--- Log opened Wed Sep 09 00:00:44 2009
00:15 < BrandonW> Oh good lord.
00:16 < BrandonW> I'm not sure I even want to paste the links of what I'm reading.
00:16 < DrDnar> Er, well, thank you for not?
00:16 < BrandonW> Thank you for starting it.
00:16 < DrDnar> "Is it true sticking birth control pills up your butt while having sex intensifies your orgasm?" Yes, but because they contain female hormones, you'll then turn into a girl. Instantly.
00:16 < BrandonW> lol
00:18 < millinao> paste paste paste
00:20 < BrandonW> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ApEAVxsMfyc2DuGfo3._POcjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20090620031752AA9N2jf
00:20 < BrandonW> That's as bad as I'm going to paste.
00:22 < millinao> trolls trolling trolls
00:22 < BrandonW> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080504235920AAGJ4Z7
00:27 < BrandonW> I don't understand how you can reproduce and not know that.
00:41 < Randomist> Every time I power up the virtual machine, there's an update.  Windows is getting proactive on the updates recently...
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01:00 <@chronomex> suuurp
01:04 < millinao> ohi
01:05 <@chronomex> http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=106747&cid=9091385      rofl
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01:08 < millinao> haha that's great
01:08 < TheStorm> that is brilliant
01:09 < sir_lewk> that is awesome
01:12 <@chronomex> yes
01:13 < sir_lewk> ugh, comcast sucks cocks
01:13 <@chronomex> they're called cockmast for a reason
01:13 < sir_lewk> my webbrowsing is not supposed to get faster when I'm using VPN >_<
01:13 < DSP_Lord> ...
01:13 < DSP_Lord> XD chronomex
01:14 < DSP_Lord> that's awesome.
01:14 < sir_lewk> they apparently throttle webtraffic based on useragent strings
01:14 <@chronomex> that's impressively stupid
01:15 < sir_lewk> yeah, if you're useragent string isn't firefox's or IEs you get throttled to hell (haven't checked Opera)
01:16 <@chronomex> opera has a spoofer :)
01:16 < sir_lewk> I need to find out if there's an easy way to do it in Arora
01:16 < millinao> wasn't someone on here making a roguelike?
01:16 < sir_lewk> I am
01:17 < millinao> how's that going
01:17 < sir_lewk> I have my longterm project (spacehack) which I'm just now starting up again on, and a 7 day roguelike I did earlier this year
01:18 < sir_lewk> it got put on haitus because of school but that's done for 6 months so I should be able to get some work done again
01:18 < millinao> i want to play a roguelike but I'm getting tired of nethack
01:19 < sir_lewk> I suggest you check out Stone Soup Crawl
01:20 < sir_lewk> it's one of the bigger more popular ones, barrier to entry is a little high imho but I hear it's good
01:21 < millinao> i wish there was one with more roleplaying elements
01:21 < millinao> like towns and such
01:22 < sir_lewk> hmm, dunno
01:23 < bsparks> hey, someone wanna help me out with something?
01:23 < sir_lewk> honestly I haven't played a large variety of RLs myself
01:23 < bsparks> I need a 130 character mathmatical formula, that ends with 1000 as the solution >_>
01:23 < sir_lewk> of course you could always start trying different ones from http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=List_of_roguelikes_by_name :)
01:24 < sir_lewk> bsparks: 1000+1-1+1-1...
01:24 < millinao> bsparks: 1000+1-1+1-1 etc
01:24 < millinao> damnit sir_lewk
01:24 < sir_lewk> lol
01:24 < bsparks> fuck you both
01:24 < sir_lewk> awesome
01:24 < bsparks> dickheads
01:25 < sir_lewk> great minds think alike :)
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01:25 < millinao> I WAS THINKING THAT BEFORE I WAS GOING TO WRITE IT
01:25 < millinao> get out of my mind
01:25 < DaIRC4670> er\
01:25 < sir_lewk> D:::
01:25 < DaIRC4670> what the hell my nick
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01:26 < Genolo|> i blame dairc
01:26 < sir_lewk> 'ello Genolo|
01:26 < Genolo|> hi
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01:29 < millinao> ooh i like this game
01:32 < Tar1> millinao, have you tried [z]angband?
01:32 < millinao> nope, only nethack
01:33 < millinao> do I need to be familiar with lotr?
01:33 < Tar1> I don't think so
01:33 < Tar1> I tried a little bit of zangband simply due to the Zelazny appeal, but didn't do much with it
01:33 < Tar1> I wasn't up to getting used to that vs nethack
01:34 < Tar1> there's also ToME
01:34 < sir_lewk> you could always try TetRLs! http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95/tetrisrl/
01:34 < sir_lewk> ;D
01:35 < TheStorm> Tar1, we need to port nethack to the 68k's, calcrogue just isn't cutting it for me and I can't have my phone out in class
01:35 < sir_lewk> I've actually seriously considered that
01:35 < Tar1> haha
01:36 < sir_lewk> although I actually greatly prefer calcrogue to nethack >_>
01:36 < TheStorm> plus the tile set in calcrogue is kinda meh
01:36 < TheStorm> maybe I just haven't played it enough
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01:43 < TheStorm> I still have no clue what was taking up all my ram on my 89TI, I did a RAM clear but it took a Full reset to actually free that mem
01:44 < sir_lewk> weird
01:44 < Merthsoft> in windows, how can a record from my webcam?
01:45 < TheStorm> amcap
01:45 < TheStorm> it should have come with your webcam drivers for testing, its MS's example app :P
01:45 < Merthsoft> eh, dell provided my drivers and shit
01:46 < TheStorm> oh its a dell, then use dell's software, ti should have a record feature
01:46 < TheStorm> at least my Laptop came with software with that feature
01:46 < Merthsoft> oh there it is
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01:49 < Merthsoft> it works until ffdshow shows up...
01:50 < millinao> i've talked about putting nethack on the calc for ages
01:50 < millinao> no one listens to me :(
01:50 < TheStorm> millinao, dooo eet!
01:50 < millinao> i dun want to
01:51 < sir_lewk> the issue with porting nethack is:  have you ever looked at it's source?
01:51 < millinao> also I don't know anything about calc programming beyond basic
01:51 < sir_lewk> I'm sure it's do-able, but damn
01:51 < TheStorm> sir_lewk, yeah I grabbed it the other day and was looking though it.
01:52 < TheStorm> It doesn't help that I don't actually know C but Still
01:55 < sir_lewk> I think it's definetly worth looking into though
01:57 < sir_lewk> man, this even has crap like K&R style function arguments
01:58 < Merthsoft> what's a K&R style argument?
01:59 < sir_lewk> void
01:59 < sir_lewk> assign_rogue_graphics(is_rlevel)
01:59 < sir_lewk> boolean is_rlevel;
01:59 < sir_lewk> {
01:59 < sir_lewk> instead of: void assign_rogue_graphics(boolean is_rlevel) {
01:59 < Merthsoft> wait
01:59 < Merthsoft> ew
02:00 < sir_lewk> where the type of the argument is specified in between the function name and the body, instead of inside of it's name
02:00 < sir_lewk> it's nasty as hell, it's been obsolete since at least 1989...
02:02 < Merthsoft> that's horrible
02:02 < Merthsoft> i've never even seen that before
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02:10 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
02:10 < Merthsoft> C is gross
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02:24 < TD-Linux> sir_lewk: lol it's like verilog
02:27 < Merthsoft> it's like verisuck
02:29 < TD-Linux> don't bash verilog
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02:34 < sir_lewk> what is verilog?
02:35 < sir_lewk> oh, some CE language
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02:50 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: you around?
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02:50 < TD-Linux> sir_lewk, CE? :S
02:50 < TD-Linux> more like EE
02:50 < TD-Linux> I suppose CE  too though :P
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02:52 < sir_lewk> dunno, I always associate VHDL with a CE kid I know
02:52 < sir_lewk> k, downloaded Beetlejuice
02:52 < sir_lewk> I shall now watch this jazz
02:53 < sir_lewk> winona ryder! :O
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03:23 < BrandonW> Wakie wakie, hands off snakie.
03:24 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: Are you on drugs today?
03:24 < Tar1> no, it's sleepy-time
03:24 < Tar1> not wakey-time
03:25 < BrandonW> No, not today.
03:25 < i_c-Y> i think he's telling the non specific you to stop whacking off in your sleep.
03:26 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: What is it about z80 that makes it so that a C compiler isn't any good or whatever
03:28 < BrandonW> It's very hard to optimize.
03:28 < BrandonW> And ends up being a waste of space.
03:28 < BrandonW> Which, on a calculator, is unacceptable.
03:28 < BrandonW> Even hello world will take up way too much space.
03:29 < TheStorm> the z80 instruction set does not lend well to C code
03:30 < Merthsoft> but why?
03:30 < Merthsoft> C is so simple
03:31 < bsparks> 1000 tweets >______>
03:31 < TheStorm> z80 is so simple
03:34 < DrDnar> And what doth a C compilier make of Hello World?
03:35 < BrandonW> C is not simple.
03:36 < BrandonW> And two simple things does not necessarily equal one simple thing.
03:36 < TheStorm> it usually means the opposite from my experiences
03:39 < DrDnar> Full C would be nearly impossible. At least not in a useful sense.
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03:40 < efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin.
03:40 < TheStorm> DrDnar, well people have used sdcc to make programs for the 83+ series
03:40 < BrandonW> It's not impossible, but it's pointless.
03:40 < DrDnar> Think of what it'd take to make longs work.
03:41 < DrDnar> 32-bit by 32-bit divide anyone?
03:41 < Merthsoft> it just seems like there ought to be an easier way
03:41 < Merthsoft> asm sucks
03:41 < TheStorm> Merthsoft, z80 asm is actually pretty awesome compared to other asm's
03:42 < BrandonW> Yes, you whiner.
03:42 < BrandonW> Learn assembly, you C nub.
03:42 < BrandonW> That's what it takes to do code on a calculator.
03:42 < Merthsoft> I know some assembly. I'm better with MIPS than z80, but I've done stuff in z80
03:42 < BrandonW> Just like a watch, or anything else.
03:43 < Merthsoft> you're a watch
03:44 < TheStorm> Merthsoft, why do you know mips, where is the even used anymore?
03:44 <@_Auron_> Merthsoft: tilemapper is very close to being done
03:44 < Merthsoft> TheStorm: We learned it in school
03:44 < Merthsoft> and the PSP
03:44 < Merthsoft> _Auron_: yay!
03:44 <@_Auron_> TheStorm: there's a few smartphones coming out that have MIPS
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03:45 < TheStorm> _Auron_, really, I know WinMo supported it a in the 200x versions but I didn't realize it was comming back, I though everything had basically moved to arm
03:46 < Merthsoft> except the PSP
03:46 < TheStorm> Well yeah i got that
03:47 < TheStorm> then again game systems like to go in the opposite direction of the rest of the computing world, like moving to PPC when places are switching away
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04:22 < sir_lewk> wow that's a good movie
04:25 <@_Auron_> ?
