--- Log opened Sun Aug 02 00:00:00 2009
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00:15 < incubus> BrandonW!! NOOOOOOOOOO
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00:45 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
00:46 < incubus> i_c-Y, are you around
00:48 < i_c-Y> yes
00:48 < i_c-Y> i just replaced the keyboard on my laptop
00:49 < i_c-Y> whats up, incubus 
00:51 < incubus> i_c-Y, sorry, you saw the breaking of the TI-OS public key?
00:51 < incubus> or whatever you want to call it, the discovery of the public key
00:51  * _Auron_ just has to code in player death, balance enemy spawns and fine-tune enemy AI, add code to 'unlock' the achievements he's put in place, and gameplay music/sfx. that's it.
00:52 < i_c-Y> no
00:53 < incubus> i_c-Y, :O
00:53 < incubus> well now you know
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01:07 < incubus> Does anyone know why it's called the 0004 key?
01:08 < Andy_J> well the 0104 key's filename is actually 0104 so there must be some relation to the filename and the contents of the key
01:09 < incubus> why are you calling it the 0104, that's just a reference to what the filename is?
01:09 < Andy_J> there has to be something in the key that relates to it
01:09 < Andy_J> I dunno
01:09 < incubus> do you know how the signing works in the TI 83?
01:10 < incubus> What information does it decrypt and check from the OS?  I figure it may ask for an encrypted checksum, and then decrypt it and if it matches you are properly certified
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01:11 < al_b> ping
01:12 < al_b> anyone alive in here with a windows VM installed?
01:12 < incubus> ..
01:17 < al_b> hrm
01:17 < al_b> anyone willing to run a sus but probably OK file in a VM for me? :)
01:18 < al_b> I've dissambled it but it's a bit too large to check for nastiness
01:27 < i_c-Y> well maybe you should get your own windows VM
01:28 < al_b> I was hoping someone would say sure. Then it's 5 seconds work instead of 20 mins
01:28 < al_b> nm though I'm making a sandbox account
01:45 < i_c-Y> ninja ninja RAP
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02:39 <@efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
02:40 < ports> hi
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02:51 < KermEEE> woot for factoring
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03:00 < ports> what did you factor
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03:18 <@efneTI92> [Storm|wrk] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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03:38 < KermEEE> hi i_c-Y
03:38 < i_c-Y> sup
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03:49 < i_c-Y> finally they gave me my paycheck...
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04:00 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v ix] by SnowCrash, efneTI81
04:00 < i_c-Y> enough to open up a dunkin donuts in space
04:00 < i_c-Y> BRILLIANT ADVERTISING, SPRINT
04:01 < incubus> i_c-Y, what is your job?
04:01 < ports> haha
04:01 < ports> i_c-Y, it's "in SPAA--AAA--AAA-CE"
04:02 < incubus> Which Ad is this? O_o
04:02 < i_c-Y> anyhow, krispy kreme is far superior to dunkin donuts
04:02 < ports> wtf
04:02 < incubus> ugh
04:02 < ports> not true
04:02 < incubus> Krispy kreme is so dirty
04:02 < ports> KK is going out of business
04:02 < incubus> they expanded way too fast with KK stores
04:02 < i_c-Y> srsly?
04:02 < incubus> dumb move
04:02 < incubus> yes
04:02 < ports> AND
04:03 < ports> KK has some stupid sales agreements
04:03 < incubus> Me and my buddies stole 400 donuts that were left to the garbage man
04:03 < incubus> Every night they throw away the donuts they didn't sell so they are freshly baked everyday.  They had just been put on a dolly next to the back door of the store
04:03 < ports> KK gives donuts to the grocery stores... the cases of a dozen... the stores sell them.. and at the end of the night KK buys back all of the extras... which are many
04:04 < incubus> that's a horrible strategy
04:04 < incubus> they try to keep them fresh
04:04 < incubus> I guess customer wise it was great
04:04 < incubus> Fresh KK donuts everyday
04:04 < ports> well trying to resell through a grocery store is bad anyway
04:04 < incubus> not if you are ONLY selling
04:04 < ports> they just dont sell enough.. and KK must be wasting a lot of cash on buybacks
04:05 < incubus> KK = Heart attack
04:05 < incubus> it's fried sugar dammit
04:05 < ports> i dont like donuts
04:05 < incubus> it's like funnel cake laced with crack
04:05 < incubus> I am a sucker for donuts, not KK's though
04:06 < incubus> I don't eat them a lot though
04:06 < incubus> like maybe once every 6 months
04:06 < ports> they hurt my teeth
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04:06 < ports> too much sugar
04:06 < incubus> lol
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04:06 < incubus> you have some sensitive ass teeth
04:06 < ports> but i like lemon donuts from dunkin donuts
04:06 < incubus> pardon the expression
04:06 < ports> i do
04:06 < incubus> do you like coffee
04:07 < ports> yes
04:07 < incubus> mmm
04:07 < ports> you know who has great coffee?
04:07 < incubus> starbucks?
04:07 < incubus> dunkin?
04:07 < ports> DK store blend
04:07 < ports> yeah
04:07 < incubus> lots of people like dunkin donuts coffee
04:07 < ports> yeah theyre famous for it
04:07 < incubus> My friend told me this, They have Dunkin Donuts up north a lot
04:08 < incubus> but they don't have a lot of private owned donut shops
04:08 < incubus> While where I live, in the South, it's mostly Privately owned donut shops
04:08 < incubus> and only a few dunkin donuts spread throughout town and mostly in the urban city
04:08 < ports> theres some private owned bakeries in each town
04:09 < incubus> well we have LOTS
04:09 < ports> but they have to specialize in other things besides donuts to survive
04:09 < incubus> There are 3 or 4 donut shops within 2-3 miles of me
04:09 < incubus> and 0 Dunkins
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04:09 < incubus> Not really, Donuts, Kolaches
04:09 < incubus> that's it
04:09 < ports> cake
04:09 < incubus> no cakes
04:09 < ports> i mean true bakery
04:09 < incubus> ooh a bakery
04:09 < incubus> ya
04:09 < ports> where they sell donuts, but lots of other baked items too
04:09 < incubus> There are very few bakeries here, most of the bakeries are in the grocery stores
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04:10 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o SnowCrash] by Remius
04:10 < ports> Wood Bakery is pretty well known where i live
04:10 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o SnowCrash] by efneTI86
04:10 < ports> because they deliver donuts to all the local gas stations, and places that resell fresh donuts
04:10 < ports> they also do some great cookies and things
04:10 < incubus> We have Panera bread
04:10 < incubus> which is kind of an oddity
04:10 < ports> no
04:10 < ports> i hate panera
04:10 < ports> http://www.woodbakery.com/
04:10 < incubus> we don't have those :(
04:10 < ports> even though i had dinner there thursday night
04:10 < ports> no wood bakery is a local place
04:10 < incubus> wait is that a SINGLE place?
04:10 < incubus> lol
04:11 < ports> yes
04:11 < ports> but you see what i mean... they do a lot more than donuts to survive
04:11 < incubus> 'course
04:13 < i_c-Y> catherine zeta jones is 39?
04:14 < incubus> ew
04:14 < incubus> she looks older
04:14 < ports> heh
04:14 < ports> her face has taken a lot of use
04:14 < incubus> lol?
04:15 < ports> just like leo's sister
04:15 < ports> he called her a cock whore the other day
04:15 < incubus> leo's sister?
04:15 < incubus> wtf?
04:15 < ports> yeah
04:15 < ports> hes like the women in my family like the cock.... a lot.
04:15 < incubus> link! :)
04:15 < incubus> LOL
04:15 < ports> i asked him if his sister was a virgin
04:15 < incubus> oh you mean LEO
04:15 < incubus> our leo
04:15 < ports> and shes like fuck no
04:15 < ports> yes
04:15 < ports> leofox,
04:15 < incubus> I thought you meant leo dicaprio
04:15 < ports> why would i talk about him?
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04:16 < ports> anyways
04:16 < incubus> why do you think I did a double question mark?  :P
04:16 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by efneTI85
04:16 <+krisk> anyway
04:16 < incubus> "wtf?"
04:16 < ports> anyways
04:16 < ports> yeah he called her a whore
04:16 <+krisk> s
04:16 < ports> so now i really want to meet her
04:16 < incubus> ports, pics
04:16 < ports> incubus, you saw pics
04:16 < incubus> oh wait that brunette?
04:16 < incubus> dude
04:16 < ports> yes
04:16 <+krisk> link
04:16 < incubus> I knew she was a cock whore
04:16 < ports> why
04:16 < ports> is she on 4chan?
04:16 < ports> krisk, no
04:17 < incubus> A girl's appearance diminishes the more cock she has, I'm not sure why
04:17 < ports> she was still attractive
04:17 < ports> id have sex with her
04:17 < incubus> meh I wouldn't
04:17 <+krisk> link
04:17 < ports> i hope leofox comes back to see this
04:17 < incubus> krisk, lol
04:17 < incubus> I could log it
04:17 < ports> its not in my logs
04:17 < ports> im on my laptop
04:18 < incubus> I'd do that hippy chick krisk linked before Leo's sister
04:18 < ports> wtf
04:18 < ports> power rangers rpm?
04:18 < ports> no
04:18 < ports> that hippy chick was nasty
04:18 < ports> she loked dirty
04:18 < incubus> that's what made it hot :)
04:18 < ports> eww
04:18 <+krisk> i dont remember what hippy chick i linked before leofox's sister
04:18 < ports> she needed to shower
04:19 < incubus> http://94.100.115.111/341000001-341050000/341019001-341019100/341019093_6_JkVW.jpeg
04:19 <+krisk> ah yeah she's nice
04:19 < incubus> lol
04:19 < incubus> I am hippy at heart
04:19 <+krisk> im not a huge fan of her face but she looks nicer irl so thats no problem
04:19 <+krisk> she looks like a goapsy girl i knew too
04:20 <+krisk> this one i only met once
04:20 < incubus> http://94.100.113.65/606650001-606700000/606690501-606690600/606690507_6_Vc4l.jpeg
04:20 < incubus> http://94.100.113.36/489600001-489650000/489628401-489628500/489628474_6_Kf30.jpeg
04:20 < incubus> Leos sis
04:20 < incubus> Leo's*
04:20 <+krisk> second pic is cuter
04:20 <+krisk> the hippie is more my thing though
04:20 <+krisk> yay goapsy hippies
04:20 < incubus> I like the hippie
04:20 <+krisk> the nonjunky ones are nice
04:20 <+krisk> though rare
04:21 <+krisk> i gotta find some parties with emphasis on the hippies rather than the junkies
04:21 < incubus> lol
04:21 < ports> haha
04:21 < ports> id have sex with his sister
04:21 < incubus> lol
04:22 < incubus> btw I assure you she's fucking dirty as shit in bed
04:22 < incubus> way dirtier than the hippie girl
04:22 < ports> i know
04:22 < incubus> hahhaa
04:22 < incubus> strange how we both know that :)
04:23 <+krisk> the bad thing about the hippie girl is a whore girl i know said she's sweet which usually means she isn't sweet at all
04:23 < incubus> no actually saying they're sweet usually means they are sweet
04:24 < incubus> krisk, hippie girl is a whore?
04:24 <+krisk> i dont know
04:24 <+krisk> i met her once
04:24 < incubus> oh you are talking about 2 girls there
04:24 <+krisk> actually, she has a bf
04:24 < incubus> my bad
04:24 <+krisk> so i guess she's ok
04:24 < incubus> trust me dude she's gentle as a lamb in bed
04:24 < incubus> Leo's sister is dirty
04:24 < incubus> she's a practice girl
04:24 <+krisk> yeah she has had one for quite a while so she must be a lot nicer than the whore girl i met her through
04:24 <+krisk> oh i agree
04:25 < incubus> god I hope my sister isn't a cock whore
04:25 < incubus> :*(
04:25 < ports> lol
04:25 <+krisk> mine is a bitch
04:26 < ports> youre a bitch
04:26 <+krisk> she has different bf every idk month
04:26 < incubus> mine is a super bitch
04:26 < incubus> but she doesn't have many bfs
04:26 < ports> incubus, mine is married
04:26 < incubus> is she still hot?
04:26 < incubus> or did she let herself go
04:26 <+krisk> mine is
04:26 < incubus> krisk, WTF
04:26 < ports> i like my sister
04:26 <+krisk> what
04:26 < ports> dont make me hurt you
04:26 < incubus> krisk, did you just say your sister is hot?
04:26 <+krisk> yes
04:26 <+krisk> its true
04:26 < incubus> O_O
04:27 < ports> krisk, photos
04:27 < incubus> pics or it didn't happen
04:27 <+krisk> very much not my type though
04:27 < incubus> LMFAO
04:27 < incubus> I WOULD HOPE SO!!!!!!
04:27 < ports> pics
04:27 < incubus> lmfao @ ports
04:27 <+krisk> she's a dancer
04:27 < incubus> meh
04:27 < ports> pole?
04:27 <+krisk> http://94.100.113.27/599350001-599400000/599387901-599388000/599387939_6_sLkE.jpeg
04:27 < incubus> I don't like dancer bodies
04:28 <+krisk> no ballet and modern dance and stuff
04:28 < incubus> dude your sister is average as all hell
04:28 < ports> more please
04:28 < incubus> er well actually I can't really say, I am biased against redheads and blondes
04:28 <+krisk> she should grow her hair a bit longer
04:28 < incubus> how tall is she
04:28 < ports> krisk, more photos
04:28 <+krisk> 6'
04:29 < incubus> I won't have sex with a chick that is taller than me unless she has big boobs or butt
04:29 < incubus> dizam
04:29 < incubus> almost taller than me
04:29 <+krisk> actually 6'2 i think
04:29 <+krisk> 1m85
04:29 < incubus> ugh
04:29 < incubus> no thank you sir
04:29 <+krisk> hehe you couldnt handle her anyway
04:29 < ports> incubus, you got a sister?
04:29 < incubus> (as if krisk were auctioning his sister)
04:29 < incubus> ports, yes
04:29 < incubus> but I'm too paranoid to ever show a pic of her
04:29 <+krisk> hey, if youre paying...
04:29 < ports> incubus, how old
04:29 < incubus> 21 in october
04:29 < ports> incubus, is she a whore?
04:29 <+krisk> mine is 21
04:29 < incubus> I don't think so
04:30 < incubus> she's had 1 bf
04:30 < incubus> I'm sure they fucked like rabbits but other than that I don't think so
04:30 < ports> i could teach her some new tricks if shes attractive
04:30 < incubus> she'd kill you
04:30 < ports> how
04:30 < incubus> she's crazy mean
04:30 < ports> because if its being smothered by vagina... im ok with that
04:31 < incubus> I'd do your brown sister, I already imagine her as this other brown mexican chick I knew (no idea if you are mexican)
04:31 < ports> no im not
04:32 <+krisk> desperate much?
04:32 < incubus> Well I'll assume she looks like 'Isis' anyways
04:32 < incubus> krisk, no I just like brown women
04:32 <+krisk> hair or skin?
04:32 < incubus> both
04:32 < ports> see
04:32 < ports> photo
04:32 < ports> now
04:32 < incubus> ?
04:33 < incubus> of?
04:33 < ports> your sister
04:33 < incubus> nevar
04:33 < ports> i have a photo of me and an exgirlfriend somewheres
04:33 < incubus> lol are you trying to trade me?
04:33 <+krisk> the fat one?
04:33 < incubus> LOL
04:33 < ports> no
04:33 < incubus> LOL OMG
04:33 < ports> jr19, says i fucked up my letting her go
04:34 <+krisk> you had a choice?
04:34 < incubus> is she white
04:34 < ports> no
04:34 < ports> krisk, and somewhat
04:34 < incubus> I'd do her
04:34 < ports> she tried to give me an opportunity to keep her from marrying someone else
04:34 <+krisk> link?
04:35 < ports> cant yet
04:35 <+krisk> ok
04:35 < ports> i added the photo to my download queue
04:35 < incubus> lol
04:35 < ports> its on my desktop back at my hotel
04:35 < incubus> you can't leave me hanging with an anticipatory semi
04:35 <+krisk> lol her marriage is gonna go great i see
04:35 < ports> but Live Sync is slow today
04:36 < ports> krisk, she'll be fine.. she tried to talk to me before she went to India to do an arranged marriage...
04:36 <+krisk> oh
04:36 < incubus> btw if you can't tell I'm extremely misogynistic
04:36 <+krisk> eh most girls deserve that
04:36 <+krisk> nice ones are rare
04:37 < ports> i got my new car
04:37 < ports> its freaking sweet
04:37 <+krisk> nice people in general are rare
04:37 < ports> yeah im not nice
04:37 <+krisk> how can you afford such a car
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04:37 < Andy_J> I don't think anyone here qualifies as "nice"
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04:37 <+krisk> i do
04:37 < Andy_J> except maybe SnowCrash 
04:37  * boscop is nice
04:38 <+krisk> i'm very nice
04:38 < ports> krisk, what
04:38 < incubus> im nice in r/l
04:38 <+krisk> all my friends say im too nice
04:38 < ports> really
04:38 < ports> my friends call me an asshole
04:38 < ports> krisk, http://hphotos-snc1.fbcdn.net/hs123.snc1/5292_581626718608_37705721_34286026_6220197_n.jpg
04:39 <+krisk> A4?
04:39 < ports> yup
04:39 <+krisk> its nice
04:39 < ports> thanks
04:39 <+krisk> i wouldnt take the same colour but its nice
04:39 <+krisk> how much was it?
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04:39 < ports> it was hard finding that color.. but i think it was worth it
04:39 < ports> it stands out
04:39 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Goplat] by SnowCrash
04:39 <+krisk> true
04:39 <+krisk> i prefer darker tones
04:39 <+krisk> like those two in the background
04:40 < ports> i used to have a steel grey car
04:40 <+krisk> i like grey
04:40 < ports> http://dealerrevs.com/pictures/2442289.jpg
04:40 < ports> thats a bad photo
04:41 <+krisk> yeah thats a nice colour
04:41 < ports> he took it against the sun
04:41 < ports> http://www.bmw.co.uk/AUC/vehicle_images/_original/SR03NHT_01_pf_250609_1.jpg
04:41 < ports> this is it
04:41 <+krisk> yeah
04:41 <+krisk> its nice
04:41 < ports> thanks
04:41 < ports> i drove that for 6 years
04:41 <+krisk> more my colour
04:41 < incubus> you bought it new?
04:41 <+krisk> but a4 is nicer
04:41 < ports> incubus, yep.. the 325xi had 3 miles on it when i bought it
04:41 < incubus> rich family ! :P
04:42 < ports> krisk, of course.. the a4 is 6 years newer....
04:42 <+krisk> yeah how can you afford this?
04:42 < ports> incubus, my parents do well.
04:42 < ports> krisk, because i have a great job right now
04:42 <+krisk> how old are you?
04:42 < incubus> 24
04:42 < ports> 23
04:42 < incubus> doh
04:42 <+krisk> crazy
04:42 < ports> incubus, jr19 is 24
04:42 < incubus> how logical :P
04:43 < ports> incubus, 19 is his baseball jersey number
04:43 < incubus> lmfao?
04:43 <+krisk> well its nice to be able to afford nice things
04:43 < incubus> he's a ball player?
04:43 < ports> incubus, yeah
04:43 <+krisk> i wouldnt know how to get that kind of money though
04:43 < incubus> krisk, how old are you?
04:43 < ports> krisk, save, save, save
04:43 < ports> 22
04:43 <+krisk> 22
04:43 < ports> 15
04:43 < incubus> what is your major?
04:43 < ports> 39
04:43 <+krisk> you need money to save :p
04:43 < ports> BREAK!
04:44 < ports> krisk, ive finished my first college degree.. and im already on my 2nd job out of college..
04:44 <+krisk> hmm
04:44 < incubus> ports, you going back to grad school?
04:44 < ports> incubus, once my company benefits start paying for it
04:44 <+krisk> im practically finished but i wont see any great jobs after it so im not really bothered to finish just yet
04:44 <+krisk> maybe if i follow up with a year of uni to get a master
04:45 < incubus> I still have 2 years to go, I have had a rocky college road
04:45 < ports> incubus, i havent completely decided what i want a masters in
04:45 <+krisk> i do ICT business engineering major
04:45 <+krisk> software minoir
04:45 < incubus> what's ICT?
04:45 <+krisk> IT?
04:45 < ports> it depends how hard i want to work in my 40's
04:45 <+krisk> computerstuff
04:45 < incubus> oh IT
04:45 < incubus> ports, I think I am going to finish college and go straight to grad school
04:45 <+krisk> information and communication tech
04:45 < ports> ive started a masters in engineering, and another in business adminstration
04:46 < incubus> I think I want to do VLSI
04:46 < ports> incubus, meh.. i had that plan.. but people offered me a lot of money to not go back to school
04:46 < incubus> I just don't know at this point yet
04:46 <+krisk> best i think i can hope for 24k a year
04:46 < ports> krisk, ouch
04:46 <+krisk> idk
04:46 < incubus> 24k Pounds?
04:46 <+krisk> euro
04:46 < incubus> that's not bad
04:46 <+krisk> maybe 30
04:46 < ports> thats around $40k usd
04:47 < incubus> er wait that's 34k
04:47 <+krisk> half of it would go to rent :/
04:47 < incubus> Dude, getting a job out of college is GOOD
04:47 <+krisk> of course
04:47 < incubus> ANY job that isn't poverty line
04:47 < ports> right
04:47 <+krisk> sure, but i want to do as godo as i possibly can
04:47 < incubus> I have so many fucking friends with Communications degrees working at 12 or 13 dollars an hour
04:47 < ports> i got an offer for $55k usd + $5k bonus. and my expense account is another $10k this year
04:47 < incubus> krisk, sure
04:47 < incubus> ports, cool :D
04:48 < ports> it might end up being $15k by the end of the year
04:48 < incubus> ports, do you know anything about VLSI?
04:48 < ports> incubus, no
04:48 < ports> what is that
04:48 < incubus> Very large scale integration
04:48 < ports> oh
04:48 < ports> no
04:48 < incubus> basically making processors and IC's
04:48 < ports> hey
04:48 < ports> there was a link on digg
04:48 < ports> a video of a procesor being made a few days ago
04:48 < incubus> really?
04:48  * incubus checks
04:48 <+krisk> actually, i should expect more towards 30-32k after colelge is done if i change jobs and do something a little more serious, but i want to know what i could do that would be a step above java/c# enterprise stuff
04:48 < incubus> quantum processor?
04:49 < ports> no
04:49 < ports> regular Q
04:49 < incubus> I'm scared to go into VLSI with Quantum computing being on the forefront of computing
04:49 < incubus> Semi-conductor CMOS processors will always have a place
04:49 < incubus> I just don't know what their future holds
04:50 < ports> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-intel-how-cpu-made,8298.html
04:50 < incubus> bah I know HOW they are made :)
04:50 < ports> incubus, im an engineer.. i do work with industrial plants and new technology installations
04:50 < ports> incubus, its the video thats cool jackass
04:50 < incubus> ports, I'm kiddig
04:50 < incubus> kidding
04:50 < incubus> ports, "im an engineer.. i do work with industrial plants and new technology installations"  ... Go on
04:50 <+krisk> the annoying thing is i dont feel ive learned anything at college
04:51 < incubus> don't do fucking IT
04:51 <+krisk> i think any decent job would require me to learn a shitton before i could do it
04:51 < incubus> unless you plan to work really hard OUT of college
04:51 < ports> where i used to work for a year and half... people would come to use with some new piece of equipment.. and we would integrate it into their process.. and do the engineering for any new problems it caused
04:51 <+krisk> yeah im looking for another field to go to
04:51 <+krisk> maybe do uni
04:51 <+krisk> but i dont know what
04:51 < incubus> krisk, Comp Sci?  Math?
04:51 < incubus> Engineering?
