--- Log opened Thu Jul 30 00:00:12 2009
--- Day changed Thu Jul 30 2009
00:00 < tr1p1ea> err convenient
00:01 < nicolas> damnit... I really need to remember to bring my headphones in to work ... no sound currently :(
00:02 <@_Auron_> Stroids is definitely going to be done by the weekend at this rate.
00:23 <+krisk> cool vid tr1p1ea
00:27 <+krisk> i wonder how they calculated that odds thing
00:28 < jr19> gah
00:30 < ports> gah
00:33 < ports> im so gassy this morning
00:33 < ports> i farted and i swear it lifted me up in my seat
00:36 <@_Auron_> TMI
00:36 < jr19> i seriously think all that alcohol i drank burned a hole in my stomach
00:37 < ports> heh
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00:47 <@efneTI92> [bsparks] http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/images/smilies/grayscale_drifter2.gif Parrot.
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00:50 < ports> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/07/504x_wet-tshirt.jpg  NSFW
01:06 <+krisk> unless you work at a tshirt factory
01:07 < ports> lol
01:16 < jr19> flagbutt
01:18 < ports> jr19, eah so not cool
01:20 < jr19> kim's court date is today
01:26 < ports> jr19, lol
01:30 <@E-J> ports: that wasn't very nsfw
01:31 <@E-J> unless you are working with religious bastards
01:31 < jr19> yeah
01:32 < jr19> it was a little suggestive, but not really nsfw
01:32 <+krisk> a little bit nsfw is still nsfw
01:33 < jr19> i guess it should have nsfw because of that, yes
01:33 < jr19> cant take chances
01:34 <+krisk> hmm i had set 100kg squat as a kind of achievement for myself but now im at 97.5 and will do 100 friday and it doesnt seem all that interesting any more
01:34 < BrandonW> jmaister, you will find nothing on the Nspire because it's a piece of junk.
01:34 <+krisk> now 140 is interesting
01:34 < BrandonW> Stick with the 84+SE keypad if you are unfortunate enough to own one.
01:34 < ports> krisk, youre lame
01:35 < ports> you just want to squat more so you can carry your fat girlfriend around on piggy back rides
01:35 < ports> i know how you norwegians think
01:35 < jr19> lol norwegians
01:36 < ports> you know what we say... party every day
01:36 < ports> that fucking song is so catchy
01:36 <+krisk> ports dont make fun of my dreams
01:36 <+krisk> and i already can btw
01:36 <+krisk> if i had a gf
01:36 <+krisk> lulz
01:40 < ports> cow
01:41 <+krisk> ?
01:43 < jr19> ports is bitter today
01:43 <+krisk> and yesterday?
01:44 < jr19> every day
01:44 < jr19> until he gets his car
01:44 < jr19> but he will probably be mad at something the dealer does when he goes to pick it up heh
01:44 < jr19> right ports?
01:45 <+krisk> and the cyclists along the way
01:45 < jr19> yes
01:45 -!- TD--Linux is now known as TD-Linux
01:52 <@E-J> topic in local tabloid "Finnish Communications Regulatory Authority: Burying alive is suitable for kids"
01:57 < jr19> wat
01:58 <@E-J> in some soap opera, at season finale someone buried other one alive, and this was big shock to parents
01:58 < jr19> ohhh i see
01:58 < bsparks> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/watches/c16c/?cpg=99H :D
01:59 < jr19> the bride was buried alive in kill bill
01:59 < TD-Linux> once Linux is ported to the Nspire it will get interesting
01:59 < TD-Linux> unfortunately that won't happen before a hole in the encryption is found
01:59 < TD-Linux> and noone cares about the Nspire enough to find one
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02:00 < TD-Linux> a buffer overflow anywhere would also be nice.
02:00 < TD-Linux> which is made easier by a RAM dump
02:00 <+patz2009> I'll overflow YOUR buffer!
02:00 < TD-Linux> noone has done a RAM dump yet have they? and the Flash is encrypted?
02:02 <@E-J> jr19: but kill bill isn't suitable for kids :)
02:02 <@E-J> jr19: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salatut_el%C3%A4m%C3%A4t
02:02 < jr19> yeah
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02:07 < ports> cuz im the shit.. up in this bitch
02:07 < ports> diamonds on my neck...
02:07 < ports> blah blah.. more rap song... cuz im the shit.. up in this bitch
02:08 < ports> jr19, and yes.. if the dealer fucks with my car.. ill cut his bitch ass
02:08 < ports> and im not going to pick up the car.. just see it
02:10 < jr19> heh
02:11 < ports> i didnt plan on going to see it... but im going to be in town anyway
02:13 < ports> hey
02:13 < ports> doesnt Rayne drive an Audi?
02:15 < jr19> i dont know
02:22 < ports> http://leasticoulddo.com/comics/20060810.gif  - that was me at the dealership
02:25 < ports> ahh
02:25 < ports> he drives an Audi RS4
02:26 < jr19> way cooler than your car
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02:29 < ports> i suppose
02:29 < ports> i think its the same car
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02:29 < ports> it is.. just bigger engine, etc... the sport edition
02:30 < ports> Its main market competitors initially included the BMW M3, and the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG, and could also currently include the Lexus IS-F.
02:30 < ports> they dont make it anymore... they just now have an S-class.. like an S4....  theyre doing the BMW thing where all the M# cars are the badass sports cars
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02:37 < nicolas> when I was in the states last summer, this chick friend of my friend drove around in an M6 ...
02:37 < nicolas> I heard her come around into the neighborhood from inside the house :P
02:37 < nicolas> I was like ... huh? -> *drooool*
02:39 < jr19> was chick friend hot
02:39 < ports> oh
02:39 < ports> nicolas, i dont think id ever get an M6
02:39 < ports> the m6 coupe is $102k
02:41 < ports> and they have the balls to charge you extra for things like the smartphone connection, ipod kit, premium sound, ..
02:41 < ports> BMW needs to take a lesson from other car dealers and stop offering options on cars
02:44 < nicolas> hehe
02:44 < nicolas> especially once you reach 100k :S
02:44 < nicolas> $102k sounds cheap to me
02:44 < ports> exactly
02:44 < ports> $102,000 USD..
02:44 < ports> that costs more than a lot of middle class homes.
02:44 < nicolas> the "base" model I think here ( in France ) is like 111K euro
02:44 < ports> heh
02:44 < ports> but anyways
02:45 <+patz2009> still, things like ipod hookups are cheap
02:45 < ports> its $102. plus options.. about $110k ..... and its atill a coupe
02:45 < ports> patz2009, ipod hookup is $400.. include it in the damn car
02:45 < nicolas> but it's does have a nice 506hp engine :P
02:45 <+patz2009> i know, that's what i'm saying
02:45 < ports> you can get one
02:46 <+patz2009> it's so cheap, it won't hurt them to include those kind of things
02:46 <+krisk> do you get a license to go over the speed limit with that? if not, useless
02:46 < ports> nicolas, if i were going to spend ridiculous money on a car.. itd be an M5
02:46 < nicolas> plus it's "$400" ... i'm pretty sure a silly usb interface costs much less than that
02:46 < jr19> its obvious that buying a geo metro is the best choice for any individual
02:46 < ports> same 500hp 5liter v10 engine... but $85,500 starting... and 4doors
02:47 <+patz2009> i wish the 3000GTs weren't discontinued :(
02:47 < ports> jr19, i saw one on monday.. this big black guy was cramped into it
02:47 <+krisk> .in after all of them are beaten by evos and subarus
02:47 < nicolas> though this particular M6 I saw was the "old" non coupe model, I prefer it to the new coupe models
02:47 < ports> when youre spending that much money... things like the keyless entry should be included.. not an extra $1000
02:48 < ports> much cheaper cars include keyless entry in a trim level
02:48 < ports> i missed out on 1 thing i wanted on my new car... heated rear seats
02:48 < nicolas> do they even have those ?
02:48 < nicolas> I'm not sure i'd like heated seats anyway...
02:48 < ports> not an Audi A4's..
02:48 < jr19> i drove a 3000GT once when i was looking at cars to buy
02:49 < nicolas> maybe if I lived in the northern parts of scandinavia I could do with heated seats, but in general, I don't really need it
02:49 < ports> nicolas, my sister bought a bmw X5 last year.. and it was late in the season, so we just ordered it custom.. and i made her spend the $350 and get heated rear seats... we bought in September 2008... this past winter she was glad that she got them.
02:49 <@E-J> M6 is here 120keuros without car tax and with it 220keuros according to official site bmw.fi 
02:50 < ports> nicolas, she had a son in October.. so she'll usually sit in the back with the car seat/baby.. and my brother inlaw will drive... so heated rear seats.. FTW
02:50 < ports> E-J, wtf... the car tax is almost what it is in Israel
02:50 <+krisk> how do these things stack up against a profesionally tuned evo at 110-120k?
02:50 < ports> krisk, theyre not exactly meant for racing...
02:51 < ports> theyre really meant for the business guy in a suit that wants to feel like he has a bigger dick because he can beat people as stop lights and stuff..
02:51 < nicolas> ports: I guess I would just need each seat to have individual heating, as i'm quite sensitive to heat, I sweat very easily
02:51 < ports> nicolas, yes.. each seat has its own heater control button
02:51 <+krisk> well that evo will beat a lot at a stop light
02:51 < nicolas> but for a baby and/or wife/gf, which are usually much more susceptible to the cold, might be a good idea
02:52 < ports> nicolas, you also dont have a winter where it goes to -25F ..
02:52 < nicolas> indeed
02:52 <+krisk> so will it beat some ricer kid in an evo at the stop light?
02:52 < ports> krisk, yes.. but businessmen dont drive Evos
02:52 < nicolas> coldest i've seen it in austria where we go was -25C
02:52 < nicolas> so .. -13F
02:52 < ports> Mitsubishi is not a luxury brand
02:53 < ports> nicolas, thats still pretty fucking cold
02:53 <+krisk> although it does have some cars in that class
02:53 < nicolas> meh, I could walk outside in a t-shirt all the way to the restaurant without suffering
02:53 <+krisk> but will the businessman beat a ricer kid?
02:53 < ports> krisk, so does Honda and Toyota.. but thy are not luxury brands.
02:53 < nicolas> I think the real cold start just a bit lower at -30 C
02:53 < ports> krisk, an M5 should beat the pants off the ricer kid
02:53 < nicolas> that's when you start feeling the cold through your shoes
02:54 <+krisk> ricer kid in an evo loses agaisnt an m5?
02:54 < nicolas> yeah
02:54 < nicolas> I'd say so
02:55 < nicolas> the japanese evo was limited to like 275hp... and the european models had up to 400
02:55 < ports> M5 has a lot of high rpm torque..
02:55 < ports> M5 is RWD too...
02:55 < nicolas> the latest, standard model is around 300hp
02:55 < ports> isnt the Evo front? or is it AWD?
02:55 <+krisk> well the standard is a lot cheaper
02:55 <+krisk> AWD
02:55 <+krisk> silly, its a rally car
02:55 < nicolas> evo is front wheel or 4wd
02:56 <@E-J> ports: finnish car tax goes so that if car spends over 9.4 litres bensin or over 8.5 litres diesel per 100km it's higher than in those cars which spend less, and tax is 10% to 40% from taxfree price
02:56 <+krisk> what do the 0to60's come down to?
02:56 < nicolas> krisk: you can get either, front or AWD
02:56 <+krisk> well thats silly
02:56 <+krisk> ive never heard of it as FWD
02:56 < ports> eah.. its commonly a cheapie FWD
02:56 < ports> you only get AWD in the "rally" or sport version
02:56 < nicolas> hmm... maybe i'm just confused
02:56 < ports> 0-100 km/h (62 mph): 4.5s[2]
02:56 < ports>     * (0-100 mph: 10.1s, Road & Track [2/06])
02:56 < ports>     * (0-60 mph: 4.1s, Road & Track [2/06])
02:57 < mokomull> When did #tcpa become #ricer?
02:57  * nicolas goes to check on the internets...
02:57 <+krisk> well thats lame
02:57 < nicolas> you are right, only AWD
02:57 < ports> nicolas, no. the old Lancer was comparable to a Chevy Cavalier or Toyota Corolla... they had a cheapie version
02:57 <+krisk> but theres a company that sells fully tuned evos for 110ishk
02:57 <+krisk> agh lancer
02:57 <+krisk> not the old one
02:57 <+krisk> old cars suck
02:58 < nicolas> meh gimme a 911 Trubo any day of the week :)
02:58 < nicolas> and i'll be happy
02:58 <+krisk> subaruuuuuuuuu
02:58 < jr19> everyone here in the US a few years ago had boners over the nissan skyline
02:58 < ports> lol
02:58 < jr19> i want to buy a subaru some day
02:58 < ports> jr19, you would
02:59 <+krisk> an old sub does 0to60 in 4.9
02:59 <+krisk> and costs a third of the m5
02:59 < ports> the impreza wrx is starting to grow on me
02:59 < ports> krisk, i told you. BMW doesnt give a shit about ricers. its a luxury car for people that want the image and the power.
02:59 <+krisk> i told you, yeah.
03:00 < jr19> i love teh awd
03:00 <@E-J> and bmw drivers have no friends
03:00 < ports> jr19, the more i see the Audi A4 Avant though.. i like it too
03:00 < ports> E-J, and theyre sad and drink alone
03:01 <+krisk> hmm apparently Evo VIII does 60 in 3.5sec
03:02 < nicolas> so, if anyone has a spare 156K euro, send em my way, I promise I'll let you drive around a bit in the 911 Turbo Cabrio i'd get with them :D
03:02 <+krisk> at 200HP
03:02 < jr19> that george thorogood song is ports' anthem
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03:02 < ports> lol
03:02 < ports> nicolas, i considered buying a Porsche Cayenne
03:02 < jr19> "i drink alone"
03:03 < nicolas> meh, the cayenne sucks as a 4x4 car
03:03 < ports> jr19, oh yeah.. they played that at Wild Country a lot.
03:03 <+krisk> i like the evo ix better than the latest impreza, its more modest
03:03 <+krisk> looking
03:03 < ports> nicolas, im a city driver.... my cars almost never see gravel, let alone dirt
03:03 < nicolas> ah
03:03 <@E-J> cayenne is not really a sport car or suv, it's just big car that uses gas a lot
03:03 <@E-J> car for people who have small pen...cil
03:04 < nicolas> cause the VW touareg is basically the same car, except a bit cheaper and does a better job at going uphill
03:04 < ports> E-J, exactly.. and i passed on it for its HORRIBLE gas mileage, and it was more than i wanted to spend.. way more
03:04 < nicolas> although i've heard both good and bad about it
03:04 < ports> nicolas, ive had 2 bad experiences with VW dealers.. wont buy from them
03:04 < nicolas> heh, I've always found that VW car good, but the dealers suck :(
03:05 <@E-J> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIRQf0S3oD0
03:05 < ports> now i bought my car from a guy that sells Audi, VW, Mercedes, Mercury, and Lincoln.... he was great
03:05 <+krisk> hey, any idea what a 67 chevy impala or shelby mustang would cost?
03:06 <@E-J> my father has bouch last 2 cars from some guy from municipality where he is from
03:06 <@E-J> so my parents have now huyndai tuscon
03:06 < nicolas> krisk: just having to have them shipped would widen the gap in your wallet
03:06 <@E-J> last one was santa fe
03:06 <+krisk> ill make it float and drive it here myself
03:07 <+krisk> or ill come live in the us
03:07 < nicolas> I think the first thing you said is more feasible :P
03:07 < nicolas> well, easier
03:07 < ports> jr19, did you see that picture of the A4?
03:07 <+krisk> but would we be talking 10s of ks or 100s of ks
03:09 < jr19> yeah
03:09 <+krisk> http://www.oldride.com/classic_cars/588730.html cool, just needs black
03:09 <+krisk> (thats like 10 euro)
03:10 < nicolas> hmm, I don't like it
03:10 <+krisk> eh its not like ill ever have 100s of ks to spend on a proper new car
03:10 <@E-J> krisk: http://www.nettiauto.com/chevrolet/impala/2599706
03:10 <@E-J> hinta = price
03:11 <+krisk> not bad at all
03:11 <+krisk> although the roof thing is :(
03:11 < nicolas> I like hte old mustags
03:11 <+krisk> and lowrider is :(
03:11 <+krisk> yeah old msutangs are nice too
03:11 < nicolas> like, 75 mustang ... convertible
03:11 < nicolas> yummy
03:12 <+krisk> http://image.mustangandfords.com/f/miscellaneous/classic-recreations-offers-official-eleanor-recreations/8282256+cr1+re0+ar1/67-mustang-eleanor.jpg
03:12 <+krisk> tats nice
03:13 < nicolas> the new ones aren't all that bad either thught :)
03:13 < nicolas> thoug*
03:13 < nicolas> +h
03:13 <+krisk> yeah
03:13 < nicolas> damnit
03:13 < nicolas> can't type
03:13 <+krisk> heh stationwagon 67 impala for 10k euro
03:13 <+krisk> how would i ever get 15k though
03:14 < nicolas> working
03:14 <@E-J> http://www.nettiauto.com/ford/mustang/2631789
03:14 < nicolas> and not eating, living with no rent to pay etc etc
03:14 < nicolas> for a year
03:14 <+krisk> yeah lol
03:14 < nicolas> or more
03:15 < nicolas> damnit I feel poor
03:15 < nicolas> anyway, i'm heading home
03:15 <+krisk> :(
03:15 <+krisk> i need a better job
03:15 < nicolas> bye bye
03:15 <+krisk> cya
03:15 < nicolas> not necessarily, a better *paying* job would suffice ;-)
03:15  * nicolas &
03:15 <@E-J> some customer just told us at work yesterday that he earns 60k per year
03:15 <+krisk> hehe
03:16 <+krisk> well a better job would be nice too, more responsibility, more skills required, etc
03:16 <+krisk> be a real PRO
03:16 <+krisk> hmm other year impalas go for 5-6k
03:16 <@E-J> though he didn't have money to pay for temporary id card (30 euros)
03:16 <+krisk> 78impala 3.5k
03:16 <+krisk> lol E-J
03:17 <+krisk> he mustve spend 59980 already
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03:18 <+krisk> why is the 67 so much more expensive?
03:18 <@E-J> krisk: well he needed to get that new id card because his wallet and other stuff was just stolen from him
03:18 <+krisk> aha
03:18 <@E-J> he was really pissed when we said that we can't loan him that money
03:19 <+krisk> http://fotos.marktplaats.com/kopen/c/81/knWl5w+Z02DgssPlWhJARw==.jpg
03:19 <+krisk> pretty nice
03:20 <@E-J> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=209063556#Features
03:20 <+krisk> murders your wife?
03:20 <@E-J> yeah
03:21 <+krisk> lol!
03:22 <+krisk> 2x 77 impalas for 5k
03:22 <+krisk> http://fotos.marktplaats.com/kopen/6/56/trn4JonkCywtGFu4CC/JdQ==.jpg
03:22 <+krisk> total, so you actually get 2 impalas for 5k
03:22 <+krisk> haha
03:22 <+krisk> fix one up and sell it for 5k
03:22 <+krisk> yay free car
03:23 < sir_lewk> on the colbert report the other day were some swedish band movits
03:23 < sir_lewk> pretty damn good
03:26 <+krisk> i wonder how much these things cost back in the 70s
03:26 <@E-J> sir_lewk: movits?
03:29 < bsparks> FUCK I want pizza hut
03:30 <+krisk> omg! 67 chevy impala is the car they use on Supernatural
03:30 <+krisk> fun
03:32 < sir_lewk> ya
03:32 <+krisk> "I was surveying a few Lost message boards today and stumbled across an interesting suggestion for a flashback episode.  How bout a flashback episode for Vincent, yeah the dog."
03:32 <+krisk> lulz
03:32 < asmand> hi E-J 
03:32 < sir_lewk> http://www.movits.se/
03:34 < ports> lol
03:34 < jr19> ive never seen Lost
03:34 < ports> fucking dork
03:34 < ports> like anyone cares about the dogs backstory
03:34 < jr19> then again, i dont watch tv
03:34 < jr19> or tv shows for that matter
03:34 <+krisk> haha ports it would be awesome
03:35 <+krisk> other characters nobody cares about got flashback eps
03:35 <+krisk> like that couple they buried alive
03:35 < ports> hehe
03:35 < ports> Lost is dumb
03:35 <+krisk> of course, i like it
03:35 < sir_lewk> why would they bury people alive?
03:35 < sir_lewk> that's mean
03:35 < ports> sir_lewk, they talked back.
03:35 <+krisk> they thought they were dead
03:36 < sir_lewk> arn't they trapped on an island?
03:36 <+krisk> they were poisoned and seemed dead but its one of those temporary poisons
03:36 < sir_lewk> shouldn't they be eating their dead?
03:36 <+krisk> kinda sorta trapped yeah
03:36 <+krisk> there are fruits
03:36 <+krisk> and supplies
03:36 < ports> theyre trapped on an island with the worlds best technology
03:36 < ports> but its like a secret lab island
03:36 < sir_lewk> meat.  I crave meat
03:36  * sir_lewk looks at Netham45 and salivates
03:36 <+krisk> they can get off it with some fancy electromagnetic teleportation fancyness
03:36 < ports> sir_lewk, i bet prostitutes say that a lot
03:36 <+krisk> kinda sorta sometimes
03:37 < sir_lewk> lol
03:37 < ports> vagingo!
03:37 < sir_lewk> so when are they all going to get unlost?
