--- Log opened Tue Sep 08 00:00:04 2009
--- Day changed Tue Sep 08 2009
00:00 < BrandonW> I'm sure it's not intentional, but still.
00:00 < millinao> well, I bet it isn't
00:02 < BrandonW> That took a lot longer than normal.
00:02 < BrandonW> Usually someone says well before I even finish ranting.
00:03 < i_c-Y> well, nobody cares anymore
00:03 < BrandonW> :(
00:09 < TD-Linux> well, at least you don't seem to notice that last.fm is STILL DOWN >:(
00:09 < millinao> i never got the point of last.fm
00:10 < BrandonW> I never really used it.
00:10 < BrandonW> It only makes sense that the internet would break today.
00:13 < i_c-Y> last.fm works fine, TD-Linux 
00:14 < Randomist> millinao:  The point is generally for recommedations.
00:14 < Randomist> It recommends me everything I already have, so I stopped using it.
00:15 < millinao> haha
00:16 < Randomist> It even recommended myself to me.  :P
00:16 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: what're we sieving right now?
00:16 < millinao> stmp something
00:16 < millinao> dunno what it stands for
00:16 < millinao> also, they won't upload for me
00:17 < Randomist> Send Mail Transfer Protocol, or something like that?
00:20 < BrandonW> The date stamp key.
00:21 < BrandonW> 3 keys left, 0108 and 02 are in the final phase (hopefully they'll finish), and we're sieving the date stamp key.
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00:23 <+Michael_V> what would you say if I discovered that the TI-81 (later versions) are half memory mapped LCD, and half LCD driver?
00:24 <+Netham45> blasphemer.
00:24 <+Michael_V> what would you, excluding Netham45, say if I discovered that the TI-81 (later versions) are half memory mapped LCD, and half LCD driver?
00:24 <+Netham45> :(
00:25 < DrDnar> I'd say, "Tell me more."
00:25 <+Michael_V> I think when TI transitioned the hardware versions, they simply added a copying routine
00:26 <+Michael_V> rather than rewrite the code
00:26 <+Michael_V> and they used OUTI
00:26 <+Michael_V> in the routine
00:26 < DrDnar> How in world can it be half and half?
00:26 < DrDnar> Is the LCD made with milk?
00:27 <+Michael_V> it was originally memory mapped in the earlier versions
00:27 <+Michael_V> the later versions still just write their screen data to memory
00:27 < BrandonW> It's either memory mapped or it's not. Other functions of the LCD could be controlled by ports, of course.
00:27 <+Michael_V> but since it's an LCD driver, the OS then periodically copies it to the LCD driver
00:27 <+Michael_V> to display it
00:27 < Randomist> DrDnar:  White LCD would be cool.
00:27 < BrandonW> So the later versions are not memory-mapped, as I suspected.
00:27 <+Michael_V> yes
00:27 <+Michael_V> but it's even worse
00:28 <+Michael_V> they've managed to combine the worst of both
00:28 < BrandonW> They have an area of memory they use for LCD contents and it gets copied out constantly, but it's tsill not memory mapped.
00:28 <+Michael_V> yes
00:28 <+Michael_V> the next question is how often is it copied
00:28 <+Michael_V> I didn't see it in the interrupts
00:28 < DrDnar> It's a quater of one way, a quarter of the other, and the other half missing.
00:29 < BrandonW> This might not actually be a bad thing, it's non-memory-mapped and apparently no need for LCD delays since it has OUTI.
00:29 <+Michael_V> well no
00:29 < BrandonW> Either that or the hardware is handling it itself.
00:29 < BrandonW> well
00:29 <+Michael_V> OUTI is not OTIR
00:29 <+Michael_V> OUTI is meaningless
00:29 <+Michael_V> just TI being silly
00:29 <+Michael_V> it needs delays just the same
00:29 < BrandonW> I misread.
00:29 <+Michael_V> so my next step is to patch over this LCD copy with my special opcode
00:30 <+Michael_V> for emu8x speedup
00:30 <+Michael_V> and this should take care of the interrupt problem
00:30 <+Michael_V> somehow since I didn't think ports 10 and 11 existed, it was writing to 3
00:30 <+Michael_V> definitely treats it as memory mapped
00:30 <+Michael_V> there's not a single in a,(11h) anywhere in the ROM
00:30  * Michael_V is so excited
00:31 < BrandonW> Now we know how they quickly transitioned to different hardware.
00:32 <+Michael_V> so one could say that the TI-85, which we all thought was rather different from the TI-81, really wasn't that much
00:32 <+Michael_V> I always presumed they took a sort of semi-fresh start with the 85
00:32 <+Michael_V> but the 81 was memory mapped, so really not
00:32  * Michael_V wonders if it's too late to quit and get a degree in calculator history
00:35 < Randomist> !q 666
00:36 < Randomist> Yay, bot's broke again.
00:37  * Michael_V dances
00:37 <+Michael_V> I never realized how happy Emu8x makes me
00:37 <+Michael_V> I get to write about emulating calculators
00:37 <+Michael_V> but I don't have to even do it in C on a computer
00:37 <+Michael_V> I get to write the emulator for a calculator in Z80!
00:37 <+Michael_V> it's double the pleasure
00:38  * Michael_V sings: double the pleasure, double the fun, with the doubling of a Z80 with Emu8x-gum
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00:48 < Randomist> I wanted to learn Python, but they say it is bloated, and I wanted to learn Ruby, but they say it is bloated...
00:48 < Randomist> I need something I can learn very fast, but is not bloated.
00:49 < DrDnar> When you find such a language, please tell me.
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00:49 < Randomist> Someone pointed me at Lua.
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00:50 < Tar1> bloat is subjective
00:50 < Tar1> Haskell is nice
00:51 < Randomist> Haskell would have to have a few things make it into the core utilities before I went with it.
00:51 < Randomist> The compiler is too huge.
00:52 < Randomist> Certanily not Flash drive-friendly.
00:52 < Tar1> to be fair, ghc packages usually include ghci
00:52 < Tar1> so you get a compiler and interpreter all at once
00:52 < Tar1> not to mention gcc + glibc are pretty huge
00:53 < Randomist> Yeah, but you need those to build practically anything on Linux.
00:54 < Randomist> And I mean that in a "so-many-things-depend-on-them-if-you-want-to-build-anything"-sort of way.
00:55 < millinao> python isn't bloated; who says it's bloated?
00:58 < Randomist> "The overhead that Python needs is incredible. A Lnux system has a whole lot of shared libraries, just look in /usr/lib, but Python is unable to use them directly and requires a huge amount of binding layers. Not only does that add bloat but it also slows down execution."
00:59 < Tar1> you can say that for anything that's not C[++]..
00:59 < Tar1> it's FUD
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01:02 < millinao> also, so what if it slows down
01:02 < millinao> you don't care about that tiny bit of time anyway
01:03 < Tar1> and don't forget the ctypes module
01:04 < Tar1> which "allows calling functions in DLLs or shared libraries. It can be used to wrap these libraries in pure Python."
01:04 < Tar1> so, that's totally wrong
01:06 < Randomist> Should I go with 2.6 or 3.0?
01:06 < Tar1> whichever makes you happier
01:06 < Tar1> 3.0 is a bit cleaner
01:07 < TD-Linux> i_c-Y, my last.fm is still dead
01:07 < TD-Linux> maybe they hate me for playing it during all waking hours
01:07 < TD-Linux> i_c-Y: their website is even down
01:07 < Randomist> I thought they made the radios non-free, now.
01:08 < millinao> 2.6 if you want to use some modules that don't have 3.0 versions
01:08 < millinao> pygame doesn't have a 3.0 version out I don't think
01:08 < TD-Linux> I can't even get to the homepage
01:08 < Tar1> yeah
01:09 < Tar1> django is still on 2.6
01:09 < TD-Linux> want to compare dns?
01:09 < TD-Linux> PING last.fm (195.24.233.53) 56(84) bytes of data.
01:09 < Tar1> I keep both 2.6 and 3.0 about, but do all my own work on 3.0 (when I don't need something that hasn't been updated)
01:09 < i_c-Y> same
01:10 < i_c-Y> Pinging last.fm [195.24.233.53] with 32 bytes of data:
01:10 < i_c-Y> Reply from 195.24.233.53: bytes=32 time=249ms TTL=51
01:10 < i_c-Y> other replies were ~ 80- 90 ms
01:10 < TD-Linux> no replies here :(
01:10 < TD-Linux> also the two "is it down?" sites have conflicting reports
01:11 < TD-Linux> netsplit of ISPs?
01:11 < TD-Linux> not just me either
01:11 < TD-Linux> http://twitter.com/emuempathy/statuses/3828408228
01:12 < i_c-Y> theres a really good website for hcekcking this that checks like a billion things
01:13 < TD-Linux> w00t it came back about 30 seconds ago according to twitter
01:13 < i_c-Y> i just cant remember what it is
01:13 < i_c-Y> it never went down for me.
01:14 < millinao> i_c-Y, http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
01:15 < i_c-Y> no that one sucks
01:15 < i_c-Y> cause it only uses one source 
01:15 < millinao> oh, didn't even know there was another
01:16  * Randomist decides to try Lua instead.
01:16 < i_c-Y> theres one that does like 30 isp
01:16 < i_c-Y> 's
01:16 < TD-Linux> indeed that one said last.fm was up
01:16 < TD-Linux> when it wasn't
01:16 < TD-Linux> for some people that is...
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01:29 < Randomist> Is there a tutorial that will teach me in a way so when version 3 does get popular, it won't be much to port over?
01:29 < Randomist> (Or I won't have to at all?)
01:30 < Tar1> there's not much to deal with
01:30 < Tar1> the big one is print becoming a builtin function rather than a keyword
01:31 < Tar1> something about list comprehensions which I haven't used.. and little changes in various modules
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01:32 < Tar1> in fact, here's everything: http://docs.python.org/3.1/whatsnew/3.0.html
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02:35 < Genolo> i_c-Y I SAW YOU IN #DON'TWHOISMEYOUFUCKINGASSHOLE
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02:46 < tev> Anyone have any 68k calc programs in mind that you feel should have been featured on ticalc.org in the past but never were? I'm looking for suggestions.
02:48 < Randomist> There was a nice XKCD-ish Smash Brothers-like clone.
02:48 < Randomist> I don't remember the name of it.
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02:57 < efneTI92> [Netham46] "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." -Scissors
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03:09 < i_c-Y> tev: do you have a list of the 68k programs that have been featured?
03:09 < i_c-Y> Genolo: ?
03:09 < Genolo> hi
03:10 < i_c-Y> wait nvm, tev
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03:12 < i_c-Y> i havent used a 68k ina  long time
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03:27 < incubus> BrandonW, stmp looks like it's done
03:27 < Merthsoft> my client says otherwise
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03:39 < Randomist> ^ Much DATA in TI-89 math and religeon.
03:39 < Randomist> * religion
03:40 < tev> unsads.com has been down all day
03:40 <@chronomex> :(
03:40 <@chronomex> lame
03:42 < tev> My computer is sitting here with nothing to do now
03:44 <@chronomex> how sad
03:44 <@chronomex> you should give me an account on it
03:45 < BrandonW> 0108 is done.
03:45 < BrandonW> 2 keys remain.
