Barrett: nah
01:49 <@nikky> I got the droid because it doesn't look like an iphone
01:49 <@nikky> :)
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01:56 < efneTI92> [Genolo] Only my railgun can shoot letting my soul out~
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01:57 < i_c-Y> root is only for hackers
01:57 < i_c-Y> who are going to steal your children
01:58 < i_c-Y> droid is cool
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02:10 < DrDnar> Haha, Geordi VISOR can see from light from 299 792.458 kilometers to 3 nanometers. (400 nm is blue light)
02:10 < DrDnar> That must have a hellva an antenna in it.
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02:23 < Barrett> no offense to any of the gay people in here... but my roommate is so gay
02:23 < Barrett> sooo gay
02:26 < DrDnar> That must be awkward. 
02:27 < bsparks> Don't let him hug you from behing
02:27 < bsparks> That's how it starts
02:29 < Barrett> actually I think I might be confusing his emo-ness with the stereotypical gay personality... he's definitely gay, but by "sooo gay" i'm talking about his voice and stuff
02:29 < Barrett> Netham46, you here?
02:30 < Barrett> he's also very dramatic with his friends
02:30 < Barrett> but I don't know if that's a gay thing
02:31 < i_c-Y> ellen page is doing ads for cisco
02:31 < Barrett> anyone know if drama in relationships is common with gay people? (the way it is with women)
02:34 < Barrett> is that the juno girl?
02:34 < Randomist> Ask Google?  _Auron_?
02:35 < Barrett> people are too PC for that to be a googlable question
02:35 < Merthsoft> Barrett: of course it is
02:35 < Randomist> Pshaw.  This is the Internet(s).
02:36 < Barrett> haha
02:36 < Barrett> first result
02:36 < Barrett> "Homosexuals Against Obnoxious, Dramatic, Flaming Gay Men | Facebook"
02:36 < Barrett> so my roommate falls into that category
02:36 < Randomist> See?  Internet knows everything.  :P
02:37 < Barrett> but I still didn't really see anyone addressing that question... people are too afraid to ask such questions
02:37 < Barrett> and if they do they're bigots
02:38 < BrandonW> Is drama common in relationships with gay people, like with women? Is that your question?
02:38 < Barrett> yes, but not necessarily between 2 gay people... but like a gay person and any of his relationships... whether they be friendships or other gay people
02:39 < BrandonW> Like women are with anybody, not just the one they're in a relationship with?
02:39 < Barrett> right
02:39 < BrandonW> I'm going to say yes.
02:40 < Barrett> the other day he was having a dramatic conversation or two, and afterwards he asked me if drama goes away when you're 24... I said "um... I think?" (in my head I was thinking that I've never really had drama... ever...)
02:41 < Merthsoft> relationships are dramatic
02:41 < Barrett> Merthsoft, have you seen those newish miller lite commercials?
02:41 < Merthsoft> no
02:42 < BrandonW> That would depend on the kind of drama he's talking about.
02:43 < BrandonW> Life is dramatic in lots of different ways.
02:43 < Barrett> well, really I mean _over_ dramatic
02:43 < DrDnar> You mean like DMCA-scale dramatic? 
02:44 < Barrett> man, I feel like someone will be offended if I'm talking about gay people without a gay person present... Netham46 or _Auron_ 
02:44 < Merthsoft> Barrett: I've seen many gay relationships, my brother is gay, my mom is gay.
02:44 < Merthsoft> They are dramatic
02:45 < Barrett> I haven't been around too many... my cousin is gay, but he lives in new york... my aunt's ex husband is gay... he came out when I was a younger teenager and I haven't seen him since
02:45 < Barrett> my other cousin is gay, but I haven't seen him since I was 9
02:45 < ports> Barrett, Auron is gay
02:45 < Barrett> yeah, that's why I keep asking if he's here
02:45 < Barrett> and highlighting him
02:46 < ports> lol
02:46 < Barrett> but none of the gay people in this channel have shown any of the stereotypical gay traits
02:46 < Barrett> at least on IRC...
02:47 <+j-b-r> Well what are sterotypical gay traits that you can exhibit on IRC?
02:47 < Barrett> exactly...
02:47 <+j-b-r> I mean, on one channel I am in, there is a gay person who is also a little mentally disturbed
02:47 < Barrett> I guess being overly dramatic is possible...
02:47 <+j-b-r> And he is very rude and shouts "PENIS PENIS PENIS"
02:47 <+j-b-r> and "I NEED PENIS" 
02:47 <+j-b-r> And stuff like that
02:48 < Barrett> so he's one of the over dramatic ones
02:48 < DrDnar> A lesbian once told me she thought the dance instructor was hot. More awkward was the fact that this was high school and the instructor was in her 20s.
02:48 < ports> DrDnar, hot
02:48 < DrDnar> This was not your hot lesbian.
02:48 < Barrett> anyway
02:48 < Barrett> point of this whole conversation: my roommate is really gay
02:48 < Barrett> moving on
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02:50 < BrandonW> You think the gay people in this channel don't exhibit gay traits?
02:50 < bsparks> We can't tell, M_V isn't here
02:50 < DrDnar> Uh oh, the Enterprise's shields might not be able to handle the elevated levels of hydrogen and helium found in the nebula.
02:51 < ports> lol
02:51 < BrandonW> Which Enterprise?
02:51 < DrDnar> The TNG one.
02:51 < bsparks> Stairship
02:51 < ports> oh
02:51 < ports> no Scott Bakula?
02:51 < BrandonW> Which episode?
02:51 < DrDnar> I'm watch Syfy two hours time delayed.
02:51 < Barrett> BrandonW, do they?
02:51 < DrDnar> watching
02:52 < BrandonW> Yes, they do.
02:52 < DrDnar> I've seen this once. It's the one with the imaginary friend that turns real.
02:52 < BrandonW> I'm going to offend if I go any further.
02:53 < BrandonW> The emo/Vulcan one that turns evil?
02:53 < DrDnar> Well, I think you could call it emo and evil.
02:54 < BrandonW> I'm still at work, is the one on right now with Geordi and Ro phasing?
02:54 < BrandonW> Or out-of-phase.
02:54 < BrandonW> Or, the one about to be in 5 minutes.
02:55 < DrDnar> Hold on, I'm still on the eight o'clock episode.
02:57 < DrDnar> and the fiery red eyes
02:57 < DrDnar> Ro is in the nine o'clock episode.
02:57 < BrandonW> That one is an excellent episode.
02:58 < BrandonW> One of TNG's best.
02:58 < BrandonW> Of course with a gaping plot hole.
02:58 < DrDnar> I remember not thinking much of the emo chick one.
02:58 < BrandonW> Yeah, it sucks.
02:59 < BrandonW> I mean the Ro one.
02:59 < DrDnar> I always wondered with the out-of-phase episodes, why don't they fall through the floor?
02:59 < BrandonW> That's the gaping plot hole. :)
02:59 < DrDnar> Wait, which one sucks?
02:59 < BrandonW> The emo one.
02:59 < DrDnar> Yeah.
03:00 < BrandonW> Perhaps the Enterprise has those special particles in the floor plating or something.
03:01 < BrandonW> I don't remember the explanation for how they went out-of-phase or got them back.
03:01 < BrandonW> But they can certainly go through walls and even the exterior hull.
03:01 < DrDnar> Must be the graviton plating.
03:02 < BrandonW> But that brings up the question of oxygen and atmosphere, too.
03:02 < BrandonW> It's still a classic episode.
03:02 < DrDnar> Yeah, that too.
03:03 < DrDnar> If they breathe the air, surely the can detect the air currents or something.
