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00:00 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v DarkLord_] by etaonrish
00:03 < i_c-Y> JoeYoung_ is a bit young, krisk 
00:03 < i_c-Y> he doesnt remember how successful the NES, SNES and N64 were.
00:03 < i_c-Y> gamecube was a failure for the most part, but still...
00:04 <+JoeYoung_> >_>
00:04 <+JoeYoung_> well, the gamecube sort of WAS my frame of reference.
00:04 <+krisk> and what about noncasual games? from nintendo?
00:04 <+JoeYoung_> I remember the N64 and Gameboy being popular though, sort of o_O
00:04 < Randomist> Damn new-agers.  :P
00:06 <+JoeYoung_> sorry :(
00:06 <+JoeYoung_> So how old does that make the rest of you?
00:07 < bsparks> 20
00:07 <+krisk> 22
00:07 <@Andy_J> 23
00:08 <+krisk> we are missing 1
00:08 < bsparks> JoeYoung_, don't let krisk fool you. He's only 22 in metric age.
00:08 <+krisk> correct
00:08 <+JoeYoung_> metric age?
00:08 < bsparks> 10 months per yet, etc
00:09 -!- Randomist is now known as rand
00:10 < _Auron|G1> I turn 21 next month
00:10 <+JoeYoung_> well, I'm 18 in err.... non-metric years.
00:10 <+glk> I just turned 77
00:10  * rand dreads September 22nd. | glk:  Wow.
00:11 <+glk> I  defend TI-89calculators
00:11 <+glk> http://grahamkendall.net/  in Math
00:12 < rand> What is it like to be that old?
00:12 <+JoeYoung_> 77 is a lucky number
00:13 <+glk> I like having experience in many areas
00:13 < rand> I extremily highly doubt I'll make it to that age.
00:14 < rand> Bad things run in the genetics of my family.
00:14 <+glk> Lay off alcohol and tobacco
00:14 <+JoeYoung_> AIDS
00:15 < rand> Not *that* bad.  :P  And, well, half my family, anyway.  I don't know about the other half.
00:16 < i_c-Y> it disturbs me that krisk is older than me
00:18 < _Auron|G1> glub glub
00:19 < rand> Drowning there?
00:40 <+krisk> hey isnt having multie pcs with multiple hd tv's hooked up to them > consoles?
00:44 <+krisk> JoeYoung_: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/612921/6ea505c6/nintendo,_wat_is_dat_.html
00:45 <+JoeYoung_> krisk, your link is attempting to stall shit on me
00:45 <+krisk> wat
00:45 <+JoeYoung_> *install
00:45 <+krisk> nonsense
00:45 <+JoeYoung_> truth
00:46 <+krisk> you dont have a flash player plugin thing?
00:48 <+JoeYoung_> No, it was malware
00:49 <+krisk> wat
00:53 < rand> Flash is only malware if it still has security hole it it.
00:53 <+krisk> it isnt coming from that site.
00:53 <+krisk> this is like one of the biggest most visited sites in this country
00:54 <+JoeYoung_> yeah, it might have come from another tab
00:54 <+JoeYoung_> but the warnings coincided with me opening this link, so :/
00:54 <+JoeYoung_> I freaked out a bit
00:54 < rand> Are you using Internet Explorer or something?
00:54 <+JoeYoung_> FireRox
00:54 <+JoeYoung_> hmm
00:55 <+JoeYoung_> you knew what I meant.
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01:04 < Spengo> fuck yes
01:04 < Spengo> I tricked that fucken cisco again
01:04 < Spengo> took me a few hours this time :/
01:05 < Spengo> anyway, back in the dorm... school starts monday
01:05 < i_c-Y> John Elway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01:05 < i_c-Y> John Albert Elway, Jr. (born June 28, 1960) is an alien and a retired American football quarterback. He played his college football at Stanford and his ...
01:05 <+krisk> from space?
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01:11 < efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin.
01:11 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o _Auron_] by efneTI86
01:12 < _3fg> hey, it's been a long time since I did this...how do I ident to the botnet
01:12 <+krisk> /msg efneti86 yo
01:12 <@_Auron_> /msg bot ident pass
01:12 <@_Auron_> /msg bot ident pass username*
01:12 < _3fg> hm, I'm not sure what my username or pass is anymore
01:13 <@_Auron_> heh
01:13 <@_Auron_> how've you been?
01:13 < _3fg> I can't remember if it knows me as _3fg_ or _3_F_G_ or what
01:13 < _3fg> pretty good
01:13 <+krisk> !seen _3fg_
01:13 <@efneTI86> I found 5 matches to your query (sorted): _3fg treefingu _3fg_ Zophell Noeone. _3fg (~admin@cpe-76-182-207-178.tx.res.rr.com) was last seen changing nicks from treefingu on #tcpa 9 minutes ago. _3fg is still there.
01:13 <+krisk> probably that one then
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01:14 < _3fg> oh thanks
01:14 < _3fg> fine jeez
01:14 -!- _3fg is now known as Paul_B
01:15 < Paul_B> D:
01:15 < Paul_B> fine, forget it you silly bot
01:17 < i_c-Y> wow. theres a nickname i havent seen in a long time.
01:18 -!- Paul_B is now known as _3fg
01:18 <@_Auron_> Paul_B: did you got to quakecon this year?
01:18 < _3fg> no
01:18 < _3fg> I was going to
01:18 <@_Auron_> ah
01:18 < _3fg> but at the last minute all my friends bailed
01:18 <@_Auron_> the power went out on that saturday
01:18 < _3fg> damn
01:18 <@_Auron_> for like 10 seconds
01:18 <@_Auron_> it was amusing
01:18 < _3fg> that actually sounds fun
01:18 < _3fg> yeah
01:19 <@_Auron_> I published Stroids to the android market at the beginning of the month btw
01:19 < _3fg> sweet
01:19 < _3fg> got a link to screenshots?
01:19 <@_Auron_> been doing android development
01:19 <@_Auron_> http://darkauron.dyshost.com/Android/Stroids
01:19 < bsparks> holy shit it's _Auron_ 
01:19 < bsparks> err
01:19 < bsparks> _3fg, 
01:19 < _3fg> hi
01:20 < _3fg> I was googling my name and saw a recent topic on maxcoderz
01:20 < _3fg> that mentioned me
01:20 < _3fg> and I was like "I miss those guys"
01:20 -!- mathnest [~jmpazerec@pool-72-80-174-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa
01:20 < mathnest> I have a weird question does anybody here know where you can get the ti-84 plus silver edition program that is like having a ti-84 plus silver edition on your pc
01:20 <@_Auron_> yeah we're still here
01:20 < bsparks> _3fg, I actually mentioned you the other day to DSP_Lord 
01:20 < _3fg> mathnest like an emulator?
01:21 < mathnest> yes
01:21 < _3fg> there's a few
01:21 < _3fg> I don't know which is best these days but I was always fond of Wabbitemu
01:21 < mathnest> where do I get it
01:22 < _3fg> that's a good question
01:22 < _3fg> http://group.revsoft.org/wabbitemu.exe
01:23 < _3fg> I hope that's the most recent one
01:23 <@_Auron_> or http://www.revsoft.org/wabbitemu.zip
01:23 < _3fg> what is the emu of choice now?
01:23 < bsparks> I like the bird
01:23 < bsparks> just sayin :)
01:23 < _3fg> bird?
01:24 < Ander> I think Wabbit is the only one being worked on.
01:24 < bsparks> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu
01:24 -!- Ander is now known as DrDnar
01:24 < _3fg> haha
01:24 < DrDnar> Even that is mostly static these days, far as I can tell.
01:25 < j-b-r> It's already quite good though
01:25 < _3fg> I've heard spencer is doing xbox360 dev now
01:25 < j-b-r> Much improved over the days of VTI and the TI flash debugger
01:25  * _Auron_ needs a job :/
01:25 < _3fg> me too
01:26 < mathnest> I downloaded wabbit and now it is asking for a rom huh
01:26 < _3fg> yes
01:26 <@_Auron_> you have to have a rom for the calculator you want to emulate
01:26 < _3fg> it's illegal to distribute the rom image
01:26 <+JoeYoung_> mathnest: do you own a calculator in real life?
01:26 < Spengo> onoz illegal
01:27 < mathnest> yes a ti-84 plus silver teacher edition
01:27 < Spengo> we aren't allowed to point you to download links
01:27 < Spengo> however
01:27 < DrDnar> Teacher edition?
01:27 < Spengo> you *might* just be able to find an image on bittorrent... not that we know that you can or would support you downloading it
01:27 <+JoeYoung_> the school-bus yellow calc
01:27 < Spengo> because that would be illegal and nobody here would do that
01:27 < Spengo> definitely not
01:27 <+JoeYoung_> never in a million years
01:27 < _3fg> ;)
01:28 <+JoeYoung_> cause I'm not a complete pirate, and stuff
01:28 < mathnest> nope gray calc with the ti presentor port
01:28 <@_Auron_> main [C: 72.94/298.08GB 24.47% free] - [E: 0/0GB 0% free] - [N: 0/0GB 0% free] - Storage [S: 40.29/465.76GB 8.65% free] - Vids [V: 59.21/698.64GB 8.48% free] - Warehouse [W: 84.24/931.51GB 9.04% free] - [Total: 256.68/2393.99GB 10.72% free]
01:28 <@_Auron_> me either.
01:28 < DrDnar> mathnest,  ti-84 plus silver teacher edition
01:28 < _3fg> brb
01:28 <+JoeYoung_> who DID NOT buy the TPB T-Shirt
01:28 < DrDnar> er
01:28 < DrDnar> mathnest, http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/373/37341.html
01:29 < bsparks> Spengo, CATCH! http://cache-foo-01.gawkerassets.com/gawker/assets/images/4/2009/08/504x_500x_c399_tactical_canned_bacon.jpg
01:30 < Spengo> bsparks, yeah lol
01:30 <+JoeYoung_> bacon in a cann?
01:30 < Spengo> the company that made those is the same place I bought the upper from my AR from
01:30 < Spengo> JoeYoung_, it's a joke, I'm one of those survivalist gun lover dudes
01:31 <+JoeYoung_> :/
01:31 < Spengo> it's real though, you can actually buy it
01:31 < Spengo> cmmginc.com
01:31 <+JoeYoung_> I went to a gun show once.
01:31 < Spengo> gun show prices are bloated, I usually don't buy things there unless I spot a really good deal
01:32 < Spengo> sometimes you can get cheap magazines
01:32 <+JoeYoung_> They checked my driver's license and charge 45$ for admission.
01:32 < Spengo> WTF
01:32 < Spengo> that's terrible
01:32 <+JoeYoung_> and i didn't even buy anything :/
01:32 < Spengo> the one in portland happens every month and is $8 to get in
01:32 < Spengo> and the only checking they do is make sure your gun is unloaded if you bring any in
01:32 <+JoeYoung_> yeah, I went to another one in houston ad it was free.
01:32 <+JoeYoung_> *and
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02:00 < DrDnar> Has anyone ever replaced the backup battery in his calc?
02:00 < bsparks> http://www.playauditorium.com/
02:00 < DrDnar> According to the manual: "Replace the silver oxide battery every three or four years."
02:02 < i_c-Y> auditorium is fun
02:02 < i_c-Y> i played the free levels
02:02 < _3fg> are status nicks allowed in #tcoa
02:02 < _3fg> tcpa
02:03 < i_c-Y> no
02:03 < _3fg> didn't think so
02:03 < _3fg> I'm heading out for the evening
02:03 < _3fg> good night
02:04 < i_c-Y> night
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02:06 <+JoeYoung_> wtf?
02:06 < bsparks> this game is very visually appealing
02:07 <+JoeYoung_> a RAR containing a RAR containing a FOLDER containing a ZIP containing a RAR containg a FOLDER containing a RAR with the file in it.
02:07 <@_Auron_> what game bsparks?
02:07 < bsparks> _Auron_, http://www.playauditorium.com/
02:12 -!- BrandonW_ is now known as BrandonW
02:12 < BrandonW> DrDnar: I've never replaced it because I noticed it was completely depleted, no.
02:13 < BrandonW> But I've replaced many over the years.
02:13 < BrandonW> For the older calculators with flat batteries, I used to tape a second one on the inside of the slidecase just in case.
02:13 < BrandonW> I was prepared back in the day.
02:14 <@_Auron_> oh yeah, it is
02:14 <@_Auron_> I've played it before
02:14 <+JoeYoung_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V26UCDH4bQk&feature=related
02:14 < DrDnar> They might maintain enough of a surface charge that you can still change batteries safely.
02:16 < DrDnar> From their web site: We would also like to thank:
02:16 < DrDnar> Stephanie Harlow - sexy life support
02:16 < DrDnar> Matt Millazzo - naughty pictures
02:19 < rand> <boredom> http://wintervenom.brandonw.net/Scott%20Garrett%20-%20ALSA%20Speaker%20Test%20(WIP).ogg </boredom>
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02:23 <+JoeYoung_> DrDnar, Stephanie HARLOT
02:23 < incubus> leofox, you there?
02:23 < incubus> BrandonW, you there?
02:23 < DrDnar> ?
02:24 <+JoeYoung_> lol
02:24 < incubus> I hate you all for not joining the BOINC RSA Lattice project
02:24 < BrandonW> incubus, yes.
02:24 < BrandonW> Okay fine, I'll VNC into my bedroom PC and set it up (I built it for that purpose).
02:24 < incubus> BrandonW, You need up update your webpage, and try to keep us posted on any new cracked keys
02:24 < incubus> nice
02:24 < BrandonW> Update it to say what?
02:25 < incubus> $04 Cracked
02:25 < incubus> or whatever the latest one was
02:25 < DrDnar> 04 was the first
02:25 < incubus> $0A then
02:25 < TheStorm> $0A  was the most recent ont
02:25 < TheStorm> one*
02:25 < BrandonW> When 0102 comes out, I'll post more stuff.
02:26 < incubus> #tcpa has a measley 2 members
02:26 < BrandonW> That marks the end of the significant z80 keys.
02:26 < incubus> nice
02:26 < incubus> how many non-significant z80 keys are there? more than 10?
02:27 < DrDnar> TI gave us the key for TI-83+ apps, so there's the key for the 73 OS and 73 apps, and that's about all I can think of.
02:29 < TheStorm> there are also the 68k key's
02:29 < incubus> those are being searched also
02:30 < BrandonW> Yes, 73 OS, 84+-specific apps, and the date stamp keys which no one at all knows about (I'm going to send it to the project leaders tonight).
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02:30 < incubus> nice
02:30 < BrandonW> The last big mystery I would love to solve is the calculator ID-specific public keys.
02:30 < BrandonW> I have no clue what they are.
02:30 < BrandonW> We each have one, so it's not practical or meaningful to factor them.
02:31 < BrandonW> I firmly believe it's based on the calc ID.
02:31 < BrandonW> Either that or TI has a gigantor database of them.
02:32 < incubus> :(
02:32 < incubus> I hate unsolved mysteries
02:32 < BrandonW> Either they have a database of matching IDs/keys, or it's calculated using an algorithm we couldn't even begin to guess.
02:32 < BrandonW> So I don't see it ever being figured out.
02:32 < BrandonW> And it's quite frankly the key to certificate updates.
02:33 < TheStorm> incubus, I'll start as soon as I reboot this comp, I can't seem to get the linux version of bonic to work on my server
02:33 < BrandonW> But fortunately, nothing has ever in the history of the TI community attempted to validate the signature attached to a certificate update.
02:33 < BrandonW> It could be done (by TI or whoever), but like I said, never been done.
02:34 <+Netham45> woo-hoo, 16th on the boinc project. I'm the highest ticalc.org group member.
02:34 < TheStorm> lol
02:34 < BrandonW> And if TI actually started checking it, we would of course patch the check...
02:35 < BrandonW> And then they'd do something against that...
02:35 < BrandonW> And we'd do something against that...
02:35 < BrandonW> And so on.
02:35 < BrandonW> But we can now patch and re-sign anything they release, so there's that.
02:36 < BrandonW> They could of course then check their own signatures...
02:36 < BrandonW> AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!
02:36 < BrandonW> Forever cat-and-mouse.
02:37 < i_c-Y> i think the're taking this calculator defense thing too seriously
02:37 < TheStorm> ^
02:37 <+Netham45> yea, it's not like TI gives a fuck about us hacking the calcs anyways.
02:37 < i_c-Y> if they really didnt want it broken they shouldnt have used 512 bit RSA and done a good job fixing their other code anyway
02:37 < TheStorm> they obiously care about the Nspire
02:37 <+Netham45> their market is people buying them to use in school, not us hacking them. They don't care what *we* do to our calcs.
02:38 < i_c-Y> they care enough to send BrandonW a DCMA notice
02:38 <+Netham45> they did?
02:38 <+Netham45> did I miss something
02:38 <+Netham45> ?
02:38 < TheStorm> i_c-Y, when they released the 83+ 512bit wasn't feasably crackable
02:39 < TheStorm> Netham45, read brandonw.net once in a while
02:39 < i_c-Y> the 83+ was released in 1999, TheStorm 
02:39 < TheStorm> oh nvm then
02:40 < i_c-Y> 512 bit rSA was already cracked on a cluster then. not to mention that all you had to do was to account for a few years of hardware improvement.
02:41 < BrandonW> Let's just think about this, they used 512-bit RSA AND a lot of Flash locking/unlocking/permission security, not to mention this whole certificate and calculator public key deal. They came up with an ingenious and damn good security system for all this, and for a calculator, which was pretty darn overkill. And they did successfully sell $7 and $15 Flash applications for many years.
02:41 < BrandonW> They sold them until they got tired of it and quit, long before we cracked a single key.
02:41 < BrandonW> If they weren't such shitty coders, we'd still be stuck at Flash unlocking.
02:41 < BrandonW> So them being idiots was their downfall from the very beginning.
02:42 < BrandonW> There is all sorts of crap in place that they never even USED.
02:43 < BrandonW> And they don't pay real attention or they'd be able to patch the Flash unlock exploits.
02:43 < BrandonW> Which is why I keep the Nspire emulator exploits secret.
02:43 < BrandonW> Because they most certainly do care enough to fix them.
02:43 < i_c-Y> just biding your time?
02:44 < TheStorm> biding his time till they are useful
02:44 < BrandonW> I mean this 010A key has never ONCE been used by them, not ONCE. It allows for 84+-specific Flash applications.
02:44 < BrandonW> They don't even use it for USB applications.
02:44 < TheStorm> which would make sence
02:45 < TheStorm> BrandonW, you could use that to sign usb8x, msd8x and etc
02:45 < BrandonW> As soon as we break it, yes.
02:45 < BrandonW> The project leaders don't even have the public key yet.
02:45 < TheStorm> ahh ok
02:46 < BrandonW> There is all sorts of crap you can put in the app headers.
02:46 < BrandonW> Which has never been used.
02:46 < BrandonW> You can have trial apps expire based on a certain date.
02:46 < BrandonW> Or number of executions.
02:46 < BrandonW> You can use TI's default splash screen.
02:46 < BrandonW> You can place restrictions based on the OS major/minor version.
02:46 < BrandonW> You can set the default CPU speed.
02:47 < BrandonW> FROM THE APP HEADER
02:47 <@Andy_J> how exactly would the "certain date" work?
02:47 < BrandonW> All kinds of stuff.
02:47 < BrandonW> The...clock hardware?
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02:47 < TheStorm> they basically over engineered their setup and then forgot about most of it
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02:47 <@Andy_J> I mean on the 83+
02:47 < TheStorm> ^
02:47 < BrandonW> It wouldn't.
02:47 <@Andy_J> I know it was supported way back on that
02:47 <@Andy_J> in the header
02:47 < BrandonW> Not oncalc, anyway.
02:47 <@Andy_J> the clock hardware is hardly reliable for licensing
02:48 < BrandonW> Anything is reliable when no one has a clue how it works.
02:48 < BrandonW> Or how to defeat it.
02:48 < BrandonW> There's all sorts of OS logic yet to be understood.
02:48 < BrandonW> It does check trial apps for expiration a lot.
02:48 < BrandonW> TI Connect may trigger it by silent linking.
02:48 < BrandonW> It may be the original purpose of sending EVERYTHING back in directory requests.
02:49 < BrandonW> I mean who knows.
02:49 < BrandonW> That's why there's still much research to be done.
02:49 < BrandonW> Our job is not done.
02:49 < BrandonW> Remote app deletion most certainly is possible.
02:49 < BrandonW> It's in the silent link handler.
02:50 < BrandonW> Probably always has been.
02:50 < TheStorm> now that you can resign OS's its much easier to test things
02:50 <@Andy_J> easy, always put batteries that are weak enough that it can't erase flash in when you link with a computer
02:50 <@Andy_J> and link through another calc to send other stuff to it
02:50 < BrandonW> I highly recommend that since we can do that, we come up with some sort of custom versioning system.
02:51 < BrandonW> It does a shitload of checks in _ExecuteApp, you aren't going to be executing it if it's expired.
02:51 <@Andy_J> not if it can't check the time
02:51 < Tari> that was fun
02:51 < Tari> someone needed to get into something where they forgot their password
02:51 < BrandonW> Andy_J, this may be why it was never used. Who knows.
02:52 < Tari> but knew the three keys of the characters they had forgotten, but not the shift state associated with each or the order
02:52 < Tari> (so it could be nOm or MnO or whatever)
02:52 < BrandonW> This sparks all sort of debate about the ethicality of modifying the TI-OS.
02:52 < Tari> I hacked something up to write all 48 possibilities to a file, so he could print that out and brute-force it
02:53 < BrandonW> Because even without these keys, we've already reached a point (we meaning at least me) that there are things we want to do that aren't practical just by patches.
02:53 < BrandonW> Which is why I started OS2.
02:53 <@Andy_J> The calculator itself doesn't present a license the first time you turn it on
02:53 <@Andy_J> therefore you can do whatever the hell you want with it
02:53 < BrandonW> I have a DMCA notice that begs to differ.
02:53 < BrandonW> They have a major issue with modifying "copyrighted TI-83 Plus operating system software."
02:53 <@Andy_J> Dissemination *how* to do it is a violation of DMCA, yes
02:53 <@Andy_J> but doing it yourself in and of itself is fine
02:54 < BrandonW> I'm pretty sure they're vehemently against even that, but of course it can't be proven and it's just one person so they can bite me.
02:56 < BrandonW> Producing a viable third-party OS independent of their code will go a long way towards this fight.
02:56 < BrandonW> So this is even more important now.
02:56 < TheStorm> BrandonW, your sounding more like the Wii Homebrew Guys that you've already said you disagree with :P
02:57 < BrandonW> TI can bite me, I'm still going to patch the hell out of the TI-OS...I'm not against this separate open-source do-everything-the-right-way branch.
02:57 < BrandonW> But I'm against having it be the only way.
02:57 < TheStorm> lol ok
02:58 < BrandonW> I've cracked and uploaded Zoom Algebra / Zoom Math cracks.
02:58 < TheStorm> The new version :)
02:58 < BrandonW> If this were 5-10 years ago, I'd be re-signing paid apps.
02:58 < TheStorm> woot
02:59 < TheStorm> are they in crap or calcstuff?
02:59 < BrandonW> I'm not preaching cracking-is-wrong or any of that shit.
02:59 < BrandonW> Like some communities do.
02:59 < BrandonW> I hate those people.
02:59 < i_c-Y> what kind of protection was on zoomalgebra/zoommath?
02:59 < BrandonW> A lot.
02:59 < BrandonW> Because that guy is smart.
03:00 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/crap/ I think TheStorm.
03:00 < TheStorm> lol, well the Wii HomeBrew People are more no destributing copywrited code
03:00 < BrandonW> Have you heard my ZoomAlgebra cracking rant, i_c-Y?
03:00 < i_c-Y> if i say yes, will you not repeat it?
03:00 < BrandonW> You're the one that asked.
03:00 < BrandonW> I'm just trying to decide how far to go.
03:01 < i_c-Y> i did hear a bunch of comments on it a long time ago from you.
03:01 < BrandonW> He has his own scary custom implementation of serial keys and validation and stuff. Jump points in his code are calculated from portions of the key.
03:01 < BrandonW> So you can generate false positives and crash from them.
03:01 < BrandonW> from using them.*
03:01 < BrandonW> It's extremely difficult to brute-force.
03:01 < i_c-Y> nice.
03:02 < BrandonW> I have a single valid key / calc ID combination, and I patch his single code block for retrieving the calc ID from the certificate and change it to a hard-coded value.
03:03 < BrandonW> So that the same key works on any calculator.
03:03 < BrandonW> And I do the same thing to Zoom Math because Zoom Math will unlock itself if you have an unlocked Zoom Algebra oncalc.
03:03 < BrandonW> I didn't even bother to disassemble all of it.
03:03 < TheStorm> heh nice
03:04 < BrandonW> So his ignorance of calc-specific stuff is his weakness.
03:04 < BrandonW> The man's a freaking z80 genius, though.
03:05 < TD-Linux> BrandonW, the folks at #wiidev are quite strict about DMCA (it's Nintendo after all) but I believe key distribution is legal
03:05 < TD-Linux> you came up with the keys in an independent manner
03:05 < TD-Linux> that can be proven
03:05 < TheStorm> yeah the key's they allow
03:05 < TD-Linux> what don't they allow then?