04:51 <+krisk> no im no good with math
04:51 < incubus> Chemistry?
04:51 < incubus> get good
04:52 <+krisk> no
04:52 < incubus> lol
04:52 < ports> incubus, a lot of what i do now is... lab chemist come up with a way to make something in the lab... i convert that into a manufacturing process... instead of beakers and gently "pouring the top off of the liquid" ... i find machines to do that
04:52 < incubus> that sounds more like an industrial engineer
04:52 < ports> im a jack of all trades
04:52 < incubus> nice
04:52 < incubus> Do you know any EEs?
04:53 < ports> yeah
04:53 < ports> the EE work is the only thing i dont do
04:53 < incubus> do they seem high in number, low in demand
04:53 < incubus> ?
04:53 < ports> but i have a chemistry background.. im a mechanical engineer.. and i have an industrial background
04:53 < ports> not exactly
04:54 < ports> EE's are good system modelers and programmers
04:54 < incubus> :D
04:54 <+krisk> chem or psy could work for me
04:54 < ports> but when you cut funding.. you stop paying those guys first
04:54 < incubus> haha
04:54 < incubus> that sucks
04:54 < ports> yeah
04:54 <+krisk> EE's?
04:55 < incubus> Electrical Engineers
04:55 < ports> yeah
04:55 < ports> it depends where they work too incubus
04:55 < incubus> ya
04:55 < incubus> that's the thing about EE, it's extremely broad
04:55 < ports> i have a friend with an EE degree and a CompSci degree.
04:56 <+krisk> idk what i do really
04:56 <+krisk> its crap
04:56 < ports> so right now hes actually writing database processing applications for some accounting firms
04:56 < incubus> hee
04:56 < incubus> hehe*
04:56 <+krisk> theyre mergin together EE CompSci and IT stuff now
04:56 <+krisk> into one course thing
04:56 < ports> incubus, all degrees are broad.
04:56 < ports> incubus, its your job to find what you want to do with your skill set..
04:56 < incubus> VLSI is pretty specific though, you can't exactly get someone from off the street to do it
04:57 < incubus> ports, I am interested enough with everything in electronics, I just want the most job safety possible
04:57 < ports> then be good at your job
04:58 <+krisk> hehe
05:02 < incubus> That's a really cool video btw
05:02 <+krisk> yeah
05:03 <+krisk> i wonder how much those guys in white suits earn
05:03 < ports> a lot
05:03 < incubus> over 50k each for certain
05:03 < incubus> :)
05:04 < incubus> a lot of disciplines there
05:04 < incubus> krisk, Chemistry is a mind fuck btw
05:05 < incubus> It has a 'tweener skillset between Memorization and Physical concepts, with math thrown in there
05:05 <+krisk> true
05:05 < incubus> Either you are really, REALLY into it, or you aren't and you suck dick at it
05:05 <+krisk> eh i can only judge based on highschool chem
05:05 <+krisk> i was good at that
05:06 <+krisk> im good with concepts
05:06 <+krisk> cbf to memorize stuff unless im really into it so it happens automatically
05:06 <+krisk> and fuck math
05:06 < incubus> math is so much better though
05:06 <+krisk> math just doesnt agree with me
05:06 <+krisk> im way too slow for it
05:06 < incubus> math is so much more interesting for me to study
05:06 < incubus> Chemistry is snoozeville
05:06 <+krisk> i could leanr math well
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05:07 <+krisk> but it would take long and id still be very slow at it
05:07 <+krisk> not that im looking at chem
05:07 <+krisk> but idk what i should go and do
05:07 < incubus> well you are considering it right? :)
05:07 <+krisk> im considering anything
05:07 <+krisk> i just wnat to figure out what to do
05:07 < incubus> make a website like Digg.com
05:08 < incubus> and make 60 million fucking dollars, Kevin Rose piece of shit
05:08 <+krisk> having a shitton of money here is pointless
05:08 < incubus> UK?
05:08 < incubus> oh NL
05:08 <+krisk> we have a thing where they tax how much money you own
05:08 <+krisk> yeah NL
05:08 < incubus> LOL WHAT?
05:08 <+krisk> so if you have million itll be gone in a couple of years even if you do nothing
05:08 < incubus> um Offshore bank account much?
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05:08 <+krisk> yeah id just move to US probably
05:09 < Andy_J> !k Merth|G1 >_________>
05:09 -!- Merth|G1 was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [ajanata: >_________>]
05:09 < incubus> lol Greediest place on Earth :D
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05:09  * Andy_J IRL-ducks
05:09 <+krisk> maybe something in biology would work for me
05:10 < incubus> either you are a lab technician or a PhD in that field, no?
05:10 <+krisk> sports training, nutrition, that kind of stuff
05:10 < incubus> lol you aren't even looking for money
05:10 < incubus> you are just looking for something to do
05:10 <+krisk> money would be nice
05:10 < incubus> krisk, do you get money from the government in NL if you have no money?
05:10 <+krisk> i wont be bothered to do it if it wont pay better than what i already can do
05:11 <+krisk> i have a little job
05:11 <+krisk> but i only work parttime so i can finish college some time
05:11 <+krisk> and because its not all that fun to work fulltime and have nothing else to do
05:11 < incubus> Gefeliciteerd
05:11 <+krisk> je moeder
05:11 < incubus> :D
05:11 <+krisk> and if i go to uni some time i wont be able to work full time either
05:12 <+krisk> basically, i want to find an awesome job that i could be happy with doing fulltime and making a shitton of money at
05:12 <+krisk> something i would be really great at
05:12 < incubus> wait though answer my question
05:12 <+krisk> ok
05:12 < incubus> in NL do you get money from the Govt. if you have no money?
05:12 <+krisk> you can
05:13 <+krisk> if youve worked for at least 6 months you can get money from the govt if youre unemployed
05:13 < incubus> bah just like the US
05:13 < incubus> where the fuck do all your damn taxes go, goodness
05:13 < incubus> Free education?
05:13 <+krisk> but you have to keep looking for a new job
05:13 <+krisk> yeah education is increadibly cheap
05:13 <+krisk> only 1500 a year
05:13 < Barrett> dang... CentOS isn't gonna fork...
05:13 < Barrett> I was hoping it would
05:13 <+krisk> doesnt matter if you do college or uni either
05:13 < Barrett> the name CentOS sucks... and so does the logo
05:14 < incubus> nice
05:14 <+krisk> but i dont really believe in college anymore
05:14 < incubus> Barrett, did you see the TI OS public key was cracked?
05:14 <+krisk> i dont think it makes you a pro at anything
05:14 < incubus> krisk, what do you mean 'college' vs. Uni?
05:14 < incubus> you mean like a vocational school?
05:14 < Barrett> incubus: yes
05:14 <+krisk> huh?
05:14 <+krisk> idk what vocational is
05:14 < incubus> Barrett, do you know all the details of how the OS works in verifying the certificate?
05:15 < Barrett> nope
05:15 < incubus> krisk, what is a college in your view, college != University?
05:15 < incubus> Barrett, damn
05:15 < incubus> Barrett, who the hell does, JUST BrandonW?
05:15 < incubus> lol
05:15 <+krisk> college is a regular job, like a software engineer or something
05:15 <+krisk> university is mostly research
05:15 < incubus> College is a level of education
05:15 <+krisk> and for jobs like lawyers opr architects
05:16 < incubus> They have Degrees at Universities for Software Engineering, I'm confused on how you're using the terms
05:16 <+krisk> yeah but its not like we have the world's best colelges or universities so you have to look a little more practical at it
05:16 <+krisk> software engineering at university is more research and papers
05:16 <+krisk> at colelge its learnign to program and design
05:17 <+krisk> we also have a subcollege level
05:17 <+krisk> which learns nothing
05:17 < incubus> lol
05:17 < incubus> We have Vocational Schools
05:17 <+krisk> final year at the you might learn some php or html designing
05:17 <+krisk> at colelge youll learn coding and design standards, metrics, patterns, etc
05:17 < incubus> ya, ITT Tech, Devry, Etc ( I think those would be Equiv. to what you're talking about )
05:17 <+krisk> uni idk
05:18 <+krisk> idk i just want to find something i can be a rela pro at
05:18 < incubus> why not open a Hash bar? :)
05:18 <+krisk> *real
05:18 <+krisk> hehe thats more something for a hobby :P
05:18 < incubus> lol
05:19 <+krisk> although this city does need an awesome hangout
05:19 <+krisk> and im sure i could think of something great
05:19 < incubus> which city
05:19 <+krisk> almere
05:19 <+krisk> pos
05:19 <+krisk> the whole country sucks but all the nice outings here have gone bankrupt because of HUEG rent
05:19 < incubus> krisk, Are hash bars and cannabis clubs allowed to exist in all of the Netherlands?
05:19 <+krisk> yes they are
05:19 <+krisk> but there are rules and legislations to follow
05:19 <+krisk> expensive papers to own
05:19 <+krisk> etc
05:20 < incubus> krisk, did you just say The Entire country of The Netherlands sucks?
05:20 <+krisk> yes i did
05:20 < incubus> 'the whole country sucks
05:20 <+krisk> it does
05:20 < incubus> why does the Country suck?
05:20 <+krisk> everything closes early
05:20 <+krisk> there are no great clubs
05:20 < incubus> do you mean the country sucks in that one regard?
05:20 < incubus> and wtf about Amsterdam?
05:20 <+krisk> it sucks in more ways
05:21 <+krisk> this country has a lot of personality and character
05:21 <+krisk> but thats it
05:21 <+krisk> we have no great successes
05:21 < i_c-Y> does the woman who plays pamela landy in bourne always be such a bitch?
05:21 < incubus> lol
05:21 <+krisk> no successfull people
05:21 <+krisk> no great party scenes
05:21 < incubus> There are successful Dutch
05:21 <+krisk> we have nothing awesome
05:21 < incubus> You have Marijuana! :)
05:21 <+krisk> the only really successful dutch are world class athletes
05:21 <+krisk> or politicians
05:22 <+krisk> and directors of really big companies
05:22 < i_c-Y> or famake jennsen
05:22 < incubus> You have a lot of good Mathematicians too, or at least you did
05:22 <+krisk> but its not like youll see successfull young people
05:22 <+krisk> idk
05:22 < incubus> Bernoulli anyone?
05:22 < incubus> Huygens
05:22 <+krisk> in any case the nights here suck pretty bad
05:23 <+krisk> the big parties are overrun with scum
05:23 < j-b-r> Wait, let me get this straight, you live in the netherlands, and you _don't like it_?
05:23 <+krisk> and the small hangouts are even worse and theyre small
05:23 <+krisk> its ok
05:23 < j-b-r> What countries are better, then?
05:23 < incubus> I can imagine The Netherlands sucking
05:23 < incubus> j-b-r, the US
05:23 <+krisk> well i can imagine the night scene in the US being a lot better
05:23 < incubus> krisk, don't be too sure, Remember the US is a very dangerous place, especially at many night clubs
05:23 <+krisk> lets say you go out in amsterdam
05:23 <+krisk> there are a few big clubs that are pretty popular, but theyre not my thing
05:24 <+krisk> youll have to like hiphop/r&b/dance
05:24 < incubus> That's the same way it is here
05:24 <+krisk> or youll have to find an underground/scene club
05:24 < j-b-r> Ok, being a US citizen is useful and all, and I wouldn't realistically give it up, but apart from that, I would much prefer to live somewhere other than here
05:24 <+krisk> which are overrun with awfull people
05:24 < incubus> j-b-r, sounds like you've never been anywhere else then
05:24 <+krisk> most alternative folk are junkies
05:24 <+krisk> and to top it all off cafes close pretty early in the night
05:24 < j-b-r> Hold on, I'm not saying I want to love _anywhere_ else
05:24 < incubus> krisk, it's the exact same here, trust me
05:25 <+krisk> eh could be
05:25 < incubus> The only thing you have in the US that sounds different is a wide variety of people
05:25 <+krisk> you have gigantic cities with populations = this whole country though
05:25 < incubus> lol
05:25 < incubus> krisk, and those cities are like fucking war zones
05:25 < incubus> Many parts you would NEVER want to visit
05:25 <+krisk> true i guess
05:25 <+krisk> ill be sure to travel through the US some time and find out
05:25 <+krisk> ill let you know what the difference really is
05:26 < incubus> My state has more people than your entire country, almost double
05:26 <+krisk> im just kinda disappointed in what can be done here
05:26 <+krisk> this city had two pretty fun alternative clubs but they have been changed
05:27 <+krisk> there was a bowling alley but it has gone bankrupt from insane rent
05:27 <+krisk> some other party clubs that i didnt care about had to close too
05:27 < incubus> I think you just sound bored as shit lol
05:27 <+krisk> now theres only bars with old people, dance clubs with young slutty people, or the movie theatre
05:27 < incubus> Partying is the most overrated shit ever
05:28 < incubus> Concerts are cool, hanging out at a bar is okay, but dance clubs and house parties are overrated to all hell
05:28 <+krisk> theyre just for getting sex idk
05:28 <+krisk> they arent actually fun activities but people go there to get drunk and fuck around i suppose
05:28 <+krisk> of course concerts are cool
05:28 < incubus> Go to a club with black people
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05:28 < incubus> see how much fun you have
05:28 <+krisk> amsterdam has some pretty cool bars
05:29 <+krisk> theres one bar where alternative folk hang out but theyre mostly junkies and i dont know any of them
05:29 < incubus> I'm being biased though it's just the clubs in the South suck ass, I've never seen one that was halfway decent
05:29 < incubus> except maybe florida
05:29 <+krisk> hmm
05:29 <+krisk> i'd want to check out the underground rave scene in the us too
05:30 <+krisk> we have a pretty big goapsy scene with lots of parties throughout the country
05:30 < incubus> I think the rave scene has dwindled down to a very small underground venue
05:30 <+krisk> but i dont know anyone in it and the ones ive met i dont really want to know
05:30 <+krisk> i think this goes for a lot of the people here
05:30 < incubus> Most people realized Extacy is extremely bad for you
05:31 <+krisk> amsterdam is pretty fun for me to walk around in but actually gettign to know some of the alternative folk just gets me disappointed in how fail people are
05:32 <+krisk> one goa party on queen's day was really nice with happy hippies of all ages dancing and having fun
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05:32 <+krisk> but another goa party ive gone to that was more underground was just a bunch of junkies sitting there snorting speed
05:33 < incubus> lol
05:33 <+krisk> i like a lot about the party and stoner scenes but its hard to enjoy yourself when most of the people there are really awfull
05:34 <+krisk> id probably have a totalyl different opinion if i had had the luck of meeting and getting to know some really positive fun people
05:34 <+krisk> but i have little luck in that area
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05:34 < incubus> The Stoner scene in the south sucks
05:35 < BMerth_J> !k krisk You angered me in conversation on the drive up here
05:35 -!- krisk was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [ajanata: You angered me in conversation on the drive up here]
05:35 < incubus> ?
05:35 -!- krisk [~krisk@j239072.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #tcpa
05:35 < krisk> huh what
05:35 < BMerth_J> twasn't me
05:35 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by etaonrish
05:35 < BMerth_J> twas bsparks
05:35 <+krisk> who is anjanata
05:35 < incubus> BMerth_J, do you know about the TI OS public key being cracked?
05:35 <+krisk> or whatever
05:35 <+krisk> and wtf am i even kicked?
05:36 < BMerth_J> incubus: really? REALLY? It's Andy_J, bsparks, and Merthsoft here. WE KNOW lol
05:36 <+krisk> huhwhat
05:37 <+krisk> http://cgi.4chan.org/gif/src/1249137813645.gif
05:37 < incubus> BMerth_J, no no I mean do you know the particulars of how the Calculator Certifies the OS?
05:38 <+krisk> eh fuck it im gonna squatz
05:39 < incubus> krisk, that a weed bubble?
05:39 <+krisk> hookah smoke i think
05:39 < incubus> ew
05:39 <+krisk> could be any smoke really
05:39 <+krisk> id like to think it is weed yeah
05:39 < incubus> smoke is bad for you
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05:39 <+krisk> yes
05:39 <+krisk> but shes cute
05:39 < incubus> BMerth_J, don't leave me hanging!
05:39 < incubus> I'd do her
05:39 <+krisk> and she does the cute *headbump* thing
05:40 <+krisk> i need a cute stoner girl like that so i wont have to care about any scenes or going outs anymore, anything will be fun to do TOGETHER
05:40 <+krisk> <3
05:40 < incubus> lol
05:40 <+krisk> through the power of love
05:40 < incubus> you don't find cute stoner girls at clubs
05:40 < incubus> at least here you don't
05:41 <+krisk> i dont go to clubs
05:41 <+krisk> you dont find cute stoner girls here anywhere
05:42 <+krisk> not with my luck anyway
05:42 < incubus> man I don't want a stoner girl
05:43 < incubus> all stoner girls have something wrong with them
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05:43 <+krisk> in my experience all but a very few people have huge issues
05:44 <+krisk> maybe i attract really bad folk somehow idk
05:44 <+krisk> ive met some nice people in highschool who are still my best friends and since then ive only met one person who seems actually nice
05:44 <+krisk> a girl even
05:44 < incubus> I've had some weird fucking experiences
05:46 <+krisk> yeah
05:46 <+krisk> people i dont know are really wierd
05:46 < incubus> I had a streak of meeting really 'bad' people until it all culminated into me getting punched in this face by this crazy psycho dude I met who thought I had sex with his girlfriend
05:46 <+krisk> and they eityher think theyre the greatest thing alive and what theyu do is ok or they do it to rebel against everything else
05:47 <+krisk> lol
05:47 < incubus> We had some disputes over money, and I told him to go fuck himself, he was trying to extort me for money through a mutual friend
05:48 < incubus> Then I had his girlfriend drive me home one night when I was drunk, and he came to my room, I open the door, and he punches me square in the face
05:48 <+krisk> people are fun
05:48 < incubus> yah
05:48 <+krisk> its like most people arent even trying to live properly
05:48 < incubus> I deserved it in a few ways though (sort of)
05:48 <+krisk> either theyre just too stupid or they dont care
05:48 <+krisk> hehe
05:48 < incubus> no, they live by the seat of their emotions
05:49 < incubus> Their emotions make their decisions, and then when shit doesn't work out, they freak
05:49 <+krisk> idk im pretty sensitive to my emotions but they dont cause me to become a junkie and mess people up
05:49 <+krisk> maybe my emotions are more constructive and nice
05:50 < incubus> I've never messed up people, I've been shady to a couple people, but overall I've been a warm hearted individual
05:51 <+krisk> people have only messed up me
05:51 <+krisk> some have made me happy
05:51 <+krisk> i try to only surround myself with them
05:52 < incubus> I'm too distrustful to surround myself with people now, I am a huge loner when I used to be extremely needy of people
05:52 <+krisk> yeah i used to think most people were as nice as my friends
05:52 < jr19> hi
05:52 < incubus> hai
05:52 <+krisk> yo
05:52 < incubus> krisk, that's what I thought lol
05:53 <+krisk> luckily im still pretty hopefull and nice so bad people can hurt me pretty quickly and i can filter them out asap
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05:54 <@efneTI92> [Storm|wrk] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
05:54 < jr19> krisk you seem to live a very analytical life
05:55 <+krisk> very
05:55 <+krisk> i spend a lot of free time figuring out how to be better and how to get things i want
05:55 < jr19> you are constantly weighing your options and deciding the pros and cons of each situation
05:55 < incubus> who doesn't do that? :P
05:56 < millinao> me
05:56 < incubus> lol'
05:56 <+krisk> im trying to live the best live i can and get the most out of live in general
05:56 < incubus> do they have Subway in the netherlands?
05:56 < jr19> i know plenty of people who just jump right into things without thinking about the outcome
05:57 < incubus> Nederland whatever
05:57 <+krisk> yeah we have subway
05:57 < incubus> jr19, I used to know what the outcome would be, do the action, then try to hussle my way out of a sticky situation
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05:57 < jr19> ports' parents own a subway
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05:58 < incubus> lol
05:58 < incubus> That's awesome
05:58 <+krisk> ok.. 230lbs.. here goes nothing..
05:58 < incubus> 230lbs?
05:58 < incubus> huh
05:58 < jr19> new girl, krisk?
05:59 <+krisk> haha fuck yeah
05:59 < incubus> does anyone browse 4chan?
05:59 <+krisk> no 100kg squat for first time
05:59 <+krisk> incubus: only like all the time
05:59 < jr19> lol
05:59 <+krisk> and 420chan
05:59 < jr19> i browse it a bit
06:00 < incubus> holy shit http://zip.4chan.org/sp/src/1249139638480.jpg
06:00 < incubus> Explain that face
06:00 <+krisk> woo that went better than i thought
06:00 <+krisk> guy is a boxer
06:00 <+krisk> russian or something
06:00 <+krisk> got messed up pretty badly over the years
06:00 <+krisk> also roids
06:02 <+krisk> what board is sp?
06:02 < jr19> good ol steroids
06:02 < jr19> i'm guessing sports?
06:02 < jr19> yep
06:03 <+krisk> ah yeah
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06:05 <@efneTI92> [Grue_] It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
06:08 < jr19> going to go hit some golf balls in a little bit i think
06:09 <+krisk> cool\
06:09 <+krisk> good at it?
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06:09 < jr19> i used to be a lot better, i havent played all year though
06:10 < jr19> i played all 4 years of high school but it was too expensive after that so i didnt play as much
06:10 < jr19> i have to play in a best shot tournament with my dad and brother in law on thursday though, so i need to figure out how to play again
06:10 <+krisk> hehe
06:10 <+krisk> good luck:)
06:12 < jr19> thanks, i will probably need it
06:12 < jr19> its a good thing its a best shot i suppose
06:14 <+krisk> oh yeah
06:14 < jr19> these guys doing the big air competition on the x games are nuts
06:19 < ports> incubus,
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06:20 < jr19> hilikus
06:21 < jr19> where has that benryves been
06:22 <+krisk> i seriously dont get benchpress
06:22 < jr19> why not
06:22 <+krisk> i dont get stronger at it
06:23 <+krisk> ive been stuck at a shitty 65kg for months
06:23 <+krisk> it even dropped lower sometimes
06:23 < ports> krisk, i got the photo of her
06:23 <+krisk> its pathetic
06:23 < ports> but the imageshack is down
06:23 <+krisk> ok maybbe later
06:24 < ports> where else can you post photos
06:24 <+krisk> idk i always just google image sharing
06:24 <+krisk> why are my arms to sweak
06:25 <+krisk> *so weak
06:27 < jr19> i thought it was your chest
06:27 < ports> jr19, my balls are big
06:27 <+krisk> yea both
06:27 < jr19> did someone kick you in the nuts
06:27 <+krisk> chest and arms
06:27 < ports> jr19, no, lack of use
06:28 <+krisk> fap
06:28 < jr19> yah
06:29 < ports> jr19, where else can you post photos
06:30 < jr19> imagecabin
06:30 < jr19> heh
06:30 < jr19> ploader.net
06:32 < jr19> 4chan
06:33 < ports> no not 4chan
06:33 < ports> man
06:33 < ports> i dont trust you bastards now
06:33 < jr19> why not
06:33 < ports> theyll put it on 4chan
06:34 <+krisk> lol
06:34 < jr19> lol no we wont
06:34 < ports> jr19, we?
06:34 < ports> you probably have that photo saved 
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06:34 < jr19> no i dont
06:34 < ports> liar
06:34 < ports> i saw your license plate.. 
