--- Log opened Mon Sep 07 00:00:44 2009
00:11 < TD-Linux> actually I don't think the boot code is necessary
00:11 < TD-Linux> and generally the OSes are referred to as roms
00:12 < TD-Linux> I believe one tool uses a custom written boot code + OS upgrade files
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00:12 < TD-Linux> my images were made by a tool that generated a bunch of appvars
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00:20 <+sir_lewk> huzzah for the prevalence of WEP networks
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00:34 <+sir_lewk> what is the prefered public torrent tracker these days?
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00:46 <@_Auron_> AHAHAHAHAHAHA
00:46 <@_Auron_> I just spent an hour and a half freaking out
00:46 <@_Auron_> over my code
00:56 <+sir_lewk> was it for a stupid bug?
01:05 <@_Auron_> well sortof
01:05 <@_Auron_> because I haven't implemented texture-independant drawing (as Stroids only uses one texture..), my tilemapper was trying to draw tiles from itself on accident
01:05 <@_Auron_> so I'd get random results of it either working or not working
01:06 <@_Auron_> sometimes it'd draw correctly, sometimes it'd update the new scrolled tiles as all water tiles, sometimes all grass tiles
01:06 <@_Auron_> and it was confusing the shit out of me
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01:15 <+sir_lewk> interesting
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01:30 < Randomist> Ew, deep-fried bananas.
01:32 <@_Auron_> wtf? awesome
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01:36 < efneTI92> [LordMathi] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
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01:41 < bsparks> http://photo.ijuln.net/index.php?album=screencaps&image=awesome.png&p=*full-image nsfw
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01:50 < JoeYoung> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCQSpzjHxpQ&feature=channel
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01:50 <+JoeYoung> you guys'll love that.
01:53 < Merthsoft> !k JoeYoung i most certainly do not
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01:54 < efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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01:54 <+JoeYoung> what? how come? :(
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01:59 <@_Auron_> JoeYoung: ............
02:00 <+JoeYoung> o_O
02:00 <+JoeYoung> what?
02:01 <@_Auron_> that video is not funny, it's creepy and stupid
02:02 <+JoeYoung> wait, what?
02:02 <+JoeYoung> OOOOOOHHH.........
02:02 <+JoeYoung> wrong link :O
02:02 <@_Auron_> that's why you got kicked by Merthsoft, dumbass. -.-
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02:02 <+JoeYoung> yeah, I can see what's going on now......
02:03 <+JoeYoung> I thought Merthsoft just had something against Little Big Planet :/
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02:09  * incubus stabs Merthsoft
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02:25 < BrandonW> Your blood is so sweet Timmy!
02:28 <+JoeYoung> haha
02:28 < Tar1> it's really effing hot here
02:29 < Tar1> actually, it's really humid
02:29 < Tar1> 93% humidity, 60 degress
02:29 < Tar1> *degrees
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02:39 < efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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03:03 < DrDnar> So TI's documentation is either wrong, or TIOS has a bug. SFont_Len does not work as described.
03:03 < BrandonW> Their documentation is wrong.
03:03 < BrandonW> The output is wrong.
03:03 < BrandonW> It's B instead of A or vice versa, I forget.
03:04 < DrDnar> I disassembled it.
03:04 < DrDnar> It's A, like the documentation says, if a font hook or localize hook is active.'
03:04 < BrandonW> The documentation is supposed to say B.
03:04 < BrandonW> I've disassembled TI applications that use it that way.
03:05 < DrDnar> Any reason the routine copies B to A before returning?
03:05 < DrDnar> When there's a hook active, that is.
03:05 < BrandonW> I'd have to look at it.
03:05 < BrandonW> Who knows, it could be a side effect of some macro use.
03:06 < BrandonW> They use macros a lot when calling hooks.
03:06 < DrDnar> I think it's actually supposed to return it in A, and it's a bug that they got stuck with after somebody else started using B.
03:06 < BrandonW> It's possible.
03:06 < BrandonW> Or someone was just an idiot.
03:06 < BrandonW> When they wrote it.
03:07 < BrandonW> You can find disconnected routines like that.
03:07 < BrandonW> Where a subroutine sets up the outputs a certain way.
03:07 < BrandonW> And then the calling routine uses it a different way.
03:07 < BrandonW> Or overcomplicates it.
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03:07 < BrandonW> My favorites are the routines with z80 flags as inputs.
03:08 < BrandonW> Like carry set or reset.
03:08 < DrDnar> VPutS is supposed to return carry if the string doesn't fit, but it doesn't.
03:09 < DrDnar> Only VPutMap does that.
03:09 < BrandonW> I'm not sure I've ever actually seen that logic used externally.
03:09 < DrDnar> I think they pop af
03:09 < BrandonW> Like in one of TI's applications.
03:09 < bsparks> I wonder how many twitter users are sad enough to have 1000 tweets
03:09 < BrandonW> I wonder how many people are sad enough to use Twitter.
03:09 < bsparks> way too many
03:10 < bsparks> I know like, 10% of users signed up actually use it, etc
03:10 < BrandonW> DrDnar, our certificate dumpers do work slightly differently.
03:10 < DrDnar> Oh?
03:10 < BrandonW> Mine is a straight dump of page 7Eh, yours is only the active sector.
03:10 < DrDnar> Oh yeah.
03:10 < BrandonW> It threw me for a loop for a minute.
03:11 < BrandonW> I'm so used to page dump AppVars.
03:11 < DrDnar> I only bothered with the active sector to save space.
03:11 < BrandonW> The certificate editor I'm working on managed to open it just fine.
03:11 < DrDnar> That's good.
03:12 < DrDnar> So when your program restores the certificate, does it restore both sectors?
03:12 < BrandonW> Yes, precisely as it was.
03:12 < BrandonW> App presence bitmap, OS valid flag, and all.
03:12 < BrandonW> I want backup/restore programs like that to be as dumb as possible.
03:12 < BrandonW> The more logic you put in it, the more likely it is to fail.
03:13 < DrDnar> I wanted to save 8K. I've never published mine anyway.
03:14 < BrandonW> Even though Free83P's obsolete, I'm going to modify it to be more accurate based on stuff we've learned the past few weeks, and change the way it works.
03:14 < BrandonW> To modify only the calculator public key and use the TI-OS' built-in ability to modify the certificate via 8XQ files.
03:14 < BrandonW> And future certificate programs would work the same way.
03:14 < DrDnar> Oh, instead of directly writing to it.
03:15 < BrandonW> Yes.
03:15 < BrandonW> This makes it piss easy to release a "put your name in the About screen" program.