03:05 < TheStorm> Warez
03:05 <@Andy_J> key districution is exactly what the DMCA forbids
03:05 < BrandonW> I have every intention of uploading .key files to /calcstuff/ for use in RabbitSign, relax.
03:06 < TD-Linux> Andy_J, it doesn't forbid it
03:06 < BrandonW> TI obviously doesn't check that directory.
03:06 < BrandonW> Because if they did, the entire site would be down by now. :)
03:06 <@Andy_J> it forbids making ways to get around copy protection
03:06 < TD-Linux> Andy_J, can you point to that section please?
03:06 < TheStorm> TI just doesn't want them to be google able
03:06 <@Andy_J> distributing the keys thereof is doing so
03:06 < TD-Linux> signing your own OSes does not get around copy protection
03:06  * _Auron_ slams head into wall
03:06 < TD-Linux> note that #wiidev people can sign their own stuff using a bug in the signature check algorithm
03:06 <@Andy_J> TD-Linux: distributing the key to get around the copy protection ... gets around the copy protection
03:06 < TD-Linux> legallly
03:07 < TD-Linux> Andy_J, but it's not copy protection
03:07 < TD-Linux> blocking 3rd party OSes is not copy protection
03:07 <@Andy_J> hmm
03:07 < BrandonW> The same method allows for both, which is the problem.
03:07 <@Andy_J> you have a point
03:07 < BrandonW> It's a matter of intent.
03:07 < TD-Linux> it allows for it
03:07 < TD-Linux> but it doesn't do it
03:07 <@Andy_J> and so does Brandon
03:07 <@Andy_J> It depends ont he judge.
03:07 <@Andy_J> The internet allows for child porn, but the internet is legal.
03:08 < TD-Linux> indeed that
03:08 < TD-Linux> s why the folks on #wiidev are safe
03:08 < TD-Linux> however they do enable warezloaders
03:08 < TD-Linux> they even wrote some software that has been misused for it
03:08 <@Andy_J> I still would be weary
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03:08 < BrandonW> Up until now, despite the fact that we can put our own OSes or even modified TI-OSes on there, they are NOT easily transferrable to other calculators because it would never validate from the boot code.
03:08 <@Andy_J> consult a lawyer
03:08 <@_Auron_> a storage unit is legal but marijuana stored in it is not
03:08 < TD-Linux> but the people that write the loaders are the ones that get pwned by Nintendo, not the exploit writers
03:08 < TheStorm> cough*comex*cough
03:09 < TD-Linux> and bushing
03:09 < TD-Linux> bushing and comex are both in US right?
03:09 < TheStorm> well comex's notdvdx has been the worset
03:09 < TD-Linux> don't forget about patchmii
03:09 < BrandonW> This is the first time that we can finally redistribute the TI-OS as we see fit. I could put the destroy code in the TI-OS if you go to a certain menu, re-sign it, and upload it as an 8XU on my site and tell people to download it.
03:09 < BrandonW> No way to stop it.
03:09 < BrandonW> Or validate it.
03:09 < TD-Linux> and the USB2 module
03:10 < TheStorm> true, but notdvdx allows new wii's to be downgraded
03:10 < TD-Linux> BrandonW, as long as you don't distribute the TI-OS you are ok
03:10 < TD-Linux> make sure you only do patches
03:10 < TD-Linux> backup the TI-OS, run program to patch it, redownload it.
03:10 < BrandonW> I think I am going to distribute the destroy code.
03:10 <@Andy_J> binary patches are still a gray area
03:10 < i_c-Y> remember, you guys are not lawyers :)
03:10 < i_c-Y> and TI has em should push come to shove
03:10 < TD-Linux> i_c-Y, no, but I'm using mostly-proven examples
03:10 <@Andy_J> you have to distribute the protected code that you're replacingas part of the patch
03:11 < i_c-Y> TD-Linux: yeah, but theres a problem with that
03:11 < TD-Linux> Andy_J, no you don't
03:11 < i_c-Y> that would be using logic, and logic clearly fails when copyright law is involved.
03:11 < TheStorm> In BrandonW's case its jsut HEX :P
03:11 < TD-Linux> there are such things as binary offsets and hashes
03:11 <@Andy_J> TD-Linux: you do, unless you don't want to be able to have patches stack
03:11 < BrandonW> I would love to see TI try to fix a calculator bricked the way I did it.
03:11 < TD-Linux> patches should never shift code around anyway
03:11 <@Andy_J> or require a certain patch order and have all of them
03:11 < TD-Linux> Andy_J, even binary offset patches can stack
03:11 < TD-Linux> and go in any order
03:11 < TD-Linux> as long as they don't modify the same area
03:11 <@_Auron_> okay wtf is file transfers acting as if my harddrives are 4200RPM?
03:11 <@Andy_J> TD-Linux: assuming length doesn't change
03:12 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: what if TI made you a job offer to work on calculators? 
03:12 < TD-Linux> Andy_J, changing length would be stupid
03:12 < TheStorm> Andy_J, it can't in the case of TI-OS
03:12 < TD-Linux> you would screw up every jp in the OS
03:12 < i_c-Y> would you stop with this madness?
03:12 < BrandonW> I'm never going to stop this.
03:12 < BrandonW> If I have to release things under an alias or something, so be it.
03:12 <@Andy_J> hogwash
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03:13 < i_c-Y> the sith can be very alluring...
03:13 < TD-Linux> Andy_J, what? explain to me how offsetting the entire OS wouldn't kill it.
03:13 < DrDnar> Hey BrandonW, what does the Cert. Revision number mean?
03:13 <@Andy_J> there are certain places that wouldn't care
03:13 < BrandonW> I'm not going to be one of those people to go to the other side.
03:13 <@Andy_J> and if you're adding a lot of code that needs to jump out to another area to do the rest, you have to make sure no other patches use the empty space you decided to use
03:13 < BrandonW> DrDnar, honestly, no one knows. It's a field in the certificate revision block which can be added to the OS via certificate update.
03:14 < BrandonW> I'm not sure if it has any meaning.
03:14 < TD-Linux> Andy_J, contextual patches still don't help that
03:14 < BrandonW> It can be whatever you want.
03:14 < TD-Linux> you would need a better patcher still
03:14 < TD-Linux> that can allocate empty ROM
03:14 <+glk> .
03:14 <@Andy_J> it would help by noticing that something other than what you wanted to replace (rst 00h) was there instead
03:14 < TD-Linux> ideally someone would write a base patch for the OS
03:14 < DrDnar> Odd, then, because mine is #18 with my hacked certificate 
03:15 < TD-Linux> which has hooks and structures to allocate other OS "modules" to be attached
03:15 < BrandonW> DrDnar, others have told me it's auto-incrementing or something which may be true, I really have no idea.
03:15 < BrandonW> I've had #54 on my legitimate 83+.
03:15 < DrDnar> It goes away when I put the old certificate back on.
03:15 <@Andy_J> at this point we'd need to make a patch manager and you'd have to start with a fresh 8xu every time and add every patch in intelligently all at once
03:15 < TD-Linux> basically, your base patch would do two things:
03:15 < TD-Linux> 1. add a whole ton of hooks
03:15 < TD-Linux> Andy_J, yes
03:15 < BrandonW> DrDnar, if you hack up the certificate and don't put an explicit revision number block, the code has a bug which will put garbage on the About screen instead.
03:16 <@Andy_J> and deal with relocation
03:16 < TD-Linux> Andy_J, smart programs like that can be made and are a lot nicer than a pile of ugly contextual patches
03:16 <@Andy_J> and all sorts of fun stuff
03:16 < TD-Linux> yes
03:16 < BrandonW> We could be smart about patches like that, OR...just rewrite the damn thing from scratch.
03:16 <@Andy_J> I like that better.
03:16 < TD-Linux> you would have to either use entirely relative jumps, map a page into the same spot, or have the patcher translate
03:16 < DrDnar> I'll have to look at my notes for when I hacked it . . . 
03:16 < TD-Linux> BrandonW, how much free space is in the TI-OS?
03:17 < DrDnar> There should be lots.
03:17 < BrandonW> Relatively little on each page, there's quite a bit on page 74h (the last in the upper range, it's the USB code page).
03:17 < BrandonW> Keep in mind there is an entire SECTOR unused by the TI-OS.
03:17 < BrandonW> Sector 30h/70h.
03:17 < TD-Linux> Andy_J, also, apps are TI's implementation of what I just described, with hooks and always loading the page into the same address
03:17 < BrandonW> The TI-OS contains code to make sure it is empty on boot.
03:17 < BrandonW> I've had to patch it out before.
03:18 < TD-Linux> BrandonW, I think it would make the most sense when starting out to put your OS into that empty space and/or steal App pages
03:18 < BrandonW> When I have to write a lot of code to sit with the TI-OS, I place it in that sector.
03:18 < TD-Linux> and hook your OS into the TI one with binary patches
03:18 < DrDnar> They stupidly used a 64K sector for the second page of the boot code; as a result, there 48K of space on the flash chip we can never write to.
03:19 < BrandonW> OS2 enables dual booting by staying 8 pages smaller than the TI-OS and by backing up its first sector to 30h/70h, so you can do on-the-fly switching.
03:19 < TD-Linux> even if your only use of the TI-OS is a fallback
03:19 < DrDnar> They could have placed the extra code on the 32K sector, but noooo.
03:20 < BrandonW> It also backs up the privileged pages to the unused pages of TI-OS app space.
03:20 < TD-Linux> BrandonW, so it rewrites the first sector and remaps the rest?
03:20 < BrandonW> It receives a copy of the TI-OS and writes it to where it should go with the exception of the first sector (sent to 30h/70h instead) and pages 7Ch/7Dh (sent to the unused end of app space instead).
03:21 < BrandonW> The switching just swaps those pages.
03:21 < TD-Linux> sounds a lot like bootmii :P
03:21 < TheStorm> lol
03:21 < BrandonW> It's not done, so I really have no idea if it even works. :) I have the code to receive and write it all, just not the boot loader to do the switching.
03:22 < BrandonW> It's a bitch to test because I only have I/O working.
03:22 < TD-Linux> BrandonW, I'm going to write a C API to your OS just for the lulz
03:22 < BrandonW> So I have to resend my OS, then the TI-OS.
03:22 < TD-Linux> I need to figure out how sdcc wants a crt0.s first
03:22 < DrDnar> BrandonW, is resigning TI-OS on-calc feasible?
03:23 < BrandonW> And it's important to note that I have to patch the TI-OS to check for a certain key when turning on, present a loader screen, and then do the switching.
03:23 < BrandonW> Not easy.
03:23 < BrandonW> As well as the sector 30h/70h patch.
03:24 < BrandonW> DrDnar, to re-sign the TI-OS oncalc you would have to MD5 hash the whole thing (easy), raise it to the d'th power mod n (do-able I guess but it's a lot of math I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to implement in z80), back up and erase sector 38h/78h, and re-write the new signature.
03:24 < TheStorm> cabamap?
03:25 < BrandonW> d for keys 04 and 0A are plastered all over the internet.
03:25 < BrandonW> And of course n for each.
03:25 < BrandonW> So have at it. :)
03:25 < DrDnar> Find a way to store the PRIVATE key of TI-OS key in the certificate :)
03:25 < TheStorm> lol
03:26 < BrandonW> Does Cabamap have some sort of power mod function?
03:26 < TheStorm> I wouldn't be suprised
03:26 < BrandonW> Because if so, you're golden.
03:26 < BrandonW> If you can't rip the code out of Cabamap, jump into the code and get it to do it for you.
03:26 < TheStorm> I think omnicalc or symbolic might
03:26 < BrandonW> I really doubt those.
03:27 < DrDnar> Cabamap is BCD though, isn't it?
03:27 < Tari> yeah, so?
03:27 < Tari> makes things easy
03:27 < BrandonW> The boot code contains _bignumpowermod17, which raises a big integer to the 17th power mod n.
03:27 < BrandonW> But d is a hell of a lot bigger than 17.
03:27 < BrandonW> So I don't know.
03:27 < BrandonW> Might be worth disassembling.
03:28 < BrandonW> There's no ld b,17 \ ... \ djnz loop in it, it's scary math.
03:28 < BrandonW> Like I said, I'd have no idea where to start.
03:29 < BrandonW> If the algorithm is straightforward and not CPU-intensive, I'm sure someone could port it.
03:29 < BrandonW> I'd really like to see that.
03:29 < BrandonW> The OS checksum is another matter.
03:29 < BrandonW> (what makes you see "ROM FAIL" in the self-test)
03:30 < BrandonW> To calculate the new checksum is easy, but you have to sacrifice another byte to fix it.
03:30 < BrandonW> (the checksum is at 7D:7FFFh)
03:30 < BrandonW> You could of course erase that sector and start over, but that takes time.
03:30 < i_c-Y> you can get a decent implementation of modular exponentiation in Schneiner's Applied Cryptography, not that anyone asked for it.
03:31 < DrDnar> Write a funky routine to write data to unused parts of the OS so the checksum doesn't change or has fewer 1s.
03:31 < i_c-Y> you can also use montogomory reductions as well :)
03:31 < Tari> http://pastebin.com/f103a717c
03:32 < BrandonW> If someone gives me a power mod function in z80, I will implement this re-signing thing tonight.
03:32 < BrandonW> It's got me psyched.
03:33 < BrandonW> DrDnar, you could calculate it that way as well, but you're still sacrificing a byte.
03:34 < BrandonW> Sadly, there's little to no room left on page 0
03:34 < BrandonW> And that's the best place to put stuff.
03:34 < BrandonW> Since there's no page swapping to get there.
03:36 < BrandonW> We're only talking two possible d values (at most 4 if you count the app keys), so if it helps to take shortcuts, we could do that.
03:36 < BrandonW> Depending on whatever the values are.
03:38 < rand> I saw that picture that Tari put up somewhere.
03:38 < Tari> wait, what?
03:39 < rand> The one with the DCMA thing and phone number and all that stuff on it.
03:39 < BrandonW> http://www.flickr.com/photos/taricorp/3863330559/sizes/l/
03:39 < Tari> yeah, I got that
03:39 < Tari> but there didn't seem to be any context to that comment
03:40 < BrandonW> There never is with him.
03:40 < rand> I thought you were s'posed to take the phone number out.  :P
03:40 < Tari> I did, didn't I?
03:40 < BrandonW> Yes, he's just an idiot.
03:40 < BrandonW> Or didn't bother to click the link I JUST posted.
03:40 < BrandonW> Or mentioned.
03:41 <+JoeYoung_> whoa
03:41 < rand> I saw it on another URL.
03:41 <@Andy_J> I assume that was certified mail?
03:41 < BrandonW> Yes, the first one.
03:41 < Tari> http://taricorp.net/media/uploads/pub/rsa.jpg
03:41 < BrandonW> Because he hadn't taken it out yet.
03:41 <+JoeYoung_> BrandonW, can you forward that email to me? :D
03:41 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/DMCA_notice.txt
03:41 < Tari> that's since been reuploaded with the 'fixed' version
03:43 < rand> It had everything in it.
03:43 <+JoeYoung_> so is there a copy of the key anywhere?
03:44 <+JoeYoung_> besides on the jpeg
03:44 < Tari> only everywhere :)
03:44 < TheStorm> JoeYoung_, its all over
03:44 < Tari> they're on my blog, which TI hasn't discovered yet
03:44 < TheStorm> http://taricorp.net/ for istance
03:45 < BrandonW> Tari, do you want your own DMCA notice?
03:45 < BrandonW> Because we can promote yours more.
03:45 < BrandonW> If you want it.
03:45 < rand> http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:SK0FH978AzgJ:www.unitedti.org/lofiversion/index.php/t8888.html+ti83+ti84+%2Bos+%2Bsigning+%2Bkey+%2B0a+%2B04&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
03:45 < Tari> I'm fine as-is now :)
03:45 < rand> For example.  :P
03:45 < BrandonW> In all honesty, the only reason I was hit may be because the ticalc.org article directly links to me (which TI does read).
03:45 < Tari> we just need to keep mine up until the wayback machine gets it :)
03:46 < TheStorm> lol
03:46 < TheStorm> can't you tell the wayback machine to check it?
03:46 < Tari> just did
03:46 < rand> Or just upload it to the Internet Archive.
03:46 < Tari> it'll take a couple days at best for them to get around to crawling it
03:47 < rand> *Sighs.*  Damn rap-fuckers, or whatever the proper term for them is.
03:49 < BrandonW> squalyl (the guy in charge of the factoring project) will crumble at the first sign of legal trouble.
03:49 < DrDnar> I don't think any 'proper terms' have the word 'fuck' in them.
03:49 < BrandonW> So I highly recommend people download the source to the siever and anything else we might need to restart it from scratch.
03:51 < i_c-Y> Tari: did you put it on wikileaks?
03:51 < Tari> no
03:51 < BrandonW> Okay, my PC is sieving.
03:51 < BrandonW> (incubus)
03:52 < rand> I would do it, but I can't.
03:52 < BrandonW> Can you jump off a bridge?
03:52 < rand> Why so mad?
03:52 < BrandonW> Because you're Randomist.
03:52 < TheStorm> rand why can't you?
03:53 < rand> Crappy laptop, and throttled campus Internet.
03:53 < TheStorm> I couldn't get the bonic linux thing to work on my crappy server
03:54 < rand> It'd only work if it makes lots of multiple connections and they are encrypted.
03:54 < rand> I can get full-speed that way.
03:54 < TheStorm> lol Marquette's internet is un throttled and insanely fast
03:54 < rand> Also, if it does not require incoming ports.
03:55 < TheStorm> to bad I'm commuting so the best I get is wifi
03:55 < rand> My campus does not allow those.
03:55 < TheStorm> heh, MU assigns you an external IP so you can do basically w/e you want as far as I could tell
03:56 < Tari> y'know, I'm not sure if I have a real external ip
03:57 < TheStorm> I know even the MU WIFI gives you one, and even durring peak useage you close to 20Mb/s up and down
03:57 <@Andy_J> UA gave you real IPs but you were still firewalled quite heavily
03:58 < BrandonW> I'm scared Benjamin Moody is somewhere in a corner crying. We haven't heard from him at all.
03:58 < BrandonW> I thought for sure he'd respond on 81 assembly.
03:58 < BrandonW> He had started work on it.
03:58 < i_c-Y> maybe TI got to him?
03:58 < BrandonW> If he did, we should have some sort of tribute to him.
03:59 < BrandonW> Sacrificing himself for the good of the community.
03:59 < BrandonW> A public thanks.
03:59 < BrandonW> If they did,*
03:59 < rand> Man dawn!  Man dawn!
03:59 < rand> * down
04:00 < i_c-Y> all im saying is, sleep with a gun, and have your trigger finger ready.
04:04 < BrandonW> Michael demanded his name be attached to Tortoise because he says my code resembles his own.
04:04 < BrandonW> I hate that, so I'll rewrite it from scratch.
04:04 < BrandonW> Once the 73 app signing key is released.
04:04 < DrDnar> Tortuise?
04:05 < BrandonW> The "MirageOS" of the TI-73.
04:05 < i_c-Y> a shell for the 73
04:05 < BrandonW> Although we do not need shells for the 73.
04:05 < BrandonW> It has built-in assembly support.
04:05 < BrandonW> That's a sweet thing I'd like to patch into the 83+ OS.
04:05 < BrandonW> Everyone would love it.
04:06 < DrDnar> Would it really be so hard to add?
04:06 < BrandonW> You'd have to dig deep into _ParseInp and find the handler for the prgm token.
04:06 < BrandonW> Which is piss easy, but not so much in code and finding a good place to patch it.
04:07 < BrandonW> No sector-erasing would be ideal, but doubtful.
04:07 < Tari> oh, taste treat that someone came up with this morning
04:07 < Tari> fruity pebbles and orange soda
04:08 < DrDnar> What's this TASM.zip?
04:08 < Tari> it's like a fizzy Jolly Rancher
04:08 < BrandonW> I don't remember, but probably a small zip of a starter development environment.
04:08 < i_c-Y> old news.
04:08 < BrandonW> For someone who asked many moons ago.
04:08 < DrDnar> It's got some odd stuff.
04:08 < BrandonW> Where is it exactly?
04:09 < DrDnar>  /crap
04:09 < rand> /bin/sh: crap: command not found
04:09 <@Andy_J> .
04:09 < DrDnar> http://brandonw.net/crap/
04:09 < BrandonW> That's ancient x86 stuff.
04:09 < DrDnar> I noticed.
04:09 < rand> Ain't crap there.
04:09 < rand> Oh, wait.
04:10 < BrandonW> It may have been for that class a long time ago.
04:10 < rand> The campus Internet won't let me access that.
04:10 < TheStorm> lulz
04:10 < BrandonW> It would have to be, they demanded I use those macros.
04:11 < BrandonW> Some things I really disagreed with in that class.
04:12 < BrandonW> I'll never forget that "atoi" assignment, converting a string to an integer and back...it was an easy assignment, but I sort of dozed off in class and wasn't really paying attention, and the teacher started on a tangent about recursion, and somehow I thought it had to be implemented in a recursive way.
04:12 < BrandonW> I racked my brain for days over that and then finally came up with an implementation.
04:12 < BrandonW> And turned it in, and he started freaking out.
04:12 < Tari> awesome
04:14 < BrandonW> If I remember correctly, it was some god-awful hack about passing 0FFFFh as the string address (real address on the stack) if it wasn't the first pass.
04:14 < BrandonW> Because I had to have some way of knowing if it was the first pass or not.
04:14 < BrandonW> For negative numbers and stuff.
04:15 < DrDnar> Ben Moody's Units app gave me a few problems . . .
04:15 <@chronomex> ha, wow
04:15 <@chronomex> yeah
04:16 < BrandonW> I should try and find that code.
04:16 < DrDnar> Enough talking, I should get back to my project.
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04:20 < DrDnar> I'm disappointed with this Zoom Math 200. I expected to get root-2 over 2 for sin(pi/4). But no, I get 0.707.
04:21 <@chronomex> did you pay?
04:21 < DrDnar> 'Course not. I'm playing with BrandonW's crack of it.
04:21 <@chronomex> excellent.
04:21 < DrDnar> Still doesn't impress me.
04:22 < BrandonW> http://pastebin.com/m959cb3d I do not know what I was thinking...
04:23 < DrDnar> What is with int->ASCII routines being named itoa?
04:23 < DrDnar> Er.
04:23 < BrandonW> The guy was kind of anal.
04:23 < BrandonW> He wanted it named that way.
04:23 < DrDnar> Nevermind.
04:24 < BrandonW> If you see anything funky in there, it's because he wanted it.
04:24 < BrandonW> Or because I was asleep and thought he wanted it.
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04:25 < DrDnar> Okay, iota is a Greek letter. Is the name itoa related to it?
04:25 < BrandonW> No, Int TO Ascii.
04:25 < rand> Like in C>
04:25 < rand> * C.
04:26 < DrDnar> Oh, I see.
04:26 < BrandonW> There were 5 projects in there and seeing as how this was 4, I thought it had to have been more complicated than a simple string conversion routine.
04:27 <@Andy_J> you normally don't deal with an itoa (that's what sprintf is for), normally it's just atoi
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04:27 < DrDnar> Ew: GothScene: The #1 Alternative Dating Community
04:28 <+JoeYoung_> ooh, Floppus made a topic
04:29 <+JoeYoung_> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=8939&st=0&gopid=136048&#entry136048
04:29 < BrandonW> Yay!
04:29 <+JoeYoung_> Looks like TI scrubbed his mind.
04:29 < BrandonW> I wanted mine hand-delivered. :(
04:30 < i_c-Y> JoeYoung_: you use a tropius? why the fuck would you do that?
04:30 <+JoeYoung_> no you don't
04:30 <@Andy_J> BrandonW: then you were stupid by actually acknowledging you got it >_>
04:30 <+JoeYoung_> you wanna be mind-scrubbed too? do'ya, BrandonW?
04:30 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: you got a letter!
04:31 < Merthsoft> ?*
04:31 < BrandonW> Yeah, but I wanted a manilla envelope and paper and a guy to tell me how much I suck and all.
04:31 < BrandonW> Yes, I got a letter.
04:31 < BrandonW> I mean, no, not paper.
04:31 < BrandonW> An e-mail.
04:31 <+JoeYoung_> i_c-Y: I liek Tropius ;_;
04:31 < Merthsoft> what'd it say?
04:31 < i_c-Y> JoeYoung_: but its so ... bad
04:31 <+JoeYoung_> I know it's not that good.....
04:31 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/ for details.
04:32 < i_c-Y> i mean if you have 4x ice weakness...
04:32 < i_c-Y> everyone has atleast 1 pokemon with icebeam.
04:32 < i_c-Y> and 4x ice is only worth it on dragons
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04:32 <+JoeYoung_> But I haven't been able to think of an awesome Hoenn #6, except for maybe breloom
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04:33 <+JoeYoung_> Tropius was picked almost purely for it's looks :/
04:33 <+JoeYoung_> It DOES look kinda cool.
04:33 < Merthsoft> why doesn't firefox word-wrap .txt docs...
04:33 < Tari> someone needs to talik to the EFF already
04:34 < BrandonW> I replied.
04:35 <+JoeYoung_> I live within 20 miles of TI Headquarters :/
04:35 <@_Auron_> where is TI headquarters?
04:35 <+JoeYoung_> Houston
04:36 < i_c-Y> i thought it was in dallas.
04:36 <+JoeYoung_> They got that huge-ass logo in the front.
