--- Log opened Sun Sep 13 00:00:44 2009
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00:03 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
00:03 <@Andy_J> Don't forget about that moon!
00:05 < DrDnar> Maybe I could write an IDE and call it EuropaASM.
00:07 < Kurttank> That would kick ASS.
00:07 < Kurttank> or should I have said ASM...
00:08 < Kurttank> If there was an IDE for assembly, I would totally learn and use Z80.
00:08 < DTal> Well I've never seen this before: http://gtc.ti-fr.com/
00:08 < Kurttank> wassat?
00:08 < BrandonW> I think it explains what it is pretty well.
00:09 < Kurttank> I can't click in jmIRC
00:09 <@Andy_J> wrong moon
00:09 < DrDnar> Ever hear of copy and paste?
00:09 < DrDnar> I know, it's a pun.
00:09 < DTal> An oncalc compiler apparently, distinct from "cc" of old by the looks of it.
00:11 < Kurttank> Also can't copypaste
00:11 < Kurttank> I'm using my phone on my bed, being a skinny fatass
00:11 <@chronomex> skinny fatass?
00:11 < DrDnar> . . .
00:12 < BrandonW> You do have a computer, right?
00:12 <@chronomex> probably not
00:12 <@Andy_J> get a real phone
00:13 < Kurttank> Yeah, I do
00:13 < Kurttank> both are in use
00:13 < Kurttank> even when only one is being used
00:14 < Kurttank> KVM switches have their disadvantages.
00:14 < BrandonW> Your KVM switch doesn't keep you from using your computer while you have your phone.
00:14 < Kurttank> No, but brothers do
00:15 <@chronomex> article pushed
00:16 <@Andy_J> ... a parenthetical aside with a paragraph break in the middle? maddness :)
00:16 < DTal> The documentation for GTC mentions FlashAppy: has this been obsoleted?
00:16 < BrandonW> What does it do?
00:16 < DTal> Patches the ROM. Doesn't say why.
00:16 <@chronomex> Andy_J: cool it, I forgot to change it completely from a parenthetical to a paragraph
00:17 < BrandonW> I'd imagine it's so you can put Flash applications on there that aren't signed.
00:17 < BrandonW> If that's the case, then yes, it's been obsoleted.
00:17 < BrandonW> I just googled it, so yes.
00:18 < BrandonW> It is obsolete.
00:18 < BrandonW> We killed three important programs with this!
00:18 < DTal> Cool.
00:18 <@chronomex> woot woot
00:18 < BrandonW> We killed a lot, actually.
00:18 <@Andy_J> well it will be obsoleted once that app gets re-signed properly
00:18 <@chronomex> yeah
00:18 <@chronomex> a bunch of OS downloaders
00:18 <@chronomex> your key utility from last week
00:19 < DTal> Now, to resign it one would need the original, unsigned file, yes?
00:19 <@chronomex> hw2/3patch
00:18 < BrandonW> If we want to push 8XQ certificate updates to people, we do still require an OS patch on the z80s for that.
00:18 <@chronomex> you can resign anything now, DTal
00:19 < BrandonW> You just need the data, doesn't matter if it's signed or not.
00:19 < BrandonW> If you have an 89K or something, that's all you need.
00:19 < BrandonW> That and the .key file.
00:19 < BrandonW> Which is in the zip we've been trying to throw around everywhere.
00:19 <@Andy_J> are you sure hw2/3patch is killed?
00:19 <@chronomex> have you gotten it up on wikileaks yet?
00:19 < DTal> Cool. I've got the zip, haven't got the signing utility.
00:19 < BrandonW> Did anyone say hw2/3patche was killed? No.
00:19 <@chronomex> Andy_J: well, kofler can now distribute a PC-based patcher
00:19 < Kurttank> an 89K?
00:19 <@Andy_J> true
00:20 < BrandonW> All I said was that things to allow unsigned applications and OSes are now obsolete.
00:20 <@chronomex> I doubt he will though
00:20 < BrandonW> Kofler's scared of all this, he won't touch it.
00:20 <@chronomex> hw2/3patch takes your shit and makes it unsigned
00:20 <@Andy_J> BrandonW: he listed in in the list of things that got killed
00:20 < Kurttank> who's kofler?
00:20 < BrandonW> Where did he list that?
00:20 < BrandonW> Get a PC and google it, we're tired of telling you on your phone.
00:20 <@chronomex> ^
00:20 <@Andy_J> 20:18:47 <@chronomex> hw2/3patch
00:20 <@chronomex> well *I* consider it obsoleted
00:20 < sir_lewk> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=8888&pid=136482&mode=threaded&start=200#entry136482 9/12 is now officially "Signing-Keys Day" :)
00:21 < BrandonW> I missed chronomex saying that.
00:21 <@chronomex> BrandonW: well I said it
00:21 < BrandonW> chronomex: well I see that now
00:22 < DrDnar> Why does Apple not allow programability on the iPhone?
00:22 <@chronomex> because they're fucktards
00:22 < DrDnar> Well aside from that.
00:22 < DTal> They make a tidy 30% profit through App store, why should they?
00:22 < DrDnar> Oh yeah, I can totally see how C64 BASIC would reduce those profits.
00:23 <@chronomex> cleartly
00:23 <@Andy_J> DrDnar: because then people will use that instead of buying stuff in the app store
00:23 <@chronomex> clearly
00:23 < DTal> Well, I can.
00:23 < sir_lewk> chronomex is right, it's just because they are fucktards
00:23 <@Andy_J> you can't make exceptions because then people will bitch over the rules for making exceptions
00:23 <@chronomex> Andy_J: but their enforcement is so inconsistent anyway
00:24 <@Andy_J> they're slightly improving on that front
00:24 < DTal> I doubt every app is rigorously analysed from an economic standpoint; they probably have simple rules like "no turing-complete execution environments"
00:24 <@chronomex> yeah
00:24 <@chronomex> but I doubt they say "turing-complete"
00:25 <@Andy_J> hey guess what, basic is turing-complete
00:25 < DTal> Yeah, 'cause Apple don't know jack about computer science right?
00:25 < DTal> Right.
00:26 <@Andy_J> if you say so
00:26 < DrDnar> But they've got the best Photoshop!
00:27 < sir_lewk> someone should port CoreWar or CRobots to the iphone and try to get it into the appstore
00:27 < sir_lewk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crobots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_War
00:27 <@chronomex> ha, yes
00:27 < sir_lewk> just to emphasize the idiocy of their policy when they shoot them down
00:27 <@Andy_J> if you don't like it, don't buy an iDevice.
00:27 <@Andy_J> Problem solved.
00:27 < sir_lewk> oh, I don't like it so I don't buy it
00:27 < sir_lewk> but I do love bashing it ;)
00:28 < DTal> That's my solution. Waddya want an iPhone for anyway, when you have TI? :)
00:28 < sir_lewk> DTal++
00:28 <@Andy_J> for, uh, making phone calls?
00:28 <@Andy_J> last I checked, TI didn't make phones
00:28 <@chronomex> check again
00:29 < sir_lewk> ah, here we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RobotWar
00:29 < sir_lewk> that game was originally an Apple II game. even better
00:29 <@chronomex> http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/company/history/timeline/defense/1970/docs/77-vhf-fm_radio.htm
00:29 <@Andy_J> apparently iphone os updates are always an entire firmware image =\
00:29 <@chronomex> huh
00:29 <@Andy_J> 3.1 is 241.7 MB
00:30 <@Andy_J> 10.6.1 was 9 megs LOL
00:30 < sir_lewk> that's not too bad, you get unlimited dataplans with those don't you?
00:30 < DTal> No mobile OS has any business being that big.
00:30 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: you kind of have to update the firmware from a computer
00:30 < sir_lewk> oh
00:30 <@Andy_J> DTal: UNIX does.
00:30 < sir_lewk> well that's a little weak I guess
00:30 <@Andy_J> Because the battery dieing in the middle of an OS update doesn't brick the device.
00:31 <@Andy_J> well, make it extremely hard to recover from.
00:31 < DTal> UNIX? UNIX used to fit in devices the size of TI-89s.
00:31 <@chronomex> yeah, used to
00:31 < sir_lewk> that's a bit different
00:31 < BrandonW> This is making me want to try that 84+/SE USB firmware bricker.
00:31 <@Andy_J> DTal: and don't forget all the crazy stuff it comes with anyway
00:31 < DTal> It's all this new-fangled crap like USB and TCP/IP bloating up the kernel.
00:31 <@chronomex> yeah
00:31 <@chronomex> tcp/ip is for lamers
00:32 < sir_lewk> I've got bootable linux floppies lying around still but all they basically are is a kernel image, a very minimal FS, and a busybox binary
00:32 * chronomex nods quietly
00:32 <@Andy_J> your problem is thinking of it as a phone instead of a handheld computer
00:32 <@Andy_J> which just so happens to have a phone in it
00:32 < Kurttank> Someone said something about TI not making phones?
00:32 <@chronomex> s/phone/mic, speaker, and gsm radio/
00:32 <@Andy_J> s/mic, speaker, and//
00:33 <@Andy_J> since your computers tend to have those anyway
00:33 <@chronomex> true
00:33 < Kurttank> Just give Brandon some chicken wire, a soddering gun, a TI-82 and 3 weeks.
00:33 < sir_lewk> lol
00:34 < sir_lewk> he has worked on getting a usb-wifi thing to work iirc
00:34 < BrandonW> There's no generic wifi driver so it has to be written with a certain chipset in mind.
00:34 < i_c-Y> lets go back to decnet :)
00:34 <@chronomex> SNA
00:34 < sir_lewk> unfortunate
00:35 < BrandonW> Benjamin Moody's browsing the United TI forum.
00:35 < BrandonW> I think he's gotten wind of it!
00:35 <@chronomex> omfgizzle
00:36 < sir_lewk> is he still hiding from TI then?
00:37 < BrandonW> Yes.
00:37 < BrandonW> He can't post to that thread.
00:37 < BrandonW> I can just see him sitting and wanting to.
00:37 < DTal> C&D, delivered in person. Zowee.
00:38 < BrandonW> I know, he's lucky.
00:38 < sir_lewk> well TI can go suck it now
00:38 <@chronomex> I'm sure they will
00:38 < DTal> How DID they find him?
00:39 <@chronomex> phone book, probably
00:39 < DTal> US is a big place.
00:39 < DrDnar> Actually, in this case WikiTI isn't entirely clear: do the getTime and getDate routines push results onto the FPS, or simply copy the results there (replacing the former contents?)
00:39 < BrandonW> There are links over the place to his university web space.
00:39 < BrandonW> They probably got him that way.
00:39 < BrandonW> DrDnar, they push them.
00:39 < DrDnar> I would think so.
00:39 < DTal> Ahhh. I had some conspiracy theory thing going on, but never mind.
00:47 < Kurttank> Wait, so TI tried to van this guy?
00:47 <@chronomex> wtf?
00:47 < BrandonW> They sent someone to hand-deliver a cease-and-desist notice and tell him to stop.
00:47 < Kurttank> What did he do?
00:47 < BrandonW> he stopped.
00:47 <@chronomex> he did some math
00:47 <@chronomex> STOP UR MATH UR KILLING US
00:47 < BrandonW> lol
00:48 < Kurttank> lol
00:48 < DrDnar> They FOILED his factoring efforts.
00:48 < BrandonW> He did on his single PC what we've all been doing the past couple of weeks with the distributed computing project.
00:48 < Kurttank> So what, was he a famous calc programmer?
00:48 < BrandonW> Yeah.
00:48 < Kurttank> wow
00:49 < Kurttank> Who knew TI stood for Gestapo...
00:50 < Kurttank> He must have been an assembly wizard
00:50 < Kurttank> well, must BE
00:50 < BrandonW> Why's that?
00:50 < Kurttank> seeing as he aint dead or dissapeared yet
00:50 < DrDnar> Kurttank, it's not like they had him executed. He's still around.
00:51 < Kurttank> That's what I said
00:51 < DrDnar> He's not in the past tense. Stop it.
00:51 <@chronomex> heh
00:51 < DrDnar> Oh, you did say that.
00:51 < Kurttank> I corrected that statement dude
00:51 < Kurttank> yeah, lol
00:51 < DrDnar> Yeah, you did.
