--- Log opened Sun Jul 19 13:17:00 2009
13:17 < sir_lewk> I can upload my log if you really need it
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13:20 < Barrett> http://calcg.org/irclogs/tcpa/2009/tcpa.2009.07.19.txt
13:20 < Barrett> there you go
13:20 < Barrett> and I'm sure that'll be SO useful
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13:20 < Barrett> for whatever dalek_ wanted to look up
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13:22 < tev> LOL
13:24 < j-b-r> Does anyone else just love netsplits like I do?
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13:28 < Barrett> yes
13:29 < j-b-r> Well, good.
13:29 < j-b-r> Channel is so dead...
13:29 < jr19> very dead
13:30 < tev> [2009/07/18 22:52:45] * incubus stabs everyone
13:30 < tev> Maybe that's why?
13:30 < j-b-r> Bah, I bet it's been dead since I stopped coming here
13:31 < jr19> it's been calculator-talk dead
13:31 < jr19> sometimes there is active conversation when i am at work
13:31 < j-b-r> Much more activity to be found on rizon then here...
13:31 < j-b-r> Good thing my interests seem to have shifted into a direction that more people talk about
13:31 < jr19> rizon is like the sewer of the internets
13:32 < j-b-r> Says people from elsewhere
13:32 < jr19> well, i wont say the sewer, that's 4chan
13:32 < jr19> its more like the black market
13:32 < j-b-r> Yeah, there you go
13:32 < j-b-r> Now you're talking
13:33 < dalek_> Yeah, I get tired of people talking about everything except calculators here.
13:33 < j-b-r> I'm not exactly a 4chan sympathizer myself, so don't lump me in with them
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13:33 < j-b-r> Calculators seem to be really dead now, though...
13:34 < j-b-r> They were coming back in style for a few weeks there, but then...
13:34 < jr19> i used to be into calculator stuff but then...i dont know
13:34 < j-b-r> THe C64 scene is probably more active than this one, at this point
13:34 < dalek_> Yeah, some folks here have done their best to drown out calculator discussion with nonsense. This channel has become a cesspool of trolling and nonsense.
13:35 < j-b-r> Well, welcome to the internet
13:36 < j-b-r> cesspool of trolling? Seriously, just how do you think things work?
13:36 < dalek_> ...
13:36 < sir_lewk> meh, I find it relatively nice for calcs still
13:37 < sir_lewk> also, I like the people here in general, interesting bunch
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13:37 < dalek_> yes, calcs are discussed infrequently. but try asking a 68k question, and you're likely to get far more smartass answers than actual help.
13:37 < sir_lewk> oh, perhaps
13:37 < sir_lewk> I'm certainly not of much use there
13:37 < Merthsoft> they're sending a new modem
13:38 < jr19> usually when there is calc talk, i just watch
13:38 < Barrett> Nikky: your piespy hasn't updated in months
13:38 < jr19> because people know more than me so i try not to interfere
13:38 < Merthsoft> and now i can't get online with it
13:38 < Merthsoft> wtf guys
13:38 < Merthsoft> wtf
13:39 < Barrett> the heck? what?
13:39 < j-b-r> I guess any given scene never completely dies out...
13:39 < j-b-r> This is probably the last place where people talk calc, though
13:39 < Barrett> Merthsoft? why are they sending a new one?
13:39 < Merthsoft> well, i can't get onlinne with the ubuntu box anymore
13:39 < Merthsoft> oh, because the password didn't work
13:39 < Merthsoft> and nothing we did could make it work
13:39 < Barrett> you can't reset it?
13:39 < Merthsoft> didn't work
13:40 < Barrett> what the tech support people said?
13:40 < dalek_> j-b-r: If you're going to ridicule it, why are you here, then?
13:40 < Merthsoft> "We're sending you a new one"
13:40 < Barrett> did you look at the link icy sent about that?
13:40 < Merthsoft> yes
13:40 < j-b-r> Who am I ridiculing? You, perhaps, but not "it"
13:40 < dalek_> ...
13:40 < Merthsoft> I just spent an hour and a half being talked down to by tech support, Barrett, don't you start :(
13:41 < Merthsoft> I just want to get my ubuntu back online
13:41 < Merthsoft> it says "device not managed"
13:41 < j-b-r> Although... Hmm... I'm trying to think of the right way to express what I mean here...
13:41 < Barrett> what says device not managed?
13:41 < j-b-r> I appreciate your... 
13:42 < j-b-r> Desire for things not to deteriorate?
13:42 < j-b-r> I don't really know how to put it
13:42 < Merthsoft> When I click on the little icon meaning networking
13:42 < j-b-r> My current line of commentary comes out of the thought that you take my comments about the dieing out of this channel and this scene as ridicule
13:43 < j-b-r> The idea that pointing that sort of thing out is bad...
