--- Log opened Fri Aug 21 00:00:12 2009 --- Day changed Fri Aug 21 2009 00:00 < Randomist> I'm assuming it's because they're more Apple-friendly? 00:00 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.188.82] has joined #tcpa 00:07 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.188.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 360 seconds] 00:07 < bsparks> nah 00:07 < bsparks> because they cover more 00:07 < bsparks> and more interesting things at that 00:07 < bsparks> but the iPhone version of the site, does help >_> 00:09 <@_Auron_> huh, katamari game for android 00:09 <@_Auron_> too bad I can't see protected apps on the market 00:11 < bsparks> _Auron_, hope it's not like Katamari for iPhone/iPod 00:12 <@_Auron_> probably is 00:12 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.175.145] has joined #tcpa 00:12 < bsparks> then it is made of fail 00:12 <@_Auron_> how so? 00:12 <@_Auron_> it got low ratings apparently 00:13 < bsparks> _Auron_, tilt control is all wonky when combined with touch control 00:13 <@_Auron_> they use tilt? oh god 00:13 < bsparks> so at some points you have to tilt, turn, touch, and somersault to get it right 00:14 <@_Auron_> sounds horrible 00:14 < bsparks> it is 00:14 < bsparks> I got _no_ fun out of that game 00:14 * Randomist wishes he had one of those HP laptops with the accelerometer. 00:14 < bsparks> whereas, katamari for the PS2 and PSP was awesome :D 00:14 <@_Auron_> yeah 00:14 <@_Auron_> I didn't like the PSP version as much 00:14 <@_Auron_> because it was ... annoying to play 00:15 < bsparks> it got on my nerves after a while, but I did beat it and manage to have fun 00:15 < Randomist> The accelerometer shows up as a joystick device, so you can use it in games. :P 00:15 <@_Auron_> lame 00:16 <@_Auron_> unless it's on a small lightweight device that doesn't have THE screen on it, it's kinda useless to have an accelerometer except for really simple tilt games 00:17 < bsparks> I can picture an accelerometer in like, the TouchBook being useful 00:18 < bsparks> but at the moment, iPods and phones with accelerometers pretty much are it 00:18 -!- Spengo [~Spengo@pool-71-111-191-207.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 00:18 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.175.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 360 seconds] 00:19 * bsparks sighs, hasn't backed his iPod up since July =/ this is taking forever 00:19 < bsparks> but I am digging this new indie music 00:19 < Randomist> Is the backup program is not differential-based+ 00:20 < Randomist> * ? 00:20 < bsparks> "[20:19:13] * bsparks sighs, hasn't backed his iPod up since *~*~*~*~*July*~*~*~*~* =/ this is taking forever" 00:20 < Randomist> Oh. 00:20 < Randomist> Mis-read. 00:21 < bsparks> _Auron_, which is more sad about http://www.redmondpie.com/htc-hero-sense-ui-on-iphone/ . The fact that it exists? Or the fact that I am backing up my iPod so I can do that to it <_< cause tbh, Sense UI is in some ways > iphone OS 00:22 <@_Auron_> latter 00:22 <@_Auron_> lol 00:22 < bsparks> haha 00:22 < Randomist> Yay. Arch is now on my VM. Time to compile a kernel for it. >.> 00:22 <@Nikky> !k 00:22 < Randomist> Yay, Nikky's awake. Uh-oh. 00:23 <@Nikky> hahahahahahahahah, Apple 00:23 -!- _Auron|G1 [~Auron@m490436d0.tmodns.net] has quit [AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 00:24 -!- Goplat [~goplat@76-191-156-24.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Time left until the Apocalypse: 28yrs 22wks 4days 2hrs 49mins 50secs] 00:28 < bsparks> I WIN 00:28 < bsparks> np: Inner Circle - Bad Boys [0:49-3:51/245kbps] 00:28 < bsparks> <_< 00:33 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.177.11.58] has joined #tcpa 00:41 < BrandonW> I went back and rewatched the gate exploding in Stargate Atlantis. 00:41 < BrandonW> I'm all pumped up again. 00:41 < BrandonW> For Stargate Universe. 00:42 <@_Auron_> I've never really watched atlantis 00:43 < BrandonW> It's just so much more epic to me because it's the city of the Ancients. 00:43 < BrandonW> It's awesome when anything happens. 00:43 < BrandonW> Effects-wise. 00:43 < BrandonW> Like blowing up the control tower. 00:44 < BrandonW> I like explosions. 00:46 < Randomist> Especially with a great pair of headphones or theatre system. 00:47 <@Nikky> Stargate is a joke. 00:48 < BrandonW> You're a joke. 00:48 <@Nikky> At least I don't watch Stargate. 00:48 <@Nikky> Anymore. 00:48 < BrandonW> Yeah, the franchise is dead now. 00:48 < BrandonW> But it used to be awesome. 00:53 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.177.11.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 360 seconds] 01:00 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: ninja cheerleaders 01:00 < i_c-Y> its on now 01:00 < BrandonW> Awesome. 01:00 < i_c-Y> its just starting 01:01 <@_Auron_> mm this blur effect I'm doing is actually working out 01:01 < i_c-Y> go watch!!! 01:01 < i_c-Y> TMC-E 01:04 < i_c-Y> watching BrandonW ? 01:04 < BrandonW> Two minutes. 01:06 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.184.37] has joined #tcpa 01:07 -!- incubus [incubus__@98.194.19.98] has joined #tcpa 01:12 -!- JoeYoung [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 01:12 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v JoeYoung] by etaonrish 01:13 < BrandonW> I just started laughing uncontrollably as soon as George Takei came on. 01:13 <@Nikky> :( 01:13 <@Nikky> Hater 01:14 < BrandonW> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85ErE44VAs 01:16 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: heh. 01:18 < incubus> BrandonW, this is supposed to be funny? Do I need sound? 01:18 < i_c-Y> i think this is the best dance in the movie, but three girls on a stage that small doesnt really work too well 01:18 < i_c-Y> not to mention the blondes arent as good as the brunettes. 01:19 < BrandonW> No, that's the epic gate explosion. 01:19 < BrandonW> Ninja Cheerleaders is funny. 01:20 < i_c-Y> :) 01:20 < BrandonW> Sound would be better. 01:21 < i_c-Y> well i think it was low budget 01:21 < BrandonW> What, the clip? 01:21 < BrandonW> Or the movie? 01:21 <@Nikky> nerds 01:22 < i_c-Y> the movie 01:22 < BrandonW> The entire budget had to have been spent on George Takei. 01:22 < i_c-Y> the brunette has an obsession with crushing genitalia. 01:22 < i_c-Y> she's also the prettiest one. 01:24 -!- mtgrss111 [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:30 < incubus> LMFAO BrandonW 01:30 < incubus> hahahah 01:30 < incubus> dude all you need is 5k$ and you get George Takei, let's be fair 01:30 < incubus> we could probably get him in #tcpa for like 1000$ 01:31 < incubus> btw 01:31 < incubus> Is it a rule that every technician or scientist in a sci-fi movie has to be slightly balding with really thin stringy, messy hair? 01:31 < incubus> and glasses of course 01:31 < BrandonW> "What's with all the nut crushing?" "I don't know, it just seems right." 01:32 < incubus> BrandonW, where is George Takei?? 01:32 < incubus> what video? 01:32 < BrandonW> All it takes is $500 to have a conversation with Christian Slater, I know this for a fact. 01:32 < incubus> and you know this how? 01:32 < BrandonW> He's in this movie, Ninja Cheerleaders. 01:33 < BrandonW> It used to be on his web site. 01:33 < incubus> Ninja Cheerleaders... Circa ? 01:33 < BrandonW> It wasn't his but it was his unofficial fan site thing. 01:33 < BrandonW> That he considers his. 01:33 < incubus> hahha 01:33 < BrandonW> So it's sort of official, I guess. 01:34 < BrandonW> Anyway, I don't know, IMDb it. 01:34 < incubus> LOL I saw him in the trailer 01:34 < incubus> George Takei, he sucks at bladecraft 01:37 < i_c-Y> its funny ish 01:37 * Randomist stabs those Windows Seven taskbar popups. 01:38 * incubus stabs Randomist 01:39 < Randomist> And it give me no option to turn those off. 01:39 -!- geno [~birds@69.37.132.247] has joined #tcpa 01:40 < i_c-Y> so far, what does this movie get on the BrandonW scale? 01:40 -!- geno is now known as Geno 01:41 < incubus> BrandonW watches movies? :P 01:42 < Randomist> He's not me. :P 01:43 < incubus> I tend to speak for BrandonW, on his behalf 01:44 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.184.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 360 seconds] 01:44 -!- Geno is now known as Genolo 01:46 < BrandonW> I'm not really paying attention to it. 01:46 < BrandonW> So I think that makes it a -2. 01:47 < BrandonW> Of course I watch movies, I think you're mentally unstable if you don't. 01:47 < BrandonW> Randomist is the one that doesn't watch anything. 01:47 < BrandonW> And chronomex. 01:47 < chronomex> I watch things. 01:47 < chronomex> Sometimes I watch movies. 01:47 < i_c-Y> lies 01:47 < i_c-Y> they are male and are on the internet 01:47 < chronomex> I am male ... yes. 01:47 < chronomex> so? 01:47 < i_c-Y> therefore they watch movies of the pornographic sort. 01:48 < chronomex> no, I don't like porn 01:48 < BrandonW> I'm on a classic Trek/'Gate high at the moment. 01:48 < BrandonW> So I'm going to watch Voyager's Scorpion Parts 1 and 2. 01:49 < i_c-Y> are you going to finish watching ninja cheerleaders? 01:49 < BrandonW> Probably not. 01:50 < BrandonW> I think the blonde with the curly hair is the hottest. 01:50 < BrandonW> I rate the brunette as #3, actually. 01:50 <@Nikky> perv 01:50 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.132.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 360 seconds] 01:51 < i_c-Y> really? lame 01:51 < BrandonW> Maybe #2. 01:51 < i_c-Y> i think the brunette is #1, tie #2 for the blondes i guess 01:52 < i_c-Y> the curly haired blonde is starting to show her age. 01:53 < BrandonW> Yeah, but it doesn't take away from the hotness somehow. 01:53 < i_c-Y> hm 01:55 < i_c-Y> the curly haired blonde was on the real world apparantly 01:55 < i_c-Y> like 16 years ago 01:55 < i_c-Y> or 17 01:55 < i_c-Y> the first time i watched this i was giving commentary on it in #chemistry 01:55 < i_c-Y> remember when george takei had good roles? 01:56 < BrandonW> He's Hiro's father in Heroes. 01:56 < i_c-Y> see her age really shows in the cheerleader uniform 01:56 < i_c-Y> yeah but heroes sucks 01:56 < i_c-Y> only the first season was okay 01:56 < BrandonW> It does suck now, but it didn't used to. 01:56 < BrandonW> They're going to fix it this season. 01:56 < i_c-Y> did you see season 3? 01:56 < BrandonW> Peter will get his powers back and all will be right with the world. 01:56 < BrandonW> Yes. 01:56 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.177.26.51] has joined #tcpa 01:56 < i_c-Y> from the first two seasons i think the pinnacle was Kristen Bell. 01:57 < i_c-Y> and shes not nearly as good in it as she was in Veronica Mars 01:57 < i_c-Y> the soundtrack is too stereotyped in this movie too 01:58 < i_c-Y> if only i kept a crossbow in my locker in highschool 01:59 < i_c-Y> my locker wasn't big enough for that 01:59 < BrandonW> I liked Kristin Bell in it, and her death was retarded. 01:59 < i_c-Y> yeah 01:59 < BrandonW> They did so much wrong in season 3, but they'll fix it. 02:00 < BrandonW> I have faith now since the rumors with Peter. 02:00 < i_c-Y> heh 02:00 < BrandonW> Peter and Hiro are the only two characters I care about. 02:00 < BrandonW> As long as their characters are okay, I'm okay with not even seeing them. 02:00 < BrandonW> I'll take the other junk. 02:00 < BrandonW> But this butchering of their powers is ridiculous. 02:01 < i_c-Y> these girls have way too much gonad addiction 02:01 < i_c-Y> addiction to destruction of them. 02:02 < BrandonW> That's all the more reason not to like the brunette. 