--- Log opened Wed Aug 05 00:00:16 2009 --- Day changed Wed Aug 05 2009 00:00 <@Nikky> nice 00:01 < Randomist> Ha-ha, {V200,PollTroll,Barrett} has seaweeded Intertubes. 00:01 -!- boscop [boscop@f051176156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:04 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 00:06 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@CPE-70-92-241-13.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 00:06 <@efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing. 00:06 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Z:8015-190D] 00:07 -!- boscop_ [~boscop@g228003165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 00:09 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: no data for 492 seconds] 00:11 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 00:11 <+Michael_V> I think VLC is the best program written in the last decade 00:11 <+Michael_V> It does everything and takes all the hassle out of it 00:11 <+Michael_V> and it's so simple 00:12 < Andy_J> it's also stupid because it intentionally ignores the operating system's built-in codec facilities 00:12 <+Michael_V> I don't care 00:12 <+Michael_V> that's what makes it so nice to use 00:12 <+Michael_V> I haven't found anything it doesn't play yet 00:12 <+Michael_V> playing videos used to be a mess of codecs 00:12 <+Michael_V> xvid, divx 00:12 <+Michael_V> download and install 00:12 <+Michael_V> quicktime 00:12 < Andy_J> k-lite and media player classic will do just about everything too 00:12 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@CPE-70-92-241-13.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 00:12 < Andy_J> and, hey, you can use any directshow player 00:13 < Randomist> But VLC works on a shitton of operating systems with the same codecs. 00:13 < Andy_J> ignoring each of those OS's codec facilities 00:13 < Andy_J> it also looks like crap 00:13 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 00:13 <@efneTI92> [Netham45] Narf! 00:13 <+Michael_V> it looks good to me 00:13 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by Remius, SnowCrash 00:14 < Randomist> I guess it is easier to use own codecs that to try to support the codecs of a shitton of operating systems. 00:15 < Randomist> * than to try 00:22 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 00:22 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth. 00:24 < Joe_> oh damn 00:24 < Joe_> my mom cancelled a 95% done 4 GB download X[ 00:24 < Joe_> fuck fuck fuck 00:24 < Randomist> Joe_: Download manager for the win. 00:25 < bsparks> download managers come built into Safari :D 00:25 < bsparks> I could start downloads from 3 months ago if I have the file still 00:25 < Randomist> Linux has the wonderful Aria2. 00:26 <+Netham45> hmm 00:26 <+Netham45> I like the action center on Windows 7 00:26 < Randomist> Or there's DTA. 00:26 <+Netham45> it's sane enough to know what issues are problems, and offers a pretty decent method for people to fix them. 00:29 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 00:29 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 00:32 < i_c-Y> first off 00:32 < i_c-Y> shut up Netham45 00:32 < i_c-Y> and who the hell is Joe 00:35 < Randomist> Joe_: Metagross. 00:35 < Randomist> * i_c-Y 00:35 < Joe_> sup i_c-Y 00:35 < i_c-Y> oh, its you 00:36 < Joe_> yeah, it's mtgrss111 00:36 < i_c-Y> i thought it was going to be someone new to pick on 00:36 < i_c-Y> damn it! 00:36 < Joe_> I'm thinking of making the change permanent 00:36 < Joe_> you can pretend I'm new, i's ok 00:36 < i_c-Y> nah, you ruined it 00:36 -!- Michael_V [michael@ip68-109-186-79.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [] 00:36 < Randomist> Michael Vick in this channel? 00:37 <+noah_> this is his new dog fighting headquaters 00:37 < Randomist> The codeword is "calculator." 00:38 <+noah_> no one will know the difference 00:38 < Randomist> The difference is fourty-two. 00:39 < Tari> oh snap 00:39 -!- PollTroll [~chavez@75-165-236-185.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #tcpa 00:39 -!- Barrett [~chavez@75-165-230-155.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:40 < i_c-Y> that PollTroll guy is a real jerk 00:42 < Randomist> The quality of Internets can make or break a guy. 00:42 < Randomist> Sex can do that, too. 00:43 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Z:8015-190D] 00:57 -!- PollTroll is now known as Barrett 01:07 -!- glk [glk@ppp-70-128-107-50.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net] has joined #tcpa 01:07 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v glk] by Remius 01:08 < Barrett> hey, if my apartment complex gets cable TV from one company, can I get cable internet from a different company? 01:09 < i_c-Y> yes 01:09 < Barrett> and the TV and internet go over the same wire? 01:09 < i_c-Y> the apartment building i live in mixes time warner / roadrunner and RCN 01:10 < i_c-Y> are you talking about getting TV from company A and internet from company B? 01:11 < Barrett> well, the apartment complex provides TV already from company A 01:11 < Barrett> company A does not provide cable internet, though 01:11 < Barrett> so I want to use comcast 01:11 < i_c-Y> probably not 01:12 < i_c-Y> depends on how its configured in your apartment 01:13 < i_c-Y> in my building, its configured in a way that you have to get everything from A or B. 01:14 < Barrett> man... the company that does our cable TV also does fiberoptic... but I highly doubt they'd do it for just me 01:14 < Barrett> (it's a small company which I think just does entire complexes) 01:18 < Barrett> heh... comcast's "finalize order" button is "start live chat" 01:19 < Barrett> convenient, 'cause I wanted to ask a question before ordering 01:19 < ports> Barrett, The other company may not be setup to provide service in your building. FCC Regulations say you can have Company A for cable, and Company B for internet. No one can stop you....but you're SOL if Company A or B says they don't provide service there. 01:20 < ports> Like the town I'm moving too.. Comcast and Charter just split the town down the middle along the main North-South road.. and each provides service on 1 side of it 01:21 -!- Donat [~Donat__@173-23-45-236.client.mchsi.com] has joined #tcpa 01:21 < Barrett> k, so as long as comcast provides service here, I'm good 01:22 < ports> yeah 01:22 < incubus> Joe_, you there 01:22 < Barrett> well, their website didn't say no... so I'm hoping... 01:22 < incubus> btw a lot of people bitch about Comcast, I have nothing but good things to say about them in my area 01:22 < incubus> Time Warner was awful 01:22 < incubus> (in comparison) 01:22 < Barrett> Charmaine is being slow, though 01:22 < ports> theres a website you can go to.. punch in your address.. and itll tell you who your provider is.. 01:22 < Barrett> (my "analyst" 01:22 <+j-b-r> Comcast's 250 GB cap is liveable 01:22 <+j-b-r> I have a 60 GB cap 01:22 <+j-b-r> >_< 01:23 < Barrett> there's a cap? 01:23 < incubus> j-b-r, no comcast? 01:23 < ports> 250gb would be great 01:23 <+j-b-r> Nationwide 01:23 < incubus> Barrett, a silent cap 01:23 < Joe_> incubus: yes? 01:23 <+j-b-r> I ignore my cap though 01:23 < incubus> You can go over 250GB but they will warn you I believe 01:23 < Barrett> does it slow my connection down? 01:23 <+j-b-r> And Cox doesn 01:23 < incubus> no 01:23 < Barrett> ah 01:23 <+j-b-r> 't do anything about it 01:23 < incubus> 250GB a month 01:23 < incubus> Joe_, Remember the pennies video? 01:23 < ports> Barrett, http://www.allconnect.com/sc-tv/television-tv.html 01:23 <+j-b-r> I am switching to verizon now though, 01:23 < Joe_> yeah? 01:23 -!- Donat [~Donat__@173-23-45-236.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:23 <+j-b-r> So I can download as much as I want 01:23 <+j-b-r> Upload, also 01:23 < incubus> Joe_, businesses are allowed to specify a limit of tender 01:23 <+j-b-r> I need to upload a lot for private trackers 01:24 < incubus> ie You can say "No bills over 20$, no more than 100 pennies" 01:24 < incubus> but it needs to be specified previously to the transaction or happening 01:24 < Joe_> I know, but that normally needs to be specified in a business's charter. 01:24 < incubus> yup 01:24 < Joe_> lol ninja'd 01:24 < incubus> Declaring that you will not accept over 100 pennies doesn't mean you are rejecting them as legal tender 01:25 < Joe_> but only if that is a set business practice. 01:25 < bsparks> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/validation 01:25 < incubus> yes 01:25 < Joe_> in other words, we both agree that you can't make it up as you go 01:25 < ports> yes 01:25 < incubus> If you don't have a sign posted or have it written down in some fashion, you are kind of set to legal tender 01:25 < incubus> Joe_, I've *heard* banks won't accept over a certain amount of pennies 01:26 < ports> incubus, that a lie 01:26 < incubus> ports, the thing is, banks are private no? 01:26 < i_c-Y> no, banks will accept all the penies you give them 01:26 < Joe_> yeah, I'm inclined to believe that. 01:26 < i_c-Y> granted, there may be a surcharge for counting them. 01:26 < ports> incubus, banks are money places. they accept it all. 01:26 < ports> i_c-Y, exactly 01:26 < incubus> ports, it doesn't mean they may in fact accept 1 million dollars worth of pennies 01:26 < incubus> I'm speculating 01:26 < ports> incubus, they will. 01:26 < incubus> you're speculating :) 01:26 < i_c-Y> they'll accept it - just that they may take a cut 01:27 < Joe_> banks will do that since they will also be willing to give you a bunch of pennies (rolled up, though) 01:27 < incubus> yes I've given rolled pennies before 01:27 < incubus> and they weight them 01:27 < incubus> weigh 01:27 < ports> incubus, no, i work with banks a lot, i know. 01:27 < incubus> but let's talk about the actual parameters of bringing in 1 million dollars worth of pennies 01:27 < incubus> they will need TRUCKS 01:27 < incubus> lots of them 01:27 < ports> incubus, they accept the money, no matter what the combination. 01:27 < Joe_> incubus: i don't think that's likely 01:28 < incubus> it happened 01:28 < Joe_> hmm :/ 01:28 < incubus> I know it happened, collect a penny, god I wish I could find the story 01:28 < i_c-Y> thats 100 million pennies, each penny weighs about 2.5 g 01:28 < incubus> a million dollars worth of donated pennies 01:28 < Joe_> I need to eat. I'm going afk guys 01:28 < i_c-Y> lets assume its post 1982 pennies 01:28 < ports> incubus, i wish they would've dropped all those pennies on your house so we wouldn't be having this stupid conversation. 01:29 < Andy_J> you'd need 12 40 ton trucks 01:29 < incubus> 551,155.655 pounds 01:29 < ports> banks will take all the pennies and convert them or deposit them... they reserve the right to charge you a fee for it also 01:29 < i_c-Y> that's 250 tonnes ish 01:30 < incubus> ports, aren't you stupid for being a participant in a stupid conversation? 01:30 -!- Donat [~Donat__@173-23-45-236.client.mchsi.com] has joined #tcpa 01:31 < Barrett> I think Charmaine is typing to me that it's not available here 01:31 < Barrett> but she (he?) is a slow typer 01:31 < incubus> I take back what I said about the million dollars worth of donated pennies, I guess that never happened 01:31 < i_c-Y> err 275 tons 01:31 < Barrett> "Charmaine(Tue Aug 4 20:24:38 MDT 2009)>I have pulled up your address in the system. At the moment, we will not be able to set up an account since the address needs to be activated by the current tenant. Not to worry we will be arranging everything for your to have your services installed. " 01:31 < i_c-Y> which is 7 trucks, not 12 01:32 < ports> i_c-Y, that calculation is most likely incorrect. 01:32 < i_c-Y> i dont know what the average amount of pre 1982 pennies is (they weigh 3.1g, not 2.5g) 01:32 < Barrett> "tenant" ? 01:32 < ports> i_c-Y, your problem will probably be volume per truck... not weight 01:32 < Barrett> does she mean "landlord"? 01:32 < ports> Barrett, probably 01:34 < Barrett> wow 01:34 < incubus> http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/08/lost-100000-tool-bag-burns-up-in-earths-atmosphere-.html 01:34 < Barrett> so I have to go to their local center 01:34 < incubus> And you thought you've made expensive mistakes 01:34 < Barrett> with my "lease of agreement, valid ID with photo and your ss card" 01:34 < ports> Barrett, they dont need your SS 01:36 < Andy_J> ports: I dunno, pennies are pretty dense. I would really expect you to run out of weight capacity first 01:36 < Andy_J> also ^ ports 01:36 < Andy_J> it's illegal to require that 01:37 < ports> Andy_J, That's why I told him to bring his social security card. 01:37 < Andy_J> which is why I ^'d you 01:37 < ports> Andy_J, What's wrong with you? 01:37 < incubus> ? 01:37 < incubus> what's wrong with you 01:37 < incubus> he upped you 01:37 < Andy_J> what's wrong with you for disagreeing with my agreeing with you? 01:37 < incubus> ports is on his period 01:38 < Andy_J> incubus: when isn't he? 01:38 < incubus> lol 01:38 < ports> the pre-1982 pennies have a density of 8.6g/cc 01:38 < incubus> pure copper right? 01:38 < ports> post 1982 are 6.94g/cc 01:38 < ports> incubus, no.. 01:38 <+j-b-r> Woah 01:38 <+j-b-r> That is freaky 01:38 <+j-b-r> The weight changed 01:38 < incubus> I know post 1982 are Zinc Copper alloys 01:39 < ports> Well, an interesting change took place in 1982. Prior to that year, pennies were 95% Copper and 5% zinc. After 1982 the composition became 97.6% zinc and 2.4% copper. 01:39 <+j-b-r> I am going to go get a bunch of pre82 pennies and try to get someone to trade me an equal weight of random pennies 01:39 < incubus> Copper — Density: 8.96 01:39 < incubus> Close enough 01:40 < ports> Is that right?.. 01:40 < incubus> ? what 01:40 < ports> modern pennies are more zinc.. ? 01:40 < incubus> yes 01:40 < incubus> copper is very expensive 01:40 < ports> incubus, really? 01:40 < incubus> hell yes 01:40 < incubus> ever heard of people stealing copper pipes/wiring? 01:40 < ports> incubus, go figure.. 01:41 < bsparks> ports, copper sells for the kind of money that makes people want to replace all the pipes in their house with PVC and CPVC 01:41 < ports> incubus, I was being sarcastic. I've bought copper wire in 2 ton spools before. 01:41 < incubus> 4,000$ a ton? 01:41 < incubus> ports, sarcasm doesn't do well over the internet 01:41 < incubus> try *really*? or something next time 01:41 < ports> orly? 01:41 < ports> :P 01:41 < incubus> or that 01:44 < Andy_J> yarly 01:45 < ports> anyways.. 1 standard dump truck holds approximately, 5 cubic yards of material.. using modern penny specs.. thats 29.2 tons per truck. 01:46 < BrandonW> This looks like more than just checking up on bots. 01:46 < incubus> hi BrandonW 01:48 < ports> BrandonW, did you find your motherboard in stock anywhere? 01:51 < ports> yay ryan reynolds 01:52 < mokomull> yay migrating to a new laptop hard drive 01:53 < i_c-Y> mokomull: what software package are you using? 01:53 < mokomull> rsync 01:54 < mokomull> it's Linux, so I can just move all the files, reinstall grub, edit anywhere that has UUID= for the old drive, and done 01:55 < Joe_> back 01:55 < Joe_> have any intelligent conversations started? 01:57 < Joe_> Does anyone here NOT have ops? 01:57 < Joe_> I don't. 01:58 < Joe_> You can change the topic nao 02:02 < i_c-Y> !k Joe_ bold 02:02 -!- Joe_ was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [i_c-Y: bold] 02:02 < incubus> BrandonW, ? 02:03 -!- Joe_ [Joe@c-98-200-31-25.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 02:04 -!