13:43 < j-b-r> I sometimes feel that way myself
13:43 < Barrett> have you tried /etc/init.d/networking restart   ?
13:43 < Merthsoft> yeah
13:43 < Barrett> managed the interface manually?
13:43 < j-b-r> I react when people say something along the lines of "how things aren't like they used to be"
13:43 < Merthsoft> as in edited /etc/network/interface
13:43 < Merthsoft> yes
13:44 < j-b-r> Meh, what am I doing, a strange combination of philosophy and self diagnosis... I should leave this channel before I get myself into more trouble
13:44 < Barrett> Merthsoft: paste that as well as ifconfig's output
13:44 < dalek_> j-b-r: Some folks here (and thankfully some of then have bans on them) don't want calculator discussion in the channel. Others come here with no intention of discussing calculators. The majority of discussion in any calculator related channel (#ti, #ti-files, #dim-ti, #ti-news, #tcpa) have always had mostly offtopic discussion.
13:44 < Barrett> (pastebin or something)
13:44 < Merthsoft> k h/o
13:45 < j-b-r> I understand that... I have been around, you know
13:45 < dalek_> My problem isn't with the offtopic discussion. My problem is that people object to people talking about calcs.
13:45 < Barrett> (i suppose you'll need to use a flash drive...)
13:45 < Merthsoft> keep in mind this worked earlier
13:46 < Barrett> did you accidentally unplug it?
13:46 < Merthsoft> nope
13:46 < Merthsoft> even swapped cables with the laptop
13:50 < Merthsoft> Barrett: http://pastebin.com/m4baeb4b8
13:52 < Barrett> what happens when you ping your laptop?
13:52 < Merthsoft> like from ubuntu?
13:52 < Barrett> yes
13:52 < Merthsoft> reply
13:53 < Barrett> what happens when you ping 209.90.113.98?
13:53 < Merthsoft> works
13:53 < Barrett> what happens when you ping calcg.org?
13:53 < Merthsoft> unknown host
13:53 < Merthsoft> no resolution :(
13:53 < Barrett> what does /etc/resolv.conf look like?
13:53 < Randomist> dalek_:  I think the confusion is that it is a gen-tech/idle channel or something.
13:54 < Merthsoft> Barrett: empty
13:54 < Barrett> ha
13:54 < Randomist> * that it seems
13:54 < Barrett> well, there you go
13:54 < dalek_> But calculator discussion should still have priority.
13:54 < Merthsoft> excpet for "# Generated by NetworkManager"
13:54 < Barrett> ubuntu uses networkmanager???
13:54 < Barrett> oh. gosh.
13:54 < Merthsoft> i was told to install it
13:54 < Merthsoft> and then i couldn't do anything after that
13:54 < Barrett> who told you that?
13:54 < Merthsoft> icy
13:54 < Barrett> wow
13:54 < Randomist> Barrett:  Yeah, they use it by defauld.
13:54 < Randomist> * default
13:54 < Barrett> well, just set up nameservers in networkmanager
13:55 < jr19> name servers = win
13:55 < Barrett> or do a dhcp renew... network manager shouldn't be THAT dumb... and nameservers should be set up with dhcp
13:56 < Merthsoft> dhcp command not found
13:56 < Barrett> that would be with ifconfig, I believe
13:56 < Randomist> Is something like this what you guys are trying to get to:  http://omploader.org/vMjAwYQ
13:56 < jr19> dhcpcd
13:56 < jr19> dhclient, etc
13:57 < Merthsoft> dhclient renew just gives me errors :|
13:57 < jr19> no
13:57 < jr19> try dhclient interface
13:57 < jr19> like dhclient eth0
13:57 < jr19> i believe that's what it is anyway heh
13:57 < Merthsoft> oooh, did something
13:58 < Merthsoft> restarting now
13:58 < Barrett> anyway... it said "device not managed" because it defers the interface configurations to networkmanager
13:58 < Randomist> s:you guys:Merthsoft:
13:58 < Barrett> so just use that from now on
13:58 < Merthsoft> use network-admin?
13:59 < Barrett> um.. NetworkManager
13:59 < Barrett> should be the name
14:00 < Merthsoft> oh
14:00 < Merthsoft> when i do sudo NetworkManager is just does nothing
14:00 < Merthsoft> whereas network-admin did things
14:00 < Randomist> I would be trying Wicd.  Less crappy.
14:00 < Merthsoft> still not working.......
14:01 < jr19> why dont you just put some dns entries in your /etc/resolv.conf
14:01 < jr19> use opendns or something
14:01 < Barrett> Merthsoft: i never have much luck running NetworkManager from the command line
14:01 < Merthsoft> there are entries in there
14:01 < Barrett> try finding it through gnome
14:01 < Randomist> And, if you lose your X, wicd-client rocks.