00:52 < Kurttank> I hate how typing blocks out the screen
00:52 < BrandonW> Off with his head!
00:52 < Kurttank> well, for me
00:52 < DrDnar> New euphemism for being dead: "Entered the past tense"
00:53 < sir_lewk> nice
00:54 < BrandonW> The logging for resign68k says it's dealing with OS data even if you're re-signing an application, but oh well.
00:54 < BrandonW> It still works fine.
00:57 < DrDnar> Does the Nspire 84 have a linkport?
00:57 <@chronomex> yes
00:57 <@chronomex> iirc it's on the keypad or something stupid like that
00:58 < Kurttank> iirc the entire way they did the nSpire was stupid.
00:58 < BrandonW> Yes.
00:58 < BrandonW> It's Nspire, not nSpire.
00:58 < Kurttank> Does a turd burger by any other name not suck as much ass?
00:59 <@chronomex> Kurttank: stop being incoherent
00:59 < BrandonW> That doesn't deserve a response.
00:59 <@chronomex> ... and yet it got two
00:59 < DrDnar> He'll never be good at assembly.
00:59 < Kurttank> yep
00:59 < Kurttank> ;_;
01:00 <@chronomex> http://www.usc.edu/dept/molecular-science/papers/fp-des96.pdf
01:00 <@chronomex> :O
01:01 < Kurttank> summary?
01:01 < DrDnar> Recently Boneh Dunworth and Lipton described the potential use
01:01 < DrDnar> of molecular computation in attacking the United States Data En
01:01 < DrDnar> cryption Standard DESHere we provide a description of such an
01:01 < DrDnar> attack using the sticker model of molecular computation Our anal
01:01 < DrDnar> ysis suggests that such an attack might be mounted on a tabletop
01:01 < DrDnar> machine using approximately a gram of DNA and might succeed
01:01 < DrDnar> even in the presence of a large number of errors
01:01 < DrDnar>
01:01 < sir_lewk> to his credit, he was quoting shakespear (in a way...)
01:01 <@chronomex> Kurttank: get a real computer ...
01:01 <@chronomex> twe
01:02 <@chronomex> misfire
01:02 < DrDnar> It's done with TeX.
01:02 < sir_lewk> that paper seems a tad dated. DES?...
01:02 <@chronomex> still though
01:02 <@chronomex> sir_lewk: can be applied to any bruteforce comutation
01:02 <@chronomex> DES was probably just the simplest
01:03 < sir_lewk> true
01:03 < Kurttank> I have many computers. Only one monitor. It's being used by my ass of a brother to play video games.
01:03 < sir_lewk> well, DES can be bruteforced with regular computers pretty easily anyways
01:03 <@chronomex> Kurttank: if its yours, turf him out
01:03 < sir_lewk> see Deep Crack
01:04 < Kurttank> We share them. It sucks.
01:04 <@chronomex> sir_lewk: yeah, do you understand the words "proof of concept"?
01:04 < DrDnar> How much does a monintor, keyboard, and mouse cost?
01:04 < sir_lewk> yeah, I know
01:04 <@chronomex> DrDnar: $20 used
01:05 < sir_lewk> you can pick up a shitty CRT off the streets for free, if you just look a bit
01:05 < i_c-Y> free if you steal them.
01:05 <@chronomex> yeah
01:05 < sir_lewk> better than using a phone or whatever the hell he's doing
01:05 <@chronomex> gamers love CRTs
01:05 < DrDnar> Everything is free is stolen.
01:05 <@chronomex> give it to him, take the current one for yourself
01:05 < DrDnar> if*
01:05 < i_c-Y> or go to your muncipality computer recycling center and ask em if you can have a CRT.
01:05 <@chronomex> NO WE HAVE TO SMASH THEM
01:05 < Kurttank> Dude, there is absolutle no space for another desk.
01:06 <@chronomex> you have a lap, yes?
01:06 < Kurttank> I can't do anything about it right now.
01:06 < DrDnar> Super Nerdio Smash Monitors?
01:06 <@chronomex> get a shitty laptop and use remotedesktop or whatever
01:06 < TheStorm> DrDnar++
01:06 < Kurttank> I like CRT's, they blow up nice
01:06 < sir_lewk> kick your brothers ass, steal screen, tell him you're doing science with it
01:06 < sir_lewk> problem solved
01:06 <@chronomex> SCIENCE
01:06 < Kurttank> Especially with 1kg physics weights and good sized potatoes
01:06 < TheStorm> chronomex, or he could, gasp run linux on it
01:07 <@chronomex> *gasp*
01:07 <@chronomex> TheStorm: then rdesktop
01:07 <@chronomex> same shit
01:07 < sir_lewk> that'd solve that pesky gamer problem >_>
01:07 < DrDnar> http://store.xkcd.com/xkcd/#StandBackScience
01:07 <@chronomex> sir_lewk: heh yeah
01:07 < TheStorm> True, that or irssi + screen
01:07 < Kurttank> I don't have a laptop. I can't spend any money. There is no room to move shit. Problem cannot be solved until I move out. NEXT SUBJECT.
01:08 < TheStorm> Kurttank, I bougt my last laptop for $20 so that excuse doesn't fly
01:08 < Kurttank> BTW, I am also a gamer. That's just all he does. At least I have like 5 DIFFERENT hobbies as well.
01:08 <@chronomex> then stop ircing from your fone, or at least stop complaining about it
01:08 <@chronomex> it's irritating
01:08 < BrandonW> That's fine, we just won't explain every little thing to you.
01:08 < Kurttank> Yeah, tell that to my dad. He'd kill me for buying another computer.
01:08 <@chronomex> next time you bitch about no copy/paste I'm kicking you
01:08 < Kurttank> ugh
01:08 < Kurttank> I'm not
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01:08 <@chronomex> you have a bunch
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01:08 < Kurttank> you guys just bring it up every five minutes
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01:09 < TheStorm> anyways
01:09 < sir_lewk> buy a pound of coke, cut it, resell it on the street, buy a laptop. there are solutions to these problems
01:09 <@chronomex> no, you're all "summarize for my lazy ass"
01:09 < TheStorm> Kurttank, have you learned ASM yet?
01:09 < Kurttank> .... no.
01:10 < Kurttank> and I know you guys were betting on me ;_;
01:10 < TheStorm> then use your crappy phone and start reading the tutorial, I assume if it can irc that you can open an html document
01:10 < BrandonW> I'm the only one that really took a bet.
01:10 < BrandonW> Nobody else thought you'd even come back.
01:10 < Kurttank> I did. I gave up and am buying a TI89T.
01:11 < Kurttank> and my phone isn't crappy ;_;
01:11 < Kurttank> It's a blackberry
01:11 < BrandonW> Yeah, so it's crappy.
01:11 < sir_lewk> do you know C?
01:11 < DrDnar> I'd eschew TI entirely and go for an HP-50.
01:11 < Kurttank> Yep, I do
01:12 < sir_lewk> ah, good. C on the 89 is pretty slick
01:12 < Kurttank> HP-50?
01:12 < DrDnar> IIRC, they have 64-level greyscale.
01:12 < Kurttank> no way
01:12 < DrDnar> The HP-50 has an ARM that can go up to 200MHz, and it has an SD-card slot.
01:12 < i_c-Y> it also has built in KERMIT, IR, and SD card support.
01:12 < sir_lewk> that's a tad absurd for a calculator
01:12 < Kurttank> how's the programming on them?
01:12 < Kurttank> Dude that's like a monster computer
01:13 < DrDnar> It has a Lisp-like language, but supports ARM assembly and probably C.
01:13 < DrDnar> Oh, and BASIC.
01:13 < sir_lewk> functional languages are slick
01:13 < Kurttank> Dude, those specs are better than a pentium II
01:13 < sir_lewk> yeah, my old PII was *barely* better than that :)
01:14 < Kurttank> Yeah
01:14 < i_c-Y> user RPL, system RPL, HP Basic which nobody cares about, ASM, and C with HPGCC
01:14 < sir_lewk> and I used that computer full time up until 2 years ago :)
01:14 < DrDnar> 131x80 pixel display, 2MB flash, 512K RAM.
01:14 <@chronomex> DrDnar: we don't have 64-grays, just 4
01:14 <@chronomex> 8 on HW1
01:14 < Kurttank> So you go from a TI-84, which is basically a ZX Spectrum, to an HP-50, which is an IBM Pent II
01:14 < DrDnar> No, I recall seeing a program for the HPs that does 64 levels.
01:15 <@chronomex> but not on 89s
01:15 < DrDnar> One guy published a program that does eight-levels on the TI-83+
01:15 < sir_lewk> HW1 89s were good at grayscale but HW2 and up just do 4 levels basically
01:15 < Kurttank> 7, Actually
01:15 < DrDnar> It was like 8K for a single photo.
01:15 < Kurttank> It's called Truegray
01:15 <@chronomex> DrDnar: heh, yeah
01:15 < Kurttank> I've got it
01:16 < Kurttank> and it's a bitch to convert photos
01:16 <@chronomex> mmmm porn on my calculator
01:16 < DrDnar> Don't you have to reassemble the file?
01:16 < Kurttank> You have to manually change it to 7 colors then run it through a DOS prompt program
01:16 < Kurttank> It sucks
01:17 < DrDnar> Command lines are cool.
01:17 < Kurttank> You only get 4 layer with RIGview, but the PC program is a HELL of a lot more user friendly
01:17 < Kurttank> You get a windowed app with sliders to adjust the way the photo is rendered
01:18 < sir_lewk> champs use command lines
01:18 < Kurttank> And it does everything automatically
01:22 < DTal> Can someone with a windows PC resign that C compiler for me? I can't get resign68k to run on my Lin-ex.
01:23 <@chronomex> lin-ex?
01:23 <@chronomex> have you tried Wine?
01:23 < DTal> http://gtc.ti-fr.com/
01:23 < DTal> Yes. It's a .Net program.
01:23 < sir_lewk> you have to sign a pc program to run it in linux? wtf are you doing?
01:23 <@chronomex> have you tried Rabbitsign?
01:24 < DTal> I thought that was Z80 only.
01:24 < sir_lewk> oh, nvm
01:24 <@chronomex> it has a unix version and claims to do every model
01:24 < BrandonW> It's not.
01:24 < DTal> Oh, right. I shall give it a go.
01:24 < DTal> (it will do apps right? good.)
01:24 < BrandonW> I've never gotten it to work.
01:24 < BrandonW> For 68k models.
01:24 < BrandonW> But the readme says it does it.
01:25 < DTal> tar.gz... Makefile... now I'm in home territory!
01:25 < TheStorm> we'd have to talk to ben moody on how to do it, I never even got it to work for the z80 models but thats just me
01:26 <@chronomex> DTal: exactly :)
01:26 < BrandonW> He may not even be willing to update it now.
01:26 <@chronomex> :(
01:26 < BrandonW> OS2Tools will sign the z80 models, it's at http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/os2tools.zip
01:26 < BrandonW> It's more up-to-date than the ticalc.org one.
01:26 < TheStorm> But he may help someone else updae it, at least I don't think thats against the C&D order
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01:27 < Kurttank> is it just me, or does everything on ticalc feel out of date?
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01:27 < BrandonW> It's just you.
01:27 < Kurttank> ;_;
01:27 <@chronomex> dont be hatin on ticalc
01:27 < BrandonW> It's just easier for me to push updates to my own server than ticalc.org.
01:27 < BrandonW> I do get around to it eventually.
01:27 < DTal> BrandonW: Ah, I was confusing RabbitSign with OS2Tools.
01:28 < BrandonW> It's also .NET.
01:28 < BrandonW> I don't use Linux, you're on our own if you're on that.
01:28 < BrandonW> But given that it's .NET, hopefully you're not completely out of luck.
01:28 * chronomex is on his own
01:28 <@chronomex> have you tried Mono?
01:29 < Kurttank> hang on guys, I have to jump to another server to talk to another group about some dox they got...
01:29 * chronomex hangs on
01:29 <@chronomex> oh
01:29 <@chronomex> right
01:29 < Kurttank> lol
01:29 <@chronomex> I think Kurttank might have a deficient client
01:29 < Kurttank> duh
01:29 < sir_lewk> what would be nice is if ticalc had some sort of version control system that allowed people to upload stuff easily and whatnot
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01:30 <@chronomex> sir_lewk: hmmm
01:30 <@chronomex> like github?