03:37 < ports> at the end of the show
03:38 < jr19> vagcom
03:38 < ports> hehehe
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03:43 < sir_lewk> I need more decent goth metal
03:44 < Spengwork> no such thing sir_lewk 
03:44 < Spengwork> it is all horrible
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03:49 < jr19> life is horrible
03:49 <+patz2009> no u
03:53 < sir_lewk> :(
03:53 <@E-J> hi asmand, since when you have irced again :)
03:53 < sir_lewk> 'ello JoelS
03:54 < sir_lewk> I met another dude that works at facebook on irc
03:54 < sir_lewk> and he heard of you :O
03:55 < JoelS> oh?
03:55 < JoelS>  who
03:55 < JoelS> asmand: ? wow.
03:55 < sir_lewk> his irc name is Jewsus, dunno
03:56 < sir_lewk> I think he's interning there
03:56 < JoelS> efnet?
03:57 < sir_lewk> holonet
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03:57 < sir_lewk> some chan I've hanged on for a few years
03:58 < JoelS> Don't know his name eh?
03:58 < JoelS> I'm an intern director...
03:59 < sir_lewk> O.O
04:00 <@E-J> sir_lewk: he doesn't show his real name?
04:00 < sir_lewk> "Jewsus [~mfriedman@c-24-4-39-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net]" dunno
04:01 <@E-J> how many friedmans there can be working on fb
04:01 < sir_lewk> I don't think he's on right now, otherwise I'd ask him
04:04 < sir_lewk> hennyways, I found that interesting
04:04 <@E-J> http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/mfriedman maybe this?
04:04 <@E-J> *stalk*
04:06 < sir_lewk> oh oh, I think so
04:07  * sir_lewk ==> class
04:07 <@E-J> summer school?
04:08 < sir_lewk> quarter system, I have classes spring/summer and co-op/internship fall/winter :/
04:10 < JoelS> sir_lewk: where you doing coop?
04:11 < sir_lewk> company owned by comcast this year
04:11 < JoelS> Ew, did you apply here?
04:11 < sir_lewk> nah, my gpa is terrible :/
04:12 < JoelS> whats terrible?
04:12 <+krisk> metal is never decent
04:12 < sir_lewk> like 2.5 ish
04:12 < JoelS> meh
04:12 < sir_lewk> also I don't know anything about web devel
04:12 < sir_lewk> don't know if that'd be totally relevant or not
04:12 < JoelS> Do you think all we do is webdev?
04:13 < JoelS> Do you read our eng blog? Seen our open-source projects?
04:13 <+krisk> innovashun
04:13 < sir_lewk> I haven't actually
04:13  * sir_lewk googles
04:13 <+krisk> JoelS is there a dutch location?
04:13 < JoelS> no
04:13 <+krisk> sad face
04:13 <+krisk> nio wait
04:13 <+krisk> yay
04:15 <+krisk> also nice http://www.leola.k12.sd.us/student%20pages/Austin%20Schanzenbach/1973charger.jpg
04:16 < sir_lewk> nice
04:17 <+krisk> nice, i see one at only 6.5k
04:17 <+krisk> 10k for ones in better shape
04:18 <+krisk> woah http://fotos.marktplaats.com/kopen/4/78/BnoBvdaLE8b+ryyCIM7dug==.jpg 10k
04:18 < sir_lewk> that's a sexy looking car
04:19 <+krisk> i would renew the insides a bit but otherwise it looks like a nice buy
04:19 <+krisk> if only i had money
04:19 < sir_lewk> I got my car for about 4k
04:20 <+krisk> how could you uby something for 4k?
04:20 <+krisk> did you just have it sitting on your bank ?
04:20 < sir_lewk> 2003 honda in good shape
04:20 <+krisk> nice for 4k
04:20 < sir_lewk> got a loan, paid it off in a year
04:20 <+krisk> ah
04:20 <+krisk> how much a month?
04:20 < sir_lewk> not sure
04:21 <+krisk> was it 4 total afteri nterest?
04:21 < sir_lewk> oh, not much more
04:21 <+krisk> ok
04:21 < sir_lewk> maybe 4300 about?
04:21 <+krisk> yeah ok about 350 a month then
04:21 < sir_lewk> ya, sounds right
04:21 <+krisk> thats doable
04:22 <+krisk> make it two years and one those cars is affordable
04:22 < sir_lewk> yeah
04:22 <+krisk> although one owuld have to account for further maintenance costs
04:22 < sir_lewk> true
04:23 < sir_lewk> that can be hard to predict though
04:23 <+krisk> yeah
04:23 <+krisk> i would have no idea
04:23 < sir_lewk> I certainly don't know cars or repairs that well
04:23 <+krisk> and for old cars... :/
04:23 <+krisk> for all i know it blows up after a day
04:23 < sir_lewk> yeah
04:24 <+krisk> heh cool, the car in fear and loathing in las vegas is a chevy impala too, but convertible
04:25 < sir_lewk> nice
04:29 < sir_lewk> this class is boring
04:30 < sir_lewk> wth did I take nuitrition?
04:30 <+krisk> ooh cool
04:30 < sir_lewk> (the answer is, because it counts as a 4 credit lab science but all I have to do is taste food :D)
04:30 <+krisk> is it any good?
04:31 <+krisk> oh not very good then
04:31 <+krisk> nutrition is hella interesting boy
04:31 < sir_lewk> it's crap my mother has been teaching me since forever (she's a home-ec teacher), otherwise it might be good
04:31 <+krisk> its more like cooking class then?
04:31 < sir_lewk> nah
04:32 <+krisk> not like high level nutritional sciences for sports and stuff
04:32 < sir_lewk> like, today for lab we taste tested 4 different cereals
04:32 <+krisk> sad face
04:32 < sir_lewk> right, just "this is a fat, it does this in your body..."
04:32 <+krisk> so highschool chemistry applied to food
04:32 < sir_lewk> "you're stomach is used to digest food"
04:32 <+krisk> :o
04:32 < sir_lewk> not even >_>
04:33 <+krisk> i am shocked and appaled
04:33 < mokomull> I am not a stomach.
04:33 < sir_lewk> :P
04:33 < Tari> mokomull++
04:33 <+krisk> your mom is used to digest stuff too
04:33 < sir_lewk> like honestly
04:34 < sir_lewk> my mother teaches her middleschool (7th/8th grade) students this stuff
04:34 <+krisk> lulz
04:34 <+krisk> stuff like all the kinds of carbs and what they do exactly wouold be interesting though
04:34  * _Auron_ stares at his to-do list for Stroids.
04:35 < sir_lewk> last week we did protiens, so for lab we quickly prepared various vegetarian things and ate them
04:35 < sir_lewk> like a salad and tofu
04:35 <+krisk> wat
04:35 <+krisk> vegetarian stuff and proteins
04:35 < sir_lewk> inorite
04:35 <+krisk> marginally computes
04:35 <@_Auron_> my original to-do list was about 50 items. I knocked out about 4-5 last night, and it's down to 10
04:36 <@_Auron_> I've gone so far o_x
04:36 <+krisk> although if they did it right they couldve taught you about all sorts of nuts and stuff with protein in them
04:36 <+krisk> did they cover all the different proteins?
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04:36 <+krisk> or just like lolprtoeingood
04:36 <+krisk> carbsbad fatbad
04:36 <+krisk> but proteingood
04:36 < sir_lewk> the carbs week was the best, we got to taste various slices of bread and try to guess which had the most fiber and stuff
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04:36 <+krisk> have some tofu
04:36 <+krisk> heh
04:37 < asmand> hmm
04:37 < sir_lewk> yeah, the various foods together had all the proteins
04:37 < sir_lewk> man, the tofu was like a decomposed sponge or something.  nasty
04:37 <+krisk> yeah thats tofu
04:37 <@_Auron_> tofu would probably kill me if I ate it
04:37 <+krisk> oh?
04:37 <@_Auron_> I'm soy intolerant
04:37 <+krisk> youre so manly you can only digest raw steaks?
04:37 < sir_lewk> :/
04:38 <+krisk> oh
04:38 <@_Auron_> I get *really* sick if I have a noteable amount of soy
04:38 <+krisk> less manly
04:38 < sir_lewk> I know a jewish guy here that keeps kosher so he can't eat tons of stuff
04:38 < sir_lewk> except he's also like deathly allergic to anything that comes from a cow
04:38 <+krisk> can he drink milk?
04:38 < sir_lewk> nope
04:38 <+krisk> eek
04:38 <+krisk> nevermind
04:38 <+krisk> his life must suck
04:38 <@_Auron_> bowl of cereal with soy milk = me curled up in bed praying the pain stops, with constant urge to vomit, for 8-10 hours
04:39 <+krisk> consider yuorself blessed
04:39 <+krisk> soy is for the weak
04:39 < sir_lewk> yeah, I'd really hate to be him
04:39 < sir_lewk> oh
04:39 < sir_lewk> and he can't do wheat
04:39 <+krisk> that sucks too
04:39 <+krisk> although veggies are superior
04:39 < sir_lewk> yeah
04:39 <@_Auron_> luckily I love sushi without sauce, so I don't miss having soy (not that I can recall tasting it)
04:40 < sir_lewk> I prefer my sushi with wasabi instead of soy sauce
04:40 <@_Auron_> I hate the taste of wasabi because of the horseradish
04:40 <@_Auron_> but the spicyness is awesome
04:40 < sir_lewk> oh, I love horseradish too
04:41 < mokomull> <3 horseradish of all sorts :)
04:41 <@_Auron_> uck
04:41 < sir_lewk> how it "kicks you in the back of the head if you have too much" <3
04:42 <@_Auron_> merely smelling horseradish makes me feel queasy
04:42 <@_Auron_> that's how gross I think it tastes/smells
04:42 < sir_lewk> there's a causual japanese place near here that we always eat at.  their eel rolls with wasabi == love
04:42 <@_Auron_> I don't like eel either <_<
04:42 < sir_lewk> :<
04:42 <@_Auron_> I fucking love crab though. omg
04:43 < sir_lewk> their tuna rolls are good too
04:43 <@_Auron_> went to ghengis grill with my sister last week and had a ton of crab and sausage
04:43 < sir_lewk> not a fan of california rolls.  haven't had much else as far as sushi goes though
04:43 <@_Auron_> yes, my sausage had crabs. bwahahah
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04:43 < sir_lewk> lol
04:44 <@_Auron_> my second bowl had extra dragon salt and asian chili. I cried.
04:44 < sir_lewk> dammit, now I'm hungry :o
04:44 <@_Auron_> I normally get dragon salt and dragon sauce, but I tried the asian chili and had used more dragon salt than usual... huge mistake. x.x
04:44 <@_Auron_> my sister said I was sweating and looked beat red
04:45 <@_Auron_> that never happens to me
04:45 < sir_lewk> I usually get the spicy beef bowl.  bowl of white rice on one side and spicy ass slices of beef on the other :D
04:45 < sir_lewk> eat the beef, then the rice to cool off my mouth :)
04:45 < asmand> wasabi and soy for sushi :)
04:46 < sir_lewk> they also have ginger root on the side, but I hate ginger
04:46 <+krisk> gingers can be nice
04:46 < sir_lewk> oh, well I love gingers ;P
04:46 < asmand> great for cleaning the pallet
04:46 < Tari> pwnt: http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=110419&catid=8
04:47 < asmand> I really like sushi, but it's damn expensive here
04:47 <@_Auron_> http://consumerist.com/5325530/pardon-me-but-there-is-a-mouse-in-this-can-of-diet-pepsi
04:47 < sir_lewk> "Ginger is also a minor chemical irritant, and because of this was used as a horse suppository by pre-World War I mounted regiments for feaguing." O.o
04:48 < asmand> what does feaguing mean?
04:48 <@_Auron_> mansfield in southern DFW has a really really good sushi place that's inexpensive called Suzushii
04:48 < sir_lewk> http://www.tampoporestaurant.com/image/web_foodie.JPG <== beef bowl in the back :D
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04:48 <@efneTI92> [_Auron|G1] We called it Sin.
04:48  * mokomull groans at lame American sushi place names
04:48 < sir_lewk> pfft, watevs
04:49 < sir_lewk> their food is superb, not really a "sushi place" technically
04:49 <+krisk> delisious mouse
04:49 < asmand> during lunch time, 12 pieces of sushi + soda = 12 euros
04:49 <+krisk> jesus
04:49 < asmand> close to 20 euros outside lunch :/
04:49 <@_Auron_> o.O
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04:50 <+krisk> we have a 18 euro all you can eat sushi bar that pretty nice
04:50 <@_Auron_> suzushii is $7-$10 for like 8-10 huge pieces of sushi
04:50 <@_Auron_> and the sushi buffet that's good in arlington is $10
04:51 <+krisk> well its not really all you can eat but you get as many orderings as you want untill closing time at 20 menu items each
04:51 <+krisk> nobody can eat that
04:51 <+krisk> each item you leave on your plate costs another euro though
04:51 <+krisk> so they dont get people who order like retards and only eat a little bit
04:51 < sir_lewk> I do a beef/rice bowl, a six piece eel roll, and a drink for about $15
04:52 < sir_lewk> :O
04:52 < sir_lewk> :O :O :O
04:52 <+krisk> liter of milk 80 cents, muesli 1 euro, peanuts 1 euro, done.
04:52 <+krisk> :o
04:52 < sir_lewk> "hot spicy squid bowl 7.00" I NEED THAT
04:53 < asmand> then they have these "party platters"
04:53 < asmand> 25 pieces = 40 euro
04:53 <+krisk> likewoah
04:53 < sir_lewk> ouch
04:53 < asmand> expensive :(
04:55 <@E-J> finland
04:55 < sir_lewk> america
04:57 <+patz2009> fuck yeah
04:59 <@E-J> asmand: ootko valmistunu jo?
04:59 < asmand> E-J: en :P
04:59 <@E-J> just :)
05:00 < _Auron|G1> I'm not sure I'd like a squid bowl
05:00 < _Auron|G1> but I do like fried calamari
05:00 < jr19> crap
05:01 < jr19> this place is being taken over by finns
05:01 <+krisk> :?
05:01 <+krisk> just 1 right?
05:01 <@E-J> 2
05:02 < asmand> E-J: dippa on noin 50 sivuinen tällä hetkellä
05:02 <+krisk> fun fact: the more rightwing dutch call people from marocco finns
05:02 <+krisk> heh cool harrier fihting yets are only 15 million
05:03 <@E-J> asmand: ok, eli melkein valmis :) onko kaikki kurssit käyty jo ettei tartte tapella motivaation kanssa dipan jälkeen?
05:03 <+krisk> pretty affordable for a jet
05:04 < asmand> E-J: jep, kurssit ovat olleet valmiina jo melkein kaksi vuotta
05:04 < asmand> eiku, puoltoist
05:05 < asmand> I remember the game Harrier Attack for my old zx spectrum
05:05 < asmand> it was fun
05:05 <@E-J> hyvähyvä, itellähän vieläkin roikkuu 4 kurssia ja yksi niistä on peruskamaa niin ei oo tullu dippapaikkaa ees mietittyä muutenkuin että se iso d pitäs alottaa syksyllä että ehtii valmistua ennen kuin pitää vaihtaa uuteen
05:06 <@E-J> sun suomes on parantunu ainakin kirjoittaen :)
05:06 < _Auron|G1> jeebus
05:06 < asmand> http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0002241
05:08 <@E-J> ... mun näköjään ei
05:09 <@E-J> but urheiluruutu @ tv ->
05:12 < jr19> :(
05:12 < asmand> we were just discussing the state of our studies
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05:16 < asmand> I just realised, I've been studying for 8 years :S
05:16 < Tribal> studying what?
05:16 <@E-J> i'm starting my 8th, so i'm still young student :)
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06:16 <+krisk> why not onethousandonehundredeleven
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06:20 <+krisk> suggestions for movies/
06:20 <+krisk> ?
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06:38 <+krisk> lol 1080p sucks for horrormovies
06:39 < jr19> you should watch the lion king
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06:41 <+krisk> fuck
06:41 <+krisk> how do i play a movie with 5.1 audio as 2.1?
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06:49 < jr19> dunno
06:50 <+krisk> cant hear shit
06:52 < jr19> hmm...installing software via network share on computer that is 100 miles away from the share = fail
06:53 <+krisk> oh cool MPC lets you custom map audio channels
06:56 < jr19> whats mpc
06:56 <+krisk> media player classic
06:56 <@E-J> mobile person carrier
07:01 <+patz2009> my pink cock
07:04 < jr19> that was a little obscene
07:04 <+krisk> ok the channel set up thing sucks
07:07 < jr19> full of fail huh
07:08 < asmand> I should write on my thesis
07:08 < asmand> or go to bed
07:08 < asmand> I have made no progress during this last month
07:08 <+krisk> thesis: people suck.
07:08 < asmand> been on vacation
07:08 < jr19> i never had to write a thesis
07:08 < jr19> i had to create an hour long presentation
07:09 < asmand> i.e. being at home with my soon 2-year old son
07:09 < asmand> probability of concentrating on thesis writing then: 0
07:09 < asmand> master
07:09 < asmand> s
07:09 < asmand> thesis
07:09 < asmand> arf... master's thesis
07:09 < asmand> the apostrophe is located in a weird position on this keyboard
07:10 <@E-J> normal finnish keyboard or some weird?
07:11 < asmand> finnish keyboard on eeepc
07:11 <@E-J> ah
07:11 < asmand> ' is above the minimal return button
07:12 <+krisk> goddamn idiots not including a 2.1 track
07:12 < asmand> and the bottom right keys are: , . - up shift
07:12 < asmand> so I don
07:12 < asmand> ajöksdfasdk
07:12 < asmand> so I don't know how many times I've pressed up instead of shift
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07:17 < jr19> hehe
07:24 <@E-J> http://naurunappula.com/478485
07:25 < jr19> whats nauraunappula
07:25 < jr19> err naurunappula
07:25 < jr19> that's hard to type
07:27 <@E-J> laught button
07:28 <@E-J> -t
07:28 < jr19> interesting
07:30 <@E-J> and island called nauru is just 'funny' coincident
07:32 < asmand> has anyone tried one of the have-laptop-on-lap-without-burning-your-balls-pillows?
07:34 <@E-J> i think i know one who have that, bought from verkkokauppa.com i think
07:35 < jr19> i used to put a large book on my lap sometimes
07:35 < jr19> eventually the book gets hot
07:35 < asmand> yeah, a book is my current solution, but not optimal
07:35 < jr19> so just have a few large books
07:35 < jr19> heh
07:36 < asmand> heat gets through
07:36 < asmand> E-J: I've been considering one of those, but I'd like to test one first, or hear testimonies
07:37 < jr19> i've never seen a "pillow"
07:37 < jr19> i'd think a pillow would be bad for the laptop, potentially blocking vents
07:38 <@E-J> http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=472656
07:38 < asmand> I wonder which category I should be browsing under :P
07:38 <@E-J> cushtop is apparently brand name
07:39 <@E-J> asmand: tietokoneet / kannettavat / tarvikkeet
07:40 <@E-J> i used search :)
07:42 <@E-J> but now i need sleep
07:43 < asmand> http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=30294
07:43 < millinao> if I don't use my fan thing I use a blanket folded up
07:45 <@E-J> cheapest of those belkin ones was also 20.90 euros
07:45 < asmand> http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=26937
07:46 <@E-J> jep
07:46 <@E-J> ja heti saatavilla
07:47 <@E-J> http://naurunappula.com/471645
07:47 <@E-J> sleep ->
07:47 < jr19> bye
07:52 <+krisk> lol what a dumbm ovie this was
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07:54 < jr19> what movie
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07:56 <+krisk> Splinter
07:57 < jr19> never heard of it
07:57 <+krisk> dont bother ever watching it
07:59 < jr19> i won't
08:00 <+krisk> some couple gets kidnapped by a guy and his crackhead girlfriend
08:00 <+krisk> in the middle of the night in some deserted woods road place
08:01 <+krisk> they hit some spikey critter on the road which breaks their car and they eventually pull over at a gas station but nobodys there
08:01 <+krisk> crackhead gf finds a body covered in black spikes fungus things that animate it and it comes after them
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08:01 <+krisk> they stay inside and kill it
08:01 <+krisk> end
08:01 < jr19> lol wtf
08:01 < jr19> that sounds lame
08:01 <+krisk> well it kills the crackhead right away
08:02 < asmand> sounds like something that should be re-enacted in 30 seconds by bunnies
08:02 <+krisk> then it tries to go in but a cop comes by to arrest the kidnapper guy but she gets ruipped apart
08:02 < asmand> If you know what I refer to?
08:02 <+krisk> and the kidnapper guy has a splinter in his finger that grows into taking over his arm
08:02 <+krisk> so they cut it off
08:03 <+krisk> and then he shotguns the splinterified zombiething while the couple run away and he blows up the gas station with him there so he dies yay
08:04 < jr19> heh
08:04 < jr19> god damn splinterman
08:04 <+krisk> yeah
08:04 < asmand> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L61-VTuCIz0
08:04 <+krisk> oh and a hand got cut of and it moved on its own and went after them still
08:04 <+krisk> The Thing style
08:04 < leofox> gaah
08:04 < leofox> why is there a poll that has a bazillion questions
08:04 < leofox> about freaking
08:05 < leofox> yoghurt with added vitamins
08:05 < leofox> seriously at this rate its going to take me 30 mins while just clicking random options
08:05 <+krisk> jesusfuck that titanic in 30 secs film is loud even weith my amp at 5%
08:05 < Merthsoft> haha yoghurt
08:05 <+krisk> fuck yeah yoghurt
08:06 <+krisk> guy in Burn Notice eats a lot of yoghurt
08:06 < asmand> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=00E6A549FDB88E3B
08:06 < asmand> these are hilarious
08:06 <+krisk> they have a site you nkow
08:06 < asmand> didn't know
08:09 <+krisk> "My grandma always told me to eat carrots because they give you good eyes. I ate my fucking carrots, and now I need glasses. Fucking cunt."
