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00:24 < BrandonW> Barrett, does the roommate have acne?
00:24 < Barrett> no
00:24 < BrandonW> Perhaps it's a facial treatment.
00:24 < BrandonW> I've heard of unusual things like that.
00:28  * _Auron|G1 is depressed
00:29 < BrandonW> Why?
00:29 < _Auron|G1> I feel useless
00:29 < BrandonW> Why's that?
00:30 < _Auron|G1> I have no job and I feel like a burden to my sister. I don't feel like I contribute anything to the world right now
00:31 < DrDnar> Don't you have spare CPU cycles?
00:31 < BrandonW> You don't have a job because you haven't looked, or no one's hiring?
00:31 < _Auron|G1> I live in a college town full of thousands of people my age
00:31 < _Auron|G1> I applied to 4 places today
00:32 < _Auron|G1> have applied to others recently
00:34 < _Auron|G1> And apparently I lack the ability to create a good resume, or fix a toilet properly, or know what's wrong with the a/c upstairs, or how to do an oil change
00:34 < _Auron|G1> OR ANYTHING FUCKING USEFUL
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00:34 < bsparks> <_<
00:34 < bsparks> wikihow would help that man
00:34 < bsparks> a lot
00:35 < BrandonW> I've been surrounded by people all day doing that.
00:35 < BrandonW> Getting angry and storming out.
00:35 < BrandonW> Is it a full moon or something?
00:35 < BrandonW> Wait, actually, I think it is.
00:36 < bsparks> god damnit BrandonW! I don't need your attitude! 
00:36 < bsparks> *storms in*
00:49  * chronomex cruises on in
00:50 < millinao> cool as a cat
00:52 <@chronomex> mmmhmmmmmm
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00:57 < BrandonW> I'm pretty sure we ARE done sieving the 92+ freeware app key.
00:57 < BrandonW> Which is EXCELLENT news.
00:57 < BrandonW> It means all that's left is the linear algebra phase, which someone must be working on since the FB and INI files were created for it.
00:58 < BrandonW> They've likely downloaded all the relations.
00:58 < BrandonW> Which means the project could be shut down and we still have what we need to sign apps and OSes for every model.
00:59 < DrDnar> So, how do the date stamps work?
01:00 < BrandonW> When the 92+ freeware app key's factors are posted, I will squeal like a little girl.
01:01 < BrandonW> I've worked since then, I'll have to re-examine the disassembly. But I believe that whatever date stamp you have in the certificate, any apps with a date different (different how, I don't know yet) get deleted.
01:01 < BrandonW> with a different date*
01:02 < BrandonW> The date stamp you have "in the certificate" comes along with the license to run it.
01:02 < BrandonW> "license" meaning the public key it was signed with.
01:02 < BrandonW> I'll have to poke around some more, and in the defragment code that removes trial apps.
01:05 < Randomist> There are trial apps?
01:05 < BrandonW> Yes, two forms of them.
01:05 < BrandonW> # of executions and a date.
01:05 < BrandonW> After you execute it X number of times, it gets deleted.
01:05 < BrandonW> It's easy, it's just a field in the app header.
01:05 < BrandonW> You specify the number of executions.
01:05 < Randomist> Is it encrypted?
01:05 < BrandonW> No, we've always been able to do it.
01:06 < BrandonW> And strip it out, since the 0104 key was given to us.
01:06 < BrandonW> So all this IS effectively useless, which is why things like Zoom Math have their own custom implementation.
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01:08 < Merthsoft> my mouse is being weird and choppy
01:08 < Merthsoft> i think i shall restart and see if that helps
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01:20 < bsparks> Merthsoft, QUESTIONS 
01:20 < Merthsoft> bsparks: ANSWERS
01:20 < bsparks> What time is the concert, is it students only?
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01:22 < Merthsoft> 10om
01:22 < Merthsoft> pm
01:23 < bsparks> ok
01:23 < Merthsoft> seems unlikely that they'll check if you're a student, i will inquire more about it
01:24 < bsparks> ok
01:24 < bsparks> I can pay a fee if it is students only <_<
01:24 < bsparks> or just pester all of tally hall
01:24 < bsparks> or poke HITS
01:24 < Merthsoft> we'll get you in, no worries
01:25 < bsparks> awesomesauce
01:25 < bsparks> now I just have to find a ride out there and back
01:25 < bsparks> if I was still with my ex, it'd be easy +/
01:36 < Merthsoft> ok i think i broke my mouse some how
01:37 < bsparks> probably
01:38 < Merthsoft> it works, but it's very choppy
01:39 < BrandonW> Barrett, you really need to implement some sort of filtering system for the news articles on calcg.org.
01:39 < BrandonW> If you guys don't start making your own posts instead of relying on other sites', it's going to look like you can't take calcg.org seriously.
01:39 < Barrett> I can filter them
01:39 < BrandonW> You're already on your way there with all the ads.
01:39 < Barrett> a lot of websites have ads
01:40 <@chronomex> not a lot of calc websites though
01:40 < BrandonW> If the majority of your content is not something you wrote or did, people will skim over it like it's nothing.
01:40 < BrandonW> And since there's nothing else, there's nothing else to see.
01:41 < Merthsoft> WHY MOUSE WHY?!
01:41 < Barrett> BrandonW, I'm working on a home page redesign
01:41 < Barrett> where news will be less important
01:41 < Barrett> and the file archives more important
01:43 < sir_lewk> aaaaaaah
01:43 < Merthsoft> i fixed it by slamming it against the desk
01:43 < sir_lewk> did my physics 3 and digital logic design finals today
01:44 < sir_lewk> sooo glad thos are over with
01:45 < incubus> gratzs
01:45 < incubus> gratz
01:47 < Tari> I pulled on the bottom of my bed earlier and a speaker fell on my head :(
01:48  * sir_lewk preforms his ceremonial post-finals "clearing of the bookmarks" :)
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02:15 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
02:15 < i_c-Y> brilliant!