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03:08 < efneTI92> [Tar1] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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03:43 < DrDnar> Now I need a picture of Ro and Geordi with the caption "Gosts of the Enterprise . . . Spring 2012"
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03:48 <@nikky> DrDnar: someone does fal through the floor
03:48 <@nikky> in TNG though
03:48 <@nikky> which is wayyyy better than enterprise
03:48 <@nikky> oh
03:48 <@nikky> I'm a dumbass
03:48 < DrDnar> uh huh
03:48 <@nikky> but someone does fall through a floor in one episode
03:48 <@nikky> :)
03:48 < DrDnar> Oh yeah, half-way, and dies.
03:49 <@nikky> yeah
03:49 < DrDnar> Which one was that?
03:49 <@nikky> Not sure
03:49 < DrDnar> I think Troi comes upon the body and screams.
03:49 <@nikky> it's where there was a nebula full of things that causes a phase shift
03:50 < DrDnar> yeah
03:50 <@nikky> I don't recall the name
03:50 < DrDnar> And the observation lounge is depressurized.
03:50 < i_c-Y> nerds
03:50 < DrDnar> Looks who's talking. You're on IRC. Not to mention the channel.
03:51 < i_c-Y> that is a pretty poor counterstatement if you were trying to make one.
03:51 < i_c-Y> your mom spreads her legs for money. saying i have a beard doesn't refute the orignal statement.
03:52 < i_c-Y> though i shaved so i don't have a beard anyway anymore
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04:13 < ports> hey
04:14 <@nikky> Shut up
04:14 <+patz2009> no u
04:14 <@nikky> Hmm
04:14 <@nikky> [20:14:24] [EFNet] -!-  idle     : 0 days 0 hours 0 mins 8 secs [signon: Mon Nov 30 23:11:43 2009]
04:15 <@nikky> andy is beating me by two weeks though
04:15 <@nikky> :(
04:15 <@nikky> DIAF ANDY
04:15 < i_c-Y> i m nearly 3 weeks behind you :/
04:15 < i_c-Y> Dec 19 for me.
04:16 <@nikky> DIAF CHRONOMEX
04:16 < i_c-Y> DIAF NIKKY
04:16 <@nikky> oh, nevermind
04:16 <@nikky> E-J signed on October 14th
04:16 < i_c-Y> that basterd.
04:16 <@nikky> he wonnnnnn
04:17 < Merthsoft> DIAD MERTHSOFT
04:17 < i_c-Y> die in a dike?
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04:22 < ports>  ditch?
04:22 < Merthsoft> do it all day
04:22 <+patz2009> your mother?
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04:26 < Randomist> So much screen real estate wasted...
04:31 < ports> on what
04:34 < bsparks> your mother
04:41 <+Genolo> i still haven't decided whether to get a laptop or a desktop
04:41 < Barrett> are you a student?
04:41 < i_c-Y> he's inhighschool
04:41 < Barrett> do you currently have a computer?
04:42 <+Genolo> i have both a laptop and a desktop
04:42 <+Genolo> desktop in my room is real old
04:42 <+Genolo> but i think i'd use a laptop more 
04:42 < i_c-Y> how much money do you have?
04:42 < Barrett> how old is your laptop? (the technology, not it)
04:42 < i_c-Y> for one.
04:42 <+Genolo> if i buy a desktop i'll probably just end up using this laptop
04:42 <+Genolo> i only have like ~$600
04:43 < i_c-Y> not worth getting a laptop at that price point.
04:43 < i_c-Y> unless if its lenovo outlet.
04:43 <+Genolo> the laptop i have now was like $300 or something
04:43 < i_c-Y> do you want to play games on it?
04:43 <+Genolo> yeah
04:43 < i_c-Y> with 600, buy a desktop then.
04:43 < Barrett> hold on
04:44 <+Genolo> my friend gifted me the orange box and i still haven't played it much
04:44 < Barrett> do you plan on going to college?
04:44 < Barrett> what grade are you in?
04:44 <+Genolo> i'm in 10th
04:44 < i_c-Y> look, if hes planning to go to college he can always grab a netbook or something for college
04:44 < Barrett> save up a little bit more and get an $800 or $1000 laptop... it'll last you through college
04:44 < i_c-Y> or if hes in a major that actually needs computational power , get a real laptop then.
04:44 <+Genolo> i can always take money out of the bank
04:45 < i_c-Y> Barrett: orrrr just buy a new laptop when going to college like everyone else
04:45 <+Genolo> my parents bought my sister her laptop
04:45 <+Genolo> i had to buy this one myself
04:46 <+Genolo> couldn't i save some cash if i get a refund on the os
04:46 < i_c-Y> well theres more than 2 years til college. if you want a computer now, its a desktop.
04:46 < Barrett> I don't know... I'm not much of a gamer, so we'll probably have different opinions
04:46 <+Genolo> i don't game very often at all
04:46 < i_c-Y> if you want to play games, for 600 you're going to want to build your own.
04:47 <+Genolo> is it possible to buy a laptop from the store, deny the os agreement, and get a refund on it
04:47 < DrDnar> BrandonW: Would USB8X support hotplugging and decting USB hardware in such a way that I could allow a user to unplug some piece of hardware at any time, and detect the hardware being plugged? I'm guessing latter would largely mean repeatedly running isDeviceConnected.
04:47 < i_c-Y> Genolo: you can, but its a hassle
04:47 <+Genolo> i'm not going to use whatever it comes with
04:47 < i_c-Y> you're going to use LUNIX?
04:47 < Jonimus> DrDnar, it does sortof
04:47 <+Genolo> yes
04:47 < Barrett> oh gosh
04:47 < Barrett> at least dual boot
04:47 <+Genolo> i'll probably dual boot an older version of windows
04:47 <+Genolo> ninjad
04:47 < i_c-Y> older? like xp?
04:48 <+Genolo> yeah
04:48 < Jonimus> he's been messing with Arch Linux iirc
04:48 < Barrett> what's wrong with 7?
04:48 < DrDnar> Battery status programs are becoming the quadratic solvers of assembly.
04:48 <+Genolo> i'd have to pirate 7
04:48 < i_c-Y> or just get it with the computer.
04:48 < Barrett> it'll come with your laptop
04:48 <+Genolo> but i want a refund on it :(
04:48 < i_c-Y> srsly, you don't have to pirate everything
04:48 < i_c-Y> and microsoft deserves some money for their operating systems.
04:48 < Barrett> you'll LOSE money... manufacturers get it much cheaper than you
04:48 < Barrett> and eventually you'll want 7, I promise
04:49 <+Genolo> i ran the rc for a while
04:49 <+Genolo> i never tried the final release though
04:49 <+Genolo> it's not like i'm in dire need to get a new one i can wait a while
04:50 < i_c-Y> the only pirated software i have on this machine, i have a legal license for but am too lazy to switch to that copy
04:50 <+Genolo> the only pirated stuff i have on here would be visual novels
04:50 < Barrett> well, the minimum specs to run productivity software will not increase very much over the next 6 or 10 years (don't quote me on that, but I think it's a good prediction)... so you can probably get a laptop now that'll last through college
04:50 < DrDnar> I downloaded a copy of Wind Waker---but I have a disc, too.
04:50 <+Genolo> i wouldn't know where to buy them
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04:51 < i_c-Y> you're a littl eyoung for visual novels.
04:51 <+Genolo> i downloaded sonic adventure 2 battle cause i lost mine
04:51 <+Genolo> then i found it
04:51 <+Genolo> so i use the burnt one as a coaster
04:51 <+Goplat> Barrett: they're all made in china now, they'll last a couple years topws
04:51 <+Goplat> just from being so shoddily made
04:52 < Barrett> get a thinkpad
04:52 < i_c-Y> i m pretty sure my lenovo will last atleast 5 years.
