--- Log opened Sun Jul 26 00:00:57 2009
00:03 <+Dantes> Habbo
00:03 <+Dantes> Meh
00:03 <+Dantes> Played that a long time ago
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01:16 < bsparks> Hrm, there HAS to be a small TV around here in a thrift shop or something that has s-video, I am determi
01:16 < bsparks> ned to find one
01:17 <+krisk> cant find svideo -> rgb or to scart?
01:17 < bsparks> well, scart doesn't exist in the states
01:17 < bsparks> and rgb is harder to find than s-video
01:17 < leofox> krisk: the tv needs to support s-video over scart too, or it wont work
01:18 <+krisk> huh
01:18 < leofox> my mothers old TV couldnt handle it
01:18 <+krisk> wierd
01:18 < leofox> SCART isn't exactly one format
01:18 <+krisk> oh no
01:18 <+krisk> but its just wires, nothing fancy
01:18 <+krisk> so maybe another scart connector would work
01:19 < leofox> the tv hardware couldnt handle the s-video signal
01:19 <+krisk> oh it was really missing those pins?
01:19 < leofox> no
01:20 < leofox> it couldnt decode the signal
01:20 <+krisk> wierd
01:20 < i_c-Y> we don't have SCART in america.
01:20 <+krisk> was it really old or something?
01:20 < leofox> i_c-Y: what do you have then?
01:20 < leofox> krisk: yeah, and also really cheap
01:20 < leofox> she has a new one now
01:20 < bsparks> We have Composite Video, Coaxial Cable, RGB Video, S-Video, HDMI all on seperate connectors
01:21 < i_c-Y> coax, component, composite, s-video, hdmi, displayport, dvi.
01:21 < bsparks> and we can't daisy chain anything =/
01:21 < leofox> rgb is a seperate connector?
01:21 < leofox> i only know it as a format over scart
01:21 < i_c-Y> bsparks: maybe you could get a svideo-> RF and a small tv that has coax.
01:22 < bsparks> i_c-Y, yeah, I have a few of those actually
01:22 < leofox> or is that the same as component
01:22 < bsparks> leofox, seperate Red, Green, and Blue RCA jacks =/
01:22 < bsparks> yeah
01:22 < i_c-Y> you either get RGB or YPbPr component video.
01:22 < leofox> oh, my tv has that too
01:22 < leofox> my tv has all these formats too
01:23 < i_c-Y> if the jacks are in order green, blue, red, thats YPbPr.
01:23 < bsparks> my friend had an old HDTV that had red, green, and blue jacks that were ACTUALLY Red, Green, and Blue video signals, and had a manual switch to synch on red, green, or blue
01:23 < leofox> huh
01:23 < bsparks> it came with a VGA->Component or, looked like it, cable
01:23 < bsparks> I think toshiba made the tv
01:24 <+krisk> lol
01:25 < i_c-Y> if you find old sony trinitrons (i dont think i've seen this on any of the rebrands except the sun ones), you'll see RGB, YPbPr, and vga
01:25 < bsparks> yeah
01:28 < Merthsoft> hi guys
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01:29 < i_c-Y> hi Merthsoft 
01:29 < Merthsoft> how;s it going?
01:30 < i_c-Y> alright, you?
01:31 < Merthsoft> pretty ok
01:31 < Merthsoft> i got the box i'm working on set up as a webserver
01:31 < Merthsoft> http://madigan.endoftheinternet.org/ shows the system specs
01:31 < Merthsoft> it's a POS
01:33 < i_c-Y> coppermine is good
01:33 < i_c-Y> its a laptop?
01:33 < Merthsoft> no
01:33 < i_c-Y> strange resolution
01:33 < Merthsoft> strange monitor
01:34 < bsparks> I liked the katmai personally
01:34 < i_c-Y> not a bad processor though - and its not too RAM anemic.
01:34 <+krisk> p3 katmai?
01:34 < bsparks> mhmm
01:34 <+krisk> i had one3
01:34 <+krisk> kicks ass
01:34 < i_c-Y> no, the hot goth alt metal girl, krisk 
01:34 < Merthsoft> it still feels pretty sluggish
01:35 < i_c-Y> that's because you have ubuntu.
01:35 < i_c-Y> and gnome
01:35 < Merthsoft> someone suggested xubuntu
01:35 < Merthsoft> i think it was you
01:35 <+krisk> wat
01:35 <+krisk> ubanto for server?
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01:41 <+krisk> lol i should take a pic of my desk with all the eatings on it from yesterday and today
01:41 < leofox> do it
01:42 <+krisk> stupid shitty phone cam
01:47 <+krisk> http://24.132.239.72/IMAGE_019.jpg
01:47 < leofox> lots of milk
01:47 < leofox> heh
01:47 <+krisk> actually missing 2 liters
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01:49 < i_c-Y> lame setup
01:49 <+krisk> yeah
01:49 <+krisk> why
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02:02 <+krisk> i_c-Y?
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02:35 < ryantmer> Holy crap it's a DSP_Lord.
02:35 < ryantmer> (10 hour late response)
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02:49 < Tyler2> <krisk> http://24.132.239.72/IMAGE_019.jpg => Samsung 2243 on the left?
02:51 <+krisk> 22 inch is lame
02:51 <+krisk> 2343nw
02:52 < Spengo> lol where's Barrett 
02:52 < Tyler2> Ah
02:52 < Spengo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZ1jVO3-OE this cartoon is lulz
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02:53 < Spengo> endless celestial sex sounds pretty awesome though
02:55 < Tyler2> Well here is my yesterday morning adventure
02:55 < Tyler2> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=107837&id=673601248&l=a340cfc993
02:55 < i_c-Y> pwnd
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02:56 < Spengo> huh, you rolled that? doesn't look too bad for being upsidown
02:56 <+krisk> its only 23.5 inch but the resolution is higher than normal monitors
02:56 < bsparks> it's a dodge :D
02:56 < Spengo> looks like mostly just bodywork damage
02:56 < i_c-Y> that's because its american QUALITY
02:56 < Tyler2> It wasn't a full rollover
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02:56 < i_c-Y> AMERICA , FUCK YEAH!
02:56 < Spengo> ah, just onto the side
02:57 < Tyler2> And it can't be fixed, the body is twisted, you can see at the hatch
02:57 < Spengo> oh
02:57 < bsparks> yeah, you can tell from the first 3 or 4 photos it's totaled
02:58 < bsparks> Tyler2, what did you do?
02:58 < Spengo> I like american cars
02:58 < Spengo> nobody else makes V8s like we do
02:58 < Tyler2> Saw a deer, swerved left, entered that ditch, bunch of trees, ok lets get back onto road, so I slam on brakes, get back onto road, immediately skid and do a 180 and enter right ditch going backwards at probably 60km/hr, slide down, and right when the van starts going back up the ditch into the field, the tires grab in, I roll onto side, slide back and back onto tires
02:58 < bsparks> woah
02:58 < Spengo> Tyler2, probably better than hitting the deer
02:59 < Spengo> well maybe
02:59 < Tyler2> Ya, didn't have collision, so if I had hit the deer it would have been golden
02:59 < Tyler2> So if you have comprehensive and no collision, hit the wildlife :)
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03:00 < i_c-Y> Spengo: AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
03:00 < Spengo> indeed
03:01 < Spengo> someone was selling a '67 shelby gt500 cobra for $15k in portland the other day
03:01 < Spengo> it was pretty and I wanted it :<
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03:08 < bsparks> oooo, ahhhh, http://eshop.macsales.com/item/ATI%20Technologies/100436014/
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03:11 < bsparks> err, wron link
03:11 < bsparks> meant to paste the modbook pro link
03:17 < bsparks> synergy killed my link ><
03:17 < bsparks> http://www.axiotron.com/index.php?id=modbookpro
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03:21 <+krisk> http://24.132.239.72/IMAGE_020.jpg
03:21 <+krisk> now with cat
03:23 < bsparks> lol dell keyboard :p
03:24 < bsparks> what game is that?
