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00:00 < bwsTBRB> wait, woah
00:00 < bwsTBRB> that's awesome
00:00 < bwsTBRB> @ topic
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00:16 < TD-Linux> BrandonW, still crunching for that last key
00:16 < BrandonW> Is that a question or a statement?
00:16 < TD-Linux> statement
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00:16 < TD-Linux> how far along is it?
00:17 < BrandonW> We don't know, that's the problem.
00:24 < incubus> Anyone ever done homework but forgotten to bring it?
00:24 < BrandonW> Yes.
00:24 < incubus> BrandonW, Tell me if this sounds weird
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00:25 < incubus> I was helping a guy with a problem before class, and he asked to see my homework, and I said, after looking for it "Ah I forgot to bring it, oops", and he sighed mat me and shook his head after pausing for like 2 seconds, kind of like a "Wow... dumbass, anyways" look
00:25 < incubus> sighed at me*
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00:25 < incubus> weird?
00:26 < incubus> It's that look of 2 second shock, then shaking your head and sighing, as if to say "Wow... unbelievable.  Anyways..."
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00:28 < BrandonW> Yeah, that guy's an ass.
00:28 < incubus> I've rarely felt so weird towards another person
00:29 < BrandonW> He's just an ass, forget him.
00:29 < BrandonW> Way too many people like that in life.
00:29 < BrandonW> And college.
00:29 < incubus> here's the FUCKING kicker though
00:29 < incubus> he then asked a whole bunch of people for their answers and copied them down
00:29 < TD-Linux> incubus, that happened to me today
00:29 < incubus> TD-Linux, I hate that
00:29 < incubus> I worked 6 fucking hours on homework
00:29 < BrandonW> So he's a slacker, too.
00:29 < BrandonW> I despise people like that.
00:30 < incubus> I had it stapled and laying on my desk at home, and I picked up the wrong assignment, first time that's happened to me in like 3 years
00:30 < incubus> BrandonW, :(
00:31 < BrandonW> I remember one time, in high school, I think it was biology or something, a couple of people were trying to cheat off me. The teacher was outside and we were supposed to put our papers on her desk when we were done, so I wrote down all the wrong answers, put it on her desk, watched others pick it up and copy it, then I went back and got it and changed the answers to the right ones
00:31 < BrandonW> and turned it in again.
00:31 < BrandonW> Fucking slackers.
00:31 < BrandonW> Anyone who thinks that's mean can bite me.
00:31 < incubus> LOL
00:31 < incubus> That is... beautiful
00:31 < incubus> that almost brings a tear of joyfulness to my eye
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00:32 < incubus> I wish I had a camera sometimes, I've had moments where people acted so strange, it needed to be filmed
00:33 < bsparks> incubus, you know, I always have a camera on me, and manage to miss those moments, when I don't have a camera, moments happen lol
00:33 < incubus> lol
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00:36 < incubus> f*ck my keyboard
00:36 <@Andy_J> 20:33:19 < bsparks> incubus, you know, I always have a camera on me, and manage to miss those moments, when I don't have a camera, moments happen lol
00:36 <@Andy_J> temporal mindfuck
00:39 < incubus> lol
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00:52 < BrandonW> HAHAHAHA, my printer's model is iP2600.
00:52 < BrandonW> Like I pee 2600.
00:53 < Merthsoft> O_o
00:54 < Merthsoft> atari 2600
00:56 < BrandonW> Oh the joys of effortless printing.
00:58 < Merthsoft> shouldn't all printing be effortless?
00:58 < BrandonW> Yes, yes it should be.
00:58 < Merthsoft> i like to print from my 84+SE
00:58 < BrandonW> Me too!
00:59 < Merthsoft> see this is why we should get married
01:01 < ryantmer> Merthsoft: See, this is why you shouldn't.
01:02 < Merthsoft> :(
01:02 < ryantmer> Unless you are lucky enough to find a girl who also likes printing from her 84+SE
01:02 < ryantmer> In which case, you may also have divided by zero.
01:03 < Merthsoft> i wouldn't want a girl who likes printing from her 84+SE
01:03 < BrandonW> http://pastebin.com/md52ce33 This plus the date stamp key is going to Herbert Foster.
01:04 < Merthsoft> poke the bear
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01:14 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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01:16 < TD-Linux> is anyone here watching glee?
01:17 < Merthsoft> TD-Linux: Yes!
01:18 < Merthsoft> (I was in a show choir in HS, it takes me back)
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01:21 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
01:23 < TD-Linux> Merthsoft, it fails though :(
01:23 < Merthsoft> how so?
01:23 < TD-Linux> so far my real life is more exciting
01:24 < Merthsoft> heh, well, i like it
01:25 < BrandonW> We need to make a web page that lets you re-sign any OS or application.
01:25 < BrandonW> Imagine how much that would piss off TI.
01:25 < Tar1> in javascript!
01:26 < Tar1> because it's pointless to do something like that server-side
01:26 < BrandonW> Why's that?
01:26 < Tar1> I'm lazy. :)
01:27 < BrandonW> You're lazy, therefore it's pointless?
01:28 < Tar1> Something like that..
01:28 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: Let's do it!
01:28 < BrandonW> The only real question is, do you force the user to upload the key file?
01:29 < Merthsoft> why would you do that?
01:29 < BrandonW> Because TI doesn't want the method to re-sign things distributed.
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01:29 < BrandonW> Without the key file, it's useless by itself.
01:29 < BrandonW> And so TI can't complain.
01:30 <+Netham45> Anyone know if there's an 84+ Emulator for WinMo?
01:30 < BrandonW> I guarantee you there is not.
01:30 < BrandonW> You can get the 83+ with Pocket Virtual TI.
01:31 < j-b-r> What about on the iPhone platform?
01:31 < j-b-r> Just wondering...
01:31 <+Netham45> I don't have an 83+.
01:31 < BrandonW> I don't think there is.
01:31 < BrandonW> Who cares? Get the ROM for it.
01:31 < BrandonW> It's a matter of whether you're okay with the 83+.
01:32 < BrandonW> And not the 84+.
01:32 <+Netham45> Yea, an 83+ would be fine
01:32 <+Netham45> I'm just looking for something to use at school.
01:32 < BrandonW> Virtual TI never properly emulated the archive, but for math it'll be okay.
01:32 < BrandonW> Somebody get this man an OS 1.12 or less 83+ ROM.
01:34 <+Netham45> hmm, would it be that hard to compile Wabbitemu, or Tilem for WinMo?
01:34 < j-b-r> Yes?'
01:34 < BrandonW> Yes.
01:34 < j-b-r> Or at least last time I wrote a program for Windows Mobile it would have been
01:35 <+Netham45> I don't suppose there's any working emulator done in .Net, is there...
01:35 < BrandonW> I have intentions of writing an Android emulator.
01:35 < BrandonW> There is not.
01:35 < j-b-r> But that was in like 2004 or 2005 using 2003-era sofotware
01:35 < j-b-r> TI Emu for Android would be cool
01:36 < BrandonW> z80-only.
01:37 < j-b-r> well nobody cares about 68k anyway
01:37 < BrandonW> Of course they do.
01:37 < BrandonW> A pocket 89 could be very useful.
01:38 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: Let's do it! (AGAIN!)
01:38 < BrandonW> Too much to do. :(
01:39 < Merthsoft> psh
01:39 < Merthsoft> i've got more
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01:40 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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01:41 <+Netham45> If I had any idea what I'd be doing at all, I'd try an 84+ emulator on winmo...
01:41 < BrandonW> You have no idea what you're doing emulator-wise or Windows Mobile-wise?
01:41 <+Netham45> emulator-wise
01:42 < BrandonW> If you're serious, I'd be willing to help, of course.
01:42 < BrandonW> Considering I've never written an emulator either.
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01:43 <+Netham45> What language would you guys suggest for an emulator(given that C#, C++ and VB are my options, for within VS 08)
01:44 < j-b-r> lol@VBforWinmo
01:45 < j-b-r> Which are you most comfortable with?
01:45 <+Netham45> VB. >.>
01:45 < Merthsoft> C#
01:45 < BrandonW> C++ is probably best, but given the wonders of .NET, C# (which I don't know).
01:46 < BrandonW> I don't know if that's really a smart idea or not.
01:46 <+Netham45> I've done absolutely nothing with C++, tho I'd imagine it'd likeley just be a challenge of learning the syntax. I've only done XNA stuff with C#(Xbox 360 TI-84 emulator anyone?), and I've done alot of stuff with VB.
01:47 < j-b-r> I wonder if you actually could make a decent emulator in VB...?
01:47 < j-b-r> I don't really know
01:47 <+Netham45> j-b-r, not sure, I can see it having issues with bit-level operations.
01:49 < BrandonW> Go C#, it's an easier transition from VB.NET and you might learn something, too.
01:50 < BrandonW> GRRR, I can't figure out why my writes from the extra RAM pages aren't making it to sector 70h.
01:51 < BrandonW> It's the one thing stopping this dual booting from working.
01:51 < BrandonW> I might have to come up with an oncalc hex editor just to figure out what's going on.
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01:51 < BrandonW> Which I was going to do (integrate Calcsys) anyway.
01:51 < BrandonW> Except be a little smarter about it.
01:51 < j-b-r> Dualbooting?
01:51 < j-b-r> Awesome
01:52 < BrandonW> Since Calcsys likes to eat appBackUpScreen and stuff.
01:52 < j-b-r> Oncalc hex editing should be simple... and very unsafe...
01:52 < j-b-r> ALthough ram is nothing I guess, since you can always just reset
01:53 < BrandonW> The whole concept of erasing RAM on reset is gone.
01:53 < BrandonW> This is all from scratch.
01:53 < i_c-Y> Netham45: with programming C++ you have to be a bit more careful than just learning the syntax if you're comming from a language that isnt C. and VB has bit level operations working fine
01:54 <+Netham45> i_c-Y, I was worried about shifting. Doesn't VB treat 1001 shifted over 1 as 0100, where as other languages would treat it as 1100?
01:55 < i_c-Y> depends. if you're worried about that it should be an unsigned int anyway.
01:55 < BrandonW> Signed and unsigned integers is a concept common to most all languages.
01:55 < BrandonW> Anything worth using, anyway.
01:56 <+Netham45> yea, VB knows the difference between signed and unsigned.
01:56 <+Netham45> hell, *I* know the difference between signed and unsigned. :O
01:56 < BrandonW> So you were concerned the creators of VB might not?
01:57 <+Netham45> no, I just recalled bit-shifting being destructive to the x bytes at the end that were shifted over to, I didn't think that that limitation might not be present for unsigned ints.
01:58 < i_c-Y> anyhow, Netham45 , if its consistent in that regard, that's a good thing in a way
01:59 < i_c-Y> in C, left shifts always shift in 0's
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01:59 < i_c-Y> right shifts shift in 0's on unsigned (duh), and its implementation dependent on signed
01:59 <+Netham45> Okay.
02:00 < i_c-Y> well, thats not entirely true. on a signed nonnegative value, right shifts do act as rightshifts on unsigned 
02:01 < BrandonW> I don't think he cares anymore, i_c-Y.
02:01 < i_c-Y> atleast in ansi C anyway
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02:01 <+Netham45> heh
02:08 < millinao> who is andrew munsell?
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02:09 < BrandonW> Some idiot, more than likely.
02:09 < millinao> ah. I was assuming it was someone we knew
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02:09 < BrandonW> Whoever it has thinks the Nspire is cool.
02:10 < BrandonW> So if it's someone we know, they will promptly die in a fire.
02:10 < millinao> good point
02:10 < BrandonW> it is*
02:10 < BrandonW> Andrew Munsell, 15, owns both a TI-84 and an Nspire, and likes the Nspire in part because of the added complexity. "The TI-Nspire that I have is not just a calculator any more -- it is a handheld computer," he said.
02:11 < BrandonW> "I was really the one that made the calculator cool. Almost," he said.
02:11 < BrandonW> You've done crap, sir.
02:11 < millinao> YEAH WE'RE THE COOL CATS AROUND THESE PARTS
02:11 < millinao> does the Nspire do what it's intended for better than the 84+/89?
02:11 < TheStorm> He most likely owns an iPhone and every other useless gadget in existance
02:11 < BrandonW> When you use the 84+SE keypad, sure.
02:11 < BrandonW> We really don't even know what TI's intentions were. They claim it's a classroom learning tool, which it is.
02:12 < BrandonW> It's great for those lectures about how to use some awful calculator you don't really pay attention in.
02:12 < TheStorm> BrandonW, does the CAS even have any useful CAS features?
02:12 < BrandonW> Outside of that, useless.
02:12 < BrandonW> Yeah, but it's still awful.
02:12 < BrandonW> The Nspire can do 2+2, too.
02:12 < BrandonW> But to get there is a pain.
02:12 < TheStorm> Really, is ti worse than the App Desktop on the 89's?
02:13 < BrandonW> Yes, if you hate the app desktop just hit the "HOME" button.
02:13 < BrandonW> What a concept! A HOME button.
02:13 < BrandonW> Who knew?
02:13 < TheStorm> I hate that they think when you turn on a calculator you want to press more buttons before you can use it.
02:13 < BrandonW> With the 83+ series, it's ON, enter the expression, ENTER.
02:13 < BrandonW> That simple.
02:13 < i_c-Y> if you really want something that does more than calc 1 integrals, go with the HP 50G. I dont see how nspire could have possibly been any competition for CAS to HP
02:13 < i_c-Y> or if you want something simple, go 89 series.