01:30 < TheStorm> sir_lewk, it would be nice if the user had more control over their uploaded files
01:30 < sir_lewk> yeah, like github
01:30 <@chronomex> but you fail to realize that our site is managed with a fragile combination of RCS and perl, to which adding git would probably bring the whole mess crashing down
01:30 < sir_lewk> or sourceforge, any site like that
01:31 < sir_lewk> mmhm, I've heard that :)
01:31 <@chronomex> we like to keep the filearchives well-groomed
01:31 <@chronomex> or at least pretend we are
01:31 < sir_lewk> you could do a subdomain. projects.ticalc.org that people could use. it'd be an independant system
01:32 < sir_lewk> then when people finish stuff they'd submit it to ticalc.org like usual
01:32 < BrandonW> I think it's fine as it is.
01:32 <@chronomex> ticalc isn't SUPPOSED to be a repository for abandoned half-finished broken software
01:32 < BrandonW> Since the ticalc.org CD fiasco, moderators really need to be checking every single update, so any sort of improvement like this is inappropriate.
01:33 < sir_lewk> what I'm saying is it'd be nice to offer more capable project hosting for people that don't have it. you'd keep ticalc itself seperate and the same
01:33 <@chronomex> sir_lewk: so offer it
01:33 < sir_lewk> the only hosting I have is from my school >_>
01:33 < BrandonW> Yeah, nobody's ever thought of that before.
01:33 < BrandonW> Like ticalc.org/calc.org sub-domains, SourceForge...
01:34 < BrandonW> Every free host ever...
01:34 < BrandonW>
01:34 <@chronomex> heheheh
01:34 < sir_lewk> specific to calcs >_>
01:34 < BrandonW> Google Code...
01:34 < sir_lewk> ya ya
01:34 < TheStorm> you can already get a ticalc subdomain so ...
01:34 <@chronomex> sir_lewk: if you really care, get a ticalc subdomain and do it there
01:35 < TheStorm> though I think tict.ticalc.org is the only subdomain still used by the owner
01:35 < sir_lewk> meh, it was just an idea
01:36 <@chronomex> ...
01:36 <@chronomex> TheStorm: lpg.ticalc.org too
01:36 < TheStorm> chronomex, well not really anymore, tilp is nolonger updated, though I guess tilem and tiemu are still there
01:37 <@chronomex> yeah, okay, I suppose so
01:38 <+Netham45> Can someone give me a quick website that requires ActiveX to test something on?
01:38 < TheStorm> update.microsoft.com
01:38 < TheStorm> :P
01:38 <@chronomex> isn't it windowsupdate.microsoft.com?
01:38 <+Netham45> lol
01:39 < TheStorm> chronomex, both are valid, on is MS update, and the other is windows update.
01:39 <@chronomex> k
01:39 < TheStorm> one is for windows only and the other checks all MS software
01:40 <+Netham45> heh
01:40 <+Netham45> got one that loads something that's blatently obviously an embedded page control?
01:40 <+Netham45> also looking for one that's not trusted by IE.
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01:41 <@chronomex> we
01:41 <@chronomex> misfire
01:41 < sir_lewk> lulzp0wnzor.windozeupdates.ru
01:42 < DrDnar> Virus?
01:42 <+Netham45> lol
01:42 <+Netham45> DrDnar, fake.
01:42 < sir_lewk> made up
01:43 <+Netham45> actually
01:44 <+Netham45> I guess I'll have to install the control beforehand, which should be all that IE prompts for, security wise.
01:44 < sir_lewk> why are you trying to use activex?
01:44 <+Netham45> sir_lewk, exploiting stuff.
01:45 <+Netham45> redirecting pages on Windows Media Center on my 360
01:45 <+Netham45> I wanna try to get ActiveX to launch an NES emulator I can play with my controller.
01:45 < sir_lewk> figures, that's all activex was ever good for >_>
01:46 < DTal> Cool, TiLP is in the debian repos.
01:46 <+Netham45> lol
01:46 < DTal> There I was compiling...
01:47 < sir_lewk> there is always calcforge too. debian/fedora repos
01:48 <+Netham45> egh, they changed MCE's pickiness on webpages between Vista and windows 7
01:48 <+Netham45> just enough to be annoying too.
01:48 <+Netham45> not enough to destroy what I'm doing. >.>
01:50 < sir_lewk> can't you just fuck with dns to make it load whatever page you want?
01:53 < sir_lewk> seems like that'd be easier, if I understand what you're trying to do correctly
01:53 < sir_lewk> which I probably don't
01:54 < BrandonW> I think the goal is code execution.
01:54 < BrandonW> Exploiting something in the way the 360 does ActiveX.
01:54 < BrandonW> Getting it to load pages is probably that easy.
01:54 < sir_lewk> ah
01:54 <+Netham45> eh
01:54 <+Netham45> it loads pages on the computer it's linked to
01:54 <+Netham45> then outputs the display to the 360
01:54 < incubus> Can you watch porn on the xbox?
01:54 < BrandonW> Of course@!
01:54 < incubus> mmmm
01:55 < BrandonW> incubus, the keys are all factored.
01:55 < incubus> ... :D
01:55 <@chronomex> incubus: story is on ticalc
01:55 <@chronomex> :D
01:55 <@chronomex> I is so EXCITED
01:55 * chronomex lisps and claps hands
01:55 < BrandonW> I have a request to Wikilinks to upload the zip instead of just the 3 factors, but they'll probably ignore me.
01:55 <@chronomex> :(
01:56 < incubus> :(
01:56 <@chronomex> lame
01:56 < incubus> I should get it tattooed on my body
01:56 <@chronomex> that's a lot of tattooing
01:56 < incubus> heh
01:56 <@chronomex> srs
01:56 <@chronomex> http://students.washington.edu/f/projects/ti/keys.shtml
01:56 < BrandonW> He wants his own DMCA notice, spam that everywhere.
01:57 <@chronomex> ^ please
01:57 < incubus> fix the layout
01:57 <+Netham45> just send it to the guy who was sending out DMCA notices. >.>
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01:57 < incubus> herbie!
01:57 < BrandonW> That's too easy.
01:57 <+Netham45> ^
01:58 <@chronomex> I don't care, I want a mailed notice
01:58 <@chronomex> email doesn't cut it
01:58 < incubus> I still want to see a video of BrandonW around a round-table with TI employees
01:58 <+Netham45> haha
01:58 <+Netham45> I can use meta redirects on MCE on the 360
01:58 <+Netham45> \o/
01:58 <@chronomex> I think I'm gonna take a walk and then think about usb some
01:59 <+Netham45> the fuck
01:59 < BrandonW> Yay!
01:59 <+Netham45> my xbox just opened the control panel on my desktop
01:59 <+Netham45> o.O
01:59 < incubus> lol
01:59 < incubus> hahaa
01:59 <+Netham45> I almost wanna take a pic of this, haha.
01:59 <+Netham45> I can't get out of the damn web browser in media center.
01:59 <+Netham45> aah
02:00 <+Netham45> it started playing HSN
02:01 <+Netham45> epic
02:01 <+Netham45> I can interact with windows I pop up.
02:01 <+Netham45> dpad/lstick = arrows, a=enter, b=backspace.
02:01 < BrandonW> Is there a guide somewhere that you're following?
02:01 <+Netham45> no.
02:01 <+Netham45> just screwing around.
02:02 < BrandonW> I don't follow the 360 community...I have one of those awful DVD drives that you have to solder in a chip to get to mode B. Is there some way I can play backups without having to open up the case?
02:02 <+Netham45> no.
02:02 <+Netham45> you have to open it for any dvd drive.
02:03 <+Netham45> If you havn't taken the latest dash update, you can chip it and run homebrew/linux on it, too.
02:03 < BrandonW> What is the holdup with PS3 homebrew anyway?
02:03 <+Netham45> uh
02:03 <+Netham45> lack of market, I believe.
02:04 < BrandonW> From a technical standpoint.
02:04 <+Netham45> that, and the PS3 supports linux already.
02:04 < BrandonW> Not with the new slim, or so I've heard.
02:04 <+Netham45> Is the slim even out yet?
02:04 < BrandonW> I have no idea.
02:04 <+Netham45> and, yea, they removed Linux support from the slim.
02:08 <+Netham45> I take that back, B doesn't do 'backspace', appears to be doing some other key.
02:08 < BrandonW> Back?
02:09 <+Netham45> dpad/lstick = arrows, a=enter, b=backspace.
02:09 <+Netham45> not sure what 'B' is doing.
02:09 < BrandonW> I'm suggesting, "Back."
02:09 <+Netham45> oh
02:09 <+Netham45> that's my guess.
02:09 <+Netham45> I managed to get a 'save file' dialog open inside IE, it's not doing 'backspace', I couldn't erase text.
02:11 < incubus>
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02:12 <+Netham45> >.>
02:12 <+Netham45> argh, I can't get HSN to stop playing
02:12 <+Netham45> wtf
02:12 <+Netham45> Anyone wanna buy a Dyson vaccume?
02:12 <+Netham45> vaccum*
02:12 < BrandonW> Model?
02:13 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: you cant access the GPU on the PS3 for one.
02:13 <+Netham45> no idea, it's on HSN right now.
02:13 < BrandonW> I don't care about running stuff from Linux...
02:13 < BrandonW> I'm talking backups.
02:13 <+Netham45> Pirate.
02:13 < BrandonW> BACKUPS
02:13 < BrandonW> Not downloads.
02:13 < BrandonW> Pirate.
02:14 <+Netham45> yea, everyone says backups.
02:14 <+Netham45> :P
02:14 < i_c-Y> probably clost for one.
02:14 < BrandonW> clost?
02:14 < i_c-Y> cost
02:14 < sir_lewk> I love how everyone is assumed criminal by default
02:14 < BrandonW> I don't care about how popular it is, I know people are working on it.
02:15 < BrandonW> I want to know why those 4 people haven't released something.
02:14 <+Netham45> hmm
02:15 <+Netham45> I crashed the MCE app on my 360
02:15 <+Netham45> oops.
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02:15 < BrandonW> Last I read, I thought they had broken the encryption on the firmware.
02:15 < BrandonW> They've been able to flash old versions on the chip.
02:15 < BrandonW> But the encryption was stopping them from making changes to it.
02:16 < BrandonW> So I don't see where the disconnect is between that and releasing a modified version that allows backups.
02:16 < BrandonW> Or at the very least unsigned code.
02:16 <+Netham45> the old version would still have a valid signature?
02:16 < BrandonW> yES.
02:17 < incubus> lol
02:17 <+Netham45> yea. My guess is that they had to encrypt the still-valid old version somehow, but changing the sig would invalidate it.
02:20 < BrandonW> What? They can put old versions on there.
02:20 < BrandonW> And I THINK they can modify and re-sign the firmware.
02:20 < BrandonW> So all they have to do is DO the modification and flash it.
02:20 < BrandonW> Yet I've seen nothing.
02:22 <+Netham45> not sure.
02:22 <+Netham45> I don't follow the PS3 scene.
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02:40 <@chronomex> I think I'll write an IO port debugger tonight
02:41 < BrandonW> Sweet.
02:41 < BrandonW> That's always been the first step.
02:41 < BrandonW> What'll it do exactly?
02:42 <@chronomex> I'm not sure but I have some ideas
02:42 <@chronomex> I also have some hunger
02:42 <@chronomex> MORE CORNDOGS
02:43 < BrandonW> On the z80s, it's safe to poll all the ports as often as you like except the Ax data ports (obviously) and the frame counter (ports 8C and 8D).
02:43 < sir_lewk> man, I bought a box of corndogs the other week at trader-joes
02:43 < sir_lewk> turns out they were "meat free" corndogs :/
02:44 < sir_lewk> they were fine though, just a bit bland
02:44 <+Netham45> haha, wow, I couldn't make this thing look worse. It requires one to grant admin to a strange user, has a heavy reliance on ActiveX, and is running weird programs.
02:45 < i_c-Y> ...