02:02 < BrandonW> She freaks me out. 02:03 < BrandonW> This is why George Takei agreed to do it. 02:03 < i_c-Y> cause he's gay? 02:03 < BrandonW> Yes. 02:04 < i_c-Y> the brunette has a nicer face too. 02:04 < i_c-Y> and actually kinda reacts when they do stuff. 02:04 < BrandonW> Did you see him in the Comedy Central roast of William Shatner? 02:04 < i_c-Y> no 02:05 < i_c-Y> ill check it on youtube or comedycentral.com i suppose 02:06 < BrandonW> It scared me a little the first time I saw it. 02:07 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.177.26.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 360 seconds] 02:08 < i_c-Y> that was a really bad delivery on george takei's part in regards to kinji 02:10 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.166.246] has joined #tcpa 02:11 -!- JoelS [~JSeligste@1601br1-egress-1.corp.tfbnw.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 02:11 < BrandonW> I feel so bad for Suder in Voyager. 02:12 < i_c-Y> you're not seeing hte movie to its conclusion? 02:12 < BrandonW> Afraid not. 02:12 < BrandonW> I only get that channel in the living room. 02:12 < BrandonW> I'm on the main tower in the office. 02:12 < i_c-Y> that could have almost been a good fight scen. 02:12 < i_c-Y> if the kinji character had a better voice 02:13 < i_c-Y> and george takei had some better sword skills. 02:13 < i_c-Y> and they had better special effects. 02:13 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.166.246] has quit [Client Quit] 02:13 < i_c-Y> its like a bad version of the power rangers 02:14 < BrandonW> Power Rangers had that, too. 02:15 < i_c-Y> they really should have picked an actress for kinji that didnt have such an annoying voice 02:17 < i_c-Y> hm oh she was only 27 or 28 in th emovie? 02:17 < i_c-Y> i thought she was older than that 02:18 < i_c-Y> Trishelle cannatella hta tis 02:20 < BrandonW> Firefly's ruined me...whenever I see explosions in space, I can't help but think about how there's no sound. 02:21 < i_c-Y> :) 02:24 < BrandonW> "Unable to initiate self-destruct due to damage to secondary command processors." That look of "oh crap" on Janeway's face is priceless. 02:26 -!- JoeYoung [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:33 -!- Iyun [~Iyun@adsl-64-219-119-46.dsl.bumttx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:37 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.241.225] has joined #tcpa 02:44 < bsparks> _Auron_, to hell with the Sense UI >_> http://gizmodo.com/5342120/neat-and-tidy-ipod-touch-theme-makes-my-iphone-jealous <_< 02:48 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.241.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 360 seconds] 02:48 -!- aikidox [~none@c-24-34-60-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 02:53 -!- JoeYoung [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 02:53 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v JoeYoung] by efneTI92, Remius 02:55 -!- aikidox [~none@c-24-34-60-236.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 03:00 * Randomist shakes his fist at VirtualBox, which still assumes that all sixty-four-bit Linux distros are multi-lib. 03:06 * incubus stabs Randomist 03:10 < i_c-Y> why wouldnt you be? 03:12 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.240.151] has joined #tcpa 03:23 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.240.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 360 seconds] 03:31 < BrandonW> There's in fact no good reason not to stab Randomist. 03:32 < Merthsoft> hi guys 03:43 < E-J> morning 03:47 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.177.22.205] has joined #tcpa 03:48 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@191.11.226.166.in-addr.arpa] has joined #tcpa 03:48 <@efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing. 03:55 -!- Milyardo [~zpowers@raptor.csesp.umflint.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 198 seconds] 03:57 -!- [BAF64] [~ferrisr@cpe-74-67-34-29.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:59 < i_c-Y> Randomist: are you seriously not running a multilib system? 04:00 < i_c-Y> on AMD64? 04:00 < Randomist> Arch Linux has pure sixty-four-bit. 04:01 < i_c-Y> i dont see why youd do that. 04:03 < bsparks> !t Welcome to #TCPA | TI-OS signing key cracked! | calc.org is hiring! /msg V200 for details | If you watch The Highlander backwards, there can always be two. 04:03 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to #TCPA | TI-OS signing key cracked! | calc.org is hiring! /msg V200 for details | If you watch The Highlander backwards, there can always be two. 04:03 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.177.22.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 360 seconds] 04:03 < TheStorm> i_c-Y, Arch Linux runns Pur 64Bit if possible only installing 32bit libs when needed 04:03 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.29.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 384 seconds] 04:57 < BrandonW> I have no idea what that sentence is supposed to say. 04:58 < incubus> lmfao 04:58 < BrandonW> What do you have against "64-bit"? Honestly? 04:58 < BrandonW> It's even easier to type. 04:58 < BrandonW> Less of a chance of screwing it up. 04:58 < Randomist> Mine or TheStorm? 04:59 < BrandonW> His, but you're the one spelling out numbers. 05:00 < TheStorm> Yeah 64-bit would have been more readable 05:01 < E-J> should that pur be pure? 05:01 < Randomist> I spell them out if they are a hundred and under, and things like {two..nine}-{hundred,thousand,million}. 05:02 < bsparks> I should see if a Megas XLR DVD box set exists 05:03 < TheStorm> I've always gone with under 13 I spell out. 05:05 < E-J> i mostly spell ten or less in finnish 05:06 < BrandonW> I'm pretty sure it's actually proper English to spell out anything less than ten. 05:06 < E-J> becaus finnish 11 and 12 doesn't differ like they do in germanic languages 05:06 < BrandonW> And if your sentence starts with the number. 05:07 -!- JoeYoung [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:08 < E-J> what if sentence starts with bcall? 05:08 < TheStorm> lol 05:08 < Randomist> http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/GRAMMAR/numbers.htm 05:09 < TheStorm> Woot I finally Beat Star Fox 64 :) 05:09 < Randomist> E-J: Code is a PITA to work out how to write in with good English. 05:09 < BrandonW> Doesn't matter, what I said is right, Randomist, because it's me. 05:09 < BrandonW> You only just now beat Starfox 64? 05:09 < Randomist> At least when you have no formatting. 05:09 < BrandonW> I have beaten that so many times I could lose my mind if I did it again. 05:09 < BrandonW> The hard path, right, TheStorm? 05:10 < BrandonW> (Area 6 -> Venom) 05:10 < TheStorm> IDK, I'd never played it before until my friend loaned it to me a few days ago 05:10 < BrandonW> When you beat Andross, did he turn into a metal face, or a brain with two eyes? 05:11 < TheStorm> brain with two eys 05:11 < TheStorm> eyes* 05:11 <@_Auron_> then you did the hard path 05:11 < TheStorm> well I wouldn't say it looked that much like a brain though 05:12 -!- likeWOAH [~Icy@pool-96-239-237-128.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 05:12 <@efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth. 05:12 < BrandonW> It's been so long, though, I can't get all 15 medals again. 05:12 < BrandonW> (I have an N64 and that game in the living room) 05:12 < BrandonW> I played it a few days ago. 05:12 < TheStorm> I have at least two Medals 05:13 < TheStorm> at least in project64, i had to give the game back yesterday :P 05:13 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 05:13 <@efneTI92> [Netham45] Narf! 05:13 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by efneTI85 05:13 < TheStorm> It took a while to get a control sceme that worked well on my laptop. 05:14 < BrandonW> It's sacrilege to play Starfox 64 on ANYTHING other than the original N64 controller with rumble pak. 05:15 < BrandonW> The hard-core players do those charged-but-not-locked-on shots a lot. 05:15 < BrandonW> To get hit+1 on everything. 05:15 < TheStorm> Yeah 05:15 < BrandonW> I can't do it. 05:16 <@_Auron_> play 50 hours a day and you can! 05:16 -!- millinao [~millinao@c-24-22-91-155.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 05:16 < Randomist> Ugh. Cell-phone typists in IRC are bad. 05:16 < TheStorm> I was able to do that a bit, the hardest part IMO is going up against Star Wolf and the other Fighters with non-dumb AI's 05:17 < Randomist> Not just the kind that write every word in shorthand, but also those who have to press [Return]... 05:17 < Randomist> ...every... 05:17 < Randomist> ...friggin'... 05:17 < Randomist> ...word! 05:17 <@_Auron_> I liked the mothership level 05:17 <@_Auron_> that level is badass 05:17 < BrandonW> Katina. 05:17 <@_Auron_> yeah 05:18 <@_Auron_> there's like a million enemies :D 05:18 < BrandonW> Yee-ha, you did it! 05:18 < likeWOAH> im considering installing windows 7 05:18 < TheStorm> lol, I beat the Game but I didn't beat my high score :P 05:18 < BrandonW> I could quote the whole game. 05:18 < Randomist> likeWOAH: Do it! 05:18 < likeWOAH> but i want the windows vista look... 05:18 < Randomist> I think its there. 05:18 < millinao> lol wut r u 05:18 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-71-172-209-57.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:18 < millinao> tlkng abot 05:18 < BrandonW> _Auron_, do you kill absolutely everything both good and bad in Katina, or aim for only the bad ships? 05:18 -!- likeWOAH is now known as i_c-Y 05:18 < BrandonW> I kill absolutely everything. 05:19 <@_Auron_> lol 05:19 <@_Auron_> me too 05:19 < i_c-Y> the taskbar looks like KDE4 not windows vista. 05:19 < millinao> fuck, I read that as Katrina 05:19 < Randomist> If not, I'm sure there's one on the Internets you can grab with the third-party theme-allowing patch. 05:19 < TheStorm> I didn't do that one this time around 05:19 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Z:8015-190D] 05:20 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 05:20 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by efneTI81 05:23 < BrandonW> Katina's on the middle path. 05:23 < BrandonW> So is Solar and MacBeth. 05:25 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #tcpa [testing stuff that involves nick change flood] 05:25 < Randomist> http://wintervenom.brandonw.net/Windows-Desktop.png 05:25 < BrandonW> I've seen someone beat Starfox on the SNES once. 05:25 < BrandonW> I played it once way back when, when the SNES was new. 05:26 < Randomist> Yes, I still hate Aero. :P 05:26 < incubus> omfg 05:26 < incubus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_-AAzJV10M 05:26 < incubus> thank you for youtube god 05:26 < millinao> oh god 05:27 < millinao> everytime I see something like this I think I'm going to die, because my life is now complete 05:27 < Randomist> You spend more time changing it out than you do cleaning the shit out. 05:27 < Randomist> * up 05:27 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 05:27 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by efneTI81 05:28 < incubus> millinao, the windows desktop? 05:28 < millinao> no, that video 05:28 < incubus> hahah 05:28 < incubus> lol @ Randomist's comment 05:29 < millinao> probably true 05:29 < incubus> oh it's definitely true 05:29 < incubus> notice he puts it back in the pouch, WTF 05:29 < incubus> the dog is carrying shit on its back 05:31 <@_Auron_> ftw 05:32 < Randomist> Fuck the world, indeed. 