02:14 < i_c-Y> TheStorm: you can go mode f3 and disable apps desktop
02:14 < BrandonW> No one's asking for advice.
02:14 <+glk> I have an HP49G+
02:14 < BrandonW> You're interrupting our Nspire bashing.
02:14 < i_c-Y> glk: shoulda gotten a HP 50G
02:14 < millinao> That's one more G!
02:14 < TheStorm> i_c-Y, my Calc # class recommended the 89 or I would have gone HP 50G, plus I needed it short notice
02:14 < TheStorm> s/#/3
02:14 <+glk> The HP49G+ and the Hp48GX both meet mey needs
02:15 < BrandonW> Your needs are minimal compared to ours.
02:15 < i_c-Y> if you're in a college calc class and they reccomend a calculator and its not calc for non math related majors, you're really not in a good place.
02:15 < i_c-Y> for that class anyway.
02:15 < sir_lewk> well I suspect glk actually does math with his calculators ;)
02:16 < BrandonW> I do math, too.
02:16 < sir_lewk> hm
02:16 < sir_lewk> well I certainly do not :P
02:16 <+glk> I had the HP48GX for 10 years
02:16 < TheStorm> Its just a general Calc 3 class.
02:16 < BrandonW> I never took calculus 3.
02:16 < sir_lewk> I still need to :/
02:17 < TheStorm> The recommend the 89 but they just require you have a Graphic Calculator
02:17 < i_c-Y> as i've found out from years of #math on various networks, calc class #'s vary a lot - some places use calc 3 to teach sequences and series.
02:17 < sir_lewk> huh, dunno
02:17 < BrandonW> Calculus 2 was what I had last and I've completely blocked it out. Lots and lots of integration comes to mind.
02:18 < i_c-Y> anyhow, assuming its a vector calc class, its totally useless
02:18 < TheStorm> This seems to be more advanced stuff than that, so far we've been mainly dealing with vectors and 3D vector math
02:18 < TheStorm> Yeah, basically
02:18 < sir_lewk> most kids skip calc3 at my school and go straight to multi-variable, CS guys are supposed to take calc3 though
02:18 < i_c-Y> visualizing a vector field on pretty much every graphing calculator i've tried is completely useless.
02:19 < TheStorm> the 86 isn't bad at it
02:19 < i_c-Y> and thats pretty much all it could possibly be good for.
02:19 < i_c-Y> and visualizing it really isnt going to help you in most cases anyway
02:19 < TheStorm> but yeah I know what you mean
02:19 < sir_lewk> 86's are sexy
02:20 < TheStorm> I'm just glad Ap calc got me out of Calc 1&2
02:20 < TheStorm> sir_lewk, damn straight
02:20 < i_c-Y> plus, all the integrals you do in that class probably are going to be things you wont care about because they arent really about local properties
02:20 < i_c-Y> which make this a ton nicer
02:22 < i_c-Y> getting a wave eqn out of maxwell's eqns in integral form? 5 pages maybe. written as divergences and curls? 1 line.
02:23 < sir_lewk> whoa, the terminator just shot the devil with a grenade launcher :O
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02:26 < BrandonW> But that doesn't happen in Terminator 1/2/3/4.
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02:29 < i_c-Y> Terminator 3 should be forgotten. worst movie ever.
02:29 < BrandonW> I enjoyed it.
02:31 < sir_lewk> couldn't even begin to compare with 2 though
02:31 < sir_lewk> this is some arnold movie "end of days"
02:31 < sir_lewk> on AMC
02:31 < BrandonW> Yeah, I figured that's what it was.
02:33 < sir_lewk> now the devil is some sort of pteradactyl though
02:35 < BrandonW> Hate it when that happens.
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02:42 < BrandonW> Okay, it's official, I'm the stupid person alive. I was outputting 0 to port 14h to unlock Flash when it should've been 1.
02:42 < BrandonW> stupidest*
02:43 < Merthsoft> psh
02:43 < Merthsoft> everyone knows that
02:43 < i_c-Y> blah blah blah
02:48 < DSP_Lord> <sir_lewk> this is some arnold movie "end of days"
02:48 < DSP_Lord> i actually like that movie.
02:53 <+Netham45> BrandonW, solve the issue with your bootloader?
02:53 < BrandonW> I'm trying to test it now to see.
02:53 <+Netham45> Cool.
02:54 < BrandonW> There's still a significant amount left to do...this is safely writing the received TI-OS to extra Flash.
02:54 < BrandonW> I still need to test the boot loader code, patch the received TI-OS not to erase the extra Flash...
02:54 < BrandonW> Patch the TI-OS to include the boot loader code...
02:54 < BrandonW> And write the code to do the actual switch.
02:55 < BrandonW> Once I get this working, I'll write the equivalent direct USB code (ick).
02:55 < BrandonW> And then do some clean-up.
02:55 < BrandonW> And then I can finally start fleshing out the system monitor and varibale storage.
02:55 < BrandonW> And then finally the ability to run programs and Flash applications.
02:56 <+Netham45> Nice.
02:56 <+Netham45> BrandonW, what are these C151 work loads on BOINC? o.O
02:57 < BrandonW> I'll start re-implementing enough BCALLs to get the most-used programs and applications working again, and then I can start thinking about release.
02:57 < BrandonW> Branching/releasing.
02:57 < BrandonW> The C151 work units are for another integer we're factoring while waiting for the date stamp key to finish sieving. DO NOT STOP SIEVING YET, I'm trying to get details on where we stand with the last key.
02:57 < BrandonW> As soon as we can stop sieving, I will let you all know immediately.
02:57 < BrandonW> And I'll stop as well.
02:58 < BrandonW> Even though you aren't seeing date stamp work units, it doesn't mean some won't be added.
02:58 < BrandonW> It's hard to give a definitive answer on when we're doen.
02:58 < BrandonW> done.*
02:58 <+Netham45> ah, okay. the C151 has absolutely nothing to do with calculators, though? Not sure I like them doing stuff not-related to the initial project with it...
02:59 < BrandonW> I don't like it either, believe me, and I'll be killing it as soon as humanly possible.
02:59 < BrandonW> I really hate where they're taking it.
02:59 < BrandonW> Once I get the last key they can bite me.
02:59 < BrandonW> I'll start factoring calculator public keys on my own.
03:01 <+Netham45> If you set up a boinc project/distribute pre-configured environments/etc..., I'm sure people will help you.
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03:01 < BrandonW> I doubt I can figure it out, but I'll give it a shot.
03:02 <+Netham45> can get what figured out? A BOINC project, or the siever?
03:03 < BrandonW> Both.
03:03 < BrandonW> We managed 14 keys in a couple of weeks...it might be worth setting up a distributed project where people can input their own calculator public keys and we'll start rebuilding our own database of factors.
03:03 < BrandonW> It's not the ideal solution, but the people who care about it most will be able to sign their own certificate updates.
03:05 < BrandonW> Some people still have stmp jobs.
03:05 < BrandonW> We'll have the date stamp key before they get any of theirs.
03:05 <+Netham45> factoring the indvidual keys wouldn't be illegal under the DMCA, would it?
03:05 < i_c-Y> i dont think BrandonW cares
03:05 < BrandonW> I'm pretty sure it would be, there's no "we just want to put our own OSes on there" excuse. This could be used to install paid applications for free.
03:06 < BrandonW> I know, there are no more paid applications...
03:06 < BrandonW> But we're circumventing that protection.
03:07 <+Netham45> okay
03:10 <+Netham45> i_c-Y, I was thinking that I might be able to host the BOINC server on my server I have through Barrett, but I don't want to do anything that'd jeapordize my server, or barrett's server.
03:11 < TheStorm> Netham45, you'd be better off try to do it from a Home server if you have the bandwidth
03:12 <+Netham45> TheStorm, I have the bandwidth, but I lack an always-on reliable computer with the disk space to manage something like this.
03:12 < BrandonW> This new project would only be factoring keys beneficial to a single person at a time, and given the fact that they've been fine with factoring the 14 most important keys they have, I don't think they'll care.
03:12 <+Netham45> BrandonW, wasn't the server hosted in France or something?
03:12 < sir_lewk> "circumventing copyright protection" is lame as shit.  it effectivly makes it illegal to decrypt something that was "encrypted" with XOR
03:13 < sir_lewk> doesn't matter how stupid the protection was, just as illegal
03:13 < BrandonW> Yes, but I'm pretty sure they have laws to stop this sort of thing.
03:13 < BrandonW> squalyl was scared stiff of it.
03:13 < BrandonW> Still is.
03:13 < sir_lewk> who is squalyl?  french server guy?
03:13 < BrandonW> Yes, he has the BOINC server.
03:14 < BrandonW> Give it a couple of more days to get the date stamp key done.
03:28 < BrandonW> If I don't hear anything by Friday, I'll ditch it.
03:29 < Merthsoft> linux kids!
03:29 < Randomist> We have a Mac fag in our dorm.
03:30 < Randomist> The "has never used Windows in his life, and is confused by it" type.
03:30 < Merthsoft> I need some help. I'm writing this bash script, and I'm using a for loop, this tutorial i found said i can do "for (( i = 1; i <= 5; i++ ))" but when i do that it says./run.sh: 7: Syntax error: Bad for loop variable 
03:31 < Tar1> bash iterates over a list, iirc
03:31 < Tar1> so that tutorial is horribly wrong
03:31 < Tar1> yeah:
03:31 < Randomist> You can do that.
03:32 < Randomist> "for ((x=0; x<10; x++)); do echo $x; done"
03:32 < Tar1> for VARIABLE in STR1 STR2 ... STRN; do whatever; done
03:32  * Tar1 defers to Randomist
03:32 < Tar1> I don't script with bash :)
03:33 < Tar1> oh, there it is
03:33 < Randomist> Also:   "for x in {0..10}; do echo $x; done" will work
03:33 < Merthsoft> Randomist: so http://pastebin.com/m6a570051
03:33 < Merthsoft> why's that wrong
03:34 < Randomist> Works for me.
03:35 < Merthsoft> well shit
03:35 < Randomist> What is you "bash --version"?
03:35 < Merthsoft> GNU bash, version 3.2.48(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
03:36 < Randomist> Ah, you have old the Bash.
03:36 < Randomist> * the old
03:37 < Merthsoft> well fuck
03:37 < Merthsoft> ok, how can i do it?
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03:41 < BrandonW> They changed the way for loops work?
03:41 < Merthsoft> they added on
03:41 < Merthsoft> you can still go over a list
03:47 < Merthsoft> i guess i could do it in perl
03:51 < Randomist> I think in Bash 3, you have to use `let`.
03:53 < millinao> SUMMER RULES SCHOOL DROOLS
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03:53 < Merthsoft> Randomist: how's that work?
03:59 < Merthsoft> :(
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04:01 < Merthsoft> oh i suppose i could just use a while loop
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04:06 < Merthsoft> laskdjfhasdlkjf
04:06 < Merthsoft> Randomist: When I do "i = 1000" it says "can't find i"
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04:07 < efneTI92> [bsparks] http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/images/smilies/grayscale_drifter2.gif Parrot.
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04:09 < i_c-Y> $
04:09 < Merthsoft> i had to take out the spaces
04:11 < BrandonW> I think it might be possible to sign apps and OSes oncalc.
04:11 < Spengo> lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnERmSsGqP8
04:11 < Randomist> Merthsoft:  Does that first example I gave work for you?
04:11 < Merthsoft> for ((x=0; x<10; x++)); do echo $x; don?
04:11 < Randomist> Yes, that.
04:11 < Merthsoft> nope
04:11 < Merthsoft> for loops in that form don't work
04:11 < Randomist> Okay.
04:11 < Merthsoft> oh wait
04:12 < Merthsoft> yeah it does
04:12 < DrDnar> If we can start signing apps on-calc, we may need to actually write an IDE.
04:12 < Randomist> Oh.
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04:12 < Merthsoft> inline
04:12 < DrDnar> "Oh, yeah, we can sign apps on-calc. We just can't WRITE them. For that you need a computer."
04:12 < BrandonW> I think I could even get the code written for it tonight.
04:13 < sir_lewk> what would be the advantage to signing things on calc?
04:13 < Randomist> Merthsoft:  Try:   "for ((i = 1000; i <= 1000000; i = $i + 1000))"
04:13 < BrandonW> As an application, you could actually modify yourself and stay valid from calc to calc.
04:13 < BrandonW> Same with the OS.
04:13 < sir_lewk> ah, cool
04:14 < sir_lewk> that could be pretty slick
04:14 < Merthsoft> Randomist: still says bad loop error
04:15 < Randomist> What about i+=1000
04:15 < Randomist> I think it is that part in isn't liking.
04:15 < Merthsoft> nope
04:16 < Randomist> I forget the right way for Bash 3.
04:16 < Merthsoft> even just i++ doesn't work
04:16 < sir_lewk> why does that for loop have two levels of parens?
04:16 < sir_lewk> what langauge is that even?
04:16 < Randomist> sir_lewk:  ((...)) is for expressions.
04:16 < Randomist> This is in Bash.
04:16 < sir_lewk> oh, huh
04:16 < sir_lewk> I never used for loops like that in bash
04:17 < sir_lewk> meh, I think it's time to start drinking tonight
04:18 < Merthsoft> Randomist: i tried rewriting it as a while loop and that didn't work either
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04:20 < BrandonW> Michael_V, has there ever been any thought to signing an OS or application oncalc?