03:24 <+krisk> best keyboard ever
03:24 <+krisk> Prototype
03:24 <+krisk> its kinda lame
03:24 < bsparks> ah, cool
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03:29 <+krisk> http://zip.4chan.org/fit/src/1248542530839.jpg
03:29 <+krisk> huhlol
03:31 < ryantmer> Anybody have an idea where I could find a blue acrylic marker that would the colour of a '78 BMW motorcycle?
03:31 < ryantmer> *colour as
03:33 < i_c-Y> nope - though you might be able to find the same color at an auto shop or something
03:34 < Barrett> what's the screw bit called that looks like a star? (5 points, not torx)
03:35 < i_c-Y> torx is 6 points...
03:35 < Barrett> right
03:36 < Barrett> the one I'm thinking of has 5, unlike torx
03:36 < Barrett> because usually when you say "star" people say torx
03:36 < i_c-Y> is it tamperproof torx?
03:36 <+krisk> Bristol
03:36 < i_c-Y> i think those arent6 stars
03:37 < Barrett> those are 6 as well... I think they just have the hole in the middle
03:37 < i_c-Y> http://www.camcarsolutions.com/torxplus_trds.asp
03:38 < Barrett> probably torx plus is what means 5
03:38 < Barrett> 'cause on google images there are a ton of 6 sided "tamper proof torx"
03:39 < Barrett> nope just kidding
03:40 < i_c-Y> is torx plus what you're looking for?
03:40 < i_c-Y> and whats the screw on anyway
03:41 < Barrett> external hard drive
03:41 < Barrett> enclosure
03:41 < Barrett> trying to take the drive out
03:42 < i_c-Y> you could try a small flathead.
03:42 < Barrett> did
03:42 < Barrett> it bent the flathead
03:42 < Barrett> (it doesn't go right down the middle, so everything gets messed up)
03:42 < i_c-Y> does it have a security post?
03:43 < Barrett> what's that?
03:43 < i_c-Y> is there a metal stick that is in the middle of the screw?
03:43 < Barrett> there's just a little bump
03:44 < Barrett> doesn't come up very high
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03:44 < i_c-Y> is the screw recessed?
03:45 < Barrett> not sure what that means
03:45 < i_c-Y> take a picuter
03:46 < i_c-Y> picture
03:46 < i_c-Y> of the screw
03:46 < Barrett> I doubt you'll be able to see very well, it's like an inch and a half down (is that what you meant by recessed?)
03:47 < i_c-Y> yes
03:47 < i_c-Y> who made the external, seagate?
03:47 < Barrett> yes
03:47 < i_c-Y> id try attacking it with different sizes of phillips and flatheads - thats how people open it without buying the bit
03:48 < Barrett> yeah, I've tried all of my flatheads
03:48 < Barrett> I only have a few that are long enough (I can't use any of my bit sets)
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03:48 < i_c-Y> does phillips fit in?
03:48 < Barrett> I tried with those, but not as long
03:48 < Barrett> I can try again
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03:49 < i_c-Y> worst case, you could probably drill out the screws...
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03:52 < i_c-Y> http://www.wihatools.com/300seri/364_IP.htm is probably what you want if you cant get it out with just phillips and flathead
03:52 < i_c-Y> which shouldn't be too bad as long as it doesnt have a post in the cetner
03:53 < Barrett> well, that's 6 sided
03:55 < i_c-Y> either way, if your flatheads bend, don't buy so cheap tools nexttime.
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04:30 <+nygren> IT'S WORKING
04:30 <+nygren> IT'S WORKING
04:30 <+nygren> IT'S WORKING
04:30 <+nygren> IT'S WORKING
04:30 <+nygren> IT'S WORKING
04:30 <+nygren> IT'S WORKING
04:30 <+nygren> IT'S WORKING
04:30 <+nygren> !radio
04:30 <+nygren> ow, wrong channel
04:31 < jr19> holy crap
04:31 <@Nikky> hi asmand 
04:31 <+nygren> darn alcohol
04:33 < asmand> hi Nikky 
04:33 < asmand> long time since I've put my.... eh... virtual foot here
04:34 < millinao> !k nygren
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04:35 < millinao> huh he didn't come back
04:35 < mokomull> thank the gods
04:38 < bsparks> oooh, that was a fun game :D
04:45 < i_c-Y> asmand: longer time since you got that foot up your ass
04:45 < i_c-Y> how are you, asmand ?
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04:50 < i_c-Y> hello KermM 
04:51 <@Nikky> oh no
04:51 <@Nikky> it's a kermsaurous rex
04:52 < i_c-Y> hi Nikky 
04:52 < i_c-Y> !t  Welcome to the #TCPA
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04:56 <@efneTI92> [Dantes] <-- This person really is Dantes for sure. Anyone without this infoline is not.
04:56 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Dantes] by Remius
04:56 <+Dantes> Hi again
04:57 < i_c-Y> not you again
04:57 < bsparks> I actually got genuine enjoyment for a good period of time out of an MZX game
04:57 < i_c-Y> you're a mac user, you don't know joy.
04:58 <+Dantes> Not me again?
04:58 < bsparks> you're a heartless prick, everyone wind :D
04:58 < bsparks> *wins
04:58 <+Dantes> Hey Fred
04:58 < bsparks> hi
04:58 <+Dantes> How're you?
04:58 < bsparks> ok
04:58 < i_c-Y> Dantes: howd that contest go?
04:59 <+Dantes> Are you referring to the songwriting thing?
04:59 < i_c-Y> yea
04:59 <+Dantes> It went okay, I guess.
05:04 < Merthsoft> !t Welcome to the #TCPA
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05:05 < i_c-Y> Welcome to the NHK :|
05:06 < i_c-Y> someone convinced me to read that in HS.
05:06 < i_c-Y> partially
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05:12 <@efneTI92> [Storm|wrk] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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05:20 < bsparks> http://i39.tinypic.com/2lc1vs2.jpg
05:22 <+Dantes> Heh Fred
05:22 < leofox> lolhitler
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05:53 < bsparks> What are your guy's opinions on USB video cards?
05:54 < Storm|wrk> bsparks: output or input?
05:54 < bsparks> Output
05:54 < Storm|wrk> hmm no clue
05:55 < Storm|wrk> I'd assume there pretty sucky but IDK.
05:56 < bsparks> hmm
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06:00 < Speler> Check google?
06:00 <+krisk> lol 12MBps video output
06:00 < bsparks> yeah, that's what I am doing
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06:00 <+krisk> good for cli?
06:02 < bsparks> ah, none support quartz, not a requirement, but it'd be nice...
06:06 < bsparks> I really ought to see if I can find a flat Cat5/e cable anywhere local
06:09 < asmand> *yawn*
06:13 < mokomull> flat Cat5 cable?
06:13 < mokomull> whatever for
06:14 < bsparks> connect my tablet pc to the router
06:14 < bsparks> which is on the 2nd floor, I am in the basement
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06:22 < Tribal> Hey everybody
06:22 <+krisk> hi
06:23 < Tribal> Is there a difference between .tar.gz and .rpm install packages?
06:23 <+krisk> yes
06:23 < Tribal> is one 'better' than the other?
06:23 <+krisk> for what purpose?
06:24 < Tribal> the actual use of the program
06:24 <+krisk> i dont think so no
06:24 <+krisk> rpm packages can be managed
06:24 < Tribal> ah
06:24 <+krisk> tar.gz is just compressed file archive
06:25 < TD-Linux> bsparks: you mean quartz extreme?
