--- Log opened Sat Sep 12 00:00:41 2009 --- Day changed Sat Sep 12 2009 00:00 <+Netham45> wait 00:00 <+Netham45> oh 00:00 <+Netham45> nevermind 00:02 < doc_who> what law school is MV at? 00:02 < doc_who> Harvard? 00:03 <+Netham45> no idea, I bet he can answer that, though. :P 00:05 < doc_who> *Michael_V*!*@* 00:05 < doc_who> oop 00:05 <+Netham45> lol 00:06 <+Michael_V> ASU 00:06 < doc_who> arizona state? 00:06 <+Michael_V> yes 00:06 < doc_who> is that a good law school? 00:06 <+Michael_V> yes, plenty decent 00:06 <+Michael_V> I'm staying in Arizona anyway 00:07 < jr19> all i know about ASU is that supposedly the girls are some of the hottest 00:07 <+Michael_V> and it is fantastic for that 00:07 <+Michael_V> try taking some of the advanced math classes 00:07 <+Michael_V> you will quickly change opinion 00:07 <@chronomex> it's too hot :( seattle is supposed to stay _below_ 80 in september 00:07 <+Michael_V> differential equations was the last math class that had hot girls 00:08 < jr19> heh 00:08 <+Michael_V> above that, they're all gone 00:08 < jr19> i'm sure they're around campus though 00:08 < jr19> either way 00:08 <@chronomex> no girls, or ugly girls? 00:08 <+Michael_V> economics classes were better 00:08 <+Michael_V> but still in the honors advanced ones, not good 00:08 <+Michael_V> chronomex: almost none, and certainly ugly 00:08 <+Michael_V> or at least not attractive 00:09 <@chronomex> aye, I know the type 00:09 < millinao> the fuck, is it possible for youtube distortion to change the pitch of a video? 00:09 <+Michael_V> sure they're there, but who wants to go to a marketing or psychology class to find them? 00:09 <+Michael_V> *shudder* 00:09 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.29.184] has joined #tcpa 00:09 <+Michael_V> (at the classes) 00:09 < millinao> the video I'm watching and the recording are almost a whole tone off 00:09 < Merthsoft> hi 00:10 <+Michael_V> there is this girl who sits in the row in front of me in contracts... 00:10 <+Michael_V> she has a macbook, *but* she uses openoffice 00:11 <+Michael_V> I find that strangely attractive 00:11 <+Michael_V> I'm not joking 00:11 <+Michael_V> I think I need mental help 00:11 < millinao> you do 00:11 <+Michael_V> she's the only one I've seen using openoffice (besides me) 00:11 < i_c-Y> thats because openoffice is pretty bad. 00:12 <+Michael_V> more stable than word 00:12 <+Michael_V> faster on long documents 00:12 < i_c-Y> plus dont mac users normally use neooffice or something? 00:12 <+Michael_V> there is microsoft office for mac 00:12 < i_c-Y> and its excel replacement sucks ass. 00:12 < i_c-Y> yes there is, but those who would use open office. 00:12 <+Michael_V> well you may have a point with excel 00:12 <+Michael_V> I don't really use openoffice.org spreadsheet much 00:12 < sir_lewk> hello #tcpa people 00:12 < sir_lewk> what is the opposite of fread? 00:12 < sir_lewk> I'm drunk >_> 00:12 <+Netham45> daerf. 00:12 <+Michael_V> fwrite? 00:13 < i_c-Y> fwrite? 00:13 < sir_lewk> oh yeah 00:13 < sir_lewk> lol 00:13 <+Michael_V> you better not drink and derive 00:13 < sir_lewk> :P 00:15 < jr19> this chinese tastes so amazing. 00:16 <@_Auron_> heh 00:16 <@_Auron_> need to vacuum, brb 00:16 -!- Michael_V [michael@ip68-109-186-79.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [] 00:16 < jr19> and i'm not even high 00:19 < _Digital> I wish I could force new writes to the end of a partition and work backwards instead of the other way around 00:19 < sir_lewk> you know what's odd? you never see chinese food with cheese 00:22 -!- incubus [incubus__@98.194.19.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23 < millinao> maybe because chinese didn't use cheese 00:24 < sir_lewk> weak 00:24 < sir_lewk> all great cultures made and ate cheese 00:24 < millinao> hey, we don't eat soy barely 00:24 < millinao> or tofu 00:24 < millinao> or octopus 00:24 < millinao> all delicious 00:26 < sir_lewk> hey 00:26 < sir_lewk> should I end a binary file withh a newline? 00:27 < sir_lewk> no, that'd be silly 00:27 < millinao> wut, why would you 00:27 < sir_lewk> I nuh-know 00:27 <@chronomex> cos he's drunk 00:27 < sir_lewk> no you are 00:28 <@chronomex> sadly not 00:31 < sir_lewk> oh ell 00:34 < jr19> wat 00:40 -!- Randomist [~MicroVamp@216.117.121.123] has joined #tcpa 00:40 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION: Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage. 00:43 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h175.11.96.216.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 00:48 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h132.150.16.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa 00:48 < efneTI92> [DSP_Lord] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about. 00:59 -!- Michael_V [michael@ip68-109-186-79.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #tcpa 01:00 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Michael_V] by SnowCrash 01:00 -!- j-b-r [~j-b-r@ip98-169-89-44.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #tcpa 01:04 * Jonimus is finnaly finding a reason to learn Python :) 01:04 < Jonimus> Yay pyrobot :) 01:05 < Jonimus> I refuse to use Java just to interface a serial port, I'll use python :) 01:12 * _Digital is installing a GUI or two just because 01:12 < j-b-r> GUIs are nice sometimes, but minimal is always good 01:13 < j-b-r> Maybe the perfect balance is to have a fully featured GUI, a barebones GUI like ratpoison or evilwm, and then just some 1337 screen skillz 01:13 < _Digital> I've been wanting to try out LXDE 01:14 < _Digital> and I'm partial to XFCE 01:14 < _Digital> hardware accelerated 2D terminal windows 01:14 < _Digital> yum 01:15 -!- Randomist [~MicroVamp@216.117.121.123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15 < j-b-r> I liked XFCE, especially as a beginner 01:15 < _Digital> what do you use now? 01:15 < j-b-r> Well that completely depends 01:15 < _Digital> "fully featured" 01:15 < j-b-r> Sometimes I even use windows 01:15 -!- Michael_V [michael@ip68-109-186-79.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [] 01:16 < _Digital> by choice or need 01:16 < j-b-r> Er, both I guess 01:16 < j-b-r> I could obviously get by without it 01:16 < j-b-r> Now that school has started up again I am using linux more 01:16 < j-b-r> and I am more on the gnome side of things than the kde side 01:17 < _Digital> why do you use a full DE? 01:17 < j-b-r> Sometimes it is rather convienient to have a "modern traditional" D 01:18 < j-b-r> DE 01:18 < j-b-r> I mean, for coding etc., it makes sense to have a very lean interface 01:18 < j-b-r> Just the things you need, all together 01:19 < j-b-r> But for other "just mucking around" purposes, it's comfortable and easy 01:19 < _Digital> I get that 01:19 < j-b-r> I mean, I'm not particularly 1337 h4xor 01:20 < _Digital> I'm not even a haxor 01:20 < j-b-r> Perhaps if I were I would be more comfortable with using evilwm all the time, like my friend does 01:20 < j-b-r> And I wouldn't ever use windows "just because" 01:21 -!- Randomist [~MicroVamp@216.117.121.123] has joined #tcpa 01:21 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION: Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage. 01:21 < j-b-r> But as I stand, I do what I can out of habit (and maybe sometimes I do things because I want to) 01:21 < j-b-r> Although there is one thing that windows seems to be able to do much better than linux: Video playback 01:22 -!- Randomist [~MicroVamp@216.117.121.123] has quit [Client Quit] 01:22 -!- millinao [~millinao@c-24-22-91-155.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Leaving] 01:23 < j-b-r> I watch a lot of animu on my computer, and that means high bitrates (~5000kbps), high resolutions (1080p), and annoyingly advanced container/subtitle features 01:23 -!- Rand[USB] [~MicroVamp@216.117.121.123] has joined #tcpa 01:23 < _Digital> what processor do you have? 01:23 < _Digital> and video card 01:23 < j-b-r> core2duo, and no CUDA card 01:23 < j-b-r> but I use coreavc 01:23 < j-b-r> Which is also not avaliable for linux 01:24 < _Digital> if you have a 7300GT or up you get hardware accel h.264 MPE-2 and WMV 01:24 < j-b-r> I could play that video fine on this machine with mplayer, admittably 01:24 < sir_lewk> hey guys 01:24 < j-b-r> Ah, but actually I don't 01:24 < Rand[USB]> Hello. 01:24 < _Digital> and you C2D is how fast? 01:24 < sir_lewk> figured I'd ask this here seeing as people around here apparently know a bit about cryptography: 01:24 < j-b-r> 2.0 ghz 01:24 < sir_lewk> how does one find large prime numbers? 01:25 < j-b-r> Look under a rock? 01:25 < _Digital> j-b-r, and over clocking is out of teh question? 01:25 < sir_lewk> har har 01:25 < j-b-r> Laptop 01:25 < j-b-r> So sort of 01:25 < _Digital> sir_lewk, have your tried google? 01:25 < _Digital> ah 01:25 < j-b-r> But THat isn't really the issue 01:25 < _Digital> makes sense then 01:25 < sir_lewk> I mean programmably 01:25 < j-b-r> ANd google is what i suggest as well 01:25 < j-b-r> google api 01:25 < _Digital> hi Rand[USB] 01:25 < BrandonW> haha to the guy earlier trying to convert units on the Nspire CAS. 01:26 < BrandonW> Something reasonable on an Nspire-series calculator? No. 01:26 < j-b-r> but the real issue for me is the advanced video features 01:26 < _Digital> such as? 01:26 < j-b-r> split chapters and such 01:26 < j-b-r> mplayer is just barely begginning to have support for it 01:26 < j-b-r> and not in the releases or anything 01:26 < _Digital> and you've already tried mplayer and vlc? 01:26 < j-b-r> vlc is crap for this 01:26 < j-b-r> Can't even do the subtitles right 01:27 < j-b-r> I have watched on linux before 01:27 < _Digital> but then again 2GHz isn't strong enough for 1080p if it is WMV or H.264 01:27 < _Auron|G1> I remember when people used to praise vlc 01:27 < j-b-r> yeah it is 01:27 < _Auron|G1> I never liked it 01:27 < j-b-r> my machine plays 1080p fine with coreavc 01:27 < j-b-r> WOuld probably be choppy with ffdshow 01:27 < _Digital> _Auron|G1, I still think it's fine for a player of misc formats on teh Mac end 01:27 < j-b-r> VLC is fine for general use 01:28 < _Auron|G1> _Digital: I can play 1080p just fine on 2.1ghz 01:28 < j-b-r> but animu people are very technical when it comes to video 01:28 < Merthsoft> _Auron|G1: I liked it before I knew of MPC and k-lite 01:28 < _Auron|G1> though I have a tri core, dunno if that makes a difference 01:28 < Rand[USB]> SMPlayer is nice. 01:28 < _Auron|G1> Merthsoft: I used winamp before I knew of mpc. lol :D 01:28 < j-b-r> Yeah, and if I were going to watch on linux I would use smplayer 01:29 < _Auron|G1> Merth: try the tilemapper yet? 01:29 < Merthsoft> i forget how to send stuff to my phone 01:29 < _Digital> _Auron|G1, what codecs? 