03:50 <@chronomex> wow, this person doesn't take himself seriously at all: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/421/42118.html
03:50 <@chronomex> the filename
03:50 <@chronomex> the name of the readme
03:50 <@chronomex> the description
03:55 < Tar1> ah yes
03:55 < Tar1> "fun way to kill sum time roflcopter"
03:55 < Tar1> couldn't have said it better if I was _trying_ to troll him
03:56 <@chronomex> heh
03:57 < DrDnar> this is the worst readme file ever...
03:57 < DrDnar> w00t
03:57 <@chronomex> wow, my apt is loud
03:57 <@chronomex> dehumidifier
03:57 <@chronomex> fans
03:57 <@chronomex> ethernet switch whose fan has a bad bearing
03:58 <@chronomex> what sounds like starcraft
03:58 < BrandonW> Michael uploaded Elements to the 73 Flash application folder on ticalc.org.
03:58 < BrandonW> This is the first public 0102-signed application.
03:58 < DrDnar> I was about to mention that.
03:58 < DrDnar> He got that done fast.
03:58 < BrandonW> I'm signing an application with 0108 right now and transferring to my Voyage 200 to confirm it.
03:59 < BrandonW> I'm the one that tested it for him.
03:59 < Merthsoft> you should upload the TI-89 BrandonW Edition OS
03:59 <@chronomex> lol
03:59 <@chronomex> that's Copyright Infringement
03:59 < BrandonW> no u
03:59 < Merthsoft> is not
04:00 < BrandonW> Yep, it took it.
04:00 < BrandonW> 0108 confirmed cracked.
04:01 < DrDnar> Some people will download anything. . . .
04:02 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/keys.zip and http://brandonw.net/keys.txt updated.
04:02 < BrandonW> 36 hours remain (hopefully) on the 73 OS key.
04:02 < BrandonW> And we may never see the date stamp key get out of phase 2.
04:02 <@chronomex> :(
04:02 < BrandonW> If I can get a confirmation that TI intervened, I'll start factoring the date stamp key myself.
04:03 < DrDnar> Perhaps I can get some of these old computeres here active.
04:03 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: what's the date stamp give us
04:03 < DrDnar> Will the cracking software run on Linux?
04:03 <@chronomex> probably not
04:03 < BrandonW> Yes.
04:04 < BrandonW> The United TI thread explains how to do it.
04:04 < BrandonW> Start from page 1.
04:04 < DrDnar> We could start our own key cracking distro.
04:04 < BrandonW> Merthsoft, it gives us the ability to sign date stamps. :) I'm not sure they're used for anything at all significant.
04:04 < BrandonW> It's one of the least important keys.
04:04 < Merthsoft> what's a date stamp?
04:04 < Merthsoft> :(
04:05 < BrandonW> A specific date. Every Flash application has 5/12/1999 as a dummy date stamp.
04:05 < BrandonW> There has never been a need to change it.
04:05 < BrandonW> The certificate has one as well, but I'm not sure what date it is.
04:05 < BrandonW> I'm not sure if it's every significant, except possibly in the use of trial applications.
04:05 < Merthsoft> ah, ok
04:06 < BrandonW> Which were defeated eons ago anyway.
04:06 < Merthsoft> so why would TI intervene in that?
04:06 < BrandonW> ever*
04:06 < BrandonW> They're idiots and were simply too late to stop the important keys.
04:06 < BrandonW> But they think they've done something good.
04:06 <@chronomex> ^
04:06 <@chronomex> correction
04:06 < Merthsoft> ha
04:06 <@chronomex> their lawyers think they've done something good
04:08 < BrandonW> Absolute worst case, 6 months until we have all the keys (02 and the date stamp key, 3 months per key).
04:08 < BrandonW> More likely 3 months since I think 02 will succeed.
04:08 < Merthsoft> there're two left and we've been doin this for not so long
04:08 < Merthsoft> how'll it take 3 months?
04:08 < BrandonW> It's 3 months on a single PC.
04:08 < BrandonW> The BOINC project may be dead.
04:09 < Merthsoft> ooh, i see
04:09 < DSP_Lord> BOINC got killed by TI>
04:09 < DSP_Lord> *?
04:09 <@chronomex> p'raps
04:09 < BrandonW> That is an unconfirmed rumor.
04:10 < BrandonW> IF they did something, it would be rather significant because the server is in France.
04:10 < DSP_Lord> ...
04:10 < DSP_Lord> perhaps the server is down?
04:10 < BrandonW> That's a possibility.
04:10 < BrandonW> We don't know.
04:10 <@chronomex> there's always that possibility
04:11 < DSP_Lord> i find it very unlikely that a French server would cave to an American company.
04:11 < DSP_Lord> although, this IS France we're talking about <_<
04:11 < BrandonW> squalyl was talking about some sort three strikes law.
04:11 < BrandonW> He has reason to be scared.
04:11 < BrandonW> I don't know why.
04:11 < BrandonW> But he is.
04:11 < BrandonW> sort of*
04:12 <@E-J> france is famous of how they can start strike from about anything
04:12 < DrDnar> We should also crack at least one calculator's public key.
04:12 < BrandonW> We know the server has crashed before. I think it's far more likely that the server is just down (I think squalyl is even on vacation or something, Lionel Debroux has been coordinating most of this for many days now).
04:12 < BrandonW> Besides, there is a ridiculous amount of information on United TI that I know they have a problem with.
04:12 < BrandonW> And yet that site is still up.
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04:13 < BrandonW> Heck, half the keys are ON the thread they sent DMCA notices about.
04:13 < tkoi> hey i'm having trouble with gb68k, anyone want to help me out?
04:14 < BrandonW> There are relatively few 68k people here, and plus this channel sucks, so I doubt you'll get a lot of help.
04:14 < Merthsoft> NIGHT GUYS
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04:14 < Merthsoft> :( awe we suck
04:14 < efneTI92> [LordMathi] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
04:14 < LordMathi> fucking tubes.
04:14 < tkoi> where's the best place to ask then?
04:14 < bsparks> night
04:15 < BrandonW> I'm not sure. The only 68k channel in my head is #tigcc on FreeQuest, but it's not so friendly either.
04:15  * LordMathi slaps DSP_Lord around a bit with a large trout
04:15 < tkoi> i'll try it
04:15 < LordMathi> we'll see you in about 2 minutes once you get kickbanned.
04:15 <@chronomex> heh
04:15 <@chronomex> man
04:15 <@chronomex> so tru
04:15 <@chronomex> e
04:16 < BrandonW> Take no offense if you get banned from there.
04:16 < BrandonW> Or kicked.
04:16 < tkoi> ok brb i guess
04:16 < LordMathi> just don't mention that someone from #tcpa sent you, and you MIGHT make it 2 minutes.
04:16 <@chronomex> man
04:16 < BrandonW> The overlord--I mean leader likes to do that to people.
04:16 <@E-J> maybe they/he only kick people they/he know
04:16 <@chronomex> we are NOT encouraging
04:17 < LordMathi> E-J: i hear horror stories about that place, i think they're very xenophobic over there.
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04:17 < BrandonW> I've been in that channel for days.
04:17 < TheStorm> tkoi, I'd ask on tifreakware.net forums thats where many english speaking 68k people hang out
04:17 < BrandonW> I think I'm going to regret sending him there.
04:17 <+Netham46> wtf
04:17 <+Netham46> * Cannot join #tigcc (You are banned).
04:17 < BrandonW> Watch me get kicked/banned for doing it.
04:17 < DSP_Lord> LOL.
04:17 < DrDnar> Oh, they're good.
04:17 <@chronomex> there aren't many english speaking people in the 68k community to start with
04:18 < DSP_Lord> XD Netham46
04:18 < DSP_Lord> that's awesome.
04:18 <@chronomex> 21:19:28 <@KarlInTheOffice> No problem. Your check's in the mail. I postdated it for "the day after the GNU Hurd port of Duke Nukem Forever ships."
04:18 < DSP_Lord> ...lolwut
04:18 <@E-J> yeah shame on you english speaking people
04:18 < DSP_Lord> E-J: no u
04:18 <+Netham46> E-J, sorry. :(
04:18 < DSP_Lord> E-J can converse with us just fine. :P
04:19 < BrandonW> He's not a 68k person!
04:19 <@chronomex> but E-J is lost-found technician, not 68k person
04:19 < BrandonW> I know because I have his Voyage 200!
04:19 <@chronomex> heheh
04:19 <@E-J> i'm not anymore 68k person :)
04:19 <@chronomex> I have SOMEONE's V200
04:19 < DSP_Lord> lol.
04:19 < DSP_Lord> E-J is silly.
04:19 < DrDnar> Shipped all the way from Finland?
04:19 < BrandonW> Aren't you the one with the prototype Voyage 200?
04:19 < BrandonW> That no longer works?
04:19 < BrandonW> DrDnar, yes.
04:19 < TheStorm> I should port nethack to the 68k calcs, I really don't care for calcrogue as much
04:19 < DrDnar> How much did that cost?
04:20 <@chronomex> BrandonW: yes :\
04:20 <@E-J> DrDnar: can't remember
04:20 <@E-J> not much
04:20 <@chronomex> international post can be surprisingly cheap
04:20 <@E-J> though, time to 'fly' to bus
04:20 <@chronomex> the US can actually send mail to North Korea
04:20 <@chronomex> just first class letters
04:20 <@chronomex> no packages
04:20 <@E-J> chronomex: though sending sausages to merth was too expensive
04:21 <@chronomex> heh
04:21 < DSP_Lord> XD
04:21 < DSP_Lord> E-J++;
04:21 <@chronomex> hmmmm
04:21 <@E-J> more specifically black sausages
04:21 <@chronomex> I moved, so I guess it's time to update my WHOIS records
04:21 <@chronomex> yes?
04:21  * Randomist wasts to draw, but it is late.
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04:21  * Randomist goes to bed.
04:21 <@E-J> ->
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04:25 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW, "Posting #tigcc logs to the public or indirectly contributing to such a leak will lead to a permanent ban. No appeals."    <---- le fuck?
04:25 < DSP_Lord> wow.
04:25 < BrandonW> Yeah.
04:25 < DSP_Lord> that's in the topic isn't it?
04:25 < BrandonW> He hates log posting.
04:25 < BrandonW> Yes.
04:25 < DSP_Lord> what a fuckwit.
04:26 <+JoeYoung> Whys that?
04:26 < BrandonW> He considers it a haven to talk freely.
04:26 < BrandonW> He's not fond of the factoring talk as it is.
04:26 < DSP_Lord> so if it's a haven to talk freely, why keep the logs on lockdown?
04:26 < BrandonW> It's anything but a haven, I'm just saying.
04:26 < DSP_Lord> kind of defeats the purpose.
04:26 < BrandonW> Because you don't want anyone on the internet to see what's being said?
04:26 < BrandonW> If you could see what's being said, that's hardly a haven.
04:27 < DSP_Lord> that bad?
04:27 < BrandonW> chronomex pasted 2 lines, I think, and was banned.
04:27 <@chronomex> yup
04:27 <@chronomex> took a few hours, but someone in #tcpa snitched
04:27 <+JoeYoung> wait, so it's a place to talk freely, but he doesn't want to have anything to to with the factoring business? why the hate?