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04:33 < BrandonW> YES!
04:33 < BrandonW> A TI-92 II ON eBay!
04:33 < DrDnar> A TI-92 Two?
04:33 < DrDnar> Too?
04:33 < BrandonW> Finally I will have every model.
04:33 < BrandonW> Truly.
04:34 < BrandonW> Yes!
04:34 < BrandonW> Well I still won't have the 92E.
04:34 < BrandonW> But there's no way to be sure on that one.
04:36 < sir_lewk> beetlejuice
04:36 < sir_lewk> just watched it
04:37 < DrDnar> The "Hail, Poetry" number in Pirates of Penzance is a non sequitur.
04:39 < BrandonW> Actually I think the 92 II is just a 92 with the E module.
04:39 < BrandonW> And that the E module and II module are the same.
04:39 < BrandonW> Functionally.
04:39 < BrandonW> They have different chips internally.
04:40 < BrandonW> We'll just have to see once it gets here.
04:40 < BrandonW> Whether it's integrated or a separate module.
04:41 < _Digital> BrandonW, did you see my screen capture?
04:42 < BrandonW> No, what is it?
04:43 < _Digital> http://atlas.selfip.net/Misc-Pics/Staples-TI.png
04:43 <@_Auron_> I love that pic.
04:43 < BrandonW> I've come close to getting that darker blue one.
04:45 < sir_lewk> looks nicer than the others imho
04:45 < BrandonW> I have the very light blue one.
04:46 < BrandonW> I'm having trouble even finding a picture of it.
04:46 < sir_lewk> oh, I don't think I've seen one of those
04:46 < BrandonW> The typically-gray part around the LCD is also blue.
04:46 < BrandonW> Which you don't normally see.
04:46 < sir_lewk> all that I've seen are that dreadful grey
04:47 < BrandonW> haha, the only picture I can find is my own.
04:47 < sir_lewk> lol
04:47 < BrandonW> http://s.mcstatic.com/thumb/2751764/0/4/directors_cut/0/1/ti_84_plus_silver_edition_usb_bluetooth_demo.jpg
04:47 < BrandonW> From my own video.
04:47 < sir_lewk> oh nice
04:47 < BrandonW> It's just like the pink one, if you've seen that in stores.
04:48 < BrandonW> http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/250481843287_0.jpg
04:48 < BrandonW> I was actually tempted once.
04:49 < BrandonW> http://backoffice.tarad.com/shop/m/mrfinance/img-lib/spd_2009080272303_b.jpg There we go.
04:49 < BrandonW> I think that's the one I'll go try and brick.
04:50 < BrandonW> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/3046679082_6e19e4f0c7.jpg?v=0 Say what?
04:50 < sir_lewk> lol
04:51 < sir_lewk> I love how that "silver edition" calc is pink :)
04:51 < DSP_Lord> ^
04:51 < BrandonW> http://media.photobucket.com/image/TI-84%20Plus%20Silver%20Edition%20blue/hideki101/IMG_2778.jpg You get three guesses as to what the goal is here.
04:51 < sir_lewk> the way that's packaged just makes it look like a messup or something
04:52 < sir_lewk> imbedding a cellphone into a calc?
04:52 < sir_lewk> then turning it unto a multitool?
04:52 < BrandonW> I have no idea, that sounds good.
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04:56 < BrandonW> ETA on the 73 OS key (02) is 12 hours.
04:56 < BrandonW> After that, we just wait on the BOINC project to finish sieving the date stamp key, if it does.
04:56 < BrandonW> We have factored all Flash application freeware keys.
04:56 < BrandonW> Once we get this key, we'll have all OS keys.
04:57 < DrDnar> So did you mail Herbert?
04:57 < BrandonW> I bought a printer today so I could print it off.
04:58 < DrDnar> You had to buy a printer?
04:58 < DrDnar> I need a new one myself.
04:58 < BrandonW> The one I have is garbage, and these days it costs the same to buy a new printer instead of a new ink cartridge.
04:58 < DrDnar> Hah, yeah.
04:58 < BrandonW> The one I have is a great scanner, but the printer/copier part is falling apart.
04:59 < BrandonW> It prints fine if it would actually eat the paper and feed it through.
04:59 < BrandonW> I almost lost my mind trying to print off copies of the factors earlier and I said screw it.
04:59 < BrandonW> I do have many printers, but the ink cartridges are so-so.
04:59 < BrandonW> (for print8x)
04:59 < BrandonW> I have a whole closet full of HP printers, actually.
05:00 < DrDnar> Explain that one to a girlfriend.
05:00 < i_c-Y>  he dates crazy girls
05:00 < i_c-Y> doesnt require explanation
05:00 < BrandonW> I dated one crazy girl.
05:00 < DrDnar> The only kind worth it.
05:00 < BrandonW> You guys are never going to let that go.
05:00 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: ave you considered getting bootleg inks? 
05:01 < DrDnar> Hey, I've not heard this one.
05:01 < BrandonW> Yes, i_c-Y, I have, and I won't.
05:01 < BrandonW> My exgirlfriend took my coveted DS slidecase.
05:01 < BrandonW> And for years I went without.
05:01 < BrandonW> Recently I got it back.
05:03 < BrandonW> I offered Michael Vincent $5000 for his spare slidecase and he wouldn't hand it over.
05:03 < BrandonW> I was dead serious.
05:04 <@_Auron_> o.O
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05:04 < BrandonW> It was that important to me.
05:05 < DrDnar> DS slidecase?
05:05 < BrandonW> The special Detached Solutions orange slidecases.
05:05 < BrandonW> The 45 that TI made for us.
05:05 < DrDnar> Oh those.
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05:05 < DrDnar> Why'd she take it?
05:05 < BrandonW> I gave it to her.
05:05 < i_c-Y> WHAT?!?!?!
05:05 < BrandonW> I let her put it on her own 83+ and when we split, I just never got it back.
05:06 < i_c-Y> oh, so it was your fault.
05:06 < BrandonW> Yes. :(
05:06 < sir_lewk> where are the other 43?
05:06 < BrandonW> I thought for sure she had melted it down.
05:06 < BrandonW> But she kept it all this time.
05:07 < BrandonW> 20 went to one contest, 20 went to another, and 5 were kept by DS members.
05:07 < BrandonW> Michael won one of the contests and later joined.
05:07 < BrandonW> So he has two.
05:08 < BrandonW> $5000 for one of them, and he wouldn't do it.
05:08 < sir_lewk> madness
05:09 < BrandonW> The BOINC project is back up!
05:09 < BrandonW> Sieve! Sieve! Sieve!
05:09 < sir_lewk> nice!
05:09 < sir_lewk> any news on what caused it to go down?
05:09 < BrandonW> Don't know, don't care.
05:09 < BrandonW> If it's back up, it wasn't TI.
05:09 < BrandonW> So I'm happy.
05:11 < BrandonW> This is fantastic news.
05:11 < BrandonW> We'll have all 15 keys then.
05:11  * sir_lewk fires up his client again
05:11 < DrDnar> How long is the average factor in decimal?
05:12 < BrandonW> 78 digits, give or take.
05:15  * BrandonW squeals
05:15 < BrandonW> 12 hours and one more key.
05:17 < BrandonW> 4 more days and I'll have a TI-92 II.
05:17 < DrDnar> TI must have a lage database of prime numbers.
05:17 < BrandonW> Which effectively completes my collection.
05:17 < DrDnar> At least 7000 entries.
05:17 < BrandonW> That's hardly nothing.
05:17 < BrandonW> Or hardly anything.
05:17 < BrandonW> Even several million.
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05:23 < Randomist> http://ia311325.us.archive.org/1/items/WintervenomArtworkCollection/ScottGarrett-Virus.png
05:24 < DrDnar> ?
05:24 < BrandonW> He's become one of those scary abstract artists.
05:24 < BrandonW> Just go with it.
05:24 < i_c-Y> its just a phase
05:25 < i_c-Y> much like every Randomist nickname and what not
05:29 < sir_lewk> wait, who is Scott Garrett?  I know that name...
05:29 <@E-J> sir_lewk: he is Randomist 
05:29 < sir_lewk> ooh
05:29 <@E-J> like someone would ask who is john greco
05:30 < BrandonW> Every once in a while he sticks to something, like an OS or his real name.
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05:37 < sir_lewk> who is john greco?!? :O
05:37 < BrandonW> You?
05:37 < sir_lewk> lies
05:37 < sir_lewk> I am me.
05:38 < BrandonW> Hello me.
05:38  * Randomist waves.
05:38 < sir_lewk> it is a shame.  a shame that I am out of vodka
05:38 < sir_lewk> wait, no I'm not
05:39 < sir_lewk> *glug*glug*glug*
05:40 < BrandonW> For some reason the project is distributing old work units, but whatever.
05:40 < BrandonW> I'm sure it'll straighten out eventually.
05:42 < sir_lewk> weird
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06:10 < DrDnar> I sure hope our cable Internet service isn't broken again.
06:10 < DrDnar> This is getting old.
06:15  * Randomist yawns, and goes off to draw more.
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06:24  * sir_lewk draws, and goes off to yawn more.
06:31 < BrandonW> Oh no, a thunderstorm!
06:31 < BrandonW> But this PC's on a UPS, so I can avoid restarting just a little while longer.
06:33 <@chronomex> heh
06:33 < tr1p1ea> it not so much the resetting im worried about
06:33 < tr1p1ea> its the fact that you are using it OUTSIDE, on your ROOF!
06:34 < BrandonW> I haven't restarted this XP Pro machine in 3 months.
06:34 < BrandonW> And I'm out of resources.
06:35 < DrDnar> I think I once got four months.
06:35 < BrandonW> I just need a few more days.
06:35 < BrandonW> I'm trying to keep it up until we get all the keys factored.
06:35 < sir_lewk> power surges can be nasty where I am
06:35 < sir_lewk> I remember losing a VCR that way...
06:35 < BrandonW> I lost a 28.8kbps modem that way.
06:36 <@chronomex> :(
06:41 < BrandonW> But I replaced it with a 33.6.
06:41  * Randomist rubs his aching drawing hand, and goes off to figure out something else to do.
06:41 < BrandonW> I think it's still in that PC, actually.
06:42 < Randomist> College is really boring when you can't get into the work.
06:44 < sir_lewk> http://github.com/jgreco/spacehack/tree/master woot!
06:44 < sir_lewk> spacehack is now officially on github!
06:46 < BrandonW> Everything's boring to you, nihilist.
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06:58 < Randomist> You still think I am a nihilist?  :P
06:59 < Ander> That question doesn't even exist.
06:59 -!- Ander is now known as DrDnar
07:00 < Randomist> Nither was your answer, or this reply.