01:29 < Merthsoft> i wish i could just bluetooth drag and drop 01:29 < _Auron|G1> adb install file.apk 01:29 < _Auron|G1> _Digital: usually h.264 01:29 < j-b-r> I went from WMP to VLC to MPC, and I never looked back 01:30 < j-b-r> I laugh at people using anything other than MPC or Mplayer now, and the only reason I don't laugh at mplayer people is because I assume they have no choice 01:30 < _Auron|G1> Merthsoft: or use astro or the shell on device with the apk on sd card to install 01:30 < Merthsoft> command line is easier any3ays 01:31 < Merthsoft> it's pretty nice 01:31 < Merthsoft> it crash 01:31 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h132.150.16.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 01:31 < _Auron|G1> what crashed? 01:31 < sir_lewk> I greatly prefer mplayer to things like vlc 01:31 < Merthsoft> the tile mapper 01:31 < j-b-r> well good 01:31 < Merthsoft> when i go way down 01:31 < j-b-r> because it's better 01:31 < sir_lewk> if I'm going to be watching a 2 hour movie, I can spare a few seconds on the command line :) 01:31 < _Auron|G1> did you go far to the right or bottom? if so, it's because I haven't put in proper edge detection yet 01:31 < _Auron|G1> yeah 01:31 < Rand[USB]> I like MPlayer because it has a nice browser plug-in, too. 01:32 < _Auron|G1> otherwise what do you think of the speed? 01:32 < Merthsoft> pretty good 01:32 < _Digital> on PPC VLC > Mplayer for speed 01:32 < _Auron|G1> would be about 10FPS if I rendered each tile 01:32 < j-b-r> frankly, I am surprised mplayer doesn't have better support for mkv splitting 01:32 < j-b-r> Since so many anime people are also unix people 01:32 < _Auron|G1> they are? 01:32 < j-b-r> I feel like they should just be writing a media player that suits their needs 01:33 < _Auron|G1> I thought most of them were vista noobs 01:33 < j-b-r> Oh yeah, being a weaboo is a really nerdy thing to be 01:33 < sir_lewk> well, both crowds are usually virgins at least 01:33 < j-b-r> No, I mean people who do stuff needing advanced video 01:33 < j-b-r> not people watching death note on youtube 01:33 < sir_lewk> lol 01:33 < _Auron|G1> heh 01:34 < sir_lewk> like subbing or some crap? I imagine that kind of stuff is easier on macs anyways 01:34 < j-b-r> split chapters... 01:34 < j-b-r> That is what I am really complaining about 01:34 < j-b-r> and maybe a few little customization tweaks 01:35 < j-b-r> And frankly better tools for working with the video files themselves, although most of what they use is already opensource 01:35 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h216.212.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa 01:35 < j-b-r> So I think most of it is OK on linuz 01:35 < _Digital> mencoder pwns 01:35 < j-b-r> well, we are talking strictly about h264 mkvs 01:35 < j-b-r> AAC, AC3, or FLAC audio usually 01:36 < j-b-r> Although vorbis sometimes still 01:36 < j-b-r> I don't know if mencoder will do that all well or not... 01:37 < j-b-r> I use ffmpeg when I encode stuff because I have had some problems controlling what mencoder does myself 01:37 -!- likeWOAH [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 01:37 < _Digital> like what? I've built a script around mencoder to fit my needs 01:37 < efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth. 01:38 -!- itsi_c-Y [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 01:38 < j-b-r> I just can't get it to stop rendering the subtitles when my source is an already muxed mkv 01:38 < sir_lewk> I use handbrake when I encode stuff because I'm a noob 01:38 < _Digital> that one I cannot help you with. As for mkv, there is not direct encoding support in mencoder from what I see 01:38 < _Digital> I could be wrong though 01:38 * Jonimus heads back to the python tutorial, I clearly don't remember enough 01:39 < j-b-r> that's using mencoder as the decoder though in my case 01:40 < j-b-r> encoding pipeline usually includes x264, FAAC, and mp4box 01:40 < j-b-r> because I am making softsubbed mp4s for my ipod touch 01:40 < j-b-r> oh, and I guess a hex editor so the softsubs show up 01:41 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42 -!- likeWOAH [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42 < _Digital> if you use the expand filter you can turn subtitle rendering off. You already tried that? 01:43 -!- itsi_c-Y is now known as i_c-Y 01:43 < _Digital> havign a bit of network issues there i_c-Y? 01:43 < i_c-Y> i updated virtualbox 01:43 < i_c-Y> which resets your network adapter. 01:44 < sir_lewk> weak 01:45 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 01:45 -!- shrap [~shrap@cpc1-bolt7-0-0-cust576.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #tcpa 01:45 < shrap> Folks, I got me a question. 01:46 < shrap> Thing is, I've just got a TI84+ SE, turns out that there aren't any x64 drivers for the thing, I'm on Windows 7 RC, and I'm wondering if there's a 3rd party driver or something. 01:46 < shrap> could anyone point me in the direction of one, if there is? 01:46 -!- GW-Basic [~GW_Basic@ip70-176-241-203.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 01:48 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 287 seconds] 01:48 < j-b-r> TiLP? 01:49 < j-b-r> That's the only think I know of 01:49 < shrap> Not happening, I tried it. 01:49 < j-b-r> virtual machine? 01:49 < j-b-r> lol, I'm stumped 01:49 < shrap> It'd still be going through the 64-bit OS. 01:49 < sir_lewk> I think it should work in a VT 01:49 < shrap> Alright, cheers, I'll go grab VMWare. :p 01:49 < sir_lewk> if the setup was done properly 01:50 < sir_lewk> should work methinks 01:50 < shrap> Thanks a ton. 01:50 < sir_lewk> wait, tilp2 should work, maybe not in win7 though 01:50 < sir_lewk> I use it in linux (64-bit) 01:50 < shrap> While I'm here, could anyone point me to a Z80 ASM tutorial? 01:50 < j-b-r> learn asm in 28 days 01:50 < shrap> Been having a little trouble finding a decent one with google. 01:50 < j-b-r> That is the best one IIRC 01:51 < j-b-r> search for 28 days ASM 01:51 < shrap> Okey doke. 01:51 < BrandonW> Learn TI-83 Plus Assembly in 28 Days, that is. 01:51 < sir_lewk> yeah, that's what I've heard too 01:51 < j-b-r> yeah, that 01:51 < shrap> Thanks a load, guys. 01:51 < sir_lewk> anytime 01:51 < j-b-r> I feel so helpful now 01:52 < shrap> So, TiLP on an x86 VM? 01:53 -!- Barrett_ [~Barrett@75-165-227-28.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:53 < sir_lewk> that would be my guess 01:54 < sir_lewk> well, if it's not working in win7 I'd guess it's because it's win7, not because it's 64bits 01:54 < shrap> Nah, the complaint is about driver signing. 01:54 < sir_lewk> ah 01:54 < sir_lewk> doesn't win7 have that "windows xp mode" thing? maybe try that if possible 01:55 < shrap> It'd still need a signed driver. 01:55 < sir_lewk> <== not really a windows guy, just guessing here 01:55 < Tari> it's a problem with 64 bit anything-post-vista 01:55 < Tari> and yes, it should work in xp mode, since that's just a VM 01:55 < shrap> Ah,. 01:55 < shrap> Right, that'll save my bandwidth an iso. 01:57 -!- JoeYoung [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 01:57 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v JoeYoung] by SnowCrash 01:57 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h216.212.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 01:57 -!- JoeYoung [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has left #tcpa [] 01:57 -!- JoeYoung [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 01:58 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v JoeYoung] by efneTI86 01:59 < sir_lewk> anyone know what kind of period mersenne's twist has? 01:59 < shrap> PEriod? 02:00 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h135.66.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa 02:00 < shrap> Oh right. 02:00 < shrap> It's a mersenne prime, but I don't think that answers your question. 02:01 < shrap> Back later guys, I'll tell you if this's worked or not. 02:01 -!- shrap [~shrap@cpc1-bolt7-0-0-cust576.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02 < sir_lewk> yeah, wondering how big it generally is 02:03 -!- Randomist [~Vampire@216.117.123.20] has joined #tcpa 02:03 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION: Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage. 02:03 < Randomist> Yay, I can access computers here on this VLAN across the wireless. 02:05 < Rand[USB]> They had that disabled last year. 02:11 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.166.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 369 seconds] 02:12 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.166.26] has joined #tcpa 02:14 <+JoeYoung> also Obama is going to turn America into a socilist welfare state 02:15 <+JoeYoung> :/ 02:15 <+JoeYoung> I need to stop hanging out in social channels -_- 02:19 < i_c-Y> sir_lewk: theres more than one mersenne twister - the one most people talk about is MT19937 which has a period of 2^19937-1 02:20 < |Omega|> Socialism is awesome. 02:22 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h135.66.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 02:26 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h1.108.88.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa 02:26 -!- shrap [~shrap@cpc1-bolt7-0-0-cust576.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #tcpa 02:27 < shrap> Back again folks, XP Mode installed, the problem now lies with TiLP, which complains of missing libticables2-2.dll. 02:28 < _Digital> I cannot figure out hte logic difference betwen using if [ test ] and if [[ test ]] 02:28 < _Digital> can anyone lend insight? 02:28 < _Digital> this is bash btw 02:29 < shrap> Not a clue, sorry. :p 02:31 < Tari> [[ ]] is slightly slower 02:31 < Tari> [ is typically symlinked to /bin/test or some such 02:31 < _Digital> but the logic of the test is treated differently 02:32 < _Digital> it treats string testing and expression testing differently 02:32 < _Digital> but I don't understand what is different 02:36 < Jonimus> sharp try reinstalling it 02:36 < shrap> I've got it, Wikidocs had a thread saying that installing TiEmu fixes it, and it indeed does. 02:49 < Jonimus> sharp, it seems the new version of libticalbles broke stuff but yeah that should fix it 02:49 -!- Jonimus [~TheStorm@88.252.226.166.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04 -!- shrap [~shrap@cpc1-bolt7-0-0-cust576.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:05 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h1.108.88.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 03:08 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h193.104.88.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa 03:28 -!- Goplat [~goplat@76-191-156-24.