--- Log opened Mon Aug 03 00:00:47 2009
00:11 <@Nikky> What's a calculator?
00:11 <@Nikky> hi Merthsoft 
00:11 < Merthsoft> hi Nikky 
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00:25 <+patz2009> woah, so now we can sign OSes and send them without a modified certificate?
00:26 <+patz2009> cool beans
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00:42 < BrandonW> Only on the 83+/SE.
00:44 <+patz2009> From what I've gathered, the 84's key is being worked on right?
00:44 < BrandonW> Yes.
00:45 <+patz2009> This is all very exciting :D
00:47 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: who did the cracking?
00:47 < BrandonW> Benjamin Moody.
00:47 < Merthsoft> that name is so familiar
00:49 <+patz2009> FloppiusMaximus
00:49 <+patz2009> Floppus*
00:49 < Merthsoft> hrm
00:49 < BrandonW> Yes.
00:50 < BrandonW> He wrote RabbitSign, BootFree, and was in the Google Summer of Code for the last year we did it.
00:50 < BrandonW> Among other things.
00:50 < Merthsoft> ah, ok
00:50 < BrandonW> Unit Operations...
00:50 < BrandonW> Smart guy.
00:50 < Merthsoft> does he have any other handles than FloppusMaximus?
00:50 < BrandonW> Not to my knowledge.
01:01 < BrandonW> I think I can get the TI-OS receiving code done tonight for OS2.
01:01 < BrandonW> It'll be a stretch but I might even get the patching and switching code done.
01:01 < BrandonW> Which means we can dual boot with the TI-OS.
01:03 < Merthsoft> :)
01:06 < BrandonW> On the 84+SE anyway. I'm going to have to go back and do an audit of all the crap I'm assuming.
01:06 < BrandonW> And get it working on the 73, 83+/SE, and 84+.
01:07 < BrandonW> And then there's the direct USB code...
01:07 < BrandonW> But I have basic direct USB link protocol support in periph8x, so at least it can be done.
01:12 < BrandonW> I think there's a bug in the boot code.
01:13 < BrandonW> If you have an OS with a page 7Dh but no 7Ch, it won't receive it correctly.
01:13 < BrandonW> Because it won't erase that sector.
01:13 < BrandonW> The boot code really sucks.
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01:24 < Pctech37> Does anyone here know if it is possible to interface p2p with the data ports with mixed and matched models. ex ti89t w/ ti83+
01:24 < BrandonW> P2P?
01:24 < BrandonW> You mean link an 83+ and an 89Ti with an I/O cable?
01:24 < Tari> calc<->calc, I think?
01:24 < BrandonW> Yes, you can absolutely do that.
01:24 < BrandonW> X-Link does that.
01:25 < Merthsoft> you should make it so that when the 84+SE is lugged into the USB, it charges it :D
01:25 < Pctech37> k because ticalc.org has no chat apps like that
01:26 < BrandonW> The TI link protocol is identical between the two.
01:26 < bsparks> Merthsoft, I could do that >.>
01:26 < BrandonW> Merthsoft, that might actually be possible if I had the slightest idea what half of the ports do.
01:27 < Andy_J> that assumes the 84+ has battery charging hardware built-in to it, which it probably doesn't
01:27 < BrandonW> Probably?
01:27 < Pctech37> Im building the best chat app ever with cryptographic usernames passwords token ringing wouting etc
01:27 < BrandonW> What are you doing here anyway?
01:27 < BrandonW> You hate us all, you're supposed to be gone.
01:28 < Pctech37> me?
01:28 < BrandonW> No.
01:28 < Andy_J> I'm on the lookout for more botfights
01:28 < BrandonW> That sounds pretty ambitious, Pctech37.
01:29 < Pctech37> yeah
01:29 < i_c-Y> how do you intend to link more than 2 calculators together.
01:29 < i_c-Y> ?
01:29 < Pctech37> but with 4 years of high scool i think i can do this
01:29 < BrandonW> You can build separate hardware to allow that, even Kerm's done it.
01:29 < BrandonW> But for the 84+/SE/89Ti, you could simply use both ports.
01:30 < BrandonW> You sound just like me, I was wanting to write X-Link in high school.
01:30 < Pctech37> the trick to routing the the ti-navigator
01:30 < BrandonW> Oh good lord, you're going to use that thing?
01:30 < Pctech37> and the two port on some calcs
01:30 < BrandonW> By two ports, you mean I/O (2.5mm) and USB?
01:31 < Pctech37> yeah
01:31 < BrandonW> I do hope you know that developer USB support on the 89Ti is pretty much nothing.
01:31 < Pctech37> yeah
01:32 < Pctech37> but there are open source "usb networking" stacks out there
01:32 < Pctech37> for ti89t
01:32 < BrandonW> That has nothing to do with the calculator.
01:32 < BrandonW> Link me.
01:32 < Pctech37> I have one h.o
01:33 < BrandonW> For what, to run on the 89Ti?
01:33 < Pctech37> wait nvm
01:33 < BrandonW> I'm not sure you realize how insanely hard this is going to be if you're considering the 89Ti, and TI-Navigoat.r
01:33 < BrandonW> TI-Navigator.*
01:33 < Pctech37> yeah i mean this will use a 5th layer thing
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01:33 < Pctech37> IRC-Like protocal
01:33 < Pctech37> no channels
01:33 < BrandonW> Okay, have at it, let us know how it works out.
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01:34 < Pctech37> kk
01:34 < Pctech37> Ill need beta tester
01:34 < Pctech37> s
01:35 < BrandonW> You'll have to produce some code first.
01:35 < BrandonW> And I'm not sure you can.
01:36 < Pctech37> I can
01:36 < Pctech37> Im nerdy
01:37 < Pctech37> Ive brung down 4 pud sites b4
01:37 < BrandonW> I'll believe it when I see it.
01:37 < BrandonW> I don't know what a "PUD" site is.
01:37 < Pctech37> public utilities
01:37 < Pctech37> district
01:39 < BrandonW> Being nerdy has nothing to do with being able to write this.
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01:41 < Flash[GN]> Hello
01:41 < Flash[GN]> I need some help with my voyage 200
01:41 < Flash[GN]> anyone here?
01:41 < Andy_J> Being a malicious user isn't something to be proud of, Pctech37.
01:41 < BrandonW> Yeah, but most people here don't even know what a Voyage 200 is.
01:41 < BrandonW> So you probably won't get much help.
01:41 < BrandonW> But you can try.
01:41 < Flash[GN]> lol
01:41 < Flash[GN]> you know what it is?
01:41 < Flash[GN]> :P
01:41 < Noah__> I have one and know a bit about it
01:41 < BrandonW> Of course, I hvae one.
01:41 < BrandonW> have*
01:41 < BrandonW> I have them all! BWAHAHAHA
01:41 < Flash[GN]> lolol
01:42 < Flash[GN]> BrandonW Noah__
01:42 < Flash[GN]> im trying to install mario bros
01:42 < Flash[GN]> on it
01:42 < Noah__> BrandonW has everything
01:42 < Flash[GN]> but I keep failing
01:42 < Flash[GN]> lol
01:42 < i_c-Y> do you have preos?
01:42 < Flash[GN]> talk to me in a nooby language
01:42 < Flash[GN]> I just bought it today
01:42 < BrandonW> I have two actually, I have E-J's broken one he left out in the cold.
01:42 < i_c-Y> go to ticalc.org, and download preos , and download mario bros. unzip them, and copy all the files TI connect will let you to the calculator
01:43 < Noah__> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/350/35090.html
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01:43 < i_c-Y> read the manual for preos, run it and then start preos and access mario bros
01:43 <@efneTI92> [patrick_] The TI-85 shall reign supreme, always and forever
01:43 < Noah__> theres proos
01:43 < Flash[GN]> k sec
01:43 < Flash[GN]> I copy paste
01:43 < Flash[GN]> all the files from preos?
01:44 < BrandonW> What does the readme say to do?
01:44 < Flash[GN]> nvm
01:44 < Flash[GN]> yea
01:44 < Flash[GN]> oim reading it
01:44 < Flash[GN]> -_-
01:44  * Flash[GN] shrugs
01:44 < Flash[GN]> you guys studying engineer?
01:45 < BrandonW> No, we all do different things...
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01:46 <@efneTI92> [Storm\_] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
01:47 < Pctech37> Andy_J it wasnt malisoucous
01:48 < BrandonW> Sounded to me like you were bragging about taking down 4 sites.
01:48 < Pctech37> malicious*
01:48 < BrandonW> Which really means nothing.
01:48 < Pctech37> I was paid :)
01:48 < BrandonW> Congratulations.
01:48 < Tari> I'm stumped on this rsa key.
01:49 < Flash[GN]> hey
01:49 < Flash[GN]> Press 'preos()' to install it in the home application. If a kernel is already installed, PreOs won't do anything. You should uninstall it before (See the README of your previous kernel).
01:49 < BrandonW> What are you trying to do, Tari?
01:49 < Flash[GN]> I did that on the HOME
01:49 < Flash[GN]> and nothing happened
01:49 < Tari> p = 63 hex characters, and q is 65
01:49 < Flash[GN]> and I havnet installed another kernel
01:49 < i_c-Y> Flash[GN]: at the bottom of the screen it should say Preos installed or something
01:49 < BrandonW> What's wrong with that?
01:49 < i_c-Y> right below the data entry line
01:49 < Flash[GN]> oh
01:49 < Flash[GN]> yea
01:49 < Flash[GN]> it said
01:49 < Flash[GN]> DONE
01:49 < BrandonW> oh
01:49 < BrandonW> really
01:49 < BrandonW> well
01:49 < i_c-Y> hit shift then on
01:49 < BrandonW> im not suer
01:49 < Flash[GN]> lol
01:49 < BrandonW> what to do
01:49 < BrandonW> then
01:49 < Tari> but 65 characters is > 256 bits
01:49 < Flash[GN]> ok mmm
01:50 < Flash[GN]> i_c-Y can I pm you?
01:50 < Tari> I suppose the CLR is just silly, but..
01:50 < i_c-Y> no
01:50  * Flash[GN] smiles
01:50 < Flash[GN]> lol
01:50 < Flash[GN]> ok
01:50 < Flash[GN]> so then
01:50 < Flash[GN]> after installing preos
01:50 < Flash[GN]> I install mario?
01:50 < BrandonW> Stop pressing enter so much.
01:50 < BrandonW> It's annoying to scroll and read that.
01:50 < Flash[GN]> lol k:P
01:50 < i_c-Y> just copy mario on and launch it from preos
01:50 < Flash[GN]> i_c-Y where is preos ? should it appear on the menu?
01:50 < BrandonW> Tari, what is it you're trying to do?
01:51 < i_c-Y> press shift then on
01:51 < Tari> writing a bit friendlier OS signer
01:51 < i_c-Y> or read the manual, your call.
01:51 < i_c-Y> im going to ge tdinner now
01:51 < Flash[GN]> i_c-Y one more thing
01:51 < BrandonW> So where did this p and q come from?
01:51 < Flash[GN]> on the mario thing it says that when u drag the files it automaticly creates a folder named mario, but it doesnt
01:51 < Tari> Ben's thread on UTI.
01:52 < Flash[GN]> sihft = 2nd right?
01:52 < Tari> [And the converted hex matches what you have on your site]
01:53 < i_c-Y> no, theres a separate shift key
01:53 < i_c-Y> read the manual
01:53 < Flash[GN]> the green buttom?
01:53 < BrandonW> What, the 04 key? Is that what you're looking at?
01:54 < Flash[GN]> huh?
01:54 < Tari> Yeah, it's 04.
01:54 < BrandonW> We're more than happy to help, but honestly, it's day 1 of you having this thing. Read the manual. It's annoying to be asked a million simple questions that you can answer yourself.
01:54 < i_c-Y> do you not know what a shift key is?
01:54 < i_c-Y> damn it, why are kids so dumb these days?
01:54 < Flash[GN]> lolol
01:55 < Flash[GN]> I did read the manual
01:55 < Flash[GN]> im used to my old cassio calc
01:55 < BrandonW> Tari, I don't understand, what has you stumped?
01:55 < i_c-Y> its right above the freakin on key
01:55 < BrandonW> Oh good lord, a Casio kid.
01:55 < Flash[GN]> Casio's are friendlier :P
01:55 < BrandonW> Casio calculators are the most awful things ever.
01:55 < Pctech37> Is it possible to create a program to interface a ti83+ and a ti89t
01:55 < BrandonW> You did not just say that.
01:55 < Tari> p and q in an RSAParameters are both byte[32] objects
01:55 < BrandonW> Casio is 100% shit.
01:56 < Noah__> yes
01:56 < BrandonW> Tari, you're not going to be able to use those objects.
01:56 < BrandonW> You're going to have to do this big integer math yourself.
01:56 < Tari> So it seems
01:56 < i_c-Y> casio scientific is way better  than ti scientific
01:56 < Pctech37> False
01:56 < BrandonW> Pctech37, yes, we already said that.
01:57 < Flash[GN]> lol
01:57 < Flash[GN]> I did shift on, nothing happened
01:57 < Flash[GN]> I feel so stupid
01:57 < Flash[GN]> lol
01:58 < BrandonW> Tari, whatever big integer math library you use, all you have to do is take the MD5 hash and raise it to the d'th power mod n, so any kind of modPow function. To get d, it's the modular inverse of e mod (p-1)(q-1), so any kind of modInverse function.
01:58 < i_c-Y> did you install preos?
01:58 < BrandonW> The C# BigInteger library I was using has both of those functions.
01:58 < Flash[GN]> yea
01:58 < Flash[GN]> I did
01:58 < Flash[GN]> I did preos()
01:58 < Flash[GN]> and it said : Done
01:58 < Tari> Yeah, I just pulled up BigInteger
01:58 < i_c-Y> then from the home screen, press shift then on
01:58 < Flash[GN]> then I turned it off, and turned it on again, it says to do it again, and it said Archive first preos, then It ried shfit + on and nothing happened
01:58 < i_c-Y> then archive it
01:59 < Tari> I didn't want to try that since I tried IntX last time, which didn't do much in the way of operations
01:59 < Flash[GN]> I did
01:59 < i_c-Y> Tari: switch to java :)
01:59 < Flash[GN]> I mean, it says
01:59 < Tari> But BigIneger should do nicely.
01:59 < Flash[GN]> Archive Preos First
01:59 < Tari> And no, I refuse to use Java.. and .NET 4.0 will have a BigInteger class build in
01:59 < BrandonW> And my understanding is .NET 3.5 has some sort of integrated class.
01:59 < BrandonW> Or 4.0.
01:59 < Flash[GN]> how do I archive that after I exectued it?
01:59 < Tari> They cancelled that feature for 3.5 and pushed it back to 4
02:01 < Flash[GN]> how do I archive preos?
02:02 < BrandonW> Read the manual.
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02:04 < Flash[GN]> I did
02:04 < BrandonW> So you should know how to archive a variable.
02:04 < Flash[GN]> nope
02:04 < BrandonW> Then read it again.
02:05 < BrandonW> I'm talking about the Voyage 200 manual.
02:05 < Flash[GN]> lol
02:05 < BrandonW> The basics of using your calculator.
02:05 < Flash[GN]> I know
02:05 < Noah__> 2nd+mem
02:05 < BrandonW> No...
02:05 < BrandonW> That's the 83+.
02:05 < Flash[GN]> I cant find the section that says Archive a variable
02:05 < BrandonW> It's in the VAR-LINK menu.
02:05 < Noah__> .... thats what I meant Ive used the 83 to much lol
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02:07 <+glk> In the TI-89 var link menu has a f1 menu allowing archive
02:07 < Flash[GN]> yea
02:07 < Flash[GN]> I see preos
02:07 <+glk> Archived variable are more secure in a crash
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02:08 <@efneTI92> [_Auron|G1] We called it Sin.
02:09 < Flash[GN]> im in the VAR-LINK section, I can see preos, if I press enter of it , it returns me to the home window
02:09 < BrandonW> Read the manual.
02:09 < BrandonW> Last time I'm saying it.
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02:09 < BrandonW> Even glk told you how to do it.
02:09 < BrandonW> No one will help people that won't try to help themselves.
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02:10 <+glk> An archived variable can be run but not edited
02:10 < Noah__> use the online manual too the one that comes with it sucks
02:10 < Flash[GN]> Im trying -_-
02:10 < Flash[GN]> I do 2nd, VAR LINK, then Archive variable, I press it, and nothing happens
02:11 < Noah__> what did the manual tell you to do?
02:11 <+glk> an archived variable has a mark beside it in var link
02:11 < Flash[GN]> yea I archived it
02:11 < Flash[GN]> sec
02:11 <+glk> You can use F1  menu to unarchive it
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02:12 < Flash[GN]> FINALLY it says Kerned Installed
02:12 < Flash[GN]> YES!! it opened
02:12  * Flash[GN] smiles
02:13 <+glk> My url in MATH has much TI-89 data http://grahamkendall.net/
02:13 <+glk> ti-89 and Voyager are very similar
02:15 < Flash[GN]> glk
02:15 < Flash[GN]> after I move all the super mario files into my calc, I go into preos and I exec what?
02:16 <+glk> I do not know that material
02:18 <+glk> An archived program is moved into working memory while running, and then deleted there
02:18 < Flash[GN]> hmm
02:18 <+glk> If working memory if full, there is a problem
02:19 < Flash[GN]> ill do the backup 1st then, try to run it
02:19 < Flash[GN]> any other cool apps you recommend me ? im studying industrial engineer :P
02:20 <+glk> It is wise to backup programs to a computer
02:20 <+glk> Gamma function is a good program
02:20 < BrandonW> What does he like to eat?
02:21 < BrandonW> The industrial engineer you're studying.
02:21 <+glk> Laplace transform and inverse are good
02:22 < Flash[GN]> lolol
02:22 < Flash[GN]> he likes to eat cakes
02:24 <@_Auron_> WTF
02:25 <@_Auron_> media player classic decided to stop doing fullscreen and is just fullscreening with the original video size and black
02:25 < BrandonW> It's glitching like crazy for me right now.
02:25 < BrandonW> I'm resorting to VLC.
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02:30 <@efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
02:32 < bsparks> I have entirely too many IM services I use
02:32 < likeWOAH> yeah, especially because nobody wants to talk to you
02:32 < bsparks> that would explain the 400+ contacts, yeah
02:33 < likeWOAH> much like how on myspace everyone has a friend named Tom
02:33 < bsparks> I don't o.0
02:33 < Flash[GN]> BrandonW
02:33 < Flash[GN]> when I run mario , I do runmario() and it says TEXTFILE not found?
02:34 < BrandonW> How should I know? I didn't write Mario and never played it.