04:27 <@chronomex> so I went to bed and woke up to a ban
04:27 <@chronomex> "gooooood morning!"
04:27 < DSP_Lord> chronomex: lol.
04:27 <@chronomex> JoeYoung: "freely"
04:27 < BrandonW> It's one of those channels you should be scared to talk in. Be really careful with everything you say. It's like the soup Nazi, if you've seen that episode of Seinfeld.
04:28 <+JoeYoung> o rly?
04:28 < DSP_Lord> so basically, i should go join it, promptly tell him to get fucked, and leave.
04:28 <@chronomex> no
04:28 <+JoeYoung> worse than omnimaga, i guess. why is it always french people?
04:28 <@chronomex> cos then he'll hate #tcpa even more
04:28  * DSP_Lord read that as cosine(then
04:28 < DSP_Lord> damnit.
04:28 <@chronomex> ...
04:29 <+JoeYoung> :/
04:29 < BrandonW> They're hard-core C programmers. We mean nothing to them.
04:29 < BrandonW> z80s are toys and we are children.
04:29 < BrandonW> We are not taken seriously.
04:30 < BrandonW> They don't even take each other seriously...you should see the ticalc.org comments some of them leave.
04:30 <@chronomex> heh
04:30 < DSP_Lord> that's stupid.
04:30 < BrandonW> Constantly berating each other about code quality.
04:30 <@chronomex> all you z80 n00bers
04:30 < BrandonW> You should read the TI-GCC ticalc.org news articles' comments.
04:30 <@chronomex> heh
04:30 <@chronomex> kofler uses CVS for that thing
04:30 <@chronomex> I don't understand why
04:31 < DSP_Lord> no thanks, i think i'll stick to reading YouTube comments.
04:31 < DSP_Lord> probably safer for my sanity.
04:31  * chronomex nods
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04:31 <+JoeYoung> what does TIGCC stand for?
04:31 < BrandonW> The z80 community has no shortage of idiots either, so I guess I should stop talking like that.
04:31 < DSP_Lord> TI something C compiler, iirc.
04:32 < DrDnar> I thought it was just gcc for TIs.
04:32 < TheStorm> chronomex, thankfully the GCC4TI people have switched to SVN
04:32 < DSP_Lord> i have no idea tbh, DrDnar.
04:32 < DrDnar> Ya know, THE gcc, the Linux one.
04:32  * DSP_Lord 8x for life.
04:32 < BrandonW> Holy crap...
04:32 <+JoeYoung> DSP_Lord: obviously, you did not recall correctly.
04:32 < DSP_Lord> clearly
04:32 < DSP_Lord> like i really care anyway.
04:33 < TheStorm> what BrandonW ?
04:33 <+JoeYoung> :D
04:33 < BrandonW> http://tigcc.ticalc.org/people/kevinl.jpg
04:33 < BrandonW> That...is Kevin Kofler.
04:33 < DSP_Lord> ...
04:33 < DrDnar> When he was nine?
04:33 < DSP_Lord> no wonder he's such an asshole.
04:33 < DrDnar> Or is he nine?
04:33 <+JoeYoung> that's gotta be an old picture
04:33 <@chronomex> TheStorm: yes, they have.
04:34 <+JoeYoung> like, REALLY old
04:34 <@chronomex> it's really old, yes
04:34 <@chronomex> at least ten years old iirc
04:34 < BrandonW> He's a year older than me.
04:35 < DSP_Lord> i honestly have no idea how old anyone here is.
04:35 <+JoeYoung> "My name is Kevin Kofler. I'm Italian, although I live in Austria and despite my German-sounding name. And I'm now 26 years 2 months 7 days old."
04:35 < DSP_Lord> or, at least, not off the top of my head.
04:36 <+JoeYoung> Why does he disapprove of the factoring project?
04:36 <+JoeYoung> It helps him too, right?
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04:36 < BrandonW> He's just afraid TI will go hard-core and somehow find IRC server logs.
04:36 < BrandonW> Pastes of factors, links to such things, etc.
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04:37 < DSP_Lord> now THAT'S being paranoid.
04:37 < BrandonW> Everyone's afraid of getting caught being involved in all this.
04:37 < BrandonW> I would really like to not be banned, so I'm going to stop so much as paraphrasing anything that is or is not said in there.
04:37 <+JoeYoung> EXCEPT #tcpa
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04:38 < BrandonW> I believe he doesn't care about the factoring project.
04:38 <@chronomex> BrandonW: I'm tangentially involved, and I wouldn't mind being caught even if I were at the center
04:38 <@chronomex> Fuck TI.
04:39 <+JoeYoung> I'm only slightly involved. TI might not bother with me :/
04:40 < BrandonW> I'm pretty sure that if TI could take down the factoring project, or even United TI, they would have by now.
04:40 <@chronomex> yeah
04:40 <@chronomex> I really wonder why they haven't
04:40 <@chronomex> ti-doesnt-care@ti.com
04:41 < BrandonW> I wonder if we should e-mail all the factors to ti-cares@ti.com.
04:41 < BrandonW> No context, just the numbers.
04:41 < TheStorm> I think TI is trying to cover their tracks and keep this from getting larger than it seems
04:41 < BrandonW> And see where it goes.
04:41 <@chronomex> they seem to take a really lasseiz-faire approach to the community
04:41 <@chronomex> BrandonW: in decimal.
04:41 <+JoeYoung> ooh let someone else do it
04:41 < DrDnar> "Here are some numbers related to your calculators."
04:42 <@chronomex> "Fun Number Theory Facts"
04:42 <+JoeYoung> keep them off Brandon's tale
04:42 < DrDnar> What's BrandonW's tale?
04:42 < BrandonW> haha, yes. Fun Number Theory Facts.
04:42 <+JoeYoung> or better yet, EVERYBODY sends the email at the same time
04:42 < DrDnar> Is it a tale of suffering and hardship?
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04:42 <+JoeYoung> :)
04:42 < efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin.
04:42 < BrandonW> No no, just an envelope with a printout of the factors and mail it to TI's headquarters.
04:42 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o _Auron_] by efneTI86
04:43 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW, we should totally do that.
04:43 < BrandonW> No return address.
04:43 < BrandonW> In fact, we should all do it.
04:43 <+JoeYoung> haha :D
04:43 <+JoeYoung> THAT WOULD BE AWESOME
04:43 < DrDnar> ALL YOUR FACTORS ARE BELONG TO US!!
04:43 < DrDnar> (Take off every sig)
04:43 <+JoeYoung> ALL YOUR FACTOR ARE BELONG TO US!
04:44 < BrandonW> If enough of us do it, they might not trash it and actually question it.
04:44 < i_c-Y> no kids are going to buy graphing calculators unless if there are cool games out. though games propogate calculator to calculator a lot, much like STD's.
04:44 < BrandonW> And then find out what it is.
04:44 < i_c-Y> and people.
04:44 < DrDnar> Oh, yeah, factor. In the singular.
04:44 <+JoeYoung> btw.....
04:44 < BrandonW> I think I'm going to do this, mail an envelope with the factors every couple of weeks or do.
04:45 < BrandonW> or so.*
04:45 < BrandonW> Just to screw with them.
04:45 <@chronomex> < i_c-Y > games propogate calculator to calculator a lot, much like STD's.    <-- that's why my virus attaches to ASM files
04:45 <+JoeYoung> Will the post office mail letters without return addresses?
04:45 <@chronomex> most definitely
04:45 <+JoeYoung> i think they do
04:45 <@chronomex> they'll deliver any mail with sufficient postage and a valid TO address
04:45 <+JoeYoung> ahh
04:46 < DrDnar> You could just put stamps on a calc and mail it.
04:46 < i_c-Y> yes. a fun bit of mail fraud to do is to put your addressee as the return address, and a fake / your address for the too address, and try to get it sent by using insufficinet postage.
04:46  * JoeYoung drops a calculator into a Blend-Tec blender.
04:46 <@chronomex> i_c-Y: but it very well may come back to the putative recipient postage due :P
04:46  * JoeYoung puts calculator dust into an envelope
04:46 <+JoeYoung> Don't breathe this.
04:46 <@chronomex> lol
04:47  * JoeYoung mails to TI
04:47 < i_c-Y> chronomex: its like mailing collect :)
04:47 <@chronomex> "this shows you what I think of the Nspire"
04:47 <@chronomex> i_c-Y: hah, yes
04:47 <+JoeYoung> :)
04:47 < i_c-Y> chronomex: i know someone who tried it though, and it worked fine 
04:47 <@chronomex> aye
04:47 <@chronomex> "Voters who lack a traditional residential address can register at the shelter, park, motor home, intersection or other identifiable location they consider their residence.  This location will be used to determine which precinct they will vote in.  (RCW 29A.08.112 effective 2005)"
04:47 <@chronomex> damn
04:48 <@chronomex> you can register to vote at an intersection!
04:48 < BrandonW> Maybe I'll just do it once.
04:48 < BrandonW> But I will do it.
04:48 < BrandonW> The envelope.
04:49 <+JoeYoung> HAH
04:49 <+JoeYoung> send me a copy, i'll send one too.
04:49 <@_Auron_> THIS INTERSECTION IS MAH ADDRESS
04:49 <+JoeYoung> :)
04:49 <@_Auron_> FERK YA
04:50 <+JoeYoung> PLEASE FORWARD MAH MAIL THERE
04:50 < DrDnar> I'll mail a copy too.
04:50 <@_Auron_> AND DROP IT TO THE ONE WAY SIGN
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04:50 <@_Auron_> Okay, I'm done.
04:50 < i_c-Y> BrandonW is conspiring to commit mail fraud?
04:51 < BrandonW> How is it mail fraud?
04:51 <+JoeYoung> ya rly?
04:51 <+JoeYoung> we are spamming, i_c-Y, geez.
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04:52 < BrandonW> One or two pages with "Here are you cryptographic keys." at the top and the factors for each key underneath, in a manilla envelope, with their headquarters' address on it, no return address, and a respectable amount of stamps, placed anonymously in a post office dropbox.
04:52 < BrandonW> Come on, how can you not love it?
04:52 < BrandonW> your*
04:52 < i_c-Y> oh, you're giving them stamps
04:52 <@chronomex> BrandonW: best to have a bunch of 1c and 2c stamps
04:52 < i_c-Y> i was thinking that youd put their mailing address on it as the return address and drop it into a postbox
04:52 < DrDnar> Ask Michael for tips on how best to mail it.
04:53 < BrandonW> Michael's against me doing this.
04:53 < BrandonW> All the more reason to do it.
04:53 <+JoeYoung> no way
04:53 < DrDnar> He once penciled in a stamp and mailed it.
04:53 <+JoeYoung> DrDnar: hand delivered to TI is obviously the best way.
04:54 <+JoeYoung> who lives near Dallas? :D
04:54 < millinao> brandonw: that's actually pretty great
04:54 < BrandonW> Although they might somehow track it down to my city, and considering I'm the only calculator person anywhere near here (maybe in the state), they'll know it was me.
04:55 <+JoeYoung> they won't know it's me :)
04:55 < millinao> but the thing is they don't care
04:55 < millinao> at all
04:55 < TheStorm> ^
04:55 <+JoeYoung> houston's a big-ass town
04:56 < millinao> calculator programming is a small-ass niche
04:56 < BrandonW> I'll drive to an undisclosed location and then mail it.