02:16 < i_c-Y> @ topic of course.
02:16 < i_c-Y> not at any of you.
02:16 < i_c-Y> of course.
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02:16 < i_c-Y> why cant you guys let calc.org die?
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02:52 < BrandonW> The people on United TI keep saying the 0A key is bad.
02:53 < BrandonW> I have signed an OS with it and put it on my calculator. It works.
02:53 < BrandonW> I'm about to attach the freaking thing to prove it.
02:53 < TheStorm> lol
02:53 < TheStorm> they are clearly doing it wrong :P
02:53 < BrandonW> I'm putting it on another calculator with a blank certificate to be absolutely 100% sure first.
02:53 < BrandonW> They're using packxxu and RabbitSign, which I've never used to sign an OS before.
02:54 < BrandonW> They claim it works with the 05 key, so who knows.
02:54 < Merthsoft> picturesofducks.org now has content
02:54 < BrandonW> Right.
02:54 < BrandonW> You didn't use my raincoat ducky? :(
02:54 < Merthsoft> not yet
02:54 < Merthsoft> i'm saving it
02:55 < sir_lewk> I want to see a duck in a raincoat!
02:55 < sir_lewk> hmm, is the flash important?
02:56 < TheStorm> At work we have a 10ft Inflatable Rubber Duck B-)
02:56 < Merthsoft> it's a video of ducks
02:56 < Merthsoft> TheStorm: Take a picture and send it to me!!!!
02:56 < BrandonW> Merthsoft, post the duck picture again.
02:56 < BrandonW> With the raincoat.
02:56 < TheStorm> I will next time we have a sale.
02:56 < TheStorm> free advertisement :P
02:57 < Merthsoft> http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2372/ducku.jpg
02:57 < TheStorm> awesome
02:57 < BrandonW> How can you not love it?
02:58 < TheStorm> I agree, that is the cutest duck I have ever seen
02:58 < Merthsoft> <3
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02:59 < Merthsoft> banner contest
02:59 < Merthsoft> draw a banner
02:59 <+JoeYoung> YO!
02:59 < sir_lewk> D:
02:59 < Merthsoft> if you win i'll give you 5 bucks
02:59 <+JoeYoung> paypal?
02:59 < sir_lewk> that is such a cute duck
02:59 < Merthsoft> sure
03:00 <+JoeYoung> cool
03:00 <+JoeYoung> banner of what?
03:00 < Merthsoft> banner for picturesofducks.org
03:00 <+JoeYoung> oh sweet
03:01 <+JoeYoung> I used to own some ducks.
03:01 <+JoeYoung> When I lived in Galveston County
03:01 <+JoeYoung> from chick to ergrown, we eventually released them at a lake where wild ducks liked to gath
03:01 <+JoeYoung> er
03:01 <+JoeYoung> from chick to ergrown, we eventually released them at a lake where wild ducks liked to gather
03:02 <+JoeYoung> i hate it when i tap the touch screen whle i'm typing
03:02 < Merthsoft> well
03:03 < Merthsoft> make some banners
03:03 < Merthsoft> with ducks
03:03 < Merthsoft> (prefreably that you drew or pictures you took)
03:04 <+JoeYoung> hmm, well
03:04 <+JoeYoung> I don't think I'll gt many pictures of ducks in houston
03:04 <+JoeYoung> but i could draw one
03:05 < Merthsoft> !t Welcome to #TCPA | Design a banner for www.picturesofducks.org. Win 5 dollars!
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03:05 < bsparks> o.0
03:05 <+JoeYoung> haha
03:06 <+JoeYoung> any rules? what should the dimensions of the banner be, etc?
03:06 < Merthsoft> knock yourself out
03:07 <+JoeYoung> can we submit more than one?
03:07 < Merthsoft> sure
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03:11 <+sir_lewk> !t Welcome to #TCPA | Design a banner for www.picturesofducks.org. Win 5 dollars! | Help factor some keys!  http://boinc.unsads.com/rsals/
03:11 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to #TCPA | Design a banner for www.picturesofducks.org. Win 5 dollars! | Help factor some keys!  http://boinc.unsads.com/rsals/
03:11 <+JoeYoung> i thought we pretty much got them all
03:12 <+sir_lewk> well there is still some minor stuff to do
03:13 <+sir_lewk> gotta go for the knockout :)
03:13 <+JoeYoung> I'll help in a few min
03:13 <+JoeYoung> but i gotta do some stuff, and it likes to overheat my laptop
03:14 <+sir_lewk> it's kept mine at a nice toasty 80C :)
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03:22 < TheStorm> Merth can I dcc my first entry to you or do I have to upload it somewhere?
03:22 < Spengo> hm
03:22 < Spengo> to drink a beer
03:22 < Merthsoft> mcfall_s@denison.edu
03:22 < Spengo> or not to drink a beer
03:22 < Spengo> that is the question
03:24 < Spengo> hm
03:24 < Spengo> I kind of want a snake
03:25 < Spengo> my friend's housemate has one
03:25 < Spengo> I was playing with her snake
03:25 < Spengo> he was kinda cute in a snake-ish sort of way
03:26 < Merthsoft> she was playing with my snake
03:27 <+JoeYoung> hey Merthsoft
03:27 < Merthsoft> hi
03:27 <+JoeYoung> I finished my stupid-ass first submission :)
03:27 < Merthsoft> ok
03:27 < Merthsoft> email it to me
03:28 < Tari> hmm, if I take a picture of a pancake that looks like a snowman, add wings and a beak, does that count?
03:28 < Merthsoft> you can send it to me
03:29 < Merthsoft> and i can say
03:29 < Tari> hehe, maybe in the morning
03:29  * Tari --> bed
03:29 <+JoeYoung> When Tari has pancakes to take a picture of >_>
03:29 < Tari> nah, the timestamp on that image is something like 23:30 last night
03:30 < Tari> chew on THAT concept :)
03:31 < TheStorm> Merthsoft, before I bother fixing my image do you even like it?