02:45 < sir_lewk> wow, enterprisy
02:45 < sir_lewk> ;P
02:45 <+Netham45> lol
02:48 <+Netham45> hmm
02:49 <+Netham45> perhaps I could use vbscript to run the program under the current users permissions, and get rid of that shoddy ActiveX control I'm using...
02:49 < DTal> Nah. If you're gonna screw up, do it royally.
02:50 <+Netham45> lol
02:50 < DTal> Make it open a bunch of ports or something too.
02:51 <@chronomex> sir_lewk: that's sad :(
02:51 < DTal> Is there a plausible justification for a database? Excellent. Be sure not to sanitise the input.
02:51 <+Netham45> lol, sir_lewk.
02:52 <+Netham45> DTal, I'm getting a fucking NES emulator to be playable from an xbox 360, so stfu.
02:52 <+Netham45> bah, the webbrowser isn't even trying to parse vbscript.
02:53 <+Netham45> owait, there it goes.
02:55 < DTal> Only joking :)
02:55 <+Netham45> :P
02:55 <+Netham45> bah, it blocks the shell commands of vbscript. :(
02:56 <+Netham45> DTal, just to make it more confusing, I have vbscript in a .jsp file.
02:56 * DTal is confused
02:56 < jr19> ooooh yes
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02:58 <+Netham45> perhaps that wasn't the right clipboard contents to paste
03:01 <@chronomex> so one of my roommates is fucking the other one's sister
03:01 <@chronomex> this clearly has zero potential for awkwardness
03:01 < Tari> that sounds awesome
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03:02 <+Netham45> blargith.
03:02 <@chronomex> they're both in Forks, WA
03:02 <@chronomex> (yes the home of vampires ... shut up)
03:02 <@chronomex> all three of them, actually
03:03 < millinao> you should bring it up next time you're with them
03:04 <@chronomex> what, the potential for awkwardness?
03:04 <@chronomex> already have :P
03:05 * DTal tears hear
03:05 < DTal> *hair
03:05 < DSP_Lord> so one of my roommates is fucking the other one's sister
03:05 < DSP_Lord> nice.
03:05 <+Netham45> argh, MCE is too easy to crash. >.>
03:05 < DSP_Lord> chronomex: wouldn't be so bad if they were each banging the other's sister.
03:06 < sir_lewk> chronomex: yeah really, I was terribly disappointed :(
03:06 <@chronomex> yeah
03:06 <@chronomex> except the one with the sister is gay
03:06 < DSP_Lord> ...
03:06 <+Netham45> Hope he doesn't get jealous of his sister.
03:06 < sir_lewk> so he could be banging his roommate
03:06 < DSP_Lord> XD
03:06 <@chronomex> Netham45: he might ... :P
03:06 < sir_lewk> lmao
03:06 <@chronomex> lol
03:06 <+Netham45> :P
03:06 <@chronomex> I love my flatmates <3
03:06 < DSP_Lord> ok, so since no one else has asked yet...
03:06 < DSP_Lord> is the sister hot?
03:06 <@chronomex> not really
03:07 <@chronomex> she's like 28 and she smokes
03:07 <+Netham45> eh
03:07 <@chronomex> AND she lives in california
03:07 < DSP_Lord> some people don't find that completely unattractive <_<
03:07 < sir_lewk> ewwwww
03:07 <+Netham45> I don't see that creating awkardness.
03:07 < sir_lewk> california xP
03:07 <@chronomex> Netham45: why not?
03:07 <@chronomex> sir_lewk++
03:08 <+Netham45> chronomex, she's old enough to be her own person, her brother probabally isn't going to feel any need to 'protect' her
03:08 < DrDnar> Ah, so she's adopted?
03:08 <@chronomex> DrDnar: whaaat
03:08 <+Netham45> xD
03:08 < sir_lewk> huh
03:08 <@chronomex> Netham45: true, but ... whatever
03:10 * Netham45 wonders why MCE on the xbox has to have it's own 'DWM' process
03:10 <+Netham45> xD WTF
03:11 <+Netham45> I killed a process that was running on MCE, and it gave me the 'Logging Off' screen on my 360
03:11 * Netham45 is having fun.
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03:33 < DrDnar> (1 second) / (((96 * 64) / 8) * (10 microseconds)) = 130.208333
03:34 < DrDnar> Maximum frames per second the T6A04 can handle.
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03:35 * Randomist should have saved his money.
03:35 < Randomist> Maybe I should return my noise-cancelling headphones.
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03:36 < efneTI92> [Tar1] Remember, remember the 5th of November
03:36 < Randomist> The genres of music I listen to do a good job on their own of blocking noise.
03:38 < TheStorm> gnight #tcpa
03:39 <+Netham45> night.
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03:42 < Randomist> POWERTHIRST!
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03:56 < DrDnar> GW-BASIC?
03:57 < DrDnar> QuickBASIC :p
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03:58 < QuickBASI> Never noticed a maximum nick length. . .
03:58 <@chronomex> 9 chars on efnet sirs
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04:11 <@chronomex> ugh, why is tigcc so shitty to install
04:11 <@chronomex> I have to admit, gcc4ti is far easier
04:16 < BrandonW> Kofler has no sympathy for you.
04:16 <@chronomex> Kofler has me banned
04:16 <@chronomex> Kofler can suck a dick
04:16 <@chronomex> not mine
04:16 <@chronomex> I wouldn't let mine get near him
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04:26 < GW-Basic> gotta make a cable for my TI-85, parallel looks easiest. any thoughts?
04:27 < i_c-Y> its pretty easy to make, though serial is a better choice if you can make it.
04:29 < GW-Basic> I have a 5v adapting cable for radio-scanner but haven't found a way to implement it.
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04:30 < i_c-Y> do you have the parts for the link cable already?
04:30 < GW-Basic> got parts for parallel in junk drawer.
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04:31 < GW-Basic> el-cheapo cell phone headsets for 1$ are great for the 2.5mm cable.
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04:35 < efneTI92> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
04:35 < GW-Basic> hehe took another look, found a simpler one that is supposedly black-link compatible.
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04:50 <@chronomex> ugh, I don't know where to start
04:50 <@chronomex> I think I'll start with a snack
04:50 <@chronomex> this is a bad idea, I'm sure
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04:59 < jr19> acid...
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05:06 < Spengo> woo
05:06 < Spengo> I'm typing on my desktop from my laptop
05:07 < Spengo> windows live mesh thingy has a remote desktop now
05:07 < Spengo> works pretty good
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05:19 <@chronomex> nice
05:21 < Randomist> f/me installs Irssi on his Buffalo router.
05:29 < QuickBASI> Wow, the pressure at the bottom of the Mariana Trench is over 1000 atm.
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05:34 < efneTI92> [Tar1] Remember, remember the 5th of November
05:35 < Tar1> so is the pressure at the bottom of your mom
05:37 <@chronomex> ugh, I can't think any more
05:37 <@chronomex> wrote five lines of code today
05:37 <@chronomex> think I'll watch star trek and go to sleep
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05:37 <@chronomex> I think the most momentous thing I did today was a load of laundry
05:37 < QuickBASI> woo, go chronomex
05:37 < BrandonW> I did nothing today.
05:38 <@chronomex> oh yeah
05:38 <@chronomex> I wrote that article
05:38 <@chronomex> and updated my website
05:38 <@chronomex> and synced my svn repository with my laptop
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05:59 < BrandonW> I'm having real trouble getting this re-signer to create the same MD5 hash as what's in the OS.
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06:00 < BrandonW> I'm sure I'm decrypting the signature properly to get what TI says is the hash.
06:00 < BrandonW> And I hash pages 0-7 and 78h-7Dh on the 83+SE, with the exception of 7A:4000h to 7A:4200h, and 0FFh at 0056h instead of 5Ah.
06:01 < BrandonW> I hash all FFs at 7A:4000h to 7A:4200h too.
06:01 < BrandonW> And in the order that TI Connect would send them.
06:01 < BrandonW> I don't know where I'm going wrong.
06:03 < QuickBASI> I hate it when code works for reasons I don't understand.
06:04 < QuickBASI> It's nearly as bad as when it doesn't work for reasons you don't understand because then you can't change it.
06:04 <@chronomex> eyah
06:04 <@chronomex> I hate code
06:05 < QuickBASI> Computers would be so much easier if they used magic :)
06:05 <@chronomex> yeah
06:05 <@chronomex> and smoke
06:05 < QuickBASI> And mirrors!
06:05 < millinao> that was the joke, yes
06:06 < BrandonW> I am just about tempted to send an OS back to the flash debugger from a real calculator and set breakpoints after each page to see what the hash is at that point, and see if I match mine at each page.
06:06 <@chronomex> that sounds like an effective way to go about it
06:06 < QuickBASI> Why not try it?
06:06 < BrandonW> And incredibly painful.
06:06 <@chronomex> ^
06:07 < BrandonW> Not only do I have to hunt down where to set the breakpoint in the flash debugger, I have to send the same OS to my real 83+SE, send it back, record the hashes at each point, then do the same thing with my own code.
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06:15 < BrandonW> Finally...
06:15 < BrandonW> Off by one error.
06:17 < BrandonW> Off-by-one*
06:22 < QuickBASI> How are the OSs on the Nspire signed?
06:23 < BrandonW> We have no idea, we know nothing about the Nspire.
06:23 -!- QuickBASI is now known as BBCBasic
06:23 < BrandonW> And we never will until we get a dump of the hardware Flash chip.
06:23 < BBCBasic> Er, 84 keypad for the Nspire
06:23 < BrandonW> When thath appens, word will spread throughout the land.
06:23 < BrandonW> that happens*
06:23 < BrandonW> 84+SE OSes in the Nspire emulator are not signed.
06:23 < BrandonW> Or if they are, there's junk in the signature.
06:23 < BBCBasic> Makes sense.
06:24 < BrandonW> You cannot transfer it to any other calculator, nor can it receive a new OS.
06:24 < BrandonW> So there's no point.
06:24 < BBCBasic> And the emulator tries to prevent writing to OS pages.
06:24 < BrandonW> Right.
06:24 < BBCBasic> But you found a work-around.
06:25 < BBCBasic> I thought the contents of the flash chip on the Nspire was encrypted.
06:26 < BrandonW> The OS itself is encrypted.
06:26 < BrandonW> We don't have any idea how it's physically stored.
06:26 < BrandonW> It might be stored encrypted within memory, or it might not.
06:27 < BBCBasic> Oh, so no one's just gotten to the flash chip then.
06:27 < BrandonW> Right, and that's easier said than done.
06:29 < GW-Basic> And are they achieving anything other than annoying off the hardcore users?
06:29 < BBCBasic> They're doing it quite well.
06:29 < BBCBasic> With the OS being encrypted, we don't actually have a copy of the OS code.
06:30 < BrandonW> Is who achieving what?
06:30 < GW-Basic> TI, making things hard to have fun with.
06:30 < BBCBasic> So we can't search for vulnerabilities.
06:30 < BrandonW> They couldn't care less.
06:31 < BBCBasic> I'm sure there's a vulnerability in there somewhere we can use to run code.
06:31 < GW-Basic> got the college/noob users locked in so theyre making bank.
06:37 < BBCBasic> Getting at that NAND would require killing a unit.
06:37 -!- BBCBasic is now known as FreeBASIC
06:40 < GW-Basic> Visualbasic for DOS!
06:40 -!- GW-Basic is now known as VB-DOS
06:40 < FreeBASIC> lawl
06:45 -!- FreeBASIC is now known as BASICA
06:45 -!- BASICA is now known as C64-BASIC
06:46 -!- VB-DOS is now known as CBM-Basic
06:46 < CBM-Basic> beat me to it
06:47 -!- CBM-Basic is now known as TI-994aBA
06:48 < C64-BASIC> The NOR of the Nspire is programmed just like the flash chips on the 83s.
06:48 < C64-BASIC> JEDEC Standard
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06:50 < GW-Basic> hehe /nick Dr-DOS
06:51 -!- DrDnar is now known as DR-DOS
06:51 < BrandonW> I've already killed a "unit" for this.
06:51 < DR-DOS> A unit for what?
06:51 < BrandonW> Getting at the Nspire Flash chip.
06:51 < DR-DOS> http://www.kiesub.com/prostores/servlet/Detail?no=257
06:51 < DR-DOS> What'd you do?
06:51 < BrandonW> I did nothing.