06:34 < jr19> you know how many times i've formatted and shit
06:34 < jr19> and erased a bunch of random shit
06:34 < ports> yeah you suck at backups
06:34 < jr19> i have everything thats important backed up
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06:34 < ports> burn
06:35 < jr19> SnowCrash is a jew
06:35 < ports> hrmm
06:35 < ports> im going to figure out how to use my ipod with the car tonight
06:35 < jr19> anyway
06:35 < jr19> lets see said picture
06:35 < ports> imageshack is down
06:35 < jr19> ploader.net
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06:36 < ports> http://ploader.net/files/5d4d5019e85f5ed7d599fda903c6030c.jpg
06:36 < jr19> you failed
06:37 < ports> what
06:37 < jr19> at girl relations
06:38 < ports> oh
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06:39 < jr19> she has old lady hands
06:39 < ports> so does your mom
06:39 < jr19> why didnt she smile
06:40 < jr19> and what is this picture from
06:40 < ports> remember that wedding i went to a few weeks ago... the girl that got married a 2nd time 
06:40 < ports> its from her 1st wedding last summer
06:40 < jr19> ah ok
06:40 < jr19> before payal got married hehe
06:40 < jr19> when do you meet her husband
06:40 < ports> ive met her husban
06:41 < ports> husband
06:41 < ports> ive had drinks with him
06:41 < ports> as a group anyway
06:41 < jr19> ah ok
06:41 < jr19> is he a superstar
06:41 < ports> and he was alone with me for 10-15 minutes last week at the wedding reception..
06:42 < ports> he doesnt talk much..
06:42 < ports> hes taking classes for something... probably to learn more english
06:42 < jr19> ah ok
06:42 < ports> krisk, see her?
06:42 < ports> jr19, he seems ok.. i dunno.. if shes happy.. thats all that should matter
06:43 < jr19> http://ploader.net/files/7f87114c0fb3f9d1f6a1df0a84ea70ca.jpg
06:43 < jr19> guh
06:43 < ports> dude wtf
06:43 < ports> why did you do that
06:43 < ports> that wasnt cool
06:43 < jr19> i guess she is happy then lolz
06:43 < ports> that was a major pig face
06:43 < jr19> lol
06:44 < jr19> that image will haunt you
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06:45 < ports> no
06:45 < ports> itll haunt YOU
06:45 < jr19> :( maybe
06:45 < ports> im going to text it to you late at night
06:46 < ports> wtf where are krisk and incubus
06:46 < jr19> pm'ing ;)
06:49 < ports> lol
06:49 < ports> my friend got a dui last night
06:49 < ports> he and his girlfriend were in his truck driving home i guess
06:50 < jr19> oops
06:50 < ports> yeah not good
06:50 < jr19> epic expensive fail
06:50 < ports> aww man
06:50 < ports> this sucks
06:50 < jr19> what
06:51 < ports> i totally threatened to whoop a guys ass
06:51 < ports> then i looked him up
06:51 <+krisk> sorry ports i was deadlifting 110 and then took a quick shower
06:51 < ports> and yeah... he could kick my ass on Ikariam
06:51 < ports> krisk, liar
06:51 <+krisk> she seems nice
06:51 < ports> krisk, she is
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06:51 < ports> shes also married now
06:51 <+krisk> indian girls can be nice
06:52 < jr19> ports had her if he wanted her
06:52 <+krisk> hmm
06:52 < jr19> but he decided he would rather frolic in cornfields
06:52 <+krisk> shame dude
06:52 <+krisk> lol
06:52 < ports> meh
06:52 <+krisk> she looks like nice gf material
06:52 < ports> i was young... she wasnt..
06:52 <+krisk> oh?
06:53 < ports> when i was 21.. i think she was 24 or 25..  so she was further along and ready to settle..
06:53 < ports> i was still in my drink all night and go to class hungover days
06:54 <+krisk> hmm 21 and 24 isnt all that bad
06:54 <+krisk> but yeah your states mentally wuold differ too much
06:54 < ports> i was still in college. she had finished her masters
06:54 <+krisk> yeah i get it
06:54 < ports> oh well
06:55 < ports> jr19, now i get to go find someone new
06:55 <+krisk> its true
06:55 <+krisk> are you open for something seriously serious?
06:55 < ports> no
06:55 <+krisk> lol
06:56 < ports> im not like you
06:56 < ports> im not running around trying to find the one
06:56 <+krisk> still frolicing about? :)
06:56 < ports> attempting to
06:56 < ports> i plan on spreading my seed on as many female faces as i can before i get married
06:57 <+krisk> but will you be happy
06:57 < ports> yes
06:57 <+krisk> cool
06:57 < ports> once i spread my seed.  i will slam their face on the toilet
06:57 <+krisk> would you not even date someone for a while?
06:58 < ports> dunno
06:58 < ports> im kind of excited about toilet slapping a girl
06:58 < ports> jr19, knows all about that
06:59 <+krisk> hmm anyone in particular you have in mind?
06:59 <+krisk> *is there
06:59 < ports> no
06:59 <+krisk> well go find one then
07:00 <+krisk> do you guys go out together?
07:02 < jr19> what
07:02 < ports> no
07:02 < ports> im his best friend though
07:02 <+krisk> so why not
07:02 < jr19> lol what
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07:02 < jr19> i dont have any friends
07:02 <+krisk> be bros n stuff
07:02 <+krisk> have awesome times
07:03 < jr19> ports lives like 5 hours away
07:03 < ports> we've been online friends for 10 years
07:03 <+krisk> hmm
07:03 <+krisk> ever even met? :P
07:03 < jr19> nope
07:03 < jr19> it'd be too scary
07:03 <+krisk> oh lol
07:03 <+krisk> i thought so
07:04 <+krisk> otherwise you could like both drive 2.5 hours and have an awesome weekend somewhere right between your places of recidence
07:04 < jr19> ports is a little person, he gets scared when he has to meet people who are over 6 feet tall
07:04 <+krisk> oh
07:04 <+krisk> ill be sure not to look you up then when i traverse the United States of Awesome
07:04 < jr19> lol
07:04 < jr19> that is up to you
07:04 < jr19> if you need a place to crash in iowa, i have space
07:05 <+krisk> im 6'4 although a friend asked me today if i have gotten taller again, how tall are you
07:05 < jr19> though i dont know why you'd want to go to iowa
07:05 <+krisk> lol
07:05 < jr19> i'm 6'0
07:05 <+krisk> ah hehe
07:05 < jr19> ports is 4'8
07:05 <+krisk> haha
07:05 <+krisk> ahhww
07:06 < jr19> well not really, but i like to pretend he is
07:06 < jr19> i think hes 5'6
07:06 <+krisk> yeah i got the joke
07:06 < ports> ?
07:06 <+krisk> i knew a girl was was 5'2
07:07 < jr19> nothing to see here
07:07 < jr19> i've known lots of short girls
07:07 <+krisk> whenever she walked next to me i had to look around the floor from time to time to see if she was still there
07:07 < jr19> my ex was 5'9
07:07 <+krisk> nice
07:07 <+krisk> tall girls are awesome
07:08 < jr19> she also does things like this for some reason http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs151.snc1/5613_515363341368_79701567_30674542_4385447_n.jpg
07:08 <+krisk> this redhead stoner cute glasses girl who went to my highschool and now works at a local store and studies in amsterdam near my college is pretty tall too for a girl
07:08 < ports> jr19, is a child molester
07:08 <+krisk> probably 6' maybe an inch more
07:09 <+krisk> short skinny girls are fun because you can lift them up above your head whenever you feel like it
07:09 < jr19> i saw a really tall girl today at the store
07:09 < ports> krisk, ghey
07:09 <+krisk> although this is not recommended indoors when youre 6'4
07:09 <+krisk> or so we found out
07:09 < ports> ceiling fan?
07:09 <+krisk> nah just ceiling
07:09 < ports> ive seen that before
07:09 < ports> so funny
07:09 <+krisk> hehe
07:10 <+krisk> i can touch the ceiling in average houses just by reaching up
07:10 <+krisk> so lifting a girl that high wasnt a good idea
07:10 < jr19> i can too, usually i have to stand on my toes just slightly
07:10 < jr19> i just tried to be sure
07:11 <+krisk> i can put my hand flat on the ceiling then
07:11 < jr19> yeah i cant do that without jumping
07:11 <+krisk> i can brofist the ceiling without standing on my toes
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07:11 <+krisk> thats the max
07:12 < ports> i can touch the ceiling if i get a ladder
07:12 <+krisk> of course you can get a little bit higher if you stand on one leg
07:12 <+krisk> you can touch the ceiling if i pick you up
07:12 < jr19> haha
07:12 <+krisk> that would be funny
07:13 <+krisk> unless youre fat
07:13 <+krisk> then youre on your own bro
07:13 < jr19> ports doesnt look too fat in that picture with his once potential wife
07:13 <+krisk> true
07:14 < jr19> ports: when are you going to take some higher quality pictures of your car
07:15 < ports> jr19, in a few minutes
07:15 < ports> its raining outside
07:15 < ports> dont want to stand outside in the rain with a digital camera
07:15 < ports> jr19, so aparrently the upgraded stereo i got doesnt include the SD card slot
07:15 < jr19> its raining there? weird
07:16 < ports> its sprinkling
07:16 < jr19> well that's dumb
07:16 < jr19> i'm going to go hit golf balls now
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07:16 < ports> ok
07:17 < ports> im going to go hit babies now
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07:17 < jr19> with golf clubs?
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07:17 < jr19> or pythons?
07:17 < ports> if they make a lot of noise
07:17 < jr19> ok
07:17 < jr19> well i'm leaving, bye
07:17 < ports> bai
07:17 <+krisk> cya
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07:20 <+krisk> imma head over to a friend's byebye
07:20 < ports> ok
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07:33 < incubus> who is around
07:33 < ports> me
07:33 < ports> <ports> http://ploader.net/files/5d4d5019e85f5ed7d599fda903c6030c.jpg
07:33 < ports> see
07:34 < ports> IM NOT DYING
07:34 < incubus> what the hell ethnicity are you?
07:35 < incubus> Indian?
07:35 < ports> yes
07:35 < incubus> is that your ex girlfriend or your sis
07:35 < ports> exgirlfriend
07:35 < incubus> lol dude you have to admit, she kind of looks like you
07:35 < ports> no i dont
07:35 < ports> because she doesnt
07:36 < incubus> she's got an insanely muscular forearm
07:36 < incubus> for a chick
07:36 < ports> no she doesnt
07:36 < ports> all bone
07:36 < ports> shes really weak
07:37 < incubus> must just be the lack of fat then
07:37 < ports> shes pretty isnt she?
07:37 < incubus> She's cute
07:38 < ports> she doesnt drink
07:38 < ports> that was always weird with her
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07:39 < incubus> lol
07:39 < ports> i couldve married her
07:40 < incubus> lol?
07:40 < incubus> why didn't you
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07:42 < ports> dunno
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08:03 < BrandonW> incubus: you asked about how OS validation works?
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08:03 < BrandonW> To sign an OS, you take the MD5 hash of the entire OS contents as well as the OS header, and then you encrypt that with the private key exponent.
08:04 < BrandonW> The result is the signature, which gets embedded in the 8XU as field 0200h.
08:04 < BrandonW> When you send the OS, you send it in three pieces: the header, the data, and the signature.
08:05 < BrandonW> As the boot code receives the OS header and data, it keeps its own MD5 hash. Once it receives the signature, it decrypts that with the public key exponent (known to be always 17) and then compares the result of that with the MD5 hash it calculated.
08:05 < BrandonW> If they match, it's valid. If not, it's not.
08:05 < BrandonW> Each key has a one- or two-byte ID to go with it.
08:05 < BrandonW> 0104 is the 83+ Flash application freeware key.
08:05 < BrandonW> 04 (or 0004) is the 83+ OS key.
08:05 < BrandonW> 0A (or 000A) is the 84+ OS key.
08:06 < BrandonW> There is a 010A to sign 84+ specific Flash applications, but TI has never used it.
08:06 < BrandonW> 0102 is the 73 Flash application freeware key, which TI never released, and so we can't create 73 Flash applications without some hackery.
08:06 < BrandonW> And naturally 02 (or 0002) is the 73 OS key, which we don't care about since the battery trick works and was never fixed on the 73 (and never will be).
08:06 < BrandonW> The others all relate to the 68k series, which I don't care about.
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08:08 < BrandonW> 0104 was given to us by TI, and we just cracked 04 (0004).
08:08 < BrandonW> So we can now sign 83+ Flash applications and OSes, no hacks or tricks.
08:09 < BrandonW> Data in 8XK and 8XU files as well as in the certificate work by fields, which are two-byte IDs, data bytes, and then data.
08:10 < BrandonW> You can see the validation signature in any 8XU by looking for 020D40 at the bottom.
08:10 < BrandonW> It's field 0200h, and the last nibble specifies the size of the data to follow.
08:10 < BrandonW> If it's 0-0Ch, it's just that many bytes.
08:10 < BrandonW> If it's 0Dh, then the next byte specifies the size (40).
08:11 < BrandonW> If it's 0Eh, then the next word specifies the size.
08:11 < BrandonW> And if it's 0Fh, the next 4 bytes specify the size.
08:11 < BrandonW> Which is why you see 80 0F 00 00 00 00 (not zeroes, but an actual size) at the start of every Flash application.
08:11 < BrandonW> If you were to jump ahead that many bytes, you'd end up at field 0220h, the Flash application signature.
08:12 < BrandonW> The certificate works the same way, and there are grouped fields and subgroups that make it very complicated.
08:12 < BrandonW> So modifying an existing certificate is not easy, especially oncalc.
08:12 < BrandonW> Especially when the data you're inserting might have to go into a certain existing field.
08:12 < BrandonW> The OS header can be found oncalc at 7A:4000h.
08:13 < BrandonW> The signature for it is found at 7A:4100h (both 128 bytes).
08:13 < BrandonW> It's why you see nothing but FFs at that location in an 8XU.
08:13 < BrandonW> If you use the battery trick to send an OS, you didn't give the boot code a chance to write that information and it will be blank.
08:13 < BrandonW> That's how you can obviously tell the battery trick was used.
08:14 < BrandonW> Way back when, TI would give out shareware keys to developers (when the SDK was new), and 8XQ (certificate) files.
08:15 < BrandonW> Sending them to your calculator would embed that key into the certificate.
08:15 < BrandonW> And you could sign applications with that key, and put them on your (and only your) calculator.
08:15 < BrandonW> It was their method of control.
08:15 < BrandonW> So you could test your application on your calculator, but no one else could run it.
08:15 < incubus> BrandonW, yes
08:15 < incubus> reading what you said hold o
08:15 < incubus> on*
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08:18 < BrandonW> So a signing tool needs to simply MD5 hash the OS header and contents, encrypt it with d (calculated from p and q, which you see in a key file such as 0104.key), and write it as field 0200h in an 8XU.
08:19 < BrandonW> d is the modular inverse of e and (p-1)(q-1).
08:19 < BrandonW> (e is always 17)
08:19 < BrandonW> So the tool would read a key file for p and q, calculate d, and there you go.
08:19 < incubus> got it
08:19 < BrandonW> A key file such as 0104.key contains n, p, and q.
08:19 < BrandonW> The first line is n, and the second and third lines are p and q.
08:20 < incubus> I assumed earlier (don't know if you saw) that it had to be a hash of some sort that it would agree on from the decrypted data
08:20 < BrandonW> Length-indexed, and Little Endian if I recall correctly.
08:20 < BrandonW> You'll notice that the first few bytes of 0104.key are 40, 20, and 20.
08:20 < BrandonW> Almost all public keys are 40h bytes in length.
08:20 < incubus> Where is 0104.key what is this magical file
08:20 < ports> the bar inside
08:20 < BrandonW> 0104.key contains the 0104 key, the 83+ Flash application freeware key.
08:21 < ports> 9 different kinds of rum
08:21 < BrandonW> It's included with the 83+ SDK.
08:21 < incubus> ah ok
08:21 < BrandonW> The Flash debugger, specifically.
08:21 < BrandonW> Somewhere in C:\Program Files\TI Education\TI-83 Plus Flash Debugger\
08:21 < incubus> so we KNEW the 0104 key so you could sign any app you wanted?
08:21 < BrandonW> If you install to the default location.
08:21 < BrandonW> Yes.
08:21 < incubus> nice
08:21 < BrandonW> Not always, TI gave it to us after they saw we weren't going to pay $99 every 3 app signings.
08:21 < BrandonW> TI used to have to do it for you.
08:21 < incubus> LOL
08:22 < BrandonW> That's how MirageOS was signed originally, you know.
08:22 < BrandonW> No one could sign applications at the time.
08:22 < incubus> no I didn't know, wow
08:22 < BrandonW> That's what made MirageOS special.
08:22 < BrandonW> Appilcations were meant to be high-quality.
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08:22 < BrandonW> Reviewed by TI.
08:22 < BrandonW> Only the best of the best.
08:22 < incubus> MirageOS was truly a flash application
08:22 < incubus> not a signed OS with a certificate like we CAN do now
08:22 < incubus> well I shouldn't say certificate
08:23 < incubus> what ever you want to call it
08:23 < BrandonW> The 04 key is embedded into the boot code so that it can always validate a 04-signed (meaning official TI) OS.
08:23 < incubus> right
08:23 < incubus> btw how were you able to extract the boot code?
08:23 < incubus> can you simply read it?
08:23 < incubus> was there a trick to that?
08:24 < BrandonW> A very simple assembly program that calls _FlashToRam and saves 16KB of page 7Fh to an AppVar.
08:24 < BrandonW> You can read it just fine. The OS, and probably yourself, use it all the time.
08:24 < incubus> nice
08:24 < BrandonW> There are BCALLs in the boot code.
08:24 < BrandonW> I understand all but...3 I think.
08:24 < incubus> I see
08:24 < incubus> BrandonW, what are the other keys you mentioned that need cracking
08:24 < incubus> let me see if I can find what you said
08:24 < BrandonW> I thought I explained them.
08:25 < BrandonW> The 73 keys are: 0102 and 02. We don't have either and desperately need the first.
08:25 < BrandonW> The 83+ keys are: 0104 and 04. We have both now.
08:25 < incubus> oh Sorry it was just the 0A 84+ and 10A key, got it
08:25 < BrandonW> The 84+ keys are: 010A and 0A. We desperately need the second.
08:25 < incubus> got it
08:25 < incubus> sorry I thought you mentioned a different set of keys earlier, my mistake
08:25 < BrandonW> The most important key is 000A, and then 0102.
08:25 < BrandonW> That will eliminate the need for any hacks.
08:26 < BrandonW> Except the boot code.
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08:26 < BrandonW> Except the battery trick.*
08:26 < BrandonW> For the 73.
08:26 < incubus> right
08:26 < BrandonW> Getting 000A eliminates the need for Free83P.
08:26 < BrandonW> And we can sign any 83+/84+ series OS.
08:26 < incubus> do you have 000A.key
08:27 < incubus> 84+ sdk?
08:27 < BrandonW> No, no one has it, because if you did you could sign your own OS.
08:27 < BrandonW> TI would never give out an OS key.
08:27 < incubus> er sorry not the key file
08:27 < incubus> I meant the private key
08:27 < BrandonW> The modulues to factor?
08:27 < incubus> yes
08:27 < BrandonW> modulus*
08:27 < BrandonW> Not in front of me, but I can extract it for you, yes.
08:27 < incubus> I want to help crack this
08:28 < incubus> After Thursday I have a full month I can devote to all things calculator
08:28 < incubus> I've been waiting for something like this for years to respark my calc interests
08:28 < BrandonW> I planned to publish an exhaustive list of all z80 keys.
08:28 < BrandonW> The...moduli, I mean.
08:28 < incubus> they are the 'private keys' formally yes?
08:29 < incubus> the OS uses private keys to decrypt the data (MD5 hash)
08:29 < Storm|wrk> incubus: I think they would count as the pubilic keys
08:29 < BrandonW> It's backwards from what you would normally read on RSA.
08:29 < incubus> is it? ok
08:29 < BrandonW> The private key exponent is what TI has.
08:30 < BrandonW> We have the public key exponent (17).
08:30 < BrandonW> Only they can encrypt, everyone can decrypt.
08:30 < incubus> right, and the OS is decrypting
08:30 < BrandonW> Boot code.
08:30 < incubus> grr boot code
08:32 < sir_lewk> anything new going on since yesterday?
08:33 < BMerth_J> hi BrandonW 
08:33 < BrandonW> This discovery isn't as significant as it could be, because we still can't send our own OS to an 84+/SE without Free83P because of a boot code bug.
08:33 < sir_lewk> but once we have the other keys that won't be a problem right?
08:34 < BrandonW> Once we get 000A that won't be a problem. Which is why it's so important.
08:35 < i_c-Y> BMerth_J?
08:35 < BMerth_J> i_c-Y: bsparks and merthsoft are here
08:35 < ports> BrandonW, hi
08:36 < ports> did ti stop os updates for the 89?
08:36 < Storm|wrk> ports: it seems the only thing they are updating is the Nspire.
08:36 < ports> inspire?
08:37 < BrandonW> No, Nspire.
08:37 < ports> BrandonW, where do you work
08:37 < BrandonW> A call center.
08:37 < ports> oh
08:37 < ports> my friend works for a database/software company that does number crunching
08:37 < ports> theyre hiring in stlouis
08:38 < BrandonW> The 000A key is (hexadecimal, Big Endian): EF5FEF0B0AB6E22731C17539658B2E91E53A59BF8E00FCC81D05758F26C1791CD35AF6101B1E3543AC3E78FD8BB8F37FC8FE85601C502EABC9132CEAD4711CB1
08:39 < ports> BrandonW, DataServ
08:39 < BrandonW> You should probably get somebody else to verify a couple of times before crunching away on that.
08:40 < BrandonW> These are hand-done.
08:40 < BrandonW> The last thing we need is to factor the wrong number.
08:40 < BrandonW> To extract it yourself, you can disassemble _SetupOSPubKey and find the address of the data for each key.
08:42 < BrandonW> The boot code "bug" that prevents you from receiving a 04-signed OS on an 84+/SE is probably intentional.
08:42 < incubus> lol
08:43 < BrandonW> I see code it can never execute where it would check for 04.
08:43 < BrandonW> They probably gutted a jump to it.
08:43 < BrandonW> The left hand clearly didn't know what the right hand was screwing up when they wrote this.
08:43 < BrandonW> The app and OS keys are stored differently in the certificate.
08:43 < BrandonW> You'd think it would be standard, but no.
08:43 < incubus> lol
08:44 < incubus> that's devious
08:44 < incubus> Do you think TI knows the 04 key has been cracked yet?
08:45 < BrandonW> If they pay any attention at all, yes.
08:45 < BrandonW> What are they going to do, honestly? It's like the HD-DVD encryption key.
08:45 < incubus> oh no there's nothing you can do
08:45 < incubus> what if they start making calculators with new keys?!?!!
08:45 < incubus> new 83's
08:46 < BrandonW> They would have to provide diferent OS updates for each, which would only cause confusion.
08:46 < incubus> muahahaha
08:46 < incubus> they are fucked
08:46 < BrandonW> To be perfectly honest, I wish he had broken 000A first.
08:46 < incubus> :(
08:47 < BrandonW> What 0004 does is let us legitimately put an 83+ OS on there.
08:47 < BrandonW> But we could already do that with the battery trick.
08:47 < BrandonW> The 84+/SE is where it's at.
08:48 < BrandonW> Ben was going to do 0102 next, but I convinced him to go with 000A.
08:48 < incubus> he's already cracking?
08:48 < BrandonW> Phase 1, yes.
08:49 < incubus> bah
08:49 < BrandonW> We absolutely should get multiple people on it, multiply our chances of success.
08:49 < BrandonW> He had multiple false starts with 0004.
08:49 < incubus> we'd have to coordinate a bit
08:49 < BrandonW> No, do it independently.
08:50 < incubus> that's fine
08:50 < BrandonW> You'd have to move gigabytes of data to do it together.
08:50 < incubus> true
08:50 < incubus> I thought we could have search fields though
08:50 < incubus> search between this and this
08:50 < incubus> you search between this and this
08:50 < incubus> etc
08:50 < BrandonW> Possibly.
08:50 < BrandonW> I don't have enough faith in us understanding the process to do that.