06:25 < TD-Linux> they are compressed framebuffer devices
06:25 <+krisk> compare rpm to msi and tar.gz to zip
06:25 < TD-Linux> they use VNC-like compression
06:25 < TD-Linux> stuff like consoles etc should be usable
06:27 < Tribal> ah, mk
06:27 < Tribal> thx krisk
06:27 <+krisk> both are greatly suprerior to what i compared them to but i hope you get the idea
06:27 <+krisk> np
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06:28 <@efneTI92> [Grue_] It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
06:28 < tev> .tar.gz and .tgz files also usually contain source code (and often must be compiled) whereas .rpm often contains the actual executables (though source RPMs do exist).
06:29 < Tribal> ah
06:29 < Tribal> I kinda knew what .tar.gz and .tgz was, kinda new to the .rpm thing though
06:29 <+krisk> redhat package manager
06:30 <+krisk> lol at my work the guy who burned the redhat cd's labeled them Redhead
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06:49 < BrandonW> I have to say, the TI-Basic Developer wiki is a well-done, comprehensive, and accurate wiki.
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07:04 <+krisk> halp
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07:04 <+krisk> i need to find an animated emitocon of getting kissed and melting
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07:09 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
07:13 <+krisk> woo found it
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07:13 <+krisk> http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s39/cowmoos/emoticons/cute-small/melting_emoticons.gif
07:13 <+krisk> :)
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07:19 <+krisk> isn't it cute?
07:21 < TD-Linux> krisk, LOL that was me
07:21 <+krisk> what?
07:24 < leofox> krisk: roos was op tv net 5 minuten geleden
07:25 <+krisk> :o
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08:01 < BrandonW> If you confuse TI Connect and tell it you're some strange model, it'll assume you're a TI-83 Plus.
08:01 < BrandonW> Now you know.
08:06 < TD-Linux> http://fukung.net/v/11166/110b4a27fce222dafb1056c4877367a6.jpg
08:06 <+krisk> <TD-Linux> krisk, LOL that was me
08:06 <+krisk> wat
08:06 < TD-Linux> the gif
08:06 <+krisk> wat
08:07 <+krisk> it was you when?
08:07 < TD-Linux> I don't feel like explaining further
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08:44 < bsparks> http://gizmodo.com/5322761/phonevision-the-death-of-physical-media-started-in-1951 too bad the VCR was invented 20 years later
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08:45 <@efneTI92> [_Auron|G1] We called it Sin.
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08:51 < BrandonW> Out of all the third-party OSes out there, what's the one thing you wish you could do that none of them offer you? http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=83Plus:OS:TIOS_Alternatives
08:53 < sir_lewk> hmm
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08:53 < BrandonW> It doesn't look like any of them do math.
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08:54 < sir_lewk> yeah, good math support would be nice
08:55 < BrandonW> I've been working on this nonstop and I don't want to stop until I hit a point that it means something.
08:55 < sir_lewk> I guess a full CAS would probably be out of the question, still, more math
08:55 < BrandonW> Meaning offering something that the others don't.
08:56 < BrandonW> The goal is to incorporate everything we've ever come up with.
08:56 < BrandonW> Symbolic included.
08:56 < sir_lewk> some sort of mechanism to allow the user to write their own functions (in some sort of basic I guess). like the 68k's have?
08:56 < BrandonW> At least the bigger things.
08:57 < BrandonW> Yeah, definitely.
08:57 < BrandonW> But I don't even have a parser yet. :(
08:57 < BrandonW> Or any concept of a system context.
08:57 < BrandonW> I'm hardcore into linking right now.
08:57 < i_c-Y> Id like a CAS. even tables based (like the 89) would be nice.
08:57 < sir_lewk> using input and disp to implement math programs is rather quite limited :)
08:57 < BrandonW> I want full TI Connect support before I stop, if nothing else.
08:58 < BrandonW> Maybe even direct USB.
08:58 < i_c-Y> dual bootability
08:58 < sir_lewk> that'd be nice too
08:58 < sir_lewk> if possible
08:58 < i_c-Y> and ti 83+ support.
08:58 < BrandonW> It has TI-83 Plus support.
08:58 < sir_lewk> slick
08:58 < BrandonW> Dual booting the TI-OS?
08:58 < i_c-Y> ya
08:58 < BrandonW> Well...
08:58 < sir_lewk> via absurd amounts of magic?
08:58 < BrandonW> I guess that's not entirely out of the question.
08:59 < i_c-Y> ethernet support 
08:59 < i_c-Y> so we can have an irc client on it
08:59 < sir_lewk> lol
08:59 < BrandonW> It will include as many USB drivers as possible.
08:59 < BrandonW> And if that ever gets written, that counts.
09:00 <+glk>  My ti-89t started messing up so I put in the os again
09:00 < sir_lewk> we need an efneTI83 hosted on an 83+ :P
09:00 < BrandonW> TI-83 Plus support implies TI-73 support, by the way.
09:00 < sir_lewk> my 89Ti has been going strong for 3 years apparently.  I think it now counts as the most stable OS install I've ever had ;)
09:00 < sir_lewk> oh, nice
09:01 < i_c-Y> C compiler and SUS compliance :)
09:01 < sir_lewk> POSIX compliance
09:01 < sir_lewk> also free ponies
09:01 < i_c-Y> itd be cool if CP/M ran on TI calcs...
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09:01 < BrandonW> Dual-booting the TI-OS sounds like the strongest thing right now.
09:01 < sir_lewk> ok, seriously though
09:01 < BrandonW> Imagine being able to switch between the two oncalc.
09:02 < sir_lewk> some sort of decentish filesystem with directory support
09:02 < sir_lewk> directories inside of directories even.  show up those 68k noobs :)
09:02 < BrandonW> I'm not redesigning the filesystem, we're keeping the VAT but with built-in folder support and support for the extra RAM pages.
09:02 < sir_lewk> ok
09:03 < BrandonW> I want existing programs to either continue functioning or be piss easy to modify.
09:03 < BrandonW> To support it.
09:03 < sir_lewk> right, makes sense
09:03 < i_c-Y> mirageOS compatibility built in
09:03 < sir_lewk> how does crunchos work?  does it unzip programs before running or something?
09:03 < sir_lewk> something like that could be neat
09:04 < BrandonW> It'll have the ability to run any nostub or shell program.
09:04 < i_c-Y> will you have an SVN repo for this or something?
09:04 < sir_lewk> how about apps?  is that possible?
09:06 < BrandonW> It'll support all existing programs and Flash applications.
09:06 < BrandonW> The SVN repository is at http://brandonw.net/svn/calcstuff/OS2/
09:07 < sir_lewk> I love the name :)
09:07 < BrandonW> The idea here is "the TI-OS done right."
09:07 < BrandonW> It's not some wacky Linux-like OS.
09:08 < bsparks> BrandonW, go the extra mile, just call it, OS/2 ;)
09:09 < BrandonW> My philosophy is that at its core, the TI-OS is a good thing. TI just butchered a lot of potential, and this is to bring it back the hard way.
09:09 < BrandonW> I do it so you don't have to.
09:10 < BrandonW> I had intended to add a lot more Flash with this, but if not, we could dual boot the TI-OS.
09:10 < BrandonW> Would anyone actually use that?
09:10 < i_c-Y> i want a 83+ beowulf cluster
09:11 < i_c-Y> dual boot the TI-OS? probably every highschool kid
09:11 < i_c-Y>  who installs it
09:11 < i_c-Y> plus if you wanted to test compatibility with both on one calculator
09:11 < sir_lewk> dual booting would be nice up until the point where OS2 could reasonably replace TI-OS (can graph and do math)
09:11 < BrandonW> Yeah, but I intended to break the way the TI-OS handles with variables. If I dual boot it, when you switch the TI-OS is going to freak.