04:56 < TheStorm> but it sells lots of TI's
04:56 < DrDnar> Address it to Herbert Foster. 
04:56 < BrandonW> YES
04:57 < BrandonW> I so have to do this.
04:57 < BrandonW> If I can get his address.
04:57 < DSP_Lord> to who?
04:57 < BrandonW> He's the one sending the DMCA notices.
04:57 < DSP_Lord> ah.
04:57 < DrDnar> Include a link to http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=8888
04:58 <+JoeYoung> "Here is the link to Fun Number Theory Facts, just in case."
04:58 < i_c-Y> someone should pull the delivery off as a drive by
04:58 < DrDnar> Load the letter in an air gun of sorts. It'll be a drive-by shooting.
04:59 < i_c-Y> i dont have a car , and my parents cars arent good for drive bys.
04:59 <+JoeYoung> DrDnar: sticky bomb
04:59 < DSP_Lord> mortar would be better.
04:59 < DrDnar> ?
05:00 < TheStorm> If TI really cared they'ed be lurking in this channel by now
05:00 <+JoeYoung> o_O
05:00 <+JoeYoung> they probably are
05:00 < BrandonW> His phone number from the DMCA notice is in Dallas.
05:01 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW maybe a phonebook?
05:01 < BrandonW> Sweet, I got an address.
05:02 <+Netham46> <Just for the FBI records, I have nothing to do with this.>
05:02 < BrandonW> The question is, should I send it directly to him?
05:02 < DrDnar> He might start to suspect something.
05:02 <+JoeYoung> Brandon, what is fosters number?
05:03 < BrandonW> I'm not giving that out.
05:03 <+JoeYoung> dang
05:03 <+JoeYoung> i narrowed it down to two addresses :/
05:03 < BrandonW> I am so doing this.
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05:04 <+JoeYoung> :(
05:04 <+JoeYoung> Brandow: could you tell me foster's middle initial? :)
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05:05 <+JoeYoung> ah, it's W
05:05 < BrandonW> It won't help you.
05:05 < i_c-Y> lets not do something stupid guys. no drive bys no threats to TI, etc.
05:05 <+JoeYoung> I have his address now :)
05:05 < BrandonW> It's not a threat, it's just "Here are your cryptographic keys."
05:06 <+JoeYoung> No, I just wanted to see if I could find it :P
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05:06 < BrandonW> Where's the harm?
05:06 < BrandonW> I'm only giving them what they already have!
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05:06 <+JoeYoung> true
05:06 <+Netham46> his phone # is (972) 917-1522
05:06 <+Netham46> btw
05:07 <@chronomex> whose?
05:07 < DrDnar> "herbert w foster" now turns up his DMCA notice on the first page of Google results.
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05:07 <+Netham46> herbert w foster
05:07 < BrandonW> I think this is all this guy does, I see cease-and-desist orders from him from years ago.
05:07 < BrandonW> On the internet.
05:08 < DrDnar> Like where else?
05:08 <+Netham46> http://www.memestreams.net/users/decius/blogid10358613/
05:08 <@chronomex> BrandonW: you can mail it to me, Nikky and konrad are possible suspects
05:08 < BrandonW> If I told you, you'd have the address.
05:08 < millinao> I think you guys are blowing TI way out of proportion
05:08 <+Netham46> there's the DMCA notice brandonw has posted, nix the niumber censorship.
05:09 <+JoeYoung> Texas Instruments Incorporated
05:09 < BrandonW> No, really, I'm doing this, I'm going on vacation soon and once I get to where I'm going, I'm going to mail it.
05:09 <+JoeYoung> Herbert W. Foster
05:09 <+JoeYoung> Manager, Business Services
05:09 <+JoeYoung> Educational & Productivity Solutions
05:09 <+JoeYoung> Texas Instruments Incorporated
05:09 <+JoeYoung> 7800 Banner Drive M/S 3918
05:09 <+JoeYoung> Dallas, TX 75251
05:09 < BrandonW> Completely untraceable.
05:09 <+JoeYoung> USA
05:09 <+JoeYoung> (972) 917-1522 / h-foster@ti.com
05:09 < BrandonW> How you haven't been floodkicked yet, I don't know.
05:09 <+Netham46> lol
05:09 < millinao> bots are always like 5 minutes slow
05:09 <+JoeYoung> maybe one line short?
05:09 <+JoeYoung> :/
05:09 <+Netham46> xD
05:10 <@chronomex> boot, stupid computer
05:10 <@chronomex> stupid fsck
05:10 <@chronomex> wooo, if I uncap my torrent client it's like I'm on shitty wifi again!
05:11 <+JoeYoung> TI: wtf this letter came from DC lets go get 'im boys
05:11 < BrandonW> I'm sure they're not going to care, but if Herbert gets his hands on it and realizes what it is, the look on his face (even though I can't see it) will be satisfaction enough.
05:12 <@chronomex> should put a camera in it
05:12 <@chronomex> "take a picture of your face and mail it back to this mailinator address"
05:13 < BrandonW> In fact, I think I will send it directly to him.
05:13 < BrandonW> And put the keys in the same format as they were on brandonw.net.
05:13 < BrandonW> So that we definitely know it got to him and that he knows what it is.
05:14 <@chronomex> signed from you?
05:14 < BrandonW> No, I will leave no trace.
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05:14 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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05:14 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW: take the keys and put them in a "find the word" grid puzzle.
05:14 <@chronomex> then after a few days I'll call him anonymously and ask if he got the package
05:15 <+JoeYoung> make sure to put the answer sheet
05:15 <@chronomex> lol
05:15 <+Netham46> y'know, this lawyer probabally won't give a fuck if you send him this...
05:15 < BrandonW> We'll need a voice changer.
05:15 <+JoeYoung> then they will really be FUN NUMBERS
05:15 < BrandonW> He's not even a lawyer, hush.
05:15 <@chronomex> BrandonW: why? he doesn't know me
05:15 < BrandonW> What you say does not matter.
05:15 < BrandonW> chronomex, to be creepier.
05:15 <@chronomex> screw creepy
05:15 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW: Microsoft Sam set from Skype
05:15 < BrandonW> If I had the patience, I really should use newspaper clippings for the keys.
05:16 <@chronomex> hahahaha
05:16 <+JoeYoung> :)
05:16 <@chronomex> that's a lot of patience
05:16 < DrDnar> You could say you got the keys through hacking into their computers.
05:16 < BrandonW> That and a cassette tape that starts out with "I want to play a game."
05:16 <+Netham46> I just lost the game.
05:16 < DrDnar> None of your secret keys are safe now!
05:16 < BrandonW> If I were truly sadistic, I would.
05:17 < BrandonW> But I think a printout is enough.
05:17 <+Netham46> BrandonW, are you saying you're not sadistic?
05:17 <+Netham46> :P
05:17 <+JoeYoung> "We have your cat"
05:17 < BrandonW> If I start putting actual objects in there like a tape, it wouldn't get to him.
05:17 <+Netham46> haha
05:17 <@_Auron_> fuck this english homework, god.
05:17 <+Netham46> kidnap his cat
05:17 <+Netham46> and tatoo the keys onto it
05:18 -!- LordMathi [~darksidep@h210.134.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #tcpa
05:18 <@_Auron_> I have to write 450+ words to summarize 8 pages in chapter 2 of this rhetorical grammar book, 80% of which is examples of paragraphs
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05:18 <@chronomex> _Auron_: :(
05:19 <@_Auron_> so essentially summarize 1 1/2 pages of bullshit into 1 page of similar bullshit
05:19 < DrDnar> OCR the text into a Word document, and then use Autosummarize.
05:19 <@chronomex> FSCK TAKES TOO DAMN LONG
05:19 < millinao> haha, auron
05:19 <@_Auron_> we WERE also reading short stories and writing about them, and I actually found those short stories to be fucked up and quite interesting
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05:20 <@_Auron_> but 2nd week into class and the professor decides "I don't want to do those, so you can sell the book if you want"
05:20 <@_Auron_> FUCK
05:20 <@chronomex> good evening Michael_V 
05:20 < millinao> you could probably expand a bit on the summary
05:20 < Spengo> EEEYYYY it's Michael_V 
05:20 < millinao> eeeyyy it's spengo and michael_v
05:21 <+Michael_V> Is "y" being used as a vowel in those remarks?
05:21 <@chronomex> p'raps
05:21 < DrDnar> What's the best way to anonymously mail a letter to a corporate entity?
05:21 <+Michael_V> get an unknowing individual to do it for you
05:21 <@chronomex> a soulless corproate entity
05:21 <@_Auron_> well I just summarized half of the chapter in 66 words :/
05:21 <@_Auron_> there really isn't much to talk about
05:22  * Michael_V is running a TI-81 on his 84+ SE
05:22 < DrDnar> paraphrase
05:22 <@chronomex> Michael_V: excellent, how?
05:22 <@_Auron_> *pads sentence with bullshit*
05:22 < i_c-Y> emulator?
05:22 < BrandonW> Make the margins like 4" and hand it in.
05:22 < BrandonW> If it's really a crap assignment, he might like it.
05:22 <+Michael_V> I don't think you should be sending keys to TI via mail
05:22 <@_Auron_> BrandonW: Er, 450+ words. He doesn't take physical copies, only digital.
05:22 < i_c-Y> doesnt DS have a z80 emu?
05:23 < i_c-Y> on calc
05:23 < i_c-Y> emu8x or whatever
05:23 <@chronomex> _Auron_: many spaces between the words
05:23 <+JoeYoung> i_c-Y
05:23 <+Michael_V> you mean the one I wrote and just added the 81 to?
05:23 <+Michael_V> yes :)
05:23 < i_c-Y> JoeYoung
05:23 <+JoeYoung> like wabbit and lameboy?
05:23 < BrandonW> i_c-Y, you insensitive clod.
05:23 < BrandonW> That was great.
05:23 <+Michael_V> the only problem is that keypresses are ridiculously slow
05:23 <+Netham46> chronomex, that doesn't add to word count...
05:23 <+Michael_V> versus the other emulated calculators
05:23 <+Michael_V> I'm not sure why yet
05:23 <+Michael_V> the 81 is strange
05:23 <@_Auron_> Also, apparently I'm so smart he even emailed my sister (who is also an English professor) and told her that I'm a really smart guy. And from what she's told me, he very rarely compliments students.
05:23 <+Michael_V> I think it's just all of the LCD writing
05:24 <@chronomex> Netham46: neither does margins
05:24 <+Netham46> chronomex, yes, and that point was previously refuted.
05:24 < millinao> you could just leave out the bullshit and just write "I have expressed what I need to, anything else is redundant"
05:24 <@_Auron_> haha
05:24 <@_Auron_> nop
05:24 < millinao> i'm serious, do it
05:24 <@_Auron_> I don't feel like being a smartass.
05:24 < BrandonW> So really he's just challenging you.
05:25 < BrandonW> To see if you can pull this off.
05:26 <+Michael_V> BrandonW: What would you think about checksumming the LCD memory?
05:26 <+JoeYoung> :/
05:26 < BrandonW> For what purpose?
