--- Log opened Wed Sep 02 00:00:44 2009
00:03 < Tari> kkkofler
00:03 < Tari> woo
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00:20 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
00:20 < BrandonW> I might be bonding with him.
00:21 <@chronomex> oh?
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00:22 < BrandonW> It's like talking to Hitler or something, watching every word.
00:22 < BrandonW> But it's going well.
00:22 <@chronomex> hahahaha
00:23 < TheStorm> Do any of you guys know if the Pentium D has built in temp sensors?
00:24 < TheStorm> I wanted to know how hot my Mom's desktop was getting with boinc and all but none of the programs I've tried give me any temp readings
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00:35 <@Andy_J> speedfan?
00:36 < TheStorm> speedfan teld me fan speeds once I enabled Dell Laptop support(its a dell desktop) but nothing more than taht
00:36 < TheStorm> that*
00:36 < TheStorm> told*
00:39 < BrandonW> He's like an emo version of me.
00:39 <@Andy_J> if speedfan can't find it I doubt anything would
00:40 < BrandonW> Just picture me mentally unstable and ready to stab you if you say anything remotely condescending.
00:40 < BrandonW> While I'm ranting.
00:41 < TheStorm> Andy_J, well lm_sensors might but i don't have linux on her desktop
00:41 <@chronomex> BrandonW: be careful not to "leak logs"
00:41 <@chronomex> he b& me for that
00:41 <@Andy_J> lol linux
00:41 <@Andy_J> I thought he was a freedom of information hippie?
00:41 <@chronomex> not when it comes to irc logs
00:42 <@Andy_J> you can't have it both way.
00:42 < BrandonW> How did he find your postig of logs?
00:42 < BrandonW> posting*
00:42 <@chronomex> I pasted a few lines in tcpa and someone squealed
00:42 <@chronomex> yes, there are sympathizers IN OUR MIDST
00:43 < TheStorm> lol
00:43 < TheStorm> and he can read the public logs
00:44 < BrandonW> Yeah, but I've bashed him many times for no good reason.
00:44 < BrandonW> If he read public logs, I'd be dead by now.
00:45 < TheStorm> lol, he doesn't read them often but I know he went through the one yesterday
00:45 <@chronomex> TheStorm: but TI can't read them!
00:45 < BrandonW> How do you know he did that?
00:46 < TheStorm> you guy's are talking about DJ_omni right?
00:46 <@chronomex> no
00:46 <@chronomex> kkofler
00:46 < TheStorm> oh my bad
00:46 <@Andy_J> do we even have public logs anymore?
00:46 < BrandonW> Yes.
00:46  * chronomex shrugs
00:46 <@Andy_J> where?
00:46 < BrandonW> Something with calcg.org in the name.
00:47 <@chronomex> lol
00:47 < TheStorm> I think V200 has them
00:47 <@Andy_J> AFAIK those were stopped half a year ago
00:47 <@Andy_J> or not
00:47 <@Andy_J> 00:47 <@Andy_J> AFAIK those were stopped half a year ago
00:47 < BrandonW> Well, I read them a couple of days ago after being kicked for flooding.
00:47 <@Andy_J> 00:47 <@Andy_J> or not
00:47 <@Andy_J> ... UTC?
00:47 < BrandonW> I think we should remove the flood kick thing. Honestly, how many times is it abused? At least ease up a little.
00:48 < BrandonW> I've hit it more than once.
00:48 <@Andy_J> Most of the times it fires is due to lag.
00:48 < BrandonW> I do purposely pace myself because of it.
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00:56 < i_c-Y> we need to keep it just incase netimaga tries to pull something.
00:56 < i_c-Y> or the communists.
00:57 < BrandonW> No easing up a little?!
00:57 < i_c-Y> never ease up when communists are involved. 
00:57 < BrandonW> It's not like I'm hitting enter every other word.
00:57 < BrandonW> I form complete thoughts.
00:58 < BrandonW> Have you seen Inglorious Basterds?
00:58 < i_c-Y> no, i intend to soon though.
00:58 < i_c-Y> i heard it was very good.
00:58 < BrandonW> I enjoyed it.
00:59 < TheStorm> heh, tari had my TorrentFlux server grab that, I'll have to watch it
00:59 < i_c-Y> pirate.
01:00 < BrandonW> I want to see it again just for Brad Pitt.
01:00 < i_c-Y> my brain seems to lump leonardo dicaprio , brad pitt and matt damon into one person for some reason
01:00 < BrandonW> He's really good in it.
01:00 < TheStorm> i_c-Y, I actually use it for Live CD's and such more that Warez
01:03 < i_c-Y> liar.
01:04 < i_c-Y> all you are is a filthy stinkin pirate
01:06 <@chronomex> PIRACY IS UNAMERICAN
01:07 <@chronomex> FILTY GAY JEWISH COMMIE NAZI
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01:11 < DrDnar> Does the flash debugger emulate extra RAM?
01:11 < Tari> probably not
01:11 < Tari> it doesn't even mask writes to port 6
01:11 < DrDnar> Figures.
01:12 < Tari> I had some code that wrote 7C to port 6 (which will give 1C/4C/7C as applicable on hardware), but it just utterly broke
01:12 < Tari> (not the emulator, but the code)
01:12 <@chronomex> neat idea
01:12 < BrandonW> 3C*
01:13 < BrandonW> It does emulate the extra RAM, yes, of course.
01:13 < BrandonW> Because the 83+/SE OS uses it.
01:13 <@chronomex> nice little program you got there, it'd be a pity if something happened to it
01:13 < BrandonW> Never waste your time masking writes to port 6, by the way, because TI does assume the hardware will mask it out.
01:14 < BrandonW> Because their code does it when jumping to the boot code on boot.
01:14 < BrandonW> That's one of the only places you'll see it.
01:14 < BrandonW> I know this because I had to write the OS patch to convert an 84+SE to an 84+, and if you don't mask your writes, you break it. :(
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01:18 < DrDnar> Hey, now we can resign OS 1.19 for the TI-84.
01:19 < Tari> for some reason
01:19 <@chronomex> that makes this whole cracking enterprise a DMCA violation
01:19 < DrDnar> Or 2.43 for the TI-83+SE.
01:20 < DrDnar> Shouldn't need more than a simple patch.
01:20 < |Omega|> Why would you want to convert a 84+SE to a 84+? (Sorry if it's a stupid question)
01:20 < TheStorm> |Omega|, because he can
01:20 < |Omega|> Lol.
01:21 < DrDnar> The certificates won't erase properly if you do that.
01:21 < |Omega|> I aksed because I have one and I wanted to see what kind of cool stuff it's capable of :p
01:22 < DrDnar> The only difference between the 84+ and 84+Se is the flash chip.
01:22 < BrandonW> And the boot code.
01:22 < DrDnar> Well, that's in the flash chip.
01:22 < BrandonW> Well the whole thing's in the flash chip!
01:22 < TheStorm> 2.43 on the 83+ would basically need alll the usb and clock stuff removed and adjustments for the different boot code
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01:23 < BrandonW> |Omega|, the only purpose to converting an 84+SE to an 84+ is to screw over your enemies, basically taking away 1MB of their archive.
01:23 < BrandonW> Persists across RAM resets.
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01:23 < DrDnar> Heh heh. I see.
01:23 < BrandonW> 2.43 on the 83+ is almost impossible.
01:23 < BrandonW> A LOT of the code is there to do it so it may APPEAR like it's possible, but no.
01:24 < BrandonW> 2.43 on an 83+SE, however...I don't know, I never looked deeply into it (but I think it's possible).