05:32 < millinao> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDJ2o8hxW7g lul 05:33 < millinao> the camera guy's a little too confrontational, but it's still hilarious 05:33 < bsparks> "One is the loneliest number that you'll ever know. Two can be as bad as one, it's the loneliest number since the number one." becomes "First, I am disappointed to know him. This is wrong." http://translationparty.com/#2382241 05:34 < Randomist> I love that site. 05:34 < incubus> millinao, he said he doesn't want to talk 05:34 < incubus> back the fuck off 05:35 < millinao> yeah 05:35 < incubus> you don't have the right to pester someone 05:35 < i_c-Y> i think of windows 7 as vista sp2.5 05:35 < i_c-Y> and am i the only person who wants windows 7 to look like vista? 05:35 < i_c-Y> jeez! 05:35 < millinao> yes 05:35 < incubus> millinao, no one said shit while people were comparing Bush to Nazis 05:36 < Randomist> "In addition, one or two cases, one by one takes a single number. 2 can be a lonely ["one" repeated twenty times] or more is wrong." 05:36 < millinao> yeah 05:37 < incubus> I'll go with Dennis Miller, until someone kills 6 million people, stop with the Hitler comparisons 05:37 < millinao> thing is that there's a group of people that like obama 05:37 < Randomist> !qfind randomist 05:37 <@efneTI86> 1083:Andy_J: Ox40: you make randomist look like he belongs in oxford. | * Randomist has joined #tcpa | speak of the devil | Randomist: have you considered applying to oxford? | No. | consider it. 05:37 <@efneTI86> 954:Andy_J: !qadd I use IE. By far the best browser currently available. | * Randomist goes into shock. | did your parents drop you on your head or something?! < when Netham45 and Randomist are more correct than you, you know you're in trouble. 05:37 <@efneTI86> 1215:Merthsoft: Nikky works? | Nikky doesn't work. | He doesn't do anything. | Except bother people all night so he won't be lonely. | I thought he had a girlfriend? | He is the girlfriend. 05:37 <@efneTI86> (Plus 26 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=randomist&channel=tcpa&search=search) 05:37 < millinao> not nearly as much liked bush 05:38 < BrandonW> I don't remember saying that. 05:38 < incubus> not true 05:38 < incubus> at the beginning Bush was a much more popular president, and certainly after 9/11 05:38 < incubus> well I won't say popular, I'll just say approval wise 05:38 < incubus> These guys CLEARLY don't want to talk, buzz off 05:38 < incubus> fuck this guy in the face 05:39 < millinao> yeah, but that was because of the artifically inflated "OMG TERRISTS" instead of agreeing with his policies 05:39 <@Nikky> I supported Bush 05:39 < incubus> hehe 05:39 < Randomist> If this was in the {East,West} side, he would get blown away. 05:39 < incubus> millinao, I argued like this with someone at my university 05:39 < BrandonW> I would rather not fuck him in the face. 05:39 < incubus> slightly confrentational but not nearly as emotional as this guy 05:39 < millinao> man, I probably should have watched the entire video before I linked it, this guy IS an asshat 05:40 < incubus> but they pulled me aside and asked me "what do you think" :) 05:40 < incubus> lol millinao 05:42 < Randomist> "Nikky's words are just air and other stakeholders a lonely night in his words." 05:42 < i_c-Y> hm 05:44 -!- Barrett [~Barrett@75-165-230-123.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Leaving] 05:44 < incubus> millinao, what's your stance on healthcare? 05:44 < millinao> I'm a dumbass 15 year old kid 05:45 < incubus> you have no brain? :P 05:45 < incubus> I'll listen to a 15 year old 05:45 < incubus> depending on what he's wearing (shorts preferrably) 05:45 < incubus> preferably* 05:46 < millinao> I guess I'd agree with the altruistic public health care option, but I don't know if it's so feasable with the giant money sink that we're in 05:46 < incubus> you realize a lot of people will be put on public health care right? 05:47 < millinao> yeah 05:47 < millinao> ~47 million if i remember correctly 05:47 < incubus> the US doesn't have enough doctors to support that 05:47 < incubus> and I think it will be more than 47 million after private healthcare stops being available to companies 05:48 < incubus> Do you know healtcare in Canda is already straining? 05:49 < millinao> can you provide the source on private healthcare won't be available to companies 05:49 < incubus> quote from the Canadian Minister of Health (I forget if it's former or the new one) : "The Canadian healthcare system is imploding" 05:49 < incubus> millinao, it's common sense 05:49 < incubus> tell me this 05:49 < incubus> as a business owner, WHY would you give your employees healthcare? 05:49 < incubus> You do this now as an incentive to workers 05:49 < millinao> yes 05:49 < incubus> There is NO REASON to do this if you can use the government 05:49 < incubus> You would be a business idiot 05:50 < millinao> so, how would there be more uninsured if they switch to the government sponsored health care 05:50 < incubus> because of this 05:50 < incubus> you get healthcare through your business who gives you a reduced cost healthcare plan 05:50 < incubus> so you can pay 250$/month for healthcare 05:50 < incubus> for your entire family 05:51 < incubus> Without your company giving you healthcare, you pay 1000$+ (usually on the plus side) a month 05:51 <@_Auron_> instead of $600/month per person 05:51 < incubus> yes 05:51 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-239-237-128.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:51 < incubus> So EVERYONE who can't pay over 1000$+ a month will not be able to have private health insurance 05:51 <@_Auron_> which almost no one can afford 05:51 < incubus> so thus MANY people switch to healthcare 05:51 < incubus> public healthcare 05:51 < millinao> yes, I know 05:51 < incubus> I'm not saying private insurance dissapears, I'm saying it flat lines 05:52 < incubus> And remember the less clients they have, the higher the rates 05:52 < incubus> it's an absolute disaster for private health insurance 05:52 < millinao> i'm saying, why would you think that more people will be left without health care? 05:52 < incubus> ok 05:52 < incubus> you will get healthcare 05:52 < incubus> don't get me worng 05:52 < incubus> wrong* 05:52 < incubus> but it will be like canada 05:52 < millinao> you just explained why they would shift to public health care 05:52 < incubus> ok listen 05:52 < incubus> I'm explaining 05:52 < incubus> there WILL be public healthcare 05:52 < incubus> but it will SUCK 05:52 <@Nikky> LISTEN MILLINAO. WE'RE TURNING INTO NAZI GERMANY 05:53 < incubus> no 05:53 < incubus> I never said that 05:53 < millinao> <3 05:53 < incubus> that doesn't even make sense 05:53 < TheStorm> lol 05:53 < millinao> I don't understand why you think it will suck 05:53 < millinao> canada's doesn't suck 05:53 < incubus> millinao, Yes it does 05:53 < incubus> it's awful 05:53 < incubus> here's a video 05:53 < millinao> norway's doesn't suck 05:53 < incubus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw 05:53 < incubus> 2 guys 05:53 < millinao> hell, most european countries' dont suck 05:53 < incubus> trying to get healthcare in Canada 05:53 < incubus> millinao, you know why people say that? 05:53 < TheStorm> millinao, which nation do people come to for top of the line heathcare? 05:53 < incubus> Because they listen to their friends in Europe 05:54 < incubus> Guess what, it doesn't suck TILL YOU GET SICK 05:54 < millinao> BECAUSE THEY WERE SILENCED BY THE GVMNT 05:54 < incubus> no 05:54 < incubus> millinao, fuck you 05:54 < incubus> I haven't said anything arbitrary or untrue, or outlandish 05:54 < incubus> millinao, also, Norway has how many people? 05:54 < incubus> 4 fucking million 05:54 < incubus> ? 05:54 < millinao> fuck bro i was gonna just sit down, watch some king of the hill, drink my celementine izze, and maybe listen to some tchaikovsky 05:54 <@Nikky> mmm, private healthcare 05:54 < incubus> 4 Million is EASY to manage compared to 360 million 05:55 < incubus> and Norway is SUPER rich per person 05:55 <@Nikky> Yeah, we have the south. :/ 05:55 < incubus> we have lots of poor people 05:55 < incubus> Nikky, I'm in the south :( 05:55 <@Nikky> sorry :( 05:55 < Randomist> Uh-oh, politics. [Runs away.] 05:55 < incubus> The funny thing is, Texas has more money than your state :D 05:55 < millinao> which is why I say that we probably shouldn't do shit until the DOD stops being a giant sink 05:55 <@Nikky> ^ 05:56 < incubus> millinao, watch that video to see how healthcare in canda is 05:56 < incubus> weeks of waiting for surgery 05:56 < incubus> 2-3 years to be assigned a family doctor 05:56 < Randomist> Get rid of the war on drugs, and you won't have to worry about money. :P 05:56 < millinao> weeks, instead of never 05:56 < millinao> hmm which one do I prefer 05:56 <@Nikky> Surgery is overrated 05:56 < incubus> millinao, you get healthcare in america now 05:56 < incubus> and get it that day 05:56 < incubus> you walk into an ER clinic 05:56 < incubus> and someone else (the insurance companies) pay for it 05:56 <@Nikky> incubus speaks the truth 05:56 < incubus> you wait 7 hours or whatever 05:57 < millinao> i told you, i'm a dumbass 15 year old kid 05:57 < incubus> :) 05:57 <@Nikky> The issue is that if you don't have health insurance, the government is forced to pay for more expensive care for ER instead of cheaper preventative care 05:57 < Randomist> Four more year--days! Four more days! 05:57 < millinao> hell I don't even know how paying taxes works 05:57 < incubus> no one does 05:57 < incubus> :) 05:57 < millinao> good point 05:58 < incubus> Nikky, preventative care is actually very expensive from a report I read 05:58 < millinao> but really, do you feel good proving me wrong 05:58 < incubus> and might not outweigh the cost 05:58 < incubus> millinao, not at all, I feel sad that a ton of Americans think EXACTLY like you do 05:58 < millinao> :C 05:58 <@Nikky> Ohh, you read a report 05:58 < incubus> Nikky, by the US Dept of Health? :/ 05:58 <@Nikky> I read a report, it said that there will be death panels 05:58 < incubus> there will be no death panels 05:58 <@Nikky> DEATH PANELS 05:58 < incubus> that is silly 05:58 <@Nikky> HOLY FUCK 05:59 < Randomist> millinao: This is the Internet. Everyone feels good about proving people wrong! 05:58 < incubus> I don't 05:59 < incubus> btw 05:59 < incubus> There won't be death panels 05:59 < incubus> but there will be rationed care 05:59 < incubus> Care is rationed now, it's just by how much $ you have 05:59 < millinao> politics is hard 05:59 < incubus> It will still be rationed by how much $ with public healthcare, but to a MUCH smaller percent of the population, the extremely wealthy 05:59 < millinao> lets go shopping 06:00 < incubus> So the bottom line is, if you want public health care, you just want it to be Shitty Care, but 'Fair' care 06:00 < incubus> you have to ration care, there's no other way 06:00 < incubus> it's a limited resource, not enough doctors 06:00 <@Nikky> I dunno, I kind of liked super awesome private insurance care 06:00 < incubus> private insurance sucks, it's so expensive, no one likes the cost 06:00 < incubus> there does need to be change 06:01 < incubus> but not in the way this HR bill proposes (imo) 06:01 < incubus> It would be great if public health care meant better health care 06:01 < Randomist> This must be what all that "hope" and "change" was about. 06:02 < incubus> people forgot Obama was STILL a politician 06:02 < incubus> : 06:02 < incubus> :( 06:02 < millinao> yeah, obama's campaign was lulzy 06:02 < incubus> His approval rating dropped like a rock 06:02 < millinao> he had a giant cult of personality in my school 06:02 <@Nikky> We should have elected Hillary. 