05:27 <+Michael_V> to only copy it when it's changed
05:27 < millinao> i got 40% on a journal thing once because I wrote too small, and therefore it was obviously too short
05:27 < BrandonW> Hm.
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05:27 <@chronomex> Michael_V: nice
05:27 <+Michael_V> I'll perhaps check t-states in the debugger
05:27 <@chronomex> millinao: nice
05:27 < BrandonW> Is it slower with any keypress at all, or just when the cursor is being displayed, or what?
05:28 < millinao> she says it didn't go in depth enough, I, for one, call it minimalist
05:28 <+Michael_V> it's slow all the time
05:28 < DrDnar> You're getting close to high-level emulation.
05:28 <+Michael_V> if I increase the "interrupt" rate, I can get the keys mostly fixed
05:28 <+Michael_V> where it will recognize each keypress
05:28 < BrandonW> I think checksumming might not be any faster, but who knows.
05:29 <+Michael_V> oh boy
05:29 <@chronomex> checksum would only read and calculate, not write
05:29 <+Michael_V> 19757 t-states
05:29 <+Michael_V> to write the LCD
05:29 <@chronomex> so it'd be dropping a whole bus cycle per byte
05:29 <@chronomex> that's half the bus cycles
05:29 <+Michael_V> well and that's not counting the fact that on the real calc, it's extra t-states to slow down to the LCD
05:29 <@chronomex> it would probably be worth it
05:30 < BrandonW> But you aren't going at the same speed as a real calculator.
05:30 <@_Auron_> 132 words....
05:30 <@_Auron_> omfg
05:30 <@chronomex> _Auron_: stop bitching and go sentence by sentence
05:31 < millinao> This sentence describes how to effectively use full stops. I think so due to the fact that full stops are the sentence's subject matter.
05:32 < BrandonW> You're not supposed to use "I", clod.
05:32 <+Michael_V> hmm
05:32 <+Michael_V> checksumming won't be faster
05:32 < millinao> It's more words that way
05:32 <@chronomex> Michael_V: no?
05:32 <+Michael_V> it'll be at least 20 t-states per byte
05:32 <+Michael_V> 768 bytes
05:32 < BrandonW> "This could be argued due to the fact that..." It's a little longer.
05:33 <@_Auron_> millinao: The entire chapter is about the use of shorter sentences as topic sentences in a paragraph
05:33 <@_Auron_> How the fuck am I supposed to write 450 words on that?
05:33 < BrandonW> That's such a BS assignment, it's obvious that the goal is to find a way to stretch it out.
05:33 < millinao> Make the first sentence the longest of the paragraph.
05:33 <@chronomex> Michael_V: what's a T-state?
05:33 <+Michael_V> somehow I have no sympathy for someone who can't write 450 words
05:33 < millinao> like, at least twice as long
05:33 < DrDnar> Be sure make your topic sentences extra verbose.
05:33 <+Michael_V> chronomex: a clock cycle, basically
05:33 <@chronomex> ah
05:34 <@chronomex> man, z80 is slow
05:34 <@chronomex> 68k would take ... about 8 cycles per 16bit word
05:34 <@chronomex> probably
05:34 < BrandonW> SHUT IT
05:34 < BrandonW> We have USB and you don't.
05:34 < BrandonW> Take that.
05:34 <@chronomex> fuck off
05:34 <+Netham46> lol
05:34 <@_Auron_> Michael_V: Our first assignment was 450 words and I ended up doing about 480 words
05:34 <@chronomex> that's because you have better coders
05:34 <@_Auron_> 450+*
05:34 < millinao> you should ask him what the point of the assignment is
05:34 <@_Auron_> but this one is such bullshit
05:34 <@chronomex> <-- distracted always
05:35 <+Michael_V> try writing 130 pages
05:35 <@_Auron_> Michael_V: On what?
05:35 <+Netham46> I'm correct in saying that memory-mapped LCD is where, given that the LCD memory begins at 0xD000(for example), and you flip 0xD006, it'd turn on the 7th pixel, right?
05:35 < millinao> My cello teacher wrote a 75 page thesis paper on pizzicato. Yes, that means plucking the string.
05:35 <@_Auron_> if it's something I can even work with, sure
05:35 <+Michael_V> my thesis
05:35 <@_Auron_> this is an assignment where I have to summarize a chapter in a grammar book,
05:36 < BrandonW> Netham46, not quite.
05:36 <+Michael_V> so that should be easier
05:36 <+Michael_V> no thinking required
05:36 < BrandonW> But changing the byte in memory magically changes the LCD, yes, that's correct.
05:36 <+Michael_V> Netham46: no
05:36 <+Netham46> k, how am I wrong?
05:36 <@_Auron_> that is actually 7 pages long, and almost every page is 80%+ filled with an example or exercise
05:36 < DrDnar> It's still one bit per pixel.
05:36 <+Michael_V> the first byte is 8 pixels
05:36 < BrandonW> On some sort of platform with color LCDs, perhaps.
05:37 <+Netham46> oh, just my offset is wrong?
05:37 < BrandonW> But on the calculators, it's one bit per pixel, on or off.
05:37 < BrandonW> 8 pixels per byte, yes.
05:37 <+Netham46> hmm, yea, I wasn't thinking, I meant the 6th bit after 0xD000.
05:37 < BrandonW> So if you want the 7th pixel, set bit 1 of the first byte.
05:37 <@_Auron_> Page 29: Two sentences, LONG EXAMPLE, Two sentences, LONG EXAMPLE, two sentences. End of page.
05:37 <+Netham46> for some reason, that came out as 0xD006.
05:38 < millinao> you can maybe explain about the examples
05:38 < BrandonW> It's the same as modifying plotSScreen and then copying the buffer to the LCD, if you're familiar with that.
05:38 < BrandonW> Except there's no copying with a memory-mapped LCD.
05:39 < millinao> instead of paraphrasing the sentences, unless i'm understanding you wrong
05:39 <+Michael_V> well I have the key input about ok
05:39 <+Michael_V> but the 81 is just slow
05:39 <+Michael_V> figures
05:40 <+Michael_V> I wish I had an earlier 81 ROM
05:40 <+Michael_V> I don't suppose anyone has something pre-2.0?
05:41 < BrandonW> We should have the 02 key by noon Wednesday.
05:41 <+Netham46> hmm
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05:42 < BrandonW> The headline can be "all OS and application keys factored" instead of "all keys factored", if the BOINC project never comes back up.
05:42 < BrandonW> All application keys have been factored.
05:42 <+Netham45> BOINC's down?
05:43 < BrandonW> It is.
05:43 <+Netham45> hmm
05:43 <+Netham45> my 
05:43 <+Netham45> er
05:44 <+Netham45> my PC has a whole crapload of stmp_xxx workloads done
05:44 < millinao> yeah, mine too, just sitting there
05:44 < BrandonW> Yeah, everyone's does, they just can't upload them.
05:44 <+Netham45> anyone know why it's down? just disappear earlier?
05:44 <@_Auron_> huh.
05:44 < BrandonW> The entire server is down. We don't know why yet.
05:44 <+Michael_V> server troubles I presume
05:44 <@_Auron_> looks like I'm going on a date on Wednesday
05:44 <+Michael_V> there have been problems earlier
05:44 <+Michael_V> _Auron_: Date stamp key?
05:45 <+Michael_V> we'll probably have it ready for you by then
05:45 < BrandonW> lol
05:45 <+Netham45> lol
05:45 <@_Auron_> what?
05:45  * Michael_V should take along his 83+ on a date, put it in its own chair, order it food, and introduce it as his "special friend"
05:45 <+Michael_V> or not
05:46 < BrandonW> If you paid attention at all to calculators at all in a calculator channel, you'd know he was making a funny about the date stamp key!
05:46 <+Michael_V> don't be dense!
05:46 < BrandonW> And its name!
05:46 <+Michael_V> we're factoring the date stamp key
05:46 <@_Auron_> I'm not paying attention to which keys you guys are messing with
05:46 < BrandonW> Too many "at all"s there.
05:46 <@_Auron_> all I've seen are ##A or whatnot lately
05:46 < BrandonW> The date stamp key is the last key.
05:46 <@_Auron_> fun
05:47 <@_Auron_> well, I'm going on a date with Steve on Wed. night
05:47 <@_Auron_> and I have a job interview tomorrow
05:47 <@_Auron_> wheeeeeeeeeeeeee
05:47 <+Michael_V> Steve?
05:47 < millinao> is the job G1 related?
05:47 <+Michael_V> on second thought, maybe I don't want to know
05:47 <@_Auron_> millinao: not even close
05:47 < millinao> :(
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06:00 <+Netham45> hmm
06:00 < BrandonW> I'm going to HAVE to restart soon. :(
06:00 <+Netham45> I wonder if my teacher would let me bring in a disk array to class...
06:01 < BrandonW> I'm out of resources running only mIRC, Winamp, one IE window, and 4 IM windows.
06:01 <+Netham45> BrandonW, did you try a logoff - logon?
06:01 < BrandonW> No, because that's just as bad as restarting for me.
06:01 <+Netham45> eh
06:01 <+Netham45> it doesn't whack system uptime.
06:01 <+Netham45>  Uptime  2 days 20:28:57 
06:02 < BrandonW> I consider it cheating.
06:02 <+Netham45> eh, the longest uptime I have at my house is only about a month right now, had to have the house rewired a month or so ago.
06:03 <+Netham45> apparantly, residental wiring isn't designed to power ~50TB of disk arrays. >.>
06:04 < BrandonW> I can't even open an explorer window now.
06:07 <@chronomex> Netham45: lol
06:07 <+Netham45> BrandonW, are you *trying* to torture yourself?
06:07 <@chronomex> he's protesting
06:07 <@chronomex> something
06:07 <+Netham45> chronomex, yea, we had a fucking wire melt. >.>
06:08 <@chronomex> awesome
06:08 <@chronomex> least you didn't have a fire
06:08 <+Netham45> yea
06:09 < BrandonW> Netham45, are you in #tigcc?
06:09 <+Netham45> BrandonW, probabally.
06:10 <+Netham45> might be my alter ego, not sure.
06:10 < BrandonW> I could rat you out right here and now.
06:10 < BrandonW> He would unleash his wrath on you.
06:10 <@_Auron_> 283 words.
06:10 <+Netham45> haha
06:10  * _Auron_ dies on the inside
06:10 <+Netham45> BrandonW, I've had numerous PM convos with us bitching back and forth at eachother.
06:10 <+Netham45> lol
06:10 <+Netham45> did the nick 'Webpork54' give it away?
06:10 < BrandonW> Pretty much.
06:11 <+Netham45> cool.
06:11 <+Netham45> I think sir_lewk knows who I am too.
06:12 <@chronomex> 23:13:36 [freequest] -!- Cannot join to channel #tigcc (You are banned)
06:12 <@chronomex> and to think I wasn't banned
06:12 <@chronomex> er
06:12 <@chronomex> and to think I thought I wasn't banned
06:12 <+Netham45> * #tigcc Banlist: Mon Aug 31 18:15:25 *!*@diomedes.phear.cc chaotic.eu.hub.freequest.net
06:12 <@chronomex> yeah
06:12 <@chronomex> I see that now
06:13 <@chronomex> all that for two lines
06:13 <@chronomex> and a disparaging remark
06:13 <+Netham45> haha
06:13 < BrandonW> A "disparaging remark"?