01:24 < DrDnar> Couldn't you just mark a couple sectors as being swap sectors? Would TI-OS actually be smart enough to erase the extras?'
01:24 < BrandonW> 1.19 on an 84+SE, absolutely.
01:24 < DrDnar> You've done it.
01:24 < BrandonW> What does marking sectors as swap sectors accomplish?
01:24 < BrandonW> Removing space?
01:25 < DrDnar> Yeah.
01:25 < BrandonW> I think you would just confuse the hell out of it.
01:25 < DrDnar> I could write a short program to see what happens.
01:25 <@chronomex> lol
01:25 < TheStorm> 1MB worth of swap secotors lulz
01:26 < DrDnar> For 2.43 on an 83+SE, the USB would need to be patched a little, but the clock code shouldn't need to be changed. I don't think TIOS will care if the clock always reads 0.
01:26 < BrandonW> I think I just verified the 89 OS signing key.
01:27 <@chronomex> neato
01:27 < DrDnar> After all, Wabbit doesn't emulate USB beyond always returning the USB as being unplugged.
01:27 < TheStorm> BrandonW, how, I thought we didn't have any signing tools
01:27 < DrDnar> That wouldn't stop BrandonW.
01:28 < BrandonW> "patched a little" is an understatement. You have no idea how many times TI accesses the USB ports directly all throughout the OS to see if something's attached.
01:28 < BrandonW> TheStorm, the 89U files are far simpler, I just stripped off the crap, hashed, and encrypted it. It produced a signature identical to the 020Dh field at the end of the 89U.
01:28 <@Andy_J> too bad you can't run it in a VM
01:29 < BrandonW> That might be the worst idea ever.
01:29 <@Andy_J> I was kidding.
01:29 < TheStorm> Andy_J, isn't that basically be Emu8x?
01:29 < BrandonW> Or concept.
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01:29 <@Andy_J> TheStorm: actually, yes, I guess.
01:30 < BrandonW> It's not impossible, of course...I mean a generic patch from "in a,(4Dh)" to "xor a \ nop" wouldn't hurt much.
01:30 < BrandonW> Or whatever.
01:30 < DrDnar> Wouldn't 4dh always read 0 on the 83+SE hardware anyway?
01:30 < BrandonW> It would be a shadow port of something else, which might end up being bad to read.
01:31 < BrandonW> It's random guesses.
01:31 < BrandonW> I did try it once, it doesn't work. Patches of some sort are required.
01:31 < DrDnar> I though the SE didn't have shadow ports.
01:31 < BrandonW> Nonsense.
01:31 < BrandonW> The irrelevant bits for that device would get stripped off from whatever you wrote there.
01:32 < BrandonW> So there are very likely two port numbers that go to the same place.
01:32 <@Andy_J> wikiti seems to inidicated that the 4x ports don't do anything on the 83+SE
01:32 < DrDnar> That's what I thought.
01:32 < BrandonW> Besides, reading zero might actually be bad...it might need to always read 1. Or something. The USB ports are reversed like that sometimes.
01:33 < BrandonW> Such as port 55h.
01:33 < BrandonW> It's reversed.
01:33 < BrandonW> And it's absolutely essential to USB interrupts.
01:38 < Tari> oooh, that's why there are noobs on uti
01:38 < Tari> school's starting up again!
01:39 < DrDnar> heh
01:39 <@chronomex> lol
01:39 <@chronomex> September, yes
01:43 <@chronomex> woo, time to go find more boxes
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01:59 < Spengo> HAHA
01:59 < Spengo> oh wow
01:59 < Spengo> I did a java update and said to close browsers right? so it crashed firefox
01:59 < Spengo> so now I turn it back on aftr the update and get this error message
02:00 < Spengo> >well this is embarrassing, Firefox is having trouble recovering your windows and tabs. This is usually caused by a recently opened web page.
02:03 <@chronomex> yeah
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02:09 <+JoeYoung> yo
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02:22 < BrandonW> I'm proud to say that I've checked every 68k OS and app key so far and they generate exactly the same signature for all the OSes off education.ti.com, and one of the StudyCards applications.
02:22 < BrandonW> Every key is good.
02:23 <+JoeYoung> awesome
02:23 <+JoeYoung> :)
02:23 < incubus> nice
02:24 < Merthsoft> hooray
02:25 <+JoeYoung> I'm curious about why we haven't heard from TI
02:25 <@chronomex> me too
02:25 < BrandonW> I'm staying silent on the internet until we have all the keys.
02:25 < BrandonW> Best not to disturb it, whatever it is.
02:25 < incubus> :)
02:25 < incubus> don't poke the Bear
02:25 <+JoeYoung> We should put a news article on ticalc about our achievement at some point. How many keys do we need?
02:26 < BrandonW> 6.
02:26 < BrandonW> Only one more is absolutely necessary.
02:26 < BrandonW> And that's the 92+ app key.
02:26 <+JoeYoung> Last time I checked BOINC, it wasn't giving me any more tasks.
02:26 < BrandonW> Which I believe is in final processing.
02:26 < BrandonW> So I THINK that even if TI shut down the distributed project, we're good.
02:27 < incubus> :)
02:28 < incubus> Why is it that when people ask for advice, they can never take advice?
02:29 < incubus> "My boyfriend cheated on me, what do you think I should do" ... "Dump him and move on" ... "I think I know what's best for me, thanks though"
02:30 < BrandonW> Max ETA for the Voyage 200 Flash application key is 2 days.
02:30 < incubus> :D
02:30 < incubus> what about TI89 Flash
02:30 < BrandonW> We already have that.
02:30 < incubus> TI89 OS?
02:31 < BrandonW> Yes.
02:31 < incubus> oh shit 89 jobs are done, didn't notice
02:31 < TheStorm> yeah
02:31 < incubus> it's all 84 now
02:31 < incubus> It was 89 when I left for school
02:31 < TheStorm> what happened with the 73os thing?
02:31 < incubus> ok 84 Flash apps then? :)
02:31 < TheStorm> I kept getting computation errors.
02:31 < BrandonW> They're working on it, TheStorm.
02:32 < TheStorm> ahh ok
02:32 < BrandonW> We don't have the 84+/SE Flash application key yet, but you can sign applications for it by using the 0104 key (as always).
02:32 < incubus> TheStorm, it working now though?
02:32 < incubus> wtf?
02:32 < TheStorm> yeah it was only those jobs
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02:32 < incubus> BrandonW, ok so we just don't know the p and q?
02:32 < BrandonW> Right.
02:32 < incubus> gotcha
02:33 < BrandonW> It's one of those keys we're getting for completeness' sake.
02:33 < incubus> ya
02:33 < BrandonW> Because I would like to say when this is all said and done that we have every key.
02:33 < BrandonW> No secrets.
02:33 < incubus> :D :D :D :D
02:34 < incubus> Date stamp in the works? :|__)
02:34 < BrandonW> Yes.
02:34 < incubus> I just hope what you say is true, about it being difficult to make new models with different key values
02:34 < incubus> or rather, infeasible
02:35 < BrandonW> The only reason these keys mean anything is because they're embedded in the boot code.
02:35 < BrandonW> Which is unchangeable.
02:35 < BrandonW> TI couldn't come up with a new scheme if they wanted to.
02:35 < BrandonW> They have lost.
02:35 < incubus> haha
02:35 <@chronomex> 19:26:46 <+JoeYoung> We should put a news article on ticalc about our achievement at some point. How many keys do we need?