03:31 < Merthsoft> it's cute
03:31 < TheStorm> Ok thats what I figured, simple cute and to the point
03:32 < Merthsoft> no need to fix it yet if it's an issue
03:32 < Merthsoft> erm
03:32 < TheStorm> so what would the sites slongan be?
03:32 < Merthsoft> if it's tought
03:32 <@E-J> morning
03:32 < TheStorm> I still have it open
03:32 < TheStorm> In Gimp that is
03:32 < Merthsoft> i dunno what the slogan will be
03:32 < Merthsoft> i like "ducks, ducks, and more ducks"
03:32 < TheStorm> ok cool
03:33 < TheStorm> With or without caps?
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03:33 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
03:33 < Merthsoft> probably with
03:34 <+JoeYoung> FFF
03:35 <+JoeYoung> check out our Fantastic, Flightless, waterFowl
03:35 < Merthsoft> ducks fly
03:35 < Merthsoft> instant disqualification
03:35 < TheStorm> lol
03:35 < TheStorm> Merthsoft, ok sent
03:35 < Merthsoft> cool
03:35 <+JoeYoung> oh shite
03:36 <+JoeYoung> disqualified? :(
03:36 < Merthsoft> loser
03:36 < TheStorm> We need a name for BrandonW's duck, I vote it becomes the site mascott
03:36 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: waht's your ducks name?
03:37 < TheStorm> If we could get a pic with it waving that would be even cuter for a banner
03:39 < DrDnar> Holy crap, I suddenly get how Unit Ops works. It screws with how TIOS works with complex numbers.
03:40 < TheStorm> DrDnar, really, thats awesome
03:42 < TheStorm> I wonder if the same could be done to give the 83+ series vector functions
03:43 < DrDnar> The units get attached to the number because you multiply them onto the number, turning it into a complex number.
03:43 < TheStorm> and then it uses the homescreen hook to display the correct unit?
03:44 < DrDnar> Well, it also has to parse the expression itself to some degree. Otherwise the units would get screwed up.
03:44 < TheStorm> ahh ok
03:44 < DrDnar> But yes, the homescreen hook looks up the unit type based on the complex part of the number.
03:45 < DrDnar> After all, what happens if you square a complex? You might lose the unit.
03:46 < DrDnar> At least, this is a working theory.
03:47 < BrandonW> It sounds ingenious.
03:47 < BrandonW> I always meant to look into lists and attached formulas.
03:47 < BrandonW> I don't really understand how they work.
03:48 < DrDnar> It's a great idea as long as you're not engineering anything.
03:50 < DrDnar> It looks like he actually parses the expression himself.
03:52 < DrDnar> There are seven SI base units and seven bytes in the mantissa of a TIOS float. Must have looked really good on paper.
03:53 < DrDnar> Oh god, Unit Ops. :) Shall I just say, "yes, it's full of bugs", and move on? I knew very little about how the BASIC parser worked; the fact that Units works at all is something of a miracle.
03:54 < DrDnar> It'd be far easier to implement Unit Ops with an RPN-like interface.
03:55 < i_c-Y> since when did BrandonW get a duck?
03:55 < DrDnar> Makes it easier since the user handles parsing.
03:57 <+JoeYoung> I sprained myself today :(
03:58 <+JoeYoung> Now my school has banned soap shoes.
03:58 <+JoeYoung> I feel sad.
04:00 < BrandonW> I've had the duck for years.
04:02 < TheStorm> BrandonW, but wahts it's name?
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04:04 < BrandonW> He doesn't have a name.
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04:05 < i_c-Y> call him dux
04:05 < i_c-Y> or duck.
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04:08 < BrandonW> Dux is perfect.
04:10 < i_c-Y> :)
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04:10 < efneTI92> [Jonimus_] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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04:11 < aksnowman> erm, that was for a different chan, and supposed to be a /part, hahaha
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04:14 <+JoeYoung> ?
04:17 < BrandonW> aksnowman, did you say you had a kid?
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04:18 < aksnowman> BrandonW: yes
04:18 < aksnowman> just about 8 months
04:18 < aksnowman> jasonerush.com
04:19 < BrandonW> Very late congratulations.
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04:20 < i_c-Y> are you wishing you aborted the lil fucker yet?
04:20 < i_c-Y> if not, i guess he isn't doing his job.
04:20 < BrandonW> !k i_c-Y
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04:21 < BrandonW> Punish me if you will for doing that, but that was really insensitive.
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04:21 < j-b-r> Is someone drunk or something?
04:21 < i_c-Y> what?
04:21 < i_c-Y> im just asking, do you regret having a kid? in a slightly different wording.
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04:22 < i_c-Y> i mean aksnowman is ~ 20 and lives in alaska
04:23 < BrandonW> Because no Alaskan should reproduce.
04:24 < aksnowman> i_c-Y: lol
04:24 < aksnowman> 8 mo old isn't too late for an abortion, is it?
04:24 < aksnowman> haha
04:24 < aksnowman> he's starting to crawl...
04:24 < aksnowman> leave him alone for 15 seconds and he's into something
04:24 < i_c-Y> well, i think they call it "murder" then, but its the same thing
04:24 < aksnowman> BrandonW: and yes, it was somewhat insensitive, forunately I have a very easygoing sense of humor, just my opinion
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04:29 < i_c-Y> also, aksnowman , why is the site jasonerush when its about isaac edward rush?
04:32 < aksnowman> lol
04:32 < aksnowman> 'cause eventually I'll have pics && stuff of me and the g/f and some of my stuff up there
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04:32 < aksnowman> the pics of my kid were just the first thing I've gotten around to
04:32 < efneTI92> [Jonimus_] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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05:36 < MacFleckn> anyone here
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05:48 < BrandonW> Another poor soul with no understanding of the idleness of IRC.