06:02 < incubus> millinao, he was a smooth talker 06:02 < incubus> in stark contrast to Bush 06:03 < incubus> It was inevitable 06:03 < incubus> I hate when people say "He sounds so elegant when he speaks" or something of that nature, without analyzing 06:03 <@Nikky> Let's talk about something we can all agree on 06:03 <@Nikky> Namely, banning guns. 06:03 < incubus> ban those shits 06:03 < incubus> well 06:03 < incubus> not ban 06:03 < incubus> er 06:03 < millinao> fuck those guns 06:03 < incubus> Ban automatic weapons 06:03 < incubus> for SURE 06:03 < incubus> no questions 06:03 < incubus> just do it 06:03 < Randomist> We just had a lot of people in the dorm, screaming about how he's going to hook them up with some weed. 06:04 < incubus> Randomist, lol 06:04 <@Nikky> haw haw 06:04 < millinao> I would think that something needs to be done more about the average homicidal gun 06:04 <@Nikky> mmm, democrats 06:04 < millinao> i think I know what time it's for 06:05 <@Nikky> Hillary? 06:05 < millinao> thats right, listening to radiohead and playing quake live 06:06 < Randomist> 0111.10 in the morning... 06:06 < incubus> millinao don't look at this 06:06 < incubus> http://ebd1.mirror.waffleimages.com/waffleimages/files/91/914385eea5d9e6c50dfae262ab34bc6083c2dbea.jpg 06:06 < millinao> too late 06:06 * incubus sighs 06:06 < Randomist> !k incubus Missing NSFW tag. 06:06 -!- incubus was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [MetalRand: Missing NSFW tag.] 06:07 -!- incubus [incubus__@98.194.19.98] has joined #tcpa 06:07 < millinao> he did hint at it 06:07 < incubus> it was a given! 06:07 < incubus> it's 1am btw wtf 06:07 < incubus> NSFW: http://4room.info/forum/uploads/1244462976/gallery_3_123_135185.jpg 06:07 < incubus> safe for you millinao 06:07 < incubus> would you? 06:07 < millinao> she's cute 06:07 < incubus> LOL 06:08 < millinao> i'm not kidding 06:09 < millinao> my attractiveness rating is binary 06:09 < millinao> and the lower rating is a small minority 06:09 <@_Auron_> yeah she doesn't look like a slut 06:10 <@_Auron_> which is a good thing 06:10 < Randomist> Krisk got kicked for posting that image, so I think there's a joke in there somewhere. 06:11 < millinao> most celebrities aren't attractive to me 06:16 < incubus> Did anyone see Transformers 2? 06:17 <@_Auron_> I haven't seen either one 06:19 -!- millinao [~millinao@c-24-22-91-155.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:23 < Randomist> 0123 in the morning. 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13:41 <@E-J> some say it's also night of the teen vomits 13:43 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-239-237-128.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 13:43 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-239-237-128.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Connection closed] 13:43 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth. 13:44 < jr19> heh 13:44 < jr19> i'm going to sleep tonight, that's all i know 13:44 < jr19> i'm tired 13:44 <@E-J> me too, too less sleep during week 13:44 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-239-237-128.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 13:44 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-239-237-128.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Connection closed] 13:45 < jr19> i didnt get much sleep last night 13:46 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-239-237-128.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 13:50 < jr19> does everybody have a shitty internet connection today or what 13:51 <@E-J> me either, for some reason i made small script between 23 and 00 and went sleeping after midnight 13:51 <@E-J> just for "fun" 13:53 -!- E-JL [relamsa@vipunen.hut.fi] has quit [Quit: se rogue ei buutannukkaan] 13:53 < jr19> well i have a wedding to go to tomorrow and then i am going out tomorrow night, so i am going to take it easy tonight 13:54 <@E-J> yeah, it might be shameful to snore when priest is speaking in church 13:54 <@E-J> while* 13:57 <@E-J> nice motd on server where i have this irssi, http://users.tkk.fi/~relamsa/turhaa/newkosh.txt 13:58 < jr19> the wedding isn't in a church so i dont have to worry about that 13:58 <@E-J> ah 13:58 < jr19> why isnt the motd in finnish 13:58 <@E-J> i should put pictures from my brother's weddings to somewhere 13:59 <@E-J> well there is several foreign students in tkk and it should have been in 3 languages 13:59 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59 <@E-J> because official languages of university are finnish and swedish 13:59 < jr19> ah ok 14:00 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 14:00 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI92 14:00 <@E-J> and they assume that every user can at least understand english 14:00 < jr19> -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01 <@E-J> :) 14:01 < jr19> ah english 14:01 < jr19> i understand spanish i guess 14:01 < jr19> and can speak it somewhat 14:03 <@E-J> i can sometimes speak english, writing goes better (or i hope so), i understand some swedish and some german and i can maybe order something in restaurant in both languages, but that's almost all 14:03 < jr19> spanish speaking countries are the only countries that i live somewhat close to 14:03 <@E-J> at work i speak daily english a little bit but sometimes forget crucial words 14:04 < jr19> i guess they speak french in eastern canada, but that doesn't count 14:04 <@E-J> iirc small towns called montreal and quebec have lots of french speaking people 14:05 < jr19> helsinki university of technology...hmm 14:05 < jr19> yeah in the province of quebec they speak french 14:05 < jr19> and english 14:08 <@E-J> well, in europe you can survive with english almost everywhere 14:08 <@E-J> though in france they don't want to speak english 14:08 < jr19> figures 14:08 <@E-J> and in germany some people don't speak english 14:08 < jr19> hmm it is expensive to fly from chicago to helsinki 14:09 <@E-J> it might be more expensive to fly from helsinki to chicago 14:09 < jr19> maybe 14:09 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-239-237-128.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Insert generic /quit message here. ] 14:10 < jr19> finland is too cold for me anyway :) 14:10 <@E-J> maybe, and too dark in winter and too lighty in summer :) 14:11 <@E-J> 2152 euros is one way ticket with finnair 14:12 < jr19> haha 14:12 < jr19> thats ridiculous 14:13 <@E-J> 1031 euros two-way if i'm for example 2 weeks in chicago 14:13 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-71-172-214-17.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 14:15 < jr19> new york is probably more interesting 14:16 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-71-172-214-17.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-71-172-214-17.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 14:17 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18 <@E-J> maybe, well i think i don't have money to travel anywhere right now 14:18 <@E-J> except maybe by bus to work at monday 14:18 < jr19> i am looking forward to a relaxing evening tonight 14:19 < jr19> unfortunately, that is about 8 hours away 14:19 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 14:19 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by efneTI86 14:24 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 14:24 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI86, Remius 14:25 <@efneTI92> [Netham46] Narf! 14:26 <@E-J> apparently 286 pictures i took at those weddings 14:27 <@E-J> jr19: what's current temp there now? 14:27 <@E-J> outisde 14:27 <@E-J> i<->s 14:29 < jr19> oh, its not that warm 14:29 < jr19> 17C 14:30 < jr19> 63F 14:31 < i_c-Y> betsy mccaughey is annoying 14:31 < jr19> i'm not sure who that is 14:31 < i_c-Y> she wont shut up on the daily show 14:31 < i_c-Y> shes the OBAMA IS GOING TO KILL YOUR GRANDPARENTS 14:32 <@E-J> jr19: it's 19C here, 14:33 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 14:33 < jr19> its raining here so that probably contributes to the cool temperature 14:34 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 14:34 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by SnowCrash 14:34 <@E-J> well, autumn is coming so it's not so warm anymore but sun is still shining and i can still wear shorts 14:35 < jr19> yeah i should be able to wear shorts for about another month or so 14:35 <@E-J> it has been though bit chilly at mornings, something like +8 14:35 < jr19> september is usually a nice month 14:36 <@E-J> well, sometimes yes, still warm but signs of fall can be seen in trees 14:36 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:36 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 14:36 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by etaonrish 14:36 < jr19> i like fall but i despise winter 14:41 -!- Netham47 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 14:41 < jr19> E-J: you will have to watch out for hurricane bill coming your way 14:41 <@efneTI92> [Netham47] Narf! 14:41 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 14:41 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham47] by efneTI81 14:42 < jr19> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at3.shtml?5-daynl#contents 14:47 <@E-J> heh 14:49 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:56 -!- Netham45 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chains new singer is black 16:08 < jr19> not that theres anything wrong with it, it just doesnt seem like you see many black people singing that kind of music 16:09 <+krisk> how can the ckkkkkkkkkk last long? 16:11 < jr19> i guess its more baaaaaaaaaaaack 16:11 <+krisk> yeah 16:11 < jr19> i did a terrible job of putting it into text 16:11 <+krisk> ok 16:12 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.177.11.61] has joined #tcpa 16:12 < jr19> hmm i bet lollapalooza was bad ass back in the day 16:17 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 16:17 <@efneTI92> [Netham45] Narf! 16:17 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by efneTI85 16:24 < _Digital> so I'm having a logic issue with bash 16:24 < _Digital> I'm grepping a file 16:25 -!- Nikky [~nikky@dante01.u.washington.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:25 < _Digital> and if I gt a hit, I don't want anything to happen 16:25 < _Digital> aside from cycling to the next 16:26 < _Digital> well the logic I'm using is: if [ `grep query file`]; then ... 16:26 < _Digital> that will work exactly the opposite of what I want so I add a ! infrom of the firs ` 16:26 < _Digital> that should invert the result, but it doesn't... 16:27 <+krisk> ok 16:27 < _Digital> how do I invert the logic in teh conditional test? 16:29 < i_c-Y> why dont you check if the return value is equal 0? 16:29 < _Digital> that would do what I'm looking for? 16:29 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.213.3] has joined #tcpa 16:30 < i_c-Y> see the grep man page if you want to check if you want to see if the return value is = 0 or !=0 16:30 -!- bsparks [~NinjaDrag@d60-65-200-180.col.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:30 < _Digital> I was actual in the process, but sometime each author wirte teh language differently so I don't understand the options well 16:33 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 16:33 <@efneTI92> [Netham46] Narf! 16:33 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI81 16:34 < jr19> oh wow 16:34 <+krisk> hmm i think it is time to install windows 7 16:34 < jr19> i think so too 16:34 <+krisk> how do i know if my hardware is compatible/ 16:34 < jr19> you install it and you find out when things don't work 16:35 < _Digital> i_c-Y, so I used -z, but when there is a match, there is no expression value returned and there is an error produced in the if statement. I was hoping for something more clean 16:35 < Milyardo> sir_lewk: is my new favourite slashdot troll 16:35 < Milyardo> <3 sir_lewk 16:36 <+krisk> how do i backup thunderbird and its profiles and settings and stuff 16:37 < jr19> mozbackup.jasnapaka.com 16:37 <+krisk> cool thanks 16:37 < jr19> yw 16:38 <+krisk> wish i could easily install 7 on a live HD via a VM and then boot into it and done 16:39 -!