02:35 <@chronomex> I've already got it mostly written
02:35 < incubus> I just hope we don't lose BrandonW to the dark side
02:35 < BrandonW> Can I preview it?!
02:36 < i_c-Y> no
02:36 < incubus> lol
02:36 < i_c-Y> you can't taste the victory til victory is won
02:36 <@chronomex> 19:35:58 < BrandonW> Which is unchangeable.
02:36 <@chronomex> didn't you change a key once?
02:36 < incubus> lol???
02:37 < incubus> lol??? *sweat drop*
02:37 < TheStorm> chronomex, but its not feasible for TI to do that
02:37 < BrandonW> You can add key overrides to the certificate, yes, but it requires getting your calculator public key (it's unknown how TI has this...it may be calculated from the calc ID which you have to give them before they give you a certificate update...or they might just have a huge database)
02:37 <@chronomex> ah, right
02:37 <@chronomex> if I were designing it, they would have a huge database
02:38 < BrandonW> Think about it, what would TI do? Give you a certificate update and an app signed with another key? You would just turn around and re-sign it with 0104 or 010A and be done with it.
02:38 < BrandonW> It's why they stopped with paid apps, and why they hesitated giving us 0104.
02:38 < BrandonW> Because it means we can just take any app and re-sign it as freeware.
02:39 <@chronomex> heh, yeah
02:41 < BrandonW> They literally have nothing over us.
02:41 < i_c-Y> what apps were paid apps?
02:41 < BrandonW> I think CellSheet was at one time.
02:41 < BrandonW> Inequality Graphing...
02:41 < BrandonW> Organize...
02:41 < BrandonW> That other graphing app...
02:41 < BrandonW> Even OurWorld, I think.
02:41 < BrandonW> There were many.
02:41 < BrandonW> Either $7 or $15.
02:42 < BrandonW> At first they were paid apps and trial apps, then they had promotions and specials where you could sign on and request free apps for a while.
02:43 < BrandonW> Now those were the most interesting.
02:43 < BrandonW> Because they were still signed for only your calculator.
02:43 < BrandonW> It was a way of requesting a ton of "paid" apps.
02:43 <@chronomex> but you didn't have to pay
02:43 < BrandonW> And studying how they distributed paid apps.
02:43 < BrandonW> What they used to do is embed the certificate update (these are 8XQ files) INSIDE the 8XK.
02:44 < BrandonW> TI Connect or whatever would treat it like a container (like a zip or something) and send both.
02:44 < BrandonW> The certificate update would contain the 0104 and 04 keys (84+/SE didn't exist yet) and a special key to go with the paid app.
02:44 < BrandonW> The paid app was signed with that key.
02:44 < BrandonW> So the app would only work on your calculator.
02:44 < TheStorm> hmm, thats interesting, I wonder if we could do that somehow witht he 05 key
02:45 < BrandonW> I might be the only person around still with 8XKs like that.
02:45 < BrandonW> I never paid for a single application.
02:45 < TheStorm> lol, nice
02:46 < BrandonW> TheStorm, the thing that really sucks is the fact that the certificate update itself is signed with your calculator's unique public key, and we're not factoring every 83+'s key in the world, so we just can't do it.
02:46 < i_c-Y> when did you get your first calculator, BrandonW ?
02:46 < i_c-Y> graphing calculator
02:46 < BrandonW> What I PROPOSE that we do is REPLACE everyone's public key with 05. That way we CAN do stuff like that, safely and cleanly.
02:46 < BrandonW> Modifying the digits to a key you already have in the certificate is MUCH safer than stuff like Free83P.
02:47 < BrandonW> i_c-Y, who knows and depends on who you ask...my first calculator was a TI-81 with broken LCD that belonged to my brother.
02:47 < BrandonW> Then in 7th grade I got an 83.
02:47 < BrandonW> Then I got an 89, then 86, then 83+...
02:47 < BrandonW> And then I lost track of how it went.
02:47 < i_c-Y> wow, you got a calculator pretty early.
02:48 < Barrett> well IIIIIIIIIII got an 85 in 7th grade
02:48 < Barrett> so there
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02:48 < efneTI92> [LordMathi] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
02:48 < i_c-Y> i got a TI 83+ in like 11th grade i think.
02:48 < BrandonW> Well my cousin got an 85 when I was a lot younger, and I remember seeing it new in the packaging.
02:48 < BrandonW> It all started right then.
02:48 < i_c-Y> haha.
02:48 < TheStorm> I got a 83+se in 9th grade, it was my sisters though, then I got my 84+se the nest year
02:48 < TheStorm> next*
02:49 < Barrett> how old are you?
02:49 < Barrett> young-in
02:49 < TheStorm> Me?
02:49 < Barrett> yes
02:49 < TheStorm> I'm 18
02:49 < Barrett> yoooung
02:50 < i_c-Y> heh. 90's child.
02:50 < i_c-Y> pitiful.
02:50 < TheStorm> A freshman at Marquette University too.
02:50 < i_c-Y> 80's ftw.
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02:50 < Barrett> mid-80s
02:50 < Barrett> ftw
02:50 < Barrett> 85.
02:50 < Barrett> in fact
02:50 < TheStorm> The 90's did kinda suck 
02:50 < i_c-Y> late 80s for me. still cool.
02:50 < BrandonW> RabbitSign claims to sign and re-sign 68k OSes and apps, but it didn't work for me.
02:51 < BrandonW> Then again I can't get it to sign 83+ OSes.
02:51 < BrandonW> The 90s were awesome, by the way.
02:51 < BrandonW> 94 was a good year.
02:51 < TheStorm> BrandonW, well the late 90's
02:51 < Barrett> BrandonW, what happened in 94?
02:51 < i_c-Y> world cup for one
02:51 < BrandonW> Just look at all the movies that came out in '94.
02:51 < TD-Linux> Randomist was born
02:51 < Barrett> AOL 3.0?
02:51 < BrandonW> Star Trek Generations, Stargate...
02:52 < BrandonW> Seriously, Wikipedia that.
02:52 < i_c-Y> lion king
02:52 < i_c-Y> pulp fiction
02:52 < i_c-Y> forrest gump
02:52 < BrandonW> There you go.
02:52 < TD-Linux> glk's website opened?
02:52 < Barrett> eh, 96 was better for movies
02:52 < Barrett> Independence day.
02:52 < BrandonW> 96 was good, too.
02:52 < i_c-Y> TD-Linux: actually randomist is older than i am
02:52 < BrandonW> I remember being in the theater for all three.
02:52 < i_c-Y> first MI film was in 1996 too.
02:53 < BrandonW> Did you know that the web site for Star Trek Generations was the first to promote a major motion picture?
02:53 < TheStorm> yeah movie wise the 90's wern't bad but the mainstream music went downhill 
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02:55 < BrandonW> Anybody want to do some crazy modifications to one of the 68k OSes?
02:55 < BrandonW> And I re-sign it?
02:55 < BrandonW> And see if it works?
02:55 < BrandonW> Just open up the XXU file and go nuts.
02:55 < Merthsoft> dooes it have to assemble?
02:56 < BrandonW> There's no assembling, it's all binary data.
02:56 < BrandonW> So play with strings or something.
02:56 < Merthsoft> sweet
02:56 < TD-Linux> write "LOL LOL BRANDONW STOLE MY CHEEZBURGER" in the about screen
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02:56 < TheStorm> if someone does that I'll send it to my calc :p
02:56 < Merthsoft> i need an XXU file
02:57 < TheStorm> grab it from ti
02:59 < Merthsoft> TheStorm: do you have a titanium?