04:36 <+JoeYoung_> Maybe there is more than one?
04:36 <+JoeYoung_> This place was pretty big, though.
04:36 <+JoeYoung_> I
04:36 < i_c-Y> they have a ton of side places, JoeYoung_ 
04:37 < i_c-Y> TI is like a top 10 semiconductor company
04:37 < i_c-Y> but i think the headquarters are in dallas
04:37 <@_Auron_> then I'm within 25mi of it
04:37 < i_c-Y> TI's newest manufacturing site is in Richardson, Texas, near TI's headquarters in Dallas. TI looked at numerous locations around the world, but selected Texas because of several reasons; homecourt advantage and proximity to TI's existing headquarters
04:38 < i_c-Y> from their website, JoeYoung_ 
04:38 <+JoeYoung_> oops, yeah, you're right,  i_c-Y 
04:38 <+JoeYoung_> I just read that right before you posted
04:38 < i_c-Y> so you're like ~250 miles away
04:39 <+JoeYoung_> well, there is a huge TI office in houston, anyway :/
04:40 < BrandonW> I replied to your post.
04:40 <+JoeYoung_> eh?
04:40 <+JoeYoung_> The key one?
04:40 < BrandonW> Your United TI post.
04:41 <+JoeYoung_> Considering I don't visit Omnimaga anymore, THAT doesn't exactly narrow it down :P
04:41 < i_c-Y> the one you linkede a few minutes ago
04:41 < i_c-Y> dumbass
04:41 < i_c-Y> <+JoeYoung_> ooh, Floppus made a topic
04:41 < i_c-Y> <+JoeYoung_> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=8939&st=0&gopid=136048&#entry136048
04:41 <+JoeYoung_> that would be wrong
04:41 <+JoeYoung_> dumbass
04:42 < i_c-Y> silence, child.
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04:42 < efneTI92> [Randomist] http://wintervenom.mine.nu
04:42 < BrandonW> I do live further out, maybe the guy just hasn't come to my door yet.
04:42 < BrandonW> I can hope.
04:43 < BrandonW> But my part in this is really very little comparatively-speaking.
04:45 <+JoeYoung_> You're just a big name, that's all.
04:45 < BrandonW> :'(
04:46 <+JoeYoung_> >_>
04:47 <+JoeYoung_> Well, there's a reason why you are one, right?
04:47 < BrandonW> The ' looks too much like a nose.
04:48 < BrandonW> And :(_ looks retarded.
04:48 < BrandonW> :_(
04:48 < BrandonW> That makes more sense.
04:48 < Tari> aww, I was about to suggest that
04:48 <+JoeYoung_> ok, i found the boinc link, where do i go from here?
04:49 <+JoeYoung_> download, i guess
04:49 < BrandonW> Go to it.
04:49 < BrandonW> Do what it says.
04:49 < BrandonW> Which is to download it and join that project, yes.
04:49 < Tari> michigan's UP: one of few places where you keep the window open when it's 45 F outside
04:49 < BrandonW> They have one of the 89 factors, whatever it is.
04:49 < BrandonW> We have the MOST important z80 keys.
04:50 < BrandonW> This is for the 68k community's benefit right now.
04:50 < BrandonW> So no matter what, we win.
04:52 <+JoeYoung_> i need to restart
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04:55 < j-b-r> BrandonW: Why not just use T_T or ;_; for a crying face?
04:55 < BrandonW> Because I only just now understood T_T and ;_;.
04:56 <@_Auron_> you never understood ;_;?
04:56 <@_Auron_> there's also :'(
04:56 < BrandonW> I knew it was a crying face, I just never gave it much thought.
04:56 < BrandonW> I know there's :'(, that's...the first one I did.
04:56 < j-b-r> Yeah, that is how this started
04:56 <@_Auron_> I still don't understand T_T
04:56 <@_Auron_> wait
04:56 <@_Auron_> ...
04:56 < j-b-r> He thinks the ' looks like a nose
04:56 < j-b-r> T_T <-- It's like the tears are streaming down
04:56 <@_Auron_> I understand now, but it looks like someone's eyes are bleeding, not crying
04:57 < j-b-r> Well, then use ;_;
04:57 <@_Auron_> I do
04:57 < j-b-r> T_T looks better to me, but it does look rather like bleeding eyes
04:57 < bsparks> -_- T_T
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04:58 <+JoeYoung> um.....I think I'm connected?
04:58 < bsparks> JoeYoung, nope
04:58 < bsparks> we can't see what you're typing
04:59 < DrDnar> ---Er, what?
04:59 < DrDnar> I am not allowed to use messenger feature on United TI?
04:59 < BrandonW> If you don't see "suspended" when you hover over the tray icon, you're crunching.
04:59 <+JoeYoung> I meant to the RSA Lattice Sieving Project, bsparks.
04:59 < bsparks> damn :p
04:59 <+JoeYoung> 0.00% complete
05:01 < DrDnar> You think Ben Moody still cares about his Unit Operations app? I've noticed a few problems.
05:01 < DrDnar> Like, it thinks 0C is also 0K
05:01 <+JoeYoung> cool, now it's working and stuff. better find my laptop fan :P
05:01 < DrDnar> Though 1C is 273.15K
05:01 < BrandonW> DrDnar, yes.
05:01 < bsparks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v5jBaU_A-c is a good 1.5h of my life spent
05:02 < BrandonW> Get his mind off this stuff and submit that to him.
05:02 < DrDnar> And . . . HA! It thinks -1C is -273.15K
05:02 < DrDnar> -5C = .1365.75K
05:02 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW: It says I have 34 min remaining. What happens in 34 minutes?
05:03 < Randomist> Boom.
05:03 <+JoeYoung> oh shite
05:03 < BrandonW> I only just started-and-forgot it myself, I don't really know but I'd say your portion of the sieving range will be done then.
05:03 <+JoeYoung> and a new portion starts?
05:03 < BrandonW> Yes.
05:03 <+JoeYoung> ah
05:04 < DrDnar> BrandonW, do you have a current e-mail for him? Is benjamin@ecg.mit.edu current?
05:04 <+JoeYoung> well, it feels kinda cool, though i'm dong this for very little reason besides the fact TI wouldn't like it.
05:04 < BrandonW> I don't, but I imagine it still is.
05:05 < BrandonW> That is an excellent reason for doing it.
05:06 < DrDnar> The MIT address is from 2004. I'd doubt it's still good.
05:06 < DrDnar> How long does MIT let people keep their e-mails?
05:07 <@chronomex> I think forever
05:07 <@chronomex> I know my school will forward for life
05:07 < DrDnar> Well, I'm about to find out.
05:07 <@chronomex> oh my gawd
05:07 <@chronomex> I hope it goes through guys
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05:09 <+JoeYoung> hah, progress bar stopped. i guess it's taking a break already at 3.9% :P
05:11 <@chronomex> heh
05:14 <+JoeYoung> and the resource share is at 100%?
05:14 <+JoeYoung> I know nothing about all this o_O
05:14 <+JoeYoung> whatever.
05:14 <+JoeYoung> i'm sleeping now. bye.
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05:28 < Spengo> ^his url
05:29 <@chronomex> thanks for the enlightenment
05:29 < Spengo> thought you might like to know
05:29 <@chronomex> really
05:29 < Spengo> well he didn't state it very clearly
05:29 < Spengo> all those spaces in there
05:39 <@_Auron_> lol
05:49 < Randomist> This line was intentionally left blank.
05:52 < BrandonW> It's "This line intentionally left blank.", you insensitive clod!
05:53 < TD-Linux> how long is RSA key for 84+ again?
05:53 <@chronomex> TEN THOUSAND BYTES
05:53 < BrandonW> 512-bit.
05:53 <@chronomex> close enough
05:54 < Randomist> No, it's, "It's 'This line was intentionally left blank,' you insensitive clod," you insensitive clod!
05:55 < BrandonW> If it was the same, there'd be no reason to correct it, you clod.
05:56 < Randomist> My mind subconsiously snuck that "was" back in there.  :P
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07:00 < _Digital> so, Btrfs + compression == wicked fast when it comes to bandwidth
07:00 < _Digital> but damn does it have some high latency
07:00 < _Digital> http://atlas.selfip.net/Benchmarks/Btrfs.htm
07:00 < Randomist> Hasn't epic-failed on you yet?
07:01 < _Digital> and btw, I'm seeding the data written with a 4K random file so the compression numbers aren't that bad
07:01 < _Digital> Randomist, I'm benching it only at this time
07:02 < _Digital> reports I keep hearing are that Ext4 was more dangerous than Btrfs
07:02 < Randomist> What kernel versions were they using?
07:02 < _Digital> me or who?
07:03 < _Digital> I'm running 2.6.30 patched with Reiser4 support and a few other things
07:03 <@chronomex> yay reiser4
07:03 < Randomist> Ext4 with anything less than -30 is kind of shaky.
07:03 < _Digital> programs and user dirs and repositries sit on Reiser4, everything else is on XFS atm
07:04 < _Digital> less than -30 means what?
07:04 < Randomist>  2.6.30.
07:05 < _Digital> wouln't it be more like .30? -30 is more towards the nomenclature of of a release candidate, i.e. -rc30
07:06 < _Digital> we will most likely see Reiser4 be added into the mainline kernel at about 2.6.31 iirc
07:06 < Randomist> I'm waiting for NILFS to stablize.
07:06 < BrandonW> My understanding is that current work in the BOINC project is going towards the 89/92+ Flash application signing keys.
07:07 < BrandonW> These would be very important.
07:07 < BrandonW> So if you have any spare CPU cycles at all to spare, please do.
07:07 < BrandonW> any CPU*
07:07 < _Digital> BrandonW, fewer people care about those keys than those who understand what SETI is
07:07 < _Digital> but I'm not complaining about finding them
07:07 <@chronomex> _Digital: so? it'll be done soon enough
07:07 < BrandonW> Then shut up and do it.
07:08 < Randomist> And give GLK the keys to add to his data.
07:08 < BrandonW> _Digital, I really do not want to hear bitching about how few people there are.
07:08 < _Digital> my server is runnign hot and my dad is loosing his job in a few days so I only run computations between 1900 and 0700
07:08 < BrandonW> Not in this channel.
07:08 < _Digital> and that time is reserved for video encoding right now
07:08 < BrandonW> If you don't have the spare power, that's fine.
07:09 < BrandonW> I'm not going to tolerate "what's the point?" questions.
07:09 < BrandonW> They're ridiculous.
07:09 < Randomist> I can do it from 0000 to 0700 or so.
07:09 < BrandonW> Or anything implying it.
07:09 < _Digital> BrandonW, I was poking fun, you need a joint
07:09 < Randomist> If I know about how BOINC uses the network.
07:09 < BrandonW> I don't want to hear "you need a joint", "you need to get laid" or any of that either.
07:09 < _Digital> chill
07:09 < Randomist> You really do.  :P
07:10 < Randomist> Krisk would agree.
07:10 < BrandonW> What you say means absolute shit to me.
07:10 < BrandonW> And him.
07:10 < Randomist> I know this already.
07:10 <@chronomex> guys
07:10 <@chronomex> both of you
07:10 <@chronomex> go get up and have some ice cream and take a walk
07:10 < _Digital> I'm livign at home and the only reason why my folks aren't very worried about my dad loosing his job is because my brother and I pay enough in rent to cover the majority of our expenses
07:11 < _Digital> and I still go about my life as normal
07:11 < _Digital> I plenty of reason to be stressed out, but I'm not
07:12 < Randomist> chronomex:  Ice cream at 0211 in the morning?  Hmm...
07:12 < _Digital> stressing about finding something trivial like the keys to get our OS off of a calculator is utterly rediculous
07:12 < BrandonW> Who said anything about stress from this?
07:12 < _Digital> you are acting fairly stressed
07:12 < BrandonW> No, I'm pissed off about being told that this stuff is a waste of time.
07:13 < BrandonW> Or that no one cares.
07:12 < BrandonW> Or that very few care.
07:13 < BrandonW> Do I sit and insult your video encoding or say no one cares?
07:13 < BrandonW> No.
07:13 < _Digital> pissed, stressed, whatever raises the blood presure
07:13 < _Digital> it was a joke, take it as such
07:14  * Randomist proposes the <JOKE> tag into standards.
07:15 < _Digital> Randomist, have you tried Btrfs or Reiser4?
07:15 < _Digital> chronomex, do you use Reiser4?
07:15 <@chronomex> I did for a while
07:15 < _Digital> regular or with cryptcompress?
07:15 <@chronomex> now I'm using jfs on one box, zfs on my solaris machine, and ext3 on my laptop
07:15 <@chronomex> regular
07:16 < _Digital> I never tried regular
07:16 < Randomist> _Digital:  I don't do too much craziness on my machine to warrent exparimenting with those.
07:16 <@chronomex> regular is pretty snappy
07:16 < Randomist> * experimenting
07:16 <@chronomex> I can't imagine how fast compression makes it
07:17 < _Digital> chronomex, well since everyone noted that R4+ crypt was faster than regular and that I could decompress a bzip2 tarball in ~20-25 seconds w/ fsync, I saw no reason to try regular
07:17 < _Digital> Randomist, fair enough. I think I have that conversation with you
07:17 <@chronomex> aye
07:17 <@chronomex> I tried it ages ago
07:17 < _Digital> nothing has reassly changed. Just patches for compatibility
07:18 < _Digital> BrandonW, you have to remember I'm one of the ones who asked you for help with hacking/cracking teh 68Ks
07:18 <@chronomex> aye
07:19 < BrandonW> In what way?
07:19 < _Digital> asking why we never get the cool stuff when our hardware is better
07:19 < _Digital> and offering my testing if you needed it
07:20 <@chronomex> _Digital: we never get the cool stuff because there are fewer of us
07:20 < _Digital> we're the betamax of TI calculators
07:21 <@chronomex> technically better but less popular for some political reason
07:21 < _Digital> yeah
07:21 < _Digital> I'm all too familiar with them
07:21 < _Digital> but what other platform is powerful enough to run grayscale 3D graphics?
07:21 <@chronomex> my computer?
07:21 <@chronomex> actually no
07:22 < _Digital> a calculator I mean
07:22 < _Digital> and you know it
07:23 < BrandonW> I can only assume you're referring to USB, because that's the only 68k thing I could possibly help with.
07:23 < _Digital> I know, unless you had a 68K
07:23 < _Digital> if someone in here went half way with me, I'd buy you a 89T
07:24 < BrandonW> ...I have an 89Ti.
07:24 < BrandonW> I have every model.
07:24 < _Digital> oh, BrandonW, what is the link to the BOINC project for the 68K keys?
07:24 < BrandonW> http://boinc.unsads.com/rsals/
07:24 < _Digital> then why is that the only thing you can help on?
07:24 < BrandonW> Because I don't know 68k assembly, or anything at all about the AMS?
07:25 < BrandonW> It would take years to even have a clue what I was doing.
07:25 <@chronomex> yeah, I should get on that
07:25 < _Digital> you wouldn't code in C?
07:25 <@chronomex> but I have a REALLY long list of shit to do
07:25 < BrandonW> Nothing substantial can be done in C.
07:25 <@chronomex> BrandonW: it can too
07:25 < BrandonW> My definition of "substantial" is mostly USB.
07:25 <@chronomex> just things that require timing or extremes of size can't be done in C
07:25 < BrandonW> It would be better in assembly.
07:25 <@chronomex> better, yes
07:25 < BrandonW> Exactly.
07:25 < _Digital> doesn't TIGCC have an assembly portion with documentation
07:26 <@chronomex> impossible in C, no.
07:26 < _Digital> ^
07:26 < _Digital> I'm ignorant, but that is what I kept being told
07:26 <@chronomex> remember, we were talking about how similar the USB controllers appear?  how is your knowledge of z80 usb?
07:27 < BrandonW> I can contribute help and knowledge about the USB controller, not 68k stuff.
07:27 < sir_lewk> is it just me, or is unitedti really slow today?
07:27 <@chronomex> BrandonW: yes, the USB controller
07:27 < BrandonW> I'm not sure what else you're asking.
07:27 <@chronomex> can you run USB from z80 asm?
07:28 < BrandonW> I don't understand what you mean by running USB.
07:28 <@chronomex> er
07:28 < _Digital> access. control, move data via
07:28 <@chronomex> can you use the controllor for normal USB functions?
07:29 < BrandonW> Such as?
07:29 < sir_lewk> he made drivers for usb keyboards, flashdrives and the like
07:29 < sir_lewk> is that what you mean?
07:29 <@chronomex> okay, yes
07:29 < BrandonW> The interface is fairly generic to do things like that, yes.
07:29 < BrandonW> I'm not convinced that the interface is complete.
07:29 < BrandonW> But those things are obviously possible.
07:29 <@chronomex> do you have documentation available on how you manipulate the controller?
07:30 < BrandonW> I have vague information that mimics the WikiTI documentation, which pretty much just gives an idea of what kind of access and control you'd get via what hardware ports.
07:30 < BrandonW> It's difficult to write down, that's why I offered my head.
07:31 <@chronomex> ah, okay
07:31 < _Digital> does it come on a stick?
07:32 < BrandonW> You can't have my head on a stick.
07:33 <@chronomex> I don't want your head on a stick
07:33 < BrandonW> More like "I can't get this damn port to hold this value, how does the 84+/SE do it?"
07:34 <@chronomex> k
07:34 <@chronomex> well
07:34 <@chronomex> not today I think
07:35 < _Digital> delete performance of Btrfs + compression is pathetically slow
07:35 < _Digital> 21 files per second
07:36 < _Digital> Ext4 slows to no worse than 400, XFS is above 3K
07:37 < Randomist> Try delete performance on JFS.  :P
07:37 < Randomist> (Got a few days to spare?  :])
07:37 < _Digital> I will once this bonnie++ session ends and I have 2 samples in 24+ hours
07:38 < _Digital> I need file performance so I run 350 files through, not the default 16
07:41 < BrandonW> chronomex, I would hope there's a wealth of OS code you can look at to get a general idea of where to start.
07:41 < _Digital> Randomist, I think that is why I didn't touch JFS
07:41 < BrandonW> The 84+/SE OS USB code is almost entirely in the interrupt service routine.
07:41 <@chronomex> there's a fuckton of OS code that I can't/won't make heads or tails of
07:41 <@chronomex> it's sort of spewed all over the place
07:42 <@chronomex> and I don't have a decent debugger
07:42 < BrandonW> It's everywhere in the 84+/SE OS, too, but it all starts or gets referenced somehow in the interrupt.
07:42 <@chronomex> aye
07:42 < BrandonW> You don't use IDA Pro?
07:42 <@chronomex> I don't have a copy that does 68k
07:43 < BrandonW> They're out there.
07:43 <@chronomex> yeah
07:43 < BrandonW> I can provide if necessary.
07:43 <@chronomex> I'm gointa try and get one now
07:43 <@chronomex> nah, he says not atm
07:43 <@chronomex> can you provide?
07:45 < _Digital> random side note
07:45 < _Digital> did you guys know that the magnets in HDDs have 3 poles?
07:45 <@chronomex> no, do tell
07:45 <@chronomex> north, south, east?
07:45 < DSP_Lord> nah.
07:45 < _Digital> not sure which is north and south, but the center is one poke and the adjacent edges are the other
07:46 < DSP_Lord> north, south, and stripper.
07:46 < _Digital> pole*
07:46 < _Digital> the lurker returns
07:46 < DSP_Lord> <_<
07:46 <@chronomex> ah
07:46 < DSP_Lord> hi
07:46 <@chronomex> hi
07:46 < _Digital> glare at me all you want, you will always be a lurker to me
07:46 < DSP_Lord> :P
07:46 < BrandonW> Yes, I can provide.
07:46 <@chronomex> do you have it handy?
07:46 < DSP_Lord> wait what.
07:46 < DSP_Lord> _3fg?
07:46 < _Digital> I have 2 handy
07:46 < DSP_Lord> LIES.
07:47 < _Digital> chronomex is 3fg?
07:47 <@chronomex> am not.
07:47 < _Digital> I didn't think so
07:47  * chronomex holds up both hands
07:47 <@chronomex> see
07:47 <@chronomex> 10 fingers
07:47 < _Digital> I see 3fg on AIM
07:47 < _Digital> but I havent' spoken to him in ages
07:47 <@chronomex> do you see me on aim?
07:47 < _3fg> I am 3fg
07:47 < DSP_Lord> i see _3fg in here >_>
07:47 < DSP_Lord> see?
07:47 < DSP_Lord> HE LIVES.
07:47 <@chronomex> _3fg: all that beeping?
07:47 < _3fg> yep
07:47 < DSP_Lord> lol
07:47 < DSP_Lord> 'sup.
07:47 < _Digital> chronomex, I don't have your handle
07:47 < _Digital> _3fg:!!!!!!
07:47 <@chronomex> on aim? I'm chronomex
07:48 < _3fg> just watching a movie
07:48 < DSP_Lord> nono
07:48 < DSP_Lord> i mean 'sup as in "where the fuck have you been"
07:48 < _3fg> haha
07:48 < DSP_Lord> i don't remember the last time i saw you in here.
07:48 < _Digital> ^
07:48 < _3fg> I've been around I guess
07:48 < Randomist> Last year at...
07:48 < _3fg> just not on calc stuff
07:48  * Randomist thinks.
07:48 < _3fg> yeah
07:49 < Randomist> ...a long time ago.
07:49 < _Digital> Randomist, seriously man, you can hurt yourself really bad doing that
07:49 < DSP_Lord> <CalcBot> _3fg (~admin@cpe-76-182-207-178.tx.res.rr.com) was last seen quitting from #calcgames 80 days, 5 hours, 6 minutes ago stating (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
07:49 < sir_lewk> I can always tell at first glance if BrandonW is talking at the moment because all of the lines get much shorter on average if he's not ;D
07:49 < DSP_Lord> apparently.
07:49 < _3fg> haha
07:49 < sir_lewk> oh whoa, it's _3fg
07:50 < _Digital> and is DSP_Lord is around everything starts smelling like shit.
07:50 < _3fg> hello
07:50 < DSP_Lord> oy.
07:50 < DSP_Lord> eff off _Digital.
07:50 < _Digital> hells no
07:50 < _Digital> you team killer
07:50 < DSP_Lord> hey now.
07:50 < Randomist> You're an all-star.
07:50 < Randomist> Get you game on.
07:50 < Randomist> Go play.
07:50 < DSP_Lord> not my fault you end up in front of my scope/warthog.
07:50 < DSP_Lord> !k Randomist no.
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07:51 < _Digital> DSP_Lord, it was your damn rocket, and you are never behind the gun, you're always driving
07:51 < DSP_Lord> hey, that rocket was awesome and you know it.
07:51 < _Digital> but you killed me!
07:51 < Randomist> Then why are you still here?
07:51 < Randomist> Oh, right, "Halo."
07:52 < DSP_Lord> _Digital: it was worth it, wasn't it? >_>
07:52 < _Digital> only because it was so cinematic and photogenic
07:52 < DSP_Lord> see?
07:52 < _Digital> and I said you would never live it down
07:52 < Randomist> I still got that bad-ass screenshot.
07:52 < DSP_Lord> plus, you should have seen me there and assumed i had rockets...
07:52 < DSP_Lord> :P
07:53 < _Digital> did you pay attention that you hit me first and not the other guy?
07:53 < _Digital> team killer
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07:53 < DSP_Lord> and?
07:53 < DSP_Lord> not like i don't have that rep already.
07:54 < _Digital> so why do you  still fight it?
07:54 < Randomist> chronomex:  Quick, bring the ice cream -- stat.
07:54 < DSP_Lord> _Digital: because you make it sound like i do it intentionally every single time. <_<
07:54 <@chronomex> what/
07:54 < _Digital> DSP_Lord, it happens often enough based on your rep....
07:55 < DSP_Lord> what, the XBL rep system?
07:55 < DSP_Lord> that shit is broken anyway.
07:55 < _Digital> no, yout tk rep
07:55 < DSP_Lord> oh.
07:55 < DSP_Lord> yeah, because most of them are "wheee warthog OH SHIT SORRY"
07:58 < _Digital> well with the aclaimed skill you have, shouldn't you avoid them?
07:58 < _Digital> or else I'm more nible than them even though I cannot shoot
07:59 < _Digital> DSP_Lord, I think we killed #tcpa by talking about Halo again
07:59 < _Digital> or *I* did
07:59 <@chronomex> fucking gamers
07:59 < BrandonW> You get used to it.
08:00 < _Digital> believe it or not, I'm not on all that much
08:00 < _Digital> maybe a day a week on average at best
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08:00 < efneTI92> [LordMathi] I'm not a ninja, no idea what you're talking about.
08:00 < _Digital> chronomex, back to invisible
08:00 < LordMathi> welp;
08:00 < _Digital> oh yeah, your net sucks
08:01 < _Digital> read this: http://atlas.selfip.net/%23tcpa/%23tcpa.2009-08-30.log
08:01 < Randomist> It is -- this... is... SPARTAAA *Boom!* -- in the morning.
08:01 < Randomist> Why am I still awake?
08:01 < _Digital> you're dreaming
08:02  * _Digital pokes LordMathi 
08:02 < Randomist> Time to receed into the recursive dreams of the mind.
08:02 < _Digital> how about iterating dreams?
08:03  * LordMathi slaps _Digital around a bit with a large trout
08:03 < Randomist> I think my mind only allows two nests.