02:34 < BrandonW> Read the manual.
02:34 < likeWOAH> RTFM.
02:34 < BrandonW> Maybe you didn't send all the files.
02:34 < Flash[GN]> yea
02:34 < Flash[GN]> I did
02:34 < BrandonW> So why can't it find one?
02:34 < BrandonW> Maybe it should be archived or unarchived.
02:34 < Flash[GN]> mm
02:34 < Flash[GN]> I dont see any file named textfile
02:34 < Flash[GN]> on the ones it has the file
02:35 < BrandonW> Who cares what the names are? Send everything it came with.
02:35 < Flash[GN]> I did
02:35 < Flash[GN]> just a dumb question where is the / ?
02:35 < Flash[GN]> I found the other one, but not /
02:35 < Flash[GN]> lol
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02:36 < Flash[GN]> Then type mario/mario() in the home-screen to launch the game.
02:36 < Flash[GN]> I cant find /
02:36 < Flash[GN]> -_-
02:36 < Flash[GN]> its not 2nd + =
02:37 < bsparks> doesn't the v200 have a full keyboard?
02:37 < Flash[GN]> yea
02:37 < bsparks> thus, having shift, <>, and FN buttons
02:37 < Flash[GN]> yea, but I cant see the /
02:38 < Andy_J> the same / you use to divide two numbers?
02:38 < Randomist> Maybe it is the divide key?
02:38 < Randomist> Or maybe it a backslash.  I forget.
02:38 < Andy_J> \ is integer division in some BASICs
02:39 < Tari> But not TI-BASIC.
02:39 < Flash[GN]> yea
02:39 < Flash[GN]> its the divide
02:39 < Flash[GN]> Then type mario/mario() in the home-screen to launch the game.
02:39 < Flash[GN]> I got ERrror: Argument Error
02:39 < Flash[GN]> wow -_- how hard is to play mario bros on the voyage lol
02:39 < bsparks> I could have sworn filenames on the 89TE would have been mario\mario() 
02:39 < bsparks> \ not /
02:39 < Randomist> bsparks:  That is what I was thinking.
02:39 < bsparks> which is why, \ is above = on the full keyboard on the damn thing!
02:40 < Flash[GN]> yea
02:40 < Flash[GN]> but thats what it says on the readme
02:40 < bsparks> Flash[GN], did you _try_ mario\mario() ?
02:40 < Flash[GN]> yea
02:40 < BrandonW> It's not hard at all, you're just stupid.
02:40 < Flash[GN]> mario\mario()
02:40 < Flash[GN]> I did that, nothing happens
02:41 < Flash[GN]> I do mario/mario() it says invalid arguement
02:41 < Randomist> Maybe you're missing someting.
02:41 < Flash[GN]> I tried opening it with preos and it says Missing Textfile!
02:41 < Flash[GN]> but I copy pasted all the 17 files to the calc
02:41 < Flash[GN]> I can see the 17 files on the var-link
02:42 < Andy_J> it's definitely \
02:42 < Andy_J> I just checked
02:42 < bsparks> I always remember launching games from the var-link menu
02:42 < bsparks> [2nd] [-] hilight game, [enter] [enter] or something
02:42 < Randomist> bsparks:  I remember changing dirs, first.
02:43 < bsparks> Randomist, it's been like, 2 years easily, since I even touched a 68k TI
02:43 < Flash[GN]> I do runmario()
02:43 < Flash[GN]> it says Textfile not found!
02:43 < Randomist> Merthsoft:  You awake?
02:43 < i_c-Y> yeah well go bother kevin kofler about this stuff
02:43 < i_c-Y> he's the ti 89 expert
02:43 < bsparks> Flash[GN], did you read the readme for mario?
02:43 < i_c-Y> and v200 expert
02:43 < Merthsoft> Randomist: yeah
02:43 < i_c-Y> you can find him on freenode
02:43 < Flash[GN]> yea
02:43 < Flash[GN]> I did
02:43 < Andy_J> with the rest of the floss hippies
02:43 < Flash[GN]> I read the readme and archived all the files, and executed it the way it says
02:44 < bsparks> Flash[GN], then refer to the readme, and the readme's for any programs the readme refers to
02:44 < BrandonW> Who wants to take bets on how long it takes Kevin to ban this guy?
02:44 < Randomist> Merthsoft:  Maybe you can help him.  :P
02:44 < BrandonW> If he hasn't already.
02:44 < bsparks> BrandonW, I'm gonna go with, 16 lines
02:44 < Randomist> bsparks:  Which one?  :)
02:44 < Randomist> * BrandonW 
02:44 < Flash[GN]> bsparks
02:44 < Flash[GN]> heres the read me:
02:44 < Flash[GN]> http://tifreakware.net/lachprog/sm68kdoc/Super%20mario%2068K.html
02:45 < Flash[GN]> oh sec
02:45 < Flash[GN]> I think I got it
02:46 < bsparks> The file containing the in-game texts was not found. 
02:46 < bsparks> Make sure the file "ma_texts.MTXT" is stored in the "mario" folder.
02:46 < bsparks> If it isn't, move it to the "mario" folder or retransfer it to your calculator. 
02:46 < bsparks> Also see "Languages".
02:46 < Flash[GN]> yea
02:46 < Flash[GN]> The above item is protected on the target device
02:46 < mtgrss111> Nintendo Slips In Anti-Piracy Measures Into DSi Update
02:47 < Flash[GN]> thats what it says when I drag it...
02:47 < mtgrss111> haha losers
02:47 < bsparks> Flash[GN], then read the MANUAL about PROTECTED files
02:47 < BrandonW> mtgrss111, yeah, I got an e-mail about that saying don't upgrade your firmware no matter what.
02:47 < mtgrss111> I just won't update
02:47 < mtgrss111> there is NOTHING an upgrade could offer anyway that a flash cart doesn't do already
02:48 < BrandonW> Except offer libraries and internal routines that a certain game requires.
02:48 < BrandonW> Like what they do on the PSP.
02:48 < bsparks> mtgrss111, apparently it does facebook and other crap now too, and what BrandonW said
02:48 < mtgrss111> Which can be bypassed with upgraded firmware BrandonW
02:48 < mtgrss111> or a cracked game
02:49 < BrandonW> At least way back in the day, if I remember correctly, someone would release "open editions" or alterations of the firmware, so the game would have the updated image, but the anti-piracy crap is stripped out.
02:49 < BrandonW> You can't just crack the game easily, that's the problem.
02:49 < BrandonW> It's the firmware that needs the changing.
02:49 < bsparks> CFW ftw!
02:49 < mtgrss111> Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days had some piracy protection, but it was cracked in the first two weeks.
02:50 < BrandonW> There's all sorts of "piracy protection", it comes in so many forms.
02:50 < BrandonW> Some are piss easy to defeat.
02:50 < mtgrss111> <BrandonW> Except offer libraries and internal routines that a certain game requires.   <------ they won't do it since their games need to be compatible with earlier incarnations of the DS
02:51 < BrandonW> Every single game? Not a single DSi-specific game?
02:51 < mtgrss111> Or, it seems that would be a likely explanation
02:51 < mtgrss111> Dunno, to be honest.
02:51 < BrandonW> If there's such a thing as a "DSi-specific game", that point is moot.
02:52 < mtgrss111> but since none exist yet, or are announced for development, I think you would be correct.
02:52 < mtgrss111> I didn't know you had a DSi
02:52 < i_c-Y> they're supposed to have bonuses for the DSi. 
02:52 < BrandonW> I don't, which is why I'm speaking so vaguely.
02:52 < BrandonW> I don't know the first thing about the DSi.
02:52 < BrandonW> I just have a DS Lite.
02:52 < bsparks> DS Lite > DSi
02:52 < BrandonW> Why is that?
02:52 < bsparks> GBA slot
02:52 < bsparks> for add-ons
02:52 < mtgrss111> bullshit
02:53 < bsparks> Like the ones Guitar Hero uses :D
02:53 < bsparks> or that new piano game
02:53 < mtgrss111> Guitar Hero DS was terrible
02:53 < BrandonW> I would think there'd be a way to emulate it.
02:53 < BrandonW> Or redirect it.
02:53 < BrandonW> To point to an image on a slot 1 card.
02:53 < Flash[GN]> bsparks I was able to unprotect it, I sent the file
02:53 < bsparks> BrandonW, how would you control it?
02:53 < Flash[GN]> and still getting the same error
02:53 < BrandonW> How would you control what?
02:53 < bsparks> the GBA slot is used for a controller in a good few iterations of some games
02:54 < BrandonW> That I couldn't speak to.
02:54 < bsparks> 3 GH games use a Guitar fretboard, one GH game uses a drum cover, there's a piano keyboard that slips in there, obviously there are some other things, like tilt sensors etc
02:54 < i_c-Y> the nice thing about hte DSi is that it can be used with WPA and stuff
02:54 < BrandonW> I despise Guitar Hero.
02:54 < mtgrss111> actually bsparks, you are absolutely right. I'm sorry. DS Lite > DSi
02:54 < mtgrss111> i_c-Y
02:55 < mtgrss111> only with new games
02:55 < mtgrss111> old games can't use WPA
02:55 < i_c-Y> yes.
02:55 < bsparks> BrandonW, the point isn't the game, it's that they can use the GBA slot and the DS slot for one game, and can add functionality the DS never had I guess
02:55 < i_c-Y> id think they'd have implemented it in some seamless way though.
02:56 < BrandonW> Yeah, I agree, but I'm cool with just excluding those games since I hate them. It's like link play with old GBA games, you can't do that either.
02:56 < BrandonW> Which I'm fine with.
02:56 < BrandonW> Because I'm a lonely old fool and have no one to play with.
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02:56 < i_c-Y> it sucks if you're into games like pokemon though cause some decent pokmeon are needed in dongle mode.
02:56 < mtgrss111> dongle mode?
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02:57 < bsparks> I want someone to make, like, a little thumbpad for the GBA slot >.> for text entry, and combine it with some old text style RPGs
02:57 < Flash[GN]> i_c-Y could you help me really fast? Im really close :P
02:57 < i_c-Y> mtgrss111: its what putting a gba cart from a prev. gen is called to activate the special pokemon who appear from that generation
02:58 < i_c-Y> !k Flash[GN] shut up and read the fuckin manual.
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02:58 < Flash[GN]> i_c-Y ive read the manual, Ive done everything the read me says -_- and im still getting the same error
02:58 < bsparks> Flash[GN], turn off auto rejoin if you plan on residing in this chan at all
02:58 < Flash[GN]> lol
02:58 < mtgrss111> I wasn't aware it was called dongle mode
02:58 < Noah__> they're not kidding
02:59 < mtgrss111> Flash, they ain't kidding
02:59 < mtgrss111> they
02:59 < Noah__> are trolls
02:59 < Flash[GN]> ok... but ive read the manual =/ I just need help with this final thing
02:59 < mtgrss111> and will ban your ass
02:59 < Flash[GN]> I know ive been a pain in the ass =/ and stupid, im srry
02:59 < bsparks> mtgrss111, you watch it too
02:59 < BrandonW> The manual is 20+ chapters, how could you have possibly read it? You're lying.
02:59 < BrandonW> I spent all night reading the 89 manual the first day I got it.
02:59 < bsparks> BrandonW, v200 manual is a slim one >.>
02:59 < mtgrss111> geez, i don't think i ever read the manual
02:59 < bsparks> same with the 84+ manual
02:59 < BrandonW> Not the piece of shit it came with.
03:00 < BrandonW> The online one.
03:00 <+glk> The old 89 manual has more data then the 89t manual
03:00 < BrandonW> http://education.ti.com/
03:00 < bsparks> Ah, yeah
03:00 < Flash[GN]> BrandonW I read the sections I needed to read.
03:00 < Noah__> yea the v200 manual sucks but I have a old ti-92 manual from my dad
03:00 < bsparks> Flash[GN], read. it. all.
03:00 < BrandonW> No, you have no idea what you need because you haven't read the whole thing.
03:00 < bsparks> I have 12 manuals :)
03:00 < mtgrss111> I aquired a TI83+ yesterday
03:00 < mtgrss111> not sure what to do with it.
03:00 <+patz2009> glk's url has much TI-89 data in MATH
03:00 < BrandonW> mtgrss111, send it to me.
03:00 < Noah__> I have a ti83+ buttons suck on it
03:00 <+glk> http://grahamkendall.net/
03:00 < Flash[GN]> BrandonW Im getting the error that says Textfile not found, and Ive already unprotected the file, and re sent it and still getting the same thing.
03:01 < mtgrss111> BrandonW, wanna buy it?
03:01 < bsparks> Flash[GN], that is an error with the program, email the author.
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03:01 < BrandonW> For almost nothing. I can get one on eBay for nothing.
03:01 < mtgrss111> I'm sure I could sell it to SOMEONE at school for more than it's worth
03:01 < mtgrss111> What I need is a copy of Windows XP
03:01 < bsparks> BrandonW, if I mail you, an 84+SE, and a few bucks, would you engrave a signature into the cover and mail it back?
03:02 < BrandonW> Probably not since I suck at engraving.
03:02 < mtgrss111> Sharpie
03:02 < mtgrss111> Sharpie marker
03:02 < mtgrss111> yay
03:02 < bsparks> Sharpie works too, it rubs off eventually, but eh
03:02 < i_c-Y> at my highschool they took soldering irons to the graphing calculators and wrote the school's name with them.
03:03 < BrandonW> I believe that's sacrilege.
03:03 < i_c-Y> and it wasn't a cheap soldering iron either.
03:03 < BrandonW> No calculator should ever be damaged like that.
03:03 < mtgrss111> they did at my school too
03:03 < BrandonW> And that's what it is, kids...damage.
03:03 < bsparks> on the ride up to akron me and Merthsoft threw around the idea of sending an 83+ [ if I can find my working one I'll do that ] or an 84+ and getting famous calcers to sign it
03:03 < i_c-Y> it was one of those wellers with temperature control and everything
03:03 < mtgrss111> the bright yellow and black hornet ones
03:03 < bsparks> err, -akron +cleveland 
03:04 < BrandonW> I didn't realize you were asking because it's me.
03:04 < mtgrss111> that say SCHOOL PROPERTY
03:04 < BrandonW> I thought it was just because you wanted something etched in it.
03:04 < bsparks> BrandonW, hell no
03:04 < mtgrss111> BradonW doesn't feign modesty well
03:04 < Noah__> you should try to get like every major calc person to sign one calc then sell it
03:04 < mtgrss111> er
03:04 < bsparks> BrandonW, the point is to get, like, the entire Detached Solutions, MaxCoders, ticalc.org and some other teams, to sign it
03:04 < mtgrss111> Brandon!
03:04 < mtgrss111> BrandonW
03:04 < i_c-Y> mtgrss111: yes, these were the school edition ones but htey insisted on doing it anyway
03:05 < bsparks> and glk, glk should sign it too
03:05 < Noah__> with much ti-89 data
03:05 < i_c-Y> http://octopart.com/info/Cooper/WES51 that thing.
03:05 < i_c-Y> they went through a bunch of tips too
03:06 < BrandonW> In that case, I mean, I guess I will.
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03:07 < mtgrss111> and Nikky
03:07  * Randomist wants to try again to pull off a Creative Commons music collection.
03:07 < Randomist> (Or legally free, anyway.)
03:07 < bsparks> BrandonW, cool :D
03:07 < i_c-Y> well the only issue with that is that creative commons music generally sucks
03:07 < bsparks> I'll have to get my 83+, a silver sharpie, and mail it out here soon
03:07 < bsparks> the harder ones are gonna be, like, Ben, and tr1p
03:08 < Noah__> yea international
03:08 < Noah__> who would the list total?
03:08 < Randomist> i_c-Y:  The nice thing about that is that you can re-mix it.  :P
03:09 < i_c-Y> yeah but i want my music sounding good out of the box
03:09 < bsparks> Noah__, all of Detached Solutions that would agree to signing it. All of MaxCoderz staff that would agree to sign it. All of ticalc staff that would agree to sign it. And a few extras if those blankets don't cover it
03:09 < Merthsoft> I would want BrandonW, benryves, tr1p1ea, ummmmm
03:09 <+Netham45> I'll sign it!
03:09 < Randomist> I dump all my music on the Internet Archive with the sources and everything.
03:09 < Noah__> spencer calc84maniac Iambian
03:09 < Merthsoft> i think we should take a trip out to see BrandonW 
03:09 <+Netham45> :<
03:09 < Merthsoft> TN not too far
03:10 < Randomist> Most of my music would need a loooooot of love and re-writing before it could ever become "good."
03:10 < Noah__> I'm going to tenesse this weekend
03:10 < BrandonW> Where?
03:11 < Merthsoft> about 7 hours from here. bsparks and Andy_J come to granville and we'll go to BrandonW's house :P
03:11 < Noah__> not sure 
03:11 < bsparks> I'm game
03:11 < Merthsoft> note BrandonW has no choice ;)
03:11 < BrandonW> He even has my address. :(
03:11 < bsparks> You know, I think I'd have to do 2 calcs, one 84+ for the newer crowd, and the 83+ for like, the ORIGINAL TCPA staff, etc
03:12 < Merthsoft> you want more than i fdo'
03:12 < tonsofpcs> newer crowd?
03:12 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: get your shotgun out and defend your territory!
03:13 < Merthsoft> lol
03:13 < BrandonW> Wouldn't you like it more if I built the ultimate calculator (73 guts in an 83+ case converted to an 83+, no Flash execution protection, custom boot code, etc.) and sold it?
03:13 < tonsofpcs> i have many calcs.  1x 83p, 1x 83pse, 3x slide rules, 4x 4/6-function, etc....
03:13 < BrandonW> Are we going to play "Who has the most calculators?" now?
03:13 < tonsofpcs> oh, and i suppose the TRS-80 is more of a calculator than a computer, I mean the TI-83 has more power ;)
03:13 < bsparks> BrandonW, doesn't the guy that owns datamath have the most?
03:14 < Noah__> no we already know who won BrandonW
03:14 < bsparks> I would definately want Patrick Davidson to sign it
03:14 < BrandonW> Quite possibly.
03:15 < Merthsoft> i want an 82 just for nostalgia
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03:16 < Merthsoft> i remember mine breaking and me keeping thing together with tissues, twine, and tape
03:16 < BrandonW> My 82 has an 83+ style case.
03:16 < bsparks> I'm happy with my 83+ and 84+SE
03:17 < j-b-r> I have two 84+SEs because I am weird like that
03:17 < BrandonW> Me too!
03:17 < j-b-r> Yeah, but you also have about two dozen other calcs
03:18 < mtgrss111> MS Windows Xp pro Sp2 + Office 07 (both full version) for $59.99, yay or nay?