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #tcpa 03:28 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Goplat] by efneTI80 03:41 < TD-Linux> _Digital: [] is /bin/test, [[]] is C-style test 03:43 < mokomull> and don't forget the space after the opening [[ 03:46 < Merthsoft> lest the world end 03:46 * chronomex peeks in 03:47 < bsparks> Merthsoft, what's your gamertag? 03:47 < Merthsoft> my what now? 03:47 < bsparks> <_< you have a 360, right? 03:47 < Merthsoft> yes 03:47 < bsparks> what's your gamertag 03:47 < Merthsoft> yes 03:47 < Merthsoft> my what now? 03:47 < DrDnar> Wow, the 73 has length conversions. 03:47 < bsparks> .. 03:48 < Merthsoft> my little name thing? 03:48 < DrDnar> So the conversions and mixed number support is the only thing new in the 73? 03:48 < bsparks> Merthsoft, yeeessss 03:48 < Merthsoft> <-- 03:48 < bsparks> ah, k 03:48 < bsparks> I'll have to remember to add you 03:50 -!- Barrett [~Barrett@75-165-230-227.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #tcpa 03:55 -!- JoeYoung [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:55 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 03:58 < BrandonW> Pretty much, DrDnar. 03:58 < DrDnar> And a little more free RAM. 03:58 < DrDnar> So how's the last key comming? 03:58 < DrDnar> coming 04:00 < BrandonW> And 12 apps instead of 10. 04:00 < BrandonW> The last key has several stages of processing to go through. 04:01 < BrandonW> The longest one is about to finish any minute. 04:01 < BrandonW> However the guy doing it is going to bed. 04:01 < BrandonW> So we probably won't see it until tomorrow morning. 04:01 < BrandonW> Why he values sleep over this, I don't understand. 04:01 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: no data for 491 seconds] 04:04 < _Digital> you never would BrandonW 04:04 < DrDnar> BrandonW doesn't need sleep. 04:04 < _Digital> TD-Linux, how do those differ 04:04 < TD-Linux> _Digital: man test 04:06 < _Digital> I got that one, but I don't know how that is different from C-style testing since I see the same kind of tests in there 04:06 < _Digital> and then some 04:21 -!- tr1p1ea [~tr1p1ea@121-79-27-214-dsl.ispone.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:25 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.29.184] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 04:27 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h193.104.88.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 04:31 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h96.132.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa 04:37 -!- millinao [~millinao@c-24-22-91-155.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 04:38 -!- efneTI86 [aardrop@nightshade.epfarms.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 600 seconds] 04:40 < bsparks> I have an XBL account now, if anyone wants to add me, tag is "cdigames" 04:46 -!- efneTI86 [aardrop@nightshade.epfarms.org] has joined #tcpa 04:46 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI86] by efneTI89 04:50 -!- Barrett_ [~Barrett@75-165-241-19.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #tcpa 04:51 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h96.132.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 04:53 -!- Barrett [~Barrett@75-165-230-227.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:55 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h145.110.88.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa 04:57 < millinao> so, nintendo is now using 12 year olds in their commericals 04:57 < millinao> i guess they've given up on every other demographic 04:57 < BrandonW> There was a time when they didn't? 04:58 < millinao> i'd like to believe so 04:58 < BrandonW> Why? 04:58 < BrandonW> It's no surprise at all. 04:58 < BrandonW> What do you expect to see, 23 year olds? 04:59 < BrandonW> Or 5 year olds? 04:59 < millinao> well, they didn't before explicitly use children in their adversitements 04:59 < BrandonW> Of course they did. 04:59 < BrandonW> How old are you? 04:59 < millinao> advertisements* 04:59 < millinao> fuck, I'm not thinking of NES/SNES era 04:59 < BrandonW> I remember getting an NES Christmas morning when I was 5 years old. 04:59 < BrandonW> 12 year olds play the Wii, there are commercials all over the place of it. 05:03 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h145.110.88.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 05:04 <@chronomex> millinao: just now? when I was in elementary school a classmate of mine was in a nintendo commercial 05:04 < millinao> yeah, as usual i'm a twat and I'm only thinking of gamecube and up 05:05 < BrandonW> 12 year olds are depicted playing every system from the NES to the Wii. 05:05 < BrandonW> There's nothing at all unusual about it. 05:05 < BrandonW> Just like 5 year olds in cereal and grape jelly commercials. 05:06 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h38.65.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa 05:09 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 05:13 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:22 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 05:24 -!- Merth [~merthsoft@nykida.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:27 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:27 -!- Nikky [~nikky@nykida.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:27 -!- jr19 [~nag@inserthere.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:27 -!- V200 [~calcg@v200.calcg.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:27 -!- V200 [~calcg@v200.calcg.org] has joined #tcpa 05:27 -!- Topic for #tcpa: Welcome to #TCPA | Design a banner for picturesofducks.org. 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I use ~1.1 GB for a full install 06:35 < Rand[USB]> On a Flash drive? 06:36 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 06:36 < sir_lewk> seeing as we are inches away from having all the keys? 06:36 < sir_lewk> wait, people use Reiser4? 06:36 < Rand[USB]> Journaled anything would be slow as a motherfucker with USB-anything on most of these machines. 06:36 < _Digital> Rand[USB], why not try it wil cryptcompress? 06:36 < Rand[USB]> Most of these machines don't even have USB 2.0. 06:37 < sir_lewk> I thought that FS was only partially completed and the comunity in disarray when reiser was arrested 06:37 < _Digital> what the hell are you using? 06:37 < sir_lewk> I don't own flashdrives 06:37 < Rand[USB]> Our dorm machines are hand-me-downs. :P 06:38 < sir_lewk> you don't have your own computer there? 06:38 < Rand[USB]> I'm using this machine to build a portable Linux I can be sure works on anything. 06:39 < sir_lewk> ah 06:43 < sir_lewk> aaaah, found a surviving bottle of seltzer :D 06:44 < sir_lewk> its cool bubbles gently carress my tongue as I pour it down my eager throat... 06:45 < Rand[USB]> That's what she said. 06:48 < _Digital> Rand[USB], I forgot, that includes 3 kernel source trees as well 06:48 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 06:49 * sir_lewk returns from his carbonic-acid induced euphoria 06:49 < sir_lewk> surely seltzer is the drug of gods 06:49 < _Digital> you are a nut, I cannot stand carbonated water with no flavor(s) 06:49 < Rand[USB]> Now, I've gotten it down to 1.4G. 06:50 < _Digital> on what ext3? 06:50 < Rand[USB]> Ext2. 06:50 < _Digital> are you using 4K clusters? 06:50 < sir_lewk> wait, you're picking a filesystem for size? 06:50 < Rand[USB]> Who, me? 06:50 < _Digital> he can get better performance depending on what is on there 06:51 < sir_lewk> ya you 06:51 < Rand[USB]> No, I used Ext2 because I installed on a USB Flash device on machines with no USB 2.0. 06:51 < _Digital> if it's an OS install I would be willing to be that teh majority of your files re sub-1K or 2K 06:52 < sir_lewk> shit, now I'm out of seltzer again 06:52 < sir_lewk> what am I going to do??!?!?! D: 06:52 < Rand[USB]> Carbonated bevarage. 06:53 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:54 < sir_lewk> this stuff is worst than any heroin withdrawl 06:54 < sir_lewk> it taps into the human beings innate desire for water, the only way to quench your thirst is to drink more 06:55 < sir_lewk> water withdrawal. think about that. 06:56 < _Digital> get a grip kid 06:56 < Rand[USB]> You're getting poetic about seltzer. 06:57 < sir_lewk> <3 that shit 06:57 < _Digital> new kernel config has this option: ThrustMaster devices support (HID_THRUSTMASTER) 06:57 < _Digital> I don't want to know 06:58 < sir_lewk> xD 06:58 < Rand[USB]> There's a Trance Vibrator in there, too. 06:58 < sir_lewk> ah, it's a "joystick" 06:58 < sir_lewk> sick 06:59 < Rand[USB]> Does burning in headphones work? 06:59 < sir_lewk> huh? 06:59 < millinao> soda water tastes like aspirin 07:00 < sir_lewk> heritic! 07:00 < sir_lewk> Rand[USB]: I don't think you should need to "burn in" headphones, they should work just fine as is 07:01 -!- glk [glk@adsl-71-153-171-97.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has quit [http://grahamkendall.net/ my url] 07:01 < Rand[USB]> I got the noise-cancelling ones that cover the whole ear (they're comfy). The drivers are kind of large, so I have to turn my laptop all the way on max. 07:02 < _Digital> Rand[USB], the size of the driver is not the cause of needing to turn the volume up all of the way. It's the mismatch of impedance 07:03 < _Digital> I have circum-aural headphones too 07:03 < _Digital> I have my volumes no higher than teh 2nd notch from my laptop 07:03 < _Digital> and now I leave... 07:04 < Rand[USB]> Well, I think I've got the space down as low as I can get. Time to go back to my machine, now. :P 07:05 < sir_lewk> I got a pair of sennhiesers a few months ago, <3 those things 07:05 -!- Rand[USB] [~MicroVamp@216.117.122.198] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:09 < sir_lewk> so what are the rest of you fine gents up to this evening? 07:10 < BrandonW> Preparing my PC to verify the last signing key. 07:10 < sir_lewk> superb :D 07:10 < Randomist> Boo. 07:10 < sir_lewk> someone should get working on that ticalc article :) 07:11 < BrandonW> chronomex has it written. 07:11 < sir_lewk> slick 07:11 * Randomist wants a bike. 07:11 * sir_lewk is getting his dads old bike rebuilt 07:12 -!- millinao [~millinao@c-24-22-91-155.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:12 < BrandonW> In a matter of hours we'll have the final key. 07:12 < BrandonW> It quite possibly could already be done. 07:12 < BrandonW> And sitting in a window on that guy's PC. 07:12 < BrandonW> While he sleeps. 07:12 < sir_lewk> *queue evil laughter* 07:16 < BrandonW> Somebody explain to me how 09 04 04 6F 1B 80 translates to 5/12/1999. 07:17 -!- DrDnar [~DrDnar@c-24-35-66-83.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 380 seconds] 07:17 < sir_lewk> do we know for certain that it does? 07:17 < BrandonW> Yes. 07:18 < BrandonW> Somehow. 