08:04 < _Digital> LordMathi: read the log dammit
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08:05 < _Digital> wow, Yahoo is crawing me now
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08:05 < _Digital> I had teh tempattion to steal that
08:05 <@chronomex> shoulda
08:06 < Randomist> "Teh tempattion" [the temptation] is overwhelming.
08:06 < _Digital> thank you 144.118.51.122
08:06 < _Digital> aka DSP_Lord 
08:06  * sir_lewk passes out on #tcpa's couch
08:06 < DSP_Lord> huh
08:06 < _Digital> we have a couch?
08:07 < Randomist> We have everything here.
08:07 < _Digital> wait, who is the owner of that IP
08:07  * _Digital whois's everyone
08:07 < DSP_Lord> not me.
08:07 < _Digital> I see that
08:08 < Randomist> _Digital:  Do you be remembering people by IPs?
08:08 < _Digital> no, but I cannot see hostmaks here in irssi
08:08 < _Digital> I need to go grab the script that lets me
08:08 < Randomist> I want to get rid of these angle brackets.
08:09 < _Digital> DSP_Lord: http://atlas.selfip.net/%23tcpa/%23tcpa.2009-08-30.log
08:10 < Randomist> /bin/sh: screenshot-live: command not found
08:10 <@chronomex> fail
08:10 < _Digital> you been haxored
08:11 < Randomist> No, I moved all my dot-files into "$HOME/etc," so it would stop cluttering up my terminal.
08:11 < Randomist> I haven't reloaded this terminal yet.
08:12 < Randomist> Actually, I don't need to.
08:13 < _Digital> I have to wonder why I'm trying Btrfs + cryptcompress since I'm storing H.264 and MPEG-2 files on these partitions...
08:14 < sir_lewk> yeah, that seems a bit silly
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08:15 < _Digital> but then again I might use that file system for my portage directory. I saw all four cores go active when readong and writing compared to Reiser4's 1 core
08:16 < _Digital> though depending on how dire this deletion time is, I may still be faster with R4
08:19 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/crap/glk.jpg I forgot I had this.
08:19 < _Digital> I was thinking about that the other day
08:19 < BrandonW> I hate myself for screwing up the audio in the clip.
08:20 < BrandonW> But if you manage to get ahold of In the Line of Duty: Ambush at Waco, that's where it's from.
08:20 < _Digital> you didn't work on a copy?
08:20 < _Digital> ah
08:20 < BrandonW> I had it on my Charter DVR and I ripped it with a tuner card in the middle of the night the day before I had to return it to Charter.
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08:27 <@chronomex> damnit where did all my good documentation go
08:28 <@chronomex> BrandonW: I loaded the rom dump at the wrong base address, is this fixable or do I have to reload from 0?
08:28 < BrandonW> I always trash it and start over.
08:28 <@chronomex> okay
08:29 < BrandonW> My IDA knowledge is limited.
08:29 < BrandonW> The 84+/SE OS is a collection of 18 Flash pages, all but the first are loaded to 4000h, page 0 is at 0000h. All of them have their own RAM block from 8000h-10000h.
08:29 < BrandonW> I've found that works well for me.
08:30 <@chronomex> ah
08:30 < BrandonW> Once I've documented them pretty thoroughly, I copy+paste everything into text files so they're easily searchable.
08:30 < BrandonW> For cross-page references.
08:31 <@chronomex> the 89 OS is a single blob starting at 0x200000 (HW1/2) or 0x800000 (HW3/4)
08:32 < BrandonW> A single IDA database must be convenient.
08:35 <@chronomex> it certainly is
08:54 < mokomull> there's an hw4 now?
08:54 < BrandonW> Yes.
08:54 < _Digital> what is the difference between 3 and 4?
08:54 <@chronomex> very little
08:54 < _Digital> and we're still stuck at 12MHz right?
08:54 <@chronomex> 12-15 depending on who you ask, yes
08:55 < _Digital> HW2 is 12, HW3/4 is 15
08:55 < _Digital> HW1 ia 8
08:56 < _Digital> or is it 10? I cannot remember
08:57 < mokomull> fuck why am I not passed out yet
08:57 < _Digital> try a cinder block to forehead?
08:57 <@chronomex> _Digital: hmmm, dunno
08:58 <@chronomex> this isn't code ...
08:58  * mokomull goes to sleep.  it's freakiing 4am
08:59 <@chronomex> found it
08:59  * chronomex watches IDA Pro pour paint into the AMS
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09:19 < BrandonW> You said the OS starts at 0x200000, what's before that?
09:25 <@E-J> big bang?
09:39 <@chronomex> 0 to 1fffff is ram, 256k repeated 8 times
09:39 <@chronomex> I don't remember the exact layout for hw3/4
09:40 <@chronomex> http://tict.ticalc.org/docs/J89hw.txt is the canonical reference
09:43 <@chronomex> my, IDA is a nice tool for 68k
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10:39 < tr1p1ea> glk wha?
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11:55 <@chronomex> what the hell
11:55 <@chronomex> code that writes a single STOP opcode and then jumps to it
11:55 <@chronomex> what
11:56 < BW-Basic> stop?   is that like RET?
11:57 <@chronomex> it's HALT
11:57 < BW-Basic> up too late, brain not wanting to accept assembly at this hour.
11:57 <@chronomex> sry
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11:57 <@chronomex> I don't know why I'm up myself
11:57 < GW-Basic> makes my problem seem sympler
11:58 <@chronomex> ?
11:58 < GW-Basic> trying to graph something, in the dunno why just cause I wanna do it
11:58 <@chronomex> ah
11:58 < GW-Basic> P*R=M-(C-M)
11:59 < GW-Basic> solver does figure it out, but I'd like to see my fancy-ass ti-85 draw something 
11:59 <@chronomex> shit.
11:59 <@chronomex> I stayed up to 5am
11:59 <@chronomex> why
11:59 < GW-Basic> hehe west coast are ya.
11:59 <@chronomex> yeah
11:59 < GW-Basic> Got into the Mt. Dew so I will see the sun rise
11:59 <@chronomex> phoenix?
12:00 < GW-Basic> where else
12:00 <@chronomex> if I see the sun rise I'll never sleep
12:00 <@chronomex> what's your usual nick?
12:00 <@chronomex> I'm sorta zonked out on 68k
12:00 < GW-Basic> this one, new to this channel though
12:01 <@chronomex> ah k
12:01 < GW-Basic> got a ti-85, like it enough to think about a new one.
12:01 < GW-Basic> just got it couple weeks ago
12:01 <@chronomex> neat
12:02 < GW-Basic> under 5 bucks, couldn't pass it buy.  had to repair the LCD ribbon though.
12:02 < GW-Basic> sky's still black we're safe
12:03 <@chronomex> heh
12:03 <@chronomex> 'zackly
12:03 < GW-Basic> is there a strong difference between the 89 and 84?  think those are the 2 best ones.
12:04 <@chronomex> yes
12:04 <@chronomex> completely different
12:04 <@chronomex> SPURIOUS INTERRUPT, o how I love you
12:04 < GW-Basic> I think the 89 titanium is better but the 84 has better support.
12:04 < GW-Basic> hehe pc or what?
12:05 <@chronomex> I'm a 68k partisan, so obv. the 89 is better to me
12:05 < GW-Basic> hehe port some apple stuff.
12:05 <@chronomex> nah
12:05 <@chronomex> better to write your own
12:06 < GW-Basic> been playing 'video' game that you srite scripts for,  been writing too much stuff lately. Tradewars-2002
12:06 <@chronomex> aye
12:08 < GW-Basic> I wanna make a graph that toes up till the max then drops off.  and do it as a math function. is that possible/easy?
12:08 < GW-Basic> jeez my typing sucks tonite
12:08 <@chronomex> I don't do math
12:08 <@chronomex> just code
12:08 <@chronomex> that's a lie
12:08 <@chronomex> I'm just in a codetrance
12:09 <@chronomex> you know?
12:09 < GW-Basic> yeah I could put a if .. then so easy.
12:10 < GW-Basic> been there, time to look away from the screen a bit, channelchange till you're sick of all the rerun infomercials then attack it again.
12:10 <@chronomex> don't watch tv :)
12:11 <@chronomex> if I don't go to bed soon my dad's gonna get up and be mad
12:11 <@chronomex> goddamn I hate living at home
12:11 <@chronomex> moving out monday :)
12:12 < GW-Basic> having your own place is nice, expensive but nice.
12:12 <@chronomex> yes.
12:16 < GW-Basic> gotta go keep watch, they broke into neighbors vacant house last nite,  probably won't be back since they were seen but you never know
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12:23 < GW-Basic> bit of blue in the east sky, won't be long now
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12:45 < tr1p1ea> http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4652/xwing.gif
12:49 <@chronomex> yay 3d
12:49 <@chronomex> night #tcpa
12:49 <@chronomex> now that it's .. .almost 6am
12:59 <@E-J> so it's morning to you?
12:59 <@E-J> it's almost 16 here
13:03 < Nikky> nerd
13:03 < Nikky> it's 15:03
13:04 <@E-J> i'm watching f1 from net with spanish commentary, can't understand anything
13:05 <@E-J> though this is better than chinese commentary
13:05 < Nikky> haha\
13:05 < Nikky> sweet
13:06 <@E-J> have you tried to watch italian tv? i assume they dub everything
13:09 < Nikky> umm, not yet
13:09 < Nikky> my roommates have
13:09 < Nikky> I coiudln't figure out how to turn it on
13:09 < Nikky> to tell the truth
13:10 <@E-J> :)
13:10 < Nikky> my feet hurt
13:10 < Nikky> :(
13:12 <@E-J> ah, and btw you should check that any adapter you are using for charging things can tolerate european volts, i have once smelt the blue smoke that come out from psu when i pressed that little red button which change 230V to 115V
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13:12 < efneTI92> [Grue`] It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
13:14 < Nikky> haha
13:14 < Nikky> yeah, I'm just using a 110-240 50/60 adaptor that is auto switching
13:14 < Nikky> for my laptop, this is the only thingthat needs electricyt
13:14 <@E-J> good
13:16 < Nikky> the eletrical system is weird though
13:16 <@E-J> howso?
13:18 < Nikky> the three prong plugs
13:18 < Nikky> instead of the europlug
13:19 <@E-J> ah, they use that
13:21 < Nikky> yeah
13:21 < Nikky> and of those three plugged outlets, tere are two sizes, which are not compatable with one agother
13:25 <@E-J> Nikky: this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#Type_L
13:30 <@Andy_J> force india on pole :O
13:30 <@E-J> yeah
13:31 <@Andy_J> I'm about 1.5 hours behind, no spoilers :P
13:31 <@Andy_J> make that 2 hours
13:31 <@E-J> well it ended just now, so you were just in time to say that :)
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14:27 < incubus> wow I've found a rather simple improper integral that the ti-89 hangs hardcore on
14:33 < Barrett> what is it?
14:34 < incubus> integral(0.42 * e^(-475*x) - 0.025, x, 0, inf)
14:37 < incubus> somehow that constant term in front of the e throws it off
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14:54 < GW-Basic> is fnInt() the ti-85 equivelant, seemed to work.
14:57 <@E-J> it is
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15:00 < GW-Basic> took 1/2 second, guess it's not obsolete yet.
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15:14 < efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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15:18 < TheStorm> There Boinc is running on my laptop, now for my mom's desktop
15:19 < |Omega|> What can we do with these keys? (Sorry I'm new here, got here from the Boinc page of the group)
15:20 <@Andy_J> well that was an eventful grand prix
15:25 < TD-Linux> tr1p1ea: I half finished a 3D renderer
15:26 < TD-Linux> but my matrix routines screwed up my head
15:27 < TD-Linux> I have contributed 191 work units so far
15:35 < |Omega|> TD-Linux: I didn't even see you here :) Could you enlighten me by explaining what we can accomplish with the keys?
15:36 <@Andy_J> Basically, make our own OS for the calculators that can be sent to any calculator without need for hackery during the sending process
15:39 < |Omega|> Oh, awesome :D
15:39 < Merthsoft> shshshshs what if he's a TI spy
15:43 < |Omega|> Whois me and you'll see that I am no spy :3
15:43 < Merthsoft> how will that sho you're not a spy?
15:44 < Merthsoft> show*
15:44 < |Omega|> :3
15:44 < |Omega|> Either I'm not one, or a _really_ good one.
15:46 <@Andy_J> We're not doing anything illegal, regardless of what TI thinks.
15:47 < Merthsoft> i think you're an idiot
15:49 < |Omega|> You guys allow people to disrespect ops around here :/
15:49 <@Andy_J> Merthsoft is silly.
15:50 < TheStorm> |Omega|, isn't Merthsoft a Half-op anyway :P
15:50 <@Andy_J> TheStorm: He is.
15:50 < Merthsoft> i'm not disrespecting an op
15:50 < Merthsoft> i <3 Andy_J 
15:50 < Merthsoft> Andy_J: you gave bsparks my charger right?
15:50 <@Andy_J> yeah
15:51 < Merthsoft> bsparks: when you come here bring that
15:51 < |Omega|> There aren't any half-ops on EFnet :/
15:51 <@Andy_J> |Omega|: the bots have a facility for doing half-ops
15:52  * TheStorm points at EFneTI*
15:52 <@Andy_J> where they can ban people can crap through the bots, but they can't do anything stupid against other people with power
15:52 < |Omega|> Oh, I get you, so he can use certain commands and the bots will execute them.
15:52 <@Andy_J> year
15:52 < Merthsoft> woo i can crap through the bots
15:52 <@Andy_J> *yeah
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16:11 < JoeYoung> sup
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16:12 <+JoeYoung> BOINC tells me I've done 118.43 work, whatever that means.
16:13 < TheStorm> I've done 0.0 so far but I jsut started,
16:18 < TheStorm> hmm it seems Bonic plus EAC has gotten my laptop to the hottest I've ever seen it, 61C
16:18 <+JoeYoung> same here.
16:19 <+JoeYoung> I suspended my laptop and pointed a room fan at it. Two of them, actually.
16:19 <+JoeYoung> I managed to run it all night.
16:20 <+JoeYoung> My mom came in and was like "wtf y is ur computer hanging from der ceiling?"
16:22 < TheStorm> Well If my mom hadn't recently triped the circut breaker I'd have my desktop and her deskop working on boinc also
16:23 <+JoeYoung> I have 5 computers besides my laptop, but none of them are connected to the internet cause I'm piss-poor.
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16:41 <+JoeYoung_> BOINC made my computer overheat :(
16:42 <+DarkLord_> Do you have good airflow in the case?
16:44 <+JoeYoung_> my laptop has terrible natural airflow, so I propped it on a box and stuck a fan right next to it.
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16:46 <+JoeYoung_> oh crap, the clock reset
16:46 <+JoeYoung_> it's apparently 2007 :/
16:46 <+JoeYoung_> I wonder if this affected Vista too.
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16:58 < bsparks> Merthsoft, _if_ I come there, which I probably will
16:59 <@Andy_J> 12:22:30 < TheStorm> Well If my mom hadn't recently triped the circut breaker I'd have my desktop and her deskop working on boinc also
17:00 <@Andy_J> what does that have to do with anything?
17:00 <+JoeYoung_> You guys see that crazy little Heartgold/Soulsilver attachment?
17:01 <+JoeYoung_> EVERYTHING
17:01 <+JoeYoung_> GEEZ, ANDY_J
17:01 <+JoeYoung_> jking, I don't know a damn thing.
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17:06 < TheStorm> Andy_J, I'm not home to turn the machines back on, they need to be on in order to RDesktop into them 
17:07 < TheStorm> and one is on wifi so WOL is not an option.
17:07 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-242-202-34.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa
17:07 < efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
17:09 < Merthsoft> bsparks: you gonna have 500 bucks by saturday?
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17:14 < efneTI92> [Randomist] http://wintervenom.mine.nu
17:23 <@Andy_J> 13:07:02 < TheStorm> and one is on wifi so WOL is not an option.
17:23 <@Andy_J> lies
17:23 <@Andy_J> you can do WOL on wifi if your hardware supports it
17:23 <@Andy_J> you can't just write it off because it's on wifi
17:24 < bsparks> Merthsoft, idk yet
17:24 < bsparks> and it's $500 by Friday <_< preferably Thursday
17:26 < Merthsoft> well
17:26 < i_c-Y> Andy_J / TheStorm : you'll see it called something else though usually for wifi, eg. WoWLAN
17:26 <@Andy_J> I dunno what apple calls it but their new laptops support it and a recent software update to the base stations enables it
17:26 < i_c-Y> intel calls it WoWLAN
17:26 < i_c-Y> i think you need 3945ABG or higher though.
17:31 < bsparks> eeeeeeverything you know is wrong. black is white, up is down, and short is long. 
17:33 -!- Tar1 [~Tari@emcnair-79-224.resnet.mtu.edu] has joined #tcpa
17:32 < efneTI92> [Tar1] Remember, remember the 5th of November
17:33 < i_c-Y> that Tari guy is such an asshole , ya know?
17:33 < i_c-Y> oh hi Tar1 
17:33 < i_c-Y> fancy seeing you here...
17:33 < i_c-Y> ;)
17:33 < Tar1> :)
17:35 < Tar1> :( class starts tomorrow
17:35 < i_c-Y> so, wheres your DCMA notice?
17:35 < Tar1> TI hasn't noticed me yet :)
17:37 < i_c-Y> did you pick a major yet, Tar1 ?
17:37 < Tar1> I'm CpE for now
17:37 < TheStorm> well I know my mom's desktop doesn't support WoWLAN
17:37 < i_c-Y> why do you want wake on lan on her desktop?
17:38 <@Andy_J> digital copyright millenium act?
17:38 < i_c-Y> yessir
17:38 < TheStorm> so I can use her desktop form work or school or where ever I happen to be
17:39 < i_c-Y> why wouldnt you just use your computer?
17:39 < bsparks> mmm, mountain dew
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17:39 < i_c-Y> Tar1: CpE = CompE?
17:39 < Tar1> yeah
17:39 -!- Tar1 is now known as Tari
17:39 < TheStorm> Well i wanted to start boinc on hers, and mine doesn't seem to like WOL
17:40 < i_c-Y> never seen it abbreviated as CpE before.
17:40 < i_c-Y> have you considered getting her permission? and did you enable WOL?
17:40 < TheStorm> Marquette uses COEN
17:40 < i_c-Y> COEN?
17:40 < TheStorm> i_c-Y, she's not home and she really doesn't care what I do with her comp as she only uses it for email and such
17:41 < TheStorm> Computer Engineering
17:41 < TheStorm> I may switch to EECE (Electrical and Computer Engineering) though
17:41 < mokomull> A&M has CEEN and CECN for the electrical and computer tracks of computer engineering
17:43 < i_c-Y> We have a ECE department, but everyone calls it EE.
17:44 < i_c-Y> i think in my year CompE is the biggest group
17:44 < TheStorm> Classes start for me on monday also.
17:44 < i_c-Y> classes start on Sept 8 for me
17:44 < i_c-Y> debating if i want to add or drop a class or two
17:45 < i_c-Y> i might have signed up for too many as it is, but im not sure yet
17:45 < TheStorm> I'm kinda regreting the chioce to commute instead of stay in te droms since Marquette has insane Interwubs
17:46 < i_c-Y> how far isthe commute?
17:46 < TheStorm> Depends on weather I come from my mom's or my dad's house but its about 10-20 Min either way
17:47 < i_c-Y> thats not bad - id definately commute if my parents lived that close to my school.
17:48 < TheStorm> it saves like $10000 a year so its worth it but it still sucks not being able to use the 50Mb/s DL that the dorms have
17:49 < i_c-Y> and presumably your home has a better laundry machine and you can bum food off your parents and stuff
17:49 < TheStorm> That too
17:50 < i_c-Y> i might commute senior year considering i dont really have any requirements i need to fill - just grad school apps maybe
17:53 < TheStorm> But my dad has no Internet besides my Phone + Internet shareing
17:53 < TheStorm> and his only optionsvin the area are Radio, satilite or Dialup. 
17:56 < BrandonW> |Omega|, respect is not smoething you'll see much of in this channel.
17:56 < BrandonW> something*
17:57 < BrandonW> I awoke to a wonderful text message from chronomex saying he hates me. :(
17:57 < i_c-Y> :D
17:57 < i_c-Y> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8220274.stm
17:57 < Merthsoft> BrandonW is my favorite
17:58 < TheStorm> hmm it seems my desktop is up but my router doesn't realize it
17:58 < TheStorm> thank you nmap :P
17:59 < TheStorm> oh wait that's my mom's comp, well either way one more comp for boinc
18:04 < BrandonW> haha, TI's forcing Reddit to take down the article on this.
18:05 <@Andy_J> link?
18:05 < i_c-Y> hahahaa
18:06 < BrandonW> http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/9fkzd/censorship_on_reddit_yes_here_is_the_evidence/
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18:09 < BrandonW> A guy at work has very high connections at reddit, he'll probably want to know about that.
18:12 <@Andy_J> the only possible problem they could have with keys is having the 73 key out in the open
18:12 <@Andy_J> because then you can easily make a 73 into an 83+
18:12 < BrandonW> ...what?
18:12 <@Andy_J> that's the *only* copyright violation that can happen
18:12 < BrandonW> The keys have nothing to do with it, and I've already released tools to do that.
18:12 < TheStorm> ^
18:13 <@Andy_J> BrandonW: I'm saying they can't possibly be worried about copyright violations
18:13 < BrandonW> Even with the 73 OS key, the tools have to heavily patch the 83+ OS, which most certainly does violate lots of stuff.
18:13 < BrandonW> None of this have they complained about, just the numbers.
18:13 <@Andy_J> Yes, *that* is the copyright violation.
18:13 <@Andy_J> They should be DMCAing about that
18:13 <@Andy_J> not this
18:14 < BrandonW> They clearly have no idea what's going on with their calculators.
18:14 < BrandonW> Their current silence may be an attempt to understand all this.
18:15 < Tari> or their lawyers asking for raises after doing nothing for years
18:15 < Randomist>    esac
18:16 < BrandonW> Now I have to buy a frame.
18:16 <@Andy_J> for/
18:16 < i_c-Y> the DMCA notice.
18:17 < BrandonW> I have it printed all nice and neatly with the factors at the bottom.
18:17 < Randomist> Should have peer-to-peered it.  They can't take that down.
18:17 < i_c-Y> unless if htey kill all the peers
18:17 < Tari> Randomist, haven't you made a torrent?
18:18 < Randomist> I can't do it from here.
18:18 < Randomist> Campus Internet won't allow me.
18:18 <+JoeYoung_> torrent containing what? I could make one
18:19 < Tari> I can do it, given the .key files
18:19 < Tari> or just how the .key files are constructed
18:19 < Merthsoft> they're just numbers, how can someone tell you you'
18:19 < Merthsoft> re not allowed to have them displayed
18:20 < Randomist> Divide the numbers by two and display them?
18:20 < Randomist> Then you're not doing anything wrong.  ;)
18:20 < Merthsoft> if they appear somewhere in the hex of a compiled program, is it illegal to distribute that program?
18:20 < BrandonW> They're primes, idiot.
18:20 < Tari> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_prime
18:20 < Tari> it's not quite the same, but close
18:20 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: you can divide a prime by 2, its just not an integer anymore :)
18:21 < Randomist> BrandonW:  Exactly.
18:21 < Merthsoft> i get the idea of what an illegal prime is, i don't see how they have an real authority
18:21  * Randomist goes to work on his login manager.
18:22 <+JoeYoung_> can you copyright a number? O_o
18:22 < BrandonW> Tari, a .key file is a 3-line text file, first line n, second line p, third line q. All numbers are length-indexed Little Endian. That'si t.
18:22 <@Andy_J> you can copyright a book
18:22 < BrandonW> That's it.*
18:22 <@Andy_J> you can copyright a number
18:22 <@Andy_J> there's no difference, it's just a sequence of characters
18:22 <+krisk> since you can copyright software and software can be stored as a number...
18:22 < Randomist> Is fourty-two copyrighted?  ;P
18:22 < Randomist> * forty
18:22 <@Andy_J> in some contexts, perhaps
18:23 <+JoeYoung_> They'll sue everyone who uses the number 42
18:23 < Randomist> "I'm forty-two years old!"  "Give me your money!"
18:23 <+JoeYoung_> thats retarded
18:23 <+JoeYoung_> :/
18:24 <+JoeYoung_> Ok, I'm copyrighting the number 32592749563245619634587912634087560920101285261834023016087683460613405874605781322956936.
18:24 < TheStorm> lol
18:24 <+JoeYoung_> So now I'll sue anyone who uses it.
18:24 < BrandonW> You used it, sue yourself.
18:24 <@Andy_J> That isn't a prime so why would anyone want to use it
18:24 < DrDnar> You have register with the US Copyright office before you can sue for it.
18:24 <+JoeYoung_> I own it, smart one. I can use it.
18:24 < BrandonW> It still boggles the mind how United TI is even still up.
18:25 < BrandonW> I would've figured that guy would crumble days ago.
18:25 < Randomist> 32592749563245619634587912634087560920101285261834023016087683461613405874605781322956936.
18:25 < Randomist> Wha'chu gon' do now?
18:25 < DrDnar> If you don't register within six months after an infringment, you lose a lot of rights.