07:00 < Randomist> * Neither
07:00 < sir_lewk> madman
07:15 < DrDnar> Woah, I just found a copy of this exchange: http://pws.cablespeed.com/tehblueblur/filearchiver.txt
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07:27  * _Digital just finished clearing 27 GB of extra/misc/duplicate video files
07:36 <@E-J> always nice to spell work address in english to customer in phone 
07:36 < _Digital> wouldn't know
07:41 <@E-J> well address is punanotkonkatu 2, so first you think letters in mind in finnish and then try to remember what that letter is in english
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07:53 < tr1p1ea> lol drove all the way back to work just to get my usb drive
07:53 < tr1p1ea> which has my calc projects on it :
07:53 < tr1p1ea> :)
07:57 <@E-J> heh
08:24 < tr1p1ea> oh DAMNIT!
08:27 < Randomist> http://ia311325.us.archive.org/1/items/WintervenomArtworkCollection/ScottGarrett-Gravity.png
08:28  * Randomist goes to sleep, now.
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08:47 < tr1p1ea> hhmm... damnit
08:47 < tr1p1ea> the way this engine is setup is going to make near plane clipping very difficult
08:47 < tr1p1ea> :\
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08:52 < efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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11:52 < krisk> oi
11:52 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by Remius
12:12 <+krisk> how do Mac vidcard upgrades work? I'm looking at a 620 euro video card for macs...
12:20 < bsparks> krisk, what do you mean?
12:20 < leofox> what kind of Mac?
12:20 <+krisk> can they take regular PCIe cards?
12:21 < bsparks> krisk, new ones can, yeah
12:21 <+krisk> it seems kind of silly to buy a gtx285 for 620 euro
12:21 < bsparks> older ones took AGP, and PCI [ and in the three cases I have seen, PXI-X ]
12:21 < leofox> you can put any old card in it that you'd like
12:21 < bsparks> *PCI-X
12:21 < bsparks> leofox, had to be mac formatted
12:21 < leofox> not on the new ones I think
12:21 < bsparks> yup
12:22 < bsparks> even the new ones iirc
12:22 < leofox> weird
12:22 < leofox> is it a driver issue?
12:22 < bsparks> nope
12:22 < bsparks> the ROM on the card, for whatever reason, had to be mac formatted. It bugs the shit out of me =\
12:23 < bsparks> because there is no real straight answer, it's probably something to do with propritary motherboards and stuff, EFI bootloader, maybe how it addresses everything?
12:26 < bsparks> I boil it down to mac tax >_>
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12:27 <+krisk> hehe
12:28 <+krisk> but does that mean you can put in any videocard in a new mac or not?
12:29 < bsparks> I doubt it
12:30 < bsparks> you can't even put normal sound cards into new macs
12:30 < bsparks> and USB cards are hit and miss
12:30 < bsparks> But you know, it may very well be a driver thing
12:30 <+krisk> ok
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12:32 < leofox> my friend who knows everything about macs says that bullshit
12:33 < leofox> he says most videocards work, but you have to google to see which one
12:33 < bsparks> really?
12:33 < bsparks> well fuck <_< good to know :)
12:33 <+krisk> kinda like linux
12:34 < leofox> he says: dont try anything thats not nvidia or ati
12:34 < bsparks> that's a given I think :)
12:34 <+krisk> or matrox
12:34 < bsparks> matrox never did mac video cards, did they? o.o
12:34 <+krisk> (thats what were talking about isnt it)
12:34 <+krisk> nonmac specific vid cards in macs
12:36 < bsparks> krisk, ATi and nVidia are the two exclusive suppliers of mac video cards >_>
12:36 <+krisk> yeah and were talking about pc vid cards in macs
12:37 <+krisk> and im pretty sure tehre are matrox dual and tripleheads for mac
12:38 <+krisk> or at least macs compatible with dual/tripleheads
12:38 < bsparks> but those are external video cards
12:39 <+krisk> ah ok
12:39 < bsparks> also, in unrelated news, http://kotaku.com/5355153/sonic-returns-in-new-2d-hd-game >_>
12:40 <+krisk> sonic sucks
12:40 < bsparks> hey, fuck you :p
12:40 <+krisk> hmm there used to be matrox cards for mac
12:41 <+krisk> oh well
12:43 < tr1p1ea> its about damn time
12:43 < tr1p1ea> sonic never worked in 3D
12:43 < tr1p1ea> i used to have a Matrox Millenium G400
12:43 <+krisk> ah yeah g400
12:44 < bsparks> I was stuck with the g200
12:46 < tr1p1ea> was ok, but sucked with some things
12:46 < tr1p1ea> mainly because of crappy driver support
12:46 < tr1p1ea> but still, i got it for free so i no complain
12:46 < tr1p1ea> :)
12:46 < tr1p1ea> and im off to bed, ill have to track down these clipping errors tomorrow :(
12:50 <+krisk> well i cancelled my order for a new mb and just placed a new one at a different store where i should be able to pick it up tomorrow after work
12:50 <+krisk> in amsterdam :)
12:51  * bsparks is getting the beatles rock band today, woo :p and might be getting a bass for christmas, wooo
12:52 <+krisk> you can have my bass if you want lol
12:52 < bsparks> no thanks :p
12:53 <+krisk> its brand new i only touched it for like an hour :|
12:53 < bsparks> why?
12:53 <+krisk> because im not gonna bother with playing bass
12:53 < bsparks> why not? :(
12:54 <+krisk> eh
12:54 < bsparks> bass is awesome >_>
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12:54 <+krisk> yeah but i can listen to music made by people who can actually play it
12:54 <+krisk> while doing other stuff
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12:56 <+krisk> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/623961/009eba64/goedemorgen_.html
12:56 <+krisk> lol cat
12:56 <+krisk> on head
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13:06 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
13:25 < jr19> my work computer is in a perpetual state of booting
13:27 < jr19> beatles rock band came out today eh
13:33 <@Andy_J> ^
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14:17 < efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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14:26 < TheStorm> what would you guys suggest for an ebook converter?
14:27 <+krisk> a hammer if you want to convert it into a pile of rubbish
14:29 -!- Michael_V [michael@ip68-109-186-79.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #tcpa
14:29 < Michael_V> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125244891686393811.html
14:29 < Michael_V> there's the article!
14:29 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Michael_V] by Remius, efneTI81
14:29  * Michael_V is slightly disappointed that from an hour of interview, he has one quote (and of marginal grammar the way it's written)
14:29 <+krisk> >mention of iPhone in the first line
14:29 <+krisk> :(
14:30 <+Michael_V> but at least the Wall Street Journal has called me a "calculator enthusiast"
14:30 <+Michael_V> it must be official now
14:30 <+krisk> cool
14:30 <+Michael_V> and they linked to ticalc.org
14:30 <+Michael_V> supposedly this is in page B6 of the print edition
14:30 <+Michael_V> I will go buy a few copies perhaps
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14:30 < efneTI92> [Netham46] "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." -Scissors
14:31 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI80
14:31 <+krisk> wait wait wait
14:31 <+krisk> The company's best-selling calculator remains the five-year-old TI-84 Plus, she added.
14:31 <+krisk> >she added
14:32 <+krisk> explains it all
14:32 < Tar1> no one cares about the Nspire
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14:33 < Tar1> it's an 89 with tons of memory
14:33 < jr19> yep, page B6
14:33 <+Michael_V> ooh
14:33 <+Michael_V> of course I don't know if page B6 is good or bad
14:33 < jr19> i dunno, its apparently the "Marketplace" section of the paper
14:33 < jr19> i think its on the page by itself though i didnt look that closely, i think theres a big ad underneath it
14:34 < Barrett> TI only sells 5 million calculators a year?
14:34 < Barrett> or is that revenue number based on the wholesale price
14:34 < Tar1> I can't remember if they have copies of the WSJ downstairs..
14:35 < Tar1> I know we have USA Today
14:35 < Tar1> I'll have to check when I go down for lunch
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14:35 <+Michael_V> It's going to be wholesale
14:35 <+krisk> you know there are pretty straightforward ways of getting on the front page, right?
14:36 <+Michael_V> killing someone?
14:36 < Barrett> but what the heck?  $208 million profit on $526 million revenue?? lower the prices a tad
14:36 <+Michael_V> well by 2006 TI had sold 40 million graphing calculators
14:36 <+Michael_V> 1990-2006
14:37 <+krisk> H-P ?
14:37 <+krisk> I thought it was just HP
14:38 <+Michael_V> it is
14:38 <+Michael_V> the guy is a bit loose with the grammar
14:38 <+Michael_V> my quote doesn't quite have correct grammar either
14:38 <+Michael_V> it should really say "In all of the other calculators, they have always encouraged programming"
14:38 <@E-J> Michael_V: did brandon catch you?
14:38 <+Michael_V> and of course I didn't say all
14:38 <+Michael_V> I said all since 1996 or so
14:39 <+krisk> haha 15 year old brat spreading calc games at his school got quoted more than you
14:39 <+Michael_V> E-J: no?
14:39 < jr19> heh i saw that
14:39 < jr19> nspire fanboy
14:39 < Tar1> krisk, it reminds the businessmen of their sons and makes them smile, so they buy more copies of it to show to their friends
14:39 <@E-J> Michael_V: he would have had good opinion about nspire but he woke up just little after you left
14:40 <+Michael_V> ah
14:40 <+Michael_V> well it doesn't seem to have mattered anyway for the article
14:40 < Tar1> ..or something nefarious like that
14:40 <+krisk> k
14:40 <+krisk> well i think its cool to be in WSJ anyway
14:41 < jr19> yeah considering it is about as widely known as any other paper
14:43 <+krisk> oh yeah hey jr19 i cancelled my order for the new mb
14:43 < TheStorm> Is 86 up, if yes someone should add the article to the topic
14:44 < TheStorm> Oh Michael_V were you invloved with  the writing of QuackenChat
14:44 <+Michael_V> I wrote the first version, why?
14:44 <+Michael_V> how is that crossing into here?
14:44 <@Andy_J> 10:43:20 < TheStorm> Is 86 up, if yes someone should add the article to the topic
14:45 <@Andy_J> multiple people here that can bypass the bot
14:45 < TheStorm> Michael_V, I was wondering if you had the source so i could update it to vb.net rather than evb
14:45 < TheStorm> its a pretty decent IRC cleint and vb.net would work better on my Phone
14:46 <+Michael_V> so you independently discovered it and put it on your windows mobile phone?
14:46 < TheStorm> Yes
14:46 <+Michael_V> that's exciting :)
14:46 <+Michael_V> yes, I have the source
14:46 <+Michael_V> e-mail?
14:46 < TheStorm> and I noticed that one article mentioned a Michael_V and since another Calc programer was the writer of the post I figured it was you
14:47 < TheStorm> sure I'll PM it to you
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14:48 < Tar1> !t Welcome to #TCPA | Design a banner for picturesofducks.org. Win 5 dollars! | Factor more!  http://boinc.unsads.com/rsals/ | http://tinyurl.com/MVinWSJ
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14:49 <@E-J> http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7402/64c5fc055b338fbbb6615bd.jpg
14:50 <+krisk> lulz
14:50 < TheStorm> I g2g to my chem class see ya'll later
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14:51 < jr19> bye
14:50 < jr19> OR NOT
14:51 < Merthsoft> Mr. Vincent, who at one point owned 14 TI calculators
14:51 < Merthsoft> haha
14:56 <+krisk> oh yeah hey jr19 i cancelled my order for the new mb
14:56 < jr19> yeah i read that earlier
14:56 <+krisk> :P
14:56 < jr19> said you were going to pick it up in amsterdam tomorrow
14:56 <+krisk> juh
14:56 < jr19> sounds a little more reliable
14:56 <+krisk> yeah they actually have 10 in stock
14:57 <+krisk> rather than being a shoddy webshop who orders from the supplier
14:57 <+krisk> and just repeats that theyll send it in 3-5 days when a week has already passed
14:57 < jr19> ha
14:57 < jr19> so you should have a new computer put together by friday?