06:51 < DR-DOS> The Nspire has two chips.
06:52 < BrandonW> I'm aware.
06:52 < DR-DOS> So you killed by doing nothing?
06:52 < DR-DOS> it^
06:52 < BrandonW> No, I'm not the one that messed with it.
06:52 < BrandonW> The boot code chip is the only interesting one.
06:52 < BrandonW> It can tell us a lot about how it works.
06:53 < BrandonW> The other chip might get us the OS, if it's unencrypted.
06:53 < BrandonW> But if it is, the boot code can tell us what it's doing.
06:53 < DR-DOS> Baby steps, I suppose.
07:03 < DR-DOS> http://tools.asix.net/prg_presto.htm
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07:19 * Randomist hugs Opera 10.
07:19 < Randomist> I can now pretty much dump Firefox.
07:20 < Randomist> I have Vim keys, and (almost) everything else I used in Firefox in Opera, now.
07:23 < DR-DOS> The pictures of the Nspire show it having poor contrast.
07:29 <@chronomex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB91Sm-kGJ8 neat!
07:34 < Randomist> Ew, a web site that still uses Comic Sans.
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07:39 < BrandonW> I think I'll finally finish the OS re-signer and checksum fixer tonight.
07:40 <@chronomex> awesome
07:40 <@chronomex> http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7450/image157l.jpg
07:41 < DSP_Lord> lol
07:41 < BrandonW> 10 minute execution time with 9 steps.
07:56 < BrandonW> It's hard to test something like that.
08:02 < BrandonW> Eureka feels like British comedy to me.
08:02 < BrandonW> It's like Doctor Who.
08:02 < BrandonW> And I hate that.
08:03 < _Digital> British comedy is okay
08:03 < BrandonW> I meant to say British scifi.
08:03 < _Digital> Lie to Me and House have loads of British comedy
08:04 < _Digital> I don't like Eureka either
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08:17 <@E-J> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66MarlzxfW8 british commedy at its best
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08:20 < tr1p1ea> Red Dwarf
08:22 < tr1p1ea> is funny
08:23 <@E-J> tr1p1ea speaks like he has watch some kaurismäki movies
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08:53 < BrandonW> Definitely the largest OS-patchy-like program yet.
08:53 < BrandonW> 1.8KB for the OS re-signer and checksum fixer.
08:54 < BrandonW> Now I just need a name for it.
09:03 < BrandonW> I hate Kirk Meyer for taking the name "Pterodactyl", I wanted so badly to name something that.
09:04 < tr1p1ea> hehe
09:04 < tr1p1ea> Pterosaur ?
09:07 < _Digital> wow. I'm surprised that I just suppressed about 12 threads by nicing my kernel compile to -20
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09:47 < tr1p1ea> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRDPLuhSl00
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11:22 < efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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14:36 <@Andy_J> _Digital: .... -20?!
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15:14 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: call it harrier.
15:14 < i_c-Y> like a harrier falcon
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16:07 < i_c-Y> lunch ideas, GO!
16:08 <+JoeYoung> Sushiya
16:09 <+JoeYoung> Pennsylvania roll w/ imitation crab and soy sauce
16:09 < i_c-Y> no, next idea
16:09 <+JoeYoung> Available at your local HEB Plus
16:13 < Merthsoft> hot dogs
16:14 <+JoeYoung> for $4.95
16:18 < i_c-Y> cup noodles won out :-/
16:19 < Merthsoft> yummy
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16:36 <+krisk> woyo
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17:03 <+krisk> yo
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17:55 <+krisk> hey you
17:58 < jr19> black tar, your veins, once new, now stained stained stained
17:58 <+krisk> hey jr19
17:59 < jr19> whats up
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17:59 < jr19> how was the party
18:00 <+krisk> couldn't gO :(
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18:00 < jr19> why not
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18:01 <+krisk> one of my bestest friends called to hang out with another bestest friend and we hadn't seen him in a while and he said he broke up with his girl so i figured it was more important to have a bro night out
18:01 <+krisk> and try to go to the party afterwards
18:02 < jr19> hmm i see
18:02 <+krisk> but i couldnt persuade them to go there (they hate that scene for some reason without ever being at any such party) and by the time we were going home it was too late train/bus wise to go there
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18:03 < jr19> did you get memory at least
18:03 <+krisk> wat?
18:03 < jr19> RAM
18:03 <+krisk> oh right yeah im on my new pc now
18:03 < jr19> cool
18:04 <+krisk> i could unlock to 4 cores but windows wouldnt boot lulz
18:04 < jr19> windows 7 keeps saying that its not genuine lulz
18:04 <+krisk> overclocked to 3.6ghz though
18:04 < i_c-Y> pirate
18:04 <+krisk> ohlol i downloaded ultimate for this new pc and it installs fully activated etc
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18:04 < i_c-Y> i have a legal copy of Win 7 pro from msdnaa
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18:04 <+krisk> me too but screw msdna
18:04 <+krisk> with current important updates installed and uac disabled
18:04 < BrandonW> I'm not calling it Harrier.
18:05 <+krisk> oh jr19 my friends did say theyll let me pic a goa party for us to go to soon
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18:06 <+krisk> i explained that if we were going to any party this should be the one though, since its the best thing out here and wont be held again untill next summer
18:06 < jr19> i was gonna say, summer weather has got to be ending soon
18:06 <+krisk> did you check out the recent gallery?
18:07 < jr19> yeah actually i did
18:07 <+krisk> cool
18:07 < jr19> is there any stuff from this weekend
18:07 <+krisk> not yet
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18:09 < jr19> ah
18:09 < jr19> at some point i have to find someone to ship my kid off to today
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18:09 <+krisk> there are some cool/cute goapsygirlies in the gallery though
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18:09 <+krisk> send it to military school
18:10 < jr19> heh
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18:10 < jr19> at almost 1 year old
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18:10 < jr19> not much happened with me this weekend
18:11 < jr19> and i'm just watching football now
18:13 <+krisk> there must be some dutch hippies who went to that party and browse 420chan though because i saw a pic from that gallery get posted on the mdma board i think
18:13 < jr19> yeah maybe
18:13 < jr19> i was looking at vaporizers the other night
18:14 <+krisk> hej cool
18:14 <+krisk> see any nice ones? im still looking for a small pipe-like decorated one
18:14 < jr19> not really
18:14 <+krisk> hmm
18:14 < jr19> i was just looking at anything and everything
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18:15 < jr19> only thing i have right now is a glass pipe
18:15 <+krisk> fun
18:16 < jr19> then again, i dont smoke anything very often
18:16 <+krisk> yeah me neither
18:17 < jr19> maybe twice a month normally
18:17 <+krisk> hmm me a lot less than that
18:17 <+krisk> mainly because i have nobody to toke with
18:17 <+krisk> my good friends dont care for hippie related things at all and my nongood friends dont care for it either and are bitchy to boot
18:18 < jr19> haha
18:18 <+krisk> :(
18:18 <+krisk> i want some good like-minded hippie friends
18:18 <+krisk> or one girl of said description
18:19 < jr19> i am not the type of person who cares to smoke a lot even if it is available
18:19 <+krisk> i will pay with my immortal soul if nessecary
18:19 < jr19> just every so often when hanging out
18:19 <+krisk> me neither
18:19 <+krisk> but last time ive taken any mind influencing substance was... hmm..
18:19 <+krisk> :/
18:19 <+krisk> including alcohol
18:19 <+krisk> mustve been months ago
18:20 < jr19> i smoked last night
18:20 < jr19> havent had alcohol in a while
18:20 <+krisk> my memory as of late is a great wash of boredom and <3girl<3using me for chilling and then breaking off
18:20 <+krisk> do you smoke anything else?
18:21 < jr19> besides weed? no
18:21 <+krisk> good
18:21 <+krisk> :P
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18:21 < jr19> i mean, i have had cigarettes before
18:22 < jr19> but i havent in a long time and i never have an urge to smoke one
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18:29 < sir_lewk> huh, I don't get morse code
18:30 < sir_lewk> the sequence FE (..-..) is the same as EL (..-..)
18:31 < sir_lewk> I thought morse code was an example of a huffman code
18:31 <@Andy_J> it's disambiguous if you chew the E off the latter.
18:31 <@Andy_J> wait
18:31 <@Andy_J> you're right
18:32 <@Andy_J> context?
18:32 < _Digital> spells the word feel
18:32 < TD-Linux> sir_lewk, it is not huffman code
18:32 < TD-Linux> you have to put spaces between letters
18:32 < TD-Linux> do you want to know exact timings?
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18:33 < sir_lewk> yeah, apparently. my discrete math teacher lied to me :(
18:33 <@Andy_J> teachers are not bulletproof
18:33 < sir_lewk> even though context would help, it'd be a PITA to transmit encoded messages were there is no context. you'd need to use pauses
18:34 < TD-Linux> spacing between letters is one dash
18:34 < TD-Linux> aka three dots
18:35 < sir_lewk> interesting
18:39 < i_c-Y> i think you mean prefix code, but no, morse code isn't a prefix code. you need spacing rules
18:40 < sir_lewk> right
18:40 < i_c-Y> space between parts of the same letter is 1 dot, between 2 letters is a dash, two words is 7 dots, and a dash is 3 dots.
18:40 < i_c-Y> or something like that.
18:41 < sir_lewk> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/The_First_Telegraph.jpg makes sense looking at it
18:41 < sir_lewk> they should make a revision to the standard to make it a prefix code though
18:42 < Merthsoft> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck why are history text books so borrrrrrring
18:44 < sir_lewk> well, imagine if someone wrote a "present" book
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18:44 < sir_lewk> like, about your life
18:45 < sir_lewk> it'd basically just contain passages about you reading a history book. totally boring as well
18:45 < Merthsoft> right, but why would anyone want to read that
18:45 < Merthsoft> there are interesting things in history, you can make it interesting
18:45 < sir_lewk> granted
18:46 < sir_lewk> I'd argue it'd dry mainly because it's non-fiction. Though nonfiction certianly *can* be good sometimes, it's far easier to write boring nonfiction
18:46 < DTal> Just use the Schartz-Metterklume method
18:47 < Merthsoft> ok
18:48 < sir_lewk> huh
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18:53 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v JoeYoung] by SnowCrash, Remius
18:53 <+JoeYoung> hahaha! This is great! Have you guys seen this? ---> http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/511050
18:59 < i_c-Y> yes i saw it when it came out
18:59 < i_c-Y> on explosm.net
18:59 <+krisk> not funny
18:59 <+krisk> :(
19:00 < sir_lewk> if it's a picture, why do I need flash to view it?
19:00 < Merthsoft> it's not a picture
19:00 < sir_lewk> well nvm ten
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19:03 <+JoeYoung> It was funy, never-the-less :)
19:09 <+krisk> hmm need some 2-player lan games where you can team up against decent ai
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19:13 < i_c-Y> the original UT has a good AI on inhuman and above. same for 2004
19:14 <+krisk> yeah
19:14 <+krisk> im also getting dawn of war 2
19:14 < i_c-Y> onslaught is my favorite game type for 2004
19:14 <+krisk> i wish there was a decent hack and slash game with gameplay as fluent as wow's pvp
19:14 <+krisk> or a decent shooter with coop
19:15 <+krisk> ghost recon is all that applies there i guess
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19:16 < sir_lewk> quake 3 had good AI for anyone but rather advanced players
19:16 < sir_lewk> oh, ghost recon is awesome
19:18 < i_c-Y> halo 1 is dare i say it fun on pc.
19:18 < i_c-Y> when playing multiplayer
19:18 < i_c-Y> esp with hax
19:18 <+krisk> against ai?
19:19 < Merthsoft> starcraft
19:19 <+krisk> good god no
19:19 < Merthsoft> it's a pretty fun game
19:19 <+krisk> just no
19:20 < i_c-Y> krisk: no, play it online
19:21 <+krisk> if only cod4 had coop
19:21 <+krisk> or wow lan heh
19:21 < i_c-Y> CS has really dumb bots in condition zero so thats no fun, COD4 is fun for how far i got into it
19:21 < i_c-Y> DOTA is fun too
19:22 <+krisk> dota is fun
19:22 <+krisk> theres that new spin off game now
19:22 <+krisk> uhm demigod thats pretty decent too
19:24 <+krisk> cant wait for the new operation flashpoint
19:25 < i_c-Y> wheres a cheap place to get 3.5mm plugs?
