--- Log opened Sun Sep 06 00:00:44 2009
00:13 <@Andy_J> part b, etc
00:13 <@Andy_J> bsparks: not all that cheap
00:14 <@Andy_J> $25 for 2m
00:14 < bsparks> that's not terrible
00:14 <@Andy_J> $24 for 1.5m
00:14 <@Andy_J> or subtract .5m from those, I forget
00:15 < bsparks> I need it to go from my 360 to my monitor
00:16 < bsparks> at $25 it'd almost be worth it to get the 360 cable that has a VGA jack on it >_>
00:24 < bsparks> when does the new season of house start?
00:28 <@_Auron_> man FUCK DFW
00:28 < Randomist> Google knows all.
00:28 <@_Auron_> and the retarded forecasters
00:29 <@_Auron_> the entire metroplex has not received a drop of rain
00:29 <@_Auron_> yet the forecast for the whole weekend was supposed to be thunderstorms
00:29 <@_Auron_> goddamn
00:29 < Randomist> Long water hose, water sprinkler, ladder.
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00:30 <@_Auron_> = big water bill
00:30 < Randomist> Not if you don't use your own water.  :)
00:31 < prime_> hi
00:49 < bsparks> what's the best way to check if your monitor supports sync on green?
00:52 < Randomist> "$monitor_model" +"Sync on green"
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00:53 < incubus> hi
00:53 < bsparks> Randomist, tried thaat
00:56 < i_c-Y> what monitor is it?
00:56 < i_c-Y> if its a trinitron it might have it.
00:58 < i_c-Y> the other option is to just try using a sync on green signal to your monitor
00:59 < Merthsoft> i can't see green
00:59 < bsparks> it's an acer widescreen
00:59 < bsparks> but I was being stupid
00:59 < bsparks> and forgot that Component video is YPbPr not RBG
01:00 < bsparks> which means I'm back to needing http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360vgahdcable/
01:00 < i_c-Y> Merthsoft: what kind of color blind are you?
01:01 < i_c-Y> bsparks: there are cheaper clones 
01:01 < i_c-Y> does your xbox 360 have hdmi?
01:01 < bsparks> yeah
01:01 < i_c-Y> why not try hdmi -> dvi-d
01:01 < bsparks> but I'm using the DVI connection on my monitor <_<
01:01 < i_c-Y> oh
01:01 < i_c-Y> you could get a switcher or move the other thing to vga but :-/
01:01 < i_c-Y> i guess you need the vga cable then
01:02 < bsparks> I can't move my computer display to VGA, because
01:02 < bsparks> I'm using VGA too :D
01:02 < bsparks> dual monitors, one VGA, one DVI, and my Acer has a free VGA port 
01:02 < i_c-Y> get a kvm / switcher?
01:02 < bsparks> and can swap between the two on the fly
01:02 < incubus> BrandonW, you there
01:03 < bsparks> I think it's actually cheaper to get that cable than to get a HDMI cable and DVI adapter, and something to get audio out
01:05 < bsparks> god damn moneypit of a console, worse than owning a mac
01:05 < bsparks> I blame the processor <_<
01:05 < i_c-Y> if it was the apple xbox 360 you wouldn't be saying this
01:06 < bsparks> yes I would
01:06 < i_c-Y> actually it would be called the ibox gen 2 or something.
01:06 < i_c-Y> and a new one would come out every 200 days
01:06 < incubus> it would be called the iBox
01:06 < i_c-Y> and they'd charge you for software updates
01:06 < incubus> and it would cost 1000
01:06 < incubus> and it would have 3 games that were overhyped to hell
01:07 < i_c-Y> they would all be first party too
01:07 < bsparks> apple never charges for software updates, aside from the crap with iPhone OS 3.0 for iPods, but that is bullshit too
01:07 < incubus> hah
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01:07 < i_c-Y> what about enabling 802.11n on 802.11n capable hardware?
01:07 < i_c-Y> they charged for that.
01:07  * bsparks shrugs
01:07 < incubus> O_O
01:08 < incubus> Barack Obama should come out with a gaming console.  There would be one in each city, and you'd have to stand in line to play.  But it would be free and fairer for everyone else.  He would also ban all other consoles
01:09 < i_c-Y> and its approval rating would be 50 % after a year
01:09 < incubus> 45%*
01:09 < bsparks> i_c-Y, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes-Oxley_Act
01:21 < bsparks> someone should go kick merthsoft in the shins
01:24 < jr19> hardee's french dip thickburger = win
01:25 < bsparks> Hardee's [ or Carl's Jr ] = win
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01:33 < incubus> bsparks, I've already stabbed him like 10 times
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01:34 < bsparks> in 30 mins, he'll be enjoying an awesome concert, fucker
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01:36 < kirsk> busdrivers must die
01:38 < Randomist> That was mor random than me.
01:38 < kirsk> more true
01:38 < kirsk> aswell
01:39 < kirsk> how are things in here?
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01:40 < kirsk> hi
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01:48 < tev> Yay, I finally got what appears to be a valid TI-81 ROM image--the checksum is valid, and its md5sum matches Ben's.
01:49 <@chronomex> awesome!
01:50 < tev> It mainly was a combination of luck and a lot of hacking with the stuff Ben posted on UTI, I think.
01:53 <@chronomex> aye
01:54 <@chronomex> does anyone know about an updated version of tios.h for the 89?  the copy I have is from like 2001, and I can't believe that TI hasn't released an updated version since then
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02:14  * bsparks is a whole new breed of pissed off
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02:17 < bsparks> I'm gonna kick merthsoft in the face next time I see him
02:17 < bsparks> now, AFTER THE CONCERT HAS STARTED he tells me they wern't checking IDs
02:39 <@chronomex> ha, awesome
02:40 < bsparks> he's not getting his phone charger back then
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02:40 < bsparks> this was his one chance
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02:51 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
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03:11 < _Auron|G1> hredvhtr
03:11 < _Auron|G1> dead chan is dead
03:35 <+JoeYoung> ?
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03:48 < incubus> what is this STMP work unit on RSA lattice? O_o
03:49 < Randomist> I wonder if I can find a desktop for a hundred dollars or less.
03:50 <+glk> I paid $300 for a Mac, quicksilver model  G4
03:50 < tr1p1ea> i thought you IRC's with an abacus glk?
03:50 < tr1p1ea> irc'd*
03:51 <+glk> My other computer is a Turing punch tape machine
03:51 < Randomist> It just needs to be fast enough to run a CUPS and SSH.
03:51 < Randomist> It can be used for BOINC or something when it is idle.
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03:52 < tr1p1ea> turing machine, nice :)
03:52 < Tari> yay, I'm using half of my monthly bandwidth allowance on flickr with this one set >.<
04:04 < Tari> Randomist, a sheevaplug?
04:05 < tev> incubus: It must be the date stamp public key.