14:58 <+krisk> cancelling it was easy though.. i was in the bus with my phone and i replied to the order confirmation with 'i wish to cancel this order.' and 5 minutes later when i logged on at home i had an email saying it was cancelled
14:58 <+krisk> thursday night :P
14:59 <+krisk> ill have the two set up for lan play/load sharing soon after
14:59 <+krisk> still gotta think up a nice solution though
14:59 < jr19> cool
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14:59 < jr19> supposedly my wireless provider is getting the touch pro 2
14:59 <+krisk> cool
15:00 < jr19> don't know when though, i'd guess in the next couple months
15:00 < jr19> supposed to get the blackberry tour though too, so i don't know what to do
15:00 <+krisk> today at work i heard my boss say how he thought the touch pro 2 was a really nice phone to get now
15:00 <+krisk> so i went ta-da!
15:01 < jr19> yeah it looks good
15:01 <+krisk> works great too
15:01 <+krisk> just gotta get a usb->3.5mm cable and a spare battery
15:02 < jr19> yeah
15:02 <+krisk> then i can watch series and listen to music on the bus home from work
15:02 < jr19> i'm anxious to get rid of my current phone and get something that can do a lot more
15:02 <+krisk> it can do EVERYTHING
15:02 < jr19> the choice between blackberry and WinMo is hard for me though
15:02 <+krisk> easy for me since i have no experience with blackberry
15:03 < jr19> i have a little bit of experience with it
15:03 <+krisk> i guess you couldcompare the choice to windows xp vs linux
15:03 < jr19> i'm not sure that's totally fair
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15:04 < jr19> since they are both closed-source OSs (blackberry and WinMo)
15:04 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
15:04 < jr19> what phone did you have before?
15:05 <+krisk> fair enough
15:05 <+krisk> HTC 3600P
15:05 <+krisk> slow as shit
15:05  * Randomist waves.
15:06 < jr19> ah, was in WinMo too
15:06 < jr19> hey Randomist 
15:06 <@E-J> jr19: buy n900 when it comes
15:06 < jr19> n900 definitely isn't coming to my provider
15:06 < jr19> :\
15:06 <@E-J> damn
15:07 <+krisk> i suppose n900 is the true linux vs windows comparison
15:07 < Randomist>  It is really cold here.  I'm warming up with my CPU fan.  It makes a really good heater.  :P
15:08 <+krisk> n900 looks good but i dont see any advantage over touch pro 2
15:08 < jr19> everyone says blackberry is superior to everything in push notifications and messaging
15:08 <+krisk> and no the os isnt one
15:08 <+krisk> blackberry is good for business if you get the provider package stuff that makes all teh communications work for you
15:09 <@E-J> i just changed my provider, got cheaper monthly pay and free hsdpa usb stick
15:09 <+krisk> i would need a different subscription for that
15:09 <+krisk> normal plans dont allow push services
15:10 < jr19> i'll just test both phones when they come out
15:10 < jr19> i can even get one and if i decide i dont like it, i can return it before 30 days are up
15:12 <@E-J> http://koti.mbnet.fi/esalaari/Esa%20Samuli%20Laari%27s%20some%20of%20the%20girl-friends%20from%2021st%20century.htm
15:13 <+krisk> wat.. why=
15:13 <+krisk> ?
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15:13 < efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
15:14 <@E-J> maybe better link would have been http://koti.mbnet.fi/esalaari/Esa%20Samuli%20Laarin%20kotisivut_8_3_2006.html
15:14 <+krisk> question
15:15 <+krisk> leaving a phone/laptop connected so it charges while it's on, does that fuck up the battery?
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15:15 <+krisk> someone told me it then charges a bit and drains a bit charges a bit drains charges drains etc and it gets hot and kills the battery after a while so it cant charge very well any more
15:15 <@E-J> nope, it depends of battery type, but these new ones won't get any major effects
15:16 <+krisk> so i can leave my touch pro 2 on the usb cable while its on?
15:16 <@E-J> yes
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15:16 < Randomist> I've had my laptop in the A/C most of the time, and my two-hour battery still lasts three, so I would say, "No."
15:16 <+krisk> k cool
15:19 < jr19> i leave mine plugged in all the time and my two-hour battery lasts 10-15 minutes
15:19 < jr19> fffffffuuuuuuuuuuu
15:20  * krisk unplugs his phone
15:21 <@E-J> my phone battery lasts with current use about 2 days
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15:21 < jr19> my phone battery lasts a long time assuming i dont use it a ton during the day doing texting and internet and what not
15:21 < jr19> heavy texting/internet usage, i have to charge it overnight
15:22 < Randomist> Grr, damn it AMD/ATi.
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15:22  * Randomist wishes the open driver would get full power management support.
15:23 <@E-J> well i daily irc with it some time so that's why it lasts only 2 days, it can last shorter time if i use internet more
15:24 <@Andy_J> http://innovation.blog.state.ma.us/
15:24 <@Andy_J> Now, Therefore, I, Deval L. Patrick, Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, do hereby proclaim September 9th, 2009 to be,
15:24 <@Andy_J> Video Game Innovation Day 
15:24 <@Andy_J> And urge all the citizens of the Commonwealth to take cognizance of this event and participate fittingly in its observance.
15:24 <@Andy_J> anyone here in MA?
15:25 <+krisk> haha open drivers
15:26 < Randomist> At least those don't break every time some X component gets updated.
15:27 < Randomist> :P
15:27 <@E-J> Andy_J: commonwealth of massachusetts?
15:27 < Randomist> The propritary one had just came out, then X/Mesa got updated again, and it broke.
15:27 <+krisk> haha updates
15:28 <+krisk> thats like having your OS come from an SVN repository
15:29 <+krisk> there should be an option to filter out updates that are too recent/untested
15:30 <+krisk> what are people's opinion on ATI vid cards here?
15:30 <@E-J> http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=126616
15:31 <+krisk> metal sucks :(
15:32 <+krisk> wat wat wat new kittie album?
15:32 <+krisk> woah that came out of nowhere, i didnt even know they were recording a new one after their 08 tour
15:35 <+krisk> they were awesome in amsterdam a year ago where i saw them omg woo
15:38 <+krisk> hah looks like theyve made the drummer lose weight
15:45 < jr19> maybe he was self motivated
15:45 < jr19> or she
15:45 < jr19> i dont know who they are
15:45 <+krisk> she
15:46 <+krisk> idk most people dont change that much all of a sudden
15:46 <+krisk> she's been bigger ofr 13 years and now they get new management new album new tour and she's suddenly skinny
15:47 < jr19> its the meth
15:48 <+krisk> hmm
15:50 < jr19> then again maybe they don't do drugs
15:51 <+krisk> haha
15:51 <+krisk> right
15:54 < jr19> :D
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16:07 < Tar1> woo, done with homework until tomorrow
16:07 < Tar1> wait, that's false
16:07 < Tar1> there's one more thing I can do yet
16:12 < jr19> life was easier when i was in school and doing homework
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16:16 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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16:22 < efneTI92> [sir_lewk_] http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95  I have much DATA in VELOCIRAPTORS AND PHILOSOPH
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16:40 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
16:41 <+krisk> life was easyer before every retard and his dog took mortgages they couldnt afford and caused teh market to collapse so now young people who can take care of themselves are underpaid as well as left in the cold when it comes to mortgages
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16:55 < jr19> pizza with buffalo wing sauce on it sounds pretty good for lunch today
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17:02 < _3fg> hey guys
17:02 < _3fg> anyone know why wabbit won't capture an animated gif for me?
17:02 < _3fg> it just gets a one frame black screen
17:05 < jr19> did you try the forum
17:06 < _3fg> no, I was hoping for a quicker answer
17:06 < _3fg> I'll just wait for spencer to get on aim
17:06 < jr19> ok
17:07 < seidior> I'm already on AIM!
17:07 < seidior> oh, the other spencer.
17:07 < seidior> yeah I really should turn off that highlight for this channel.
17:13 < _3fg> haha
17:18 < _3fg> what's the capture button in Pindur?
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17:20 < Tar1> backspace iirc
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17:27 < _3fg> Tar1 backspace didn't work, but I think I'm using an old version
17:27 < _3fg> I found the keys on wikiti though
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17:28 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
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17:38 < PyroPeter> I am searching for a tutorial covering the basics of asm/basic programming of an TI voyage 200
17:39 < PyroPeter> the links on ticalc.org are all down
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17:46 < Tar1> there aren't many asm guides for the 68ks
17:46 < Tar1> http://www.ticalc.org/pub/text/68k/68kguide.txt is mostly the same for all 68k calcs
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17:46 < Tar1> http://www.technoplaza.net/assembly/lesson1.php is also useful
17:46 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI81
17:47 < Tar1> in most cases for the 68k calcs, you'll want to program in C rather than assembly, though
17:50 < PyroPeter> but how do i put the program on the calculator? crosscompile it and transfer the binary? how to crosscompile it?
17:53 < PyroPeter> lol, they are using a normal x86 architecture?
18:01 <@Andy_J> gcc4ti
18:01 <@Andy_J> http://trac.godzil.net/gcc4ti/
18:02 < _3fg> they don't use the x86 architecture
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18:02 < _3fg> they use the 68k architecture
18:02 < TheStorm> whats the standard reset key combo on the 89T?
18:02 < _3fg> the same as classic macs, gbas, and the nds
18:02 <@Andy_J> 2nd+left+right+on
18:03 < _3fg> or wait
18:03 < TheStorm> thanks, pacman3d crashed on me, I think its coaught in an endless loop 
18:03 < _3fg> I think I'm mixing up ARM and 68k
18:03 < TheStorm> _3fg, yeah, gba's and the nds is ARM
18:04 < _3fg> right, right
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18:24 < Randomist> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=616489
18:24 < Randomist> Censorship is lulz.
18:24 < Randomist> In Soviet Russia, package censors you!
18:29 < PyroPeter> why cant gcc4ti just use normal packages or tarballs? i have need for interactive scripts that fail :-P
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18:30 < Randomist> PyroPeter:  Is Kevin Koffler behind it?
18:30 < PyroPeter> yes
18:30 < Randomist> There's your answer.