04:21 <+Michael_V> apps, yes
04:21 <+Michael_V> but the potential usefulness is limited
04:21 <+Michael_V> I'm not sure why you would *need* to
04:21 < BrandonW> Patching the OS and then re-signing yourself as valid for future calc<->calc transfers?
04:21 < Merthsoft> Randomist: when i put "for ((x=0; x<10; x++)); do echo $x; done" into a script, it does not work
04:22 <+Michael_V> That would be one reason although I prefer PC-side patching
04:22 <+Michael_V> it just makes more sense to patch an 8xu
04:23  * Randomist is fixing two other computers...is idling.
04:23 < Merthsoft> :(
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04:24 < sir_lewk> couldn't you potentially do cool stuff with a self-modifying OS if it could sign itself though?
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04:24 < TheStorm> Michael_V, gah translating code from eVB to VB.net is going to be a pain.
04:25 < TheStorm> it would most likely be easier of I knew more of either but still
04:25 <+Michael_V> why do you need vb.net again?
04:25 < sir_lewk> superb question
04:26 < TheStorm> because eVB is nologer supported and finding the runtimes is a PITA, and teh eVB UI setup is less Phone Friendly
04:26 < i_c-Y> Randomist: this isn't twitter
04:26 <+Michael_V> ah well as I said, it was for HPCs, some of which have CE 2.11 :)
04:27 <+Michael_V> and in particular, different CPUs
04:27 <+Michael_V> MIPS, ARM, SH3
04:27 < TheStorm> well its mroe that the UI standards have changed from the time of HPC's
04:27 <+Michael_V> I know
04:27 <+Michael_V> that's why I was surprised that it ran well on a PPC phone
04:28 < TheStorm> the main issue is the lack of the the config being full screen, and the [x] button is gone
04:28 < Merthsoft> what're you gusy talking about
04:28 <+Michael_V> quackenchat!
04:28 <@E-J> i_c-Y: this is far better and so on than twitter
04:28 <+Michael_V> my random foray into HPC programs
04:29 < Merthsoft> what is it
04:29 <+Michael_V> an IRC client for Windows CE HPCs
04:29 < TheStorm> I jsut hope the network code will port over or this will be entirely useless
04:29 < Merthsoft> oh
04:30 < TheStorm> the UI stuff is just time consuming to transfer
04:30 < TheStorm> really if eVB was still supported I'd just make one or tow minor changes and it'd be set
04:31 < sir_lewk> I have too much vodka
04:31 <@E-J> Michael_V: is there putty or other ssh client for them?
04:31 < sir_lewk> 3 liters to be precise
04:31 < sir_lewk> free drinks for everyone!
04:31 <+Michael_V> there is "pocketputty"
04:31 <+Michael_V> last I tried it, it didn't completely work
04:31 < TheStorm> I think one of the HPC forums still had the dev tools so I could theoretically use that
04:31 < TheStorm> Michael_V, it works great for me
04:31 <@E-J> ah
04:31 <+Michael_V> perhaps on modern hardware
04:32 <+Michael_V> boy I hate HPCs
04:32 < TheStorm> E-J the newest version of PocketPutty works great for me
04:32 < TheStorm> Michael_V, why?
04:32 <+Michael_V> I've wasted thousands of dollars on them
04:32 <+Michael_V> since 1997 when I bought one with CE 1.0
04:32 <+Michael_V> I always was enamored with the idea
04:32 <+Michael_V> but they never were useful
04:32 <+Michael_V> I never learned my lesson though
04:32 <+Michael_V> at least not until recently
04:32 < TheStorm> ahh, and now netbooks basically took any market they could have had
04:33 <+Michael_V> good
04:33 < sir_lewk> netbooks are pretty slick
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04:34 < TheStorm> I think some phone manufacturers are combining smart phones with them, using the full Windows CE instead of WinMo
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04:36 < TheStorm> which since VGA screens are getting smaller I'm all for, I really wish my HTC Touch was VGA and not QCGA
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04:39 <+Netham45> i have a netbook, and a winmo smartphone
04:40 <+Netham45> I actually use both a considerable amount, too.
04:41 <@E-J> sir_lewk: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R-9gzmQHoe0
04:42 <@E-J> maybe even with www. and not m.
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04:56 < BrandonW> There's a lot of strange MD5 test code in the boot code.
04:56 < BrandonW> That "message digest" string in there, they hash that in a loop over and over.
04:56 < DrDnar> They hash the text "message digest"
04:56 < DrDnar> ?
04:56 < BrandonW> Yes.
04:57 < DrDnar> That's . . . ironic . . . 
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05:04 <+Michael_V> well TI is strange
05:04 < BrandonW> well yes
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05:19 <+Michael_V> hmm
05:20 <+Michael_V> gizmodo picked up the WSJ calc story
05:20 <+Michael_V> http://gizmodo.com/5355805/old-school-calculators-still-do-it-for-some
05:27 < sir_lewk> slick
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05:30 < sir_lewk> who is that adrew munsell nerd?
05:32 <+Michael_V> no idea
05:32 <+Michael_V> I remember the reporter asking me if I had heard of "TI wizard" though
05:32 <+Michael_V> http://tiwizard.com/
05:32 <+Michael_V> (I hadn't)
05:32 <+Michael_V> I think the reporter just did a google search
05:32 <+Michael_V> had he checked the "ti wizard" forum, he'd see no posts
05:32 <+Michael_V> and thus a one man site
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05:34 < DrDnar> Please note, Garbage Collection may take anywhere from seconds, to minutes, or even up to a half-an-hour, but after you Garbage Collect, you might notice a speed difference-- your calculator might seem faster.
05:34 < DrDnar> Wrong.
05:34 < BrandonW> No, it might seem faster.
05:34 < BrandonW> It's not, but it might seem that way.
05:34 < DrDnar> Ah. That is indeed true.
05:34 < DrDnar> IIRC, by the specs, even on an SE it shouldn't take more than 20 minutes.
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05:35 <+Michael_V> yes
05:36 < sir_lewk> hmm
05:36 < Randomist> Friggin twenty minutes?
05:36 <+Michael_V> I never had it take that long
05:36 <+Michael_V> well
05:36 <+Michael_V> that or I don't remember :)
05:36 < Randomist> Must be some sloooooooooow Flash they got in ther.
05:36 <+Michael_V> consider the worst case scenario though
05:37 <+Michael_V> there's going to be a huge difference between the number of operations required to garbage collect depending on how fragmented the space is
05:37 < DrDnar> That's assuming every erase takes the maximum 30 seconds and every write takes that maximum whatever.
05:37 < DrDnar> And assuming every byte of every sector is used and totally rewritten, which would never actually happen.
05:37 < Spengo> hmm
05:38 < Spengo> I wish I, or someone as cool as me had bill gates's money
05:38 < Spengo> we could totally build an interstellar spaceship with modern technology
05:38 < Spengo> I dunno why anyone doesn't
05:38 <+Michael_V> because it's a long way to the nearest star?
05:38 < DrDnar> The whole nuclear part of it seems to be troublesome.
05:39 <+Michael_V> ever hear of the orion project?
05:39 < Spengo> use chemical fuel to accelerate and a bussard ramjet once you have enough speed
05:39 <+Michael_V> that's what we should have done
05:39 <+Michael_V> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29
05:39 < Spengo> indeed
05:39 < DrDnar> Nuclear rockets are so cool.
05:39 < Spengo> there is also a very crude and simple way of launching a huge spacehip into space
05:39 < Spengo> get a bigass steel plate
05:40 < Spengo> and I mean bigass
05:40 < Spengo> and set off a nuke under it
05:40 < Spengo> you're DONE
05:40 < Spengo> you could launch as much shit as you wanted into space with that
05:41 < DSP_Lord> ...lol.
05:41 < DrDnar> If you could make a nuclear fusion engine, you could take a few tens of kilos of hydrogen and have basically unlimited energy.
05:41 < DSP_Lord> somehow i think it's not that easy, Spengo.
05:41 < Spengo> DSP_Lord, and why not
05:41 < Spengo> people have experimented with this idea before
05:41 < Spengo> sent a steel plate into orbit with a nuke
05:41 < Spengo> just do that on a larger scale
05:41 < DrDnar> Getting cold would never be a problem, even in the outer solar system.
05:42 < _Digital> getting warm owuld be on the other hand
05:43 < Spengo> so pack enough fuel to last you 20 years or so
05:43 < Spengo> hit up alpha centauri and come back
05:43 < DrDnar> You can't throw, toss, cannon, or explode anything into orbit. You could send it to the moon, but you need an active delta-v source once you're at the right altitude to go into orbit.
05:44 < Spengo> keep exploding bombs under the plate for acceleration
05:44 < DrDnar> That's an active source of delta-v.
05:44 < DrDnar> A single bomb couldn't do it, though.
05:44 < Spengo> switch to chemical fuels when you're high enough, or as Michael_V suggested orion project propulsion
05:44 < DrDnar> Orion was nuclear bombs.
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05:47 < DrDnar> " And calculator enthusiasts complain the new model limits what kind of tinkering they can do." That's an understatement.
05:48 < Spengo> >A nuclear pulse drive starship powered by matter-antimatter pulse units would be theoretically capable of obtaining a velocity between 50% to 80% of the speed of light.
05:48 < Spengo> what's a matter-antimatter pulse
05:48 < DrDnar> A warp core?
05:49 < Spengo> yeah seriously :P
05:49 <+Michael_V> no
05:49 <+Michael_V> warp cores are faster than light :)
05:50 < Spengo> but man, 50%-80% of the speed of light
05:50 < Spengo> that's fast
05:50 < Spengo> could easily do trips to alpha centauri
05:50 < Spengo> no sweat
05:50 <+Michael_V> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3308109.stm
05:50 <+Michael_V> or is it? :P
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05:55 < Spengo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob <-- this is the one I was thinking of
05:55 < Spengo> couldn't find their plate so they assumed it went to space lol
05:56 < Spengo> hm
05:57 < Spengo> if i had bill gates's money, I would buy a small island, hire some PMC group to make sure nobody who enters ever leaves (at least not until launch time) and build myself a space city to launch with nukes
06:00 < BrandonW> I think you want to be Hugo Drax.
06:00 < DSP_Lord> ...
06:00 < DSP_Lord> that's a Bond villian, isn't it.
06:00 < BrandonW> Yes.
06:00 < DSP_Lord> ok.
06:01 < DSP_Lord> i don't remember which one, but i thought i recognized that.
06:01 < BrandonW> Moonraker.
06:01 < DSP_Lord> ah.
06:05 < Spengo> that was a terrible movie
06:06 < Spengo> not as bad as the one where spectre was using that evil spaceship to omnomnom soviet and american spaceships though
06:06 < Spengo> because some 3rd world country that could benefit from a war between them was paying spectre... TEN... MILLLION dollars to do it
06:07 < Spengo> and so james bond trained as a ninja and invaded their secret base that was inside a mountain with an army of ninjas
06:07 < Spengo> their base that looked like it cost oh.. only a few trillion to build
06:08 < Spengo> on her majesty's secret service was pretty bad too
06:08 < Spengo> where he married that girl that died in the last 2 minutes
06:11 < DSP_Lord> i need to get around to watching/owning all the Bond films.
06:11 < DSP_Lord> i must say one of my favorites was whichever one had Walken in it.
06:11 < DSP_Lord> and the horses and whatnot.
06:12 < Spengo> I really liked the new casino royale
06:12 < Spengo> probably one of the best james bond movies
06:12 < DSP_Lord> there wasn't an 'old' Casino Royale, iirc.
06:12 < Spengo> well there was that comedy thingy
06:12 < DSP_Lord> the spoof film?
06:12 < Spengo> it was a james bond parody thing
06:13 < Spengo> yeah
06:13 < DSP_Lord> yeah, that doesn't count :P
06:13 < Spengo> lol
06:13 < DSP_Lord> i haven't seen Quantum of Solace yet, is it any good?
06:13 < BrandonW> No.
06:14 < Spengo> it's okay
06:14 < Spengo> not nearly as good as casino royale
06:14 < Spengo> it didn't flow very well
06:14 < Spengo> kind of hard to follow, and too much action and not enough intrigue
06:15 < Spengo> I think it was mostly becuase they tried to carry over some of the casino royal story into it
06:15 < Spengo> hopefully since there is nothing to carry over anymore the next film will be better again
06:24 < BrandonW> We more than likely are done sieving the date stamp key.
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06:49 <+jujaga> hmmm... noone on?
06:50 < DrDnar> Noone is not on. He is elsewhere.
06:50 <+jujaga> dang
06:50 < DrDnar> There are, however, others beside Noone.
06:50 <+jujaga> ooo yay
06:53 <+jujaga> im bored
06:54 < Randomist> Pacman Roulette?
06:55 <+jujaga> whats that
06:55 < Randomist> !give jujaga bbs Pacman Roulette
06:55 < Randomist> Oh, wait.
06:56 < Randomist> I'm thinking this is another channel.
06:56  * jujaga confused
06:56 < Randomist> I just happened to look down and say "#TCPA."
06:56 < Randomist> * saw
06:57 < DSP_Lord> get used to it, Randomist rarely makes sense.