09:12 < BrandonW> deals with variables*
09:12 < sir_lewk> hmm
09:12 < BrandonW> I'll work around it somehow.
09:12 < BrandonW> But yeah, I'm liking this.
09:12 < BrandonW> How in the world I'll do it, I don't know.
09:12 < BrandonW> But I'm liking it.
09:12 < sir_lewk> can you have OS2 mark it's variables as hidden so TIOS doesn't know about them?
09:13 < BrandonW> That's one thing I was thinking ofl
09:13 < BrandonW> of.*
09:13 < BrandonW> There's still potential for instability for when you run programs, but don't do stupid stuff and it'll be okay.
09:13 < sir_lewk> right
09:14 < sir_lewk> wth, "John Greco sent John Luke Greco 1 FedEx Standard Overnight Package"
09:14 < sir_lewk> email from TrackingUpdates@fedex.com
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09:17 < krisk> hi
09:17 < krisk> gh
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09:19 < sir_lewk> hello krisk
09:20 < BrandonW> Yeah, I can see it...very do-able. You can dual boot the TI-OS.
09:22 < sir_lewk> awesome
09:22 < BrandonW> It might take a minute or two to switch.
09:22 < BrandonW> But for on-the-fly OS switching, I think that'll be okay.
09:23 < sir_lewk> how would the bootloader stuff work?  would OS2 just have an option to chainload TIOS or something?
09:24 < BrandonW> You'd send OS2 to your calculator like usual, and that would be the only OS you'd have. In a menu somewhere you'd have the option to receive a version of TI-OS, and it would receive it over the link and save it. And then from some other menu, you choose to boot the TI-OS.
09:24 < BrandonW> As far as going back to OS2, I'll have to patch the TI-OS to allow it when you hold down a certain key or something.
09:24 < BrandonW> The TI-OS is going to need patching no matter what.
09:24 < BrandonW> This would specifically support it, not any other.
09:25 < BrandonW> You couldn't dual boot OS2 and LIFOS, for example.
09:25 <+krisk> http://disc.420chan.org/weed/src/1248560708021.jpg
09:25 <+krisk> olol
09:25 < sir_lewk> interesting
09:25 < sir_lewk> lol, nice krisk
09:25 < BrandonW> Hrm...
09:26 < BrandonW> This might not be possible on the 73/83+./
09:26 < bsparks> I need more local friends interested in old tech =\
09:26 < BrandonW> Initially I won't support dual booting on the 73/83+, but it could be done by saving a 64KB AppVar or something.
09:26 < BrandonW> There's just not enough space.
09:27 < sir_lewk> oh well
09:28 < BrandonW> This really should be a temporary measure anyway.
09:28 < sir_lewk> right
09:28 < i_c-Y> bsparks: you need more friends.
09:28 < bsparks> Yeah, that too
09:37 <+krisk> http://disc.420chan.org/420/src/1248431117474.png
09:37 <+krisk> woo haha
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09:46 < BrandonW> I was hoping nobody noticed that Free83P bug last night, but Benjamin Moody e-mailed me on it. :(
09:46 < BrandonW> He might be the only one actually paying attention to it.
09:47 < BrandonW> Since it's pretty useless by itself, I mean.
09:50 <@Nikky> pimp
09:53 < BrandonW> I'm glad, because anyone who ran it before then wouldn't be able to install Flash applications anymore.
09:53 < BrandonW> All you'd have to do is send it and run it again, but still.
09:54 < BrandonW> Actually there were two bugs, the first was that it just plain didn't work.
09:54 < BrandonW> So no harm done.
09:55 < BrandonW> Except that I look like an idiot.
09:56 <+krisk> its ok
09:56 <+krisk> you look pretty smart to me
09:57 < BrandonW> The illusion is intact!
10:02 <+krisk> http://tinyurl.com/trustnogoblin
10:02 <+krisk> woah
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10:42 < ryantmer> Why does efneTI86 refuse my CTCP chat requests?
10:42 < ryantmer> Am I missing a step? I don't really remember tbh
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10:56 < i_c-Y> ryantmer: try identing first?
10:57 < i_c-Y> -efneTI86- /MSG efneTI86 IDENT <password> [handle]
10:57 < i_c-Y> -efneTI86- This lets the bot recognize you from a new address. You don't need to specify a handle if your handle is the same as your nickname on IRC.
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11:04 < Spengo> !t Welcome to the #TCPA | Save the whales!
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11:06 < BrandonW> No no, Scar the Shoals!
11:06 < BrandonW> Or Salt the Phagel!
11:06 < Spengo> :V
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11:07 < i_c-Y> BrandonW: you need to put a string like that in the OS too. Something like "Bad Wolf" though.
11:08 < Spengo> how about ascii porn
11:08 < BrandonW> Not very hidable when it's open source and all.
11:08 < Spengo> not meant to be hidden
11:14 < Merthsoft> hi guys!
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11:20 < Merthsoft> guys, is there a way on linux to see what someone else is doing? I know "w", but it's not specific enough
11:22 <@Nikky> err
11:22 <@Nikky> I guess you could tail their bash history file
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11:23 < bsparks> I managed a hard lock on a linux computer :p
11:24 < i_c-Y> spy on them
11:24 < i_c-Y> ask them
11:24 < i_c-Y> you can also see what they're running
11:24 < i_c-Y> using ps / top/ htop
11:24 <@Nikky> kill them
11:24 < BrandonW> I agree with Nikky
11:25 < Merthsoft> kill them?
11:25 <@Nikky> Thanks
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11:59 < sir_lewk> yes, if you kill them then you know that they arn't doing anything
12:02 < BrandonW> "Now what?" "Now we wait and see if he got the message." "And what happens if the enemy is on the other side?" "Well, they could be blowing their noses right now."
12:02 < BrandonW> I'm watching Stargate SG-1: Children of the Gods: Final Cut.
12:03 < BrandonW> I don't like it, they've butchered it.
12:04 < BrandonW> And it's only a partial redoing of the gate special effects.
12:04 < BrandonW> So you're left with inconsistency within a single episode.
12:05 < i_c-Y> sir_lewk: not if they have a script running :)
12:08 < BrandonW> Oh hell no...
12:08 < BrandonW> They put the SG-1 season 9 / Atlantis wormhole effect in it.
12:09 < BrandonW> That's just wrong.
12:11 < BrandonW> They changed the MacGyver line to jerryrig.
12:11 < BrandonW> They pretty much took out everything cool.
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12:18 < i_c-Y> waiting for keyboard replacement tralalalalala
12:20 < ReDeEm> hey, has anyone experienced Open Office's problem with line spacing?
12:20 < i_c-Y> every time ive called lenovo tech support, they havent disappointed.
12:22 < ReDeEm> _someonnneee_
12:23 < i_c-Y> yes, someone has
12:23 < i_c-Y> and the solution is to switch to microsoft office
12:23 < i_c-Y> since microsoft is superior in all ways
12:23 < ReDeEm> i_c-Y: alright, you pay for it 
12:23 < i_c-Y> i did
12:23 < ReDeEm> I do think real office is better, but I cant afford that shit.
12:23 < i_c-Y> go to school and get it through msdnaa
12:24 < ReDeEm> mmhm, alright. But I need it tonight.
12:24 < BrandonW> Or piratei t.
12:24 < BrandonW> pirate it.*
12:24 < i_c-Y> im surprised that a juvenile delinquent like you didn't pirate it
12:24 < ReDeEm> Thus, we are at Square _1_.