06:13 <+Netham45> there are 3 bans set on me.
06:13 <+Netham45> 2 on old IPs, and 1 on *netham*
06:13 <@chronomex> BrandonW: I don't remember, I said something uncomplimentary about kkofler in #tcpa
06:14 < BrandonW> Like "He can go fuck himself"?
06:14 <+Netham45> oh, *!*netham*@* is also banned.
06:14 <@chronomex> something like that
06:14 <@_Auron_> 347 fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck thhiiisssssssss shiiiiiiiiiit
06:15 <+Netham45> lol, _Auron_.
06:15 < BrandonW> I know one thing, as soon as the date stamp key is factored, I'm killing my clients.
06:16 < BrandonW> And recommending everyone I know to do the same.
06:16 <@chronomex> why?
06:17 < BrandonW> Because I disagree with the direction they're taking after the keys.
06:17 <@chronomex> which is ... ?
06:17 < BrandonW> And I'm taking my ball and going home.
06:17 < BrandonW> Factoring 68k paid application keys and other keys requested by non-calculator people.
06:17 <@chronomex> oh, huh
06:17 < BrandonW> And explicitly not calculator public key.s
06:17 < BrandonW> keys.*
06:17 <@chronomex> that's retarded
06:17 <@chronomex> you know
06:17 <@chronomex> you can start your own BOINC-style cluster
06:17 <@chronomex> I'd join it
06:17 <+Netham45> ^
06:18 < BrandonW> If I knew the first thing about it, sure.
06:18 <+Netham45> yea, I had a little 'wtf' when lionel told me he was factoring non-TI keys on the project, or whatever those 'wanted' numbers are.
06:19 < BrandonW> Maybe when I finally get so angry about not understanding how 8XQ files are signed, I'll create a project like that.
06:19 <+Netham45> What is 8XQ? o.O
06:20 < BrandonW> A certificate file.
06:20 < BrandonW> TI used to distribute them with paid applications.
06:20 < BrandonW> Whether you realized it or not. They were often integrated with 8XKs.
06:20 <+Netham45> like, amends the existing on-calc cert?
06:20 <@chronomex> yah
06:20 <@chronomex> adds things
06:20 < BrandonW> Yes, it would add the public keys for validating the paid application(s).
06:20 <+Netham45> ah
06:20 < BrandonW> They were sometimes called licenses.
06:21 < BrandonW> If you noticed that when you installed a paid application, you'd see two transfers, one for the application itself and another for the "license", that's what that was.
06:21 <@_Auron_> I filled in the last paragraph with absolute BS
06:21 <+Netham45> I never actually used a paid program.
06:21 <@_Auron_> and ended with 451 words, last sentence being "Ideas are hard to keep simple, because we as a human race tend to over think them too often; I am one of those many people."
06:21 <+Netham45> The app store turned free about a year after I joined the community.
06:21 <@_Auron_> sad thing despite all the BS I threw in, it's probably better than most of my class. the people in my class can't write to save their mother
06:22 <@chronomex> I got a free version of a paid app
06:22 < BrandonW> For a while they would temporarily allow you to download paid applications for free.
06:22 <@chronomex> at one point
06:22 < BrandonW> That's what I would do.
06:22 <@chronomex> it came with a cert
06:22 < BrandonW> Do you still have it?
06:22 <@chronomex> somewhere, I think so
06:22 < BrandonW> I'd be very interested in having that.
06:22 < BrandonW> I'd like to understand how the 68k side works.
06:22 < BrandonW> And we know Kevin Kofler won't help.
06:22 <@chronomex> okal
06:22 <@chronomex> I should look for a ... 89k?
06:22 < BrandonW> He won't research anything that doesn't apply directly to him.
06:23 < BrandonW> I have no idea, that's why I want you to send it.
06:23 <@chronomex> okay
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06:24 < BrandonW> I'd probably go out of my way to factor one or two public keys, so I could sign an 8XQ and legitimately put the About screen text in the certificate.
06:24 < BrandonW> And then sell it on eBay or something.
06:24 <@chronomex> you'd probably get like $60
06:25 <@chronomex> nobody cares D:
06:25 < BrandonW> Sure, but it would more than likely be someone from the community who does care.
06:25 <@chronomex> true
06:25 < BrandonW> And then they could be all happy they have something I touched.
06:25 <@chronomex> OMG
06:25 <@chronomex> I have a silverlink you touched
06:25 <@chronomex> it's framed on my wall
06:25 < BrandonW> I want it back. :(
06:26 <@chronomex> you do?
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06:26 < BrandonW> I have no silverlink.
06:26 <@chronomex> okay, I don't really have a great deal of use for it
06:26 < BrandonW> I even have a graylink.
06:26 < BrandonW> But no silverlink.
06:26 <@chronomex> did I pay you anything for it?
06:26 < BrandonW> I doubt it. You don't have to, I can find another one somewhere.
06:26 <@chronomex> okay, if you say so
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06:27 < BrandonW> The first silverlink I ever had was one TI sent me, I sent it back.
06:27 < BrandonW> Because at the time it was Mac-only.
06:27 <@chronomex> why'd they send it to you?
06:27 < BrandonW> It's a long story.
06:28 < BrandonW> I broke off the end of a link cable inside an 86, an 89 refused to link, and my graylink stopped working.
06:28 < BrandonW> So I sent all of them back in one box to TI.
06:28 < BrandonW> So they would fix it.
06:28 < BrandonW> Instead, I got back two 86s and no link cable.
06:28 <@_Auron_> lol....
06:28 < BrandonW> And both 86s had Rs stamped in the back.
06:28 < BrandonW> For refurbished.
06:28 < BrandonW> So I sent back one 86 and got my 89 with an R.
06:28 < BrandonW> At the time I was terrified they would send me a HW2.
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06:28 < BrandonW> But I got back a HW1 like the first.
06:29 < BrandonW> Anyway, they started refusing to acknowledge I sent them a graylink.
06:29 < BrandonW> They sent a silverlink, I said that was useless to me and sent it back.
06:29 < BrandonW> Then I guess they got tired of talking to me because they refused to acknowledge any link cable again.
06:29 < BrandonW> So I was forced to go buy a blacklink.
06:29 < BrandonW> Which I still use to this day.
06:29 <@_Auron_> I have like 10 cables that my brother bought for $0.50 each at an electronic store in lewisiville
06:29 <@_Auron_> lewisville*
06:30 < BrandonW> I have a large bag of calc<->calc link cables.
06:30 <+Netham45> I have a silverlink, and a home-made parallel link.
06:30 <+Netham45> I think I have 2 calc<->calc cables
06:30 <@_Auron_> I have like 3 silverlinks, a few parallels, and a few serial
06:30 <@chronomex> I have a mostly broken blacklink, that's about it
06:31 <@_Auron_> anyhow I'm done with this BS assignment
06:31 <@_Auron_> bedtime
06:31 <@chronomex> night
06:31 < BrandonW> The bag is all I/O cables, the USB ones are in a drawer.
06:31 <@chronomex> including the 10 free ones from TI :D
06:32 < BrandonW> Those are standard A<->mini-B cables, they don't count.
06:32 < BrandonW> I have another large drawer for those.
06:32 < BrandonW> I have an entire plastic thingy for USB cables.
06:32 < BrandonW> And USB devices.
06:32 <+Netham45> somewhere I have a link cable for a Casio, they're the same that the TI ones take, except the modling of the wire is a bit different.
06:32 < BrandonW> Bluetooth adapters, TV tuners, IrDA adapters, etc.
06:32 <@chronomex> I got 5 A<->miniB, but also 5 miniA<->miniB link cables
06:34 <+Netham45> Well, I'm going to go to bed. Night.
06:36 <@chronomex> night
06:39 < BrandonW> Nothing but mIRC and a command prompt open, and the desktop heap usage is at 94.9%.
06:39 < aksnowman> http://www.jasonerush.com/gallery/v/MyCavalier/
06:39 < aksnowman> w000!
06:40 < tev> I thought Windows did away with the system resource crap a long time ago?
06:40 < BrandonW> Possibly, this is XP Pro I'm running.
06:41 < BrandonW> This is after I upped it to 8MB, by the way.
06:43 < tev> I hate OSes where resources or memory aren't always returned to the system even when apps are closed
06:43 < tev> Though I don't know much about XP and later because I quit Windows for good around the 98/Me stage
06:44 < tev> I got so fed up that I actually found it less of a headache to deal with the disadvantages of running Linux :-)
06:44 <@chronomex> tev: heh, me too
06:45 < tev> Believe it or not, though, Windows is now my *second* least-favorite OS since I got a Palm TX
06:45 < sir_lewk_> that's pretty much where most linux people are I'd bet
06:45 < tev> Palm OS is crap!
06:45 <@chronomex> wow!
06:46 < sir_lewk_> isn't Palm OS planned for obseletance now?
06:46 < sir_lewk_> their palm pre thingy uses something different from what I hear
06:47 < tev> I mean, apps crash all the time, and I've had countless occasions where a crash would result in the app not being able to be started at all--instant crash every time
06:47 < tev> and then you have to find some third-party program and mess around with config files and figure out which one to delete just to get the app to start again
06:48 < sir_lewk_> that's just awful
06:51 < tev> The touch screen on mine is getting really sucky, too, and I've read tons and tons of complaints about people having failing touch screens online
06:51 < tev> Now I pretty much relegated it to just reading a few web pages and text files and such without having to be at my desktop computer
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06:58 < efneTI92> [LordMathi] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
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07:28 < efneTI92> [blanto] http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95  I have much DATA in VELOCIRAPTORS AND PHILOSOPH
07:28 < blanto> what's the difference between 10^x and EE buttons on ti calculator? they both seem to do the same thing
07:37 <@E-J> there aren't, EE is used to short big numbers, 10^x is log to another direction, it is there because ln has also e^x
07:38 < blanto> ok thanks
08:23 < BrandonW> If anyone actually cares, I've uploaded CertEdit to http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/certedit.zip . It's a certificate editor that lets you load 8XQ files or certificate dumps and add/edit/delete/re-order fields and manually parse them as subfields, and save them back out in a variety of formats.
08:23 < BrandonW> It also lets you open, edit, and save 68k applications and OS upgrades.
08:23 < BrandonW> Because that was easy to add.
08:26 < BrandonW> Its main purpose is to understand certificate dumps, and make simple changes to them if you want.
08:26 < BrandonW> So you could dump it with prgmGETCERT, transfer it to your PC, screw around with it, save it, transfer it and prgmPUTCERT back to your calculator and re-install the edited certificate.
08:27 < BrandonW> So if you knew what to add, now you can add your own About screen text to your certificate if you wanted.
08:28 < BrandonW> Or whatever.
08:28 < BrandonW> Good night everyone.
08:31 <@chronomex> night BrandonW 
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08:36 < tev> Good night everybody
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08:45 < efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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10:10 < _Digital> http://atlas.selfip.net/Misc-Pics/Staples-TI.png
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10:18 < leofox> _Digital: is that you?