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08:10 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
08:12 < jr19> cubs win cubs win
08:13 <+patz2009> no me
08:13 <+patz2009> i win
08:15 < leofox> krisk carrots do give you good eyes
08:16 <+krisk> its mostly genetics
08:17 <+krisk> and possibly vitamin deficienes during growth
08:17 < Merthsoft> leofox: no they don't, that's a myth started by the USAF when they first invented radar. they told the soviets the piolots just had good eyes from eating carrots
08:17 < jr19> god damn us government
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08:18 < Merthsoft> oh wait
08:18 < Merthsoft> it was the RAF
08:19 <+krisk> yeah uk invented RADAR
08:19 <+krisk> and first employed it in the battle for britain
08:19 < Merthsoft> mea culpa
08:19 < leofox> what?
08:19 < leofox> carrots contain a lot of beta-caroten
08:19 < leofox> which your body processes into vitamin A
08:20 < leofox> it helps your eyes
08:20 < Merthsoft> right, and a defficency in vitamin A will hurt your vision
08:20 < Merthsoft> but it's not like taking a Vitamin A IV drip will fix yoru eyes or anything
08:20 <+krisk> it doesnt magically regrow genetic eye differentiations
08:20 <+krisk> it just makes sure youre not deficient
08:20 < leofox> of course it doesnt
08:20 < leofox> but it's still good for your eyes
08:20 < leofox> or better put
08:20 < leofox> it's bad for your eyes if you dont
08:20 < Merthsoft> right, but it doesn't give you good eyes
08:20 <+krisk> yeah
08:21 <+krisk> vitamin a comes from a lot more though
08:21 < leofox> yeah
08:21 < leofox> but the amazing thing from carrots is
08:21 < Merthsoft> hurting you for not having it is not the same as helping you for having a lot of it
08:21 <+krisk> i think carrots arent even one of the best sources
08:21 < leofox> that they have beta caroten instead of vitamin A
08:21 <+krisk> broccoli and spinash are good
08:21 <+krisk> also
08:21 <+krisk> MILK
08:21 < leofox> vitamin A is toxic in large doses, but beta caroten isnt
08:22 < leofox> if you eat too much of it, your body wont process it
08:22 < leofox> krisk you and your milk
08:22 <+krisk> milk has everything bro
08:22 < leofox> yeah for little cows
08:22 <+krisk> thats why babies dont die
08:22 < leofox> not for grown men
08:22 <+krisk> just drink more milk
08:22 <+krisk> it contains everything
08:22 < jr19> "thats why babies dont die"
08:22 < jr19> wat
08:23 <+krisk> wut
08:23 < jr19> they drink breast milk
08:23 <+krisk> so what magical substance is in human milk that isnt in cow milk and we need to survive
08:23 <+krisk> its just slightly different ratios of stuff
08:23 < asmand> revision 86 of my thesis committed
08:24 < leofox> i dont really drink milk
08:24 <+krisk> but with a gallon a day youre not gonna be deficient in anything :P
08:24 < leofox> i think it tastes bad
08:24 < leofox> also lactose
08:24 <+krisk> blasphemy
08:24 < asmand> cold milk = teh win
08:24 <+krisk> 90% of humanity isnt lactose intolerant
08:24 < jr19> i just like chocolate milk
08:24 < asmand> but afterwards: milk = the wind
08:24 < jr19> i dont like regular
08:25 < leofox> oh i'm not lactose intolerant
08:25 < leofox> but it does have some side effects
08:25 < incubus> asmand, LOL
08:25 <+krisk> hmm milk doesnt make me windy any more
08:25 <+krisk> drinking a gallon a day did for a week or two
08:25 <+krisk> like hell
08:25 <+krisk> but the body adapts
08:25 < leofox> yeah :P
08:25 < leofox> it also makes my nose run
08:25 < asmand> same with veggies
08:25 < asmand> after a while you adapt
08:26 < incubus> god damn I hate the word veggies
08:26 <+krisk> veggie veggie veggies
08:26 < jr19> veggietales
08:26 < asmand> especially with cabbage or "roots"
08:26 < incubus> I just killed 3 kittens and threw a calculator in water
08:26 <+krisk> also be sure to take plenty fiber and fats to balance the digenstive system stuff
08:26 < Merthsoft> i don't drink too much milk because it makes my mucus thick and that's not good for singing
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08:27 <+krisk> true
08:27 < Merthsoft> a multivitamin every day gives me everything
08:27 <+krisk> you can clean your throat though
08:27 < incubus> Did you have to mention mucus thickening while I'm eating a bowl of cereal with milk
08:27 < Merthsoft> which is a lot cheaper than a gallon of milk every day
08:27 < jr19> lol
08:27 < jr19> mucus thickening
08:27 < incubus> I question the importance of a multi-vitamin
08:27 <+krisk> how muhc protein fat and carbs are in those multivitamins Merthsoft
08:27 < incubus> The World without Multi-vitamins: Utter Chaos
08:28 <+krisk> 0? oh too bad
08:28 <+krisk> my gallon of milk has 2300+ calories worth of protein carbs and fats in near perfect ratios
08:28 < jr19> krisk what do you generally eat during the day
08:28 < Merthsoft> yeah i don't really need all that fat
08:28 <+krisk> yes you do
08:28 < incubus> krisk, you drink a gallon of mlik a day?
08:28 <+krisk> ill reckon you need more fat than carbs
08:29 <+krisk> yes incubus
08:29 < incubus> so that's all you do is drink a gallon of milk?
08:29 < incubus> no other food?
08:29 <+krisk> its only half my calorie intake or a bit less even
08:29 < Merthsoft> krisk: unless you're my dietician, i don't think you can really question how i'm eating
08:29 < incubus> at 2300 calories you're already over your daily recommendation
08:29 < Merthsoft> he knows a little better than you what i should be eating and what i shouldn't be
08:29 <+krisk> daily recommendation for the weak
08:29 < asmand> I get most of my fiber from müsli and rye bread
08:29 < incubus> Merthsoft, you have a dietician?
08:29 <+krisk> harhar dieticians
08:30 <+krisk> yeah because everybody is good at their job right
08:30 < incubus> Dieticians are fucking psuedo-science bullshitters
08:30 <+krisk> its not like the whole world if filled with people complaining about other peoples job performance
08:30 <+krisk> oh wait
08:30 <+krisk> anyway
08:30 < Merthsoft> now you'r ejust trolling
08:30 < Merthsoft> which means!
08:30 <+krisk> its true though
08:30 < Merthsoft> !k krisk trolling
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08:31 <+krisk> check out some health forums and see their opinion of dieticians and doctors and stuff
08:31 < asmand> 2300 cal is a bit high isn't it?
08:31 < incubus> yes
08:31 <+krisk> see how many actually know what theyre doing
08:31 <+krisk> 2300 is lowwwwwwww
08:31 < asmand> depends on of course what you do
08:31 < incubus> krisk, what are you talking about
08:31 <+krisk> 2000 is for weak women who do nothing at all all day
08:31 < asmand> if you're a professional bodybuilder or something
08:31 <+krisk> 2500 is for adult men
08:31 < jr19> if you sit on the couch all day and watch tv...2300 might be something
08:31 <+krisk> yeah
08:31 <+krisk> you have to add some energy requirements for active lifestyle
08:31 < incubus> My calory recommendation is 2300
08:31 <+krisk> and though you can survive on 1500 cals a day doesnt mean its good for you
08:32 < incubus> if I want to keep my weight
08:32 < incubus> grr
08:32 < incubus> calorie*
08:32 <+krisk> i can eat up to 5000 a day and not get fat
08:32 < asmand> I've been working on losing weight
08:32 <+krisk> haha
08:32 < jr19> i need to find a girl who works out regularly
08:32 <+krisk> hell, im eating more than 5000 and im not fat
08:32 < asmand> lost 12 kg since Jan 1st
08:32 <+krisk> gained 15 kg in a few months
08:32 < asmand> krisk: you work out like crazy?
08:32 < incubus> LOL
08:32 <+krisk> squatz
08:32 < asmand> oh, weight lifter
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08:32 < asmand> yah
08:33 <+krisk> for strength
08:33 < asmand> I gained 10 kg when I started going to the gym
08:33 < incubus> you suck then
08:33 <+krisk> but without activity theres still a difference between 3000kcal a day and 2000kcal a day even if neither makes me gain weight
08:33 < asmand> that was before university and children though
08:33 <+krisk> your entire body shuts down to preserve energy you know
08:33 < incubus> Losing weight is the easiest thing ever
08:33 <+krisk> your organs and shit run less efficiently
08:33 <+krisk> especially your brains
08:33 <+krisk> their a major energy drain
08:33 < asmand> incubus: your previous statement did not include a recipient
08:34 < Merthsoft> brains are for women
08:34 < incubus> asmand, no it did not
08:34 <+krisk> losing weight is easy
08:34 <+krisk> losing fat is harder
08:34 < sir_lewk> quote: "if I understanded how computers worked, I'd be the richest man in the world. ...oh wait, he doesn't understand them either"
08:34 <+krisk> especially without losing muscle mass
08:34 < incubus> krisk, yeh :(
08:34 <+krisk> gaining weight vs gaining lean mass brings the same difference
08:34 <+krisk> depending on your stats activity metabolism genetics etc
08:35 < sir_lewk> I leveled up the other day
08:35 < jr19> krisk do you do cardio
08:35 <+krisk> no jr19 that would kill my energy intake
08:35 < Merthsoft> sir_lewk: leveld up what?
08:35 < incubus> krisk, are you a body builder?
08:35 < asmand> ran a half-marathon in May
08:35 <+krisk> and my cardiovascular system is fine
08:36 <+krisk> so i have no need for cardio yet
08:36 < jr19> how do you know its fine
08:36 < incubus> is he dead? :)
08:36 < asmand> next competition is just a 7 km cross country race
08:36 < incubus> blood pressure
08:36 <+krisk> because i can maintain activity for long periods of time
08:36 <+krisk> and my breathing is good
08:36 < asmand> then in September another half-maratho
08:36 <+krisk> and my blood pressure has always been more than fine
08:37 <+krisk> i cant run very well but that has nothing to do with my cardio system
08:37 < Merthsoft> more than fine blood pressure?
08:37 <+krisk> i just never run
08:37 < incubus> what's the #Tcpa website?
08:37 <+krisk> good > fine > ok > mediocre > bad > terrible
08:37 < incubus> Merthsoft, below 180/20
08:37 < incubus> whooops
08:37 < incubus> Below 120/80
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08:37 < Merthsoft> dead people's blood pressure is below 120/80 too
08:37 <+krisk> and no im not a bodybuilder
08:38 < incubus> Merthsoft, is he dead?
08:38 <+krisk> im just a skinnyfag gaining weight while getting mediocre strength
08:38 < Merthsoft> incubus: i really do wish
08:38 < incubus> lol
08:38 < sir_lewk> Merthsoft: my XP of course
08:38 <+krisk> cardio is only for improving cardio anyway
08:38 <+krisk> running is for improving running
08:38 < Merthsoft> sir_lewk: what XP?
08:38 <+krisk> trust me, weightlifting can be plenty intense by itself
08:38 < incubus> it definitely raises the heart rate
08:39 < jr19> well i guess if you were a body builder, you'd probably have to do cardio if you wanted to cut
08:39 < incubus> but not exactly a cardiovascular staple
08:39 < sir_lewk> Merthsoft: I'm making fun of them because they're talking about "stats" ;)
08:39 <+krisk> i also play squash now every other week and i last fine for over an hour
08:39 < Merthsoft> sir_lewk: oooooh
08:39 <+krisk> jr19 its not required
08:39 < incubus> jr19, it's also psuedo-science bullshit
08:39 <+krisk> cardio != losing fat
08:39 <+krisk> IN FACT
08:39 < incubus> Everyone has a different theory
08:39 < jr19> but wouldnt it make it easier
08:39 < incubus> see now krisk is speculating
08:39 < incubus> that makes no sense
08:39 <+krisk> cardio makes your body more efficient at doign things with as little energy consumption 
08:39 < incubus> yes cardio makes you lose no fat
08:39 < incubus> how true
08:39 <+krisk> not true
08:39 < incubus> now krisk will tell you the real secret to weight loss
08:39 < incubus> and getting ripped
08:39 <+krisk> if you ate 10000kcal a day and ran 15 miutes you wouldnt lose a thing would you
08:40 < Merthsoft> losing weight is pseudo-science
08:40 <+krisk> energy balacne makes you lose weight
08:40 < Merthsoft> everythign is pseudo-science
08:40 < incubus> Merthsoft, lol
08:40 < incubus> krisk, thanks professor
08:40 < sir_lewk> Merthsoft++
08:40 < Merthsoft> the world doesn't actually work guys, everyone is lying to you, and every doctor is always wrong about everything
08:40 <+krisk> cardio is just a way to increase your oxygen consumption (read metabolism)
08:40 < jr19> we should just all do p90x
08:40 < asmand> more muscle mass results in higher base metabolism
08:40 < Merthsoft> we should trust absolutely no one and just bitch about everything and drink gallons of milk every day
08:40 <+krisk> strength exercise also increases post workout oxygen intake
08:40 <+krisk> muscle mass helps too yes
08:40 < incubus> Merthsoft, why you dogging me
08:41 < jr19> i like lifting, it makes my body feel good
08:41 < incubus> Merthsoft, I've read thousands of forums and took a nutrition class
08:41 <+krisk> cardio is good for increasing your endurance
08:41 < incubus> NO ONE agrees on ANYTHING
08:41 < sir_lewk> the trick is to simply build muscle mass so that your body naturally burns more energy
08:41 < sir_lewk> or just fucking eat less
08:41 < incubus> Everyone has some special 'information' that you should know that no one else knows
08:41 < asmand> incubus: I agree with you :)
08:41 < jr19> sometimes it makes me want to walk around with my shirt off and stand in my large front window facing the street
08:41 < Merthsoft> oooooh a single nutrition class and the internets
08:41 < jr19> looking svelte
08:41 <+krisk> well itll take you to a threshold below which you will need other means of increasing your metabolism to lose fat (say below 10%)
08:41 < asmand> incubus: that no one agrees on anything
08:41 < incubus> Merthsoft, yes, that's all you need to see no one agrees
08:41 < sir_lewk> incubus: I'm currently taking a nutrition class as my lab science elective :)
08:41 <+krisk> you guys dont read much scientific articles do you?
08:42 < sir_lewk> best class ever, we get to taste test shit :D
08:42 <+krisk> if you get with the times and read some books or articles you would know this really isnt anything revolutionary
08:42 < asmand> krisk: just a short question: age? :)
08:42 <+krisk> 22
08:42 < asmand> ok
08:42 <+krisk> atheletes know what theyre doing
08:42 <+krisk> so no its not pseudoscience
08:42 < asmand> just wanted to check
08:42 < incubus> the basics of it are not psuedo-science
08:42 < incubus> the bullshit every non-athelete talks about is
08:43 <+krisk> cardio can be a tool in losing weight/fat
08:43 < incubus> You lose energy by doing work, not psuedo science
08:43 < Merthsoft> wait, now, what if your doctor is ALSO an athlete?
08:43 <+krisk> but if your energy intake is balanced then itll justi mprove your endurance
08:43 < jr19> the supplement industry is psuedo-science heh
08:43 < incubus> Merthsoft, My doctor never talks about weight lifting with me
08:43 <+krisk> succesfull atheletes Merthsoft ;)
08:43 < Merthsoft> athletes are obviously better scienctists and scientists
08:43 < Merthsoft> than*
08:43 < incubus> no, they have taken advice or studied themselves and applied it
08:44 <+krisk> im sure michael phelps uses cutting edge nutritional and training sciences
08:44 < Merthsoft> krisk: you mean "cutting edge nutritional and training PSEUDO-sciences"
08:44 <+krisk> hehe
08:44 < asmand> this discussion has made me want to go to the gym again :)
08:44 <+krisk> thinkin about it though
08:44 <+krisk> endurance = being able to do things with a given amount of energy
08:44 < leofox> Michael Jackson is in the dutch top 40 again
08:45 <+krisk> improving your endurance just means you can do more things with a given amount of energy
08:45 < leofox> I wonder if they counted the number of weeks it was in the charts total
08:45 < incubus> Merthsoft, maybe your dietician can clear everything up
08:45 < leofox> or just the number of weeks it's in there this time
08:45 <+krisk> with time youll have to do more and more things to increase that energy need
08:45 < Merthsoft> incubus: what do you want him to clear up?
08:46 < incubus> He can explain to me the scientific rigors of dieting and nutrition
08:46 <+krisk> i think for starters youll actually have to increase your cardio intensity (negative O2 balance) by 10-20% every week for energy requirements to improve at a steady rate
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08:46 < Merthsoft> maybe
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08:46 <+krisk> but im no expert on cardio
08:46 < asmand> well, anyhow, I've gone from a body fat % of 30+ to 18
08:47 < incubus> asmand, you know what I'm talking about right?
08:47 < Merthsoft> i mean, you're saying athletes know what they're doing, and he is an athlete, pretty successful (not pro or anything), he's the fittest guy i know, has a PhD and a degree from med school, and is back in school again
08:47 <+krisk> then theres a good chance he knows his shit
08:47 <+krisk> point?
08:47 < Merthsoft> that is my point
08:47 <+krisk> k
08:47 < Merthsoft> he knows better than you what I should be eating
08:48 <+krisk> a lot of doctors and stuff know nothing about nutrition and sports
08:48 < incubus> Merthsoft, l m f a o
08:48 < asmand> I don't even know what we're discussing
08:48 <+krisk> idk either
08:48 < asmand> or what the "conflict" is?
08:48 < incubus> Merthsoft, I don't believe you.
08:48 < asmand> what the disagreement is
08:48 <+krisk> apparently im giving Merthsoft diet advice without realisign it
08:48 < asmand>  :D
08:49 < Merthsoft> krisk: You started with your "gallon of milk a day" thing, and I said my dietician knows better than you what I should be eating, and you were all "oh yeah, everyone does their job perfectly right"
08:49 < Merthsoft> and then incubus got all "PSEUDOSCIENCE AHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
08:49 <+krisk> when did i say you should drin ka gallon of milk a day?
08:49 < incubus> Who sees a dietician
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08:49 < incubus> Merthsoft, see you don't even know what I was calling psuedoscience
08:50 < Merthsoft> you didn't specifically say i should, but you said you did, and i said i get what i need from my multivitamin and you started talking about all the fat protien and i said i don't need that much and you said i did
08:50 <+krisk> Merthsoft all i did was speculate you probably need more fat than you are eating now, rather than more carbs, which is quite likely unless theres something special about your body that calls for a special diet
08:50 <+krisk> it had nothing to do with milk
08:50 < incubus> Merthsoft, lol wtf what?
08:50 <+krisk> i speculated you probably need more fat than carbs
08:50 < incubus> all the fat protein?
08:50 < Merthsoft> <incubus> Merthsoft, you have a dietician? | <incubus> Dieticians are fucking psuedo-science bullshitters
08:50 < incubus> oh you were talking to krisk sorry
08:50 < asmand> http://rave.irc-galleria.net/k/images01/00/10/57/89/789838.jpg?h=f2025df9ffb5460d63ea8880a936e64c384ea98f&t=1249293824
08:50 <+krisk> the milk thing was just disputing that you can get everything from mutlivitams :P
08:50 < asmand> a much younger me
08:50 < asmand> that
08:50 < asmand> s 
08:51 < asmand> that's about 7 years ago
08:51 < asmand> let myself go since that
08:51 < Merthsoft> <krisk> my gallon of milk has 2300+ calories worth of protein carbs and fats in near perfect ratios | <Merthsoft> yeah i don't really need all that fat | <krisk> yes you do
08:51 <+krisk> you can get skim milk if you dont want the fats from it and itll still be lots of vitamins and minerals + carbs and protein
08:51 <+krisk> ok sorry Merthsoft i only ment to speculate
08:51 <+krisk> but is there a special reason you dont need fat?
08:51 <+krisk> or much of it
08:52 <+krisk> "much"
08:52 < incubus> Merthsoft, I may have gotten it backwards, dietician or nutritionists, one of them doesn't require a degree
08:52 < incubus> It may in fact be nutritionist
08:52 < asmand> krisk: what's the carb/prot/fat ratio in milk?
08:52 < Merthsoft> krisk: yes there is
08:52 <+krisk> uhm calory wise it is 40/30/30 i think in full milk
08:52 < incubus> Merthsoft, are you extremely unhealthy or something?
08:52 <+krisk> Merthsoft you win teh prize then
08:52 <+krisk> your body is fucked up
08:52 <+krisk> grats
08:53 < Merthsoft> it is in fact fucked up
08:53 <+krisk> most people who say they dont need much fat are wrong though
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08:53 < jr19> yeah you really do need fat in your diet
08:53 < Merthsoft> incubus: i've got some things fucked up with my digestive tract
08:53 < jr19> not crappy mcdonalds french fry fat
08:53 <+krisk> carbs have a lot of godo uses but in the common ratios of most diets they are far too high resulting in unused energy which gets stared as fat
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08:54 <+noah_> lol the bots are fighting
08:54 < incubus> Merthsoft, btw I should have made more clear what is psuedo-science is nutrition with weight lifting
08:54 < asmand> krisk: isn't fat from milk saturated?
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08:54 < incubus> "Take this supplement, do these exercises, you will get ripped"
08:54 <+krisk> tehres some saturated fat in it yes
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08:54 <+krisk> nothing wrong with that
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08:54 < incubus> then the other guy says "NO Do NOT do that, that will make you GAIN weight, do this instead and you'll gain muscle"
08:55 < Merthsoft> incubus: you weren't unclear so much as just straight up said dieticians are psuedo-science bullshitters
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08:55 < incubus> Merthsoft, like I said, one of those is
08:55 < Merthsoft> aaanyways
08:55 < incubus> nutritionists or dieticians
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08:55 < Merthsoft> Michael_V: why are you going to feel strange tomorrow?