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12:24 < ReDeEm> BrandonW: : I dont pirate Anything made by Microsoft ;)
12:25  * incubus stabs ReDeEm
12:25 < BrandonW> I'm a huge pirate, I make no secret of it.
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12:25 < BrandonW> I can afford it, but I pirate it anyway.
12:25 < i_c-Y> criminal
12:25 < i_c-Y> i don't practice the dark art of piracy
12:25 < BrandonW> There's a circle of hell reserved just for me.
12:25 < chronomex> heh
12:25 < i_c-Y> hello chronomex 
12:25 < chronomex> I'm a racist, I make no secret of that
12:25 < i_c-Y> do you condone piracy?
12:26 < chronomex> yes
12:26 < ReDeEm> <_<
12:26 < i_c-Y> do you condone terrorism?
12:26 < chronomex> when you give me money I wil
12:26 < chronomex> l
12:26 < i_c-Y> jeez, i am not a terrorist!
12:27 < BrandonW> "Hey, what do you call a doctor that dropped out of medical school?" "What?" "A dentist." "haha, yeah, dentists...who needs 'em?" "Yeah, especially the blacks and the jews."
12:27 < BrandonW> I like Seinfeld.
12:27 < i_c-Y> sir_lewk: do you have a warranty on your thinkpad?
12:36 < incubus> BrandonW, What do you call a medical school student who graduated last in his class?
12:36 < incubus> A doctor.
12:38 < BrandonW> They've redone a lot of the dialogue.
12:38 < BrandonW> It just feels awkward.
12:38 < BrandonW> Maybe I've seen the first episode too many times, I don't know.
12:38 < BrandonW> But this feels worse than the original.
12:39 < ReDeEm> how stupid is this: OO doesnt let you put in a hex code for text color
12:40 < chronomex> sounds typical
12:41 < ReDeEm> its just like... if I were programming it... I would go "Ok, so lets have the color determined by a hex color... and give a block of defaults that selects a pre-determined hex code
12:41 < ReDeEm> I cant imagine it would be EASIER to make it this way...
12:43 < BrandonW> They made the little eyes on the larval Goa'uld glow.
12:43 < BrandonW> That's just stupid.
12:43 < ReDeEm> larval Goa'uld ?
12:44 < BrandonW> That's the wrong term, I mean the symbiote.
12:44 < ReDeEm> symbiote?
12:44 < ReDeEm> WTF?
12:45 < BrandonW> Do you know anything at all about Stargate SG-1?
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12:48 < ReDeEm> <_<
12:49 < ReDeEm> lmfao I cant find the right color...
12:49 < ReDeEm> but if I select one color, then _SELECT_ the text, it becomes almost the EXACT color I need
12:52 <@Nikky>  Hi BrandonW 
12:53 < ReDeEm> SERIOUSLY, even mspaint lets you select a different color with an eyedropper
12:53 <@Nikky> What are you complaining about?
12:55 < ryantmer> i_c-Y, thanks for the ident tip, completely forgot about that :D
12:56 < ReDeEm> Nikky: Open Office...
12:56 < tev> Openoffice.org tends to make it a pain to select custom colors without setting them up beforehand.
12:56 < ReDeEm> Oh, and get this: a girl I work with went home early and got off of work early today and completely tomorrow because she has a bruised muscle...
12:56 < i_c-Y> seriously, what the fuck are you doing that you need to specify colors by hex code in open office?
12:57 < ReDeEm> i_c-Y: I need to match a color ... not perfectly, but visually, from about wrist height and about 3-8 feet scrutinizing distance.
12:58 < Barrett> hey, any other TI sites with non-crappy news?
12:58 < Barrett> aside from ticalc.org and brandonw.net
13:01 < BrandonW> The one thing they've done right is they've made it much more obvious why Teal'C chose to turn at the end.
13:01 < BrandonW> It was more apparent how disgusted he was with what he was doing and O'Neill was reading him.
13:02 < TD-Linux> ReDeEm, indeed the huge list of colors is gross
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13:05 < ReDeEm> TD-Linux: s/huge/tiny/
13:05 < ReDeEm> god I could do this so much quicker on my laptop... why am I not using it?
13:06 < ReDeEm> brb
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13:09 < BBSplat> colorfulrific!
13:09 < TD-Linux> !k BBSplat OMG PONIES
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13:09 <+Genolo> auto rejoin deserves another kick
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13:10 < TD-Linux> I would but my rainbow script is currently inoperative
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13:10 < chronomex> I don't have a rainbow script \o/
13:10 < DSP_Lord> ^
13:10 < ReDeEm> alright...
13:11 < BBSplat>                                                                                             
13:11 < BBSplat>                                                                                             
13:11 < BBSplat>                                                                                             
13:11 < BBSplat>                                                                                             
13:11 < BBSplat>                                                                                             
13:11 < ReDeEm> Now I currently have TWO of the EXACT same gateway laptops sitting in front of me, both doing two different things and being used at the same time.
13:11 < BrandonW> Somebody ban this guy.
13:11 < TD-Linux> on it
13:11 < DSP_Lord> ^
13:11 < TD-Linux> I want to practice with DCC too
13:11 < TD-Linux> so noone touch him :(
13:11 < ReDeEm> lol
13:11 < Barrett> !k BBSplat
13:11 -!- BBSplat was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [PollTroll]
13:11 < ReDeEm> Why is there no !kb ?
13:11 < TD-Linux> >:(
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13:12 < ReDeEm> FUCKKKK I dont have winword on my other laptop either!
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13:12 <+Genolo> look TD-Linux he's back- or not
13:12 < ReDeEm> hmmm I thought I had a CD...
13:12 <+Genolo> i wanted to see a kickflood
13:13 < ReDeEm> but, photoshop should actually be good enough :)
13:13 <+Genolo> i am saddened now
13:13 < DSP_Lord> baw more.
13:14 < ReDeEm> haha, you want some fun, youtube "sick beats" omg awesome
13:14 < ReDeEm> I realize now that I am a drummer at heart, because I can listen to a beat and be happier than listening to a song
13:15 < Merthsoft> O_O
13:15 < ReDeEm> -_-
13:15 < Merthsoft> what the hell was BBSplat
13:16 < BrandonW> I'm overwhemled by the stupidity of this channel right now.
13:16 < Merthsoft> :(
13:16 < Merthsoft> even me?
13:16 < BrandonW> You're what's keeping me sane.
13:17 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to the #TCPA | Save the whales! | <BrandonW> I'm overwhemled by the stupidity of this channel right now.
13:17 < Merthsoft> alright
13:17 < ReDeEm> not to bring that stupidity right back, but  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDGahwWMZFM&feature=related == great beat
13:17 < ReDeEm> And "My Dick" the song has a sick-as-shit beat behind it, plus its a funny song...
13:17 < ReDeEm> Just FYIs
13:17 < TD-Linux> #tcpa-fyi
13:18 < Merthsoft> ReDeEm: Look up Travis Barker playing Superman it hink?
13:18 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: Start on that new transfer program at all?
13:18 < ReDeEm> OHMYGOD Barker is my hero
13:18 < BrandonW> No, OS2 is top priority right now.
13:18 < ReDeEm> he looks like he is trying to poop a watermelon when he plays... poo it right out onto his throne... he doesnt sit, he crouches
13:18 < Merthsoft> imma see blink-182 live in a coiuple months
13:19 < Merthsoft> BrandonW: what's os2?
13:19 < BrandonW> http://www.ticalc.org/
13:19  * DSP_Lord slaps TD-Linux around a bit with a large trout
13:19 < Merthsoft> you rox, BrandonW 
13:20 < Merthsoft> any way i can help with that?