19:27 < sir_lewk> only mega-nerds play dota >_>
19:27 <+krisk> stalker seriously needs coop
19:27 < TD-Linux> DOTA even has a song about it
19:28 < TD-Linux> krisk, digikey?
19:28 <+krisk> wat?
19:30 < jr19> cod5 has coop doesnt it
19:30 <+krisk> really?
19:30 < jr19> it does on ps3 anyway
19:30 < jr19> i dont know about PC
19:31 <+krisk> i should get it for the zombie lan mode anyway
19:32 < jr19> yeah zombies is fun
19:32 <+JoeYoung> oh wow. look at this retard.
19:33 <+JoeYoung> he's complaining about games that did not make IGN's top 25 list.
19:33 <+JoeYoung> for Nintendo DS
19:33 <+JoeYoung> the games he named were released months after the list was made o_O
19:33 <+krisk> >implying DS has more than half a dozen good games
19:34 <+JoeYoung> The DS DOES have more than a half-dozen good games
19:34 <+JoeYoung> STFU krisk
19:35 < Merthsoft> where's the list?
19:35 <+JoeYoung> take a guess, Merthsoft.
19:35 < Merthsoft> oh, i suppose IGN
19:35 < Merthsoft> i figured you'd have the link handy and i'd not have to google for it
19:35 <+krisk> 1) scribblenauts 2) that music thing 3??
19:35 < Merthsoft> professor layton
19:36 <+JoeYoung> Elite Beat Agents / Ouendan 1+2
19:36 <+JoeYoung> And I'm trying to stay away from established series.
19:36 <+JoeYoung> such as Mario, Pokemon, etc
19:37 <+JoeYoung> Not that they aren't good too, some of them.
19:37 <+krisk> and non-exclusive titles
19:37 <+JoeYoung> Merthsoft, you might not want to bother lookign for the list.
19:37 <+JoeYoung> krisk: true
19:37 < Merthsoft> why?
19:38 <+JoeYoung> IGN, in some bright spark move, made the list 25 pages long.
19:38 < Merthsoft> god dammit i ahte it when people do that
19:38 <+JoeYoung> :/
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19:39 <+JoeYoung> They insisted to add a video, some screenshots, and their own personal BS they thought about it.
19:39 <+JoeYoung> For every single one.
19:41 <+JoeYoung> "Partners in time should be in the top ten."
19:41 <+JoeYoung> lol no
19:41 <+JoeYoung> That game was kinda terrible.
19:41 <+JoeYoung> M+L 3 was better than that.
19:43 < jr19> jesus
19:43 < jr19> nice tackling cleveland
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19:46 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
19:47 < TD-Linux> wanna buy a duck?
19:53 < jr19> for eating?
19:53 * _Auron_ misread as dick
19:53 < BrandonW> I'm sure you could use it for that purpose regardless, jr19.
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19:59 < jr19> thank god for nap time
19:59 <+krisk> <3 sleep
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20:02 < i_c-Y> if its a female duck, BrandonW can use it for duck breeding
20:02 < i_c-Y> assuming he has a male duck
20:03 <@chronomex> ducks are hard to find
20:04 <+krisk> is there a minimalist irc client that gives each person a color?
20:07 < TD-Linux> konversation
20:07 < TD-Linux> xchat
20:07 <@chronomex> lol, is anything with kde really minimal?
20:07 < TD-Linux> no :P
20:07 < TD-Linux> I dislike most minimal software
20:08 <+krisk> did you get any good date ideas recently?
20:08 < TD-Linux> sortof yes
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20:08 < TD-Linux> and it worked
20:08 <+krisk> ...
20:08 < TD-Linux> I don't feel like getting more descriptive
20:09 < i_c-Y> i used naim for a while. didnt really like it for IRC but used it for AIM
20:09 <+krisk> not even about what the date idea was?
20:09 < i_c-Y> you can also use irssi which is pretty simple on the interface but highly expandable
20:13 < jr19> i enjoy irssi the most
20:15 <+krisk> hmm i think ill just make a little script in mirc to change the colour based on the user's nickname
20:15 < i_c-Y> or install nnscript or something
20:15 <+JoeYoung> Ducks are not hard to find.
20:15 <+JoeYoung> We used to own ducks.
20:16 <+krisk> there are ducks everywhere in this country
20:16 <+JoeYoung> You can fucking buy them anywhere.
20:16 <+krisk> even in cities
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20:16 <+krisk> what would nnscript do?
20:17 < i_c-Y> put the config for it in some nice window
20:17 <+krisk> for what?
20:18 < i_c-Y> <+krisk> hmm i think ill just make a little script in mirc to change the colour based on the user's nickname
20:18 < i_c-Y> id think that feature is built in anyway
20:18 <+krisk> yeah but it wont just do that will it
20:18 <+krisk> itll also do loads of other things that i dont know about
20:19 < i_c-Y> yes, eat your soul, steal your first born, etc.
20:19 < i_c-Y> second one doesnt matter for you
20:19 < i_c-Y> because you'll never have one
20:19 <+krisk> well i have neither so
20:19 <+krisk> its the etc that worries me
20:19 < i_c-Y> unless if you become a raepist.
20:19 < i_c-Y> i has an email
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20:20 < efneTI92> [Netham45] "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." -Scissors
20:20 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by efneTI89
20:20 <@chronomex> JoeYoung: it's cheaper to kidnap ducks than it is to buy them
20:21 < i_c-Y> its also cheaper to kidnap babies than to have them
20:21 <@chronomex> no, babies are approximately free
20:21 <@chronomex> if you keep the woman silent, that is
20:21 <+JoeYoung> at 50 cents a duck, why try to steal them?
20:21 <@chronomex> it's that cheap?
20:21 < i_c-Y> for the thrill
20:21 <+krisk> babies are not free
20:21 <+krisk> maintenance costs are through the roof
20:21 <@chronomex> I guess there's no profit margin in ducks then
20:21 < i_c-Y> JoeYoung: are they food grade?
20:22 <@chronomex> krisk: yeah, but I was talking about the creation
20:22 <+JoeYoung> chronomex: sure there is.
20:22 <@chronomex> i_c-Y: I think they're baby ducks, you'd have to raise them yourself
20:22 < i_c-Y> chronomex: depends on who you are
20:22 <@chronomex> JoeYoung: yeah, but it's small
20:22 <+JoeYoung> They're ducklings at first.
20:22 <@chronomex> DUCKS
20:22 <@chronomex> BAG OF BABY DUCKS
20:22 < i_c-Y> eg. for krisk , he needs chorloform and/or roofies.
20:22 < i_c-Y> which isn't free
20:22 <@chronomex> lolol
20:22 <@chronomex> i_c-Y++
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20:23 < Merthsoft> ahahaha
20:23 <+krisk> its cheaper if they dont have to survive the ordeal
20:23 <@chronomex> dialup :P
20:23 <@chronomex> krisk: babies require them to survive it ...
20:23 <+JoeYoung> I went to tractor supply once and bought a dozen ducks.
20:23 <@chronomex> did they come in an egg carton?
20:23 < Merthsoft> !qadd no, babies are approximately free | babies are not free | krisk: yeah, but I was talking about the creation | chronomex: depends on who you are | eg. for krisk , he needs chorloform and/or roofies.
20:23 <@efneTI86> Quote 1636 added
20:24 <@chronomex> thank you Merthsoft, I was trying to figure out how to word it
20:24 <+JoeYoung> chronomex, no. a box with holes.
20:24 <@chronomex> + I'm on a terminal without copy/paste
20:24 <+krisk> the point of quotes are that someone already worded them for you
20:24 < i_c-Y> JoeYoung: did you eat your ducks?
20:24 <@chronomex> JoeYoung: that's lame! They probably would eat each other if you put them there
20:24 < Merthsoft> and you'd have to add yourself, which is lame
20:24 < i_c-Y> one day i want to try turducken
20:25 <+JoeYoung> i_c-Y: sure did. but only like 3 of them.
20:25 <+JoeYoung> a few died and the others were given away over the years.
20:26 <+JoeYoung> chronomex: ducks really aren't that violent. now TURKEYS... on the other hand.... are fucking cannibals
20:26 <+JoeYoung> unchecked, they even eat their own young.
20:26 < i_c-Y> i want to go hunting now for some reason
20:27 <+JoeYoung> And they're smart enought to go for the jewels.
20:28 <+JoeYoung> :/
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20:29 <+JoeYoung> Don't mess with turkeys, they'll fuck your shit up.
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20:31 <@chronomex> JoeYoung: how the hell do turkeys manage to survive then?
20:32 < i_c-Y> they dont eat all of hteir young :)
20:32 <+JoeYoung> The strong survive.
20:32 <+JoeYoung> That's all there is.
20:32 <@chronomex> that's retarded
20:32 <+JoeYoung> That's nature.
20:33 <@chronomex> yea
20:33 <@chronomex> h
20:33 <+JoeYoung> Whales beach themselves.
20:33 <+JoeYoung> That's retarded too.
20:33 <+krisk> girl think
20:33 <+krisk> girls*s
20:33 <@chronomex> krisk: yeah, girls are retarded also
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20:51 < BrandonW> http://pastebin.com/m62ef0703 This is such a crazy program. It's amazing that it works.
20:52 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/resign.zip is the oncalc 83+/84+ series OS re-signer and checksum fixer.
20:52 < BrandonW> Spend 15 minutes of your life watching that thing run.
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20:56 < efneTI92> [Jonimus] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
20:59 <@chronomex> but like I don't have the right calc to run it on ...
20:59 < BrandonW> Get the 83+ SDK from education.ti.com!
21:00 <@chronomex> but I don't have a windows PC ...
21:00 < BrandonW> Get TilEm!
21:00 <@chronomex> but I'm busy ...
21:00 < BrandonW> Fail.
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21:01 < DTal> ...oncalc?
21:01 < BrandonW> Yes.
21:02 < DTal> So you can the edit the OS in-situ?
21:02 < BrandonW> Yes.
21:02 < DTal> Neat.
21:02 < BrandonW> And be able to pass the self-test's ROM checksum check, and transfer the OS to other calculators directly.
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21:05 < BrandonW> It's a real mess...some things you have to treat as if they were still on the PC, and others after.
21:05 < BrandonW> Like you have to hash some sections as FF because that's how it is in the 8XU.
21:05 < BrandonW> And others after it's already validated (5A at 0056h).
21:05 < BrandonW> I almost lost my mind trying to get the MD5 hashes to match, let alone the bignumpowermod routine.
21:07 < BrandonW> So I put OS 2.22 on my 84+SE (which has a nasty bug involving sequence graph tracing), installed the oncalc OS patch to fix it, and then ran that.
21:07 < BrandonW> It took like 15 minutes but it now validates successfully and has the sequence bug fix.
21:08 < BrandonW> So anyway, back to OS2 I guess.
21:09 <@chronomex> nice
21:09 < DTal> Grrr. I spent less than 5 minutes resigning a TI89 app yesterday, and I still haven't got linking working to test it. It shouldn't be this hard!
21:09 <@chronomex> oh yes it should
21:09 < BrandonW> What'd you use to sign it?
21:10 < DTal> Rabbitsign.
21:10 < BrandonW> Yay, it works!
21:10 <@chronomex> excellent!
21:10 < DTal> Well, I dunno. Like I said, I haven't tested it.
21:10 < DTal> Can't send it to the damn calculator.
21:10 < BrandonW> I couldn't even get it to modify the file, so you're further than I am.
21:11 < DTal> It was easy. It complained at first because the file was already signed - there's a switch to resign.
21:13 <@chronomex> good to hear :)
21:13 < BrandonW> Yeah, I figured I screwed it up somehow.
21:13 < BrandonW> I used the resign switch and it didn't complain, but who knows.
21:14 < DTal> It didn't modify the file in question - it created a new one.
21:15 <+JoeYoung> "Fawful is gourging on his plan of win, and he still has hunger!"
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21:33 < Jonimus> Woot Done with my Chem lab Report,
21:33 < Jonimus> Once I finish typing up my english stuff I'll be wokring on Roomba8x :)
21:34 < Jonimus> hmm thats to long of a name, hmm I'll have to come up with a better one later
21:35 <@chronomex> roomba8x :O what's that?