- Spengwork [~asdf@pool-71-111-128-29.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: <3] 02:12 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@bonkedbyascout.com] has joined #tcpa 02:12 <@efneTI92> [Netham45] Narf! 02:12 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by efneTI86 02:13 <+glk> I hear Obama is paying $4000 to turn in clunker computers 02:23 -!- Merth [~Shaun@140.141.36.207] has joined #tcpa 02:26 -!- Spengo [~Spengo@pool-71-111-177-215.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 02:28 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.36.207] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 02:41 < BrandonW> ports, it's a crappy motherboard, I really don't care if it's in stock anywhere. 02:41 < BrandonW> I'm just pissed that they didn't tell me it was out of stock. 02:41 < BrandonW> When I ordered it. 02:43 < Spengo> trackmania is half off until the 10th 02:43 < Spengo> don't know if want 02:49 < BrandonW> Who sees what's wrong with this? http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8551/50369260.jpg 02:52 < bsparks> it's a socket 478 03:01 < mokomull> did they even MAKE socket 478 mobos with PCI Express? 03:01 < mokomull> ... I'm retarded, I know someone who owns one 03:02 -!- likeWOAH [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 03:02 <@efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth. 03:02 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:02 -!- likeWOAH is now known as i_c-Y 03:06 < ports> mokomull, sort of 03:07 < ports> mokomull, a few were released before lga775 took over 03:08 < ports> when i had to replace my socket 478 board.. i had to pay for an overpriced 478 with agp... because they were already so rare.. and that was over 3 years ago... 03:11 < ports> thats also ridiculously expensive i bet.. pci-e and agp 03:25 < ports> thunder! 03:28 -!- Donat [~Donat__@173-23-45-236.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:33 -!- Barrett [~chavez@75-165-236-185.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 620 seconds] 03:33 -!- Barrett [~chavez@75-165-242-202.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #tcpa 03:34 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: i dont see anything wrong with it other than that it sucks compared to newer parts. 03:35 < i_c-Y> people have made boards with both agp and pci-e multiple times with the idea that people will just upgrade their graphics card when they have more money 03:35 < i_c-Y> asrock does this alot (as does ecs) - they both did it for ddr -> ddr2, i think asus did it too, and i think asus also has a ddr2 -> ddr3 (as does asrock probably) 03:36 < i_c-Y> though, its not as absurd as the ECS PF88 (that is a board that should have never been made) 03:42 -!- Barrett [~chavez@75-165-242-202.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 492 seconds] 03:42 -!- ryantmer [~Ryan@dhcp185-155.theedge.ca] has quit [Quit: www.ryantmer.com] 03:42 < i_c-Y> (nobody wants to hear about the ECS PF88? ) 03:43 < bsparks> no 03:43 < bsparks> I'd rather watch incubus, BrandonW, and MV talk for an hour 03:44 -!- Barrett [~chavez@75-165-233-129.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #tcpa 03:44 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@CPE-70-92-241-13.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 03:44 <@efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing. 03:45 < i_c-Y> yeah well screw you 03:46 -!- ryantmer [~Ryan@dhcp185-155.theedge.ca] has joined #tcpa 03:47 -!- ryantmer [~Ryan@dhcp185-155.theedge.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 03:48 < Merth> i_c-Y: tell me about the ECS PF88 03:50 < incubus> bsparks, about calculators? :D 03:50 < i_c-Y> So, the guys at ECS in about 2005 decided that they'd make a pentium 4 board 03:51 < i_c-Y> so, they take a sis chipset, add all the standard stuff , add a pci-e x16 port 03:51 < i_c-Y> and something slightly unusual (but not absurdly uncommon) - they put slots for ddr and ddr2 03:51 < i_c-Y> so people could switch when the other got cheaper 03:51 < incubus> i_c-Y, why aren't you in #math 03:52 < i_c-Y> i am. 03:52 < i_c-Y> anyhow, thats not the strange part 03:52 < incubus> you know you just joined 03:52 < i_c-Y> it sounds like a fairly normal board so far 03:52 < i_c-Y> i joined almost an hour ago 03:52 < i_c-Y> anyway 03:52 < incubus> nm I didn't realize I wasn't in it 03:52 < incubus> ANYWAY 03:52 < i_c-Y> so the strange part of the board is what you see when you look below the PCI-E slot 03:53 -!- ryantmer [~Ryan@dhcp185-155.theedge.ca] has joined #tcpa 03:53 < i_c-Y> you see something totally weird - its not a PCI-E slot, its not an ISA slot, its not a PCI slot, etc. 03:53 < i_c-Y> its called an Elite Bus slot 03:53 < i_c-Y> and it was designed by ECS. 03:53 < incubus> lo 03:53 < incubus> lol** 03:53 < bsparks> Ok, _now_ I'm interested 03:53 < i_c-Y> so, you might ask, what is this Elite Bus? 03:53 < i_c-Y> well, they made these cards called SIMA cards (don't really care whta it stands for) 03:54 < i_c-Y> so you can stick a different processor in other than the pentium 4 03:54 < i_c-Y> so, you buy the board 03:54 < i_c-Y> you buy the appropriate SIMA card 03:54 < i_c-Y> and you stick it in the board 03:54 < bsparks> i_c-Y, a proc daughter card? 03:54 < i_c-Y> and lo and behold, you can put in a pentium M, AMD s754 and s939 03:55 < incubus> k. 03:55 < incubus> kind of cool 03:55 < i_c-Y> and that's messed up. 03:55 < incubus> have you guys seen this btw? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU 03:56 < i_c-Y> so essentially, when you put this card in, it just blocks the shit out of everything else 03:57 < i_c-Y> the end 03:57 < i_c-Y> it doesnt sound cool to mac users 03:57 < incubus> lol 03:57 < bsparks> sounds friggin sweet to me 04:00 < TheStorm> i_c-Y, isn't that what mac's did with their PPC setups? 04:00 < bsparks> TheStorm, not at all :( 04:00 < TheStorm> that doesn't sond like anything new to me 04:00 < i_c-Y> ASRock did something kinda like this with the 939 socket but with careful selection of parts its just switching a few wires essentaily 04:01 < bsparks> looks like that PF88 has an onboard proc, and supports a proc daughter card, PPC macs just had proc daughter cards, no onboard procs 04:01 < i_c-Y> read more about it online somewhere 04:01 < i_c-Y> Sun used to do a SPARC with a x86 daughter card which was cooler 04:01 < bsparks> definately 04:01 < TheStorm> ahh so you can do dual or single proc 04:02 < i_c-Y> i think someone (id like to say chronomex ) owned one 04:02 < bsparks> TheStorm, no 04:02 < bsparks> Single proc 04:02 < TheStorm> or does the daughter card just get used instead? 04:02 < bsparks> daughter card gets used instead 04:02 < i_c-Y> you can pick - stick both of em in, and flip a switch or something 04:03 < bsparks> yeah, looks like there is a jumper there, prolly a BIOS setting too 04:03 < i_c-Y> i dont really remember if that chipset had the ability to work for AMD and Intel which might have made it a bit simpler (though still nontrivial to support the Pentium M ontop of that) 04:08 < ryantmer> incubus, I lolled at that youtube video. Rather loudly. 04:09 -!- Joe_ [Joe@c-98-200-31-25.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 04:10 < i_c-Y> everytime i see that video i feel like killing someone 04:11 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@bonkedbyascout.com] has quit [Quit: Z:8015-190D] 04:15 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 04:15 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by etaonrish 04:16 -!- Peter_W [CalcKing@dialup1736.wnskvtao.sover.net] has joined #tcpa 04:16 < Peter_W> Attack! Attack!!! 04:16 -!- Spengo\__ [~Spengo@pool-71-111-177-215.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 04:16 < Peter_W> Spengo\__! :P 04:16 < Spengo\__> sup 04:17 < Peter_W> ..yes, attack Spengo. That'll do. 04:17 < Spengo\__> if you attack me I will stab you with bullets 04:17 < Peter_W> lol 04:24 -!- mtgrss111 [~not@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 04:25 < mtgrss111> sup peoples 04:25 < mtgrss111> and Netham45 04:25 < Peter_W> sup monkeys?! 04:25 < mtgrss111> and Nikky 04:25 < Peter_W> hah 04:25 < Peter_W> how would you classify them? 04:25 < mtgrss111> and noah_ 04:25 < i_c-Y> shut up, Peter_W 04:25 < mtgrss111> and nicolas 04:25 < i_c-Y> dialup users don't get to talk 04:25 -!- Tahben [~Tahdig@ip70-162-174-179.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #tcpa 04:25 < Peter_W> Hi i_c-Y... I see you're cheerful as always -_- 04:25 < mtgrss111> Peter_W: people with "n" names. duh. 04:26 < mtgrss111> btw, who are you again? 04:26 -!- mtgrss111 is now known as Joe_ 04:26 < Peter_W> Someone who hasn't been on IRC in months :) 04:26 < Joe_> my TCPA one year anniverary is coming up. 04:26 < Joe_> yay 04:26 < Peter_W> Really years if you consider a reasonable minimum bound for participation 04:27 < Peter_W> Yeah, I don't recognize you at all, Joe_ :P 04:27 < Joe_> eh, I'm new, and only learning about calculators 04:27 < Peter_W> ~2004-> for me 04:27 < Joe_> hell, still in high school 04:28 < Joe_> spent like 6 months with omnimaga before i finally got banned for good. 04:28 -!- Merth [~Shaun@140.141.36.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 384 seconds] 04:35 < Joe_> !qfind bot 04:35 <+Netham45> !q 04:35 <@efneTI86> 1358: maybe linux isnt so great on linux, but on windows, it reigns supreme [Added: chronomex at 2008/09/07 21:53] 04:35 < Joe_> I think my quote privileges were revoked :/ 04:36 < Peter_W> !qfind bot 04:36 <@efneTI86> 1079:DarkAuron: If you smacked a kid in the face with a bottle of Johnson's No More Tears, would it create beautiful irony? | I say we just smack Merthsoft. | :( | * Merthsoft has quit IRC 04:36 <@efneTI86> 203:seidior: so does #how_to_kill_yourself_in_5_easy_steps just have bots? I would assume all of the people in there would have followed the 5 easy steps by now 04:36 <+Netham45> I think the bots don't recognize you, Joe_. 04:36 <@efneTI86> 531:Ox40: * +_AnyKey_ wishes we had a bot that kicked for cussing | <+DrDnar> We do, it's called "Michael_V" 04:36 <@efneTI86> (Plus 30 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=bot&channel=tcpa&search=search) 04:36 < Joe_> hmm 04:36 -!- Joe_ is now known as mtgrss111 04:36 < mtgrss111> !q 04:36 < Peter_W> that won't change anything 04:37 <+Netham45> now you need to /msg ident 04:37 < Peter_W> did you ever set a pass on the bots? 04:37 < Peter_W> aye 04:37 < mtgrss111> i did once, i think 04:37 < Peter_W> efneTI86 says you were last seen Jul 20 04:37 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v mtgrss111] by efneTI86 04:37 <+mtgrss111> woo 04:37 < Peter_W> there you go 04:38 <+mtgrss111> i had a different hostmark then, i guess 04:38 <+mtgrss111> !qfind glk a bot 04:38 <@efneTI86> No matches 04:38 <+mtgrss111> hmm :/ 04:38 <+mtgrss111> !qfind glk 04:38 <@efneTI86> 1001:DSP_Lord: I wish my 89 was more like my 84+ | then I could have sex with it twice | glk will kill you while you sleep now 04:38 <@efneTI86> 1511:netham45: glk is a robot, if you hadn't noticed. | Tin men have rights too 04:38 < Peter_W> "[23:27:46] -efneTI86- [mtgrss111] Last seen at Jul 20 23:16 on #tcpa" "[23:28:22] -efneTI86- [mtgrss111] Now on channel: #tcpa." :P 04:38 <@efneTI86> 1533:chronomex: I am old and very wise. | <_Digital> and get confused for a bot sometimes 04:38 <@efneTI86> (Plus 12 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=glk&channel=tcpa&search=search) 04:38 <+mtgrss111> there we go. 04:39 <+Netham45> !q 04:39 <@efneTI86> 563: <[cdi]> my Batt Backup lasts for 5 hours <_Digital> [cdi] we don't all have 50 car batteries sitting under our beds [Added: DarkAuron at 2006/06/22 00:07] 04:39 <+mtgrss111> quotes i was looking for 04:39 < Peter_W> lol 04:39 <+Netham45> !seen patz2009 04:39 <@efneTI86> patz2009 (~patrick@c-69-247-152-128.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) was last seen parting #tcpa 1 day, 22 hours, 58 minutes ago stating "{}". 04:39 <+mtgrss111> you'll find very few quotes with me in them. I haven't been in them long and several were deleted 04:39 <+Netham45> lagbot lags. 04:39 <+Netham45> !qfind netham45 04:39 <@efneTI86> 1093:Nikky: I am a furfag. :( 04:39 <@efneTI86> 933:slythe: !k Netham45 | *** gravsys (gravsys@66-188-115-26.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) has quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer 04:39 <+Netham45> You'll find too many with me. 04:40 <@efneTI86> 1124:aardvarq: why must I be the gunie pig? | cause your fuzzy and cuddly and coo when I get the food bag out 04:40 <@efneTI86> (Plus 84 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=netham45&channel=tcpa&search=search) 04:40 <+mtgrss111> !qfind Peter_W 04:40 <@efneTI86> 172:Peter_W: sense is in the eye of the beholder | [08:54:03 PM] RandomMan: base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base base <- please explain, oh beholder, how that makes sense | phrenia: It's a repeater! | Call SETI! | We've found extraterrestrial life! 04:40 <@efneTI86> 441:DrDnar: qwertyuiop | asdfghjkl | zxcvbnm | Now we know our q w r's, next time won't you type with me? 04:40 <@efneTI86> 147:kms375: [09:50:19] Kevin may be coming [09:50:24] * Kevin_O (~omnimaga@modemcable179.214-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #tcpa 04:40 <@efneTI86> (Plus 21 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=Peter_W&channel=tcpa&search=search) 04:41 <+mtgrss111> lol 04:42 < Peter_W> oh hey, a quote of me >_> 04:43 < Peter_W> oh, you did a search, blah :P 04:43 <+mtgrss111> :P 04:43 < Peter_W> Yes, I was here way back when <_< 04:43 <+mtgrss111> searching other people is my purpose 04:43 <+mtgrss111> or it isn't, really. 04:44 <+mtgrss111> not being bored is my purpose 04:44 < Peter_W> poor ops being confused with bots: 04:44 < Peter_W> !qsay 168 04:44 <@efneTI86> 168: Merthsoft: /msg help | /msg ? | yes... | I am not a bot. | my bad i just looked over, and saw the first name with an @ next to it... | hahahahahahaha [Added Peter_W at 2005/07/15 16:41] 04:45 < Peter_W> !seen asim 04:45 <@efneTI86> asim (~nicholas@c-98-207-80-64.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) was last seen quitting from #ti 204 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes ago stating (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:45 < Peter_W> =/ 04:48 <+mtgrss111> Kevin logged in the other day, didn't you know? 04:50 < E-J> morning 04:50 <+mtgrss111> ugh, not for me 04:50 -!- Tahben [~Tahdig@ip70-162-174-179.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.13/2009073022]] 04:50 -!- JoelS [~JSeligste@1601br1-egress-1.corp.tfbnw.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:51 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@CPE-70-92-241-13.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:52 < Peter_W> I thought Kevin was never coming back 04:54 < E-J> which kevin? 04:54 < Peter_W> didn't know there was more than one 04:55 <+mtgrss111> you were thinking of the right kevin 04:55 < bsparks> damn :( Merthsoft won 04:55 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@CPE-70-92-241-13.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 04:55 < bsparks> he _was_ quoted before I was lol 04:56 < i_c-Y> i think there are 3 kevins in the ticalc community, kkk, kevin o, and i can't remember the last one 04:56 < i_c-Y> and they're all douchebags 04:56 < Andy_J> i_c-Y: ox40 04:56 < bsparks> god damnit 04:56 < bsparks> I was right >.