13:21 < BrandonW> Not that I know of.
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13:21 < BrandonW> At least initially, it's going to be hard-core coding by just me.
13:21 < BrandonW> Once there's a solid foundation...
13:21 < BrandonW> Then maybe we can look at other developers.
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13:22 < Merthsoft> Well, if there's anything non z80 i can help
13:22 < ReDeEm> lmfao im glad im alone, im dancing to this song like a moron... 
13:22 < chronomex> !k ReDeEm Randomist
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13:23 < ReDeEm> <_<
13:23 < BrandonW> If I think of something...
13:23 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o chronomex] by efneTI86
13:23 -!- ReDeEm was kicked from #tcpa by chronomex [ReDeEm]
13:23 < Merthsoft> but i don't know a whole lot of z80, much to my attempts
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13:23 <@chronomex> !k ReDeEm Randomist
13:23 -!- ReDeEm was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [chronomex: Randomist]
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13:23 < ReDeEm> Can I know whats going on now?
13:23 <@chronomex> you're randomist, right?
13:23 < ReDeEm> ...
13:23 < ReDeEm> no...
13:23 < ReDeEm> im Ox40
13:24 < BrandonW> Even worse.
13:24 -!- mode/#tcpa [+b BBSplat*!*@*] by efneTI86
13:24 -!- BBSplat was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI81 [Banned: 7d #tcpa is not a sandbox]
13:24 <@chronomex> well you're emulating randomist
13:24 < ReDeEm> how so?
13:24 < TD-Linux> whoa he even rejoined
13:24 <@chronomex> irritating me, for example
13:24 < ReDeEm> ... 4 kicks in a row for nothing?
13:24 <@chronomex> well
13:24 < ReDeEm> if I was an op and did that, nikky would throw a tantrum
13:24 <@chronomex> there was a lot of irritating shit in the backlog
13:24 <@chronomex> that's because Nikky doesn't like you
13:25 < ReDeEm> chronomex: if its not irritating enough at the time to warrant a !k, its not worth a backorder...
13:25 < BrandonW> We're in defensive kick-everything-stupid mode right now.
13:25 < BrandonW> And you qualify.
13:25 <@chronomex> always have
13:25 < ReDeEm> BrandonW: ah. At least you give a reason.
13:25 < ReDeEm> Thanks.
13:26 < TD-Linux> Shall I attempt to restore order?
13:26 < DSP_Lord> this place has order?
13:26 < DSP_Lord> lies.
13:26 < ReDeEm> Hold on, quick interjection: Has anyone stopped to think that maybe the 'defensive kick-everything-stupid' mode actually ADDS to the stupidity of this channel?
13:27 < ReDeEm> Just trying to be sensible.
13:27 <@Nikky> Yeah, I agree with chronomex 
13:27 <+noah_> NO
13:27 <@Nikky> He's a reasonable bloke.
13:27 < Barrett> no
13:27 <@Nikky> Plus he's ticalc staff
13:27 < BrandonW> We've gone into that safety mode because we don't know what's going on.
13:27 <+noah_> we must escalte this untill we become the 4chan of calculators
13:27 < TD-Linux> ticalc didn't hire me
13:27 < BrandonW> Who's who or what happened.
13:27 <@Nikky> You mess with him and shit falls.
13:27 < DSP_Lord> !k noah_ Absolutely not.
13:27 <@Nikky> I agree with BrandonW 
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13:28 < TD-Linux> my only work experience is "slashdot troll"
13:28 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v noah_] by efneTI81
13:28 <@Nikky> And BrandonW, FYI, is an op
13:28 < DSP_Lord> oh hey... an auto-rejoin.
13:28 <@Nikky> So he can ban your ass
13:28  * Nikky wanders off
13:29 < ReDeEm> chronomex: why did you think I was randomist?
13:29 < ReDeEm> and why were you kicking him?
13:29 <@chronomex> because you were acting like randomist
13:29 <@chronomex> I wasn't kicking him, I was kicking you
13:30 < ReDeEm> ...
13:30 < BrandonW> Quit being stupid, I've already explained why you were kicked.
13:30 < ReDeEm> oh, !k Nick [Reason] not !k Nick [Nick,]
13:30 < BrandonW> There's no way you can come out to be the victim here.
13:30 < ReDeEm> heh thats why I was confused...
13:30 < ReDeEm> BrandonW: wasnt trying...
13:31 < BrandonW> So hush about it.
13:31 < ReDeEm> heh, just saying 4 in a row is a little excessive force, narp?
13:31 < Merthsoft> wtf is narp?
13:32 < bsparks> is it like narf?
13:32 < BrandonW> Somebody's seen Hot Fuzz.
13:32 < Merthsoft> troz
13:32 < ReDeEm> pronounced "uhhh nar-puh"
13:32 <+noah_> hot fuzz is funny
13:32 < BrandonW> Crusty jugglers...
13:32 <+noah_> lol
13:32 < ReDeEm> but on a different note, Im sure there is someone here who is better at photoshop than I am, so ... anyone have ideas?
13:32 <+noah_> shaun of the dead was funny to
13:33 < ReDeEm> Its not even a photoshop specific thing, more of a thinking outside the box thing: I have a picture. Its of a white BG with red line-shapes on it. Its blurry (camera phone) but you can distinguish the lines. I kinda wanna get rid of the white, and make the red lines as clean as possible...
13:33 < ReDeEm> any idea of the filters I should look at?
13:33 < i_c-Y> render clouds
13:33 < bsparks> yeah
13:34 < bsparks> render clouds ought to do it :)
13:34 < ReDeEm> <_?
13:34 < bsparks> trust i_c-Y 
13:34 <+noah_> high-pass filter may be other option
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13:34 < bsparks> high pass filter on the rendered clouds
13:35 < ReDeEm> high-pass... narp on that one... as for render clouds, it did exactly what I wanted thanks.
13:35 < ReDeEm> -_-
13:38 < bsparks> fuck gnome >.<
13:40 -!- mode/#tcpa [-b BBSplat*!*@*] by efneTI81, efneTI92, efneTI86, efneTI85
13:41 <@chronomex> yeah.
13:41 < bsparks> hmm
13:41 < bsparks> I wonder if there are any good distros that come with E17 preinstalled
13:43 < TD-Linux> already?
13:44 < TD-Linux> my ban was supposed to last longer than that
13:44 < ReDeEm> it takes them off automatically...
13:44 < ReDeEm> IIRC
13:44 < DSP_Lord> it'll get reset if he comes back.
13:44 < ReDeEm> if he comes back, it will kick him
13:49 < i_c-Y> bsparks: ubuntu isn't good but there's probably a variant with enlightenment
13:49 <@Nikky> who is BBSplat?
13:49 < i_c-Y> of course its not hard to just install it yourself
13:50 < bsparks> i_c-Y, I'm gonna try elive first
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14:10 < bsparks> I should build a cheap wearable pc
14:26 <@Nikky> kk
14:26 <@Nikky> dilbert
14:27 <@Nikky> CYBER BILL
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14:40 < bsparks> freakin stupid dvd drive
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14:47 < bsparks> I have all the random shit anyone could ever want by my desk except for a FUCKING PAPERCLIP< WHAT THE HELL
14:48 <+patz2009> bsparks: I borrowed your paper clips, I hope you don't mind.
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14:53 < BrandonW> Anybody ever tried to use "Send to TI Device..." when trying to send an OS in TI Connect and it just hangs and never starts the transfer?
14:56 <@Nikky>  yes
14:56 <@Nikky> Ti-Connect sucks
14:56 <@Nikky> who si BBSplat?
14:56 <@Nikky> Someone answer me
14:57 < BrandonW> I have no idea.