21:35 <@chronomex> I think it's a nice name
21:35 <@chronomex> 8 chars ought to be enough for anybody!
21:35 < Jonimus> its like telnet8x but for the roomba/icreate
21:35 <@chronomex> oh awesome
21:35 < DTal> Well, it works under emulation at least.
21:36 < Jonimus> it requires a blacklink/pic link but other than that it whould work with any calc
21:37 < Jonimus> but I have yet to even start on it :/
21:37 < Jonimus> I need to have it done by thursday of next week though, and I have no way to debug it either, I might email the prof and ask if I can borrow one of the icreates
21:38 <@chronomex> nice
21:38 <@chronomex> wait, you can't even test it?
21:38 <@chronomex> that's lame
21:38 <@chronomex> is it usb?
21:38 < Jonimus> no serial
21:38 <@chronomex> oh huh
21:38 < Jonimus> hence the need for a blacklink/piclink
21:39 <@Andy_J> I think you mean graylink
21:39 < Jonimus> ^
21:39 < Jonimus> oh my bad
21:39 < Jonimus> the graylink then
21:39 <@Andy_J> the blacklink just wires the I/O port to the TX/RX pins directly and doesn't pretend to do RS-242
21:39 <@Andy_J> * 2132
21:39 <@Andy_J> ** 232
21:40 <@Andy_J> I can't type today
21:40 < Jonimus> either way mine should be here tuesday, along with a null modem
21:40 < Jonimus> Andy_J, yeah thanks I always forget which is which
21:40 <@chronomex> wait, doesn't blacklink do the signalling via the flowcontrol lines?
21:40 <@chronomex> or is blacklink != ti's blacklink?
21:40 <@Andy_J> chronomex: who knows, maybe
21:40 <@chronomex> yeah, I traced it out one bored day
21:40 <@chronomex> flowcontrol lines
21:40 <@Andy_J> that's even weirder.
21:40 <@chronomex> it's got a quad comparator and some resistors
21:40 <@chronomex> no, not really
21:41 <@chronomex> using flowcontrol gets rid of the UART
21:41 <@chronomex> so you can bitbang in software, which is cheaper hardware-wise
21:41 < Jonimus> I know the parallel link is the easiest to make
21:41 <@Andy_J> you already need direct access to the serial piort on the computer so why not use the pins that make sense
21:42 <@chronomex> but the uart doesn't give you direct software access to the tx/rx pins
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22:01 < brob> Hi, is anyone here? I have a question about my TI-82
22:01 <@chronomex> sure
22:01 <@chronomex> I'm not an 82 person but go anyway
22:01 <+glk> I have data on TI-89 at http://grahamkendall.net/ in MATH
22:01 < brob> My keys aren't working...
22:01 < brob> At all.
22:01 <@chronomex> glk: wrong calculator
22:02 < brob> Only the ON button.
22:02 <@chronomex> brob: what do you mean?
22:02 <@chronomex> hm
22:02 <+glk> Some may apply to the ti-82
22:02 <@chronomex> glk: it's still irrelevant
22:02 < brob> I mean like, I can turn it on, but the all the other keys are unresponsive.
22:03 <@chronomex> have you tried resetting it?
22:03 < brob> Yea..
22:03 < brob> I followe the procedures shown on the TI website.
22:04 <+glk> Remove all batteries for a few hours
22:04 < brob> followed*.
22:04 < brob> Removed the batteries, pressed ON for 30secs and put them back in.
22:04 <+glk> Be sure batteries are fresh
22:04 < brob> They are brand new.
22:05 <@chronomex> as I said, I'm not a 82 person so I'm not the best person to help you
22:05 <+glk> Leave them out for some time
22:05 <@chronomex> have you tried calling TI?
22:05 <@chronomex> brob: ignore glk
22:05 < brob> Not yet, Chrono.
22:05 <@chronomex> 800-TI-CARES
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22:05 < brob> And I really don't want to go through al that hassle, that's why I came here.
22:05 <@chronomex> though I think they're closed right now
22:05 <@chronomex> right
22:06 < brob> Yea.
22:06 < brob> Well, that sucks. Lol. I really need it for tomorrow,man.
22:07 <@chronomex> lame
22:07 <@chronomex> what's the deal?
22:07 < brob> ?
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22:07 <@chronomex> what do you need it for?
22:08 <+krisk> i just had a good idea
22:08 <@chronomex> really ...
22:08 <@chronomex> !quoteurl
22:08 < brob> Calculus
22:08 <@efneTI86> http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/
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22:09 < brob> Do you think replacing the round battery is going to do something about it?
22:09 <@chronomex> try pulling that one out as well
22:09 <@chronomex> you shouldn't need to leave them out for more than a minute or two
22:10 < brob> Alright. I have to go now, I'm going to pull them out and when I come back I'll let you know if it fixed it or not.
22:10 <@chronomex> okay, best of luck :)
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22:13 <@chronomex> !q
22:13 <@efneTI86> 821: * smart rolls his balls into MikeKnoop's mouth [Added: Mike_K at 2006/12/08 20:45]
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22:35 < DTal> Hm, I'll bet brob's problem was a jammed link port.
22:36 <@chronomex> how would that show his symptoms?
22:36 < DTal> It would short circuit, causing the calc to lock up.
22:36 <@chronomex> ah, interesting
22:37 < DTal> No way of telling without seeing the calc, of course.
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22:37 < DTal> Oh GTC, where have you been all my life?
22:38 < DTal> This IDE has predictive text built in. OMG
22:38 < towf> is this the channel for programming TI?
22:38 <@chronomex> towf: yes
22:39 < towf> cool
22:39 <@chronomex> what do you do, towf?
22:39 < towf> I'm an engineering student
22:39 <+glk> Which calc do you use?
22:39 <@chronomex> studying what?
22:39 < towf> Geomatics
22:39 < towf> TI 83+
22:40 <@chronomex> hm, I haven't heard of that; what is it?
22:40 < incubus> they learn how to create earthquakes
22:40 <@chronomex> awesome!
22:40 < towf> it's collecting/analyzing spatial data
22:40 < towf> gis/gps
22:40 <@chronomex> ah, cool, I'm studying geography with a GIS focus
22:40 < towf> nice
22:41 <@chronomex> sort of the same thing from the other end
22:41 < incubus> sweet lord
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22:41 < incubus> geography? really?
22:41 < DTal> GIS? Google Image Search?
22:41 <@chronomex> yeah
22:41 <@chronomex> no
22:41 < towf> Is anyone able to help me? I was wondering what would be the best way to display a matrix. The numbers are long, so it would be necessary to scroll through the matrix.
22:41 < incubus> What's the capital of Tunisia?
22:41 < towf> Geographical Information System
22:41 <@chronomex> http://www.pnsn.org/req2/
22:42 < DTal> Oh man. Auto-indent, auto-bracket... why have I never heard of this thing?
22:42 <@chronomex> that sounds neat
22:43 <@chronomex> what are you writing?
22:43 < Jonimus> chronomex, btw, the reason I'm planing on making roomba8x is because its either that or Java :P
22:43 < DTal> chronomex: me?
22:44 <@chronomex> DTal: yeah, what IDE is this I meant
22:44 < DTal> GTC
22:44 < Jonimus> and since no one has done it before, I figured why not, I debating on how to go about it though, I think I should jsut make it a basic and asm interface with a GUI interface for quick stuff
22:44 < DTal> geez, syntax hints too
22:45 < DTal> http://gtc.ti-fr.com/
22:45 < DTal> although it remains to be seen if it actually compiles
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22:48 < Jonimus> DTal I don't think anyone has heard of it before, which surprises me a lot
22:49 < DTal> I've been googling off and on for something like this for years
22:50 < DTal> apparently it's been around for a while
22:50 < Jonimus> It looks better than ktigcc by a long shot
22:51 < DTal> I haven't looked at the computer part, just the oncalc part
22:52 < DTal> this is the first thing that runs on an 89 that could properly be called an IDE I've ever seen
22:52 < DTal> it claims compatibility with TIGCC too
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22:52 < efneTI92> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
22:53 < Jonimus> a m68k build of gcc, that sounds possible but I doubt it would come close to fitting on a calculator
22:53 <@chronomex> yeah
22:54 < DTal> oh no, the principle is sound
22:54 < DTal> I've seen a C compiler before - compiled stuff with it, even - but it would crash with any complex program
22:55 <@chronomex> yeah, on-ti c isn't exactly 100% new
22:56 < DTal> Huh. "Error: unresolved symbol '__main'"
22:56 < DTal> That's on the supplied hello world
22:57 < DTal> I knew it was too good to be true
22:57 <@chronomex> try changing __main to _main
22:57 < Jonimus> DTal, it sounds more like you didn't install it correctly
22:57 < Jonimus> or that
22:57 < Jonimus> I know there is a few ways to do oncalc asm on the z80's
22:58 < DTal> '__main" isn't even in the program
22:58 < Jonimus> Both the 83+ and the 86 have on calc compilers+IDE's
22:58 <@chronomex> DTal: pastbin the listing?
22:58 < Jonimus> DTal, then I'd say you installed something wrong
22:59 < DTal> http://gtc.ti-fr.com/doc/oncalc.html#On-calc.IDE
22:59 < DTal> there's the program I typed in
22:59 < DTal> well, I hope so
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22:59 < DTal> if I did something wrong, there's a chance of making it work
23:00 < bsparks> Damn, http://www.mytrain.com/truck/16.jpg would be PERFECT for work
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23:01 < DTal> I wonder if the current folder matters...
23:02 < Jonimus> DTal, it might
23:03 < towf> another question, is it possible to check if a list exists?
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23:06 < DTal> duhhh, I'm dumb
23:06 < DTal> forgot a space
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23:06 < DTal> Well Hello World works.
23:07 <@chronomex> nice
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23:07 < jr19> krisk: what is it
23:09 < Jonimus> jr19, an oncalc C compiler and IDE for the 68k's
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23:12 < BrandonW> 3 hours left on my TI-92 II auction!
23:13 * chronomex considers sniping
23:13 <@chronomex> but I already have a 92+ and I don't need an even shittier screen
23:14 <@chronomex> and it would make you permanently mad at me
23:14 <@chronomex> Without Print Option, nice
23:14 < BrandonW> I would kill you if you took it from me.
23:14 <@chronomex> yes
23:14 <@chronomex> permanently mad
23:15 < BrandonW> This will complete my collection, kids.
23:15 < BrandonW> Somebody except the datamath guy with every model.
23:15 <@chronomex> do you have both Nspires as well?
23:15 < BrandonW> Yes, the Nspire and the Nspires CAS+ (prototype).
23:15 <@chronomex> nice
23:15 < BrandonW> Nspire*
23:15 < BrandonW> Both were teacher deals.
23:16 <@chronomex> right
23:16 < DTal> I would love a V200, but I can't justify the expense when I already have an 89.
23:17 < BrandonW> The Voyage 200 kinda sucks.
23:17 < BrandonW> I never bonded with it.
23:17 < DTal> Really?
23:17 <@chronomex> my v200 is dead :(
23:17 <@chronomex> yeah, it does
23:17 <@chronomex> it's too small
23:17 <@chronomex> keys are a bit mashy
23:17 <@chronomex> but that might just be mine
23:17 < BrandonW> He does have the prototype.
23:17 < towf> anybody know how to check if a variable exists?
23:17 < BrandonW> Model?
23:18 < towf> 83+
23:18 < BrandonW> In BASIC? Can't.
23:19 < towf> dam
23:19 < towf> ok
23:20 <@chronomex> yet another reason z80 calculators suck :P
23:20 * chronomex ducks
23:20 < BrandonW> SUCK IT CHRONOMEX
23:21 < BrandonW> CHRONOMEX YOURE GONNA STOP MAKING FUN OF Z80 RIGHT NOW
23:21 <@chronomex> NO
23:21 <@chronomex> AM NOT
23:21 * chronomex pulls BrandonW's hair
23:21 <+krisk> SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
23:21 * chronomex snipes BrandonW's auction
23:21 * BrandonW squeals
23:21 < DTal> Boys, boys. Each calc is special in its own way.