< 04:57 < E-J> who is also kevin k 04:57 < bsparks> !qsay 270 04:57 <@efneTI86> 270: you see... Dantes is negitive... and I don't like negitive things... (I cry when I get a negitive number for a math problem... (so help me god if this is one of my random quotes for #tcpa stats...)) [Added Merthsoft at 2005/09/03 16:04] 04:57 < bsparks> look at who added it >.< 04:58 < E-J> !qfind bsparks 04:58 <@efneTI86> No matches 04:58 < E-J> !qfind cdi 04:58 <@efneTI86> 534:froody: [17:20] *** Michael_V has joined #tcpa | [17:20] *** efneTI85 sets mode +v on Michael_V | [17:20] <[cdi]> ah! RUN! | [17:20] *** Michael_V has quit (Client Quit) 04:58 <+mtgrss111> !qfind cdi 04:58 <@efneTI86> 477:Andy_J: [14:34:17] <+[cdi]> !seen DarkAuron | <@Remius> DarkAuron [...] was last seen quitting from #tcpa 11 hours, 11 minutes ago [...] | [14:34:42] * DarkAuron [...] has joined #tcpa 04:58 <@efneTI86> 286:Merthsoft: CDI_: A wise man who does not like to be in channels full of spam does not fill the channels he is in with spam. 04:58 <@efneTI86> (Plus 20 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=cdi&channel=tcpa&search=search) 04:58 <@efneTI86> 563:DarkAuron: <[cdi]> my Batt Backup lasts for 5 hours <_Digital> [cdi] we don't all have 50 car batteries sitting under our beds 04:58 <@efneTI86> 291:kms375: DO NOT CLICK THE FOLLOWING LINK http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php gotcha *click* * CDI_ has quit (Quit: http://chat.efnet.org/ (EOF)) o.o haha! the link broke him! looks like it 04:58 <@efneTI86> 477:Andy_J: [14:34:17] <+[cdi]> !seen DarkAuron | <@Remius> DarkAuron [...] was last seen quitting from #tcpa 11 hours, 11 minutes ago [...] | [14:34:42] * DarkAuron [...] has joined #tcpa 04:58 <@efneTI86> (Plus 20 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=cdi&channel=tcpa&search=search) 04:58 < bsparks> !qfind froody 04:58 <@efneTI86> 445:froody: +[froody] hasn't even had his first kiss :( | [froody]: that would be along the way to first base, or at first base, I think | <+[froody]> Andy_J: oh? well... what about talking about sex with a girl? where's that? | That would be third. | You're too young to know what a home run is. 04:58 <@efneTI86> 333:aardvarq: <|FT|tatto> is it possible to downgrade a ti89? | <[froody]> |FT|tatto: to what? | TI-87 04:58 <@efneTI86> 322:DarkAuron: <+[froody]> WHY ISN'T PEOPLE TALKING <+[froody]> err... <+[froody]> WHY ARN'T THERE NO PEOPLE TALKING <+[froody]> ... <+[froody]> WHY ARE THERE NO PROPLE TALKING <+[froody]> ... <+[froody]> WHY ARE THERE NO PEOPLE TAKLINH ... * [froody] can't speel today <+[froody]> I give up <+[froody]> I'm going to bed will we ever know what he meant to say? stay tuned for the next #tcpa! 04:58 <@efneTI86> (Plus 4 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=froody&channel=tcpa&search=search) 04:59 < bsparks> anywhos 04:59 < bsparks> there's prolly a few for other nicks too 05:00 <+mtgrss111> !qfind me 05:00 <@efneTI86> 995:i_c-Y: the NSA has a flash site too.. | a flash site? | like chicks flashing their boobs? | like macromedia flash | i_c-Y: your idea is called New Orleans at Mardi Gras 05:00 <+mtgrss111> err 05:00 <@efneTI86> 332:Nikky_S: I was scared for a few secs, I though exploder.exe crashed | explorer.exe perhaps? :D | yeah | same thing 05:00 <+mtgrss111> not what i menat 05:00 <@efneTI86> 167:kms375: [21:57] I remembrr 3 days ago when I got 5 netsplit in a row [21:58] * Kevin_O (~omnimaga@modemcable179.214-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (hub.efnet.us irc.Prison.NET) 05:00 <+mtgrss111> *meant 05:00 <@efneTI86> (Plus 519 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=me&channel=tcpa&search=search) 05:00 < bsparks> lulz 05:01 < E-J> mtgrss111: try !qfind allows 05:01 <+mtgrss111> ? 05:01 <+mtgrss111> !qfind allows 05:01 <@efneTI86> 1598:E-JL: This quote allows anyone to kick person who just !q:ed 05:01 <@efneTI86> (All of 1 match) 05:01 <+mtgrss111> i hate you 05:01 < E-J> :) 05:01 -!- Spengo\__ [~Spengo@pool-71-111-177-215.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 556 seconds] 05:02 < bsparks> 14 more quotes as Zeromus, wow 05:02 <+mtgrss111> !qfind mtgrss111 05:02 <@efneTI86> 1609:MetalRand: your mom sucks | balls | For a buck 05:02 <@efneTI86> 1518:DarkAuron: * _Auron_ is in 9 channels on 5 networks | 7 on 3 | 7 on 3 | 3 on 7 | o_O | 12 on 5 | wait | this isn't sex | Speler | wat? | What are we talkin bout? | not sex 05:02 <@efneTI86> 1581:mtgrss111: "Netham45: I, too, have wanted to ban him. He's been an asshole since he first joined." (in reference to mtgrss111) 05:02 <@efneTI86> (Plus 5 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=mtgrss111&channel=tcpa&search=search) 05:03 < bsparks> !qsay 908 05:03 <@efneTI86> 908: Zeromus, I think the main reason Nikky pisses me off is that we cybered, and now it's just akward [Added Nikky at 2007/04/08 02:16] 05:03 <+mtgrss111> cybered? 05:03 -!- millinao [~millinao@c-76-27-205-29.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 05:03 < E-J> one more !qsay or !qfind and ... 05:04 <+mtgrss111> he runs exploder.exe 05:04 < bsparks> but, 1005 is awesome 05:04 < Peter_W> !k * !q abuse 05:04 <+mtgrss111> I'll risk it 05:04 < bsparks> it involves Andy_J in a rare moment 05:04 <+mtgrss111> !qsay 1005 05:04 <@efneTI86> 1005: OMG Andy__J with an accent :P | wtf that was not an accent | if that was not an accent then I am james earl jones | OMG ITS TEH DARTH VADER [Added DSP_Lord at 2007/08/26 22:55] 05:04 < E-J> !k mtgrss111 05:04 -!- mtgrss111 was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [E-JL] 05:04 < Randomist> Fire in the hole. 05:04 < Andy_J> uhm what 05:05 < Andy_J> was that in toronto? 05:05 < bsparks> Andy_J, damn spiffy 05:05 < bsparks> and you had an accent >_> 05:05 < Andy_J> I do not remember this 05:05 < Peter_W> lol 05:05 < E-J> maybe you were drunk 05:05 < bsparks> I think it was on the way back actually 05:06 < bsparks> DUDE! We should sooooo go back up there and find that restaurant near that hotel. That shit was awesome 05:06 < DSP_Lord> but, 1005 is awesome 05:06 < DSP_Lord> it is. 05:06 < DSP_Lord> i somewhat remember laughing my ass off in response to seeing that. 05:07 < ports> zoom zoom zoom 05:07 -!- mtgrss111 [~not@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 05:07 < ports> that was a great marketing thing from Mazda 05:07 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v mtgrss111] by efneTI92 05:07 < DSP_Lord> Andy_J: yeah, that was around the UPOCOA time. 05:07 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 05:07 < bsparks> wait, I was quoted, wtf o.0 05:08 < ports> is Zeromus gone? 05:08 < bsparks> hmm, 9 times, between 1380 and 1626 05:08 < bsparks> ports, yeah 05:08 < DSP_Lord> <_< 05:09 < ports> damn 05:10 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 380 seconds] 05:11 -!- Randomist [~winterven@cdm-75-109-109-35.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: My open-source music and art. http://wintervenom.mine.nu] 05:12 < Peter_W> wow E-J, 12 hours? 05:12 < E-J> yes 05:12 < Peter_W> you must have been tired 05:12 < E-J> yes 05:13 < E-J> 2 days with less than 6 hours per night sleep, so yesterday i went to sleep at 18:30 05:14 < bsparks> Peter_W, it's odd, I was just talking about you on saturday too 05:14 < E-J> and woke up 6:30 when alarm clock alarmed 05:16 < Peter_W> hah, how'd that come up, bsparks? 05:17 < bsparks> Peter_W, I mentioned wanting to get a calc signed by all the legendary calc coders, and Merthsoft mentioned the term "Calc Kings" and I was like, hey, I could get it signed by _the_ self-proclaimed calc king 05:17 < Peter_W> ahh 05:17 < Peter_W> yeah, CalcKing, my nickname based on King, the name I used in RTS games >_> 05:18 < Peter_W> that choice has made me so self-conscious over the years... 05:18 < bsparks> hah 05:18 < Peter_W> that was never a multiplayer gamer tag or anything, just a local profile name 05:26 < E-J> MooKing? 05:28 < Tari> [Foo]King 05:30 <+Netham45> fucking bluetooth 05:30 <+Netham45> Now 05:30 <+Netham45> er 05:31 <+mtgrss111> sup Netham45 05:31 <+Netham45> Now I have this nice little link, 'My Bluetooth Places', and every time I click it, Explorer.exe crashes. 05:31 <+mtgrss111> Exploder.exe 05:31 <+mtgrss111> haha, I love that. 05:31 < Tari> beat me to it :( 05:31 <+Netham45> ooh, it also crashes if I mouse over it for 20 seconds. 05:31 <+mtgrss111> I gotta tease Kevin a little about it later 05:32 < millinao> my bluetooth places is slow as hell/crashes too 05:33 < millinao> everytime I use bluetooth I have to troubleshoot the same problem 05:33 <+Netham45> well, I used the Vista drivers on the CD 05:33 <+Netham45> So I'm hoping the ones Windows 7 downloaded might work a bit better 05:34 <+mtgrss111> whoa, where did Win7 get all this info for my usb devices :O 05:34 <+mtgrss111> that's a rather hi-res picture 05:34 < Peter_W> Device Stage? heh 05:35 <+mtgrss111> lol, even tells me the pattery level to two decimal places 05:35 <+mtgrss111> er 05:35 <+mtgrss111> battery 05:35 < Peter_W> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7#Devices 05:35 < Tari> my battery is fully charged.. on my desktop 05:35 <+Netham45> My desktop has a battery too. 05:36 <+Netham45> says I have 16 minutes on it, if I unplug, too. 05:36 <+mtgrss111> no, the battery of a usb device 05:36 < Tari> curse you 05:36 < Tari> now I want to unplug my system to see what happens 05:36 <+Netham45> I'd suggest unplugging the wall-end of your UPS, not your system itself. 05:36 <+Netham45> :) 05:37 < millinao> ooh that devices thing is pretty neat 05:37 <+mtgrss111> I wasn't even online with it yet and it had the hi-res image 05:37 -!- JoelS [~JSeligste@c-67-180-86-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 05:38 < Peter_W> yeah, it has a lot built in 05:38 <+Netham45> What did you think your c:\windows folder was 9 GB of? 05:38 <+mtgrss111> dunno 05:38 <+mtgrss111> haven't sifted through it yet 05:38 <+Netham45> lol 05:38 <+Netham45> It's really freaky when you plug in an old jump drive, and it knows where the scratches on the case of it are. 05:39 <+mtgrss111> spent all damn day trying to find miracle drivers that don't exist 05:39 <+Netham45> drivers for what? 05:39 < Peter_W> erm o.O 05:39 <+mtgrss111> graphics card 05:39 < millinao> drivers for a car 05:39 < millinao> idiot 05:39 <+mtgrss111> i have windows 7 on this old-ass machine 05:39 <+Netham45> mtgrss111, you can use Vista GPU drivers too 05:40 <+Netham45> performance is degraded quite a bit, though. 05:40 <+mtgrss111> they don't exist either 05:40 <+Netham45> oh 05:40 <+Netham45> you can use XP ones too 05:40 <+mtgrss111> I don't think this machine was built for anything beyond 2000 05:40 <+Netham45> shit, I think you can use Windows 2000 drivers, but you might have to tweak the .inf files. 05:40 < millinao> i have an old machine running windows 95, should I put win7 on it 05:40 <+Netham45> millinao, I doubt it'd even start install on a computer designed for Windows 95 05:41 <+Netham45> it won't start with <512 MB of RAM 05:41 <+mtgrss111> well, its all worthless because win7 acknowledges the card as some stardard VGA thing. 05:41 <+mtgrss111> It's so damn convinced it's right that I can't do a single thing about it. 05:41 <+Netham45> Well, you're probabally not gaming on such an old computer, so up-to-date drivers probabally aren't really needed. 05:41 < millinao> well, the question is do I want to make the jump from DOS? 05:42 <+mtgrss111> maybe, but I at least wanted to get project 64 to work :/ 05:42 <+Netham45> millinao, DOS WAS nice, but we have better alternatives now. 05:42 -!- Barrett [~chavez@75-165-233-129.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [] 05:42 <+Netham45> I have Project64 on my laptop. 05:42 <+mtgrss111> me too 05:45 <+mtgrss111> I'm gonna put Debian on here to see if I can at least get proper graphic drivers working on that 05:45 < bsparks> Only a band like Incubus could go on for an entire song with the words "You" "In" "Are" "Oooh" "It's" "When" "Everyone" "Easier" "Much" "So" "Is" and "Better". For the entire song, just those words lol 05:46 <+Netham45> "You are in, It's so much earier when everyone is so much better, Oooh" 05:46 <+mtgrss111> When you are so much easier in everyone, oooh It's better 05:46 <+mtgrss111> argh, Netham45 said it best 05:47 < bsparks> "It's so much easier" "when everyone is in" "are you in" "oooh oooh" 05:47 < bsparks> I never said they didn't reuse words >.> 05:48 <+mtgrss111> You are easier when everyone is better 05:49 < Peter_W> O.o 05:49 <+mtgrss111> I think the hardest part of making an RPG used to be appropriately naming the characters 05:49 <+mtgrss111> but then I decided "fuck it" and went online and used a random name genrator. 05:49 <+mtgrss111> generator 05:50 <+mtgrss111> Named some 11-year old girl Ivanova Hotrod 05:50 <+mtgrss111> poor kid 05:51 < Peter_W> uh, wow 05:52 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 05:52 <+mtgrss111> Russian Transformer, that she is. 05:52 <+mtgrss111> I can't wait till I finish this spriting work for pokemon 05:53 <+Netham45> WOOO 05:53 <+Netham45> Daily Show on Hulu 05:55 -!- ryantmer [~Ryan@dhcp185-155.theedge.ca] has quit [Quit: www.ryantmer.com] 05:56 < millinao> making an RPG 05:56 < millinao> ? 05:57 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:07 < sir_lewk> wow, lame xkcd is lame 06:07 < sir_lewk> flash video sucking ass is hardly a kernel issue and he should know that 06:08 < sir_lewk> if it were a kernel issue, shit like mplayer would be slow too... 06:09 < Spengo> I hardly ever read that anymore 06:09 < Spengo> I decided all webcomics are lame and unfunny 06:09 < sir_lewk> aww, some are very good 06:09 < Spengo> except for a few select pages that I will inevitably be linked to 06:09 < sir_lewk> although not nessesarily humorous 06:09 < sir_lewk> nah, go find them yourself loser :P 06:09 < Spengo> drama webcomics suck 06:10 < sir_lewk> I prefer artistic ones 06:10 < Spengo> perry bible fellowship? 06:10 < Tari> doctor mcninja? 06:10 < Spengo> meh 06:11 < sir_lewk> stuff like Rice Boy 06:14 < sir_lewk> the secret knots is also good 06:18 -!- Spengo [~Spengo@pool-71-111-177-215.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [♥] 06:18 < Peter_W> hah, nice quit message. 06:19 < sir_lewk> lol 06:22 < sir_lewk> so, I go to 7-11 today 06:22 < sir_lewk> I get two marshmellow bars, an arizona tea, and a box of cookies 06:22 < sir_lewk> total: $6.66 06:23 < sir_lewk> cashier minorly freaked out :) 06:25 < BrandonW> i_c-Y: uh, no. The problem with the image was that I was looking at a page of Socket 775 boards, but that was a Socket 478 motherboard. 06:31 -!- Tyler2 [nexon@76.67.246.125] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:34 <+mtgrss111> sir_lewk: he was low on change 06:35 <+mtgrss111> he ought to ask that one guy for pennies, eh incubus? 06:35 <+mtgrss111> Brandon!: I read that a Soviet for some reason 06:44 -!- blankie [~myname@d207-6-186-113.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:45 -!- blankie [~myname@d207-6-186-113.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #tcpa 06:53 < BrandonW> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=8899&st=0&#entry135207 Anyone deeply motivated with factoring the 0A key and knows how the tools work or want to read on how to make them work, read this. 06:53 < BrandonW> This is the source of the public effort. 