03:18 < tonsofpcs> depends
03:18 < Merthsoft> i had two, then i sent one to BrandonW 
03:19 < tonsofpcs> why do you want to run windows?  does the office 07 license allow you to run office 200x [not 7] instead?
03:19 < i_c-Y> mtgrss111: why would you buy that instead of windows 7?
03:19 < mtgrss111> i how much is windows 7?
03:19 < tonsofpcs> $FREE
03:19 < tonsofpcs> for the next year or so
03:20 < BrandonW> I've decided to just stay stuck in 2001.
03:20 < BrandonW> XP Pro.
03:20 < BrandonW> No Windows 7 for me.
03:20 < mtgrss111> could i install that on a computer that is totally blank?
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03:20 < mtgrss111> or is it just an upgrade?
03:20 < tonsofpcs> i've decided to stop running windows except in VMs
03:20 < mtgrss111> i like windows :/
03:20 < i_c-Y> its like 50 bucks, mtgrss111 for home premium
03:21 < Randomist> Or free.
03:21 < tonsofpcs> [and my dvd player, which is win2000]
03:21 < bsparks> I need to acquire or build a x86pc with a C2D in it
03:21 < i_c-Y> why C2D?
03:21 < bsparks> so I can dualboot OS X easier
03:21 < Randomist> I need to aquire a non-AMD quad-core.
03:22 < mtgrss111> I sucked up to the school's teacher admin last week while doing volunteer work and I got made into student administrator. She also dump some of the old Dells on me.
03:22 < i_c-Y> why not C2Q or Core i7?
03:22 < Randomist> (Or better.)
03:22 < bsparks> i_c-Y, C2D is also incredibly cheap to buy >.>
03:22 < mtgrss111> the hard drives were wiped (as per policy)
03:22 < bsparks> or if I get it secondhand, c2d is also cheap
03:22 < i_c-Y> you could go with a pentium dual core too for much cheaper but lose VT-x
03:23 < Randomist> Running Windows on VMs is almost better that running it on the actual machine (if you have the virtualization extensions).
03:23 < Randomist> You even get 3D acceleration (although it still needs some more work).
03:23 < BrandonW> Son of a bitch...my motherboard is backordered.
03:23 < BrandonW> Everything else comes Monday.
03:23 < BrandonW> Except that.
03:23 < i_c-Y> what motherboard?
03:23 < BrandonW> And that's the most important part.
03:23 < bsparks> i_c-Y, but OSx86 runs best, in my experiences, on a C2D
03:23 < BrandonW> A piece of junk Socket 775.
03:24 < i_c-Y> no i7 for BrandonW ?
03:24 < i_c-Y> :/
03:24 <+Netham45> i7's are still a bit expensive
03:24 < mtgrss111> if i try windows 7, will i be able to switch back to vista easily?
03:24 < bsparks> mtgrss111, you wouldn't want to
03:24 < Tari> awesome, visual studio hates me
03:24 < tonsofpcs> "back to vista" lol
03:24 < mtgrss111> but if i did? even so, isn't it just a trial version?
03:24 < Tari> it crashes when I try to extract a method from a chunk of code
03:25 < bsparks> i_c-Y, it's either build a c2d, go with some ~1.5GHz AMD, or convince Andy_J to get a new PC
03:25 < bsparks> and retire his current x86 to a media server thing, and retire THAT one to me
03:25 < bsparks> for temps
03:26 < mtgrss111> Watch the calendar. The RC will expire on June 1, 2010. Starting on March 1, 2010, your PC will begin shutting down every two hours. Windows will notify you two weeks before the bi-hourly shutdowns start. To avoid interruption, you'll need to install a non-expired version of Windows before March 1, 2010. You'll also need to install the programs and data that you want to use. (Learn more about installing Windows.) 
03:26 < bsparks> mtgrss111, that'll give you enough time [ almost a year ] to save up for Win7
03:26 < mtgrss111> maybe.
03:26 < i_c-Y> mtgrss111: whcih is perfectly sane considering that its shipping out in October 2009ish.
03:26 < mtgrss111> :/
03:27 < BrandonW> I refuse to use an unrelased OS.
03:27 < BrandonW> unreleased*
03:27 < mtgrss111> Same here.
03:27 < Randomist> lolwat?
03:27 < bsparks> I used XP before it was released
03:27 < bsparks> it was awesome :D
03:27 <+patz2009> 3 upgrade licenses for home premium cost $150, which is the most reasonable price for a Windows licenses I've ever seen
03:27 < mtgrss111> I want to be able to switch back to vista if the need arises
03:27 < BrandonW> XP didn't have ridiculous shut-down-every-2-hours restrictions.
03:27 < Randomist> The RTM is already out there.
03:27 < bsparks> BrandonW, the beta that came out right after Win2k did I thought
03:27 < Randomist> And I suppose the activation works.
03:27 < bsparks> I forget
03:28 < bsparks> mtgrss111, wait wait wait. Why are you replacing your OS?
03:28 < mtgrss111> i'm not replacing anything.
03:28 < bsparks> then why would you need Win7?
03:28 < mtgrss111> but i only have one cmputer, currently.
03:28 < Randomist> BrandonW:  You'll use an un-released OS on a calc, but not on a computer?  :P
03:28 < mtgrss111> i want to try win7, but i don't wanna screw anything up
03:29 < BrandonW> Randomist: yeah, because I'm the one writing it.
03:29 < bsparks> mtgrss111, D-D-D-D-D-DUAL BOOT >.<
03:29 < mtgrss111> :/
03:29 < bsparks> f-f-f-f-from a usb thumbdrive :D
03:29 < Randomist> V-v-v-virtualization!
03:29 < mtgrss111> I'm afraid to set that up. :(
03:29 < mtgrss111> It's a whole new world I know virtually nothing about
03:29 < bsparks> mtgrss111, virtualzation?
03:30 < mtgrss111> dual-boot, everything else, whatever
03:30 < bsparks> ...
03:30 < bsparks> go to bed
03:30 < BrandonW> No matter what you do here, it's temporary or requires attention or maintenance later. And I don't have the time, energy, or motivation to waste doing it.
03:30 < bsparks> you're too young to be up. Ever
03:30 < tonsofpcs> BrandonW: you can write linux and use that
03:30 < Randomist> Yeah, it's 2204, past your bet time.  :p
03:30 < Randomist> * bed
03:31 <@Nikky> mtgrss111: You called?
03:31 < Randomist> ^-- Not t(r)oll-tree.
03:31 < mtgrss111> yeah. you should engrave your name in calculators
03:31 <@Nikky> no, before that
03:31 < Randomist> * free
03:31 <@Nikky> you PMed me
03:31 < mtgrss111> hmm?
03:32 < mtgrss111> i MIGHT have done that.
03:32 < mtgrss111> But I forget what I said
03:32 <@Nikky> oh, okay
03:32 <@Nikky> cool
03:32 < mtgrss111> sorry
03:32 < mtgrss111> whatever it was, I guess it wasn't too important
03:33 < Randomist> <caps>Don't taze me, bro!</caps>
03:33 < BrandonW> Or it was and we're all screwed.
03:34 < mtgrss111> BrandonW: I don't think I'd ever have anything relevant to tell #tcpa
03:34 < mtgrss111> So you're hardly screwed.
03:34  * Randomist never does, either.
03:34 < BrandonW> What a coincidence, neither does anyone else!
03:34 < bsparks> !t Welcome to the #TCPA | The official TI-OS cryptographic signing key has been confirmed cracked! | Hanging out in Andy_J's hallway is cooler than hanging out in #tcpa
03:34 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to the #TCPA | The official TI-OS cryptographic signing key has been confirmed cracked! | Hanging out in Andy_J's hallway is cooler than hanging out in 
03:34 < bsparks> damnit
03:35 < bsparks> !t Welcome to the #TCPA | The official TI-OS cryptographic signing key has been confirmed cracked! | Hanging out in Andy_J's hallway is cooler than #tcpa
03:35 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to the #TCPA | The official TI-OS cryptographic signing key has been confirmed cracked! | Hanging out in Andy_J's hallway is cooler than #tcpa
03:35 < Randomist> BrandonW:  You should have lefte that.
03:35 < Merthsoft> he's got such a little hallway though
03:36 < bsparks> Merthsoft, well, I am also counting the resident evil moment yesterday
03:36 < bsparks> that's a hallway, in his building
03:36 < Merthsoft> hmm?
03:36 < Merthsoft> oh right
03:36 < Merthsoft> haha
03:36 < Randomist> My hallway is only one meter by one meter.
03:36 < mtgrss111> <BrandonW> What a coincidence, neither does anyone else! <--- First time I heard anyone else in here admit it besides Nikky
03:37 <@Nikky> admit what?
03:37 < bsparks> Best idea ever, you're in a dim hallway, the light at the bottom of a staircase is blinking, what does Andy_J do? Goes to investigate.
03:37 < Randomist> bsparks:  Make a game.
03:37 <@Nikky> oh, I see
03:38 < Randomist> Have _Auron_ port it to the G1.
03:38 < mtgrss111> ok, I googled "dual-booting", so i guess i'll give this a shot
03:39 < bsparks> $10 says he fucks it up
03:39 < Pctech37> $20 for me
03:39 < mtgrss111> >_>
03:39 < BrandonW> Dual booting's pretty common and automagical these days, at least to set up initially.
03:39 < Noah__> ONE MILLION DOLLARS for me
03:39 < BrandonW> To screw around with partitions after that, that can be scary.
03:39 < mtgrss111> anyone betting for? :(
03:40 < Randomist> Dual-booting is easy as reading the letter "A."
03:40 <@_Auron_> so is your dad
03:40 < Noah__> burnnnn
03:40 < Storm\_> lol
03:40 < BrandonW> You really don't even have to do anything anymore, it's just a couple of extra questions in the setup for whatever second OS you're installing.
03:41 < Randomist> _Auron_:  You mean the dad that waits eightteen years before deciding to meet his son?  :P
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03:41 < Storm\_> Gah, Flash + Linux + Stupid alcohol edu crap = a boring night :/
03:41 <@Nikky> ?
03:42 <@_Auron_> Randomist: A certain song comes to mind.
03:42 < mtgrss111> I bet a dollar I screw nothing up.
03:42 <+patz2009> Flash + Linux == a boring night
03:42 <+patz2009> haha
03:42 < Randomist> Storm\_:  And choppy video.
03:42 < mtgrss111> So I should be raking in the dough if I'm successful
03:44 < Storm\_> I'm reqired to take this stupid alcohol online course for school, and it yelled at me for using linux, then now that user agent switcher got it working I get and watch all these crappy 'educational' videos
03:45 <@Nikky> what are you going to
03:45 <@Nikky> somne private school bullshit?
03:45 < Randomist> You could bitch at the school, but then they will say, "You need to by Windows."
03:45 < Randomist> * buy
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03:46 < Storm\_> Randomist, their laptop requirements say you need windows, as well as it being 32bit with 4GB of ram, think about it
03:46 <+Netham45> lol
03:46 < Randomist> Four gigs!?  :P
03:47 < Storm\_> Yup but since they 'require' a 32bit os its useless
03:47 < Randomist> Ha.
03:48 <@Nikky> haha
03:48 <@Nikky> fail
03:49 <@Nikky> speaking of party
03:50 < Storm\_> here are the exact requirements "Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0Ghz processor or higher, 32bit Vista or Windows XP (Software will not run on Mac OS X), 4GB RAM minimum, 100GB Hard Disk Drive, 10/100Base ethernet Network Interface, DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive, Wireless LAN 802.11a/b/g/n, 4-year warranty
03:50 <@Nikky> http://www.washington.edu/computing/hardware/minimum.html
03:50 < Storm\_> http://www.marquette.edu/engineering/pages/AllYouNeed/freshmenlaptops.html
03:50 <@Nikky> but they don't really give a shithttp://www.washington.edu/computing/hardware/minimum.html
03:51 <@Nikky> since everything is compatable with all OSs and stuff
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03:51 < ports> hey Nikky
03:51 < ports> how was california
03:51 <@Nikky> wonderfully foggy and cold
03:51 <@Nikky> how are you?
03:51 < Storm\_> Yeah the tech guys at Marquette seem pretty stupid
03:52 < ports> Nikky, ah.. im thinking about going to Monterey Bay, CA for labor day..
03:52 <@Nikky> do it
03:52 < ports> Nikky, im not bad.. i got my car on saturday
03:52 < Storm\_> It makes me wish I had gotten into Michigan tech even more
03:52 < ports> the plane ticket roundtrip is $200 !!!
03:52 <@Nikky> our tech department is pretty awesome
03:54 < Storm\_> hmm it seems I could have gotten a Thinkpad T500 through Marquette for a discounted price.
03:55 < Storm\_> meh My Studio XPS was only a little more and is much nicer
03:55 <@Nikky> You should get a netbook
03:55 <@Nikky> and tell them to go fuck themselves
03:55 < Randomist> I have not been on a vacation since I was, maybe fifteen or sixteen.
03:56 < Randomist> The last place was White Sands/Roswell.
03:56 < Storm\_> Nikky, I wanted to but my dad said I needed to get a High end laptop and not a net book
03:57 < Storm\_> though I could have gotten a dell mini 10v with my XPS for only $150 more
03:57 <@Nikky> tell your dad to eff off
03:57 < i_c-Y> is marquette a state school?
03:57 <@Nikky> I hope not
03:58 <@Nikky> with that alchol awareness flash bullshit
03:58 < i_c-Y> ?
03:58 < Storm\_> i_c-Y, no
03:58 < i_c-Y> Marquette University is a private, coeducational, Jesuit, Roman Catholic university located in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1881, the school is one of 28 member institutions of the Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities. The university is accredited by the North Central Association of Colleges and Secondary Schools and currently has a student body of 11,500. Marquette is one of the largest Jesuit universiti
03:58 < i_c-Y> es in the United States, and the largest private university in Wisconsin. Marquette's largest college is the Helen Way Klingler College of Arts & Sciences.
03:58 <@Nikky> oh, hmm
03:58 < i_c-Y> why would you go there?
03:58 <@Nikky> Jesuit schools are odd
03:58 < Storm\_> Its a Private school
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03:59 < i_c-Y> you're near gonzaga, right Nikky ?
03:59 < Storm\_> i_c-Y, they have a very good engineering school, and my Mom is an Alum 
03:59 < Randomist> That sounds like some sort of cult.  :P
03:59 < Storm\_> But I still plan on transfering to Michigan tech if possible
03:59 <@Nikky> i_c-Y: yeah
04:00 <@Nikky> I know a few people who go there
04:00 < jr19> marquette has a good basketball team
04:00 < jr19> not that it matters
04:01 < Storm\_> hmm the ThinkPad through Marquette is $1,270 but it has Intigrated graphics and a smaller hdd, as well as not haveing a few of the other things I got in my XPS
04:02 < Storm\_> https://www.pdspc.com/marquette/pdf/t500.pdf
04:02 <@Nikky> usually intewantedgrated graphics are better
04:02 <@Nikky> cooler, less power
04:02 < Storm\_> yeah
04:04 < Storm\_> but if I want to be able to use this for some gaming once in a while the discrete card is worth it.
04:04 < bsparks> MFW http://www.amazon.com/IBM-USB-Keyboard-UltraNav-31P8950/dp/B00009APTK
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04:06 < Tari> neat
04:07 < ports> Nikky, i got some bad news on saturday
04:07 <@Nikky> what, you aren't as awesome as you thought you are?
04:07 < ports> im losing my private parking spot at the university... im going to have to park at the meters now....
04:07 < ports> no im awesome
04:08 < ports> which means i have to go feed the meters every 2 hours... AT WORK!
04:08 < ports> thats so dumb
04:08 <@Nikky> gee, take the bus
04:08 < ports> im guessing work will stay pay for my parking meter.. but thats just such a waste
04:08 < Randomist> zxixe.-
04:08 < Randomist> * Bike.
04:08 < ports> then again.. the university was charging $1640/yr for my parking spot
04:09 < Randomist> Run, even.
04:09 <@Nikky> train
04:09 < Storm\_> I want to stab alcoholedu.com in the face
04:09 <@Nikky> ghahahahah
04:10 < Storm\_> I mean seriously DIAF!
04:11 < BrandonW> Sounds like a good site to parody.
04:11 < BrandonW> Like the Anti Prom.
04:11 <@E-J> morning
04:11 < BrandonW> Only make it so it's impossible to actually log in and use.
04:12 < BrandonW> use it.*
04:12 < Storm\_> And their stupid video player is just horrible, even youtubes is better.
04:12 < Storm\_> besides the fact that the "audio Only" still uses flash
04:13 < Storm\_> I mean you don't need Flash to play dialog on a webpage.
04:13 < Storm\_> shankshankshankshankshankshankshankshankshankshankshank
04:13 < BrandonW> You really don't need Flash at all.
04:16 < Storm\_> no they don't they could use an embedded video player that way any media plugin would work.
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04:18 < Storm\_> or they could just get rid of the course all together and stop shoving this shit down our throats
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04:18 < Randomist> Storm\_:  Flash stream ripper.
04:19 < Randomist> You can point you media player to it.
04:19 < Randomist> Stream away.
04:20 < Storm\_> but the next button doesn't show up til the video is done playing, though you can just move the slider to the end
04:20 < Randomist> Too bad Gnash does not work better.
04:21 < Randomist> It has stream-ripping built in.
04:21 <@_Auron_> askdjfslgjwuenvfsuiof
04:21 < Merthsoft> haha
04:21 < Randomist> anhiohnihonuouohn!!!
04:22 < Randomist> That sounded kind of Eastern.
04:22 < mtgrss111> the iso is taking too damn long to dl
04:23 < Storm\_> lulz they change the questions slightly from the initial test so that what used to be an incorrect answer is now correct, just to trip you up 
04:23 < Storm\_> like changing height to Body weight so in the first one 'b' was wrong but the second time around its right
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04:26 < Storm\_> gah that means there were no right answers for some questions in the initial test thus forcing you to take the stupid course
04:27 < Storm\_> I passed yayz, now I get to wait a week and take the next part :(
04:29 < BrandonW> So I just finished watching Alone in the Dark.
04:29 < BrandonW> Rated the second worst movie ever.
04:29 < BrandonW> It's pretty bad.
04:29 < ports> BrandonW, whats it about
04:29 < BrandonW> Everything and nothing.
04:29 < BrandonW> It's horror sci-fi.
04:29 < ports> BrandonW, have you seen Taken?
04:29 < BrandonW> Christian Slater, Tara Reid.
04:29 < BrandonW> Yes, that's a good movie.
04:29 < ports> yeah i like Liam Neeson
04:30 < BrandonW> I will find you. And I will kill you.