04:52 < Barrett> not in your stated price range, but my X300 is quite rugged
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04:52 < i_c-Y> my R61 is superior.
04:52 < i_c-Y> it is the supreme mobile computing machine.
04:53 < Jonimus> Barrett, you know anything about older ThinkPads?
04:53 < Barrett> what about them?
04:53 < Jonimus> well I have a 770X here and I can't get it to Post
04:53 < Barrett> i_c-Y, how much does it weigh?
04:53 < Barrett> how thick is it?
04:53 < i_c-Y> who cares, its totally awesome.
04:54 < Barrett> even with a smaller screen, my resolution is better :)
04:54 <+Genolo> $603 in my wallet and a thousand some in the bank
04:54 < Jonimus> It's battery is dead I know that, do you think the CMOS battery being Dead would cause it to not post?
04:54 < i_c-Y> what resolution do you have, Barrett ?
04:54 < Barrett> 1440xsomething
04:54 <+Genolo> maybe i should just invest in a beast one
04:54 < i_c-Y> Jonimus: no.
04:54 < i_c-Y> Barrett: what do you think i have?
04:54 < Barrett> 1280x800
04:54 < i_c-Y> wrong.
04:54 < i_c-Y> 1440x900, bitch.
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04:54 < i_c-Y> as i've said, its the supreme mobile computing machine.
04:54 < Barrett> well, same... but mine is superior everywhere else
04:54 < i_c-Y> you want evidence?
04:55 < i_c-Y> its mine.
04:55 < i_c-Y> thats enough to prove its superiority
04:55 < DrDnar> 1920x1200
04:55 < BrandonW> DrDnar, I guess usb8x could do that.
04:55 < DrDnar> secondary:  2048x1152
04:55 < BrandonW> Perhaps the callback should pass along "device connected" and "device disconnected" events.
04:56 < DrDnar> How would the KDB driver respond to the keyboard being unplugged?
04:56 < Jonimus> hmm so i_c-Y you think I need a new main Battery, I know this thing worked before I let the battery drain all the way
04:56 < Barrett> a png of a screenshot of my desktop displays is 8MB
04:56 < BrandonW> The drivers themselves don't support plugging/unplugging, you would need to re-initialize the driver upon plugging it back in.
04:56 < i_c-Y> did you try booting it without hte battery in?
04:56 < Barrett> dimensions: 3840x2130
04:56 < BrandonW> The only problem is, as you said, knowing when it's plugged/unplugged.
04:57 < Jonimus> i_c-Y, yeah it does nothing with no battery plugged though everything I see says it should work with no battery
04:57 < i_c-Y> you sure the charger is good?
04:58 < DrDnar> Would I need to write new code for USB8X?
04:58 < Jonimus> It appears to be, as when I plug it in the little LCD lights up telling me my battery is at 0%
04:58 < i_c-Y> have you tried leaving it plugged in for a day or so then trying to boot it?
04:58 < Jonimus> they was my next plan
04:59 < Barrett> warning: big image: http://calcg.org/bigres.png
05:00 <+Genolo> i'm getting new internets thursday
05:00 <+Genolo> right now i get ~70kb/s 
05:00 < i_c-Y> pretty shitty desktop, Barrett 
05:01 < DrDnar> I don't think I would like having monitors stacks vertically.
05:01 < Barrett> i_c-Y, I rarely have to look at it
05:01 < i_c-Y> when you do its distracting
05:01 < DrDnar> I use a plain black background.
05:02 < DrDnar> I've had for a long time.
05:02 <+Genolo> i use all animé backgrounds
05:02 <+Genolo> http://genolo.nvm2u.com/img/desktops1.png
05:03 < i_c-Y> http://xs.to/image-3E68_4B441970.jpg that's a good desktop
05:03 <+Genolo> yeah, i use broken links for my desktop too
05:04 <@nikky> hahahhahaahahah awindows
05:04 < i_c-Y> link works fine for me.
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05:05 < DrDnar> I have a computer with an ATI video card so old the open source drivers say they fully support it, and 3D is still slow.
05:06 < DrDnar> 850 MHz upped to 900, 300 some MB of RAM.
05:06 < Jonimus> DrDnar, nice
05:06 < DrDnar> I bumped the CPU speed when I found it was controlled by DIP switches. Overclocking made easy.
05:07 < Jonimus> lol nice
05:07 < DrDnar> It has two banks of DIP switches and a bank of jumpers too.
05:07 < i_c-Y> Genolo: is the top left one some FSN knockoff?
05:07 < i_c-Y> ithink ive seen something likethe top right one too.
05:07 <+Genolo> top left is some umineko fan art
05:07 <+Genolo> top right is from kampfer
05:08 <+Genolo> i'm reading f/s night
05:08 <+Genolo> i should probably watch the animé sometime too
05:09 < Barrett> so, I took this girl on a date or two in october
05:09 < Jonimus> Barrett, nice setup there
05:09 < Barrett> and she got engaged 3 weeks ago
05:09 < Barrett> which means she dated the guy for like 2 months
05:09 < i_c-Y> orrr
05:09 < i_c-Y> she dated him while she was dating you as well.
05:10 < Barrett> not very much... I hung out with her quite a bit
05:10 < Barrett> she wouldn't have had time
05:10 < i_c-Y> suure.
05:10 <@nikky> uh-hunh
05:11 < DrDnar> Wow, no new spam bot accounts on the Wiki for 24 hours.
05:11 < BrandonW> Did you do anything new?
05:11 < DrDnar> Nope.
05:12 < BrandonW> As far as usb8x, I'd have to take a look at the callback code to see how flexible it is.
05:12 < BrandonW> I'm hesitant to change the callback routine because that would impact anything ever written.
05:12 < DrDnar> I did add a new reason for bots to the list of canned block reasons.
05:12 < BrandonW> Perhaps I could just set some flags, and you constantly check it to see if you should care about what's going on.
05:12 < BrandonW> Similar to 5,(iy+41h) in the OS.
05:13 < DrDnar> Perhaps devices could simply return a new error code, like Device hotunplugged or something.
05:13 < BrandonW> The device?
05:13 <+Genolo> what kind of laptop should i get
05:13 < DrDnar> The drivers, that is.
05:14 < BrandonW> They don't return errors.
05:15 < BrandonW> The drivers "do" nothing except initialize and die when you tell them to.
05:15 < BrandonW> Everything is different, like mass storage devices and keyboards.
05:15 < BrandonW> One event-driven, one not-quite-so-much.
05:15 < Merthsoft> HI
05:15 < Merthsoft> HI GUYS
05:15 < Merthsoft> PAY ATTENTION TO ME
05:16 < BrandonW> HI MERTHSOFT
05:16 < DrDnar> Well, USB tools didn't crash when I unplugged a keyboard in the keyboard demo.
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05:16 < BrandonW> Not crashing doesn't mean stable.
05:16 < Merthsoft> HOW ARE YOU?!
05:16 < i_c-Y> !k Merthsoft caps
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05:16 < Merthsoft> Fuck
05:16 < BrandonW> Take the keyboard driver for example, the callback routine sets up some stuff in memory whenever a keydown event (if you will) comes through.
05:17 < BrandonW> !k Merthsoft cursing :(
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05:17 < Merthsoft> FUCK
05:17 < BrandonW> Why do you ask for it?!
05:17 < Merthsoft> I'm a sucker for punishment
05:17 < BrandonW> So what would you have the keyboard driver do when it's unplugged?