- patz2009 [~patrick@c-69-247-152-128.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 16:39 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v patz2009] by etaonrish, efneTI92 16:40 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40 < jr19> windows 7 is good shit 16:40 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:40 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 16:40 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by Remius 16:41 <+krisk> wait i will have to install it virtually somehow 16:41 <+krisk> since i dont have an optical drive 16:42 <+patz2009> I've heard something about flash drive installations before 16:42 <+krisk> cool for people with flash drives 16:43 < jr19> haha 16:43 <+patz2009> You don't have an optical drive or a flash drive? =| 16:43 < jr19> krisk only uses 1.44mb floppies 16:43 <+krisk> and no floppy 16:44 <+krisk> i have a network interface why the fuck would i add anything else 16:44 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-71-172-214-17.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Insert generic /quit message here. ] 16:44 <+patz2009> if you can find some way to do a network install then, where's the problem? 16:44 <+krisk> doesnt that require another pc? 16:45 <+patz2009> what DO you have then? 16:45 <+krisk> a pc 16:45 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-242-199-246.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 16:46 <+patz2009> Usually, the only thing I think about anymore with no optical drive are netbooks. 16:46 <+krisk> just need to find how to install in a vm and then export the vm to a real drive 16:48 < jr19> want netbook 16:48 <+krisk> what for 16:50 < i_c-Y> the IBM/Lenovo X series hasnt had optical drives for a while 16:50 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50 < i_c-Y> well not anymore i think 16:50 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 16:50 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI85 16:50 <+krisk> it would be cool if i could just create vm, install win7, deploy to hd, reboot, done 16:51 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 16:51 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI86 16:51 < i_c-Y> the x301 has one but no optical drive has been common in ultraportables for years 16:52 < Spengwork> I want 1TB of ram 16:52 <+krisk> ramdrive? 16:53 <+krisk> what vmware edition should i get? 16:53 < Spengwork> I wonder if we will still use hard drives or solid state memory in desktop computers when you cna get 1TB ram sticks 16:54 <+krisk> yes, because reboot and power outages 16:54 < Spengwork> batteries 16:54 <+krisk> no 16:54 < Spengwork> :( 16:54 < i_c-Y> gigabyte iRams were kinda exciting. 16:55 < _Digital> were 16:55 < _Digital> only DDR, max 4 GB 16:55 <@E-J> jr19: apparently some storm is already on central europe because there is heavy rain at iaaf champs at berlin 16:55 < jr19> E-J: well maybe hurricane bill will be affecting europe in a few days too 16:55 < jr19> maybe a week 16:55 <+krisk> oh I can reformat my 60GB games partition to install win7 on and keep xp as it is so I can always set the first hd to boot back to xp's in my bios 16:56 < i_c-Y> lrn2usegrub 16:56 < i_c-Y> or the win 7 bootloader 16:56 < i_c-Y> which will give you an option for xp. 16:56 < i_c-Y> like every windows version has before 16:56 < i_c-Y> where newer versions give you boot menu options for older ones. 16:57 <+krisk> yeah ill install a shitty bootloader that will interrupty every single time i boot when i can just hit f11 and choose the other hd 16:57 < Spengwork> krisk, only 60GB for games? 16:58 <+krisk> when i actually need to once somewhere in the coming 4 years 16:58 < Spengwork> that's like what... 5 games these days? 16:57 <+krisk> i play one game, finish it, them remove it 16:58 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.177.11.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 360 seconds] 16:58 < jr19> raining outside now :\ 16:59 <+krisk> ok, partition nuked.. 16:59 <+krisk> now what vmware is best? 16:59 <+krisk> fusion? 16:59 <+krisk> workstation? 16:59 < jr19> i only have experience with workstation 17:00 <+krisk> i dont want to download a versio nand find out after 6 hours of messing with vmimages that it doesnt have some feature i need 17:01 < i_c-Y> why dont you just use virtualbox? 17:01 < i_c-Y> its free and you dont need to pirate it 17:01 < i_c-Y> fusion is for macs 17:01 < i_c-Y> if you're running on a desktop you want to use VMWare workstation. 17:02 <+krisk> will i be able to have it use a real partition as a hd and write bootloader to the first sector of that real hd? 17:02 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.177.11.61] has joined #tcpa 17:02 <+krisk> (in virtualbox) 17:02 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 17:02 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI85 17:02 < i_c-Y> no, it will make a virtual disk image 17:02 <+krisk> gay 17:03 < Andy_J> why on earth would you want to do that 17:03 < i_c-Y> if you want to do that just install it directly. 17:03 <+krisk> why would i want to install an OS directly 17:03 <+krisk> Im in an OS, thats not gonna work is it 17:03 < i_c-Y> Andy_J: i've learned that asking that question tends to make me cringe. 17:04 < i_c-Y> so get out. 17:04 < Andy_J> krisk: you typically cannot install an OS from inside an OS 17:04 < i_c-Y> i can! 17:04 < Andy_J> you're atypical 17:04 <+krisk> you typically can use a real vm software to isntall an OS in a vm that uses a real hd and then boot into that when its all done 17:04 <+krisk> minimize downtime 17:04 < Andy_J> ... no? 17:04 <+krisk> yes, ive done so before with ubuntu and xp64 17:05 < Andy_J> the installed OS will have all the drivers for the VM and will choke on your real hardware 17:05 < jr19> i wondered about that also 17:05 < jr19> since some hardware is virtualized 17:05 <+krisk> oh noes it will recognize different hardware and then install it 17:05 <+krisk> oh noes 17:05 < Andy_J> windows tends to not do that very well 17:06 < jr19> i'm guessing you should try with vmware esx 17:06 < Andy_J> especially if it can't find the drive controller 17:06 < Andy_J> then you just get a BSOD when the kernel can't mount the system drive 17:06 <+krisk> yeah i kinda think that it will need to already have the driver controller since Ill be installing an OS on a drive... 17:06 <+krisk> so no problem there 17:06 < Andy_J> Except you're installing the OS in a VM which has a different drive controller than your real machine 17:07 < Andy_J> so when it goes to find the one from the VM and it isn't there, it panics 17:07 <+krisk> except the vm will use the real machines drive directly so it will ahve the same controller 17:07 < Andy_J> No, it doesn't work that way. 17:07 <+krisk> i think its ide anyway 17:07 <+krisk> let me check 17:07 < Andy_J> It uses whatever abstraction it uses, and then goes through windows to get at the real controller 17:07 < Andy_J> That doesn't mean shit. 17:07 < Andy_J> I've had this problem on ages-old machines with fairly common ATA controllers 17:08 < Andy_J> Windows just *does* *not* like you changing its drive controller out from under it 17:08 <+krisk> well unless win7 installer has firefox and windows live messenger and mirc integrated into it so i can keep chatting and browsing internet while installing 7 ill try the vm 17:09 < Andy_J> win7 takes like 10 minutes to install 17:09 < Andy_J> are you really that addicted? 17:09 <+krisk> if it doesnt boot ill just press the power button, f11, and boot back into xp 17:09 < Andy_J> just do it right the first time 17:09 <+krisk> yeah but uhm if it screws up ill have a pc with no working os 17:09 < i_c-Y> then dont screw up 17:09 < jr19> how would you install it while not being in xp anyway? 17:09 <+krisk> and no optical drive 17:09 < jr19> if you have no other way of installing 17:10 <+krisk> yeah and that 17:10 < i_c-Y> do you have a flash drive? 17:10 <+krisk> not big enough no 17:10 <+krisk> and im too lazy to take my hd out and mount it into my external hd case thing 17:10 < jr19> just go for it 17:10 <+krisk> plus that hd has content on it 17:11 < Andy_J> don't come crying to us when you fuck it up 17:11 < jr19> i find it strange that you have no optical drive heh 17:11 <+krisk> i have one but its not connected 17:11 <+krisk> 2 IDE HDDs so the cable is full 17:11 <+krisk> and yes only one IDE conenctor on the mainboard 17:12 <+krisk> and no I never ever ever ever use cd's or dvd's so why bother keeping the drive in there 17:12 <+krisk> VMware ESX is fancy, whats it for? 17:12 <+krisk> looks like it doesnt have a host os 17:13 < Andy_J> servers. 17:13 < Andy_J> it *is* the OS 17:13 <+krisk> yeah 17:13 <+krisk> so not esx then 17:14 <+krisk> oh i have workstation 6.5 17:14 < Andy_J> 13:01:12 < i_c-Y> why dont you just use virtualbox? 17:14 < Andy_J> 13:01:17 < i_c-Y> its free and you dont need to pirate it 17:15 <+krisk> because it sucks too much to be able to do what i need it for 17:15 <+krisk> which is installing to real partition 17:15 < Andy_J> so then go *buy* vmware 17:15 < Andy_J> or drop the discussion in here. 17:15 <+krisk> i HAVE wokrstation 6.5 17:15 <+krisk> i just forgot about it 17:16 <+krisk> also, about the drivers issue 17:16 < jr19> i was apparently mistaken 17:16 <+krisk> i can reboot into the installation before it installs the drivers 17:16 <+krisk> since it will first install the installer and make that bootable and then ahve you reboot to actually install the os 17:16 <+krisk> or does win7 do it differently? 17:17 < Andy_J> it does it differently, IIRC 17:17 < Andy_J> it just ... does it 17:17 <+krisk> ok well thats fine too 17:17 < i_c-Y> as long as you have aCHi you should be fine 17:17 < i_c-Y> hc 17:17 <+krisk> just gotta hope itll recognize the network adapter so i can download drivers if needed 17:17 < i_c-Y> and you have sata 17:18 <+krisk> ill install to an IDE drive 17:18 <+krisk> the other ide currently has xp, sata is for tb drive with movies and stuff 17:19 < jr19> interesting 17:20 < jr19> i dont think you'll have problems 17:20 <+krisk> yeah i guess the only risk is win7 not liking the environment change on first boot 17:20 <+krisk> in which case ill just reboot back into xp 17:20 <+krisk> cant believe anyone would install an os purging their current one 17:20 < jr19> also, what should i eat for lunch today 17:20 <+krisk> chicken 17:20 < jr19> preferably chicken-based 17:21 < jr19> i dont know where i'm going to go to get it 17:21 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21 < jr19> maybe get a chicken burrito at pancheros 17:21 <+krisk> ok do that 17:21 < jr19> they're so good 17:21 <+krisk> rebooting after vmware install... 17:21 < jr19> omnomnomnom 17:21 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 17:21 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [User excited] 17:21 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by etaonrish 17:22 -!- JoelS [~JSeligste@1601br1-egress-1.corp.tfbnw.net] has joined #tcpa 17:25 < i_c-Y> jr19: is pancheros like chipotle? 