06:57 < Randomist> My mind is in two places right now.  :P
06:57 <+jujaga> my mind likes waffles
06:58 < Randomist> http://ia311325.us.archive.org/1/items/WintervenomArtworkCollection/Scott_Garrett-Waffles.png
06:58 < DrDnar> Ooh, MS Paint!
06:59  * jujaga is hungry
07:00 < Randomist> I am, too.  I can't wait until the breakfast that I never wake up in time for.
07:00 <+jujaga> lol
07:00 < Randomist> Their French toast is awwwwesome.
07:02 <+jujaga> *fires a sine wave at the waffle*
07:03 <+jujaga> wavy waffles
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07:06 < BrandonW> This signing code is taking a really really long time to run.
07:06 < BrandonW> I think it would work, though.
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07:14 < BrandonW> I think this would take at least ten minutes on an 83+SE.
07:20  * Randomist paces back and forth, waiting for packages to update on a Flash drive in a machine that does is not USB 2.0-compliant.
07:20 < Randomist> * that is no
07:29 < BrandonW> This...code doesn't work at all.
07:29 < BrandonW> All the logic is sound, I think.
07:30 < BrandonW> Signing stuff sucks.
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08:03 < BrandonW> WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?!
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08:03 < efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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08:34 < BrandonW> Finally.
08:34 < BrandonW> Oncalc OS and application signing.
08:37 < BrandonW> Oncalc OS patches that actually fix the checksum and re-sign the OS are on the way.
08:37 < BrandonW> Just unreal.
08:38 < DrDnar> ?
08:38 < DrDnar> On the way but unreal?
08:38 < BrandonW> Yes.
08:38 < BrandonW> I still don't believe it.
08:38 < DrDnar> So it does work?
08:38 < BrandonW> yES.
08:38 < BrandonW> It works.
08:39 < BrandonW> Generated the exact same signature.
08:39 < DSP_Lord> so, BrandonW.
08:39 < DSP_Lord> i am curious to know what you will do once you accomplish everything ever.
08:39 < BrandonW> Explode.
08:39 < DSP_Lord> clearly.
08:39 < DrDnar> Everything ever will include the Nspire.
08:39 < DrDnar> That'll take a while.
08:39 < BrandonW> Over 2 minutes to get to 25% done...
08:40 < BrandonW> It's slow.
08:40 < BrandonW> But it does work.
08:40 < DrDnar> 'Bout as slow as USB ROM dump.
08:41 < BrandonW> I acknowledge this is completely useless, but come on, re-signing the OS oncalc.
08:41 < BrandonW> I never would've thought it possible.
08:41 < DrDnar> Nonsense. Now you write a nice IDE. Like that one unnameable one DS was supposed to do.
08:42 < DrDnar>  Now you can* write a nice IDE.
08:42 < BrandonW> One that can't be named?
08:42 < DSP_Lord> uh...
08:43 < DSP_Lord> Titan?
08:43 < DrDnar> Actually, now you're a part of DS. You can write Titan.
08:43 < BrandonW> I've wrapped a boot code subroutine in a very horrible way, so it's possible this could be sped up, but probably not by much.
08:43  * DSP_Lord has no idea.
08:43 < DSP_Lord> and i guess i guessed correctly.
08:43 < DrDnar> Live up to the vision of the mock-up that never was.
08:43 < BrandonW> Like the MirageOS update and all the other stuff I'm supposed to do?
08:43 < BrandonW> I'm one man!
08:44 < DrDnar> They want you to update MirageOS too?
08:44 < BrandonW> I'm the only one willing to do it now.
08:44 < BrandonW> The only one in DS, that is.
08:44 < DrDnar> BrandonW is now the entirety of Detached Solutions.
08:44 < DSP_Lord> apparently.
08:45 < BrandonW> And ironically enough, I haven't released a single thing for them.
08:45 < DrDnar> I thought the MirageOS source was lost?
08:45 < BrandonW> I have it.
08:45 < DrDnar> The disassembly? Or the real source?
08:45 < BrandonW> The 1.3b9 source was lost, I think, yes.
08:45 < BrandonW> The real thing.
08:45 < DrDnar> Ah.
08:45 < BrandonW> Which is really kind of a mess.
08:45 < BrandonW> I was going to complete my ZDS disassembly of it.
08:46 < BrandonW> Just to say I had completely reverse-engineered a whole application.
08:46 < DrDnar> So you could disassemble 1.3b9 and incorporate the changes.
08:46 < BrandonW> Yes.
08:46 < BrandonW> I already have it assembling in ZDS.
08:46 < BrandonW> I just have to finish the audit of all the code.
08:46 < BrandonW> For the hard-coded references and stuff.
08:46 < BrandonW> So that I can actually...you know...move stuff around.
08:47 < DrDnar> After you write a new OS and finish Print8x.
08:47 < BrandonW> You guys made me lose track, but it was something like 9 minutes to sign something oncalc.
08:47 < BrandonW> At 15MHz.
08:47 < BrandonW> And interrupts disabled.
08:47 < DrDnar> Does it use the extra RAM any?
08:47 < BrandonW> Not at all, it would work fine on an 83+.
08:48 < BrandonW> Or even a 73.
08:48 < DrDnar> It'd just take 25 mintues.
08:48 < BrandonW> But it's oncalc!
08:48 < DrDnar> w00t
08:48 < DrDnar> App signing should be much faster.
08:49 < DrDnar> Maybe one minute?
08:49 < BrandonW> It won't be any different.
08:49 < BrandonW> All the keys are almost the same.
08:49 < DrDnar> Is the speed of the signing based on the key size, not data size?
08:50 < BrandonW> The key size, yes. They all have 64-byte exponents.
08:50 < BrandonW> The boot code subroutine I'm using does a * b % n, and the power mod function is basically taking the LSB of the exponent and calling that subroutine. It was designed to only be called 5 times, but I'm calling it like 500 times.
08:50 < BrandonW> Because the exponent no longer fits in A (17), it's a big integer.
08:51 < BrandonW> "exponent" meaning the private key exponent, which is just as big as the public key.
08:51 < BrandonW> 17 being the public key exponent, which is obviously much less work.
08:52 < DrDnar> Still, we only need to sign an app when we want to send it, so it shouldn't be so bad.
08:52 < DrDnar> For testing you can write it to flash and mark it as valid.
08:53 < BrandonW> I'm thinking of just making a separate standalone program that, when run, fixes the checksum and re-signs the OS.
08:53 < BrandonW> Run it if you want, or don't.
08:53 < BrandonW> I'll try and clean this crap up and release the source, for everyone's perusal.
08:55 < BrandonW> http://pastebin.com/m27388359 I'm well-aware of the awfulness.
08:55 < BrandonW> I was about to give up and go sleep from losing my mind.
08:56 < BrandonW> Not even the comments are right.
08:56 < BrandonW> I'm ashamed.
08:56 < BrandonW> But this is what I get for working on this at 5AM on a workday.
08:58 < BrandonW> That's the 0103 key, by the way.
08:58 < BrandonW> Getting the hash and signature for an 89K was the quickest thing to do.
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09:19 < BrandonW> The date stamp key is in the final phase right now, BUT we're not out of the woods yet, we might still need more relations.
09:19 < BrandonW> So a little while longer and we'll be able to safely say we're done sieving.
09:19 < BrandonW> On the current BOINC project anyway.
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12:11 < efneTI92> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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14:30 <@E-J> http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/125258430929.jpg
14:32 < jr19> i wonder if krisk got his mb
14:35 <@E-J> millibit?
15:05 < jr19> motherboard
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15:08 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
15:13 < Randomist> Morning classes suck.
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15:14 < Spengo> wow
15:14 < Spengo> my computer is like 10x quieter now
15:14 < Spengo> I finally got around to blowing the dust out lol
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16:18 < Randomist> Time to sleep again, since I missed class.  >.>
16:24 < DSP_Lord> E-J, i'd kick you for that, but i can't.
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17:24 <+krisk> yays i has a mb
17:41 < jr19> did you put your stuff together yet
17:41 <+krisk> i'm about to
17:44 < jr19> neat
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17:47 <+krisk> hmm.. no power cable...
17:47 <+krisk> oh wait found it
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17:49 < jr19> lol
17:49 < jr19> that would be unforutnate
17:49 < jr19> unfortunate*
17:50 <+krisk> hehe yeah, i think i have a spare one somewhere though
17:50 <+krisk> hey do you know what a little pack of silica gel is for?
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17:52 < leofox> krisk: keeps out the moisture i think
17:53 <+krisk> ahh cool thanks
17:53 <@Andy_J> it's good on popcorn
17:53 <@Andy_J> (not really)
17:54 <+krisk> hehe
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18:00 < jr19> yep just a moisture absorber
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18:17 <+krisk> i hate that thin metal thingy that comes with the mb and is supposed to go between it and the case around all the connector thingies
18:18 <@Andy_J> the radiation shield?
18:18 <+krisk> radiation? wat?
18:18 <+krisk> i suppose it keeps out dust
18:18 <+krisk> and has colours/logos for what devices to plug in where
18:19 <@Andy_J> ... and it prevents EM radiation from leaking
18:20 <+krisk> k
18:20 <+krisk> on one side it has all these little metal thingies
18:21 <+krisk> the side that touches the mb connectors
18:21 <@Andy_J> they're just guides
18:22 <+krisk> for what? they just get in the way
18:23 <+krisk> woah wait a second, is it a good idea to install comp stuff with a magnetic screwdriver?
18:24 < leofox> krisk its fine
18:24 < leofox> just dont touch any funny parts
18:24 <@Andy_J> it shouldn't hurt anything
18:24 <@Andy_J> those magnets are weak
18:24 < leofox> its handy for when your screws fall in the casing
18:24 <+krisk> yeah
18:25 <+krisk> just dont want to nuke the bios or anything
18:27 <@Andy_J> I don't think flash is magnetically sensitive
18:30 <+krisk> how do you connect case lighting so it stays on when the pc is off?
18:30 < leofox> connect it to an external power source?
18:31 <+krisk> isnt the psu powered even when the mb is off?
18:33 <+krisk> lwall i got ddr2 memory for a ddr3 mb
18:33 < leofox> krisk I dont think so
18:34 < leofox> maybe a little bit, for the BIOS and such, to check if the user wants to turn the PC on
18:40 <@Andy_J> there's a 5v trickle
18:40 <@Andy_J> on pin 9
18:41 <@Andy_J> but it probably delivers a very small amount of current
18:43 < leofox> its probably pretty easy to make a circuit that switches to batteries if you shut down the PC
18:43 < leofox> extra credit if you make it charge itself
18:47 <+krisk> stupid ram slot standards
18:53 < BrandonW> The date stamp key has been in phase 3 for many hours now, and if it ends up failing, the others on BOINC will sieve any new work units added for it, so if you want, shut your clients down and stick a fork in it, because we're done.
18:54 < BrandonW> Thanks everyone who contributed.
18:59 < BrandonW> 9 minutes and 27 seconds to re-sign the OS oncalc, on an 84+SE at 15MHz and interrupts disabled.
18:59 <+krisk> i like how the cpu cooler always get in the way of ram
18:59 <+krisk> its probably part of the ATX standard
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19:11 < jr19> damn standards
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19:13 <@E-J> visited local big book store today that sells calcs as well, didn't see nspire, but they do sell 84+
19:14 <@E-J> ... and 3 different versions of 30XII
19:14 <@chronomex> heh
19:14 < BrandonW> Even Wal-Mart sells the Nspire!
19:15 <+krisk> people who decide on the length of the psu cables should also be shot
19:16 <+krisk> they are always too short to tug away neatly and have to span over the videocard or cooler
19:16 <@E-J> BrandonW: well akaateminen kirjakauppa and suomalainen kirjakauppa won't sell
19:23 < leofox> ja precies E-J
19:23 < leofox> dat is echt een kutnaam
19:23 <@E-J> leofox: eikös olekin
19:23 < leofox> ja, echt wel
19:23 < leofox> het stomme is alleen, dat jij dit waarschijnlijk prima kunt lezen
19:23 < asmand> E-J: kai osallistut aaltokymppiin? :)
19:24 < leofox> terwijl Fins zo'n raar brabbeltaaltje is dat niemand er iets van snapt
19:24 <@E-J> asmand: millä kunnolla :)
19:24 < jr19> damn it is hot here today
19:24 <@E-J> asmand: sä meet?
19:24 < leofox> E-J: do you understand the gist of what i'm typing?
19:24 < asmand> E-J: puolimaratoniin
19:25 < jr19> het is hier heet
19:25 <@E-J> leofox: one word there, one word elsewhere, whole message? no
19:25 < leofox> jr19: :O
19:25 < asmand> dutch has many vowels...
19:25 < leofox> E-J: I said that you probably understand the gist of what i'm saying but I will never understand finnish because it's very much gibberish
19:25 < asmand> we actually have one dutch guy at work
19:25 <@E-J> asmand: ai, no ei sullakaan ole kaikki aivosolut toiminnassa enää kun tommosia hulluja juokset :)
19:26 < jr19> i dont understand anything but spanish
19:26 <@E-J> jr19: not even english?
19:26 < jr19> and english of course
19:26 < leofox> I can speak English and Dutch
19:26 < leofox> and I can pretty much read French, German and such
19:27 < leofox> I once looked at Norwegian and it was pretty easy to follow the gist of the story even though I never studied it
19:27 <@E-J> i can speak english and finnish, and i can say to swedish speaking people that i don't speak swedish in swedish
19:27 < asmand> E-J: viime viikonloppuna oli ecross maastojuoksu leppävaarassa
19:27 < leofox> E-J; yeah i can do that in some languages too
19:27 < asmand> E-J: juoksin 7km luokassa
19:27 <@E-J> asmand: monesko olit, vai oliko numerolappua?