03:15 < BrandonW> And other neato stuff.
03:15 < DrDnar> Aww, darn.
03:15 < DrDnar> I was special for a while.
03:16 < BrandonW> Seeing as how we'll never learn how calculator public keys work, this is as close as we'll get to real certificate updates.
03:16 < BrandonW> It's either this or patching the OS to have _BigNumCompare always return true, which makes all validation checks succeed.
03:17 < BrandonW> And OS patches naturally inherently have their own problems.
03:17 < BrandonW> Scratch "naturally".
03:17 < BrandonW> So I think modifying a few bytes (no insertions or deletions) in the certificate is a relatively safe thing to do.
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03:19 < Randomist> I'm the Jaugurnaut, bitch!
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03:23 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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03:33 < incubus> :D
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04:24 < DrDnar> How many people care about the uniqueness of their calc ID?
04:25 < DrDnar> We could always just make up private keys and IDs and write them to our calculators on our own.
04:25 < DrDnar> Or crack one and use it on all our calculators.
04:25 < BrandonW> The calc ID definitely needs to be unique because of things like Zoom Math.
04:26 < BrandonW> But yeah, the public keys can all be the same.
04:26 < BrandonW> That's what I'm proposing.
04:26 < DrDnar> sweet
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04:26 < BrandonW> One problem with this, though, is that the last 4 digits of the calc ID are generated from your public key.
04:27 < BrandonW> Which may not sound like a big deal, but there ARE places in the OS and boot code that recalculate this information.
04:27 < BrandonW> So if you change the public key, your calc ID has now changed, or has the potential to change.
04:27 < BrandonW> Just another example of not fully understanding the process and attempting to muck around with it.
04:27 < DrDnar> As long as nobody buys Zoom Math, we're okay.
04:28 < DrDnar> I know I'M good enough with math that I'd never have a need for it.
04:28 < BrandonW> While I have no problem cracking his software, I'm not cool with killing the very thing that the core of his protection scheme is based on.
04:28 < BrandonW> People need to have something unique and intact to their calculators.
04:28 < DrDnar> Unless they have a 83ified 73?
04:29 < BrandonW> That's another story.
04:29 < BrandonW> I rank "you can run it on a 73" right up there with cracking it.
04:29 < BrandonW> He targeted the 83+ series.
04:30 < BrandonW> Ah, who knows.
04:31 < BrandonW> I'm not sure what the right thing to do is.
04:33 < TheStorm> once we have them all cracked ask TI :P
04:33 < BrandonW> I'm pretty well convinced that they have some sort of database.
04:33 < BrandonW> Which they most certainly will not share.
04:34 < TheStorm> For instance say we would like a way to sign 8xq's so you guys don't need to worry about us passing off our code as yours
04:35 < BrandonW> I don't think there's any way to do it.
04:35 < BrandonW> Or anything that they could give us.
04:36 < TheStorm> you think its jsut a  database not formula involved?
04:36 < BrandonW> I don't see how it could be, there would have to be a relationship between the factors and the calc ID.
04:37 < BrandonW> Well, I guess pieces of the calc ID could be used for each...
04:38 < BrandonW> But still, to generate two large prime numbers reliably from 5 bytes?
04:39 < TheStorm> do we know anything about the format of 8xq's?
04:39 < BrandonW> Yes, I understand it.
04:39 < DrDnar> With all the millions of units they've shipped, it must be a gigabyte-sized data base. Not that that's a problem.
04:39 < DrDnar> for them
04:39 < TheStorm> are there doc's somewhere on them?
04:39 < BrandonW> I couldn't input junk into their web site for a calc ID, they MUST be validating it somehow.
04:40 < BrandonW> And I don't see how they could be, unless they have the factors (and therefore the public key) and are checking to see that the last 4 bytes are the correct signature for the first 5.
04:40 < BrandonW> There's no written documentation, no.
04:41 < BrandonW> They're basically 8XKs but with no Intel Hex, just binary data of fields (a 0300h block and a signature).
04:41 < BrandonW> In that 0300h block is the revision number (I think), the calc ID (which you would give them from the web site), a date stamp and signature, and the license block (ID/public key pairs).
04:42 < TheStorm> have you tried entering something like the 05 key into it?
04:42 < BrandonW> Into what?
04:43 < TheStorm> change the key in the 8xq to another one(replace the key pairs)
04:43 < BrandonW> That doesn't really buy us anything, I mean I'm sure it could be done.
04:43 < TheStorm> though that would invalidate wouldn't it?
04:43 < BrandonW> It would effectively be doing what Free83P does.
04:43 < BrandonW> Yes.
04:43 < BrandonW> The entire thing is signed with the factors from your calculator public key.
04:43 < BrandonW> That's what we would have to get in order to create our own 8XQs.
04:44 < TheStorm> There server can't be factoring it, so yeah they'ed have to have a database or something
04:44 < BrandonW> One thing I've noticed is that the 8XQ itself doesn't have the last 4 digits of the calc ID, just the first 5.
04:45 < BrandonW> But I'm doubting it means anything.
04:45 < BrandonW> But you do input all 9 on the web site.
04:45 < BrandonW> You do this by going to epsstore.ti.com and signing in, and registering the "product" in your profile, by the way.
04:49 < TheStorm> It must mean something :?
04:50 < BrandonW> We already know they have all 9 digits.
04:50 < BrandonW> So not including some doesn't tell us anything.
04:50 < BrandonW> The first byte of the calc ID (I believe) is related to the model.
04:50 < BrandonW> So if you ignore that, you have 4 bytes to play with.
04:50 < BrandonW> Two per factor?
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04:51 < BrandonW> I mean, who knows, it could be as simple as splitting that into two words and multiplying each by some constant number to get the factors.
04:51 < BrandonW> Er, well, you know.
04:51 < BrandonW> Some sort of formula.
04:52 < BrandonW> Are there ways to generate large prime numbers from some small seed?
04:52 < TheStorm> yeah thats what I was thinking
04:53 < BrandonW> It can't honestly be that easy, because then anyone could sign them.
04:54 < TheStorm> I mant the formulapart
04:54 < BrandonW> It's far more likely that our calc IDs are exactly that...IDs, tied to some sort of generated number on their side.
04:54 < BrandonW> By keeping no relationship between the two, they will forever have control over this.
04:54 < BrandonW> But that would imply they have some idea about what they're doing.
04:55 < TheStorm> could the prod # be related?
04:56 < BrandonW> No, that's completely generated from the hardware version, OS version, and model.
04:58 < TheStorm> hmm ok, so that will change with an OS update?