04:05 < Tari> sounds like a good use to me
04:25 <+Netham45> !qadd <glk> My other computer is a Turing punch tape machine
04:25 <@efneTI86> Quote 1635 added
04:26 <+Netham45> !qfind glk
04:26 <@efneTI86> 1635:netham45: <glk> My other computer is a Turing punch tape machine
04:26 <@efneTI86> 944:DSP_Lord: <glk> I studied all night to pass my Turing test | <DSP_Lord> heh | <BrandonW> When did you do this? | <glk> Feb 30 |<DSP_Lord> that was a while ago | <BrandonW> I thought you were going to say something like 1947. | <DSP_Lord> XD
04:26 <@efneTI86> 1233:Sir_Lewk: <glk> I have faith it is. Prove it is not
04:26 <@efneTI86> (Plus 13 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=glk&channel=tcpa&search=search)
04:26 <+Netham45>  wtf @ glk's response in 944
04:26 <+Netham45> there's no Feb 30th...
04:30 < tev> Sounds like it was meant to be a joke to me
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04:30 <+Netham45> Yea, but how did it go unnoticed this long? :P
04:31 < tev> I interpreted "that was a while ago" as playing along with it
04:33 <@chronomex> you know
04:34 <@chronomex> it's possible that glk prepaid for 10 years of irc bot hosting and died last year
04:36 <+Netham45> possible.
04:36 < jr19> unpossible
04:38 < jr19> who is graham kendall
04:38 <+glk> I am a retired physicist and defender of the TI-89
04:39 < jr19> ah...that works
04:39 <+glk> http://grahamkendall.net/  much TI-89 in MATH
04:39 < jr19> i notice you enjoy oreos and mountain dew
04:40 < jr19> and possibly boomboxes
04:40 <@chronomex> old mountain dew
04:42 < jr19> no exif data on that photo
04:43 <+glk> They please me
04:45 < jr19> strange enough, i'm watching a show on the history channel called "Doomsday 2012"
04:46 < jr19> the world is going to go up in flames in a couple years
04:48 < tr1p1ea> glk: what do you remember from your time with the mayans and their calendar system?
04:48 <@_Auron_> man
04:49 <@_Auron_> this tilemapping technique gives me a headache just thinking about it
04:49 <@_Auron_> but it should be fast.
04:50 < BrandonW> incubus, I am now.
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04:58 < tr1p1ea> BrandonW: kevin oullete has a 1.1K TI-81
04:59 < tr1p1ea> ouellet* even
05:00 <@_Auron_> tr1p1ea: did I ever explain to you how I was doing my tilemapper in android?
05:05 < tr1p1ea> dont recall
05:06 < tr1p1ea> please explain
05:06 < bsparks> I need something epic to say, in 140 characters or less, by sometime mid next week >_>
05:07 <@_Auron_> tr1p1ea: Essentially keeping a buffer of the screen for the tilemap, but in openGL, so I'm not drawing 150 tiles every frame
05:07 <@_Auron_> but also coding in scrolling capability
05:07 <@_Auron_> .. that's the hard part
05:07 <@_Auron_> it's making my brain hurt
05:08 <@_Auron_> I have to keep track of U,V offsets for the quad, and also keep track of where I need to update to when I'm scrolling horizontally and vertically
05:10 < tr1p1ea> animated tiles?
05:10 <@_Auron_> ..
05:10 <@_Auron_> I just need a working tilemapper right now kthx >.o
05:15 < tr1p1ea> :>
05:21 < jr19> :D
05:24 < BrandonW> I think I'm going to go buy an 84+SE from Wal-Mart and attempt to permanently brick it, then return it.
05:26 <@_Auron_> haha
05:31 < BrandonW> We'll have the 010A key in 3.5 hours.
05:33 <@_Auron_> fun
05:33 < BrandonW> It looks like the 73 OS work units are done.
05:34 < BrandonW> We're all sieving the date stamp key now.
05:34 < BrandonW> That's the final key.
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05:34 < tev> My computer's still finishing up three more 73 work units
05:35 < BrandonW> Considering the time it takes for polynomial selection on a new key, our clients are going to start reporting there are no more work units.
05:35 < BrandonW> But don't close it.
05:35 < BrandonW> Because they do sieve a little more after the key is done.
05:35 < BrandonW> To add extra relations.
05:35 < BrandonW> To make sure the final phase doesn't fail.
05:35 < BrandonW> Or at least that's my limited understanding.
05:36 < BrandonW> So don't stop until one of us says it's safe.
05:36 <+Netham45> mine has 14 73os ones still.
05:36 <+Netham45> bah
05:37 <+Netham45> stupid thing wasn't running for some reason.
05:37 <+Netham45> k, 6 of those were 'aborted by project' when I synced.
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05:43 <+JoeYoung> oh shite
05:44 <+JoeYoung> you guys ever find out something you had held onto for a long time was suddenly worth a fortune?
05:44 < tr1p1ea> no
05:45 <+JoeYoung> I guess I got lucky for once :/
05:45 <+JoeYoung> It's a Pokemon keychain, actually SELLING on ebay for $800
05:46 <+JoeYoung> And I have one, it was on my keyring for 3 years.
05:46 <+JoeYoung> o_O
05:46 < BrandonW> Is it still worth that after being on your keyring for 3 years?
05:46 <+JoeYoung> I kinda hope so.
05:47 <+JoeYoung> But it might not be.
05:47 < BrandonW> Only kinda? What kind of shape is it in?
05:48 <+JoeYoung> After I cleaned and refurbished it, it looks just like new only the copyright letters on the back are a little worn.
05:48  * _Auron_ stares at his code
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05:49 <+JoeYoung> I'm actually kinda attached to it, I'm not sure I could easily sell it.
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05:51 <@_Auron_> I'm not entirely sure how to approach this.
05:53 < BrandonW> I know the feeling.
05:53 < BrandonW> I'm having the same issue with this certificate editor thing.
05:56 <@chronomex> hah, JoeYoung is a weeaboo
05:56  * chronomex ducks
05:56 <@_Auron_> orly
05:56 <@chronomex> I didn't get much done on USB today :(
05:57 < BrandonW> I thought today was TI-89 Titanium USB day!
05:57 <@chronomex> well I did work on it all day
05:57 <@chronomex> except when I was drinking and eating cookies
05:58 < BrandonW> But it was supposed to be a day of revolution, of celebration...
05:58 < BrandonW> Or accomplishment...
05:58 < BrandonW> It's hard to write good code drunk.
05:58 <@_Auron_> ^
05:59 <@_Auron_> this is what I have so far: http://pastebin.com/d11fb967d
06:00 < DSP_Lord> <BrandonW> It's hard to do anything good drunk.
06:00 < DSP_Lord> fixed.
06:00 <@_Auron_> except act stupid
06:00 < DSP_Lord> unless, of course, said thing actually involves drinking
06:00 < DSP_Lord> bowling, for example.
06:01 < DSP_Lord> one day, i swear, i will golf cart polo while drunk.
06:01 < DSP_Lord> and it will be awesome.
06:02 <@chronomex> BrandonW: I wasn't drunk until recently ...
06:02 <@chronomex> and not very drunk even
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06:06 <@_Auron_> Merthsoft: MY BRAIN HURTS
06:07 < tr1p1ea> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBzDnqyg-S4&feature=related <-- this game looks incredible
06:10 <@_Auron_> !