19:27 < leofox> I know how to ask for English in Thai and Japanese
19:27 < asmand> I can't speak Finnish :P
19:27 < asmand> E-J: 81 / 235
19:28 <@E-J> aika hyvi
19:28 < asmand> olen ihan tyytyväinen
19:28 < asmand> 39:42 7km maasto
19:28 <@E-J> and asmand writes very good finnish despite the fact that he can't speak it
19:29 <+krisk> schroef het moederbord op de duwstiften
19:29 < leofox> kijárat és bejárat
19:29 <@E-J> joo kai toi on ihan hyvä aika, yhtään ei osaa sanoa noista
19:30 < leofox> is Hungarian similar to finnish?
19:30 <@E-J> paitsi että yli 6h maratonilla on ilmeisesti paska aika :P
19:30 <@E-J> leofox: nope, some same words, similar grammar are almost only things that are related
19:31 <@E-J> estonian is close and karelian
19:31 < leofox> ok
19:31 < leofox> I went to Hungary and the language made me think of Finnish
19:31 <@E-J> lappish is little closer than hungarian but it's also litlle far
19:32 < leofox> because it was gibberish with many accents and vowels and long words
19:32 <@E-J> iirc they have articles, finnish don't
19:32 <@E-J> doesn't*
19:33 <@E-J> https://www.akateeminenkirjakauppa.fi/opencms/export/sites/default/Verkkokauppa/images/paanosto_fff_eng.jpg
19:34 < leofox> whats articles?
19:34 < asmand> time for bed
19:35 < leofox> is that the same as grammatical case?
19:35 <@E-J> leofox: articles in english are 'a', 'an' and 'the'
19:35 <@E-J> german der die das
19:35 < leofox> oooh
19:35 < leofox> lidwoorden
19:35 < leofox> I dont know any of the grammar terms in English
19:36 < leofox> it's a big gap in my vocabulary
19:37 <+krisk> same here
19:37 <+krisk> well i know the basic ones
19:37 <+krisk> articles are things in papers though
19:39 < jr19> articles of clothing?
19:39 <+krisk> or that
19:40 <@E-J> leofox: hungarian has cases little more than finnish, when finnish have 15, hungarian have something like 30
19:43 < leofox> what
19:43 < leofox> finnish has 15 cases?
19:43 < leofox> thats retarded
19:44 < leofox> lol, the wikipedia articles about grammatical cases still explains them using Marcus et Cornelia
19:45 < leofox> there was a very popular book for studying Latin that used Marcus et Cornelia in every example
19:47 <@E-J> leofox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_grammar#Cases finnish have cases while english have prepositions
19:47 < leofox> oh
19:48 < leofox> the names are the same though?
19:48 < leofox> nominative, accusative etc
19:48 < leofox> it kind of looks like how Japanese does it
19:48 < leofox> Japanese doesnt have cases or anything like that
19:48 < leofox> they just have a bunch of suffixes that they use as prepositions
19:50 <@E-J> yeah, names are same
19:50 <@E-J> apparently your language's wikipedia has same kind of table http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fins#Illustratie:_tabel_met_naamvalsvormen
19:52  * Randomist groans.
19:54 < Randomist> No more staying up to fix computers for me.  *Head to desk.*
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19:57 <+krisk> so now i have to order ddr3 ram
19:57 <+krisk> blub
19:57 < jr19> my mom has sent me like 4 emails saying that the rabbit that my sister left behind when she moved out is dying
19:57 < jr19> jesus
19:58 < jr19> you dont have the right kind of RAM?
19:58 <+krisk> no i ordered ddr2 but its a ddr3 mb
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19:58 <+krisk> it can go in my current pc so its not a loss
19:58 <+krisk> just a delay
19:59 < Randomist> My mom needs to learn how to write (or to type), anyway.
19:59 < Randomist> She writes e-mails and text messages in fluent teenager shorthand.
20:01 < Randomist> She also loves that all-caps key.
20:01 <+krisk> GO 2 UR ROOM
20:02 < jr19> my mom just uses too many commas when she writes
20:10 <@E-J> my godmother writes sms's in all caps
20:10 <@E-J> though she is over 70
20:11 <+krisk> damn, cheap ddr3 ram timings are like 9-9-9-24 <_<
20:11 <+krisk> (is that bad?)
20:11 < leofox> my old phone could only do SMS in caps
20:11 < leofox> krisk: it;s ok
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20:11 <+krisk> i also see cl7 but those look even cheaper
20:11 < leofox> it's probably faster dan ddr2 with cl5
20:11 <+krisk> k cool
20:11 < leofox> and it's better that old ddr3 that had cl13
20:11 <+krisk> it used to mean something you know
20:12 < leofox> it still does
20:12 < leofox> but the impact on performance isnt that big
20:12 <+krisk> 2x Corsair Value S. DDR3 1333MHz 2GB CL9 then?
20:13 <+krisk> maybe ill get a tb drive for it while im ordering extra stuff anyway
20:13 < leofox> corsair is great
20:13 <+krisk> yeah but value s ?
20:13 < leofox> arent you getting triple channel?
20:13 <+krisk> wat?
20:13 < leofox> DDR3 has triple channel now
20:13 < leofox> if your mobo supports it
20:13 <+krisk> well yeah but goddamn thats 120 euro on ram + 60 of the ddr2 stuff i now have left over
20:14 <+krisk> it was supposed to be a budget gaman pc
20:14 < leofox> triple channel is something that is going to matter
20:15 < TheStorm> anyone know if there are any RS-232 libraries for The TI'calc's?
20:15 <+krisk> doign what? I cant say ive ever noticed a difference
20:15 <@Andy_J> libticables ?
20:15 <+krisk> the only difference with ram ive ever noticed is from getting more of it
20:15 < TheStorm> Andy_J, i mean useing the calc as a host
20:15 <@Andy_J> the calc doesn't have enough pins for RS-232
20:15 < Randomist> * TI-calcs
20:16 < TheStorm> Andy_J, I meant useing an adapter of sort
20:16 < TheStorm> s
20:16 < jr19> i dont know if i even noticed anything when i went from 1GB to 2GB in my laptop
20:16 < TheStorm> Andy_J, does the Graphlink use rs-232?
20:16 < leofox> my PC barely uses more than 1GB
20:16 <@Andy_J> I don't think RS-232 means what you think it means...
20:16 < leofox> but I like the extra memory
20:16 < TheStorm> I think my professer was confusing me then
20:17 <@Andy_J> the gray graphlink cable talks RS-232 on the DE-9 side.
20:17 < TheStorm> ok thats what I wanted to know
20:17 <@Andy_J> but you can't just use that as an adatper
20:18 <@Andy_J> well
20:18 <@Andy_J> you have to talk in what TI expects you to talk in
20:18 < TheStorm> Hmm ok, isn't that how the telnet thing works though
20:21 < TheStorm> I'll take a look either way I either need to build a PIC link or buy a graphlink
20:22 <+krisk> they made up triple channel just to sell more ram didnt they
20:23 <@Andy_J> TheStorm: why do you need RS-232, of all unholy protocols?
20:23 < TheStorm> To talk to a Roomba of course
20:23 < BrandonW> From the calculator?
20:23 <@Andy_J> so you'd be the DTE?
20:24 <@Andy_J> I don't think the graphlink cable would support that.
20:24 < TheStorm> BrandonW, yes
20:24 <@Andy_J> It's designed to be a DCE.
20:24 < BrandonW> That sounds neat.
20:25 < TheStorm> In my intro COEN class we're messing with the roombas and we're sopposed to use Java but I'd rather use z80 ASM :P
20:25 < TheStorm> and that way it can be portable
20:26 < TheStorm> since they won't let us use C directly on the device
20:26  * Randomist tries Opere Ten.
20:28 <@E-J> i tried it at windows and linux, was faster on windows, but not fastest
20:28 < Randomist> Chrome is probably still the fastest there.
20:29 < BrandonW> I don't know anything about it, what can you tell it?
20:29 < BrandonW> Like remote control it?
20:30 < BrandonW> Telnet83 had to use the graylink cable, I'm not sure what if any translation it's doing. I've forgotten all that stuff, but if you had to pick a cable to use, I would go with that one.
20:31 < Randomist> My virtual machine has taken a tumble like Scarlet.
20:31 < Randomist> Time to reboot.
20:31 <+krisk> ddr3 is expensive :(
20:31 <@E-J> Randomist: actually, safari was fastest http://users.tkk.fi/~relamsa/turhaa/kuvia/peacekeeper.png
20:32 <@E-J> safari for windows
20:32 < Randomist> Gasp!
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20:32 <+krisk> i did buy a pair of these though: http://www.scapino.nl/product/125_123472/schoenen/dames/pantoffels/fun-pantoffel-tijgerpoot/
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20:34 <+krisk> leofox: i have amd cpu, no triple channel support
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20:37 < jr19> :(
20:37 < jr19> just by looking at the link, i assumed some type of fun tiger boot
20:37 < jr19> i was pretty close
20:37 <+krisk> yes
20:41 < TheStorm> BrandonW, yeah thats what I figured
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20:53 < efneTI92> [Netham45] "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." -Scissors
20:54 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by Remius
20:56 < BrandonW> Yeah, the oncalc OS signer's not getting any faster.
20:56 < TheStorm> but does it work?
20:56 < BrandonW> Yes, it works perfectly.
20:57 < BrandonW> It runs for ten minutes, but it works.
20:58 < TheStorm> At least it works
20:59 < BrandonW> Now I have to embed the right key in there, write the code to MD5 hash the whole OS, erase the OS header sector, and write the new signature.
20:59 < BrandonW> I'm out of my mind for spending any time at all on this.
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21:03 <+Netham45> BrandonW, related to the bootloader?
21:04 < BrandonW> Not really, no.
21:04 < BrandonW> Just applying the factored keys to something.
21:05 <+Netham45> ah
21:08 < _Digital> so I have ym power supply for my photoshop rig
21:08 < _Digital> just need a cooler and my SSDs now
21:15 <+Netham45> cool.
21:15 <+Netham45> I just run photoshop on my netbook, works fine.
21:16 <+Netham45> don't even have an SSD.
21:16 <+krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUCyvw4w_yk
21:16 <+krisk> :o
21:20 < _Digital> Netham45, well for what I'm doing I need some pretty top end performance
21:21 < jr19> what are you doing?
21:22 <+Netham45> _Digital, ah. So far the only serious thing I've done in photoshop was remove the zits from one of my friends senior photos.
21:22 < _Digital> editing many 8MP photos at the same time and also running a couple thousand thorugh batch processing
21:22 <+krisk> next time use accutane
21:22 <+Netham45> krisk,.
21:22 <+Netham45> er
21:22 <+Netham45> krisk, lol.
21:23 <+krisk> http://zip.4chan.org/fit/src/1252617108950.jpg aww
21:23 < _Digital> the SSd is for a scratch disk primarily
21:23 < _Digital> SSSSSD*
21:23 < _Digital> I'ma snake today
21:24 < jr19> its a trap
21:24 <+Netham45> depending on the size you need, a ram drive might be better.
21:24 < _Digital> RAM drive is too small
21:24 <+Netham45> get 24GB of RAM onto an i7, and set up an 18GB ram drive. :P
21:24 < _Digital> looking for a portable computer
21:24 <+Netham45> You could boot an OS in that ramdrive.
21:25 < _Digital> and plus photoshop will not use greater than 4GB of RAM until recently
21:25 <+krisk> because 24gb ram is cheaper than a small ssd
21:25 <+krisk> (no)
21:25 < _Digital> but you cann having everything in just RAM, you will have to swap out and that i where teh SSds will reign supreme
21:26 < _Digital> okay, my typing is crappier than usual
21:27 < TD-Linux> using a SSD for a scratch disk is fail
21:27 < TD-Linux> well actually it depends on your usage
21:27 < TD-Linux> most important: is this a laptop?
21:27 < _Digital> no
21:28 < _Digital> and it's a photoshop scratch disk
21:28 < TD-Linux> for photoshop caching huge images?
21:28 < _Digital> for when photoshop has no more RAM left
21:29 < TD-Linux> hmm
21:29 < TD-Linux> unfortunately SSDs have poor write performance
21:29 < _Digital> you do know that these are small write correct?
21:29 < TD-Linux> random access writes are worse
21:30 < _Digital> an SSD, depending on which you get, is still far faster than an HDD
21:30 < TD-Linux> if most of the work is reading you're OK
21:30 < TD-Linux> yeah for random access reads, definitely
21:31 <+Netham45> _Digital, eh, I don't quite think SSDs are at that point yet, 'specially for random IO, as TD-Linux said.
21:31 <+Netham45> er, for random writes. Random reads are good due to low seek time.
21:31 <+Netham45> but, don't HDDs still reign for continious reads/writes?
21:31 < _Digital> this is just one benchmark I've seen. All others I've seen fit in line: http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3631&p=22
21:32 < TD-Linux> SSDs should be able to pwn HDDs for continuous reads
21:32 < TD-Linux> though maybe not for continuous writes
21:32 < _Digital> and in randoms
21:32 < TD-Linux> basically: read = good, write = bad
21:32 < _Digital> I'm not looking for moving huge files. I have HDDs that do writes at 120MB/sec
21:32 <+Netham45> oh, hmm.