18:25 < TheStorm> BrandonW, I think TI is going for specific posters rather than the whole site, at least that is what I appears to me
18:26 <+JoeYoung_> Nothing because it was just an example and I never really owned that number :P
18:26 < Randomist> "I have decided to licesce this number under Creative Commons."
18:26 <+JoeYoung_> Could TI shut down Ticalc if it wanted too?
18:26 < Tari> I don't think so.
18:26 < Randomist> JoeYoung_:  Not if they move.
18:27 < Tari> "All posts are property of the respective posters" or some such is somewhere there, I expect
18:27 < BrandonW> I imagine they could, actually.
18:27 < DrDnar> TI links to TI-Calc on their website.
18:27 <@Andy_J> ticalc isn't in USA
18:27 < BrandonW> They've gotten people with "TI" in the domain to go away before.
18:27 <@Andy_J> DMCA doesn't apply
18:27 < BrandonW> DrDnar, no, they don't.
18:27 <+JoeYoung_> Also, is this the first time we've had legal troubles with TI?
18:27 < BrandonW> They don't acknowledge ticalc.org anymore.
18:27 < i_c-Y> Andy_J: think of the financial resources that TI has though.
18:27 < BrandonW> Not after the ticalc.org CD fiasco.
18:27 < i_c-Y> they could crush you, and kill you and your family and get away with it.
18:27 <@Andy_J> they also don't actually host the key
18:27 < i_c-Y> and get rid of ticalc.org
18:28 <+krisk> and kick your dog
18:28 <@E-J> <3 ticalc.org cd
18:28 < TheStorm> they still link to calcg.org though
18:28 < BrandonW> JoeYoung_, no, this is not the first time.
18:28 < Randomist> "Google has the key, too.  Wha'chu gon' do?"
18:28 < Randomist> "Sue Google?"
18:28 <+JoeYoung_> i_c-Y: financially fueled by the sale of TI calculators! :D
18:28 <@Andy_J> Randomist: Ban you for typing like an idiot.
18:28 < BrandonW> Somebody asked me for the key and I linked them to Tari's site.
18:28 < BrandonW> In e-mail.
18:28 < Tari> :D
18:29 < TheStorm> lol :)
18:29 <+JoeYoung_> E-J: there's a ticalc.org CD?
18:29 <@E-J> yes
18:29 < Randomist> Andy_J:  No, no, "dis iz tipin liek idiot."
18:29 < DrDnar> Check here: http://education.ti.com/studentzone/stuff/gamesSoftware.html
18:29 < DrDnar> The FinnPack link goes to TI-calc
18:29 < i_c-Y> haha calg is linked
18:30 < BrandonW> Holy crap, DrDnar.
18:30 < DrDnar> http://education.ti.com/downloads/misc/TiltMaze.txt
18:30 < BrandonW> Someone should inform them of this.
18:30 < TheStorm> I just said that :/
18:30 <+JoeYoung_> "Buy now! Your purchase of a TI Calculator could fund our assasination attempt of BrandonW and his family!"
18:30 < BrandonW> I would love for a TI representative to come visit me.
18:30 < TheStorm> and the TI-Tiltmaze is hosted by TI
18:30 < TheStorm> ticalc*
18:30 <@E-J> asmand: have you seen that page?
18:30 < DrDnar> And TiltMaze is on a subdomain of Ti-calc
18:30 <+JoeYoung_> lol
18:30 < BrandonW> My name's far more common than Benjamin Moody, perhaps they just can't find me.
18:31 < i_c-Y> I hear Agent 47 works for TI.
18:31 <+JoeYoung_> BrandonW, what kind of past troubles? What happened before all this?
18:31 < DrDnar> "BWAHAHA! TRACK ME DOWN, BITCHES!"
18:31 < BrandonW> Another Brandon Wilson even went to my college.
18:31 < Randomist> At least until they come across the TiLP logs.
18:31 < |Omega|> Lol.
18:31 < BrandonW> JoeYoung_, there's the ticalc.org CD for one.
18:31 < Randomist> * TCPA
18:31 < i_c-Y> your domain info isnt private, BrandonW :-/
18:31 < BrandonW> Then there's the previous confrontation with Herbert Foster over third-party OSes.
18:31 < i_c-Y> not that its up to date maybe
18:31 <+JoeYoung_> tell me all about ticalc.org CD :O
18:32 < Randomist> JoeYoung_:  It essentially had calc porn on it.
18:32 < BrandonW> Isn't there a wiki on this? Or do I still have to repeat myself?
18:32 < Randomist> By accident.
18:32 <+JoeYoung_> tell me all about 3rd party OS's :O
18:32 < Randomist> And someone's bitchy parents got mad.
18:32 <+JoeYoung_> :/
18:32 <+JoeYoung_>  
18:32 <@E-J> JoeYoung_: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/5/53/53866.html
18:32 < BrandonW> Someone's mommy got mad and complained, and TI recalled the CDs.
18:32 < BrandonW> Some of us still have them.
18:32 < BrandonW> Like E-J, I think.
18:32 <+JoeYoung_> ooh :O
18:32 <@E-J> yes i have it
18:32 <+JoeYoung_> is there an ISO?
18:32 < TheStorm> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/5/53/53866.html
18:32  * Randomist digs...
18:32 < BrandonW> The content's very dated.
18:33 < BrandonW> The disc itself is what we all want.
18:33 <@E-J> i thought it was because of drugwars
18:33 < BrandonW> I think that was the main complaint.
18:33 <+JoeYoung_> haha
18:33 <+JoeYoung_> But whose fault was that? TI's?
18:33 < BrandonW> ticalc.org was shut down for weeks while they meticulously went through the archives and removed everything like that.
18:33 < Randomist> Damn pussy-parents.
18:33 < BrandonW> It was a period of darkness in the community.
18:34 < BrandonW> It's why you see all sorts of warnings on the site now.
18:34 < BrandonW> About submitting things.
18:34 <+JoeYoung_> hold on, xchat's doing stupid stuff again. hold on a min while i restart it!
18:34 < Randomist> Today, we are going to learn about computers and marijuana.
18:34 -!- JoeYoung_ [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:34 < Tari> http://pastebin.com/d69aaff70
18:34 < Randomist> krisk, if you will please.
18:34 < Tari> 0A.key
18:34 < DrDnar> Aren't they the same thing?
18:34 -!- JoeYoung [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa
18:34 < JoeYoung> kk
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18:35 < BrandonW> Get me 04.key and I'll put them both on brandonw.net.
18:35 < BrandonW> And see if they notice.
18:35 < Tari> that's coming up
18:35 < DrDnar>  /stuff or /crap ?
18:35 < Randomist> http://pastebay.com/43025
18:35 < Randomist> @ BrandonW 
18:35 < BrandonW> I was going to put it in /calcstuff/.
18:35 < BrandonW> God help me if they go through /crap/.
18:36 <+krisk> can someone highlight me please?
18:36 < Randomist> krisk, krisk, krisk.
18:36 < DrDnar> Yeah, I noticed a new file dated Aug 30.
18:36 < TheStorm> lol, yeah well don't you have disassemblies in Calcstuff also
18:36 < BrandonW> Randomist, ...04.key, not the numbers. I obviosuly have that.
18:36 < BrandonW> obviously*
18:36 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW, there were previous third party OS troubles?
18:36 <+krisk> one more time?
18:36 < BrandonW> Michael Vincent worked on CEPTIC, his own OS, and said he would help to patch the TI-OS and he got an e-mail from Herbert Foster.
18:37 < BrandonW> Not as formal as ours.
18:37 < i_c-Y> <BrandonW> Then there's the previous confrontation with Herbert Foster over third-party OSes.
18:37 < BrandonW> But it sparked a 50+ page forum thread on Detached Solutions.
18:37 < Tari> http://pastebin.com/d60ed897a 04.key
18:37 < Randomist> Did someone put in on Slashdot?
18:37 <+JoeYoung> is it still there?
18:37 < BrandonW> I believe it is, yes.
18:37 < BrandonW> Still there.
18:38 <+JoeYoung> :/
18:38 < Tari> may as well make files for the 68k keys, too
18:38 < BrandonW> I have no idea how you would apply the 68k keys, they probably don't have .key files.
18:39 < BrandonW> Very unlikely they use Little Endian, too.
18:40 < Tari> ah, ok
18:41 < BrandonW> Oh we must get the date stamp key to BOINC.
18:41 < BrandonW> It's the same on the 73 and 83+.
18:41 < BrandonW> Permanent.
18:42 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW: there are a lot of topics. lnk please?
18:42 < BrandonW> To?
18:42 <+JoeYoung> the 50-page topic
18:42 < BrandonW> I'd have to find it.
18:42 < BrandonW> And I don't really want to.
18:42 <@Andy_J> look for the thread with 50 pages
18:42 <+JoeYoung> :/
18:43 <+JoeYoung> k
18:43 < BrandonW> So this debate is not new to us.
18:43 < BrandonW> Somewhere deep down in there, the consensus was made that it's okay to write third-party OSes, distribute them, and even transfer them to real calculators, just don't distribute the method.
18:44 < BrandonW> "The method" at the time was simply pulling a battery, so this is a little different.
18:44 < BrandonW> Now we have pulling the battery (73/83+ only), OS senders and receivers using exploits, certificate updates using exploits, and now the factors to sign it directly.
18:44 < DrDnar> Oh, I thought "the method" was counting days since . . . 
18:46 < BrandonW> They of course cannot fix the last method, and I doubt they will ever fix the middle two methods...if they made an attempt, we could get around it easily.
18:46 < BrandonW> As far as pulling the battery, they already fixed that on the 84+/SE.
18:47 < TheStorm> useing something like the boinc would this be possible for the Nspire or is it still unobtainable?
18:47 < BrandonW> We have NO KNOWLEDGE of the Nspire, this doesn't apply at all.
18:47 < BrandonW> There are no keys to factor.
18:47 < BrandonW> We don't even know the algorithms.
18:47 < TheStorm> ahh ok
18:47 < BrandonW> I don't understand why people keep asking that.
18:48 < TheStorm> Because the UTI thread lead me to beleive we knew more than I guess we do
18:48 < BrandonW> The only way we will ever see Nspire progress is by dumping the boot code or the unencrypted OS straight off the chip.
18:48 < BrandonW> And attempts to do that have failed.
18:48 < DrDnar> We need to get an electrical engineering student to put a bus sniffer or something on it.
18:49 < TheStorm> If me or tari get a Nspire one of us may be able to do that, in the future
18:50 < DrDnar> People have already tried dumping the OS off the RAM chip>
18:50 < BrandonW> Off the Flash chips.
18:50 <+JoeYoung> If I'm still here 7 years from now....
18:50 <+JoeYoung> I hope I do something awesome
18:50 < BrandonW> It's my belief that TI has done something to prevent it.
18:51 < BrandonW> JoeYoung, you will, if you keep at it.
18:51 < BrandonW> There was a time when we all knew absolutely nothing.
18:52 <+JoeYoung> I want to do something awesome in basic first. hence pokemon :/
18:52 < BrandonW> That's kind of an oxymoron.
18:52 <+JoeYoung> then I think I'll put some serious thought into asm
18:52 < BrandonW> It's hard to impress BASIC people.
18:52 <+JoeYoung> <_<
18:52 < Tari> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5074079
18:53 < BrandonW> They know more than we think...they've done some hard core digging into the OS to find strange things.
18:53 < BrandonW> Like Get("L
18:53 <+JoeYoung> no, it'll just impresses those people who come to ticalc solely for the games o_o
18:53  * Nikky curbstomps JoeYoung 
18:53 < DrDnar> Get("L ?
18:53 <+krisk> woooyay new Psych episodes
18:53 < BrandonW> It returns the current language.
18:53 <+krisk> downloaded
18:53 <+JoeYoung> :(
18:53 <+JoeYoung> downloaded
18:54 <@Andy_J> trying to connect to the tracker
18:54 <+JoeYoung> but no seeds yet :(
18:54 <+JoeYoung> oh shit
18:54 <+JoeYoung> done
18:54 < DrDnar> Current language?
18:54 < BrandonW> It usually returns 265, which is 0109h, which is the word at (localLanguage). It's a little cryptic because 09h is the significant part (English).
18:54 <+JoeYoung> downloading
18:54 < DrDnar> Oooh.
18:54 < Tari> http://www.mininova.org/tor/2901490
18:54 < TheStorm> Tari Get that on my Server
18:54 < Tari> will do
18:54 < DrDnar> Why have that and never document it?
18:55 < BrandonW> There's all sorts of stuff that's not documented.
18:55 < TheStorm> DrDnar, the 86 is even worse when it comes to un documented stuff
18:55 < BrandonW> Imagine the 83+ manual trying to explain that you have to strip off the upper bits to get the language from that.
18:55 < DrDnar> Text(-1 is about all I know
18:55 <@Andy_J> Send(9
18:55 <@Andy_J> :p
18:55 < BrandonW> prgm0000
18:55 < DrDnar> Don't have an 83
18:55 < BrandonW> :)
18:56 <@Andy_J> what's that one?
18:56 < TheStorm> Tari, also have it seed forever
18:56 < BrandonW> It's what lets you execute inline assembly on the TI-73.
18:56  * TheStorm knew that one
18:56 <@Andy_J> I'm not having luck connecting to either tracker
18:56 <+JoeYoung> Text(-1) ?
18:56 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/73dev/73assembly.txt Read that.
18:56 <+JoeYoung> wuzzat?
18:56 < DrDnar> Text(-1,y,x,text
18:57 < DrDnar> It puts the text on the graphscreen in the big font
18:57 < BrandonW> I wrote a program that would take TASM output and create a 73P file, either squished or unsquished, in that format.
18:57 <@Andy_J> BrandonW: Holy shit.
18:57 <@Andy_J> That is amazing.
18:59 < BrandonW> I know, right? That's what I was proposing we patch into the 83+ OS.
18:59 < BrandonW> There ARE 73 OS versions that don't include this, namely 1.3004.
18:59 < BrandonW> I believe 1.40+ has it.
18:59 < BrandonW> (current is 1.91)
18:59 <@Andy_J> I wonder why they added that
19:00 < BrandonW> To see if we'd find it.
19:00 < BrandonW> There are no Asm( tokens obviously, and Send(9 is awkward.
19:00 < TheStorm> well as far as I knowl they never used it so who knows
19:00 < BrandonW> So they had to come up with something.
19:00 < BrandonW> And this is definitely more flexible.
19:00 < BrandonW> BASIC programmers would go apeshit over this.
19:00 < BrandonW> It was DESIGNED to resume execution on the line immediately after.
19:00 < TheStorm> which is feakin awesome
19:01 < TheStorm> useing that libs like xlib become inline, Shells like DCS can add features for basic programers etc
19:01 < TheStorm> without the use of hooks
19:01 < BrandonW> I never did write a template loader which would swap your code to wherever you wanted it (like userMem) to get around the 900-byte restriction.
19:01 < BrandonW> I never ended up writing any 73 programs larger than 900 bytes.
19:02 < DrDnar> I wonder if they put the 900-byte restriction in there just to irk us.
19:02 < BrandonW> There is of course no ACTUAL size restriction, it just won't copy more than 900 bytes to appData. The rest you do yourself.
19:02 < BrandonW> It's the absolute hard limit of what you can use at appData, so it makes sense.
19:03 < TheStorm> well if you compilled it couldn't you jsut jump into the program it was called from?
19:03 < DrDnar> Still, they couldn't do it like on the 83+?
19:03 < BrandonW> It's basically "check to make sure it's <= 900, then ldir to appData"
19:03 < BrandonW> It's quicker for them to copy to temporary RAM and run.
19:04 < BrandonW> It's what they do with ONSCRPT/OFFSCRPT.
19:04 < BrandonW> I wouldn't be surprised if they ripped the code straight from that, frankly.
19:04 < BrandonW> Both go to 8001h.
19:04 < BrandonW> Which is awkward.
19:04 <@Andy_J> what is at 8000h?
19:04 < BrandonW> appData, scratch space for app/OS headers and whatnot.
19:04 < BrandonW> Receiving OS link packets, etc.
19:04 <@Andy_J> I mean, why 8001h instead of 8000h?
19:05 < BrandonW> They're retarded.
19:05 <@Andy_J> Silly me, why would I expect there to be a good reason for TI to do anything.
19:05 < BrandonW> With ONSCRPT/OFFSCRPT, it's because they forgot an "inc hl" or something to get past the size bytes.
19:05 < BrandonW> So the second size byte goes to 8000h.
19:05 < BrandonW> And your code starts at 8001h.
19:06 < BrandonW> It still executes at 8000h, so it's important that the second size byte is "00h" (meaning the entire size is less than 256 bytes) so it executes "nop".
19:06 < BrandonW> TI is really too stupid to live.
19:06 < BrandonW> Oh, oh, wait, "epic fail".
19:06 < BrandonW> It's already well-established so they can't fix it.
19:08 < Nikky> TI is god-like.
19:08 < Nikky> Everything they say and do is correct.
19:08 < BrandonW> Except when it involves factoring large integers.
19:09 < DrDnar> Ya know BrandonW, if you wanted the letter hand delievered, you should have told them you don't trust e-mail.
19:10 < Nikky> What letter?
19:10 < BrandonW> I was afraid they'd find a way to take down the server or domain.
19:10 < DrDnar> The DMCA letter.
19:10 < Nikky> Oh, that one
19:10 < Nikky> haw haw
19:10 < DrDnar> BrandonW really wanted a personal visit.
19:10 < BrandonW> I wish they'd go through what's in /calcstuff/.
19:10 < BrandonW> I really do, but I really don't.
19:10 < Nikky> :)
19:10 < BrandonW> Because they would destroy me.
19:11 <+JoeYoung> I think it's totally funny that despite all this TI nonsense, life in the BASIC community goes on....
19:11 < Nikky> I' was the one who tipped them off to the key
19:11 < BrandonW> I'm not strong, in all actuality they probably would make me cry and stuff. But I'd internalize it, take a few minutes, come back on here and continue to spread it.
19:11 < Nikky> BASIC? What a joke
19:12 <+JoeYoung> oh shite, BrandonW
19:12 <+JoeYoung> what a directory
19:12 < Nikky> fail
19:13 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/allCalcs.jpg I really need to update this.
19:13 < Nikky> yes you do
19:13 < Nikky> slacker
19:15 < BrandonW> Should the new one include the broken ones, too?
19:15 <+JoeYoung> No
19:15 < BrandonW> I have half an 81 in an 82 case, a broken Voyage 200, a broken 84+SE, a broken 86, and a few others.
19:15 < Nikky> if you destroyed them, yes
19:15 <@Andy_J> make two pictures
19:15 <@Andy_J> one of working, one of everything including non-functional
19:15 < Nikky> make your face
19:16 < Nikky> ooo
19:17 < Nikky> flickr upload makes me cry
19:19 <+JoeYoung> haha
19:19 < Nikky> :
19:19 < Nikky> :(
19:19 <+JoeYoung> speaking of faces.... I haven't cut my hair since I sent you that picture while you were hospitalized, Nikky :P
19:19 < Nikky> nice
19:19 < Nikky> I don't rememer that picture
19:20 <+JoeYoung> yeah, you said you were gonna add it to the gallery but I guess you forgot (mtgrss111)
19:21 <+JoeYoung> :/
19:22 <+JoeYoung> :(
19:22 < Nikky> I was pretty hopped up on oxy
19:22 <+JoeYoung> lol
19:26 < TheStorm> I should update mine also
19:26 < TheStorm> maybe give you one of my senior pics
19:28 < Nikky> no hurry
19:28 < Nikky> I don't have access to that database for a month
19:28 < TheStorm> lol
19:29 < TheStorm> why not?
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19:29 < Nikky> that computer is 5500 miles away
19:29 < Nikky> that's why
19:29 <@Andy_J> is that all?
19:29 < Nikky> it might be more
19:29 < Nikky> I lost track
19:30 < Nikky> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3500/3871111587_f73ed5f08a_o.jpg
19:30 < Nikky> RAWR ANDY_J
19:30 < TheStorm> jalbum has a cli interface why not use ssh?
19:31 < Nikky> That would involve bugging my roommates to turn it on, and enter my various passwords
19:31 < Nikky> and have them insert that harddrive
19:32 < TheStorm> that fact that you would have to do all that is kinda scary
19:32 <@Andy_J> secure!
19:33 < Nikky> yeah
19:33 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: you doing anything with that 84 i sent you yet?
19:34 < Nikky> NO SHUT UP MERTHSOFT
19:34 < Randomist> "Di'ja get that thing I sent ya?"
19:34 <+krisk> hi guys
19:34 < Randomist> Also, hello.
19:35 < TheStorm> On BrandonW have you rewritten your PHP calc over the internet thing yet?
19:35 < DrDnar> BrandonW, in reference to the archive, wouldn't a status byte of 0FFh mean the sector is empty>
19:36 < DrDnar> And what does the status byte 0FCh mean?
19:37 < BrandonW> Yes, and 0FCh means it's in use.
19:37 < BrandonW> My documentation on that might have some flaws.
19:37 < BrandonW> TheStorm, no, not yet.
19:37 < BrandonW> Merthsoft, NO I AM GOING TO USE IT FOR THE CALC OVER INTERNET THING WHEN I GET THE TIME
19:38 < DrDnar> I though 0F0h meant it had data?
19:38 < Merthsoft> :( everyone is yelling at me...
19:38 < TheStorm> lol, Ok well when you do I want to get one setup for myself
19:38 < DrDnar> My undeleter actually ignores 0FCh because I didn't see it being used.
19:39 < BrandonW> I thought 0F0h meant deletion.
19:39 < BrandonW> I'm not sure you'd even see that on a sector status byte.
19:40 < BrandonW> I would figure 0FFh means it's empty, anything else means you should be looking at it.
19:41 < DrDnar> My page 10h starts with 0F0h
19:41 < DrDnar> As does 14, 18, and 1C.
19:42 < BrandonW> I guess I'm completely wrong.
19:42 <+krisk> i have a potentially interesting tech question
19:42 < BrandonW> It's been a long time since I looked at it.
19:43 < asmand> someone said something to me a while ago
19:43 < asmand> on here
19:44 <@Andy_J> it was E-J at some point
19:45 < asmand> "have you seen that page"
19:45 < asmand> what page? :)
19:45 <@E-J> asmand: http://education.ti.com/studentzone/stuff/gamesSoftware.html
19:46 <+JoeYoung> THE PAGE
19:46 <+JoeYoung> GAWD
19:46 <+krisk> say you have 2 computers and you want their OS/user environments to be the exact same, how would you do it?
19:47 < Tari> set one up and clone the disc to the other
19:47 <+krisk> i mean constantly
19:47  * chronomex yawns
19:47 < Tari> network root
19:47 <+krisk> say you log into one comp one moment and the other after an hour
19:47 <+krisk> and then back again
19:48 <@E-J> linux
19:48 < TheStorm> Network root
19:48 <+krisk> and want it to be like you logged in the same thing every time
19:48 <+krisk> and no linux because linux sucks ass
19:48 <@chronomex> good morning #tcpa :)
19:48 <+krisk> hi
19:48 <@Andy_J> morning?
19:48 <@E-J> good night chronomex
19:48 < Nikky> clone
19:48 < TheStorm> krisk, you can setup a user in windows to use a share as their "home" directory
19:49 <@chronomex> close enough, it's still the 12 o'clock hour
19:49 <+krisk> yes but that isnt enough
19:50 < TheStorm> remote desktop ont eh seond comp?
19:50 < TheStorm> the*
19:50 <+krisk> no it needs to be local
19:50 <@E-J> make your own
19:50 <+krisk> the whole point of having two seperate PCs is seperate hardware - but nothing else
19:50 < TheStorm> boot from network drive?
19:50 <+krisk> the idea is its for LAN gaming and load balancing
19:51 <@Andy_J> krisk: you'll need a domain controller
19:51 <@Andy_J> which requires windows server and yet another box
19:51 <+krisk> hmhmm
19:51 <@Andy_J> or a linux server at least
19:51 <@Andy_J> you *can* do it with samba
19:51 < TheStorm> I'm not sure if anyone has done it successfully with samba but it should be possible
19:52 <@Andy_J> ...
19:52 <+krisk> would a router with a network drive and third party firmware be capable of doing something like this
19:52 <@Andy_J> *I've* done it with samba
19:52 <@Andy_J> it isn't hard ata all.
19:52 <@Andy_J> they tell you how
19:52 <+krisk> im not going to use linux.
19:52 <@Andy_J> krisk: no, you need an actual domain controller for windows to do this right
19:52 <+krisk> hmm
19:52 <@Andy_J> you can't have your profile on a shared drive *unless* it's a domain
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19:53 <+krisk> what kind of specs would one need on a box that does nothing but be the domain controller for those two pcs?
19:53 <@Andy_J> more than is worth it
19:53 < TheStorm> a PIII could do it
19:53 < Randomist> krisk:  68k calculator.
19:53 <@Andy_J> windows server needs more than xp.
19:53 < TheStorm> Andy_J, not true
19:53 <@Andy_J> Randomist: are you trying to be stupid enough to get banned?
19:53 <@Andy_J> TheStorm: not much mroe ,but more :P
19:53 <+krisk> all systems would have WIndows 7 Enterprise/Ultimate
19:54 < TheStorm> I've run windows server 2003 on a pII machine
19:54 <@Andy_J> krisk: unless you shell out for the $expensive windows server, you're not going to get this to happen.