06:53 < Peter_W> Hah, the BrandonW speaks 06:54 < Peter_W> Just as I finish reading the forum frenzy about the OS key 06:54 < BrandonW> I'll probably devote my own cycles to what the community percieves as a less important key. 06:54 < BrandonW> Like the date stamp key. 06:55 < BrandonW> Whichever is going to let us make certificate updates without hacks. 06:57 < BrandonW> Which would get us to the same goal, as well as others. 06:58 < Peter_W> I wonder if anyone at TI knows/cares about any of this yet 06:58 < BrandonW> I'm sure they know. 07:00 < BrandonW> Apparently they don't care. 07:00 < BrandonW> There is no stopping this, that's for sure. All they could do is stop public discussion of it. 07:00 < Peter_W> Aye... 07:01 < BrandonW> They might even stop Free83P and the signing tools. 07:01 < BrandonW> But we would just willingly sign for people. 07:01 < BrandonW> Send me your file, and I'll sign it! 07:01 < BrandonW> And the like. 07:01 < BrandonW> Nothing illegal about having a validation block in your 8XU that just happens to work. :) 07:02 < Peter_W> :P 07:07 < BrandonW> If they shut it down, any one of us could factor all the keys in a reasonable amount of time. 07:07 < BrandonW> It's just a matter of patience. 07:17 < BrandonW> You know, I have Sirius. Had it for months. 07:17 < BrandonW> Still can't sign into the stupid web site. 07:17 < BrandonW> It has this ridiculous captcha-kinda check. 07:17 < BrandonW> And it never lets me change my password. 07:17 < BrandonW> So I can never get either right. 07:18 < BrandonW> I think those image checks should be case-insensitive. 07:18 < BrandonW> And ignore whitespace. 07:18 < BrandonW> And it locks you out for at least 15 minutes if you guess wrong 3 times I think. 07:19 < millinao> how bad are the captchas? 07:20 < BrandonW> They're not bad but I think it's broken or something. 07:20 < BrandonW> It always says I'm wrong. 07:21 < BrandonW> "Our site is unable to continue with your transaction at this time." when I try to get my password. 07:21 < BrandonW> I fucking hate these people. 07:21 < BrandonW> I'm thinking of cancelling my account out of spite. 07:21 < millinao> does it have an audio alternative? 07:21 < BrandonW> What do you mean by that? 07:21 < BrandonW> I have a tuner in my car, but I'm not bringing that in here. 07:22 < millinao> some captchas have alternatives where you hear garbled speech and type what it says 07:22 < millinao> such as http://recaptcha.net/learnmore.html 07:22 < millinao> well it's not always garbled 07:23 < BrandonW> Yeah, but it still doesn't help. 07:23 < BrandonW> I can get it right and it still won't let min. 07:23 < BrandonW> me in.* 07:23 < BrandonW> I just hate their site. 07:24 < BrandonW> I'm calling these people. 07:24 < BrandonW> Ridiculous. 07:25 < millinao> haha 07:25 < millinao> youtube rant imo 07:25 < BrandonW> Honestly, what does it take to sign into a PAID SERVICE? 07:26 < BrandonW> I signed up for a free trial using another e-mail address, just so I could get into the thing. 07:26 < BrandonW> It didn't even give me a confirmation page saying it worked or anything. 07:26 < BrandonW> Just right back to the login page. 07:26 < BrandonW> I checked my email to see that it actually did anything at all. 07:26 < BrandonW> This site is absolute shit. 07:27 < millinao> man, i would expect more from something as well known 07:27 < BrandonW> Yeah, and their competition is dead 07:27 < BrandonW> So there is no alternative. 07:27 < millinao> what about XM? 07:27 < BrandonW> They bought it, I think. 07:28 < millinao> well, it's all going to podcast/internet radio anyhow 07:29 < BrandonW> Can't listen to that in my car. 07:29 -!- glk [glk@ppp-70-128-107-50.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:32 -!- glk [glk@ppp-70-128-107-50.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net] has joined #tcpa 07:32 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v glk] by efneTI92 07:32 -!- _Auron_ [~DarkAuron@adsl-99-170-79-85.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #tcpa 07:32 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o _Auron_] by efneTI86 07:32 <@efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin. 07:34 < Peter_W> Hello _Auron_ 07:34 < Peter_W> You people put me to shame... deserting this place for so long 07:35 <@_Auron_> I had 1 sale and 3 refunds of Stroids today 07:35 <@_Auron_> not in the fucking mood 07:36 < DSP_Lord> wait. 07:37 < DSP_Lord> you can make money off that? 07:37 <@_Auron_> http://www.cyrket.com/search?q=Stroids 07:37 <@_Auron_> yes 07:37 < DSP_Lord> did not know that. 07:40 < Peter_W> I just did a google search to find the maxcoderz thread 07:40 < millinao> how much you make total? 07:43 < BrandonW> I really need to get GetKey and the system context working in OS2. 07:43 < BrandonW> I can't really add anything without menus to access it from. 07:43 < BrandonW> Or system monitor, I should say. 07:44 < BrandonW> Which is actually a really smart way of handling things. 07:44 < BrandonW> That's core OS stuff from way back in the 81 days. 07:44 < millinao> is OS2 your new OS? 07:44 < BrandonW> Yes. 07:45 < millinao> is it entirely new or a modification of the original OS 07:45 < BrandonW> It's from scratch but it's using the same model as the TI-OS, for compatibility's sake. 07:46 < BrandonW> And usability. 07:46 < Peter_W> I just keep thinking of how they hammered MV in some way that was never terribly clear 07:47 <@Nikky> That was back when they cared. 07:47 < Peter_W> (to me) -- or at least I've forgotten any details I once knew 07:47 < BrandonW> They had no problem with him writing an OS. It was posting on a forum how to patch the TI-OS and saying he would do it for someone. 07:47 < BrandonW> As far as him not finishing, he just gets bored once the hard part's done. 07:47 < Peter_W> I see 07:47 < BrandonW> Which in this case is writing Free83P and the signing tools, and the development environment to even START. 07:47 < BrandonW> Which I can say I've done. 07:47 < BrandonW> Now I'm working on core OS components. 07:48 < BrandonW> Some (all?) of this code (at least PC-side) is crap, but I don't care. I'm taking the rapid prototyping approach. 07:49 < BrandonW> Which frankly is the only way this is going to happen. 07:49 < BrandonW> We need a reliable alternative. 07:49 < BrandonW> Then we can tweak to our hearts' content. 07:49 < BrandonW> Or rewrite and restructure. 07:49 < BrandonW> However we feel about it once it's done. 07:50 < BrandonW> When I get the core components done, I'm going to branch the source. 07:50 < BrandonW> So that people have a stable base they can screw with on their own. 07:50 < millinao> oh hey, it's nikky 07:50 < Peter_W> I admire your devotion and persistence, BrandonW. 07:50 < BrandonW> And then I'll continue with what I think it should be. 07:50 < sir_lewk> so this movie 07:50 < sir_lewk> The Shining 07:50 < Peter_W> No doubt countless others have expressed the same sentiment. 07:50 < sir_lewk> scaring the crap outa me 07:50 < millinao> uh, yeah? it's the shining 07:50 < BrandonW> Go watch The Exorcist. 07:50 < BrandonW> YOU'RE NOT MY MOTHER 07:51 < millinao> (the outside shots of the lodge is here in oregon!) 07:51 < BrandonW> They sent paranormal investigators into the real life hotel, you know. 07:51 < BrandonW> Freaky stuff happened. 07:51 < sir_lewk> I loved the exorcist but I can't say it really scared me 07:51 < BrandonW> The Exorcist is the only movie that truly scared my brother growing up. 07:52 < sir_lewk> this is the first movie that I can remember actually scaring me in a very long time 07:52 < sir_lewk> of course, I used to be afraid of disney movies as a kid so... 07:52 <@_Auron_> movies didn't scare me, but stuff that I could interact with (i.e. games), particularly Doom and Heretic, scared me 07:52 <@_Auron_> even with god mode on 07:52 < BrandonW> Yeah, I was going to say, how old are you? 07:52 < sir_lewk> 20 07:52 < BrandonW> Yeah, you would not catch me playing a game without some sort of god mode on. 07:53 < millinao> i get scared by the cheesiest shit ever 07:53 < millinao> i refuse to watch scary movies 07:53 < BrandonW> I'll watch anything. 07:53 < BrandonW> Only a certain few movies really freak me out. 07:53 < BrandonW> Things that probably shouldn't. 07:53 < BrandonW> Has anyone seen Darkness Falls? 07:54 < Peter_W> Deus Ex was the only really dark(-ish) game I ever played... 07:54 < sir_lewk> I don't like torture horror crap like Saw, simply because I find it distastful 07:54 < sir_lewk> otherwise, I'm generally fine watching anything 07:54 < BrandonW> It's about this tooth fairy witch ghost kinda deal trying to get you out of light so she can kill you, and in the beginning of the movie this boy sees his mother murdered and hides in his bathroom where there's light. And it shows her hovering above the door frame in the dark waiting for him to come out. 07:54 < BrandonW> Just a freaky scene. 07:55 < BrandonW> Like flying sideways, totally above the doorway. 07:55 < BrandonW> And making some sort of freaky screeching noise. 07:56 < Peter_W> eeeiiiieeheheeeeheeeee 07:56 < sir_lewk> sounds creepy :o 07:57 < BrandonW> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCjlK57WxOk 07:57 < millinao> i think the 'scariest' movie i've seen is truman show 07:57 < millinao> freaked the hell outta me when i saw it 07:57 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@CPE-70-92-241-13.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 07:57 < BrandonW> You can probably just skip to the very end of that video. 07:58 < sir_lewk> shit 07:58 < sir_lewk> this little boy 07:58 < BrandonW> Anyway, she's trying to get him constantly for the rest of his life, and he develops serious mental issues, keeps extra flashlights, sleeps with lights on, never once goes into a shadow or dark place. 07:59 < BrandonW> And to "cure" him, they finally decide to put him in a sensory deprivation chamber. 07:59 < BrandonW> Where she could get him. 07:59 < BrandonW> And it goes from there. 07:59 < sir_lewk> D: 08:00 < millinao> that's hardcore 08:00 < Peter_W> 'it' being the film, or the youtube video you linked? 08:00 < Peter_W> if I weren't on dial-up I'd look at the youtube link -_- 08:01 < BrandonW> The film. 08:02 < BrandonW> The rest of the movie's only decent, but that scene freaked me right out. 08:04 <@Nikky> I rearranged my room! 08:04 < sir_lewk> nothing scares me more than Nikky 08:04 <@Nikky> boo 08:04 < Peter_W> Ack, new permutation identified! 08:04 < millinao> yeah thats true 08:05 * sir_lewk craps himself 08:05 < Peter_W> Heeeee's a lumberjack, and he's okay.... 08:05 < BrandonW> New permutation of what? 08:05 -!- Goplat [~goplat@76-191-156-24.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Time left until the Apocalypse: 28yrs 24wks 5days 20hrs 20mins 51secs] 08:05 < Peter_W> Nikky's room's contents >_> 08:05 < sir_lewk> supposedly Jack Nicolson is making a movie across the street from here right now 08:06 < sir_lewk> now I'm terrified D: 08:06 < BrandonW> You can take him now, he's old. 08:06 < BrandonW> All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. 08:06 < BrandonW> You've never seen The Shining before? 08:06 < sir_lewk> nope 08:06 < BrandonW> What point are you at? 08:06 < BrandonW> Is it on TV? 08:07 < sir_lewk> he's talking to an imaginary bartender 08:07 < BrandonW> Whatever you say, Lloyd. Whatever you say. 08:07 < sir_lewk> D: 08:08 < sir_lewk> I could go for a drink too... 08:08 < millinao> man now i need to watch that movie again 08:08 < BrandonW> Is it on TV?! 08:08 < sir_lewk> no, my computer 08:09 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:10 < sir_lewk> lol, footpounds 08:10 < BrandonW> http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5339/87827114.jpg TI Connect told me this when trying to transfer a file to OS2. 08:10 < BrandonW> I find this amusing. 08:10 < sir_lewk> jack nicolson uses footpounds 08:11 < sir_lewk> lol, nice BrandonW 08:12 <+Netham45> lol @ BrandonW 08:12 < BrandonW> I don't think I'm ignoring any packets, so I think it's really just doing a check on my version. 08:12 < BrandonW> Which is 0.01. 08:12 < sir_lewk> ah, there's your problem. it should be 9000.1 08:12 < BrandonW> Good to know. 08:12 <+Netham45> Can you differ between Ti-Connect and another calculator? 08:12 < BrandonW> Kids, we are hereby going to 3.x! 08:13 < sir_lewk> :D 08:13 <+Netham45> If so, just make it report a fake version for ti-connect. 08:13 < BrandonW> Yes, there's a "get info" packet where it requests the current OS version, boot code version, and hardware version. 08:13 < BrandonW> And language, and battery status. 08:13 < BrandonW> Who wants to guess what version it returns when you're in the boot code? 08:13 < millinao> wait, OS2 is already mature enough to send files to? 08:13 <+Netham45> whatever the bootcode version is? 08:14 < sir_lewk> 666, bootcode of the beast 08:14 < BrandonW> It's mature enough for silent linking. Still no concept of variable storage and still no direct USB. I'm working on the ability to receive the TI-OS, so I can save it for dual booting. 08:14 < millinao> ah 08:14 < BrandonW> It returns 0.00. 08:14 < sir_lewk> interesting 08:14 < Peter_W> Yay for zero-based indexing 08:15 <+Netham45> It probabally thinks you're an updated bootcode. 08:15 < BrandonW> Boot code versions start at 1.00. 08:15 -!- glk [glk@ppp-70-128-107-50.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net] has quit [+] 08:15 < BrandonW> Zero is reserved for "no OS". 08:15 < Peter_W> :P 08:15 < sir_lewk> hmm, naked babe in room 237 08:15 <+Netham45> and if they send 0.00 for 1.00, it's logical to assume that 1.01 would equate to a reported version of 0.01. 08:16 < BrandonW> There's nothing logical about that. 08:16 < millinao> I've noticed that almost every stand up routine finishes off by referencing a motif or joke earlier in the show 08:16 < BrandonW> You return zeroes if you don't have it, otherwise the version which must be non-zero. 08:17 < BrandonW> You guys will like this. 08:17 < BrandonW> More proof that TI Connect is shit. 08:17 < sir_lewk> holy shit wtf 08:17 < BrandonW> I know. 08:18 < BrandonW> That scene can scar you. 08:18 < BrandonW> I forgot to say something. 08:18 * sir_lewk gouges out his eyes with battery acid 08:18 < millinao> wait what happens 08:18 < BrandonW> http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9683/85324250.jpg ...I DON'T REPORT MEMORY CONTENTS 08:18 < BrandonW> The naked woman in room 237 turns into a deformed old cackling woman. 08:18 < BrandonW> Right when he kisses her. 08:18 < millinao> ah 08:19 < sir_lewk> like, half decade and shit 08:19 < BrandonW> decayed* 08:19 < sir_lewk> my brain is still rebooting 08:19 < BrandonW> If TI Connect ever tells you the connected TI device's memory is full, don't believe it. 08:19 < sir_lewk> oh? 08:20 < BrandonW> You would get that if you return a skip/exit packet saying memory is full, too. 08:20 < BrandonW> It's so nice to re-implement the link protocol in pieces. 08:20 < BrandonW> You can see all the stupid assumptions TI Connect is making. 08:21 < sir_lewk> why would the device send a packet saying the memory is full if it isn't? 08:22 < BrandonW> It wouldn't, I'm just saying. 08:22 < BrandonW> Either that or TI Connect is being stupid. 08:22 < BrandonW> That's the only way it happens. 08:22 < sir_lewk> gotcha 08:22 < millinao> TI connect is just making inference 08:22 < millinao> s 08:22 < millinao> don't see anything bad about that 08:23 < sir_lewk> interesting stuff 08:23 < BrandonW> I stopped responding, therefore I must be out of memory? That's a ridiculous assumption. 