14:57 < tev> I don't know, and #omnimaga doesn't know, either.
14:57 <@Nikky> Well, what did it do?
14:57 < BrandonW> How in the world do you know what #omnimaga knows?
14:57 <@Nikky> He goes there
14:57 < BrandonW> It pasted a giant rainbow-colored block of text.
14:57 <@Nikky> TRAITOR WE SHOULD BAN YOU
14:57 < tev> I'm trying to keep a neutral point of view.
14:58 < BrandonW> They say we're crazy, we say they're crazy?
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14:58 <@Nikky> oh, I see
14:58 < BrandonW> I really have nothing against the BASIC community.
14:58 < BrandonW> I mean, come on, we all started there.
14:59 <@Nikky> me neither
14:59 < BrandonW> Even I did Windows 95 on the TI-81 back in the day.
14:59 < tev> I don't have anything against either language--to me, it's just "use the right tool for the job."
14:59 < Spengo> I didn't
14:59 < Spengo> start with basic that is
15:00 < BrandonW> Sure you did.
15:00 < Spengo> I learned C poorly before I learned anything
15:00 <@Nikky> I never programmed
15:00 < BrandonW> C has nothing to do with calculators.
15:00 < tev> And if you can't use a tool for some reason (e.g., it's too hard to learn), then just do your best with the tools you can use.  That's what counts.
15:00 < BrandonW> Hush, I know about TI-GCC.
15:00 <@Nikky> tev: STOP ALWAYS APPROVING FILES
15:00 < Spengo> I never used TI basic except for math programs though
15:00 <@Nikky> you're making me look bad
15:00 <@Nikky> :(
15:00 < BrandonW> I have to update Free83P again if you want to feel special.
15:00 < Spengo> who is tev
15:00 <@Nikky> no, he'll get it first
15:01 <@Nikky> since he has a like a email thing
15:01 <@Nikky> that just emails him
15:01 <@Nikky> or something
15:01 -!- mode/#tcpa [-b BBSplat*!*@*] by efneTI81, efneTI85, efneTI86, efneTI92
15:01 <@Nikky> probably IM
15:01 < Spengo> we don't know who tev is so we blame Nikky for all the ridiculous basic programs that get approved to ticalc.org
15:01 < BrandonW> So beat him.
15:01 <@Nikky> I can't
15:01 <@Nikky> he's superhuman
15:01 < tev> I just obsessively check all the time, actually. But if you want to process the file this time, I'll let you. Just let me know.
15:01 < Spengo> who
15:01 < BrandonW> DO BETTER
15:01 <@Nikky> no, it's fine
15:01 <@Nikky> I'm leaving for a week anyway
15:01 < BrandonW> WHAT
15:01 <@Nikky> then a MONTH
15:01 < BrandonW> Why, that's unpossible.
15:01 < Spengo> I was gone all last week
15:02 < Spengo> campin' and hiking
15:02 < BrandonW> The difference with you is we don't care.
15:02 <@Nikky> I care
15:02 < Spengo> </3
15:02 < tev> Okay. Yeah, I'm still learning how to distinguish jokes from seriousness in this channel, so you have to take that into account when talking to me ;-)
15:02 < Spengo> tev, nothing is serious on the internet
15:02 <@Nikky> internet is srs bsns
15:02 < BrandonW> This channel is one big joke, so it's safe to take nothing seriously.
15:02 <@Nikky> !seen prime*
15:02 < BrandonW> Unless it's coming from me, of course.
15:03 <@efneTI86> I found 27 matches to your query.  Here are the 5 most recent (sorted): prime_ prime- prime prime| prime38. prime_ (~prime@your.mom.loves.sindustries.org) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 20 days, 10 hours, 58 minutes ago stating (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
15:03 < tev> Reading old #tcpa logs really helps, though.
15:03 <@Nikky> BrandonW: As an op, yo must speak more highly of ths place
15:03 < BrandonW> I think I would cry if I read #tcpa logs.
15:03 < Spengo> read them from 6 years ago
15:03 < tev> The oldest I can find is about a year back. Are there older ones?
15:03 < BrandonW> I certainly hope so.
15:03 < BrandonW> A year is not good enough.
15:03 < Spengo> this channel has been around for a very long time
15:03 <@Nikky> mokomull and andy_j have old news
15:03 < Spengo> I don't have my oldest logs saved though
15:04 < Spengo> I don't use that computer anymore :V
15:04 < BrandonW> The channel's name comes from TCPA, the TI Calculator Programming Alliance.
15:04 <@Nikky> I have some since like
15:04 < BrandonW> Which morphed into Detached Solutions.
15:04 <@Nikky> hmm
15:04 <@Nikky> 4 years ago
15:04 < Spengo> BrandonW, it did?
15:04 < BrandonW> Yes.
15:04 <@Nikky> anyway, back later
15:04 <@Nikky> fools
15:04 < BrandonW> Did you not notice they had the same members?
15:04 < Spengo> well yeah... but it's the same for pretty much all the calculator groups
15:04 < Spengo> except like omnimaga and uti but they don't count
15:05 < BrandonW> There really aren't that many left.
15:05 < BrandonW> Except revsoft and maybe a few others.
15:05 < Spengo> everyone got oldered
15:05 < BrandonW> I'll be around until I die.
15:08 < Spengo> what about kerm's thing
15:08 < Spengo> is that still around
15:08 < Spengo> !seen kerm*
15:08 <@efneTI86> I found 37 matches to your query.  Here are the 5 most recent (sorted): KermEEE1 KermMrt KermM KermEEE Kerm. KermEEE1 (KermM@cpe-74-66-230-83.nyc.res.rr.com) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 6 hours, 39 minutes ago stating (Read error: Operation timed out).
15:08 < BrandonW> Cemetech?
15:08 < Spengo> apparently it is
15:08 < BrandonW> That's really just Kerm, but yes, it's around.
15:08 < Spengo> lol
15:08 < Spengo> what about maxcoders
15:08 < Spengo> that was the one I got involved with when I first found this channel
15:08 < BrandonW> I'm not sure on that one.
15:09 < BrandonW> I don't understand, my PC refuses to send any OS now.
15:09 < BrandonW> Using any program, to any calculator.
15:09 < Spengo> onoz omg
15:10 < Spengo> probably a simple solution will present itself shortly
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15:26 < bsparks> http://fukung.net/v/10458/b7fcb1553c59d84e49ff22c381e4ae83.jpg
15:30 < ryantmer> While we're on the topic of fukung
15:30 < ryantmer> http://fukung.net/v/3271/Death%20Waltz%202.jpg
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15:48 < bsparks> what the fuck computer
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15:54 < bsparks> I swear to god I am going to rip this damn dvd drive out
15:55 < BrandonW> I feel your frustrations.
15:55 <+patz2009> wooo google voice
15:55 < bsparks> I put one bad CD in, the drive spind and spins and spins and won't do a damn thing, not even eject 
15:55 -!- Spengo [~Spengo@pool-71-111-182-71.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 556 seconds]
15:55 < bsparks> so I manually eject it
15:56 <@_Auron_> I swear to fucking bitch god I can't fix this damn bug
15:56 < bsparks> and now it won't open or close when I push the button, nor will it recognize media in it
15:56 <@_Auron_> destroys my mood to even look at the code for Stroids much less work on it
15:56 <@_Auron_> I don't even know what causes this fucking bug!
15:58 < BrandonW> I'm trying to get TI Connect to send a variable to my damn OS and it won't send the header packet!
15:58 < BrandonW> I set it all up, I hit "OK" on TI Connect, and NOTHING.
15:58 < BrandonW> No communication attempts, no interrupts, no nothing.