19:54 < TheStorm> oh right he's not in the US, he can
19:54 <+krisk> wat?
19:54 < TheStorm> can't jsut grab a copy form dreamspark
19:55 <+krisk> win server 2008 would be an option?
19:55 <@Andy_J> yes
19:55 <+krisk> ok what happens when one of the PCs logs on?
19:55 <+krisk> will it take ages to do so?
19:56 <@E-J> with vista it will
19:56 <+krisk> not using Vista
19:56 <@Andy_J> it doesn't take long
19:56 <@Andy_J> it keeps a copy locally
19:56 <@Andy_J> you just have to make sure you set it up right
19:56 <+krisk> yeah but will it redownload or synch and how much? just the user dir?
19:56 <@Andy_J> yeah
19:56 <+krisk> ok that wont be much
19:56 <@Andy_J> you'll still have to install apps on both computers, or make the DC push them out
19:57 <+krisk> hmm
19:57 <+krisk> thats not very efficient
19:57 <@Andy_J> krisk: it honestly probably isn't worth it.
19:57 <@Andy_J> for jsut 2 computers
19:57 <+krisk> yeah that doesnt sound like it
19:57 < TheStorm> Andy_J, can Windows Xp Pro do some of that or does it require windows Server?
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19:58 <@Andy_J> ... can xp pro be a domain controller?
19:58 <@Andy_J> didn't think so.
19:58 <+krisk> some kind of hdd mirroring would be more effective i suppose
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19:58 <+krisk> hmm but i do need both pcs to be able to log into an account at the same time (may be seperate accounts, but with all the same apps)
19:59 <+Netham45> ooh, windows server discussion.
19:59 < TheStorm> lol your a little late Netham45 :P
19:59 <+Netham45> :(
19:59 < TheStorm> krisk, already decided it was overkill
20:00 < Randomist> Thank $diety.
20:00 < TheStorm> Hey Netham45 do you think it would be to difficult to get a copy of exchange server 2007?
20:00 < Randomist> BitTorrent.
20:01 <+Netham45> TheStorm, MS gives out 120 day trials of it somewhere on technet
20:01 < TheStorm> I know you can get a RC of 2010 but that is 64bit only
20:01 <+krisk> would it be possible to have one pc copy the other's user profiel to a second profile on boot?
20:01 <+Netham45> 2007 is 64-bit only too.
20:01 < TheStorm> :(
20:01 < Randomist> (You didn't say "legal copies."  :])
20:01 <+Netham45> krisk, roaming profiles?
20:01 <+krisk> well, say User1 is logged in on PC1. PC2 boots and makes a User2 as a copy of User1.
20:02 < TheStorm> I only have a 32bit version of server 2003, though I may have a server2008 disk somewhere, no clue if it's 32 or 64 bit though
20:02 <+Netham45> TheStorm, dreamspark only gives x86 discs
20:02 <+krisk> actually synch the whole windows dir except drivers
20:02 <+Netham45> again, there's x64 discs on technet somewhere
20:02 < TheStorm> o'rly well then its x86 :/
20:02 < TheStorm> but I'd need a key so that doesn't help
20:03 <+Netham45> krisk, copying and overwriting the entire windows directory *while running* would be impossible.
20:03 <+krisk> could i do that somehow?
20:03 <+Netham45> TheStorm,dreamspark keys work on x64 too.
20:03 <+Netham45> krisk, not while Windows was booted, no.
20:03 <+krisk> preboot
20:03 < bsparks> w00t
20:03 < TheStorm> ahh ok, good to know, though I don't have any spare 64bit compatible pc's
20:04 <+Netham45> krisk, I suppose, but you'd have to write some special code to handle it. Also, copying the registry over would kill all the drivers, too. That'd also kill alot of other changes.
20:04 <+krisk> hmm
20:04 < TheStorm> too bad the Pentium D doesn't have Intel-VT
20:05 < TheStorm> krisk, a roaming profile would be  a better option
20:05 <+Netham45> ^
20:05 <+Netham45> you can just keep installed apps synchronized through GPOs.
20:05 <+krisk> but the second PC cant log into that when its in use on the first one right?
20:05 <+Netham45> wrong.
20:05 < TheStorm> though does that reaquire an extra comp for a domain controller?
20:06 <+krisk> how does that work then?
20:06 <+Netham45> uh
20:06 < TheStorm> require*
20:06 <+Netham45> not 100% sure, you may be able to get roaming profiles w/o a domain, tho a domain would make it much simpler.
20:06 < Nikky> Don't bother with Window$ horseshit.
20:06 <+Netham45> you'd want an always-on PC anyways.
20:06 <+krisk> gettign a domain controller is an option
20:07 < Randomist> Nikky for president.
20:07 <+krisk> i just want to think it all out in advance
20:07 <+krisk> and use the best solution
20:07 < TheStorm> hmm That would be a use for my spare celeron Comp... though I'm not sure if I have a use for it
20:08  * Randomist raises money to replace this crap top.
20:08 <+Netham45> I have 2 DCs set up at my house(for experimentation, mostly), 1 on a 1GHz Xeon with 1GB of RAM, and the other on a 733MHz PIII with 512 MB of RAM. Windows Server 08 and Server 03 on 'em.
20:09 < Nikky> We don't care.
20:09 < TheStorm> Randomist, hey its better than mine was so sush
20:09 < Randomist> <human-sysinfo> This machine has an AMD Turion(tm) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-80 processor with 2 cores, currently running at 2100.000 and 2100.000 MHz.  It runs an x86_64 version of Linux 2.6.30.5-vampire.
20:09 < Nikky> That's like saying you keep buckets of shit around the house to see how badly it smells.
20:10 < TheStorm> Randomist, try a 1.2Ghz Athlon mobile 4, 512MB ram and a SIS 630 Graphics chipset and then talk about crappy laptops
20:10 <+krisk> haha "You're not bald, you're just.. taller than your hair."
20:10 < asmand> ah yes, that page :)
20:11 <+krisk> hmm with the roaming profile how would i keep different hardware settings for games seperate?
20:11 < asmand> it has changed a lot since I saw it last
20:11 < Randomist> I want to get a desktop machine and put some i7s in it.
20:11 < Randomist> And a high-performance graphics card.
20:12 < Randomist> And a Raptor drive would be nice, too.
20:12 <+krisk> haha
20:13 <+krisk> what would you use that for
20:13 < Randomist> Studio stuff and games.
20:13 <+krisk> games dont need any of that
20:13 <+Netham45> krisk, they will in 2 years.
20:13 < TheStorm> he'd prolly run some minmalistic linux enviro and recompile his kernel every five min :P
20:13 <+krisk> haha
20:14 <+krisk> games do not need heavy processing
20:14 <+krisk> and certainly no high speed hdds
20:14 < DrDnar> I once tried Gentoo. Lynx was alright, and so was nethack. Never got X working.
20:14 < Randomist> More for the studio stuff.
20:14 <+krisk> just some ram a kinda nice gpu and a reasonably modern multi core cpu
20:14 < Randomist> Computer-generated instruments need lots of CPU.
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20:15 <+krisk> i can believe that
20:15 <+krisk> but games, nope
20:16 < DrDnar> Hardcore Linux geeks use VESA because the free drivers don't support anything better.
20:16 <+krisk> games need kinda up-to-date hardware @ 2560*1600
20:16 <+krisk> but even then.. eh
20:17 < Randomist> TheStorm:  Nah, I stick with Arch, and kernel update every month or two.
20:17 < |Omega|> Eew, Arch.
20:18 < |Omega|> I kernal update as soon as a new version is availablr
20:18 < |Omega|> s/r/e
20:18 < TheStorm> |Omega|, then why the Eew, Arch?
20:18 < Randomist> If I was not using AMD/ATi Catalist, I'd still be using Zen.
20:18 < |Omega|> Heh, No-one likes Arch
20:19 < Randomist> (The kernel, not the distro or hypervisor.)
20:19 < |Omega|> Yeah, yeah
20:19 < |Omega|> waninkoko works on it
20:20 < Nikky> yeah, at least one other person agrees that arch is lame
20:20 < Randomist> What's so bad about it?
20:20 < Nikky> it's shit
20:20 < Nikky> maintained by uninformed retards
20:20 < TheStorm> |Omega|, do I know you from somewhere?
20:21 < |Omega|> TheStorm: The Wii scene?
20:21 < TheStorm> Ahh ok, I'm the Guy Behind Archii :P
20:21 < |Omega|> Oh :p
20:21 < |Omega|> I remember that :p
20:21 < Nikky> That sounds like a horrible idea
20:22 < TheStorm> Nikky, It turns out it was :P
20:22 < |Omega|> Yeah, lol
20:22 < Randomist> It's bad when people say "$x sucks," and don't give a good reason why.
20:22 < TheStorm> but somehow people still like it more than xwhiite(debian), or Bliight(gentoo).
20:22 < |Omega|> Randomist: A friend of mien couldn't even get it installed.
20:22 < Nikky> I did give a good reason. Stop your bitching.
20:23 < TheStorm> Nikky, I will agree somewhat there some of the Arch maintaners are not the best
20:23 <+krisk> ok: 2 PCs that can easily run the latest games at max + 2 big monitors for LAN games vs consoles?
20:23 < Randomist> |Omega|:  This him?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hyv5JB4QpE
20:23 < Randomist> :P
20:24 < |Omega|> LOL
20:24 < i_c-Y> consoles are good because the graphics and what not are consistent
20:24 < i_c-Y> like for example
20:25 < i_c-Y> i can turn on the console
20:25 < i_c-Y> and with minimal work
20:25 < i_c-Y> start slitting peoples throats
20:25 < i_c-Y> and the console life cycle is what, a few years?
20:25 <+krisk> after the 2 hour loading time of course
20:26 <+krisk> well, for the price of 10 games I can buy a whole new high end gaming PC
20:26 <+krisk> or at least high mid end
20:26 < mokomull> but then you get to pay the same for 10 PC games
20:26 <+krisk> no
20:26 < i_c-Y> you're going to pirate them?
20:26 <+krisk> also, split screen sucks
20:27 <+krisk> wat?
20:27 < i_c-Y> so you're going to get a new pc for gaming
20:27 < i_c-Y> but no games?
20:27 < i_c-Y> a console is what, 200 bucks?
20:27 < i_c-Y> a gaming pc is what, 500+?
20:27 < _Auron|G1> PC versions of the games are $10 cheaper each
20:27 < asmand> I wonder what the actual different is between these models:
20:28 <+krisk> no I'm going to get a new PC. I'm also going to keep my current one. Observing that both would be able to run the latest games at max and would be standing next to eachother in my room and I have two monitors... hmm LAN games
20:28 < i_c-Y> and then after those 10 games you're going to want to still get new hardware for newer games.
20:28 < asmand> http://www.aiptek.eu/index.php?option=com_product&task=view&productid=184&Itemid=366
20:28 < asmand> http://www.aiptek.eu/index.php?option=com_product&task=view&productid=197&Itemid=385
20:28 < asmand> http://www.aiptek.eu/index.php?option=com_product&task=view&productid=171&Itemid=360
20:28 < i_c-Y> not going wacom?
20:28 < _Auron|G1> but the PC functions as much more than just a game machine
20:28 <+krisk> I'm not going to buy games
20:28 < |Omega|> The Arch linux dude mentioned Linux Mint :D That's what I'm running
20:28 <+krisk> and I'm not going to buy consoles cause they'd be 600-700 total too
20:29 < asmand> i_c-Y: if someone would donate a couple of hundred bucks, then yes, I would :P
20:29 <+krisk> but bear with me, lets say you have 2 gamean PCs hooked up to a monitor each and a console
20:29 <+krisk> which would be > ?
20:30 <@Andy_J> depends on the game
20:30 < asmand> these tablets are all under 100 bucks
20:30 <+krisk> any games you want
20:30 < asmand> would need to pay at least 350 for a wacom
20:30 < i_c-Y> krisk: not to mention xbl is convenient
20:31 <+krisk> wat?
20:31 < _Auron|G1> xbox live
20:31 <+krisk> oh.. ok..
20:32 < _Auron|G1> assuming 360
20:32 <+krisk> goddam its hard to get you people to give an opinion
20:32 <@Andy_J> it really depends on the game
20:32 <+krisk> 2 PCS vs a console FINAL DESTINATION LETS GO
20:32 < i_c-Y> if i wanted to play dmc4 when it came out, and i had a console, it was trivial - pop in the disk and play. id need a computer upgrade to get it to play decently on my computer.
20:32 <@Andy_J> you can't just say any games you want
20:33 <+JoeYoung> wtf why haven't everyone finished the torrent yet?
20:33 < i_c-Y> certain games play better with a console, and you also get some longitivity from a console that you dont really get froma  gaming pc wrt current games.
20:33 <+krisk> in a comparison if theres a variable make it the same for both cases ffs
20:33 <+krisk> if the games matter then assume you can get the games you like for either case
20:33 <@Andy_J> JoeYoung: I couldn't connect to either tracker
20:33 <+JoeYoung> wierd
20:33 < _Auron|G1> meanwhile there are games e.x. oblivion that has community mods whereas the console version does not
20:33 <@Andy_J> krisk: except game ports are different for different games
20:33 <@Andy_J> you an't just say whatever fucking game you want
20:33 <+krisk> argg
20:33 <@Andy_J>  you have to pick specific examples
20:34 < asmand> the playstation 2 has been active for 10 years
20:34 < _Auron|G1> like mine ^
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20:34 < asmand> (I have no idea what you're discussing here) :D
20:34 <+krisk> then form your opinion based on the games available on either platform if thats what decides it for you ffs
20:34 < i_c-Y> you're an idiot krisk 
20:34 <@Andy_J> then get both.
20:34 < _Auron|G1> FPS GAMES BELONG ON PC
20:34 < asmand> I just think it's amazing that I can buy a brand new game from the store, that works perfectly on 10 year old hardware
20:34 <@Andy_J> there are some great games that exist for both platforms
20:34 < _Auron|G1> 'nuff said
20:35 < bsparks> !k krisk stop acting like you are 10
20:35 -!- krisk was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [Zeromus: stop acting like you are 10]
20:35 < i_c-Y> asmand: and some games are better on console than on pc and vice versa
20:35 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #tcpa
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20:35 < i_c-Y> thats the point we're making but krisk is like WHAT TELL ME WUTS BETTAR
20:35 < asmand> i_c-Y: true dat
20:35 <+krisk> Im not saying i know better at all
20:35 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW please tell me at all if my comp does something significant, cause it hates this constant level of activity :D
20:35 <@Andy_J> krisk: if you're going to be an ass about it, get a commodore 64. It's both.
20:35 <+krisk> Im literally asking for your OPINIONS
20:35 < _Auron|G1> yeah some adventure/platformer games are better on console
20:35 < asmand> fps on PC, fighting games on console
20:35 <@Andy_J> krisk: my OPINION is to have a gaming computer *and* an xbox.
20:36 <@Andy_J> because some games are better on both
20:36 <+krisk> your opinion on which of the two would be BETTRAR
20:36 < _Auron|G1> I'd like a 360 eventually
20:36 < _Auron|G1> I want to play lost odyssesy
20:36 <@Andy_J> they're both the same.
20:36 <@Andy_J> it depends on
20:36 <@Andy_J> THE
20:36 <@Andy_J> SPECIFIC
20:36 <@Andy_J> GAME
20:36 <@Andy_J> IN 
20:36 < _Auron|G1> odyssey*
20:36 <@Andy_J> QUESTION
20:36 <+krisk> but youre going to play many games
20:36 < _Auron|G1> some games are only on 360
20:36 < Randomist> *RAAAAAAGE.*
20:36 <@Andy_J> krisk: yes, many games.
20:36 <@Andy_J> some are only pc
20:36 < asmand> problem with pc is that you'll have to update quite often to be able to play the newest games
20:36 <@Andy_J> some are only xbox
20:36 < asmand> omho
20:36 < asmand> imho
20:36 < BrandonW> JoeYoung, you will be contributing to one of the greatest 68k discoveries to date.
20:36 < Merthsoft> everybody relax
20:36 <@Andy_J> some are both but work better on one or the other
20:37 <@Andy_J> Just get both ffs.
20:37 <+krisk> i understand what factors will go into your decision between the two cases
20:37 < _Auron|G1> yeah like gta4 runs like ass on pc
20:37 < bsparks> Hey, HAI GUIEZ! I HEARD YOU LIEK MUDKIPZ 
20:37 <+krisk> I am asking for what your decision would be
20:37 < Randomist> Kind of redundant, though.
20:37 < _Auron|G1> ASS
20:37 <+krisk> when given the choice
20:37 <+JoeYoung> could you tell me what the numbers mean on the client?
20:37 <@Andy_J> krisk: ... and I'm telling you.
20:37 < Randomist> krisk:  I would go for the PC.
20:37 <+krisk> both is not an option
20:37 <@Andy_J> well you already have a PC right
20:37 <+krisk> it was not part of the question thus it is not an answer
20:37 <@Andy_J> so get an xbox
20:37 <@Andy_J> idiot.
20:37 < Randomist> You can do more on the PC.  :P
20:37 < i_c-Y> krisk: would you either get a condom or a knife?
20:37 < i_c-Y> actually nevermind thats a bad choice for you
20:38 <+JoeYoung> Work Done, Average Work done, etc
20:38 < _Auron|G1> lol
20:38 < i_c-Y> cause youd never use the former.
20:38 <+krisk> your opinion is not going to decide for me what to get
20:38 <+krisk> jesus fuck
20:38 < i_c-Y> never get a chance to anyway.
20:38 <+krisk> i just want to know what you guys think of the idea of having 2 pcs for lan gaming instead of a console on my room
20:38 <+krisk> god damn
20:38 < i_c-Y> would you rather get a plane or a truck?
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20:38 <@Andy_J> I think it's stupid.
20:38 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI89] by efneTI81, efneTI85, efneTI86
20:38 <+krisk> plane duh
20:38 < Randomist> i_c-Y:  Hmm...
20:38 <@Andy_J> why do you need two computers
20:38 <@Andy_J> specifically for gmaing
20:38 <+krisk> i will have two computers because i will
20:38 <+krisk> not specifically for gaming
20:38 < i_c-Y> krisk: now what if i told you you just needed to commute 5 miles?
20:38 < i_c-Y> THEN WHO THE FUCK WOULD GET THE PLANE?
20:38 <+krisk> HELICOPTER THEN
20:39 < i_c-Y> not a choice.
20:39 < _Auron|G1> CEKFTR3ERFGT3ERF
20:39 <+krisk> ON MY ROOF
20:39 < _Auron|G1> no place to land
20:39 <+krisk> a helicopter is a plane with movign iwngs
20:39 < _Auron|G1> your roof isn't flat
20:39 < i_c-Y> ...
20:39 <+krisk> yes it is
20:39 <@Andy_J> ok
20:39 < _Auron|G1> let's assume it isn't
20:39 <+krisk> on the field near my house then
20:39 < i_c-Y> helicopters dont have wings.
20:39 -!- mode/#tcpa [+mi-v krisk] by Andy_J
20:39 <@Andy_J> christ.
20:39 <@Andy_J> can we cool it?
20:40 -!- mode/#tcpa [-mi+v krisk] by Andy_J
20:40 < _Auron|G1> ice cube style
20:40 <+krisk> .. rotary wing aircraft...
20:40 < bsparks> ('>)< FISH
20:40 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v i_c-Y] by efneTI86
20:40 <+i_c-Y> they have rotors.
20:40 < Randomist> Andy_J over here censoring people.
20:40 < _Auron|G1> that's an ugly fish
20:40 -!- mode/#tcpa [+b *!*@216.117.120.220] by Andy_J
20:40 -!- Randomist was kicked from #tcpa by Andy_J [Censor this.]
20:40 < _Auron|G1> um
20:40 < _Auron|G1> that was excessive
20:40 <+krisk> ok plane is short for airplane which is always fixed wing my bad
20:40 <+JoeYoung> helicopters are magic
20:40 <@Andy_J> He's had it coming all day.
20:41 <+krisk> then still plane because trucks are silly and ill wlak 5 miles if i have to
20:41 < _Auron|G1> walking?
20:41 < _Auron|G1> that'd take too long, your schedule doesn't fit
20:41 <@Andy_J> say it's 5 miles on a bridge that doesn't allow pedestrian traffice
20:41 < _Auron|G1> *assumption*
20:41 <+krisk> well ok theen ill use the bus
20:41 <@Andy_J> and it's 20 miles avoiding the bridge
20:41 < _Auron|G1> there is no bus system
20:41 <+krisk> the question was which I'd rather get, a plane or a truck
20:41 <@Andy_J> No bus because this is america.
20:41 <+krisk> not which I'd rather use
20:41 < _Auron|G1> haha
20:41 < _Auron|G1> what andy said
20:42 <+krisk> I already havea bike, I can use that and get the plane
20:42 <+krisk> sell the plane
20:42 <+krisk> or fly it
20:42 <+JoeYoung> wut
20:42 < BrandonW> JoeYoung, I've barely looked at the client myself, so I couldn't say.
20:42 <+JoeYoung> this is a stupid conversation
20:42 <@Andy_J> quite.
20:42 <+JoeYoung> kk
20:43 < _Auron|G1> I agree
20:43 <+krisk> so I have one guy saying its a stupid idea
20:43 <+krisk> any others?
20:43 <@chronomex> yes. i usually read scrollback but I can't stand this
20:44 <+i_c-Y> everyone but you has reached the same conclusion
20:44 <+JoeYoung> One question. Why does TI care about this whole key business? Assuming they get their way, what good does it do them? Does this save them any money, or is it a different reason?
20:44 <@Andy_J> they're assholes
20:44 <+krisk> omg how much can be said about these keys
20:45 <@chronomex> BrandonW: the text message was intended as a "thanks a bunch but now it's 6am and I'm still up :("
20:45 <+JoeYoung> that's it?
20:45 < _Auron|G1> giant stick up ass
20:45 <@Andy_J> the only legitimate thing they can be worried about is wholesale converting TI-73s into TI-83+s with calc-to-calc OS transfers
20:45 < _Auron|G1> that's all
20:45 < BrandonW> We can make minor OS changes and pass them off as our own.
20:45 < BrandonW> Eliminate Push-to-Test, for example.
20:45 <+krisk> maybe if they let people do what they want they'll get less opporunities to hunt down real problems
20:45 < BrandonW> Spreading it in a way that no one can track.
20:46 < BrandonW> Because the version number will be the same.
20:46 < BrandonW> And appears as genuine as the real thing.
20:46 <+krisk> ie if they let every hack their stuff then that will be used agaisnt them by someone with a real lawyer n stuff
20:46 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW: that I do understand, but it still doesn't seem like a total big deal.
20:47 < BrandonW> It's a huge deal.
20:47 <+krisk> and they risk losing a real case because they werent protective enough
20:47 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v bsparks] by efneTI81
20:47 < BrandonW> Someone can call tech support and say "why doesn't Push-to-Test work, your calculators suck"
20:47 <+bsparks> HUZZAH!
20:47 < BrandonW> And blame them.
20:47 < BrandonW> Even though we did it.
20:47 <+bsparks> god DAMN that took far too long >_>
20:47 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW: money-wise?
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20:47 <+krisk> hoezah
20:48 <+JoeYoung> :/
20:48 <+i_c-Y> has anyone even used pushtotest ever?
20:48 -!- j-b-r [~j-b-r@ip98-169-89-44.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.13/2009073022]]
20:48 < TheStorm> i_c-Y, teachers use it
20:48 <+JoeYoung> xchat hasn't been working properly for a while
20:48 <+JoeYoung> :/
20:48 <+bsparks> been working fine for me for yeeears
20:48 <+JoeYoung> TheStorm: TI likes to think that teachers actually use it
20:48 <+JoeYoung> :P
20:48 < _Auron|G1> what is pushtotest?
20:49 < TheStorm> JoeYoung, I know some that do so :P
20:49 <+JoeYoung> it's a lockdown mode
20:49 <+JoeYoung> :P
20:49 <+JoeYoung> so.....
20:50 <+JoeYoung> bsparks: I think it's acting up because of BOINC
20:50 <+bsparks> idk which takes longer, installing iPhone OS 3.0, or installing OS X 10.5 <_<
20:50  * sir_lewk 's got a pizza in the oven
20:50 <+JoeYoung> it doesn't seem to refresh properly
20:50 < sir_lewk> literally :)
20:50 <+bsparks> JoeYoung, wtf is BOINC?
20:50 < sir_lewk> I will eat it and it will be delicious
20:50 <+krisk> how can i keep a HDD from powering down while the PC is running?
20:50 < sir_lewk> bsparks: http://boinc.unsads.com/rsals/
20:50 <@Andy_J> krisk: tell windows to not do so?
20:50 < BrandonW> The point is, we can cause them huge headaches with tech support and teachers and educators bitching and complaining.
20:50 < BrandonW> That's money wasted having to deal with those calls.
20:50 < sir_lewk> it's the distributed computing thing that's being used to crack the TI OS signing keys
20:51 < BrandonW> We are seriously screwing them up.
20:51 <@Andy_J> Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing
20:51 < incubus> BrandonW, that DMCA email you got was lame
20:51 <+JoeYoung> bsparks: some wierd program that is apparently changing the world
20:51 <+bsparks> Andy_J, ah, thanks :)
20:51 < incubus> Ya wtf is wrong with BOINC right now anyways?
20:51 < sir_lewk> I dunno about that.  how many people in the world actually have the intellectual ability to make use of these keys?