04:58 < BrandonW> Yes.
04:58 < BrandonW> Notice the last two numbers...convert them to decimal and you have the OS version.
04:58 < BrandonW> 02-2B would be OS 2.43.
04:59 < TheStorm> ok
04:59 < BrandonW> Although I think that WAS changed at some point.
04:59 < TheStorm> That doesn't work on an 89 though.
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05:01 < BrandonW> The first number is the model.
05:01 < BrandonW> I'm not sure what the others are.
05:01 < TheStorm> yeah I got that
05:01 < BrandonW> But I'd imagine it's something generated from the OS.
05:06 < BrandonW> Why do you imagine the digits are split on the About screen like they are?
05:06 < BrandonW> 5-5-4
05:08 < TheStorm> there must be a reason for it, that separation exists on all models
05:09 < TheStorm> wait the last for digits may be a key in their database, kinda like how all the other keys have four digit names 010A and etc
05:09 < BrandonW> Remember when they had that recall of 83+ calculators?
05:09 < BrandonW> It was a range of calc IDs.
05:09 < BrandonW> Like zeroes or sixes in the middle or something.
05:10 < BrandonW> It had to do with the fact that they could receive any Flash application.
05:10 < BrandonW> Or couldn't receive any, or something.
05:10 < BrandonW> There might be something to that.
05:10 < TheStorm> hmm, that's odd
05:11 < BrandonW> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/5/54/54165.html Eh.
05:13 < BrandonW> Read the post that Peter Martijn Kuipers responded to at the bottom.
05:16 < BrandonW> If it were based purely on calc ID, two people should be able to get the same application.
05:16 < BrandonW> But the situation may be that two people have the same calc ID, but different public keys.
05:16 < BrandonW> But you do have to register with TI first, and based on calc ID they may stop it right there.
05:17 < BrandonW> This was 8 years ago, they may have no idea what they're talking about.
05:17 < BrandonW> So I guess I can't really take much from it.
05:18 < BrandonW> Seven zeroes after the first three digits would be the tail end of the calc ID, not including the signature.
05:19 < TheStorm> it seems that having that calc ID allowed you to receive apps from anyone, sounds like a bug in the signing algorithm rather than because they have the same ID
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05:20 < BrandonW> If I understand correctly, it means there's at most 11000 duplicates.
05:20 < TheStorm> if only we had one of these 1 in a million 7 zero calc's
05:23 < TheStorm> are the any similarities between the calc ID's of your 84's BrandonW?
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05:23 < BrandonW> Only the first two digits, naturally.
05:24 < BrandonW> To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure anymore, because I don't know which of my certificate backups go with which calculator anymore.
05:24 < BrandonW> Hi dietsche.
05:24 < TheStorm> hmm ok, I was hopeing they'd have the same last four digits, that jsut seems like it should be a Key name to me
05:24 < BrandonW> They wouldn't have the same last 4 digits.
05:24 < BrandonW> That's the lower word of the signature of the first 5 digits.
05:25 < BrandonW> Or first 5 bytes, I mean.
05:25 < TheStorm> hmm ok
05:25 < BrandonW> It MD5 hashes the first 5 bytes, encrypts it with the calculator public key (17,n), and stores the lower two bytes.
05:25 < BrandonW> At least that's my understanding.
05:26 < BrandonW> It's just not enough information to get back to factors.
05:26 < TheStorm> why only the lower two bytes, that makes no sence to me :/
05:26 < BrandonW> Or even the public key.
05:26 < BrandonW> Yeah, who knows...just a unique signature, I guess.
05:26 < BrandonW> TI may be validating with that.
05:27 < TheStorm> and w're sure that the calc public key is unique the every calc
05:27 < BrandonW> Pretty sure, yes.
05:27 < BrandonW> It's different on several of my dumps.
05:28 < BrandonW> If it were the same, you could take the same 8XQ and install it on several calculators.
05:28 < BrandonW> Which is precisely what they don't want, because then you could put a paid application on more than one calculator.
05:28 < BrandonW> This is really the core of the paid application protection.
05:29 < BrandonW> So we still have to resort to hacks if we want to make our own 8XQs.
05:30 < BrandonW> We'll just have to live with the fact that it won't validate, and fortunately none of TI's code has ever checked that.
05:30 < TheStorm> could something like Free83P add a second public key?
05:30 < BrandonW> There can only be one.
05:30 < TheStorm> Hmm darn
05:30 < BrandonW> Based on the way it checks for it.
05:30 < BrandonW> It looks for field 0A20h.
05:30 < BrandonW> And I'm now hesitant to change it since the last 4 digits are calculated from it.
05:31 < BrandonW> And there's oncalc code to rebuild it from that.
05:31 < BrandonW> And I honestly don't know how/when/if it ever gets called.
05:31 < TheStorm> looking it that code would be our best bet IMO
05:32 < BrandonW> I'm tempted to just patch the OS to make _BigNumCompare always succeed.
05:32 < BrandonW> That lets you install any 8XQ, even invalid ones.
05:32 < BrandonW> Frankly anything, even invalid applications.
05:32 < BrandonW> Which would help some people with their validation problems.
05:32 <+dietsche> on the ti-89 i was able to add the simulator key to a real calculator... it worked
05:33 <+dietsche> might be different for a z80 though
05:33 < BrandonW> Did you send a file to it via TI Connect to cause that?
05:33 < TheStorm> if the last four digits are generated from it there must be a way to go the other way
05:33 <+dietsche> me?
05:33 < BrandonW> Yes.
05:33 <+dietsche> i wrote it to certificate memory directly with a program i wrote
05:33 <+dietsche> cause i didn't have the signing keys :)
05:34 < BrandonW> That we know we can do, it's what Free83P does, adding the 05 key directly.
05:34 <+dietsche> ah
05:34 <+dietsche> well, then i'm of no help :)
05:34 <+dietsche> i really should go to bed anyway
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05:36 < BrandonW> The problem is that Free83P makes all sorts of assumptions (some I know are incorrect) that I just don't like.
05:36 < BrandonW> And I really want to eliminate it.
05:37 <+dietsche> such as?
05:37 < BrandonW> Like right now, it doesn't attach a signature after the certification block in the certificate.
05:37 <+dietsche> ah
05:37 < BrandonW> It seems to work fine but I believe there's code somewhere that assumes there will be a signature after it.
05:38 <+dietsche> yeah... i never tested my program for that sort of thing
05:38 < BrandonW> I would much rather create an 8XQ file you use TI Connect to send to a calculator and let the TI-OS handle all the icky mess of integrating it into an existing certificate.