21:33 < _Digital> TD, compare to a HDD for small files, you're wrong
21:33 < TD-Linux> it also depends on if the SSD is new or not
21:33 < _Digital> I'm aware of that
21:33 < TD-Linux> once all the available sectors are full, you have to start erasing
21:33 < _Digital> I've been following and doing my research over the past 6 months
21:34 < _Digital> there is garbage collection now
21:34 <+Netham45> _Digital, it still seems, to me, that more RAM would be more beneficial.
21:34 < _Digital> Netham45, to a point, but you can only go so far with RAM
21:34 < _Digital> the form factor that I need is a portable desktop
21:35 < _Digital> more effective solution get no better than 4 RAM slot, though 2 s more common
21:35 <+Netham45> You can probabally get an mATX mobo that'll support 8GB on an i7(4x2)
21:35 < _Digital> I've spent years in photoshop to know how it's performance is affected by different drives
21:36 < _Digital> RAM plays it's part, but once that is full, you have to go to disk
21:36 < _Digital> ramson I/O and latency is huge at this
21:36 < _Digital> random*
21:36 <+krisk> just wait for tb ram lol
21:36 <+Netham45> yea, that's why I'm saying make the RAM go further, and you won't need the disk to be as speedy.
21:37 < TD-Linux> how much disk do you use in photoshop?
21:37 < TD-Linux> in gimp I only have 2GB of ram and rarely go to swap
21:37 <+krisk> how much ram do you have now _Digital?
21:37 < TD-Linux> is photoshop 64bit?
21:38 < _Digital> Netham45, aside form tha casual photo, Photoshop still has a memory leak nature. I will hit disk not matter how much RAM I have. Especially when I get into my large photo work. Whether it is layers or panoramas
21:38 < _Digital> TD-Linux, it depends on what I'm doing at teh time
21:38 < _Digital> and it became 64-bit with CS4
21:38 < _Digital> krisk, in the computer I'll be using it in, 2GB
21:39 < TD-Linux> how much ram does the executable use when it hits swap?
21:39 < TD-Linux> or photoshop tile cache
21:39 < _Digital> I've had my fair share of working with 1, 2, and 3 GB configurations. Fast and slow disks
21:39 <+krisk> hmm you would expect 4-8 to be a requirement on photoshopping sooner than getting an SSD drive
21:39 < TD-Linux> _Digital: ehh, I can see how it would be a problem with serious photo editing and only 2GB of RAM
21:40 <+krisk> 4gb not being much in this case
21:40 < _Digital> even if I bump the RAM to 4 GB, the work that I'll be doing will still be disk bound
21:40 < TD-Linux> I edit 8-10 megapixel photos on only 2GB of RAM, but I can only have one or two open at a time
21:40 <+krisk> surely 8 or 16gb will be a lot cheaper and help a lot more than an ssd drive?
21:41 < _Digital> krisk, you have to consider how this computer will be used
21:41 < TD-Linux> well it sounds like _Digital knows what he wants
21:41 < _Digital> if it was just a desktop, I would agree
21:41 <+krisk> ok?
21:41 < _Digital> I cannot lug around a full tower, it's just not practical
21:41 <+krisk> how will this be used then?
21:42 < _Digital> portable, in field work
21:42 <+krisk> ah
21:42 < _Digital> I mentioned that earlier, but I could've been clearer apparently
21:42 <+krisk> im reading other stuff as well sorry
21:42 <+krisk> how much can it take max?
21:43 < _Digital> RAM? 4GB
21:43 <+krisk> ok then yeah ssd
21:43 < _Digital> I'll be putting two OCZ vertex SSDs in RAID 0 for boot and scratch disk
21:44 < _Digital> since I decided that they even improved the performance of teh OCZ Vertex
21:44 < _Digital> 40 to ~60MB/sec minimum compared to 10MB/sec max on a hard drive when photoshop hits disk
21:45 < _Digital> the speed difference between that and staying in RAM is negligible in real work work
21:45 < _Digital> a person can only work so fast in photoshop
21:50 <+krisk> will these be internal somehow?
21:51 < _Digital> what, the SSDs?
21:51 <+krisk> yeah
21:51 < _Digital> yup
21:51 <+krisk> ok cool
21:52 <+krisk> does it also have a large storage drive?
21:52 < _Digital> I have room for 2 3.5" drives. I'll put the SSDs thereI have have room for 2 optical drives and I may use one slot for a 1TB disk
21:53 <+krisk> cool
21:54 <+krisk> i was about to order another tb drive for my new system when i realised that would be very silly since i have 2 ide drives for my current one and can simply put the tb drive in the new
21:54  * Netham45 needs to upgrade the HDD in his netbook
21:54 <+Netham45> I filled up the 160GB on that pretty quickly. =/
21:55 <@chronomex> BrandonW: why can't you make it any faster? did you rewrite the bignum library and it just won't go?
21:55 < jr19> if i bought a netbook, there wouldn't be much on it
21:55 < jr19> browser, putty, pidgin maybe
21:55 < BrandonW> I'm not making any attempt to understand the awfulness that is TI's big integer multiply subroutine.
21:55 <+krisk> why get a netbook when you can get a touch pro 2 : D
21:55 < BrandonW> I'm simply calling one of their subroutines.
21:55 <+Netham45> krisk, I like my netbook.
21:56 <+krisk> i wanted to get a netbook at first too now im like.. wait a second.. i can do everything with my phone
21:56 <+Netham45> eh
21:56 <+Netham45> I can't do everything with my phone.
21:56 <+Netham45> I've been using my laptop a hella-lot at school this year.
21:56 <+krisk> plus it actually fits in my pocket and doesnt look like crap
21:56 < jr19> i need a phone i can do everything with
21:56 <@Nikky> Nobody cares Netham45 
21:56 <@Nikky> Shut up
21:56 <@Nikky> Thanks
21:56 < BrandonW> chronomex, their code fully supports this, it's just hard-coded to an exponent of 17. I'm just calling the subroutine many, many more times.
21:56 < jr19> in a couple months, i will have one :)
21:56 <+Netham45> Heya Nikky.
21:56 <+krisk> hi nikky
21:56 < jr19> hi nikky
21:56 <@Nikky> !k krisk Hi krisk
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21:57 < krisk> haha
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21:57 <@Nikky> What are you whores doing?
21:57 < BrandonW> Writing an oncalc OS signer.
21:57 < BrandonW> Using the keys.
21:57 <@Nikky> That sounds illegal.
21:57 < BrandonW> Probably.
21:57 < jr19> krisk is putting together a computer with no RAM
21:57 <@chronomex> BrandonW: ah, but is their implementation reasonably optimized?
21:57 <+krisk> reading S.T.A.L.K.E.R. comics translated from russian
21:57 <@chronomex> http://www.cockeyed.com/citizen/divorce/divorce.php
21:57 < BrandonW> It takes 10 minutes to run.
21:57 <@Nikky> That sounds very illegal.
21:57 < BrandonW> chronomex, quite possibly not. But like I said, I'm making no attempt to understand it or even rip it out of the boot code, I'm just jumping into it.
21:58 <@chronomex> aye
21:58 <+krisk> and yeah ill have to wait another day or two for ram because i ordered ddr2 instead of 3 lulz
21:58 <+Netham45> but, yea, krisk, I don't think that my phone(Samsung Blackjack II) would be reasonabally capable of the note-taking, and assignments I've been doing. :P
21:58 < BrandonW> Number theory is not my forte.
21:58 <@chronomex> yeah
21:58 < BrandonW> Someone else can do that if they don't want to wait 10 minutes.
21:59 <@chronomex> bignum math isn't so complex unless you try to optimize it :P
21:59 < BrandonW> The odds of someone even running this are pretty low anyway.
21:59 <+krisk> i believe you Netham45, just saying ive found my desire to get a netbook obsolete now that i have my new phone
21:59 <@Nikky> My netbook is lame.
21:59 < BrandonW> You match it!
21:59 <@Nikky> It can't do anything.
21:59 <+Netham45> funny, my netbook says that his Nikky's lame.
22:00 <+krisk> yay someone is interested in buying my bass guitar
22:01 <+krisk> and someone asked about my maudio mobile usb preamp
22:01 <+krisk> thatll help with paying for this ram nonsense :P
22:10 <@Nikky> Nobody cares.
22:11 <@chronomex> Nikky: nobody cares about your netbook either
22:12 <+krisk> i do
22:12 <+krisk> it is a very important netbook to me
22:14 <@Nikky> Go bite it chronomex 
22:14 <@chronomex> okay
22:15 < BrandonW> Nikky's being even more of an ass than usual today.
22:15 < BrandonW> What's wrong? :(
22:16  * mokomull had a vendor today call to make sure I could plug in and turn on the appliance they sent us.  It has a power cord and two network jacks.  How can one fuck that up?
22:16 < BrandonW> Network jacks?!
22:16 < BrandonW> Are they the same type?
22:16 < mokomull> yep
22:16 < BrandonW> You might plug them into the wrong places.
22:16 < BrandonW> The old switcheroo.
22:16 <@Nikky> :)
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22:17 < mokomull> shh we actually plugged in the wrong one, and had to reboot the box so it'd get a DHCP lease
22:17 < BrandonW> So you answered your own question.
22:17 < BrandonW> Not only CAN you fuck it up, you managed to do it.
22:17 < BrandonW> They had every reason to call you.
22:17 < mokomull> But we've had the thing like 3 days, he called us expecting that we hadn't done anything with it at all
22:17 < mokomull> and we're like "no, we've been playing with it, kthxbai"
22:18 < BrandonW> It's a busy world, we can't assume you know all about it.
22:18 < BrandonW> The vendor has to play it safe.
22:18 < BrandonW> And be helpful.
22:18 < BrandonW> To repeat, we're probably done sieving all the calculator keys, so you can kill your BOINC clients if you still have them open.
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22:19 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
22:21 < BrandonW> Midnight Saturday, we'll have the final date stamp key.
22:21 < TheStorm> woot
22:21 < BrandonW> As in Friday night/Saturday morning.
22:22 < BrandonW> I think I'm going to post the zip to the United TI thread.
22:22 < TheStorm> !seen Joel_S
22:22 <@efneTI86> TheStorm, I don't remember seeing joel_s.
22:22 < BrandonW> TI obviously either doesn't care, can't do anything about it, or isn't paying attention, so I think it'll be okay.
22:22 < TheStorm> lol
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22:23 < Kurt_> yo
22:23 < Kurt_> Is anybody actually in this channel?
22:24 < _Digital> yes
22:24 < Kurt_> Cool
22:24 < Kurt_> Kinda new to #tcpa
22:24 < _Digital> 54 people sans our bot count
22:24 < Kurt_> I meant active
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22:24 < TheStorm> Kurt_, yeah
22:24 < TheStorm> you just missed BrandonW saying stuff about calculators
22:24 < Kurt_> Anywa, I've been programming TI-BASIC on Ti-83+'s and my Ti-84 for about six years
22:24 < Merthsoft> :(
22:24 < Kurt_> I've never been here before, don't know him
22:25 < BrandonW> You do now!
22:25 < TheStorm> :P
22:25 < Merthsoft> he's the calc god
22:25 < TheStorm> ^
22:25 < Kurt_> ok...
22:25 < Kurt_> What did he code?
22:25 < TheStorm> MSD8x
22:25 < TheStorm> NoShell
22:25 < Kurt_> Hey dude
22:25 < BrandonW> A whole bunch of stuff.
22:25 < Kurt_> Any chance of an MSD8X update?
22:25 < Merthsoft> my heart
22:25 < BrandonW> It's Noshell, you insensitive clod, not NoShell!
22:25 < Kurt_> lol
22:25 < BrandonW> One of these days I'll update msd8x.
22:26 < Merthsoft> clod is BrandonW's new word
22:26 <+Netham45> BrandonW, stop being insensitive to his insensitivity!
22:26 < BrandonW> Say it like Nosh-ell if it helps you.
22:26 < TheStorm> you can get .95 on his site, which I doun't think he ever uploaded to Ti-Calc
22:26 < Kurt_> Cool, seems like those guys from DoorsCS are thinking about building in MSD8X and USB8X functionality into DoorsCS7
22:26 < Kurt_> I think I have 1.12
22:26 < Kurt_> If that exists
22:26 < BrandonW> Yeah, I know, I'm going to change it so you pick the application you want to run programs with.
22:26 < Kurt_> Sweet
22:27 < BrandonW> I was going to just integrate the libraries like Noshell does, but people are dead-set on using DoorsCS.
22:27 < Kurt_> I was looking for suggestions for new games on my 84
22:27 < Kurt_> I'm Running MOS 1.2
22:27 < TheStorm> Kurt_, USB8x is at 1.13 iirc and MSD8x is at .95, though I don't think either was official realeased
22:27 < Kurt_> I'm getting tired of Doom83, Grayscale Tetris and Phoenix 4
22:27 < TheStorm> Kurt_, try Desolate
22:27 < Kurt_> And I beat Desolate this morning
22:28 < TheStorm> :(
22:28 < Kurt_> oh lol
22:28 < Kurt_> you sent that before i looked up from typing
22:28 < BrandonW> There's going to be a usb8x 0.14 soon because of that one bug with sending control requests.
22:28 < BrandonW> Blue8x won't work right without it.