17:27 < jr19> yes 17:27 < jr19> as far as i know 17:27 < jr19> i've never been to chipotle though 17:27 < i_c-Y> its good but pricey 17:27 < i_c-Y> they keep hiking prices 17:28 < i_c-Y> and making portions smaller 17:28 < jr19> pancheros has been the same portions, but their prices have gone up 17:28 < Andy_J> I have not noticed chipotle portions getting smaller 17:29 < i_c-Y> when i started collge, the burritos were 6 dollars and some change 17:29 < i_c-Y> now they're like 8 17:29 < Andy_J> I said nothing about the prices ;) 17:30 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #tcpa 17:30 < Andy_J> I think they're still < 7 around here, but they have gone up a bit 17:30 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by SnowCrash 17:30 < i_c-Y> they are getting smaller though here. 17:30 < jr19> holy shit 17:30 < jr19> 8 dollars 17:30 < i_c-Y> ya 17:30 < Andy_J> that isn't necessarily a bad thing because they have a ton of calories 17:30 < jr19> their burritos at pancheros are like $5.85 17:30 < jr19> and they're huge...big enough for one to fill a person 17:30 < i_c-Y> well the chipotle i go to is in NYC 17:30 < jr19> yeah that might have something to do with it 17:30 < i_c-Y> so theres the increased price from that alone 17:31 <+krisk> what i can eat 5000 cals a day for twice that amount of money 17:31 <+krisk> 6 for a single meal is not justifyable 17:32 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 17:32 <+krisk> number of processors for a vm = 1 or 2 for a dualcore? 17:32 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI92 17:33 < Andy_J> depends 17:33 < mokomull> I dunno why you'd need a multi-core VM 17:33 < Andy_J> do you want it to have both? 17:33 < Andy_J> mokomull: depends on what you're doing with it 17:33 <+krisk> ill just leave it at one and let win7 sort things out when its installed 17:33 < Andy_J> if you only have a dual-core machine, you probably don't want the vm to have both 17:33 < mokomull> Andy_J: Well, yeah, I could see it if he were an IT guy and actually needed the capacity... 17:33 <+krisk> well processors != cores so i thought maybe 2 would need two actual cpus 17:33 < mokomull> krisk: What do you mean by "sort things out"? 17:34 <+krisk> detect the real cpu driver, number of cores, etc 17:34 <+krisk> rather than the vm stuff 17:34 < mokomull> krisk: No, in VM land, it's really talking about 2 cores ... by the time the VM looks at it, it's already been abstracted away from the number of sockets. 17:34 <+krisk> ok 17:34 < mokomull> And there's no such thing as a "CPU driver" 17:35 -!- chronomex [chronomex@diomedes.phear.cc] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:35 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35 < i_c-Y> i think he might be talking about something like the cool n quiet stuff, mokomull 17:35 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 17:35 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI85 17:35 <+krisk> yeah amd has an optimizer and cool and quiet driver thing 17:35 < mokomull> krisk: Oh. The VM will likely not be able to control those. 17:36 <+krisk> no but ill be outside the vm by then 17:36 < mokomull> mmk 17:36 < Andy_J> mokomull: he's just trying to use a vm to short-circuit installing windows 7 so he doesn't go through internet withdrawal 17:36 < mokomull> ohhhhhhhhh 17:36 < mokomull> does that even work >_> 17:37 <+krisk> and because i have no other means of install it 17:36 < Andy_J> I would guess not but apparently it does? 17:37 <+krisk> did it for linux once, its only a small guess if itll work for win7 17:37 < Andy_J> http://www.google.com/search?q=install+windows+7+without+optical+drive >_> 17:37 < Andy_J> linux is much more forgiving 17:37 <+krisk> true 17:37 <+krisk> I already mentioned i dont have a flash drive larger than 2gb, twice 17:38 <+krisk> so no silly google links plz 17:38 < Andy_J> but you did mention you have an enclosure you can put a hard drive in, you're just too lazy to do so 17:38 <+krisk> and the drive is being used 17:38 <+krisk> which i mentioned as well 17:38 < Andy_J> you said you have two drive 17:38 < Andy_J> s 17:38 <+krisk> two ide 17:38 <+krisk> and a sata 17:39 <+krisk> the sata can go into an external exnclose and be connected via usb 17:39 < i_c-Y> this is the dumbest discussion ive seen in this channel in a long time 17:39 < jr19> couldnt you just disconnect one IDE for now 17:40 <+krisk> and buy an optical drive, yes 17:40 <+krisk> honestly though, i think this is the best and safest way to install a new os even if you do have an optical drive and all that 17:40 <+krisk> since there is 0 risk of hurting the current os 17:40 <+krisk> and minimum downtime 17:41 < Andy_J> you're writing to the bare hard drive, there's always risk of breaking the current OS 17:41 <+krisk> the only hassle is the drivers after rebooting into the new os 17:41 <+krisk> seperate drive 17:41 < jr19> 11:54 < jr19> i find it strange that you have no optical drive heh 17:41 < jr19> 11:54 <+krisk> i have one but its not connected 17:41 < jr19> O.o 17:41 <+krisk> well i have one somewhere 17:41 <+krisk> not sure if it works 17:41 < jr19> lulz 17:41 <+krisk> or where it is, it may be in another machine 17:42 <+krisk> or maybe i gave it to someone 17:42 < jr19> krisk you should just do it your way and come back whether its win or fail 17:42 <+krisk> well know in an hour or so 17:43 <+krisk> if i can figure out which of my devices i wanto install to... vmware is letting my choose between PhysicalDrive0, PhysicalDrive1, and PhysicalDrive2.. which isnt very helpfull in identifying them 17:43 < jr19> doesnt mention anything about space available? 17:43 <+krisk> not yet 17:43 < Andy_J> why would it, it wants the physical drive 17:43 < Andy_J> it has no idea what partition format or file systems you'll want to use in the guest OS 17:43 < Andy_J> however it could atl east list the total capacity 17:44 <+krisk> although i must say i was pleasantly surprised workstation 6.5 has an option for 'use physical drive' in the new image wizard and is even offering a choice to use a single partition 17:44 < Andy_J> single partition is a bad idea, it can't install the bootloader to the MBR then 17:44 <+krisk> last time i did this, for ubuntu, all the config had to be done manually 17:44 <+krisk> hmm 17:44 <+krisk> but the other partition on the drive has apllications on it 17:45 <+krisk> will that be touched? 17:45 <+krisk> or will it install to just one partition and then mess with the mbr on the drive 17:45 < Andy_J> depends on what you tell windows to do... 17:45 <+krisk> ok, the installer will do that 17:45 <+krisk> i thought maybe vmware will purge the whole thing in advance 17:45 <+krisk> or overwrite all partitions or something 17:46 <+krisk> i wish it had options to show the real hardware through the vm though 17:46 < Andy_J> ... then it isn't a VM anymore 17:46 <+krisk> kinda 17:47 <+krisk> its still a subset of the machine, just with the same hardware 17:47 <+krisk> vmware tools is a step in the right direction, and the videocard gets exposed anyway 17:47 <+krisk> so why not everything 17:48 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49 <+krisk> hmm win7 7100 retail or win7 7600 rtm 17:49 < Andy_J> 7100 is the RC 17:50 < jr19> rtm 17:50 <+krisk> ok 17:50 < Andy_J> and is the only one legal for you to use at this point in time 17:50 < Andy_J> so use it 17:50 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 17:50 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by efneTI92 17:50 <+krisk> actually i have an msdn license for build 7600 17:51 <+krisk> but the word retail confused me 17:51 < Andy_J> not sure why they'd say that 17:51 < Andy_J> 7100 is most certainly the RC 17:51 <+krisk> yeah 17:51 <+krisk> probably a botnet edition lulz 17:55 -!- chronomex [chronomex@diomedes.phear.cc] has joined #tcpa 17:55 <@efneTI92> [chronomex] Come with me to the dork side of the force ... 17:55 -!- Merthsoft 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allynflks 18:40 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [User excited] 18:44 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI92] by SnowCrash 18:46 < allynflks> !k krisk 18:47 -!- Goplat [~goplat@76-191-156-24.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #tcpa 18:47 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Goplat] by efneTI81 18:47 -!- dpunkt [~dpunkt@p5090B235.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #tcpa 18:54 < Randomist> Haven't seen than nick in a long while. 18:55 -!- JoelS [~JSeligste@1601br1-egress-1.corp.tfbnw.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 18:57 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #tcpa 18:57 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by efneTI92 18:58 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 18:58 -!- allynflks [~allynfolk@c-67-160-121-55.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI85, SnowCrash 18:58 <+krisk> hmm.. well... it crashed during boot. restarted into some kind of Startup Repair something and it tried to repair but eventualyl said it couldnt and just said bad driver 18:58 -!- JoelS [~JSeligste@1601br1-egress-1.corp.tfbnw.net] has joined #tcpa 18:59 <+krisk> surely i can install the right driver from the vm and then reboot into it 19:01 <+krisk> is there a safe mode in win7? 19:02 < Andy_J> yes 19:02 < Andy_J> but good luck with it because you won't know what the correct driver is 19:02 <+krisk> could just download all the drivers for all devices 19:03 <+krisk> surely someone made a tool by now that recognizes hardware and gets the right drivers for it 19:03 < Andy_J> yeah it's called installing windows not in a VM 19:03 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-242-199-246.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 19:03 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth. 19:03 <+krisk> im sure windows xp could survive it better 19:03 < Andy_J> Nope, it'd be worse. 19:03 < Andy_J> It'd bluescreen even in safe mode. 19:04 < jr19> is win7 broken 19:04 < Andy_J> At least win7 offered some sort of recovery even though it didn't work 19:04 <+krisk> nah i just need the right drivers 19:04 <+krisk> dont need recovery in xp if it works 19:04 <+krisk> im sure people have done this with xp though 19:04 <+krisk> perhaps rebooting during the setup, before drivers are installed 19:05 <+krisk> hmm what about extracting the windows 7 dvd to the harddrive and removing and reinstalling all device drivers in safe mode letting it look for drivers the extracted directories 19:06 < Randomist> Drivers for what thing? 19:06 <+krisk> ..a pc 19:08 < i_c-Y> why dont you just install win 7 like a normal person? 19:08 < i_c-Y> Andy_J: when you run vista / 7 recovery you have to run it like 5 times for it to actually work 19:08 <+krisk> this is the only way that i can 19:09 <+krisk> are all the drivers from the setup cd somewhere in the win7 installation? so it wont need the disk to isntall new hardware 19:10 < Randomist> Can't you just grab the drivers for whatever hardware it's bitching about from the manufacturer or something? 19:11 < Randomist> * or something [Goddamn XChat.] 19:11 <+krisk> yeah but it doesent say what device is in trouble 19:11 <+krisk> so ill just reboot into safe mode and see if i can uninstall/reinstall everything 19:11 < i_c-Y> the drive is an ide drive? 19:11 <+krisk> yes 19:12 < i_c-Y> not a sata in ide mode? 19:12 <+krisk> pure ide 19:12 <+krisk> i think the drive/controller part is fine since it can start the repair thing from it 19:15 < Randomist> You can always just install Linux and forget about messing with drivers. :P 19:16 < Andy_J> You can always just try to stop getting people to use an inferior operating system. :P 19:16 < i_c-Y> use BSD instead 19:16 <+krisk> why would i bother with linux if i have xp 19:17 < i_c-Y> nvidia needs freebsd AMD64 support 19:18 < Randomist> I should try BSD again. 19:19 <+krisk> well, i will try tonight.. 