05:38 < BrandonW> Free83P replaces whatever is already there, which is bad for paid app keys you installed and so on.
05:38 < BrandonW> Even TI's code is impossible to follow with that.
05:38 < BrandonW> I trust it much more than myself.
05:38 < BrandonW> Which I...never thought I'd say.
05:39 <+dietsche> so what's the difficulty with making your own 8XQ? signing it?
05:39 < BrandonW> Yes.
05:39 <+dietsche> don't you have the keys now?
05:39 < TheStorm> Not to sign 8XQ's
05:39 < BrandonW> To sign an 8XQ, you have to have the factors to that calculator's public key, and it's unique to each calculator.
05:39 <+dietsche> oh!
05:40 <+dietsche> guess i didn't realize that each calc had its own id
05:40 <+dietsche> er
05:40 <+dietsche> key
05:40 <+dietsche> i just assumed the id was some sort of encrypted hash
05:40 < BrandonW> We have no idea where it comes from, and that's the problem.
05:40 <+dietsche> hmm
05:40 < BrandonW> Either TI has a giant database of calc ID to public key mappings, or it's generated from it somehow.
05:41 <+dietsche> well, ok
05:41 <+dietsche> i really need to hit the hay
05:41 < BrandonW> Either way, we're pretty much screwed.
05:41 <+dietsche> got a big bike ride tomorrow :)
05:41 <+dietsche> but sounds like an interesting thing to figure out :)
05:41 < BrandonW> Good luck.
05:41 < TheStorm> the issue I see with each calc having its own key would be the millions of primes they'd need, not that there is a shortage of them but still
05:41 < BrandonW> I could see it.
05:41 < BrandonW> Generating primes and calc IDs for each calculator.
05:41 <+dietsche> well, they at least have a database with all of the calc ids in it
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05:42 < TheStorm> what if only one of the primes was calculator specific?
05:42 < BrandonW> dietsche's word is gospel, so I'm going with that.
05:42 < BrandonW> It's possible, who knows.
05:42 < BrandonW> We really need to factor one of these damn things and find out.
05:42 < BrandonW> But the BOINC people won't do it.
05:42 < BrandonW> So we'll have to do it ourselves.
05:42 < BrandonW> That's 2-3 months for one key.
05:43 < TheStorm> why won't they?
05:43 < BrandonW> They're too scared of TI, which is utter nonsense, we're factoring OS and application keys for Christ's sakes.
05:43 < BrandonW> But that's what they said.
05:44 < BrandonW> I would say factor one, look at the primes and compare the matching calc ID to it.
05:45 < BrandonW> If something obvious jumps out, yay.
05:45 < BrandonW> If not, we're screwed.
05:48 < BrandonW> Unless we get to a point where we can factor a 512-bit integer in seceonds/minutes, this is impossible to 
05:48 < BrandonW> get around.
05:48 < BrandonW> And the only option is to use an exploit.
05:49 < TheStorm> patched OS looks to be a good start, at least for testing
05:49 < BrandonW> The option with the fewest variables is to patch _BigNumCompare. It's guaranteed to work, won't have any side effects except for the fact that the certificate update itself doesn't validate (which has never mattered), and it has the advantage of giving people the ability to install stubbornly invalid Flash applications.
05:50 < BrandonW> Maybe one day we can write real code to install updates, once we fully understand the certificate.
05:50 < BrandonW> And the TI-OS code.
05:52 < BrandonW> We may have to do that anyway, depending on how flexible the TI-OS code is.
05:52 < BrandonW> We really don't even know what it does.
05:52 < BrandonW> this certificate revision thing being the biggest mystery.
05:52 < BrandonW> What EXACTLY happens when you install an 8XQ file with About screen text when your certificate already has such a block, for example?
05:53 < TheStorm> I think patching the OS and testing 8xq would be a good start
05:55 < DrDnar> Come, friends, who plough the web, Truce to RIAA nation; Take another station; Let's vary piracee, With a little burglaree!
05:58 < DrDnar> No Gilbert and Sullivan fans?
06:01 < DrDnar> Turns out I actually DO know someone from TI Calc: http://www.ticalc.org/cgi-bin/acct-view.cgi?userid=3163
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06:17 < efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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06:26 < jr19> ahhhh
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06:58 < tr1p1ea> wow the TI80 i bought off ebay arrived ... and it still has its original packaging lol!
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07:01 <+sir_lewk> nice!
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07:33 < Nikkyjr> hewrerrro
07:33 < Nikkyjr> I'm so bored
07:34 < Nikkyjr> this class sucks
07:34 < Nikkyjr> all the law studfents are playing supreme court
07:34 < Nikkyjr> and we have to watch
07:34 < tr1p1ea> morons
07:34 < Nikkyjr> ughhh
07:34 < Nikkyjr> I woke up- early for this
07:34 < Nikkyjr> oh, hmm
07:35 < Nikkyjr> What's happening tr1p1ea?
07:38 < tr1p1ea> nothing man
07:38 < tr1p1ea> relaxing after work
07:38 < tr1p1ea> spot of coding, nothing major
07:40 < Nikkyjr> nice
07:42 < millinao> lolwut nikky
07:43 < millinao> wait why are you in italy O_o
07:45 < tr1p1ea> he is italian
07:50 < millinao> bah, sleep time
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07:51 < tr1p1ea> bah
07:51 < tr1p1ea> black sheep
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08:03 < efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin.
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08:34 <@chronomex> hey, is anyone on windows and awake right now
08:34 <@chronomex> ?
08:36 <@_Auron_> wow, someone that bought my game said "I can finally put down my ipod touch"
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08:47 < _Digital> where the heck did my v200 go
08:47 <@chronomex> I took it?
08:49 < _Digital> found it
08:49 < _Digital> it go slid under my bed
08:50 <@chronomex> nice
08:54 < DSP_Lord> <_Auron_> wow, someone that bought my game said "I can finally put down my ipod touch"
08:54 < DSP_Lord> that's not a good thing is it?
08:54 < _Digital> ^
08:54 <@chronomex> it's a G1 game though
08:54 < _Digital> I figured I didn't want to be the team killing jerk to say it first :P
08:54 <@chronomex> er, android in general
08:54 < DSP_Lord> oh, wait.
08:55 < _Digital> I swear one day I'm going to get banned for giving DSP_Lord so much crap for that...
08:58 <@_Auron_> yeah it's an android game
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08:59 <@_Auron_> not iphone/itouch
09:08 < tr1p1ea> http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3410/sfox.gif lol!