04:30 < ports> im watching Friends right now... nothing else is on local tv
04:30 < ports> lol
04:30 < mtgrss111> I'm playing Pokemon Crystal while I wait for shit to dl
04:30 < BrandonW> I think I was half asleep or something the first time I watched Taken.
04:30 < BrandonW> So I think I might watch it again.
04:32 < BrandonW> There are 3 switches in my apartment I just cannot figure out what they do.
04:32 < BrandonW> Never could.
04:32 < ports> BrandonW, fans?
04:32 < BrandonW> They don't control lights, no nearby outlets...
04:32 < BrandonW> No fans.
04:32 < ports> someone probably removed the fan fixtures
04:32 < ports> but the wiring is still in place
04:33 < BrandonW> I mean, the fan is there, but other switches control it.
04:33 < ports> oh
04:33 < bsparks> BrandonW, apartment?
04:33 < ports> bsparks, parents basement
04:33 < BrandonW> No, apartment.
04:34 < mtgrss111> I thinks it's cool how the PSP emulator emulates the time change correctly for Pokemon even if I turn the system off or play it in fastmode
04:34 < Tari> man, I totally got sidetracked
04:34 < ports> bsparks, he said apartment a few lines ago already
04:34 < Tari> I was working on something in visual studio
04:34 < Tari> and now I'm looking at Gundam models on Amazon..
04:34 < ports> Tari, did you see the big gundam
04:34 < Storm\_> ll
04:34 < Storm\_> lol*
04:34 < Tari> what do you mean, ports?
04:34 < BrandonW> Two of the switches are in each bedroom, and they don't have fans, so that might make some sense.
04:34 < BrandonW> But there's one in the living room by itself that makes no sense.
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04:45 <@E-J> friend have said in other channel: "Diesel sees himself in mirror, so it's vin-vin situation"
04:45 < bsparks> BrandonW, can you hilight me, hilight me in an action, /notice me, and /msg me? I need to test something
04:45 < BrandonW> I'm talking to bsparks.
04:45  * BrandonW is talking to bsparks.
04:45 < bsparks> ah, thanks :)
04:47 < bsparks> it's sad, apple provides a pretty system-wide... system... for badges for dock icons, so you know when you have an alert, etc. Red circles with a white outline, and a number. Simple really. Except... next to no non-apple apps use it! :/
04:48 < bsparks> I would think someone would take advantage of it more often, it's nice
04:49 < BrandonW> GRRRRR
04:49 < BrandonW> The speakers I got don't have a long enough wire between them.
04:49 < BrandonW> Because of the three monitors.
04:49 < BrandonW> I can't put them on each side.
04:50 <@E-J> do they use normal 3.5mm plug or something else because for 3.5mm there is extensions available
04:51 < BrandonW> It's a direct line between them.
04:51 < BrandonW> I can't unplug it.
04:51 < BrandonW> I'd have to splice it.
04:52 <@E-J> damn
04:54 < BrandonW> Finally found my 83+...
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05:26 < sir_lewk> can someone give me an example of a prefix expression?
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05:27 < mtgrss111> is it possible to run windows 7 from a partition on an external hard drive?
05:27 < Randomist> sir_lewk:  Expression-prefix.
05:27 < BrandonW> I really wouldn't.
05:27 < BrandonW> Unless it was eSATA.
05:27 < Tari> + 3 5
05:27 < sir_lewk> something more complex preferably
05:28 < sir_lewk> -5+*527 is valid right?
05:28 < Randomist> Google.  :P
05:28 < Tari> that doesn't make sense
05:28 < Randomist> I forgot how to do those.
05:28 < Tari> + * A B / C D
05:29 < mtgrss111> BrandonW, that makes sense. You're right.
05:29 < Tari> multiply A by B, divide C by D, then add the results
05:29 < sir_lewk> ya, cool
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05:36 < mtgrss111> i need 3 moniters
05:37 < BrandonW> It's pretty sweet.
05:37 < mtgrss111> but i lol when i think what I'm gonna do with all of this garbage when i go to college.
05:37 < mtgrss111> i guess i'll pass it on to my siblingz
05:38 < Tari> no, you'll use it
05:38 < Tari> I need two
05:38 < Tari> but the parentz are like "You don't even do your work with one.."
05:38 < mtgrss111> it depends
05:38 < mtgrss111> If I drive to Virginia, I might bring them.
05:39 < Tari> Distration/time wasted goes down with two monitors vs one
05:39 < Tari> quicker task switches, or just quicker to change what you're looking at
05:39 < BrandonW> I couldn't live without 3.
05:39 < BrandonW> I have 3 at home and 3 at work.
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05:40 < sir_lewk> is there an easier way to evaluate prefix expressions algorithmically than converting them to postfix expressions first?
05:41 <@Nikky> yes
05:41 < Tari> I bet you could do something neat and recursive
05:41 < sir_lewk> do tell good sir
05:42 < Tari> something like take the string, find an operator + its operatees, then call this function again
05:42 < Tari> if you have just numbers as operatees, do the operation, and return the result
05:42 < Tari> otherwise keep drilling down
05:44 < sir_lewk> hmm
05:45 < sir_lewk> far more complex than evaluating postfix expressions
05:50 < mtgrss111> ok, everything's prepared, I'm gonna install it. talk to you guys later.
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06:07 < BrandonW> And that's the last we'll see of him.
06:09 < BrandonW> How cheap could I get a network printer?
06:09 <+Netham45> http://xkcd.com/595/ lol
06:10  * _Auron_ strangles himself
06:12 < sir_lewk> aaaah
06:12 < sir_lewk> I queue up the entire prefix expression then evauluate it with a stack
06:13 < Randomist> "you should buy amd - because all amd cpus have hardware virt and nested pages, speeding up virtualization. unlike intel were only selcted cpus have hardware virt - and you have to choose between raw speed, sse versions and virtualization..."  Really?
06:14 < Tari> only if you're an amd fanboy :)
06:19 <+Netham45> Randomist, I don't believe that, personally.
06:20 <+Netham45> I don't know enough to say either side conclusively, though.
06:20 < Randomist> I know the part about the nested pages isn't true -- you have to have a K10 for that.
06:23 < mokomull> And most virtualization technologies are *still* faster without hardware support
06:24 < Randomist> Apparently, you have to have hardware virtualization if you want to use SMP, though.
06:24 < mokomull> BrandonW: I've used one of http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828113291, and the damn thing is REALLY GOOD about sharing on the network.
06:24 < Randomist> At least with VirtualBox, anyway.
06:25 < mokomull> BrandonW: That printer gets autodetected over the network even in Linux.  Works great.
06:25 <+Netham45> mokomull, "We apologize for the inconvenience, but the item you are looking for has been deactivated."
06:26 <+Netham45> wait, my clients including the ','
06:26 <+Netham45> nevermind.
06:27  * Randomist needs to fix his client (or, rather, his terminal) so that it will take URIs that go on multiple lines.
06:27 < Randomist> * make clickable
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06:28 < Joe_> wow. things work :/
06:29 < Joe_> Now that Win7 is installed, which features should I look for to impress me?
06:29 < Joe_> (not that I'm not lready impressed or anything)
06:30 < Randomist> RAM usage?  :P
06:31 < Randomist> Are you using the RTM?
06:31 < Joe_> RTM?
06:31 < mokomull> Joe_: You seem to be in Texas... Houston?
06:31 < mokomull> Joe_: Release-to-manufacture.
06:32 < Joe_> I don't think so, I downloaded an evaluation copy :/
06:32 < mokomull> is it RC1?
06:32 < Joe_> And yeah, how did you know my location? The IP?
06:32 < Joe_> RC1?
06:33 < mokomull> Joe_: Yeah.  I'm in Texas too, so I note when people come in with *.tx.* in their hostname.
06:33 < Joe_> oops
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06:34 < mokomull> ohhhhhhhhhh okay, we've had this conversation before :D
06:34  * DSP_Lord slaps mokomull around a bit with a large trout
06:34 < mtgrss111> yeah, sorry :P
06:34 < mokomull> DSP_Lord: Why the trout slapping?
06:34 <@_Auron_> fuuuuuuuck
06:34 < DSP_Lord> because i can?
06:34 < mokomull> _Auron_: ?
06:34 < DSP_Lord> also, that's kind of my way of saying hi. <_<
06:34 <@_Auron_> I'M SO CLOSE TO FINISHING STROIDS
06:34 <@_Auron_> FUCK FUCK FUCK OMG <_o
06:35 < mokomull> DSP_Lord: Hi :)
06:35 < mtgrss111> How can I tell if it's release cantidate 1?
06:35 < DSP_Lord> hi mokomull :D
06:35 < mokomull> uhm ... hit windows+pause?
06:35 < mtgrss111> ?
06:36 < mokomull> press and hold the windows key, press and release the pause key, release the windows key
06:36 < mokomull> should bring up the system settings which includes some info about the OS
06:36 < mtgrss111> ok, but I was already there.
06:36 < mokomull> :P
06:37 < mokomull> should have a build number listed
06:37 < mtgrss111> I still don't see what I should be seeing
06:37 < mtgrss111> 7100
06:37 < mtgrss111> Build 7100
06:37 < mokomull> yeah, that's the RC.
06:38 < mtgrss111> so, what does this mean?
06:38 < mokomull> that's not the actual version that will be released.  And in March 2010, your computer will start shutting itself off after 2 hours
06:39 < mtgrss111> yes, i know all this
06:39 < mokomull> Then that's about it.
06:39 < mtgrss111> It was advised I make a partition and Dual Boot
06:39 < mtgrss111> So I did.
06:40 < mtgrss111> It only supports 2 of my resolution modes? o_O
06:41 < mokomull> I was pleased to see the right-click menu on the desktop include a "Change resoultion" item
06:41 < mtgrss111> yeah, but I can't access my best resolution
06:41 < Randomist> True or false:  if you are left brain-dominant, you will work better in a CLI, but if you are right brain-dominant, you will work better in a GUI.
06:42 < mokomull> The first part's pretty true, but I dunno about the second part.
06:42 < BrandonW> What exactly does left brain dominant mean?
06:44 < Randomist> You use that side more than you do the right, and vise versa.
06:44 < mtgrss111> I can't access my nvidia settings.....
06:44 < mtgrss111> :(
06:45 < BrandonW> Okay, but how do I know I use that side more?
06:45 < BrandonW> Being left- or right-handed? What?
06:45 < mokomull> BrandonW: I can almost assure you Wikipedia knows more than #tcpa about that...
06:46 < Randomist> Either that or this trick:  http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5675247,00.gif
06:46 < BrandonW> I would expect Randomist to answer because he brought it up.
06:46 < BrandonW> If he doesn't, he should shut up about it.
06:47 < mokomull> hehe, agreed :)
06:47 < DSP_Lord> <_<
06:48 < Randomist> Maybe I got some word-choice wrong, but no one is correcting my English, so I am guessing it is right so far.  :P
06:48 < mtgrss111> oh sweet, Win7 was very good about updating my drivers.
06:48 < mtgrss111> I gotta restart.
06:49 < mtgrss111> seeya
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06:50 < BrandonW> You pasted a picture with no explanation.
06:50 < BrandonW> More googling reveals that I'm left brain dominant.
06:51 < BrandonW> So I don't require pretty pictures and a UI to work. I'm not offended.
06:51 < BrandonW> Are you right-handed, Randomist?
06:52 < Randomist> Yes.
06:52 < j-b-r> Ok, I do not buy that right handed people are more likely to be productive in a CLI
06:52 < j-b-r> Sorry, but most people are right handed, and most people use GUIs
06:53 < j-b-r> In fact, many of the people I know in person who use CLIs at all (myself included) are left handed
06:53 < Randomist> I think what I meant more is if it was an icon-environment versus a text-only environment.
06:53 < Tari> handedness has little to nothing to do with it
06:53 < Tari> I'm also left-handed
06:53 < j-b-r> Randomist: Ah, I see where you are going with this
06:54 < j-b-r> Not so much the interface itself as what parts of the interface they pay attention to
06:54 < j-b-r> Being left handed (and, by assumption, right brained) I think I actually do pay more attention to _where_ things are in the interface than to specifically what the words written on them say
06:55 < j-b-r> I locate files in a directory by where I remember them being spatially, for instance, rather than by looking for a specific keyword (at least I look at the spot where I think it is first, anyway)
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06:55 < BrandonW> So what does it mean that I'm left-handed but the test says I'm left-brained?
06:55 < j-b-r> That you are just cool like that?
06:56 < BrandonW> I'll take it.
06:56 < mtgrss111> you have two left brains
06:56 < j-b-r> No, it just means you're a nerd
06:56 < j-b-r> You are left handed, like many nerds
06:56 < j-b-r> But also logical-brained
06:56 < j-b-r> Except I don't buy that test result
06:56 < mtgrss111> I'm right handed :/
06:56 < j-b-r> I think you just answered in the left brained mode because that was what it made sense to do
06:57 < j-b-r> But I am thinking that you probably show some right brained tendencies like me...
06:57 < BrandonW> The dancer was going counter-clockwise, that's all I know.
06:57 < j-b-r> Ok, no one seems to be understanding what I'm saying here... I'm probably offending people with extreme loyalty to their right hands or something...
06:58 < Randomist> The image-test said I am left, the "choose-between-two-things"-test said I am left, and three othere sources say I am left, and I write with my right, so, maybe I am left.  :P
06:58 < j-b-r> Wait, that spinning image can be seen to spin both ways?
06:58 < j-b-r> That didn't even occur to me
06:58 < BrandonW> lol
06:58 < j-b-r> Ok, darn, maybe that means it is a reliable test
06:58 < j-b-r> A reliable test of your dominant eye, anyway
06:59 < j-b-r> But I already knew my left eye was dominant
06:59 <+Netham45> Anyone want to buy a modded Xbox 360?
06:59 < mtgrss111> modded?
07:00 <+Netham45> It plays burned games.
07:00 < mtgrss111> how much?
07:00 <+Netham45> I'm hoping for $200, with all my games and 2 controllers.
07:00 < BrandonW> Good lord, now there's eye dominance?
07:00 < BrandonW> How do I test that?
07:00 < mtgrss111> ehh.....
07:00  * Randomist looks on his contact prescription.
07:00 < j-b-r> I think that is what the dancer test does
07:01 < mtgrss111> Sorry. Just not a purchase I can do now.
07:01 < j-b-r> I remember doing it some other way too though
07:01 < BrandonW> Which drive is it, Netham45?
07:01 < j-b-r> Something to do with holding your hand in front of your face and then closing one eye
07:01 < BrandonW> I would mod mine but it's that impossible-to-get-into-mode-B one.
07:01 < j-b-r> and see which eye makes it move less
07:01 <+Netham45> BrandonW, Ben-Q
07:01 <+Netham45> it's already modded.
07:01 < j-b-r> So if it moves less when you look out of your left eye, you are left-eyed
07:02 < Randomist> My left needs a -4.5[ and my right, a -3.75.  :P
07:02 < Randomist> > -4.50
07:02 < BrandonW> Your hand appears to move when you close one eye?
07:02 < BrandonW> I don't get that.
07:02 < BrandonW> With either.
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07:03 <+Netham45> My hand looks the same when I close one of the other eye.
07:03 < j-b-r> Look, where does it look like it is with both eyes open?
07:03 < j-b-r> Now, close one eye.
07:03 < j-b-r> Did it move relative to the background or stay in the same place?
07:03 <+Netham45> Looks the same to me, on either eye.
07:03 < j-b-r> Ok, then you aren't doing it right
07:04 < BrandonW> I think I see what you're saying, but I still can't really tell.
07:04 < j-b-r> Unless your eyes are like a milimeter apart
07:04 < j-b-r> This is just how stereoscopic vision works, people
07:04 < BrandonW> I guess it moves left with my right eye.
07:04 < BrandonW> less*
07:04 < BrandonW> So I'm right-eyed?
07:04 < BrandonW> Left-handed, left-brained, right-eyed?
07:04 < j-b-r> RIght eye open, that is?
07:05 < j-b-r> Brain and body reverse, btw
07:05 < BrandonW> When I close my right eye, it moves less.
07:05 < Tari> makes sense
07:05 < j-b-r> Ok then, no you are left eyed
07:05 < Tari> ...
07:05  * Tari --> bed
07:05 < j-b-r> The left eye is sending the image you see with both eyes open, in other words
07:05 < Randomist> Our eye configuration is the sux.
07:05 < j-b-r> It works pretty well for us
07:05 < j-b-r> Being bipedal creatures in a world with gravity
07:06 < BrandonW> So my results are consistent? Everything left?
07:06  * Tari glues some compound lenses to Randomist's eyes
07:06 < j-b-r> No, that is inconsistent
07:06 < j-b-r> YOur brain should be the opposite of everything else
07:06 < Tari> I'm the same way (left-left-left)
07:06 < Randomist> The nerves have to go all the way to the back of the head and through the brain.
07:06 < j-b-r> The right brain controls the left side of hte body
07:06 < BrandonW> So I'm the opposite of the opposite. But not quite normal.
07:06 < j-b-r> So something is wrong with the results
07:07 < j-b-r> If you are left eyed and left handed, I would thing you are really right brained
07:07 < BrandonW> So why does the dancer go counter-clockwise?!
07:07 < j-b-r> I don't know, really, this is practically pseudoscience anyway... No real doctors or whatever use this stuff anymore
07:08 < Randomist> Except BrandonW seews way too logical to be right.
07:08 < Randomist> * seems
07:08 < j-b-r> Look, the flaw in the whole idea is that the left and right brains are so different
07:08 < j-b-r> Everyone has read A Scanner Darkly, right?
07:08 < j-b-r> Well in reality it is mroe like that
07:08 < j-b-r> Both brains can do both things
07:08 < BrandonW> I saw a few minutes of the movie.
07:08 < j-b-r> And that is why lobotomies seemed like such a good idea at the time
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07:10 < Randomist> Too bad apparently only one side of the brain can truly multitask, or at least, according to what I've been reading.
07:10 < Randomist> It's annoying not being able to focus on more than one thing at a time.
07:10 < j-b-r> Well lobotomies didn't actually work all _that_ well you know
07:10 < j-b-r> We do still need both halves of our brains
07:11 < BrandonW> Are you implying that left-handed people get more done at once?
07:11 < j-b-r> Uh, I wasn't...
07:11 < Randomist> Ditto.
07:11 < BrandonW> I meant Randomist.
07:11 < BrandonW> He's saying he can only focus on one thing at a time.
07:11 < BrandonW> And he's right-handed. And I'm confused on what he is with the others.
07:12 < Randomist> Try to draw a circle with one hand and a square with the other at the same time.