08:23 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Z:8015-190D] 08:23 < millinao> why else would the TI OS stop responding? 08:23 < BrandonW> Some sort of IO error. Maybe you pulled the cable out. 08:23 -!- Netham45 [~YouJustGo@c-67-166-1-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 08:23 < millinao> wouldn't that be detected though 08:24 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by Remius 08:24 < BrandonW> Yes, and you SHOULD get a meaningful error. However, because TI's coders are MORONS, you get an out of memory message instead. 08:24 < millinao> haha 08:25 < Peter_W> The world needs a vaccine for laziness :P 08:25 < millinao> you're hating on TI too much, they hacked up a job that worked for them and they never intended for it to be adaptable 08:25 < BrandonW> I know you're not trying to defend them. 08:25 < sir_lewk> they probably figured nobody would every be writing an operating system for it besides them :D 08:26 < millinao> yeah, what sir_lewk said 08:26 < sir_lewk> which, is awesome 08:26 < BrandonW> I suppose using slow Flash sectors to build a link packet is much better than just using the extra RAM pages? 08:26 < millinao> ...Yes. 08:27 < BrandonW> You have to write all sorts of extra code to DO that. 08:27 < BrandonW> If they were going for laziness, they failed. 08:27 -!- mtgrss111 [~not@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:28 < millinao> it's called 'diligent laziness' 08:29 < sir_lewk> crap 08:29 < millinao> or maybe they foresaw people like you doing exactly this and decided to be an asshole for no reason 08:29 < sir_lewk> killer butler 08:29 < BrandonW> I...corrected them, sir. 08:30 < BrandonW> It's being an asshole to everyone, your Flash chip will die more quickly because of that stupid decision. 08:31 < Peter_W> does it operate with the flash for all transfers, or just certain types? 08:32 < BrandonW> With direct USB, if you so much as request the time, or send a REAL variable to RAM, it will do that. 08:32 < BrandonW> It's a little more sane with I/O. 08:32 < Peter_W> aah 08:33 < sir_lewk> hmm, racist killer butler 08:33 <@_Auron_> isn't Flash access slower too? 08:33 < BrandonW> Yes. 08:33 <@_Auron_> lol 08:33 < BrandonW> You can see how dumb this is. 08:33 <@_Auron_> spice cake with dark chocolate frosting ftw 08:33 <@_Auron_> I feel better already. 08:33 < BrandonW> Girl. 08:37 < BrandonW> Hm... 08:37 < BrandonW> I think I might've stumbled upon something interesting. 08:38 < BrandonW> So the 8XQ certificate updates are signed with the calculator's public key (field 0A20h). 08:38 -!- sir_lewk_ [~jlg95@tux64-03.cs.drexel.edu] has joined #tcpa 08:38 -!- sir_lewk [~jlg95@tux64-03.cs.drexel.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:38 <@efneTI92> [sir_lewk_] http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95 I have much DATA in VELOCIRAPTORS AND PHILOSOPH 08:38 < BrandonW> So that they only work on a particular calculator. 08:38 < BrandonW> Which sucks for us, because I don't know how that key is generated, and I'm pretty sure it actually comes from the calc ID. 08:38 < BrandonW> Because way back in the day, you'd input your full calc ID on the TI Online Store, and you get an app signed just for you. 08:39 < BrandonW> But, if that key isn't present, I think you can cause the code to fall back on whatever is at 8000h. 08:39 < BrandonW> And I don't think that area of memory is written to before that. 08:39 < BrandonW> At least back to the silent link hook. 08:39 < BrandonW> So the silent link hook could put a key we know the factors to there, return, and let it receive the update. 08:40 < BrandonW> But that makes the assumption I just said, and also that the 0A20h key isn't present. 08:40 < BrandonW> If it does, well, I just don't know. 08:40 < BrandonW> And it will for most people. 08:41 < BrandonW> But if it's truly generated from that, then there must be a way to rebuild it. 08:41 < BrandonW> Somewhere. 08:41 < millinao> lewk why'd you ping meh 08:41 < sir_lewk_> I was pinging out 08:42 < sir_lewk_> apparently 08:45 < BrandonW> That's what the last 4 digits of the calc ID are, it's validating the calc ID with field 0A20h (calculator public key). 08:45 < BrandonW> But I'm not sure that really helps you with deriving the key. 08:45 < BrandonW> I don't understand how TI is able to sign things given only the calc ID. 08:46 < millinao> I like watching fraiser and feeling civilize 08:46 < millinao> d 08:46 < sir_lewk_> why was TI so paranoid with having tons of keys an verifying everything? 08:46 < sir_lewk_> did they really make so much money off of app sales? 08:46 < BrandonW> Being unable to break this is how they had paid applications. 08:46 < BrandonW> They invested so much time in it that they didn't want it circumvented in 5 minutes by any moron. 08:47 < sir_lewk_> yeah, guess so 08:47 < BrandonW> That was the hesitation with releasing the 0104 key. 08:47 < BrandonW> With that, all someone had to do was get a copy of any shareware app and resign it. 08:47 < BrandonW> And distribute it. 08:47 < millinao> i bet they only made a few hundred off of that paid app 08:47 < BrandonW> Our own people probably made more than that from app sales. 08:48 < millinao> really? 08:48 < BrandonW> Kirk Meyer had paid applications in the online store. 08:48 < millinao> i've never seen anyone download or use one 08:48 < BrandonW> I was too young to have money to buy any at the time, but I was tempted. 08:48 < Peter_W> but, with the number of calculator (users) out there... 08:48 <+Netham45> I knew a teacher who had 'Dawg' 08:48 < sir_lewk_> why would they go through the bother of having verified OSs too? is that more of safety precaution to prevent it from being overwritten with crap or something? 08:49 < BrandonW> Yes, we would be in total chaos if this were 8 years ago. Any old moron would put an OS on there and it would accidentally erase the certificate and you're fucked. 08:49 < BrandonW> Like I was with my 4 bricks. 08:49 < Peter_W> someone goes around overwriting everyone's OSs and trashing calculators 08:49 < BrandonW> That was the concern with Flash applications, too. 08:49 < BrandonW> No one wants shitty Flash applications out there. 08:49 < BrandonW> They're intended to be quality. 08:49 < sir_lewk_> ya 08:50 < millinao> i'm going to make a flash app of nothing but a collection of quadratic solvers 08:50 < Peter_W> hah 08:50 < BrandonW> All it takes is one bad byte in the certificate and you can no longer use your calculator or even resend the OS. I learned this. 08:50 < Peter_W> [the hard way] =/ 08:50 < BrandonW> If we had released a Flash unlock exploit back in the day, about 3 lines of code would screw you over for good. 08:51 < BrandonW> I'm so glad it happened to me, at least we have a way to truly undo everything. 08:51 < Peter_W> still would, no? So why is everything so relaxed now? 08:51 < BrandonW> Because most people don't care anymore and the people who know how to do it aren't that evil. 08:52 < millinao> except you 08:52 < BrandonW> I could embed something in an msd8x and destroy you all if I really wanted. 08:52 < BrandonW> msd8x update* 08:52 < millinao> you're like a terrorist 08:52 < millinao> you should go to jail 08:52 < BrandonW> I put destroy.zip on my site! I made a zip file specially-tailored for people to go around destroying calculators and the world hasn't ended. 08:52 < BrandonW> I think that's proof enough. 08:53 < sir_lewk_> if that terrorist was santa claus who showered us with delicous hax-y z80 goodness... 08:53 < BrandonW> Proof enough that people aren't that evil, I mean. 08:53 < sir_lewk_> mmhm 08:54 < Peter_W> so how many bytes would it actually take to trash a calc? o.o 08:54 < sir_lewk_> I think the community in general is mature enough to handle this stuff 08:54 < Peter_W> I haven't looked at any of this stuff 08:54 < BrandonW> I can change two bytes in Free83P and completely brick a calculator. 08:54 < BrandonW> It's only a couple hundred bytes. 08:54 < BrandonW> If you really want, I can see how much it would take at a minimum. 08:55 < BrandonW> That's how it happened, too...I was optimizing that program and sent one last test to my calculator. 08:55 < BrandonW> I screwed up the Endianness on one field. 08:55 < BrandonW> And bricked it. 08:55 < Peter_W> :/ 08:55 < BrandonW> The boot code MUST be able to parse the certificate or you are just screwed. 08:55 < sir_lewk_> "I'm not gonna hurt you, I'm just gonna bash your brains in" DDD: 08:55 < BrandonW> This is before you can even put an OS on it. 08:58 < BrandonW> ld a,1 \ ld (appInfo+2),a \ bcall(50CBh) \ ld a,7Eh \ ld hl,4000h \ bcall(_EraseFlash) \ ld a,7Eh \ ld hl,6000h \ bcall(_EraseFlash) \ ld a,7Eh \ ld de,4000h \ ld hl,certData \ ld bc,certDataEnd - certData \ bcall(_WriteFlashUnsafe) \ ret \ certData: .db 00h,03h,00h,07h,00h,07h,11h,04h,07h,3Dh 08:58 < Peter_W> wait... so in theory, any given calculator executable is a potential calc-killer now? :S 08:58 < BrandonW> Do that on OS 1.19+ or 2.40+ and you bricked it. 08:59 < BrandonW> Yes. 08:59 < Peter_W> "Breaking news: ticalc.org implements calculator antivirus research." >_> 08:59 < BrandonW> Well, also tack on: xor a \ ld b,a \ ld de,0056h \ bcall(_WriteAByte) \ rst 00h instead of the "ret" at the end and that's an instant brick. 09:00 < BrandonW> And by that, I mean you lose the OS and you cannot resend the TI-OS. 09:00 < BrandonW> The battery trick will fix an 83+/SE, but you're screwed on an 84+/SE. 09:00 < BrandonW> This isn't the PERMANENT brick like I did to mine. 09:00 < BrandonW> I'm not sure I even want to put that out there. 09:00 < Peter_W> ah 09:00 < Peter_W> yeah... 09:01 < BrandonW> I uploaded the brick fix to ticalc.org. 09:01 < BrandonW> So it's not like you're completely hopeless 09:01 < BrandonW> You just have to get ahold of another 83+ series calculator and an I/O cable. 09:01 < BrandonW> Or just an I/O graphlink and an emulator. 09:01 < Peter_W> I didn't realize there were multiple levels of bricking 09:01 < sir_lewk_> you should try to send the permanently bricked one back to TI to get fixed ;) 09:02 < BrandonW> I so should find some sort of StudyCards exploit or something to execute it if you load a certain AppVar. 09:02 < BrandonW> And upload that. 09:02 < sir_lewk_> I guess they'd just claim it was hardware broken 09:03 < BrandonW> I'm firmly convinced they wouldn't know what I did to it. 09:03 < BrandonW> I want to do this now, find a StudyCards exploit. 09:04 < BrandonW> Does TI's site have any way to upload data files like that? 09:04 < BrandonW> For people to use? 09:04 < sir_lewk_> not that I'm aware of 09:04 < sir_lewk_> hmm 09:04 < BrandonW> I want to embed this in something innocent. 09:05 < Peter_W> wait wait.. you want to brick calculators? ..but only in a soft-bricking way? 09:05 < BrandonW> Yes. 09:05 < Peter_W> and you'd include a check to make sure it wasn't an 84+? 09:05 < BrandonW> Who doesn't want to brick calculators in software? 09:05 < Peter_W> lol 09:05 < sir_lewk_> you should embed it into some sort of "studycard pronz" ;P 09:06 < BrandonW> I would include a very scary disclaimer, like what's in destroy.zip. 09:06 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/destroy.zip 09:06 < Peter_W> hah, gotta love the "Scanning for viruses..." on download-- as if it does much good ;) 09:07 < millinao> oh that niles krane and his wacky mishaps 09:07 < BrandonW> It's been years since I've seen Frasier. 09:08 < BrandonW> Look at it, it's a 272 byte 8XP. 09:08 < BrandonW> That's all it takes. 09:08 < BrandonW> Just amazing. 09:08 < BrandonW> If only we could go back in time and send that to ourselves. 09:08 < sir_lewk_> OH SHIT 09:08 < sir_lewk_> redrum == murder 09:08 < BrandonW> lol 09:08 < sir_lewk_> wow, that scared the crap out of me 09:08 < BrandonW> (moving finger) Hello, Mrs. Torrance. 09:08 <@_Auron_> hmm, a guy from quakecon wants me to me a guy that worked for a few game companies before and wants to do some android work. says he'll arrange a face-to-face meetup at quakecon next week 09:09 < BrandonW> That's cool. 09:09 < Peter_W> "nostub" -- it has been far too long since I've seen that word :P 09:09 < Peter_W> it actually took me half a second 09:09 < BrandonW> I'm not sure we even say "nostub" in z80-speak. 09:09 < BrandonW> But I say we do now. 09:09 < BrandonW> No reason not to. 09:10 < BrandonW> If I recall correctly, the fix for the permanent brick relies on knowing a valid OS signing key in the certificate. 09:11 < BrandonW> So if you create a sufficiently-large random key, it'd be about impossible to fix. 09:12 < BrandonW> Or not. 09:12 < sir_lewk_> oh? 09:12 < E-J> sir_lewk_: redrum.fi 09:13 < BrandonW> Yeah, as long as your link port still works, you can unbrick it. 09:13 < sir_lewk_> I'm far to scared to visit that link 09:14 < Peter_W> it's not bad 09:14 < Peter_W> just a bunch of schedule blocks 09:14 <@_Auron_> sir_lewk_: wtf are you watching 09:15 < sir_lewk_> the shining 09:15 < millinao> oh, hahaha 09:15 <@_Auron_> oh 09:15 < millinao> i thought you were talking about redrum, the propellerhead drum machine 09:16 < millinao> that makes a lot more sense now 09:16 < BrandonW> Ah fudge, a bug in overflow.zip. 09:16 < BrandonW> Oh well. 09:16 < BrandonW> Nothing major. 09:18 -!- jayhawker [~dalek@wisper.unl.edu] has joined #tcpa 09:19 < BrandonW> It would actually be really bad if you sent these old 8XQ files to an 84+/SE. 09:19 < BrandonW> Because they don't contain the 0A key. 09:20 < BrandonW> But then again, they also won't validate on anyone's calculators, so no worries. 09:24 < Peter_W> I'm blaming IRC for being up this late, even though I really just shouldn't have taken that nap this evening 09:25 < millinao> go to bed 09:26 < BrandonW> I think I can figure out the calc ID / public key combination for one or two calculators. 09:27 < BrandonW> How that gets us the factors, I don't know. 09:27 < BrandonW> How does TI sign shareware apps for people?! 09:30 -!- al_b_back [~a@123-243-237-83.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:34 < BrandonW> The only thing that makes sense is that it's somehow generated from the calc ID. 09:36 < BrandonW> haha, the online store still has my old calc IDs. 09:36 < BrandonW> Which includes the last 4 digits. 09:37 < Peter_W> Meaning you might be able to fix them? 09:37 < BrandonW> Fix what? 09:37 < Peter_W> The bricked calcs 09:37 < BrandonW> I already fixed them. 09:38 < BrandonW> That was the point of writing the overflow program. 09:38 < BrandonW> I was dead in the water, nothing else from me, until I could fix them. 09:38 < BrandonW> That was my #1 priority a few weeks ago. 09:38 < Peter_W> Ahh.. 09:43 < BrandonW> I found my original calc ID and public key. 09:43 < BrandonW> And a few apps signed for that calc ID. 09:43 < BrandonW> Which include the signature. 09:46 < BrandonW> Those apps contain keys 3204, 4204, and 5204 in addition to 0104 and 0004. 09:46 < BrandonW> And 2204.. 09:46 < BrandonW> And 1204... 09:49 < BrandonW> It's very strange. 10:09 < millinao> strange 10:09 < BrandonW> So unless we patch the OS to just not validate this, it's useless to us. 10:10 < BrandonW> Unless we can figure out how TI can sign something for you given only your calc ID. 10:10 < BrandonW> We have the public key used to decrypt it. 10:10 < BrandonW> We just don't know how they're encrypting it. 10:11 < BrandonW> So it MUST be calculated somehow. 