20:51 < BrandonW> And when one of us (*cough*) comes up with TI-OS Lite full of patches to remove shit like Push-to-Test, they are REALLY going to be hurting.
20:51 <+krisk> Andy_J: how?
20:52 < BrandonW> sir_lewk, it doesn't matter, there could be only 4 people that have a clue how to use it and everyone is still impacted.
20:52 <+JoeYoung> BOINC also like to heat up my computer to 72C and turn off.
20:52 < BrandonW> All we have to do is sign an OS and make it available for download.
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20:52 < sir_lewk> true
20:52 <+bsparks> I unfortunately don't have the spare processor cycles for BOINC it seems
20:52 <@Andy_J> wouldn't be surprised if the people running the key cracking project didn't make a ppc os x client anyway
20:53 <+bsparks> true
20:53 < incubus> JoeYoung, lower the CPU %?
20:53 < BrandonW> Just trust me on this, folks, it's a very big deal. You'er going to start seeing programs and OSes being released that you never thought were possible before.
20:53 <+krisk> Andy_J: how would I tell windows not to power down my drive while the PC is running?
20:53 < BrandonW> This will change the community.
20:53 <@Andy_J> krisk: rtfm
20:53 <+i_c-Y> yeah, i mean who woulda thunk that people still used macs?
20:53 < sir_lewk> I hope it does :)
20:53 <+krisk> where is the manual?
20:53 <@Andy_J> start->help
20:53 <+krisk> says the help and assistance service is down or something
20:53 < incubus> lol
20:54 <+i_c-Y> take your hard drive out of  your computer
20:54 <+i_c-Y> unscrew the cover
20:54 <+i_c-Y> and start licking the platters
20:54 <+i_c-Y> then close the cover
20:54 <+i_c-Y> stick it back in your computer
20:54 <@Andy_J> While it's on.
20:54 <+i_c-Y> and turn it on.
20:54 <+i_c-Y> oh oops, Andy_J is right.
20:54 <+bsparks> I used to have 1mb platters on my wall for mirrors, motors attached >_>
20:54 <+krisk> ah while its on is the faster way right?
20:54 <+i_c-Y> yes.
20:54 <+bsparks> krisk, on and accessing data would be best
20:54 <+krisk> ok cool
20:55 <+krisk> how much should i lick them?
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20:55 <+i_c-Y> 12.75 minutes / side
20:56 <+krisk> hmm cool i could put a blueray drive in the DC box
20:56 <+krisk> and all the storage drives
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20:56 <+i_c-Y> its Blu-ray not blueray
20:56 <+krisk> oh yeah
20:57 <+bsparks> blueberay
20:57 <+i_c-Y> every day i start to think that requiring licenses to use computers are going to become a necessary evil.
20:58 < Nikky> !k i_c-Y 
20:58 <+i_c-Y> :(
20:58 <+krisk> =(
20:58 <+i_c-Y> !k Nikky 
20:58 < Nikky> !k i_c-Y 
20:58 <+i_c-Y> !k Nikky 
20:58 < Merthsoft> l
20:58 < sir_lewk> you know who else requires licenses to use computers?
20:58 < sir_lewk> Hitler.
20:59 <+i_c-Y> no, because Hitler is dead.
20:59 < Nikky> fool
20:59 <+i_c-Y> Hitler wasn't all bad anyway.
20:59 < sir_lewk> yeah, because computer people got mad at him
20:59 <+krisk> he kinda was
20:59 <+JoeYoung> licenses are an unnecessary evil
21:00 < BrandonW> Anyone see Inglorious Basterds?
21:00 <+JoeYoung> I can't wait for i_c-Y to successfully rationalize the Holocaust.
21:00 <+JoeYoung> Go for it, man.
21:00 <+krisk> BrandonW:I  saw it yesterday
21:01 < BrandonW> I loved it.
21:01 <+krisk> I liked the build up
21:01 <+krisk> the ending was uncreative
21:01 < sir_lewk> BrandonW: yes, it was awesome
21:01 <+krisk> but it fit i guess
21:01 <+i_c-Y> JoeYoung: i did do that in middle school - it got me a weeks worth of in school suspension.
21:01 <+krisk> i hated the audience
21:01 < sir_lewk> meh, the ending was perfect, if a little shallow
21:01 <+krisk> laughing at stupid references that didnt matter
21:01 <+krisk> seriously some peopel started clapping when the credits rolled
21:02 < sir_lewk> people started cheering when they carved the SS dudes head up
21:02 <+JoeYoung> i_c-Y, really.
21:03 <+krisk> people are dumb
21:03 <+i_c-Y> yeah. it even involved a poem and stuff.
21:03 <+krisk> im pretty sure most of the audience didnt get it anyway
21:03 <+i_c-Y> i mean im not like pro kill the jews and stuff, but some of his policies were good.
21:04 <+krisk> he was good for the economy there
21:04 <+krisk> untill he lost the war anyways
21:05 <+JoeYoung> krisk: killing off the excess population tends to do both those things.
21:05 <+krisk> erm he upped the economy pretty good before teh war started
21:05 < sir_lewk> many of his policies that were "good for the economy" were horrific violations of basic human rights
21:05 <+JoeYoung> TRUTH
21:05 < sir_lewk> kill jews, steal their gold, profit
21:06 < sir_lewk> wow, so good
21:06 <+krisk> he build up the countries infrastructure first silly man
21:06 <+JoeYoung> no "???" step either
21:06 <+krisk> all that evil stuff started later
21:06 <+krisk> 1) build up country yay economy
21:06 < sir_lewk> build tanks, start war, profit
21:06 <+krisk> 2) evil!
21:06 <+krisk> 3) invade poland
21:06 <+krisk> 4) ??
21:06 <+krisk> 5) fail
21:06 <+JoeYoung> by segregation and apartheid against Jews.
21:07 <@Andy_J> don't forget poland
21:07 <+krisk> when were the first camps?
21:07 <+JoeYoung> dunno why Jew hate still exists.
21:07 <+i_c-Y> yo, poland is our ALLY, remember GWB
21:07 <+JoeYoung> ya
21:08 <+krisk> lets hate everybody equally
21:08 < chronomex> I'm going to work on 89Ti USB today :)
21:08 < chronomex> maybe I'll get somewhere ... :P
21:09 <+i_c-Y> a cold dark place...
21:09 <+JoeYoung> lets not
21:09 <+i_c-Y> with a DMCA notice on your face...
21:09 <+i_c-Y> :-|
21:09 < BrandonW> Good luck, chronomex.
21:09  * sir_lewk retrieves his pizza
21:09 < chronomex> eh, smeg off
21:09 <+JoeYoung> stapled to your forehead
21:09 < BrandonW> :(
21:09 <+JoeYoung> in a cold dark dungeon
21:09 <+JoeYoung> with rats
21:09 <+krisk> haha staple a swastika on your forehead
21:09 < chronomex> thanks BrandonW, i was talking to i_c-Y 
21:10 <+krisk> then rationalize the holocaust
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21:10 <+i_c-Y> hi glk 
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21:10 <+i_c-Y> chronomex: :(
21:11 < BrandonW> This of course would have to be distributed very hush-hush, but how do you feel about "TI-OS Lite"?
21:11 <+JoeYoung> i_c-Y has proven he could rhyme, at least. now let's see some Nazi reason.
21:11 < BrandonW> Stripping out all the junk.
21:11 < DrDnar> Like what?
21:11 < BrandonW> Push-to-Test.
21:11 < BrandonW> Testguard2.
21:12 <+JoeYoung> WE NEED A SECRET FORUM OF TI SECRETNESS
21:12 < DrDnar> The finance "app"
21:12 < DrDnar> ?
21:12 <+i_c-Y> so its like kazaa lite to kazaa
21:12 < BrandonW> Yeah, I guess...I can't understand the hatred toward that.
21:12 < DrDnar> Oh yeah? Well I can delete the finance app!
21:12 < leofox_> you can make a hook that removes it :P
21:12 <+JoeYoung> WHERE NOTHING IS CENSORED OBVIOUSLY, AND TI DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT
21:12 < DrDnar> People think it takes a whole 16K of their precious archive.
21:12 <+krisk> hi leofox_
21:13 < leofox_> hey kirsk
21:13 < leofox_> how are you todaaaay
21:13 <+krisk> im ok
21:13 <+krisk> got some cool ideas i hope i can bring to fruition
21:13 <+krisk> how be you?
21:13 <+krisk> got your bong yet?
21:13 < leofox_> eating noodles being tired
21:13 <+JoeYoung> Hi leofox
21:13 < leofox_> no
21:14 < leofox_> gotta order it today
21:14 < leofox_> i'm going to forget it too
21:14 < leofox_> also
21:14 <+JoeYoung> I'm drawing a Poliwag :P
21:14 < leofox_> school starts tomorrow at 8:30 :(
21:14 < leofox_> JoeYoung tof man
21:14 <+krisk> school :(
21:14 < leofox_> show me
21:14 <+JoeYoung> tof?
21:14 <+JoeYoung> wut?
21:14 < leofox_> cool
21:14 <+krisk> keigaaf
21:14 <+JoeYoung> show you what? o_O
21:15 < leofox_> the poliwag
21:15 <+JoeYoung> :/
21:15 < BrandonW> DrDnar, you can't fix stupid. I'm inclined to leave it.
21:15 < sir_lewk> BrandonW: a TI-OS Lite sounds interesting
21:15 <+JoeYoung> it's not done yet, and it's on another comp >_>
21:15 <+JoeYoung> leofox, how about bulbasaur to parasect?
21:16 < DrDnar> Why would Zoom Math create a program named DELETEME? Does he know about temporary variables?
21:16 < sir_lewk> just don't put yourself in a position that you could get sued in
21:16 < BrandonW> I would probably just have a torrent of it or something.
21:16 <+JoeYoung> :/
21:16 < leofox_> JoeYoung oh yeah sure
21:16 < BrandonW> I most certainly would be taken out back and shot if it was discovered that I wrote it and that I was distributing it.
21:16 < BrandonW> DrDnar, probably not.
21:16 < BrandonW> Like I said, his ignorance of calc-specific details is his weakness.
21:16 < sir_lewk> yeah
21:17 <+krisk> cant you just put it on digg or /. something
21:17 < BrandonW> What, TI-OS Lite?
21:17 < BrandonW> I can't see how they would possibly be okay with that.
21:17 < leofox_> BrandonW I dont think TI cares enough about their OS anymore
21:17 < BrandonW> As far as the key news, it's already been there.
21:17 < sir_lewk> I would give ti a bit of time to forget about the cracked keys and stuff first at least
21:17 <+krisk> why would they have to be ok with it?
21:17 <+JoeYoung> leofox_, http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs46/f/2009/219/2/4/Current_Sprite_Progress_by_metagross111.png
21:17 < BrandonW> leofox_, tell that to my DMCA notice from them.
21:17 < leofox_> BrandonW thats just protocol
21:17 < leofox_> they're pretty much forced to do that
21:18 < BrandonW> And they'e "forced" to go to Benjamin Moody's door and threaten him?
21:18 < leofox_> when did they do that
21:18 <+krisk> aaaaages ago
21:18 < BrandonW> Several days ago.
21:18 < leofox_> what does benjamin moody have to do with this
21:18 < sir_lewk> wait, threaten him legally right?
21:18 < BrandonW> He factored the first key.........
21:18 < sir_lewk> dude, go read unitedti
21:18 < BrandonW> Do you know anything at all about this or are you just spouting off stuff about what you think you know?
21:18 <+JoeYoung> and started all this craziness
21:19 < leofox_> BrandonW relax man
21:19 < leofox_> I've read the thread on UTI
21:19 <+JoeYoung> I'm a retard but even I read up on all this :O
21:19 < BrandonW> Yes, threatened him legally.
21:19 < leofox_> I just dont remember everyones names
21:19 <+krisk> leofox_ your dedication to key awareness is insufficient >:C
21:19 <+krisk> angry face!
21:19 < leofox_> OH SHIT
21:19 <+JoeYoung> :/
21:19 < leofox_> anyway
21:20 <+i_c-Y> sir_lewk: its legal to take the baseball bat there so long as you don't leave any visible bruises
21:20 <+JoeYoung> angry faic
21:20 < leofox_> people would probably get angry with you if you make your OS download apps that cost money or something
21:20 <+JoeYoung> just leave invisible bruises
21:20 < leofox_> but thats probably cracked ages ago
21:20 < BrandonW> I meant earlier that Digg, Slashdot, etc. wouldn't care about "TI-OS Lite".
21:20 < BrandonW> They don't even care about hooking up flash drives to it.
21:21 < BrandonW> Or cracking the keys.
21:21 <+krisk> (normal people dont care at all)
21:21 < leofox_> slashdot only cares about showing people how evil microsoft is
21:21 <+krisk> (normal people barely care enough to know how to solve equations in highschool math class)
21:21 < leofox_> you;d think people would know by now
21:21 < sir_lewk> I thought slashdot did have an article about the flashdrives
21:21 < BrandonW> Exactly.
21:21 < BrandonW> They did, but it was heavily bashed.
21:22 < sir_lewk> idiots
21:22 <+krisk> /. sucks
21:22 <+krisk> digg sucks
21:22 <+i_c-Y> krisk sucks
21:22 <+krisk> lets move on
21:22 < leofox_> i_c-Y your mother sucks
21:22 < DrDnar> Least she does a good job.
21:23 < leofox_> she does :D
21:23 < BrandonW> OOH BURN
21:23 <+i_c-Y> har har. i could say the same of yours.
21:23 <+i_c-Y> i wonder how much disk rebuffers are...
21:24 < sir_lewk> what slashdot *might* care about is people getting slammed by DMCA notices for cracking signing keys
21:25 < sir_lewk> but yeah, seeing as this is TI instead of microsoft, the chances are slim
21:25 <+krisk> 4chan might get a kick out of it if you present it well enough
21:25 <+krisk> give them some lulz to have with TI
21:26 < DrDnar> You'll need cats. And Rick Astley.
21:26 < sir_lewk> that's exactly the sort of press you don't want I'd say
21:26 <+krisk> why not
21:26 < sir_lewk> being associated with 4chan certainly will not help alleviate TI's concerns
21:27 <+krisk> yeah cause theres any hope of that ever happening right
21:27 <+JoeYoung> WTF
21:27 <+JoeYoung> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reports_of_organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_in_China
21:27 <+JoeYoung> the government sanctions this?
21:27 < sir_lewk> if we act like responsible nerds who just like calculators then they might just decided to more or less ignore it in the future
21:27 <+krisk> yeah thats worked fine the past 10 years too
21:27 < sir_lewk> if we act like "ZOMG HAXX0RZ" or something, I think they'll be more vigilant
21:28 < leofox_> JoeYoung lol falun gong
21:28 <+krisk> then talk it over with 420 chan
21:28 < leofox_> isnt that the Chinese scientology
21:28 < sir_lewk> JoeYoung: dude, it's china
21:28 <+krisk> 420chan is up for serious projects rather than just lulz
21:28 <+krisk> ie project chanology for example
21:29 < sir_lewk> I thought 420chan was for potheads
21:29 <+krisk> of course
21:29 < leofox_> how far is the whole factoring project going now
21:29 <+krisk> geek potheads
21:29 < chronomex> potheads are srs bzns
21:29 < leofox_> krisk gotta order my sexy bamboo bong, thx for reminding me
21:29 <+krisk> yw :)
21:29 <+JoeYoung> <DrDnar> You'll need cats. And Rick Astley. <--- careful, we might not want to get kevin involved
21:29 < sir_lewk> well regardless, I don't think we need the help of any *chan.  we're doing pretty good ourselfs at this point
21:30 <+bsparks> JoeYoung, HAH
21:30 <+bsparks> that psycho?
21:30 < leofox_> shit, I need something else to get free shipping
21:30 <+krisk> what does kevin have to do with cats and rick astley
21:30 < leofox_> the bong is only 13,50
21:30 < leofox_> I need 15 eu for free shipping
21:30 < leofox_> krisk quick think of something cool potheady to buy
21:30 <+krisk> link the site
21:30 <+krisk> maybe you can order something for me :P
21:31 < leofox_> azarius.net
21:31 < leofox_> krisk and give it to you when...?
21:31 <+krisk> i guess
21:31 <+krisk> come to shut up and dance :o
21:31 <+krisk> or 8th trip to goa @ zaandam
21:31 < leofox_> like my friends would come with me to a goa party in zaandam
21:31 <+krisk> :(
21:31 <+krisk> denhaag beach?
21:32 <+krisk> I wanted to get that one if i have a vap http://azarius.net/headshop/grinders/wooden_grinders/grinder_wooden_sunstone/
21:32 < chronomex> is there a simple way to flash a ti-89 over USB on linux, or do I have to install TiLP?
21:33 < leofox_> krisk i have a similar one
21:33 < leofox_> but without the sun
21:33 < BrandonW> I can't imagine any other way of doing it besides TiLP.
21:33 < leofox_> I dont like the 'standard' potheady accesoires
21:33 <+krisk> yeah ok
21:34 <+krisk> theres a stand at waterlooplein in amsterdam that has most all of them except the sun one i wanted :/
21:34 < leofox_> :S
21:34  * sir_lewk thinks once again how it'd be great to have a CLI linking client for calculators on linux
21:34 < chronomex> okay
21:34 < chronomex> maybe I'll put that on my list-of-things-to-make
21:35 <+krisk> get a 2 euro ligter
21:35 < sir_lewk> I've been wanting to look into it myself but haven't had the time recently
21:35 <+krisk> with the nice leaf deco on it
21:35 <+krisk> it cliche
21:35 <+krisk> but they look pretty good compared to any other cliche lighters ive seen
21:36 <+krisk> or this http://azarius.net/headshop/smoking_accessories/accessoires_bongs_pipes/bottle_hose_1/
21:36 < leofox_> I was looking at that one
21:37 <+krisk> keychain stashbox?
21:37 < leofox_> it looks pretty useless
21:37 <+krisk> hehe yeah
21:38 < leofox_> I have a pink diddle aluminium stashbox
21:38 <+krisk> ah ok you already have one
21:38 <+krisk> cool
21:40 < leofox_> i could also get some salvia :P
21:40 <+krisk> http://azarius.net/headshop/pipes/chillums/chillum_glass_colorchanging/
21:40 <+krisk> huh colour changing?
21:40 < leofox_> how does that even work
21:40 <+krisk> yeah wat
21:41 < sir_lewk> is it like hypercolor or something?
21:42 <+krisk> leofox get an incense holder
21:42 <+krisk> glowsticks are also 2 euro
21:43 <+krisk> or http://azarius.net/smartshop/aphrodisiacs/
21:43 <+krisk> ^_^
21:43 < leofox_> they have glowsticks?
21:43 < leofox_> where
21:44 <+krisk> smartshop
21:44 <+krisk> gadgets
21:44 <+krisk> http://azarius.net/smartshop/fun_stuff/gadgets/light_stick/
21:44 < leofox_> I love these things :D
21:44 <+krisk> yeah :)
21:44 <+krisk> theres a website with shittons of them of all kinds
21:45 < leofox_> these are pretty big
21:46 < sir_lewk> glowsticks are aphrodisi... no nevermind.  I don't want to know
21:46 < sir_lewk> ;P
21:47 < leofox_> I love lights when i'm tripping
21:47 <+krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM38839YH6w&feature=related
21:47 <+krisk> huh am i blind? i dont see it change colours
21:47 < leofox_> it changes colour when you look at it from a different light
21:47 < leofox_> pretty lame
21:47 <+krisk> myeah
21:49 <+krisk> hej leofox if you know anyone who wants to buy a bass guitar.. http://link.marktplaats.nl/275391867
21:51 < BrandonW> I'm thinking of writing a step-by-step "unbrick your calculator" thingy.
21:51 < BrandonW> So anyone can unbrick even the most badly damaged calculator.
21:51 < BrandonW> Assuming nothing is physically wrong with it.
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21:52 <+i_c-Y> do it
21:53 <+krisk> leofox_ highlight with _ because without may not have worked blub hi
21:53 < sir_lewk> that'd be a good thing to make I think
21:53 -!- leofox_ is now known as leofox
21:53 <+krisk> :)
21:53 < leofox> krisk yeah i dont know anyone who needs a bass
21:53 <+krisk> ok, was worth a try
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21:54 < BrandonW> I'd be more motivated if I'd heard that someone other than me actually did brick a calculator even close to that badly.
21:54 < chronomex> well
21:54 < chronomex> you released your bricking utility
21:55 < sir_lewk> I'd do it just as a "good faith" thing or whatever, since there is bricking code out there publically
21:55 <+krisk> how big would such a step-by-step guide be?
21:55 < sir_lewk> 1) email BrandonW begging for help
21:55 < sir_lewk> 2) profit!!!
21:56 < chronomex> lol
21:56 < BrandonW> Not big, more of a choose-your-own-adventure kidn of thing trying to troubleshoot how screwed you actually are.
21:56 < sir_lewk> ah
21:56 < chronomex> gah, tilp, why must you suck so hard
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21:56 <+krisk> hmm where might i find a 50mm round pole
21:56 <+krisk> 50mm diameter
21:56 <+i_c-Y> your home depot equivalent?
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21:56 <+krisk> yeah maybe
21:57 < BrandonW> To be used more in the situation of "I just got this calculator from some guy and he says it's screwed up, I want to see if there's any way at all to fix it in software"
21:57 < sir_lewk> that could be useful
21:57 < sir_lewk> I actually have an 83+ around somewhere that's like that
21:58 < sir_lewk> of course, it was reportedly "bent around someone's knee" so I suspect physical damage...
21:58 < leofox> kids dont mess their calcs up with somewhere
21:58 < chronomex> impressive
21:58 < leofox> they throw them at people, hit people with them, spill cola on them etc
21:59 <+krisk> with somewhere?
21:59 < sir_lewk> I dunno, I've seen calcs that needed to be reflashed and crap
22:00 <+i_c-Y> someone should take a shotgun to a ti83+
22:00 <+i_c-Y> and put it up on youtube
22:01 < chronomex> fuck, I need KDE?
22:01 <+i_c-Y> or microwave a ti83+ or put thermite on it.
22:01 < chronomex> thermite's been done
22:02 < sir_lewk> that thermite video on ticalc years ago was my first introduction to thermite.  good times :)
22:02 < BrandonW> That was an 82, wasn't it?
22:02 < chronomex> mine too
22:02 < chronomex> I thought it was an 81
22:02 < chronomex> it was the one that doesn't have a z80 in it
22:02 < BrandonW> STOP WITH THAT MADNESS
22:03 < chronomex> whichever that is
22:03 < BrandonW> They all have z80s.
22:03 < chronomex> <-- not up enough on z80 fun
22:03 < chronomex> aww
22:03 < chronomex> really?
22:03 < BrandonW> Yes, despite what you may have heard.
22:03 < chronomex> okay
22:03 < chronomex> I trust you BrandonW
22:03 < BrandonW> Including the TI-80, which is the one with that rumor.
22:03 < chronomex> aha
22:03 < sir_lewk> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/10/102/102245.html :)
22:03 < sir_lewk> aaw, the page is down now
22:04 < BrandonW> NNNNOOOOOOOooooooooooo...
22:04 < chronomex> yeah, has been for a while
22:04 < chronomex> :(
22:04 < sir_lewk> save me wayback machine!
22:04 < chronomex> we're going to have to get Joey to give us the video
22:04 < chronomex> wayback doesn't have the video :\
22:04 < BrandonW> http://web.archive.org/web/20040216094219/http://pubweb.northwestern.edu/~njd341/ticalc/
22:04 < sir_lewk> it was an 81 apparently
22:05 < sir_lewk> poor 81.  misunderstood and underappreciated until only recently :(
22:05 < chronomex> heh
22:09 < chronomex> anyone have a copy of 89Ti OS 3.01?  Mine's gone embarrassingly missing
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22:10 < chronomex> I've got a ROM dump but no 89u
22:10 < BrandonW> What's the differenec?
22:10 < BrandonW> difference*
22:11 < chronomex> actually
22:11 < chronomex> no
22:11 < BrandonW> On the z80 series, a ROM dump is nearly identical to an 8XU except the 8XU doesn't contain the boot code page(s).
22:11 < chronomex> I'll just dump 3.10 and work on it
22:11 < Nikky> Che cazzo fai?
22:11 < chronomex> I don't know the differences exactly
22:11 < sir_lewk> I've got a ROM dump of OS version 3.00
22:11 < chronomex> shit, usb is FAST
22:11 < chronomex> sir_lewk: :O I didn't know they released that
22:11 < chronomex> I'd love to have a copy
22:11 < sir_lewk> nor did I :O
22:11 < Nikky> sir_lewk: Non capisci un cazzo
22:12 < sir_lewk> that's what TI-emu says it is though
22:12 < chronomex> please do share
22:12 < Nikky> pirate
22:12 < sir_lewk> I actually already have it uploaded, lemme find the link...
22:13 < chronomex> excellent
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22:13 < sir_lewk> http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95/stuff/ti89ti.rom that should be it I believe
22:13 < ports> BrandonW, that sucks you got busted by TI.
22:13 < BrandonW> I'm hardly busted.
22:13 < incubus> and the video doesn't work
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22:14 < incubus> Wtf is wrong with boinc
22:14 < ports> I see.
22:14 < ports> Maybe I complained to the wrong person at TI then.