14:01 < Barrett> jr19: NetworkManager likes to overwrite that file
14:01 < Randomist> * wicd-curses
14:01 < jr19> oh
14:03 < Merthsoft> grrrrrrrrr
14:03 < Merthsoft> still says it's not managed
14:03 < Merthsoft> seems pretty managed to me
14:03 < Barrett> Merthsoft: that's because NetworkManager manages it
14:03 < Barrett> orr wait
14:03 < Barrett> maybe networkmanager is what's telling you that
14:03 < Barrett> that would be PERFECT
14:03 < Barrett> find the network config through gnome
14:04 < Merthsoft> when i click the "network" button in "system" i get the same thing as when i network-admin
14:04 < jr19> linux. it just works.
14:04 < Barrett> if you insist, you can check the box that says "managed by network manager"
14:04 < Randomist> jr19:  Want to bet he would have had this all configured the the hour of installed on Arch?  :)
14:04 < Barrett> Merthsoft: for a temporary fix, just add nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf
14:04 < Merthsoft> Barrett: where is that box?
14:04 < jr19> yeah
14:05 < Barrett> if NetworkManager is running, it'll eventually overwrite it
14:05 < Barrett> but it'll take a while for that to happen
14:05 < Merthsoft> /etc/resolv.conf has stuff in it noe
14:05 < Barrett> what does it say?
14:06 < Merthsoft> domain Belkin | search Belkin | nameserver 192.168.2.1 | nameserver 192.168.254.254
14:06 < Merthsoft> the dhclient eth0 did that
14:06 < Barrett> ok, try pinging calcg.org now
14:07 < Merthsoft> did it
14:07 < Merthsoft> slowly
14:07 < Merthsoft> but did it
14:07 < Barrett> the response time was slow? or did it take a while to find the IP address in the first place?
14:07 < Merthsoft> repsonce
14:07 < Barrett> how many ms?
14:08 < Merthsoft> says 67
14:08 < Barrett> ...
14:08 < Merthsoft> but felt longer
14:08 < Barrett> that's... not slow...
14:08 < Merthsoft> like, the terminal was slow
14:08 < Barrett> ok, well
14:08 < Barrett> you have internet now
14:09 < Randomist> And, then he reboots... :P
14:09 < Merthsoft> hmm, i do
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14:09 < Merthsoft> but it doesn't say i do
14:09 < Barrett> that's because NetworkManager is retarded
14:09 < jr19> yeah it sucks
14:10 < Barrett> why on Earth did i_c-Y want you to install it?
14:10 < jr19> i've almost done all linux networking configuration using the command line
14:10 < Randomist> Barrett:  It comes default.
14:10 < jr19> because i hate using the dumb GUIs that are provided that never do what i want them to do
14:10 < Merthsoft> i dunno
14:10 < Randomist> The only reason they use it by default, I think, is because Wicd does not do VPN in the GUI yet.
14:10 < Barrett> Randomist: I know it comes default with CentOS and Fedora... but I didn't think it came with ubuntu
14:11 < Merthsoft> well
14:11 < Merthsoft> ok, internet
14:12 < BrandonW> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUFANEqks-M
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14:13 <@Nikky> Barrett: yeah, I got bore with it
14:13 < Merthsoft> can't get on irc
14:13 < Randomist> jr19:  Too bad Shibuntu does not anyone to to anything without dumb GUIs.
14:13 < Barrett> Nikky: what did I ask you? I forget
14:13 <@Nikky> piespy
14:14 < Barrett> ah
14:14 < jr19> was it required that you guys lock arms
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14:14 < MerthX> Hi guyyys
14:14 < MerthX> ooh, laggy
14:14 < MerthX> a LOT laggy
14:14 < MerthX> or not
14:14 < MerthX> oh, better
14:14 < MerthX> and imma get kicked soon i'm sure
14:15 < Merthsoft> !k MerthX 
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14:15 < dalek_> I never noticed you were on windstream... I associate that with DSP.
14:15 < millinao> damnit i was going to do that
14:15 < Merthsoft> I'm not, I'm at my friends house.
14:15 < Merthsoft> millinao: You still can.
14:15 < millinao> no you ruined it
14:15 < Merthsoft> I used whatever my school uses
14:15 < MerthX> and imma get kicked soon i'm sure
14:16 < millinao> !k merthx thats better
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14:16 < Merthsoft> now once he gets the new modem i'll get the port forwarding done and then i'll be able to ssh into this bitch from school
14:17 < Randomist> Merthsoft:  How long had you been working on tring to get than Internet up?