10:14 < millinao> oh god, I could imagine a tcpa play being written and out of nowhere everyone freezes and brandonw steps onstage and delivers an atlas shrugged-size monologue 10:14 < BrandonW> One has to wonder who has the real problem here. 10:15 < millinao> well, I don't know.. you're ranting about calculators in an empty channel and I'm talking about it 10:17 -!- jayhawker [~dalek@wisper.unl.edu] has quit [RCJHKU!] 10:24 < BrandonW> Oh wait a minute.. 10:25 < BrandonW> I think BCALL 804Eh is regenerating this key. 10:26 < BrandonW> Well to be honest I don't know what it's doing. 10:26 < BrandonW> But it zeroes out any existing 0A20h field and writes a new one. 10:26 < BrandonW> I'm not sure where the new one is coming from. 10:32 -!- efneTI80 [aardrop@66.111.62.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 600 seconds] 10:32 -!- millinao [~millinao@c-76-27-205-29.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [i don't even know anymore] 10:33 < BrandonW> Apparently it's just writing one from the other certificate sector. 10:33 < BrandonW> So nothing special. 10:41 -!- efneTI80 [~aardrop@66.111.62.80] has joined #tcpa 10:51 < BrandonW> TI Connect seems to choke afterward, but I can receive the TI-OS and write it. 10:51 < BrandonW> Now just to swap it in and boot it. 10:51 < BrandonW> Then I'll know if this actually works. 10:52 < BrandonW> (dual booting) 10:58 < BrandonW> And the code to do it has to run from...wherever, since when it runs I don't know which OS is present. 10:58 < BrandonW> Which means I can't use...anything, from either. 10:59 < BrandonW> And I have to unlock Flash and stuff. 10:59 < BrandonW> I think this is for another night. 11:14 -!- leofox [leofox@leofox.student.utwente.nl] has joined #tcpa 11:15 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR! 13:07 < E-J> late night with brandon wilson 13:09 -!- tev [~travis@ip68-103-147-212.ks.ok.cox.net] has quit [restarting client--it's being stupid again] 13:10 -!- tev [~travis@ip68-103-147-212.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #tcpa 13:53 -!- noah_ [~noah@ip70-189-100-123.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56 -!- Tyler2 [nexon@76.67.254.159] has joined #tcpa 13:56 -!- Randomist [~winterven@cdm-75-109-109-35.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #tcpa 13:56 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] The pycho has entered the channel. Sound the alarms. 13:57 -!- Tyler2 [nexon@76.67.254.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57 -!- Tyler3 [nexon@76.67.254.159] has joined #tcpa 14:11 -!- Merth [~Shaun@140.141.213.3] has joined #tcpa 14:12 -!- Randomist [~winterven@cdm-75-109-109-35.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: My open-source music and art. http://wintervenom.mine.nu] 14:13 -!- Merth is now known as Merthsoft 14:17 < nicolas> right, i've done enough screwing around todya 14:17 < nicolas> gotta get some work done... how do I do that ? 14:18 -!- Tyler3 [nexon@76.67.254.159] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 14:20 < E-J> nicolas: you can't do it 14:22 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@CPE-70-92-241-13.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 14:22 <@efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing. 14:30 -!- boscop [~boscop@f050248220.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #tcpa 14:36 < jr19> whats up 14:36 < E-J> sky 14:38 < Andy_J> up is a quark 14:38 < jr19> i thought it was a direction 14:39 < jr19> usually considered the opposite way that gravity is pulling you 14:39 < Andy_J> down is also a quark 14:40 < jr19> in and out also? 14:41 < Andy_J> no, but top and bottom are 14:41 < E-J> and strange and charm 14:42 < E-J> i wonder which drugs those physists have taken and were they legal 14:43 < ports> quarks have 6 flavors.. 14:43 < ports> up, down, top, bottom, charm, strange. 14:44 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #tcpa 14:44 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by etaonrish 14:45 < E-J> and 7th is krisk 14:45 <+krisk> hmm? 14:45 < nicolas> krisk: you're a quark 14:45 <+krisk> what's a quark 14:46 < leofox> thats a kind of yoghurt 14:46 <+krisk> kwark 14:46 -!- Barrett [~chavez@75-165-233-129.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #tcpa 14:46 < leofox> yeah in English they spell it quark 14:46 <+krisk> hi lofox 14:46 <+krisk> ok 14:46 <+krisk> i was thinking quasar 14:47 < jr19> lolfox 14:47 <+krisk> hiu 14:47 < jr19> hi krisk 14:49 < jr19> oh yeah i get paid today 14:49 < ports> yogurt 14:49 < ports> nom nom nom 14:49 < ports> i had blueberry last night 14:49 <+krisk> milk and milklike products are yay 14:50 -!- incubus [incubus__@98.194.19.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 204 seconds] 14:50 < jr19> cinnamon roll 14:50 < E-J> i'm eating reindeer meat right now 14:51 <+krisk> crazy finnish 14:51 * TheStorm feels like he already know more about teh Marquette network than teh network admins :/ 14:51 < E-J> krisk: i think you would too if it would be available 14:52 -!- _Auron_ [~DarkAuron@adsl-99-170-79-85.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 287 seconds] 14:52 < jr19> do they have elk up in finland 14:55 < jr19> i'm going to be generally useless today 14:56 <+krisk> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/590781/f3c8f672/kennen_jullie_toine_de_poepeter_nog_.html 14:59 < ports> jr19, whats new 15:00 < jr19> not much, we lost our game last night 1-0 15:00 < jr19> i got a hit with 1 out in the last inning and then stole second, but no one could drive me in 15:06 < ports> no one wanted you back in the dugout 15:06 < ports> thats why they left you on base 15:08 <+krisk> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/591001/83126668/hippie_weirdo_pedo_yoga.html 15:08 < E-J> jr19: elks, fallow deers, roe deers, red deers, white-tailed deers, forest reideers and normal reindeers are only species that live in finland 15:10 < jr19> my friend says elk meat is one of the best meats 15:10 < nicolas> krisk: wtf is that first one ? 15:10 < jr19> i've never had it though 15:11 < nicolas> I've had reindeer meet before, good stuff 15:11 < E-J> deer meat generally is good, reindeer meat and elk meat doesn't much differ 15:11 < E-J> except reindeer is more expensive :) 15:11 <+krisk> nicolas: dude eating a rat 15:12 < jr19> i've had deer meat plenty of times 15:12 < jr19> never reindeer meat 15:13 < jr19> tomorrow, i make my triumphant return to the golf course 15:13 < E-J> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saut%C3%A9ed_reindeer 15:14 < nicolas> hmm.. I could go do some golf practice sometime I have a couple of tokens left 15:14 < E-J> you should try that sometimes, without rein if that's not available 15:14 < E-J> is that sautéed some french word? 15:15 < leofox> hmm sauteed 15:15 < nicolas> e-j yes 15:15 < nicolas> literally it means "jumped" 15:15 < E-J> ach 15:16 < E-J> one jump too many and reindeer ended to food 15:16 < nicolas> cause normally you make whatever it is you are sauteeing 'jump' in the frying pan 15:16 < E-J> ah, i got it 15:18 < leofox> haha the new xkcd is so great 15:18 < nicolas> leofox, which one ... features ? 15:18 < leofox> yeah 15:18 < nicolas> hehehe yeah 15:19 < nicolas> talking about xkcd .. I gotta get me some merch :P 15:19 < leofox> it's really cool 15:19 < leofox> summarizes linux features for me pretty well 15:20 < leofox> I've had desktop distro's with all kind of weird internet stuff that was useless because I couldnt get my wireless to work 15:20 < nicolas> meh, I wanted to get some of those plushies from C&H as well.. but to get them in italy it turned out the shipping was more expensive than the plushy itself 15:21 < leofox> yeah it's always that way 15:21 < leofox> I wanted a pedobear plush 15:21 < leofox> but they dont ship to NL 15:22 < ports> http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs188.snc1/6295_582537747898_37701700_34322389_6928403_n.jpg - what is going on in that wedding photo 15:22 < leofox> I know a girl that has one though, they are awesome 15:22 < leofox> ports silly couple trying to be street on their wedding day 15:22 < leofox> ik ben zo straat dat mensen over mij heen lopen 15:23 < ports> what 15:23 < ports> what did you say 15:23 <+krisk> hah 15:24 < jr19> he said that they're trying to turn into a street 15:25 < jr19> funny pedobear pictures are funny 15:26 -!- incubus [incubus__@98.194.19.98] has joined #tcpa 15:27 < leofox> ports: "I'm so street, people walk on me" 15:27 < nicolas> lol ... default shipping $15.95 ... 4 - 12 weeks for International 15:27 < nicolas> ahahaha 15:27 < nicolas> that's ridiculous 15:28 < nicolas> do they get someone to swim across the atlantic or something ? 15:29 < E-J> i tried to send something to usa and it had same kind of shipping costs 15:30 < nicolas> I guess it takes up a bit of space 15:30 < nicolas> when I sent a big ass document once it cost me that much .. for registered mail and all 15:32 -!- _Auron_ [~DarkAuron@adsl-99-170-79-85.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #tcpa 15:32 <@efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin. 15:32 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o _Auron_] by efneTI86 15:33 < nicolas> and I need to save some money to get me an XKCD hoodie, and a couple t-shirts :P 15:34 < nicolas> and maybe a reddit one :D 15:35 -!- Andy_J_ [ajanata@ajanata.com] has joined #tcpa 15:35 -!- Peter_W [CalcKing@dialup1736.wnskvtao.sover.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 383 seconds] 15:35 < nicolas> hehe. geeking out here... shame so few people around here would be able ot appreciate it ... 15:35 -!- jr [~nag@inserthere.net] has joined #tcpa 15:35 < nicolas> though I do know some guys here read xkcd too 15:35 < jr> well that sucks 15:35 < jr> i read xkcd 15:36 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o Andy_J_] by efneTI86 15:36 < nicolas> I would figure most people in here read it or at least familiar with it 15:38 < jr> went to bed early last night and i think i feel worse for it today 15:39 -!- ports [~ports@inserthere.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 380 seconds] 15:39 -!- Andy_J [ajanata@ajanata.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 380 seconds] 15:39 -!- jr19 [~nag@inserthere.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39 -!- Andy_J_ is now known as Andy_J 15:39 < nicolas> jr it's no use going to bed early if your not tired and sleepy 15:40 <+krisk> unless you also wake up early 15:40 < nicolas> even 15:40 <+krisk> or arent tired and sleepy but need additional rest anyway 15:40 < nicolas> you can't really force yourself to sleep and feel relaxed 15:40 < jr> i was tired 15:41 < nicolas> mentally or physically ... big difference 15:41 < jr> i watched tv for about 2-3 minutes while i was in bed, turned it off, and i fell asleep 15:41 < Barrett> your mom fell asleep 15:41 < nicolas> with Barrett 15:41 < jr> i'm pretty sure i sleepwalked for a bit too before coming to my senses 15:41 < nicolas> and crash landed on the bed ? 15:42 <+krisk> how is there a big difference between mental and physical tiredness for the purpose of falling asleep? 15:42 < jr> i had a dream that my kid was crawling around on the floor in the middle of the night and i couldnt find him, so i got up to look for him in my dream, but i also got up in real life 15:42 < Barrett> core body temperature 15:42 < jr> and then i went to hi bed and saw he was there and snapped out of it 15:42 < jr> his bed* 15:43 <+krisk> core body temperature? 15:43 < Barrett> yes 15:43 < Barrett> your core body temperature should be lower if you want to fall asleep 15:44 < Barrett> but if you're physically tired, it likely isn't very low 15:44 <+krisk> uhh..? 15:44 <+krisk> because? 15:44 <@Nikky> I agree with Barrett 15:44 < Barrett> I dunno 15:44 <+krisk> PSEUDOSCIENCE 15:44 < Barrett> but that's what digg or slashdot said the other day 15:45 < Barrett> that's why recommended room temperature for sleeping is 60 to 68 degrees 15:45 * Nikky eats Barrett 15:45 <+krisk> because room temeperature affects core body temperature 15:45 < Barrett> Yes 15:45 < Barrett> it does 15:45 <+krisk> hardly 15:45 <@Nikky> Beat him up 15:45 < Barrett> especially when your body isn't being very active 15:45 < Barrett> (slow heart, etc) 15:45 <+krisk> i dont think the people thinking up those conclusions really thought about it 15:46 < Barrett> your body isn't trying as hard to keep your temperature high 15:46 < jr> i just fall asleep because i'm tired, i dont think about why i'm tired, if i'm physically or mentally tired, if the temperature is ideal for sleeping... 15:46 < jr> its all part of my circadian rhythm :) 15:46 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.213.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 384 seconds] 15:47 <+krisk> im pretty sure my longest and deepest sleepigns have been while very warm from sickness and warm bed 15:47 < Barrett> exactly. 15:47 <+krisk> not cool 15:47 < Barrett> you're warm because your body is losing a lot of heat 15:47 <+krisk> wat 15:47 -!- ports [~ports@inserthere.net] has joined #tcpa 15:47 < ports> jr 15:48 < jr> what 15:48 <+krisk> i was warm because i had a high temperature from being ill and lieing in a bed with 2 covers all curled up to get as warm as possible 15:48 < ports> jr, i slept in 15:48 < ports> its cold outside 15:48 < ports> and it pisses me off 15:48 < jr> cold? what? 15:48 -!- ports [~ports@inserthere.net] has quit [Connection closed] 15:49 <+krisk> protip: high core body temperature kills illness 15:49 < Barrett> see? it was cold and he slept longer. 15:49 < Barrett> I win. 15:49 <+krisk> it was warm 15:49 <+krisk> soaked the bed in sweat 15:49 < jr> i cant sleep as long as i used to 15:50 < jr> maybe the soaking of the sweat created an evaporation effect causing your body temperature to plummet as you slept, resulting in a greater and deeper sleep 15:50 <+krisk> thats what its supposed to do 15:50 <@Nikky> krisk is doing what he normally does 15:50 <+krisk> obviously thats not gonna work with 2 blankets on top of you 15:50 <+krisk> lately im sleeping pretty cool and not getting much energy from it 15:50 <@Nikky> find some silly counter example 15:50 < jr> lulz 15:50 <@Nikky> apply it ot everything 15:50 <@Nikky> and pretend like he's way superior and smart 15:51 <+krisk> well youre not exactly making that difficult are you 15:51 < jr> i dont know, i just go to sleep about the same time every night and sleep until about the same time also 15:51 < jr> and it works for me 15:51 <+krisk> yeah 15:51 <+krisk> whatever digg/slashdot said is WRONG 15:51 < Barrett> I think I'm gonna order comcast internet today... just because everyone on slashdot and digg hates it 15:51 < Barrett> also because my current internet sucks 15:52 <@Nikky> I don't have a problem with comcast 15:52 <+krisk> core body temperature will drop slightly during sleep, the relation doesnt work in reverse 15:52 -!- ports [~ports@inserthere.net] has joined #tcpa 16:01 < nicolas> well, I don't know exactly how or when my body temperature acts, but I find often, after a long day of work I feel tired, but it's mostly from mental fatigue, where I don't want to do anything anymore, and I'll even have trouble falling asleep when I go to bed, cause i'm not physcially tired... on the other hand if I do something to be physcially tired as well like staying up much later or some relatively intense physical activity (eg. sports) I will sleep muc 16:01 < ports> ok 16:02 < bsparks> I hate people >.