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08:55 < incubus> I think it's nutritionists now that I looked up Dietetics
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08:55 <+krisk> incubus and then you run into writings of the guy who says those things and has trained 1000s of people
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08:55 < incubus> krisk, exactly
08:55 < incubus> And there's 200 guys with books
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08:55 < incubus> That have trained thousands of people
08:55 < asmand> krisk: cholesterole?
08:55 <+krisk> ketogenic diets where carb intake is extremely low (150grams or less even) and protein and fat intake are very high work too and shift the metabolism to constantly burn fat for energy (true starvation mode)
08:55 < incubus> and they each have a completely different approach
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08:56 <+krisk> incubus no there arent that many
08:56 < incubus> lol are you joking
08:56 <+krisk> not really
08:56 < asmand> krisk: LDL that is
08:56 < incubus> There are thousands of self-help weight loss / dieting books
08:56 < incubus> krisk, you're dumb then
08:56 <+krisk> they may say they have trianed that many, but thats an easy thing to say
08:56 < incubus> there are way more than 200
08:56 < Merthsoft> my mom eats a low-carb diet to manage her diabetes
08:56 < incubus> krisk, oh the training part?
08:56 < incubus> that may be speculative sure
08:56 <+noah_> I eat whatever I can find
08:56 <+krisk> yeah
08:56 < incubus> but there are certainly more books than methods
08:57 <+krisk> you can work at a gym and say youve trained hundreds of people
08:57 < incubus> haha
08:57 <+krisk> or you can be a professional trainer for atheletes and have trained hundreds of those
08:57 <+krisk> while being known for it around the entire world
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08:57 < incubus> everyone has different body chemistry
08:57 <+krisk> and released peer reviewed books
08:57 <+krisk> uhm nobody goes against the laws of thermodynamics :)
08:57 <+krisk> energy in -> out
08:58 < incubus> I had a guy argue that
08:58 < incubus> :)
08:58 < incubus> or at least I spoke to one
08:58 <+noah_> the law is the law
08:58 <+krisk> theres a few raaare cases of diseases that can make it virtually impossible to change your body make up
08:58 <+krisk> but other than that people are just lazy or clueless
08:58 < asmand> oh dear, time for bed
08:58 < jr19> are cashews good
08:58 <+krisk> thyroid problems are pretty much the only excuse
08:58 < incubus> And then You have people who assure you that you can't be healthy unless you are a nutritional expert
08:58 < jr19> or are peanuts better
08:58 <+krisk> real ones
08:59 < asmand> my son will probably wake me up in 5 hourrs
08:59 <+krisk> idk i do peanuts for the fatties
08:59 < asmand> -r
08:59 <+krisk> cashews are slightly better from what i know
08:59 < incubus> krisk, I spoke to a guy who said I couldn't be healthy because I didn't know what monofats were
08:59 < incubus> or something
08:59 < asmand> I have hypothyreosis
08:59 < jr19> i love cashews
08:59 <+krisk> for their specific makeup blub
08:59 <+krisk> mono-unsaturated fats?
08:59 < incubus> ya that
08:59 <+krisk> mono-saturated?
08:59 <+Michael_V> The key to health is almond butter sandwiches
08:59 <+Michael_V> every day
08:59 <+krisk> idk
08:59 < incubus> mono-saturated fats
08:59 <+Michael_V> I must have had at least 4000 so far
09:00 < incubus> "Omg you don't know what mono-saturated fats are?  You are not healthy."
09:00 <+krisk> clearly
09:00 < incubus> verbatim
09:00 < asmand> lol
09:00 <+krisk> what was the fat in fried food
09:00 < asmand> night everyone
09:00 <+krisk> trans?
09:00 <+krisk> night asmand
09:00 < incubus> Don't eat lots of fat, exercise regularly
09:00 <+krisk> thats the only bad fat there is
09:00 < incubus> drink water
09:00 <+krisk> you can eat lots of fat just fine
09:00 < incubus> Do that for a year, and see if you are dead
09:00 <+krisk> look up ketogenic diet
09:01 <+krisk> high protein low carbs high fat
09:01  * incubus sighs
09:01 <+krisk> it works differently, but you can be very healthy with it too
09:01 < incubus> more bullshit diets
09:01 < incubus> yah just like Atkins right? :P
09:01 < asmand> you can be skinny and your cholesterol is way off
09:01 < incubus> I'm sure there are thousands of ways of manipulating body chemistry to achieve a specific results, I'm not sure how tried and true those techniques are though
09:02 < asmand> and you can be chubby, and still have great blood values
09:02 <+krisk> uhm ketogenic diets are applied widely with great results and are even used for suppression of insulin related diseases
09:02 < incubus> It's hard to disagree with a Low Fat diet
09:02 <+krisk> incubus ketogenic diets are very tried and true
09:02 < incubus> krisk, yes, Every doctor recommends a ketogenic diet
09:02 < incubus> hell mine does
09:02 <+krisk> its just a different way of achieving the same results
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09:02 < incubus> I'm sure the Surgeon General recommends high fat, low carbs, high protein
09:02 <+krisk> but doing a ketogenic diet correctly is crazy hard
09:02 < sir_lewk> the surgeon general should recommend smoking for losing weight
09:03 <+krisk> atkisn is a low carb diet right?
09:03 < incubus> 'primarily used to treat difficult-to-control (refractory) epilepsy in children'
09:03 <+krisk> incubus you are being silly
09:03 < asmand> I've met people saying they do LCHF
09:03 < incubus> Ketogenic Diet - 'primarily used to treat difficult-to-control (refractory) epilepsy in children'
09:03 < incubus> Great Diet!!
09:03 <+krisk> just because some people are wrong doesnt mean everyone is
09:03 < asmand> but they somehow forget that LC really should be LC
09:03 < asmand> and not do HCHF :P
09:03 <+krisk> yeah
09:03 < sir_lewk> my nutrition professor was saying that atkins style diets are quite bad for you
09:03 < jr19> mmmm cashew nuts
09:03 <+krisk> seriously, you need a wickedly specific diet plan to do a ketogenic diet
09:04 < jr19> now i want to go buy a big tub of them and eat them by the handful
09:04 < incubus> krisk, that's primarily a child's diet, good looking out for me though
09:04 < incubus> appreciate it
09:04 <+krisk> incubus you are being silly
09:04 < incubus> you are
09:04 < jr19> a guy on my baseball team is doing the atkins diet right now
09:04 < incubus> :)
09:04 < asmand> ketogenic diets seem unnatural to me
09:04 < asmand> I don
09:04 < asmand> t doubt that they work
09:04 <+krisk> actually ketogenic is more natural
09:05 < asmand> but I'm not sure how good they are for you
09:05 <+krisk> western lifestyle has way more carbs than we would eat in nature 10000 years ago
09:05 < incubus> asmand, Like I said, people with inadequate views of dieting passing around psuedo-science data
09:05 <+krisk> but unless youre gonna eat wild buffalos all day its increadibly hard to do it right :P
09:05 < incubus> krisk is being extremely silly and speculative
09:05 < asmand> heh, just waited when that argument came up
09:05 <+krisk> its. not. speculation.
09:05 < sir_lewk> atkins basically makes your body think it's in starvation mode because lack of carbohydrates prevents it from doing normal metabolism.  or something like that
09:05 < incubus> krisk, do periods make you feel more correct?
09:05 < asmand> cave men just ate meat, so we should just eat meat
09:05 <+krisk> it doesnthink its in starvation mdoe it actually hover at being in starvation mode
09:05 < incubus> asmand, I eat people.
09:05 <+krisk> thats why you cant gain weight on it
09:06 <+krisk> incubus these diets come from peer reviewed scientific research
09:06 < incubus> I eat healthy people.
09:06 <+krisk> its not silly backdoor dieticians posting it on their myspace blogs
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09:06 < sir_lewk> my prof was saying something about your body only partially breaking down certain compounds when you're doing it iirc
09:06 < asmand> looking forward to reading the backlog
09:06 < asmand> night
09:06 < asmand> for real this time
09:06 <+krisk> ketogenic diets dont really have an advantage either
09:06 < sir_lewk> not something I'm terribly familar with
09:06 < incubus> krisk, Ketogenic diet is a fucking CHILDRENS diet
09:06 < incubus> ADDRESS that
09:07 <+krisk> wtf is a childrens diet
09:07 < incubus> ........
09:07 <+krisk> eat children?
09:07 <+krisk> no
09:07 < incubus> A diet designed for children
09:07 < incubus> and in this case children with EPILEPSY
09:07 < sir_lewk> children and adults have different dietary needs
09:07 <+krisk> slightly different
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09:07 < asmand> children should not be on diets
09:07 < asmand> imho
09:07 <+krisk> ketogenic is a catch all term dumbass
09:07 < sir_lewk> asmand++
09:07 <+noah_> agreed
09:07 < incubus> asmand, children with epilepsy obviously should
09:07 < leofox> disagree, some children are fat-ass
09:07 <+krisk> diets for epilepsy are in the category of ketogenic diets
09:08 <+krisk> there are plenty ketogenic diet plans that arent exactly like those for epilepsy
09:08 < asmand> leofox: due to eating unhealthy
09:08 < leofox> also kids with allergies
09:08 <+noah_> fat-ass children don't need diets they just need to get off thier ass
09:08 < sir_lewk> fatass kids need to just get more exersize and not eat like a lardass.  I'd hardly say "not eating popsicles for dinner" should be called a diet
09:08 < incubus> krisk, I'll stick with low fat
09:08 < incubus> Call me crazy
09:08 <+krisk> for example, they can be aimed at losing bodyfat rapidly while mainting lean bodymass
09:08 < leofox> sir_lewk a diet doesnt just mean that you have to lose wait
09:08 < leofox> i've been on a diet since I was 2
09:08 <+krisk> aethletes who compete in weightclasses use ketogenic diets for this
09:08 < sir_lewk> well, I have a diet too
09:08 < asmand> BREAK!
09:08 < leofox> i couldnt eat a lot of shit because i got a rash
09:08 < asmand> definitin of terms:
09:08 < leofox> my niece has a diet for her ADHD
09:08 < sir_lewk> it's called "eat whatever I want", not exactly a planned out diet ;)
09:08 < asmand> low fat = ?
09:09 < leofox> or used to at least
09:09 < asmand> high fat = ?
09:09 < asmand> give me numbers here
09:09 <+krisk> your body needs fats you know
09:09 <+krisk> all your organs do
09:09 <+krisk> your skin (BIGGEST organ)
09:09 < incubus> low fat = less than 25g?
09:09 < incubus> of saturated
09:09 <+krisk> idk
09:09 < sir_lewk> by "diet" I mean "lose weight diet", which I don't think kids should really need to do
09:10 < sir_lewk> besides not eating retardedly
09:10 <+krisk> diet means eating plan nothing more nothing less
09:10 < incubus> sir_lewk, what if you weigh 500 pounds at the age of 13
09:10 <+krisk> im on a weightgaining diet :P
09:10 <+noah_> children have easy time changing wight
09:10 < asmand> sir_lewk and krisk just touched on my next definition question
09:10 < asmand> diet = what you eat
09:10 < sir_lewk> kids should eat "normal" and be fine imho
09:10 <+krisk> yes asmand
09:11 < sir_lewk> but whatever, I'm no nutrition major
09:11 < incubus> sir_lewk, according to krisk there's no normal
09:11 < incubus> High fat is fine
09:11  * sir_lewk ==> class
09:11 < incubus> just have low carb, high protein
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09:11 < sir_lewk> some kids eat chips and fries all day long, that's not normal
09:11 < asmand> but in today's society diet has turned to mean "some way of changing what you eat for a short period of time to lose weight"
09:11 <+krisk> im saying its a diet that can work fine unless you ahve some bodily disfunction
09:11 <+krisk> if your total energy intake is the same it doesnt matter what you eat for weightloss
09:11 < asmand> so everyone is on a diet
09:11 < asmand> :P
09:11 < incubus> a Diet should fit in with what you will tolerate to eat
09:11 <+noah_> really I think just being active is better than a diet
09:11 < asmand> all the time :P
09:12 < incubus> If you're on a diet where you eat dogshit, chances are you may not stick with that diet for very long
09:12 <+krisk> but a ketogenic diet will trigger burning fat over storing fat (high carb diet)
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09:12 < asmand> noah_ uses diet in the latter "definition"
09:12 <+krisk> so if youre at a caloric deficiency you will lose fat rapidly on it
09:12 <+krisk> perfect for boxers for example
09:12 <+noah_> yes I use it in a colloquial manner
09:12 <+krisk> or judokas
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09:13 < incubus> krisk, or weight lifters
09:13 <+krisk> yeah bodybuilders
09:13 <+krisk> or olympic weightlifters who need to compete in their chosen weightclass
09:13 <+krisk> bodybuilders are crazy good with ketogenic diets though
09:13 <+krisk> though im sure international level atheletes are too
09:13 < incubus> they don't all have ketogenic diets
09:13 < incubus> this I'm sure of
09:14 <+krisk> im also sure plenty of them dont use ketogenic diets yes
09:14 <+krisk> its just another way of achieving the same goals really
09:14 <+krisk> thats what im saying, wether those goals are just beign healthy or clean and jerking 250lbs at the olympics
09:14 < incubus> btw
09:14 < incubus> Dieting is shit if you have no discipline
09:15 < incubus> you can't start with ANY of this shit if you have no discipline
09:15 <+krisk> if your diet requires that yes
09:15 < incubus> ?
09:15 < incubus> Every diet has to require a degree of discipline
09:15 <+krisk> yeah a degree
09:15 <+krisk> mine doesnt require much
09:15 <+krisk> just eat a shitton
09:15 < incubus> How do I assume that?  No diet says, eat as much food as you can
09:15 <+krisk> and drink a gallon of milk
09:15 < incubus> you're not on an extended lifestyle diet
09:15 <+krisk> actually some do
09:16 < incubus> I'm talking about a longterm healthy lifestyle diet
09:16 <+krisk> you just have to be active enough to balance it
09:16 < incubus> Not I weigh 130 I want to get buffed
09:16 <+krisk> what? because energy intake = lifespan?
09:16 < incubus> krisk, how much do you weigh?
09:16 <+krisk> 190
09:16 < incubus> and you want to GAIN weight?
09:16 <+krisk> yes
09:16 <+krisk> im tall
09:16 < incubus> how tall
09:16 <+krisk> i need another 30-40 lbs
09:17 <+krisk> 64
09:17 <+krisk> 6'4 
09:17 < incubus> meh
09:17 < i_c-Y> stop jerking off.
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09:17 <+krisk> i_c-Y: or jerk off and eat even more to counteract the energy drain :)
09:17 < incubus> I need to figure out how to get rid of this damn Acid Reflux Disease
09:18 < jr19> prilosec?
09:18 < incubus> I think I may have an ulcer or something
09:18 <+krisk> i do need to improve my diet though
09:18 <+krisk> i need to eat more and better things 
09:18 <+krisk> my milk intake is fine but everything else could be slightly better
09:18 <+krisk> well, mroe healthy alternatives to say
09:19 < jr19> i have been having heartburn the last few days and strange stomach feelings
09:19 < jr19> all coming after my binge drinking incident on saturday night
09:19 < jr19> anyway, time to leave work, see ya
09:19 <+krisk> cya
09:19 < incubus> try having it for 4 months
09:20 <+krisk> cause??
09:20 <+Michael_V> so you imbibe poison and then complain about problems?
09:20 <+Michael_V> fascinating
09:20 < incubus> krisk, no idea
09:20 < incubus> krisk, either an ulcer, or Acid reflux or some other disease or illness, I'm going to a doctor in a week
09:21 < incubus> Michael_V, Now we get to argue why Alcohol isn't a poison
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09:21 <+krisk> uhm it is
09:21 <+Michael_V> incubus: No, it's a fact.
09:21 < incubus> Oh I agree
09:21 < incubus> go say that in #politics
09:21 <+krisk> everything can be poisonus so it most certainly is
09:21 < incubus> there's the argument
09:21 <+Michael_V> well I mean in the smallest quantities it's still inherently toxic
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09:22 < incubus> "Everything is poisonous"
09:22 <+krisk> #politics will rage over claiming facts exist in the first place
09:22 < incubus> lol
09:22 <+Michael_V> 1 microgram of most foods aren't toxic
09:22 <+Michael_V> 1 microgram of alcohol is
09:22 <+Michael_V> just because you'll be fine doesn't mean it's not toxic
09:22 <+krisk> i wouldnt say 1 microgram
09:22 <+Michael_V> Do you know what alcohol is? It's the toxic excretions of yeast
09:23 <+krisk> yeah
09:23 <+krisk> but 1 microgram doesnt have much toxic effect does it
09:23 < incubus> Alcohol is a Hydrocarbon chain
09:23 <+krisk> i mean the ld/50 is quite a bit higher
09:23 <+Michael_V> yes
09:23 <+Michael_V> I'm just saying that you are choosing to imbibe poison
09:23 < incubus> 1 Microgram would dissolve in the water in your stomach quite easily
09:23 < incubus> and may never even react
09:23 <+Michael_V> I would expect you could consume 1 microgram daily for life and be fine
09:23 <+krisk> just like you wouldnt say a microgram of water wont hurt you should say 1 mg of alcohol wont hurt either
09:23 < incubus> well eh idk I guess it would
09:23 <+krisk> a liter of water vs a liter of alcohol though...
09:23 <+krisk> then youll be explaining your point m,ore accurately
09:24 < incubus> Ethanol sucks
09:24 < incubus> Would you drink Methanol?  No.  Would you drink Propanol?  No.  Would  you drink ethanol?  sigh.
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09:25 <+krisk> actually most people woudl drink any of those
09:25 <+krisk> if they didnt know it
09:25 < incubus> LOL
09:25 <+Michael_V> yes
09:25 <+Michael_V> I was just about to say that
09:25 < incubus> ?
09:25 <+Michael_V> they should label alcoholic beverages like chemistry labs
09:25 <+krisk> if you substituted alcohol in a drink for one of those they would still drink it
09:25 <+Michael_V> "1L ethanol"
09:25 <+Michael_V> with all of the warnings and such
09:25 <+Michael_V> and see how many people drink them
09:25 < incubus> They should
09:25 <+krisk> because people are stupid
09:25 <+krisk> hwo do they compare though
09:25 < incubus> If you drink Methanol you have serious problems beyond discussion
09:26 <+krisk> what would a drink with 12% propanol do
09:26 <+krisk> they are more toxic than alcohol yes?
09:26 < incubus> kill you
09:26 <+krisk> especially methanol
09:26 <+krisk> yeah
09:26 <+krisk> fun
09:26 < incubus> Wood spirits...
09:26 < incubus> Drinking 1 ml will cause blindness, and as little as 5 ml will cause death
09:26 <+krisk> highschool chemistry ahs been a while
09:26 <+krisk> oh yeah 1 ml was blindness hehe
09:26 <+krisk> good times
09:26 < incubus> that's Methanol, not Ethanol
09:26 <+krisk> uhuh
09:27 < incubus> what is the LD-50 on ethanol?
09:27 <+Michael_V> you hope that the letter "m" never falls off of a sign
09:27 < incubus> The LD50 of ethanol in rats is 10300 mg/kg
09:27 <+krisk> or just dont drink hydrocarbon chains :p
09:27 < incubus> Michael_V, LOL
09:27 < incubus> krisk, my point EXACTLY
09:27 <+krisk> lol drunk rats
09:28 < incubus> obviously some hydrocarbons you need, just don't drink any alcohols :)
09:30 < incubus> btw, THC is highly non-toxic :D
09:31 < incubus> btw does anyone agree the chemical structure of PCP looks ominous?
09:31 < incubus> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Phencyclidine-from-xtal-3D-balls.png
09:31 < incubus> That looks to me like a warning sign "Here is something you don't ever want in your body"
09:33 < ports> i saw my car today
09:33 < ports> it looks freaking badass
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09:35 < incubus> :D
09:35 < incubus> did you get the blue?
09:36 < ports> yep
09:36 < ports> i found it
09:36 < ports> http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs123.snc1/5292_581626718608_37705721_34286026_6220197_n.jpg
09:37 < incubus> ugh that blue is a good color I just like black audis
09:37 < incubus> makes the logo stand out
09:37 < ports> no
09:37 < ports> black audis blend in
09:38  * incubus shrugs
09:38 < ports> when i roll up in my bright blue shiny car.. people will notice
09:38 < ports> ports, has arrived.
09:38 < ports> they will say.'
09:38 < incubus> lol it is the exact same color as my civic
09:38 < incubus> When I look at it, I see my civic! :*(
09:39 < ports> probably similar. ive seen a semi thats the same color too
09:40 <+krisk> incubus yeah it looks intimidating
09:40 <+krisk> erm PCP that is
09:40 < ports> a black audi is intimidating?
09:40 <+krisk> not the car
09:40 < ports> heh
09:40 < incubus> krisk, hahahaah
09:40 < incubus> krisk, yah :)
09:40 <+krisk> and yeah yay THC
09:41 <+patz2009> yay HTC
09:41 <+patz2009> >.>
09:41 <+krisk> for bring forth a type of people that still has the ability to dream in this mad mad world
09:41 < incubus> yay LSD
09:41 <+krisk> yay psylicybin
09:42 < incubus> yay methanol?
09:42 <+krisk> yay
09:42 <+krisk> for blinding dumb russians
09:42 < incubus> I'll give someone 1000$ to drink 5mL of methanol
09:43 <+krisk> make it 10000 and ill do it
09:43 < incubus> deal
09:43 <+krisk> 0.01ml per day
09:43 <+krisk> woo
09:43 < incubus> lol
09:43 < incubus> I think you'd still be a little sick :)
09:43 <+krisk> eh worth it
09:43 < incubus> haha
09:44 < incubus> Has anyone here dranken pure Ethanol?