06:10 <@_Auron_> nice!!!
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06:35 <@chronomex> I think I may need a second 89Ti
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06:37 < Barrett> BYU! BYU!
06:37 < BrandonW> 010A is a couple of hours away, 0108 is in phase 3 (hopefully in progress on someone's PC), and the 73 OS key will be ready soon.
06:37 < BrandonW> And we're all sieving on the date stamp key, the final key.
06:46 < DSP_Lord> yay for BYU
06:46 < DSP_Lord> only because they beat Oklahoma <_<
06:49 <@_Auron_> omfg my brain hurts
06:54 < Barrett> BYU!
06:55 < Barrett> by the way, Provo had the sober-equivalent to LA riots (after lakers win championships)
06:55 < Barrett> it was awesome
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07:00 <+Netham45> BrandonW, my PC is still on 73os...
07:01 < BrandonW> It's normal.
07:01 < BrandonW> 010A in an hour.
07:01 <+Netham45> Okay.
07:02 <+Netham45> Is it doing duplicate work, or just finishing up what's left?
07:02 < BrandonW> I can't say because I don't know the status of the 73 OS key...once all the work units are wrapped up for a key, others might be distributed to make up for needed relations.
07:02 < BrandonW> It depends on what the tools tell us we need.
07:02 <+Netham45> Okay.
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07:38 < BrandonW> The BOINC people are being a little stupid about not factoring calculator public keys.
07:38 < BrandonW> Why be concerned about factoring those when we're factoring OS and application keys?
07:39 < BrandonW> Now I'm really determined to figure out how calculator public keys work.
07:48 <@chronomex> yeah, now there's no reason not to
07:51 < BrandonW> And honestly, what does it harm? It gives you the ability to sign certificate updates for only my calculator.
07:51 < BrandonW> It's harmless.
07:51 < BrandonW> And it's very doubtful it would help to understanding it.
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08:02 < BrandonW> Freakin' sweet...
08:02 < BrandonW> The certificate editor reads in certificate dumps, parses them, lets you expand/collapse subfields, and save it back out.
08:02 < BrandonW> http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6382/95011064.png
08:02 < BrandonW> Such a huge help to reading these dumps...
08:03 < _Digital> so how far along are you?
08:04 < BrandonW> On the editor or cracking the keys?
08:04 < _Digital> cracking keys
08:04 < BrandonW> 4 keys remain, we'll have 010A any minute. 0108 is in the final phase on somebody's PC.
08:04 < BrandonW> We're almost done sieving the 73 OS key (someone's already started final processing on it).
08:05 < BrandonW> And we're currently sieving the date stamp key (final key).
08:05 < BrandonW> So I think we're going to make it.
08:10 <@chronomex> awesome
08:10 <@chronomex> I never really doubted we'd make it
08:10 <@chronomex> but confirmation is always welcome :)
08:14 < BrandonW> So based on this layout, it would appear that two fields always get signatures after them: 0320 and 0300.
08:14 < BrandonW> Perhaps that should be simplified to 03x0.
08:19 <@_Auron_> http://pastebin.com/d7b80c429 <-- FML
08:20 < BrandonW> Java sucks.
08:20 <@chronomex> that it does
08:21 <@chronomex> one thing that sucks even harder than Java is Microsoft's Java almost-work-alike
08:21 < GW_Basic> didn't see it listed on boinc. am I looking in wrong spot?
08:21 <@_Auron_> I probably just need sleep
08:21 <@_Auron_> but this is driving me crazy.
08:38 < BrandonW> What are you looking for, GW_Basic?
08:49 < BrandonW> I'm looking for a stylish icon, something that says "collapse"
08:49 < BrandonW> When you look at it.
08:51 < DSP_Lord> the Enron symbol?
08:52 < GW_Basic> I used to do seti boinc, was seeing what they had to say about the ti-calc project
08:53 < BrandonW> I doubt they know or care yet.
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08:58 < GW_Basic> heheh yeah found it
08:58 < GW_Basic> very undescriptive
08:58 < BrandonW> Where?
08:59 < GW_Basic> think that's their intention, make it harder for non calc fans to find
08:59 < GW_Basic> http://boinc.unsads.com/rsals/
08:59 < BrandonW> That's in the topic.
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09:33 <@_Auron_> lemme think..
09:33 <@_Auron_> int texOffX = (32*(tileOffsetX%16)+offsetX+480)%512;
09:33 <@_Auron_> if tileOffset is 1, it'd be 32+0+480%512, which is 0
09:33 <@_Auron_> ...
09:33 <@_Auron_> I see
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09:36 < blanto> can anyone tell me why when i differentiate sin(x) with my ti-89 it shows pi*cos(x)/180 instead of just cos(x) like it used to before?
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09:37 < efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play Beatmania IIDX!
09:37 < GW_Basic> amateurish guess.  radians instead of degrees?
09:38 < blanto> ur right thanks a lot
09:38 < GW_Basic> don't even know what differentate is.
09:38 < blanto> lol
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10:02 < BrandonW> I'm in that burned out mode where I just keep staring at code and repeating the to-do list of the things to finish in my head instead of sleeping.
10:02 < BrandonW> I guess normal people sleep during that.
10:02 <@_Auron_> sounds like what I'm doing
10:02 <@_Auron_> although I've mostly fixed my work toward the tilemapper, just have an alignment issue now
10:03 < BrandonW> I actually managed to get the certificate editor functional, it loads certificate dumps and 8XQ files in all sorts of formats and saves them back out, and lets you traverse the tree and expand/collapse to reveal fields that may or may not make sense, to play around with it.
10:04 < BrandonW> I just need the ability to re-order the fields, and flesh out the opening/saving in different formats.
10:04 < BrandonW> It's a whole lot more complicated than you'd think.
10:05 < BrandonW> To be honest, I'm just trying to stay awake long enough to verify 010A when it's released.
10:07 < leofox> what is the stmp key?
10:08 < leofox> my BOINC is doing work on "stmp_numbers..."
10:08 < BrandonW> The date stamp key.
10:08 < leofox> ok
10:08 < BrandonW> It's the same across all models.
10:09 < leofox> is that one useful?
10:09 < BrandonW> We honestly don't know how useful it is because we've never been able to manipulate it.
10:09 < BrandonW> I think it may be useful with trial applications.
10:09 < BrandonW> I know it's used in certificate updates.
10:10 < BrandonW> There are huge chunks of the OS and boot code that deal with certificates that we haven't even bothered to look at until now.
10:10 < BrandonW> Unless you count USB, it's one of the last big mysteries.
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10:13 <@_Auron_> okay, I'm going to go to sleep now.
10:13 <@_Auron_> I certainly can't do much with my code now.