18:31 < PyroPeter> hihi
18:31 < TheStorm> PyroPeter, No gcc4ti is a fork of TIGCC so Kevin is not in charge there :P
18:32 <@Andy_J> there's a reason why I said gcc4ti and not tigcc and kkkofler is that reason <_<
18:33 < Genolo> hey
18:33 < Genolo> does anyone know how to always be able to view file extensions in windows 7
18:33 < Genolo> this is so annoying >_>
18:33 <@Andy_J> same as in xp and vista
18:33 < Genolo> and how is that
18:33 <@Andy_J> and 95 and 98 and Me and NT4 and 2000
18:33 < Genolo> i haven't done it in ages
18:34 < TheStorm> Genolo, you enable it
18:34 < Genolo> yes where
18:34 < PyroPeter> lol, had the same problem
18:34 < PyroPeter> did not solve it
18:34 < jr19> tools > folder options > view > "hide extensions for known file types" or some crap like that
18:35 < Genolo> that isn't very assuring
18:35 < jr19> uncheck it
18:35 < jr19> oh wait, you're in windows 7 lulz
18:35 < jr19> i think its like vista where you have to go to the "Organize" button or something like that, and Folder Options are in there
18:35 < PyroPeter> i get serious problems with my eyes when seeing that system-control-center of windows 7
18:36 < PyroPeter> harhar
18:36 < Genolo> jr19: thanks
18:36 < Genolo> it's utterly fucking annoying that it would ever be off
18:37 < jr19> i always turn it on on our client's computers when i'm on them
18:37 < Genolo> i fail to understand why it's off by default
18:38 < PyroPeter> lol, folder options really are in the organize-dialogue?
18:38 < jr19> i'm not sure...maybe they think people will get crazy ideas when they see .exe and think its a virus
18:38 < jr19> i dont know, there's no real good explanation for it...maybe microsoft just thinks it looks "cleaner" to have it off
18:40 < Randomist> Who's hungry?  http://4walled.org/src/1252003432145.jpg
18:41 < jr19> i'm stuffed
18:41 < jr19> i just ate 7/8 of a pizza
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18:52 < Randomist> Oh, what is this?  A JPEG in my GIFs folder?  *Eye twitches.*
19:01 < jr19> traitor
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19:20 < efneTI92> [sir_lewk] http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95  I have much DATA in VELOCIRAPTORS AND PHILOSOPH
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19:24 <+krisk> you can set windows 7 control panel up to have specific icons, like xp's classic view
19:24 <+krisk> this way you get control panel -> folder options directly
19:25 <+krisk> and about 50 others
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19:25 <+krisk> just click view by -> small icons
19:26 < jr19> yeah that's how mine set up at home
19:26 < jr19> i couldnt remember if there was still a "Folder Options" in the control panel though without looking at it
19:26 < jr19> which i can't do from here
19:26 <+krisk> yeah.. but seriously these are like the first two things you do on a fresh install of any windows
19:27 <@E-J> krisk: but apparently you can't set start menu to the "classic view"
19:27 < jr19> #1 is windows update...right?
19:27 <+krisk> enable extensions, fix control panel, disable windows update firewall and antivirus, done ready to go
19:27 < jr19> you disable windows update?
19:27 <+krisk> of course
19:27 <+krisk> im not an idiot
19:28 <+krisk> you think im gonna test microsoft's latest bugs? heh
19:28 < jr19> heh if you say so, i'd rather leave it on though
19:28 <+krisk> eh it only increases downtime and takes up system resources
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19:28 <+krisk> why on earth would i ever enable it
19:29 <+krisk> last time i did my work pc couldnt even boot up any more
19:29 < jr19> so you dont get infected by abc virus
19:29 <+krisk> it died, i had to grab a new one from the server room
19:29 <+krisk> the time before that some network stuff broke because of updates
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19:29 <+krisk> ive only ever seen it introduce bugs
19:29 < jr19> i dont know, i've never had any problems with it
19:30 < jr19> god damn mosquito bites
19:30 <+krisk> i also get like 1 virus a year which microsoft wouldnt be able to prevent because its from clicking a trustworthy looking file from usenet
19:30 <+krisk> and that virus is fixed in 5 minutes with malware bytes something something
19:30 <+krisk> how much time does windwos update take every week?
19:31 <+krisk> downloading, installing, rebooting, nonsense
19:32 < jr19> not much
19:32 < jr19> i do notice that my work computer has 4 updates waiting to be installed though
19:33 <+krisk> its kind of the same thing with antivirus
19:34 <+krisk> at work it slows down my pc for half an hour when it scans everything on monday. if you add up the time lost there it would easily be soooooooooo many more times the time lost from removing a virus
19:34 <+krisk> although at least there it protects serious business info
19:34 < jr19> my computer's antivirus must update every morning when i boot it
19:34 < jr19> my work computer that is
19:35 <@Andy_J> krisk: so have it scan over the weekend
19:35 < jr19> i dont have any control over how the antivirus works unless i want to do a manual scan
19:35 <+krisk> lol fun
19:35 <+krisk> Andy_J: its set to monday morning for a reason idk why i forgot because im not shitty system admin
19:35 < jr19> i makes my computer really slow while it's starting windows and takes forever to get up to normal speed
19:35 < jr19> "mcscript_inuse.exe"
19:36 <+krisk> something to do with backups and xml feed processing scheduling
19:36 < jr19> it doesn't do "on-access" scanning does it
19:36 < jr19> because that shit is annoying
19:36 <+krisk> idk
19:36 <+krisk> maybe
19:37 < sir_lewk> I tried to get a virus once but it didn't work, wine failed me :(
19:37 <+krisk> thats the main reason i never use antivirus though, performance down the drain
19:37 < jr19> i never use antivirus on my home computers
19:38 <@chronomex> sir_lewk: :( lol
19:39 <+krisk> good
19:40 < jr19> i dont even play games or anything
19:40 < jr19> but speed of regular tasks is important
19:40 <+krisk> ofc
19:40 <+krisk> what do you do at home anyway?
19:41 < jr19> surf web, chat with friends, that's about it
19:41 < jr19> i dont get on the computer at home that much
19:41 <+krisk> myeah not much time is left after working all day
19:41 < jr19> well watching my kid, and then other things i'm involved in
19:42 < jr19> takes up a lot of time
19:42 <+krisk> i can imagine
19:42 <+krisk> im already drained after a day of work
19:42 <+krisk> exercise kinda lifts me up again but costs another hour
19:42 < jr19> yep
19:43 < jr19> i plan on working out at the new workout facility after work for about an hour
19:43 <+krisk> add eating and preparing food + figuring out costs/amounts for food and stuff to get and such
19:43 < jr19> by the time i finish that, get my kid, and get home, it will be 6:30ish
19:43 <+krisk> hmhm
19:44 < jr19> then i will need a shower if i want to do anything, and also food
19:44 <+krisk> 7:30
19:44 < jr19> but a lot of nights, i would simply spend that time watching TV anyway
19:45 < jr19> so if you look at it that way, it doesnt sound like a bad tradeoff
19:46 < jr19> now that baseball is over though, and i am only committed to doing something once a week for the next month, and then once a week from nov-march, i will have a lot of free nights
19:47 <+krisk> hmm tv..
19:47 <+krisk> i find it so draining to watch tv
19:47 <+krisk> unless you only specifically watch something you planned on like a series or movie, and can skip commercials
19:47 < jr19> the only tv i'll be interested in watching for awhile is an NFL game once a week (usually) sunday
19:49 <+krisk> ah cool
19:49 <+krisk> favorite team?
19:49 < jr19> chicago bears
19:50 < jr19> their division is going to be pretty good this year though, so it should be an interesting season
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20:07 < BrandonW> Any minute now, we'll have 02.
20:07 < BrandonW> That means ALL OS and application key.s
20:07 < BrandonW> keys.*
20:07 < leofox> nice
20:08 < leofox> what about the date stamp?
20:08 < BrandonW> That's the only one that's left.
20:08 < BrandonW> It's nowhere near as important, but I'd still really like it.
20:08 < BrandonW> To experiment with date stamps.
20:08 < BrandonW> And see how important it actually is.
20:08 < leofox> my BOINC is working on C151_105_101 stuff
20:08 < leofox> what is that?
20:09 < BrandonW> Those are the integers they're factoring after this calculator stuff, it doesn't relate to us at all.
20:09 < leofox> oh
20:09 < BrandonW> When I get confirmation that we're done sieving on the date stamp key, I'm shutting my clients down.
20:09 < leofox> might as well close boinc
20:09 < BrandonW> And I'll recommend everyone else to do the same.
20:09 < BrandonW> No, not yet.
20:09 < BrandonW> You might get more date stamp work units.
20:09 < BrandonW> I will scream to high heaven in this channel and others when we're done.
20:09 < leofox> i"m cancelling all the integer ones
20:11 < BrandonW> Then again they might be old test work units.
20:11 < BrandonW> They're ironing out some kinks right now.
20:11 < BrandonW> Some people have gotten old work units.
20:14 < leofox> It's not giving me any date stamp work
20:14 < leofox> I'm shutting it down
20:17 < jr19> leofox: dont give up now!!!
20:19 < BrandonW> I don't want to spend one more cycle unrelated to the keys than I absolutely have to either.
20:19 < BrandonW> But I'm sticking with it until we have the date stamp key.
20:19 < BrandonW> Then I'm done.
20:20 < BrandonW> They certainly won't finish another key before we get ours.
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20:31 <@E-J> apparently mine is doing that c151 also
20:32 <@E-J> i'l wait until topic says we are done, then i'll shut down this thing
20:34 < BrandonW> I'm not entirely sure what the new integers are, but I know it's more legitimate than what we're using the project for.
20:34 < BrandonW> So don't worry that you're contributing to armageddon or something.
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20:34 < incubus> lol
20:35 < BrandonW> I know he put these work units in the queue before the server went down and I think it's still straightening itself out.
20:35 <@E-J> i'm more worried about my processors than armageddon
20:36 <@E-J> i think mersene primes broke my old processor
20:36 < incubus> lol Millinao with the great 183 credits
20:36 < incubus> E-J, doubtful
20:36 < BrandonW> The anticipation for the 02 key is killing me.
20:37 < incubus> which one is that
20:37 < incubus> 73?
20:37 < BrandonW> The 73 OS key, the last one
20:37 < BrandonW> Except for the date stamp key.
20:37 < incubus> when was the 73 first released?
20:38 < BrandonW> I don't know, 1997?
20:38 < incubus> 98?
20:38 < BrandonW> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-73_series BWAHAHAHA, Chameleon is mentioned.
20:39 < BrandonW> The article says 1998, but my oldest TI-73 (version 1.3004, oldest in existence) says 1997.
20:40 < incubus> I see
20:40 < BrandonW> That article should be updated to indicate that the 73 DOES have built-in assembly support.
20:40 < BrandonW> OS 1.40+ anyway.
20:41 < BrandonW> Which is everyone but the aforementioned 1.3004 TI-73.
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20:47 < BrandonW> Nothing but mIRC and the command prompt and my heap usage is at 96.3%.
20:48 < jr19> heh
20:53 < incubus> lewl
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20:54 < BrandonW> I can't even open notepad.
20:54 < BrandonW> I don't even have enough to confirm the keys!