09:44 <+krisk> i dont think so
09:44 < incubus> Everclear is nearly pure
09:44 <+krisk> would you remember?
09:45 < ports> incubus, yes.
09:45 < incubus> ports, you drank a pure Ethanol solution?
09:45 < incubus> No water Solvent?
09:45 < ports> incubus, not a solution. pure, bone dry ethanol.
09:45 < ports> ok stop talking
09:45 < ports> youre just mixing up random chemistry words.
09:45 < incubus> no I'm not
09:46 < incubus> The first one I didn't mean to say solution
09:46 < incubus> the second one is okay
09:46 < ports> "aqueous ethanol solution"
09:46 < ports> or just "aqueous ethanol"
09:46 < incubus> a pure Ethanol substance*
09:46 <+krisk> PSEUDOSCIENCE this is
09:47 < incubus> ports, there's nothing wrong with saying water solvent
09:47 < ports> incubus, in the context of ethanol, water is not a solvent.
09:48 < incubus> in the context of an aqueous solution, water is a solvent
09:48 < incubus> which is why I asked, no water solvent?  ie No water present?
09:48 < ports> i tire of you
09:48 < ports> what is your point
09:48 <+Michael_V> I've never drank but if I ever did (which I won't), I think I'd ask for a vodka martini - shaken, not stirred.
09:48 <+Michael_V> I wonder if people really ask for that
09:49 <+krisk> vodka martini yes, shaken not stirred no
09:49 < ports> Michael_V, eh.. most people our age dont even know what goes into a martini, let alone how to order it
09:49 < incubus> ports, are you a chem major or something
09:49 <+krisk> you ask the waitress for it?
09:49 < ports> incubus, no
09:49 < incubus> I fucking hate chemistry
09:49 <+krisk> "i would like a martini, please."
09:49 <+Michael_V> chemistry hates you too
09:49 < ports> krisk, no
09:49  * Michael_V watches as all of the plastics and things in incubus's life vanish
09:49 < incubus> ports, where the hell did you get pure ethanol?  Even Everclear is only 95%
09:49 <+Michael_V> (has anyone else seen those commercials?)
09:50 <+krisk> mv are you dutch?
09:50 < incubus> Michael_V, I can hate things and still respect them :P
09:50 < ports> incubus, you must not pay much attention.. im an engineer. i work with ethanol. hell i used to make ethanol at my last job.
09:50 <+Michael_V> krisk: .......no...
09:50 <+krisk> ok
09:50 <+krisk> good
09:50 < incubus> ports, pay attention?  I have seen one conversation with you in the past 6 months
09:50 <+krisk> ports does crazy shit like clean out chemical containers from the inside
09:51 <+Michael_V> How do you clean out chemical containers? from the outside?
09:51 < incubus> ports, Chemical Engineer?
09:51 < ports> krisk, saying "i want a martini" is like saying "i want a steak" .. there's a lot of follow-up questions if thats all you say
09:51 < ports> incubus, mechanical
09:51 <+krisk> depends where you are
09:51 < incubus> Why the hell are you working with ethanol, as a fuel?
09:51 <+krisk> most cafes here it would work fine
09:51 < ports> Michael_V, well you can drop in equipment to clean it... what he thinks he means is confined space entry where you put people physically inside.
09:51 < ports> incubus, why
09:51 <+Michael_V> I know
09:52 < incubus> ports, lol ?  Curiosity?
09:52 < incubus> I'm not sure why a Mechanical Engineer makes ethanol
09:52 < incubus> call me silly for asking
09:52 < ports> Because it's an industrial environment.  Not a place for those lab monkey ChemE's.
09:52 <+Michael_V> you're silly for asking
09:53 <+krisk> what is me silly's number?
09:53 < incubus> Michael_V, you're supposed to say, "silly"
09:53 < ports> The chemical processes for producing ethanol are well known.  ChemE's have no training or knowledge of industrial equipment and new technologies related to it.
09:54 < incubus> ChemE's know all
09:54 < incubus> ports, btw, does ethanol taste like hairspray?
09:54 < ports> no
09:54 < ports> are you a chemE?
09:55 < incubus> lol fuck no
09:55 < incubus> "I hate chemistry"
09:55 < ports> and?
09:55 <+krisk> cheme's would hate it wouldnt they
09:55 < ports> not necessarily
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09:55 < incubus> weird deja-vu, I just had a conversation with a ChemE about him hating chemistry
09:55 <+krisk> they could anyhow
09:56 < incubus> "Aren't you a chemical engineer"   "Yah"  "And you hate chemistry?"   "Don't remind me"
09:56  * incubus shrugged hard and long
09:56 < TD-Linux> chemistry is meh
09:56 < TD-Linux> electrical engineering ftw
09:56 < incubus> ee :D
09:57 < incubus> did anyone see the slashdot article on green pea galaxies?
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09:59 <+krisk> can i have a nonslashdot article about it
09:59 <+krisk> slashdot is retarded
10:00 <+krisk> http://zip.4chan.org/fit/src/1248855873334.jpg
10:00 <+krisk> lol
10:00 <+krisk> save for labor
10:01 <+krisk> bah i suck at going to bed on time
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10:01 < mtgrss111> yo
10:01 <+krisk> oi
10:02 < ports> <+krisk> bah i suck
10:02 < Merthsoft> !qadd <krisk> bah i suck
10:02 <@efneTI86> Quote 1627 added
10:02 < leofox> !quoteurl
10:02 <@efneTI86> http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/
10:03 < incubus> http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Astronomers_Discover_Rare_Green_Pea_Galaxies_999.html
10:04 <+krisk> oh theyre rare?
10:04 <+krisk> wouldnt expect that
10:04 < leofox> !qsay 1618
10:04 <@efneTI86> 1618: <Andy_J> an attoparsec per microfortnight is roughly an inch per second | <Nikky> you are my hero [Added DarkAuron at 2009/06/17 21:46]
10:04 <+krisk> i thought it ment all green peas were galaxies
10:04 < leofox> i actually used wolframalpha to check that
10:04 < Merthsoft> :)
10:05 < leofox> messing with units where you shouldnt is great sometimes
10:05 < leofox> I once calculated how much it would cost if you could power the energy consumption of a human with the electrical grid
10:05 < incubus> lol
10:06 < leofox> about 60 cents in Holland
10:06 <+krisk> cool
10:06 <+krisk> kcal to electrical energy
10:06 < leofox> wtf
10:06 < mtgrss111> all green peas are galaxies
10:07 < leofox> I was just attacked by a hueg moth
10:07 < leofox> luckily i'm still bigger
10:07 < mtgrss111> our galaxy is a green pea
10:07 < ports> lol
10:07 < ports> mtgrss111, where
10:07 < mtgrss111> one day someone will eat it and it's all over
10:08 < ports> sweet
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10:08 < mtgrss111> subatomic particles are green peas
10:08 <@efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
10:08 < mtgrss111> everything revolves around green peas
10:09 < mtgrss111> I'm lobbying for a religion based on these scientific truths
10:09 <+krisk> but then, what are green peas?
10:09 < ports> my nuts
10:09 <+krisk> those are blue
10:10 < leofox> bll weeds
10:11 < ports> my nuts are green
10:11 < ports> from no use
10:18 <+Michael_V> I chopped up my nuts and measured their radioactivity with a geiger counter
10:18 <+Michael_V> http://www.michaelv.org/radiation/brazilnuts.html
10:18 < ports> itd suck if someone punched krisk in the nuts
10:19 <+krisk> ?
10:19 < millinao> huh, i didn't know that brazil nuts had increased radium
10:19 < millinao> the more you know
10:19 < ports> millinao, dont shake your baby
10:19 < millinao> too late
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10:20 <+krisk> shaken not stirred?
10:21 < ports> you nuts would be shaken and crushed
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10:24 < ports> penis munch
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10:26 <+Ox40> ok, so this is the application I want to make, or website -- whichever works best. I want a way to like, make 4chan a chatroom like thing...
10:26 <+Ox40> but not really, anyone have any idea what I mean?
10:29 <+Michael_V> I've never viewed 4chan
10:29 <+Michael_V> but with AJAX I'm sure you can do anything you want
10:30 <+Ox40> mmhm
10:30 <+Michael_V> just look at facebook chat
10:30 <+Michael_V> or michaelv.org
10:30 <+Ox40> I want to be able to 'watch' a thread in real time, not F5 it all the time
10:30 <+Michael_V> that's absolutely possible
10:30 <+krisk> get 4chan firefox plugin
10:30 <+Ox40> What... the FUCK did you make Michael_V? holy crap its amazing!
10:30 <+Michael_V> oh wait
10:30 <+Michael_V> you want this to be on 4chan?
10:30 <+Michael_V> I thought you wanted to make your own website like 4chan
10:30 <+Ox40> well, I kinda do...
10:31 <+Ox40> and im sure I could do better.
10:31 <+krisk> http://4chan.wrathfilledhate.net/
10:31 <+krisk> 4chan extention
10:31 <+Ox40> either way, your site is amazing Michael_V.
10:31 <+krisk> sion
10:31 <+krisk> thread watcher option specifically
10:31 <+Ox40> hmm
10:33 <+Michael_V> you can do anything with AJAX :)
10:33 <+krisk> i think there is also an rss tool
10:33 <+krisk> ajax is overused
10:33 <+krisk> blah
10:33 <+Michael_V> krisk: Have you seen michaelv.org?
10:33 <+krisk> people should leave it untill browsers can render everything with hardware
10:33 <+Ox40> :P
10:34 <+krisk> yeah i just went there
10:34 <+krisk> format c didnt work
10:34 <+krisk> javascript is slow
10:34 <+Michael_V> It could have worked
10:34 <+krisk> windows 3.1 is really suitable
10:34 <+Michael_V> It could have wiped the database and reinitialized it
10:34 <+krisk> ok
10:34 <+Michael_V> the filesystem is a SQL database
10:34 <+Michael_V> whenever you browse files, it's querying in real time
10:35 <+krisk> it couldnt find format.exe
10:35 <+Michael_V> and same for opening
10:35 <+Michael_V> there is no format.exe
10:35 <+krisk> and no fdisk
10:35 <+Michael_V> it's not real :)
10:35 <+krisk> yeah
10:35 <+krisk> shame
10:35 <+krisk> would be cool
10:35 <+krisk> minesweeper worked though
10:35 <+krisk> thats nice
10:35 <+krisk> anyway bye
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10:37 <+Ox40> how long do you think it would take to program a 4chan clone?
10:37 <+Michael_V> I told you I've never been to 4chan
10:37 <+Michael_V> but it sounds like just a discussion board
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10:38 <+Michael_V> I would say to do a discussion board properly, perhaps 250 hours
10:38 <+Michael_V> to really put finishing touches on everything and thoroughly test
10:38 <+Michael_V> I mean to professional standards
10:38 <+Michael_V> you could probably write one in a lot less
10:39 <+Ox40> are you at work?
10:39 < Tahben> professional standards for a message board?
10:39 <+Michael_V> not presently
10:39 <+Michael_V> Tahben: It gets better...we're talking 4chan
10:40 <+Michael_V> He wants to write a 4chan clone, but with all the real-timeness of AJAX (no more refreshing for threads)
10:40 < Tahben> thats funny, because that was the first thing that came to mind after something awful
10:40 <+Ox40> ??
10:40 < Tahben> I knew what you meant by professional standards. 
10:41 < millinao> 4chan clone would be faster, since it has no users
10:41 <+Michael_V> aka everyone in the world will try to exploit it and break it at every junction, both possible and impossible
10:41 <+Ox40> millinao: yepp
10:41 <+Ox40> Michael_V: yeah, I know. Its a good experiment tho...
10:42 <+Ox40> Barrett... damn it. I cant remember my damn password for the LIFE of me
10:42 < Tahben> six asterisks
10:42 <+Ox40> hehe
10:43 < millinao> screw alphanumeric passwords
10:43 <+Ox40> lmao you could probably do that and nobody would notice.
10:43 < Merth_> Tahben: HOW'D YOU KNOW MY PASSWORD?!?!?!?!?!
10:47 < mtgrss111> He knows mine too :/
10:47 <+patz2009> Tahben == she
10:47 < Tahben> I'm surprised mtgrss111 made that mistake.
10:48 < millinao> yeah even I knew that
10:48 < millinao> sheesh
10:48 <+Michael_V> Every time Tahben logs on and I see that Phoenix IP it gives me nightmares
10:48 <+Michael_V> A girl, on IRC, within a thousand miles of me
10:48  * mtgrss111 changes his password
10:48 < millinao> Michael_V is in love
10:48 <+Michael_V> only with calculators and unmarried females
10:48 < Tahben> well...cox has like...4...flag, phx, tuc, and maybe yuma
10:49 < Tahben> I don't live in phx:)
10:49 < mtgrss111> I'm not surprised at all. I know absolutely jack about anybody on this channel.
10:49 <+Michael_V> Tahben: ah
10:49 < mtgrss111> bunch of damn strangera
10:49 < mtgrss111> *strangers
10:49 <+Ox40> so here is my question....
10:49 <+Michael_V> I should say so...I've been in here for 2 hours and no one has commented to me yet
10:49 <+Michael_V> about the news on ticalc.org
10:49  * Michael_V feels unloved
10:49 <+Ox40> Michael_V: uh, nobody reads it... ;)
10:50 < Tahben> dude, I been in #TI since 95, and you still don't know I Have a vag?
10:50 < mtgrss111> news?
10:50 < mtgrss111> theres news?
10:50 < mtgrss111> wtf?
10:50 <+Michael_V> http://www.ticalc.org/rss/news.rss
10:50 <+Michael_V> you should try the RSS feed sometime
10:50 < millinao> nooo
10:50 <+Michael_V> You don't have to check every hour anymore
10:50 <+Michael_V> It's not 1995
10:50 <+Ox40> lol
10:51 < mtgrss111> Sorry
10:51 <+Ox40> hey, here is my question. If I made a 4chan clone with ajax... i mean... it would crash in about 2 seconds with any kind of load.
10:51 <+Ox40> WAY too many connections, no?
10:51 < mtgrss111> I guess the RSS feed is better than checking every month or so.
10:51 <+Michael_V> not at allk
10:51 <+Michael_V> *all
10:51 <+Michael_V> facebook doesn't crash
10:51 <+Michael_V> and that's all AJAX in so many ways
10:51 <+Michael_V> including the chatting
10:52 < millinao> ugh, facebook chat
10:52 <+Michael_V> it will require substantially more server power than a plain webpage, yes
10:52 < mtgrss111> oh
10:52 < Tahben> do any of you have brokerage accounts with fidelity, and have as much a** pain as I do with them?
10:52 < mtgrss111> I had no idea who Michael_V was before today.
10:52 <+Ox40> Michael_V: i mean... i dont even know how I would implement this.
10:52 < millinao> he's a pretty cool guy
10:53 <+Michael_V> What are you doing on a calculator channel then?
10:53 <+Michael_V> if you don't read ticalc.org
10:53 < millinao> his program is included on 84+SE's out of the box
10:53 < mtgrss111> Not talking to you, apparently
10:53 <+patz2009> Michael_V is the shit.
10:53 <+Michael_V> I tried showing a girl in college that on her 84+ SE
10:53 <+Ox40> millinao: what program?
10:53 < mtgrss111> :/
10:53 <+Michael_V> she insisted it must be a different Michael Vincent
10:53 <+patz2009> It's sad to see him go :(
10:53 <+Michael_V> and didn't believe me
10:53 <+Ox40> What app?
10:53 <+Ox40> <_<
10:53 < millinao> areaform? i think
10:53 <+patz2009> yeah
10:54 <+Ox40> ... ooh, those. The ones i immediately delete?
10:54 < millinao> yeah
10:54 <+Ox40> ah
10:54 <+Ox40> alright.
10:54 <+Michael_V> yes, because my app is for middle school students
10:54 < Tahben> pedo
10:54 < mtgrss111> hmm
10:54 < millinao> Ox40 is a middle school student
10:54 <+Michael_V> I would hope you already know the formula for the area of a square
10:54 < mtgrss111> phile
10:54 <+Ox40> hey Michael_V, how did 'I programmed *this* for these calculators' work as a pickup line?
10:54 < millinao> actually for the life of me I can never remember the area of a trapezoid
10:54 < millinao> I just break it down to triangles
10:55 <+Michael_V> Ox40: Well I wasn't using it as a pickup line.
10:55 <+Michael_V> She was already married, but I was using it to test the waters
10:55 <+Ox40> lol
10:55 <+Michael_V> for possible use in the future, to see if it was at least impressive to someone of intellectual persuasion
10:55 < Tahben> I've been working on an app to control a motor for mechanical tv on my 89
10:55 < Tahben> first time I wrote a non-solver.
10:55 <+Michael_V> apparently it wasn't
10:55 <+Michael_V> that or this one was paranoid
10:55 < Tahben> for the 89
10:55 <+Ox40> heh sorry Michael_V
10:55 < millinao> I don't know about you, but if I said that I could definitely drown in the pussy
10:56 <+Ox40> Hey, i have a shitty printer laying around. Anyone know of an app I can use to move the head manually?
10:56 < Tahben> dot matrix?
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10:57 <+Ox40> Tahben: no, inkjet
10:57 <+Ox40> i want a computer-controlled motor, basically.
10:57 <+Michael_V> you can disassemble it
10:58 <+Ox40> I figured a computer-controlled motor with an ink squirter would be a good start.
10:58 <+Michael_V> I know I've seen people do that
10:58 < Tahben> hah, LOGO
10:58 <+Ox40> ?
10:58 < TheStorm> I plan on makeing a gigapixle camera with one of my old scanners :P
10:59 <+Ox40> lololol
10:59 < Tahben> a what now?
10:59 < TheStorm> Its been done and my dad has an old lens for me to use so why not
10:59 <+Ox40> :P
10:59 <+Ox40> thats awesome
11:00 < TheStorm> a gigapixle digital camera, so what if it take a minute to take 1 shot
11:00 < Tahben> url?
11:02 <+Ox40> hehehe
11:02 <+Ox40> can you do that TheStorm?
11:02 <+Ox40> I have a scanner laying around...
11:02 <+patz2009> Tahben: Not exactly the same deal, but similar concept: http://hackaday.com/2009/06/09/130-megapixel-scanner-camera/
11:03 < Tahben> I'm selling off my darkroom, maybe I should repurpose some of the enlargers.
11:06 < leofox> what do you need a darkroom for?
11:06 < leofox> i thought you were a heterosexual woman
11:07 <+Michael_V> I saw her wedding photos...I couldn't tell which was the groom and which the bride
11:07 <+Michael_V> (I'm joking)
11:07 < Tahben> i'm gay for Merthsoft
11:07 < Tahben> yeah you are joking, you moist c*nt
11:07 < Tahben> apparently the long red hair confused you?
11:08 <+Michael_V> yes
11:08 <+Michael_V> in this part of phoenix, men frequently have long red hair
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11:08 < Spengwork> heh Michael_V has to say (I'm joking)
11:08 < Spengwork> troll without shame man!
11:08 <+Michael_V> I'm terrible at being offensive
11:08 < Spengwork> we couldn't tell :V
11:09 < Tahben> don't confuse maricopa with flag
11:09 <+Ox40> WAKING UP TO YOU NEVER FELT SO REALLL!!! :P
11:09 < leofox> Michael_V why is your website windows 3.1
11:09 <+Michael_V> because I like Windows 3.1
11:09 <+Ox40> leofox: to show how shitty windows 3.11 really was... :P
11:10 < leofox> the dos prompt is terrible
11:10 <+Michael_V> I know
11:10 <+Michael_V> I could fix it up some
11:10 < leofox> i keep forgetting backspace is mapped to back
11:10 < leofox> you should block that while in the prompt
11:10 <+Michael_V> oh?
11:10 <+Michael_V> I do
11:10 <+Michael_V> what browser are you using?
11:11 < TheStorm> patz2009, that is exactly what I was planing but my scanner is higher res than that hence gigapixle
11:11 <+Ox40> if I have a db table of message boards, I have a unique id number, a display name and a _____ (it random is /b/)
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11:11 < mtgrss111> for some reason, I can't get specer's assembler to work
11:11 < mtgrss111> it was working earlier, but now it won't.
11:12 <+Ox40> alias?
11:12 < mtgrss111> I think I'm making a mistake with the batch file.
11:12 < leofox> Michael_V i use chrome
11:12 <+Michael_V> I haven't tried it in chrome
11:12 <+Michael_V> but I do block that
11:12 <+Michael_V> perhaps not to chrome's liking
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11:16 < bsparks> Michael_V, you really should force lower colours for your internet browser demo thinger
11:17 <+Michael_V> why?
11:17 < bsparks> if you're going for the 3.1 look...
11:17 <+Ox40> krick
11:17 <+Ox40> krisk *
11:17 <+Ox40> omg he left
11:17 <+Michael_V> You realize that 3.1 supported 16,777,216 colors?
11:17 <+Ox40> shit.
11:17 <+Michael_V> and 65,536 colors?
11:17 <+Michael_V> quite well
11:18 <+Michael_V> just because you didn't have the right driver or used a video card with not enough video memory doesn't mean 3.1 is supposed to look bad :)
11:18 < bsparks> no actually, I didn't realize anyone write newer drivers for it
11:18 <+Ox40> Does anyone _HERE_ know how to get a date_add and date_updated field in mysql to automatically fill accordingly
11:18 <+Michael_V> not newer drivers
11:18 <+Michael_V> at the time it supported it
11:19 <+Michael_V> Ox40: I don't remember offhand but presuming you set it up properly in the database, it should just magically happen
11:19 <+Ox40> yeah, thats where I am at...