07:18 < sir_lewk> alright 07:20 < sir_lewk> hmm, this calls for scrap paper 07:20 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 07:20 < BrandonW> It's possible that there's a time component to it. 07:20 < BrandonW> And I would have no idea what the time is. 07:21 < BrandonW> But 5/12/1999 is in it somehow. 07:21 < BrandonW> Of this I am sure. 07:21 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 380 seconds] 07:24 < Randomist> It amuses me how I can take clothes out of the dryer many hours ago, and when I come to fold them, they're still hot. 07:25 < sir_lewk> hmm, that is a fantastically large number, taken all together 07:26 < sir_lewk> maybe it's seconds since 322,281.358 years ago :D 07:26 < sir_lewk> some sort of bizzaro "ti-epoc" time 07:26 < BrandonW> There is a bizarro TI epoch time. 07:26 < BrandonW> I think it's 1/1/1997. 07:26 < sir_lewk> ah, right 07:27 < sir_lewk> my 89 does that when it resets 07:27 -!- DarkLord_ [~DarkLord@96-42-27-74.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #tcpa [] 07:27 < BrandonW> Still doesn't help with this number. :( 07:27 < BrandonW> I can't figure it out. 07:28 < sir_lewk> yeah, could this number just be the result of an unknown hash function? 07:29 < BrandonW> Some of TI's CBL/CBR applications are laughably stupid, they're obviously BASIC programs wrapped inside an application. You can even hit ON to ERR:BREAK them. 07:29 < BrandonW> They don't even disable the run indicator. 07:29 < sir_lewk> lol 07:30 < BrandonW> I honestly did laugh out loud the first time I ran it. 07:30 -!- ryantmer [~Ryan@rntmp-250-11.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32 < sir_lewk> by 5/12/1999, you do mean MM/DD/YYYY right? 07:39 -!- V200 [~calcg@v200.calcg.org] has joined #tcpa 07:39 -!- Topic for #tcpa: Welcome to #TCPA | Design a banner for picturesofducks.org. Win 5 dollars! | Thanks for factoring! | http://tinyurl.com/MVinWSJ 07:39 -!- Topic set by efneTI86 [aardrop@nightshade.epfarms.org] [Wed Sep 9 21:47:45 2009] 07:39 [Users #tcpa] 07:39 [@_Auron_ ] [@efneTI89 ] [ aksnowman] [ efneTI92] [ mokomull ] [ Spengo ] 07:39 [@Andy_J ] [@etaonrish] [ asmand ] [ filler ] [ Mwyann ] [ Tari ] 07:39 [@chronomex] [@Remius ] [ blankie ] [ Genolo ] [ nicolas_ ] [ TD-Linux] 07:39 [@E-J ] [@SnowCrash] [ BrandonW ] [ Grue` ] [ Perryman ] [ tev ] 07:39 [@efneTI80 ] [+\\BAF\IRC] [ bsparks ] [ i_c-Y ] [ Randomist] [ Tribal ] 07:39 [@efneTI81 ] [+Netham45 ] [ dankidd ] [ j-b-r ] [ Rivereye ] [ Tyler2 ] 07:39 [@efneTI85 ] [ _Auron|G1] [ doc_who ] [ leofox ] [ seidior ] [ V200 ] 07:39 [@efneTI86 ] [ _Digital ] [ DSP_Lord ] [ Milyardo] [ sir_lewk ] [ |Omega| ] 07:39 -!- Irssi: #tcpa: Total of 48 nicks [12 ops, 0 halfops, 2 voices, 34 normal] 07:39 -!- Channel #tcpa created Fri Mar 2 07:59:29 2001 07:39 -!- Irssi: Join to #tcpa was synced in 9 secs 07:40 < BrandonW> It might be in reverse order. 07:43 < sir_lewk> yeah, I can't figure out anything from this 07:46 -!- Merth [~merthsoft@nykida.net] has joined #tcpa 07:50 < BrandonW> I think I might've found something. 07:52 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h204.40.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 07:53 -!- Spengo [~Spengo@64.251.245.102] has quit [♥] 07:53 < BrandonW> The last 4 bytes in reverse order has something to do with it. 07:53 < BrandonW> So 80 1B 6F 04 means something. 07:55 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h185.135.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa 07:58 < BrandonW> It's pretty close to the number of seconds since 1/1/1997. 07:58 < BrandonW> So I have no idea what the last 04 09 is. 07:59 < BrandonW> Unless it's some sort of subfield... 07:59 < BrandonW> 0900h, size 4, then the date stamp. 07:59 < BrandonW> That's really bizarre, but whatever. 08:00 < BrandonW> Yeah, that's what it is, somehow. 08:07 < BrandonW> It's not in reverse order in this one certificate dump of mine, I think. 08:08 -!- Randomist [~Vampire@216.117.123.20] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:08 < BrandonW> Crazy. 08:08 < BrandonW> Unless the date stamp really is 2038. 08:08 < BrandonW> Which it could be. 08:08 < BrandonW> But anyway, yeah, that's definitely it. 08:09 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h185.135.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 08:12 < BrandonW> TI's own AppHeader utility doesn't create valid date stamp signatures! 08:12 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h228.82.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa 08:12 < BrandonW> Not that that's really a surprise. 08:12 < BrandonW> I wonder if TI's applications use a valid signature. 08:14 < BrandonW> They certainly appear to. 08:15 < BrandonW> Different every time. 08:16 < BrandonW> For the next 5 hours or so (while we don't have the date stamp key), that could be used to determine whether TI signed an application or not. 08:17 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h228.82.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 08:21 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h5.239.55.139.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa 08:32 < sir_lewk> interesting 08:33 < BrandonW> ... 08:33 < BrandonW> The signature doesn't appear to match in TI's app headers, either. 08:33 < BrandonW> I might be hashing too much, though. 08:35 < BrandonW> Or not.... 08:35 < BrandonW> I'm thoroughly confused. 08:38 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h5.239.55.139.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 08:38 < sir_lewk> what exactly was this date stamp thing used for by TI? 08:39 < sir_lewk> I'm a bit confused by the concept itself 08:41 -!- DSP_Lord [~darksidep@h164.155.16.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa 08:41 < BrandonW> So far I think it's just a crappy way of implementing trial applications. 08:41 < BrandonW> By installing a certificate update with a date stamp of say 5/12/1999, you can't run any trial applications that expired before that date. 08:42 < BrandonW> There are all sorts of field groups in the certificate related to this that I'm clueless about. 08:42 < BrandonW> 0600h, 0800h... 08:42 < BrandonW> And two boot code BCALLs. 08:42 < BrandonW> So therefore we must know. 08:43 < sir_lewk> naturally 08:45 < BrandonW> I just want a valid stamp/signature combination from SOMEWHERE. 08:45 < BrandonW> So I can re-sign the stamp and verify the key. 08:45 < BrandonW> Currently I have no way to verify the key when we get it. 08:45 < BrandonW> That's my goal here. 08:48 < BrandonW> ... 08:48 < BrandonW> That is so stupid. 08:48 < BrandonW> It hashes the field AND the data. 08:48 < BrandonW> AND this stupid subfield thing. 08:48 < BrandonW> So the date stamp field in a header would be: 03h,26h,09h,04h,<4 bytes of data> 08:48 < BrandonW> It should hash either the 4 bytes of data or that PLUS the 09h,04h. 08:48 < BrandonW> But no, it hashes it all. 08:49 < BrandonW> I just keep uncovering more and more layers of stupid. 08:51 < BrandonW> Anyway, now we know how that's signed. 08:51 < BrandonW> And we have a way to test. 08:51 < BrandonW> All I need is the numbers and we're good to go. 08:57 < sir_lewk> awesome 08:59 < BrandonW> I should probably go find something to do until this guy wakes up. 09:00 < sir_lewk> he's eastcoast so it'll probably be a few hours I imagine 09:00 < sir_lewk> then again, so am I >_> 09:00 < BrandonW> You mean west. 09:00 < sir_lewk> oh, maybe I'm wrong then 09:01 < sir_lewk> hmm, yeah I think I'm sleep deprived 09:03 < BrandonW> I think I found his site. 09:03 < BrandonW> http://tylerc.org/temp/DSC00063.JPG The factors could be on one of those monitors right now, kids. 09:03 < sir_lewk> :D 09:04 < BrandonW> I never have taken a good picture of my own setup. 09:04 < BrandonW> And the three 22" widescreens. 09:04 <@E-J> either he have rich parents or good job 09:04 < BrandonW> I say good job. 09:04 <@E-J> or imprisonment for unpaid debts 09:06 < sir_lewk> woot, got play/pause toggling working in my musicplayer :) 09:09 < sir_lewk> ok, stupid question: 09:09 < sir_lewk> if I do `#define A 10` and `#define B 5` 09:09 < sir_lewk> would something like i = AB; get expanded to i=105;? 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This process began in 2002." 14:16 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.29.184] has joined #tcpa 14:34 -!- Barrett [~Barrett@75-165-227-52.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #tcpa 14:35 -!- jr19 [~nag@inserthere.net] has joined #tcpa 14:41 -!- ryantmer [~Ryan@rntmp-250-11.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #tcpa 14:43 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 14:48 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:50 -!- DrDnar [~DrDnar@c-24-35-66-83.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #tcpa 14:52 -!- Ander [~DrDnar@c-24-35-66-83.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #tcpa 14:52 -!- DrDnar [~DrDnar@c-24-35-66-83.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00 -!- Evan [~chatzilla@c-24-126-114-25.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 15:00 < Evan> hello 15:01 < jr19> hi 15:01 < Tari> 'morning Evan 15:02 < Evan> i feel like a fool, I disabled my calcs apps and programs and was going to re enable it but i dont have a io cable to go from 84 to 83 15:06 < Tari> so you used Press-To-Test, and need to disable it? 15:08 < Evan> yeah 15:09 < i_c-Y> can ticonnect do something about it? 15:10 < Evan> doesnt madder if it could because all the computers i can use now are running vista and i just cant get ti connect or tlip to work on any vista computers 15:11 < Tari> blame TI's poor support for that one >.< 15:12 < Evan> it makes me angry how on their site it says it is compatible with vista but then how come i cant get it to work with it and no one else i know can either 15:12 -!- _Auron_ [~DarkAuron@adsl-76-203-204-220.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Infinity repeatedly denies rumours of plotting with zero to bring down the Universe.] 15:12 < Ander> Is it 64-bit? 15:13 < Evan> yeah 15:13 < Ander> That would be the problem. I think it only works with 32-bit Vista. 15:13 < Ander> I don't know for sure. These days I mostly use MSD8X. 15:14 < Tari> yeah, there's no 64-bit driver 15:14 < Evan> yeah from tests i have done i see that it wont work at all with 64 bit and works only once with 32 bit 15:14 < Ander> What about TILP? 15:14 -!- Ander is now known as DrDnar 15:15 < Evan> xp works every time 15:15 < DrDnar> I never could get the direct USB for the 84s to work. I gave up and bought a SilverLink.' 15:16 < Tari> AFAIK, everyone who needs to link from 64-bit vista/7 does it in a VM 15:16 -!- _Auron_ [~DarkAuron@adsl-76-203-204-220.