05:50 <+Netham45> anyone know why disabling IPv6 on a network card would cause it to randomly drop out?
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06:08 < BrandonW> Why are you on the ticalc.org team, Netham?
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06:34 < tev> Okay, the TI-81 ROM has a *really* weird way of terminating string/tokens. And it doesn't even use ASCII for text; it apparently uses some weird wacked-out character table.
06:35 < BrandonW> Did the ROM file itself finally get posted somewhere?
06:35 < tev> I've been trying for the last few days to get my own with the stuff posted on that UTI thread. I have a file, but I have no idea if all the bytes are correct.
06:36 < BrandonW> I believe there's a checksum somewhere in the ROM, isn't there?
06:36 < BrandonW> According to Randy's documentation.
06:36 < BrandonW> Maybe that can tell you.
06:37 < tev> Yeah, I just need to find a way to calculate it.
06:37 < BrandonW> If it pans out, can you upload it somewhere (or just send it to me directly)?
06:38 < tev> Might be possible, if it's done privately
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06:39 < tev> The OCR utility he wrote is really hard to get good results from. I went through about four videos and a lot of source code hacking to make it more tolerant of varying results for each position
06:39 < tev> Otherwise I would have had to enter thousands of bytes by hand
06:39 < tev> So for all I know, there could be several wrong bytes in the file.
06:43 < BrandonW> That's why whoever manages to get a dump should share it.
06:43 < BrandonW> I would ask Ben, but I don't think we can count on him doing anything even remotely illegal ever again.
06:44 < BrandonW> Which ROM sharing technically counts.
06:45 < tev> It looks like not all lowercase letters are used on the 81; there seems to be some skips in the character table.
06:46 < BrandonW> TI's always used a bastardized version of ASCII, but you're saying not even the basic letters/numbers match?
06:46 < tev> Nope, it looks totally different here. Even the uppercase letters.
06:46 < tev> This reminds me of the time where I mapped out the entire character set of the on-screen display of my VCR by making the tape counter overflow by rewinding/fast-forwarding a tape a huge number of times :-)
06:46 < tev> That was crazy, but quite fascinating.
06:47 < tev> It didn't use standard ASCII, either.
06:47 < tev> I'm surprised I didn't kill it by doing that.
06:47 < BrandonW> I wouldn't have imagined that's even possible.
06:47 < BrandonW> That is fascinating.
06:48 < tev> It's because it's old and the motor often gets really slow and makes the tape counter stall somehow.
06:48 < tev> So I was able to make the tape counter keep slipping further and further back on each iteration.
06:48 < tev> It reset the counter or eject, so the only way to do that is leaving the same tape in.
06:49 < tev> I have a table of all the characters somewhere
06:49 < BrandonW> Are you disassembling/mapping out the ROM or just tinkering?
06:49 < tev> 128 real characters plus 128 "characters" of pixel garbage
06:49 < tev> I'm just tinkering for now.
06:49 < BrandonW> I have no idea how much z80 knowledge you have.
06:49 < tev> I have a small amount of Z80 knowledge but virtually no experience.
06:49 < BrandonW> Have you messed with the 73 OS any?
06:50 < tev> I don't have a 73
06:50 < BrandonW> I cannot remember who it was that discovered the built-in assembly on the 73.
06:50 < BrandonW> It was somebody who came in here and mentioned it, I'd never heard of him.
06:50 < BrandonW> I thought for a second it was you.
06:50 < BrandonW> He placed no importance whatsoever on it.
06:51 < tev> No, I only dabbled in Z80 for a very short period many years ago, but got more interested in TIGCC on the 68k calcs, so didn't stick with it.
06:51 < BrandonW> It makes me wonder whether that guy was actually from TI.
06:52 < BrandonW> You have to wonder how much they actually intervene.
06:52 < BrandonW> We know they've put programs in the ticalc.org archives.
06:54 < BrandonW> Anyhow, all TI keys are out of phase 1. Yay!
06:54 < BrandonW> Which means they're all being sieved by the BOINC project.
06:54 < tev> Mine will be starting the "v2fa" tasks in a couple of hours.
06:55 < BrandonW> Yeah, that's 0108, it was added because we were running out of stuff to sieve.
06:55 < BrandonW> The polynomial found for it wasn't that good.
06:55 < BrandonW> So we'll be on that one for a while.
06:56 < BrandonW> Sieving is done on 0101, so we're just waiting for someone to magically post/e-mail it to someone/somewhere.
06:56 < BrandonW> (0101 is the last important key)
06:59 < BrandonW> The 84+/SE freeware app key ("84fa") is almost done.
06:59 < BrandonW> Almost done sieving, that is.
07:01 < tev> Come to think of it, even FloppusMaximus's 81 ROM dumping ASM source even shows that the 81 uses a non-standard character table. I can't believe I didn't think of checking that.
07:02 < tev> Well, I'm saving the rest of this for tomorrow. I should have gone to bed a long time ago.
07:04 < tev> It seems like they were really trying to save ROM space by omitting unused lowercase letters and by terminating strings by setting the most significant bit on the last character rather than using a separate terminator byte.
07:08 < tr1p1ea> every byte counts :)
07:09 < tev> Yeah, I bet that was especially true back when the 81 was introduced.
07:09 < BrandonW> It's certainly understandable, they managed to fit the entire thing into two pages.
07:09 < tev> Yeah, seems kind of impressive for it to only be 32K.
07:09 < tr1p1ea> O_O
07:09 < tr1p1ea> the rom is only 2 pages?
07:09 < tr1p1ea> nice
07:09 < tr1p1ea> err, os i mean
07:09 < BrandonW> There's no paging...it's literally from 0000h to 0FFFFh.
07:09 < tr1p1ea> wow
07:09 < tev> Then again, it has very few features compared to the current models.