09:10 <@_Auron_> tr1p1ea: My tilemapper is stupid fast like I hoped it'd be :)
09:11 <@_Auron_> and what's lol about that? that's badass :X
09:11 < tr1p1ea> a simple starfao wouldnt be too difficult you reakon?
09:12 < tr1p1ea> starfox*
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09:17 <@_Auron_> I wouldn't think so
09:17 <@_Auron_> depends though
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10:34 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
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11:13 < efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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12:50 <@Nikky> hi
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14:35 < Merth> hi guys
14:35 <@Nikky> hi
14:35 < i_c-Y> hi
14:36 < Merth> so who gets labor day off?
14:36 < Merth> not me!
14:40 < bsparks> I do :D
14:40 < bsparks> because it's raining
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15:00 <@E-J> Merth: i do, but our labour day is may day is walburg
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15:06 < Merth> E-J: you don't count
15:07 <@E-J> damn :)
15:07 <@E-J> http://ircpics.com/?p=showpix&showpix=76070
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15:30 < kirsk> hiyo
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16:20 < efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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16:21 <@E-J> BrandonW: my boinc manager claims that servers are down
16:22 < TheStorm> E-J, it appears they are
16:24 <@E-J> ok
16:24 <@E-J> just great, i had internet connection down from sunday and now that it works, those servers are down :)
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16:59 <@E-J> asmand: http://www.telvis.fi/tvopas/?vw=program&key=1_1252342800000
17:06 < incubus> E-J, I don't speak Finnish
17:06 < incubus> ass.
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17:08 <@E-J> incubus: and you can't watch finnish tv either
17:08 < incubus> E-J, but what if I want to
17:09 <@Andy_J> NO FINNISH TV FOR YOU!
17:09 <@E-J> incubus: well, maybe you can somehow, but like you said, you don't speak finnish, so you wouldn't understand most of it
17:10 < incubus> Fuck :(
17:10 <@E-J> there is also one swedish channel for finnish swedish
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17:23 < incubus> lol
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18:07 < efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
18:07 < likeWOAH> snakes on a cane?
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18:28 < BrandonW> The BOINC server is down.
18:28 < BrandonW> And the web site.
18:28 < BrandonW> Has been for the past 4 hours.
18:28 < BrandonW> I sincerely hope nothing's happened.
18:29 < DrDnar> Madness.
18:29 < BrandonW> 0108 and 02 should be in the final phase (I THINK the people doing it have already downloaded all the work they need to finish their phases).
18:29 < BrandonW> So the only thing we'd be losing is the date stamp key, as long as those two can finish.
18:30 < BrandonW> How crazy would it be if this is TI's doing?
18:30 < BrandonW> Every key but the date stamp key.
18:30 < BrandonW> They got there too late.
18:31 < i_c-Y> either way, using a few year old hardware, we could still get 6 months / key. run that on 3 machines and its only a matter of time.
18:31 < BrandonW> We know a key can be done in 3 months.
18:31 < BrandonW> The date stamp key is the only one we'd have to do from scratch.
18:32 < i_c-Y> and its not a very important key, is it?
18:32 < BrandonW> Nope.
18:32 < BrandonW> 0108's not either, the only one we really need is 02.
18:32 < BrandonW> But that comes after 0108.
18:34 < BrandonW> I'm sure we'll get 0108.
18:34 < BrandonW> 02 is the only one I'm scared of.
18:39 < Spengo> damn
18:39 < Spengo> isohunt is all CRITICAL SQL ERROR today
18:39 < BrandonW> The internet's broken today.
18:39 < BrandonW> Looks like I might have to try going outside.
18:39 < mokomull> aww, Spengo can't get his illegal files, sad day
18:39 < mokomull> BrandonW: No, nothing but that!
18:39 < Spengo> illegal my ass
18:39 < Spengo> all I ever download is linux isos
18:39 < DrDnar> Actually, come to think of it, the robotfindskitten website is down too.
18:39 < Spengo> truth
18:40 < i_c-Y> you can get them off the distro's website.
18:40 < Spengo> yeah but I can also get them from isohunt.com :U
18:40 < i_c-Y> or distrowatch maybe
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18:45 < TheStorm> wtf tilp will only send apps after I do a  dirlist :/
18:46 < TheStorm> at least it's working though
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18:47 < TheStorm> I still don't know why all my apps got deleted though
18:47 < BrandonW> Were you playing with the certificate?
18:48 < TheStorm> Oh yeah I tried Free83P on it, thats right, now I remember
18:48 < BrandonW> That's another thing that needs to be fixed.
18:48 < BrandonW> It should be preserving those upper memory areas.
18:48 < BrandonW> If we knew what they were...
18:48 < BrandonW> 1F18h+ is probably safe.
18:53 < BrandonW> I know for a fact there are others before that on the SEs/84+, but I don't think they're necessary.
18:53 < BrandonW> Stuff like Testguard2.
18:53 < BrandonW> Although...
18:54 < BrandonW> The app presence bitmap might be back there.
18:54 < BrandonW> My eyes sort of glaze over at that code in disassemblies.
18:55 < TheStorm> yeah I know what you mean
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19:17 < BrandonW> "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim" on a YouTube video yet I'm watching it.
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19:23 < i_c-Y> ist it because of the musics?
19:23 < BrandonW> Probably.
19:23 <+Noah_> bsparks, you there?
19:23 < BrandonW> There's audio, to.
19:23 < BrandonW> too.*
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19:24 < bsparks> Noah_, why?
19:24 <+Noah_> did you update the file on ticalc.org or was it the coauthor 
19:24 <+Noah_> just wondering
19:24 < bsparks> what file?
19:25 <+Noah_> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/421/42119.html
19:25 < bsparks> oh, I just wanted credit, not to be listed as an author lol
19:26 < BrandonW> I've run out of windows to sacrifice, and I've lost the ability to right-click.
19:26 < TheStorm> I have no clue what was taking up all of the ram on my 89Ti but thankfully a full memory reset fixed it
19:27 < TheStorm> I should write an x-link packer so that I can easily restore files from my flash drive anywhere
19:27 < BrandonW> Do you still use that application?
19:28 < BrandonW> It could be done so much better, silent link support and an external interface.
19:28 < TheStorm> Yeah for my 86
19:28 < TheStorm> since I was neverable to get chmas or w/e its called to work
19:28 < BrandonW> I love chmasc.
19:29 < TheStorm> it doesn't like my 86 or I would to
19:29 < TheStorm> too*
19:31 < TheStorm> I really wish TI hadn't discontinued the 86,
19:31 < TheStorm> it was an awesome calc.
19:31 < BrandonW> Agreed, but Flash has so much more potential.