19:19 <+krisk> later guys 19:19 < Randomist> I didn't in the past because of no AMD/ATi support, but the free driver supports my chipset now. 19:19 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [User excited] 19:20 < jr19> he should just get an optical drive and spare himself the trouble 19:21 -!- _Auron|G1 [~Auron@m390436d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21 < i_c-Y> or use a flash drive or not do this in some retarded manner 19:21 < Andy_J> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 19:24 < jr19> yeah basically 19:24 < jr19> flash drive would be ideal if he had one that big...buying one has got to be cheaper than buying an optical drive 19:25 < i_c-Y> you only need like a 2 or 4 gig one 19:26 < jr19> i just burnt the dvd because i dont have one that big 19:27 < i_c-Y> i burned the dvd so i wouldnt have to waste a flashdrive holding it 19:28 < jr19> i was going to buy an 8gb flash drive online the other day, but meh 19:28 < jr19> i don't really need it 19:28 < i_c-Y> i have an 8 gig ocz diesel, i never used teh whole thing i think 19:29 -!- Netham47 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 19:29 <@efneTI92> [Netham47] Narf! 19:29 < BrandonW_> I keep an 8GB flash drive in my pocket at all times. 19:29 < jr19> i saw an HP one for $15 or something 19:29 < BrandonW_> Because you just never know when you might need it. 19:29 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham47] by etaonrish 19:29 < jr19> i see people keep them on keychains usually... 19:29 < BrandonW_> I have way too many things on my keychain as it is. 19:30 < jr19> so do i 19:30 < jr19> i really should carry one around more often, although i don't know how they'd feel about that where i work 19:30 < jr19> i guess they wouldn't have to know about it eh 19:30 < BrandonW_> I'm not supposed to have them at work either. 19:30 -!- BrandonW_ is now known as BrandonW 19:32 < jr19> i think they'd probably be worried about confidential information getting out, but i see people bring in their personal laptops all the time and hook them to the network 19:32 < jr19> i dont see how that's much different 19:37 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 19:39 < Randomist> A Flash drive for BSD? 19:40 <@E-J> http://kuvaton.com/browse/12521/finalcountdown.jpg 19:41 < Randomist> I'd have to get one that was fast. I have a four-gig one that I have Linux on, but it's slow (even though it says it is a high-speed device), and the kernel locks for a while while it has to write things to the drive. 19:41 < Randomist> * IO-WAIT 19:42 < jr19> E-J: the song was playing in my head before i even opened the link 19:47 < jr19> my stomach does not feel normal 19:47 < BrandonW> For months I was bringing a 2.5" hard drive into work and backing up my work PC. 19:51 < jr19> hmm...at IBM you have to buy your own external hard drive in order to back up your work, and you have to buy software to encrypt it 19:51 < Randomist> Can't use DM-Crypt or something? 19:52 < Randomist> * LUKS 19:52 < jr19> i guess you can use anything that has a license 19:53 < jr19> my friend was telling me this, it's not first-hand knowledge 19:53 < jr19> he got a job there recently since they just opened up a center of some sort here in dubuque 19:56 < jr19> E-J: do you know much about the nokia n900 19:58 -!- Storm|wrk [~TheStorm@rrcs-67-53-176-159.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 19:58 <@efneTI92> [Storm|wrk] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing. 19:59 -!- patz2009 [~patrick@c-69-247-152-128.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00 -!- _Auron_ [~DarkAuron@adsl-99-170-79-85.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Infinity repeatedly denies rumours of plotting with zero to bring down the Universe.] 20:08 -!- JoelS [~JSeligste@1601br1-egress-1.corp.tfbnw.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 20:12 < jr19> my internet goes down in 45 minutes :\ 20:12 -!- JoelS [~JSeligste@1601br1-egress-1.corp.tfbnw.net] has joined #tcpa 20:15 <@E-J> jr19: nope 20:16 < Randomist> O_o` http://www.mydailylol.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Picture-11.png 20:17 < jr19> it looks cool 20:19 -!- Spengwork [~asdf@pool-71-111-134-79.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:21 <@E-J> now that i look those pictures, i agree 20:21 < dpunkt> hey there! I've got another TI-related question.... is somebody able to help me / give me some links? 20:21 < Randomist> O.o 20:22 < dpunkt> i've been able to compile and run programs for my ti82 stats (used comiler and so on for an TI83),but now i want to know whe i can save data 20:23 < dpunkt> i can uses the registers,but where in the RAM can i write? 20:30 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-242-199-246.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36 < dpunkt> hello ;( ?? 20:36 < DSP_Lord> a) wait more than 20 seconds for a response. 20:36 < Randomist> [Crickets chirp.] 20:36 < DSP_Lord> b) iirc, using an 83 compiler for not 83 stuff isn't going to work. 20:37 < Randomist> c) ??? 20:38 < jr19> d) PROFIT! 20:41 < dpunkt> well, imho the ti82 stats is like the ti83 20:42 < dpunkt> ??? PROFIT! ??? 20:42 -!- HelDrag0n [jd@modemcable178.248-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #tcpa 20:42 -!- HelDrag0n [jd@modemcable178.248-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 20:43 < BrandonW> The 82 Stats is an 83, people. 20:43 < BrandonW> I recommend reading 83 assembly tutorials (NOT 83+). 20:43 < BrandonW> Scary as it is, I still remember the starting address for 83 programs (9327h). 20:43 < BrandonW> Not the saferam addresses, though. 20:44 < BrandonW> Set up a Venus or Ion development environment and you'll have include files that tell you where all this is. 20:44 < BrandonW> Offhand, saveSScreen I'm sure. 20:44 < dpunkt> thanks, i'll try that 20:44 < BrandonW> If you want to truly save stuff so that it's there after program execution, you have to save it to a variable using ROM calls. 20:44 < BrandonW> Or use program writeback. 20:44 < BrandonW> And depending on the shell you write for (if you do), it may do that for you. 20:45 < BrandonW> Somewhere in the first 100 digits of pi is 9327h. 20:45 < BrandonW> Way back when I was memorizing digits, I used that to help me. 20:45 < BrandonW> Among other things, of course. 20:48 < dpunkt> till now, i'm only trying to save data in the memory, [sorry] but i'm using assembler since only 3 days now[/sorry] and i haven't understood why i need a shell 20:49 < dpunkt> what means the "100 digits of Pi" stuff? 20:50 < Randomist> I think he means that number in the first hundred digits of Pi. 20:52 < jr19> like 3.14159......9327..... 20:53 < dpunkt> aha - i think i have understand that now 20:53 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.177.11.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 360 seconds] 20:56 -!- Storm|wrk [~TheStorm@rrcs-67-53-176-159.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57 < jr19> well my internet is going down 20:57 < jr19> bbl 20:57 -!- Genolo [~birds@69.37.249.52] has joined #tcpa 20:58 < dpunkt> bye! 21:01 -!- Netham47 is now known as Netham45 21:01 < BrandonW> You don't have to use a shell. 21:01 < BrandonW> In fact, it's usually discouraged. 21:02 < BrandonW> But on the 83, sometimes it's best to use one. 21:02 < BrandonW> Especially Venus, which is an excellent shell. 21:02 -!- linkmaste [linkmaster@c-98-224-210-138.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 21:02 < BrandonW> It's probably the best thing ever written for the 83. 21:03 < dpunkt> what are the benefits if i use a shell 21:03 < dpunkt> except the "nice start manager" 21:03 < BrandonW> I would read the readme to get all the details, but program writeback, libraries, compression, etc. 21:04 < BrandonW> Assembly programs are stored uncompressed on the 83, and it's unique in that way. 21:04 < BrandonW> "Squished" is the more appropriate term. 21:04 < BrandonW> You can cut the size in half by using a shell or ZASMLOAD. 21:04 < dpunkt> well, i'll have a look on it later, thanks 21:05 < dpunkt> wow 21:06 < BrandonW> The 83+ and most others store them squished, so it's never an issue. 21:06 < BrandonW> It used to be a big deal back in the day, though. 21:06 < dpunkt> did i have to compress the files on the pc or the calculator 21:06 < BrandonW> The assembler will generate an unsquished program, unless you're using an environment set up for a shell, and they'll squish it for you (all on the PC). 21:06 < BrandonW> The 83+ and others contain commands in the catalog like AsmComp( which let you squish them on calc. 21:07 < BrandonW> The 83 was the first attempt to include built-in assembly support in the OS, so it's primitive by comparison. 21:09 < BrandonW> Since the only way to run assembly programs on the 83 is with Send(9prgmWHATEVER (and it only runs unsquished programs), you have to use something else to run squished programs. 21:10 < BrandonW> That was the purpose of ZASMLOAD, it was a very small unsquished program you could run with Send(9, and it would run whatever squished program you told it. 21:10 < BrandonW> (name passed via the Ans variable) 21:10 < BrandonW> So "ZTETRIS:Send(9prgmZASMLOAD would have run a squished copy of ZTetris. 21:10 < BrandonW> Shells also run squished programs, which is an advantage to having them. 21:10 < BrandonW> Venus, however, very cleverly gets around all this crap. 21:11 < BrandonW> I still maintain the idea was stolen from me. 21:11 < BrandonW> But that's neither here nor there. 21:11 < BrandonW> The details on how it works are probably in the readme, it's been years. 21:11 -!- dpunkt2 [~dpunkt@p5090C52D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #tcpa 21:11 < dpunkt2> Connetion lost.... 21:11 < dpunkt2> ahhh - so the shell reads the compressed code from RAM, decompres it and at last execute it? 21:12 < BrandonW> Yes, actually there's no decompression, I say "compressed" when I mean to say the native binary form of it. 21:12 < BrandonW> When you type the opcodes in yourself oncalc, that's "unsquished". 21:12 < dpunkt2> aso 21:12 < BrandonW> So for example, a really simple program would be C9:End:0000:End. 21:13 < BrandonW> The first part of that takes up two bytes (character 'C' and character '9'). 21:13 < dpunkt2> yes 21:13 < BrandonW> Squished would just be storing 0C9h as one byte. 21:13 < BrandonW> That's why it's always half. 21:13 < dpunkt2> ohh 21:14 < BrandonW> The disadvantage of it is that you can't edit it or even view it oncalc. 21:14 < BrandonW> So there are ups and downs to everything. 21:14 < BrandonW> If you assemble a squished program on the PC, you'll notice it's write-protected so you can't see it in the PRGM EDIT menu. 21:14 < BrandonW> Because if you did, it would crash. 21:14 < dpunkt2> well, but my mem is more importend then that ;) 21:17 < dpunkt2> i have read in a help file from TI that behind my programm there i can aquire storage for it (the number between :END :END) -- is this permanent or only temp.? 21:18 < linkmaste> does anyone here know of a problem with TiLP crashing when trying to transfer MirageOS? 21:19 < linkmaste> whenever i try to backup my 84+, it stops on mirageos with the message: "ticalcs-INFO: Error Code : 001a" 21:20 < Randomist> I don't know of one. What version you using? 21:20 < linkmaste> the latest, 1.13 21:21 < linkmaste> on linux 21:23 < linkmaste> ah i guess it was actually the mirageos appvar, not the app itself 21:23 < linkmaste> well that's easy enough to uncheck 21:23 -!- dpunkt [~dpunkt@p5090B235.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:24 < BrandonW> dpunkt2, that is an old feature TI added. 21:24 < BrandonW> I've never seen it used successfully. 