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #tcpa 15:16 < DrDnar> Ooh! Good idea! 15:16 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o _Auron_] by efneTI86 15:16 < Evan> so you could run like xp in a vm inside of vista and connect your calc and it should work? 15:16 <@Andy_J> use the virtual xp mode in win7 <__< 15:17 < Tari> right 15:17 <@_Auron_> is there a right-click menu to run in xp mode? 15:17 < DrDnar> VirtualBox supports connecting any USB device to the virtual machine. 15:17 < Evan> cool 15:18 < DrDnar> This stupid computer has a 64-bit CPU with 32-bit Vista . . 15:18 < Tari> _Auron_, you need to install it in the XP mode VM 15:18 < Evan> i could just use my schools computers, which are running xp and have ti connect 15:19 < DrDnar> You should have patched Pust-to-Test. 15:20 <@_Auron_> Tari: but is there? 15:20 < DrDnar> Heck, now we can just sign a new OS with Push-to-Test disabled. 15:20 < Evan> is it possible to downgrade a ti 84's os ? from v2.40 to like v.2.39 ( there is a 2.39 right? ) 15:20 < Tari> but is there what, _Auron_? 15:20 <@_Auron_> ... 15:20 <@_Auron_> right-click->run in virtual xp mode 15:20 < Tari> I'm confused 15:21 < Tari> oh, no 15:21 <@_Auron_> okay, that's what I was asking. ;P 15:21 < Tari> xp mode is a virtual PC VM 15:21 < DrDnar> IIRC, TI jumped from 2.3 to 2.4. 15:21 < Evan> i wonder if the basic on hp and casios is like ti basic 15:22 < DrDnar> No, it isn't. HP uses a language that's like LISP. 15:22 < Tari> you can boot up the VM and install things, and they show up in your physical system as (Windows XP Mode) 15:22 < Evan> i know that their is hp basic though 15:22 < DrDnar> Far more powerful than BASIC. At least in theory. 15:24 < DrDnar> The HP-50 has 200MHz 32-bit ARM. 15:25 < DrDnar> 512K RAM, 2MB flash, and an SD memory card slot. 15:25 < Evan> yeah 15:26 < Evan> i dont like how most schools make you have a ti 84 or 83 15:26 < DrDnar> The HP-50 is plenty powerful enough to fully emulate a TI-83+. You could have the best of both worlds. 15:27 < DrDnar> I don't know if such an emulator exists. But it's certainly possible. 15:27 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 15:28 < Evan> i wonder if a casio is worth it 15:28 < i_c-Y> No, it isn't. HP uses a language that's like LISP. < HP Basic exists too. 15:28 < DrDnar> Didn't know. 15:28 < DrDnar> Who uses Casio? 15:28 < i_c-Y> only netham45 15:29 < Evan> here is the tech specs on their highest end model http://www.casio.com/products/Calculators_%26_Dictionaries/Graphing/FX-9860GII/content/Technical_Specs/ 15:30 < DrDnar> I can't even find the Casio models on Wikipedia. 15:30 < Evan> casio also has a casio basic or whatever they call it 15:31 < Evan> wolfenstien seems to run nicely on them, better looking then 83/84 and sound i think 15:32 < i_c-Y> we dont like casio here 15:32 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:33 < Evan> whoa they have a color screen one and backlight 15:33 < i_c-Y> DrDnar: http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49/docs/faq/ - section 4.1 15:35 < Evan> but then again it only does 3 colors and the backlight i bet is bad 15:35 <+Netham45> huh 15:36 <+Netham45> i_c-Y, I don't use my casio, it just sits there. 15:36 < DrDnar> You can retrofit backlights onto 83s 15:36 < DrDnar> Or any calc. 15:40 < Evan> nspire is so cool 15:40 < DrDnar> Not binary programmable. 15:41 < DrDnar> We don't even know the public key they use. 15:41 -!- Randomist [~Vampire@216.117.123.192] has joined #tcpa 15:41 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION: Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage. 15:42 * Randomist ,a.d;e 15:42 < Evan> can the nspire run ti 83/84 apps? 15:42 < Randomist> * waves 15:42 < DrDnar> The non-CAS can using the 84 keypad. 15:42 < Randomist> Evan: The CAS can. 15:42 < Randomist> * non 15:43 < Randomist> Very hard to type -- sorry. 15:44 < Evan> if you put in the classic keypad does the calc boot into the 84 os or something? this video is giving me that idea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uCUFUTueDA 15:45 < DrDnar> If you put in the 84 keypad, the Nspire runs an 84 emulator. So it basically becomes an 84. 15:46 < Evan> cool im guessing they did that so people who go to schools that make you have a 83 or 84 can use a nspire 15:48 < Randomist> BrandonW: I am guessing the Nspire does not run any ASM support, and never will (they are probably mad about the cracking and do not want to risk it)? 15:49 < Randomist> * still does not 15:49 < Evan> nspire has no asm support!? 15:49 < DrDnar> The 84 keypad for the non-CAS can run assembly files for the 84. 15:49 < Randomist> They loced it down more, last I remember. 15:50 < DrDnar> But you can't run native CPU programs. 15:50 < Randomist> There are disavantages to the emulation. 15:51 < DrDnar> It doesn't support the index half registers. 15:51 < Evan> i wish they would come out with a new ti 84 with a improved screen with shading like the nspire, and also a sd card slot, that would be so cool 15:52 < Randomist> Evan: USB dongle. 15:52 < DrDnar> MSD8X. 15:52 < Randomist> And that. 15:52 < Evan> what about a usb dongle? 15:52 < Randomist> Er, not dongle, but USBSD. 15:52 < DrDnar> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/390/39064.html 15:53 < Evan> what about that stuff? 15:54 < Randomist> [I have only been typing in this for minutes, and my hands already ache. :(] 15:55 < Evan> i want to try doors cs 15:56 < Randomist> Ick. 15:57 < DrDnar> Who'd use a shell punned after Windows? 15:57 < Randomist> Waste of three Flash pages for a WIMP GUI. 15:57 < DrDnar> Weakly Interactive Massive Program? 15:58 < Randomist> GUIs for program execution are massive overkill on a calculator. 15:59 < Evan> i dont know about using it seriously, though it looks really interesting to try 15:59 < DrDnar> I still have MirageOS 1.3b7. Or is b9? 16:00 < DrDnar> Michael even leaked/released the beta. 16:00 < Randomist> I am using CalcUtil 2.021c. 16:01 < Randomist> Simple, efficient. 16:01 < DrDnar> CalcUtil? 16:02 < Tribal> runs mirage and ion programs without a shell 16:02 <@Andy_J> mirageos is much more than a gui though :p 16:02 < DrDnar> Like Noshell? 16:03 < Randomist> Also, program edits archived programs. 16:03 < Tribal> basically, yes 16:03 < Tribal> that's a nice feature 16:03 < Randomist> (And you get save confirmation. 16:03 < Randomist> ) 16:06 -!- DTal [~dtal@host86-141-31-126.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #tcpa 16:10 -!- Barrett [~Barrett@75-165-227-52.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:10 -!- Evan [~chatzilla@c-24-126-114-25.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15 -!- leofox [leofox@leofox.student.utwente.nl] has quit [] 16:20 -!- glk [glk@adsl-70-234-97-245.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #tcpa 16:20 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v glk] by etaonrish 16:22 < Randomist> Channel died. 16:24 < Tribal> mhmm 16:24 <+glk> I defend the TI-89t against all enemies 16:25 <@Andy_J> you killed it, Randomist 16:25 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@rrcs-67-53-176-159.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 16:25 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing. 16:26 < Randomist> No, you. 16:27 < Merthsoft> wow 16:27 < Merthsoft> you took a meme, and made it grammatically correct 16:27 < Merthsoft> wtf is wrong with you 16:28 -!- leofox [leofox@leofox.student.utwente.nl] has joined #tcpa 16:28 < efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR! 16:29 < DTal> Hm. I didn't know this channel existed. Not easy to find was it. 16:29 -!- Barrett [~Barrett@75-165-230-165.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #tcpa 16:29 < Barrett> http://www.makemymood.com/tag/surreal/ 16:29 <@E-J> yeah, they say about this in ticalc 16:30 -!- Spengo [~Spengo@64.251.241.204] has joined #tcpa 16:30 < i_c-Y> glk: so, how do you reconcile that with your HP 48 series treachery? 16:30 < DrDnar> The datestamp key has been released. I'm surprised BrandonW isn't already all over it. 16:31 <+glk> I also use a HP48gx HP49g+ 16:31 < DTal> The 73 key is supposed to be finished according to the thread, but it wasn't posted. 16:31 <+glk> They do things the ti can not do 16:31 < Randomist> glk: The 89 Titanium has enemies? 16:32 < Randomist> Who, CASIO lovers? 16:32 <+glk> Some people do not like calculators 16:32 <+glk> I never used a casio 16:33 < i_c-Y> fuck calculators i got a slide rule mother fuckers! :) 16:34 < Randomist> I had an Fx-9750 16:34 < Randomist> (I think.) 16:35 < Randomist> It had the green buttons. 16:35 < i_c-Y> the casio scientific (non graphing) ones are really good though 16:35 < i_c-Y> much better than the TI's. 16:36 < Randomist> They have color. 16:36 <+glk> The HP can do Laplace transform, singular value decomposition and fft. TI does fft in EEPRO 16:36 < Randomist> Ow, 16:36 < leofox> the casio graphic calcs are cheap 16:37 < Randomist> These headphones and music with middle feqs hurt. 16:38 < i_c-Y> it can also do symbolic laplace transforms properly (the HP that is) 16:38 < i_c-Y> and has step by step linalg / calc stuff 16:38 <+glk> There is a program for ti which does laplace and inverse 16:39 <+glk> The gamma program for ti works too 16:43 < i_c-Y> yes, but it sucks ass. 16:45 -!- Barrett_ [~Barrett@75-165-233-135.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #tcpa 16:47 -!- Barrett [~Barrett@75-165-230-165.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:12 -!- Barrett [~Barrett@75-165-238-73.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #tcpa 17:12 -!- Jonimus [~TheStorm@rrcs-67-53-176-159.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 17:12 < efneTI92> [Jonimus] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing. 17:14 -!- Barrett_ [~Barrett@75-165-233-135.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:16 < Randomist> You would thinv that after more than a decade of typing in QWERTY, I would not unlearn it all in two weeks. >.< 17:18 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@rrcs-67-53-176-159.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:19 < mokomull> Randomist: After having done the same thing, I would :) 17:19 < mokomull> Randomist: After having done the same thing, I would have thought you'd unlearn it :D 17:22 < Jonimus> I'm just learning to touch type, I've always had the bad habit of looking at the keyboard, and laptops don't make it any easier to keep from looking. 17:22 < Jonimus> hence why I make so many typos, I'm not looking at what I type. 17:23 < Randomist> It is very hard to resist. 17:23 < mokomull> I've been touch typing so long I can actually feel when I make a typo. 17:23 < i_c-Y> yeah. i hate when that happens 17:23 < Randomist> I don't want to spend ten minutes replying to something. 