05:17 < BrandonW> It has no way to notify you something is going on.
05:17 < Merthsoft> !k Merthsoft cursing, caps
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05:18 < DrDnar> So I could do something like call isDeviceConnected before calling the KDB callback?
05:19 < DrDnar> meh, I'm no where near implementing USB keyboard support anyway.
05:19 < Merthsoft> wahtever happened with bluetooth
05:21 < BrandonW> Basically you need to know when there wasn't a device connected and then the fact that it suddenly changed, at which point you re-init.
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05:21 < BrandonW> You can keep track of that yourself with flags and IsDeviceConnected, yes.
05:21 < BrandonW> Kludgy, but I think it would work.
05:21 < BrandonW> Until something gets added to usb8x.
05:21 < BrandonW> Merthsoft, a Bluetooth chat demo is coming.
05:21 < BrandonW> In fact, I have to get it released soon.
05:21  * Randomist hates giving instructions on how to do things by voice.
05:21 < DrDnar> Oh really, now?
05:21 < Merthsoft> i dunno where all my dongles went
05:22 < Merthsoft> or my other calcs
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05:22 < BrandonW> Bluetooth and other things are never quite explained in the way that we need them.
05:23 < BrandonW> So it's a little rough pulling together the documentation and making it work.
05:23 < BrandonW> Some of the intermediary protocols, that is.
05:24 < BrandonW> The only reason I stopped was because I kept hitting that damn bug with the adapters' buffers.
05:24 < BrandonW> The connection would just crap out randomly.
05:24 < BrandonW> I still don't know how to deal with it.
05:25 < BrandonW> But even if I don't, I'll release it anyway, because it's enough to chat for a few minutes.
05:27 < Merthsoft> cookies
05:28 <+Genolo> is fate/stay night worth getting in blu ray
05:28 <+Genolo> it's 15gb and i download at 70kb/s
05:29 < DrDnar> You'd wait three days for it to download?
05:29 <+Genolo> yeah
05:29 <+Genolo> i have some other stuff to watch 
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05:31 <+Genolo> oh shit i don't have enough memory and don't have time to move anything to an external now
05:32 <+Genolo> either that or i put it on my ntfs partition
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05:38 <+Genolo> i was reading a visual novel and the most hilariously disturbing thing happened
05:38 <+Genolo> i would link a picture but i'll probably get kicked for it so i'd rather not
05:41 < Randomist> Ammonia in beef?  Check, please!
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05:41 < DrDnar> NH4 FTW
05:42 < DrDnar> oops, that's NH3
05:43 < DrDnar> NH4 is an ion
05:43 < Merthsoft> i'm in NH
05:47 <+Genolo> this visual novel makes no sense
05:47 <+Genolo> the first path i took was one of the most sentimental things i have ever read
05:47 <+Genolo> extremely well written
05:47 <+Genolo> and i took this other path
05:47 <+Genolo> and it involves a catgirl who is drugged up
05:48 <+Genolo> how can these two coexist
05:49 < Randomist> Must be from Japan.
05:49 <+Genolo> read this extremely fucked up text
05:49 <+Genolo> http://genolo.nvm2u.com/img/yume1.png
05:49 <+Genolo> it's hilarious at the same time
05:51  * Randomist wonders why Japanese hentai-chicks always look illegally young.
05:51 < Randomist> Weird culture.
05:52  * Randomist goes back to work on his file manager.
05:54 <+Genolo> speaking of vn's /jp/ still doesn't have their bots up for vn downloads
05:55 < DrDnar> The only reason Americans don't use illegally young chicks is it's illegal.
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07:38 <+Genolo> i'm hoping to do all my homework and watch some animé before school starts
07:38 <+Genolo> it's uhhh
07:38 <+Genolo> @:38
07:38 <+Genolo> er
07:38 <+Genolo> 2:38
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07:53 < Spengo\__> Genolo, weeaboo
07:53 <+Genolo> and damn proud
07:53 <@chronomex> yeah seriously
07:54 < Spengo\__> why would you be proud of that? O_o
07:54 < Spengo\__> Genolo must be fat :V
07:54 <+Genolo> i'm actually pretty underweight
07:54 <+Genolo> ;_;
07:57 < Spengo\__> well it's better than fat at least
07:57 < Spengo\__> easier to just put meat on rather than both take fat off AND put meat on
07:58 <+Genolo> i eat a lot i just
07:58 <+Genolo> don't gain
07:59 <+Genolo> i do however have pretty damn high cholesterol
08:02 < Spengo\__> well I'm gonna go to sleep
08:03 <@chronomex> night
08:03 < Spengo\__> bye
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08:04 <+Genolo> how do you get inside a kite
08:05 <+Genolo> maybe he means hot air balloon
08:06 <+Genolo> women are usually full of hot air so that makes sense
08:08 < DrDnar> Most people who breathe have at least two liters of hot air in them.
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08:32 < tr1p1ea> hot?
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09:20 <+Genolo> maybe i should get in an hour of sleep
09:20 <+Genolo> tough choice
09:20 <+Genolo> i don't feel tired or anything
09:21 <+Genolo> i think i should
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10:42 <@E-J> jr19: http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=pennyarcade&i=1409
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14:01 <+jr19> E-J: ha. that's actually pretty true so far...
14:01 <+jr19> you wait like 15-20 seconds to respawn sometimes too, and then you have to run a long ways, and then you get shot
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14:15 < leofox> penny arcade?
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15:18 <+jr19> i feel a lot less tired today
15:27 < Randomist> Wanted:  a utility to change backlight brightness as a regular user.
15:27 < Randomist> * command line utility
15:28 < mokomull> On what device?
15:28 < Randomist> Laptop.
15:28 < mokomull> ...
15:28 < Randomist> You said "device."  :P
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15:29 < Randomist> * Well, you
15:31 <+jr19> i think i just created a bash script when i did it on my old laptop
15:31 <+jr19> where numbers 0-8 were brightness levels or some shiz
15:32 < Randomist> I have to have root to change things in "/proc" and "/sys"
15:33 < Randomist> But programs that do it though D-Bus or whatever don't.
15:36 < Randomist> Kernel update.
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15:47 < the_Bug> anyone here?
15:47 <+jr19> yes
15:47 < the_Bug> hello
15:48 < Barrett> bsparks, did this router issue start out of nowhere?
15:48 <+jr19> hi
15:49 < Randomist> [To above three users]:  Hello.
15:53 < the_Bug> did anyone of you occupy with ti 83/84 low level programming?
15:54 < Merthsoft> low level as in asm?
15:54 < the_Bug> of course
15:54  * Randomist points at BrandonW.
15:55 < Merthsoft> he's probably at work
15:55 < the_Bug> ahhh brandonw i read the articles on your wiki
15:55 < the_Bug> ...
15:55 <+jr19> yeah he is the person who knows everything about calculators
15:56 <+patz2009> The most godly calculator programmer out there now for the 83+ series
15:57 < the_Bug> in his article about port 21 it sais that some ram pages (81h-...) can be set as executable, but no calc of the 83 84 series has that much ram pages...
15:57 < the_Bug> not even rom pages
15:59 < the_Bug> so a general question: are all pages executable (at least rom0 cause after a calc reset it starts here)
16:04 < the_Bug> ?
16:04 < Barrett> apparently no one here knows
16:04 < Barrett> BrandonW would know, but he isn't here
16:04 < BrandonW> I'm here.
16:04 < the_Bug> hi
16:04 < BrandonW> All Flash ROM pages can be made executable.
16:04 < the_Bug> could u explain port 21 to me? (im just a stupid beginner)
16:05 < BrandonW> Some calculators have two RAM pages, some three (apparently, we aren't sure yet), and some have 8.