21:24 < BrandonW> I'm not convinced it even works right. 21:24 < BrandonW> But if it did, I think it's temporary. 21:24 < BrandonW> And you wouldn't have it with squished programs. 21:24 < BrandonW> And you already have plenty of temporary storage with saferam areas. 21:25 < BrandonW> So I would ignore it. 21:25 < dpunkt2> ok 21:25 < dpunkt2> i've downloaded venus, but HOW do i work with it 21:25 < BrandonW> Did you read the readme? 21:26 < dpunkt2> yes, but i have problems to understand if (and WHAT) i had something to change in my program 21:27 < BrandonW> I can't remember, I'd have to get it myself. 21:27 < dpunkt2> well, then i'll have to do it myself, too.... 21:28 -!- linkmaste [linkmaster@c-98-224-210-138.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29 < dpunkt2> well in the .html file is more dev-related content ... 21:29 -!- linkmaste [linkmaster@c-98-224-210-138.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 21:30 < BrandonW> At the start of your program, you would want ".org 9329h \ db .0E7h,"9_[V?",0 21:30 < BrandonW> " 21:30 < BrandonW> Just like the HTML file says. 21:30 < BrandonW> That's all you have to do. 21:31 < BrandonW> When you put Venus on your calculator and assemble a program with that at the start, you can execute it like a BASIC program. 21:31 < BrandonW> Without using Send(9. 21:31 < BrandonW> It's actually not that impressive, it just executes prgm[theta]V which can figure out the program that called it, and then skip past the Send(9 junk and load the squished data to userMem. 21:32 < dpunkt2> yes, i think i've understand now, thanks ;) 21:32 < dpunkt2> $9329 or $9329h ? 21:33 <+Netham45> or you can have the basic program "prgmAPPNAME" run send(9prgmZAPPNAME 21:33 < BrandonW> That's your preference, I prefix letters with 0 and use h at the end, others use $ at the beginning. 21:33 <+Netham45> just seems like that'd be easier than installing something to do that for you. 21:34 < dpunkt2> so $xxxx = xxxxh ? 21:34 < BrandonW> Yes. 21:34 < dpunkt2> thanks 21:39 -!- j-b-r [~j-b-r@ip98-169-89-44.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #tcpa 21:49 -!- bsparks [~NinjaDrag@d60-65-200-180.col.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Leaving] 21:51 < dpunkt2> well, "When you put Venus on your calculator and assemble a program with that at the start, you can execute it like a BASIC program" 21:52 < dpunkt2> a) i cant get venus on my calc (error message by ti-connect) 21:53 < dpunkt2> b) if i add these lines the compiler says source is not ti83 spezific and i can't copy it, too 21:54 * Randomist shakes fist at TI-Connect. 21:55 < dpunkt2> In the Output from the Compiler (I use tasm) i only found these numbers, but no raw txt 21:56 < dpunkt2> well, but this tilp thing dosen't even start..... and i have only an usb cable, so i cant use the old software 22:01 < dpunkt2> well, i've to sleep a little bit after all that information ;) 22:02 < dpunkt2> Thank you all for helping my, special thanks to BrandonW! 22:02 < dpunkt2> See You 22:02 * Randomist shifts your comma over. 22:03 -!- dpunkt2 [~dpunkt@p5090C52D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 22:03 -!- bsparks [~NinjaDrag@d60-65-200-180.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #tcpa 22:04 <@efneTI92> [bsparks] http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/images/smilies/grayscale_drifter2.gif Parrot. 22:25 -!- HelDragon [jd@modemcable178.248-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25 -!- HelDragon [jd@modemcable178.248-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #tcpa 22:26 -!- Netham46 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 22:26 <@efneTI92> [Netham46] Narf! 22:26 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham46] by efneTI85 22:30 < bsparks> I am gonna beat the living shit out of the designer of N+ for the PSP 22:31 < linkmaste> because the community doesn't work, or because the bouncy blocks suck? 22:31 < bsparks> neither 22:31 < bsparks> though, those are issues 22:31 < bsparks> because who the FUCK decided that it's be a good idea to let you go back to the main menu after you die? 22:32 < bsparks> esp when you are on the last level of a chapter 22:32 < bsparks> that should be a process like [START] for main menu "Are you sure you want to quit?" 22:33 < bsparks> as opposed to ~let's ignore any progress you made this level, weeeeeeeee!~ 22:33 < Randomist> Maybe it assumes you are smart enough to know better. 22:33 < Randomist> Expert mode. 22:33 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 22:34 < bsparks> Randomist, smart enough to know better than to accidently press the right button at the wrong time? 22:34 < bsparks> I wanted to pause the game, and I happened to die right as I pressed the button 22:34 < linkmaste> oh yeah i hate that too 22:34 < bsparks> and it feels like they give you too much leeway with the airtime of a jump 22:34 < bsparks> like, almost enough to constitute flying 22:35 < linkmaste> they tried to make it like the N flash game 22:35 < bsparks> "they" being the same programmers of the original game <_< 22:36 < bsparks> and I could have sworn I don't get that much airtime in the flash version 22:37 < linkmaste> silverbirch studios made the ds/psp version and metanet made the flash version 22:37 < linkmaste> if i'm not mistaken 22:37 < bsparks> ahh 22:37 < bsparks> who made the 360 version? 22:37 < bsparks> that was fun <_< 22:37 < linkmaste> probably silverbirch 22:37 < linkmaste> i'm just mad that atari isn't going to host the community 22:38 < linkmaste> when silverbirch went out of business in november 08 atari said they'd take the data and host the community 22:38 < linkmaste> almost a year later, no community 23:07 -!- Spengo [~Spengo@pool-71-111-182-58.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 23:14 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-242-199-246.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 23:14 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth. 23:14 < i_c-Y> true statement 23:15 -!- glk [glk@ppp-70-128-104-129.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net] has joined #tcpa 23:15 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v glk] by etaonrish 23:18 < bsparks> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/cuboy/ is win 23:20 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-242-199-246.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20 * Randomist wrote some assembly. 23:20 * Randomist now has the urge to play with more assembly. 23:20 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-242-199-246.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 23:21 < BrandonW> What assembly? 23:21 < Randomist> z80. 23:21 < BrandonW> What did you write? 23:23 < Randomist> Nothing special, but I was surprised I knew it out of my head. 23:25 < BrandonW> What was it?! 23:27 -!- Nikky [~nikky@nykida.net] has joined #tcpa 23:27 < i_c-Y> hello world. 23:27 < Nikky> Hererrro 23:27 < Randomist> All it did was erase a chunk of memory and display some text. :P 23:28 < Randomist> Nothing special. :) 23:28 < Nikky> :( 23:28 < Nikky> So anyway, the network host for my main IRC client is not accepting off-campus connections for a week or two 23:28 < BrandonW> I remember starting out in assembly waaaaaaaaaaaay back in high school as a freshman. 23:29 < Nikky> some sort of security patches need to be done 23:29 < Nikky> so now I'm sad :( 23:29 < BrandonW> We know you are. 23:30 < Randomist> I wish I had started it out way early, so not only would I'd been very good at it by now, I'd probably have crept into playing with x86 and x86_64 assembly. 23:32 < Randomist> I don't think I have the focus-span for that, now. 23:33 * bsparks is diggin the music in this minishow 23:34 < bsparks> reminds me of the music from Dilbert 23:34 < BrandonW> Mock it if you want, people, but learning z80 assembly in high school was the best thing I ever did. 23:34 < linkmaste> you're lucky 23:34 < linkmaste> all they offer at my high school is .net -.- 23:34 < BrandonW> The only thing my high school offered was...Typing. 23:34 < BrandonW> I taught myself until college. 23:34 < linkmaste> even though the time period is a bit different :P 23:35 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #tcpa 23:35 < BrandonW> And even then, it was all C/C++. 23:35 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by SnowCrash 23:35 < BrandonW> And a tiny smidgen of VB.NET. 23:35 < Nikky> I don't know any programming or scripting languages. 23:35 < BrandonW> And the obligatory x86 course that everyone hates. 23:35 < Nikky> I'm not smart enough. 23:35 < BrandonW> Except for me, apparently. 23:35 < incubus> Is there a way on the TI-89 to move between the start and the end of the command input window really quickly? 23:35 < incubus> Instead of having to scroll left and right 23:36 < BrandonW> Try diamond and the arrow keys. 23:36 < Nikky> diamond+l/r 23:36 < Nikky> or something like that 23:36 <+krisk> well its definately the harddrive controller that win7 doesnt like not being vmware's 23:36 < incubus> no dice 23:36 < incubus> I don't think it's possible :( 23:36 < incubus> oh 2nd does 23:36 < incubus> shoots it to the left or right 23:36 < incubus> nice 23:37 * sir_lewk just saw inglorious basterds 23:37 < incubus> Is there a way to set the scroll speed? It's unbelievably slow 23:37 < sir_lewk> fusking amazing 23:37 <+krisk> sir_lewk is it any good or just pointless violence? 23:39 < incubus> you guys should drink fine beers 23:39 < Randomist> Some people have way too much time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uhjdGXkKOI 23:39 < Nikky> shut up 23:39 < incubus> ? 23:40 <+krisk> win7 crashes on boot with stop 0x00000007B which apparently means disk controller, but ive found a guide on changing it without reinstalling yay 23:40 < Randomist> You're still fucking with that? :P 23:40 < i_c-Y> i also installed windows 7 today 23:40 <+krisk> i went into town 23:40 <+krisk> just came back 23:40 < i_c-Y> took about 20 minutes, copying my music now 23:40 < i_c-Y> then have to reinstall bunch of apps 23:40 < Nikky> I don't use winblows. 23:41 < i_c-Y> Nikky blows 23:41 < sir_lewk> krisk: it's a lot of pointless violence but somehow manages to be superb 23:41 <+krisk> if this controller change works and i can install the right drivers after booting then this is a pretty fast method 23:41 < linkmaste> irssi and linux, good man 23:41 * linkmaste high fives Nikky 23:41 < sir_lewk> not an action movie by any strech, too dark... 23:41 < sir_lewk> interesting 23:42 * Nikky completes 23:42 < sir_lewk> the whole movie you're all like "hmm, they arn't really killing all that many nazis, this movie is almost verging on serious" 23:42 < tev> incubus: You might try something like http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/169/16912.html or http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/123/12388.html -- I think those are the programs I still use. I think you need to install HW3Patch or something like that first. 23:42 < sir_lewk> then at the end you are all: :OOOOOO 23:44 <+krisk> k 23:44 <+krisk> from the trailer it seemed a really stupid movie 23:44 <+krisk> but i might give it a chance then 23:55 <+krisk> anyone happen to know you to do a repair install in windows vista/7 ? 23:57 < sir_lewk> don't you just use the installation disk like in xp? 23:57 <+krisk> hmm maybe 23:58 <+krisk> maybe i can start a command prompt and run the setup from the mounted disk 23:59 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [User excited] 23:59 -!- Nikky [~nikky@nykida.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] --- Log closed Sat Aug 22 00:00:44 2009