08:50 < incubus> lol I don't understand the process... yet
08:50 < BrandonW> We absolutely cannot do this wrong.
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08:51 < incubus> well obviously I can do it independently all day long and not fuck up his efforts
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08:59 < BrandonW> I think of a pretty ugly way to build an 8XU which TI Connect or TiLP just might send.
08:59 < BrandonW> To put a 04-signed OS on an 84+/SE.
09:00 < BrandonW> The problem is actually _CheckHeaderKey, which requires the 04 key be in the certificate if you're going to use it.
09:00 < BrandonW> It's just a check at the start of the OS transfer, so if you can fool it, you're good to go.
09:00 < BrandonW> You would send a 04 OS header, and then send the 0A header as OS data and overwrite it.
09:00 < BrandonW> Err, strike that, reverse it.
09:00 < BrandonW> 0A header initially, then overwrite with 04.
09:00 < BrandonW> So that when it goes to validate it, it'll succeed.
09:01 < BrandonW> The problem is that the boot code checks to make sure it never writes to 7A:4000h when receiving OS data.
09:01 < BrandonW> But if you screw around with the Intel Hex and put the header (plus one byte) at 79:7FFFh, that might work.
09:01 < BrandonW> But TI Connect might (and probably unusually is) smart about it and won't allow it.
09:03 < BrandonW> Well, actually..
09:05 < BrandonW> I hate TI.
09:05 < Storm|wrk> BrandonW: but I bet tilp wouldn't have any issues with it.
09:05 < BrandonW> It could be done, but you'd have to screw with the link protocol which requires an OS sender, and you're no better off than Free8#P.
09:05 < BrandonW> Free83P.*
09:10 < BrandonW> It's a little strange I'm working to kill something I wrote not one week ago.
09:11 < BrandonW> Before this news broke, I ordered the parts for a bedroom PC.
09:11 < BrandonW> Its purpose is now RSA factorization.
09:12 <+Netham45> lol
09:12 <+Netham45> I'd try to set up a Boinc distributed app for factorizing it.
09:12 < Storm|wrk> lol, I'm getting a new laptop if I can get it to work nicely with my desktop I'll have them both work on it
09:12 < BMerth_J> not worth it
09:13 < BrandonW> Two guys at work want to get in on it.
09:13 < BrandonW> Since they're local, it might go pretty fast.
09:13 <+Netham45> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ this.
09:14 <+Netham45> That's what powers Seti@Home.
09:16 <+Netham45> hmm, speaking of cloud computing, I need to play with Microsoft Azure more...
09:19 < incubus> I've contributed a lot of boinc apps
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09:46 < _Digital> Without meanign too, I just used their, there, and they're in the same sentence
09:46 < _Digital> not in that particular order
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10:23 < Merth|G1> hey bmerth_j u sux
10:26 < mtgrss111> called it. Omni WAS spying on my #tcpa messages.
10:28 <+noah_>  yea #tcpa has logs
10:28 < _Digital> in a few places
10:28 < mtgrss111> oh ho ho
10:28 <+noah_> all I know is about calcgames
10:28 < mtgrss111> Topic: Metagross is an asshole  (Read 2 times) 
10:28 <+krisk> blub
10:28 < mtgrss111> http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?topic=974.new#new
10:29 < _Digital> aardvarq kept logs iirc
10:29 <+noah_> how'd you pull that off mtgrss?
10:29 < mtgrss111> I confronted him for attacking my youtube account
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10:30 <+krisk> when will people learn their lives will be much better if they just ignore this guy
10:30 < incubus> :D
10:30 < incubus> BrandonW, you there
10:30 < KermEEE> which guy? DJ?
10:30 <+krisk> yeah
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10:30 < KermEEE> how did I know :P
10:30 < KermEEE> good afternoon EST, guys
10:30 <+krisk> lo
10:31 <+noah_> c'mon guys he's got so much knowlage if you can get through to him
10:31 <+krisk> although im CET
10:31 < _Digital> PST here
10:31 <+krisk> he's an energy drainer
10:31 <+noah_> CST
10:31 < mtgrss111> KermEEE: <mtgrss111> Topic: Metagross is an asshole  (Read 2 times)
10:31 < mtgrss111> <mtgrss111> http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?topic=974.new#new
10:31 < _Digital> I see 5 times
10:31 < KermEEE> mtgrss111: O.o
10:31 <+krisk> 4 when i read it so i must be #5?
10:32 < KermEEE> I thought he deleted his forum
10:32 < KermEEE> Calc84maniac told me that last night
10:32 <+krisk> he deletes it every month
10:32 < KermEEE> ik :D
10:32 <+krisk> whenever he gets another temper tantrum
10:32 < mtgrss111> I'm an asshole for defending my youtube account?
10:32 <+krisk> ive heard of it being deleted and recreated at least 6 times by now
10:32 <+krisk> no mtgrss111 youre not an asshole
10:32 <+krisk> but you should just ignore this guy
10:32 <+noah_> he brought it down but was convinced otherwise
10:33 <+krisk> delete his comments or whatever and ignore him
10:33 < mtgrss111> Well, I find it kind of weird he would post this on omnimaga
10:33 < _Digital> hey krisk, when did you say this? "_Digital: you are in the gothified with mspaint pics i have of you guys"
10:33 < mtgrss111> It's kind of self-incriminating, is it?
10:33 <+krisk> seriously in the past 7 years i have heard and seen nothing but drama from djkevin
10:34 <+krisk> lolwat _Digital
10:34 <+krisk> mtgrss111 oh but he posts only parts so he can keep his point of view creditable
10:34 < _Digital> you're quoted on saying that in teh past 30 days according to E-J and his logs
10:34 <+krisk> seriously, have you guys not learned what he does by now?
10:34 <+krisk> cant be in the past 30 days that i know for sure
10:34 < mtgrss111> well, it's still self-incriminating.
10:35 <+krisk> mustve been years ago that i said that
10:35 < _Digital> you were'ne here years ago
10:35 < mtgrss111> [18:00] metagross_trainer: And maybe I can conclude that you ATTACKED my youtube account
10:35 < _Digital>  I'll cat my logs...
10:35 <+krisk> well it feels like years
10:35 <+krisk> i cant remember what it was about anyway
10:36 <+krisk> mtgrss111 nobody can tell that he actually did unless they see it so as long as he keeps that out hell keep up his side of the story and just call you an asshole and cry about you causing attacks on him
10:36 <+krisk> then when you show it somewhere hell delete that or twist it some way to validate his view anyway
10:37 <+krisk> its impossible, this guy hasnt changed in at elast 7 years
10:37 <+krisk> seriously, let it go
10:37 < mtgrss111> krisk: and that's why my story is credible
10:37 <+krisk> i know
10:37 <+krisk> whatever
10:37 <+krisk> just ignore the guy
10:37 < mtgrss111> :/
10:37 <+krisk> seriously
10:37 <+krisk> this is all he does
10:38 <+krisk> if i had 10 bucks for every time he did this and 50 for every time he deleted his website./account/forum/ircchan and then restored it i would be able to buy a 67 chevy impala in great condition
10:38 < _Digital> krisk, guess so. I see no entry since late march
10:38 < _Digital> anyhow, time to leave for work and grab food
10:38 < mtgrss111> zomg drama on teh internetz!
10:38 < mtgrss111> :/
10:38 <+krisk> hehe ok, im actually ashamed of saying something goth related in that way so sorry _Digital for including you in something silly like that
10:39 <+krisk> probably thought it was funny at the time
10:39 < _Digital> yeah, that is kinda out of left field
10:39 <+krisk> though i dont have any gothified pics of people
10:39 <+krisk> i certainly didnt make any
10:40 <+krisk> march this year or last year?
10:40 < _Digital> this
10:40 <+krisk> wierd
10:40 < _Digital> that is when I started logging
10:40 < _Digital> need to rename some old ones and move tehm to my current directory
10:41 < _Digital> Anyone here good with stats?
10:42 <+krisk> like in statistics general?
10:42 < _Digital> yup
10:42 <+noah_> somewhat
10:42 < _Digital> need two small data sets analysed and I don't have time right now
10:42 < _Digital> here is the html versions
10:42 < _Digital> http://atlas.selfip.net/XFS.htm
10:43 < _Digital> http://atlas.selfip.net/Ext4.htm
10:43 < _Digital> change the extension to .csv to get the original data
10:43 <+krisk> its weekend dude :p
10:43 < _Digital> plxthxbai
10:43 <+krisk> am i getting paid for this? :P
10:43 < _Digital> no, and I'm going to work right now so I really don't care it's a Saturday
10:43 <+krisk> aww
10:44 <+krisk> well have a good day there
10:44 < mtgrss111> wow
10:44 < mtgrss111> he changed his story to put him in better light. good call, krisk.
10:45 <+krisk> this is what he does with his life
10:45 <+krisk> you have a job?
10:45 < _Digital> me?
10:45 < incubus> Does anyone have a TI-84+ image? :)
10:45 <+krisk> no, mtgrss111
10:45  * incubus runs
10:45 < mtgrss111> no, what?
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10:45  * mtgrss111 confused
10:46 <+noah_> mtgrss111 you are aware that the reason ti-boy works is because to gameboy uses a z80 procsseser?
10:46 <+krisk> ok well i was gonna say you should know youre going up against someone who has spend a lot of time on drama like this like its his job
10:46  * _Digital leaves now
10:46 <+krisk> for over half a decade
10:46 <+krisk> cya _Digital
10:47 <+krisk> and he will not concede
10:47 <+krisk> just let it go and ignore him
10:48 <+krisk> if you even get to a point where he cant sell his view in a credible way anymore hell just delete all the logs (the entire forum if he has to) and pretend youve pushed him to do so
10:48 <+krisk> youll still look bad to his fans or whatever you can call that sect, if there are even any people left who take him seriously with this stuff
10:49 <+krisk> or hell pull a similar move to make you look bad
10:50 <+krisk> have you seen any of the terminator movies?
10:53 <+krisk> thats what it is but with drama instead of bullets
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10:56 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
11:01 < KermEEE> i_c-Y: hola.
11:01 < i_c-Y> hi
11:02 < i_c-Y> sup KermEEE 
11:02 < KermEEE> writing master's code sitting in lincoln center
11:02 < KermEEE> you?
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11:03 < i_c-Y> im in my apartment now
11:03 < i_c-Y> and the ac wont turn on
11:03 < i_c-Y> fuse is bown
11:03 < i_c-Y> blown
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11:04 <@efneTI92> [DJ_Omni] Marry me?
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11:06 <+i_c-Y> hm
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11:06 <+i_c-Y> whats with the omni crap
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11:07 < BrandonW> Ridiculous.
11:08 < BrandonW> Good lord, what is Kevin freaking out about now?
11:08 < BrandonW> What did we do?
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11:08 <@efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
11:09 < mtgrss111> hey, can you guys help me with damage control?
11:09 < likeWOAH> what did you do?
11:09 < mtgrss111> well, omni did.
11:09 < mtgrss111> he went to a certain youtube video and marked all the comments down.
11:10 < likeWOAH> why is he trying to flood this channel?
11:10 < mtgrss111> because I complained about him here
11:10 < mtgrss111> dunno why, though, because #tcpa didn't attack him.
11:11 < likeWOAH> jeez, havent you learned to not go to #omnimaga yet?
11:11 < j-b-r> Why are people so... dumb, really?
11:12 < likeWOAH> well, omnimaga is french canadian...
11:12 < likeWOAH> he can't help it
11:12 < BrandonW> How can Kevin be any less mature? He's attacking this channel because one person did something to him?
11:12 < DSP_Lord> ...
11:13 < j-b-r> Seriously, that is pretty lame
11:13 < j-b-r> That was also a fairly lame attack.
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11:13 < j-b-r> At least find a client that won't throttle the speed you send the messages at
11:14 < j-b-r> In fact, that probably make cleints specifically designed to fuck with channels, just like they make bittorent clients like bitlord specifically for cheating other people
11:14 < likeWOAH> what exactly was the picture supposed to be of? a goomba?
11:14 < j-b-r> I think it is a goomba and a plain red mushroom
11:14 < j-b-r> Can't really tell, since it failed so much
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11:17 < BrandonW> I'm tempted to reply to this Omnimaga post.
11:17 < BrandonW> This is ridiculous.
11:18 < BrandonW> Everyone here knows he's crazy and don't pay any attention to him.
11:18 < BrandonW> No one wants to see his latest problem.
11:18 < BrandonW> No one cares about this argument between him and mtgrss111.
11:18 < BrandonW> Leave this channel out of it, Kevin.
11:18 < BrandonW> No one cares.
11:18 < BrandonW> Stop spamming us.
11:18 < BrandonW> Take your issue up with him.
11:18 < BrandonW> If I see any more talk about it, I'm kicking and banning.
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11:19 < BrandonW> I'm kicking and/or banning any more talk on this.
11:19 < DSP_Lord> ^
11:19 < BrandonW> Where's the URL of the logs for this channel?
11:19 < DSP_Lord> BrandonW: no clue.
11:19 < j-b-r> LOL@Flooding
11:20 < BrandonW> Yeah, :(
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11:20 < i_c-Y> i dont think andy_j's are public any more, and barrett doesnt have them any more too
11:20 < BrandonW> I saw a URL in here earlier.
11:20 < i_c-Y> about how long ago?
11:21 < BrandonW> Within the past 2-3 days.
11:21  * i_c-Y checks his logs
11:22 < BrandonW> Or if someone could just paste their own logs over the past 2-3 days to satisfy my curiosity.
11:23 < BrandonW> I really hate flood kicking.
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11:29 < BrandonW> Did you find it in the logs?
11:29 < BrandonW> (i_c-Y)
11:30 < i_c-Y> the logurl? no
11:30 < BrandonW> Could you copy/paste the logs from the past 2-3 days?
11:30 < i_c-Y> http://calcg.org/irclogs/tcpa/2009/
11:30 < BrandonW> There was a lot of good stuff in there I lost.
11:30 < i_c-Y> looks like its still working
11:30 < i_c-Y> or rather its working again
11:31 < i_c-Y> hm. Barrett , you switched to centos?
11:31 < i_c-Y> i could of course paste my logs, but the past few days are there
11:32 < BrandonW> Yeah, thanks for the URL.
11:32 < i_c-Y> np
11:32 < Barrett> i_c-Y: I switched to CentOS when I started using VMs a couple of months ago
11:32 < Barrett> fedora is just too bloated
11:33 < i_c-Y> whats the virtualization platform, ESXi?
11:34 < Barrett> Xen
11:34 < BrandonW> incubus, what 84+ image are you looking for?
11:34 < Barrett> I couldn't get ESXi to install with my RAID controller
11:34 < i_c-Y> im considering getting another calculator, not sure what though yet
11:35 < Barrett> by the way, the times are probably way off in those logs
11:36 < i_c-Y> way to go barrett.
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11:41 < Barrett> yeah... ntp temporarily fixes it when I run it non-daemon style and without the insanity check
11:41 < Barrett> but somehow it gets WAY off eventually
11:42 < Barrett> (with ntpd running...)
11:42 < Barrett> I guess I can look at the log to see what happens...
11:44 < i_c-Y> clock skew happens a lot in virtualized stuf
11:44 < i_c-Y> f
11:44 < Barrett> right, but ntpd should take care of that, right?
11:45 < i_c-Y> you dont run ntpd inside a VM.
11:45 < i_c-Y> you run it on dom0
11:45 < Barrett> fully virtualized guests
11:45 < i_c-Y> and everything else should get their times from that
11:46 < i_c-Y> nothing else should deal with ntp.
11:46 < i_c-Y> and then every n minutes the dom0 time is pushed to all things underneath
11:46 < Barrett> this guest is fully virtualized
11:48 < i_c-Y> its simple. /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallcock with 0 says get everything from the dom0, and just run ntp stuff on dom0. that's all there is to it on xen
11:48 < i_c-Y> and everything else should have ntp off and it'll just get updates automatically
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00:07 <@efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
00:08 < likeWOAH> ...:/
00:15 < BrandonW> I have like 20 TI Resource CDs.
00:15 < likeWOAH> what the fuck
00:15 < likeWOAH> why hasn't i_c-Y dropped
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00:19 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] The pycho has entered the channel.  Sound the alarms.
00:20  * likeWOAH turns on the air raid sirens
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00:22  * Randomist slept until six-something in the afternoon.
00:22 < Randomist> Damn lightning storms kept me up all night.
00:23 < Randomist> Can't sleep in my room when they happen, because my room has all the metals in it.
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00:48 < i_c-Y> Randomist: take a towel or something and tie it infront of your eyes
00:48 < i_c-Y> problem solved
00:48 < i_c-Y> you'll look like a retarded ninja turtle
00:49 < incubus> Is there a TI-84+ SE Debugger from TI?
00:49 < Randomist> Yes.
00:49 < Randomist> The SDK or whatevar.
00:49 < incubus> hmm
00:50 < incubus> http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&appId=177
00:50 < incubus> Seems to be TI83 only?
00:50 < incubus> well TI 83+ SE/TI 83+
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00:59 <@efneTI92> [Grue`] It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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01:03 < BrandonW> There is nothing from a developer standpoint from TI that emulates an 84+/SE, no.
01:04 < mtgrss111> I just use wabbitemu with the rom
01:04 < BrandonW> Wabbitemu's debugger is awful crap.
01:05 < incubus> BrandonW, how could I go about dissassembling the boot code?
01:06 < BrandonW> Extract it from the ROM using a hex editor and use a separate disassembler.
01:06 < BrandonW> If you're intent on usign the flash debugger, you have to swap it into bank 1 somehow.
01:06 < BrandonW> A simple program with "ld a,7Fh \ out (6),a" will do.
01:07 < BrandonW> But I highly recommend a separate disassembler.
01:07 < BrandonW> Such as IDA Pro.
01:07 < incubus> thanks
01:08 <+Netham45> using IDA to disassemble VC++.Net code sucked.
01:08 < BrandonW> It's excellent for z80.
01:08 <+Netham45> Not so good for Xbox 360 code.
01:08 < BrandonW> Actually, it's very good for 360 DVD firmware.
01:08 <+Netham45> I was disassembling game code, not DVD FW.
01:12 < BrandonW> I can't see how it wouldn't be good for anything.
01:12 < BrandonW> Disassembling C++ isn't good by its very nature.
01:12 <+Netham45> yea
01:12 <+Netham45> I tried to decompile it, but I couldn't find anything that'd decompile the PPC code properly.
01:18 < BrandonW> There was a time where I was almost tempted to pay for it.
01:20 < BrandonW> incubus, if you have a real 84+/SE, I'd recommend writing a small program that creates a 16384-byte AppVar and calls _FlashToRam on the 16384 bytes at page 7Fh, address 4000h, saving all that to the AppVar.
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01:20 < BrandonW> And then transfer that AppVar to your PC and rip out the boot code data.
01:20 < incubus> BrandonW, I don't have one :(
01:21 < BrandonW> I could just do it for you if you want.
01:21 < BrandonW> I have a BIN already of it, I think.
01:21 < BrandonW> If you're going to use IDA Pro I can even give you the database.
01:21 < BrandonW> So you'd have all my notes.
01:22 < incubus> you have all the boot code?
01:22 < BrandonW> In fact, it's already uploaded to /calcstuff/.
01:22 < incubus> lol ok
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01:22 < BrandonW> Combined with the 2.41 OS disassembly.
01:22 < BrandonW> Yes, I have it.
01:22 < incubus> lol holy shit nice
01:22 < BrandonW> I've disassembled many versions of the boot code.
01:22 < BrandonW> It kills me how they changed it from "Receiving...Calculator Software" to "Receiving...Operating System"
01:23 < incubus> heh
01:23 < BrandonW> They did that at some point with 1.00, and the version number didn't change.
01:23 < BrandonW> They have a tendency not to update the boot code version.
01:23 < BrandonW> There are many revisions out there.
01:24 < incubus> I see
01:25 < incubus>  OS2.43Disassembly.zip is the entire ROM dissasembly?
01:25 < BrandonW> I need to start keeping better track of that.
01:25 < BrandonW> There's one with "1.02dis" in the filename I think.
01:25 < BrandonW> Maybe it's in /crap/.
01:25 < BrandonW> It's boot code 1.02 from an 84+SE I believe, so it would have the most keys.
01:25 < incubus> I seeI see it
01:25 < incubus> oops I see it*
01:26 < incubus> there are 128 16Kbyte pages on the TI84 + SE?
01:26 < BrandonW> Yes.
01:26 < incubus> In the ROM**
01:26 < BrandonW> And the 83+SE.
01:26 < incubus> right
01:27 < incubus> is the boot code still in page 0?
01:27 < BrandonW> Half that in the 84+.
01:27 < BrandonW> No, it was never page 0. Why do people keep thinking that?
01:27 < BrandonW> You goldfish...
01:27 < BrandonW> It's the very last page.
01:27 < BrandonW> 7Fh.
01:27 < incubus> I saw you say that but it seemed to conflict with something I read
01:27 < BrandonW> It's the very last page, and the 84+/SE have a second boot page on 3Fh/6Fh.
01:27 < BrandonW> 2Fh/6Fh*
01:27 < incubus> god damn I'm just an idiot
01:28 <+noah_> thank all of you for staying mature during this "issue" I'm sorry that all of you got dragged into this 
01:28 < BrandonW> The second boot page contains all USB code.
01:28 < incubus> I was looking at the memory stack as starting from 0 on the bottom instead of at the top
01:28 < incubus> well not 'stack', but just the ROM pages put on a tbale
01:28 < incubus> table*
01:29 < incubus> Certification is still 0x7E?
01:29 < BrandonW> Yes.
01:29 < BrandonW> 1Eh on the 83+, 3Eh on the 84+, and 7Eh on the SEs.
01:29 < incubus> let me guess, you are somehow not able to read that?
01:29 < BrandonW> Not unless Flash is unlocked.
01:30 < incubus> what the hell is it in then dammit
01:30 < BrandonW> All Flash is write-locked until you unlock it, with the exception of the certificate sector which is also read-locked.
01:30 < incubus> lol
01:30 < BrandonW> Your calculator ID, any key updates, etc.
01:30 < BrandonW> Free83P puts the 05 key there.
01:31 < BrandonW> It's a very dangerous area of memory to screw around with.
01:31 < incubus> this is crazy, how can you write unlock it
01:31 < incubus> quote "Only editable by TI"
01:31 < BrandonW> Because if you corrupt it, you lose your calculator ID forever.
01:31 < incubus> LOL
01:31 < BrandonW> Or you can just brick your calculator.
01:31 < BrandonW> Like I did to 4 of them.
01:31 < incubus> but I thought you came up with a fix for it
01:31 < BrandonW> I did, but it only works if you have a second 83+ series calculator and an I/O cable.
01:31 < BrandonW> And ten minutes of your time.
01:32 < incubus> lol
01:32 < BrandonW> I'm about to take a shower, but queue the questions if you want.
01:32 < incubus> will do
01:35 < incubus> How do the rom call address references work, _JErrorNo equ 4000h, that's referencing the logical address space?
01:38 < incubus> Also, I don't understand the system it uses for logical memory.  Does some memory handler say "Well let's see he's asking me about address 4000, so that's either RAM page 0, 1, or one of the ROM pages"
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01:48 < BrandonW> There are four banks of memory.
01:48 < BrandonW> Bank 0, bank 1, bank 2, and bank 3.
01:48 < BrandonW> They make up the addressable memory space of a z80-based calculator.
01:48 < BrandonW> Each is 16KB.
01:48 < BrandonW> Making for 64KB total, from 0000h to 0FFFFh.
01:49 < BrandonW> Bank 0 is 0000h-3FFFh, bank 1 is 4000h-7FFFh, bank 2 is 8000h-0BFFFh, and bank 3 is 0C000h-0FFFFh.
01:49 < BrandonW> Bank 0 is fixed as ROM page 0, it can never ever change.