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07:13 < BrandonW> So it just sucks to be alive no matter how you're configured?
07:13 < Randomist> There was a documentary, where some guy had a surgery, and he can do this.
07:13 < Randomist> Brain is really interesting thing to study sometimes.
07:14 < BrandonW> Ogg say brain is interesting too.
07:14 < Randomist> * The...a
07:14 < j-b-r> Chopping up peoples brains was probably lots of fun for all the doctors in the 50s and 60s
07:14 < BrandonW> That's how you do multiple corrections? An ellipsis?
07:14 < j-b-r> lol@that
07:14 < j-b-r> I don't think that is a convention
07:14 < BrandonW> I know, I just mean Randomist.
07:15 < BrandonW> He has his own rules.
07:15 < BrandonW> He's interesting to study, too.
07:15 < Randomist> BrandonW:  There's a standard for that?
07:15 < BrandonW> No, I'm just curious how you do it.
07:15 < BrandonW> I do one per line, asterisk at the end with no spacing.
07:15 < BrandonW> And two asterisks naturally if I'm correcting a correction.
07:15 < Randomist> I like to try to put things on one line.
07:16 < j-b-r> I need to go sleep at this point...
07:16 < BrandonW> Me and Randomist together is too much for any sane person.
07:16 < Randomist> Who?
07:16 < mtgrss111> wierd.
07:16 < Randomist> Oh.
07:17 < mtgrss111> versioning me says I am currently using Vista
07:17 < BrandonW> Sounds about right.
07:17 < mtgrss111> :/
07:18 < Randomist> I never got a version reply from myself.
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07:18 < mtgrss111> my cat is sprawled over 3 keyboards
07:18 < Randomist> * IRC clent
07:18 < BrandonW> Cats are pretty much useless.
07:18 < Randomist> mtgrss111:  Long cat is long.
07:19 < BrandonW> Why does anyone have a pet? Companionship? Cats don't want that.
07:19 < BrandonW> Cats want you to provide food and shelter and to leave them alone.
07:19 < BrandonW> You get nothing from that arrangement.
07:19 < Randomist> BrandonW:  Tell that to Kris K.
07:19 < DSP_Lord> BrandonW: the cat practically jumping all over me begs to differ.
07:19 < mtgrss111> My cat eats mice.
07:19 < BrandonW> Who is Kris K?
07:20 < Randomist> BrandonW:  The resident Goth/Metal/Alt/Raver/Hippy guy here.
07:20  * _Auron_ throws a key lime pie at tr1p1ea
07:20 < DSP_Lord> BrandonW: krisk, apparently.
07:20 < DSP_Lord> makes sense.
07:20 < BrandonW> Now that name makes sense.
07:21 < BrandonW> I've never met a Kris I liked.
07:21 < DSP_Lord> lol
07:21 <@_Auron_> I SHALL NOT SLEEP UNTIL THIS IS DONE
07:21  * _Auron_ has been awake for 33 hours
07:21 < BrandonW> What is THIS?
07:21 < mtgrss111> My cat just kicked my hands of the keyboard o_O
07:21  * Randomist puts a "T" where the space is between the "S" and the "I."
07:22 <@_Auron_> BrandonW: Stroids
07:22 < BrandonW> The whole thing?
07:22 <@_Auron_> yes.
07:22 < mtgrss111> What is Stroids?
07:22 <@_Auron_> mtgrss111: Game for Android I've been working on for almost 3 months now
07:22 < Randomist> mtgrss111:  Astroids and a drug trip
07:22 < BrandonW> I've decided to watch TV or something instead of working on OS2, until it's time to go to work.
07:22 < Randomist> For the G1.
07:22 < DSP_Lord> the only thing _Auron_ has been talking about for the past forever.
07:22 < mtgrss111> Jesus, _Auron_, go the fuck to bed.
07:23 < BrandonW> I've never seen Fight Club.
07:23 <@_Auron_> mtgrss111: ALL I HAVE TO DO IS FINISH SFX AND THE GAMEPLAY MUSIC
07:23 < BrandonW> I think I'll do that.
07:23 <@_Auron_> THEN I CAN PUBLISH AND GO TO BED
07:23  * _Auron_ screams more
07:23 < Randomist> RAAAAAAAGE!!!!
07:23 < mtgrss111> AND IF YOU MAKE MISTAKES WHILE TIRED?!
07:23 < BrandonW> Braaaaaaains...
07:23 <@_Auron_> mtgrss111: Coding is already done
07:23 < mtgrss111> Then stop freaking out.
07:23 < mtgrss111> And finish the damn thing.
07:24 <@_Auron_> I'm working on it
07:24 <@_Auron_> damn it
07:24 < BrandonW> He just likes to get mad.
07:24 < BrandonW> Understandable.
07:24 < Randomist> It's the Internets.
07:24 < BrandonW> To an extent.
07:24 <@_Auron_> No I don't,.
07:24 <@_Auron_> I like to express myself.
07:24 < Randomist> Who does not like to get mad on the Intertet?
07:24 < BrandonW> Okay, you like to express yourself.
07:24 <@_Auron_> when I'm in a euphoric state of mind
07:24 < BrandonW> And you're often mad.
07:24 < Randomist> Or the "Internet," even?
07:24 <@_Auron_> Frustrated.
07:24 <@_Auron_> Not mad.
07:24 <@_Auron_> Right now I'm not frustrated
07:24 <@_Auron_> I'm EXCITED
07:24 <@_Auron_> BWAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAH
07:24  * Randomist has never gotten mad on the Internets.  Nope.  Not even once.
07:24 <@_Auron_> And I bit insane.
07:25 <@_Auron_> a bit*
07:25 <@_Auron_> wow
07:25 < BrandonW> This is what makes Randomist scary.
07:25 < BrandonW> He will go postal one day.
07:25 < BrandonW> And I don't want to be around when it happens.
07:25 < mtgrss111> I want to see it.
07:25 < mtgrss111> From space.
07:25  * Randomist has music.
07:26 < Randomist> Music is the key.
07:26 <@_Auron_> You wanna know what song is stuck in my head?
07:26 <@_Auron_> And has been for the past 1 1/2 hours?
07:26 < tr1p1ea> super mario theme?
07:27 < DSP_Lord> E1M1?
07:27 <@_Auron_> Rockin' Robin.
07:27 < mtgrss111> Speaking of asteroids, check out xkcd.
07:27 <@_Auron_> o_o
07:27 < DSP_Lord> XD
07:27 < Randomist> Haha.
07:27 <@_Auron_> It won't go away!
07:27 < Randomist> "Blow, Rockin' Robbin, 'cause we're really gonna party tonight..."
07:27 < Randomist> * rock tonight
07:28 <@_Auron_> fuck
07:28 < mtgrss111> I need to sleep now.
07:28 < mtgrss111> See you all later.
07:28 < Randomist> "Sleep is for the weak."
07:28 < mtgrss111> You never heard me say otherwise :/
07:29 < mtgrss111> Now I'm dragging my weak ass to bed.
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07:29 < BrandonW> I don't understand XKCD.
07:29 <@_Auron_> Because you're dumb.
07:29  * Randomist gets anothe irea and runs to his music composition software.
07:29 <@_Auron_> Or not
07:29 < BrandonW> Why are you being an ass?
07:29 < BrandonW> Finish your game and go to bed.
07:30 <@_Auron_> :|
07:30 < DSP_Lord> BrandonW: there really isn't much to be understood.
07:30 < DSP_Lord> it's rather random, imo.
07:30 < BrandonW> Is that a flower in the final frame?
07:30 < BrandonW> Is it implying he was on Earth or something?
07:31 < BrandonW> And no space suit...
07:31 < BrandonW> I guess that's it.
07:31 < DSP_Lord> also, scrolling over the image to see the alt-text is rather helpful sometimes >_>
07:31 < BrandonW> It doesn't help me.
07:31 < BrandonW> I don't know what Little Prince is.
07:32 < Randomist> I wish I had a sample of Kevin O. screaming, "Just fucking stop!!"
07:33 < BrandonW> Why's that?
07:33 < Randomist> To play around with in LMMS.
07:37 < sir_lewk> what episode of southpark or futurama should I watch?
07:37 <@E-J> s9e12
07:38 < sir_lewk> I saw that one yesterday :)
07:38 < DSP_Lord> lol
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07:38 < DSP_Lord> also, hello E-J
07:38 <@E-J> hello dsp
07:39 <@E-J> more work, less irc
07:40 < BrandonW> Nonsense.
08:05 <@Nikky> Nonsense
08:13 <@_Auron_> holy fucking shit
08:13 <@_Auron_> I went to show my sister the sfx I made for the menu and she took my phone and started playing the game and got addicted like *that*
08:13 <@_Auron_> she never plays arcade games either
08:14 <@_Auron_> also, every sound effect I made tonight sounds superb, I impressed myself
08:18 <@Nikky> Will there be a linux port?
08:18 < nicolas> morning everyone
08:20 <@Nikky> hey nicolas 
08:20 <@Nikky> What's crackin?
08:23 < nicolas> nothing much... sorta settled now in my new home
08:25 < nicolas> I only have to build the kitchen furniture and buy a TV .... oh and internet but i'm doing that tomorrow.... and then, i'm done :D
08:25 < tr1p1ea> you have to build the internet?
08:25 < nicolas> technically "buy" would be more correct as it's the last verb I used...
08:26 < tr1p1ea> how can you buy something that is not yet built?
08:26 < nicolas> TV is already built... and so is the internet
08:27 < tr1p1ea> lazy
08:28 < nicolas> that's hardly helping ;-)
08:28 < nicolas> so now I have two hard tasks
08:28 < nicolas> choosing a TV and choosing the mobile phone I want
08:34 <@_Auron_> ooommmfffffgg
08:35  * _Auron_ hugs Stroids
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08:44  * Randomist must be very bored today.
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08:46 < Randomist> Or, "must have been," since today was tomorrow.
08:46 < Randomist> * is
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09:51 < BrandonW> Fight Club is one crazy movie.
09:51 < BrandonW> And not what I thought it was.
09:51 <@_Auron_> :D
09:51 <@_Auron_> you hadn't seen it yet?
09:51 < BrandonW> Nope.
09:52 < BrandonW> I was all set up to watch a fight club growing out of hand, not terrorists and multiple personalities.
09:53 < nicolas> BrandonW: nice one, you just ruined it for everyone else who hasn't yet seen it!
09:53 < BrandonW> Not really.
09:54 < nicolas> i'm pretty sure the last two words of your sentence will make it really easy to figure out the whole movie too early on
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09:55 < nicolas> I love that movie, might watch it tonight :)
09:55 < BrandonW> It's a pretty crappy attempt at a plot twist, I thought.
09:55 < BrandonW> I hate it when movies do that.
09:55 < BrandonW> I rate this movie a 6.
09:56 <@_Auron_> it's a cult classic btw
09:57 < BrandonW> I think it's one of those things I had to see in 1996 to really fall in love with it.
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09:57 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
09:57 <@_Auron_> I saw it in 2005
09:57 < leofox> hanging out in a shabby bar in Ironforge is cooler than #tcpa
09:57 < BrandonW> I'm not even sure what that means and I think I agree.
09:58 < leofox> playing DnD with 45-year old virgins is cooler than #tcpa
09:58 < nicolas> meh, I saw fight club when it came out ... I was ...err.. young.. it's pretty old
09:58 < leofox> BrandonW Ironforge is a world of warcraft thing
09:58 < nicolas> like 1999 or 2000 no ?
09:59 < BrandonW> I remember being in the theater for Stargate.
09:59 < BrandonW> And also for Star Trek Generations.
09:59 < leofox> first film I remember is the Lion King
09:59 < nicolas> saw Harry Potter 6 the other day... now there's something that's slightly dissapointing... 
09:59 < nicolas> leofox: d00d.. you r teh youngz0rz
09:59 < BrandonW> I don't know if I ever saw the Lion King all the way through.
10:00 <@_Auron_> wtf, does everyone IRL enjoy it and then secretly hate it and talk about how they dislike it on the internet?
10:00 < BrandonW> What, Fight Club?
10:00 < nicolas> _Auron_: hate what ? Fight Club ?
10:00 <@_Auron_> no, harry potter and the half blood prince
10:00 < BrandonW> I couldn't care less about anything Harry Potter.
10:01 < BrandonW> I pretty much hate anything that even hints at medieval times, or swordfights, or chivalry, or pretty much anything.
10:01 < BrandonW> And so I hate World of Warcraft, too.
10:01 < nicolas> _Auron_: no, I actually enjoyed the book very much, however the movie did have me hanging off the edge of my seat
10:01 < leofox> I havent seen Harry Potter yet
10:01 < leofox> I read the books and I thought they were good
10:01 < leofox> saw the first two movies, they were pretty shitty
10:02 < leofox> the 3rd one was a lot better
10:02 <@_Auron_> 3rd one is regarded as the best one until the 6th
10:02  * _Auron_ shrugs
10:02 <@_Auron_> I like them mostly the same
10:02 <@_Auron_> though I really did like the 6th movie
10:02 < leofox> the 3rd one is the first one where hermione is actually hot
10:02 <@_Auron_> -_-
10:02 <@_Auron_> I don't find anyone in the cast hot
10:03 < leofox> _Auron_: not even Dan Radcliff?
10:03 < nicolas> I dunno, I think the 6th was pretty well made, but it lacked some ... I dunno, adrenalin
10:03 <@_Auron_> too much of an emo vibe from harry potter's character
10:03 < leofox> or the guy that played cedric diggory?
10:04 <@_Auron_> leofox: something Longstaff? my sister thought he was hot
10:04 <@_Auron_> not my type
10:04 < leofox> apparently his name is robert pattinson
10:04 <@_Auron_> I like older guys. and all the older guys in the harry potter movies are ooooooollld
10:04 < leofox> did he play in twilight?
10:04 <@_Auron_> oh cedric
10:04 <@_Auron_> nm, thought you meant someone else
10:04 <@_Auron_> that was the captain in the quidditch team
10:04 < leofox> this guy: http://images.google.nl/images?q=robert+pattinson
10:04 <@_Auron_> for gryffindor
10:05 <@_Auron_> ugh
10:05 <@_Auron_> he looks like such an emo jackass prep
10:05 <@_Auron_> no thanks
10:05 < leofox> heh
10:05 < leofox> I liked the Asian girl in the fourth movie
10:05 < leofox> and of course Luna Lovegood
10:06 <@_Auron_> lol
10:06 < leofox> a bit young but still cute
10:06 < leofox> http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41286000/jpg/_41286732_luna_evanna_big.jpg
10:06 <@_Auron_> so uh
10:06 <@_Auron_> Stroids is done
10:07 <@_Auron_> for release anyhow
10:07 < leofox> wh't's that?
10:08 < leofox> looks like steroids
10:09 <@_Auron_> if I had a penny for every time..
10:09 < leofox> oh, apparently it's asteroids
10:09 < leofox> nice
10:09 < leofox> what platform?
10:09 <@_Auron_> Android
10:12 < leofox> I dont have that
10:12 <@_Auron_> I know
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10:17 <@_Auron_> 36 hours without sleep, yay
10:18 < leofox> go to sleep
10:18 < leofox> dream about hot older guys that aren't oooooooollldd
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10:24 <@_Auron_> lol
10:24 <@_Auron_> not until I publish this.
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10:25 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
10:32 < _Digital> holy crap. 2 months ago, python 2.6 was pushed into gentoo and now 3.1 is in too
10:32 < _Digital> wow
10:38 < i_c-Y> hello
10:43 < nicolas> hello
10:43 < nicolas> _Digital: why the surprise ?
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10:51 < _Digital> nicolas, it took proportionally longer to get 2.6 in than it did 3.1
10:51 < _Digital> hello i_c-Y 
10:51 < _Digital> haven't seen you up this late in a while
10:52 < _Digital> hey to you too nicolas 
10:53 < i_c-Y> more like i woke up early, _Digital 
10:53  * _Digital looks at clock
10:53 < _Digital> oh yeah
10:54 < nicolas> 2.6 also took proportionally longer to come out ;-)
10:54 < _Digital> well I don't follow productions cycles either ;)
10:55 < _Digital> what are some alternates to slim?
10:56 < _Digital> can one or more of you ping www.digitalcorpus.com and or digitalcorpus.com
10:57 < i_c-Y> timeouts on the second one
10:57 < _Digital> odd
10:57 < i_c-Y> timeouts on the first one
10:57 < _Digital> what IP is it trying to resolve?
10:57 < i_c-Y> 173.58.129.172
10:57 < i_c-Y> whcih is you
10:57 < _Digital> yup
10:57 < nicolas> yep, same here
10:58 < i_c-Y> it comes up in my browser though
10:58 < nicolas> they both resolve to the same IP
10:58 < _Digital> I didn't think I discarded ICMP pings
10:58 < i_c-Y> bonnie++ ramdisk.csv	17-Jul-2009 14:54 	1.2K
10:58 < i_c-Y> 	bonnie++ ramdisk.html	30-Jul-2009 05:49 	9.9K
10:58 < i_c-Y> 	bootchart.png	14-May-2009 01:49 	67K
10:58 < nicolas> though it seems even the DNS resolution takes long..
10:58 < _Digital> it took two days for that IP to propogate
10:58 < _Digital> is that normal?
10:58 < nicolas> yep
10:59 < _Digital> just wondering, since I've never done this before
10:59 < _Digital> hehe
10:59 < nicolas> http://webhosting.devshed.com/c/a/Web-Hosting-Articles/What-is-DNS-propagation-and-why-does-it-take-so-long/
10:59 < _Digital> google is crawling my irclogs...
10:59 < _Digital> ty
11:00 < i_c-Y> the answer is "it depends" - sometimes people get it working 
11:00 < i_c-Y> in a few minutes
11:00 < i_c-Y> sometimes in a few days
11:00 < _Digital> the timeout I was told to use was 172800 minutes, two days
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11:00 < _Digital> I read one article that having that lower will make it propogate faster
11:02 < nicolas> i_c-Y: you can't do anything about it ... if you're lucky the new domain is put in place on the master servers just before some specific DNS server decides to sync, then everyone using it will see the site right away
11:02 < nicolas> the unlucky ones will see it 2 days later :P
11:04 < _Digital> now that I know how to modify my IP for a domain I just need to figure out what domain I wish to have pointing here at my house
11:04 < _Digital> I'll always have atlas.selfip.net pointing here as a backup
11:09 < _Digital> now, time for vhost setup...
11:10 <+Netham45> _Digital, for my home setup, I delegated control of home.netham45.org to my home DNS server.
11:10 <+Netham45> Speaking of which, I need to reset the port filters on my router...
11:11 < _Digital> why do you have a DNS server setup on one of your computers?