07:10 < tev> It's fascinating comparing the differences and similarities to all the TI models.
07:11 < tev> *between all the
07:11 < tr1p1ea> particularly the differences between the same 'models'
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07:12 < tr1p1ea> it appears my batteries are charged
07:12 < tr1p1ea> time to fire up the ol 1.8k :)
07:13 < BrandonW> It doesn't take much to implement the OS core and the system context.
07:14 < BrandonW> Which is what I'm trying to accomplish with OS2.
07:14 < BrandonW> We can get to that point fairly quickly.
07:14 < BrandonW> It's after that where it gets interesting.
07:14 < BrandonW> Which is what the community should be focusing on.
07:14 < BrandonW> system monitor.*
07:17 < tr1p1ea> is OS2 going to be TIOS compatible?
07:29 < BrandonW> Meaning will it run all current programs and Flash applications?
07:30 < BrandonW> If so, yes.
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07:42 < tr1p1ea> coo
07:42 < tr1p1ea> cool*
07:47 < tr1p1ea> hehe Titan Suit :)
07:47 < tr1p1ea> always glad to see an ASM game, even if its only a text/pic adventure
08:10 <@chronomex> who's around?
08:11 <@chronomex> I think it's time for a bit more hackery
08:11 <@chronomex> even though it's like 1am
08:11 <@chronomex> and I really shouldn't stay up any longer ...
08:12 < tr1p1ea> agreed
08:12 < tr1p1ea> sleep is good times
08:12 <@chronomex> ah, fuck it
08:12 <@chronomex> I'm not tired
08:36 <@chronomex> okay here's a gem
08:36 <@chronomex> the TI-89 boot code has strings for errors that never happen
08:36 <@chronomex> like
08:36 <@chronomex> it's impossible for this string to get printed
08:37 < tr1p1ea> impossible?
08:38 <@chronomex> I'll explain a bit more
08:38 < tr1p1ea> or just impossible for the error to occur?
08:38 <@chronomex> the default trap handler for the 89 is to print the error on the top of the screen with a black line around it
08:38 <@chronomex> like === TRAP 1 ===  or  === SPURIOUS INTERRUPT ===
08:38 <@chronomex> now
08:39 <@chronomex> trap 1 in the boot code goes somewhere non-default
08:39 <@chronomex> but the string "TRAP 1" is still there
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10:06 < efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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11:33 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
11:51 <@Andy_J> those may just be leftover from the development process
11:52 <@Andy_J> we all know TI can't optimize code >_>
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12:04 < efneTI92> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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12:07 < efneTI92> [LordMathi] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
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12:17 < efneTI92> [DSP_Lord] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
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12:37 < bsparks> students only is balls
12:46 < incubus> balls
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12:54 <@Andy_J> pylons?
12:55 < bsparks> No >_>
12:55 <@Andy_J> trap card!
12:55 < bsparks> Tally Hall concert is students only, and now I'm debating on even going if Merthsoft can't get me in
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13:12 < efneTI92> [LordMathi] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
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13:33 <+krisk> hi
13:33 <+krisk> all
13:33 <+krisk> yay
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13:41 < jr19> yay?
13:41 < jr19> did your computer stuff come
13:41 <+krisk> yeah
13:41 < jr19> cool
13:41 <+krisk> its nice
13:41 <+krisk> just gotta wait for my mainboard to arrive to
13:41 <+krisk> i had to order that in the NL store because the belgium one had it sold out
13:42 <+krisk> ill probably get it saturday or monday
13:47 <+krisk> hmm i seem to have forgotten to order a front/rear case fan
13:47 <+krisk> oh well cant play with it now anyway
13:52 <+krisk> lol: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/404c001b_cheatertje.jpg
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13:56 <@Andy_J> http://www.amazon.com/Battlestar-Galactica-Edward-James-Olmos/dp/B0026RHR6K/ref=ed_oe_dvd
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14:03 < nicolas__> ola
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14:04 <+krisk> yo
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14:05 <@Nikky> bitch
14:05 <@Nikky> hi boscop 
14:05 < nicolas> Nikky, hello my little pumpkin
14:06 <@Nikky> Hello cupcake
14:06 <@E-J> southeritaliand
14:06 <@Nikky> Well, if my last namne was based on my actual father
14:06 <@Nikky> er
14:06 <@Nikky> grandfather
14:06 <@Nikky> it would be Raspone
14:06 < nicolas> lol
14:07 <@Nikky> http://www.flickr.com/photos/allynfolksjr/3883705551/
14:07 <@E-J> Nikky: it's not same, on germany it's big mäc
14:08 <@Nikky> SHUT THE HELL UP YOU NAYSAYER
14:08 <@Nikky> :(
14:08 <@E-J> :P
14:08 < nicolas> I don't know if it's only roman slang or generally throughout Italy .. but "raspone" is rather ... dirty
14:09 <@Nikky> SHUT THE HELL UP YOU NAYSAYER
14:10 < nicolas> E-J, why would the germans pronounce it big "mec"
14:10 < nicolas> ?
14:11 <@Andy_J> ewww mcdonald's
14:12 <+krisk> a girl :o
14:12 <@Nikky> Better than chipotle
14:12 <@Nikky> What shit
14:12 < boscop> ohai
14:12 <@Nikky> goddamn
14:12 <@Andy_J> at least it isn't horribly greasy
14:12 < nicolas> Andy_J, when you're in Rome, you don't have much choice ... there is like ... 1 burger king in rome, 1 burger king in a mall outside rome ... and the rest are mcdonalds
14:12 <@Nikky> yeah, it just tastes like dead rats
14:12 <+krisk> hey arent AM3 CPUs backwards compatible with AM2 sockets? or was that just AM2+? 
14:12 < boscop> I can has cheezburger?