01:49 < BrandonW> Banks 1, 2, and 3 can change.
01:49 < BrandonW> By writing to certain ports.
01:49 < BrandonW> Port 6, for example, changes what's in bank 1.
01:49 < BrandonW> It's used most often.
01:50 < BrandonW> If I want to see the second byte of ROM page 1, I would output 1 to port 6.
01:50 < BrandonW> And then look at address 4001h.
01:50 < BrandonW> Is it starting to come together?
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01:50 <@efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
01:50 < likeWOAH> have you forsaken the nspire?
01:51 < likeWOAH> hm
01:52 < incubus> BrandonW, yes
01:53 < incubus> BrandonW, but the term banking is simply arbitrary yes?  There's nothing that exists as 4000-7FFF, which goes back to my statement.  If you were say to access Bank 1, Is something in the system checking if the address you specify is within the bounds 4000-7FFF?
01:53 < incubus> I'm not sure if that makes sense
01:54 < incubus> or do these banks exist as real entities? a chip or something?
01:54 < BrandonW> They're logical entities.
01:54 < BrandonW> Something must always be in bank 1.
01:54 < BrandonW> You can't have nothing there.
01:54 < incubus> right
01:54 < BrandonW> So by accessing memory address 4000h, you're hitting SOMETHING.
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01:54 < BrandonW> Which page or RAM/ROM, who knows.
01:55 < incubus> so when you do a BCALL, a ROM page is swapped in, executed, and swapped out?
01:55 < BrandonW> Yes. And the BCALL jump table which indicates where each routine (like _JErrorNo) is, is typically on page 7Bh.
01:55 < incubus> aaah ok
01:56 < BrandonW> So the BCALL routine swaps in page 7Bh, gets the page:address of the routine you want to call, swaps THAT page in, calls it, and then swaps the original page back.
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01:56 < BrandonW> And unlocking Flash takes time to explain, but it's pretty much writing to port 14h.
01:56 < BrandonW> writing a 1 to port 14h.*
01:57 < incubus> _JErrorNo is on bage 1Bh isn't it?
01:57 < incubus> Just going by your comments
01:57 < incubus> does the jump table indicate that it exists in 1Bh?
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01:57 < BrandonW> _JErrorNo if memory serves is actually on page 0.
01:58 < BrandonW> But where EXACTLY on page 0 changes from OS version to OS version.
01:58 < BrandonW> However, the three bytes that say where it is ON THAT VERSION is ALWAYS on 7Bh.
01:58 < incubus> aah
01:58 < BrandonW> So the location of the _JErrorNo routine is always at 7B:4000h.
01:58 < BrandonW> The _JErrorNo routine itself is...wherever.
01:58 < incubus> got it
01:59 < incubus> is that what B_JUMP or whatever does
02:00 < incubus> sec 
02:00 < incubus> CALL BRT_JUMP0
02:01 < BrandonW> It's pretty much the same as the BCALL routine, except you don't get control back.
02:01 < BrandonW> Which makes perfect sense, because it's a jump, not a call.
02:01 < incubus> right
02:02 < incubus> so RST rBR_CALL jumps to rBR_CALL / 8? (O_O)
02:03 < incubus> going by a couple different sources
02:03 < BrandonW> The z80 RST instruction is the same as CALL.
02:04 < BrandonW> Except it only works a certain few addresses.
02:04 < BrandonW> 0028h being one of them.
02:04 < BrandonW> One of the things the BCALL routine does is increase the return address by 2.
02:04 < BrandonW> So when the BCALL routine returns, you're not at the ".dw 0008h" you'd see, you're at the instruction after it.
02:04 < incubus> ?
02:04 < incubus> oh well ya
02:04 < BrandonW> works with*
02:05 < incubus> RST jumps to addresses aligned at double words?
02:06 < BrandonW> No.
02:06 < BrandonW> Only a very short list.
02:06 < incubus> that's weird though
02:06 < BrandonW> 0008h...
02:06 < BrandonW> I forget what they are.
02:06 < BrandonW> 0010h...
02:06 < BrandonW> 0018h...
02:06 < BrandonW> Up to 0038h.
02:06 < incubus> lol that's it?
02:06 < BrandonW> Yes.
02:07 < BrandonW> The RST instruction is only 1 byte (because the address is sort of squished into that one byte) while CALL is 3 bytes.
02:07 < incubus> oh right that's why it does that
02:07 < incubus> for a quicker jump
02:07 < incubus> er a smaller jump*
02:07 < BrandonW> So TI put the most-often used routines as RST routines.
02:07 < incubus> (not sure if it would actually be quicker)
02:07 < BrandonW> And the BCALL routine qualifies as being very often used.
02:07 < BrandonW> It might be a little faster.
02:09 < incubus> ok so it jumps to 28h, which is at Rom page 0
02:09  * incubus looks at the code
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02:09 < BrandonW> Right.
02:10 < incubus> LOL then it jumps to B_CALL
02:10 < incubus> which is on the same page! O_O
02:10 < BrandonW> Yes, because you don't have much room to work with at the start of page 0.
02:10 < incubus> well you noted it as B_CALL, whatever, 2A75
02:10 < BrandonW> So it jumps where the rest of the routine is.
02:11 < incubus> ah right you only have so many addresses at the start true
02:11 < incubus> those key addresses
02:11 < BrandonW> Remember, the RST routines jump to 0000h, 0008h, etc. That's only 8 bytes to work with at 0000h. And so on.
02:11 < incubus> for the RST
02:11 < incubus> right
02:11 < incubus> wtf
02:11 < incubus> is pushing hl 3 times really necessary?
02:11 < BrandonW> Yes.
02:12 < incubus> padding?
02:12 < BrandonW> The BCALL routine is kind of scary, not meant to be understood easily.
02:12 < incubus> lol
02:12 < BrandonW> It's saving the return address and page on the stack.
02:13 < BrandonW> Really, you could spend the rest of the night on this routine.
02:13 < BrandonW> If you have some other goal in mind, I'd be doing that instead.
02:13 < incubus> ya i'll come back to that
02:13 < incubus> :P
02:13 < BrandonW> It's a multipurpose routine, it does a lot depending on what you pass it.
02:14 < BrandonW> It could look at the OS jump table at 7Bh, the boot code jump table at 7Fh, or the base page of a multipage application.
02:14 < incubus> ah
02:14 < BrandonW> Calling routines on other pages in a multipage app, that magic happens in the BCALL routine.
02:15 < incubus> btw do you know what the exponent e is for the TI84 +?
02:15 < BrandonW> 17.
02:15 < BrandonW> It never ever changes.
02:15 < incubus> same? lol
02:15 < BrandonW> It couldn't change if they wanted it to.
02:15 < BrandonW> There's a routine why the boot code BCALL _bignumpowermod17 is named the way it is.
02:16 < incubus> LOL
02:16 < incubus> hahahaha
02:16 < BrandonW> There's a reason*
02:16 < incubus> I was going to ask how it dealt with those large numbers
02:16 < BrandonW> Typing is horrible tonight.
02:16 < incubus> luckily I've at least done a bit of discrete math dealing with the chinese remainder theorem and the basics of mod theory
02:21 < BrandonW> If validation is your goal, all but page 7Fh is worthless to you.
02:22 < incubus> right
02:23 < incubus> I'm trying to understand what pieces of information we have, because knowing e is apart of the public key encryption scheme, which would be part of the piece of missing info
02:24 < BrandonW> These are all the pieces: n, p, q, d, and e.
02:24 < incubus> What info did we have last week for the TI-83+ from your webpage, we had n, d, and e yes?
02:24 < BrandonW> We of course always know e.
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02:24 < BrandonW> We had n.
02:24 < BrandonW> That's it (and e of course).
02:24 < BrandonW> What we needed was p and q.
02:24 < BrandonW> d is calculated from p and q.
02:24 < incubus> how do you say e of course, to decrypt you're suppose to choose a d based from e
02:24 < BrandonW> When you're generating a key, yes.
02:24 < BrandonW> TI did this many years ago.
02:25 < BrandonW> They chose an e, and then figured out d.
02:25 < BrandonW> e is typically only a small handful of values.
02:25 < incubus> but you're supposed to give a private key for us, giving us d, and giving us n
02:25 < BrandonW> I think it goes 3, 17, 257, etc.
02:25 < incubus> then we can decrypt what you encrypt
02:25 < BrandonW> As I said, for OS signing it's backwards from what you would expect.
02:26 < BrandonW> What you encrypt with (d,n) you can decrypt with (e,n).
02:26 < incubus> yah I remember you saying that but I thought it was just in what we know as 'private' was backwards
02:26 < BrandonW> d is the private key exponent.
02:26 < BrandonW> Only TI has it.
02:27 < BrandonW> e is the public key exponent. The whole world has it.
02:27 < BrandonW> The same e is used for every key they have.
02:27 < BrandonW> d is different for each key.
02:27 < incubus> yes this makes sense
02:28 < incubus> how are they encrypting with d then?  value ^ d mod n?
02:28 < BrandonW> That's exactly what they're doing, and what we can now do.
02:28 < incubus> why the fuck did they do it that way
02:28 < incubus> that's just weird
02:28 < BrandonW> That's how using RSA for signatures works.
02:28 < BrandonW> Everyone does this.
02:28 < incubus> no no no
02:28 < incubus> this is backwards
02:28 < BrandonW> Validation and signing is backwards from plain old encrypting and decrypting.
02:29 < incubus> The small exponent e is supposed to be used to encrypt
02:29 < incubus> not the larger value d
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02:29 < BrandonW> I think I'm just being confusing with terminology.
02:29 < incubus> ya
02:29  * incubus stabs BrandonW
02:29 < BrandonW> Think about it, if they encrypted with e, that would be piss easy to guess.
02:30 < BrandonW> They're inverses of each other.
02:30 < BrandonW> It doesn't matter what you use to encrypt or decrypt.
02:31 < incubus> I agree now
02:31 < incubus> it doesn't make it piss easy to decrypt though, you still have to figure out d based on e and n
02:31 < BrandonW> If they encrypted with d, all I need to decrypt is e and n.
02:31 < BrandonW> e is ridiculously small and we know n, so we could guess it in no time.
02:32 < BrandonW> We're talking at most 257 guesses.
02:32 < BrandonW> Considering the technology at the time.
02:33 < incubus> this isn't right, look at this,  de = 1 (mod n), look how huge d is
02:33 < incubus> that's the equation you're deducing
02:34 < incubus> you know e, you know n, you're going to have to sort through a mess of d's
02:35 < BrandonW> I don't claim to know the first thing about number theory, the point is we need the private encryption key.
02:35 < BrandonW> And it's not easy, by factoring or by that thing you just said.
02:36 < incubus> I'm just trying to make sure I'm analyzing what we know correctly
02:36 < incubus> and I believe what you are saying is possible, it's just simply backwards
02:37 < BrandonW> They're inverses, it's just a matter of who you want to have the big number.
02:37 < BrandonW> For OS signing, TI wants the impossible-to-figure-out number.
02:37 < incubus> agreed
02:37 < BrandonW> If I want to give someone a private message, they wanta the impossible-to-figure-out number.
02:37 < BrandonW> want*
02:38 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: http://xkcd.com/538/
02:38 < BrandonW> It's just from the perspective of who is private and who is public.
02:38 < incubus> what I'm trying to say is that it's not easier or harder going from one direction or the other, I may be wrong about this
02:38 < incubus> but it wouldn't make sense for what you said to be right, and for this RSA description I'm looking at to be piss poor
02:38 < BrandonW> Of course it is.
02:39 < BrandonW> Let's go back to basic RSA and your typical use of it, no signing or validation.
02:40 < incubus> ok
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02:40 < BrandonW> If I want to give someone a message, I would encrypt it with e, which everyone knows. It's fine if everyone knows it, anyone can send a message to that someone.
02:40 < BrandonW> The other someone has d, the impossible-to-figure-out number that only that someone has.
02:40 < incubus> yes
02:40 < incubus> correct
02:40 < BrandonW> If I encrypt a message and send it to that someone, only they can decrypt it and see it.
02:40 < BrandonW> Guaranteeing that only that person can see it.
02:40 < incubus> yes
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02:41 < BrandonW> So their decryption key needs to be impossible to figure out.
02:41 < BrandonW> That's d.
02:41 < incubus> correct
02:41 < BrandonW> So this is the situation of "anyone can send a message to this person, but only that person can read it."
02:41 < incubus> yes
02:41 < BrandonW> TI's situation is "only TI can send a message, but anyone can read it."
02:41 < BrandonW> Completely backwards.
02:41 < incubus> ah I guess that's true
02:42 < BrandonW> So only TI has the encryption key (d,n) and everyone's calculator has the decryption key (e,n).
02:42 < incubus> good call
02:42 < BrandonW> Because both e and n are hard-coded in the boot code.
02:43 < ryantmer> Hm. Clicking "End process tree" on explorer.exe pretty much closes everything.
02:43 < ryantmer> Who knew?
02:43 < incubus> BrandonW, btw where in the boot code does n lie, or where is it referenced
02:44 < BrandonW> n is the modulus or what we sometimes call the public key.
02:44 < incubus> I have the value you gave me earlier but I want to double check
02:44 < BrandonW> You have to disassemble _SetupOSPubKey.
02:44 < BrandonW> And find where it loads the address of the public key into HL.
02:44 < BrandonW> Wherever that is in memory, that's where the key is.
02:44 < incubus> oh yes that's right, I left off from you saying that, how I know how the ROM is structured, great
02:45 < BrandonW> Remember, the key I gave is Big Endian and it's going to be hard-coded in the boot code as length-indexed Little Endian.
02:45 < BrandonW> So it'll be backwards, and start with 40h.
02:45 < incubus> right
02:46 < BrandonW> Since e never changes, the only key-specific thing we have to worry about is n.
02:46 < BrandonW> And that's what you see hard-coded everywhere.
02:49 < incubus> Here's where I got confused, 80FFh is what _SetupOSPubKey is equated to, 7B:80FF? O_O
02:49 < BrandonW> No, one of the things the BCALL routine does is make a decision on which jump table to use.
02:50 < BrandonW> Which bits are set in the address you give it determine that.
02:50 < incubus> oooooh
02:50 < BrandonW> If it's in the 4xxxh range, it looks at page 7Bh.
02:50 < BrandonW> If it's the 8xxxh range, it looks at page 7Fh.
02:50 < BrandonW> So in the boot code disassembly, where you want to go is 40FFh.
02:50 < BrandonW> That will give you the address of the routine.
02:52 < BrandonW> If it's in the 0xxxh range, it's a multipage app call.
02:53 < BrandonW> So if you disassemble a multipage app, that's why you sometimes see things like: rst 28h \ .dw 009Ch
02:53 < incubus> I see
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02:53 < incubus> what the hell is going on in 7F:40FF
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02:54 < incubus> that goes right in the MIDDLE of data
02:54 < BrandonW> That's the jump table.
02:54 < incubus> ooh ok
02:54 < incubus> drr
02:54 < incubus> my bad
02:54 < BrandonW> The two bytes at 40FFh give you the address of the routine.
02:54 < incubus> right
02:54 < BrandonW> The third byte (at 4101h) gives you the page.
02:54 < incubus> you knew I'd ask that :)
02:54 < BrandonW> Which, for the boot code jump table, is almost always going to be 7Fh.
02:55 < incubus> yup
02:55 < BrandonW> On the 84+/SE boot code (which I think is what you're looking at) you'll sometimes see 6Fh.
02:55 < incubus> there's a fe 6Fh
02:55 < incubus> ya
02:55 < BrandonW> That's how it calls things on page 6Fh, the second boot page.
02:55 < incubus> second boot page? O_O
02:55 < incubus> thought there was only 1
02:55 < BrandonW> Yes, it contains almost all USB code. It's only on the 84+/SE.
02:55 < incubus> oohok
02:55 < incubus> ok*
02:55 < BrandonW> It was necessary because it won't all fit on page 7Fh.
02:55 < incubus> heh
02:55 < Merth|G1> yeah!
02:56 < incubus> is this page write locked?
02:56 < BrandonW> Because of their shitty USB controller interface.
02:56 < incubus> Merth|G1, ?
02:56 < BrandonW> The boot pages are permanently write-locked.
02:56 < incubus> :D
02:56 < BrandonW> They are also privileged pages, which means you can unlock Flash from them.
02:56 < incubus> unlock flash? hmm?
02:57 < BrandonW> Flash can only be unlocked from a privileged page.
02:57 < BrandonW> The code that unlocks it (writing 1 to port 14h) must run from a privileged page.
02:58 < BrandonW> If you skim through this disassembly, you'll see "ld a,1 \ nop \ nop \ im 1 \ di \ out (14h),a" sprinkled everywhere.
02:58 < BrandonW> That's the code that unlocks it.
02:58 < incubus> I see
02:58 < incubus> Important question, what is the 'Certificate' exactly?
02:59 < BrandonW> Am I the only one that sees you're a goldfish?
02:59 < BrandonW> I told you already.
02:59 < incubus> ?
02:59 < BrandonW> It's a read-locked and write-locked Flash sector that holds your calculator ID, key updates, etc.
02:59 < BrandonW> The word "sector" usually means 64KB, but for the certificate it's only 16KB.
03:00 < BrandonW> Or in other words, page 7Eh.
03:00 < incubus> well the way I asked it was a page named Certificate, I thought certificate was a certain signature or something, my mistake, I did remember you saying that though
03:00 < BrandonW> Strictly speaking it's two 8KB sectors.
03:00 < incubus> I didn't realize it's calling "the id, key updates, etc" the certificate
03:00 < incubus> ie the entire page
03:00 < BrandonW> It's a data page (no code) which holds that stuff.
03:01 < BrandonW> It also holds a flag indicating whether your OS is valid.
03:01 < incubus> heh
03:01 < BrandonW> It also keeps a bitmap of which Flash pages have apps installed.
03:01 < BrandonW> It also holds the flags that keep track of whether Testguard2 is enabled.
03:01 < BrandonW> It has lots of stuff.
03:01 < incubus> I can't believe you named all this stuff in the database
03:02 < incubus> this must have taken years
03:02 < BrandonW> It's actually kind of sad when you look back at it.
03:02 < incubus> why is that?
03:02 < BrandonW> It didn't take that long.
03:02 < incubus> lol
03:02 < BrandonW> These disassemblies are actually horribly incomplete, and that was uploaded a year or two ago.
03:02 < BrandonW> My copy has more.
03:04 < Merth|G1> my copy has the most
03:04 < incubus> ugh well I'm terribly interested but I have to go to bed so I can wake up early and cram for a test, it was good talking to you.  Thanks for being patient.  I'll have a long time to catch up on all this calc info within the next 3 weeks :D
03:04 < incubus> night.
03:05 < Merth|G1> night
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03:06  * Randomist sees a long stream of #CC0000 BrandonW and #FF0000 incubus.
03:06 < BrandonW> I regurgitate this stuff in my sleep, it's good if someone hears it and gets use out of it.
03:07 < Merth|G1> sleeping with you must be awkward
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03:14 < Randomist> *Tossing, turning, muttering.*  "Yes."  *Muttering.*  "Oh, yes."  *Snores, muttering.*  "You like it when I exploit your code."  *Muttering, chuckle.*  "Come closer.  Let me sign your certificate."
03:14 < jayhawker> !k Randomist 
03:14 < jayhawker> :-)
03:15  * tr1p1ea is very sore
03:16 < Merth|G1> hi tr1p1ea
03:19 < tr1p1ea> hello
03:20 < Merth|G1> how are you?
03:22 < jayhawker> window 6
03:22 < jayhawker> gah.
03:22  * jayhawker kicks Randomist for his slow ssh, too. :-)
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03:32 < sir_lewk> DUDES
03:33 < sir_lewk> Adam Baldwin
03:33 < sir_lewk> they guy that played Animal Mother in Full Metal Jacket and Jayne in Firefly
03:33 < sir_lewk> he totally doesn't age
03:34 < sir_lewk> be amazed at my insight, be amazed
03:35 <@_Auron_> I burned my hand in the stove
03:35 < i_c-Y> congratulations
03:35 <@_Auron_> it hurts
03:36 <@_Auron_> actually, just two of my fingers just above the knuckle. a nice white line is there now
03:36 < sir_lewk> yeah well, I'm watching firefly
03:37 <@_Auron_> I'm about to watch some True Blood in a bit
03:40 < sir_lewk> blub blub blub
03:41 < sir_lewk> (that is the sound that drunk people make, fyi)
03:42 <@_Auron_> glub glub glub
03:42 <@_Auron_> that is the noise unicorns make
03:42 < sir_lewk> wondervar
03:43 < sir_lewk> (wonderful with a german accent)
03:43 < sir_lewk> ok, me drink more now mmkay?
03:43 <@_Auron_> I wanna drink D:
03:44  * sir_lewk slides _Auron_ a "Greco"
03:44 < sir_lewk> orange soda and vodka, created it myself
03:44 <@_Auron_> no, IRL
03:44 < sir_lewk> oh well
03:47 < ports> hrmm
03:47 < ports> sir_lewk, thats not a new drink
03:47 < sir_lewk> well blah
03:47 < sir_lewk> I was the first to name it
03:47 < ports> http://www.shot-cocktail-recipe.com/cocktail-recipes/vodka_orange_soda.html
03:48 < sir_lewk> oh pah, a greco is made with straight vodka, no flavored nonsensicals
03:52 < ports> i wish i had a bluray dvd player
03:52 < ports> i think ill buy one soon
03:53 <@_Auron_> bluray dvd player or bluray player?
03:53 < sir_lewk> huh?
03:53 <@_Auron_> that's like saying "I wish I had a dvd cd player"
03:53 < ports> _Auron_, stfu
03:53 <@_Auron_> no u
03:54 < sir_lewk> I thought the actual trademark whatever was "bluray dvd"...
03:54 < ports> video nerds.. can you watch blu-ray on a 720p and have it be the "great" quality or do you need the 1080p?
03:54 < ports> sir_lewk, nah its BD.. blu-ray disc
03:54 < sir_lewk> oh
03:55 < sir_lewk> honestly anything past DVD is worthless (for me, my eyesight isn't the greatest...)
03:55 < ports> i have a 42" 720p tv..
03:57 < i_c-Y> itd be better than a dvd, but 1080p is the best viewing experience
03:57 < asmand> I have a 32" 720p
03:58 < asmand> it felt really huge when I bought it, now it's tiny
03:58 < sir_lewk> what I mean is, when I watch bluray discs on nice TVs it gives me a headache because it's far more detail than I'm used to seeing
03:58 < ports> the 42" 720p was $600...  it was $800 for a 1080p
03:58 <@_Auron_> ports: I don't notice much of a difference between 720 and 1080
03:58 < asmand> man, things are a lot cheaper over there
03:58 < asmand> I payed 899 euro for my 32" 720p
03:59 < asmand> but that was a couple of years ago
03:59 < ports> asmand, prices have dropped quite a bit.. but theyre also Visio tvs
03:59 < asmand> 1080p would have been around 1499 euro
03:59 < asmand> visio?
03:59 < ports> yeah
03:59 < asmand> what's that?
03:59 < ports> they import cheap lcd and plasma tvs to the US
03:59 < ports> good quality, but cheaper price..
04:00 < i_c-Y> and shitty warranty options
04:00 < i_c-Y> you're essentially out the TV if something goes wrong with a vizio
04:01 < asmand> ah
04:01 < asmand> mine's a sony
04:01 < ports> i was waiting for him to snipe that..
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04:06 <@_Auron_> I remember when HDTVs ranged from $1200 to $3000
04:07 < ports> yay
04:07 < ports> i just bought a new job
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04:07 <@_Auron_> how does one buy a job?
04:07 < ports> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855129005
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04:08 < ports> _Auron_, i hate you tonight
04:08 < ports> i just bought a new watch
04:08 < ports> stupid family guy.. they were talking about a job and i typed job
04:08 <@_Auron_> don't hate
04:08 <@_Auron_> procreate!