17:24 < i_c-Y> i sometimes miss keypresses that were put out of order though 17:24 < i_c-Y> eg. psat instead of spat if i hit p and s really close together 17:25 < Randomist> I do that all the time with Dvorak. 17:25 < Randomist> And, I could never type words like "your" right. 17:26 < DrDnar> Haha, r = | |csc(θ)|+|sec(θ)|-||csc(θ)|-|sec(θ)|| | 17:27 < Randomist> What does that mean in Layman's terms? 17:27 < DrDnar> The equation? Switch to polar mode and try it. 17:27 < Merthsoft> what're that | 17:27 < Randomist> Absouute. 17:27 < Merthsoft> ooh 17:27 < Randomist> * l 17:28 < Merthsoft> i don't have sec or csc 17:28 < DrDnar> You don't have Symbolic installed? 17:28 < Merthsoft> apparently not 17:29 < DrDnar> Just use your trig identities then. 17:29 < Merthsoft> i don't own any trig identities 17:29 < DrDnar> csc(x)=1/sin(x) 17:29 < Merthsoft> i don't think that's mine 17:29 < DrDnar> sec(x)=1/cos(x) 17:29 < DrDnar> Just use *the* trig identities then. 17:30 < Randomist> By day, I'm human; at night, I am Sin(). 17:30 < DrDnar> 1/Randomist 17:30 < DrDnar> Now you're csc. 17:30 < Merthsoft> no, now ans is csc 17:31 < DrDnar> This is where we get an IRCop to change Randomist's nick to 1/Randomist. 17:31 < Merthsoft> it's a rectangle 17:32 < Merthsoft> couldn't you have just told me it'd draw a rectangle 17:32 < DrDnar> I think that's funny. A rectangle in polar mode. 17:32 < Merthsoft> HA 17:32 -!- Randomist is now known as div[Rand] 17:33 < div[Rand]> Aww. 17:33 < DrDnar> It's actually a square. 17:33 < Merthsoft> squares are rectangles 17:33 < Merthsoft> so it's actually a rectangle 17:33 < div[Rand]> Trippy. 17:33 < DrDnar> But it's also a square. 17:33 -!- div[Rand] is now known as Randomist 17:33 < Merthsoft> indeed 17:34 * Randomist installs "Call of Cthulu" to rip the music. 17:45 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 17:46 <@E-J> http://f.postimees.ee/f/2009/09/11/233728t44hc4ad.jpg 17:47 < DrDnar> Is that an accident? 17:47 <@E-J> most likely 17:47 < Jonimus> Nokia Makes some nice phones, to bad their advertisment sucks 17:48 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:48 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.166.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 369 seconds] 17:50 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.166.26] has joined #tcpa 18:05 -!- _Auron|G1 [~Auron-G1@m3d0536d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 380 seconds] 18:20 -!- Jonimus_ [~TheStorm@rrcs-67-53-176-159.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 18:20 < efneTI92> [Jonimus_] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing. 18:24 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@rrcs-67-53-176-159.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 18:27 -!- Jonimus [~TheStorm@rrcs-67-53-176-159.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:28 -!- Jonimus [~TheStorm@rrcs-67-53-176-159.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 18:31 -!- Jonimus_ [~TheStorm@rrcs-67-53-176-159.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:31 -!- Goplat [~goplat@76-191-156-24.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #tcpa 18:31 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Goplat] by Remius 18:32 -!- tsrk [~tsrk@c-67-189-63-62.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 18:32 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v tsrk] by SnowCrash 18:33 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@rrcs-67-53-176-159.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 380 seconds] 18:35 -!- Jonimus [~TheStorm@rrcs-67-53-176-159.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 380 seconds] 19:07 -!- Randomist [~Vampire@216.117.123.192] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10 -!- dietsche [~dietsche@blo-dsl-ws-36.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #tcpa 19:10 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v dietsche] by Remius, efneTI86 19:11 < doc_who> morning 19:12 -!- Randomist [~Vampire@216.117.123.192] has joined #tcpa 19:12 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION: Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage. 19:14 < sir_lewk> so how bout them keys? 19:14 * sir_lewk pokes BrandonW 19:14 <@E-J> all done 19:17 < BrandonW> Date stamp key cracked and verified! 19:17 < BrandonW> WE HAVE ALL THE KEYS!!! 19:17 < sir_lewk> wooooo 19:17 * sir_lewk cracks open a beer 19:23 < DrDnar> Yay, now update the keys.zip so I can update my avatar. 19:23 < DrDnar> My UTI avatar has the keys embedded in it. The assembly code is just a front. 19:24 < BrandonW> I have to start branching keys.zip now. 19:24 < BrandonW> One with all the keys, and one for Wikileaks. 19:24 < BrandonW> (Not including 05 and stuff) 19:24 < i_c-Y> itd be quite funny if BrandonW modified a worm to distrbute the keys 19:24 < i_c-Y> and got arrested for it 19:25 < DrDnar> It could verify itself with TI's keys. 19:25 < DrDnar> It could sign each copy. 19:26 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/keys.zip ALL THE KEYS!!! 19:27 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/keys.txt :) 19:27 < DrDnar> Remind us again what the datestamp is for? 19:27 <@E-J> Brandon "Locksmith" Wilson 19:28 < BrandonW> We don't really know, but it lets you create the signature you see in the app header right underneath the 0320h (date stamp) field. 19:28 < BrandonW> And certificate updates. 19:28 < BrandonW> Those we actually CAN sign now. 19:28 < BrandonW> They can be embedded in 8XQs. 19:29 < BrandonW> And those 8XQs can be signed. 19:29 < BrandonW> Useless as it is. 19:29 < BrandonW> I think it has to do with trial applications. 19:29 < BrandonW> If you install a certificate update with a date stamp of 5/12/1999 for example, any trial applications you have oncalc that exipred before that date will get deleted automagically by the OS. 19:29 < BrandonW> I think 19:31 < BrandonW> But now that we can sign them, we can finally find out. 19:34 < BrandonW> And this is a nice easy way to find out what happens when you keep sending 8XQs over and over. 19:34 < BrandonW> I'll work on creating one for this. 19:38 -!- incubus [incubus__@98.194.19.98] has joined #tcpa 19:46 <+dietsche> so, you can't distribute the keys 19:46 <+dietsche> is it legal to create a website that can sign OS and Application files 19:46 <+dietsche> with the non-distributable keys 19:47 <+dietsche> i.e. what TI should have done a long time ago ;) 19:47 < DrDnar> That's a great idea. 19:50 < Randomist> I give up QWERTY. 19:50 < Randomist> Too much of a PITA to switch back, might as well stay with what I know. 19:51 <+dietsche> and what superior layout did you choose? 19:52 * DTal changes his keyboard layout to alphabetical, uses PC on standardised tests. 19:53 -!- Spengo\__ [~Spengo@pool-71-111-178-134.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 19:58 < DrDnar> BrandonW, what's up with the huge certification block in the TI-83+SE certificate I sent you? 20:00 < DrDnar> It's big enough to be another certificate. 20:01 < Tribal> how can you check if a website is down just for you? 20:01 < Tribal> I thought someone mentioned one before, but I forget what it was 20:01 < DrDnar> Open proxy? 20:02 < mokomull> Tribal: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ 20:02 < Tribal> thanks mokomull 20:03 < DTal> That site only does port 80; https only sites don't work. Also it breaks pointlessly in elinks. Someone should make a better one. 20:04 < Tribal> for some reason I can't connect to ticalc.org x.x 20:06 < DrDnar> try running ipconfig /flushdns 20:11 < DrDnar> Quick! Random math boggler! What's the product of (x-a)(x-b)(x-c) . . . (x-z)? No calculators. 20:12 < DTal> I've heard this one - won't spoil it. 20:13 < DrDnar> Don't FOIL me! 20:13 -!- Tribal [~Tribal@oh-76-5-240-130.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:13 -!- Tribal [~Tribal@oh-76-5-240-130.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #tcpa 20:14 < DTal> Although... it'd be sorta funny to actually show the entire symbolic expansion. 20:14 < DrDnar> No it wouldn't. 20:14 < DTal> I am absolutely inflexible on this. 20:16 < sir_lewk> an unauthorized website that signed stuff instead of programmers signing stuff locally would likely be just as "illegal" as just distributing the keys 20:16 < mokomull> and easier to take down 20:16 < sir_lewk> the cat is out of the bag on this one, TI is just going to have to suck it down 20:16 < DrDnar> TI's never even told what it is about the keys that violates their copyright. 20:17 < DrDnar> BrandonW wrote a program that can resign a modified OS on-calc. 20:18 < sir_lewk> right, it's pretty clear that they can go after us legally so long as we are "circumventing copyright protections" though. A signing website could still be attacked under the DMCA 20:18 < DTal> I guess the keys allow you to violate copyright by modifying TI's original OS, and passing it off as an original. But that doesn't mean the keys themselves voilate copyright. 20:18 < sir_lewk> unless it was hosted in another country of course, but people using it would still be "breaking the law" 20:18 < DTal> Perhaps the keys themselves are copyrighted? 20:19 < sir_lewk> they may try to argue that, but copyrighting a number is bullshit 20:19 < sir_lewk> in all of this, it's not really a matter of what is legal or illegal, rather it's a matter of what TI's lawyers can effectively argue 20:20 < sir_lewk> they have more money than any of us 20:21 < DTal> It's quite plain why they care, at any rate. They don't want "hacked" OSs making the rounds at high schools everywhere. 20:21 < sir_lewk> right, the best thing that we can possibly do is just be responsible with the keys 20:21 < sir_lewk> if we start bricking calcs left and right with "valid" os upgrades, they're going to get pissed 20:22 < sir_lewk> if we keep it relatively innocent, (ie real 3rd party OSs) then they'll probably start to care less 20:23 < DrDnar> I think it's because it means we can strip out Push-to-Test and stuff. 20:23 < DrDnar> TI clearly cares about giving teachers complete control over students' calculators. 20:23 < Tribal> yay 20:24 < sir_lewk> possibly, but so far they haven't gotten pissed at people tossing around old copies of the OSs. there was already crap to stop that anyways 20:24 < DrDnar> I think the issue is that it takes power away from teachers. 20:24 < Tribal> sudo /etc/init.d/nscd restart << worked, thx DrDnar 20:24 < DrDnar> Is that the Linux equivalent of /flushdns? 20:24 < sir_lewk> also, I've never actually heard of that being used, but that's a different issue >_> 20:24 < DTal> It means people could potentially get a calc-to-calc os that claimed to be from TI, but wasn't. Before you couldn't install a third party OS without trying. 