11:11 <+Netham45> Why not?
11:11 <+Netham45> My home one has it because it's an AD Domain Controller
11:12 < _Digital> I'm not familiar with BIND and DNS terminology yet
11:12 <+Netham45> Active Directory, Windows LDAP
11:13 < _Digital> wow, rip of OS X's welcome screen
11:13 <+Netham45> ?
11:14 < _Digital> http://atlas.selfip.net:8888/Misc-Pics/Screen-Caps/Picture%203.png
11:15 <+Netham45> ah
11:15 <+Netham45> Just the default IIS welcome screen, I only installed it on the server in case I need it in the future.
11:15 < _Digital> www.netham45.org doesn't resolve...
11:16 < _Digital> remove teh www and it loads...
11:16 <+Netham45> blah
11:16  * Netham45 goes to add *.netham45.org
11:17 < _Digital> small graphical comment about your homepage
11:17 < _Digital> your drop shadow at teh bottom is clipped
11:17 < _Digital> it doesn't transition to white like it should
11:18 <+Netham45> Eh, it's just the default IIS7 page.
11:18 < _Digital> I need to make a homepage...
11:18 < _Digital> at least I'm not using the default apache icons though
11:19 <+Netham45> heh
11:20 <+Netham45> hmm...
11:20 <+Netham45> I wonder why 'home.netham45.org' is accessable, the server that controls it's been offline for about 4 days...
11:21 <+Netham45> eh, don't care. I'm going to go to bed, night.
11:21 < _Digital> night
11:22 <@_Auron_> FUCK
11:22 <@_Auron_> goddamnit dysfunction
11:22 <@_Auron_> you completely disabled my webspace entirely
11:22  * _Auron_ sighs
11:22 <@_Auron_> I have no website that is availible to the public at all.
11:24  * _Digital opens a program he doesn't really know how to use
11:24  * _Digital opens adobe golive
11:26 <@_Auron_> fuck me it's published
11:26  * _Auron_ screams
11:26 <@_Auron_> okay
11:26 <@_Auron_> I'm good now
11:26 <@_Auron_> I can finally sleep.
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11:31 < i_c-Y> ....
11:32 < _Digital> yeah, I was thinking that too
11:32 < _Digital> just a bit spastic
11:44 < i_c-Y> bbl
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12:34 < tr1p1ea> _Auron_: you're *finished*?
12:45 < nicolas> where's a good place to get reliable info on TVs ?
12:48 < nicolas> damnit... buying a TV is complicated ... so many of them... so many details to check :(
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12:54 < leofox> nicolas go to a physical store, find one that looks good, buy it online
12:55 < leofox> you really want to see a TV before you buy it imo
12:55 <@E-J> i just might check if there are reviews about them
12:55 <@E-J> and if specs say it has dvb-c in it, it's also +
12:57 < nicolas> apparently the one I want to get has that
12:57 < nicolas> Samsung LE46B651 ...
12:57 < nicolas> I found it online for ~1000 euro
12:58 < nicolas> there's also the 40" (LE40B651) for 849 ... 
12:58 < nicolas> do I want the extra size ? 
12:59 < leofox> how far do you expect you are going to sit from it?
13:00 < leofox> my TV is only 23", but I dont really need a bigger one
13:00 < leofox> that Samsung looks nice
13:01 < nicolas> well, they say for Full HD content at 1080p you need to be ~ 1m60-1m90 ... which is really close
13:01 < nicolas> I'll be further than that
13:02 < nicolas> like 2m40 - 2m60
13:02 < leofox> I think the general rule is
13:02 < leofox> distance from TV = diagonal * 3
13:03 < Andy_J> I have a 42" tv and am probably about 8 ft from it and it's perfect IMO, fwiw
13:03 < leofox> but you might want to get a few sizes bigger than what the rule gives you
13:03 < nicolas> that's what it was for 4:3 ...crt tvs
13:03 < leofox> yeah and SD too
13:03 < leofox> so thats why I say you want it bigger than that
13:03 < nicolas> yeah, that's why i'm ogling the 46"
13:03 < leofox> I'm usually only 1 meter from my 23" HD ready
13:04 < leofox> but it's still fine when I sit at 2-2,5 meters
13:04 < nicolas> yeah, well, I was ok with watching movies on my 20" monitor from my bed ... :)
13:05 < nicolas> I think i'll have to go for the 46" anyway, that way I can use my computer plugged into it from my couch, comfortably :)
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13:05 < leofox> full HD makes big TVs a lot nicer
13:05 < nicolas> indeed
13:05 < leofox> when I bought this one the full HD ones were insanely expensive
13:05 < leofox> like 3000 euros
13:06 < leofox> but I'm still happy with my TV
13:06 < leofox> I have a 22" monitor that does full HD
13:06 < nicolas> we have a Sharo LC-52XL2E (or 20?)  or something back at my parents house
13:06 < nicolas> Sharp*
13:06 < nicolas> that was nice :)
13:07 < leofox> the Aquos?
13:07 < nicolas> replaced a 40" Samsungyeah 
13:07 < nicolas> oopps
13:07 < leofox> that one is pretty good i guess
13:07 < leofox> you have to wacht for thwat kind of panel it has
13:07 < nicolas> yeah, it's good, replaced a pretty good Samsung 40" HD ready we bought when the first came out
13:07 < leofox> the cheap LCDs are all TN
13:07 < nicolas> TN ?
13:08 < leofox> Twisted Neumatics
13:08 < leofox> it's the technique they use to display the image
13:08 < nicolas> ah, yeah
13:08 < leofox> TN is the simplest and cheapest one, but it has relatively shitty colours and viewing angle
13:08 < nicolas> like cheap computer monitors, using 6bit pixels :S
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13:11 < nicolas> but that's the kind of thing I meant when asking about a good place for TV reviews... where they give that sort of info, color, realvieing angle, 100Hz motion thingy (how well it does etc)
13:16 < leofox> nicolas I saw 100hz motion in action once, it's pretty nice
13:17 < leofox> but it's also just another way to get you to buy a new TV
13:17 < leofox> stupid consumerism :P
13:20 < tr1p1ea> interesting when you look up the prices of TV's a decade ago
13:21 < nicolas> leofox: well, I don't have a TV at all right now, so I might as well get the 100Hz straight away, don't you think ?
13:22 < leofox> yeah
13:22 < leofox> get a good one while you can
13:22 < leofox> but dont try to keep up with the newest trends :P
13:25 < nicolas> oh of course not, that would be ridiculously expensive :S
13:25 < nicolas> I gave myself a budget of about 1000 euro
13:26 < nicolas> at first I was looking at LG tvs... which seems not bad at all ... especially price/quality wise, but they are usually lacking a bit here or there
13:28 < nicolas> seems like sony + samsung are generally the best quality though
13:28 < nicolas> the UE series from Samsung is nice ..LED backlighting or LED edge ... but .. expensive... I thought LED was supposed to make things cheaper :(
13:28 < nicolas> damn markets
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13:33 < leofox> higher value so higher price
13:34 <@E-J> damn some gigling teens in this tram
13:34 <@E-J> or preteens
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13:36 <@efneTI92> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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13:46 < Andy_J> LED was supposed to make it better for the environment (no mercury) and use less power
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14:06 <@efneTI92> [Storm\_] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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14:18 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v sn0tz] by Remius
14:19 <+sn0tz> :)
14:19 < leofox> oh wow
14:19 <+sn0tz> hi
14:20 <+sn0tz> this laptop must go into service
14:20 <+sn0tz> the colors flicker with rainbow colors
14:20 < leofox> The Laptop Repair Association is that way -->
14:20 <+sn0tz> anyone good with c?
14:20 <+sn0tz> or decent with file i/o
14:25 < Tari_> depends
14:25 < Tari_> what are you trying to do?
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14:49 <+sn0tz> trying to figure out how to clear a file of its contents without changing file mode from a
14:49 < nicolas> hmm, seek and truncate
14:51 < Tari> it seems that mode a won't let you seek before the end of the file
14:51 < Tari> so, I don't think it's possible
14:53 <+sn0tz> so i guess i have to reopen it
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14:54 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] The pycho has entered the channel.  Sound the alarms.
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15:36  * Randomist guesses his English is getting better, as he goes through his posts from a year ago up to today.
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15:36 < Barrett> BYU sucks at all-sport passes
15:38 < mokomull> You could have stopped that statement before "at" :D
15:38 < Barrett> nah
15:38 < Barrett> last year's all sport pass system was horrible... this year's is almost as bad
15:38  * mokomull despises college sports
15:39 < Barrett> before last year, your seats changed every football game... rotated... sometimes you got good seats and sometimes you got bad seats... the same price for everyone for an all sports pass
15:39 < Randomist> mokomull++
15:39 < Barrett> last year, all passes were still the same price, except first come first serve on the seating... you kept your seat all season
15:39 < Barrett> from the front row to the nose bleeds
15:40 < Randomist> I still never get what people see in watching flying balls.
15:40 < Barrett> this year they're combining... except with the "rotated seating" price, you *only* get bad seats
15:40 < Barrett> (and rotated cost less than fixed... by $35)
15:41 < Randomist> Maybe some deep-rooted symbolic sadism or something.  :P
15:42 < Randomist> Haha:  http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=426196#p426196
15:48 < ports> i forgot how much i like overheard in newyork .com
15:48 < ports> http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/020023.html
15:57  * Tari wonders why gnucash is > 70 MB
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16:06 < Randomist> Tari:  Because computers have gotten better and software has gotten more bloated.
16:06 < Andy_J> especially linux and gnu software
16:06 < Andy_J> feature creep and 9001 versions of libraries
16:08 < Randomist> Make that -2.  No, wait -3.  Never mind, -4.
16:10 < Randomist> lawl at http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article6736587.ece
16:11 < Andy_J> http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/collectibles/bf91/?cpg=wnrdf
16:11 < Andy_J> want
16:12 < Randomist> In other news, sales of iPods in the Middle East have tripled.
16:12 < calc84> lol
16:13 < jr19> missile launching ipods
16:13 < Noah__> iMissile
16:13 < leofox> this must be why Apple asks you to sign a EULA that states you're not going to use your iTunes for terrorism
16:14 < Noah__> probally
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16:19 < Randomist> "
16:19 < Randomist> Yea, and yet you are allowed to take them onto a airplane... But not a bottle of water.
16:19 < Randomist> "
16:24 < calc84> :P
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16:26 <@efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
16:26 <@Nikky> Barrett: We're just first come first saerved for each game
16:26 < ports> hi Nikky
16:26 <@Nikky> although you can get reserved seats for the same price... they just arare slightly less good
16:27 < Barrett> Nikky: so a free-for-all student section? or do you pick up tickets when you get there?
16:27 < Andy_J> if you want reserved seats, you pay the full reserved price
16:27 < Andy_J> otherwise flash your ID and just walk on in
16:27 < Andy_J> :)
16:28 < Andy_J> though I have no idea how they're doing it in the new staduim
16:28 <@Nikky> free for all, yes
16:28 < Barrett> that's what our basketball games are like...
16:28 <@Nikky> you get tickets for that section
16:28 < Barrett> but the student section is benches... I hate benches
16:28 < Barrett> although, most of the football stadium is benches
16:29 < Barrett> grrrr
16:29 <@Nikky> ut meh
16:30 < Barrett> Nikky: do we play you again this year?
16:30 < jr19> are you still a student at BYU
16:30 < Barrett> yes
16:31 < jr19> hmm, i know one guy who went to BYU who graduated from high school with me in 2003
16:31 < jr19> at least i'm pretty sure that's where he went
16:31 < jr19> actually maybe 2 guys i know went there who were bothers
16:31 < jr19> brothers too
16:31 < jr19> pretty long trek from iowa
16:32 < Barrett> do they have names?
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16:32 < krisk> ports ports ports
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16:32 < jr19> clint and garrett zirker
16:32 <@Nikky> I don't really know who we play
16:33 < jr19> they always talked about going there anyway, i never really found out if they did heh
16:33 < jr19> but i assume they did
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16:34 < ports> krisk, what
16:34 <+krisk> remember that pic of the girl with the very very narrow waist?
16:34 < ports> yes
16:34 <+krisk> here is some moar: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/156d1e6e_Camelhips.jpg nsfw obviously
16:34 < ports> fuck
16:34 < ports> shes skinny
16:35 < ports> but sturdy like a horse
16:37 < jr19> sturdy like a horse...
16:37 < ports> her legs
16:37 <+krisk> um skinny legs are skinny
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16:42 <+krisk> very doable though
16:42 < leofox> looks shopped
16:42 < ports> until she used her legs to crush your skull
16:42 <+krisk> how would she do that?
16:42 <+krisk> skin elasticity?
16:43 <+krisk> i think youre confused by the lack of depth given by the monotone lighting on her legs
16:44 < jr19> i've decided that i dont have any interest in pursuing a girlfriend anytime soon
16:45 < leofox> women are silly
16:45 < ports> jr19, look... its ok
16:46 < ports> jr19, i don't care if you're gay..
16:46 <+krisk> no more current girl?
16:46 < leofox> apparently I'm going to have a lot of time left next college year so I guess I could get a gf
16:47 < leofox> or I could just study more or get a job :O
16:47 <+krisk> how is that related to spare time? :P
16:47 < jr19> ports: i think you should maybe worry more about yourself being gay with your current track record!
16:47 < leofox> women take up so much time..
16:47 < leofox> and money too
16:47 <+krisk> you know this how? :P
16:47 < ports> jr19, meh... im avoiding womens
16:47 <+krisk> not all women are the same you know
16:48 < leofox> krisk maybe ive had the wrong experience
16:48 <+krisk> besides, you can replace current activities like IRC with a woman and youd still have time left
16:48 < leofox> but my friends with gfs seem to have the same problem
16:48 <+krisk> do said gfs have jobs?
16:48 < leofox> dont think so
16:48 <+krisk> there ya go
16:48 < jr19> theres the problem
16:48 < jr19> DING DING DING
16:49 < leofox> so I should find a woman with a job
16:49 <+krisk> yes
16:49 < leofox> or preferably one with a life
16:49 <+krisk> all my lady friends have some kind of job to buy their own stuff with
16:49 < ports> thats what i need to do jr19
16:49 < ports> date a girl with a real job
16:50 < ports> someone in marketing.. or perhaps a nurse
16:50 <+krisk> an actress
16:50 < ports> krisk, thats not a real job
16:50 <+krisk> a prostitute then?
16:51 < ports> yes!
16:52 < jr19> maybe you should date that one girl that was a teacher but technically didnt have the qualifications and never finished her thesis even though she had like 2 years to do it
16:52 < ports> its still not done
16:52 <+krisk> haha she sounds like me
16:55 < ports> jr19, im good with not dating till i get settled
16:56 < jr19> lol
16:56 < jr19> she hasnt finished that thesis yet
16:56 < jr19> that's absolutely ridiculous
16:57 < ports> last i heard nope.. because she still calls jessie to talk.. fucking bitch
16:57 <+krisk> leofox in any case i think being able to aquire a gf isnt related to how much free time you have
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16:59 < jr19> i have like zero free time and i think i'd be able to get a gf easy enough
16:59 <+krisk> when i had nothing but free time my chances were virtually 0
16:59 < ports> jr19, hot ass mess
16:59 <+krisk> also
17:00 <+krisk> someone at work has swine flu
17:00 <+krisk> OH NOES
17:00 < jr19> hot ass mess?
17:00 < ports> http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v227/1718/75/n30808016_6691.jpg
17:00 < jr19> what?
17:00 < ports> im not sure if im frightened or turned on by her body
17:00 <+krisk> most delicious
17:00 < jr19> if you're going to post it in here, dont send it to my phone too
17:00 < calc84> http://xkcd.com/37/
17:01 < ports> jr19, i didnt
17:01 <+krisk> dont be afraid unless you think youre weaker than that girl
17:01 <+krisk> which you may be
17:01 < ports> i odnt remember why i know her boyfriend
17:01 < jr19> i know you didnt
17:01 < jr19> i was just saying not to do it lol
17:01 < ports> http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v124/128/53/33300149/n33300149_32297724_5217.jpg
17:02 < ports> http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v62/128/53/33300149/n33300149_31307279_7809.jpg
17:02 < ports> that really is his ridiculous body
17:02 <+krisk> its ridiculous but not ridiculously strong
17:02 <+krisk> he's not even tall
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17:04 <+krisk> http://www.spartyandfriends.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/jamie-eason_sexy-woman.jpg
17:05 < ports> krisk, so
17:05 < jr19> i know a guy who is way more jacked than that, but hes also like 4-5 inches shorter than me
17:06 < jr19> and does steroid cycles
17:06 <+krisk> short people have it easy
17:06 < ports> jr19, im guessing that kid does too
17:06 <+krisk> if he does then his body fails
17:06 <+krisk> no way you need roids to get that body
17:07 < jr19> nah you really dont
17:07 < jr19> the guy i know is ridiculous
17:08 <+krisk> i cant imagine roids used well would have anything but totalyl ridiculous results < 6' tall
17:08 < jr19> you said that one guy had a ridiculous body, but this john guy i know is downright crazy looking
17:08 < jr19> he cant wear long sleeve shirts because none fit his arms, and his polos he has to put his foot in every morning and pull on them to stretch them out
17:08 <+krisk> haha
17:09 < jr19> easily one of the nicest guys i've ever met though
17:10 < jr19> i cant wait to play golf on thursday
17:10 <+krisk> good luck getting anywhere near that first dude's appearance with just curls and bench though
17:10 < ports> lol
17:10 < ports> krisk, why
17:11 < ports> what is wrong with you?
17:11 <+krisk> why what?
17:11 < ports> who said they wanted to look like that guy?
17:11 < ports> <+krisk> good luck getting anywhere near that first dude's appearance with just curls and bench though  - that comment is just out of place
17:11 <+krisk> ?
17:12 <+krisk> did i say someone wanted to look like him?
17:12 < jr19> i'm so damn sore today, especially my left side/arm
17:13 < ports> jr19, so
17:13 < ports> jr19, the apartment guy called me back.. he wants me to live there
17:14 < ports> he said if i take the 1st floor for now.. and then as soon as something opens up on an upper level, i can have it
17:14 < jr19> no, he wants your money
17:14 < ports> well both things, yeah
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17:14 < jr19> no, one thing.