02:59 < TheStorm> yeah
03:02 < Merthsoft> wow
03:02 < Merthsoft> there's a huge section of FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
03:02 < BrandonW> Take a look at an 8XU sometime.
03:02 < Merthsoft> same thing?
03:02 < TheStorm> Merthsoft, it's ti, what do you expect
03:03 < TheStorm> I'm sure its worse
03:03 < BrandonW> It is worse, but there's a good reason for it.
03:03 < BrandonW> I have no idea why it's in a 68k OS upgrade.
03:03 < BrandonW> Unless it's some sort of boundary thing.
03:04 < BrandonW> The z80 OSes are split up into pages because it's memory memory than the processor can address.
03:04 < BrandonW> The 68ks don't really have that problem.
03:05 < BrandonW> more memory*
03:05 < BrandonW> And so the FFs are the empty space for each page.
03:05 < i_c-Y> :-/
03:05 < BrandonW> It all gets hashed and signed.
03:06 < BrandonW> Now, it's a little bit stupid to transfer all of that over the link.
03:06 < BrandonW> But the signing would've been more of a mess if not.
03:14 < Tari> hehe, 8xu rage
03:14 < Tari> datatatata...FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
03:14 < Tari> :P
03:14 < Tari> even better if you put a bad checksum on the line before that
03:15 < BrandonW> It's really amazing the slightest little changes you can make to an 8XU to get it to crash TI Connect.
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03:19 <@chronomex> where are the FF's?
03:21 <@chronomex> i.e. what address range
03:22 < TheStorm> chronomex, they are at the end of every page
03:23 <@chronomex> pages are 64k
03:23 <@chronomex> interesting
03:23 <@chronomex> unwritten flash is all FFs
03:24 <@chronomex> sounds like padding
03:27 < BrandonW> Sectors are 64KB, pages are 16KB.
03:28 <@chronomex> 68k has no pages :)
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03:47 < Tari> 68k's address space is also 68k* times larger than the z80's :)
03:47 < Tari> *actual values may vary
03:51 <@chronomex> heh
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04:01 < efneTI92> [Randomist] http://wintervenom.mine.nu
04:01 < Randomist> Congratulations.
04:05 < Merthsoft> what?
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04:16 < Randomist> I thought "gangsta" Rap artists had very short memories with their constant repetition... and then I heard the Christian music.
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04:17 < Randomist> "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus / God, God, God" times sixty-eight. 
04:19 < jayhawker> Um... WTF?
04:19 <@chronomex> jayhawker: you missed the prev line
04:19 <@chronomex> 21:17:03 < Randomist> I thought "gangsta" Rap artists had very short memories with their constant repetition... and then I heard the Christian music.
04:20 < jayhawker> Aye. Not all Christian music is bad...
04:24 < BrandonW> Take whatever Randomist says with a grain of salt.
04:24 < BrandonW> Everyone else does.
04:25 < Randomist> How many times do I have to say that?  :P
04:25 < Merthsoft> FUUUUUUUUUCK
04:26 < jayhawker> Very true. I'm thinking seriously about joining the choir at our Newman Center, by the way.
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04:27 < Randomist> Oh, right.  Jay Hawker is Dalek.
04:28 < BrandonW> Annoying when people switch names, isn't it?
04:28 < BrandonW> At least you stick with Randomist MOST of the time.
04:28 < Randomist> Not really.
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04:29 < ShaunMc> yeha
04:29 < BrandonW> No, it's McShaun.
04:29 -!- ShaunMc is now known as McShaun
04:29 < BrandonW> Hey look, it's a chicken McFly!
04:29 < BrandonW> That joke was used only once in Back to the Future III but they had to have planned it from the beginning.
04:30 <@chronomex> heh
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04:30 <@chronomex> dork
04:30 <@chronomex> hey tev_
04:30 <@chronomex> live packing-shit-in-boxes! http://98.247.140.52:8080/stream.html
04:31 < BrandonW> tev_, chronomex called you a dork.
04:32 < BrandonW> Are you just going to sit and take that?
04:32 < BrandonW> I say we kill him.
04:32 <@chronomex> FUK U
04:33 < Randomist> No, you.
04:36 <+Netham45> hey
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04:43 < Merthsoft> night
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05:00 <@E-J> found item of the day: xbox
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05:00 < efneTI92> [sir_lewk] http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95  I have much DATA in VELOCIRAPTORS AND PHILOSOPH
05:00 < millinao> in BOINC, do all of my tasks have to be done before it reports the results?
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05:04 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
05:08 < TD-Linux> millinao, no
05:08 < TD-Linux> something is broken with task reporting right now
05:08 < millinao> oh
05:09 < TD-Linux> actually I take that back
05:09 < TD-Linux> looks like they uploaded again
05:09 < TD-Linux> uploading is periodic, I don't think it usually happens right away
05:09 < millinao> oh, maybe it uploads on the deadline
05:10 < millinao> which happens to be the 8th
05:10 < DrDnar> Hmm.
05:10 < TD-Linux> no, it uploads mine earlier
05:10 < TD-Linux> I see I have one that's currently not uploaded
05:10 < TD-Linux> earlier today I had all tasks finished and none uploaded
05:10 < DrDnar> TIOS hasn't yet choked on having sectors 14--4C being converted into swap.
05:11 < millinao> ah well
05:12 < DrDnar> Now I've converted the entire archived into swap space.
05:13 < DrDnar> Oops, forgot 0c
05:14 < DrDnar> Garbage collect?
05:14 < DrDnar> ERR:ARCHIVE FULL
05:14 < DrDnar> Largest single variable = 0 app = 0
05:14 < DrDnar> Ha!
05:14 < DrDnar> I did a RAM reset, and now it says there's 0 bytes of free archive.
05:15 < DrDnar> So you can kill archive simply by marking extra sectors as being swap space.
05:17 < DrDnar> Reset > Archive > Both doesn't fix it.
05:17 < DrDnar> but resetting all memory does
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05:51 < DrDnar> Woah, Michael released to us an 8xq.
05:51 < DrDnar> ecaf68d
05:54 <@chronomex> q == ?
05:55 <@chronomex> oh
05:55 <@chronomex> 83+ cert
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06:21 <@chronomex> what is this? is it an 82? http://vreel.com/images/1.jpg
06:25 < millinao> i think that's an 83
06:25 < millinao> yeah, almost certain it is
06:25 <@chronomex> aren't there three case styles on the 83?
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06:26 < millinao> just kidding, that's an 86
06:26 < millinao> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-86
06:27 <@chronomex> cool
06:27 <@chronomex> thanks
06:27 < millinao> note the graph button below the alpha
06:27 <@chronomex> yes
06:27 <@chronomex> that's not an 83 thing, right
06:27 <@chronomex> and the non-recessed screen == !85, right?
06:28 < millinao> 83 has GRAPH on the button that's F5 on the 86
06:28 <@chronomex> right, yes
06:28 <@chronomex> sort of like he 89
06:29 < millinao> don't know about the screen
06:29 <@chronomex> the 85 has a recessed screen iirc
06:30 <@chronomex> er
06:30 <@chronomex> I can't tell from the photo whether it does or not
06:31 < millinao> to me it looks like it's not recessed
06:32 <@chronomex> yeah, but it might be
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07:43 < tr1p1ea> yay!
07:43 < tr1p1ea> TI-81 has arrived!
07:44 < tr1p1ea> now to find batteries to see if this baby works :)
07:44  * tr1p1ea inserts batts *suspense*
07:44 < tr1p1ea> .......