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12:56 <+krisk> hi
12:56 <+krisk> leofox
13:07 < i_c-Y> infected mushroom looks exactly like the turks from ff7
13:08 < i_c-Y> http://djmag.com/index.php?op=top100dj&top100dj_op=results&year=2008&search_op=display&top_100_id=1040&limit_num=150&page=1
13:40 <+krisk> they are also shit
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14:21 < stu_dent> !list
14:22 <+krisk> wat
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15:57 <+krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhSXw0jMbIE
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15:59 < jr19> oh stu
15:59 <+krisk> hiyo
16:00 < jr19> hey
16:00 <+krisk> i just found a gallery of pics of previous editions of the beach party coming weekend
16:01 <+krisk> it is epic hippieness
16:01 <+krisk> http://shut-up-and-dance.hyves.nl/photos/#hub_media_overview_redesign_1=12&__state__=11
16:01 <+krisk> http://shut-up-and-dance.hyves.nl/photos/#hub_media_overview_redesign_1=14&__state__=13
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16:04 < jr19> hmm it doesnt look like theres a lot of people there
16:04 < bsparks> Merthsoft, >_>
16:04 <+krisk> its the morning after jr19
16:04 < Merthsoft> <_<
16:05 < jr19> oh i understand lol
16:05 < jr19> that makes a little more sense then
16:05  * bsparks kicks Merthsoft in the shins
16:05 <+krisk> there are more pages with pics of during the party
16:05 <+krisk> it seems like theres a good crowd but not too crowded that you cant stand anywhere
16:06 < jr19> i'm looking at the other pages now
16:06 < jr19> yeah it looks like theres a decent amount of personal space
16:07 <+krisk> looks like im definately going there :o
16:08 < jr19> i wish they didnt have these shitty cell phone pictures mixed in there
16:08 <+krisk> myeah eh
16:08 <+krisk> its not a big commercial event so you wont expect pro photographers to be walking about there taking picsfor promos
16:08 < jr19> yeah
16:08 <+krisk> it gives an idea of what the party is like though
16:09 < jr19> yeah looks like it would be a good time for just about anyone
16:09 <+krisk> really?
16:10 < jr19> i dunno, just looks like lots of people having a good time
16:10 <+krisk> yeah
16:10 <+krisk> its supposed to be a pretty positive and accepting scene
16:10 <+krisk> i mean, them being hippies and all
16:11 <+krisk> so you would think most anyone would be willing to go there and have an amazing time on the beach
16:11 <+krisk> right?
16:11 < jr19> i dont know about anyone
16:11 < jr19> some people are pretty close-minded
16:11 <+krisk> yeah but just about anyone
16:11 <+krisk> like you said
16:11 <+krisk> right?
16:11 < jr19> yeah
16:11 < jr19> looks fun, i'd go
16:11 <+krisk> cool
16:12 <+krisk> shall i buy you a ticket? :P
16:12 < jr19> if you're willing to buy me a plane ticket too heh
16:13 <+krisk> yeah i was about tp type 1200€ + 15€
16:13 < jr19> haha
16:13 < jr19> i'm still looking at the pics
16:14 < jr19> i think it is interesting to see how people dress over there
16:14 <+krisk> ?
16:15 < jr19> styles are just different than in the US
16:15 <+krisk> yeah ok
16:15 < jr19> well not totally
16:15 < jr19> i was thinking "what would i wear if i went to something like this"
16:15 <+krisk> do keep in mind some are dressed that way because they are goapsyhippies :P
16:15 < jr19> so i wouldnt look like an out of place american
16:15 <+krisk> hey wear what you want man
16:15 <+krisk> anyone who gets you down over it shouldnt be at that party
16:16 < jr19> true
16:16 <+krisk> these pics give me hope that this is a party unlike the dark junkiefest i went to earlier this summer
16:18 < jr19> i guess you will find out when you get there
16:18 <+krisk> yeah
16:19 <+krisk> ill pick up some chillclothes to wear to it at the open market in amsterdam
16:22 < jr19> is it next weekend
16:22 <+krisk> sep 12th
16:22 <+krisk> saturday night
16:23 < jr19> did you do anything last night
16:23 <+krisk> yeah my best girl friend's birthday party
16:23 < jr19> also, off topic, but my place of employment opens up their own 24/7 fitness center on tuesday
16:24 < jr19> with free weights, machines, treadmills, elipticals, etc
16:24 < jr19> i'm hoping its not fail, but we'll see
16:25 <+krisk> ah cool
16:25 <+krisk> just hope theres a power/squat rack
16:25 < jr19> i think there is
16:27 < jr19> heh that beach thing looks fun
16:28 < jr19> there are a couple of "beaches" around here along the river
16:28 < jr19> nothing real good though
16:28 <+krisk> there are small beaches here everywhere with water
16:29 < jr19> only people that go there are people who take their boats out on the river and get drunk
16:29 <+krisk> eh
16:29 <+krisk> kinda like that i suppose
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16:29 < jr19> lots of whorish girls around, it's kinda meh
16:29 <+krisk> wish i knew more nice people who werent such fail
16:29 <+krisk> it seems like the normal thing to do
16:29 < jr19> some girl has been talking to me but i've heard poor things about her from trusted sources, and i'm not really all that attracted to her anyway
16:30 <+krisk> usefull sources
16:30 <+krisk> i tend to find out after 6 months of liking the girl :p
16:30 <+krisk> theyre just dumb i guess
16:30 < jr19> well one is my friend's wife, and she was in the same classes with her and hung out with her quite a bit in college
16:31 <+krisk> nice
16:31 <+krisk> i mean the lame people, theyre just dumb
16:31 <+krisk> i guess
16:31 <+krisk> http://grotevrienden1.hyves.nl/photos/413371748/0/D6DT/
16:31 <+krisk> lol
16:32 <+krisk> this sweatertypething looks pretty cool http://94.100.114.29/587350001-587400000/587362101-587362200/587362124_5_I378.jpeg
16:36 < Tari> ooh, neat
16:36 < jr19> wtf
16:37 < jr19> yeah
16:38 < bsparks> does your 360 lie down, or stand up?
16:38 <+krisk> float
16:41 <+krisk> http://shut-up-and-dance.nl/beachfreak/beachfreak/album/slides/DSC_0248.html
16:41 <+krisk> :o
16:41 <+krisk> cute
16:43 < jr19> would have to see more angles
16:43 <+krisk> maybe
16:47 < jr19> heh
16:51 <+krisk> I think Ill make lots of pictures at that party
16:51 <+krisk> so I have something to show my best friendsi n order to convince them to go to similar parties
16:51 < jr19> you'll make it into a lot of pictures?
16:51 < jr19> or you're take lots of pictures?
16:52 <+krisk> take lots of pics sorry
16:52 <+krisk> hopefully not be in many myself
16:52 <+krisk> :P
16:52 < Merthsoft> bsparks: right now mine stands, but i've had it lying down before
16:53 < bsparks> Merthsoft, notice any noise differences? or is the 360 just loud in general lol
16:53 < Merthsoft> the CD tray is loud, that's why i copy everything over
16:53 < jr19> i've never seen a krisk picture
16:53 < jr19> supposedly they don't exist
16:53 <+krisk> there are no krisk pictures
16:53 < jr19> ha
16:53 < bsparks> Merthsoft, the CD drive you mean? Yeah, I need a HDD :(
16:54 < Merthsoft> no the tray itself is loud
16:54 < bsparks> ...