22:28 < Kurt_> so i lold a bit
22:28 < Kurt_> Blue8x?
22:28 < BrandonW> The USB Bluetooth adapter driver, also not released.
22:28 < Kurt_> NOWAY
22:28 < TheStorm> ya'way
22:28 < Kurt_> That would be so frigging cool!
22:28 < BrandonW> There's a YouTube demo of it.
22:29 < TheStorm> Kurt_, you clearly need to hang out in here more
22:29 < Kurt_> Is there any chance of that brining wireless networks to TI's?
22:29 < Kurt_> Yeah
22:29 < TheStorm> that's old news
22:29 < Kurt_> I just came in for the first time
22:29 < BrandonW> Yes, there's a bug I never worked out or else I'd have released a chat demo by now.
22:29 < TheStorm> http://BrandonW.net/
22:30 < Kurt_> I just downloaded Chatzilla a few weeks ago anyway, since I needed it to communicate with others who are working on the same... 'project' as me
22:30 < Kurt_> and that's all I'll say about that, other than it's not related to calculators
22:30 < Kurt_> So, can anybody clear up this thing about using C I don't quite understand?
22:31 < BrandonW> Somebody refusing to talk about something non calculator related.
22:31 < BrandonW> I might faint.
22:31 < Kurt_> I've been learning C++, and I was wondering if programs written in C show up as apps or progs
22:31 < BrandonW> What, on the calculator?
22:31 < Kurt_> yeah
22:31 < BrandonW> This is the 83+/84+ series?
22:31 < Kurt_> Yep
22:31 < BrandonW> Don't bother with C on them.
22:31 < BrandonW> It's not practical.
22:31 < Kurt_> Aww
22:31 < Kurt_> I don't wanna learn ASM.
22:31 < BrandonW> The only thing that's ever been written successfully is CellSheet by TI, and it's crap because of it.
22:31 < _Digital> but the 68Ks can use C
22:31 < TheStorm> it can be done but for the z80's just don't lend well to C
22:31 < Kurt_> So, what does Mirage use?
22:32 < Kurt_> Assembly?
22:32 < BrandonW> Assembly.
22:32 < Kurt_> FUCK
22:32 < Kurt_> I was hoping it wouldn't lead to that....
22:32 < _Digital> new baby learns a new word
22:32 < BrandonW> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpw3REoaxxM Yeah, there's the Bluetooth thing.
22:32 < TheStorm> Kurt_, every thing other than CellSheet and a few other programs use C
22:32 < Kurt_> Alright then...... Exactly HOW hard is assembly to use...?
22:32 < BrandonW> It's not hard as long as you stick with it.
22:33 < TheStorm> ^
22:33 < Kurt_> I've been using TI-BASIC for six years, should that help at all?
22:33 < TheStorm> s/every/no
22:33 < BrandonW> A good understanding of how the OS works is good, but it's a very different language.
22:33 < TheStorm> ^
22:33 < Kurt_> How the OS works? dang
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22:34 < Kurt_> And different doesn't do me any good.
22:34 < BrandonW> What is and isn't possible, I mean.
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22:34 < Kurt_> Right.
22:34 < Kurt_> I really, REALLY don't want to use ASM if there is anything easier.
22:34 < BrandonW> There's not.
22:34 < BrandonW> This is something that's been coming up for 10 years.
22:34 < BrandonW> There have been so many attempts.
22:34 < BrandonW> Take my word for it, there's not.
22:34 < Kurt_> Damnit.
22:35 < BrandonW> I ask you, why does someone comment "do you know how to download the start up app? my ti 84 didn't come with it" on a USB Bluetooth demo video?
22:35 < TheStorm> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/268/26877.html  is a good place to start
22:35 < TheStorm> Kurt there is also BBCBasic but its jsut another form of basic, though quite a bit faster
22:36 < Kurt_> Faster, you say....?
22:37 < BrandonW> Not the kind of speed you'd expect from an assembly program.
22:37 < Kurt_> Oh well, nothing is as fast as ASM on anything.
22:37 < Kurt_> How many lines of ASM should I expect to be writing for things?
22:37 < BrandonW> That depends on what you're writing.
22:37 < mokomull> gazillions
22:37 < TheStorm> Kurt_, it depends on what you want to do
22:37 < BrandonW> You can do things in a couple of dozen lines or thousands.
22:38 < Kurt_> Aww damn
22:38 < Kurt_> I hate writing tousands of lines of pnemonics
22:38 < TheStorm> Kurt_, take a look at the link I posted eariler
22:38 < Kurt_> I did
22:38 < BrandonW> It becomes second nature soon enough, it's just a matter of sticking with it because you cannot just jump right into it and start designing sprites or games or whatever.
22:38 < TheStorm> the asm in 28 day's one
22:38 < BrandonW> It's not a 2-day thing.
22:39 < BrandonW> Impatience will doom you every time.
22:39 < Kurt_> That makes me sad.
22:39 < Kurt_> It took me six years to master Ti-BASIC, and their's STILL things I am only just learning.
22:40 <+Netham45> BrandonW, did anything come of Periph8x?
22:40 < Kurt_> Only yesterday I learned a faster getKey loop
22:40 < TheStorm> Kurt_, that's true about any language
22:40 < BrandonW> All these things on hold have some sort of bug I couldn't figure out. periph8x's is the keyboard driver needing refactoring.
22:40 < BrandonW> Because the key repeats aren't going away.
22:40 <+Netham45> BrandonW, so, I take it the MSD part of it didn't get finished either?
22:41 < BrandonW> I have a nearly complete understanding of the OS and there are still things I don't know about BASIC.
22:41 < BrandonW> Right, that needs to be rethought out, too.
22:41 < BrandonW> Because I just don't think it's going to work to have a writable partition that links the VAT and FAT16.
22:41 < BrandonW> You have no idea how much of a nightmare that is.
22:41 < BrandonW> I'm using every RAM page.
22:42 < BrandonW> And Windows does a ridiculous amount of read and write caching.
22:42 < BrandonW> You can sit there and pound F5 in an explorer window and not a single command goes to the calculator.
22:42 < BrandonW> I mean, what do you do in that situation?
22:42 < TheStorm> BrandonW, use linux :P
22:42 < TheStorm> j/k
22:42 < Kurt_> what's he talking about?
22:43 < BrandonW> One of my unfinished projects is a USB peripheral driver that lets your 84+/SE function as a flash drive or USB keyboard.
22:43 < BrandonW> Or mouse, or gamepad, or whatever.
22:43 <+Netham45> BrandonW, well, just making it present the calc to the PC as a MSD should be enough to have a custom, portable app that'll let you manipulate files on it.
22:43 < BrandonW> No, no custom portable apps...at that point you're just hauling around TI Connect or TI-Graph Link.
22:44 < BrandonW> The whole purpose of this is to make it work on anything.
22:44 < Kurt_> oh cool
22:44 < BrandonW> A standard USB mass storage device.
22:44 < Kurt_> Also, have you made any thought to helping the DoorsCS guys with the ability to use a USB mouse to control the on screen pointer in Doors?
22:45 < Kurt_> Because if you did, then I would switch to Doors IMMEDIATELY
22:45 < BrandonW> If Kerm wants help, I'll give it.
22:45 < BrandonW> If not, no.
22:45 <+Netham45> mouse on-calc is a joke.
22:45 < TheStorm> ^
22:45 <+Netham45> I had one of the PS/2 port convertor boxes built
22:45 < TheStorm> its total useless
22:45 <+Netham45> and it sucked.
22:45 <+Netham45> yup.
22:45 < BrandonW> You can use usb8x and USBTools with a real mouse if you're just dying to see a USB mouse work on your 84+/SE.
22:45 < TheStorm> and yet TI thought it was a good idea :P
22:45 < BrandonW> It's just a demo, but still.
22:45 <+Netham45> haha, TheStorm.
22:46  * TheStorm points to the Nspires interface
22:46 < Kurt_> what
22:46 <+Netham45> well, I had the module in DoorsCS that allowed for the PS/2 mouse to be used in Doors, it worked fine, but who's seriously going to carry a mouse around with their calc?
22:46 < Kurt_> i haven't seen it yet
22:46  * Kurt_ raises his hand
22:46 < Kurt_> I have the pocket space for it
22:46 < BrandonW> If I remember correctly, he tried this years ago but usb8x's buffers ate too much RAM for his shell.
22:46 < BrandonW> But who knows.
22:46 < TheStorm> Netham45, I didn't realize someone actually made that
22:47 <+Netham45> TheStorm, I think Kerm did.
22:47 < Merthsoft> there should be a way in excel that if i, say, take the average of certain things in one row, that it'll do that for all the rest of the rows too
22:47 <+Netham45> Kurt_, I have the pocket space for it too, doesn't mean I'm going to go to class, sit down, and whip out a mouse to use on my 84.
22:47 <+Netham45> It's just not practical enough for usage.
22:47 < TheStorm> Merthsoft,  Ctrl+C, Crtl+V?
22:47 < Kurt_> I would
22:47 < Merthsoft> TheStorm: but then i have to edit it for each row
22:48 < Kurt_> I would totally do that, just for the cool factor
22:48 <+Netham45> Merthsoft, click the little black corner at the bottom right when the cell is highlighted, and drag that cell.
22:48 < Kurt_> I would also carry a gamepad
22:48 <+Netham45> it'll make adjustments based off of the current column/row.
22:48 < Kurt_> If only I could hack Doom83 to use it
22:48 < Merthsoft> thanks Netham45 
22:48 <+Netham45> np, Merthsoft.
22:49 <+Netham45> I think the constant polling of a gamepad would be too much for the calc to handle, while playing a game like that.
22:50 < TheStorm> Netham45, it was done for pheonix, so I'm surre if someone cared enough they could doo it with doom83
22:50 < Kurt_> Well i don't know, neth
22:50 <+Netham45> I'd imagine that Doom83 would take considerablly more resources than phoenix.
22:51 < BrandonW> Netham, no.
22:51 < BrandonW> There is no polling.
22:51 < Kurt_> z80's were used in full fledged PC's in the 80's
22:51 < BrandonW> usb8x raises events when things happen.
22:51 < BrandonW> Like when you press a key.
22:51 < BrandonW> The gamepad driver if I remember correctly will set some flags in RAM that you can check later.
22:51 < BrandonW> And it costs nothing to check those in a game loop.
22:51 <+Netham45> BrandonW, Oh, I thought that usb8x would have to constantly poll the state of the gamepad...
22:52 < BrandonW> Even if it doesn't, you could write your own callback which sets flags.
22:52 <+Netham45> nevermind then.
22:52 < BrandonW> A gamepad is a HID device like keyboards and mice, nothing happens until the device sends data on its interrupt pipe.
22:52 < BrandonW> When that happens, an interrupt on the calculator is generated.
22:52 < BrandonW> And from there, that code could set a flag saying "this key's being pressed, or this key was just released" or whatever.
22:52 <+Netham45> oh.
22:53 <+Netham45> I must be thinking of the old gameport style joysticks/gamepads where you had to poll them to get the state.
22:53 <+Netham45> midi port, or whatever that port was named...
22:54 < Kurt_> serial I/O
22:54 < TheStorm> Netham45, yeah those use a seriral interface so polling would be required
22:54 < Kurt_> I remember my old Sidewinder
22:54 < Kurt_> Then I got a Sidewinder PRO
22:54 < Kurt_> Used it for a good 9 years
22:54 <+Netham45> I have a Logitech Wingman Force that has an RS-232 cable on it.
22:54 <+Netham45> and USB.
22:55 < Kurt_> Now I roll with a Saitek ST290pro that i picked up for Combat flight sims, namely Aces High 2
22:55 <+Netham45> I prefer gamepads to joysticks, I usually use an Xbox 360 controller for games that want a joystick.
22:58 < Kurt_> oh god
22:58 < Kurt_> i'm looking at the learn ASM in 28 days
22:58 < Kurt_> and I have no idea what I'm looking at
22:58 < BrandonW> That's normal.
22:58 < TheStorm> read it starting from day 1
22:58 < BrandonW> Feel free to ask questions.
22:58 < Kurt_> I'm used to user defined variables, functions, libraries, and matricies
22:58 <@Andy_J> !seen joels
22:58 <@efneTI86> JoelS (~JSeligste@1601br1-egress-1.corp.tfbnw.net) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 3 hours, 3 minutes ago stating (Leaving).
22:58 < Kurt_> And now registers?
22:58 < BrandonW> Yeah, you get none of that.
22:59 <@Andy_J> dang.
22:59 < BrandonW> You get registers, RAM, Flash, and...hardware ports.
22:59 < BrandonW> That's it.
22:59 < Kurt_> That's totally gay
22:59 <@Andy_J> well you CAN use all that other stuff but you have to go through the OS to do it.
22:59 < Kurt_> I don't see how anyone can use it
22:59 < BrandonW> That's the basis for how all computers work.
22:59 <@Andy_J> And no, it is neither homosexual nor happy.
22:59 < Kurt_> ugh
22:59 < TheStorm> I think Tari wrote a day 0 to help setup the dev enviroment
22:59 < BrandonW> You're not a real man until you do assembly.
22:59 < TheStorm> ^
22:59 < Kurt_> Yeah yeah, I know
23:00 < Kurt_> But seriously
23:00 < Kurt_> This is all but unusable to me.
23:00 < mokomull> I love how I'm the only person in my computer organization class who's done assembly before.  It's great :D
23:00 < BrandonW> It may seem that way at first.