15:58 < BrandonW> Yet the boot code works fine.
15:58 < BrandonW> EXPLAIN IT TO ME
15:59 < BrandonW> Oh, and of course the process uses 99% CPU all of a sudden when I open up task manager.
15:59 < BrandonW> Because that's the only way to stop TI Connect.
15:59 < BrandonW> Heaven forbid there be a fucking cancel button.
15:59 < BrandonW> Even better, there IS a cancel button, but it's grayed out for OS transfers.
16:00 < BrandonW> What, you forbid me to cancel it, TI? I can rip the fucking cable out any time I want.
16:00 < BrandonW> Nothing forbidden about it.
16:02 < BrandonW> It just defies all logic and explanation.
16:02 < BrandonW> I cannot get this one packet.
16:02 < BrandonW> I've been on this half the night.
16:02 < bsparks> I just don't get it
16:02 < bsparks> there is media IN the drive
16:03 < bsparks> but the drive won't spin up, open, or close on it's own
16:03 < BrandonW> Lots of drives do that.
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16:03 < BrandonW> They just get stuck in a certain point.
16:03 < BrandonW> I'd love to slap the firmware writers or whoever is responsible for that.
16:03 < BrandonW> It should always time out.
16:04 < bsparks> it's been like this since about midnight
16:04 < bsparks> it's 2am now :/
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16:06 < bsparks> great
16:06 < bsparks> fucking great
16:06 < bsparks> I wasted 6 CDs, and 3 hours of my time, because someone at Poineer couldn't write a fucking FIMRWARE RIGHT?!?!
16:06 <@chronomex> yeah, basically
16:07 <@chronomex> :(
16:07 < bsparks> normally manually opening it, letting it sit, and then telling it to close works, but noooooooo
16:07 < bsparks> not tonight
16:07 < BrandonW> Make this thing send me a variable header packet. :(
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16:20 < tev> If I had a dollar for every time I've wanted to slap a software developer silly (or worse), I'd be richer than Bill Gates.
16:21 < BrandonW> I hate the IO port so much.
16:25 < BrandonW> I just...I just don't understand.
16:25 < BrandonW> How can I receive the ready and get info packets, but not a variable header packet?
16:25 < BrandonW> There's nothing different about it.
16:48 < bsparks> cat is a certantly interesting command...
16:58 < BrandonW> I give up.
17:04 < BrandonW> It's like the link assist is just crapping out or getting into a weird state.
17:05 < ryantmer> I love how the last hour of conversation is bsparks, _Auron_ and BrandonW separately ranting about separate problems they are having
17:06 <@chronomex> heh, yeah
17:06 < ryantmer> Ah, the disjointed convsersation of #tcpa, how I did miss thee :)
17:06 <@chronomex> how could you miss it, you're right here
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17:11 < ryantmer> chronomex: I was generally absent from it for a few months. Well, sort of.
17:11 <@chronomex> aye
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17:18 < tev> chronomex: Do you think we should have a ticalc survey about the 92+/V200 dir merge idea to get more input? I could email you some proposed poll choices for it.
17:19 < tev> I want to make darn sure this is what users want before doing it, because it might not be practical to undo once it's done.
17:19 <@chronomex> yeah, please do
17:19 < tev> Okay, I'll send an email to your ticalc address in a couple of minutes.
17:19 <@chronomex> mail me before 12:30 Pacific and I'll post it today
17:20 < tev> Is there a restriction on the length of the option text that I should know about?
17:20 <@chronomex> how long do you want?
17:20 <@chronomex> not that I know of, it's probably VARCHAR(256) though
17:21 < tev> I think the longest option I wrote is something like 100-150 chars (I tend to be verbose)
17:21 <@chronomex> I can edit it down if you want
17:21 < tev> 7 options that I came up with
17:22 <@chronomex> ok
17:24 < sir_lewk> lol
17:24 < sir_lewk> I load a page on the doom wiki and see an ad for bibles
17:25 < sir_lewk> awesome
17:25 <@chronomex> hahaha
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17:26 < tev> Okay, email to chronomex should be sent now.
17:26 <@chronomex> got it
17:26 < tev> Yay
17:27 <@chronomex> oh geez I thought you said 100-150 words
17:27 < tev> :-)
17:27 < tev> I'm glad it wasn't that long
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17:28 <@chronomex> you know, tev
17:28 <@chronomex> 92+/v200 is about the same magnitude delta as 89/89Ti
17:28 <@chronomex> so I really think it's good to happen
17:28 <@chronomex> but I'll post the survey :)
17:29 <@chronomex> posted.
17:30 < tev> Okay
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19:34 < _Digital> test
19:35 <@E-J> ing
19:36 < _Digital> had two power outages while I was at work
19:36 < _Digital> looks like my UPS worked fine
19:36 < _Digital> if only I have the main router plugged into it as well
19:40 < _Digital> how is your afternoon shaping up E-J?
19:41 <@E-J> _Digital: it midday more like (12:37), still little coma because i didn't sleep much last night
19:42 <@E-J> we had nation's summer days and now we are heading back to helsinki by bus
19:43 < _Digital> Well technically it is after noon time
19:43 <@E-J> yeah, but it doesn't feel like
19:43 < _Digital> I wish out summer was over
19:44 <@E-J> why
19:44 < _Digital> I don't like the heat
19:44 <@E-J> well, i like when it isn't too hot
19:45 < _Digital> I wear I wear shots when it gets as low as 7-8C
19:45 <@E-J> and mostly here it isn't too hot, now it's ok, 23C and sunny
19:46 < _Digital> I don't like it when its higher than 26C
19:46 < _Digital> anything below that I like
19:47 <@E-J> slept last night in tent, nice to woke up when it's not cold
19:47 < _Digital> I preferyour 23C though
19:49 <@E-J> well here temp all year is about +-25C
19:50 <@E-J> maybe one or 2 days are more than 25C and also one or 2 days are less than -25C
19:51 < _Digital> well I'm not aclimated for temps below 0C so I'm not sure how I'd do in -25C
19:51 < _Digital> and what is zokem?
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19:52 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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20:13 <+krisk> blub
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20:36 <@E-J> and at home
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23:42 < Merthsoft> hi guys
23:43 < bsparks> oh, hai!
23:43 <+krisk> hey
23:46 < Merthsoft> ahhhhh bsparks everywhere
23:46 < bsparks> it happens
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23:47 <@_Auron_> Merthsoft: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
23:47 <@_Auron_> I have encountered
23:47 <@_Auron_> the STRANGEST
23:47 < Merthsoft> yeah just read your status
23:47 <@_Auron_> most bizzare bug
23:48 <@_Auron_> I have ever seen
23:48 <@_Auron_> in my entire programming life
23:48 <+krisk> ok
23:48 <@_Auron_> and I'm fucking pissed
23:48 <@_Auron_> delirious
23:48 <@_Auron_> going inasne
23:48 <@_Auron_> it makes no sense
23:48  * _Auron_ screams
23:48  * _Auron_ screams again
23:49  * _Auron_ screams for a third time and slams his head against the wall
23:49 < bsparks> _Auron_, <.< >.> does the problem persist on the newest rev of android? Or is it something they are not likely to fix?
23:50 < bsparks> http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/26/early-android-2-0-donut-build-available-up-and-running-on-g1/
23:50 <@_Auron_> bsparks: OTA or something I'd have to build from current souce?
23:50 < bsparks> oh, my mistake
23:50 < bsparks> no offical stable build yet =\
23:55 < bsparks> I don't think I have been so consistantly mad at any one computer in my life
23:56 <+krisk> http://zip.4chan.org/g/src/1248606260359.jpg
23:57 < Merthsoft> _Auron_: So what can you do?
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