< 16:02 <+krisk> yes 16:02 < sir_lewk_> O.o 16:02 <+krisk> the difference matters much more, not core body temperature 16:02 < sir_lewk_> from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_pig : "Since the 1960s, efforts have been made to increase consumption of the animal outside South America" 16:02 < nicolas> bsparks: all people? or just .. stupid people ? (which are the unfortunately the majority) 16:03 < bsparks> nicolas, people who are prejudice or rather ignorant 16:03 < sir_lewk_> who the fuck eats guinea pigs? 16:03 < nicolas> sir_lewk_: tastes just like chicken! 16:03 < sir_lewk_> D: 16:03 < nicolas> bsparks: that's sort of the definition of "stupid" ... or at least what I meant 16:03 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.213.3] has joined #tcpa 16:03 < E-J> nicolas: ate crocodile in australia, it tasted just like chicken 16:04 < nicolas> I ate frogs' legs here in France, was quite a while ago, tasted just like chicken too, as far as I can recall 16:05 <+krisk> i ate pussy once 16:05 < nicolas> and bland chicken at that 16:05 <+krisk> did not taste like chicken 16:05 < E-J> sir_lewk_: guinea pigs were domesticate orginally to food 16:05 < nicolas> indeed not ... pussy is hit or miss, some are good, some are bad ... 16:05 -!- mokomull [mmullins@rabbit.mmlx.us] has left #tcpa [krisk, what the hell.] 16:05 < bsparks> nicolas, I just had the stupidest conversation with a client today. He tried to convince me I should switch from OS X. Which everyone does. But his reasoning was because I had complained my external HDD is rather useless without a Mac, it's HFS+ formatted. He laughs and says the usual "Mac sucks" and his reasoning was because they don't support FAT32, when I proved this to him, he then changed to because they don't support NTFS. And 16:05 < bsparks> refused to believe that HFS/+ had been around for 20+ years and NTFS for how many? Even with proof. I shouldn't get into stupid arguements though. Morons... 16:05 < E-J> sir_lewk_: apparently you are one of those who can't eat any animal that looks cute :) 16:07 < E-J> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2009/aug/04/vladimir-putin-russia-holiday 16:07 <+krisk> bsparks does that mean mac doesnt suck? 16:08 < bsparks> It's a viewpoint thing 16:08 < nicolas> bsparks: heh, indeed... hdd interoperability is still a pain in the ass ... but MacFuse + NTFS-3g is a pretty decent deal now... still slow last time I tried it .. but it works 16:08 < bsparks> nicolas, only reason I use HFS+ is for large files 16:08 < ports> krisk, mac sucks like a $1 whore 16:08 < bsparks> FAT32 kinda chokes on DVD images and HDD images 16:08 <+krisk> yay ports 16:10 -!- mokomull [mmullins@rabbit.mmlx.us] has joined #tcpa 16:10 < bsparks> Also, my highlight script I wrote is awesome, anyway, back to work 16:11 < ports> ok bsparks 16:11 < nicolas> bsparks: well, FAT32 more than kinda chokes. has a 2GB limit on filesize ... 16:11 < ports> http://leasticoulddo.com/comics/20090804.gif bsparks 16:11 < ports> thats a good comic bsparks 16:12 < nicolas> considerng a DVD image will usuallbe 4.4gb ... 16:12 <+krisk> least i could do is so terrible 16:12 < nicolas> we do havea problem :P 16:12 < ports> your face is terrible bsparks 16:12 < ports> is that highlight annoying yet bsparks 16:13 < jr> i think it all goes to a separate window, so he probably doesn't care 16:13 < bsparks> jr, wins the prize 16:14 < bsparks> that and I have text from ports set to #000000 so it matches my #000000 background, aka, I can't read what he says, unless I highlight it 16:14 < ports> bsparks, ok 16:14 <+krisk> lol enjoy highlighting it then 16:14 <+krisk> ? 16:15 < ports> krisk, i think bsparks is lying 16:15 <+krisk> nobody lies on the internet 16:15 < nicolas> he actually has ports in bright pink :) 16:15 < ports> nicolas, weee! bsparks 16:15 < nicolas> to match his unicorn background 16:15 <+krisk> lets all mention bsparks in everything we say 16:16 < ports> krisk, dont do that.. bsparks wont like it and Andy_J will ban you 16:16 < nicolas> indeed, he can be ruthless :) 16:16 <+krisk> ok i wont mention bsparks with every line 16:16 < ports> krisk, yeah dont mention bsparks it every line 16:17 < ports> i mean odnt mention bsparks IN every line 16:17 < ports> typo. 16:17 < jr> odnt 16:17 <+krisk> i would expect you to want me banned so you adivising me not to mention bsparks constantly is confusing to me 16:17 < ports> i mean don't mention bsparks IN every line 16:19 -!- Goplat [~goplat@76-191-156-24.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #tcpa 16:19 < ports> lol 16:19 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Goplat] by efneTI92 16:22 -!- Spengwork [~asdf@pool-71-111-128-29.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 16:24 < ports> bsparks, you should build this nerd house http://lifehacker.com/5329865/office-on-the-forests-edge 16:26 -!- mode/#tcpa [+b *!*ports@inserthere.net] by efneTI81 16:26 -!- ports was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [Banned: You're just being excessively assholish with your highlighting binge today. Go sit in the corner for half a day.] 16:26 <+krisk> nice 16:27 < jr> i'm just happy that the banmask didnt include me for once 16:27 <+krisk> nice office 16:37 <+krisk> i have lost my squash ball :( 16:39 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: User excited] 16:42 -!- mode/#tcpa [-b *!*ports@inserthere.net] by efneTI85 16:43 -!- JoelS [~JSeligste@c-67-180-86-206.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [This computer has gone to sleep] 16:44 -!- TheStorm [~TheStorm@CPE-70-92-241-13.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 16:52 -!- ryantmer [~ryantmer@64-247-139-115.ssimicro.com] has joined #tcpa 16:52 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.213.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 384 seconds] 16:54 < nicolas> ok, tomorrow I attack section 5!! 16:55 < nicolas> a shit load of changes ... and lots of crazy math science formulae and algorithms... it is going to be intense! 17:02 -!- tev [~travis@ip68-103-147-212.ks.ok.cox.net] has quit [software not following directions] 17:02 < nicolas> only 30 pages of algorithms for satellite product processing :) 17:06 -!- benryves [~benryves@host86-141-194-10.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #tcpa 17:08 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o benryves] by efneTI86 17:10 < jr> i can feel the intensity burning my brain 17:11 -!- JoelS [~JSeligste@1601br1-egress-1.corp.tfbnw.net] has joined #tcpa 17:13 < E-J> benryves: not busy anymore? 17:14 <@benryves> Yes and no, E-J :) 17:14 < E-J> ok :) 17:14 <@benryves> How have you been? 17:17 < jr> E-J's addicted to reindeer meat 17:18 <@benryves> Same old, then. 17:29 -!- tev [~travis@ip68-103-147-212.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #tcpa 17:30 -!- j-b-r [~j-b-r@ip98-169-89-44.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45 < jr> Pamela B. Barton, 49, 3535 Hillcrest St., reported a gaggle of garden gnomes stolen from her lawn, resulting in a loss of $500 for the 20 lawn ornaments. The incident, which occurred between 3 p.m. Friday and 6 p.m. Sunday, also left $50 in siding damaged from thrown eggs. 17:46 < jr> a gaggle of garden gnomes? 17:46 <@_Auron_> hillcrest st? 17:46 <@_Auron_> what city is that? 17:47 <@benryves> I'm not sure what the correct collective noun is. I see reference to "hi ho", though. :) 17:48 < jr> its my hometown in iowa 17:48 < jr> dubuque 17:49 <@benryves> Are garden gnomes popular in the USA? 17:49 < jr> i dont know if they're that popular, but they're around 17:49 < jr> they're apparently popular to pamela b. barton 17:50 <@benryves> Hah :) 17:55 < jr> the last time someone threw eggs at my place, they received an aluminum baseball bat through the back window of their car 17:56 <@benryves> That's a... proportional response. 17:57 < E-J> garden gnomes are more common than garden kdes or ... 17:57 < E-J> /coat 17:57 < jr> i didnt hunt them down and do it, i did it as they were driving away 17:57 < jr> so fuck them. 17:57 -!- Goplat [~goplat@76-191-156-24.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 287 seconds] 18:01 -!- Goplat [~goplat@76-191-156-24.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #tcpa 18:01 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Goplat] by efneTI85, efneTI86 18:05 -!- incubus [incubus__@98.194.19.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 204 seconds] 18:07 < sir_lewk_> ftp.microsoft.com is more cluttered and disorganized with random old shit than my own home directory 18:08 < sir_lewk_> I'm kinda suprized it isn't all corporate and sterile, it's almost like they forgot they had it years ago 18:09 < jr> yeah it sort of seems weird theres just a plain ol ftp.microsoft.com 18:11 -!- benryves [~benryves@host86-141-194-10.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11 -!- benryves [~benryves@host86-141-194-10.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #tcpa 18:11 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o benryves] by efneTI86 18:18 < sir_lewk_> ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Services/Education/K12/Articles/Mar98/win31.exe <== lulz 18:18 < jr> what is that 18:19 < sir_lewk_> just a self-extracting zip of some doc file I can't open 18:19 < sir_lewk_> so much random shit... 18:19 < jr> that sucks 18:19 < jr> 1998 was a strange time 18:19 < sir_lewk_> and they still have this crap, just lying around 18:19 < jr> a good time...when i saw downloading mp3s off webpages and stuff 18:19 < sir_lewk_> totally forgotten 18:20 < jr> was* 18:20 <@benryves> sir_lewk_: "The Microsoft K-12 Connection: March 1998" 18:20 < jr> dyslexic 18:20 <@benryves> "Downloading a typical high-resolution photograph over even the highest capacity phone line takes more than 48 seconds, while a cable modem delivers the same photograph in /less than one second./" Whoa. 18:20 < sir_lewk_> ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Services/channel/Salesdesk/Office95 niiice 18:21 < sir_lewk_> lol 18:22 <@benryves> sir_lewk_: Can't accuse Microsoft of not being generous, http://download.microsoft.com/download/word97win/Wd55_be/97/WIN98/EN-US/Wd55_ben.exe is the full version of Microsoft Word 5.5! (DOS). 18:24 < sir_lewk_> lmao 18:24 < sir_lewk_> I can't believe they have this stuff still lying around publicly 18:25 <@benryves> Why not? :) It's probably useful to someone out there. 18:27 < ryantmer> ROFL 18:27 < ryantmer> ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Services/channel/Ballmer.ZIP 18:28 < ryantmer> Some ppt file, but still a funny name to save it as... 18:28 * benryves opens it expecting animated 72pt text flashing "DEVELOPERS" 18:29 < ryantmer> I'll be honest 18:29 < ryantmer> I expected the same XD 18:29 < sir_lewk_> well, when I see things like: ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/deskapps/games/public/New Folder, I get the feeling they don't really know what's up there themselves ;D 18:29 < ryantmer> It's older than that... event... though. From 1997 18:30 < sir_lewk_> lmoa 18:31 < jr> ballmer is the name of their CEO or something isnt it 18:31 < ryantmer> Aye 18:32 <@benryves> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ballmer#Public_persona :) 18:32 -!- j-b-r [~j-b-r@ip98-169-89-44.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #tcpa 18:32 < jr> yeah 18:32 < ryantmer> It would just be like me storing something on my computer named "Mahler" 18:32 < ryantmer> Not very descriptive name... 18:34 <@benryves> Unless it was, say, an archive of recordings of the the complete works of Mahler. 18:38 < ryantmer> True 18:38 < E-J> in museum part they have office prank pictures 18:38 < ryantmer> Although I do not have such a thing 18:38 < ryantmer> (Nor I am related to that Mahler) 18:39 < ryantmer> E-J, where? 18:40 < E-J> ryantmer: ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Services/Museum/pranks/ 18:41 < E-J> (in first picture there is something with brand nokia) 18:42 < ryantmer> lol, always got to get that little plug for the Finnish company in there, don't you? ;) 18:42 -!- benryves [~benryves@host86-141-194-10.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has left #tcpa [] 18:42 < jr> but your name says Ryan Mahler 18:43 < E-J> yep 18:43 < jr> but but but 18:43 < ryantmer> jr, lolwut? That is my name... 18:43 < ryantmer> But I am not related to the famous Mahler (the composer) is what I was saying 18:44 < jr> oh i see 18:44 < E-J> ryantmer: is your ancestors from austria? 18:44 < E-J> are* 18:45 < ryantmer> Germany, as far as I know 18:45 < ryantmer> But I don't really know that far back, tbh 18:45 < E-J> ok 18:46 < E-J> "someone who grinds" 18:47 < jr> mine are from germany mostly 18:48 < ryantmer> E-J, is that seriously what it means? Hah, when people call me a "mauler" I was not aware of the... triple joke? 18:48 < sir_lewk_> lol, in word 5.5 18:48 < sir_lewk_> view->ribbon 18:48 < sir_lewk_> what was old is new again! 18:49 < E-J> ryantmer: yeah, mahlen is to grind, so mahler is grinder 18:49 < ryantmer> Wow. That's actually kind of hilarious. 18:50 < E-J> maulen is to sulk 18:50 < E-J> so are you often sad?-) 18:51 < ryantmer> lol 18:51 < ryantmer> Not really 18:52 < ryantmer> Odd, because "maul" in English could basically be a synonym for "grind". 18:53 < jr> i suppose 18:54 < ryantmer> Well, it's closer to "grind" then it is to "sulk" :P 18:54 < Tari> riptearkill, more like 18:55 < E-J> yeah, i think it's related to all variants of miller 18:55 < Tari> handle of use roughly/injure by a rough beating, shoving, or the like 18:55 < Tari> *or use 18:56 < E-J> at least your surname is some worker, mine is only equipment 18:56 < E-J> (old finnish word for lasso that is used to catch reindeers) 18:56 < ryantmer> lol 18:57 < Tari> my surname has no meaning :) 18:59 < E-J> that only means that you haven't heard it yet :) 18:59 < Tari> there's no way to split it up so the bits make sense in German 19:00 < Tari> (which is the language of origin) 19:00 < ryantmer> Maybe the person who came up with it was drunk? 19:00 < ryantmer> Try slurring it 19:00 < bsparks> woah, benryves was here??! 19:00 < ryantmer> Or reading it in a mirror, maybe you're related to (guy who wrote stuff in mirror writing, can't remember who) 19:00 < ryantmer> Da Vinci? 19:01 < ryantmer> Yes, Da vinci. 19:02 < E-J> bsparks: yes 19:03 < sir_lewk_> anyone here good with special relativity? 19:04 <@_Auron_> yes, relativity IS special 19:05 < E-J> Tari: maybe it's one version of this person's surname http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marheine 19:05 < bsparks> I'm only good with normal relativity 19:05 < sir_lewk_> observer S reports that an event happended on his x-axis at 3*10^8 m at time 2.5s, observer S' is moving in the positive x directoin with a speed of .4c. furthermore, x=x'=0 and t=t'=0 19:05 < sir_lewk_> what coordinates does S' report? anyone have any ideas? 19:05 < sir_lewk_> gamma for S' is 1.09 19:10 < jr> i've heard some weird surnames 19:14 < jr> winkleblack, polkinghorn 19:15 < E-J> most weird surnames that i have heard here are those that are finnished 19:15 < E-J> like runolinna (poemcastle) 19:17 < jr> my name means "rose farmer" in german i believe 19:18 < jr> i'm going to lunch bbl 19:18 < E-J> jr: rosebauer? 19:19 -!- Goplat [~goplat@76-191-156-24.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 287 seconds] 19:20 -!- Randomist [~winterven@cdm-75-109-109-35.