23:21 <@chronomex> the 83+ is special for SUCKING
23:22 < DTal> What about the Silver Edition?
23:22 < BrandonW> I do kinda have to agree, these days the 83+ does suck.
23:22 < BrandonW> It holds us back.
23:22 < jr19> did i miss the good idea
23:23 < DTal> I always thought that was the charm. If you don't want to be held back, use a PC.
23:23 <@chronomex> yeah
23:24 <@chronomex> but not always
23:24 < BrandonW> I haven't bid for something on eBay in ages, any tips? Or is eBay going to automagically take care of me because of my max bid?
23:25 <@chronomex> is your max bid higher than what you expect other people will bid?
23:25 <@chronomex> if so, then yes
23:25 <@chronomex> but you should probably check back shortly before the auction closes anyway
23:25 < BrandonW> If two people have the same max bid, who wins?
23:25 <@chronomex> the first one
23:25 < BrandonW> The person who entered that max bid first?
23:25 < Jonimus> BrandonW, it doesn't allow that IIRC
23:25 <@chronomex> so like add $0.19 to your max or whatever
23:25 <@chronomex> yeah
23:26 <@chronomex> if two people bid 100, the first one to bid 100 wins
23:26 <@chronomex> so bid 100.19
23:26 <@chronomex> !seen ixat
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23:29 < BrandonW> I guess if someone other than me already had a max bid on it right now, we would've fought it out already, right?
23:29 < BrandonW> So we can guarantee I'm the only one with such a bid.
23:29 <@chronomex> yeah, it settles out instantly
23:29 <@chronomex> it mostly matters for people who bid after you
23:29 <@chronomex> most people on ebay are morons and don't set a max bid though
23:29 < BrandonW> So all I really have to worry about is someone bidding higher than me.
23:30 <@chronomex> because they don't understand it
23:30 <@chronomex> yes
23:30 < BrandonW> So it really comes down to, naturally, the max I'll pay.
23:30 <@chronomex> yes, ideally
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23:30 <@chronomex> you just need to decide that
23:30 < BrandonW> There is no limit to what I'll pay for this.
23:30 < BrandonW> This is the first time in a year one of my saved searches got a hit for a 92 II.
23:31 <@chronomex> wow
23:31 <@chronomex> set it to like $800 then
23:31 < Jonimus> BrandonW, are they really that rare?
23:31 < BrandonW> Yes.
23:31 < BrandonW> On eBay at least.
23:32 < Jonimus> I didn't realise that, then again Marquette has shelves full of TI-86's new in box
23:32 < BrandonW> If I recall correctly, this was only released in Europe.
23:32 < Jonimus> ohh that would explain it
23:32 < BrandonW> Well, the 92 E module was only released in Europe (I always figured the E was for Europe).
23:32 < BrandonW> A 92 II is a 92 with the E module included.
23:32 < Jonimus> ahh ok
23:32 < BrandonW> My understanding is that "E module" = "II module".
23:33 < BrandonW> They ARE physically different, but functionally identical.
23:34 <@chronomex> so you need both
23:34 < BrandonW> Don't say that. :(
23:34 < BrandonW> I will never find an E module for as long as I live.
23:34 <@chronomex> but you ... seem to.
23:34 <@chronomex> no?
23:34 < BrandonW> That datamath bastard is the only one with one.
23:34 < Jonimus> lol
23:35 <@chronomex> hey, do you want to buy my V200 prototype?
23:35 < BrandonW> I'd want to buy it more if it worked.
23:35 < BrandonW> Do you have any idea what's wrong with it?
23:35 <@chronomex> no clue
23:35 <@chronomex> it worked when I got it, then it mysteriously stopped
23:35 < BrandonW> Have you put new batteries in it recently?
23:35 < BrandonW> Just to see?
23:35 <@chronomex> it's been unbatteried for months
23:35 <@chronomex> let me try that
23:36 < Jonimus> BrandonW, the II module is the E module, they are the same
23:36 < BrandonW> Datamath.org has pictures of both, they have different circuitry and labels.
23:36 < Jonimus> oh nvm then, I jsut pulled that up
23:37 < BrandonW> So as far as I'm concerned, they're the same, and the datamath guy's a liar.
23:37 <@chronomex> BrandonW: no dice :\
23:37 < BrandonW> Have you tried silent linking with it to see if it's just a dead LCD?
23:37 <@chronomex> I ... haven't.
23:37 <@chronomex> good idea.
23:37 < BrandonW> It happens.
23:37 <@chronomex> :\
23:37 < BrandonW> I have an 84+SE here as proof.
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23:38 < BrandonW> As long as it's not completely fried, a little parts transplant is in order.
23:38 <+JoeYoung> omg
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23:39 < Jonimus> yeah and what about the first module listed there? the TI-I0696E module or w/e its called
23:39 <+JoeYoung> my SOB friend got a beta copy of Win7, fully featured, for his birthday
23:39 < BrandonW> It's a stub for the 92.
23:40 < BrandonW> You have to have it there or it won't boot.
23:40 < BrandonW> One of my 92s has it.
23:40 <+JoeYoung> I dun believe it
23:40 <@chronomex> silly silverlink
23:40 <@chronomex> why do you need a farging kernel module
23:40 < BrandonW> Either it's just a jump starter stub thing, or it's the actual 92 ROM.
23:41 <+JoeYoung> his dad's apparently an IT Director. information Technology at microsoft :/
23:41 < Jonimus> BrandonW, the II module and the plus module look basically the same, so I'd say if you have the E module you have them all
23:42 < BrandonW> I was so happy to find a 92 Plus module.
23:42 < BrandonW> Those are rare, too.
23:42 < Jonimus> heh nice
23:43 < BrandonW> I'm not a datamath psycho, I don't need to have the non-ViewScreen and ViewScreen versions of every model and in every color.
23:43 < BrandonW> I'm content with just the 92 II module.
23:43 < BrandonW> I just care from a development standpoint, the ability to test everything.
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23:43 <@chronomex> mhm
23:44 < Jonimus> BrandonW, well then you'd need an E module, I hate to say it but it is clearly different from the II module
23:44 < BrandonW> LIAR
23:44 < BrandonW> It's not clearly that different.
23:44 < _Auron|G1> mew mew
23:44 < BrandonW> There's no reason to believe they're any different from code.
23:44 < Jonimus> True
23:45 < Jonimus> though wouldn't they have differen't OS versions?
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23:45 < BrandonW> No, I don't think so.
23:45 <@Andy_J> 19:39:55 <+JoeYoung> my SOB friend got a beta copy of Win7, fully featured, for his birthday
23:45 <@Andy_J> uh, anyone was able to download it for free for months?
23:46 <@Andy_J> I don't see where the "SOB" fits in.
23:46 < BrandonW> I mean, they might of course, but that's not a major concern.
23:46 * Andy_J is actually running the RC right now.
23:46 < BrandonW> This doesn't look like bot maintenance to me.
23:46 <+JoeYoung> the evaluation copy, yes
23:46 <@Andy_J> If it's anything but, then it isn't a beta.
23:46 < Jonimus> hmm they both appear to have the same ram chips so maybe there jsut differen't PCB revisions
23:46 <+JoeYoung> let me rephrase
23:47 <@chronomex> BrandonW: ... it is a dead LCD, good thinking
23:47 < BrandonW> There's no reason to believe the ROM in a 92 II module can't function just the same in the 92 E module.
23:47 < BrandonW> I'll buy it!: )
23:47 <@chronomex> orly
23:47 <@chronomex> how much?
23:47 < BrandonW> You tell me.
23:47 <@chronomex> $220
23:47 < BrandonW> :(
23:47 <@chronomex> I'm open to haggling
23:47 < Jonimus> BrandonW, have you remade your remote calc thing yet?
23:47 < BrandonW> Not yet.
23:47 <+JoeYoung> he has the copy that will almost perfectly resemble the official version that can be bought or pre-installed on new computers
23:47 < BrandonW> I'm going to have to be smarter about it.
23:48 < BrandonW> And try and support the direct USB cable.
23:48 <+JoeYoung> the full version including full versions Office and all the other tools.
23:48 < Jonimus> ahh ok, but I thought libticables didn't support remote control from directusb yet?
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23:48 <@chronomex> BrandonW: is there hope to fix it?
23:48 < Jonimus> JoeYoung, then it isn't a beta
23:48 <+JoeYoung> :/
23:49 < Jonimus> It might be a RTM version
23:49 < BrandonW> I've been told on numerous occasions that it supports direct USB...it's a low-level send/receive library, we implement the remote control packet ourselves.
23:49 <+JoeYoung> Jonimus: I wasn't sure WHAT too call it.
23:49 < Jonimus> "Release to Manufacture"
23:49 <+JoeYoung> The tragedy? He is almost completely computer illiterate.
23:50 < BrandonW> chronomex, I would almost certainly say so. I'm not sure I'm capable of doing it, but surely someone can.
23:50 <@chronomex> ah, okay
23:50 <+JoeYoung> :(
23:50 < BrandonW> I wouldn't pay much at all for it, considering I'd have to sacrifice ANOTHER Voyage 200 just to get it working, if it can be done.
23:50 <@chronomex> it would probably require buying a new v200, yes?
23:50 <@chronomex> o
23:50 <@chronomex> right
23:50 <@chronomex> then I'll keep it kicking around to impress girls with
23:51 < BrandonW> I do have E-J's Voyage 200, its LCD might actually work.
23:51 <+JoeYoung> He's the kind of kid whose parents have sheltered him from the internet for all the 17 years since his birth.
23:51 <@chronomex> I sort of like having Kirk's calculator :)
23:51 <@Andy_J> yeah if it'd be any beta version it would definitely be timebombed
23:51 <@Andy_J> *all* beta software at microsoft is
23:51 <+JoeYoung> >_>
23:52 < BrandonW> I've never even taken apart a Voyage 200, I don't know how tightly integrated the LCD is.
23:52 <+JoeYoung> He's firwalled from like 98% of the internet, including stuff like Youtube and Yahoo!
23:52 < BrandonW> I mean, who knows, your problem could be a resistor on the other side of the board preventing communication or something. There's no GUARANTEE it can be fixed.
23:52 <@chronomex> BrandonW: LCD is on the mainboard
23:52 <+JoeYoung> He has one email address provided from his dad, which I bet is monitered too :/
23:53 <@chronomex> glued down, so it'd be a pain
23:53 <@chronomex> the construction is similar to other 68k series calcs
23:53 <@chronomex> JoeYoung: how old is this person?
23:54 <+JoeYoung> my age, like 17-18
23:54 <@chronomex> wut
23:54 < BrandonW> I don't think I've ever taken apart a 68k calculator.
23:54 <@Andy_J> I'd totally do that to any kids I'd have
23:54 <@chronomex> oh
23:54 < BrandonW> No no, I did take apart my teacher's 92 once.
23:54 < BrandonW> Sheltering your kids doesn't work.
23:55 < BrandonW> Expose them early and educate.
23:55 <@Andy_J> it does to an extent
23:55 < BrandonW> They're going to have to deal with it at some point.
23:55 < BrandonW> We all have.
23:55 <+JoeYoung> Totally super-christian family, and stuff. I can kind of see the point, but I don't think it's the best idea.
23:55 <@Andy_J> the thing is they wouldn't even notice ;)
23:55 <@Andy_J> I guess I wouldn't filter so much as log
23:55 <+JoeYoung> Andy_J: till what? 10, 12, 14, 16?
23:55 <@Andy_J> break the rules and the shit hits the fan
23:56 < BrandonW> It may have worked a long time ago, but the world's a different place.
23:56 < BrandonW> These types of things are unavoidable.
23:56 <+JoeYoung> :/
23:57 <+JoeYoung> I learned about it gradually, starting at 14ish, probably. That was about the time I lost interest in Runescape.
23:58 < BrandonW> !t Welcome to #TCPA | Design a banner for picturesofducks.org. Win 5 dollars! | All keys factored! | http://tinyurl.com/MVinWSJ
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23:58 <+JoeYoung> My dad was contantly, "wtf no internet 4 u"
23:58 <+JoeYoung> woo
23:58 < BrandonW> I was hardcore on the internet as soon as the modem came in.
23:58 < BrandonW> Which may not have been smartest thing to do.
23:59 < BrandonW> been the*
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