10:18 < _Digital> none other
10:18 < leofox> also why is the boinc down
10:19 < _Digital> wish I could answer that
10:20 <@E-J> it has been down for some time
10:21 <@E-J> rumours say, ti put it down
10:22 < _Digital> any way to check that
10:37 < leofox> _Digital where is that picture from
10:37 < leofox> it looks like a movie
10:38 < _Digital> from a comercial for a TV show Castle that aird last night
10:39 < leofox> can you youtube it or something?
10:39 < _Digital> the whole show?
10:39 < _Digital> you can download it from my server if you wish
10:39 < _Digital> kinda what I do over here: http://atlas.selfip.net/TV/Castle
10:40 < _Digital> 640x360 and 480x270 resolution copies are encoding right now
10:41 < _Digital> leofox, your request hostmask has your handle in it
10:41 < leofox> of course it does
10:41 < tr1p1ea> _Digital: thats a nice quality camera you go there
10:41 < _Digital> tr1p1ea, where ?
10:41 < leofox> where can I see you with a calculator
10:42 < _Digital> leofox, never said it was me
10:42 < _Digital> ah
10:42 < leofox> [12:18:31] <leofox> _Digital: is that you?
10:42 < tr1p1ea> oh, it wasnt shot by you
10:42 < leofox> [12:18:48] <_Digital> none other
10:42 < _Digital> didn't realize you meant the kind in the commercial originally
10:42 < tr1p1ea> i was gonna say, it looks broadcast
10:42 < leofox> where can I see the commercial
10:42 < _Digital> tr1p1ea, it is broadcast
10:43 < _Digital> my bad leofox, um, check the screen shot and estimate out of 60 minutes
10:43 < _Digital> ~20 minutes I'd say
10:44 < _Digital> mmm, wtf, video got stretched...
10:45 < _Digital> I swear this should be a science, but mencoder surprises me sometimes
10:52 < _Digital> leofox, yeah, it's at about 19 minutes and 30 seconds
10:54 < tr1p1ea> !lastspoke benryves
10:54 < tr1p1ea> !lastspoke benryves
10:54 < tr1p1ea> lastspoke benryves
10:54 < tr1p1ea> *
10:54 < tr1p1ea> :X
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10:57  * _Digital goes off to force a pass of -aspect in mencoder to see if that fixes it
11:12 < _Digital> anyhow, back to sleep
11:13 < tr1p1ea> night
11:15 <@E-J> !seen benryves
11:15 <@efneTI86> benryves (~benryves@89-168-85-230.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) was last seen parting #tcpa 31 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes ago stating "{}".
11:15 <@E-J> tr1p1ea: he is daily on fb
11:16 < tr1p1ea> ill fight you E-J!
11:17 <@E-J> illness fights you too
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11:37 < efneTI92> [LordMathi] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
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11:48 <@Nikky> hi
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12:52 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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13:28 < bsparks> DSP_Lord, http://www.lmathias.com/ lolwut?
13:32 < DSP_Lord> ...
13:32 < DSP_Lord> XD
13:36 <@Andy_J> lol.
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13:57 < jr19> hmm...is it really necessary to talk about every time you have dry heaves when you're at work?
13:58 < Randomist> Who's doing that?
13:59 <@Nikky> EXTERMINATE ALL HUMANS
14:01 < jr19> the lady i work with that sits in the same room as me
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14:02 < jr19> its like the 4th time in the last week she's talked about how she was dry heaving the night before
14:05 <@Nikky> EXTERMINATE ALL HUMANS
14:09 <@E-J> rush hour
14:10 <@E-J> good thing i use public transport, bus lines are always fast
14:15 < DSP_Lord> heh.
14:16 < DSP_Lord> that's because everything else moves the hell out of the way :P
14:16 < Randomist> Yay, I might get a free shell account.
14:17 < jr19> from where
14:17 < Randomist> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=79753
14:18 < Randomist> Surprisingly, not from Curose (or however you spell his name), who was giving out the Arch Linux e-mail addresses.
14:19 < Randomist> And blogs and whatnot.
14:20 <@Nikky> EXTERMINATE ALL HUMANS
14:21 < jr19> "...or as a proxy for stuff you wouldn't be caught dead with on your own PC"
14:21 < jr19> that sounds kinda evil
14:23 < Randomist> Wanna place a bet on how long it's going to stay up before the [insert government agency here] get up in his grill?
14:24 <@E-J> DSP_Lord: reason why they are fast is because normal cars aren't allowed to use them, only busses and taxis
14:26 < jr19> Randomist: someone is bound to take advantage of it and do something stupid
14:27  * Randomist goes to glass.
14:27 < Randomist> * class
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16:31 < jr19> krisk: i installed the RTM version and it came with an activation disabling script that seems to have worked
16:31 <+krisk> was it a batch script?
16:32 < jr19> yeah
16:32 < jr19> my computer is probably part a botnet now too heh
16:33 < jr19> but maybe not
16:35 <+krisk> nah the script is legit
16:35 <+krisk> i used it too
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16:38 < jr19> alright
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16:39 < jr19> i wish windows vista would've never existed
16:40 < DSP_Lord> i wish Windows ME never existed.
16:40 < DSP_Lord> so does everyone else i've ever talked to.
16:40 < jr19> at least they admitted ME was a complete failure
16:40 <+krisk> vista is fine
16:40 < jr19> vista they kept trying to push on everyone regardless of its suckage
16:40 < jr19> i dont know, i really hate it
16:41 < jr19> my dad runs it without problems, but he doesn't do too much besides manage photos and surf the web
16:41 < jr19> my mom has problems with its shitty wireless device management
16:42 < DSP_Lord> and this is why i have yet to switch to Vista.
16:42 < DSP_Lord> if i ever get around to buying a legit copy of XP, i never will get Vista.
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16:46 <+krisk> why would you ever buy xp?
16:50 < DSP_Lord> because i prefer to not pirate software?
16:51 < DSP_Lord> especially operating systems?
16:50 <+krisk> why xp?
16:51 < DSP_Lord> because it's not Vista.
16:51 < DSP_Lord> and i have no desire to upgrade to Win7 either.
16:51 < DSP_Lord> XP works just fine for me, tyvm.
16:54 < jr19> i just dealt with a client who was running vista and nothing was cooperating due to UAC
16:55 < BrandonW> That's why you turn it off.
16:55 < BrandonW> Vista sucks.
16:55 < BrandonW> I'm on XP and I'll give 7 a chance.
16:55 < DSP_Lord> i MIGHT dual-boot 7.
16:55 < DSP_Lord> but i doubt it.
16:56 < jr19> the problem with turning it off is that it's not our computer, we have no control over what the client does with it
16:57 < jr19> and when you turn it off, it puts that big red shield with the "X" in it down in the system tray to remind you that your computer is "in danger"
16:57 < jr19> and it scares people into turning it back on
16:58 < jr19> gah i'm just pissed off today
16:59 < DSP_Lord> http://www.scorehero.com/rankings.php?group=12&game=0&platform=0&size=1&inst1=1&inst=1&tier=22&diff=4&song=453&page=1
16:59 < DSP_Lord> er...
16:59 < DSP_Lord> shit, wrong window.
17:05 < jr19> you're god damn right it was
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17:27 <@_Auron_> AMAZING
17:27 <@_Auron_> http://imgur.com/1NjDV.jpg
17:27 < bsparks> ?
17:28 < bsparks> oh, shit
17:28 < bsparks> :D
17:28 <@_Auron_> :D
17:29 <@_Auron_> I should make a t-shirt that says <PIE> = 3.14 on the front, and P1E = <PIE>; <PIE> being a picture of a pie
17:29 <@_Auron_> it'd be neat
17:29 < bsparks> it would be
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17:46 < Randomist> Now, why didn't they give us that pnumonic device in school?  :P
17:46 < Randomist> * mnemonic
17:47 < Randomist> (Or however you spell it.)
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17:54 <+krisk> meme-monic
17:58 < jr19> :(
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17:59 <+krisk> mortgages are complicated
18:00 < jr19> are you thinking about buying a house, krisk 
18:01 <@E-J> krisk pinyan
18:04 <+krisk> pinyan?
18:07 < leofox> isnt that a transcription method for chinese?
18:08 <@E-J> krisk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Pinyan
18:08 <+krisk> oh that guy
18:08 <+krisk> ok?
18:08 < leofox> isnt that mr hands?
18:09 <+krisk> i dont get how that is even remotely related but whatever
18:09 < jr19> lol mr hands
18:09 <@E-J> about buying a horse
18:09 < jr19> how is that related to anything
18:10 <+krisk> why would i buy a horse?
18:11 < leofox> because horses are pretty cool
18:12 <+krisk> my family has a horse
18:12 <@E-J> i have eaten some horse meat
18:12 <+krisk> k
18:13 < leofox> I dont like horse meat
18:13 <@E-J> well it was in meetwurst sausage
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18:54 <+krisk> lol reaction concerning District 9:
18:54 <+krisk> i showed it to my gf and she said the shakycam was sensory overload after a while, and the story got lost in the last 30 mins as the movie turned into robocop/buddy action movie.
18:54 <+krisk> both are legitimate, reasonable complaints. but i still think it's a brilliant, amazing movie and i love it. so i broke up with her. i put all her shit in storage and kicked her the fuck out of my apartment.
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19:04 < leofox> of course
19:04 <+krisk> hi
19:04 < leofox> heu kirsk
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19:17 < jr19> bleh, headache
19:17 <+krisk> aww
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19:17 <+krisk> they are being slow with sending me my mb :(
19:17 <+Michael_V> "Can you give me an example, that our readers might be able to easily understand, of the things that you can't do on an Nspire that you would have been able to do on an earlier model?"
19:18 <+Michael_V> a request for the news article in the WSJ tomorrow
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19:18 <+Michael_V> does anyone have any better suggestions than me trying to mention running programs directly rather than through an interpreter?
19:18 <+Michael_V> (aka ASM vs. BASIC)
19:19 < millinao> WSJ?
19:19 < jr19> didnt you order the mb like a week and a half ago
19:19 <+Michael_V> wall street journal
19:19 <+Michael_V> I'm leaving in a few minutes for school...
19:19 <+Michael_V> I thought perhaps someone could have a better idea
19:19 <+krisk> a week ago i think
19:19 < millinao> wait, you're getting Nspire news in the WSJ?!
19:20 <+Michael_V> I'm going to suggest it's the difference between running a Java applet and a program directly on a PC
19:20 <+Michael_V> only if you come up with a suggestion :)
19:20 <+Michael_V> in about 5 minutes
19:20 < millinao> wait, will the new found keys allow native code to run on the nspire
19:20 <+Michael_V> no
19:20 <+Michael_V> I had told him how the community doesn't like the nspire much
19:20 <+Michael_V> because it's restricted
19:20 <+Michael_V> but apparently we need an example the average WSJ reader will understand
19:20 <+krisk> the availability icon said 3-5 days delivery time but when i asked yesterday they just repeated that they expect to send it in 3-5 days
19:21 <+krisk> so ill call tomorrow morning to cancel it and get it from a shop that supposedly has 10 in stock
19:21 <+Michael_V> who doesn't really have programming knowledge
19:21 < millinao> almost everybody?
19:22 <+Michael_V> almost everybody what?