11:19 < bsparks> still a nifty site nonetheless
11:19 < bsparks> reminds me of flyakite
11:19 <+Ox40> setting it up properly
11:20 < bsparks> personally I always watned to set up a site that used a TI-83+ for the interface, down to even the regular calculator functions etc
11:20 <+Michael_V> oooh
11:20 <+Michael_V> don't give me ideas
11:20 <+patz2009> lol
11:20 < bsparks> I had something working at one point
11:20 < bsparks> written entirely in JS
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11:20 <+Michael_V> that would be simpler to do even
11:20 < bsparks> though, I had started with parsing BASIC
11:21 <+Michael_V> all you have to do is display the screen in a div with pre
11:21 <+Michael_V> and listen to keystrokes and button clicks
11:21 < bsparks> indeed
11:21 <+Michael_V> the rest is easy
11:21 <+Ox40> lol you nerds
11:21 <+Michael_V> not like designing menus and such
11:21 < TheStorm> Brandonw made a site that used a silverlink to control an 83+ and grab screenshots from it
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11:22 < bsparks> Michael_V, the thing I thought would be best is if someone could go on there, not only use it in place of a regular 83+, but even program a quick BASIC game on there and play :)
11:22 < bsparks> just for shiggles
11:22 <+Michael_V> I did think about a java applet emulator once
11:22 <+Michael_V> but the problem is you'd have to upload a ROM each time
11:22 <+Michael_V> to avoid copyright issues
11:22 < TheStorm> It wasn't real time but you could still control a calculator over the internet.
11:22 < TheStorm> Michael_V, didn't someone do that?
11:23 <+Michael_V> yes
11:23 <+Michael_V> someone years later did that
11:23 < TheStorm> or was it javascript I can't remember.
11:23 <+Michael_V> with flahs
11:23 <+Michael_V> *flash
11:23 < bsparks> texas instruments can't complain if you write your own copycat? :)
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11:34 < BrandonW> TheStorm: it was a black link, actually.
11:36 < BrandonW> Although, I think the code would've worked for anything non-direct USB.
11:39 < Merth_> what a stupid fucking error: Error loading "cards". File contains Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Graphics.Texture2D but trying to load as Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Graphics.Texture2D.
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11:42 < BrandonW> Maybe YOU'RE the stupid fucking error!
11:43 < Merthsoft> O_O
11:43 < Merthsoft> I don't know that I've ever seen you curse before
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11:43 < BrandonW> It happens, especially since the last of the rules have finally disappeared from the channel.
11:44 < Tahben> what/
11:44 < Tahben> ?
11:44 < Tahben> sincewhen?
11:44 < BrandonW> Long ago.
11:44 < Tahben> I swear like a sailor, but I never been fond of excessive swearing in here, because some members might be a bit young and offended by such.
11:44 < Tahben> as they were years ago when I joined and didn't control my mouth
11:45 < BrandonW> People are only offended by excessive swearing?
11:45 < Merthsoft> oh oh
11:45 < Merthsoft> suddenly is just works
11:45 < Merthsoft> fucking bullshit
11:46 < millinao> !k Merthsoft swearing
11:46 -!- Merthsoft was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [millinao: swearing]
11:46 < millinao> hehe
11:46 < BrandonW> !k millinao kick abuse
11:46 -!- millinao was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [BrandonW: kick abuse]
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11:46 < millinao> :(
11:46 < millinao> guess he's not coming back
11:47 < Tahben> my eyesight is getting bad. an ad in my browser looked like bacon sandals.
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11:47 < Merthsoft> oh suddenly we're kicking for swearing becuase BrandonW pointed it out
11:47 < Merthsoft> i dont see you kicking him
11:47 < millinao> i jest
11:48 < Merthsoft> you sux
11:48 < millinao> yeah
11:49 < Merthsoft> my p key is broken
11:49 < mtgrss111> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/834-Red-Faction-Guerrilla
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11:56 < Barrett> who's gonna replace MV?
11:57 < Merthsoft> me!
11:57 < mtgrss111> I will
11:57 < mtgrss111> as soon as i finish pokemon
11:57 < millinao> yeah wtf
11:58 < millinao> i've been waiting on that game for at least 6 months
11:58 < millinao> if it's not out by september i'll be dissapointed
11:58 < mtgrss111> I still need to create 453 32x32 custom sprites
11:58 < millinao> err, disappointed
11:58 < mtgrss111> i only got like 100 done
11:58 < millinao> there's only 150
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11:59 < mtgrss111> 151
11:59 < mtgrss111> I know
11:59 < sir_lewk> MV needs replacing?
11:59 < Barrett> sir_lewk: look at calcg.org
11:59 < Barrett> which will link you to ticalc.org
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11:59 < mtgrss111> millinao, I'm creating 3 sprite for each individual pokemon
11:59 < TheStorm> And Ticalc
11:59 < millinao> oh, for what
11:59 < mtgrss111> animation
11:59 < millinao> ah
11:59 < TheStorm> mtgrss111, you know there are programs that could do that for you :/
12:00 < mtgrss111> it'll look pretty impressive when I'm done
12:00 < mtgrss111> Animate a sprite?
12:00 < mtgrss111> TheStorm: I still need 3 sperate frames
12:00 < millinao> telepathy .NET
12:01 < mtgrss111> and I have to draw them pixel by pixel in calcgs
12:01 < TheStorm> mtgrss111, no i mean convert existing images on teh web into calc readable formats
12:01 < mtgrss111> that's the thing
12:01 < mtgrss111> there are no existing images
12:01 < TheStorm> :/
12:01 < mtgrss111> They are custom
12:01 < TheStorm> then your doing it wrong
12:02 < mtgrss111> I'm doing it my own way
12:02 < TheStorm> I thought you were making a pokemon clone?
12:02 < mtgrss111> I am, but I'm creating sprites that look best on the tiny screen
12:02 < TheStorm> or are you judt making a 'pokemon like' game with the same creatures.
12:02 < mtgrss111> amkiller did it, though it looks like shit in my opinion
12:03 < mtgrss111> if it was a pokemon clone, i'd quit now, because calc84 created TIboy
12:03 < TheStorm> true
12:04 < TheStorm> speaking of which I wonder if any games would fit on an 83+
12:04 < millinao> so are you trying to emulate the game 1:1
12:04 < millinao> at least gameplay wise
12:05 < sir_lewk> hmm :/
12:06 < mtgrss111> I'm trying to make a fun game with pokemonz in it. I'm trying to recreate Red/Blue in a way that is playable AND fun for the TI
12:06 < mtgrss111> no point in even trying if it isn't fun :/
12:07 < mtgrss111> here, look at these. these are a taste of what I've been working on the last few days
12:07 < mtgrss111> http://metagross111.deviantart.com/art/pokesprites-131157034
12:09 < millinao> gotta say, those sprites look sexy
12:10 < mtgrss111> that's the whole point. I spent hours on these
12:11 < mtgrss111> the old ones, the ones that looked liked tifreak's, aren't gonna cut it. they are too small, and were designed originally with color to add detail
12:11 < mtgrss111> amkiller had the right idea, but he or his partner can't draw squat
12:13 < mtgrss111> I can draw way better than I can program :/
12:16 < TheStorm> We should get group together and start a TILP 3, the UI needs a redesign.
12:17 < TheStorm> I mean we can reuse the existing libs just make a new frontend.
12:17 < mtgrss111> everything needs a redesign
12:17 < millinao> hahahahaha
12:17 < millinao> my friend over skype "is torrenting illegal?" (we're talking about illegal torrenting) "dude, you asked me about limewire" "is limewire illegal?"
12:17 < TheStorm> lulz
12:18 < mtgrss111> your friends are idiots
12:18 < millinao> yeah
12:18 < mtgrss111> geez
12:26 < mtgrss111> Castle of the Dhaos fuck yeah
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12:40 < ports> wow..... the people on the bmw forum are nuts.   http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=657268
12:42 < millinao> this color scheme, my eyes
12:43 < ports> the color scheme bothers you, but youre ok with teh topic?
12:43 < millinao> Yeah, most def
12:45 < ports> hrmm...
12:48 < millinao> honestly the repliers are way more annoying than the poster
12:48 < ports> i didnt even look
12:48 < ports> i dont want to be disgusting
12:48 <+Ox40> does gmail work for anyone else?
12:48 <+noah_> yea
12:49 <+Ox40> really?
12:49 <+Ox40> Not Found
12:49 <+Ox40> The requested URL /accounts/ServiceLogin was not found on this server.
12:49 <+noah_> odd
12:49 < ports> works for me too
12:49 <+Ox40> yeah
12:49 < millinao> what do you mean 'i dont want to be disgusting'
12:50 < millinao> you're on the internet
12:50 < ports> err i dont want them to disgust me
12:50 < ports> sorry i was watching tv
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12:59 <+Ox40> !summon krisk
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13:02 < bsparks> Ox40, well, you fucked up there.
13:02 <+Ox40> ?
13:08 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-71-172-215-89.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa
13:08 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
13:10 < bsparks> i_c-Y, I always felt, that if someone really thought they were the last sane person on earth. Then they were really the nuts one.
13:19 < BrandonW> He is, in fact, crazy.
13:19 < BrandonW> We already know this.
13:21 < sir_lewk> insanity is the final recourse for sane men
13:22 < ports> ok wow
13:22 < ports> BrandonW, do you have an asian fetish?
13:22 < BrandonW> No.
13:22 < BrandonW> Why would you ask me that?
13:22 < ports> my friend just got engaged to this girl..  i was going to show you a photo..  http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs148.snc1/5491_629013844075_2402560_36675881_7487536_n.jpg
13:23 < BrandonW> And you singled me out for this?
13:23 < ports> http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs148.snc1/5491_629013883995_2402560_36675888_2251524_n.jpg
13:23 < ports> BrandonW, yes.
13:23 < ports> im sharing with you
13:24 < sir_lewk> lol
13:24 < BrandonW> I care about your friend's Asian fiancee about as much as you care about my calculator ranting.
13:24 <+Ox40> anyone knwo the song "burn one down" by ben harper?
13:24 < ports> BrandonW, but shes attractive
13:24 < ports> http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6728_581651628688_37711630_34286680_5958926_n.jpg  - wowzers!
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13:24 < ports> other than the fat friend on the right... not bad..
13:25 < sir_lewk> I <3 BrandonW calculator rantings :/
13:25 < Merthsoft> did i miss a BrandonW calc rant?
13:26 < ports> http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs179.snc1/6728_581651329288_37711630_34286652_177841_n.jpg  - is that a camel toe i see?
13:26 < sir_lewk> don't make me start linking my pronz
13:26 < mtgrss111> why not?
13:26 < Tari> So the new AvP game is looking pretty sweet.
13:28 < ports> http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6728_581651364218_37711630_34286655_6350089_n.jpg
13:29 < ports> i never got to have sex with the girl in the black bikini in college...  that was sad..  http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6728_581651568808_37711630_34286675_5912615_n.jpg
13:29 < BrandonW> Amazing to take a step back and look at the past 5 minutes of this channel.
13:29 < Merthsoft> ports: stop
13:29 < ports> im done
13:30 < Merthsoft> that's right you are
13:33 < ports> http://leasticoulddo.com/comic/20060812
13:33 < TheStorm> hmm my home server is finally getting some decent uptime, considering its an old celeron with a dying PSU and no fans what so ever I'd say its doing good
13:34 < BrandonW> I think it's amazing we all so desperately want someone to pay attention to us, so we rant about our own little things on IRC.
13:34 < BrandonW> It makes you wonder if they're really worth doing.
13:34 < BrandonW> Sometimes.
13:34 < ports> BrandonW, you should drink more
13:35 < BrandonW> Shut up, ports.
13:35 < ports> it quells those bastard thoughts
13:35 < BrandonW> If it gets me any closer to you, no thanks.
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13:36 < ports> sticks and stones.
13:37 < ports> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2474/3760477200_799f0b1ea5.jpg  - what a cute kid
13:38 < mtgrss111> lol suzimaya haruhi
13:38 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: better IRC than twitter
13:38 < sir_lewk> true
13:38 < mtgrss111> why is she even mentioned in this channel?
13:39 < sir_lewk> at least here our rantings and whatnot fade into obscurity quickly
13:39 < BrandonW> At least people have a choice of looking at your Twitter page.
13:39 < BrandonW> Here you're actively bothering people.
13:39 < sir_lewk> true also
13:39 < i_c-Y> thats why you have /ignore
13:39 < ports> theres an ignore
13:39 < ports> *JINX*
13:39 < i_c-Y> seriously, do you think ports will ever say anything useful?
13:39 < BrandonW> That is a stupid command.
13:39 < BrandonW> You only serve to confuse yourself.
13:39 < sir_lewk> indeed
13:39 < BrandonW> When others talk to him.
13:39 < ports> i_c-Y, to you no..
13:40 < mtgrss111> ports, interesting photo. where did you find it?
13:40 < sir_lewk> /ignore should be reserved for spammers in the case of a negligent op
13:40 < ports> mtgrss111, it was in some guys photo album with photos of his new car
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13:40 < ports> no description or anything on it
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13:40 < mtgrss111> its pretty cool.
13:40 < ports> http://leasticoulddo.com/comic/20060812  - i wonder if the AUDIBOT plates are taken
13:41 < sir_lewk> screw this, I'm drinking now
13:41 < ports> sir_lewk, did i drive you to it?
13:41 < mtgrss111> its weird that figure fits so perfectly on the figure motorcycle
13:41 < sir_lewk> ports: you, and my roommate playing the sax
13:41 < sir_lewk> ;P
13:41 < ports> mtgrss111, i wonder if its not actually just 1 piece.. some artsy sculpture
13:42 < ports> dude.. "AUDIBOT" is available
13:42 < mtgrss111> nope
13:42 < mtgrss111> ports: check the knees
13:42 < mtgrss111> plus......
13:42 < ports> ah true
13:42 < mtgrss111> >_>
13:42 < mtgrss111> I actually own that very figure
13:42 < ports> mtgrss111, you jest.
13:42 < mtgrss111> I do not
13:42 < ports> why
13:42 < ports> wait
13:43 < ports> is that thing only like 6 inches tall?
13:43 < mtgrss111> something like that, yeah
13:43 < ports> ah..
13:43 < ports> i thought it was bigger..
13:43 < ports> but theres nothing really around it for scale
13:43 < BrandonW> _Auron_, are you behind this Stroids thing in the topic? What is it?
13:43 < sir_lewk> it's a nifty little spaceshooter game
13:43 < sir_lewk> that he made
13:43 < BrandonW> For what platform?
13:44 < sir_lewk> for the G1 or iphone, I forget which
13:44 < BrandonW> I shouldn't have to ask in a calculator channel, but yeah.
13:44 < ports> BrandonW, Android
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13:44 < sir_lewk> meh, I'm cool with programming talk in here in general, specially if one of us is actually making something
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13:44 < ports> sir_lewk, dude... hes all about the G1 and Android... hes the anti-iphone gay poster boy..
13:44 < mtgrss111> ports: that kid is actually an anime character in the most overrated anime ever
13:44 < ports> mtgrss111, sailor moon?
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13:45 < sir_lewk> whatever, I just remembered it had a touchscreen
13:45 < mtgrss111> well, more modern than that
13:45 < mtgrss111> The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzimaya
13:45 < mtgrss111> that girl is supposed to be God
13:45 < ports> *yawn*
13:45 < ports> wow... thats a boring name.. i actually yawned in the middle of reading it
13:45 < mtgrss111> only she doesn't know she is God
13:46 < mtgrss111> So people have to keep her entertained and shit so she won't destroy the world
13:46 < ports> lol
13:46 < ports> thats awful
13:46 < Merth_> BrandonW: How's your OS going?
13:46 < BrandonW> I'm stuck on I/O linking, I can't seem to get it working reliably.
13:46 < BrandonW> Kind of in a code writer's block.
13:46 < BrandonW> Not sure where to go next from that.
13:47 < Merth_> :(
13:47 < sir_lewk> are you reverse engineering TI-OS for stuff like that, or are you doing everything from scratch?
13:47 < aksnowman> BrandonW: I/O linking? as in, 2.5mm ports?
13:47 < BrandonW> The most immediate goal is dual booting the TI-OS, because at that point people have an actual reason to install it.
13:48 < BrandonW> aksnowman, yes.
13:48 < ports> ive been putting off writing my new website
13:48 < BrandonW> sir_lewk, I'm reverse-engineering the TI-OS for the lower-level stuff.
13:48 < BrandonW> Such as that, the interrupt code, etc.
13:48 < aksnowman> BrandonW: so what're you having a problem with?
13:48 < aksnowman> more specifically
13:48 < aksnowman> just a bug somewere you can't find?
13:48 < BrandonW> I can't seem to receive the third link packet that TI Connect sends.
13:48 < BrandonW> I'm not sure what it is.
13:48 < BrandonW> I think it's quirkiness with the link assist.
13:48 < aksnowman> or don't have something w/ the implementation/proto right?
13:48 < aksnowman> ahh
13:49 < aksnowman> so it's not recieving it period? or not recognising it for what it is?
13:49 < BrandonW> It appears it doesn't even see the attempt, but like I said, I really don't know what the underlying issue is.
13:50 < aksnowman> and if you connect from a calc and try something, does it glitch out too? or just TI Connect?
13:50 < aksnowman> just spitting out ideas here
13:50 < aksnowman> heh
13:50 < BrandonW> I don't have enough implemented to do that yet.
13:50 < BrandonW> TI Connect silent linking works a little differently.
13:51 < aksnowman> ok
13:51 < BrandonW> It does start to work, just like TI Connect does.
13:51 < BrandonW> I just don't get to the point of failure.
13:51 < BrandonW> So I don't know yet.
13:52 < aksnowman> so are you sure it's replying to the 2nd packet right?
13:52 < BrandonW> I have no reason to think it's not.
13:52 < aksnowman> I'd assume tere's some sort of confirm/whatever packets for tat stuff
13:52 < aksnowman> no reason to think it's not, but haven't confirmed?
13:53 < aksnowman> unlikely since connect's sending its 3rd...
13:53 < aksnowman> just another idea that popped into my head
13:53 < BrandonW> It's also possible TI Connect is just freaking...I'm running extremely low on resources, haven't restarted in months.
13:53 < BrandonW> I've been sacrificing windows the past few days.
13:54 < aksnowman> hahahahaha
13:54 < aksnowman> nice
13:54 < sir_lewk> you could test that by trying to link with a different (ti-os) calc though right?
13:55 < BrandonW> It works with others, but I've also seen it not.
13:55 < BrandonW> So I don't know, I think I'm losing my mind.
13:55 < aksnowman> haha
13:55 < aksnowman> why aren't you restarting windows?
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13:55 < aksnowman> anything major or just don't wanna set stuff back up again?
13:55 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v tsrk] by efneTI86
13:55 < BrandonW> It's just a pain.
13:56 < BrandonW> I usually keep 50+ windows open.
13:56 < sir_lewk> damn
13:56 < aksnowman> hahaha
13:56 < aksnowman> what sir_lewk said...
13:56 < aksnowman> you *need* that much stuff open?
13:56  * aksnowman can't imagine that taskbar
13:57 < BrandonW> It's three levels high.
13:57 < sir_lewk> I use 15-20 virtual desktops with kde but even I rarely have anywhere close to that much open...
13:57 < BrandonW> A lot of it is research, browser windows, etc.
13:57 < BrandonW> I keep a lot of explorer windows open.
13:57 < sir_lewk> gotcha
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13:57 < BrandonW> Two ZDS projects, lots of IDA Pro windows...
13:57 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v dietsche] by efneTI80
13:58 < BrandonW> IM windows, temporary notepad instances..
13:58 < sir_lewk> I often have around 20 random xterms open and spread out everywhere
13:58 < aksnowman> ohh, random idea...
13:58 < aksnowman> tabbed explorer
13:58 < aksnowman> lol
13:59 < aksnowman> also, I need to play w/ IDA more...
13:59 < aksnowman> get more used to actually using it
13:59 < BrandonW> You'd have to be crazy to use anything less.
13:59 < BrandonW> It's one of those must-haves.
13:59 < Merth_> what's IDA pro?
13:59 < BrandonW> Professional disassembler.
14:00 < Merth_> oh
14:00 < Merth_> is it free?
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14:00 < aksnowman> yeah, I've got it, just haven't played w/ it as much as I'd like
14:00 < aksnowman> getting used to using everything
14:00 < aksnowman> Merthsoft: no
14:00 < aksnowman> well, if you know where to look...
14:00 < aksnowman> but legally, no
14:00 < aksnowman> lol
14:01 < BrandonW> Very expensive.
14:01 < aksnowman> isn't it a couple hundred?
14:01 < aksnowman> like 2??
14:01 < BrandonW> It eats up a lot of resources, too.
14:01 < BrandonW> I thought it was like 5.
14:01 < BrandonW> At least.
14:01 < aksnowman> oh? haven't checked in a while
14:01 < BrandonW> There was a time where I'd keep like 6 IDA Pro windows open.
14:01 < Merthsoft> i love this website! http://www.goldmine-elec.com/
14:01 < BrandonW> I can't do that anymore.
14:03 < aksnowman> IDA Pro Standard Licenses start at 539 USD or 389 EUR. 
14:03 < aksnowman> damn, guess I was off a ways, haha
14:03 < sir_lewk> ouch
14:05 < aksnowman> the advanced version (more processors etc supported, I believe) is just over a grand
14:06 < aksnowman> IDA Pro 4.9 Freeware: free for non-commercial use. (posted 02/11/2007)
14:06 < aksnowman> :O
14:09 < Merthsoft> someone buy me this: http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G3060
14:09 < aksnowman> and I'm off...
14:09 < aksnowman> in vegas, and hungry...
14:09 < aksnowman> lol
14:09 < BrandonW> Michael Vincent could've mailed you same thing.