16:54 < Merthsoft> always talking
16:54 < Merthsoft> pisses me off
16:54 < bsparks> ...
16:54 <+krisk> better than Infected Mushroom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCqPwgBLW04       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysZ2Kq3yCbc
16:57 <@Nikky>  whores
16:57 < bsparks> Nikky, cocksucker
16:57 <+krisk> hiyo
16:57 <@Nikky> asswiper
16:57 < bsparks> btw, nice photos on facebook
16:57 <@Nikky> spanks
17:02 < Merthsoft> h Nikky 
17:02 <@Nikky> so what's up with everyone?
17:02 < Merthsoft> hi
17:02 < bsparks> not much, gonna kick Merthsoft in the solar plexus 
17:02 < bsparks> :)
17:03 < Merthsoft> try it bitch
17:03 <@Nikky> kk
17:03 <@Nikky> brb trying
17:03 < Merthsoft> MORTAL KOMBAT
17:04 < bsparks> did you at least get anything cool from the concert?
17:04 < Merthsoft> i got a pin, an armadillo tattoo, and a set list with a penis drawn on it
17:04 <@Nikky> go kill yourself
17:05 < bsparks> sounds like a fun time
17:05 < Merthsoft> they finished their set, and everyone really wanted them to do "Just a friend" so once they left we started singing it, so the piano guy came out and started playing, and then the other guys slowly trickled out
17:05 < Merthsoft> we made them play a song, it was great
17:06 < bsparks> andrew <_< "piano guy"
17:06 < Merthsoft> piano guy
17:06 < Merthsoft> it's his setlist that i have
17:06 < bsparks> so, did they do any other covers?
17:09 < Merthsoft> yeah
17:09 < bsparks> damn you :(
17:09 < Merthsoft> they did "Happy Together" and a song from willy wonka in the encore
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17:13 <@Nikky> COCO JAMBO
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18:17 < efneTI92> [LordMathi] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
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18:21 <@E-J> Nikky: so you have now had overdose of eurotrash?
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18:38 <+krisk> ohhh mannnnn
18:39 <+krisk> theres a bunch of really cool appartments for sale
18:41 <+krisk> 416 euro / month mortgage
18:41 <+krisk> very doable, and the appartments are really cool (hippiefriends live in the same block, really nice places)
18:42 <+krisk> but i dont think ill succeed in actually getting it ~_~
18:44 < leofox> you're going to buy a house?
18:44 < leofox> why not rent
18:44 <+krisk> how on earth could i possibly rent a house?
18:44 <+krisk> i'd really like to know
18:44 < leofox> ?
18:48 <+krisk> im not on the waitinglist you know
18:49 <+krisk> i could rent a home in the nonwaitinglist sillyness but thatll be 800-1000 euro / month for the shittiest place you could possibly imagine and they require you to earn 4 times the monthly rent
18:49 <+krisk> nobody @ 22 is making 4k a month
18:50 <+krisk> yeah i could rent a 2x2m room like a retarded student and share the living room/kitchen/etc with other retarded students who mess everything up for the same price as those appartments
18:52 <+krisk> theres probably some stupid rule thatll keep me from even applying for these appartments but i have hope and im going to try
18:54 <+krisk> if you could tell me of a way to rent an appartment at 4-500/month i would like to know it
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19:39 <+krisk> hey does anyone here have experience with donating blood or plasma>
19:39 <+krisk> =
19:39 <+krisk> ?
19:40 < BrandonW> I tried once, but I was so nervous and my blood pressure was so high that they wouldn't let me.
19:40 < BrandonW> I may be a coward, but you can't say I didn't try.
19:40 <@chronomex> hah
19:40 <@chronomex> I can't donate blood because I'm gay
19:41 <@chronomex> congress says that all gay men have AIDS
19:41 < BrandonW> You're not gay.
19:41 <@chronomex> I've had sex with men.
19:41 < BrandonW> But you're not gay.
19:41 <@chronomex> that's true
19:41 <@chronomex> I like women too
19:41 <@chronomex> but according to Congress I am.
19:42 <@chronomex> well
19:42 <@chronomex> gay enough.
19:42 < BrandonW> Are you trolling or are you actually bisexual?
19:42 <@chronomex> actually am, sir
19:42 < BrandonW> I did not know this.
19:42 <@chronomex> Many people don't
19:43 <@chronomex> I usually don't talk about my sexuality unless it's apropos
19:43 <@chronomex> and I mostly talk about USB and calculators here
19:43 <@chronomex> speaking of
19:44 < BrandonW> Speaking of...I stayed up really late for the 010A key and the guy went to bed.
19:44 <@chronomex> it's raining out, and I"m waiting for the Internet Man to come
19:44 <@chronomex> so I guess more USB time :D
19:44 < BrandonW> The factors are probably burning in a screen on a console somewhere.
19:44 <@chronomex> heheh
19:44 <@chronomex> we can only hope
19:45 < BrandonW> How is the USB progress?
19:45 <@chronomex> I just opened IDA
19:45 <@chronomex> it's actually pretty slow
19:45 <@chronomex> I'm not nearly as ninja as I wish I were
19:45 <@chronomex> (aren't we all ...)
19:46 < BrandonW> I've never opened such a huge file before in it.
19:46 < BrandonW> I think.
19:46 < BrandonW> "Huge" compared to 83+ pages.
19:46 <@chronomex> yeah, 4M is pretty big
19:46 <@_Auron_> o.O
19:46 <@chronomex> but it works well
19:46 <@_Auron_> facebook gave me a news feed from last week
19:47 <@chronomex> I just have to say "entry points is here, and here, and here, ..."
19:47 <@chronomex> and it does most of the rest
19:47 <@chronomex> oh, also I defined IO ranges and gave them names
19:47 <@chronomex> helps
19:47 < BrandonW> Yeah, it takes me about 20-30 minutes per page to tell it where everything is.
19:47 <@chronomex> aye
19:47 < BrandonW> Then I start the long and arduous task of giving things names.
19:48 < BrandonW> And interpreting what's there.
19:48 <@chronomex> I haven't even gotten to that stage yet mostly
19:48 <@chronomex> still saying "code, data, code, code, data, pointer"
19:48 < BrandonW> I imagine that takes a really really long time for that file.
19:48 <@chronomex> it's a cool feeling to look at hex and say "code"
19:48 <@chronomex> yeah
19:48 <@chronomex> well
19:48 <@chronomex> the AMS is only about 700kbytes
19:50 <@chronomex> we have a list of entry points, but it's from 2001
19:50 <@chronomex> so none of the USB stuff (or even the clock stuff) is named
19:50 < BrandonW> You can imagine why I'd want to document all that stuff now.
19:50 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/toDoIO.txt is all that's left.
19:51 <@chronomex> hm
19:51 <+krisk> <@chronomex> I can't donate blood because I'm gay
19:51 <+krisk> haha
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19:51 < incubus> LEWL pics of ducks
19:51 < BrandonW> You know, this certificate editor is so generic that it could actually be used to open up any Flash-based PC file.