07:45 < tr1p1ea> victory!
07:45 < tr1p1ea> (but minor heart attack since contrast was down low :P)
07:47 <@Nikky> :)
07:48 < millinao> :(
07:48 < millinao> http://downloadmozart.com/ my new favorite site, I shat balls when I first saw this
07:56 < millinao> hahaha, on omegle I was talking to someone, I linked a song, and they said "be right back, locating headphones" and then disconnected
07:56 < tr1p1ea> friggin hell uti is slow
07:57 < tr1p1ea> lolcating headphones?
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08:10 < tr1p1ea> v1.8k nice
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09:41 < efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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11:01 < efneTI92> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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11:09 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
11:16 < i_c-Y> An anonymous reader writes 
11:16 < i_c-Y> "Nintendo has released an update for the Wii Internet Channel (a version of the Opera browser). It is now a free download (if you already paid for it, you get a free NES game), and finally supports Flash 9 content after being limited to Flash 7 ever since it was launched in late 2006."
11:18 < tr1p1ea> cool
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12:36 <@Nikky> nicolas_
12:40 <@Andy_J> dicks
12:46 <@Nikky> ?
12:46 <@Nikky> Yeah, nicolas is a dick
12:46 <@Nikky> where is he
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13:03 < leofox> Kevin banned the entire university again
13:04 < leofox> from his #omnimaga channel
13:04 <+krisk> hahaha
13:04 <+krisk> im still banned from last year or something
13:05 < Rivereye> sounds like Kevin at times
13:05 <+krisk> wat
13:05 < leofox> I got a perm ban 2 years ago or so
13:05 <+krisk> yeah me too
13:05 < leofox> ya I think you were banned before me
13:05 < leofox> it was stupid
13:05 < leofox> us combined was 50% of the activity in that channel
13:05 <+krisk> haha yeah
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13:06 <+krisk> I wonder if he has a document keeping track of all the bans and their reasons
13:06 <+krisk> he probably keeps a journal
13:06 < Rivereye> for some reason, it wouldn'
13:07 < Rivereye> wouldn't supprise me
13:07 <+krisk> "Dear DJournal, today I had to ban leofox again. He is such a silly person. I hope this teaches him a lesson on life and how to live it. And some respect for people like me who have important jobs to do on IRC."
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13:08 < krisk> huhwat
13:08 < krisk> hi nikky
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13:09 <@Nikky> Yeah, what.
13:09 <@Nikky> Why do you still care?
13:09 <+krisk> who still cares?
13:10 <@Nikky> Good.
13:10 <@Nikky> Now shut up.
13:10 <@Nikky> Nobody cares about omnidrama.
13:11 <@Nikky> You bring it up, you just encourage it.
13:12 <@Nikky> capisci?
13:15 < leofox> I want to encourage it
13:15 < leofox> say what you will, but the omnidrama was great entertainment
13:15 <+krisk> it is fun to observe and make fun of
13:15 <@Nikky> Then I'll just ban you.
13:15 <@Nikky> *shrugs*
13:15 <+krisk> isnt that also drama?
13:15 < leofox> :(
13:16 <@Nikky> I'm not in the mood krisk 
13:16  * leofox huggles Nikky
13:16 <+krisk> hmm apparently there was a package delivered when i was at work
13:16 <+krisk> they gave it to my neighbours because i wasnt home
13:16 <+krisk> surely it cant be my new comp
13:16 < leofox> I hope my bong was delivered today
13:16 <+krisk> :o
13:19 <@Nikky> Yeah, we hope it does too.
13:20 < jr19> hello
13:21 <+krisk> my comp has to come from belgium and I'm not sure they've even recieved my payment yet
13:22 < jr19> money hasn't come out of your account yet?
13:22 <+krisk> yes
13:24 <+krisk> but if it has to go to another bank then usually it won't be recieved untill after midnight, so the next day
13:24 <+krisk> and in this case itll have to be transfered internationally which can take a day or two more
13:25 <+krisk> or my neighbours are now in possession of my new computers
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13:29 < jr19> heh
13:29 < jr19> i hope that isn't the case
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13:31 <+krisk> i kinda do because then i can set it up tonight
13:31 <+krisk> but i dont think so
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13:33 < jr19> you hope your neighbors have your computer?
13:33 < jr19> and have already sold the parts for money?
13:33 <+krisk> yes
13:33 <+krisk> no
13:34 < jr19> heh
13:34 <+krisk> when a delivery is left with the neighbours they have to sign it
13:34 < jr19> i guess i don't know how trustworthy your neighbors are
13:34 < jr19> yeah you have to sign for something like that here too
13:34 < jr19> i didnt know how it worked in the netherlands
13:35 < jr19> is it delivered by UPS
13:35 <+krisk> no
13:35 <+krisk> TNT
13:35 <+krisk> but I think my comp will be delivered by something else, not sure how they do that from belgium
13:36 <@E-J> oops or dynamite, 2 delivery services you can trust
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13:49 < efneTI92> [Netham45] "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." -Scissors
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14:26 < efneTI92> [Tar1] Remember, remember the 5th of November
14:28 <@Nikky> Merthsoft
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14:32 <@Nikky> Merthsoft
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14:33 <@Nikky> Fine
14:33 <@Nikky> Don't answer
14:33 <@Nikky> the domain works
14:33 <@Nikky> let me know if you want a different document root
14:33 <@Nikky> which is ~/public_html right now
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14:35 < Barrett> loooser!
14:36 <@Nikky> Yeah, I pointed it to www.barackobama.com
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14:47 < efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
14:53 <@E-J> Nikky: is rome still hot?
14:54 <@Nikky> um, hell yes it is
14:54 <@Nikky> goddamn
14:55 < leofox> rome is great
14:55 <@E-J> maybe it's because you are there
14:55 < leofox> ugly-ass city, total chaos, but I like it
14:55 <@Nikky> Ugly?
14:55 <@Nikky> no
14:56 < leofox> concrete jungle next to 2000-year old ruins
14:56 <@Nikky> uh-hunh
14:56 < leofox> there are pretty parts too of course
14:56 <@Nikky> I'd argue with you.
14:56 <@Nikky> But I think I'll go look at some concrete jungles
14:56 <@Nikky> bblz
14:56 < leofox> I like the Termini station and piazza navona
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15:01 < jr19> ive never been anywhere
15:03 <@E-J> jr19: how far from home you have been?
15:04 <@E-J> i haven't been in rome, but at several other places
15:06 < jr19> i've never been out of the US, i'll tell you that much
15:06 < jr19> furthest away i've been is Florida
15:06 < leofox> bah where did kirsk go
15:06 < leofox> I finally got my bong
15:08 < jr19> cool
15:08 < jr19> i think i should get to come test it
15:09 < leofox> you should
15:15 <@E-J> http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=34437 check price (hinta)
15:15  * jr19 buys a plane ticket
15:16 <@E-J> and that product is 1m rca-cable
15:19 <@Nikky> haha
15:22 < leofox> E-J wtf is that
15:22 < leofox> audiophile cable?
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15:24 < Milyardo> At least there's an option for free shipping
15:30 <@Nikky> Hi dpunkt 
15:30 < dpunkt> hello
15:32 <@E-J> leofox: something like that, this is manufacturer's websitehttp://www.crystalcable.com/index.php
15:32 <@E-J> +" "
15:33 <@E-J> Milyardo: that free shipping is fething from store
15:33 <@E-J> from nearest store*
15:35 <@Nikky> shut up
15:35 <@Nikky> JUST FUCKIN STOP MAKUING FUN OF STORES
15:35 <@Nikky> HEY YOU
15:36 < leofox> yeah E-J
15:36 < leofox> you're making some stores leave the community forever
15:36 < leofox> with your destructive criticism
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15:43 < efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin.