16:05 < the_Bug> yes
16:05 < the_Bug> they have up to 128/16
16:05 < the_Bug> but 81h is page 129
16:05 < the_Bug> so ram adress 129*16
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16:06 < BrandonW> What? You mean absolute address?
16:06 < the_Bug> yes
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16:06 < BrandonW> Absolute addressing is never used, ever, on these calculators.
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16:06 < BrandonW> Everything is referred to in pages.
16:06 < the_Bug> yes
16:06 < the_Bug> but u dont have 129 pages
16:06 < the_Bug> ...
16:06 < BrandonW> The execution protection involving port 21h is total speculation.
16:06 < the_Bug> ahh ok
16:06 < BrandonW> It doesn't work that way, you can have both RAM page 0 and ROM page 0.
16:07 < BrandonW> There are RAM pages and there are ROM pages.
16:07 < BrandonW> Each are numbered separately.
16:07 < the_Bug> so i should just ignore the propability?
16:07 < the_Bug> yes
16:07 < BrandonW> Yes.
16:07 < the_Bug> okok
16:07 < BrandonW> Execution technically starts from power-on at ROM page 1Fh.
16:07 < BrandonW> Or 3Fh or 7Fh depending on model.
16:08 < BrandonW> Then it jumps to ROM page 0, where the OS starts.
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16:08 < the_Bug> if the calc resets, does it reset the program counter reg?
16:08 < the_Bug> ?
16:08 < the_Bug> ahh ok
16:08 < KermM> yes
16:08 < the_Bug> now i understand
16:09 < KermM> every register resets
16:09 < BrandonW> There's actually no proof of that.
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16:09 < BrandonW> But it doesn't matter anyway because the boot code will muck with all of them.
16:09 < the_Bug> the mem mapper first sets page 1f
16:09 < BrandonW> Before the possibility of you getting control happens.
16:09 < BrandonW> I think you emailed me also, sorry I didn't get time to answer.
16:10 < the_Bug> ok^^ that was the reason i joined the irc
16:11 < BrandonW> As far as we know, port 21h is just used to store some bits about the model.
16:11 < BrandonW> It IS changeable.
16:11 < BrandonW> The boot code sets it on reset.
16:11 < BrandonW> Which would make you think it does something else, like execution protection, but who knows.
16:11 < BrandonW> It's a protected port, so only the OS and boot code can set it.
16:12 < the_Bug> yes
16:12 < the_Bug> but when i wanted to develop an os, hypothetical, i wanted to specify an own boot code
16:12 < BrandonW> The boot code is write-locked and can never change.
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16:12 < BrandonW> In theory it can be done by removing the Flash chip and overpowering it in a programmer, but it's never been done successfully.
16:13 < the_Bug> so the boot code isnt eeprom?
16:14 < the_Bug> there are operation systems yet (like baos) do they implement a real os or just a program under tios that emulates?
16:15 < BrandonW> They're real OSes.
16:16 < BrandonW> There's only one EEPROM Flash chip, but the last sector (containing the boot code) is special and requires more power to overwrite. The datasheet for the chip can elaborate.
16:16 < the_Bug> and i try to understand how they function (including the boot thing)
16:16 < BrandonW> But suffice it to say, it's just not possible.
16:16 < BrandonW> An OS can be complex.
16:16 < the_Bug> yes of course
16:16 < BrandonW> For an OS, execution begins at ROM page 0, address 0053h.
16:16 < BrandonW> The boot code will jump there if it finds a valid OS.
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16:17 <+doc_doom> http://i.imgur.com/K1rdB.jpg
16:17 < the_Bug> how does it find a valid os?
16:17 < BrandonW> It checks several things. On the 83+/84+ series, it checks to make sure the value at 0056h is 0A55Ah, and that the "OS valid" flag is set in the certificate.
16:17 < BrandonW> That flag is bit 0 of C+1FE0h in the certificate (page 1Eh/3Eh/7Eh).
16:18 < the_Bug> ok
16:18 < BrandonW> That page is read-locked unless Flash is unlocked.
16:18 < BrandonW> "C+" is what we use to designate the offset from the start of the sector (there are actually two, 1E:4000h and 1E:6000h).
16:18 < BrandonW> Which one is "active" depends on which one has the zero at C+0000h.
16:18 < the_Bug> ...
16:19 < the_Bug> and what does the boot code actually do?
16:19 <+doc_doom> !seen Spencer
16:19 <@efneTI86> Spencer (~Spencer@c-69-245-210-163.hsd1.in.comcast.net) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 199 days, 12 hours, 14 minutes ago stating (Leaving.).
16:19 < BrandonW> Initializes all the hardware, sets everything up, resets RAM if necessary, checks for and boots a valid OS (or waits to receive one via I/O or direct USB if none found).
16:20 < the_Bug> thats practical
16:20 <+doc_doom> the_Bug, do you know assembly?
16:20 < the_Bug> yes
16:20 < the_Bug> in theory
16:20 < the_Bug> ^^
16:20 <+doc_doom> "in theory"?
16:20 <+doc_doom> that means no
16:20 < BrandonW> On the 73, it also checks for 0FFh at 0026h (or 00h, I can't remember).
16:20 < the_Bug> i just read codes, understood and so on
16:21 < leofox> does anyone here know about expelling ghosts and such?
16:21 < the_Bug> but didnt yet finish and compile a asmprg
16:21 <+doc_doom> i know c, c++, x86 assembly, perl, python, ruby, basic, java, javascript, css, bash "in theory"
16:21 < the_Bug> i know c and c++
16:21 < leofox> I know incenses work sometimes but I don't have them
16:22 <+doc_doom> the_Bug, "in theory" or you can actually write programs with them?
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16:22 < the_Bug> yes
16:22 < leofox> hey krisk
16:22 < krisk> hi
16:22 <+doc_doom> yes what?
16:22 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by Remius
16:22 < leofox> do you know how to get rid of annoying spirits etc?
16:22 <+doc_doom> leofox, holy water?
16:22 < the_Bug> what what?
16:22 < the_Bug> xD
16:23 < leofox> doc_doom: does that work if you're an atheist?
16:23 <+doc_doom> the_Bug, it wasnt a yes or no question
16:23 < leofox> also i dont have holy water
16:23 <+krisk> something akin to one of those indian dream catchers?
16:23 < leofox> oh that's a good one
16:23 <+krisk> also, salt and solid iron
16:23 < the_Bug> doc doom what was your question?
16:23 < leofox> yeah i've tried iron
16:23 < leofox> I held my watch in my hand and it seemed to work 
16:23 <+doc_doom> the_Bug, "in theory" or you can actually write programs with them? <----- is not a "yes or no" question
16:24 < the_Bug> ahh ok i can actually write progs with them
16:24 < the_Bug> ^^
16:24 <+doc_doom> ok
16:24 < leofox> I should try salt
16:24 < leofox> maybe garlic or does that only work against vampires
16:24 <+doc_doom> you shouldnt be asking BrandonW asm questions anyways
16:25 <+krisk> needs to be a thick line so they cant pass through it
16:25 < BrandonW> Why's that?
16:25 < leofox> yeah that doesnt work krisk it's already here
16:25 < the_Bug> why?
16:25 <+krisk> oh then youd just keep it in ui guess
16:25 <+krisk> also, burn the remains
16:25 <+krisk> there must be something keeping it there, burn it
16:25 < the_Bug> i just tried to understand the function of the asic chip on a ti
16:25 < leofox> it's not really powerful so I guess it will go away
16:25 <+doc_doom> you should ask Extended or Michael_V
16:25 < leofox> yeah i have no idea what
16:25 < the_Bug> dont know them^^
16:25 <+krisk> something personal with dna on it
16:25 < BrandonW> Why do you have so much hate for me, doc_doom?