20:25 < sir_lewk> yeah, that's what they are pissed about imho 20:25 < DTal> And it's now trivial to make such an OS. 20:25 < DrDnar> I'm pretty sure the copyright thing is just a front. 20:25 < Tribal> yeah it is 20:25 -!- dietsche [~dietsche@blo-dsl-ws-36.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has quit [Quit: Ping Timeout: 31337 seconds] 20:26 < sir_lewk> well of course 20:26 < sir_lewk> that's all the DMCA ever ammounts too, it's a piece of shit legislation that's just abused by corporations to bully consumers 20:27 < DrDnar> Unless that Foster guy thinks that TIOS is fully encrypted and that the keys let us decrypt it. 20:28 < sir_lewk> true, it sure sounded like that's what he thought (or was claiming to think) in the letters... 20:29 < DrDnar> A guy like that probably doesn't know the difference between a signature and full encryption. 20:29 < sir_lewk> mmhm 20:29 < DrDnar> Couldn't tell an MD5 hash from a checksum. 20:33 < sir_lewk> well, those overlap a bit more 20:33 < DrDnar> That'd be a huge-ass checksum. 20:33 < DrDnar> Wouldn't know PGP from ROT13. 20:34 < sir_lewk> lol 20:35 -!- dietsche [~dietsche@blo-dsl-ws-36.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #tcpa 20:35 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v dietsche] by efneTI85 20:36 < DrDnar> Krolypto only supports 256-bit encryption. 20:37 < sir_lewk> hmm, I totally forgot about that 20:38 < DrDnar> I we've proven that 256-bit is not secure anymore. 20:39 < DrDnar> Though factoring a public key is a lot different that decrypting data if you don't know the key. 20:39 < DrDnar> than* 20:39 <@chronomex> so, like, datestampkey is factored? neat 20:40 <@chronomex> I'll ready the article ... right after this breakfast 20:40 < sir_lewk> yup, waiting for the ticalc story now :) 20:40 < sir_lewk> cool 20:41 < DrDnar> Is it a complete breakfast with this Brand Name cereal? 20:42 < sir_lewk> neat, blowfish was designed by Bruce Schneier. didn't know that 20:43 <@chronomex> DrDnar: it's a complete breakfast with Quaker Oats and whole milk, does that count? 20:44 < DrDnar> I'm sure 20:44 < sir_lewk> get a grapefruit just to be sure 20:44 <@chronomex> can I substitute strawberries? 20:46 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.166.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 369 seconds] 20:48 < sir_lewk> that should be satisfactory 20:49 <@chronomex> Excellent. 20:49 < Merthsoft> ew grapefruit 20:50 < Tribal> http://image.chromefans.org/id45/google-crazy.png 20:50 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.166.26] has joined #tcpa 20:59 -!- Rand[USB] [~MicroVamp@216.117.120.184] has joined #tcpa 20:59 < efneTI92> [Rand[USB]] CAUTION: Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage. 20:59 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.29.184] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 21:02 < i_c-Y> yes, old. 21:14 -!- blanto [blanto@dhcp-168-105-229-78.wireless.manoa.hawaii.edu] has joined #tcpa 21:29 -!- \\BAF\IRC [ferrisr@cpe-74-67-34-29.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:52 -!- blanto [blanto@dhcp-168-105-229-78.wireless.manoa.hawaii.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:56 -!- dietsche [~dietsche@blo-dsl-ws-36.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:01 -!- doc_who [~doc@c-98-231-147-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06 -!- Rand[USB] [~MicroVamp@216.117.120.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16 <+tsrk> what's up creepy people of #tcpa! 22:16 <@chronomex> wsurp 22:20 < sir_lewk> prusw 22:25 -!- Tyler2 [~nexon@residence-232-130.mschaffer.ualberta.ca] has joined #tcpa 22:30 < sir_lewk> so how bought them ticalc articles? :) 22:30 <@chronomex> oh right 22:31 -!- Randomist [~Vampire@216.117.123.192] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31 < BrandonW> DrDnar, you can use CertEdit to find out what's in your certificate dump! 22:32 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/certedit.zip if memory serves. 22:34 < BrandonW> I think a web site where you specify the PC file and the .key file and it signs the PC file for you would be perfectly legal. 22:34 < BrandonW> That's what RabbitSign does. 22:34 < BrandonW> Except in executable form. 22:34 -!- Randomist [~Vampire@216.117.123.192] has joined #tcpa 22:34 < BrandonW> It's just one extra step to go to Wikileaks and get the .key file. 22:35 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #tcpa 22:35 < krisk> hello 22:35 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by Remius 22:38 <+krisk> nobody? :( 22:38 < BrandonW> Nobody who wants to talk. 22:39 <@chronomex> clearly 22:39 <+krisk> and yet i see 2 messages 22:39 -!- ryantmer_ [~Ryan@rntmp-250-11.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #tcpa 22:39 < sir_lewk> nope, nobody is here 22:40 <+krisk> :o 22:40 <+krisk> how are things going with you guys? 22:44 <+krisk> *poke* 22:44 <@chronomex> ahoy 22:47 -!- ryantmer [~Ryan@rntmp-250-11.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 22:52 -!- Kurttank [~Kurttank@166.188.7.147] has joined #tcpa 22:53 < Kurttank> Well, I tried 22:53 < Kurttank> I really did 22:53 < BrandonW> chronomex: I put the zip of all the factored keys on the United TI thread (which TI still hasn't taken down despite ticalc.org linking to it, so I think it would be safe to do it again). 22:53 < BrandonW> The all-inclusive zip is at http://brandonw.net/keys.zip still. 22:53 <@chronomex> okay 22:54 < Kurttank> ^ 22:54 < Kurttank> what 22:54 < BrandonW> I highly recommend everyone archive it. 22:54 <@chronomex> I'll link to your zip and my webpage 22:54 < BrandonW> Don't link to my own zip, TI will kill me. 22:54 <@chronomex> which I need to update 22:54 <@chronomex> okay 22:54 < BrandonW> You can link to the United TI thread. 22:54 <@chronomex> okay 22:54 < Kurttank> what are you talking about 22:54 <@chronomex> I'll do that 22:54 < Kurttank> it sounds delicous 22:55 <@chronomex> it does, doesn't it 22:55 < Kurttank> I wish I knew what it was 22:55 < BrandonW> We factored all of TI's RSA cryptographic signing keys through a distributed computing project. 22:55 < BrandonW> TI wants to keep it quiet, and we're distributing them as much as possibl. 22:55 < BrandonW> possible.* 22:55 < Kurttank> .... 22:55 < Kurttank> what 22:55 < Kurttank> the OS? 22:55 < BrandonW> The OS, application, and date stamp keys for all models. 22:56 < Kurttank> NICE 22:56 < Kurttank> so what does that let us do, exactly? 22:56 < BrandonW> Create our own OSes, applications, and valid date stamps for any model. 22:56 < Kurttank> wow 22:56 < Kurttank> Anyway, I really tried to learn assembly. 22:57 < Kurttank> I really did 22:57 < Kurttank> But in the end 22:57 < BrandonW> Has it been two days? I think I won. 22:57 < Kurttank> I just said 'fuck it, I'm getting an 89.' 22:57 < BrandonW> Did I call it or what?! 22:57 < Kurttank> ..... You bet on me...? 22:57 < BrandonW> Yes. 22:57 < DrDnar> What is this about? 22:57 < Kurttank> dammit. 22:57 <@chronomex> heheheh 22:57 < BrandonW> When Kurttank would quit trying to learn assembly. 22:58 < DrDnar> Who is he? 22:58 < Kurttank> Me 22:58 <@chronomex> some guy on the internet 22:58 < BrandonW> Somebody who hates assembly and wants an 89. 22:58 < Kurttank> New to tcpa 22:58 <@chronomex> BrandonW: where's keys.zip again? 22:58 < DrDnar> heh 22:58 < BrandonW> The zip of all keys (including the publicly-released 0104 and our own 05 key) is at http://brandonw.net/keys.zip and I don't want that link distributed publicly. 22:58 < Kurttank> So what, is that the thing that usually happens? Everyone but the smartest folk just move to 89's and use C? 22:58 <@chronomex> ah, in / 22:59 <@chronomex> I was looking in /crap/ 22:59 < BrandonW> The one containing only the factored keys (to go to Wikileaks or wherever) is on the United TI therad. 22:59 < BrandonW> It's the most recent post. 22:59 < BrandonW> thread.* 23:00 < BrandonW> Kurttank, no, most people just give up on assembly. 23:00 < BrandonW> They get really excited about it and then give up. 23:00 -!- Tyler2 [~nexon@residence-232-130.mschaffer.ualberta.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:00 <@chronomex> yeah 23:00 <@chronomex> assembly is hard 23:00 <@chronomex> first thing I wrote in asm was the first virus for the 89 23:01 < Kurttank> I might look at it again sometime in the future, but right now, it's still at the "GET BACK, BAD OPCODE! WHAT DO YOU EVEN DO!?!" stage. 23:01 <@chronomex> took a long time 23:01 < BrandonW> The first 68k assembly thing I wrote was... 23:01 < BrandonW> Some sort of password thing, I think. 23:01 -!- doc_who [~doc@c-98-231-147-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 23:01 <@chronomex> you've done 68k?!? :O 23:01 < BrandonW> Very, very little. 23:01 < BrandonW> I started and then shifted back to z80. 23:01 < Kurttank> I just wish the freaking keywords weren't three letters long. 23:01 < BrandonW> I've never done C on the 89. 23:02 <@chronomex> Kurttank: some on the 68k are 4 or even 5 letters, and you can often give them a .b/.w/.l suffix! 23:02 < DrDnar> I think my first attempt at a real program was a Puyo Puyo clone. I never thought it had the same fun factor as the real thing, so I never released it. 23:02 < DrDnar> Nonsense. Some are four letters long. 23:02 < Kurttank> If someone had just gone and made an interpreter that would let you use more easily recogniseable keywords, it might be a bit easier to use. 23:03 < DrDnar> What part of daa don't you understand? 23:03 < BrandonW> Change the TASM .tab file if you don't like it. 23:03 < BrandonW> At least I think you can do that. 23:03 < DrDnar> That's a good idea. 23:03 < Kurttank> yeah 23:03 < DrDnar> jump instead of jp; return instead of ret 23:04 -!- DarkLord_ [~DarkLord@96-42-27-74.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #tcpa 23:04 < DrDnar> decrementAndJumpIfNotZero instead of djnz 23:04 < Kurttank> But I think the first thing I'm gonna do as a major project in C++, is write a Z80 abstraction tool. That way I can freaking memorize what the shit DOES. 23:04 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v DarkLord_] by SnowCrash 23:04 < DrDnar> The best way is to start simple. 23:04 < i_c-Y> or you could just learn what everything does the old fashioned way. 23:04 < Kurttank> wait, changing the TASM file already DOES that? 23:04 < Kurttank> wow 23:05 < DrDnar> Does what? 23:05 < Kurttank> Changes what the codes do 23:05 < Kurttank> Well, look like 23:05 < sir_lewk> the best way to start is write a bunch of hello world programs and submit them all to ticalc :) 23:05 < Kurttank> not 'do' 23:05 < Kurttank> lol 23:05 < i_c-Y> no, no sir_lewk 23:05 < i_c-Y> you've got it all wrong 23:05 < i_c-Y> it has to be a quadratic solver 23:05 < sir_lewk> aah, true! 23:06 < DrDnar> Well, you can change what opcodes are linked to what mnemonics. 