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15:59 < Milyardo> http://www.wegame.com/watch/Lugaru_Contest_Video/
16:01 <@_Auron_> the bunny game?
16:01 <@_Auron_> http://darkauron.dyshost.com/Images/weirdball.jpg
16:01 < Milyardo> Ninja bunnys
16:51 < incubus> How do you graph a specific interval the argument of a function on the ti89t?
16:51 < incubus> like graph f(x) = 2*x for 0<x<10  or something
16:54 <@E-J> it was something like 'y1(x) = 2*x and x>0 and x<10'
16:54 <@E-J> iirc
16:55 < BrandonW> I'm pretty sure I have keys that yAronet isn't even aware of.
16:55 < BrandonW> They think we've only done 7.
16:55 < BrandonW> But I have 8 factors.
16:55 < BrandonW> Their information seems wildly out of date.
16:55 < BrandonW> (and I tested all 8)
16:56 < incubus> E-J, hmm, nested 'when's suck ass
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16:57 < BrandonW> The latest posts say they've added a new 73 OS work unit raneg.
16:57 < BrandonW> range.*
16:58 <@E-J> well, i haven't had v200 for a while so i can't say for sure how it is/was
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17:00 < incubus> E-J, this worked,  y1(x) = x^2 | x>0 and x<2
17:00 < incubus> thnx
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17:02 <@E-J> ah, good, np
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17:14 < incubus> E-J, you there?
17:14 <@E-J> sometimes
17:15 < incubus> you've seen this right? http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009/08/microsoft-poland-at-least-they-left.html
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17:16 <@E-J> yeah
17:17 < incubus> Did that photoshop in ANY way seem decent to you?
17:17 < incubus> photoshop job*
17:19 <@E-J> well, with quick look maybe, normal people won't watch very long those pictures which are only used to make site more lively
17:26 <@chronomex> look at the hands
17:26 <@chronomex> they didn't even try
17:27 <@E-J> i know, i know, but chronomex: do you always look the hands when you see picture like that in some generic web page
17:27 < BrandonW> Did you also notice that the monitor isn't plugged into anything?
17:27 <@chronomex> no, I understand what you're saying though
17:29 <@chronomex> BrandonW: haven't you heard of Wireless DVI?
17:29 < BrandonW> No, no I haven't.
17:30 < BrandonW> So they have a fancy wireless monitor but they can't spring for a wireless keyboard?
17:31 <@chronomex> I'm pulling your leg sirs
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17:31 <@E-J> BrandonW: it's microsoft
17:31 < BrandonW> Google says there are proof-of-concepts out there.
17:31 < leofox> I got the new opera
17:31 < leofox> it's kinda nice
17:32 < leofox> they finally have a decent new skin
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17:36 <@chronomex> BrandonW: do you have a 68k signer?
17:36 < BrandonW> No, but I have a small utility that could be used to generate a signature for a 68k PC file.
17:37 < BrandonW> With some modifications.
17:37 < BrandonW> (you would still have to reverse the Endianness and insert it at the end of the PC file)
17:37 < BrandonW> It's still a manual process right now.
17:37 <@chronomex> that's what I meant. How portable is it?
17:37 <@chronomex> ah, ok
17:37 < BrandonW> It's VB.NET, all of this is because I was using somebody's C# BigInteger library.
17:38 < BrandonW> It was the quickest way to get up and running.
17:38 <@chronomex> if there isn't one by the time I'm moved, I'll write me own
17:38 < Tar1> (meaning, it's portable as long as you have Mono)
17:38 <@chronomex> heh, okay
17:39 < BrandonW> Somehow I doubt the 68k community would really appreciate a VB.NET utility, so I was going to write it in C++.
17:39 <@chronomex> I'd probably use perl and throw up a web service too
17:39 <@chronomex> heh
17:40 < sir_lewk> quantum mechanics question: if I knew the wave funtion of a free electron, how should I go about finding it's de Broglie wavelength?
17:40 <@chronomex> isn't that proportional to its mass or something?
17:41 <@chronomex> <-- qm noober
17:41 < BrandonW> I can provide all the signing details if/when you write your own.
17:41 <@chronomex> ok
17:41 < BrandonW> It's actually very straightforward for the 68ks.
17:41 <@chronomex> cool
17:41 <@Andy_J> 13:32:05 < leofox> they finally have a decent new skin
17:41 < jr19> maybe it'd be better to ask in #physics ?
17:41 <@Andy_J> I hate it.
17:41 <@chronomex> thanks for all your work
17:42 < sir_lewk> yeah, the debroglie wavelenght is related to the mass but I don't know the velocity, only this stupid wave function :/
17:43 < sir_lewk> yeah, asking in #physics too
17:43 < sir_lewk> asking everywhere, you never know where a quantum mechanic may be lurking
17:43 < jr19> probably on freenode
17:43 < jr19> crazy freenoders
17:43 < sir_lewk> or if you do, then you don't know his momentum! D:
17:44 <@Andy_J> ba-dum-tish
17:44 <@E-J> i took "university physics"-book and i'm looking from there
17:44 < Tar1> fire up nethack, eat a yellow mold
17:44 < Tar1> you might find a quantum mechanic
17:45 < sir_lewk> :)
17:47 < leofox> Andy_J: it's better than the Opera 9,5 one
17:47 < jr19> i'm hungry
17:47 <@E-J> i'm somehow glad that i have used this book only for "looking good in bookshelf" and not for studying
17:49 < jr19> i think i only have two books at my apartment
17:49 <@E-J> sir_lewk: what's your wave function?
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17:58 < sir_lewk> E-J: weird"y"symbol(x)=Ae^(i(5.00x10^10 x)
17:58 < leofox> you mean gamma?
17:58 < sir_lewk> yeah
17:59 < sir_lewk> always forget what they're called
17:58 < leofox> I took greek
17:58 < leofox> it helps
17:59 < sir_lewk> ah, yeah
17:59 < leofox> I read it as a g
17:59 < leofox> so I find it weird when people call it an y, I guess
17:59 < leofox> just like the lambda in half life
18:00 < sir_lewk> I draw it vaguely like a Y, just extending the vertical part up more  *shrug*
18:00 < leofox> yeah it looks like an y
18:00 < leofox> I draw it like an y but with the tail straight down instead of to the left
18:01 < Randomist> ˠ
18:01 < Randomist> ([Ctrl]-[Shift]-2E0.)
18:02 < Randomist> And I forgot the [AltGr] for it.
18:04 < BrandonW> chronomex: considering that the signature in the 68k files IS Little Endian and RabbitSign claims to support signing 68k OSes and applications, I'm going to go ahead and make .key files for the other models as well.
18:04 < BrandonW> Which is the easiest way for others to use them.
18:05 < BrandonW> They should probably be distributed in that format from now on.
18:05 < BrandonW> (I'll still create text files)
18:05 < Randomist> Is someone still working on the TI-73 key, or are there enough?
18:05 < BrandonW> We're still on the 73 OS key I think.
18:06 < BrandonW> They had to re-upload the work units for it.
18:06 < BrandonW> Because the others had computation errors.
18:06 < Randomist> Ah.
18:09 < TD-Linux> for a slow root filesystem on flash memory, should I use ext2 or ext3?
18:10 < sir_lewk> I seem to be working on some sort of 84 key right now
18:10 < BrandonW> Yeah, the 84fa key.