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19:35 < TheStorm> just think, an 86 with flash, USB, and a faster proc
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19:37 < BrandonW> It definitely would've been nice.
19:41 < BrandonW> 73 OS key in two days, 0108 before that more than likely.
19:42 < TheStorm> Woot, I can has Doom89 :)
19:51 <@E-J> servers work again?
19:52 < TheStorm> E-J, I'd say no but IDK
19:53 < BrandonW> Not that I know of, are you seeing something, E-J?
19:53 <@E-J> nope
19:53 <@E-J> i assume mine is still backing up 73os-data or something like that
19:53 < BrandonW> This is pretty sad, I'm so low on resources on this PC that I'm VNCing to another one to do web surfing and stuff.
19:53 < BrandonW> I will not give in!
19:55 < bsparks> great, facebook being on the fritz is a known issue with opera >_>
19:57 < millinao> i think your issue there is using facebook
19:57 < BrandonW> I wonder if any of the BOINC contributors are from TI.
19:57 < TheStorm> bsparks, facebook has been having issues no matter what you useing
19:57 < incubus> lol
19:57 < millinao> yeah it sucks on FF too
19:57 < incubus> lol they finished stmp already?
19:57 < incubus> er nm my tasks weren't showing up, I see them now
19:58 < BrandonW> Server's down while sieving that (final) key.
19:58 < incubus> :D
19:58 < BrandonW> 0108 and 02 are in the final phase (we're crossing our fingers that we have enough downloaded from the server for 02 to finish).
19:59 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: you need to give a speech
19:59 <@_Auron_> FB is freaking out
19:59 < i_c-Y> to the TI community
19:59 < incubus> true that
19:59 < i_c-Y> something like We shall fight on the beaches by Churchill
19:59 < incubus> haha
19:59 < BrandonW> I really want to.
19:59 <@E-J> give it in german, it's more convicing language than english
19:59 < incubus> and glk would randomly stand up while talking and say "I have much math data" and try to plug his website
20:00 < incubus> and BrandonW would keep talking like nothing happened
20:00 < BrandonW> YouTube video?!
20:01 < TheStorm> would that be like people yelling freebird randomly at concerts :P
20:01 < BrandonW> I'm definitely going to do something as a thank you to the community.
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20:05 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
20:06  * Randomist waves, and wonders if Windows has something like a "kexec."
20:07 < mokomull> I still see no reason one might use kexec, unless perhaps one's BIOS is particularly slow.
20:07 < Randomist> Yes, mine is.
20:07 < BrandonW> There's no reason for Randomist doing anything.
20:08 < _Digital> his reasoning is purely random
20:08 < Randomist> My BIOS takes a good ten seconds or so, then GRUB, a few more.
20:08 < TheStorm> mokomull, Its more useful for embedded devices or kernel as a bootloader setups
20:09 < _Digital> POSTING takes about 10 seconds for me as well
20:09 < _Digital> POST-ing
20:11 < Randomist> I thought by this day and age, full reboots and shutting down would be a thing of the past.
20:11 < i_c-Y> do you have extended ram testing or something?
20:11 < _Digital> I need to update teh firmware of one of my HDDs, I forgot about that
20:11 < _Digital> my 1TB drive has some performance issues that seagate fixed
20:11 < Randomist> I don't know.  TOSHIBA didn't really give me many options to play with in my BION.
20:12 < Randomist> The most interesting thing they gave is hardware virtualization.  That's about it.
20:12 < _Digital> I'll do that when I bring my server down to switch to water cooling in a month or two
20:12 < _Digital> N and S are on different sides of the keyboard
20:12 < i_c-Y> he doesnt use a QWERTY layout iirc.
20:12 < Randomist> "HTNS," foo'.  :P
20:12 < i_c-Y> dvorak i think
20:13 < BrandonW> Psycho.
20:14 < Randomist> At least I'm sticking with one.  :)
20:14 <+krisk> are you?
20:15 < Randomist> I went back and forth a few times in the beginning, then got used to Dvorvak.
20:15 < Randomist> * Dvorak
20:15 < i_c-Y> can you still use qwerty properly?
20:15 < Randomist> No.
20:15 < i_c-Y> way to be useless.
20:15 < Randomist> That's the other reason I stuck with it.  :P
20:17 < i_c-Y> its not even something that makes sense. 
20:17 < Randomist> At least, when I have to learn QWERTY again, I get a chance to learn it the right way.
20:17 < i_c-Y> atleast things like gullwing cars have a use, despite you're screwed when your car flips over
20:18 < jr19> hello
20:18 <+krisk> hi
20:18 < Randomist> Hello, random user.
20:18 < jr19> whats going on today
20:19 < Randomist> No classes.
20:19 < Randomist> Yay.
20:19 <@_Auron_> or work. or money from the bank.
20:19 <@_Auron_> OR ANYTHING
20:19 <@_Auron_> god
20:20 < BrandonW> Yeah, the horror.
20:20 < BrandonW> For a day off or the banks to close and stuff.
20:20 < Randomist> *Creepy music.*
20:20 < jr19> yeah i am enjoying my day off, it's nice to have the work week go one day shorter
20:21 <@_Auron_> :P
20:21 < Randomist> I hate WebCT>
20:21 < Randomist> * .
20:21 < i_c-Y> you can use an atm card...
20:23 < jr19> i'm looking at new cell phones...
20:23 < BrandonW> The horror.
20:23 < BrandonW> They're looking at you too, you know.
20:23 < BrandonW> There's no turning back. Once you see them...they see you.
20:23 < jr19> i'm thinking about going blackberry :\
20:23 < i_c-Y> stare at the abyss and the abyss stares back
20:24 < i_c-Y> get WoW instead, its cheaper
20:24 < BrandonW> I watched The Abyss last night.
20:24 < jr19> boooo mmorpg
20:24 < TheStorm> jr19, go android or WinMo its much better IMO
20:24 < BrandonW> You bitch! You never backed away from anything in your life, now fight!
20:24 < BrandonW> FIGHT! FIIIIIIIIGHT!
20:24 <+krisk> its a nice movie
20:25 < Randomist> I think I'm past due for watching a movie.
20:25 < Randomist> It's been a couple of months.
20:26 < BrandonW> I have a friend completely ignorant of classic movies.
20:26 < BrandonW> I've been flooding him with stuff lately.
20:26 < BrandonW> We watched Die Hard last night.
20:26 <+krisk> thats not a classic movie
20:27 < jr19> android isn't a choice
20:27 < Randomist> The last thing I saw was "Cannibal Holocaust."