14:13 < nicolas> of course, in rome, you're better off looking for local food like "pizza a taglio" anyway :p
14:15 < nicolas> or in the terrible heat I guess there must be at the moment... some gelato or grattachecca (aka granita)
14:15 <@Nikky> It's slightly cooler now
14:15 <@Nikky> quote unquote
14:16 <@E-J> nicolas: dunno, so i saw it there, apparently it's not anymore like that, but at 2005 they still sold big mäc:s, my german is in so poor condition so i don't know how they would say it
14:17 <+krisk> größes mac
14:17 <@E-J> if they would sold them here with finnished names 'big mac' would be 'iso mäk' :)
14:18 < nicolas> I prefer the "Big Mic" ;-)
14:18 <@E-J> nicolas: no kebab kiosks in rome? :o
14:18 < nicolas> very few of them
14:18 < nicolas> I know of about 3
14:18 < nicolas> wait, not even, one of them closed
14:18 <@E-J> no wonder i haven't ever been there :)
14:19 < nicolas> there's a decent one on via Laurentina .. and one around Arco di Travertino
14:19 < nicolas> the Arco di Travertino place is acutally where everyone goes after the go out (providing you have a car)
14:19 < nicolas> there's a couple of shops next to each other
14:20 <@E-J> Nikky should go there, iirc there isn't much döner kebab available in usa
14:20 < nicolas> oooh, there is one place by Termini... I went there recently it was pretty good
14:21 < nicolas> from Termini, going down Via Cavour, on the left
14:21 < nicolas> and a little further down, to the right, there's a little piazza with a pub called the Druid's Rock .. .which is cool :)
14:23 <@Nikky> JUST SHUT UP
14:23 < nicolas> no!
14:23 < nicolas> say, Nikky, are you going to be staying only in Rome, or trek around the Castelli Romani as well ?
14:24 <@Nikky> Um, we're centered in Rome
14:24 <@Nikky> But we're going to other places, but I'm not sure if we specifically have aon of the Castelli Romani plannd
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15:14 < BrandonW> chronomex, Andy_J, yes, it's not at all surprising there's junk code like that in the AMS.
15:14 < BrandonW> The 84+/SE OS is littered with it.
15:15 < BrandonW> Strings like "Clocks set"...
15:15 < BrandonW> And "Host bit set"...
15:15 < BrandonW> Whatever the hell that means.
15:15 < BrandonW> And "VBus enumeration" if memory serves...
15:16 < BrandonW> And let's not forget the unused USB printing code in OS 0.46.
15:16 < BrandonW> The PCL to generate this: http://brandonw.net/calculators/print/
15:18 < BrandonW> I talked to one of their developers who said they had some sort of little custom printer to be used in the classroom with 84+/SEs.
15:18 < BrandonW> I'm not sure how far it actually went.
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15:18 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
15:20 <@Nikky> HI BRANDONW
15:20 < BrandonW> HI NIKKY
15:20 < BrandonW> Still have the rage?
15:20 < BrandonW> The unprovoked anger that people seem to develop when they go to Europe for a while.
15:21 <+krisk> wat
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15:21 < BrandonW> It might just be Nikky, it's hard to tell.
15:21 < BrandonW> It is Nikky after all.
15:24 < BrandonW> picturesofducks.org doesn't need a banner, it needs Dux with "ENTER" underneath, all a link to the main page.
15:24 < BrandonW> Which is nothing but a very long page of links and images.
15:24 <@Nikky> Shut up
15:24 < BrandonW> In that 1997-esque design.
15:24 < BrandonW> SHUT UP NIKKY
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15:33 < efneTI92> [DSP_Lord] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
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15:55 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
15:58 < Randomist> There is nothing at the domain:  picturesofducks.org
15:59 < BrandonW> Somebody broke it.
16:22 < DrDnar> I wonder what happens if I try to program the flash chip in word mode. I guess I'll just end up writing part of the address to flash.
16:24 < BrandonW> I think I'm going to take Merthsoft's 84+SE and attempt to desolder the Flash chip.
16:24 < BrandonW> To place in a programmer, to overwrite the boot code.
16:24 < BrandonW> I have no idea where to find or how to build such a programmer, but baby steps.
16:25 < BrandonW> If I'm actually successful, I'll apply it to a working 84+/SE.
16:25 < DrDnar> The hacking would be complete.
16:26 < BrandonW> This is assuming it's a separate Flash chip, which it may not be, I can't remember.
16:26 < BrandonW> I know they integrated some stuff on the 84+/SE.
16:26 < DrDnar> Still should be.
16:26 < BrandonW> The second calculator I'd try it on would be a 73.
16:27 < BrandonW> Then I'd apply Chameleon to it.
16:27 < BrandonW> Actually I wouldn't need to, because I could just overwrite the 73's boot code with the 83+ one.
16:27 < BrandonW> Effectively an 83+ with a custom boot code and no RAM execution restrictions.
16:27 < DrDnar> If you could---Exactly.
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16:29 < DrDnar> Then you could swap cases.
16:30 < DrDnar> With the 73OS key key you can just patch and sign 1.19 for the 73.
16:33 < Randomist> How's the legal stuff working out?
16:37 < DrDnar> So if we put a different date on our apps than the one TI supplies, they wouldn't be accecpted?
16:44 < TD-Linux> Randomist: legal stuff is fine, TI is just bluffing
16:45 < DrDnar> Haha, doesn't seem remarkably like a certain other TI product: 
16:45 < DrDnar> http://www.datamath.org/Personal/Avigo10.htm
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17:06 < efneTI92> [LordMathi] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
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17:12 < DrDnar> Hey BrandonW, you have an exploit for the Nspire 84 that lets you write to flash, right?
17:13 < DrDnar> What if you overwrite the code at 0000h with a jump to someplace else, write an nop to FFFFh, and then jump to FFFFh. Does the emulator process the wrap around?
17:16 < DrDnar> If it doesn't, maybe you could get the Nspire to run code from outside the emulated address space. I know, it's a long shot.