23:00 < Kurt_> The idea of writing a shell, or even Desolate in it, is nigh unthinkable
23:00 < TheStorm> I was cracking up in my COEN class when my Prof was explaing op codes
23:00 < BrandonW> mokomull, I loved my assembly language class in college...people were confused all to hell.
23:00 <@Andy_J> It really isn't all that hard. It's just different.
23:00 < BrandonW> The teacher was an old IBM assembly language programmer.
23:00 < BrandonW> He and I got along great.
23:00 < mokomull> And we're doing MIPS, too, not something wacked up like z80 or x86 :)
23:01 < Kurt_> My C++ teacher was an old COBOL/FORTRAN programmer
23:01 <@Andy_J> we did AVR assembly in uni
23:01 < Kurt_> wait, z80 is wacked up?
23:01 < mokomull> About 10% of my C++ class was Bjarne Stroustrup :D
23:01 < Kurt_> also, it said that ROM calls are not good to use
23:01 < BrandonW> There's nothing wrong with z80 or x86.
23:01 < TheStorm> ^
23:01 < mokomull> Kurt_: z80 is very restrictive as far as which registers you can use where.
23:01 < BrandonW> ROM calls are fine, there's just a little overhead in calling them so you don't want to use them in really time-sensitive situations.
23:02 < Kurt_> So there's a very small number of what you would call, variables available?
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23:02 < Kurt_> Or should I just try and practice using pointers in C++ to get used to it?
23:02 < TheStorm> Kurt_, you can "define" your own varables in free ram and within your own program
23:02 < mokomull> Kurt_: Just jump off the deep end and go through an assembly tutorial
23:03 < Kurt_> I wish I had that kind of time
23:03 < BrandonW> There's a limited combination of what registers you can use in what situations, that's what can make it hard to learn.
23:03 < BrandonW> Some registers have specific purpose.
23:03 < Kurt_> I'm in my senior year of high school
23:03 < BrandonW> purposes.*
23:03 < BrandonW> It wouldn't make sense to use AF as a 16-bit pointer, for example.
23:03 < Kurt_> Schoolwork is a bitch, and I don't know how much longer I'll be using my 84
23:03 < TheStorm> Kurt_,  thats the same time I learned 
23:03 < Kurt_> Really?
23:04 < BrandonW> I learned in high school, too.
23:04 < Kurt_> How old are you now?
23:04 < TheStorm> not that I've doen anything useful with my knowledge
23:04 < TheStorm> 18 :P
23:04 < Kurt_> ....
23:04 < TheStorm> I'm a freshman in college now
23:04 < Kurt_> You still do programs?
23:04 < TheStorm> yes
23:04 < Kurt_> I'm just worried that i'm just gonna ditch the TI scene
23:04 < TheStorm> Kurt_, your point?
23:04 < Kurt_> And not be able to learn ASM before that
23:05 < TheStorm> so, give it a shot
23:05 < TheStorm> I see no drawbacks
23:05 < mokomull> I never really got into it until here recently that I've really started learning about computer organization and things, and I don't even have a TI calculator anymore :D
23:06 <@Andy_J> I don't suppose anyone has a copy of the puzzle definition for prime_bits laying around anywhere? Facebook took it down a bit over a year ago, and I want to use it as a practice problem for an ACM ICPC team I'm coaching tomorrow
23:06 <@Andy_J> (Hence why I was looking for JoelS)
23:06 < Kurt_> Wait a sec.... So am I to understand that to do text in ASM, I have to use the ASCII codes?
23:07 < BrandonW> Yeah, all you're doing is playing around with bytes.
23:07 < TheStorm> Kurt_, the assembler will take care of that for you
23:07 < Kurt_> This just get's worse and worse!
23:07 < TheStorm> but that's tru for any language
23:07 < BrandonW> You can specify "Hello world!", sure.
23:07 < BrandonW> The assembler will convert it to the right bytes.
23:07 <@Andy_J> It isn't actually ASCII.
23:07 < BrandonW> It's close to ASCII.
23:07 <@Andy_J> It's close enough though.
23:07 < BrandonW> Don't confuse the poor man.
23:07 <@Andy_J> Except [ turns into theta.
23:07 < Kurt_> yeah
23:07 < TheStorm> .db "Hello World" :P
23:07 <@Andy_J> TheStorm: .db "Hello World",0 you mean
23:08 < Kurt_> I have to leave for my C++ course in like 7 minutes, I better fix a sandwich
23:08 < Kurt_> Also, there SERIOUSLY needs to be a better way to do this!
23:08 <@Andy_J> Or .db 11,"Hello World" if you're using pascal strings
23:08 < TheStorm> Andy_J, I was useing fixed length :P
23:08 <@Andy_J> TheStorm: you still need to specify it :p
23:08 < TheStorm> I did in my eairlier code :P
23:09 < TheStorm> gah I can't spell today
23:09 < TheStorm> that I wrote in my head :P
23:10 < BrandonW> It's a big learning curve and a different way of thinking, but I promise you, it'll help you in the long run.
23:10 < BrandonW> Programming calculators is the best thing I ever did.
23:10 < BrandonW> Did you guys know you can use length-indexed strings and _PutPS?
23:10 < BrandonW> It's just been the convention forever now that we use _PutS.
23:11 < Kurt_> Well, I'll see you gents later
23:11 < Kurt_> I'll try and make sense of this abhorrently archaic language
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23:13 < BrandonW> I give it 2 days.
23:13 < BrandonW> Anyone else want to bet?
23:13 < TheStorm> two days what?
23:13 < TheStorm> before he gives up?
23:13 < BrandonW> yES.
23:13 < BrandonW> "archaic language"...makes me laugh inside.
23:14 < TheStorm> I doubt he'll even be back before then
23:14 <@Andy_J> This is precisely why assmebly language courses ought to be required still.
23:14 < TheStorm> ^
23:14 < BrandonW> What, they're not anymore?
23:14 <@Andy_J> Maybe in some places.
23:14 < TheStorm> BrandonW, not a man schools
23:14 <@Andy_J> At least I did still have to do one, thank god.
23:14 < TheStorm> many*
23:14 < mokomull> so do I
23:14 < BrandonW> That's awful.
23:14 <@Andy_J> Probably the best course I ever took.
23:14 < BrandonW> Why would you ever get rid of it?
23:14 < TheStorm> I'm not sure if I'll have to do one or not, though I could most likely test ou t of it
23:14 <@Andy_J> It was *fun* working with those AVRs
23:15 < mokomull> This is going to be one of the worst ... my teacher is a very shy Chinese woman, can't control the lecture
23:15 < BrandonW> I had a female Chinese teacher teach some of my CS classes, too.
23:15 < BrandonW> She went back to China I think, thank goodness.
23:15 < BrandonW> Waste of time.
23:16 < BrandonW> She gave out door prizes one day to get people to come to class once.
23:16 < BrandonW> I got a USB SD card reader out of it.
23:16 < BrandonW> I used it to test msd8x.
23:16 <@Andy_J> Wow.
23:16 < BrandonW> So it's not a total loss.
23:16 < TheStorm> lol
23:16 < BrandonW> It was a Lexar 500mA one.
23:16 <@Andy_J> The only, er, non-native-english-speaker professor I had in CS was very energetic about it
23:16 < BrandonW> I watched the LED go off when trying to write to it from msd8x.
23:16 <@Andy_J> even if he wasn't all that great at it
23:17 < mokomull> I've got a most wonderful Italian professor for my Unix/Concurrency class
23:17 < BrandonW> You can read perfectly fine from that thing all day long, even though it's 500mA.
23:17 < BrandonW> It'll crash every time on writes.
23:17 < TheStorm> lol
23:18 < BrandonW> I had a Jamaican teacher or something for a C++ OpenGL game programming class I took once.
23:18 < BrandonW> The way he said this one guy's name, "Brett Bailey" when taking attendance every day used to drive me nuts.
23:18 < BrandonW> It is still firmly engrained into my brain.
23:18 <@Andy_J> gah why does nothing have a copy of the project definition for prime_bits
23:19 < mokomull> because we hate you
23:19 < mokomull> and our ICPC team is better
23:19 < mokomull> ;)
23:19 <@Andy_J> I'm sure it is.
23:19 <@Andy_J> but you're not ECNA so I don't care ;)
23:19 < mokomull> ECNA?
23:19 <@Andy_J> East-Central North America
23:20 <@Andy_J> We have Waterloo, Toronto, and Carnegie Mellon, though :(
23:20  * Andy_J slaps Merthsoft around a bit with a small goldfish
23:20 <@Andy_J> And him.
23:20 < Merthsoft> what
23:20 <@Andy_J> Though I graduated last year so I wasn't at last year's so he made himself look silly.
23:21 < Merthsoft> we kicked your ass
23:21 <@Andy_J> Dude it wasn't hard.
23:21 <@Andy_J> They couldn't get the freaking LRC one <_<
23:21 <@Andy_J> now, 2 years ago when I was on the team (and everybody the year before they graduated, for that matter) we kicked *ass*
23:22 < Merthsoft> we'd still kick your ass
23:22 <@Andy_J> http://acm.ashland.edu/2007/standings.html 13th bitches
23:22 <@Andy_J> http://acm.ashland.edu/2006/standings.html 18th and 22nd
23:22 < TheStorm> :( my favorite track on my Blue man Group CD is scratched
23:23 < TheStorm> I need to make sure to run EAC on every CD I buy from now on.
23:23 <@Andy_J> anyway yeah
23:23 <@Andy_J> PRIME BITS WHERE ARE YOU -_-
23:23 <@Andy_J> I can reverse engineer the spec from my code but I liked the way they worded it
23:24 < BrandonW> Who buys CDs anymore?
23:25 < TheStorm> BrandonW, I do, I like to have a Lossless hard copy of my music
23:26 < Randomist> What.CD.
23:27 < TheStorm> Randomist, it was The Complex, The Bule Man Group
23:28 < Merthsoft> look guys, i did a thread vs. fork analysis
23:28 < Randomist> No, no -- "What.CD," as in the BitTorrent tracker that has high-quality rips of things.
23:28 < Merthsoft> http://merthsoft.calcg.org/tvf/
23:29 < Merthsoft> ooops
23:29 < BrandonW> Why, you get a cookie!
23:30 <@Andy_J> oh hey the wayback machine is working again
23:30 < BrandonW> "ok" is not a word, fix it.
23:30 < Merthsoft> is too
23:30 < BrandonW> Not for an assignment.
23:30 < BrandonW> I would fail you for that.
23:30 < Merthsoft> in a cs class?
23:31 < BrandonW> Yes.
23:31 < Merthsoft> you'd never get tenure
23:31 < BrandonW> Perhaps that's a good thing.
23:31 < BrandonW> I should've been an English teacher.
23:31 < Randomist> grep 'ok' assignment | exit 1
23:31 < Randomist> * && exit 1
23:31 < Merthsoft> the links should be fixed now
23:31 < Merthsoft> where did i have ok?
23:31 < BrandonW> In the explanation.
23:31 < BrandonW> "So, when it is ok that we're working"
23:32 < Randomist> <screenshot> Updated:  http://wintervenom.brandonw.net/Screenshot.png
23:32 < Randomist> Right ther.
23:32 <@Andy_J> yay got it
23:32 < Merthsoft> fixed
23:32 < BrandonW> That makes me happy.
23:32 < Merthsoft> now other than that how is it?
23:33 < BrandonW> I have no idea, I blocked out assignments like this.
23:33 < Merthsoft> go dammit
23:33 < Merthsoft> god
23:33 < Merthsoft> links are still broken
23:34 < Merthsoft> just look through it and tell me if you're convinced
23:35 < BrandonW> I have no reason not to be convinced.
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23:36 < BrandonW> I don't understand why TI hashes OS data bytes one at a time.
23:36 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@150.30.226.166.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
23:36 < BrandonW> When it receives 128 at a time.
23:37 < BrandonW> All it has to do is ld hl,appData \ ld bc,128 \ call _MD5Update
23:37 < BrandonW> But no, a separate loop passing BC=1 each time.
23:37 < BrandonW> WHY?!
23:38 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@150.30.226.166.in-addr.arpa] has joined #tcpa
23:38 < Tribal> Because they hate us?
23:39 < BrandonW> I really can't think of a legitimate reason.
23:39 < Tribal> Because you're more familiar with z80 coding than they are?
23:39 < Tribal> =P
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23:49 < Merthsoft> why is firefox defaulting to links i clicked on ages ago instead of the root url when i start typing something in
23:50 < _Digital> it's stupid even though it is smarter than IE?
23:50 < _Digital> Merthsoft, it counts assuming people only want nostalgic links
23:50 < Randomist> I don't know; it's working right for me.
23:51 < Randomist> It sorts by the links I've visited most and the links that I've recently visited.
23:51 < Randomist> (Or, rather, the weighing is the other way around.)
23:54 <@chronomex> BrandonW: that's retarded ... but so is most of the shit they do
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23:55 < Kurttank> greetings again, tcpa
23:56 < Kurttank> I'm in my C++ class now, rocking jmIRC on mah BB
23:56 < BrandonW> I guess we'll assume that's a mobile IRC client on your BlackBerry.
23:56 < Kurttank> yep
23:57 < Kurttank> I plan on really getting started with ASM for real when I get back home.
23:58 <@chronomex> mmmmkay
23:59 < Kurttank> any tips for an ASM newbie?
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