17:14 <+krisk> he wants him to live there so that he can get some of his money
17:14 <+krisk> there
17:15 < ports> jr19, from what i saw of the tenants/cars.. not a lot of students living there.. mainly older people
17:15 <+krisk> yay im still gaining weight, almost at 200
17:15 < jr19> what if nothing opens up on the upper level
17:16 < ports> thatd be unpossible
17:16 <+krisk> kill one of the old folk
17:17 < jr19> what if they die in the middle of the living room
17:17 < jr19> and empty their bowels onto the floor leaving a permanent, but not all the noticeable stain
17:17 < jr19> all taht*
17:17 <+krisk> poison them sothey die at the mall
17:17 < jr19> that* shit
17:17 < ports> im going to go there one more time to find another place to live
17:18 <+krisk> poison multiple so you increase chances of one dieing at a more favorable location
17:18 < ports> theres gotta be some other decent places
17:18 < jr19> haha
17:18 < jr19> where are you moving again
17:19 < jr19> dekalb?
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17:19 < ports> yeah
17:20 < jr19> hmmm
17:22 < ports> my aunt pointed me at a realty agency.. but the apartments they had looked nice.. but had the parking lot covered in glass and beer bottles..
17:22 < ports> i was protective of my bmw.. but it was 6 years old.... im going to be much more ridiculous about the audi
17:22 < jr19> kim went to give plasma, she barely met the qualifications
17:22 < ports> jr19, for weight?
17:23 < jr19> weight, blood pressure, heart rate...
17:23 < ports> heh
17:23 < ports> shes tiny
17:23 < jr19> yeah
17:23 < jr19> especially for being 5'9
17:23 < jr19> she needs to eat and work out
17:23 < jr19> but she won't
17:23 < jr19> anyway, why dont you look for a place that has a garage?
17:25 < jr19> i know that the are even apartments around here that offer them...
17:27 < ports> nothing affrdable
17:28 < jr19> you're rich
17:28 < ports> gotta rent a townhouse to get a garage
17:28 < jr19> heh
17:28 < ports> thats a stupid reason
17:28 < jr19> i'm poor as fuck and you're talking about things being affordable
17:28 < ports> you're not poor.
17:28 < jr19> how do you know?
17:28 < ports> and renting a 3 bedroom townhouse for 1 person at $1500/month + utilities is stupid.
17:28 < jr19> i'm not saying to be stupid about it
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17:29 < ports> thats all there is in DeKalb.
17:29 < jr19> but i'm sure you could get something decent
17:29 < ports> no
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17:30 < jr19> you can't get something decent?
17:31 < ports> dude.. ive been to 75% of the apartments in that town..
17:31 < ports> and ive driven around most of it
17:31 < jr19> its weird that you cant find something for even like $700-800 a month that wuold include something like a garage
17:31 < ports> nothing like that exists in DeKalb
17:32 < ports> youre looking at a $1300+/mo town house to get a garage.
17:32 < ports> its hard enough trying to find something clean in that fucking town let alone a garage
17:32 < ports> only two places in town offer a carport
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17:33 < jr19> i assume you've been to dekalbrent.com
17:34 < ports> yes
17:34 < ports> and ive visited most of those places
17:34 < jr19> heh, 3 bedroom apartment across from NIU with a 2 car detached garage
17:34 < jr19> 3 bedrooms is a lot though
17:34 < ports> price?
17:34 < jr19> 825
17:35 < ports> link
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17:36 < jr19> http://www.dekalbrent.com/index.php?module=search&action=search&num_bedrooms_operator=%3d&num_bathrooms_operator=%3e%3d&rent_low=&rent_high=&num_bedrooms=&num_bathrooms=&type=apartment&neighborhood_id=0
17:36 < jr19> you have to scroll down though
17:36 < jr19> i just did a ctrl+f and searched "garage"
17:36 < ports> yeah ive seen that one
17:36 < ports> that whole street looks like a crack neighborhood
17:37 < jr19> lol
17:37 < ports> seriously, ive been there.. do the Map It thing
17:37 < jr19> well i dont know what you're going to do then
17:37 < jr19> just live in a hotel
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17:39 <@E-J> no pictures of that flat? not even floor plan?
17:40 < ports> ho ho
17:40 < ports> jr19, no pictures for it
17:40 < ports> E-J, but take a look at the google maps street view
17:40 < ports> tell me that neighborhood doesnt look like theres a meth lab there
17:41 < ports> jr19, the apartment guy called me back.. hes got girl moving out of a 1 bedroom at the end of august.. i can have it.. $685/month
17:41 < ports> there goes my office dreams
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17:43 < jr19> you could just set up an "office" in the corner of the living room heh
17:43 <@E-J> ports: well, it's college avenue, name tells all
17:43 < ports> yea
17:44 <@E-J> is that in apartment house?
17:45 <@E-J> just checking where in finland you could get same with same price
17:45 < ports> cant tell
17:45 < ports> that town has a lot of 2 story houses that were converted into upstairs/downtairs apartments
17:46 < ports> jr19, Sycamore has a lot of nice/better housing... but its far
17:47 < ports> DeKalb to work is already 20 miles 1way..
17:47 < ports> Sycamore will add another 5-6 miles.. + TIME!
17:47 <@E-J> if it's in that kind of place, then this was only flat that i found http://www.vuokraovi.com/vuokraovi/main/showrental.action?id=137080
17:48 < ports> E-J, lol that not in english
17:48 < ports> Sycamore is to DeKalb,, what Urbana is to Champaign..
17:48 < ports> when the college town turned shitty.. all the people with money/businesses started moving to the neighboring town and made it a really nice place
17:49 <@E-J> ports: yep, well i can tell you that it's not even near any big city, in central finland
17:49 < ports> E-J, lol
17:50 <@E-J> 4 rooms and kitchen, 3rd floor, built in 1972, 96.3m², rent 600 euros per month
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17:50 < jr19> hmm
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17:51 <@E-J> town is about as big as asmand's home town (population 7k)
17:52 <@E-J> actually was
17:52 <@E-J> because now it has united with bigger one
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17:52 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] The pycho has entered the channel.  Sound the alarms.
17:53 < jr19> we have about 60k people here
17:53 < jr19> living here anyway
17:53 <@E-J> this is even more north, you can check pictures http://www.vuokraovi.com/vuokraovi/main/showrental.action?id=139849
17:53 < jr19> i think they say 80-100k are generally in the city on business days
17:54 <@E-J> i live in town/city where live about 240k, and because this is near 2 other big cities/towns, in whole area lives about 1M people
17:54 < ports> jr19, so yeah.. although i want to live in DeKalb.. the place kinda sucks too
17:55 < jr19> you should move to sycamore hehe
17:55 < ports> jr19, the commute will be horrible.. 45 minutes each way..
17:55 < jr19> well i dont know what to tell you then
17:55 < jr19> i'm through making suggestions heh
17:56 < ports> make better suggestions
17:57 < jr19> quit your job and live in a cave
17:57 < ports> no u
17:59 < jr19> i think you are just too picky
17:59 < ports> so
18:00 < jr19> you must not have been loved as a child
18:01 < ports> what
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18:02 < jr19> i'm hungry
18:02 < mtgrss111> go eat then
18:03 < jr19> can't
18:04 < jr19> have to wait for someone to come back from their lunch break
18:04 < mtgrss111> I have an old Dell available for experimentation.
18:04 < mtgrss111> What, in your opinion, is the best version of Linux available?
18:05 <+krisk> debian
18:05 < mtgrss111> I figured I might as well try it out, seeing as I've got time
18:05 < j-b-r> Debain is good...
18:05 < j-b-r> DOn't become a gentoo freak. They are scary
18:06 <@E-J> gentoo is for them who have time
18:06 < mtgrss111> oh dAMN, THERE IS NO HARD DRIVE
18:06 <@E-J> lots of time
18:06 < jr19> i'd personally go with Arch due to the customization aspect and the quick installation of binaries
18:06 < mtgrss111> oops
18:06 < jr19> i used to use gentoo a lot
18:06 < leofox> I like Windows 7
18:06 < leofox> but I still use XP because I've had some problems with old software
18:06 <@E-J> mtgrss111: you can use usb stick as hd
18:06 < mtgrss111> leofox: so do I, but it doesn't have a DVD drive, so....
18:06 < leofox> so get an external one\
18:07 < leofox> or build a bootable win7 USB stick
18:07 < mtgrss111> E-J: I think I might have one lying around, actually.
18:07 < leofox> http://kmwoley.com/blog/?p=345
18:07 < mtgrss111> I hope I didn't throw it out
18:08 <@E-J> fedora has even windows installer for usb stick os
18:08 < leofox> I didnt like fedora
18:08 < leofox> it was unstable as hell and I couldnt get it to play mp3 files
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18:08 <@E-J> leofox: then it was more of pebkac
18:09 < leofox> pfft you sound like one of these arrogant developers
18:09 <@E-J> though i haven't used rh based systems since rh5.2
18:10 < leofox> it's so easy to blame everything on pebkac if your software/GUI sucks
18:10 <@E-J> but evening news ->
18:11 < Merthsoft> Tari: I sent you an email, though I did it from my phone and it sometimes doesn't like to send. Did you get it?
18:11 <+krisk> pebkac?
18:11 < Tari> yeah, it's here
18:11 < Merthsoft> gthe email or the calc?
18:12 < jr19> "problem exists between keyboard and chair"
18:12 < Tari> the mail
18:12 < Tari> USPS hasn't dropped off yet today
18:12 < leofox> krisk it pretty much means that the developer blames the user
18:12 <+krisk> what does it stand for exactly
18:12 < leofox> what jr19 says
18:12 < jr19> much like the ID10T error that people frequently get
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18:13 < leofox> of course you can blame some problems on stupid user input
18:13 <+krisk> oh ok
18:13 < jr19> especially people i deal with on a day to day basis...
18:13 <+krisk> oyu cant blame stupid user input
18:13 < leofox> but in many cases you cant just expect the user to have 100% knowledge of the system
18:13 <+krisk> bad input should be caught and result in a helpfull result
18:14 < leofox> krisk: well an extreme example is the user selecting everything, deleting and saving in Word, then complain that his file is gone
18:14 <+krisk> well thats proper input isnt it
18:14 < leofox> but you can imagine a system where a single delete press deletes the file without confirmation or undo
18:14 < leofox> many users will delete stuff when they dont want to
18:15 < leofox> and the developer might blame it on pebkac
18:15 <+krisk> of course
18:15 <+krisk> but thats with valid input
18:15 < leofox> in many systems valid input can have unexpected results
18:15 < leofox> because of poor GUI design
18:15 < jr19> my mom has deleted whole documents while working on them somehow, and i never know how
18:15 < jr19> she just claims she is typing and then everything erased
18:16 <+krisk> ctrl+a?
18:16 < jr19> that's all i can think of, but maybe she does something crazy
18:16 < Randomist> TouchPad?
18:16 < Tari> ctrl+a, del, ctrl+s
18:16 < jr19> it could be the touchpad on her laptop too
18:16 < Tari> "It makes the program run faster." :P
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18:16 < Randomist> I do that all the time.
18:17 < jr19> i wont lie, i often laugh at people's computer fails
18:17 < Randomist> It is always the TouchPad.
18:17 < jr19> my problem with my touchpad is that i'll often be typing in one window and the pointer will be on another window, and i'll accidentally tap the touchpad and the focus will switch
18:17 < jr19> very annoying, i've thought about turning the mouse tap off, but i haven't
18:18 < Randomist> I need to add a switch in my Openbox configuration to toggle that.
18:19 < jr19> also, my mom is making tacos tonight for dinner and she invited me over, which is sweet
18:20 < Randomist> Don't tell Cactus.  :P
18:21 < jr19> who's cactus
18:22 < Randomist> If you are on the Arch forums often, you might have noticed him as the resident taco lover.  Has a fine appreciations for tacos (and taco art).
18:22 < Randomist> [Inside joke.]
18:23 < jr19> no i dont go on any forums
18:23 <+krisk> +1 for you
18:24 < Randomist> Better at real-time communication than forums?
18:24 < jr19> i dont know, maybe?
18:24 < jr19> i will look at forums if i am looking for information on something
18:24  * Randomist is the opposite.  :P
18:25 < jr19> but i dont randomly browse them
18:25 < Randomist> *Bows to the almighty "Edit" button."
18:25 < jr19> except 4chan i guess, i will browse that but only because i'm bored and theres a wide variety of stuff there
18:26 < jr19> lunch time bbl
18:26 <+krisk> have you tried 420chan?
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18:27 < Randomist> Coming soon:  #TCPA-420
18:28  * Randomist LOLs at the idea of a channel of stoned calculator programmens.
18:28 < Randomist> * programmers
18:28 <+krisk> who here programs calcs?
18:28 < leofox> I think there are more stoners here than calc programmers
18:28  * calc84 raises hand
18:29 <+krisk> leofox is true
18:29 < Randomist> Calculator programmers and technology enthusiasts.
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18:30 < Randomist> And Apple users.
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18:31 < Joe_> weird
18:31 < Randomist> It's Judge Joe Brown.
18:32 < Joe_> !k mtgrss111 ghost
18:32 < calc84> How about Joe the Plumber?
18:32 < Joe_> :(
18:32 < Joe_> Mighty Joe Young
18:32 < Milyardo> Rawr
18:32 < Randomist> !k mtgrss111 Who ya gonna call?  Ghostbusters!
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18:32 < Joe_> awesome
18:32 < Randomist> There you ge.
18:32 < Randomist> * go
18:32 < Joe_> thanks
18:32 < Milyardo> I'm not stoned
18:32 < Joe_> hmm
18:33 < Joe_> oh damn
18:33 < Joe_> server believe mtgrss111 is still logged in.
18:33 < Joe_> I completely forgot
18:34 < calc84> burn him
18:34 < Randomist> EFnet is too cool for /ghost.
18:35 < Milyardo> ls
18:35 <+krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyc12-neTjM
18:35 < Randomist> Desktop    Downloads  Games       Music     Programs  Sounds    Videos
18:36 < Randomist> $
18:38 < Randomist> Only Three of thes are not empty.
18:38 < Joe_> ?
18:39 < Milyardo> ls -al
18:40 < Milyardo> . .. .porn .porn-midget .porn-calc .porn-illegal Desktop Downloads Games Music Programs Sounds Videos
18:40 < Randomist> ROFL
18:41 <@E-J> Milyardo: you removed l then
18:42 < Randomist> All I have are a bunch of dot files from applications that need to learn that "$XDG_CONFIG_HOME" is the right place to put shit at.
18:43 < Milyardo> I was going to further elborate the parody with a full list, but then I decided not to
18:44 < Joe_> Congratulations?
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18:49 < Randomist> Milyardo:  $(tree -L 2 .porn-calc) => .calc-porn{The Uncovering{Pic0.8xi, Pic1.8xi, Pic2.8xi, Pic3.8xi, Pic4.8xi, Pic5.8xi, Pic6.8xi, Pic7.8xi, Pic8.8xi, Pic9.8xi, UNCOVER.8xp}, Exploitation{Sprites1.8xi, Sprites2.8xi,...},...}
18:50 < Randomist> [brandonw@brandonw.net~/.calc-porn] $
19:04 < Joe_> I once drew the bikini samus sprite on my calc and every assumed it was porn
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19:15 < ports> link
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19:19 < mtgrss111> link?
19:21 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: User excited]
19:25 < Randomist> I believe ports is inquiring a URI from your keyboard concerning the bikini Samus.
19:29 < mtgrss111> oh
19:32 < mtgrss111> ports: http://thisischris.com/feature/2005/samus.html
19:33 < ports> nsfw
19:33 < mtgrss111> umm
19:33 < mtgrss111> no, it's pretty safe stuff.
19:33 < mtgrss111> basically a summary of samus over the years
19:39 < Randomist> The Japanese one down at half-page, she looks like a woman-dude.
19:39 < Randomist> Super-Wacky Mega-Fun Steroid Time!
19:42 < jr19> orly
19:59 < mtgrss111> windows 7 doesn't have the drivers for this old dvd drive :(
19:59 < mtgrss111> so it won't load
20:00 < mtgrss111> I guess I'll try to install from usb
20:02 < bsparks> since when do DVD drives need device specific drivers o.0
20:06 < jr19> yeah that's weird
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20:29 < mtgrss111> my internet seems weird
20:32 < jr19> hackers
20:33 < mtgrss111> rly?
20:33 < jr19> dunno
20:33 < jr19> either that or your internet tubes just suck
20:34 < mtgrss111> I figured it'd take me all day to install debian, seems it's just taking me all day to dl debian
20:35 < jr19> i doubt it'll take you all day to install it
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20:41 < Joe_> 27%, 4 hours, 43 minutes remaining
20:41 < Joe_> long enough
20:42 < jr19> heh
20:42 < Joe_> and, i think the dl froze
20:42 < Joe_> damn
20:42 < Joe_> should have torrented
20:43 < jr19> you should just get the arch install image and do that :)
20:43 < jr19> core ISO is 311mb
20:44 < jr19> though the installation is a little more involved
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21:04 < mtgrss111> cool, the usb boot is working
21:06 -!- itsi_c-Y [~Icy@cpe-69-204-242-163.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #tcpa
21:06 <@efneTI92> [itsi_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
21:06 < mtgrss111> sup itsi_c-Y 
21:07 < ryantmer> Is susestudio not loading for anybody else?
21:07 < mtgrss111> I dunno what that is
21:08 <@E-J> ryantmer: waiting for answer from address ...
21:08 < ryantmer> Yeah, same =/
21:08 < ryantmer> Maybe it's just suffering from the 1.0 traffic.
21:10 <@E-J> mtgrss111: it is service where you can make your own live cd image
21:10 <@E-J> or so i read from opensuse.fi
21:11 < ryantmer> From what I've read, kind of like Linux From Scratch, but easier.
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21:11 <@E-J> and apparently you can test it before downloading
21:11 < mtgrss111> yeah, i googled it so I'd know next time
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21:13 <@efneTI92> [sir_lewk] http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95  I have much DATA in VELOCIRAPTORS AND PHILOSOPH
21:15 < ports> http://cgi.4chan.org/s/src/1249327838014.jpg   VNSFW
21:15 < sir_lewk> I changed my major to Velocisophy
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21:18 < Andy_J> if it's not safe for work and it's on 4chan, don't bother linking it in here at all
21:18 < ports> Andy_J, why
21:19 < sir_lewk> because I don't think anyone here actually cares to view it, it's terribly offtopic
21:19 < ports> sir_lewk, does andy_j have his arm up your ass?
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21:21 < sir_lewk> thanks
21:24 < BrandonW> Thanks.
21:24 < bsparks> Indeed, thank you
21:25 < BrandonW> How sad is he to come to a calculator channel and post stupid links and rant about his personal problems?
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21:25 < BrandonW> Most of us understand and accept the fact that none of us care about each other.
21:26 < Merthsoft> I care about you, BrandonW :(
21:26 < Joe_> well, can we sorta care? :/
21:26 < bsparks> You couldn't pay me enough to give a real damn
21:26 < bsparks> Unless one of you was like, dying
21:26 < sir_lewk> even personal rantings I can deal with, but if I wanted 4chan, I'd go to 4chan...