16:26 < leofox> I havent noticed anything before
16:26 <+krisk> like clothes, bones, heirlooms, etc
16:26 <+doc_doom> i dont hate you i just think youre full of hot air
16:26 < the_Bug> dxxd
16:26 < leofox> oh i have fireworks, that might work
16:26 < the_Bug> i dont think so
16:26 < BrandonW> And for that, you recommend others don't talk to me?
16:26 < BrandonW> Stop being a jackass and a troll.
16:26 <+doc_doom> you didnt even crack the code you just take credit for it
16:26 < leofox> although i cant ignite them in my room :S
16:26 < BrandonW> I didn't take credit for the key cracking.
16:26 < the_Bug> but he understood the code
16:27 < BrandonW> All I did was deal with the EFF.
16:27 <+doc_doom> yeah you think your the jesus of the calc world
16:27 < leofox> I dont even know if it's still here
16:27 < BrandonW> No, I don't, and I've done nothing to make you think that.
16:27 < leofox> it might have left since this morning
16:27 < the_Bug> and you collected information and wrote them down iin a wiki
16:27 < BrandonW> It's not my wiki either.
16:27 <+krisk> hmm im not sure how to detect them
16:27 < BrandonW> I just maintain it for Dan Englender.
16:27 <+krisk> usually you have to piss them off
16:27 < BrandonW> It's a collection of material from everyone in the community.
16:27 <+doc_doom> the_Bug, its Dan_e's wiki
16:28 < the_Bug> yeah but you helped all those little folks out there who tried to understand
16:28 < the_Bug> with that
16:28 < BrandonW> What do you want me to do, put up a page explaining how everything I have some affiliation with was done by other people and go into detail about it?
16:28 < BrandonW> And then spam it everywhere?
16:29 < the_Bug> no matter whose wiki it actually is but brandonw was the only name i found
16:29 < the_Bug> who do you mean brand?
16:29 <+krisk> eep leofox can you unsend messages youve send over hyves?
16:29 < leofox> krisk: I can sometimes notice them if they are active (like this morning)
16:29 < leofox> uhh dunno
16:29 < leofox> maybe if the other side hasnt read them yet
16:30 < leofox> but hyves has a terrible UI
16:30 < BrandonW> All I can do is correct people's misunderstandings as I come across it.
16:30 < leofox> OK so I filled a bowl with salt, put my knife over it and opened the window so that it can leave
16:30 <+krisk> shoo spirit shoo
16:31 <+krisk> play 'walk on' on the radio
16:31 < leofox> I dont feel like calling out to it, it might piss it off
16:31 < leofox> krisk: ghost lore mentions U2?
16:31 <+doc_doom> leofox, call in the ghost busters?
16:31 <+krisk> i dont know, i was improvising there
16:31 < leofox> doc_doom: this thing isnt nearly powerful enough for the ghost busters, dont be silly
16:32 < leofox> I think playing U2 only expels me because I dont like them
16:32 <+krisk> what is it called when you unsend an email before its been read?
16:32 < leofox> recall
16:34 <+krisk> i send a message to a friend of my ex/gf who ive met to see if she can tell me anything on msn or something but the ex/gf is going there tomorrow
16:34 <+krisk> might be kinda lame if she reads it
16:34 < leofox> hmm this U2 thing seems to work
16:37 < leofox> it seems to be gone (or it might have been gone all along)
16:38 <@chronomex> harrumph
16:38 <@chronomex> so I got up at way too early in the morning
16:38  * the_Bug afk
16:38 <@chronomex> made breakfast
16:38 <@chronomex> read email
16:38 <@chronomex> and apparently my only non-cancelled class today was cancelled.
16:39 <@chronomex> wish I had read email before making breakfast because then I could go straight back to bed
16:39 <@chronomex> also, good morning.
16:40 <+jr19> i wish work would get cancelled somehow
16:40 <+krisk> however lame it sounds, i went home after a few hours today
16:40 <+krisk> half the stuff people were saying to me didnt register and i could only look at my phone/msn 
16:41 <+krisk> took me 15 minutes just to find the right place in the code to start my work at
16:41 <+jr19> krisk: the trainer guy measured my neck, my chest, my waist, and my hip
16:41 < leofox> I woke up because the light was shining on my face and I couldnt sleep after that anymore because there was a ghost in my room
16:41 <+krisk> : o
16:41 <+jr19> i dont know how it all figures in, but i read there is some ratios that are considered healthy or something
16:41 < leofox> annoying as hell
16:41 <+krisk> us navy made a formula based on some girths to measure bodyfat
16:41 < leofox> that's why I asked how to get rid of it
16:42 <+krisk> its pretty accurate for 90% of people
16:42 < leofox> krisk: whats the formula? sounds like fun to try sometimes
16:42 <+krisk> or anyone between 9 % and 30 % bf or something
16:42 <@chronomex> I don't know what my bodyfat is, probably pretty low
16:42 <+krisk> its in a research pdf i found on google once
16:42 < leofox> I think mine is pretty low too
16:43 <+krisk> %Fat=495/(1.0324-.19077(log(abdomen-neck))+.15456(log(height)))-450 
16:43 <+krisk> http://www.google.nl/search?q=us+navy+bodyfat+formula
16:43 < leofox> I wonder how they got the numbers
16:43 <+krisk> the pdf was pretty interesting though,. completely details how they got the formula and stuff
16:43 < leofox> did they use matrix substitution
16:43 <+krisk> think so, cant remember for sure
16:44 <+jr19> hmm
16:44 <+jr19> crazy
16:44 < leofox> are the values in inches or cm?
16:44 <+jr19> i dotn know, i was just measured, he didnt tell me anything about it right now
16:44 <+krisk> cant remember
16:44 <+krisk> youll have to see if you can google the pdf
16:44 < leofox> doesnt it want to know your weight :S
16:44 <+krisk> theres info on wikipedia about the navy's method
16:44 <+jr19> i think more comes later, and they're going to continue taking my measurements over a period of 12 weeks
16:44 <+krisk> might give some stuff to search for and find that pdf
16:44 < leofox> http://www.bblex.de/en/calc/navy.php
16:47 < leofox> too bad I dont have a measuring tape
16:47 < leofox> i 'll try later
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16:48 <+jr19> shit i am fat
16:48 <+jr19> lulz
16:49 < ports_> lol
16:49 < ports_> you are fat
16:53 <+patz2009> lol i'm fat
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16:58 < ports_> hi all
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17:00 <+rcfreak0> hi ports_ 
17:00 < ports_> sup
17:01 <+rcfreak0> nothing, just working on my comp. you?
17:01 < ports_> working, at work...
17:01 < ports_> waiting till 11.30
17:01 < ports_> so i can have lunch
17:01 <+rcfreak0> lol nice
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17:18 <+jr19> i wonder when this snow storm is going to start
17:26 < the_Bug> bb
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17:37 < bsparks> Barrett, hell no, it's been doing this for as long as we have had the 54g, the router sometimes just goes on the fritz, and I didn't feel like getting out of bed to reset it and assumed my mom knew to do that, guess she forgot HOW to do that
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17:48  * bsparks thinks all this hype over the Nexus One is hilarious
17:49 <+jr19> the iphone killer
17:49 < bsparks> jr19, notice how everything is an "iPhone killer" and before it was a "blackberry killer" and before that in the PDA market it was a "palm killer" >_>
17:49 <+jr19> the phone to end all phones
17:50 < bsparks> regardless. It's still a on-par nothing special android phone
17:50 <+jr19> i'm still not impressed by any phone
17:50 < bsparks> I was more impressed by the G1 than I am by the Nexus One
17:50 <+jr19> i thought by now we'd have crazy phones that do crazy things
17:50 <+jr19> but nope, just calls and data
17:51 < bsparks> Depends on what phone you are using ;)
17:51 < bsparks> I think the Motto Aura was amazing.