04:09 < ports> gays cant :P
04:09 < dalek_> ...
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04:11 < ports> jayhawker, whats your BB pin
04:11  * jayhawker idles for no apparent reason
04:11 <@_Auron_> o.O
04:11 <@_Auron_> I just deleted the steam quicklaunch icon and my pidgin one disappeared
04:11 < ports> you can say no if you dont want to give it to me
04:12 <@_Auron_> but now I can't do anything to the steam icon
04:12 <@_Auron_> stupid windows
04:12 < jayhawker> I think the question is... do I have a good reason to share my BB pin # with ANYONE on IRC...
04:13 < jayhawker> heh.
04:13 < ports> jayhawker, no need to be an ass.
04:13 <@_Auron_> ports, no need to be an idiot
04:13 < jayhawker> you're right, that's your job
04:13 < ports> exactly.
04:31 < ports> ooo OOOOoooOOoooOOOoooh
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05:28 <@Nikky> Oh hey
05:28 < Flacknack> hello Nikky. and everybody else in #tcpa o/
05:29 <@Nikky> Hi
05:29 <@Nikky> Who the hell are you
05:29 < Flacknack> hows it going?
05:29 < Flacknack> i would tell you that i am Ginger... but you might not like me after that... so i wont.
05:29 < Flacknack> <3
05:29 <@Nikky> oh, okay
05:29 <@Nikky> hi
05:29 <@Nikky> wow, two flagnotes
05:29 < Flacknack> hola
05:29 <@Nikky> WHT THE HELL
05:29 < Flacknack> flagnotes?
05:30 <@Nikky> on the bots
05:30 <@Nikky> it lke never HAPPENS
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05:30 < Flacknack> ah
05:31 < Flacknack> speaking of which, why are there so many bots?
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05:31 < Flacknack> erm, actually, why arnt there more? there are a few calc models missing :o
05:31 < j-b-r> Many bots to assure that one of them will always stay alive
05:32 < j-b-r> so that way the owners never lose ownership of the channel
05:32 < j-b-r> There used to be more, btw
05:32 <@Nikky> yeah
05:32 <@Nikky> the notes were about 89 and remius being total bitches
05:32 <@Nikky> I guess that resolved itself
05:32 <@Nikky> ugh
05:32 <@Nikky> read my email for me
05:32 < j-b-r> Back in the day some TI-oriented channels got "overtaken"
05:33 < j-b-r> Nikky: Why don't you pay someone to do it?
05:33 <@Nikky> kk
05:33 <@Nikky> I will pay you
05:33 <@Nikky> um
05:33 <@Nikky> in fun dollars
05:33 < j-b-r> Use the mechanical turk service
05:33 < j-b-r> 5 cents per email or something
05:33 < BrandonW> Look at all the people!
05:33 < j-b-r> Yeah, when you're not talking about fancy advanced TI stuff, I can actually talk
05:34 < BrandonW> :(
05:34 < Flacknack> oh, i forgot that efnet does things differently. with chanserv and nickserv and such
05:34 < j-b-r> Yeah, efnet is oldskool
05:34 <@Nikky> So hmm
05:34 < Flacknack> yup. so is their uptime :P
05:34 < j-b-r> I like netsplits...
05:34 <@Nikky> I think ticalc is going to a group news effort thing
05:34 <@Nikky> competition and all that
05:34 < j-b-r> Huh?
05:34 <@Nikky> So if you got hot news
05:34 <@Nikky> WIRE IT TO ME
05:34 <@Nikky> \o/
05:35 < j-b-r> I've been waaaaay out of the calc scene for quite some time now...
05:35 < j-b-r> I've been doing... other things...
05:35 <@Nikky> BrandonW: so yeah
05:35 < j-b-r> Yeah, there you go, BrandonW will always be making hot news for you
05:38 < BrandonW> I can't be the only one doing it!
05:45 < BrandonW> On the plus side, I see on United TI that CSX successfully signed with the 05 key.
05:47 < BrandonW> So back to OS2, I guess.
05:47 < BrandonW> Resume offtopic discussion!
05:51 <@Nikky> kk
05:53 < j-b-r> So, how about that non-calculator related _thing_?
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06:05 < BrandonW> Fix it, Nikky.
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06:05 < BrandonW> Look what your absence did to us.
06:05 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI81] by etaonrish
06:05 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o efneTI81] by efneTI92, efneTI80
06:06 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o efneTI81] by efneTI89, efneTI80, efneTI80
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06:07 <@Nikky> ugh
06:07 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o efneTI81] by efneTI89
06:07 <@Nikky> okay, I likeded it
06:07 <@Nikky> s not ficed
06:07 <@Nikky> lied
06:07 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o efneTI81] by efneTI89
06:07 <@Nikky> JESUS CHRIST THIS CONNECTIOn
06:07 <@Nikky> SO MUCH GODDANED MALLE
06:07 <@Nikky> LAG
06:08 < Randomist> The gods must be crazy.
06:08 < Randomist> * bots
06:08 < BrandonW> JUST FUCKING STOP
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06:11 < Randomist> "Let him have ops!"  "Hell, no!"
06:11 <@Nikky> ...
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06:12 < Randomist> What has efneTI81 ever done to anyone?  :P
06:12 < BrandonW> Nothing, that's the point. Not even a link port.
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06:17 <@Nikky> sigh
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06:17 <@Nikky> you would think someone would FIX THESE THINGS
06:17 <@Nikky> OH NO
06:17 <@Nikky> LET
06:17 <@Nikky> US LEAVE IT TO NIKKY
06:17 <@Nikky> WHO WAS RELAXED
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06:18 < BrandonW> I've never seen him go this psycho.
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06:18 <@Nikky> it's 86
06:18 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI80] by SnowCrash
06:18 <@Nikky> the altbot settings are fucked up
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06:19 <@Nikky> so I had everythihnh go yhtouh 86
06:19 <@Nikky> which, of course, is a nistake
06:19 <@Nikky> because 86 has the reability of a north norean server
06:19 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o Remius] by efneTI85
06:19 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o efneTI81] by efneTI92
06:19 < Randomist> *Chinese accent:*  Vacation time over!  Back to work!
06:19 < BrandonW> So does your typing.
06:19 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI81] by SnowCrash
06:19 <@Nikky> thanks
06:20 <@Nikky> laggy ssh
06:20 <@Nikky> irssi
06:20 <@Nikky> in the dark
06:20 < BrandonW> BAM! *SOVIET NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST*
06:20 <@Nikky> because I'm outside
06:20 <@Nikky> such the hell up
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06:20 <@Nikky> I think it's...um
06:20 <@Nikky> resolved
06:20 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI86] by efneTI85
06:20 <@Nikky> because 86 decided to show up
06:20 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o efneTI81] by efneTI92
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06:21 <@Nikky> oh god
06:21 < Randomist> Nikky:  Bots don't know the TCPA rules.
06:21 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o efneTI81] by efneTI92
06:21 < Randomist> Clearly, they're revolting.
06:21 <@Nikky> another 150 messages in another folder I forgot about
06:22 <@Nikky> ffffffffff
06:22 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI81] by SnowCrash
06:22 < BrandonW> That's what you get for leaving.
06:22 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o efneTI81] by efneTI92
06:22 <@Nikky> yeah, I know
06:22 <@Nikky> I'm osrry
06:22 < Randomist> Hi, Osrry.
06:23 <@Nikky> diaf
06:23 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI81] by SnowCrash
06:23 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o efneTI81] by efneTI92
06:23 <@Nikky> thanks snowcrash
06:24 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI81] by efneTI80
06:24 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI81] by efneTI80
06:24  * Randomist grabs a bag of popcorn and watches Nikky duke it out with the warring bots.
06:24 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI81] by efneTI80
06:24 <@Nikky> are they warring?
06:24 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o Remius] by efneTI81
06:24 < BrandonW> Okay, certifiable proof that TI Connect is shit.
06:24 <@Nikky> oh
06:24 <@Nikky> f that
06:24 < BrandonW> It gets confirmation that no OS is loaded.
06:24 < BrandonW> And yet it sends a remote control packet.
06:24 < BrandonW> To get back to the homescreen.
06:24 < BrandonW> ...
06:24 < BrandonW> THERE'S NO OS
06:24 <+Netham45> BrandonW, lol
06:25 <@Nikky> if they want me to fix it
06:25 <@Nikky> then can make me an woener
06:25 <@Nikky> otherwise, it's grue's job to fix it
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06:25 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o Remius] by efneTI92
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06:25 < Randomist> I thought it was supposed to be Aardvark's job.
06:25 <@Nikky> sent to tier 3 support
06:25 < BrandonW> I always knew TI Connect was making some stupid assumption like that.
06:26 < BrandonW> The link failed, so let's send more shit! Maybe it'll work then!
06:26 < Randomist> Except he bounces for weeks at a time and leaves the bot-checks to you and Andy.
06:26 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o Remius] by efneTI80
06:26 < Randomist> (Or whoever that other bot-master is.)
06:26 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o Remius] by efneTI81
06:26 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o Remius] by efneTI92
06:26 <@Nikky> in the meantime
06:26 <@Nikky> just ignore them or something
06:27 <+Netham45> Didn't andy secede?
06:27 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o Remius] by efneTI86
06:27 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o Remius] by efneTI81
06:27 < Randomist> Netham45:  He comes back every once in a blue moon to make sure the bots are sane.
06:27 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o Remius] by efneTI80
06:27 <@Nikky> Which is better than most are doing
06:27 <+Netham45> ah
06:27 <@Nikky> I know a fair amount about them
06:28 <@Nikky> but this setup is so custom
06:28 <@Nikky> it's astounding
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06:28 <+Netham45> Nikky, you seem different.
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06:28 <@Nikky> how so?
06:28 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o Remius] by efneTI81
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06:28 < BrandonW> It's like you've been replaced by a certain well-known psycho.
06:29 <@Nikky> probably
06:29 <+Netham45> BrandonW, you need to be more specific
06:29 <@Nikky> I'm getting too old for this sort of thing
06:29 < BrandonW> And how old is that?
06:29 <@Nikky> 45
06:29 < Randomist> Twenty-three?
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06:30 < Randomist> Looks like they're playing "Center of Attention."
06:31 < Randomist> Except the kicks are replaced with ops.
06:31 < jayhawker> ...
06:32 < Randomist> Yes, I know, the things to come from my mind leave people speechless.
06:34 < BrandonW> Who did you play "Center of Attention" with as a kid, and why did they kick you so many times?
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06:41 < BrandonW> FINALLY!
06:41 < BrandonW> Linking is working in OS2.
06:41 < BrandonW> Finally I can just silent link OS2 to itself over and over.
06:41 < BrandonW> No more TI OSDownloader.
06:42 < Randomist> OS2?
06:42 < BrandonW> Go to ticalc.org, you savage.
06:42 < BrandonW> That really makes me sad.
06:43 < Randomist> It's not like I got an RSS feed to the place.  :P
06:43 < BrandonW> If you had checked it within the past week, you'd know.
06:43 < BrandonW> You're in #tcpa, it's your duty.
06:44  * Randomist adds it to his feed list.
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06:48  * Nikky agrees with BrandonW 
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06:52 <@efneTI92> [patrick_] The TI-85 shall reign supreme, always and forever
06:53  * Randomist thinks about using his calculator to create little samples to use for music.
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06:59 <+Netham45> I have no idea where my calculator is
06:59 <+Netham45> iirc, the USB port on it was damaged too
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07:04 < patrick_> do you jknow who damaged it?
07:04 < BrandonW> I'm sure he did.
07:04 <@Nikky> he tried to "link" to it
07:09 < Randomist> *Country accent:*  ...with his penis!
07:11 <@Nikky> http://www.artificialowl.net/2009/07/hanging-bunker-at-devils-slide.html
07:11 <@Nikky> so awesome
07:11 <@Nikky> We drove by there a few days ago
07:11 <@Nikky> and I saw that
07:11 <@Nikky> and wondered what it was
07:11 <@Nikky> there were no real markings around the location
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07:51  * Randomist hates tags.
07:51 < Randomist> I finally noticed that I was doing it wrong on one place, and the moment they got fixed, hits started coming in.
07:53 < ryantmer> Meta tags?
07:54 < Randomist> Or whatever those are when you upload a file and, instead of folders, you put in some words that say what it is.
07:54 < Randomist> * have to put in
07:54 < ryantmer> oh, nvm. I was thinking a website.
07:55 < ryantmer> Also, sleep-;
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09:07 < BrandonW> I still have to use TI OSDownloader, which is fine actually, I just don't have to boot from ON+DEL anytime anymore.
09:07 < BrandonW> That was getting awfully annoying.
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09:41 <@efneTI92> [_Auron|G1] We called it Sin.
09:44 < _Digital> ah dangit
09:44 < _Digital> missed 02:34:56
09:44 < BrandonW> Wouldn't 12:34:56 be better?
09:45 < _Digital> I'll be asleep then though
09:45 < _Digital> a proper number system would be 01:23:45
10:11 <+krisk> lol in a usenet .nfo file:     ° ÛÛÛ²    ßÛÜ                GREETINGS TO:                 ÜÛß  ° ÛÛÛ² °
10:11 <+krisk>  ßÛ²ÜÜ°         That cute girl in the bus when i go to work.         °°  °ÜܲÛß
10:31 < BrandonW> BWAHAHAHA, you can now remotely request screenshots from OS2.
10:32 < BrandonW> http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5193/dualboot.jpg
10:32 < BrandonW> The link code's now in place to be able to receive the TI-OS.
10:33 < BrandonW> So I can write it to some spare sectors, patch it and be able to switch on-the-fly.
10:33 < BrandonW> By holding down [X,T,theta,N] while turning on.
10:33 < BrandonW> So I get that written and the corresponding direct USB code and this thing is finally starting to have a purpose.
10:33 < BrandonW> And a reason to use it.
10:34 <@E-J> i wonder what BrandonW will do after 10 years, do we collection of new OS:s to ti calcs
10:34 < BrandonW> We're well on our way to an actual homescreen.
10:34 < BrandonW> And the ability to run programs and Flash applications.
10:35 < BrandonW> It only gets better from here.
10:35 < BrandonW> But like I've said all along, I consider this the TI-OS done right, not a radical departure from what we all already know.
10:35 < BrandonW> This is only a first step.
10:35 < BrandonW> In the world of OS writing.
10:36 < BrandonW> It'll probably the only OS I ever write, but it shouldn't be the last written.
10:36 < BrandonW> probably be*
10:51 < BrandonW> My goal is a version of the TI-OS that anyone can go in and modify if they just plain don't like something.
10:52 < BrandonW> No scary OS patches, just modify the source.
10:57 < BrandonW> If it does end up being radically different, so be it.
10:58 < BrandonW> As long as there's compatibility.
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11:26 < BrandonW> Well, I managed to get XP to tell me the USB device wasn't recognized.
11:26 < BrandonW> That's progress, I guess.
11:26 < BrandonW> (direct USB from scratch)
11:33 < BrandonW> I would just love to slap the person responsible for this garbage.
11:34 < BrandonW> I have labels like "initTypeStuff_maybePeriphRelated_maybe_1_02InitCode"
11:34 < BrandonW> It's magic.
11:34 < BrandonW> Pure magic.
11:35 <+krisk> fun
11:36 < incubus> ugh you guys are still up?
11:36 < BrandonW> Ugh, you actually sleep?
11:36 <+krisk> [13:25:40] <incubus> ugh you guys are still up?
11:36 < incubus> now I do :D
11:36 <+krisk> ugh timezones
11:37 < incubus> BrandonW, you realize I went to sleep 8 hours a go
11:37 < incubus> you are like a friggin owl
11:39 < incubus> I have a strange injury to report
11:39 < BrandonW> There are like 18 possible ways for USB to fail.
11:39 < BrandonW> And none of them are distinguishable.
11:39 < BrandonW> Ways to handle it, I mean.
11:40 < incubus> BrandonW, :(
11:40 < incubus> name a way for it to fail
11:40 < BrandonW> Dan told me once that he pretty much understood this page at one point.
11:40 < BrandonW> It's freaking magic.
11:40 < BrandonW> I'm on page 74h if you want to glance at it.
11:42  * incubus glances at it
11:42 < BrandonW> Labels like "ScrewWithUSBPorts" and "noItsReallySomethingAboutPeriphInitialization"...
11:43 < incubus> screwWith3Ah_4Bh_54h
11:43 < BrandonW> There is no consistency AT ALL in what these ports do.
11:43 < BrandonW> You could think one has to do with initialization, or setting up pipes, or error states, or something...
11:43 < incubus> lol
11:43 < BrandonW> And then I could show you about 3 different places that contradict tha tthought.
11:43 < BrandonW> that thought.*
11:44 < incubus> Does the TI-84+ SE have more/less/different ports than the TI-83+ SE?
11:44 < incubus> like port 5
11:44 < BrandonW> It has all this scary magic from 39h all the way up to 0AFh.
11:44 < incubus> O_O
11:44 < incubus> er well ya other than the USB shit
11:44 < BrandonW> 39h and up are 84+/SE only.
11:45 < BrandonW> That's from memory.
11:46 < BrandonW> If it doesn't involve USB, all but the 83+ probably have it.
11:46 < BrandonW> And the 83+ has the really low numbers.
11:46 < al_b> BrandonW, out of curiosity
11:47 < al_b> are you an IT or engineering student, or a programmer, or just someone who takes their hobbies very very seriously? :)
11:47 < BrandonW> I'm a programmer.
11:47 < incubus> 0-48
11:47 < al_b> fair enough, just curious
11:47 < BrandonW> I do VB.NET by day and this by night.
11:47 < incubus> BrandonW, btw any story behind the call center gig?  Money is money, but I figure you wouldn't have too tough of a time landing a job somewhere you want
11:48 < BrandonW> I like my job.
11:48 < incubus> that works :D
11:48 < BrandonW> Sucks to be one of the agents, but I'm not one so I don't care.
11:49 < incubus> I thought you'd want to be an embedded programmer somewhere
11:49 < BrandonW> Maybe.
11:49 < al_b> embedded stuff is fun :)
11:49 < al_b> I love having code that can possibly start fires or cause lots of expensive damage if it fails
11:49 < incubus> teehee
11:50 < al_b> man Kevin Kofler and Lionel are still fighting after how many years?
11:51 < incubus> Man I think my toe might need stitches
11:51 < BrandonW> Some people just don't change.
11:51 < BrandonW> Especially if your name is Kevin.
11:51 < incubus> lol?
11:52 < al_b> it's like Days of Our Lives; Calculation Edition
11:52 < _Digital> oh hell no
11:52 < incubus> lol
11:52 < BrandonW> Hey incubus, did you see http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5193/dualboot.jpg ?
11:52 < BrandonW> It doesn't actually receive and write it successfully yet, but...
11:52 < BrandonW> Progress.
11:53 < BrandonW> It'll patch the TI-OS to add a key combination on boot to switch back to OS2.
11:53 < incubus> nicne!
11:53 < incubus> nice*
11:53 < incubus> can you really do a duel boot?!
11:53 < BrandonW> Yes.
11:53 < BrandonW> It's going to take 30 seconds to a minute to do the switch, but to be all oncalc, that's the price you pay.
11:54 < incubus> When you write to Flash ROM, everything will stay?
11:54 < BrandonW> Yes.
11:54 < incubus> basic question but hadn't bumped into that subject
11:55 < incubus> BrandonW, will it stay in FR without batteries? or does that clear it all except for specific pages?
11:55 < BrandonW> I don't intend for this OS to grow beyond six pages, at least not while it's still in the pretty-much-useless phase, and there's enough unused Flash to pull this off.
11:55 < BrandonW> Flash will always be there, batteries or no.
11:55 < incubus> good
12:04 < BrandonW> No guarantees at all on RAM.
12:04 < BrandonW> In fact, the TI-OS refresh it from time to time.
12:04 < BrandonW> Read from it, write to it.
12:04 < BrandonW> It might be every time you turn it on.
12:04 < BrandonW> Or from APD.
12:04 < BrandonW> refreshes*
12:05 < BrandonW> I frorget.
12:05 < BrandonW> forget.*
12:05 < BrandonW> And can't type.
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12:10 < incubus> noted.
12:16 < BrandonW> It's been a productive night...I got silent linking working, OS receiving, screenshot requests, and set up the framework for dual booting.
12:17 < BrandonW> I'll be able to release alphas of this before you know it.
12:17 < BrandonW> Now I crash.
12:17 < incubus> adios amigo
12:18 < incubus> btw BrandonW, this has to be the most this channel has talked about calcs in a few weeks at leats
12:19 < BrandonW> Yeah, thank you.
12:19 < BrandonW> It's because of you.
12:19 < incubus> :D
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13:14 <@efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin.
13:14 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o _Auron_] by efneTI86
13:17 < incubus> _Auron_!
13:17 <@_Auron_> incubus!
13:17 < incubus> how is stroids
13:17 <@_Auron_> 3,039 lines of code
13:18 < incubus> how many lines of quality code
13:18 < incubus> QC
13:18 <@_Auron_> quit counting
13:18 <@_Auron_> ?
13:18 <@_Auron_> I'd say most of it is quality code.
13:18 < incubus> quality code
13:18 < incubus> nice
13:33 < Merth|G1> most if what I've seen has been quality
13:33 < Merth|G1> of*
13:34 <@_Auron_> Merth|G1: How should I approach coding in the player's death?
13:34 < incubus> massive explosion in terms of behavior
13:35 < BMerth_J> with clocks?
13:35 <@_Auron_> clocks?
13:36 < incubus> they tell time
13:37 <@_Auron_> ....
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13:45 < Merth|G1> auron what do you mean?
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13:46 < incubus> lol
13:47 <@_Auron_> Merth|G1: Enemy touches player, player dies/explodes. How is the gamstate affected, where is the code to do this, etc?
13:47 <@_Auron_> I think I might've figured it out though.
13:47 <@E-J> !qfind mushroom
13:47 <@efneTI86> 1188:chronomex: <Netham45> "Dancing man wearing a horse mask cooks wild mushrooms." | <Netham45> speng0 | <Netham45> the fact you find this shit scares me. | <Speng0> it scares me too to be honest
13:48 <@efneTI86> 1227:Andy_J: <@Nikky> stop hilighting me | <@Andy_J> Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky [...] Nikky | <@benryves> Mushroom MUSHROOM. | <@Nikky> Die
13:48 <@efneTI86> (All of 2 matches)
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13:49 <@_Auron_> !qsay
13:49 <@_Auron_> !q
13:49 <@efneTI86> 1328: <Sir_Lewk> my brother left the room because the volleyball olympic chicks weren't wearing enough xD [Added: Merthsoft at 2008/08/18 21:17]
14:09 < ports> yay high school musical 3
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14:16 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] The pycho has entered the channel.  Sound the alarms.
14:18 < Randomist> Which is the best Windows version to run in virtualization?
14:18 < ports> xp
14:22 < incubus> ports, you're kidding about HSM 3 right?
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14:51 < ports> incubus, not exactly
14:52 < ports> the download just finished.. my sisters been wanting to watch it so i downloaded it and put it on the xbox for later
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14:55 < ports> im watching paul blart mall cop now
14:56 <@_Auron_> mall cop is a fucking piece of shit for a movie
14:58 < ports> auron why u h8?
14:59 < ports> hes molesting the old guy when hes drunk
15:04 <@_Auron_> ..
15:04 < ports> lochness monster tattoo
15:05 <@E-J> http://www.vartti.fi/vartti/serve/binary?id=f61ed2c7-ab24-426f-9798-8feb91027e5e&width=465&height=600&crop=false
15:07 <@E-J> that's near here
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16:03 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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16:14 <@_Auron_> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1249228165055.gif
16:15 <@Nikky> We love you _Auron_ 
16:15 <@Nikky> oh yes we do
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16:26 < iAndy_J> Were in a restaurant omnomnommik
16:27 < ports> are you on your iphone?