21:27 < BrandonW> I got your 84+SE, Merthsoft.
21:27 < Merthsoft> oh yay
21:27 < BrandonW> The back is dark gray, mine's not like that.
21:27 < BrandonW> It's light gray.
21:27 < BrandonW> You sent the batteries.
21:28 < Merthsoft> It's the viewport addition, so the back is dark, I guess
21:28 < BrandonW> Not that I'm complaining, but now you're out 4 AAAs and you potentially endangered us all with battery acid leaks.
21:28 < BrandonW> That, too.
21:28 < Merthsoft> did the battery acid leak?
21:28 < BrandonW> No, but it's the principle of the thing.
21:29 < sir_lewk> Merthsoft's batteries explode, somehow spraying all of #tcpa with battery acid, over the internet.  ;)
21:29 < BrandonW> I got it out of the mailbox on the way to work, I'll take it apart and mangle it some more once I get home.
21:29 < Joe_> The batteries CAN explode, the exploded out of my TI89t once.
21:29 < Merthsoft> Ok, well, next time I won't send you batteries.
21:29 < BrandonW> :(
21:29 < Merthsoft> i didn't really think about it...
21:29 < Merthsoft> I hope the ones in Tari's don't explode :(
21:30 < Merthsoft> I don't see why they'd be any more likely to exlode en route then on my desk.
21:31 < sir_lewk> possibly harsh shipping conditions I'd guess
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21:31 <@efneTI92> [Randomis1] The pycho has entered the channel.  Sound the alarms.
21:31 < sir_lewk> had batteries explode in my 83+ once, was a bitch to clean :/
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21:33 < BrandonW> Speaking of that, I forgot to bring mouse batteries to work yet again.
21:33 < BrandonW> (at work now)
21:34 < Merthsoft> does your mouse take AAAs?
21:34 < BrandonW> AAs.
21:34 <@E-J> http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiedosto:Tolsun_1.jpg
21:34 < Merthsoft> aw
21:34 < bsparks> BrandonW, paperclip mod
21:34 < Merthsoft> or that
21:34 < BrandonW> We have no way of knowing if Merthsoft's batteries work.
21:34 < Merthsoft> or stack some dimes in there
21:34 < bsparks> just for temps
21:34 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: My word not enough for you?
21:34 < BrandonW> I'm pretty bored, but not that bored. And they do still work.
21:35 < BrandonW> I'm sure they're fine.
21:35 -!- mode/#tcpa [-b *!*@inserthere.net] by efneTI85, efneTI81, Remius
21:35 -!- mode/#tcpa [-b *!*@inserthere.net] by efneTI92, efneTI86
21:36 < Joe_> i like Win7's cute little fishie
21:36 < jr19> hmm
21:36 <@E-J> ah ports is banned again
21:36 < jr19> ports enjoys getting me banned
21:36 < Merthsoft> E-J: hell yeah he is
21:36 <@E-J> because of this information i can go to sleep
21:37 < Merthsoft> ha
21:38 < jr19> why is moko|log*!*mokomull@dsl-*.aei.ca perm banned anyway, i always wondered that
21:38 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: that thing taped to it is the bluetooth thing
21:38 < Merthsoft> btw
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21:41 < ports> has that hallway thing been in the topic for a while?
21:41 < jr19> Topic set by efneTI86 [aardrop@nightshade.epfarms.org] [Sun Aug  2 22:08:58 2009]
21:42 < ports> jr19, is that accurate? dont the bots doa keeptopic thing?
21:42 < ports> so it could have been there longer
21:43 < bsparks> I set that last night
21:43 < jr19> i dont know, i'm not a robot who stores information in a fashion which makes it wasy to retrieve
21:43 < ports> bsparks, im torn between buying an itouch and waiting for the crunchpad
21:43  * ports powers down jr19
21:44 < bsparks> buy a crunchpad because you're retarded enough to keep saying itouch
21:44 < ports> :P
21:44 < jr19> lol itouch
21:44 < jr19> sounds like some knockoff you'd find in the discount aisle at walgreens
21:45 < ports> it is
21:45 < jr19> now 512mb of memory spaces!
21:45 < ports> http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/26/keepin-it-real-fake-part-lxvii-the-pasen-itouch/
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21:45 < jr19> hmm...well that's news to me
21:45 < ports> bsparks, if the crunchpad really ends up being $400 ill skip it
21:48 < jr19> you should just buy a netbook with a SSD
21:48 < ports> no
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21:49 < bsparks> only netbook I'd buy is either a Dell Mini 9 or an Always Innovating Touchbook
21:49 < ports> bsparks, that actually looks decent.. the touchbook
21:49 < jr19> dell mini 9 excites me
21:50 < jr19> but i'm not spending money right now on anything, so i can't have any fun
21:50 < bsparks> It's ARM, but hey, 15h batt life if you include the keyboard
21:50 < ports> i just want a decent reading tablet
21:51 < ports> at $200 a crunchpad was really enticing
21:51 < bsparks> just for reading?
21:51 < ports> bsparks, mainly yeah.. and the crunchpad is supposedly able to run flash video/hulu... which is a plus
21:51 < bsparks> oh, well fuck if I know then
21:51 < ports> bsparks, what
21:52 < bsparks> reading on an iPod would kill your eyes, even on a crunchpad I'd hate it
21:52 < bsparks> if I was going to do a lot of reading I would go with something e-ink
21:52 < ports> are the e-ink ones lit anyhow?
21:52 < ports> anyway
21:53 < bsparks> probably not, no
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21:53 < Randomis1> In your mind, imagine there are four discs spinning.  The top-left and bottom-right discs are spinning in one direction, and the top-right and bottom-left discs are spinning in the other direction.
21:54 < bsparks> Randomis1, WHAT?
21:54 < ports> Remius, and
21:54 < ports> err Randomis1 and
21:54 < Merthsoft> Randomis1: ok what now?
21:54 < Randomis1> Are you able to keep that animation going in you mind, or do you have trouble?
21:55 < jr19> i have trouble
21:55 < jr19> i can picture two at a time
21:55 < Merthsoft> i can keep it going pretty well
21:55 < ports> Randomis1, depends.. if i build on your animation, its etc
21:56 < ports> with the discs spinning, if i imagine some material flow between them.. easy
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21:58 < ports> jr19, http://www.dekalbrent.com/il/dekalb/79233-summer-sublet-live-in-luxury - i walked out of this place because it was nasty
21:58 < jr19> but it says "live in luxury"
21:58 < ports> its like the #3 or #4 best place in town
21:58 < jr19> it says its a summer sublet anyway
21:59 < Randomis1> Now try drawing two different shapes next to each other at the same time in your mind, one on the left and one on the right.  One of the shapes must be curved, and the other one must have only straight lines.
21:59 < ports> jr19, they have some 2 bedrooms available... its the place where they offered me an apartment on the backside 3rd floor.. and i could see into the Huskies football stadium
21:59 < bsparks> Randomis1, what are you getting at?
22:00 < ports> jr19, this is also the place that wanted to charge garbage fee separate from rent.. AND AND.. you have to buy a parking permit to park in the apartments parking lot
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22:00 < jr19> hmm
22:00 < jr19> that sucks
22:00 < jr19> garbage fee, who charges that, honestly
22:00 < ports> no
22:01 < ports> who charges you to park your car at your own apartment
22:01 < Randomis1> bsparks:  Focus test.  :P
22:01 < ports> its the middle of BFE corn country... theres plenty of land/space
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22:02 < jr19> i dunno
22:02 <+krisk> lo
22:02 < ports> dunno.. the model they showed me was dirty.. so i didnt have much hope for what their actual apartments looked like.. ya know?
22:02 < jr19> hey krisk
22:02 < ports> hiya krisk
22:03 <+krisk> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/4d7c05f0_Dilemma.jpg lol (kinda nsfw)
22:03 < ports> krisk, don't post that here.. no one cares
22:03 < Randomis1> If you tried to do the former with your fingers and feet, you would probably find it very hard, and if you tried drawing the latter thing on paper, you'd find it very hard.
22:03 <+krisk> you'll lol
22:04 < ports> krisk, or goto jail
22:04 <+krisk> wat
22:04 < ports> that little boy is like 12
22:04 <+krisk> so?
22:04 < ports> child porn
22:04 < ports> :(
22:04 <+krisk> nah
22:05 < Randomis1> Maybe not over there.
22:05 <+krisk> oh shit top gear
22:05 <+krisk> i forgot
22:05 < ports> Randomis1, yeah
22:05 < ports> child porn people die in prison here
22:05 < ports> they get mysteriously thrown off ledges, or strangled in their shower.
22:06 < jr19> pictures are fun
22:06 <+krisk> its too bad top gear isnt in HD
22:06 < Randomis1> Pirates get longer sentences, though.
22:06 <+krisk> their filming is femoninal
22:06 < Randomis1> And larger fines.
22:06 < ports> Randomis1, pirates also dont die in prison
22:06 <+krisk> because downloading a tv show episode rather than watching it the night before on your paid for tv subscription is pirating
22:07 < ports> i was talking about sea pirates... what are you talking about
22:07 <+krisk> hmm the polar challenge is in 1080p
22:07 <+krisk> wierd
22:07 < Randomis1> So do hackers, like that one seven- or eighteen-year-old kid who is in prison for thirty six years.
22:07 < Andy_J> BrandonW: did he sent it USPS?
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22:08 < Randomis1> All he did was change his grades.
22:08 < jr19> that's dumb
22:08 < sir_lewk> didn't he almost start a nuclear war too?
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22:09 < jr19> its stupid that they complain about the overcrowding of the prison system yet they're throwing people like that in there
22:09 < sir_lewk> with some AI computer.  he stopped it by tieing it at tic-tac-toe though
22:09 < sir_lewk> disney made a documentary about him I hear
22:09 <+krisk> at least i can see how thats illegal to do
22:09 < jr19> oh yeah
22:09 < jr19> joshua
22:09 <+krisk> because its fraud
22:10 <+krisk> going to jail for smoking pot..
22:10 < Randomis1> Yeah, but thirty-six years?
22:10 < Randomis1> Come on.
22:10 < jr19> yeah a little ridiculous
22:10 <+krisk> of course
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22:10 <+krisk> im not saying i find the punishment fitting, just that i can at least see theres something to be punished for
22:10 < jr19> i got in trouble doing stupid computer "hacking" stuff when i was like 15 and all i got was a slap on the wrist
22:10 < jr19> but i was young and naive
22:11 < Andy_J> Merthsoft: it's still not allowable (I can't find legal ramifications) to send batteries through the USPS
22:11 < Randomis1> jr19:  I couldn't use a school computer for the next three years when I did it in high school.
22:11 < Andy_J> except small (<1g) rechargable lithium batteries or sealed batteries (with an appropriate warning on the package)
22:11 < Randomis1> And I got six weeks of suspension.
22:11 < jr19> oh i didnt get in trouble for anything in school
22:11 <+krisk> why use school computers in the first place?
22:12  * sir_lewk attaches several stamps to a car battery and puts it in his mailbox
22:12 <+krisk> all we used them for was to play Utopia during breaks on rainy days
22:12 < Randomis1> krisk:  They hardly ever really secured them except with a crappy anti-virus and DeepFreeze.
22:12 < Randomis1> So they were fun to play around with.
22:13 < sir_lewk> lol deepfreese
22:13 < sir_lewk> all that crap ever did was cover our tracks for us ;)
22:14 < Randomis1> The CS teacher actually gave me the key to unlock DeepFreeze, then when all the computers got upgraded and with a new DeepFreeze, all you had to do was get rid of it with a boot CD.
22:14 <+krisk> ours was only secured with regular win nt4 rights restrictions
22:14 < sir_lewk> we used to carry around quake3 and scorched3d installations on flashdrives and have tournements all the time in HS
22:15 < sir_lewk> wait, you had a CS teacher in highschool?
22:15 < sir_lewk> the most my school had was a typing class :/
22:15 < Randomis1> Yes.  I was in CS1, in UIL and had an awesome CS teacher.
22:15 < Randomis1> * and
22:16 <+krisk> counter strike teacher?
22:16 < Randomis1> He let me borrow five of his machines to concurrently download Slackware and Gentoo when I had dial-up.  :P
22:16 < jr19> i had some C++ classes in HS
22:17 < mtgrss111> My HS is tiny and do not have such useful classes
22:18 < sir_lewk> I took intro CS classes at local colleges while in HS (school paid for it), besides that I had to do everything myself though :/
22:18 < sir_lewk> I was in some sort of "gifted program" so I could do CS'y stuff as projects for that
22:19 <+krisk> haha "you're special" reward systems
22:19 < Randomis1> I ended up having to move to the gangsta-thug school after the incident.  >.<
22:20 < jr19> weird
22:20 < jr19> i just had the eff bee eye show up and say, stop doing that
22:20 < sir_lewk> the incident? O.o
22:21 < Randomis1> jr19:  They did that to me once in middle-school.  :P
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22:22 < Randomis1> Had the police-chick come and take me to the office, and had a long chat with me and the admins about computer security and whatnot.
22:22 < sir_lewk> wowzers
22:22 < jr19> now, i hate computers
22:25 < sir_lewk> hjjjjjjkl;'
22:25 < sir_lewk> err
22:25 < sir_lewk> cleaning out keyboard
22:25 < Randomis1> That, the incident in high school, and the time me and two other people almost got in trouble for phishing passwords, was the only times I have been in trouble with machines.
22:26 < jr19> why were you phishing passwords at your school
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22:28 < Randomis1> That was not at school, but one of that was helping, and the other person was states away.
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22:29 < Randomis1> * helping was, and the
22:29 < jr19> oh alright
22:29 < jr19> Bad Randomis1! Bad!
22:29 < Randomis1> I stopped after that.
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22:32 < Randomis1> At least I didn't come here during those times.  :P
22:33 < Randomis1> I would have already been perma-banned.
22:33 < jr19> why
22:33 < leofox> oh you guys
22:34 < leofox> is kirsk here
22:34 < Randomis1> Do you see him here?
22:34 < leofox> when was he here
22:34 < Randomis1> 1629 CST.
22:34 < sir_lewk> one time I got in trouble for not paying the $699 licensing fee for linux
22:34 < leofox> what is that
22:35 < Randomis1> He quit at 1639 CST.
22:35 < leofox> when was that in europe time
22:35 < sir_lewk> like 1139 or something?
22:35 < sir_lewk> wait
22:36 < sir_lewk> no, I fail at time
22:36 < Randomis1> That was about fourteen minutes ago.  Now solve for "X."
22:36 < leofox> why didn you say fourteen minutes ago
22:37 < Randomis1> I didn't want to open my terminal to "echo $((X-Y))" that.
22:37 < leofox> what?
22:38 < sir_lewk> bc ftw man
22:39 < jr19> yeah birth control is a good thing
22:39 < leofox> hurdur
22:39 < leofox> I want to talk to  kriks
22:39 < leofox> krisk
22:40 < jr19> you should call him up
22:40 < leofox> do you have his cellphone nr
22:41 < jr19> nope
22:41 < jr19> but i do krisk.com redirects to a site to buy high heels
22:41 < jr19> but i do know*
22:41 < jr19> my typing has been retarded today
22:42 < leofox> krisk.org is a retarded lunix site
22:43 < jr19> har har
22:43 < jr19> i'm going home from work to eat tacos, goodbye
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22:57 < calc84> hai
22:57 <@Nikky> hey
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23:05 < mtgrss111> I hate installing drivers. fuck.
23:05 < mtgrss111> I'm tempted to steal a sound card out of another machine.
23:06 < mtgrss111> cause i have a disc for that
23:09 < bsparks> I've only had to install maybe... 10 drivers on this computer, and 6 of them I don't even use
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23:37 < Swivel_> Hey, anyone know much about the 68HC11 microcontroller?
23:43 -!- leofox [leofox@leofox.student.utwente.nl] has quit []
23:44 < Swivel_> Alright, someone's gotta know about microcontrollers...? :/
23:44 -!- Joe_ [~Joe@c-98-200-24-14.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out]
23:44 < Barrett> what's a micro?
23:45 < Swivel_> *sigh*
23:45 < Barrett> so it's a small object that rolls conts?
23:45 < Barrett> micro cont roller?
23:46 < Barrett> The 68HC11 (6811 or HC11 for short) is a 8-bit microcontroller (µC) family originally from Motorola, now produced by Freescale Semiconductor, descended from the Motorola 6800 microprocessor. It is a CISC microcontroller. The 68HC11 devices are more powerful and more expensive than the 68HC05 microcontrollers, and are used in barcode readers, hotel card key writers, amateur robotics, and various other embedded systems.
23:46 < Swivel_> Micro-Control-Er
23:46 < Swivel_> Hey cool you can copy and paste wikipedia articles!
23:46 < Barrett> well, I wrote that article...
23:47 < ports> make tonight a manwich night!
23:47 < ports> Barrett, ive done work with microcontrollers
23:47 < ports> Swivel_, what about them
23:47 < Swivel_> Ports, have you done any work with the 68HC11?
23:48 < Swivel_> I have a friend thats been having some problems working with his and asked me to see if I could find someone willing to help out.
23:48 < Swivel_> Since I know nothing about them, practically
23:49 < ports> CY8C29x66  is what i used
23:49 < ports> anyways.. whats his problem
23:50 -!- itsi_c-Y is now known as i_c-Y
23:51 < Swivel_> Well he has a project that he coded and worked fine in RAM ..but now he needs to run the same code in EEPROM so it will be stand alone. He made the simple changes he thought he needed to do this but he's having problems now.
23:51 < ports> Swivel_, *thwack*
23:51 < Swivel_> So he thinks he's isolated the problem to something with his interrupts but has no clue how to fix it or what else he needs to address to make it work
23:51 < Swivel_> Sorry, that was a quote, it'd probably be much easier if you just talked to him >.>
23:51 < Swivel_> I'm a terrible middle man
23:52 < ports> Swivel_, tell him to check out the Psocdeveloper.com forums..
23:52 < Swivel_> Alright, that'll work
23:52 < Swivel_> Thanks
23:52 < ports> if he posts his project file there.. they will help him debug it
23:52 < Swivel_> Haha
23:52 < Swivel_> Alright cool
23:52 < ports> he can email me at ports@inserthere.net too
23:52 < mtgrss111> win7 just BSOD'd me
23:52 < Swivel_> Ok, sounds good. I'll forward this to him
23:58 < Barrett> YOU just BSOD'd win7!
23:58 < ports> http://gizmodo.com/5329063/google-voice-app-pulled-following-att-request-apple-support-person-claims
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