20:56 < Ox41> is there a smaller version of backtrack3 usb?
20:56 < jr19> i doubt it
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21:11  * Randomist wonders if he should re-learn QWERTY, now.
21:12  * Ox41 wonders why `re-learn` is an option
21:14 < Randomist> My muscle memory is fucked from months of Dvorak typing.
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21:15 < jr19> why would you want to re-learn it
21:16 < Randomist> I have to fix lots of computers, and having to work out QWERTY is a pain.
21:17 < jr19> heh
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21:18 < Merthsoft> that's why you should just never unlearn
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21:20 <@Andy_J> and the easiest way to do that is to not switch to dvorak in the first place!
21:20 < Ox41> mmhm
21:20 < BrandonW> 02 key factored!
21:20 < Ox41> ?
21:22 < jr19> game over.
21:25 < Merthsoft> yay!
21:27 < BrandonW> I don't have enough resources to confirm it.
21:27 < BrandonW> All I need is a stable explorer window.
21:28 < Ox41> BrandonW: whats the problemo tho?
21:29 < BrandonW> I haven't restarted my XP Pro machine in 3 months and my desktop heap usage is at 100%.
21:29 < BrandonW> I said I wouldn't restart until the keys were factored.
21:30 < Ox41> what keys?
21:30 < BrandonW> ...
21:30 < Tribal> ...
21:30 < BrandonW> There's no point in even telling you, you don't care.
21:31 < Ox41> ... keys for what?
21:31 < Tribal> calc keys...
21:31 < Ox41> obviously I care enough to take time away from autotrader.com to type it out and hit <enter>
21:31 < Ox41> Yeah, but what do they lock?
21:31 < Ox41> 'lock' if you will
21:31 < Randomist> Ox41:  You missed the news about all the TI-calculator keys being cracked?
21:32 < Randomist> Shame on you.
21:32 < Tribal> ^ what he said
21:32 < jr19> he was abducted by aliens or something for a few weeks there
21:32 < BrandonW> Okay, I have an OS transferring.
21:32 < Tribal> awesome
21:32 < Ox41> Randomist: I haven't had internet for 2 months, leave me alone ;)
21:32 < BrandonW> If it works, we'll have and confirmed all OS and application keys.
21:33 < Merthsoft> so guys, if we have an operating system, what is the point of having a sepparate malloc for the kernel, and one available to the users?
21:34 < leofox> more mallocs are more better
21:34 < leofox> because it's so cool and hip these days
21:34 < Merthsoft> quiet
21:35 < Randomist> Will it have support for external modules?
21:36 < Merthsoft> this is a question for people who have either been in an OS class, or know what their talking about
21:36 < Randomist> Or is that too expensive for an embedded OS/
21:36 < Merthsoft> so like probably Andy_J or BrandonW 
21:37 < BrandonW> I slept through my OS class 2-3 years ago.
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21:38 < BrandonW> It's confirmed! 02 key cracked!
21:38 < Merthsoft> yeah i can't really do that
21:38 < Merthsoft> it's the hardest class in our curriculum
21:38 < BrandonW> It probably was in mine, too.
21:38 < Ox41> BrandonW: WHAT DO THE KEYS DO?!
21:38 < BrandonW> I sat in the back and played some sort of 3D game.
21:38 < BrandonW> That my neighbor showed me.
21:38 < BrandonW> On my laptop.
21:38 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: You're so much smarter than me :(
21:38 < Randomist> Ox41:  They're used for the OS-signing.
21:39 < BrandonW> TI uses cryptographic keys to sign all their OSes and applications, and we just finished cracking all of them.
21:39 < Ox41> so, linux on ticalc?
21:39 < Randomist> Texas Instruments got all butthurt about this, and sent him a DCMA>
21:39 < BrandonW> So now we can create our own OSes and applications for every model, as legitimate as the real TI-OS.
21:39 < BrandonW> They sent DMCA notices to me, Digg, Reddit, everyone.
21:40 < BrandonW> No, you clod, no Linux on calculators.
21:40 < BrandonW> But it does mean we don't have to resort to hacks anymore to install our own OSes.
21:40 < Merthsoft> someone could, theoretically, port unix
21:40 < Ox41> hmm
21:40 < Ox41> sounds cool.
21:41 < Ox41> So, did _YOU_ Right now just make TI- news?
21:41 < Ox41> or did someone else?
21:41 < sir_lewk> any windows guys around?
21:41 < BrandonW> I'm the only one (except the guy who ran msieve) who has the 02 key right now, but no.
21:41 < Ox41> sir_lewk: <-
21:41 < leofox> sir_lewk i'm on windows
21:41 < BrandonW> This is a distributed computing effort.
21:41 < BrandonW> We all did it.
21:41 < Ox41> niiice
21:41 < Ox41> swhaeeet
21:41 < Ox41> thats cool.
21:41 < sir_lewk> my winxp install crashed while trying to hibernate and now whenever it tries to boot it hangs
21:41 < Ox41> what sthe key?
21:42 < sir_lewk> after hard restarting linux hangs as well
21:42 < BrandonW> The point of this was to factor a large integer.
21:42 < Ox41> sir_lewk: hiberfil.sys in C:\somewhere -- delete it.?
21:42 < leofox> sir_lewk boot rescue disk and remove hyberfil.sys
21:42 < BrandonW> So the factors are what we just got.
21:42 < BrandonW> Two large numbers.
21:42 < sir_lewk> k
21:42 < leofox> damn you Ox41
21:42 < BrandonW> I can no longer function, so I'm going to restart now and re-upload the key zip.
21:42 < sir_lewk> ok, lemme try it now...
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21:43 < Ox41> so, how do you use the numbers? is there like ./tisign -a key.zip ? :P
21:43 < Randomist> It's complicated black magic.
21:44 < Ox41> ah
21:44 < Ox41> good answer ;)
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21:46 < dga> regarding rsals:  Has anyone made a serious effort (or is anyone aware of one) to port the sieving step to GPGPU/CUDA?
21:46 <@chronomex> don't think so
21:47 <@chronomex> !t Welcome to #TCPA | Design a banner for picturesofducks.org. Win 5 dollars! | Thanks for factoring! | http://tinyurl.com/MVinWSJ
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21:48 < Merthsoft> you guys are really bad at answering my question
21:49 < Randomist> Nah, just lazy.
21:49 <@chronomex> ^
21:49 < Randomist> Or idle.
21:49 <@chronomex> what's your question?
21:49 < dga> thanks, chronomex.  I'll keep digging a bit more before we start trying. :)
21:50 <@chronomex> mmmkay
21:51 < Merthsoft> so guys, if we have an operating system, what is the point of having a sepparate malloc for the kernel, and one available to the users?
21:51 <@chronomex> they operate differently
21:51 <@chronomex> in different address spaces
21:51 < Merthsoft> i think it might be because kmalloc actually works in realy memory
21:51 < Merthsoft> real*
21:52 <@_Auron_> REALLY MEMORY
21:52 <@chronomex> REALLY RAM
21:52 < Merthsoft> whereas malloc works in the address space and virtual memory of a process
21:52 < Merthsoft> is that it?
21:52 < Randomist> Is it really real, or is it a real illusion?
21:52 <@_Auron_> Reallusion?
21:52 <@chronomex> it's the illusion of a process
21:52 < mokomull> Merthsoft: It's not necessarily what you would call "real memory", since the processor is long since switched into full 32-bit mode....
21:53 <@chronomex> it's physical memory as opposed to pageable memory
21:53 < Merthsoft> that really depends on the processor doesn't it
21:53 < mokomull> Merthsoft: But part of the reason is that the kernel is a global thing not associated with any process, and another reason is that the kernel has no ability to use the C libraries
21:53 <@chronomex> kernel and umode have different needs, really that's about it
21:53 < dga> Merth:  typically, kernel malloc allows you more control over the allocation of the memory -- don't block, don't zero pages, allocate into user page table space, allocate into kernel page table space, etc.
21:53 <@chronomex> they have to be different mallocs
21:53  * mokomull goes back into hiding
21:54 < Merthsoft> dga: that also depends on the implementation of the kmalloc
21:54 <@_Auron_> Merthsoft: http://darkauron.dyshost.com/Android/Files/Tilemapper.apk
21:54 < Merthsoft> the kmalloc i'm working with just takes in a size, just like malloc
21:54 < Merthsoft> _Auron_: I'll put it on when i get home, i'm in the lab right now
21:54 <@_Auron_> ah
21:55 < dga> Merth:  yup.  But you *want* that control in the kernel.  particularly the ability to say "please don't sleep when allocating this" or vise-versa.
21:56 < Merthsoft> imma go with what chronomex said
21:56 < Merthsoft> the physical mem vs pageable
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21:56 <@chronomex> everyone's right, I'm just lazy and didn't write much :P
21:56 < Merthsoft> yeah, i'm sure they are, but yours is a more upper-level one that'll better go with the assignment :)
21:57 < Merthsoft> if i say all that fancy stuff i'll look too smart
21:57 <@chronomex> this is for class
21:57 < dga> That's not really true.  Modern kernels can make use of both pinned and pageable memory, depending on the context.
21:57 <@chronomex> ?
21:57 <@chronomex> fuck you
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21:57 < dga> thank chronomex
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21:57 <@chronomex> Fucker.
21:57 < Merthsoft> calm down
21:57 <@chronomex> NO
21:58 <@chronomex> read your goddamn textbook
21:58 < dga> I have a better answer, chrono.
21:58 <@chronomex> don't ask me questions for homework unless you say "this is homework"
21:58 <@chronomex> if you say that, I'm fine
21:58 <@chronomex> just don't mislead me
21:58 < dga> How does professor Bressoud feel about his students trying to cheat on their assignments, Merth? :)
21:58 < Merthsoft> dude, seriously, chill
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21:58 <@chronomex> BrandonW!
21:58 < Merthsoft> i wasn't cheating, i was asking what they though
21:58 < Merthsoft> t
21:59 <@chronomex> just the man I was wanting to see!
21:59 <@chronomex> how's your heap?
21:59 < BrandonW> I just restarted, and with mIRC and a command prompt, I'm at 6.1%.
21:59 <@_Auron_> 6.1% what?
21:59 <@chronomex> nice
21:59 < BrandonW> Desktop heap usage.
22:00 < Merthsoft> chronomex: I'm sorry I mislead you
22:00 < Merthsoft> next time i'll tell you it's for an assignment
22:01 < Merthsoft> :( forgive me?
22:01 < Merthsoft> can we l together again one day?
22:02 < BrandonW> Pervert.
22:02 < dga> "Question 13.Why are there two separate implementations of 'malloc' (one in kern/lib/kheap.c, called kmalloc(), and one that will eventually be in lib/libc/malloc.c; the standard function prototype for this is given in the libc stdlib.h)? Give one major difference that you anticipate between the two implementations."  -- mmmhm.  You were just asking what they thought.  Right. 
22:02 < BrandonW> How about that, dga's here.