16:29 < i_c-Y> lol iphone
16:29 < i_c-Y> lemme guess
16:29 < i_c-Y> the restaurant is starbucks.
16:29 < iAndy_J> Los habaneros
16:29 < i_c-Y> congregation point of all iphone users.
16:30 < ports> is starbucks considered a restaurant?
16:30 < iAndy_J> With merth and bsparks 
16:30 < i_c-Y> i can't believe youd associate with those losers
16:30 < i_c-Y> ports: iff you have an iphone
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16:31 < ports> because starbucks doesn't really have anything a truck stop doesn't... they both have premade salads, sandwiches, coffee, juice/water bottles...
16:31 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by Remius
16:31 <+krisk> <3
16:31 < ports> and the truck stop is more useful because it'll sell you cheap/noname electronics
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16:37 < leofox> truck stop electronics are useless
16:37 < ports> leofox, yes they are but who can resist a 19" lcd tv for $29.99 made by Habachi
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16:38 <+krisk> leofox
16:39 < leofox> hey krisk
16:39 <+krisk> hi
16:39 <+krisk> alles goed?
16:39 < leofox> ports I already have a TV :P
16:39 < leofox> krisk misselijk van gister
16:39 < ports> leofox, i was joking
16:39 <+krisk> oei
16:39 < leofox> duinfeestje
16:39 <+krisk> cool
16:39 <+krisk> i didnt know there were duinen there
16:39 < leofox> ik kwam daar aan om vier uur, ik had de hele dag niks gegeten behalve een tosti en een perenijsje
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16:39 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] The pycho has entered the channel.  Sound the alarms.
16:39 < leofox> nee ik was naar de haag
16:39 <+krisk> oei
16:39 <+krisk> ah
16:39 <+krisk> vet
16:39 < leofox> nou ja dus ik had vet honger
16:40 < leofox> dus ging ik bier drinken
16:40 < leofox> en daarna ging ik whiskey drinken
16:40 <+krisk> vorige week was er een groot goa feest op het strand in den haag
16:40 < leofox> nog voor het avondeten moest ik kotsen :(
16:40 <+krisk> doh
16:40 <+krisk> beetje rustig aan doen jongen
16:40 < leofox> ja
16:40 < leofox> het was op een nuchtere maag he
16:40 < leofox> dan gaat het fout
16:40 <+krisk> ja maar ik bedoel ook beetje voor jezelf zorgen he :)
16:41 <+krisk> goed eten en niet te veel drinken
16:41 < leofox> yeh :P
16:41 <+krisk> :)
16:41  * Randomist wonders if he walked into #tcpa-du.
16:41 <+krisk> yes
16:41 < leofox> #tcpa-nl
16:42 < leofox> i think TCPA in dutch would be DURP
16:42 <+krisk> http://shut-up-and-dance.nl/
16:42 < leofox> De Unie van Rekenmachine Programmeurs
16:42 <+krisk> haha
16:43 < j-b-r> rekenmachine? that is calculators?
16:44 < j-b-r> Sounds like something scary... I'm going to come after you with my rekenmachine!
16:44 <+krisk> je moeder is scary
16:46 < Randomist> Sounds like calculators on über-steroids.
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16:48 < leofox> reken = calculate
16:48 < leofox> machine = machine
16:50 < i_c-Y> i could see someone murdering someone with something called a rekenmachine
16:50 < i_c-Y> in like a jap videogame
16:50 < ports> lol
16:50 < ports> ninja gaiden
16:51 < i_c-Y> though i could see BrandonW bludgeoning someone to death with a TI NSpire.
16:51 < Randomist> With a TI what?
16:51 < ports> Randomist, inspire
16:52 < i_c-Y> Nspire or whatever it is
16:52 < i_c-Y> or is it nSpire?
16:52 < ports> Nspire 
16:53 < Randomist> I'm suprprised he does not have "nSpire" and "NSpire" on his highlight list so he can rage at everyone who gets it wrong.  :P
16:54 < ports> lol
16:54 < ports> he does.
16:54 < ports> but hes not at the computer right now.. according to jr19, BW is at his job right now bagging groceries
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17:03 < ports> cup check
17:04 < ports> my dads friend is a nice guy.. but hes one of those people that forwards you tons of email
17:06 < i_c-Y> i usually set a filter to send those people's emails to the trash
17:06 < i_c-Y> and then if they call me about an email ill say sorry didn't get it
17:06 < i_c-Y> and then look through the trash when they resend it.
17:07 < ports> ll
17:07 < ports> lol
17:07 < ports> he sometimes sends useful things.. like when he sent me the IDOT fee schedule for speeding on construction zones.. they updated it in July..
17:07 < ports> but today.. i get this "ironic definitions" email thats just full of garbage
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17:11 < Phoenix_1> Hello
17:11 < i_c-Y> hi
17:12 <@Nikky> hi
17:13 < i_c-Y> hello @Nikky
17:13 < Phoenix_1> i have a question about updating the os of the ti83+
17:13 < Phoenix_1> can i destroy the os when i lose the connection to the ti83+ when i flash the eprom
17:13 <@Nikky> probably
17:14 <@Nikky> It won't like you very much
17:14 < i_c-Y> BrandonW is our resident destroyer of calculators
17:15 < leofox> Phoenix_1: it will probably fail, but if it does you can just try again
17:15 < leofox> it will go into the "send calculator OS now"  state
17:15 < sir_lewk> I've done it before, nothing terribly catastrophic
17:16 < Phoenix_1> @leofox thx
17:16 < Phoenix_1> its not like a fail bios update 
17:16 < Phoenix_1> should i update the os 1.14 to 1.19? any advantage?
17:16 < sir_lewk> yeah, you just need to resend
17:16 < Tari> you can't break anything when sending an OS
17:16 < Tari> it doesn't attempt to write to the certificate during that phase, and the boot code is never writable
17:16 < sir_lewk> dunno, you'd probably have to ask BrandonW there, I can't imagine it's anything terribly interesting
17:17 -!- _Auron_ changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to the #TCPA | The official TI-OS cryptographic signing key has been confirmed cracked! | Stroids is nearly done.
17:17 < sir_lewk> nice
17:17 < i_c-Y> !t Welcome to the #TCPA
17:17 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to the #TCPA
17:17 < sir_lewk> :/
17:17 < sir_lewk> at least mention the cracked keys
17:17 < BMerth_J> /:
17:18 < Randomist> !t Welcome to the #TCPA | The official TI-OS cryptographic signing key has been confirmed cracked!
17:18 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to the #TCPA | The official TI-OS cryptographic signing key has been confirmed cracked!
17:18 < BMerth_J> !t Welcome to a #tcpa 
17:18 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to a #tcpa 
17:18  * Randomist facepalms.
17:18 < i_c-Y> !t Welcome to the #TCPA | Stop fucking around with the topic or else....
17:18 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to the #TCPA | Stop fucking around with the topic or else....
17:18 < BMerth_J> n ou
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17:18 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o BMerth_J] by efneTI86
17:18 <@BMerth_J> NO YOU
17:18 -!- BMerth_J changed the topic of #tcpa to: NO YOUWelcome to the #TCPA | The official TI-OS cryptographic signing key has been confirmed cracked!
17:18 -!- BMerth_J changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to the #TCPA | The official TI-OS cryptographic signing key has been confirmed cracked!
17:18 -!- BMerth_J changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to the #TCPA | The official TI-OS cryptographic signing key has been confirmed cracked!
17:18 <@BMerth_J> ok I'm done
17:18 <@BMerth_J> laggy lag is lag
17:19 < Randomist> ...gy.
17:19 < sir_lewk> die all yall
17:19 < leofox> wtf is this faggotry
17:19 < Randomist> Topwars.
17:19 < i_c-Y> fuck these goldfish are salty
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17:20 <@Andy_J> they left :(
17:20 < sir_lewk> oooh, someone should make a Core Wars simulator for a calc
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17:20 <@efneTI92> [_Auron|G1] We called it Sin.
17:20 -!- mode/#tcpa [-o Andy_J] by Andy_J
17:20 < i_c-Y> not you again.
17:20 < Andy_J> yes me again
17:20 < Andy_J> and just me again
17:21 < Andy_J> and now I'm going back to lurking since they're gone
17:21 < ports> Nikky, youre back?
17:23 < sir_lewk> where was he?
17:25 < Randomist> Vacation.
17:26 < sir_lewk> aww
17:26 < sir_lewk> my family went on vacation last week but I had classes :/
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17:35 <+krisk> how do you select items in a dvd menu in media player classic?
17:36 < i_c-Y> click on em
17:36 <+krisk> nothing happens
17:36 < i_c-Y> use vlc instead.
17:36 <+krisk> but vlc sucks
17:37 < i_c-Y> so do you, so it works out
17:37 <+krisk> no it needs to be balanced by a nonsucking media player
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17:37 < i_c-Y> nuh uh
17:38 < i_c-Y> eventually it'll just increase the magnitude of suckitude that you'll be eliminated from this planet.
17:38 < i_c-Y> and all will be well.
17:38 <+krisk> im trying to read the manual but windows help reader thing crashes
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17:50 <@Nikky> ooooo
17:52 <+krisk> hmm alt+space apparently
17:53 < Randomist> I thought [Alt]-[Space] is the window menu key?
17:53 <@_Auron_> it is.
17:53 <+krisk> the wat
17:53 <@_Auron_> krisk: same as clicking on the icon in the topleft of a window
17:54 <+krisk> oh right
17:54 < KermEEE> yup
17:54 <+krisk> it was being intercepted by launchy
17:54 <@Nikky> haha, launchy
17:54 <@Nikky> gnome-do is far superior
17:54 <+krisk> but doesnt really work very well on windows now does it
17:54 < Randomist> Nikky:  Except he's on Windows.
17:54 <@Nikky> Well, that's his own problem, now isn't it.
17:55 <+krisk> because linux is better
17:55 <@_Auron_> I'm tempted to bring my monitor downstairs so I can code while watching true blood
17:55 <@Nikky> It is.
17:55 <@Nikky> code on our phone, _Auron_ 
17:55 < i_c-Y> luckily i don't need launchy because i have windows vista's start menu searhc
17:55 < Randomist> Windows is okay.  Linux is okay.
17:55 < Randomist> Mac is...
17:55 <+krisk> no
17:56 <+krisk> ironically i never use launchy
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17:58 < Randomist> Bah, I've got to go resize swap.
17:59 <+krisk> haha
17:59 < Randomist> Virtual machine Windows wants more.
17:59 <+krisk> isnt it easyer to jsut add ram
17:59 < Randomist> I have four gigs.
17:59 <+krisk> woah
17:59 < Randomist> But I am allotting one and a half to the virtual machine.
17:59 <+krisk> well then you clearly dont need more memory
17:59 <+krisk> oh wait
18:00 < Randomist> And I have system limits set on how much apps can request max (Amount of RAM plus amount of swap divided by two).
18:01 < KermEEE> krisk: if you tap alt, tap space, you can bring up the app menu without launchy interfering
18:01 < KermEEE> launchy is epic win, by the way, i_c-Y, whatever you say about Vista's fail menu
18:01 <+krisk> launchy would be better if apps had their binaries seperated better
18:02 < KermEEE> this is true
18:02 <+krisk> and i wasnt trying to get the app menu
18:02 <+krisk> i was trying to seelct a dvd menu option in media player classic
18:11 <@Nikky> vista sucks
18:11 <@Nikky> anyone who uses it is a retard
18:12 <+krisk> clearly
18:13 < i_c-Y> Nikky <3's the vista
18:15 < j-b-r> vista's fail menu is slow, but it works
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18:20 <@efneTI92> [Storm|wrk] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
18:22 < Randomist> Nikky:  What about the people who got a computer with Vista-only hardware on Windows-side?
18:22 <@Nikky> Their own fault?
18:22 <+krisk> hehe vistaonly hardware
18:23 < Randomist> Mine is like that because no one wants to make XP drivers.
18:23 <+krisk> what about win7
18:24 < Randomist> Vista drivers should work there, but I haven't tried it.  Only one component actually has a Windows Seven driver.
18:24 < Randomist> And maybe the touchpad and O2 port.
18:25 < Randomist> Ironically, everything just works on Linux.
18:26 < j-b-r> That's not ironic, that's how linux works
18:26 < j-b-r> It either works out of the box, or you are most likely screwed
18:27 < Randomist> Or you have to perform a ritual-sacrifice to some ancient deity in order to get it to work.
18:35 <@Nikky> No, that's gentoo
18:35 < i_c-Y> linux sucks
18:36 < i_c-Y> Nikky sucks
18:36 <@Nikky> Have fun with Micro$oft Vi$ta, from Wa$hington.
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18:37 < Andy_J> why hello there mr koffler
18:38 <@Nikky> I was hoping someone would pick up on that. :)
18:39 < Andy_J> bah, boring here with bsparks and merth gone
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18:40 < i_c-Y> well id think they're boring people
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18:47 <@Nikky> Where is merthsoft?
18:48 < Randomist> Gone.
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18:49 < Randomist> By "gone," I mean taking over the world with his robots.
18:49 < Randomist> But I'm not supposed to tell you that part.
18:49 <@Nikky> hell yeah
18:50 < i_c-Y> well, i hope his robots run linux
18:50 < i_c-Y> cause if they do
18:50 <+krisk> brb fucking robots in my front lawn
18:50 < i_c-Y> they aren't doing shit if merthsoft is behind them.
18:50 < Andy_J> Nikky: driving back to cololbus
18:50 <@Nikky> oh
18:50 <@Nikky> :(
18:50 <@Nikky> Wait
18:50 <@Nikky> did you meet up with him
18:50 <@Nikky> ?
18:50 < Andy_J> he picked up bsparks and they came up here yesterday
18:50 < Andy_J> and left an hour and a half ago
18:52 < Storm|wrk> i_c-Y: I ordered my XPS last night
18:52 < i_c-Y> specs
18:52 < Storm|wrk> thanks for the help 
18:52 < Andy_J> twas fun
18:52 < i_c-Y> np
18:53 < Storm|wrk> I went with the 2.53Ghz C2D, HD4670, 500GB 7200RPM HDD, 4GB Ram, 16" 1920x1080 Monitor.
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18:53 < i_c-Y> what warranty?
18:53 < Storm|wrk> s/Monitor/LCD
18:53 < Storm|wrk> 2yr
18:53 < i_c-Y> not bad.
18:53 < i_c-Y> studio xps 16?
18:53 < Storm|wrk> yeah
18:54  * Randomist has been really interested in how the brain works these past few days.
18:54 < Tari> BRRRAIINS
18:54 < Storm|wrk> I wanted a smaller screen but the 1920x1080 wasn't available on a smaller one.
18:54 < Storm|wrk> I also got the internal Intel 5300 A/B/G/N wifi and Bluetooth
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18:55 < i_c-Y> i dont really see why you upgraded the cpu so much
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18:56 < Storm|wrk> it was $50 to go from 2.4 to 2.53 I figured it was worth it
18:56 < Storm|wrk> its not like I went to the 2.66Ghz one
18:58 < i_c-Y> you'll probably want to download an anytime upgrade disc or something to reinstlal windows 
18:58 < Storm|wrk> yeah
19:00 < i_c-Y> but still, not bad
19:00 < i_c-Y> how much does the system weigh?
19:01 < i_c-Y> 6.4 lbs
19:07 < Storm|wrk> Let me check
19:10 < Storm|wrk> yeah 6.4
19:10 < Storm|wrk> I wanted something a little smaller but this is about as close as I think I'll get to my dream laptop :P
19:12 < Storm|wrk> I'll just need to get an Wireless N router for at home now :P
19:14 < Storm|wrk> It comes with a free Windows 7 upgrade license so I'm set there.
19:15 < i_c-Y> wireless N is pretty pointless at this time anyway
19:16 < Storm|wrk> true
19:17 < Storm|wrk> and since most of the wireless N routers still only have 10/100 ports they can't use its full speed anyway.
19:19 <+krisk> so get one that does
19:19 <+krisk> its not like theres any reason not to
19:20 < i_c-Y> if you already have a decent G router at home, why upgrade?
19:20 <@Nikky> why
19:20 <+krisk> POWERRRRRRR
19:21 <@Nikky> WHY
19:21 <+krisk> need or desires
19:21 < i_c-Y> unless if you have some high bw transfers inside the house, which Storm|wrk probably doesnt do, ones that would benefit from this.
19:22 < i_c-Y> i think ill play FF7 again.
19:22 <+krisk> i think reception and stability are more important anyway
19:23 < i_c-Y> and you'll get better of those with a good G router than most N routers.
19:23 <+krisk> really? the boxes say otherwise :P
19:23 < i_c-Y> esp when you constrain cost.
19:23 < i_c-Y> a lot of N routers handle b,g clients poorly for some reason.
19:24 <+krisk> hmm
19:25 < j-b-r> I recently got a fancy new router that isn't N
19:25 < j-b-r> It works great...
19:25 <+krisk> > $100 fancy?
19:25 < j-b-r> $120 I think
19:26 <+krisk> oh hm
19:26 < j-b-r> Dlink somethingsomething 610 or something like that
19:26 <+krisk> ah
19:27 < j-b-r> It has some nice features, and now the rest of the internet isn't slow as hell when I am seeding a lot, thanks to traffic prioritizing
19:27 <+krisk> thats nice
19:27 < Storm|wrk> but you can do that with any cheap G router that supports alternate firmwares
19:28 < j-b-r> Mmm... yeah, I suppose
19:29 < j-b-r> But I did some research and this one was supposed to be the best hardware wise too
19:29 < Storm|wrk> In fact I do it with my WRT54GS and my TorrentFLux server
19:29 < Andy_J> if you don't have .11a, then .11n is worth it
19:29 <+krisk> you wouldnt want anything better for home use
19:29 < Andy_J> simply because 5 GHz > 2.4 GHz
19:31 < Randomist> <Freenode/#ubuntu> is that faster? </Freenode/#ubuntu>
19:31 < Storm|wrk> yeah since I have a few bluetooth devices in the area it would be worth it if I had more .11a devices
19:31 < Andy_J> or an apartment building with an oversaturation
19:31 < Andy_J> and microwaves
19:31 < Andy_J> or s/apartment building/dorm/ as the case may be
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19:32 < Storm|wrk> I live in the burbs and I'll be commuting to school so that won't be an issue there
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19:32 < Andy_J> I run my main on .11n/5GHz only, and an alternate access point on .11g for the one thing I have that doesn't support it (or for friends visiting)
19:33 < Storm|wrk> Yeah I also have my wrk54g that I haven't done anything with, but due to its craptastic marvell chip-set there isn't much I can do with it
19:34 < Andy_J> the main reason for the .11g access point is that I needed a swith in that room >_>
19:34 < Andy_J> *switch
19:34 < Andy_J> and for the record, time capsule has 3 or 4 (depending on if you need it to route) gig-e ports
19:36 < Storm|wrk> I need to get a gigabit card for my home server, or maybe two and then bridge them.
19:37 < i_c-Y> its also, what, 300 dollars?
19:37 < Storm|wrk> my home server?
19:37 < i_c-Y> time capsule
19:37 < i_c-Y> nobody cares about your home server
19:38 < Storm|wrk> lol
19:38 < Storm|wrk> thats ture
19:38 < Storm|wrk> true*
19:40 < Randomist> OMG, with Windows XP, my computer will be more faster and reliable, the Internets will be fast and safe, and I can be creative on my laptop, because it's great for notebook computers!
19:40 < bsparks> well that was fun
19:40 < Storm|wrk> lol Randomist 
19:42 < bsparks> Andy_J's house spoiled me, LCDs for everything, I forgot how craptacular my CRT is
19:43 < Storm|wrk> lol, I still use a CRT with my desktop sometimes
19:43 < Randomist> CRTs are good for when you need to know that a color is really a color.
19:44 < i_c-Y> color reproduction is goo don some LCD's
19:44 < Andy_J> y helo thar bsparks 
19:44 <+krisk> haha crt is good
19:44 < i_c-Y> ie. pantone color is on some LCD's
19:44 < bsparks> 'lo Mr Janata
19:44 < i_c-Y> and IPS panels give way better color and stuff than TN
19:44 < i_c-Y> apple cinema is good too
19:44 < i_c-Y> but its expensive as fuck
19:45 < Andy_J> yeah, $300, but it's worth it
19:45 < i_c-Y> not worth it for me
19:45 < Andy_J> back when I got it it was a lot more worth it
19:45 < Andy_J> now that they bumped the drive sizes it's worth it again
19:45 < Andy_J> IMO
19:45 <+krisk> LCD technology is quite capable of perfectly reproducing colour
19:46 <+krisk> see: medical applications
19:47 < bsparks> Andy_J, dude, tonight is going to suck balls >(
19:47 < i_c-Y> well for medical apps usually theres some sort of unambigious presentation of the data , disregarding accurate reproduction of the color anyway.
19:47 < Randomist> My craptop's panel is crap, because when I am cleaning up artwork and photos, then I go an look on a CRT, and I can see things that never showed up on the panel.
19:47 < i_c-Y> bsparks: gay men do tend to suck balls i think.
19:48 < i_c-Y> hm
19:48 < i_c-Y> i wish my computer could play devil may cry 4
19:48 < Randomist> I wish mine could get Cryostasis.
19:49 < Tari> hehe, russian developers
19:49 < i_c-Y> cryostasis?
19:49 < Tari> they like their instability and survival horror
19:49 < Storm|wrk> :/ BrandonW was right WM6.5 is crap
19:49 < i_c-Y> well so are you, so it works out.
19:49 < i_c-Y> i also want to play the witcher
19:49 < i_c-Y> (polish game)
19:49 < bsparks> gah, my battery just went down a bar on my phone :o
19:49 <+krisk> how is WM6.5 crap?
19:49 < Andy_J> lol
19:50 < Randomist> I liked Penumbra, so I got Cryostasis and Call of the Cthulu, and the former was slooooooooooooooow.
19:50 < Andy_J> its wm
19:50 <+krisk> penumbra is cool
19:50 < Andy_J> so auto-crap
19:50 < Storm|wrk> I want to stab my phone in the face, it loks jsut terrible and the UI is more useless than the iPhone
19:50 <+krisk> wm > *
19:50 < Randomist> But the latter was very fast, and the graphics were suprisingly realistic for my crap IGP.
19:50 < i_c-Y> well, we can ignore Andy_J 's opinion because he's a mac user and iphone owner
19:50 < Storm|wrk> I agree with kirsk there but WM6.5 is just not looking good so far
19:51 < Andy_J> who used wm for 2.5 years\
19:51 < i_c-Y> Randomist: did you try these on windows with the laptop plugged in?
19:51 < bsparks> Hmm, I can't say I missed the fucktardery in here at all
19:51 < Randomist> i_c-Y:  Yes, they were on Windows.
19:51 < Andy_J> bsparks: yarly
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19:51 < Randomist> And the laptop was in performance mode.
19:51 < Andy_J> back to lurking for me
19:51 < Randomist> (I.E., 80-degrees-C-mode.)  :P
19:51 <@_Auron_> I'm starting to think a minute is too short of gameplay time for the trial version of Stroids.
19:51 < Tari> yes
19:52 < Randomist> It's sad that my CPU exaust can melt bottles.
19:52 < Storm|wrk> Ahh there we go I got the home screen back to looking normal and now its all good
19:53 < i_c-Y> Randomist: srsly?
19:53 < ports> hrmm
19:53 < ports> wheres bsparks
19:53 < Storm|wrk> Randomist: My Craptop started to melt when I was compiling a kernel so :P
19:53 < ports> did i ever get him to install the sex offender itouch app?
19:53 < bsparks> ports, I'm not going to
19:54 < Storm|wrk> and it was the the chipset not the CPU too, the cpu was a 'cool' 75C 
19:54 < ports> bsparks, scared?