19:51 < Tyler2> Hmm, who is running this boinc project?
19:51 < BrandonW> Meaning all 68k applications and OSes.
19:52 < BrandonW> Maybe even z80 applications and OSes.
19:52 < BrandonW> squalyl is.
19:52 < BrandonW> And Lionel Debroux is helping a lot.
19:52 < incubus> BrandonW, what are the SMTP workloads?
19:52 < BrandonW> The date stamp key.
19:52 < incubus> STMP**
19:52 < BrandonW> That's the final key.
19:52 < incubus> aah
19:52 < incubus> how many are in stage 3 processing?
19:52 < BrandonW> One is probably sitting on a guy's PC for whenever he wakes up, another is probably close to being done with phase 3, the 73 OS key is more or less done sieving and about to start phase 3...
19:53 < Tyler2> Well, I can offer my Celeron M520 and Q9550, and when I get my router a T5550, Intel Dual Core E4500, and X2 6400+
19:53 < BrandonW> And we're still sieving the date stamp key.
19:54 < BrandonW> So 2 or 3, incubus.
19:54 < incubus> mmm
19:54 < BrandonW> Tyler2, a little late in the game. :) We're sieving the final key right now (of 14).
19:54 < BrandonW> But by all means...
19:54 < BrandonW> The project is going to expand and continue to factor paid Flash application keys after this.
19:54 < BrandonW> So I'm sure they could use the help.
19:55 < incubus> I got in before the second key was done :D
19:55 < BrandonW> There's no point at all to factoring the paid Flash application keys, but they need something to do.
19:55 < incubus> BrandonW, is there really a point to doing that when we can just
19:55 < incubus> lol nm you beat me to it
19:55 < BrandonW> Part of the reason why I'm writing the certificate editor, it can easily be used to strip out paid Flash application public keys from certificate dumps of people who have bought applications.
19:55 < BrandonW> And I just so happen to have such dumps.
19:55 < incubus> :D
19:56 < incubus> you are well connected
19:56 <@chronomex> for some reason the TI compiler seems to put padding before nearly EVERY jump target consisting of $9, $30
19:56 <@chronomex> it's weird
19:56 <@chronomex> although it's sometimes something else
19:56 <@chronomex> I can't help wonder if it means something
19:57 < BrandonW> Yeah, IDA Pro chokes on BCALLs in the OS, since it's really "rst 28h \ DW address"
19:57 <@chronomex> hm
19:57 < BrandonW> I manually convert them whenever I see them.
19:57 <@chronomex> maybe that's something like what I'm seeing
19:57 <@chronomex> well no
19:57 <@chronomex> it's not an ALINE
19:57 < BrandonW> incubus, I'm really impressed with this certificate editor, it lets you muck around with fields and try to interpret them as container fields.
19:57 <@chronomex> nor a FLINE
19:57 < BrandonW> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5170/62976370.jpg
19:58 <@chronomex> looks neat
19:58 < BrandonW> It's helping quite a bit with understanding the dumps.
19:58 < BrandonW> It lets you easily make changes to any of the data or fields and save it back out.
19:58 < BrandonW> The logic for that is insane.
19:59 < BrandonW> But it appears to actually work.
19:59 <@chronomex> heh
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20:04 < BrandonW> I think I will expand it to read any application or OS upgrade.
20:05 < BrandonW> This is turning out to be a lot more useful than I thought.
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20:08 < BrandonW> If I refactor it (ugh), it might even be usable with Nspire files.
20:09 <@chronomex> that would be excellent
20:10 < BrandonW> The odds of me doing that are pretty low, but yeah.
20:11 < incubus> lol
20:18 < BrandonW> Actually that screenshots shows some of the paid Flash application public keys.
20:18 < BrandonW> You can see the key overrides for 0104 and 04 (overriding with the same thing...TI didn't really think that one through...)
20:19 < BrandonW> 8204, 5204, 3204, 2204, etc...
20:19 < Tar1> hmm, I should do some laundry..
20:19 < BrandonW> It's a good thing you're around, did you see the editor?
20:20 < Tar1> yeah, I saw the screenshot
20:20 < BrandonW> I was going to have it automagically figure out which fields are containers for other fields, but it gets confused easily and I don't want to hard-code logic for specific fields.
20:20 < BrandonW> So now the user can do it.
20:21 < BrandonW> It's so much more flexible that way, because yeah, I'm wrong on some stuff.
20:21 < BrandonW> The 68k files have fields 810Fh sometimes.
20:21 < BrandonW> Instead of 800Fh.
20:22 < BrandonW> And stuff like that.
20:22 < BrandonW> One of the 89 Flash applications has a really odd field in it, too.
20:22 < BrandonW> In the app header, it has 00 01 FF right before the 80 7F field.
20:23 < BrandonW> I mean, it's valid, a single field with FF in it, but who knows what it is.
20:23 < BrandonW> It's not in other apps.
20:25 < BrandonW> I did learn all 03x0 fields have signatures immediately after them.
20:25 < BrandonW> And there's logic in the OS and boot code which makes that assumption.
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20:30 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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20:37 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/brick.zip The permanent 83+/84+ series bricker.
20:38 < BrandonW> Not even I ran this.
20:38 < BrandonW> I highly suggest that you never, ever do
20:38 < BrandonW> But it's interesting.
20:39 < Tar1> what does it do?
20:39 < Tar1> (I don't care enough to download and disassemble it)
20:39 <+JoeYoung> The permanent 83+/84+ series bricker.
20:39 < BrandonW> The source is included.
20:39 < Tar1> er, that is, 'How does it do it?'
20:39 < Tar1> oh
20:39  * Tar1 grabs
20:40 < BrandonW> It's a slight modification to Free83P which reverses the endianness of the long field sizes.
20:40 < BrandonW> It also marks the unused certificate sector as valid.
20:40 < BrandonW> The first causes the boot code to crash whenever it attempts to parse the certificate (which it must do to invalidate the existing OS, which it must do in order to start an OS transfer).
20:41 < BrandonW> The second prevents the boot code buffer overflow exploit from working (or rather, it prevents the Flash unlock exploit from working, which is required to unbrick it).
20:42 < BrandonW> Theoretically it's still possible to unbrick IF you can trigger a Flash unlock exploit from remotely-transferred code using nothing but the boot code.
20:42 < BrandonW> Which...I've not been able to do so far.
20:42 < BrandonW> So to the best of my knowledge, it's permanent.
20:45 < BrandonW> So that just goes to show, do NOT screw around in the certificate if you don't know what you're doing.
20:45 < BrandonW> If you cause the boot code to crash parsing it, you are DONE.
20:55 <+krisk> with how much you people know of these things you should be making money with them
20:56 <@chronomex> money sucks
20:56 <+krisk> crackwhores suck
20:56 <@chronomex> yeah
21:02 < bsparks> if you could get an HDDVD player and like, 30 HDDVDs for less than $60, would you?