22:03 < Merthsoft> Well, given that I already said what I thought the answer was
22:03 < dga> hi hi. :)
22:03 < BrandonW> We have 14 of 15 keys!
22:03 < Randomist> Pro-tip:  one of the most important keys to successfully getting assignment answers from people is to not let the other person know that's what you're doing!  :)
22:03 < dga> I saw.  Very cool. :)
22:03 < Merthsoft> also, you wanna stop stalking me creepy
22:03 < Merthsoft> stay outta my school's webpage
22:04 < dga> I was merely trying to suggest to you that there are consequences to attempting to cheat.  Especially when one of the people in the forum knows your professor personally...
22:04 < Merthsoft> And I'm merely trying to suggest taht I wasn't attempting to cheat
22:04 < Merthsoft> Just get a confirmation on my suspicions
22:04 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/keys.zip and http://brandonw.net/keys.txt have been updated.
22:05 < BrandonW> I present to you the .key files for every OS and application signing key.
22:05 < Merthsoft> But, if you do know Dr. Bressoud, that's pretty cool. Are you researching with him?
22:05 < dga> Nope;  I'm simply in the same field of research.
22:05 < Merthsoft> Ah, what do you do?
22:05 < dga> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dga/
22:06 < Randomist> That excuse does not work anymore.  :P
22:07 < Merthsoft> Oh, so fault tolerance stuff as well
22:07 < Merthsoft> or am i misreading that
22:08 < incubus> dga, you're standing on a fucking ladder
22:08 < dga> Brandon:  impressive job.
22:08 < BrandonW> Save that zip and spread it everywhere you possibly can, people!
22:08 < dga> You've found me out, incubus.  Don't tell my department head, it'll cost me tenure.  (I'm actually only about 10 feet off the ground bouldering.)
22:09 < Merthsoft> Have you published with him?
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22:09 < efneTI92> [Dantes] <-- This person really is Dantes for sure. Anyone without this infoline is not.
22:09 < Dantes> Hello everyone.
22:09 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Dantes] by etaonrish
22:09 < dga> No, merth.  We just publish at the same conferences.
22:09 < Merthsoft> Ah, that would be neat, though
22:10 < Merthsoft> You're the first person I've met on here that knew anything about Denison at all
22:10 < incubus> dga, you any good with electronics?
22:10 < dga> Not very.  I'm a software person.  I can burn things with a soldering iron, but it mostly stops there.  Why?
22:10 < Merthsoft> except maybe bsparks, but he deosn't count since he's pretty close
22:11 <+Dantes> :)
22:11 < TD-Linux> I'm good with electronics :)
22:11 < incubus> dga, when will quantum computing render electronics obselete? :)
22:11 < incubus> or at least silicon chips
22:12 < Merthsoft> dga: Have you ever been here?
22:12 < dga> M:  nope.
22:12 < dga> i:  crystal ball cloudy, please try again later.
22:12 < Merthsoft> Oh, sad :( it's a beautiful campus
22:12 < incubus> lol
22:13  * Randomist shakes his Bash 8-Ball.
22:13 < dga> (I don't think anyone can answer that question yet...)
22:13 < Randomist> "Concentrate and ask again."
22:13 < Merthsoft> i'v never been to carnegie mellon, but you guys squash us at the programming contests quite a bit
22:13 <@_Auron_> incubus: That might be what my first english essay is about
22:13 < dga> No credit to me.  We've got awesome ugrads.
22:14 < BrandonW> The only key left is the date stamp key and that's common to every model, so it's in the 68k community's best interests to factor it.
22:14 < BrandonW> So I don't think there's any way we can screw this up now.
22:14 < dga> brandon:  mirrored and sent to a couple of friends for safekeeping.
22:14 < Merthsoft> Well, we keep our own pretty well in the specific place we go, by CM kills us regionally
22:14 < BrandonW> I'll update Wikileaks once we get the last key.
22:15 < dga> any guesses on how long sieving for that is expected to take?  A few of my students need machines to beat up, and the most likely ones to use are the ones cracking keys..
22:15 < Merthsoft> How's the CE grad program there?
22:15 < dga> I can delay by a day or two if that's all it is. :)
22:16 <+Dantes> Hey Auron
22:16 < BrandonW> I can't get a straight answer from anyone yet; we MIGHT already be done sieving that key, which means it would now be in the hands of somebody's quad core PC. I really hope that's the case, but considering we were all factoring the date stamp key before the server went down and we don't really know what state it's in now, I'd say wait a couple of days.
22:16 <+Dantes> Doing well with your game programming, I've read? :)
22:16 < dga> It's ECE here, technically.  It's very good, though as with any of the top-four schools, there are some areas where we're stronger and weaker.  I don't actually know the sub-areas within ECE as well as I do for CS.
22:17 < dga> (eg, we've got a *huge* computer security group in ECE that's absolutely top-tier;  I assume we also have some weaker spots.)
22:17 < dga> I'll keep the computers sieving until Monday then, Brandon.
22:17 < Merthsoft> Ah, ok. I have a friend who said the robotics is pretty good, which is what I did my summer research (and will be continuing with this year) in
22:18 < BrandonW> Thanks for contributing all your computers...it probably wouldn't have been so fast if not for you.
22:18 < BrandonW> Well, it definitely wouldn't have been as fast, that's a given.
22:18 <@Andy_J> Merthsoft: because kernel memory is sacred
22:18 < BrandonW> But it was a huge help.
22:19 <@Andy_J> and can't be swapped out
22:19 < Merthsoft> shshsh Andy_J you're gonna get my in trouble
22:19 <@Andy_J> (most of the time)
22:19 < dga> Robotics here is one of the strong points.  They're actually not as much in ECE as they are in computer science -- plus mech e and related fields.  
22:20 < Merthsoft> Ah, ok. Where tends to be the devider? I usually think of robots as ECE
22:20 < dga> and now, back to real life.  happy calculatoring.  thanks for the update, Brandon!
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22:20  * BrandonW squeals
22:21 < BrandonW> I hope the ticalc.org article's ready, chronomex.
22:21 < BrandonW> I have to say, I never thought I'd see the day when we had all these keys.
22:22 < Merthsoft> chronomex: can we still be friends :(
22:24 < BrandonW> OS2 now generates valid .73u and .8xu files for the 73, 83+/SE, 84+/SE, and Free83P-equipped calculators in one step.
22:24 < BrandonW> This makes me so happy.
22:24 < Merthsoft> i hope that dga guy doesn't get all upitty and email my prof.
22:24 < BrandonW> I'm sure he won't.
22:25 < Merthsoft> well good
22:25 < Merthsoft> i doubt i'd get in serious trouble for wanting to confirm the answer
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22:25 < Merthsoft> but it'd be a pain
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22:26 < BrandonW> dietsche, all OS and application keys factored!
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22:26 < Tar1> it's time.. to debug silent linking, methinks :(
22:26 <+dietsche> cool!
22:26 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/keys.zip Save it and distribute it any way you can think of.
22:27 < Merthsoft> imma email it to ti
22:27 <+dietsche> lol
22:27 < Randomist> Do it!
22:27 < Merthsoft> be like "Fuck you bitches"
22:27 < BrandonW> I'm going to print it all off and send it in a manilla envlope to Herbert Foster.
22:27 < Merthsoft> hahaha
22:27 < Randomist> Everyone should send copies to them.
22:28 < BrandonW> envelope*
22:28 <+dietsche> got it... the 11 looked wierd
22:28 <+dietsche> but it's in hex :)
22:29 < BrandonW> :)
22:30 <+dietsche> are the keys uploaded to ticalc.org?
22:31 < BrandonW> No, that's the only place they're at right now.
22:31 <+dietsche> oh
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22:31 < BrandonW> I'm pretty sure they're not permitted on ticalc.org.
22:31 <+dietsche> really?
22:31 < BrandonW> They're going to be posted to Wikileaks.
22:31 < BrandonW> Magnus didn't want them in the article at least.
22:32 <+dietsche> i thought their server is in sweden or something
22:32 < BrandonW> Every site that has ever linked to the keys or the forum thread containing the keys has felt the wrath of TI.
22:32 < BrandonW> Yeah, but I guess he doesn't want to take the chance of something happening.
22:32 <+dietsche> I'm surprised TI hasn't said anything since the DCMA letters
22:32 < BrandonW> The BOINC project leaders are terrified as well.
22:32 <@_Auron_> TI is so emo
22:32 < BrandonW> And they're in France.
22:33 <+dietsche> i don't even know how boinc works....
22:33 < BrandonW> Me neither really, but the server we're all posting to is in France as well.
22:33 <+dietsche> oh
22:33 <+dietsche> i didn't actually do any factoring :)
22:33 < BrandonW> Shame.
22:34 <+dietsche> lol.... i think observing was enough
22:34 <+dietsche> i'm just not sure of the laws in the US, so i decided to stay out
22:35 < Merthsoft> am i gonna get in trouble for sieving?
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22:35 < BrandonW> Once it dies down, I'll probably put the key files in brandonw.net/calcstuff.
22:35 < Merthsoft> fuck, imma get kicked outta school for cheating, and then arrested by the FBI
22:35 < BrandonW> I know that if TI actually looked at that directory, I'd have disappeared long ago.
22:35 < Merthsoft> thanks a lot #tcpa
22:35 < BrandonW> You're not going to get in trouble.
22:35 < BrandonW> If TI took legal action on everyone who ever used the BOINC client for this project, it would be huge news.
22:35 < Merthsoft> there're probalby FBI agents sitting in here, just like snitches for my profs.
22:35 < BrandonW> And they don't want that.
22:36 <@chronomex> Merthsoft: maybe, I don't know though
22:36 < BrandonW> I think their biggest goal is to keep this under wraps.
22:36 <@_Auron_> why would the FBI care about TI?
22:36 <@_Auron_> TI CARES 
22:36 <@_Auron_> ... ABOUT ITSELF
22:36 <@chronomex> 1-800-TI-HATES-YOU
22:36 <@_Auron_> :D
22:36 < Merthsoft> chronomex: but but but
22:36 <+dietsche> nooo
22:36 <+dietsche> ti-cares :P
22:36 <@chronomex> 1-800-TI-WANTS-MONEY
22:36 < Merthsoft> i never meant to mislead you :(
22:36 <@_Auron_> 1-800-NUMBERS-TOO-LONG
22:37 < Merthsoft> number can't be too long, anything you put after it will jsut be ignored
22:37 <@chronomex> depends on your phone + carrier
22:37 < Merthsoft> oh
22:37 < BrandonW> chronomex speaks truth.
22:37 < Tar1> TI-HATES has a certain ring to it, though
22:37 < BrandonW> He knows phones.
22:37 < Merthsoft> you're responding to me, that means we're friends again
22:38 <@_Auron_> tilemapper doesn't drop below 55FPS in 4.1.6 cyanogen rom <3
22:38 <@_Auron_> donut ftw
22:39 <@chronomex> Tar1: hmmmm, nice
22:39 <@chronomex> 800-TI-HATES is taken by some boring company :(
22:39 < Tar1> ..whuh?