22:14 < BrandonW> What do you mean, incubus?
22:14 < sir_lewk> http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95/stuff/89-3.0.png
22:14 < ports> incubus, bionicle ?
22:14 < sir_lewk> ports: bastard
22:14 < ports> sir_lewk, ?
22:15 < chronomex> BrandonW: 
22:15 < chronomex> -rw-r--r-- 1 duncan duncan 1.4M 2008-12-12 12:55 base_310.89u
22:15 < chronomex> -rw-r--r-- 1 duncan duncan 4.0M 2009-08-30 15:12 base_310.rom
22:15 < chronomex> it's not a straight dump but I'm not familiar with how to transform it
22:15 < chronomex> I'm sure kofler knows
22:15 < BrandonW> Transform what to what?
22:15 < chronomex> and all those emulator writer
22:15 < chronomex> s
22:15 < chronomex> 89u -> rom
22:15 < BrandonW> I'm not sure you can do that.
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22:15 < BrandonW> You can't on the z80 series.
22:15 < chronomex> no?
22:16 < BrandonW> Well you could, but you also need a boot code dump.
22:16 < chronomex> tiemu lets you load 89us directly as rom images
22:16 < chronomex> ah
22:16 < chronomex> see
22:16 < chronomex> PC starts at (rom_start + 2) in 89s
22:16 < sir_lewk> lulz, ignore the file text/passwords in that rom file >_>
22:16 < chronomex> sir_lewk: heh, okay
22:17 < BrandonW> I'm sure the 89 has some sort of boot code too, or else it couldn't receive OS updates.
22:17 < sir_lewk> wow, I totally forgot about all these old passwords xD
22:18 < chronomex> BrandonW: it does, but it always jumps into a certain spot in the FLAHS
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22:19 < BrandonW> So there is permanent write-locked memory somewhere in the 89 that contains code to receive OS updates?
22:19 < chronomex> yes
22:20 < chronomex> you can get to it by holding APPS when powering on
22:20 < chronomex> er, inserting battery
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22:20 < BrandonW> Is that code contained in the ROM file?
22:20 < chronomex> no, it isn't so far as I know
22:20 < chronomex> er
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22:20 < chronomex> I don't really know.
22:20  * Michael_V knows it's going to be a good day when he sees that line from BrandonW as the first thing upon joining
22:20 < BrandonW> chronomex here is attempting 89Ti USB.
22:20 < sir_lewk> it's been a good day around here alot recently :)
22:20 < BrandonW> usb9x, if you will.
22:21 < BrandonW> I demand it be called that.
22:21 <+Michael_V> ooh
22:21 < chronomex> yes.
22:21 < chronomex> I approve of this name.
22:21 <+Michael_V> but it really should be usb68k :P
22:21 < chronomex> man
22:21 < chronomex> they're both good
22:21 < chronomex> now I'm torn
22:21 < chronomex> I'll let you guys fight over it
22:21 < BrandonW> Confusion is good. usb9x.
22:22 <+Michael_V> I'm going to put the calculator keys up on michaelv.org
22:22 <+Michael_V> I realized how perfect it is
22:22 < chronomex> ?
22:22 <+Michael_V> I bet TI couldn't navigate my Windows 3.1 theme anyway
22:22 < chronomex> lol
22:22 <+Michael_V> for permanent storage without fear
22:22 < chronomex> can Google?
22:22 < sir_lewk> hahaha
22:22 <+Michael_V> no
22:22 < BrandonW> I intend to put the .key files in brandonw.net/calcstuff.
22:22 <+Michael_V> I'll put them in a text file...C:\CALCKEYS.TXT
22:22 < sir_lewk> that's awesome
22:22 < BrandonW> If they really looked at that directory, I would be dead by now.
22:22 <+Michael_V> if you open notepad click open, you'll see them
22:22 <+Michael_V> *notepad and
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22:24 <+Michael_V> I could even make it a hidden file if I wanted to (you'd have to type the name in the open dialog)
22:24  * Michael_V laughs
22:24 <+Michael_V> but I won't
22:25 < BrandonW> We can promote it if you want your very own DMCA notice.
22:25 <+Michael_V> not really
22:25 <+Michael_V> not yet anyway
22:25 <+Michael_V> actually
22:25 <+Michael_V> no don't promote it
22:25 <+Michael_V> this way it can stay up
22:25 < sir_lewk> you should all put terms of service on your websites that forbids anyone from ti from accessing it.  thatway if they try to do bogus DMCA stuff again, you can do bogus hacker "unauthorized access of computer systems" stuff back ;D
22:26 <+Michael_V> they are now up in c:\calckeys.txt
22:27 < BrandonW> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
22:28 < BrandonW> So did you see Ben's post, Michael?
22:28 <+i_c-Y> you dont have edit.com on michaelv.org
22:28 < BrandonW> About him getting a cease-and-desist order in person.
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22:29 < BrandonW> I got a couple of guys at work contributing to the project, they're doing better than I am. :(
22:31 <+Michael_V> BrandonW: No, I didn't
22:31 <+Michael_V> where is this?
22:32 < BrandonW> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=8939
22:33 < sir_lewk> I can't believe they actually had a guy drive out to his house.  that's insanity
22:34 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: it's called certified mail
22:34 <+Michael_V> "hand delivered" is not certified mail
22:34 <+Michael_V> they probably paid $50 for a process server or something
22:36 < chronomex> yeah, that sounds like a process server
22:36 < sir_lewk> ah
22:39 < BrandonW> I think we need to start working on the 73/83+ date stamp public key.
22:39 < BrandonW> And once all this is shut down, I'll probably attempt to factor my own calculator public key.
22:40 < BrandonW> So I can be the only one around with a truly legitimate certificate update.
22:41 < BrandonW> About screen text, 05 key, etc.
22:41 < chronomex> heh, awesome
22:42 < BrandonW> I wish I knew the significance of that key, or if there's one.
22:42 < BrandonW> I'm thinking of proposing we all start using the same public key.
22:42 < BrandonW> You know, that's actually a much safer way of installing Free83P.
22:43 < BrandonW> Simply run a program which modifies the calculator public key itself, and also distribute an 8XQ file.
22:43 < BrandonW> And the OS takes care of the rest.
22:43 < chronomex> nice
22:43 <+Michael_V> we've got to get more cores on the BOINC project
22:44 < BrandonW> I can put 3-4 more on there.
22:44 < BrandonW> (PCs)
22:45 <+Michael_V> well squalyl said that he will shut it down on the first complaint
22:45 < chronomex> I don't have anything suitable :(
22:45 <+Michael_V> nor do I so I have my mom's computer running it
22:46 <+Michael_V> at 50% CPU so it doesn't burn up
22:46 < BrandonW> I stressed the importance of it to the guys at work.
22:46 < BrandonW> Since he said that.
22:47 < BrandonW> I'm just hoping the final processing on the 73 app key is done by then.
22:47 < sir_lewk> has anyone gotten the BOINC thing to work in linux?
22:47 < sir_lewk> I tried setting it up but the GUI thing seemed broken and I didn't really know what I was doing
22:47 <+Michael_V> someone should make a BOINC auto-installing CD
22:47 <+Michael_V> then burn a bunch of copies
22:47 <+Michael_V> and stick them in every computer you can
22:47 < sir_lewk> hahaha
22:47 <+Michael_V> they'd install themselves and start running
22:48 <+Michael_V> meanwhile, I have received an e-mail invitation to the Intellectual Property Student Association's first meeting of the year
22:48 <+Michael_V> (coincidentally)
22:48 < sir_lewk> I have shell access to about 30 lab machines runing 32bit ubuntu
22:49 < sir_lewk> so if someone can help me figure it out, I can contribute a good bit :)
22:49 <+Michael_V> I haven't tried Linux
22:50 <+Michael_V> so it looks like the 89 key has cracked as well?
22:50 < BrandonW> One of them.
22:50 < BrandonW> I've seen no other discussion on it.
22:50 <+Michael_V> where is it?
22:50 < BrandonW> I'm assuming we're happy about this.
22:50 < chronomex> :O
22:50 < chronomex> ORLY
22:50 < BrandonW> On the Fun Number Theory Facts thread.
22:50 <+Michael_V> it's not in the form of the others?
22:50 < BrandonW> Yes, as in, someone posted the two numbers and that's it.
22:51 <+Michael_V> Can someone convert it into the nice format?
22:51 <+Michael_V> so for posterity it might be remembered which e= and such
22:51 < incubus> Tell me this is fake!!!! http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009/08/microsoft-poland-at-least-they-left.html
22:51 < BrandonW> We have another factors, these are for TI-89 (https://www.unsads.com/scm/svn/squalyl/boinc/rsals/key_ti89.job):
22:51 < BrandonW> prp76 factor: 2231124525637629443181963045297394875470510167130210300957267082210173784611
22:51 < BrandonW> prp79 factor: 3226885534240147415018248397410101286362761128614350056368675111071170873486957
22:51 < BrandonW> are factors of 71995834568684773636720438651160472297127884480206535156843307841378050889714332
22:51 < BrandonW> 73011970552138960583799368215373582308591928985045059261105298431035818727 
22:52 < chronomex> incubus: no, it's real
22:52 < BrandonW> I have no idea how the 68k keys are used.
22:52 < chronomex> look at the hands though
22:52 < BrandonW> That "nice format" is something I made up for the z80 keys.
22:52 <+JoeYoung> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=8942&hl=
22:52 <+Michael_V> USB stuff isn't fun to handle on our own
22:52 <+Michael_V> that's why I don't think TI realizes how limited this practically is
22:53 < BrandonW> OS2 has basic USB interrupt handling already.
22:53 < BrandonW> And full I/O silent linking support.
22:54 <+Michael_V> yes but will you be able to write the boring parts? :)
22:54 < BrandonW> I did it with periph8x, so surely.
22:54 < BrandonW> periph8x/UnivOS handles receiving an OS over direct USB, and writes it.
22:54 < BrandonW> In TI's link protocol.
22:55 < BrandonW> I have no concerns over any of this.
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22:55 < BrandonW> There's not a doubt in my mind we can do this.
22:55 <+Michael_V> somewhere in TI's headquarters, there are men in suits sweating furiously
22:56 < sir_lewk> "Connecting to einstein.aei.mpg.de|194.94.224.86|:80..." blah, I'm having issues even downloading the BOINC client right now :/
22:56 < chronomex> Michael_V: glorious image, isn't it?
22:56 < BrandonW> The client absolutely refused to download on one of my PCs, I had to get the installer on another and transfer it over the network. Very weird.
22:56 <+Michael_V> chronomex: indeed
22:57 < BrandonW> JoeYoung, I'm amazed someone actually asked that question.
22:59 < sir_lewk> is someone out of no-where actually writing their own OS?
22:59 < BrandonW> Looks that way.
22:59 < BrandonW> Until we find out who that is.
23:00 < incubus> BrandonW, those are for the 89?
23:00 < BrandonW> So I'm told, yes.
23:00 < incubus> w00t
23:01 < BrandonW> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?s=080fa670088eabd973960e721fc9eb73&showtopic=8905&pid=135330&st=0&#entry135330 He's posted before, it seems to be based on PongOS.
23:01 < chronomex> man
23:01 < chronomex> USB or 68k certificates
23:01 < chronomex> which is more important
23:01 < sir_lewk> interesting
23:01 < chronomex> opinions?
23:02 < sir_lewk> USB stuff has a seperate certificate?
23:02 < sir_lewk> I'm not sure I understand
23:02 < chronomex> I can do one of two things
23:02 < sir_lewk> oh
23:02 < chronomex> figure out certificates on 68k
23:02 < chronomex> figure out usb on 68k
23:02 < BrandonW> USB.
23:02 < sir_lewk> right, well
23:03 < sir_lewk> yeah, USB
23:03 < chronomex> I'll be back in 10 minutes
23:03 < BrandonW> Let these other key hacker peoples work on the certificate.
23:03  * Michael_V added the 89 key to his calckeys.txt file
23:04 < BrandonW> Did you specify which it was?
23:04 < sir_lewk> wait, how do the 3rd party OSs that currently exist for the 68ks work?  some sort of hack like Free83P?
23:04 < BrandonW> (0101, 0103, etc.)
23:04 <+Michael_V> BrandonW: yes
23:04 < BrandonW> If I recall correctly (from half a decade ago), you had to use TIB Receiver or something.
23:04 < BrandonW> So basically an oncalc OS receiver.
23:04 <+Michael_V> oh
23:04 < BrandonW> Similar to LinkMan.
23:04 <+Michael_V> not me :P
23:05 < BrandonW> Well yes, you, I was asking if you specified which key it was in your text file.
23:05 < sir_lewk> ah
23:05 <+Michael_V> oh
23:05 <+Michael_V> of course
23:05 <+Michael_V> they're all labelled
23:06 <+Michael_V> if I'm ever in Texas, I want to stop at the TI headquarters
23:06 <+Michael_V> with a big banner
23:06 <+Michael_V> with the keys
23:06 <+Michael_V> and waive it around out front
23:06 < sir_lewk> hahaha
23:06 < incubus> I've driven by it
23:06 <+Michael_V> they have some sort of calculator stonehenge I believe
23:06 <+Michael_V> I think I'd walk in in a suit and say "I'm here for the 2 o'clock meeting with Herbert Foster"
23:06 < incubus> lol
23:06 <+Michael_V> and see if I could meet him
23:07 < incubus> what would you say to him, if you got face to face?
23:07 < BrandonW> Hm...
23:07 <+Michael_V> I'd probably just ask him what his concerns were really
23:07 <+Michael_V> and see if he got angry or not
23:07 <+Michael_V> and if he would be the type to discuss it
23:07 <+Michael_V> or if he'd just throw me out
23:07 < sir_lewk> aww, googleing "calculator stonehenge" just returns a bunch of crap about solar calenders and whatnot
23:07 < BrandonW> I vote the latter.
23:08 <+Michael_V> BrandonW: How about those t-shirts?
23:08 < BrandonW> chronomex was designing it.
23:08 < BrandonW> Last I heard.
23:09 < DrDnar> I made a bitmap with the key in it. You open the bitmap in your favorite hex editor and strip the header and padding off.
23:09 < BrandonW> Thanks for posting that comment from Brian Dean, by the way.
23:09 < BrandonW> I was trying to find that.
23:09 < DrDnar> What comment?
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23:10 < BrandonW> A TI developer basically saying you can write your own OS and do what you want, just don't include any copyrighted code and you'll get no help from us
23:10 <+Michael_V> and saying that he communicated with Foster about it
23:10 < sir_lewk> http://pi_3_14.tripod.com/id26.html might be interesting
23:11 < sir_lewk> a cease and desist letter from 2005 from Herbert Foster
23:11 < DrDnar> You can use this as an avatar: http://pws.cablespeed.com/tehblueblur/ti83p/keys.bmp . The DeCSS bitmap was a lot bigger, more avatar-sized.
23:11 < DrDnar> How many keys do we have now?
23:11 <+Michael_V> 3
23:11 < BrandonW> There's a post in that Fun Number Theory Facts thread that details where we are with all of them.
23:11 < DrDnar> The 89 key is the third?
23:11 <+Michael_V> yes
23:12 < BrandonW> haha, that page has Herbert Foster's phone number.
23:12 < BrandonW> hasn't changed.
23:12 <+Michael_V> Herbert W. Foster never changes
23:13 < BrandonW> I do work in a call center...it's crossed my mind several times to put his number in the automated dialer.
23:13 < BrandonW> He'd get nonstop calls from all sorts of people.
23:13 <+Michael_V> He's like Agent Smith in the Matrix
23:13 <+Michael_V> I bet
23:13 <+Michael_V> I bet he has a secretary
23:13 < BrandonW> So the third key is 03, and it's the 89 OS signing key.
23:14 < DrDnar> DoS his phone?
23:14 < BrandonW> Does anyone know if other models can accept an OS signed for the 89?
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23:17 < BrandonW> Seriously, I can put his phone number somewhere and then pull up the call recording of it.
23:17 < BrandonW> We could get his voice.
23:17 <+Michael_V> we could make a youtube video
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23:17 <+Michael_V> clips of his voice
23:17 <+Michael_V> over and over
23:17 <+Michael_V> with calculator keys
23:17 < BrandonW> lol
23:17 <+Michael_V> and other random images
23:17 <+Michael_V> like "rap chop"
23:17 < DrDnar> Sorta like the Picard Song, only evil.
23:17 <+Michael_V> if you've seen that
23:18 < sir_lewk> haha
23:18 <+Michael_V> we could even mix in other popular videos
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23:18 <+Michael_V> "Hi, I'm Herbert Foster. You're going to be in a great mood all day!"
23:18 < BrandonW> I'm really really tempted.
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23:18 <+Michael_V> well if you call now you sure won't get anyone in person
23:18 <+Michael_V> it's 6:20 PM on Sunday there I believe
23:18 < BrandonW> Right, I'd have to do it tonight and it'll happen at some point tomorrow.
23:18 < BrandonW> It's a daily load.
23:19 <+Michael_V> oh I thought you could do your own phone too
23:19 < BrandonW> I'd be totally removed from this, just in case he starts freaking.
23:19 < BrandonW> And then later I'd go get the recording.
23:19 <+Michael_V> well just tell him you're letting him know personally that you took it down
23:19 <+Michael_V> he did leave his phone number after all
23:20 < sir_lewk> true
23:20 < BrandonW> I'm scared.
23:20 < sir_lewk> it's not like it's unreasonable to call the guy that's legally threatening you
23:20 < BrandonW> Yeah, I just want to be prepared.
23:21 < sir_lewk> now, recording his voice and putting a comically hacked up version on youtube, that might make him a little annoyed :)
23:21 <+Michael_V> http://www.memestreams.net/topics/
23:21 <+Michael_V> interesting
23:22 <+Michael_V> it seems TI is going after links as well
23:21 <+Michael_V> they can't do that
23:22 < BrandonW> Awesome.
23:22 < BrandonW> We know they're doing it to reddit.
23:22 < BrandonW> haha, a link to ticalc.org?!
23:22 < BrandonW> Herbert's gettin' busy.
23:23 < sir_lewk> oh damn
23:23 < BrandonW> This is freaking sweet.
23:24 < chronomex> I wonder if we at ticalc got an email yet
23:24 < sir_lewk> they really must be freaking out
23:24 <+Michael_V> they probably know Sweden is too cool for this
23:24 <+Michael_V> well
23:24 <+Michael_V> there's no DMCA
23:24 <+Michael_V> so they can't do anything to Sweden
23:24 < chronomex> true
23:24 < chronomex> awesome
23:24 < chronomex> we should post them on our front page
23:24 < chronomex> though that I'm sure breaks some sort of precedent
23:24 <+Michael_V> Magnus wouldn't allow it
23:24 < chronomex> yeah, I know
23:25 < sir_lewk> should have a new ticalc post detailling all of this, for informational purposes
23:25 < BrandonW> Yes.
23:25 < chronomex> Yes.
23:25 <+Michael_V> I'm very tempted to come back to post that :)
23:25 < chronomex> heh
23:25 <+Michael_V> but someone else can
23:25 < chronomex> I might write it up today
23:26 <+Michael_V> I rather enjoy that I retired on the news of the key being cracked
23:26 <+Michael_V> such a logical conclusion
23:26 < sir_lewk> :D
23:26 <+Michael_V> after 7 years of hacking
23:26 < Barrett> wait, TI is doing something about that?
23:26 <+Michael_V> well
23:26 <+Michael_V> 10 total
23:26 < sir_lewk> Barrett: yeah man, DMCA notices and stuff
23:26 <+Michael_V> but 7 from when I first had my own OS loaded
23:26 < Barrett> even notices to people who only provide links?
23:27 <+Michael_V> yes
23:27 < sir_lewk> apparently yes
23:27  * chronomex afk
23:27 <+Michael_V> send everything to chillingeffects.org
23:27 < BrandonW> hehe
23:27 < BrandonW> I'm getting excited.
23:27 < Barrett> someone gonna post this news to slashdot?
23:28 <+Michael_V> I tried originally and nothing happened
23:28 < Barrett> well, I think the takedown notices would be more likely to show up on the front page
23:28 <+Michael_V> let's look at the DMCA
23:28 <+Michael_V> (f) Reverse Engineering. -
23:28 <+Michael_V>     * (1) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other prog
23:28 < BrandonW> Yeah, interoperability.
23:28 < BrandonW> I'm not sure that works here.
23:29 < BrandonW> It does with iTunes.
23:29 < BrandonW> And that whole fiasco.
23:29 <+Michael_V> the main problem is the DMCA is just evil
23:30 < sir_lewk> the thing is, these keys are only used for signing.  it was never an issue of reverse engineering their OS
23:30 < sir_lewk> unless we "reverse engineered the factors fo the keys" which is just fucking weak
23:30 < BrandonW> We reverse engineered the boot code which they might consider "the TI-83 Plus operating system software code."
23:30 < sir_lewk> was that actually encrypted though?
23:31 < BrandonW> No, that's not encrypted.
23:31 < sir_lewk> so did we really "circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access"?
23:31 < BrandonW> Yes, we can now put our own OSes on there, and we couldn't before.
23:31 < BrandonW> We have added our own access to it.
23:31 < sir_lewk> hmm
23:31 < BrandonW> Which is perfectly legitimate.
23:31 < BrandonW> And yet not.
23:31 < BrandonW> See, we don't know what TI's trying to shut down, ALL third-party OSes or just modifications to theirs.
23:31 < BrandonW> Trying to take this down does both.
23:32 < BrandonW> They can bite me on the first one, the second I understand.
23:32 <+Michael_V> well they operate on fear
23:32 <+Michael_V> they can't go after linking for instance
23:32 <+Michael_V> but they do because people take it down anyway
23:32 < sir_lewk> I don't think there is anything wrong with figuring out how the system works (ie, how the bootcode works) unless tehere were effective controls in place to prevent us from figuring it out
23:32 < BrandonW> The difficulty of RSA factoring is to prevent us from figuring it out.
23:33 < BrandonW> We killed a system of control they had in place.
23:33 < sir_lewk> well that was to prevent us from being able to actually do it, but we already knew how it worked in theory
23:33 <+JoeYoung> yo
23:33 <+Michael_V> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_prime
23:34 <+JoeYoung> BrandonW
23:34 < BrandonW> Yes?
23:34 <+JoeYoung> youwere saying how you didn't want TI to see calcstuff
23:34 < sir_lewk> meh, this is all semantics
23:34 <+JoeYoung> but you pointed a big finger right toward it :/
23:35 < BrandonW> I couldn't care less if they see it.
23:35 < BrandonW> How did I?
23:35 <+JoeYoung> oh shoot, never mind
23:35 < BrandonW> I wish they did, it would tell me they actually took the time to go through it and disassemble some of it and see how dangerous it truly is.
23:35 <+JoeYoung> I thought it was http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/
23:35 < BrandonW> Jesus, we posted a CERTIFICATE PATCH TO ADD OUR OWN OS SIGNING KEY before this and still they said nothing.
23:35 < BrandonW> It's mind-boggling how stupid they are.
23:36 < BrandonW> We've done very clear violations of the DMCA before this.
23:36 < BrandonW> This is the most legitimate, safest way to put an OS on a calculator.
23:37 < BrandonW> Front page of ticalc.org, every bit of it.
23:37 < BrandonW> And we know they read it.
23:38 < sir_lewk> pretty braindead
23:39 <+Michael_V> maybe they're annoyed about the TI-81 :P
23:40 < BrandonW> This guy is a manager of business services or something, he has no idea what's going on.
23:40 < BrandonW> He knows nothing of the technical details of this.
23:42 < BrandonW> Free83P, both OS signing keys cracked, the 81 cracked...
23:42 < BrandonW> They must be freaking right about now.
23:43 < BrandonW> All that's left is the TI-80, and it may have something similar.
23:43 <+Michael_V> hmm
23:43 <+Michael_V> BOINC isn't cracking the 73 key
23:43 <+Michael_V> my tasks are failing now
23:44 < BrandonW> I was working on it earlier.
23:44 <+Michael_V> it says output file absent
23:45 <+bsparks> I'm moving my stereo, should I keep the 5 CD changer? or take it out [ because all my music is on record or my comp ]
23:46 < BrandonW> I haven't seen an error yet.
23:46 < sir_lewk> if you don't need it, don't bring it
23:46 <+i_c-Y> keep it!
23:46 <+i_c-Y> it gives you +5 cool
23:48 <+bsparks> sir_lewk, by 'moving' it's going from behind my chair to beside my desk, 5ft lol
23:49 <+bsparks> I should remove the tape deck >_>
23:49 <+bsparks> I own ONE cassette 
23:50 < BrandonW> haha, I'm going to fix the sequence mode bugs in OSes 2.21 and 2.22.
23:50 < BrandonW> And re-sign them.
23:51 < BrandonW> (in reference to http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/seqfix.zip )
23:53 < DrDnar> Ya know what? I bet if Michael wrote 'factored' instead of 'cracked' they wouldn't have noticed.
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23:54 <+JoeYoung> I learned so much crazy stuff yesterday and today and I still don't get it :/
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23:58 <+Michael_V> DrDnar: If I wrote that, perhaps
23:58 <+Michael_V> but no one would understand
23:58 < sir_lewk> I suggest we ban the words "crack" and "hack" and only use "factor"
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23:58 <+Michael_V> they'd wonder "Why did he write about a random prime being factored?"
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