21:03 <+krisk> yes
21:03 < BrandonW> That highly depends on the HDDVDs.
21:03 <+krisk> no
21:03 < BrandonW> And once you're bored with it, you could always rip the laser out.
21:03 <+krisk> sell them for a price between that and the regular price
21:03 < bsparks> BrandonW, a few of them are Planet Earth from the Discovery Channel
21:03 <+krisk> ???
21:03 <+krisk> profit
21:03 < BrandonW> Lasers are always > profit.
21:04 < Tar1> ye, I might be interested depending on the discs
21:04 < Tar1> expecially if one of them was Serenity
21:04 < Tar1> *especially
21:04 < bsparks> idk if one of them is
21:04 < bsparks> local vg store is selling the HDDVD player for the 360 for $60 with 30 HDDVDs
21:08 < BrandonW> dheapmon tells me I'm using 97% of my desktop heap.
21:09 < BrandonW> I haven't restarted in 81 days.
21:09 < BrandonW> On XP Pro.
21:13 <+krisk> heap?
21:14 < BrandonW> Windows resources.
21:14 <+krisk> ?
21:17 < BrandonW> http://blogs.msdn.com/ntdebugging/archive/2007/01/04/desktop-heap-overview.aspx
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21:29  * Netham45 suggests that BrandonW reboot, or at least, log off then back on.
21:30 < BrandonW> :(
21:32 <+Netham45> lol
21:32 <+Netham45>  Uptime  1 days 11:59:29 
21:32 <+Netham45> \o/
21:35 <@chronomex> ...
21:36 < BrandonW> I'll restart when we get all the keys.
21:36 <@chronomex> you sound defiant
21:37 < BrandonW> I don't like to restart.
21:37 < BrandonW> I don't like taking the time to set everything back up.
21:38 < BrandonW> But I've gone so long that I can't keep that many windows open anymore.
21:38 < BrandonW> I have to sacrifice them.
21:38 < BrandonW> Or things stop rendering.
21:43 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW, i think sometimes a computer NEEDS a time out.
21:43 < BrandonW> Nonsense.
21:43 < BrandonW> This thing's been running strong for years.
21:44 <+JoeYoung> :/
21:44 < tev> Don't tell that to all the computers running as severs and such
21:45 <+JoeYoung> *power goes out*
21:45 < BrandonW> I have WOL enabled on all my PCs.
21:45 < BrandonW> I've considered turning on the automatic thingy in DD-WRT.
21:45 < BrandonW> To make sure they're on every morning.
21:46  * krisk thanks BrandonW for the nice weather this summer
21:47 < BrandonW> I don't understand.
21:47 < BrandonW> Wait, I think I do.
21:48  * incubus stabs BrandonW
21:48 < BrandonW> :(
21:51 < incubus> stmp :D
21:51 < TheStorm> My desktop doesn't seem to like WOL, but my server supports it, not that I every need to use it
21:52 < incubus> I love everyone in here
21:58 <+krisk> PLUR back at ya
21:59 <@chronomex> fuck comcast
21:59 <@chronomex> they cancelled the service call
22:00 <@chronomex> said we didn't answer the phone
22:00 <@chronomex> phone didn't ring
22:00 < BrandonW> Yeah.
22:00 < BrandonW> I hate the cable company, the postal service...
22:00 < BrandonW> Just about everyone who pulls that crap.
22:00 <@chronomex> yeah
22:01 <@chronomex> maybe I'll order landline service today
22:01 < BrandonW> Mail delivery is what pisses me off the omst.
22:01 < BrandonW> most.*
22:01 <@chronomex> why?
22:01 < BrandonW> Everyone should have the ability to go to the web site and say "I don't care about my package, don't require a signature, just leave it"
22:02 < BrandonW> I hate waiting extra days just because I wasn't home to say "give me my package."
22:02 <@chronomex> heh
22:02 <@chronomex> yeah
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22:05 <@chronomex> and to think people ask me why I hate comcast
22:05 <+krisk> BrandonW+1
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22:13 <+krisk> BrandonW+1
22:13 <+krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6ezpJc0SaA
22:13 <+krisk> hah
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22:20 <@chronomex> usb is complicated D:
22:20 < BrandonW> :)
22:20 < BrandonW> Welcome to the insanity.
22:21 <@chronomex> heh
22:21 <@chronomex> any ideas what port 8E and 8F do?
22:21 < BrandonW> Yes, those are important.
22:22 < BrandonW> 8E is used to set the endpoint that all the other ports are currently affecting.
22:22 <@chronomex> 8E seems to do with sending and 8F with receiving
22:22 <@chronomex> okay
22:22 <@chronomex> excellent
22:22 < BrandonW> So if you want to do something with the control pipe, you output zero to 8E and then do crap with the other ports.
22:22 <@chronomex> I'll call that usb_endpoint_chooser
22:22 < BrandonW> This is assuming it's the same, of course. I don't think 8F is related
22:22 <@chronomex> okay
22:23 <@chronomex> if it's not the same, welll .... dunno.
22:23 < BrandonW> If you see outputs to 8E and then other crap, it's probably the sam.
22:23 < BrandonW> same.*
22:23 < BrandonW> The OS is littered with code like that.
22:23 < BrandonW> usb8x as well, if you have that source.
22:23 <@chronomex> I don't have usb8x
22:23 < BrandonW> There's an SVN repository at SourceForge.
22:23 <@chronomex> I don't really want to bend my mind into reading z80 and 68k on the same day.
22:24 <@chronomex> I'm not that supple
22:24 < BrandonW> I'm not really sure on port 8F, but I'm pretty sure it has to do with determining host or peripheral mode.
22:25 <@chronomex> whap happens when you read from 8E? is it just latching the previous input?
22:25 <@chronomex> aye
22:25 < BrandonW> Yes.
22:25 <@chronomex> okay
22:26 < BrandonW> Do you see a lot of reads/writes involving 0A0H?
22:26 < BrandonW> Or A0.
22:26 <@chronomex> I'm not that far in yet
22:26 < BrandonW> That's the control pipe data port, it's used a lot.
22:26 < BrandonW> Especially when reading/returning descriptors and stuff.
22:27 < BrandonW> Basic USB stuff.
22:27 <@chronomex> that's referenced 17 times in 3.10
22:27 <@chronomex> ($7100A0 is)
22:27 <@chronomex> thanks
22:27 < BrandonW> A1 and A2 are probably used a bit, too.
22:27 < BrandonW> For direct USB.
22:28 <@chronomex> I don't see them having been referenced at all
22:28 <@chronomex> oddly
22:28 < BrandonW> They might be referenced indirectly.
22:28 < BrandonW> In a way that IDA Pro can't sense.
22:28 <@chronomex> maybe it treats it as $A0 + (endpoint) or something
22:28 < BrandonW> In z80 there's a "out (c),b" instruction and the OS will sometimes set C to 0A0h and then add an endpointn number (like 1 or 2) to it.
22:28 < BrandonW> Yeah.
22:29 <@chronomex> endpoints[pipe] mayhaps
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22:29 < BrandonW> That's where actual data is sent/received over the wire, so if you lose your mind digging into it, that's probably a place to start backtracking.