17:51 < bsparks> *Moto
17:51 < bsparks> the one that had a circular LCD screen that is
17:52 < bsparks> I think the problem is, we have the capabilities for these awesome amazing innovative phones, and when it comes down to it, people don't want them.
17:52 <+jr19> yeah
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17:52 <+jr19> i guess i don't care
17:52 <+jr19> i can surf the web, get my emailed pushed to me, and text and make calls
17:53 <+jr19> so i'm happy
17:53 <+patz2009> anyone here familiar with tons of android apps?
17:53 < bsparks> Merthsoft may be
17:53 < Merthsoft> i know some
17:54 < i_c-Y> nikkky
17:54 <+patz2009> Well, I was wondering if such a thing exists to turn your phone into a bluetooth keyboard or touchpad
17:54 <+jr19> isn't _Auron_ a developer
17:54 < i_c-Y> you boought a droid
17:54 <+jr19> he would know something i'd think
17:54 <+patz2009> Yes, I have a droid.
17:55 < i_c-Y> instead of a 1/2decent comp
17:55 < i_c-Y> ?
17:55 < bsparks> patz2009, I know there is at least one to do it over WiFi
17:55 <+patz2009> Got the droid for christmas
17:55 <+patz2009> A wifi keyboard? What use is that?
17:56 < bsparks> patz2009, uhm, assuming that if you own a computer you probably own a wifi network, so put 2 and 2 together
17:56 < bsparks> You connect your Droid to your computer over the network, and use it like a keyboard and mouse that way.
17:56 <+patz2009> Bluetooth would be much easier, it would be more compatible with more things
17:56 <+patz2009> Well, perhaps not easier
17:57 <+patz2009> but better
17:57 < bsparks> Not really
17:57 <+patz2009> Who ever said I was hooking it up to a computer? :P
17:57 < bsparks> Ah, you are going to try to connect to a PS3?
17:57 <+patz2009> That was the idea.
17:58 < bsparks> you have fun with that >_>
17:58 <+patz2009> haha
17:59 <+jr19> that'd be kinda nice actually
17:59 <+jr19> connecting it to a ps3
17:59 < bsparks> I just don't think anyone has put in the effort to do that with the BT chip on a Droid 
17:59 < bsparks> or any Android device
17:59 <@Andy_J> it might not let you
18:00 <@Andy_J> isn't it all java/
18:00 < bsparks> Not that I know of
18:00 <+patz2009> It's a variant of java
18:00 < bsparks> I know BlackBerry is all java
18:02 < bsparks> But like Andy_J said, if it's Java it may not let you do stuff like that. Unless you root it
18:03 <+patz2009> rooting's not a problem to me
18:04 < bsparks> I never did fully understand the use of a keyboard on the PS3, but then again I used my PSP for it... over WiFi >_>
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18:05 <+patz2009> There's uses for putting almost any two gadgets together.
18:06 < bsparks> Unless you were, like, running PS3 Linux, but that is a whole new set of problems 
18:06 < bsparks> Also, I didn't think the PS3 could use standard BT keyboards?
18:06 <+patz2009> I was under the impression that it could.
18:07 < bsparks> I couldn't ever get mine to work properly with it, but that may have been unrelated issues 
18:07 < bsparks> And I know the little Message Pad thinger for the PS3 controller is BT, but idk if it's standard or not
18:08 <+jr19> i've read about people using bluetooth keyboards with their ps3s without any extra equipment
18:08 <+jr19> i'd test it if someone wants to donate a bluetooth keyboard to me
18:10 <+jr19> "Native support for Bluetooth keyboards and mice was added with update 1.6"
18:10 <+doc_doom> cant you still make c\c++ apps?
18:10 <+doc_doom> why does it have to be java?
18:11 <+patz2009> doc_doom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_Virtual_Machine
18:14 <+doc_doom> patz2009, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(mobile_device_platform)#Native_code
18:15 <+patz2009> I was just saying that a variant of Java was used for the underlying system.
18:17 <+doc_doom> andy was saying it wouldnt let you access the bt chip
18:17 <+doc_doom> which i say is BS
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18:18 <+patz2009> I'm not sure about it, I know there's apps out there like PDAnet that use the bluetooth chip for tethering without root access
18:18 <+jr19> hmm
18:27 < ports_> lol
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18:42  * ports_ yawns
18:42 < ports_> then falls over and dies
18:43 < ports_> i need to take my medicine
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19:10 <+jr19> lunch!
19:14 < ports_> ok
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19:33 <+doc_doom> 'lo Tahben 
19:34 < Tahben> sup mah calc-ah?
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19:39 < Merthsoft> hi Tahben <3
19:39 < Tahben> heya Merthsoft :)
19:41 < Merthsoft> how's it going?
19:41 < Tahben> pretty good. taking a mandatory time out.
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19:43 < AndIrc_> hiii from nexus one 
19:43 < Tahben> hi
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19:44 < Barrett1> i am awesome
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19:49 < ports_> hi Barrett 
19:49 < ports_> how did you get your nexus one so fast
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19:57 <@E-J> is it's ui as ugly as in demo
19:59 < sir_lewk> ^^
20:00 < sir_lewk> if I'm going to drop that much money on a telephone, it better be a hell of a lot more impressive than what I saw in google's little demo
20:00 <@E-J> its*
20:01 < ports_> lol
20:01 < sir_lewk> E-J: I approve of the use of saxon genatives ( *'s to indicate possession) with pronouns
20:02 < sir_lewk> don't see any reason you can only use 's with nouns
20:02 < ports_> i just bought a blackberry bold 9700
20:02 < ports_> im highly impressed with it
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20:28 < sir_lewk> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vLES3KKBdaM/Sjsptq1kkCI/AAAAAAAAAGU/yITp1qKuHOU/s1600-h/windowsaudio.png This is why windows will never be ready for the desktop.
20:29 < Merthsoft> and yet my sound works better than in linux
20:30 <+jr19> why is soundcard circled twice
20:32 <+jr19> ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTION
20:33 <+jr19> jk
20:33 <+jr19> on a side note, my boss left for the day!
20:51 <@chronomex> wooo
20:51 <@chronomex> that means it's time for you to leave for the day
20:51 <@E-J> or to make practical joke
20:52 <@E-J> i assume that "the day when you throw christmas tree out" isn't holiday in states
20:53 <+jr19> i dont throw mine out
20:54 < ports_> ?
20:55 <@E-J> ports_: epiphany is here tradiotionally the day when tree is thrown out
20:55 < Merthsoft> you guys are all cock mongoling queefbergers
20:55 <@E-J> and it's also holiday
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20:57 < ports_> oh
20:57 < ports_> my tree is plastic
20:58 <@E-J> i didn't have a tree, except one outside our cottage
20:58 < Tahben> weird. lesbians having kids and both competing to breastfeed.