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #tcpa 19:20 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] The pycho has entered the channel. Sound the alarms. 19:26 < sir_lewk_> if galaxy a and galaxy b are moving away from me, both at .35c in opposite directions, galaxy b is moving at .623c relative to galaxy a. does that sound right? 19:27 < bsparks> fuck you iTunes >.< using all the cycles of one CPU and half of the cycles of the other 19:29 < sir_lewk_> pfft, iTunes sucks 19:29 < bsparks> I need to have a chart of how much GPU power is being used too 19:29 < sir_lewk_> I suggest you use bnxc, mediaplayer of the gods 19:29 < sir_lewk_> http://github.com/jgreco/bnxc/tree/master ;D 19:29 < bsparks> sir_lewk_, almost any media player I use eats at least 90% of one processor 19:30 < bsparks> 876MHz is not that fast >.> 19:30 < sir_lewk_> ah 19:33 < bsparks> And in actuality, the reason iTunes is using ~– of the card is because that %50 or so is used for throwing things in and out of the RAM, I need another gig of RAM :( 19:33 <@_Auron_> ~- ? 19:34 < bsparks> err, ~150% 19:34 < bsparks> sorry, ~ % 150 causes xchat to try to interpret things 19:35 < sir_lewk_> ~%rm -rf / 19:36 < sir_lewk_> diditwork? 19:37 < bsparks> a) % 3 numbers, only works from my input line. b) it's not like that. c) lrn2ircclient 19:43 < sir_lewk_> :P 19:46 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 19:49 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:06 -!- Randomist [~winterven@cdm-75-109-109-35.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: My open-source music and art. http://wintervenom.mine.nu] 20:08 -!- Barrett [~chavez@75-165-233-129.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 320 seconds] 20:08 -!- gh_ [~gh@12.148.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #tcpa 20:09 < bsparks> wtf 235fps o.0 20:13 < bsparks> damn, 250 screen buffer updates a second 20:13 -!- Barrett [~chavez@75-165-234-112.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #tcpa 20:24 -!- Peter_W [CalcKing@dialup1893.wnskvtao.sover.net] has joined #tcpa 20:24 < bsparks> 'lo Peter_W 20:24 < Peter_W> 'lo 20:24 < Peter_W> blasted staying up too late last night on here... 20:25 < bsparks> heh 20:25 < Peter_W> have to do stuff on the farm at 8 every morning and all 20:25 < jr> what kind of arm 20:25 < jr> farm 20:25 < Peter_W> ...lol 20:25 < Peter_W> dairy 20:25 < jr> ah ok 20:38 -!- millinao [~millinao@c-76-27-205-29.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 20:39 < jr> HEY MILLINAO! 20:39 < millinao> hi 20:40 < Peter_W> M I L L IN AO 20:40 < millinao> D: 20:40 < millinao> I have determined that my brother is fucking insane 20:40 < Peter_W> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angola apparently 20:41 < millinao> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loy93cemrEA 20:41 < millinao> my brother is the one on the right 20:42 < Peter_W> youtube links... they burn 20:42 < millinao> i have no fucking idea what the hell he was thinking 20:46 < E-J> how old is he 20:46 < Peter_W> (and what is he doing?) 20:46 < jr> i wish i could see the video so i could join in, but i will sit here in the corner instead 20:46 < E-J> i think my sense of humour doesn't count that in 20:46 < millinao> he's 25 20:47 < E-J> ah, and thinks too much of him? 20:47 < Peter_W> jr: I'm on dial-up, what about you? 20:47 < E-J> "work"? 20:48 < jr> i'm at work 20:48 < jr> "work" 20:48 < millinao> he's made some good videos, but this one is just confusing 20:49 < jr> good 20:50 < E-J> tell him to change his meds back to old ones :) 20:54 -!- incubus [incubus__@98.194.19.98] has joined #tcpa 20:54 < Peter_W> heh, speak of the devil.. 20:54 -!- gh_ [~gh@12.148.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:55 < jr> mmmm cokie cake 20:55 < jr> cookie :( 20:55 < jr> my typing is not good today 20:55 < Peter_W> jr 127 20:56 < jr> wat 20:56 < Peter_W> lol, assembly 20:56 < Peter_W> actually, hm 20:56 < jr> oh 20:56 < jr> i understand now 20:56 < Peter_W> would jr 0 cause an infinite loop, or would it have to be jr -2 ? 20:56 -!- Barrett [~chavez@75-165-234-112.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:58 < jr> twitter is stupid 20:58 -!- Barrett [~chavez@75-165-225-1.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #tcpa 20:59 < Peter_W> inherently so, the people who use it, or both? 20:59 < jr> both 21:00 < jr> well i shouldnt say both 21:00 < jr> i just think its stupid in itself 21:00 < Peter_W> lol 21:01 < Peter_W> tripped you into that one, did I? :) 21:02 < jr> there must be something wrong with me because i just fail to see how its all that useful 21:02 < Peter_W> eh, some would say the same about IRC 21:02 < Peter_W> my grandmother never did understand why anyone would use a computer 21:03 < jr> at least irc is in real time 21:03 < jr> twitter is like irc where everyone is on ignore unless you "follow" them, and its not in real-time 21:03 < Peter_W> but, it also doesn't require you to be logged in all the time 21:03 < Peter_W> /shrug 21:03 < jr> i suppose 21:04 < jr> send a god damn email then 21:04 < jr> i dont know, i hate twitter 21:04 < E-J> jr: that's why i use zokem and fb, not twitter 21:04 < jr> /end 21:04 < millinao> twitter is useful for other stuff too 21:04 < jr> well i like facebook, i just dont like all this new application stuff 21:04 < millinao> my tf2 clan uses it to inform everyone about the status of our servers 21:04 < Peter_W> augh, the surveys, the mayhem... yeah 21:05 < Peter_W> twitter is good for broadcasting without requiring authentication 21:05 < millinao> yeah 21:05 -!- millinao [~millinao@c-76-27-205-29.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Leaving] 21:06 < jr> millinao is mad because i bashed twitter 21:06 < E-J> in local newspaper there was article about microblogging, like finns have made several good software to it, and still some american poor software dominates the market 21:07 < jr> that's because USA is #1 BABY! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 21:08 < Peter_W> "We're #1! We're #1! We're #-- wait... why are you holding up a sign with a urinal on it...?" 21:08 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #tcpa 21:09 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by SnowCrash 21:09 < E-J> but because my friends are developing that zokem, i'm using it and not other ones available 21:09 < E-J> all thought you can have zokem plugin for twitter and fb for example 21:10 < jr> krisk how do you feel about twitter 21:11 <+krisk> sucks 21:12 <+krisk> shitty implementation of really really simple technology that turned into a popular fad because people like to think that they're more important than they really are 21:13 < Peter_W> :P 21:15 < jr> hehe 21:18 <+krisk> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/591381/8a3c1296/cursus_jamaicaans.html 19:59 < E-J> old http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/albumit/mmedia/xz/3ww/xbb4/244709/640700034.jpg 20:01 < incubus> E-J, drunks? 20:01 < Peter_W> ...o.O 20:01 < incubus> Peter_W, you back for good? 20:02 -!- Randomist [~winterven@cdm-75-109-109-35.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #tcpa 20:02 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] The pycho has entered the channel. Sound the alarms. 20:02 < incubus> krisk, Jamaican Patois rocks :D 20:02 -!- dankid [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 20:03 < Randomist> Uh-oh, TI is sending me e-mail. 20:03 < Randomist> (How'd they get my e-mail address?) 20:03 < bsparks> they are gods 20:03 < Peter_W> incubus: I'm not really sure. I've done this sort of thing before (coming back for a few random days) 20:04 < incubus> They Know. 20:04 < Peter_W> But there's nothing saying I couldn't stick around this time 20:07 < jr> hmm why is that one called the bride pose 20:07 < jr> hmm? HMM? 20:07 < jr> Randomist: what kind of email is it 20:08 -!- dankidd [~dankid@CPE-72-131-125-188.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:18 < jr> does anyone here actually like ports 20:18 <+krisk> yes 20:19 < Randomist> I like ports. The Internet would be useless without ports. 20:19 < jr> oh 20:19 < jr> i was talking about the other ports, but that's a valid answer 20:19 < Peter_W> lol, I was thinking about saying something else... 20:20 < Peter_W> that would also be 'valid' 20:20 < jr> does it have to do with ships 20:20 <+krisk> i like ports 20:21 <+krisk> he curls and shouts at bicyclists and doesnt afraid of anything 20:21 < jr> that he does 20:21 < Peter_W> actually, I was going to say something like "we talkin' female or male?" ... but then I realized how horribly corrupted college has made me 20:21 < Peter_W> and it's scary 20:21 < jr> Peter_W: so you swing both ways huh 20:22 < Peter_W> no, the question is intended to determine the actual response 20:22 < jr> i think hes sort of a jackass personally 20:22 < jr> Peter_W: its ok, you can tell us how you really feel 20:22 < jr> jk i dont think hes a jackass 20:23 < Peter_W> lol 20:23 < jr> hes like that little misunderstood child who goes around throwing rocks through peoples windows 20:24 < jr> also, the rocks are red 20:31 < jr> eye boogers are weird 20:33 < bsparks> hrm 20:34 < bsparks> I need a USB floppy drive =\ 20:34 < Peter_W> hah, floppies... 20:35 < Peter_W> I have 2-3 in my room, and an old desktop that can read them 20:35 < jr> 5.25"? 20:35 < jr> i have a bunch of floppies that probably have neato old stuff on them, but i have no way of reading them 20:35 < bsparks> 3.25" 20:35 < jr> actually i have an old gateway that has a floppy drive, but i'm not hooking it up... 20:36 < bsparks> I have 11 floppies with photos on them, that I wanna upload to facebook =\ 20:37 < Peter_W> and no other copies? o.o 20:37 < jr> each floppy has one photo on it? heh 20:37 < Peter_W> :P 20:37 < bsparks> jr, each floppy has between 4 and 14 20:37 < jr> its crazy that they can only hold 1.44mb 20:37 < bsparks> Peter_W, the camera used 3.25" floppies as the removable media 20:37 < jr> i remember my first ISP after AOL, we had like 4 floppies for loading internet explorer and stuff 20:38 < Peter_W> wow, I incorrectly remembered floppies as 2.5ish 20:38 < Peter_W> must have been thinking 2.54 cm / in. 20:39 < bsparks> 8" 5.25" 3.5" 3" umm 20:40 < bsparks> 2.8" >.> 20:48 <@Andy_J> click disk? 20:48 -!- Peter_W [CalcKing@dialup1893.wnskvtao.sover.net] has quit [dial-up : one step up from Connect by Cow] 20:48 < bsparks> Andy_J, hmm? 20:48 <@Andy_J> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clik 20:49 <@Andy_J> doesn't say how big t hey were 20:49 <@Andy_J> why am I +o 20:49 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o Andy_J] by Andy_J 20:49 -!- boscop_ [boscop@g228207223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #tcpa 20:50 < bsparks> nah, 2.8" was for the Famicom, 3" were for old British home micros, 3.5" and 5.25" is obvious, and 8" should be too 20:50 < jr> cuz you are kinda a big deal 20:50 < jr> famicom...like nintendo? 20:50 < bsparks> yes 20:51 < bsparks> 3" was made by Maxell for Japan and British markets, and the 2.8" "Quick Disk" by Sharp 20:51 < bsparks> for the Famicom :) 20:52 < jr> so was that like the storage system you could use with the famicom that was only available in japan? 20:52 < bsparks> mhmm 20:52 < jr> interesting...2.8" 20:54 -!- boscop [~boscop@f050248220.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:10 -!- Randomist [~winterven@cdm-75-109-109-35.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: My open-source music and art. http://wintervenom.mine.nu] 21:25 -!- Michael_V [michael@ip68-109-186-79.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #tcpa 21:25 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Michael_V] by etaonrish 21:32 -!- Peter_W [CalcKing@dialup1893.wnskvtao.sover.net] has joined #tcpa 21:32 < Peter_W> o.O that was a blazing fast connect 21:34 < jr> o rly 21:36 < ryantmer> ya rly 21:36 <+Michael_V> o rla 21:36 <+Michael_V> (the Z80 assembly version) 21:38 < Tari> lsl d0 is about as close as 68k gets 21:40 < Tari> lsl d0,d0 actually 21:42 < Peter_W> what's the subject? 21:43 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: User excited] 21:45 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.36.207] has joined #tcpa 21:45 < jr> cuz i drank a bottle of whiskey before i came, came to the bar to see what's the same 21:45 <@_Auron_> I need to market Stroids somehow 21:46 < BrandonW> How much is it? 21:46 < jr> hack ti.com and replace the homepage with an advertisement for it? 21:46 < Merthsoft> DSP_Lord: thanks for not playing with me :( 21:46 < jr> it'd probably help if i would've gone to school for marketing 21:55 < Andy_J> Merthsoft: DSP_Lord is at work 21:55 < Merthsoft> he was on xbox live for a while 21:55 -!- boscop_ [boscop@g228207223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Gxis revido!] 21:55 < Merthsoft> not playing halo with me 21:55 < Andy_J> his sister probably 21:56 < Merthsoft> ooooh 21:56 -!- Goplat [~goplat@76-191-156-24.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #tcpa 21:56 < Merthsoft> well, she was playing gears of war 2 21:56 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Goplat] by efneTI92 21:56 < Merthsoft> and not halo with me 22:09 -!- KermEEE [~KermM@pool-98-113-173-181.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa 22:26 -!- Michael_V [michael@ip68-109-186-79.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [] 22:32 -!- Goplat [~goplat@76-191-156-24.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 287 seconds] 22:36 -!- Goplat [~goplat@76-191-156-24.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #tcpa 22:36 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Goplat] by efneTI86 22:37 -!- ports [~ports@inserthere.net] has joined #tcpa 22:37 -!- mode/#tcpa [+b *!*ports@inserthere.net] by SnowCrash 22:37 -!- ports was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI81 [Banned: You're just being excessively assholish with your highlighting binge today. Go sit in the corner for half a day.] 22:52 -!- mode/#tcpa [-b *!*ports@inserthere.net] by efneTI85 22:53 -!- mtgrss111 [~not@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa 22:53 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v mtgrss111] by etaonrish 22:55 -!- i_c-Y [Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa 22:55 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth. 23:03 -!- KermEEE [~KermM@pool-98-113-173-181.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 370 seconds] 23:06 -!- Randomist [~winterven@cdm-75-109-109-35.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #tcpa 23:06 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] The pycho has entered the channel. Sound the alarms. 23:07 < i_c-Y> hello Randomist 23:11 -!- Tyler2 [nexon@76.70.181.17] has joined #tcpa 23:12 -!- Peter_W [CalcKing@dialup1893.wnskvtao.sover.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 383 seconds] 23:12 -!- mtgrss111 [~not@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15 -!- JoelS [~JSeligste@1601br1-egress-1.corp.tfbnw.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 380 seconds] 23:18 -!- glk [glk@adsl-71-153-169-208.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #tcpa 23:19 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v glk] by efneTI92 23:22 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.36.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 384 seconds] 23:52 < bsparks> Hmm --- Log closed Thu Aug 06 00:00:10 2009