19:22 < millinao> oh
19:22 <@E-J> Michael_V: difference between driving a car and pedal car?
19:22 <+krisk> if you dont even know of a good subject then why should it be in the wsj at all?
19:22 <+Michael_V> there is a subject
19:22 <+Michael_V> this was a last minute follow-up request
19:23 <+Michael_V> for additional information
19:23 < millinao> yeah why put it in the wsj, isn't this a little too much of a niche
19:23 <+Michael_V> don't ask me!
19:23 <+krisk> ah ok
19:23 <+Michael_V> not really, TI is a big company
19:23 <+Michael_V> I'm just trying now to figure out a good way to explain the difference between BASIC and ASM
19:23 <+krisk> woooooo new season of Supernatural thursday
19:23 <+Michael_V> to the normal person
19:23 <+krisk> does it really have to be about basic vs asm?
19:23 <+krisk> isnt there a more practical difference for students/whoever uses that thing?
19:24 <+Michael_V> yes but we're talking programming
19:24 <@E-J> Michael_V: and they are asking you, because you are known calculator enthusiast?
19:24 <+Michael_V> yes
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19:24 <+krisk> the article has to be about this specifically?
19:25 <+Michael_V> no
19:25 <+Michael_V> asldfsajlkfjsa;
19:25 <+Michael_V> I guess no one has an answer to my specific question
19:25 <+Michael_V> never mind
19:26 <+krisk> do you know anything about mortgages?
19:26 <+Michael_V> a little
19:27 <+Michael_V> but I'm about to leave for school
19:27 <+krisk> ah cool
19:27 <+krisk> cya
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19:27 < millinao> i guess just say it gives you more control over the device and is more powerful
19:28 < BrandonW> BASIC is so restricted on the Nspire that you can't do anything at all useful.
19:28 < BrandonW> You can't even produce math programs as easily as you could on the other models, let alone games or utilities.
19:28 < BrandonW> It's beacuse of the way the OS is structured.
19:28 < BrandonW> There's no fixing it.
19:28 < BrandonW> The Nspire, at its core, just sucks.
19:28 < BrandonW> They screwed up.
19:28 < BrandonW> They're done.
19:29 < BrandonW> It is a classroom learning tool, no more, no less.
19:29 < BrandonW> For practical use, it's pointless.
19:29 <@E-J> BrandonW: you couldn't say this while MV was still around?
19:29 < BrandonW> I just realized he quit, and I just now came on. :(
19:29 <@E-J> damn :(
19:37 <@chronomex> I may have his phone number
19:37 <@chronomex> let me check
19:38 <@E-J> http://thenextweb.com/2009/09/06/danny-devito-joins-twitter-profile-pic-avatar/
19:38 <+krisk> hahaa
19:40 <@chronomex> BrandonW: nope :\
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20:44 <@Nikky>  haw haw
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21:07 < fdi> what the chan about?
21:07 < millinao> calculators
21:07 < millinao> also bullshit
21:08 < Tribal> a.k.a randomshit
21:08 <@Andy_J> also clocks
21:08 <@chronomex> mostly calculators though
21:09 < Tahben> indeed.
21:09 < Tahben> I'm not getting involved in this one.
21:09 < Tribal> You already have
21:09 <@chronomex> fdi: who are you and why you ask?
21:09 < fdi> hm
21:09 < fdi> Trusted Computing Platform Alliance 
21:09 < fdi> hrm
21:09 < Tahben> I did not, don't be a ghey.
21:10 <@Andy_J> No.
21:10 < Tahben> millinao: and chronomex blew it.
21:10 < fdi> who are you ...i hate such question
21:10 < fdi> i have a nickname to hide my real ident
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21:10 < Spengo> I thought it was ti calculator programming alliance
21:11 < Spengo> you're on a boat though I see
21:11 < jr19> his server is at least
21:11 < fdi> or what you think why a nickname exist?
21:12 < millinao> Nah, this channel is actually about the chemical tetrachlorophthalic anhydride
21:12 <@chronomex> close enough
21:13 <@Andy_J> a nickname exists because there needs to be a character limit on your name
21:13 <@Andy_J> you're most certainly not anonymous
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21:14 < fdi> oh
21:14 < fdi> and i thought it exist to hide the real name
21:14 < Tahben> try harder next time, millinao 
21:14 <@chronomex> http://www.chemexper.com/cheminfo/servlet/org.dbcreator.MainServlet?sort=&query=msds._msdsID%3D20332&target=msds&action=PowerSearch&from=0&history=off&realQuery=rn.value%3D117-08-8&format=google2008
21:16 < Merthsoft> linuxy dudes i need some help
21:16 <@chronomex> smeg off
21:17 < Merthsoft> i need to look through all files in all the sub-directories of a specific directory for the declaration of malloc
21:17 <@chronomex> grep -r
21:17 < Merthsoft> and then what
21:18 <@chronomex> fgrep -r 'regex that looks for malloc' ./
21:18 < Merthsoft> and what would the regex that looks for malloc look like?
21:18 <@chronomex> don't know what you're looking for
21:19 < Merthsoft> malloc
21:19 <@Andy_J> grep -r malloc .
21:19 <@chronomex> fgrep will be faster for fixed strings
21:19 <@Andy_J> well.
21:19 <@Andy_J> what does malloc return?
21:19 < fdi> can you help me to compile a vserver with aes that loop-aes runs on it ( debian ) host runs @ redhat ? ;)
21:19 <@Andy_J> void* ?
21:19 < millinao> yeah
21:19 <@chronomex> fdi: um, no.
21:19 < fdi> hehe
21:19 <@Andy_J> grep -r "void *malloc" .
21:21 < fdi> this prob is so xcore nobody can solve it :(
21:21 < fdi> hrm but iam sure there is a way ;)
21:22 <@chronomex> fdi: xcore?
21:22 < fdi> xcore= hardcore
21:22 <@Andy_J> Not in any slang I've heard of.
21:22 < fdi> dam oldschool techno slang
21:22 < Merthsoft> thanks Andy_J 
21:23 < Merthsoft> i'm familiar with xcore
21:24 < fdi> like generation x and so on
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21:26 < fdi> a calculator chan ;) fun!
21:27 < millinao> how did you find it if you didn't go through ticalc
21:27 < fdi> i just joined some chans
21:28 < fdi> and one told that everyone is here
21:28 < fdi> but even knowed that ti=texas instruments
21:28 < fdi> +i +dont
21:29 < fdi> all calcs here are from casio...
21:29 < fdi> more or less
21:29 <@chronomex> crappio
21:31 < fdi> yep crap
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21:33 < fdi>  	
21:33 < fdi> TI-83 Plus Silver Edition
21:34 < fdi> dam expensive
21:34 < fdi> $299.99
21:34 < bsparks> o.o;;
21:35 <@chronomex> what
21:35 <@chronomex> where are you buying this
21:35 < fdi> amazon
21:36 < fdi> hehe
21:36 < fdi> http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-TI-83-Plus-Silver-Edition/dp/B00005LA9D
21:36 < jr19> $300 for a calculator?
21:36 < fdi> hm
21:36 < fdi> $149.35 is the normal price
21:36 < fdi> k
21:36 < jr19> is it actually made of silver?
21:36 < bsparks> jr19, that'd be silly
21:36 < bsparks> it'd short circut 
21:37 < jr19> it'd make a good paperweight
21:37 < jr19> but that's about it
21:37 < bsparks> I'd threow it at people
21:37 < jr19> i was going to say, a brick of sorts
21:37 < fdi> 300$
21:37 < fdi> they are on cocaine or so
21:37 < fdi> dam
21:37 < fdi> what a price
21:38 < fdi> Action Packaged, Inc.
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21:42 < bsparks> where in the hell did the, like, 3 or 4 2.5mm -> 3.5mm converters do
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21:51 <@chronomex> what
21:51 <@chronomex> http://www.amazon.com/Texas-Instruments-TI-89-Titanium-Calculator/dp/B000CMNK26/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t
21:51 <@chronomex> that's like
21:51 <@chronomex> completely wrong
21:52 < jr19> what the hell is Action Packaged
21:52 <@chronomex> no clue
21:54 < Tar1> ok, I need ideas for my CS homework
21:55 < Tar1> I need to build a boring animated scene
21:55 < Tar1> one interactive object, two moving things, and three stationary
21:55 <+krisk> 3 stationary stars sharing two planets orbiting them
21:57 < jr19> whats the interactive object then
21:57 <+krisk> a glass bowl in which all this is happening that you can rub for different speeds
21:57 <+krisk> and different colours
21:57 < jr19> haha
21:57 < jr19> i was thinking of something boring like a button that reverses the orbit path
21:58 < jr19> me and my boring ideas
21:58 < jr19> doesn't help that my massive headache won't go away
22:00 < jr19> oh well, work time over, goodbye
22:00 <@chronomex> this man is a moron: http://www.amazon.com/review/R1K62AO8826JAQ/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm
22:00 <+krisk> bb
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22:01 <+krisk> anyone happen to know which visualization in itunes was bought from some company that used to offer it for free?
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22:20 < bsparks> http://bit.ly/10gT7a o.o
22:25 < bsparks> http://twitter.com/Official_PAX is prolly a better link
22:26 <+krisk> ???
22:27 < bsparks> apparently H1N1 [ aka, swine flu ] made a showing at Pax 2009
22:27 <+krisk> ..ok..
22:27 < bsparks> it's just kinda surprising
22:27 <+krisk> ? its justa flu, thats what it does
22:28 < bsparks> it's just kinda odd
22:28 <+krisk> oh?
22:28 < bsparks> normally conventions hand out sanitizer etc, at least, last 3 cons I went to did >_>
22:28 <+krisk> lol
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22:30 < bsparks> that and dragoncon happened at the same time this year, as pax
22:32 < TD-Linux> hey
22:32 < TD-Linux> I feel like bringing up personal life
22:32 < TD-Linux> can it be "TD-Linux needs date ideas" time?
22:32 < bsparks> moonlight picnic, gogogo
22:32 <+krisk> blah i want Magnetosphere visualiser for nonitunes
22:33 <+krisk> date ideas?
22:35 < Tar1> go to a witch-burning
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22:44 <+krisk> sleep
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22:45 < Merthsoft> TD-Linux: You're asking a calculator programming channel for date ideas
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23:02 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
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23:14 < TD-Linux> Merthsoft, since when is this a calculator programming channel?
23:17 < Randomist> The other talk is just a channel screensaver.
23:17 < Randomist> However, sometimes, this screensaver is a buggy, and doesn't unlock immediately when the user returns.
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23:35 < leofox> ok
23:35 < leofox> who are you guys
23:36 < bsparks> ?
23:39 < leofox> heres a bunny
23:39 < leofox> with a pancake on its head
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23:46 < bsparks> well
23:46 < bsparks> leofox is drunk
23:46 < bsparks> what else is new?
23:50 < DrDnar> Well fuck. I have seen the last thing on the Internet: a how-to on masturbaition. http://www.aionsource.com/forum/chitchat/30288-epic-face-palm-yahoo-questions.html
23:50 < Randomist> Damn, he left.
23:50 < Randomist> I was going to screw with his mind for a bit.  :P
23:55 < incubus> lmfao
23:56 < incubus> DrDnar, the answers are MANY times worse than the questions
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