20:59 <+rcfreak0> lol
20:59 < Tahben> we still have our tree up. I like it, even after it dessicates
20:59 <@E-J> this was our tree http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs154.snc3/18143_221259800562_509180562_3725902_7986042_n.jpg
21:01 <+jr19> i have a plastic tree too
21:02 <+jr19> do any of you people have tattoos
21:03 < ports_> no
21:03 < Merthsoft> yes
21:03 <@E-J> nah
21:04 <+jr19> what do you have a tattoo of Merthsoft 
21:05 < Merthsoft> taurus on my arm
21:08 <+jr19> what does it feel like to get a tattoo anyway
21:08 < Merthsoft> um
21:08 < Merthsoft> at first like a bunch of bee stings kind of
21:09 < Merthsoft> and then it just kind of gets numb
21:09 < bsparks> http://lifestyle.msn.com/your-life/family-parenting/the-family-room-blog-post.aspx?post=1524668&GT1=32001 funniest shit ever.
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21:09 < efneTI92> [chronome1] Come with me to the dork side of the force ...
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21:10 <+jr19> hmmm ok
21:11 < Tahben> I thought you had a rose on your ankle.
21:12 < Merthsoft> ;) that too
21:12 <+jr19> the process sounds terrible, needles jabbing into your skin 80-150 times a second
21:14 <+jr19> both my sisters have them though, so it can't be that bad
21:14 < Tahben> just kinds of feels like getting  a road rash. 
21:14 < Merthsoft> it's not bad at all
21:15 <+jr19> i was thinking of getting something in a few weeks
21:15 <@E-J> i have friends who have big tribals in both hands
21:15 <+jr19> but i can't get anything that is visible when wearing my work clothes
21:16 < MikeKnoop> Is the Chrome Extensions build in beta yet?
21:17 < Tahben> how about a UV tat
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21:17 < efneTI92> [KermM_] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
21:18 <+jr19> nahhhh
21:19 <+jr19> i just want to get something fairly simple and with black ink
21:19 <@E-J> jr19: how about "jeff" to your knucles?-)
21:20 <+jr19> i dont think they'd appreciate that at work
21:20 <+jr19> i wouldnt want that either
21:21 <+jr19> whatever i get probably wont be on my arm or any appendage
21:22 < Tahben> thank gawd. cock tats are creepy.
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21:22 < Merthsoft> hahaha
21:22 < Merthsoft> cock tats
21:23  * bsparks happens to know the tat he'd get, and where he'd get it, if he ever got it >_>
21:25 < Merthsoft> a cock on your cock
21:25 < Tahben> his on someone else's?
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21:25 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
21:26 < Tahben> http://phalliccymbals.wordpress.com/
21:27 < Randomist> Odd.
21:29 <+jr19> ha
21:29 <+jr19> i walk away after talking about tattoos, and come back to people talking about cocks on cocks
21:31 < Randomist> [Rooster crows.]
21:31 < Merthsoft> Tahben: ...
21:31 < Merthsoft> if anyone else did that i'd kick them
21:31 < Merthsoft> but i less-than-three-you so i won't
21:32 < Tahben> call it a draw then, I would have kicked for the queefburger comment.
21:32 < bsparks> Randomist, what thefuck was that?
21:32 < Randomist> You're asking me?
21:33 < bsparks> "[16:31:15] <Randomist> [Rooster crows.]"
21:33 < Merthsoft> :)
21:33 < Randomist> Clearly, it was a rooster.
21:34 < bsparks> Have you ever offered anything valuable to this channel? Goddamn you're worse than ports_
21:35 < i_c-Y> well, he's not a mac user. thats a start.
21:36 < ports_> i_c-Y:  i didnt choose to be a mac user
21:36 < Randomist> Steve did?
21:36 < ports_> i have a work issued ne
21:36 < ports_> one
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21:53 <+jr19> does anyone know what Joel does at FB
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21:55 < i_c-Y> 16:53 <+jr19> does anyone know what Joel does at FB
21:55 < i_c-Y> JoelS would know
21:55 < Randomist> >In ur datas, improving the quality of ur services.
21:57 < JoelS> lulz
21:58 < JoelS> who is jr19 ?
21:59 < i_c-Y> hes like a smarter, more well behaved version of ports_ 
21:59 < i_c-Y> except he has a kid.
22:00  * Randomist goes off to learn how to work Z-Shell.
22:00 < ports_> lol
22:01 < ports_> i_c-Y:  how do you know we aren't the same person?
22:01 < i_c-Y> i don't. and i don't really care if you are.
22:01 <+jr19> hmm...i kinda liked the "smarter" part
22:04 < ports_> jr19:  quiet you..
22:04 < ports_> jr19:  I'll take my pills and make you go away.
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22:09 <+jr19> the apocalypse eh
22:10 < ports_> his counter is broken
22:10 < ports_> the world ends in 2012
22:11 < Randomist> The world ends when the world ends.  The end.
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22:12 <+jr19> i always thought it'd be cool if the human race survived long enough to be swallowed up by the sun
22:12 <+jr19> that'd be an interesting view from earth
22:12 < ports_> lol
22:12 < ports_> jr19:  not at all
22:13 < ports_> we'd die long before the sun could swallow the earth
22:13 <+jr19> i'm not going to bet on that happening though
22:13 <+jr19> well obviously
22:13 < ports_> supposedly the gravity from the expanding sun would tear us apart
22:13 < ports_> now that.. i'd like to see.. the view of what happens to a planet when its torn apart
22:13 <+jr19> it's kinda weird to think that the end is inevitable
22:13 <+jr19> but whatever
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23:16 < shmibs> so it would seem maxcoderz is down
23:16 < shmibs> or is it just me?
23:17 <+doc_doom> is it just me or is youtube messed up?
23:18 < Jonimus> shmibs, yeah it appears to e down
23:19 < asmand> good evening
23:19 < asmand> and good night
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23:37 < efneTI92> [Tyler2] I no longer speak fluent dialup.
23:37 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Tyler2] by SnowCrash
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23:44 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
23:44 < TheStorm> hi all
23:44  * TheStorm is useing MS comic chat on win 98
23:46 < TheStorm> this comp would fairly decent fore general wubbing if not for the crappy VGA res screen
23:48 < Jonimus> but I could throw a 8GB hdd in here and install debian Lenny and I'll be set
23:48 <@E-J> TheStorm: do you irc with it now?
23:48 < TheStorm> well I am now
23:49 < TheStorm> TheStorm is the Win 98 Lappy, Jonimus is my main desktop
23:49 <@E-J> i tried the comic form through wine but it didn't work very well
23:49 < TheStorm> and the battery in it last forever
23:49 < TheStorm> E-J well I disabled all the comic features
23:49 <@E-J> why
23:49 < TheStorm> otherwise It spams the channel with them
23:50 < TheStorm> like when I joined it would have said which charicter I am
23:50 < TheStorm> and such
23:51 <@E-J> ah
23:51 TheStorm [~TheStorm@CPE-24-167-201-56.wi.res.rr.com] requested unknown CTCP AWAY from #tcpa: Gone fishing.
23:51 < bsparks> ...
23:51 TheStorm [~TheStorm@CPE-24-167-201-56.wi.res.rr.com] requested unknown CTCP AWAY from #tcpa: 
23:51 < TheStorm> yeah that was weird
23:51 < bsparks> why did someone just CTCP me
23:52 < TheStorm> bsparks sorry
23:52 < TheStorm> MS comic chat did it when I went away to test something
23:53 <@E-J> bsparks: btw do you know why i see your every status update on fb without your name or picture?
23:53 < bsparks> No, that's kinda odd
23:53 < bsparks> Just mine?
23:53 <@E-J> just yours
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23:53 < bsparks> lemme check my privacy settings
23:54 < TheStorm> lol comic view is funny as hell to watch
23:55 < bsparks> E-J, I have no idea o.0
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23:59 <@E-J> bsparks: http://users.tkk.fi/~relamsa/turhaa/kuvia/anonym_sparks.png
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