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14:17 < Merthsoft> in total, including the bullshit with the broken modem?
14:17 < Merthsoft> couple hours
14:20 < Merthsoft> what's the curses package called?
14:22 < Randomist> "ncurses?"
14:23 < Merthsoft> nope
14:23 < Randomist> (You mean they don't have that by default?!)
14:23 < Merthsoft> man curses had no results
14:25 < Randomist> Augh, goddamn it, my eyes.
14:26  * Randomist writes Firefox to change themes after a certain time.
14:27 < Randomist> Ooh, I add that on to do with Motion.
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14:35 < Merthsoft> ok waht else should i install on here
14:36 < Merthsoft> i installed wine but i dunno where the program when
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14:38 < Randomist> Should add backports repo so you at least get updates to some packages, and don't have to stick with dinosaur-shit old software for six months at a time.
14:39 < Merthsoft> ok
14:39 < Merthsoft> i can't drag things to the desktop
14:39 < Merthsoft> that's frustrating me
14:39 < Merthsoft> i want shortcuts
14:39 < Randomist> Merthsoft:  Right click, add to destkop
14:40 < Randomist> Or, if it is Xfce (I forget what you said you had), then use the Appfinder.
14:40 < Merthsoft> xubuntu
14:40 < Randomist> And drag what you want from there.
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14:48 < Merthsoft> Randomist: new problem
14:48 < Merthsoft> made a user, when i try to log in as him, it says /home/wally doesn't exsits
14:50 < Randomist> "sudo -s -H," then:  mkdir /home/wally; cp -ax /etc/skel/{*,.*} /home/wally; chown -R wally:wally /home/wally; exit
14:50 < Merthsoft> O_o
14:51 < Merthsoft> well ok
14:52 < Merthsoft> cannot stat '/etc/skel/*': No such file or directory
14:53 < Randomist> That's fine.
14:53 < Merthsoft> /home/wally has a LOT of shit in it now
14:53 < Merthsoft> compared to /home/merthsoft
14:55 < Merthsoft> can i just delete the users and make a new one
14:55 < Randomist> Sure.
14:56 < Merthsoft> alrighty, how?
14:56 < Randomist> userdel.
14:56 < Randomist> userdel -r user
14:56 < Merthsoft> user wally does not exists.........
14:57 < Randomist> What'd you use when you tried to create that user?
14:57 < Merthsoft> useradd
14:58 < Randomist> Get rid of it's home folder, and use adduser.
14:58 < Randomist> More straightforward.
14:58 < Merthsoft> what're the flags to delete it if it's got shit in it?
14:58 < Randomist> rm -rf /home/whatever
15:03 < Merthsoft> thanks Randomist you're the best
15:05 < Merthsoft> now how do i get tilesets for mahjongg :D
15:05 < Randomist> Merthsoft:  I think it is "gnome-games-extra-data" or something like that.
15:07 < Merthsoft> ooh
15:08 < Merthsoft> dammit no medievil
15:13 < ports> i dont feel very good
15:14 < Randomist> What do you expect us to do to about that?
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15:14 < ports> nothing
15:15 < ports> im just sharing
15:15 < ports> i feel like ive been drugged
15:15 < _Digital> good for you, go sleep it off
15:15 < ports> sleep what off?
15:16 < _Digital> the drugs, or the feeling of beign drugged
15:16 < ports> i dont know..
15:17 < ports> i went to a bar for a few hours... had 1 beer while i was there.. and it never left my hand.
15:17 < ports> but i feel dizzy and numb...
15:18 < ports> i remember i felt like this once in college.. my friends girlfriend went out drinking with some friends, and was acting really weird when she got back.. and she had a big vodka/gatorade with her... we both had some of it... and were both sick later that night
15:18 < _Digital> nothing we can do about it. Mayb ebad ethonal
15:19 < ports> _Digital, no
15:20 < ports> i even left the shot on the bar.. because some douchebag trying to impress the girls i was with bought a round of shots.. i didnt drink it
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16:07 < E-J> http://www.moillusions.com/2009/07/um-it%E2%80%99s-just-paper-illusion.html
16:10 < Randomist> Ha-ha, I was amused.
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17:03 < sir_lewk> I drank too much water because all of a sudden it tasted delicious
17:03 < sir_lewk> like 2.5 liters
17:03 < sir_lewk> I think I might throw up all that water in a second
17:06 < sir_lewk> yeah, that's an affirmative
17:06 < sir_lewk> now I'm thirsty again,,,
17:26 < tev> Mmm, I'm going to go drink some tea
20:53 < E-J> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hUCGhCtkfw
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22:45 <@efneTI92> [i_c-Y] It's like I'm the last sane person on Earth.
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23:37 < KermM> morning all
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