18:10 < BrandonW> (84+ Flash application)
18:10 < sir_lewk> ya
18:10 < BrandonW> It's not necessary.
18:11 < sir_lewk> oh :(
18:11 < BrandonW> It's to sign 84+/SE-specific applications.
18:11 < BrandonW> We're striving to be complete now.
18:11 < BrandonW> And to finish off the 68k series app keys.
18:11 < BrandonW> We desperately need the 92+ app key.
18:11 < sir_lewk> gotcha
18:11 < BrandonW> Once we get that, we can create a valid anything for any model.
18:12 < sir_lewk> is there any for me to tell it to pick different jobs?
18:12 < BrandonW> No. :(
18:12 < Randomist> TD-Linux:  Ext2.
18:12 < BrandonW> I'm not sure what the status is on the 92+ app key, we might actually be done sieving.
18:12 < Randomist> You don't really want a jounaling filesystem on a Flash device, anyway.
18:13 < sir_lewk> ah
18:14 < Randomist> Also, if it is a Flash device, it will help to use the "noop" scheduler.
18:17 < BrandonW> We will have key #9 at 9AM Friday.
18:17 < BrandonW> If not earlier.
18:18 < BrandonW> (Voyage 200 app key, also not necessary)
18:18 < BrandonW> A couple of these might be hard to test.
18:18 < BrandonW> (89Ti, Voyage 200 app keys)
18:19 < BrandonW> Frankly I'm not even sure how to test the date stamp key.
18:19 < BrandonW> I don't think the OS validates it on a receiving application.
18:19 < BrandonW> Wait, maybe it does.
18:22  * Randomist goes off to change out some classes.
18:22 < BrandonW> It does validate it.
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18:23 < BrandonW> Ohhhhhhhh...
18:23 < BrandonW> It makes sense now how they validate based on time.
18:23 < BrandonW> That's what the date stamp key is for.
18:23 < BrandonW> It might take a little time to explain.
18:23  * BrandonW goes to work.
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18:30 <+krisk> hi guys
18:38 < leofox> hey kirsk
18:38 < leofox> guest what i got in the mail today
18:39 <+krisk> a bride?
18:40 < incubus> Has anyone had prolonged periods of insomnia with fatigue/exhaustion?
18:40 <@chronomex> a pipe
18:42 <+krisk> yay leofox has his bong
18:42 <+bsparks> I feel the need to go kick ATi in the balls
18:42 <+krisk> i guess
18:42 <+krisk> why bsparks?
18:42 <+krisk> I just ordered a 4870  1gb
18:43 <+bsparks> krisk, some douche over there at some point, decided that "hey, let's use a 7 pin mini-din connector that isn't standard. It'll accept an s-video plug, but not output s-video, so you have to buy the specalized cable that does component and composite out. fucker!" >_>
18:44 <+krisk> huh
18:44 <+krisk> for real?
18:44 <@chronomex> sounds like Sony
18:44 <+bsparks> http://pinouts.ru/Video/svideo_7pin_pinout.shtml
18:44 <@E-J> http://naurunappula.com/347828
18:44 <+bsparks> I have a 9800 Pro, and can't for the life of me, get s-video oit >_>
18:45 < leofox> E-J: seriously..
18:45 < leofox> I just have K:\XXX\
18:45 < leofox> it's probably the shortest folder name on my entire PC
18:46 <+krisk> what's wierd about movies ordered by ethnicity of their production offices and a folder for horse movies?
18:46 <@chronomex> heh
18:47 < leofox> hahaha
18:47 < leofox> i didnt even see the horses
18:49  * bsparks wants to grill some fish
18:54 <+bsparks> oh, BALLS, I have to reboot TOO? :(
18:54 <+krisk> lawlu
18:54 <+bsparks> every other video card I have owned, tv-out included, lets me hot pluh
18:54 <+bsparks> *plug
18:54 <+krisk> jup
18:55 <+krisk> what card is this?
18:55 <+bsparks> I have an ATi Radeon 9800 Pro in this right now
18:55 <+krisk> ah
18:55 <+bsparks> I can hot swap monitors fine too, that bugs me
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19:04 < jr19> lulz horses
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19:21 < efneTI92> [bsparks] http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/images/smilies/grayscale_drifter2.gif Parrot.
19:22 < bsparks> balls
19:22 < bsparks> balls balls BALLS
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19:24 < bsparks> fuck ATi
19:25 <+krisk> nou nou nou zo erg is het ook weer niet
19:25 < leofox> ja precies
19:25 < leofox> altijd weer meteen die scheldwoorden
19:25 < bsparks> english motherfuckers, SPEAK IT >_>
19:25 < leofox> Wat?
19:25 < bsparks> :p
19:25 < leofox> Spreken ze Engels in Wat?
19:26 < leofox> bloc party is feckin awesome
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19:28 <+krisk> wat party?
19:28 < leofox> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R6S5CJWlco
19:28 < leofox> bloccenfeestje
19:54 < jr19> feast
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20:28 < efneTI92> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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20:35 <+krisk> how are ya jr19
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20:38 < jr19> i'm doing alright, life is pretty boring right now :\
20:38 < jr19> gonna lift tonight assuming i have time
20:38 < jr19> what about you
20:39 <+krisk> cool
20:39 <+krisk> how is your back?
20:39 < jr19> its feeling a lot better
20:39 <+krisk> did the pad thing help?
20:39 < jr19> no
20:39 < jr19> only rest helped
20:40 < jr19> i also took ibuprofen and that seemed to dull the pain down a little bit
20:40 <+krisk> ah
20:40 < jr19> i last pitched on sunday, and i didnt really have back pain the next day or yesterday, just general soreness
20:41 <+krisk> nice
20:42 < jr19> yeah throwing makes it hard to do upper body lifts though, especially the next day
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20:46 <+krisk> i have decided eating 300 gram cheese per day is disgusting
20:47 <+krisk> so im going to substitute half of it with whey protein powder in my milk
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20:47 < jr19> wow
20:47 < jr19> that's a lot of cheese
20:47 <+krisk> 2x30 grams gives slightly more protein than the cheese does and costs the same per month
20:48 < jr19> its 30 grams per scoop?
20:48 <+krisk> typically yeah
20:48 <+krisk> some may be 25
20:48 < jr19> i think the stuff i had was 26g
20:48 < jr19> so fairly close
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20:48 <+krisk> well usually they make the scoop 45 grams and give it a line at 30 and then you have to account for purity (80-85%)
20:49 <+krisk> so 30 grams is prohbably 25ish grams of protein
20:49 <+JoeYoung> wtf
20:49 <+krisk> whey protein is a very nice kind of protein though, for sports
20:49 < jr19> yeah probably
20:49 < jr19> i've only had whey protein
20:50 < jr19> theres casein and stuff too isnt there
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20:50 <+krisk> yeah i suppose
20:54 < jr19> i'm not taking anything right now
20:54 < jr19> i did take some kre-alkalyn the other day
20:54 < jr19> though i dont know how i feel about it
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21:01 <+krisk> i <3 my phone
21:01 < jr19> yeah it looks really sweet
21:01 <+krisk> its like a tiny tiny laptop
21:02 <+krisk> i have 4gb memory in it now, no idea what to put on that but whatever
21:02 <+krisk> i should try out the usb headphones tomorrow
21:02 <+krisk> see if its any good for music playback
21:03 <+krisk> since it can stream online radio
21:04 < jr19> 4gb of memory or space?