20:27 < jr19> WinMo is...
20:27 < BrandonW> Die Hard's classic.
20:27 < BrandonW> It's a must-see.
20:27 < TheStorm> Die Hard 4 made me cringe, your ISP has no power so no matter how many generators you have you can't get internet
20:27 <+krisk> get WinMo with TouchFlo2
20:27 < BrandonW> Who said it was teh internet?
20:28 < jr19> i dont know if there will be an HTC phone with TouchFlo2 available to me for awhile...through my current provider anyway
20:28 < TheStorm> the "wizard" guy or w/e was supposidly on teh tubes
20:28 < Randomist> Is that two separate subjects in one sentence?
20:28 < TheStorm> Randomist, no
20:28 <+krisk> I think you can just install TouchFlo on any WM phone with touchscreen I think
20:29 < jr19> actually nevermind, htc touch pro 2 is coming eventually here
20:29 <+krisk> nice
20:30 <+krisk> its a great phone, i am very happy with it
20:30 < jr19> i don't know when though
20:30 <+krisk> cant you order it from somewhere?
20:30 < Randomist> Technology, Calculators, Phones, Assorted.
20:31 <+krisk> i liked the recent pothead version of tcpa
20:31 < jr19> no
20:32 < jr19> US cellular won't let you use a phone that isn't US Cellular branded
20:32 <+krisk> fun
20:32 <+krisk> cant get another provider?
20:33 < Randomist> topic
20:33 < jr19> not with mobile broadband
20:33 < Randomist> Whoops.
20:33 <+krisk> lame
20:33 < jr19> well actually i could get verizon, but everyone i know who has had verizon has switched to US Cellular due to dropped calls, shitty coverage, etc
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20:36 < jr19> pothead version of tcpa?
20:37 <+krisk> the something pothead association
20:37 < jr19> oh heh
20:37 <+krisk> or the comething pothead association
20:37 < jr19> i smoked a bit last night
20:37 <@E-J> the commie pothead association
20:37 < leofox> c is for cannabis
20:37 <+krisk> oh yeah
20:38 <+krisk> but someone put a good one in the topic a little while ago
20:38 <+krisk> i liked that one
20:38 < jr19> communal?
20:39 <+krisk> could be
20:40 < leofox> krisk didnt you go to the goa party in zaandam saturday
20:40 <+krisk> its the coming saturday
20:40 <+krisk> 12th
20:41 <@chronomex> woot, I have internets now!
20:41 < leofox> krisk yeah i meant that
20:41 < jr19> chronomex: +1 internet for you
20:41 < leofox> my friend from wormer goes there too
20:41 <+krisk> leofox i think ill go to zaandijk though
20:41 < leofox> whatsit called again
20:41 <+krisk> http://shut-up-and-dance.hyves.nl/
20:42 < leofox> the bar where these things always are
20:42 <+krisk> @ zaandijk/den haag beach
20:42 <+krisk> De Kade
20:42 <+krisk> @ zaandam
20:42 < leofox> yeah the kade
20:42 < leofox> but also
20:42 <+krisk> judging from the zaandijk one's hyves its really awesome great hippieness
20:42 < leofox> the one in koog aan de zaan
20:42 < leofox> something with a W
20:42 < leofox> damnit
20:42 <+krisk> uhm maybe its on goatrance.nl
20:43 < leofox> waakzaamheid
20:43 <+krisk> ah yeah
20:43 < jr19> goat trance
20:43 < leofox> the first time I drank beer at a party was there
20:43 <+krisk> goat rance
20:43 <+krisk> cool
20:43 < leofox> I was like 14 or so
20:43 <+krisk> lulz
20:43 < leofox> or maybe 15
20:46 < jr19> i drank beer for the first time the same night i smoked pot for the first time
20:46 < jr19> interesting night
20:46 < leofox> lol
20:46 < leofox> I smoked pot for the first time not so long ago
20:46 <+krisk> same
20:46 < leofox> but I did like  spacecake a few times
20:46 < jr19> i think it was 9-10 years ago
20:46 <+krisk> what do uyou think of the pics on that hyves?
20:47 < leofox> shut up and dance?
20:47 <+krisk> jkup
20:47 < leofox> it looks like these girls were the 3 hottest on the party
20:47 < leofox> http://shut-up-and-dance.hyves.nl/album/15372179/Shut_Up_Dance/ztu67o96/fotos/606152182/0/sGzn/
20:48 < leofox> and they arent hot at all
20:48 <+krisk> no
20:48 <+krisk> theres one...
20:49 < leofox> I just heard i'm going to do shrooms tomorrow
20:49 < jr19> krisk did show me one that he was interested in i remember
20:50 < jr19> lol i saw that pic too leofox 
20:50 <+krisk> anyway i ment more like does it seem like a nice party?
20:50 < jr19> nice stomach on the one on the right
20:53 <+JoeYoung> Billions of electronic-eating 'crazy rasberry ants' invade Texas
20:53 <+JoeYoung> guess what prompted me to find this article?
20:53 <+JoeYoung> They are invading my house.
20:53 <+JoeYoung> and the very laptop i am using
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20:54 <+JoeYoung> I am just so fucked now. google the article to find out.
20:55 < leofox> JoeYoung the times article 404s on me
20:56 < leofox> and apparently hit nr 3 is the why we protest forums
20:56 < leofox> wtf
20:56 <+krisk> leofox i ment more like does it seem like a nice party?
20:56 < jr19> i think it looks fun
20:56 < leofox> the people look a bit like chavs
20:56 < leofox> but it seems nice
20:56 <+krisk> the guys do
20:56 < leofox> kind of alternative
20:56 <+krisk> lots of guys ~_~
20:56 <+JoeYoung> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3941545.ece
20:56 <+JoeYoung> works for me
20:56 < leofox> yeah
20:57 < leofox> all the links were pointing to a different link
20:57 < leofox> wtf
20:57 <+krisk> so should i go there or to de kade
20:58 < leofox> dunno
20:58 < leofox> de kade might be a bit empty
20:58 <+krisk> really?
20:58 < leofox> dunno
20:58 < leofox> de kade is always empty when im there
20:58 <+krisk> hehlol
20:59 <+krisk> it was pretty good when roosbeef was there
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21:01 < leofox> it was pretty empty
21:01 < leofox> compared to roosbeef in nijmegen
21:01 <+krisk> there dont have to be much more people than that
21:01 < leofox> roosbeef nijmegen was great
21:01 <+krisk> i mean it was full though everyone had some space
21:01 <+krisk> thats good imho
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21:08 < efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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21:36 <+krisk> what's some good american stand up comedy?