14:09 < BrandonW> you the same thing.*
14:10 < Merthsoft> but would he?
14:10 < BrandonW> Not anymore, he got rid of all his crap.
14:10 < BrandonW> Even his unhealthy processor collection.
14:10 < Merthsoft> dammmmmit
14:10 < Merthsoft> why would he do that?
14:11 < Merthsoft> did he throw out his magnetic strip reader?
14:11 <@chronomex> what's the good word, #tcpa?
14:11 < BrandonW> I think he tried to sell it to me.
14:11 < BrandonW> I have one.
14:11 < BrandonW> He went and grew up on us.
14:12 <@chronomex> I have a MSR too, but it needs the a/d converter to be added
14:12 <@chronomex> it's just a head :P
14:12 < BrandonW> He's in law school and stuffs now.
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14:12 <@chronomex> yeah so I heard
14:12 <@efneTI92> [Netham45] Narf!
14:12 < Merthsoft> why would he go to law school
14:12 < Merthsoft> wtf michael
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14:12 <@chronomex> he's crazy
14:12 < BrandonW> He's good at arguing and BSing stuff.
14:12 < BrandonW> So naturally he's a prime candidate.
14:12 < aksnowman> lol
14:12 < aksnowman> ok, off t find food
14:12 < aksnowman> later
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14:18 < Merthsoft> well
14:18 < Merthsoft> i want his stuff
14:20 < BrandonW> I have a lot of it.
14:20 < TheStorm> heh nice BrandonW 
14:20 < TheStorm> do you have his back lit 86?
14:20 < BrandonW> No, but I have the 73 used to make Mallard.
14:20 < TheStorm> Front Lit*
14:20 < TheStorm> oh wow
14:21 < TheStorm> thats a collectors item
14:21 < Merthsoft> what's a mallard?
14:21 < BrandonW> It's the 73 assembly shell.
14:21 < BrandonW> At the time, believed the only way to run assembly programs on the 73.
14:21 < TheStorm> Merthsoft, the 73's equivalent of Mirage OS
14:21 < BrandonW> The 73's equivalent of ZShell.
14:21 <+patz2009> More like ZShell.
14:21 < Merthsoft> ooh
14:21 < BrandonW> It's a hacked backup more than a Flash application.
14:22 < TheStorm> ahh ok
14:22 < BrandonW> I also have a TI-73 with boot code 1.3004 and OS 1.3004.
14:22 < BrandonW> That's one of the first ones made.
14:22 < BrandonW> It has no built-in assembly support, like most others do.
14:22 < TheStorm> wow, can you backup the OS off of it so that others could have it?
14:23 < BrandonW> Yes, I spent quite a lot of time trying to figure out how to do that (can't send Mallard to it).
14:23 < TheStorm> ahh ok
14:23 < BrandonW> It's where the boot code buffer overflow exploit was born.
14:23 < TheStorm> heh nice
14:24 < Merthsoft> did you get a box of capacitors?
14:24 < BrandonW> I got capacitors, but not a box.
14:25 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/73_1.3004.zip Not signed, obviously...it was hand-built.
14:25 < TheStorm> so could you use something similar to the program you used to unbrick you 84's to backup the os?
14:25 < TheStorm> oh nvm
14:25 < TheStorm> You alrady have it
14:25 < BrandonW> Yes, that's how I did that.
14:25 < Tari> Does anyone happen to have an 89[T] which they don't want/need anymore?
14:25 < Merthsoft> can i have the capacitors
14:26 < Tari> I'm in the market for one.
14:26 < BrandonW> I have an 89Ti that I don't use.
14:26 < BrandonW> If I knew where they were.
14:26 < BrandonW> I've slid the case off the 89Ti about a dozen times since buying it.
14:26 < BrandonW> Brand-spanking new, H$.
14:26 < BrandonW> HW4.*
14:27 < Merthsoft> Tari: I have one that I've done nothing with
14:27 <+patz2009> I've got a HW2 89 floating around somewhere
14:27 < TheStorm> HW3 is better iirc
14:27 < Merthsoft> 89TI
14:27 < BrandonW> I have a HW1 89.
14:27 < BrandonW> Ain't nobody getting that, though.
14:27 < TheStorm> At least I think the HW3 is the one that has better grayscale
14:27 < BrandonW> There was a time when HW1 was best.
14:28 < BrandonW> I don't know if it's true anymore.
14:28 < TheStorm> I think it is
14:28 < TheStorm> But for the 89Ti HW3's are the best
14:28 <+glk> My url has much TI-89 data in Math http://grahamkendall.net/
14:28 < Merthsoft> hi glk 
14:29 <+patz2009> biggest setup ever?
14:29 <+glk> Hi
14:29 < Tari> Merthsoft/BrandonW, interested in selling?
14:29 < Merthsoft> Tari: sure
14:29 < BrandonW> For the sake of keeping the collection intact, I cannot.
14:29 < Tari> Merthsoft, asking price?
14:29 < Merthsoft> uh
14:29 < Merthsoft> 100
14:30 < TheStorm> hmm I needs one too, though my parrents will most likely get one for me if I need it
14:30 < Merthsoft> is that a good price?
14:30 < Merthsoft> i dunno how muich it's worth
14:30 < Tari> There's cheaper (buy-it-now) on eBay
14:30 <+glk> My older TI-89T started actring up and a new OS cured it
14:30 < Tari> The e-tailers are at about $140 for 89Ti.
14:30 < Merthsoft> how much?
14:30 < Tari> There's $90 on eBay.
14:31 < BrandonW> Because you corrupted it with assy programs, glk!
14:31 <+glk> I do not do assy
14:31 < Merthsoft> where?
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14:32 < Merthsoft> oh thre it is
14:32 <+glk> Some lines in the boxes disappeared and math got strange
14:32 < Tari> good, I didn't have to paste that huge link
14:32 < BrandonW> Like 1+1=3?
14:32 < Merthsoft> ok, well 90 then
14:32 <+glk> Like memory failed
14:32 < Tari> I'll keep you in mind, Merthsoft, then.
14:33 < Tari> I'm not commiting to anything right now- just looking.
14:33 < Merthsoft> ok
14:33 <+glk> The TI-89t comes with a USB cable
14:33 <+glk> and CD
14:34 <+patz2009> I got mine on ebay, got the silverlink kit with it.
14:34 < Merthsoft> glk: Do you have your client highlight you on mention of an 89?
14:34 <+glk> I get nothing by mentioning it
14:35 < Merthsoft> I think you're pretty awesome
14:35 < BrandonW> Because he spams 89 help?
14:35 < Merthsoft> Becuase he's glk!
14:35 <+glk> The new one I bought recently was darker gray and had better lettering
14:35 < BrandonW> My url has much TI-83+ data in Calculators http://brandonw.net/
14:36 < TheStorm> shouldn't it calcstuff BrandonW
14:36 < BrandonW> That'll work.
14:36 < TheStorm> or your other "secret" URL?
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14:37 < TheStorm> you need to update allcalcs.jpg now that you have some of Micheal_V's stuff don't you?
14:37 < BrandonW> His is in there.
14:37 < BrandonW> The Mallard 73 is one of them.
14:37 < TheStorm> or at least add you DS slide case
14:37 < BrandonW> That CBL was his, too.
14:37 < TheStorm> your*
14:43 < Merthsoft> where is this allcalcs.jpg thing
14:43 < BrandonW> I'll lay them back out some day.
14:43 < TheStorm> and making it higher res would be cool
14:43 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/allCalcs.jpg
14:43 < TheStorm> ^
14:44 < Merthsoft> that's a lot of calcs
14:44 < Merthsoft> are you gonna grow up on us BrandonW?
14:44 < BrandonW> The four in the upper right were the bricked ones.
14:44 < bsparks> what is the one on the bottom right?
14:44 < BrandonW> Never!
14:44 < BrandonW> That's a CBL2.
14:44 < Merthsoft> good
14:44 < bsparks> the silver thing?
14:45 < Tari> Wow, I feel like an idiot now.
14:45 < BrandonW> With three gray buttons, yes.
14:45 < bsparks> well, it's more grey than silver, but still
14:45 < bsparks> ahh, cool
14:45 < BrandonW> It'd be nice to write an OS/firmware for tha.
14:45 < BrandonW> that.*
14:45 < Merthsoft> i have 3 calcs and that's it
14:45 < BrandonW> It does no validation whatsoever.
14:45 < Tari> I was puzzling about how to draw the terrain map in Charred Terra with 3D primitives, but I needed quads.
14:46 < Tari> But then, duh, two triangles with a shared side makes a quad
14:46 < Merthsoft> maybe 2 if Tari buys from me
14:46 < Tari> :D
14:47 < TheStorm> I have like 7 but most of them are 83+'s with bad LCD's
14:47 < TheStorm> Tari has 1 or two of them atm
14:47 < Merthsoft> i have 2 84+SEs, one's got the little projector port thing
14:47 < BrandonW> I would buy them in bulk from you.
14:47 < BrandonW> I would turn them into little calc servers.
14:47 < BrandonW> Which don't require a display.
14:48 < Merthsoft> calc servers?
14:48 < BrandonW> Yeah, or something.
14:48 < bsparks> calc RAID
14:48 < BrandonW> At least one would be used for the web site remote control thing.
14:48 < BrandonW> Where you control it from a web site.
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14:48 < TheStorm> heh except screen shots look the same as they do in the LCD
14:49 < TheStorm> so they wouldn't work for that
14:49 < TD-Linux> BrandonW, where is the DS slide case?
14:49 < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/slidecase.jpg
14:50 < TheStorm> http://thestorm.taricorp.net/calcstuff/allcalcs.JPG
14:50 < TheStorm> mines not as cool I know
14:50 < Merthsoft> my 89 is in my locker
14:50 < BrandonW> You should hate yourself for owning one of those awful 83s.
14:51 < BrandonW> With the side link port.
14:51 < TheStorm> Hmm I wonder If I could use the laser at my old high school to make a knock off DS silde case :P
14:51 < TheStorm> BrandonW, it was free and it works
14:51 < Merthsoft> TheStorm: what's on the breadboard?
14:51 < TheStorm> I use it for playing gemini :P
14:52 < TheStorm> A Parallel Link :P
14:52 < Merthsoft> ah
14:52 < TheStorm> I plan to solder it together I jsut haven't had the time
14:52 < bsparks> the google voice "choose your number" prompt is kicking my ass
14:52 < BrandonW> I'm missing a CBR, ViewScreen USB adapter, silverlink (sold it), and I guess a parallel link which I never made.
14:53 < ports> bsparks, what phone
14:53 < bsparks> ports, what do you mean "what phone"?
14:53 < ports> bsparks, what phone do you have
14:53 < ports> or are you using the web interface?
14:53 < bsparks> it doesn't matter what phone I have? some cheapasshit samsung
14:53 < bsparks> I am setting up GV now
14:53 < ports> k
14:53 < ports> gotcha
14:53 < TheStorm> BrandonW, what about the pic link, and two other home made links?
14:54 < BrandonW> I guess those, too.
14:54 < BrandonW> And of course the TI-92 E and TI-92 II.
14:54 < bsparks> and I have to pick a number, and keep drawing blanks, aka "no numbers available at this time"
14:54 < BrandonW> And the TI-87 or whatever it is.
14:54 < bsparks> I had a 92 II
14:54 < TheStorm> 87?
14:54 < bsparks> I loved the 92 :D
14:54 < BrandonW> Yeah, the knockoff 82.
14:54 < BrandonW> Or 73 or whatever it is.
14:54 < BrandonW> In France.
14:54 < TheStorm> oh its a 73 i bet
14:55 < BrandonW> TI-76, sorry.
14:56 < Merthsoft> whats a pic link?
14:56 < TheStorm> TI-76.fr
14:56 < BrandonW> It's a French version of the TI-82 stats.
14:56 < BrandonW> Stats.*
14:56 < BrandonW> Which is actually an 83.
14:56 < BrandonW> So screwed up.
14:56 < TheStorm> Datamath.org I take it :P
14:56 < BrandonW> I first learned about it on Omnimaga, actually.
14:56 < BrandonW> I would absolutely buy one if I could.
14:56 < BrandonW> I have an 82 Stats.
14:58 < TheStorm> Yeah Omnimaga is most likely the best place for something like that since DJ_Omni speaks french.
14:58 < BrandonW> I'm also trying to find a 92E and 92II.
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15:00 <@E-J> morning
15:02 < ports> haha
15:02 < ports> i hear they have laws there to make women cover their whole bodies.  the war in I-raq.... try the war to See-Raq..
15:03 <+patz2009> What about that 82 with the viewscreen built into it?
15:04 < BrandonW> I don't have nor will I ever have a ViewScreen model.
15:04 < BrandonW> With the exception of the 81 with the cable permanently tethered.
15:04 <+patz2009> Ah, I suppose that's the one I was talking about.
15:05 <+patz2009> Didn't know if it was an 81 or an 82.
15:05 < Merthsoft> my 84 has a screen port thingy
15:05 < BrandonW> I don't consider the ViewScreen models to be special in any way.
15:05 < bsparks> BrandonW, I'm gonna start mailing you random calculators one day
15:05 < BrandonW> I don't require them for the collection.
15:05 < BrandonW> bsparks, I would love that.
15:05 < BrandonW> Working or no.
15:05 < bsparks> I'll mail you the entire DATAMATH building, in a box
15:06 < bsparks> dude, you know what calc I would pay for?
15:06 < bsparks> an 89 signed by glk 
15:06 < TheStorm> BrandonW, the 86 and 85 may be able to display separate images on the eternal panel, depending on how it is attached to the lcd controller.
15:07 < BrandonW> I doubt it.
15:07 < BrandonW> The ViewScreen port is hooked into the LCD controller itself.
15:07 < BrandonW> And that is hooked into the 85/86's RAM.
15:07 < BrandonW> You cannot manipulate it through code in any way.
15:08 < bsparks> someone ought to write a simple driver for one of those USB 'system monitor' screens they have for PCs
15:08 < ports> BrandonW, so the audi nav system has a programming kit you can buy.. and do code/modification for it
15:08 < Speler> TheStorm, it's yo' bday
15:09 < TheStorm> its yours also :P
15:09 < BrandonW> You mean an LCD that connects through USB?
15:09 < Speler> It is
15:09 < bsparks> BrandonW, http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/7e3e/
15:09 < TheStorm> BrandonW, I mean the display driver supports dual display
15:10 < ports> i look christmasy... red sweatpants and green tshirt
15:10 < BrandonW> What makes you think it does, TheStorm?
15:10 < ports> TheStorm, happy birthday
15:10 < TheStorm> It's Datasheet
15:10 < bsparks> I somehow doubt http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/af32/ would be runnable off of the 84 <.<
15:10 < BrandonW> Ah, that's just an HD44780 probably with a USB interface.
15:11 < BrandonW> Or whatever it's called.
15:11 < BrandonW> Yeah, it says so on the page.
15:11 < BrandonW> You absolutely could drive that with a calculator
15:11 < bsparks> BrandonW, I know the HD44780 is, but the 2nd one I don't know about
15:12 < BrandonW> It's just sucking power off the port.
15:12 <+patz2009> Well, didn't someone get NTSC signals from a calculator before? It can't be that bad to control the other one, I'd imagine
15:13 < bsparks> patz2009, ntsc through the linkport if I recall
15:13 < Tari> benryves did that
15:13 <@E-J> and it was PAL
15:13 < TheStorm> Benryves
15:13 < TheStorm> E-J, I though he did both
15:13 <@E-J> ah
15:13 < TheStorm> nope it was jsut pal
15:13 < TheStorm> http://benryves.com/projects/pal
15:14 <+patz2009> Still, the proof of concept was there, so it still shouldn't be impossible to control that second screen I'd think.
15:14 < Merthsoft> ben ryves is pretty awesome
15:14 <+patz2009> So is BrandonW, lol
15:14 < Merthsoft> yeah
15:14 < Merthsoft> they're my heros
15:14 < TD-Linux> I could make a custom FPGA based interface
15:15 < TD-Linux> but that is also stupid
15:15 < TD-Linux> I could make a hardware emulator of an entire 83+ too
15:15 < TheStorm> I think someone on cemetech made an RGB LED display
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15:16 <@efneTI92> [Randomist] The pycho has entered the channel.  Sound the alarms.
15:16  * BrandonW sounds the alarms.
15:17  * TheStorm runs away
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15:18 <+patz2009> He was evidently psychotic enough to misspell "psycho" in his greet line.
15:18 <@E-J> maybe he is just pychotic
15:19 <@E-J> sounds like not-transliterated russian word
15:19 <@E-J> PYCHOTIC = rusnotis
15:22 < Merthsoft> now that i have all these electronics stuffs, i should mod my calc
15:22 < Merthsoft> stap a picaxe 40x2 in there and make a new OS on that or something
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15:24 < asmand> morning 
15:25 < BrandonW> You should embed a Bluetooth adapter into it.
15:26 < Merthsoft> i have a few of those
15:28 < Merthsoft> i could try it
15:29 < BrandonW> I intend to do it, so let me know how it works out.
15:29 < Merthsoft> i don't really know how to do it
15:29 < BrandonW> Me neither.
15:30 < BrandonW> Essentially we need a tiny switch modded into the side near the USB port, the hardware embedded into it, and the four USB wires from the adapter hooked to the 4 or 5 wires on the USB connector.
15:30 < BrandonW> Which can be disconnected via switch.
15:31 < Merthsoft> i've got soms switches
15:31 < Merthsoft> do you have bluetooth software yet?
15:31 < BrandonW> So that with the switch disconnected, you can plug any standard USB cable into it, but with nothing plugged in, you just flip the switch and you have the adapter connected.
15:31 < Merthsoft> yeha
15:31 < Merthsoft> imma try it
15:31 < BrandonW> I have a pre-alpha driver thingy which can do inquiry scans and basic device connections, yes.
15:32 <@E-J> Merthsoft: maybe you should try to particapate this next or some year http://www.fieldrobot.nl/
15:32 <@E-J> apparently tkk's robot was second this year http://automation.tkk.fi/FieldRobot2009
15:34 <@E-J> i was in 2007 team
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15:35 < bsparks> DAMNIT >.<
15:38 < BrandonW> Quick, somebody convert this to hex: 5174413344875007990519123187618500139954995264909695897020209972309881454541
15:39 <+patz2009> b709d3
15:39 <+patz2009> err wtf
15:40 < Tari> you overflowed
15:40 <+patz2009> just shove it into wolfram: http://www31.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=5174413344875007990519123187618500139954995264909695897020209972309881454541+in+hex
15:40 < Merthsoft> b709d3a0cd2fec08eafccf540d8a100bb38e5e091d646adb7b14d021096ffcd
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15:41 < Tari> Mathematica agrees
15:41 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by etaonrish
15:41 <@E-J> mathematica and wolframalpha are same
15:41 < Tari> BaseForm[n, 16]
15:41 < Tari> close to it, anyway
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15:42 < BrandonW> I'm trying to figure out what Ben is trying to tell us here: http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=8888&pid=135041&st=0&#entry135041
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15:43 < Tari> and that's not the 004 key, I guess
15:43 < BrandonW> No, it's not.
15:43 < Merthsoft> so i need a switch that'll toggle between four wires then?
15:44 < BrandonW> I believe so, yes. You also have to hold a fifth line on the connector low, I think.
15:44 < BrandonW> Or ground it.
15:44 < bsparks> couldn't you just toggle the 5v+ line?
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15:44 < BrandonW> I'm not sure how another device behaves if you have it wired to another dead one like that.
15:44 < BrandonW> I don't like the thought of it.
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15:45 < BrandonW> I'm not sure what key that is.
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15:46 < Merthsoft> i cant get it oooopen
15:46 < Merthsoft> i should probably do this on the normal one though, not the projector one
15:47 < BrandonW> This has me excited.
15:47 < BrandonW> He must have a meaning behind this.
15:47 < BrandonW> He factored something, I know it.
15:47 < bsparks> fuck you google >( my sisters, mothers, and fathers [initial]sparks are all available, just not bsparks
15:47 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: who is that?
15:47 < BrandonW> If any of you have the ability to determine if a large number is prime or not, please check those two smaller numbers.
15:47 < BrandonW> Benjamin Moody./
15:48 < bsparks> ?
15:48 <+glk> There is no simple way to check for a prime
15:48 <+glk> The TI-89 can handle big but not huge primes
15:48 < BrandonW> I have no doubt a calculator can't do this.
15:50 < Merthsoft> hmm, actually if i remove the viewport part, that gives me a convenient spot for the extra hardware
15:50 < Merthsoft> think it'll still work with that just unplugged?
15:50 < BrandonW> I can't find the key in the boot code.
15:50 < Andy_J> http://www32.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=is+5174413344875007990519123187618500139954995264909695897020209972309881454541+prime
15:50 < BrandonW> Assuming it is a key, of course.
15:51 < Andy_J> http://www32.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=is+1325290319363741258636842042448323483211759628292406959481461131759210884908747+prime
15:52 < Andy_J> http://www32.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=is+6857599914349403977654744967172758179904114264612947326127169976133296980951450542789808884504301075550786464802304019795402754670660318614966266413770127+prime
15:52 < ports> dude
15:53 < Tari> wolfram is win?
15:53 < Andy_J> ^
15:53 <+glk> My url has vast mathematica data http://grahamkendall.net/
15:53 < aksnowman> lol
15:54 < ports> you know whos not attractive?
15:54 < ports> saraj jessica parker
15:54 <+patz2009> you know what's not hot?
15:55 < ports> ?
15:55 <+patz2009> ice
15:55 <+patz2009> ice is not hot
15:55 < ports> lol
15:55 < ports> that was so grade school
15:56  * Randomist is apparantly (might be) the only black guy to be majoring for Computer Science at the college he is going to, according to their number-stats.