21:04 <+krisk> flash card
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21:07 < jr19> ok
21:07 < jr19> i was gonna say, a phone with 4 gigs of RAM
21:08 <+krisk> eh its not like the type matters much on these things
21:08 < jr19> yeah
21:08 < jr19> i will probably get a new phone in november or december
21:08 < jr19> maybe a blackberry tour
21:08 < jr19> since its about the only decent thing that will be provided by my carrier
21:09 <+krisk> cool
21:11 < jr19> we have a couple HTC phones, but nothing really noteworthy
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21:21 <+krisk> cool my phone is now streaming triplag.com radio
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21:24 <+krisk> sounds nice too (with bassboost at max)
21:24 <+Netham45> my phone used to stream Hulu, until Hulu blocked AT&T as proxies. >.>
21:24 <+krisk> :(
21:24 <+krisk> hulu is for americans only
21:24 <+krisk> :(
21:25 <+krisk> i can watch youtube hd vids though
21:25 <+krisk> i guess i could set up my pc to host streams of all my downloaded movies/series
21:25 <+krisk> reencoded @ 800*480
21:25 < jr19> i can watch youtube regular on my phone :\
21:26 < jr19> i'll probably get the Tour for sure when it comes out
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21:26 < efneTI92> [Netham46] "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." -Scissors
21:26 < jr19> my phone is like a semi-smart phone with nothing but boringness
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21:26 <+krisk> what do you have now?
21:27 < jr19> samsung delve
21:27 <+Netham46> I have a Samsung Blackjack II
21:27 <+Netham46> winmo 6.1
21:27 < jr19> my phone is neutered
21:27 <+Netham46> waiting on a 6.5 rom release. =/
21:29 <+krisk> mine has 6.5 rom available on xda-developers.com
21:29 <+krisk> should I get it?
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21:29 <+Netham46> not sure, I havn't used 6.5 before.
21:29 <+krisk> me neither, idk what's new in it
21:30 <+Netham46> last I checked, someone was making a ROM for it, but I don't think anything came of it.
21:30 <+krisk> oh shucks the usb headset isnt one of those 3.5mm pluggables
21:30 <+krisk> guess ill have to order one of those and a spare battery
21:31 <+krisk> i'll stick with 6.1
21:31 < jr19> no bluetooth headset?
21:31 <+krisk> didnt come with one no
21:32 < jr19> i bought a cheap one at walmart to use with my ps3 awhile back...
21:32 < jr19> i could use it with my phone too but i never do
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21:33 <+Netham46> I have bluetooth headphones, I love 'em.
21:34 <+krisk> well i mention it because i want better quality sound than these earplugs that came with it
21:34 <+krisk> more basssss
21:34 <+krisk> dont think you get that with bluetooth headphones?
21:35 <+Netham46> mine have excellent sound
21:36 <+krisk> what about the battery?
21:36 <+Netham46> about a day on standby, 5 or 6 hours listening to music.
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21:37 <+krisk> two ears?
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21:37 < efneTI92> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
21:38 <+Netham45> krisk, yes.
21:38 < jr19> lulz two ears
21:39 < jr19> i guess you could listen to music in one ear but that'd be annoying
21:39 <+Netham45> krisk, the ones I have have excellent sound, better than most wired headphones I've heard.
21:39 <+Netham45> I have a pair of Samsung Headphones.
21:41 <+krisk> link?
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21:43 <+Netham45> hmm
21:43 <+Netham45> my headphones totally don't have a model number on them
21:44 <+Netham45> krisk, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9056282&st=samsung+bluetooth&lp=5&type=product&cp=1&id=1218013775800
21:44 <+Netham45> that's what I have.
21:48 <+krisk> hmm im not a great fan of behind teh neck headphones but they look decent
21:48 <+krisk> would be nice if it was adjustable
21:48 <+krisk> but few ever are
21:48 <+krisk> i think my head is wierd
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21:48 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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21:49 < jr19> why
21:49 <+krisk> behind the neck headphones never fit me
21:50 < TheStorm> krisk, same here, nto that I ever wanted them to begin with
21:50 < TheStorm> not*
21:52 < jr19> i dont really like headphones period
21:52 <+krisk> yeah
21:52 < jr19> the ones that go behind my neck fit me fine though
21:52 < jr19> but after awhile my ears get irritated
21:53 <+krisk> well i mean theres a lot of empty space between my head and the band
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21:57 <+krisk> http://www.jaybirdgear.com/black_img/workswith-large.jpg  lol i wonder who they have marketing deals with
21:59 <+krisk> Sony-Ericsson HBH-DS220  looks nice
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22:54 < Grue`> Woo! Just over a day until I leave for Dragon*Con!
22:56 < TheStorm> what would you guys suggest for DVD Ripping software?
22:57 <@Andy_J> handbrake
22:58 < TheStorm> Thanks
22:59 < TheStorm> I'm surprised I've never heard of this before it looks pretty nice, much better than most of the other free rippers I've seen
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23:00 <@Andy_J> I think it's a front-end to decss and ffmpeg but I'm not sure
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23:00 < efneTI92> [Randomist] CAUTION:  Exposure to this user may cause neurological damage.
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23:00 < millinao> woo, 79 work credits
23:00 < TheStorm> Andy_J, it seems like it's more than that
23:00 <@Andy_J> efneTI92: really? then let's fix that.
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23:02 < TheStorm> Andy_J, it seems it uses many different media Libraries
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23:06 < TheStorm> But it appears to be much more complete than even some of the more expensive Media Encoders/Dvd Rippers :)
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23:33 < BrandonW> V200 app key noon tomorrow, I think.
23:34 < TheStorm> Cool
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23:35 < TheStorm> I'd offer my Machince for the final step of one of the key's if it wern't so prone to tripped circuit breakers
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23:37 < BrandonW> I'm sure now, the French people have no idea we have 8 factors.
23:38 < TheStorm> ?
23:38 < BrandonW> They think we only have 6 or 7.
23:39 < TheStorm> what difference does it make?
23:39 < BrandonW> We have factors that the leaders of the BOINC project don't even know about?
23:40 < TheStorm> I don't totally understand the math behind the keys so that doesn't mean a lot to me, I really should try and figure that stuff out someday
23:41 < BrandonW> This has nothing to do with math.
23:41 < BrandonW> I'm just saying, we have more results than they do.
23:41 < BrandonW> And they're the ones in charge of the project.
23:41 < TheStorm> ahh ok
23:43 < BrandonW> It's hard to understand but I think we might have enough relations for the 84+ app key.
23:43 < TheStorm> ok cool, what next then?
23:43 < BrandonW> The 92+ app key is still the most important.
23:43 < BrandonW> And the only one we absolutely need.
23:44 < BrandonW> The 73 OS key is still sieving.
23:44 < BrandonW> As I understand it.
23:44 < BrandonW> I really have no idea where we're at with the 92+ app key.
23:45 < TheStorm> So the 68k's all have their own app key's, there isn't a universal one?
23:45 < BrandonW> The "common" ones are the 89 and 92+ app keys (and we have the 89 key), which is why the 92+ one is so important. The 89Ti and V200 app keys are for 89Ti-specific and V200-specific apps (like the 84+ 010A app key).
23:46 < BrandonW> So 89-signed apps work on the 89Ti and 92+-signed apps work on the V200.
23:47 < Barrett> http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Don_t_ask_3
23:47 < Randomist> * keys
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23:55 <+Netham45> lol, Barrett.
23:56 <+Netham45> Barrett, I think he might be screwing with you
23:56 <+Netham45> or he tastes really good with french fries.
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