22:29 < BrandonW> To find where stuff happens.
22:30 <@chronomex> cool cool
22:30 <@chronomex> at least it doesn't appear that this chip does DMA
22:30 <@chronomex> speaking of losing your mind ..
22:31 < BrandonW> http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=83Plus:Software:usb8x/Asm_Interface The low-level entry points on this page are the core functionality you probably want, because from those you can build any sort of host driver or do calc<->calc communication.
22:32 <@chronomex> not touching any z80 today
22:32 <@chronomex> I don't know the first thing about it
22:32 <@chronomex> and it'd just confuse me
22:32 < BrandonW> There's no code, I just mean from an API standpoint.
22:32 <@chronomex> okay
22:32 < BrandonW> Sending/receiving control packets and whatnot.
22:32 < BrandonW> Setting up incoming/outgoing pipes.
22:33 < BrandonW> Sending data on endpoints and requesting data.
22:33 <@chronomex> ah, okay
22:33 <@chronomex> so I bet most of those also exist in some form in the 68k TI drivers
22:33 <@chronomex> already have SendData and RecvData mapped out, thanks to kkofler
22:34 <@chronomex> he may be psycho but he's certainly a decent reverse engineer
22:34 < BrandonW> Pipes get set up by switching to it via port 8E and then using other ports (in the 9x range I think) to set the endpoint type, direction, all that stuff.
22:34 <@chronomex> switching to it <-- to what?
22:34 < BrandonW> By telling the controller you're going to be messing with that endpoint now.
22:34 <@chronomex> ah, right
22:35 < BrandonW> The token-level portions of the USB spec would be good to read, too.
22:35 <@chronomex> right
22:35 < BrandonW> RecvData is probably ridiculously simple, sending a receive token on the specified pipe.
22:35 < BrandonW> That's what it is on the z80 side.
22:35 <@chronomex> ohhhh no
22:35 <@chronomex> recvdata is I think a receive-variable thing
22:36 < Spengo> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/09/05/sorry-no-barbed-wire-it-might-injure-vandals-115875-21649287/
22:36 < Spengo> lol britain
22:36 <@chronomex> it's at least three calls removed from actual hardware
22:36 < Spengo> barbed wire, now banned
22:36 < Spengo> because OH NOES it might injure vandals :U
22:36 < BrandonW> 010A cracked! Working on verifyign now.
22:36 < BrandonW> verifying*
22:37 <+krisk> well vandals are people too you know
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22:45 <@chronomex> it's writing $1 into 8Fh ...
22:46 < BrandonW> The OS writes 1 and 3 there.
22:46 < BrandonW> We have no idea why.
22:46 < BrandonW> During initialization.
22:46 <@chronomex> yeah
22:46 <@chronomex> odd
22:46 <@chronomex> okay
22:46 < BrandonW> Well, actually...
22:46 < BrandonW> The usb8x source itself probably has more details.
22:46 <@chronomex> yes, I'm pretty sure it's the same Verilog or silicon or something
22:46 < BrandonW> I can be your bridge to it if you want.
22:46 < BrandonW> I'll just have to pull it up.
22:47 <@chronomex> I may be taking the wrong approach
22:47 <@chronomex> I should take more notes than I am
22:47 < BrandonW> Dan had a notebook.
22:49 <@chronomex> that's a clever idea
22:49 <@chronomex> I think I have some nearly-blank ones
22:50 < BrandonW> The OS has a "Host bit set" string in it that's never referenced.
22:50 < BrandonW> I think bit 1 of port 8F might be that bit.
22:51 <@chronomex> mm
22:51 < BrandonW> Host initialization pretty much amounts to a ton of port outputs and then waiting on another port's value to change.
22:51 < BrandonW> I think that's one of those ports that it waits on.
22:54 < BrandonW> 010A is confirmed cracked.
22:54 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/keys.zip has all the latest keys.
22:54 < BrandonW> And http://brandonw.net/keys.txt is the to-do list.
22:54 < BrandonW> 3 keys remain: 0108, 02, and the date stamp key, in that order.
22:54 < BrandonW> 0108 and 02 are in phase 3 as of right now.
22:55 < BrandonW> We're all still sieving the date stamp key.
22:55 <@_Auron_> sieve is your favorite word now isn't it?
22:55 < BrandonW> Yes.
22:55 <@_Auron_> I've only heard the word like once or twice before yesterday
22:55 <@_Auron_> since yesterday I've read you say it at least a dozen times now
22:56 <@chronomex> now I have a notebook.
22:57 < BrandonW> I've said it a whole lot more than that before yesterday.
22:58 <@_Auron_> I never paid attention before yesterday
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22:58 < efneTI92> [JonimusP] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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23:07 <+JoeYoung> hey
23:07 <+JoeYoung> does TI distribute roms on their site?
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23:09 < tev> They post OS updates for the later models
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23:12 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
23:17  * incubus stabs the channel
23:29 <@chronomex> BrandonW: AND-masking 054h with $F1 ... these bits aren't addressed in the documentation I've seen
23:29 <@chronomex> it's clearing 00001110, of course
23:29 <@chronomex> and what I have only says that 00000001 controls power
23:31 <@chronomex> er, my bad
23:31 <@chronomex> wrong port
23:36 <@_Auron_> what
23:36 <@_Auron_> the
23:36 <@_Auron_> fuck
23:36 <@_Auron_> http://pastebin.com/d603c3ca1
23:37  * _Auron_ 's mind explodes
23:42 <+JoeYoung> tev: but they don't have roms, correct?
23:43 <@chronomex> correct.
23:43 <+JoeYoung> see, that's what i figured.
23:43 <+JoeYoung> but this dude is adamant that they do.
23:43 <+JoeYoung> on the youtube comments regarding wabbitemu DS
23:44 <@chronomex> well
23:44 <@chronomex> he's wrong
23:44 <+JoeYoung> so I told him links or it never happened
23:44 <@chronomex> but it's youtube so you can ignore it
23:45 <+JoeYoung> i guess
23:45 < Merthsoft> why do we need roms, why isn't the OS itself sufficient for emulation?
23:46 <@chronomex> the rom is just the code portion of the OS
23:46 <@chronomex> it's sort of pretty much the same thing
23:46 <+JoeYoung> that's what i thought, but I think wabbit requires a rom
23:47 <+JoeYoung> i'm not sure, though.
23:47 <+JoeYoung> :/
23:47 <+JoeYoung> if OS's work just fine then what is the point of the rom?
23:48 < Merthsoft> that's what i just asked
23:49 <+JoeYoung> what chronomex said doesn't mean anything to me because apparently i'm ignorant
23:50 < Merthsoft> what chronomex said doesn't mean much of anything
23:50 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW
23:51 <+JoeYoung> he would know
23:52 <@Andy_J> Merthsoft: you need the boot code, which is obviously not in the os updates
23:52 < Merthsoft> ah, ok
23:53 <+JoeYoung> i see.
23:53 <+JoeYoung> thanks, andy j
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