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18:03 < jr19> E-J seems to be a kebab junkie
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18:18 <+krisk> and he should be
18:18 <+krisk> kebab is most delicious
18:20 <@E-J> indeed
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18:28 <+krisk> you know what would be a good idea
18:28 <+krisk> if online banking gave you folders/categories for your money
18:29 <+krisk> like how saving and pay accounts are seperate but for things like food, gas, going out money, repairs, emergencies, vacation savings, etc
18:35 < jr19> you could just create a budget in Excel or something
18:35 <+krisk> hahaha manual effort
18:35 <+krisk> i have an idea for an application that could automate organising it though
18:38 <+krisk> select fields/html elements on webpages with the app (it records and saves how you get to the element) and it will retrieve the field's value/a chosen property and turn the result into an xml feed every <set interval here>
18:38 <+krisk> then you can use whatever app that can read the xml file to display the organised information - like desktop panel tools
18:39 <+krisk> have a desktop panel with life feed of your banking events for example, fully categorised and whatever (give conditions to fields so if a withdrawal field contians the name of your supermarket it puts it in the food expensezs category)
18:39 < jr19> heh
18:40 < jr19> ok you create it and we'll use it
18:40 < jr19> to automate our lives
18:40 <+krisk> nice
18:46 <+krisk> oh i can open another payment account and i get to use a picture for the pin card
18:46 <+krisk> i'm going to use tcc-tan pic haha
18:46 < leofox> hahah the 420chan one
18:47 < leofox> with the bong and the hat
18:48 <+krisk> http://www.imageno.com/image.php?id=byvhh5p5ih1o&kk=1029504247
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18:49 <+krisk> check it out
18:49 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Ox40Work] by efneTI85
18:49 <+Ox40Work> <_<
18:50 <+krisk> hello, who are you?
18:50 <+Ox40Work> Im teh oxfowzer
18:51 <+Ox40Work> so, do you think anyone will notice http://tennieshardware.com/ptpw VS http://ereplacementparts.com ? :P
18:51 <+krisk> stole their design?
18:51 <+Ox40Work> Heh I need to learn how to design shit like this.
18:51 <@Andy_J> I was hoping you had forgotten about us :(
18:51 <+krisk> also hi welcome back how are you etc etc
18:51 <+Ox40Work> krisk: not really, i just put it up there to see what it looked like.
18:51 <@Andy_J> I mean.
18:51 <@Andy_J> Hi!
18:51 <+Ox40Work> krisk: hi, thanks, im good.
18:52 <+krisk> leofox check out the designnnnnnn
18:52 <+Ox40Work> Andy_J: heh thanks
18:52 <+krisk> of my cardddddddddd
18:53 <+Ox40Work> Hmm, I need to get internet at home so I can get some $$ doing programming work.
18:56 <+Ox40Work> and *@home can die ;)
18:56 <@Andy_J> why do you say that?
18:57 < jr19> ey
18:58 < i_c-Y> i thought we got rid of you
18:58 <@Andy_J> ^
18:58 <@E-J> that was ports
18:59 < jr19> i tried to use the online support thing at tennies hardware website the one day
19:00 < i_c-Y> im surprised that place is still in buisness with Ox40Work there.
19:00 <+Ox40Work> jr19: usually its turned off
19:01 <+Ox40Work> because my boss gives me absolutely _0_ time to actually work on the site...
19:01 <@E-J> so it's rather offline support thing?
19:01 <+Ox40Work> and i_c-Y: go fuck yourself. plzktks.
19:01 <+Ox40Work> E-J: for the most part
19:01 <+Ox40Work> but even then I dont check the messages... 
19:01 < i_c-Y> so essentially the site is just a money sink
19:01 <+Ox40Work> for now
19:02 <+Ox40Work> because he, as usual, has given me a $0 budget for advertising, and no time to work on it.
19:02 <+Ox40Work> WTF does he expect, ya kno?
19:02 <@Andy_J> find a new job, obviously
19:03 <+Ox40Work> lmfao "Kevin? Ox40? Where you be? Come back to TCPA.  You are greatly missed.  Love, #TCPA."
19:03 <+Ox40Work> im getting mixed signals :P
19:03 < i_c-Y> apparantly his plan for getting rid of you still isn't working.
19:04 <+krisk> who send you that?
19:05 < i_c-Y> himself.
19:06 < jr19> Ox40Work: i dunno, i used it though
19:10 < jr19> i asked for kevin
19:10 < jr19> oh yeah
19:10 < jr19> you just said that
19:10 < jr19> i'm bad at reading today
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19:24 <+Ox40Work> :P
19:25 <@E-J> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIldwIt-lNI
19:37 < _Digital> w00t! after 4 days Btrfs is almost done benchmarking!
19:38 < i_c-Y> ...
19:39 < _Digital> file creation and deletion is pitifully slow
19:39 < _Digital> http://atlas.selfip.net/Benchmarks/Btrfs.htm
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20:11 <+krisk> http://aliceandkev.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/test/
20:13 < jr19> "He's basically the worst dad in the world"
20:13 < jr19> great
20:13 <+krisk> this blog is amazing
20:17 < jr19> i'm reading it in elinks, are there pictures?
20:17 <+krisk> yes
20:17 <+krisk> a lot
20:19 < jr19> hmm i'll have to look at it later for sure
20:19 < jr19> i am reading the text though and i cant stop
20:19 < jr19> i feel like i am ruining it by reading it without the pictures
20:19 <+krisk> almost
20:19 <+krisk> they really go with teh text though
20:19 <+krisk> showing whats actually happening
20:19 <+krisk> in the game
20:21 <+krisk> I'm going to install Sims3 to play similar to this
20:21 < jr19> haha i'm going to look at it later
20:21 < jr19> this is truly entertaining
20:22 <+krisk> the whole idea is really interesting
20:22 < jr19> yeah
20:30 < jr19> heh
20:30 < jr19> this is pretty good
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20:37 < efneTI92> [Tar1] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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20:45 < TD-Linux> does anyone know which syllable of the name Janek is stressed?