22:39 < Tar1> oh
22:40 < Merthsoft> that's sad
22:40 <@_Auron_> I need to change my google voice number to *RETRID*
22:40 <@_Auron_> don't want to spend $10 on that right now though
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22:50 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: Have you made any progress on the OS at all
22:50 < Merthsoft> and also using my 84?
22:51 < BrandonW> I just resumed working on it.
22:51 < BrandonW> Your 84+SE will go towards the remote control project.
22:51 < BrandonW> When I get to it.
22:51 < BrandonW> Its purpose is clear.
22:51 <@chronomex> remote control project?
22:51 < Merthsoft> i know that
22:51 < Merthsoft> but when will you get to iiiiiit
22:51 < BrandonW> Years ago I had a web paeg set up where you could remote control my real 83+.
22:51 < BrandonW> page*
22:52 < BrandonW> It would show you the screen and you could "press" keys on it.
22:52 <@chronomex> neat
22:52 <@chronomex> how would it do the keypressing?
22:52 < BrandonW> The OS has built-in support for sending remote control/keypress link packets, and screenshot requests.
22:53 <@chronomex> ah, so does the 89s
22:53 < BrandonW> It was really just a PC program being a proxy between the calculator and the web site.
22:53 <@chronomex> maybe I could do something like that
22:53 < BrandonW> Go for it.
22:53 < BrandonW> I'd imagine all the models have it because that's how TI Connect/TI-Graph Link gets you back to the homescreen.
22:53 < BrandonW> For transfers.
22:53 <@chronomex> yeah
22:54 <@chronomex> 68k doesn't have to be on homescreen for transfers, iirc
22:54 <@chronomex> just has to be in the AMS's event loop
22:54 < BrandonW> Neither does the z80s, frankly. There's really no purpose for that.
22:54 < BrandonW> _getKey is what responds to silent link requests on the z80s.
22:54 <@chronomex> hm
22:54 <@chronomex> ngetchx does it on 68k
22:54 < Merthsoft> it's safer that way
22:54 <@chronomex> iirc
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22:55 < incubus> BrandonW is a newfag
22:55 < Merthsoft> does your OS do anything yet BrandonW?
22:55 < BrandonW> Yeah, if you were remotely transferring an updated version of the application that's currently running (and waiting for _getKey), you would want to be on the homescreen for that.
22:55 < BrandonW> I'm trying my best to get dual booting with the TI-OS working.
22:55 <@chronomex> neat
22:55 < BrandonW> It blinks a cursor and has APD and the ability to turn on and off.
22:55 < BrandonW> And it can display stuff.
22:55 < BrandonW> And it has I/O silent linking to receive another OS.
22:55 < Tar1> debugging linking is really a pain..
22:55 < BrandonW> That's about it.
22:56 < BrandonW> Tell me about it, it was rough getting silent linking started.
22:56 <@chronomex> mmm
22:56 < BrandonW> Just imagine how hard direct USB will be.
22:56 <@chronomex> sheeyit
22:56 <@chronomex> but
22:56 <@chronomex> when we've got it down
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22:56 <@chronomex> girls will be all "you did what?"
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22:57 < Merthsoft> How would dual booting work?
22:57 <@chronomex> and then we explain
22:57 <@chronomex> and they'll still be confused
22:57 < Tar1> I'm just setting up a framework to check my send/recieve routines work
22:57 < Merthsoft> Is there enough room for two OSs?
22:57 < BrandonW> You speak truth.
22:57 <@chronomex> Merthsoft: replace the bootstrap in the rom (that runs after the bootloader) with a menu
22:57 < BrandonW> Because my OS is currently so small, yes, there is enough room for two OSes.
22:57 < BrandonW> When it grows larger and can't accommodate the TI-OS, it won't matter, because the OS will be viable enough to replace the TI-OS.
22:58 < Merthsoft> oooh
22:58 < Merthsoft> that's hot
22:58 < Merthsoft> will you marry me?
22:58 < BrandonW> I'm afraid not.
22:58 < Merthsoft> why not?
22:58 < BrandonW> The purpose of this temporary dual booting is to make the OS useful and give you a reason to actually install it.
22:58 <@chronomex> aye
22:58 < BrandonW> Which I hope will encourage more use of it.
22:59 < BrandonW> And interest.
22:59 <@chronomex> can you choose on every poweron?
22:59 < Merthsoft> i wanna make an os that's just a python shell
22:59 < BrandonW> You currently hold down [X,T,theta,n] while turning on to get to the menu.
23:00 < Tar1> bah, what's the TI-OS bcall to send a byte via the link port?
23:00 <@chronomex> nice
23:01 < BrandonW> _SendAByte?
23:01 < Tar1> that'll do
23:01 < BrandonW> That stuff's tedious to rip out of the OS, I already did it in linklow.asm in OS2 if you want to grab it.
23:02 < Tar1> I've never had reason to use it, so I didn't know what it was called..
23:02 < Tar1> I've got the send and receive written for single bytes
23:02 < Tar1> I just need to be sure they work
23:02 < BrandonW> By writing a test program on the TI-OS?
23:02 < BrandonW> in*
23:03 < Tar1> yeah
23:03 < BrandonW> Who took the BOINC link out of the topic?
23:03 < BrandonW> WE ARE NOT DONE YET!
23:03 <@chronomex> orly?
23:04 <@chronomex> I didn't realize :(
23:04 < Tar1> then run them both in PTI
23:04 < BrandonW> yarly
23:04 <@chronomex> well I suppose you can put it back
23:04 < BrandonW> We still have one more key.
23:04 < BrandonW> This is what I was afraid of, people giving up once we got to the last key.
23:04 < BrandonW> Because they would start seeing unrelated work units.
23:04 < BrandonW> And figure we were done.
23:06 <@chronomex> okay
23:06 <@chronomex> so put it back into the topic
23:06 < BrandonW> no u
23:06 < Merthsoft> if it's the last key, how is there another key
23:07 < BrandonW> They're adding other integers to factor so the computers can be doing stuff while others aer working on the date stamp key.
23:07 < BrandonW> And just because you don't see any more date stamp work units doesn't mean we're done.
23:07 < BrandonW> More can be added later.
23:08 < Merthsoft> mine's doing datestamp stuff
23:08 < Merthsoft> i thought it had gotten broken or something though
23:08 < BrandonW> It's doing stmp work units right now?
23:09 < BrandonW> It was broken, and there are hundreds of old work units in the queue.
23:09 < BrandonW> Not to mention the new integers.
23:09 < BrandonW> So it's hard telling who has the stmp jobs.
23:09 < BrandonW> And how done we are.
23:10 < Merthsoft> yeah, it's stmp
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23:12 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
23:13 < incubus> BrandonW is spreading lies
23:13 < incubus> I'm sure stmp was done
23:13 < BrandonW> How are you sure?
23:13 < BrandonW> I really hope that's right.
23:13 < BrandonW> But we can't know for sure yet.
23:13 < incubus> what would the point be of putting it on hold
23:13 < BrandonW> Are you even reading what I'm saying?
23:13 < BrandonW> The server went down.
23:14 <@chronomex> ... again.
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23:14 < BrandonW> It came back up with hundreds of old jobs in the queue somehow.
23:14 < BrandonW> IN ADDITION TO the new integers to factor.
23:14 < BrandonW> Those are getting distributed ahead of the stmp jobs.
23:14 < BrandonW> For SOME people.
23:14 < BrandonW> THEREFORE everyone needs to keep sieving.
23:14 < BrandonW> To flush out the crap we don't care about and get to the stuff we DO.
23:14 < BrandonW> Meaning the stmp jobs.
23:15 < BrandonW> They are working on removing the old jobs.
23:15 < TheStorm> I think I overloaded Benryves site by posting a link on Hack A Day :/
23:15 < BrandonW> Cool, what link was it?
23:15 < TheStorm> it was to the project page of his z80 computer
23:16 < Tar1> wait, that was Ben?
23:16 < TheStorm> No it was someone else, I posted a link to Ben's in the comments
23:17 < Tar1> yeah, I just pulled it up
23:17 < TheStorm> Ben's in way cooler IMO since his includes an LCD and such
23:18 < TheStorm> but yeah Benryves.com is down, I feel like I should apologize, but then again he posted a comment a little farther down
23:18 < BrandonW> Why apologize for the Slashdot effect?
23:19 < BrandonW> It's a good thing!
23:19 < TheStorm> I guess
23:19 < TheStorm> I wonder if hack a day would do an article about the TI signing keys
23:20 < Tar1> I bet they would
23:20 < Tar1> it involves brute-forcing RSA, after all
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23:22 < BrandonW> They'd get a DMCA takedown notice and blindly comply.
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23:24 < TheStorm> BrandonW, not if they don't include the key's in the post, or link to a site with they key's 
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23:29 < Tar1> that's a good wign
23:29 < Tar1> sign, even
23:29 < Tar1> wait, no, that means nothing
23:29 < BrandonW> lol
23:30 <+Dantes> It's a good wign, yes.
23:30 < Tar1> woo
23:30 < Tar1> wait.. failed
23:31 < Tar1> I'm sending FF but the recieve routine says I get 00
23:31 < Tar1> hopefully I just got the lines swapped
23:31 < TheStorm> After looking at teh quackenchat source, I now Know why MS killed eVB for VB.net, and hate the both of them
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23:40 < Tar1> ok, this linking is failing HARD
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23:44 < Tar1> I'm receiving 00 but sending FF, and TI-OS crashes
23:45 < BrandonW> Are you sure it's crashing?
23:45 < BrandonW> You do know you have to res indicOnly,(iy+indicFlags) after using linking BCALLs like that, right?
23:45 < BrandonW> Otherwise keypresses won't be registered.
23:45 < BrandonW> And it will appear to hang.
23:46 < Tar1> it throws an error with garbage onscreen
23:46 < TheStorm> WTF, the New Revised Standard translation of the bible isn't public domain, that's Bull crap
23:46 < Tar1> doesn't actually crash, I guess, just displays garbage
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23:48  * dietsche is glad the New Revised Standard Translation doesn't crash ;)
23:48 < BrandonW> I smell Scientology afoot.
23:49 < TheStorm> BrandonW, that is the most widely accepted Bible Translation and the One my Theo class requires, the only down side to Going to Marquette
23:49 < TheStorm> so I think it has to do more with religious printers wanting to make a buck than anything
23:50 < BrandonW> I just felt like mentioning Scientology.
23:50 < Tar1> Going to Marquette!  Now in theatres!
23:50 < TheStorm> :P
23:51 < TheStorm> F you Tar1 Oh and BTW have you eaten any pasties yet?
23:51 < Tar1> that took me a moment to parse
23:51 < Tar1> none recently, no
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23:55 < TheStorm> but, your right near the best place in teh world to get them and their so Tasty, omnomnomnom
23:56 < BrandonW> That took me a moment to parse.
23:58 < TheStorm> It appears the NSRV is in fact copyrighted which makes me cringe just thinking about it, a copyrighted bible.
23:59 < TheStorm> Not that anyone here cares
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