23:06 < BrandonW> You'd honestly be better off embedding the BASIC equivalent in an assembly program, creating a temporary one on-the-fly and calling _ParseInp on it. 23:06 < Kurttank> I learned TI-BASIC by asking my algebra teacher for the manual and making crappy programs until I could make maze running AI and BASIC shells 23:06 < DrDnar> I managed to write a decently fast snake game in BASIC last year. I was impressed. 23:06 < Kurttank> wow 23:07 < Kurttank> wait, _Parselnp? 23:07 < Kurttank> wazzat? 23:07 < BrandonW> It's an 83+ BCALL that parses a program you give it. 23:07 < Kurttank> oh 23:07 < BrandonW> Or in other words, executes it. 23:07 -!- DarkLord_ [~DarkLord@96-42-27-74.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:07 < sir_lewk> neato 23:07 < DrDnar> Real snake, with food that jumps around, and your tail actually moves. Unlike BASIC snake games. 23:08 < BrandonW> That's all the homescreen is, you know...an edit buffer that calls _ParseInp when you press enter. 23:08 < BrandonW> It either returns a result in OP1/OP2 that gets displayed to the screen, or nothing and you get Done. 23:08 < Kurttank> Well, I still think 'hello world' and then a straightforward interpreter/converter/make-it-look-prettierer would help me learn it best. 23:08 < BrandonW> To each his own. 23:08 < Kurttank> Yeah. 23:09 < Kurttank> Building an interpreter would REQUIRE me to learn all the fiddly little bits, anyway, so I can add them all 23:09 < DrDnar> What are these TST instruction in the TAB file? 23:09 < BrandonW> Test. 23:10 < BrandonW> It's basically AND. 23:13 < DrDnar> Huh, it's not in LAI28D. Good to it's there. 23:13 < BrandonW> It's undocumented. 23:13 < Kurttank> Anyway, I can probably do more with C than I could with assembly. 23:13 < BrandonW> Maybe not even valid on the calculators. 23:13 < DrDnar> If it's undocumented, it doesn't work on the Nspire. 23:14 < Kurttank> In fact, I'll be doing microcontroller programming competitively in C in about a week. 23:14 < BrandonW> There is no direct correlation between documentation and whether it works on the Nspire, don't assume that. 23:14 < BrandonW> TI implemented ONLY what THEIR OS uses. 23:14 < BrandonW> There can be documented instructions that they never used. 23:14 < BrandonW> And which doesn't work on the Nspire. 23:14 < DrDnar> Er, like . . . ? 23:14 < DrDnar> RETI? 23:14 < BrandonW> I don't know specifically, I've never exhaustively tested them all and don't care enough to. 23:15 < BrandonW> TI does use RETI. 23:15 < BrandonW> It doesn't behave any differently than ret, but it's used in the interrupt. 23:16 < BrandonW> Only once. 23:16 < BrandonW> And it's not the only place the interrupt code can return. 23:16 < BrandonW> So it's actually quite silly. 23:16 < DrDnar> OTDM? 23:18 < DrDnar> INDR? 23:19 < BrandonW> I'm firmly against the use of undocumented instructions. 23:19 < BrandonW> Always have been. 23:19 < DrDnar> What's MLT? 23:19 < BrandonW> Can you not google? 23:19 < BrandonW> It's multiply. 23:20 < BrandonW> The Z180 has it. 23:21 < DTal> Huh. I never knew that. 23:21 < DrDnar> Oh joy. 23:23 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:24 <@chronomex> BrandonW: factcheck my keys page before I push an article linking to it? http://students.washington.edu/f/projects/ti/keys.shtml 23:26 < BrandonW> I'm not checking all those numbers, but assuming you copied/pasted out of the zip, it looks good. 23:26 <@chronomex> yeah, okay 23:26 <@chronomex> do you know of a way to sign 68k files? 23:26 < BrandonW> Yes. 23:26 < BrandonW> Use http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/resign68k.zip 23:26 <@chronomex> is it simple? 23:26 <@chronomex> okay 23:26 < BrandonW> It works fine and contains no .key files. 23:26 <@chronomex> okay 23:27 < BrandonW> It couldn't be simpler, pass the name of the file and the .key file on the command line. 23:27 < BrandonW> It's .NET so you need the framework, Mono, or similar, of course. 23:27 < BrandonW> Good luck on getting a DMCA notice. :) 23:27 < BrandonW> It seems you crave one. 23:28 <@chronomex> heh 23:28 < Kurttank> DMCA? 23:28 <@chronomex> I'm not linking to it from ticalc... or maybe I will 23:28 <@chronomex> Kurttank: it's a mostly shitty law in the US 23:29 <@chronomex> BrandonW: yes, I want something to frame 23:29 < BrandonW> I have a copy on my fridge. 23:30 <@chronomex> nice 23:31 < DrDnar> Does the Nspire emulate IM 2 and IM 0? 23:32 < BrandonW> It emulates IM 2. 23:32 < BrandonW> Nothing supports IM 0. 23:32 < Kurttank> IM2? 23:32 < DrDnar> Would di \ im 0 \ im 1 \ ei crash it? 23:32 < Kurttank> What's that? 23:32 < Kurttank> God, I sound like an idio( 23:33 < Kurttank> ..... Dang small keys 23:33 < DrDnar> It should do nothing on hardware. 23:35 <@chronomex> who's willing to host a public mirror copy of keys.zip that I can link to from the frontpage of ticalc.org? 23:35 <@chronomex> as many people as possible would be great 23:36 < BrandonW> I've sent the zip to Wikileaks. 23:36 < BrandonW> Hopefully I didn't screw it up and they take down the page or something. 23:37 <@chronomex> okay 23:37 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #tcpa 23:37 < BrandonW> chronomex, I wouldn't link directly to the keys. 23:37 < BrandonW> Magnus probably won't like it. 23:37 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by etaonrish, efneTI81 23:37 <@chronomex> :( 23:37 < BrandonW> If anything, link to the Wikileaks page. 23:37 <@chronomex> magnus has a stick up his ass 23:37 <@chronomex> okay 23:37 < BrandonW> http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Suppressed_Texas_Instruments_cryptographic_signing_keys,_28_Aug_2009 23:38 < BrandonW> ticalc.org linked to my page, and TI only chose to go after me. So if you link to Wikileaks, they'll only go after them, which they don't care about. 23:38 <@chronomex> aye 23:38 < BrandonW> Wikileaks doesn't currently have the zip, though. 23:38 < BrandonW> For now I'd say just link to the United TI thread, just like the original article. 23:39 < BrandonW> We know that's safe and it has the right information. 23:39 <@chronomex> aye 23:39 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 23:39 < BrandonW> If TI shuts it down or something, Wikileaks is always a stable backup. 23:39 < Randomist> l1726.06│< __void__ > or hwd 23:39 < DTal> I hope the thread survives. It's history. 23:39 < DTal> It's already a shame about the original post. I saved a copy. 23:40 < BrandonW> "A mathematical morsel for your entertainment and edification..." 23:40 < BrandonW> So it began. 23:41 <@chronomex> so it originally began 23:41 < DTal> Interesting how all it took was one person to prove it was possible, and then once we were emboldened to try it turned out to be not so hard at all. 23:42 <@chronomex> yeah 23:43 < Kurttank> Am I just kind of wandering around aimlessly while history in the making is going on? 23:43 <@chronomex> more or less :P 23:43 <@chronomex> there's always history in the making when BrandonW is busy 23:43 < DTal> Seriously though, the keys must be on thousands of computers by now. What on earth do TI hope to accomplish by attempting to suppress them? 23:44 < DTal> I mean, any nasties who want to make illegal hacked copies will already have their hands on all they need. 23:46 < Kurttank> Hacked copies of WHAT, is my question. 23:46 < BrandonW> Of their official OS. 23:46 < Kurttank> The OS is useless without their calculators 23:46 < DTal> The official Ti-OS. 23:46 < Kurttank> So I don't see why their bitching. 23:46 < Kurttank> And that was a sarcastic question, gentlemen. 23:46 < Kurttank> Wait 23:47 < Kurttank> >Their 23:47 < Kurttank> Doh. 23:47 <@chronomex> heh 23:47 <@chronomex> d'oh indeed 23:48 < BrandonW> I didn't realize there was a question in that. 23:48 <@chronomex> BrandonW: I think you have more mentions in ticalc.org articles than any other non-staff person ... 23:48 < BrandonW> It's great, isn't it? 23:49 <@chronomex> heh yeah 23:50 < Kurttank> lol 23:50 < Kurttank> he ought to, he created the only USB drivers in existance for it. 23:50 <@chronomex> yes, BrandonW is a genius 23:51 <@chronomex> that's already been established 23:51 < BrandonW> Dan Englender started usb8x, and Michael Vincent started what became msd8x. 23:51 < BrandonW> I only followed. 23:51 < Kurttank> I wouldn't be surprised if half the stuff he wrote he programmed directly in hexadecimal, right on the bare metal. 23:51 <@chronomex> no 23:51 <@chronomex> nobody's that stupide 23:51 < Kurttank> Stupid? 23:51 <@chronomex> I did it a couple of times but only because I didn't have a computer handy 23:52 < Kurttank> Real Programmers program in machine code. 23:52 < DTal> I've never used an assembler. 23:52 < Kurttank> That's the ticket! 23:52 < DTal> But then, I've programmed sod all in assembly :) 23:52 < Kurttank> D'oh 23:53 < DTal> Still, messing around with opcodes was the most fun I've had with a computer. 23:53 < Kurttank> lol 23:53 < Kurttank> cool 23:54 < DTal> I wish the oncalc C compiler for the 89 actually worked. 23:54 < Kurttank> lol 23:54 <@chronomex> it worked for me once or twice 23:54 < Kurttank> oncalc compiler? 23:54 <@chronomex> but writing C on calc was very slow ... 23:54 < Kurttank> what's wrong with it? 23:54 <@chronomex> I don't remember 23:54 <@chronomex> it was years ago :P 23:54 < Kurttank> lol 23:54 < DTal> It explodes if you give it anything more complicated than hello world. 23:54 < DTal> Takes a chunk of ram with it. 23:54 < Kurttank> but yeah, writing instructions with calc keys could be tedious 23:55 < Kurttank> ouch 23:55 < Kurttank> who wrote it? 23:56 < BrandonW> Don't forget ZAC for the 86. 23:56 < BrandonW> The oncalc assembler and text editor. 23:56 < BrandonW> It was pretty sweet actually, but the nature of writing assembly oncalc is still just tedious. 23:56 < BrandonW> That program is why I'm not motivated to work on an 83+ version. 23:57 < DTal> Can't remember the name of the guy who ported it (he also wrote SIDE), but the code itself was a port of another m68k compiler. 23:57 < BrandonW> Because you could make something really sweet, but by the time you're done, is it really worth it? 23:57 <@chronomex> yeah 23:57 <@chronomex> I was thinking about creating some sort of different input method for asm 23:57 <@chronomex> that would be less tedious on the calculator 23:57 < Kurttank> for some reason, BASIC isn't all that tedious 23:58 < DTal> C was not tedious at all, on the 89 - it just didn't work. 23:58 < Kurttank> You get used to no ctrl-c ctrl-v after a while and learn to deal with RCL 23:58 < DTal> But parens, pipes, all in the right places. --- Log closed Sun Sep 13 00:00:44 2009