19:55 < bsparks> ports, no, I don't want to waste space
19:55 < ports> heh
19:55 < i_c-Y> but what if theres a sex offender around, bsparks ?
19:55 < i_c-Y> WHAT WILL YOU DO?
19:56 < i_c-Y> who you gonna call?
19:56 < bsparks> I own a baseball bat
19:56 < ports> i_c-Y, no.. what if there is 12 around him :P
19:56 < sir_lewk> buttrape-busters?
19:56 < i_c-Y> plus nobody would want to molest you anyway
19:57 < sir_lewk> lol
19:58 < bsparks> fine by me
19:58 < i_c-Y> http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=1482833
19:58 < Randomist> "My, you're looking quite sexy there."  *Pulls out iPod Touch.*  "I have lost interest.  *Walks away.*"
19:58 < i_c-Y> anyhow, she was asking for it
19:59 <+krisk> do you ahve copy and paste yet?
19:59 < i_c-Y> is the proper response
19:59 < sir_lewk> lol copy paste
19:59 < sir_lewk> that's so 80s
19:59 <+krisk> and yet it was sooo missing
20:00 < i_c-Y> i don't know why i've been so nice to people lately
20:00 < sir_lewk> you're just a naturally nice guy
20:01 < Randomist> sir_lewk:  Impossible!
20:04 < ports> lol
20:04 < ports> i_c-Y, thanks
20:06 < sir_lewk> http://www.thesecretknots.com/2009/04/27/music-and-pie/ <== awesome
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20:09 < ports> mm
20:10 < ports> id like to have cellular broadband for my laptop.. but its so expensive
20:14 <+krisk> yeah
20:14 <+krisk> sux
20:14 < ports> 60/mo for 5gb
20:14 < ports> id consider it if it was $60 for unlimited
20:15 < ports> i probably have 10-15gb/month for legitimate traffic in a month.. things like youtube, hulu, internet radio
20:15 < i_c-Y> porn
20:15 < Randomist> Damn, it takes ten minutes just to install Start Menu shortcuts.  >.>
20:17 < ports> http://www.chronoshark.com/?PMC=DN1  - thats a cool looking watch
20:18  * Randomist wants to learn how to concsiouly go back and fourth from left- to right-brain thinking.
20:18 < ports> Randomist, whats that mean
20:18 <+krisk> wat
20:19 <+krisk> what would it even do?
20:19 < Randomist> For the times I need to "idle out there" to come up with an idea for something.
20:19 < ports> krisk, the watch?
20:20 <+krisk> no im wondering what randomist thinks left vs right brain thinking does
20:20 < ports> oh
20:20 < ports> wow hes reall beating that woman up
20:20 <+krisk> porn?
20:21 < ports> no.. some show just came on.. "What comes around"
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20:21 < ports> this woman walks into a dark apartment.. this guy beats her up, knocks her out, and throws her body over a balcony..
20:22 <+krisk> sounds like an average saturday night
20:22 < ports> for you?
20:22 <+krisk> for women
20:22 < Randomist> I beleive rap music artists refer to these women as "throw-aways."
20:22 < ports> i think she was a cop
20:22 < ports> theyre doing a flash back scene now.. "11 years earlier"
20:24 < i_c-Y> bitch had it comming
20:25 < ports> i think so
20:25 < ports> it looks like she set up a guy for a prostitution bust
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20:30 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
20:32 < Storm|wrk> 0.o the new version of IE Mobile is pretty Hawt
20:37 <+krisk> live content?
20:39 < Randomist> Mobile exploits?
20:40 < bsparks> heh
20:40 < bsparks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3ZYF-Zmo2E&feature=channel_page
20:40 < Storm|wrk> kirsk it doesn't look like shit and it uses the whole screen similarly to Opera, and is faster than Opera Mobile or the Old IE
20:44 <+krisk> ok?
20:44 < Storm|wrk> the using the whole screen and not looking like shit thing is nice, plus unlike Opera it opens fast.
20:45 < leofox> haha lazer
20:45 < leofox> ima charging it
20:45 <+krisk> the hell is this?
20:46 < Storm|wrk> Hey Randomist have you gotten 3D working with your ati card and 2.6.31?
20:46 < Randomist> krisk:  The hell, this is.
20:47 < Randomist> Storm|wrk:  I think there is a patch for that, and I was using the leaked driver for 2.6.30, which works fine if you work out the Flash-does-not-like-it issue.
20:48 < Storm|wrk> So your using catlyst then?
20:48 < Randomist> I need Flash (Internet Archive  >.<), so I'm on the open driver.
20:48 < Storm|wrk> but you have working 3d then?
20:49 < leofox> ahahaha
20:49 < Randomist> Right now, I don't need 3D for anything, so I'm doing without the 3D acceletation, but it works fine in the [leaked] driver.
20:50 < Storm|wrk> hmm ok so once 2.6.31 is out it'll be good.
20:51 < Randomist> BTW, GLX Gears gives ~220 FPS with the open driver on my AMD/ATi Radeon 3100.
20:51 < i_c-Y> glxgears is worthless
20:51 < Storm|wrk> but is that using your CPU or your GPU?
20:51 < Randomist> GPU.
20:51 < Barrett> so... this guy said "my beast of a computer... probably the most powerful computer in the state of Utah" and then went on to give some specs
20:51 < Barrett> "core 2 duo something 2.5GHz"
20:52 < Barrett> "9800 GX2"
20:52 < Randomist> Maybe a bit of both.
20:52 < Barrett> "1 TB hard drive"
20:52 < i_c-Y> tell him to suck down both your nehalems
20:52 < i_c-Y> you have one dual nehalem box right?
20:52 < Barrett> not yet
20:52 < Barrett> but all of my computers have better processors than that
20:52 < Storm|wrk> Randomist: hmm I just hope it'll work with R600 cards:/
20:52 < Barrett> even my 2 year old desktop has a Q6600
20:53 < i_c-Y> it depends on what you want to do
20:53 < i_c-Y> though
20:53 < Barrett> right
20:53 < Barrett> on a single or 2 threads his is 100 MHz faster
20:53 < i_c-Y> dont discount microarchitecture improvements and what not.
20:53 < i_c-Y> and amount of cache
20:54 < i_c-Y> its not just 100 mhz+.
20:54 < Barrett> but anyway
20:54 < Barrett> "in the state of utah"
20:54 < Randomist> [I bet] It will probably not be until 2.6.34 when you're actually able to, say, play games and whatnot with R600/700 and the open driver.
20:54 < Storm|wrk> :/ darn
20:54 <+krisk> people who call their setup beastly should be shot anyway
20:54 < Barrett> in the coming months I'm gonna build an i7 machine
20:54 <+krisk> its just a matter of how much money you can or are willing to throw at it
20:55 < Barrett> with SATA and USB 3
20:55 < Barrett> when boards come out with them
20:55 <+krisk> at what cost?
20:55 < i_c-Y> not going i9 when it comes out?
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20:55 < i_c-Y> his life
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20:55 < Storm|wrk> that means I'll be installing catalyst on my Desktop and my new Laptop, that is if I put linux on my laptop, I'm not sure if I will or not yet.
20:55 < Randomist> There is some guy that has a desktop system with eight CPUs.
20:55 < Barrett> never heard of i9
20:55 < Barrett> same socket?
20:55 < i_c-Y> look up gulftown
20:55 < Barrett> as i7
20:55 < Randomist> And I forgot his drive specs.
20:56 < Randomist> What do you do with eight CPUs on a desktop?  :p
20:56 < i_c-Y> yes, LGA 1366
20:56 < Barrett> 32 nm :)
20:56 < i_c-Y> 6 cores, hyperthreading
20:57 < Barrett> is that with 2 disabled or is it naturally 6?
20:58 < i_c-Y> it migth just be 6 naturally
20:58 < i_c-Y> dont know yet
20:58 < i_c-Y> i think its 6 on one die though
20:58 < Barrett> yeah, intel seems to be moving in the 1 die direction
20:59 < Storm|wrk> AMD is just not looking to hot at the moment are they.
20:59 <+krisk> HT != cores
20:59 < Barrett> not for the past couple of years... but they're competing with mainstream consumers (price)
21:00 < Barrett> krisk ? did anyone suggest otherwise?
21:00 <+krisk> just saying in case anyone thinks <i_c-Y> 6 cores, hyperthreading imples that
21:00 < Randomist> Storm|wrk:  And, by the time they support 2.6.30, -.32 will come out.  :P
21:00 < Barrett> right... 6 cores, 12 threads
21:00 <+krisk> ok right
21:00 < Randomist> Then a new X will come out later, and everything will break.
21:01 < i_c-Y> krisk: 6 cores, 12 threads dumbass.
21:01 < Storm|wrk> Randomist: that's what worries me
21:01 < Barrett> there was a nehalem processor being developed for multi-socket servers with 8 cores... I wonder how that's coming along
21:01 < Barrett> like... becktown or something
21:01 < Barrett> new socket, though
21:01 < Barrett> beckton*
21:02 < Barrett> yep
21:02 < Barrett> Q1 next year
21:02 < Barrett> :)
21:03 <+krisk> i was going to say in b4 i_c-Y insulting me
21:04 < Storm|wrk> PPCKitchen FTW :)
21:13 < ports> internet streaming video sucks
21:16 < Randomist> How good/bad is XP64?
21:16 < Randomist> I have to use 64-bit on 64-bit or else SMP is going to be sloooooooow.
21:17 < Randomist> Because I have an AMD CPU.  >.<
21:19 < leofox> Randomist i've heard support fro drivers is bad
21:19 < _Auron|G1> buggy
21:19 <+krisk> was bad
21:19 <+krisk> just about everything has 64bit drivers now
21:20 <+krisk> it was the same with 64bit linux when it was new
21:20 <+krisk> drivers sucked but now years have passed and all is well in the world
21:20 < Storm|wrk> kirsk but most 64bit vista drivers won't work with 64bt xp
21:20 <+krisk> so
21:20 < Storm|wrk> there aren't many 64bit XP drivers
21:20 <+krisk> although you can have bad luck of course
21:20 <+krisk> but uhm you could simply research the drivers beforehand?
21:21 < Randomist> It's in a virtual machine.
21:21 < Randomist> So I don't think I have to worry about that part.
21:21 <+krisk> good
21:21 <+krisk> then i'd say its golden
21:21 <+krisk> but do you give it enough ram to need 64bit?
21:22 < Storm|wrk> then yeah go for it
21:22 < Storm|wrk> krisk its more the speed of 64bit he needs
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21:23 <+krisk> ..speed?
21:23 < ports> my phone got rapd
21:23 < ports> raped
21:23 < i_c-Y> <Randomist> How good/bad is XP64? < terrible. Vista64 is far better.
21:24 <+krisk> http://www.lsdinternational.com/
21:24 <+krisk> lolwut
21:24 < i_c-Y> either go with server 2k3 64, vista 64 or server 2008
21:24 <+krisk> because?
21:24 < Randomist> krisk:  Yes, it is the speed I need.  32-bit SMP takes, oh, ten or twenty minutes or so to boot up on an AMD processor.  :)
21:25 < Randomist> (No, really, it does!)
21:25 <+krisk> and 64?
21:25 < Randomist> Works fine.
21:25 <+krisk> no shit
21:25 < Randomist> Duh.  :P
21:25 <+krisk> how long does it take on 64?
21:25 < Randomist> About a minute or so.
21:26 <+krisk> cool
21:26 < Storm|wrk> Randomist: go with serve 2003 x64
21:26 < Storm|wrk> server*
21:26 < Storm|wrk> you should be abel to get a free license since your a student anyway.
21:26 < Storm|wrk> able*
21:27 < Randomist> This is a lot of work just to use a Windows-only printer/scanner and some software that works best on better than a uniprocessor.  :P
21:27 <+krisk> http://disc.420chan.org/weed/src/1249245462448.jpg
21:27 <+krisk> woah
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21:37 < leofox> krisk heh, wtf is that
21:38 < Storm|wrk> a pipe/bong i assume
21:41 <+krisk> yeah
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21:42 <+krisk> http://disc.420chan.org/weed/res/1929633.html
21:42 <+krisk> some crazy bongs in that there thread
21:44 < Randomist> Welcome to The Crazy Pot Art channel. | http://disc.420chan.org/weed/src/1249245462448.jpg | http://disc.420chan.org/weed/res/1929633.html
21:44 <+krisk> nice
21:44 <+krisk> lol leofox http://disc.420chan.org/weed/src/1249247706067.jpg
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21:50 <@efneTI92> [likeWOAH] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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22:03 < leofox> krisk waat
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22:06 <+krisk> anyone know naything about neurolinguistic programming
22:06 <+krisk> ?
22:06 < leofox> krisk yeah, it's fail
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22:07 <+krisk> it seems like its just people greatly exxagerating the effects off basic social interaction
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22:12 <+krisk> woo new trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFDK_PE4Aj0
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22:14 < ports> mmm colin ferguson
22:15 < ports> krisk, and they are... theyre all idiots
22:15 < ports> have you not learned that yet?
22:15 <+krisk> ?
22:15 < ports> <krisk> anyone know naything about neurolinguistic programming
22:15 < ports> <krisk> it seems like its just people greatly exxagerating the effects off basic social interaction
22:15 < bsparks> I really want to, just, record this channel 27/4, like, get voice actors for everyone here, and put it out as 1hr long podcasts
22:16 <+krisk> so what makes you think i dont know theyre all idiots?
22:16 < ports> bsparks, why
22:16 < i_c-Y> because you are krisk 
22:16 < bsparks> ports, it's better than most tv
22:16 < ports> bsparks, i guess. i lost the playboy channel, so id have to agree
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22:24 <+krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3IuHMxFHjQ
22:25 <+krisk> haha
22:25 < ports> no
22:25 < leofox> lolstoners
22:28 < leofox> haha he got the black woman to say 421
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22:29 < ports> ?
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22:30 <+krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWVnPlUCrf8
22:30 <+krisk> ghehe
22:33 < leofox> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT0muGzlP7A
22:33 < leofox> some pitcher takes LSD, turns out he has to play a game
22:34 < leofox> throws like a champ
22:34 <+krisk> haha i just finished watching that as you posted it
22:35 < ports> cream of steam
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22:41 < incubus> leofox, never heard that story?
22:42 < incubus> God damn I'm so sick of hearing about Michael Phelps taking a bong hit, OMFG
22:42 < incubus> Which of course makes him a stoner? O_o
22:43 <+krisk> clearly
22:43 < i_c-Y> filthy stoners
22:43 -!- Phoenix_2 [~Phad@p5B30EFAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #tcpa
22:43 < Phoenix_2> hello 
22:44 < Phoenix_2> i have a ti 83 can i use a ti graph link usb cabel with the ti connect software?
22:46 <+krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EviVliwAzk
22:47 < incubus> krisk, lmfao
22:48 < incubus> krisk, would you really have a problem with a stoned teacher?
22:48 < incubus> that would be the best class EVER
22:48 <+krisk> why would i have a problem?
22:48 < incubus> because you're Dutch and crazy
22:48 <+krisk> huh
22:49 <+krisk> i love positive people
22:49 < incubus> lol
22:51 <+krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KzO4wQM4MU
22:52 <+krisk> lulz
22:53 < incubus> not really that funny
22:53 < incubus> giving people drugs without their knowing isn't a cool thing to do
22:54 <+krisk> no but calling in Joint Terrorist Taskforce to handle it is lulz
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22:54 <+krisk> and calling the muffins weapons of mass destruction..
22:56 < ports> ok
22:56 < incubus> he was smoking some nasty weed if he smoked it in a driveway and he smelled it
22:57 < ports> eh
22:57 < ports> incubus, most of the weed ive smelled has been ridiculously pungent
22:57 < incubus> good weed is pungent
22:57 < incubus> but it smells good
22:57 < incubus> it's fragrant
22:57 < ports> you couldnt walk into my friends house without getting a headache from it
22:57 <+krisk> i like the smell really
22:58 < incubus> see that's a shitty odor
22:58 < incubus> the stuff I smoked, if you smelled, you would be like "mm flowers"
22:59 < incubus> If you are lighting up fresh Cannabis, the smell is there, but it's not like a 'reaking' smell though it is quite strong
22:59 <+krisk> when i came back once from a night in amsterdam i could just sit there being happy with the way i smell
22:59 < incubus> and if you vaporize, Like I ONLY do, there is VERY little smell
22:59 <+krisk> how is vapo treating you?
22:59 <+krisk> smoking kills my throat
22:59 < incubus> great, easy on the lungs
22:59 <+krisk> nice
22:59 < incubus> vapo is the way to go, Smoking is riddiculous
22:59 <+krisk> will get one then
22:59 <+krisk> yeah
22:59 < ports> oh well
22:59 < ports> im not friends with that kid anymore.. so it doesnt matter
23:00 <+krisk> theres a nice site i can order from that also sells nice wooden grinders
23:00 < incubus> I haven't smoked pot in quite a while, I won't smoke again till I'm out of this city probably
23:00 <+krisk> havent smoked it in a while too
23:00 <+krisk> nobody i hang out with anymore smokes
23:00 <+krisk> ive filtered out the people who do
23:00 < incubus> over 6 months? :P
23:01 <+krisk> near it for sure
23:01 <@_Auron_> 3 months for me
23:01  * _Auron_ has a skull shaped metal grinder with a container area on the top
23:01 <@_Auron_> and off to move my computer upstairs
23:01 < incubus> _Auron_, are your dealers mostly friends?
23:02 <@_Auron_> well, not friends I normally hang out with, but yes friends
23:02 < ports> i have never smoked pot
23:02 < incubus> ports, okay
23:02 <@_Auron_> I hung out at my dealer's for 6 hours playing PS3 and he rolled 4 blunts of dro while I was there
23:03 <@_Auron_> brb
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23:03 < incubus> jeeeze, that's over 100$ worth of cannabis
23:03 < ports> yeah see.. when i say i went to my dealer... i want it to mean something legitimate
23:04 <+krisk> damn im hungry
23:04 < incubus> I don't plan to ever have a dealer again, I'm going to grow my own :D
23:04 < _Auron|G1> over $100? heh
23:04 < _Auron|G1> must be expensive where you are
23:05 < incubus> 20$ / gram
23:05 < ports> _Auron|G1, their money isnt worth as much
23:05 < incubus> their?
23:05 < ports> incubus, i dunno where youre from
23:06 < incubus> US? :P
23:06 < ports> then thatd be a true statement lol
23:06 < incubus> where are you from?
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23:07 < ports> midwest
23:07 < _NF_> whohoo, still alive
23:07 < incubus> how is my money not worth as much?
23:07 < incubus> _Auron|G1, I doubt you're smoking http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s124/allmyfishdie/WhiteWidow1.jpg?t=1249253078 quality for less than 15$/g
23:07 < ports> incubus, dunno.. we've lost value for american money lately
23:08 < ports> wtf is that
23:08 < ports> it looks like a moldy iguana
23:08 < incubus> a cannabis flower
23:08 < ports> moldy iguana
23:08 <+krisk> "Things have been invented because of alcohol! Like the tazer. The morning-after pill. The reacharound. What has pot given the world? Hackey-sack? Funny ringtones?"
23:09 < incubus> here's it zoomed out a bit http://stonerculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jar.jpg
23:09 < ports> lol
23:09 < _NF_> I thought this was about calcs xD
23:10 < _NF_> you can see the thc shining :O
23:10 < incubus> The cheap shit looks like this http://www.gardenscure.com/420/attachments/genetics/209455d1185767973-brick-weed-brick.jpg
23:10 < incubus> fucking grass clippings
23:10 <+krisk> eww
23:10 < _Auron|G1> busy atm
23:11 < incubus> krisk, they ship that to my city from Mexico
23:11 < incubus> A LOT of people smoke it
23:11 < incubus> The smoke lingers forever, you never get rid of it, and it smells like you're burning old dusty books, just awful
23:11 <+krisk> even stoners are disappointing
23:11 < ports> hrm do you guys want to see a car that was modded by a stoner?
23:11 < _NF_> 0.0
23:11 <+krisk> even in amsterdam people smoke crap
23:11 < incubus> krisk, O_o
23:11 < incubus> I doubt they have mexican brick weed lol
23:11 <+krisk> less, but still
23:11 < incubus> it's just awful
23:11 < ports> http://forums.audiworld.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3702&stc=1&d=1249193841      http://forums.audiworld.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3703&stc=1&d=1249193872
23:11 <+krisk> fair enough
23:12 <+krisk> You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page.
23:12 < _NF_> idd
23:12 < ports> oh
23:12 < ports> sorry hold on
23:12 < incubus> krisk, they harvest that shit along with male plants, put it in huge plastic wrap stuff in the middle of the hot sun, let it sit there for months, compress the shit out of it, and transport it
23:12 < _Auron|G1> incubus
23:12 < incubus> throw it all together, no manacuring, it's just gross
23:12 < _Auron|G1> the first pic is exactly what it looks like
23:13 < incubus> nice :D
23:13 < incubus> you must have a good hook up
23:13 < _Auron|G1> yes
23:13 < incubus> if you're in RI that's not surprising either
23:13 < ports> http://forums.audiworld.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3703&stc=1&d=1249193872
23:13 < _Auron|G1> I don't always get dro though, sometimes I get corn
23:13 < incubus> lol 'corn' ?
23:13 <+krisk> the hell is dro and corn
23:13 < _Auron|G1> a type in dallas
23:13 < ports> http://img25.imageshack.us/i/0801091336.jpg/
23:13 < _Auron|G1> dro is hydroponically grown cannabis
23:14 < ports> hy-dro :P
23:14 <+krisk> cool car
23:14 < ports> thats a suck ass car
23:14 < _Auron|G1> corn is a type popular in dallas that's inbetween regs and dro. it sounds and feels like popcorn when you break it apart
23:14 < ports> someone went way too far on blacking it out.... the interior of that must get hot enough to fry an egg
23:14 < incubus> _Auron|G1, I've had that shit, it's nasty
23:14 <+krisk> looks cool though
23:15 < incubus> all hard
23:15 < _Auron|G1> no it isn't o.O
23:15 < incubus> if it sounds and feels like popcorn, that's bad
23:15 < _Auron|G1> it tastes sweet
23:15 < incubus> if it crumbles in your fingers easily, and is soft to the touch, it's golden
23:15 < _Auron|G1> and it's potent, you can see the thc on it too. not as much as dro but still
23:15 < incubus> I'm not saying it's bad
23:15 < incubus> I just prefer the highest of the highest quality
23:15 < incubus> so I can smoke less
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23:15 <@efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin.
23:15 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o _Auron_] by efneTI86
23:16 < incubus> so it's either high quality perfectly cured, or I say no t hanks
23:16 < _Auron|G1> heh okay
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23:16 <+krisk> cool
23:17 < incubus> it's like being a connoisseur :D
23:17 <+krisk> yeah
23:17 <+krisk> connoisseur of life
23:18 < incubus> lol
23:19 < incubus> duivelskunstenaar
23:20 < incubus> 'pijnlijk'?  Wtf come on
23:21 <+krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6cZdSJvOME
23:21 < incubus> I swear Dutch is like a big practical joke to the world
23:21 < incubus> It's like "You really think these are words? Silly people"
23:23 <+krisk> man im out
23:23 <+krisk> gnight
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23:38 < BrandonW> Of course you won't destroy an 83+ on a failed OS transfer.
23:39 < BrandonW> You're an idiot if you didn't know that.
23:39 < BrandonW> That's a basic question.
23:39 < incubus> ?
23:39 < incubus> who asked that
23:39 < BrandonW> Somebody named Phoenix_1 earlier.
23:40 < BrandonW> It's all the people who replied "uh I dunno ask BrandonW" I can't understand.
23:40 < incubus> lol
23:44 <@_Auron_> is FB being almost entirely unresponsive to anyone else atm?
23:50 < Merthsoft> _Auron_: no
23:51 < leofox> BrandonW people here know jack shit about calculators
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