15:56 < Tari> Number-stats... wow.
15:56 < BrandonW> It's not a 64-byte big integer...
15:56 < BrandonW> So that's a sign it's not a key.
15:57 < BrandonW> At least not one of TI's.
15:58 < Merthsoft> i took apart my 84 http://merthsoft.calcg.org/84guts.png
15:58 < BrandonW> And given the strength is less than 512 bits, it's probably not related to the Nspire.
16:00 < Merthsoft> imma use the hole where the viewport was for the switch, and this bluetooth thing is the size of the thumb nail so it'll fit anywhere
16:03 < BrandonW> Neither number is 32 bytes or even close to it.
16:04 < BrandonW> I have no idea what this is.
16:04 < Merthsoft> here i am working on this little mod you told me to, and you don't even care :(
16:05 < BrandonW> I care. :(
16:05 < BrandonW> I would really like to see it done.
16:05 < BrandonW> Because they would sell on eBay for a lot, I think.
16:05 < Merthsoft> those wires are impossibly small
16:05 < BrandonW> With Bluetooth chat software, that is.
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16:07 <@E-J> tram time before work
16:08 < Merthsoft> oh shit
16:08 < Merthsoft> i need to goto bed
16:09 < Andy_J> bed:
16:09 <@E-J> you realized that because i'm going to work?
16:09 <@E-J> Andy_J & nerd jokes
16:09 < Andy_J> this just in: "goto" actually works in c# >_<
16:10 <@E-J> oh dear
16:10 <@E-J> off from tram ->
16:10 < Andy_J> and you have to use it instead of named breaks or continues
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16:13 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: How would you suggest going about those
16:13 < Merthsoft> i can't solder those wires, they're wayyyy too small
16:14 < BrandonW> Lift the PCB up and see if there are solder points underneath.
16:14 < BrandonW> How come you have space on calcg.org?
16:15 < Merthsoft> there's an LCD in the way
16:15 < Merthsoft> i'm awesome
16:15 < BrandonW> Unsecure it and take the whole thing off.
16:15 < Merthsoft> i dunno how
16:16 < BrandonW> Remove the really small screws still holding the PCB down.
16:16 < BrandonW> And pry the whole thing up.
16:16 < Merthsoft> yeah i've done that
16:16 < Merthsoft> i have the PCB right here
16:17 < BrandonW> Oh, I see what you mean now.
16:17 < BrandonW> I've never taken apart an 84+/SE.
16:17 < BrandonW> I'm used to the old LCD-board-is-attached-but-dangling style.
16:17 < Merthsoft> sadly not here
16:17 < BrandonW> Welp, I don't know.
16:17 < Merthsoft> and i'm afraid i'll break it if i try to pry off the lcd
16:17 < BrandonW> I think Netham's done it.
16:17 <+patz2009> What exactly are you trying to accomplish, here?
16:18 < BrandonW> Wire a switch to the USB port.
16:18 <+patz2009> Oh, I see.
16:18 <+patz2009> The innards of the 84+s aren't as fun as the 83+s
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16:20 < mtgrss111> hey guys, i don't have long here, so i need help with a batch file. anyone on?
16:20 < Merthsoft> oops
16:20 < Merthsoft> i just broke something
16:20 < mtgrss111> :/
16:21 < Merthsoft> yup, broke the screen
16:21 < Tari> fail
16:22 < Merthsoft> :(
16:22 < Merthsoft> maybe the normal 84+SE is put together differently
16:22 < BrandonW> Fail.
16:22 < BrandonW> I claim no responsibility for this.
16:22 < Merthsoft> no worries
16:23 < Merthsoft> you want this calc now?
16:23 < mtgrss111> is there any way to set up a batch file for user input?
16:23 < bsparks> which is easier to remember 25323 or 72426?
16:23 < Merthsoft> http://www.computing.net/answers/dos/making-a-bat-file-to-get-input/12821.html
16:23 < BrandonW> 25323
16:23 < Merthsoft> 25323
16:24 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: You want my 84+SE with its broken screen?
16:24 < mtgrss111> i want the batch file to get to a certain directory then allow me to run a command
16:24 < BrandonW> What did you break? Can you put it back together and see if TI Connect can sense it?
16:24 < Merthsoft> ti connect does
16:24 < Tari> mtgrss111, set /p IIRC
16:24 < mtgrss111> really?
16:25 < Merthsoft> i broke part of the ribbon that connects to the LCD
16:25 < BrandonW> And you can still link with it?
16:25 < Tari> The /P switch allows you to set the value of a variable to a line of input
16:25 < Tari> entered by the user.  Displays the specified promptString before reading
16:25 < Tari> the line of input.  The promptString can be empty.
16:25 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: yes
16:25 < BrandonW> I absolutely want it.
16:26 < Tari> From `help set`
16:26 < BrandonW> You know, I would really like to have an 84+/SE dedicated to being a USB flash drive.
16:26 < BrandonW> With enough space for a floppy image.
16:26 < BrandonW> To boot off it.
16:27 < BrandonW> That's another thing I'd like to accomplish with OS2, a minimal OS with full USB functionality.
16:27 < BrandonW> Taking up a single page (0) and using the extra RAM pages to substitute the write-protected sectors.
16:27 < BrandonW> That gets you at or very darn close to a full 2MB.
16:28 < Merthsoft> http://merthsoft.calcg.org/SCREEN01.BMP that's what i got when i hooked it up
16:28 < mtgrss111> awesome.
16:28 < Merthsoft> http://merthsoft.calcg.org/fail.jpg there's the broken ribbon
16:28 < mtgrss111> I got the batch to work. thanks guys, you're the greatest!
16:28 < BrandonW> Want.
16:29 < Merthsoft> do you want the viewport thing plugged back in?
16:29 < Merthsoft> it may not work anymore i dunno
16:29 < BrandonW> It'd be nice.
16:29 < Merthsoft> ok
16:29 < BrandonW> It's more than I have now.
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16:29 < BrandonW> Fear not, for your failure will be used to further advance the community's efforts.
16:30 < BrandonW> You could always use a small program to remote control it from another calculator.
16:30 <+patz2009> lol fail
16:31 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: I'll let you worry about that stuff
16:31 < BrandonW> You could always just go to Wal-Mart, buy an 84+SE, swap them, and return it.
16:31 < BrandonW> I did that when I tried to disable the write protection on the boot sector.
16:31 < BrandonW> And fried it.
16:31 < Merthsoft> wait, what?
16:32 < BrandonW> I bought an 84+ at Wal-Mart for the sole purpose of disabling the write protection on the boot sector, effectively overwriting it with my own code.
16:32 <+patz2009> Buy another 84+SE. Swap broken one for new one. Return 84+SE. ???? PROFIT!
16:32 < BrandonW> It didn't work, I got frustrated and ran a +12V wire across the Flash pins to intentionally kill it, and then return it.
16:32 <+patz2009> lol
16:32 <+patz2009> nice way to stick it to the man
16:33 < Merthsoft> if the walmarts around here have viewort models i'll do that, otherwise, it's yours for a small fee
16:33 < BrandonW> How small of a fee?
16:33 < Merthsoft> 10 bucks plus shipping
16:34 < BrandonW> I sent a small program to it that kept trying to write a 0 to the last byte of page 7Fh in a loop, and then attempted to apply +12V to one of the Flash chip pins, which per the documentation should work.
16:34 < BrandonW> It seemed to do absolutely nothing.
16:34 < BrandonW> It probably requires removal of the chip to work.
16:34 < BrandonW> And I suck at soldering.
16:34 < millinao> shit, i hate when I'm anticipating really bad news
16:34 < BrandonW> And desoldering.
16:35 < BrandonW> Plus I wouldn't have a programmer to put it in.
16:35 < BrandonW> I wish I knew about programmers and could afford one.
16:35 < BrandonW> I would so do it.
16:35 < BrandonW> Just imagine how much a totally-customized calculator could go for.
16:36 < BrandonW> I could change the key combination to boot.
16:36 < TD-Linux> DO SOMETHING TD-LINUX
16:36 < BrandonW> It would be UNBREAKABLE.
16:36 < BrandonW> NO ONE on Earth could reset it except for me.
16:36 < BrandonW> Not without some hard-core desoldering.
16:36 < BrandonW> And reprogramming and resoldering.
16:37 < Merthsoft> I CANT GET THIS SCREW BACK IN
16:37 < Merthsoft> doesnt matter i guess that
16:37 < TD-Linux> I could build a programmer
16:37 < TD-Linux> I can also fix that screen connector
16:38 < Merthsoft> TD-Linux can do everything apparently
16:38 < TD-Linux> no
16:38 < TD-Linux> I can just solder
16:38 < TD-Linux> and do hardware hax
16:38 < Merthsoft> how could you possibly fix that
16:38 < Merthsoft> it's WAY too small to solder
16:38 < TD-Linux> says who?
16:39 < TD-Linux> 0.5mm pin spacing?
16:39 < BrandonW> You could build a programmer for the 83+ Flash chip?
16:39 < TD-Linux> yes
16:39 < Merthsoft> TD-Linux: probably
16:39 < BrandonW> I'm not totally incompetent and I have a decent soldering station, I actually probably could remove and reinstall it.
16:39 < Merthsoft> really dfucking tiny
16:39 < BrandonW> Build me a prorgammer.
16:39 < TD-Linux> desoldering big SMD chips is not my forte though
16:39 < TD-Linux> Merthsoft, solder has a nice property of only sticking to metal
16:40 < TD-Linux> you can use way too fat of tips and get away with it
16:40 < TD-Linux> BrandonW, will serial port do?
16:40 < TD-Linux> and I need a datasheet
16:40 < Merthsoft> if you shrink that image 25% that's about the actualy size
16:40 < BrandonW> Yeah.
16:40 < BrandonW> You can find the datasheet out there.
16:40 < BrandonW> It's probably on WikiTI.
16:40 < TD-Linux> ok
16:40 < TD-Linux> I need high voltage for this chip?
16:41 < Merthsoft> could you solder that?
16:41 < TD-Linux> Merthsoft, my image viewer resizes images
16:41 < TD-Linux> and anyway
16:41 < BrandonW> Yes.
16:41 < TD-Linux> I have a 129 dpi screen
16:42 < TD-Linux> the calc has an onboard inverter then?
16:42 < TD-Linux> BrandonW, if you want to change protected pages, there is probably a simpler solution
16:42 <@E-J> Merthsoft: weren't you going to sleep
16:43 < Merthsoft> yes
16:43 < TD-Linux> you could just change a few address lines
16:43  * _Auron_ stares at his to-do list
16:43 < BrandonW> The datasheet doesn't say you can.
16:43 < TD-Linux> the protected pages are handled by the MMU, right?
16:43 < BrandonW> It says the last sector of the chip is locked like that.
16:43 < TD-Linux> not by the actual flash chip?
16:43 < BrandonW> I'm not talking about the privileged pages.
16:44 < BrandonW> I'm talking about the actual boot sector.
16:44 < TD-Linux> oh OK
16:44 < BrandonW> The last hardware sector of the Flash chip.
16:44 < BrandonW> It is write-locked.
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16:44 < BrandonW> And the datasheet says you can only do that by applying +12V to one of the pins.
16:44 < TD-Linux> so that needs 12V, but normal ones don't
16:44 < BrandonW> Right.
16:44 < TD-Linux> yeah that is quite common on NOR flash
16:44 < TD-Linux> oh wait this is NOR flash sorry :P
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16:44 < TD-Linux> I was thinking NAND flash because very few devides have NOR anymore
16:47 < BrandonW> What I'd like to do is come up with a reliable, expandable boot image that would look elsewhere for more code with the right key combination, and then flash that by any way possible.
16:48 < BrandonW> On the 84+/SE, there's a second protected sector, 2Fh/6Fh.
16:48 < BrandonW> 2Ch/6Ch, I should say.
16:48 < BrandonW> That whole sector.
16:48 < BrandonW> I don't know how that's being protected, but it's also a boot page so it'd have to be by something similar.
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16:51 < TD-Linux> add tetris if possible as well
16:51 < TD-Linux> within the boot sector
16:51 < BrandonW> Hell, for all I know what I was doing was actually right and it just didn't apply to the 84+/SE Flash chip, who knows.
16:52 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: I'll include the usb bluetooth thing i broke as well
16:53 < Merthsoft> the viewscreen pack is 378.88 and i can't seem to get it without the pack
16:53 < Merthsoft> so it's yours BrandonW 
16:57 < Merthsoft> i need your adddddddressssssss
16:58 < Merthsoft> BrandonW!
16:59 < Merthsoft> :|
17:00 < Merthsoft> Ok, email me your address mcfall_s@denison.edu and i'll send you the calc and bluetooth thing
17:00 <@E-J> he might tell it privatelly
17:00 < Merthsoft> well, now he'll email it because i;'m sleeping
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17:15 <@_Auron_> http://www.wfaa.com/weather/radars/northtexas/animated/ :D
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17:55 < millinao> what RPG game can somebody recommend that isn't combat or action based?
17:57 <@_Auron_> you mean turn-based?
17:57 < millinao> doesn't matter
17:57  * _Auron_ is confused
17:58 < DSP_Lord> gogo Fire Emblem.
17:58 <@_Auron_> ugh fire emblem is boring
17:58 < DSP_Lord> uh, not really.
17:58 < millinao> I was playing fallout 3 and having an awesome time doing all the roleplaying shit and then the guy sent me out to do some quest and then it turned into generic fps 2000
17:59 < DSP_Lord> of course, i find that playing FE is quite fun when you play it, well, for fun.
17:59 < DSP_Lord> and trying to complete everything ever.
17:59 <@_Auron_> millinao: oblivion is fun
18:00 < DSP_Lord> i need to get around to playing that.
18:05 < asmand> I donn
18:05 < asmand> I don't have a good enough computer to play anything new
18:06 < asmand> I just realised that my desktop is 7 years old
18:06 <@_Auron_> aw
18:07  * _Auron_ needs to actually play games again
18:07 <@_Auron_> been too busy coding
18:08 <@_Auron_> yay, looks like the storm is gonna raep this area
18:09 < sir_lewk> yeah, same here
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19:08 <@chronomex> hey, who here lives in Salt Lake City, Utah?
19:09 <@chronomex> because I'm in your miserable city for the next 12 hours
19:09 < millinao> go door to door in the name of athiesm
19:10 <@chronomex> haha
19:10 <@chronomex> I have to sleep, see
19:12 < sir_lewk> go out clubbing... oh wait
19:12 < sir_lewk> ;P
19:13 < millinao> go out drinking after 9PM
19:14 < millinao> or whatever it is
19:15 <@chronomex> heh
19:15 < nicolas> morning
19:18 < millinao> i like how no matter what, if i have a mormon friend they've been to salt lake city at least twice a year
19:18 <@chronomex> lol
19:19 <@chronomex> I'm passing through on the way to defcon
19:19 <@chronomex> came here to stay at a mathematician's house for the night
19:19 <@chronomex> yay math :D
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19:22 <@_Auron_> http://a.imagehost.org/0589/stroids_gameplay.png yay
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19:29 < nicolas> what's the link between mormons + Salt Lake City, is their HQ there ?
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19:35 < millinao> yeah
19:38 < millinao> i wonder if there'd be as many mormons today if joseph smith didn't get assasinated
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20:01 < _Digital> dramatic deaths always get things rolling
20:06  * _Digital slaps DSP_Lord around a bit with a large trout
20:07 <@E-J> chronomex: where do mr. andersson live?
20:07 <@E-J> he is mormon at least
20:26 <@_Auron_> just a few more days and Stroids will be done!
20:27 < millinao> i keep seeing stroids and reading steroids
20:28 <@_Auron_> :P
20:28 < _Digital> what millinao said
20:34 < millinao> omegle: http://pastebin.com/m77cd1c20 :(
20:47 < asmand> me three
20:48 < asmand> E-J: wrote 400 words on my thesis yesterday evening
20:48 <@_Auron_> http://www.wfaa.com/weather/radars/northtexas/animated/
20:48 <@_Auron_> wheeee
20:48 < asmand> time for lunch
20:53 < millinao> man i love omegle
21:21 <@_Auron_> mm almost done drawing capital letters for my custom font
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22:25 <@_Auron_> yay epic storm
22:26 <@_Auron_> ho shit o.o
22:27 <@_Auron_> FUCKTON OF RAIN
22:34  * tr1p1ea is excited!
22:34 < tr1p1ea> finally all my stuff has arrived!
22:40 <@_Auron_> woot
22:41 <@_Auron_> I'm almost done making my font for alpha characters
22:42 <@_Auron_> fuck yeah it's good
22:48 < incubus> _Auron_, port the fucking game to the Itouch/Ipod
22:48 < incubus> no one has a silly android
22:48 <@_Auron_> how about
22:48 <@_Auron_> I'm not going to spend a fucking hundred dollars and enslave myself to apple's rediculous bullshit
22:49 <@_Auron_> and there are a ton of people with android phones
22:49 <@_Auron_> you're just ignorant
22:49 < incubus> Let's list them
22:49 < incubus> 1. _Auron_
22:49 < incubus> 2.    . . .     _Auron_. . .
22:49 < Andy_J> let's list ipod touch/iphone people
22:50 < incubus> ME!
22:50 < Andy_J> me
22:50 < incubus> Me, my sister, my friend
22:50 < Andy_J> bsparks
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22:50 < incubus> Oh my Dad
22:51 < incubus> _Auron_, I'll concede if you at least tell me what those damn grid lines on stroids are
22:51 < incubus> or what causes them rather
22:51 <@_Auron_> the grid is composed of 32x32 tiles (that are actually 64x64 images), and the overlapping radial gradients causes the grid lines to show.
22:52 < incubus> aaah
22:52 < incubus> that's actually kind of a tough fix, no?
22:53 <@_Auron_> alpha only coming from the image data and not the rendering, as I decrease the color values over time and leave alpha at 1.0 in my quad renders. I believe decreasing the alpha instead would fix the 'problem', but the effect actually looks pretty neat, as it has a tile bump-mapping type of look
22:54 < incubus> I demand an option to turn it off
22:54 <@_Auron_> the grid effect or the whole background effect altogether?
22:55 <@_Auron_> I already have an option to disable the bg effect altogether to give a performance boost if that is desired
22:55 < incubus> grid effect
22:55 <@_Auron_> well that's staying
22:56 < incubus> but I demanded an option to toggle it?
22:56 < incubus> As an end user, don't you comply to my demands?
22:56 <@_Auron_> first off, you don't have an android phone
22:56 < _Digital> second off, it doesn't matter
22:56 <@_Auron_> second, you're a typical apple asshole that belittles android for no reason
22:58 <@_Auron_> I'm working on a game for a platform that I'm comfortable with. If you want to make fun of me and assume no one is going to be interested (when I already have over 3 dozen people constantly asking me to finish the game), go fuck yourself.
22:58 <@_Auron_> Don't give me that 'comply to my demands' bullshit. You don't deserve an ear.
22:58 < _Digital> dude, chill
22:58 < incubus> wtf
22:59 < _Digital> he's just yanking your chain
22:59 < incubus> Making fun of you?
22:59 <@_Auron_> I'm good now :P
22:59 < incubus> I love stroids, I definitely wasn't making fun
22:59 < incubus> and btw, They have android emulators :P
22:59 <@_Auron_> opengl is deaddeningly slow on the android emulator.
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23:11 < incubus> _Auron_, It has to be software related
23:11 < incubus> ie lack of hardware?
23:14 <@_Auron_> the android emulator is 100% software, doesn't use hardware for emulation at all. so the opengl rendering is done in software as well
23:14 < incubus> no no, the actual device
23:14 < incubus> I don't know what it has for hardware
23:15 <@_Auron_> erm, G1/Dream has hardware support for openGL ES 1.1
23:16 <@_Auron_> some devices only support 1.0, and even still some only do 1.0 in software because they don't have hardware support
23:16 < incubus> yes but apparently that hardware sucks ass?
23:16 <@_Auron_> uh, why would you say that?
23:16 < incubus> because you're getting huge drops in FPS over relatively minor issues
23:16 < incubus> It wasn't because of a non supported extension was it?
23:17 <@_Auron_> I'm getting huge drops in FPS because I'm using a lot of different dynamic objects and not using VBOs
23:17 <@_Auron_> so data has to be copied over the system bus to the GPU, every frame
23:17 < incubus> I thought you said that wouldn't help things much, guess I misheard
23:18 < incubus> I thought the bottleneck was something you couldn't do much about
23:19 <@_Auron_> that is correct
23:20 <@_Auron_> now if I had full VBO support and DMA, things would be much faster
23:20 < incubus> LOL you don't have DMA?
23:20 <@_Auron_> but the only mobile device that has that is the iphone 3GS, and that even has fucking shaders
23:20 <@_Auron_> uh
23:20 <@_Auron_> almost no mobile device does
23:21 <@_Auron_> not with the GPU anyways
23:21 < incubus> (I'm obviously ignorant to all phone devices)
23:21 < incubus> :(
23:21 <@_Auron_> yeah, most phones have shitty hardware.
23:21 < incubus> I mean I can't exactly blame them
23:21 < incubus> I don't know if 'good' hardware exists at that size
23:21 < Andy_J> I've seen some pretty amazing things on iphone
23:30 < _Digital> !up
23:30 <@efneTI85>  07:59:56 up 19:56, 12 users,  load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00
23:30 <@efneTI80>  07:54:22 up 60 days, 10:20,  0 users,  load average: 0.65, 0.86, 0.75
23:30 < efneTI89>  04:59:55 up 54 days, 13:09,  0 users,  load average: 1.20, 0.39, 0.23
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23:30 < _Digital> nice lag on '92
23:51 < Andy_J> wait, I'm winning?
23:51 < tev> efneTI80's clock seems a bit off
23:52 < Andy_J> ahaha, figures that's the one on mirabel
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