20:47 <+krisk> a
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20:52 < jr19> fffffuuuuuu
20:53 < jr19> my place of employement was supposed to be opening up a workout facility and they haven't yet, and i haven't heard anything
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21:00 < jr19> wtf
21:00 < jr19> its incomplete
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21:21 < BrandonW> Any of you guys know of an 89Ti-only (NOT 89) Flash application?
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21:30 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
21:32 < jr19> http://www.shonner.com/programming/ti89t_programs.htm maybe 89Ti only?
21:32 < jr19> hmmm...then again, maybe not
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21:42 < Merthsoft> l
21:43 < Merthsoft> GOD FUCKING COMPUTER WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU LATELY
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21:45 < jr19> ID 10T error
21:47 < Merthsoft> search indexer and a certain svchost are taking way too much ram
21:48 <+krisk> haha indexing
21:48 <+Ox40Work> Hey, guys. I ahve a question.
21:48 <+Ox40Work> We have electric heat. The lease says "Lessor shall furnish heat"....
21:48 <+Ox40Work> meaning they pay for the heat, right?
21:49 <+krisk> Services by Lessor:  Lessor agrees to furnish heat, air conditioning, water, normal electrical service, and refuse disposal (collectively "services") to the Leased Premises.
21:49 <+krisk> ?
21:51 <+krisk> i think that just means provide, possibly at a cost to the lessee
21:51 <+krisk> see: the rest of the lease document
21:52 < jr19> my heater uses natural gas so idk
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21:54 <@Andy_J> that just means
21:54 <@Andy_J> \FUCKING
21:54 <@Andy_J> DSL
21:54 <@Andy_J> that just means they provide the means for heat
21:54 <@Andy_J> not that you don't have to pay for it
21:55 < jr19> yeah i guess its kinda like how they say they'll furnish a refrigerator and stove
21:55 < jr19> but you still pay for the electricity/gas to use them
22:00 <@chronomex> BrandonW: no, but I might be able to gin one up for you
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22:08 < bsparks> ohh, I get that joke now
22:12 <@_Auron_> um wow, this application thing blows. it lowercase'd everything I typed, and took out the extra lines I put in, so it's completely unformatted. So for shits and giggles I added a <p> in place of my new lines, and the application broke.
22:12 < Merthsoft> bsparks: :(
22:12 < Merthsoft> you can't come
22:12 <@_Auron_> oh well, w/e. I hit Back and then submitted it
22:13 < bsparks> Merthsoft, :(
22:13 < bsparks> even if I pay? :(
22:13 < Merthsoft> no guests
22:13 < Merthsoft> it's not a money issue.
22:13 < bsparks> :(
22:13 <@_Auron_> what are you talking about?
22:13 <@Andy_J> Merthsoft: how do you know they're actually checking?
22:14 <@Andy_J> akron hardly ever checked except for sporting events
22:14 < Merthsoft> Andy_J: because i know the people working it
22:14 <@Andy_J> that logic should mean you can get people in >_>
22:14 < bsparks> :( indeed
22:14 < Merthsoft> i'm not friends with the people working it
22:16 < bsparks> I wonder if I ask the band <_<
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22:26 <+Ox40Work> the reason I ask about the heat is because my lease also says "Utilities shall be considered as rent" on it.
22:27 <+Ox40Work> And I have no clue what the hell that means.
22:28 < Merthsoft> you should be talking to your land lord about this
22:28 <+Ox40Work> I know, i just noticed it this morning and thought I would ask around before calling her when I get home.
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22:38 < TheStorm> efneT351?
22:40 <+JoeYoung> One of AJ's bots?
22:41 < Tar1> '81 following a rejoin
22:42 < Tar1> they always do that if they disconnect for whatever reason
22:44 < TheStorm> its still weird
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23:21 <+glk> I defend the TI-89 against all enemies
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23:24 < Spengo> god damn
23:24 < Spengo> C# and it's time dependant random number seed
23:24 < Spengo> fffffffff
23:25 < Spengo> I want 4 random numbers all different all immediately after each other :<
23:25 < Spengo> almost every time all the numbers are the same :'(
23:25 <@chronomex> :(
23:27 < DrDnar> Factors for TI-89T FlashApp (0109) :
23:27 < DrDnar> 841782487805108019504636626433705286636095875149425398200651918261297241611
23:27 < DrDnar> *
23:27 < DrDnar> 8291099751880398850103698309074318776947014526155810830059796073579441111212087
23:27 < DrDnar> =
23:27 < DrDnar> 69793025757781959713440434218613966437500925078498898226403405848546616030205659
23:27 < DrDnar> 59924332455319512710258515048215483781847882342933858918971597017902552157
23:27 < DrDnar> Isn't that missing a number?
23:32 < mokomull> Spengo: Are you creating new Random objects for each, or using .next() repeatedly on the same one
23:32 < Spengo> .next
23:32 < Spengo> well actually
23:32 < Spengo> it should be creating new random objects
23:32 < Spengo> nm
23:32 < mokomull> yeah, that's your problem :P
23:32 < mokomull> Create one Random object, use it everywhere.
23:33 < mokomull> The time-seed stuff is only at object creation.
23:36 < Spengo> yay
23:36 < Spengo> I fixed it thanks mokomull 
23:36 < Spengo> now I made a random AI
23:36  * Spengo watches to randoms fight each other for the lulz
23:37 < Spengo> ...this might take awhile
23:38 < mokomull> Spengo: no problem.  I don't actually program .NET either :D
23:41 < Spengo> HA
23:42 < Spengo> white's spy managed to kill black's 1 somehow
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23:53 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
23:59 < millinao> what game is this, spengo?
23:59 < Spengo> stratego
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