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21:36 <+krisk> bonus points for alternative/hippie comedians
21:36 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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21:44 <@_Auron_> yeah facebook is completely fucked up right now
21:45 <+Michael_V> aha!
21:45  * Michael_V sees the bug in Emu8x
21:48 <+Michael_V> YES
21:48 <+Michael_V> sort of
21:48  * Michael_V almost has the 81 ROM working in Emu8x
21:48 <+Michael_V> I give up...I'm programming again already
21:48 <+Michael_V> at least because of the holiday today
21:48 <+Michael_V> I have a few more hours to try to get the TI-81 working in Emu8x before it's back to schoolwork
21:50 < incubus> lol
21:50 < BrandonW> Does this mean we'll have 5 ROMs instead of 4?
21:51 <+Michael_V> no
21:51 <+Michael_V> I'm going to leave it at 4 I think
21:51 <+Michael_V> lest the app gets too large
21:51 < BrandonW> I imagine we could just create another app, re-name it, and re-sign it.
21:51 < BrandonW> Unless you're looking yourself up or something.
21:51 <+sir_lewk> hello there Michael_V
21:51 <+Michael_V> hello
21:53 < jr19> krisk: you there?
21:53  * Michael_V realizes how insane he was writing Emu8x
21:53 <+krisk> hig
21:53 <+Michael_V> it's taken me a few hours just to realize that no, I wasn't wrong or suboptimal when I wrote this before
21:53 <+Michael_V> and what seems stupid then is really the right and necessary way
21:54 -!- LordMathi is now known as DSP_Lord
21:55 <+Michael_V> dec d
21:55 <+Michael_V> 	add a,60h
21:55 <+Michael_V> 	ld a,0C0h >> 2
21:55 <+Michael_V> 	rla
21:55 <+Michael_V> 	add a,a
21:55 <+Michael_V> 	ld h,a
21:55 <+Michael_V> like that
21:56 <+Michael_V> I couldn't understand what I did there for a while
21:56  * sir_lewk 's eyes glaze over
21:57 <+Michael_V> apparently the secret is that the carry flag is set in the first "add"
21:57 <+Michael_V> which the ld doesn't modify
21:57 <+Michael_V> so it then rotates in with the rla
21:57  * dietsche feels the urge to ask a newbie question :P
21:57 <@Andy_J> you didn't comment that why? <_<
21:57 <+Michael_V> commenting? what is this?
21:58 <+dietsche> commenting is for mortals
21:58 <@Andy_J> I think it's something people who wish to remain sane do.
21:58  * dietsche is mortal 
21:58  * Andy_J is sane and mortal
21:58 <+dietsche> commenting encourages sanity ;)
21:59 < DSP_Lord> lol
21:59  * Michael_V has the stack pointer at ~8100h
21:59 <+Michael_V> take that for sanity
21:59 < BrandonW> We're all waiting, why was it done that way?
21:59 <+Michael_V> speed apparently
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22:05 <+krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL6xgki326E&feature=related
22:05 <+krisk> amazing
22:05 <+Michael_V> haven't you seen the version with subtitles?
22:05 <+krisk> yes
22:05 <+krisk> fake subtitles are lame
22:06 <+Michael_V> that video is awesome
22:06 <+krisk> yes
22:06 <+Michael_V> I hear the subtitles in my head now
22:06 <+Michael_V> as it plays
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22:08 < DrDnar> My data file for robotfindskitten sets .org 0h.
22:08 < DrDnar> I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of that. But it felt pretty smart at the time.
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22:14 < DrDnar> I'm sad to say there are otherwise no hacks in it whatsoever.
22:15 < BrandonW> I still have no idea what robotfindskitten is.
22:15 <@_Auron_> LOL
22:15 <@_Auron_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEWgs6YQR9A
22:16 < DrDnar> Your ticalc.org email addresses . . . are those forwarded to another account? Or does ticalc have POP or something.
22:17 <+Michael_V> we have everything
22:17 <+Michael_V> I used to read it in PINE on the server
22:17 <+Michael_V> but I use POP now
22:17 < DrDnar> You could download and try it: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/421/42120.html . Or play the Javascript version: http://www.dinosaursandmoustaches.com/robotfindskitten.php?#
22:17 < DrDnar> The humor is in the responses.
22:17 <+Michael_V> we can even send e-mails that are delivered before we send them
22:17 <+Michael_V> because ticalc.org is that powerful
22:18 < BrandonW> I still have no idea what it is...
22:19 < i_c-Y> losers. 
22:19 < DrDnar> A joke?
22:20 < DrDnar> FTL email?
22:20 < DrDnar>  That's powerful.
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22:26 < efneTI92> [bsparks] http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/images/smilies/grayscale_drifter2.gif Parrot.
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22:31 < efneTI92> [sir_lewk_] http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95  I have much DATA in VELOCIRAPTORS AND PHILOSOPH
22:32 <+Michael_V> ah
22:32 <+Michael_V> ld h,0E0>>1 \ add a,60h \ rl h \ add a,a \ sub 80h \ and 80h
22:32 <+Michael_V> the new version for the 81 LCD copy
22:33 <+Michael_V> \ ld l,a
22:33 < incubus> I <3 everyone
22:33 <+Michael_V> that will take A=80h and make HL=E000
22:33 <+Michael_V> or if A=A0, HL=E180
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23:03 < Randomist> Boredom visited again:  http://ia311324.us.archive.org/1/items/WintervenomArtworkCollection/ScottGarrett-Mindrot.png
23:03 < Randomist> and http://ia311324.us.archive.org/1/items/WintervenomArtworkCollection/ScottGarrett-Linux.png
23:06 < BrandonW> I don't understand how a person can waste this much time.
23:09 < Spengo> why is the guy with the pointy penis spearing the tree-man
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23:11 <@_Auron_> that first pic is freakin' badass o.O
23:11 < Spengo> I don't know much about art, Randomist you should talk to my little bro, he's pretty awesome http://mistermuck.deviantart.com/
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23:15 <@_Auron_> holy fuck that's pro
23:15 <@_Auron_> but not the style I like
23:15  * _Auron_ likes Randomist's art style better
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23:35 < TD-Linux> nnoooooooooooo
23:35 < TD-Linux> last.fm down
23:35 <@_Auron_> so is peopleofwalmart.com
23:36 < TD-Linux> Randomist, arch linux lol
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23:54 < BrandonW> It annoys me so much when Michael responds every time with "well".
23:54 < BrandonW> It's so condescending.
23:54 < BrandonW> I think that's where my hatred of it comes from.
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