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00:00 < sir_lewk> I can't stand any of the IDEs out there
00:00 <@benryves> I don't own a paid-for copy of Visual Studio so I don't use any plugins.
00:00 < Ox40> :(
00:00 < Ox40> I have VS Express
00:00 < sir_lewk> they may have nice features or whatever, but invariably they suck at basic editing
00:00 <@benryves> Ox40: Oh, you're out of luck there I'm afraid; Visual Studio Express doesn't support VS plugins. :\
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00:00 <@benryves> sir_lewk: ...for C++
00:01 <@benryves> Hence products like VAX
00:01 < Ox40> dammmmmnnn
00:01 < Dam\__> I thought we all agreed that Vim was the superior text editor?  :)
00:01 < Ox40> phpDesigner2008 is really good
00:01 < sir_lewk> yeah, I mean they always have modeless text editors that are nearly featureless
00:01 < Ox40> but its choking on FTP right now for some reason
00:01 <@benryves> Ox40: Oh, I used to use phpDesigner when it was free. I prefer Programmer's Notepad 2 anyway, myself. :\
00:02 < sir_lewk> eclipse has a vim plugin thingy that lets you edit like in vim apparently.  I should look into that
00:02 <@benryves> What's a "modeless" text editor?
00:02 < Ox40> I have VWD,  Eclipse, phpDesigner2008, Notepad++
00:02 < Ox40> and all suck
00:03 <@benryves> Ox40: Programmer's Notepad 2. Try it. :P
00:03 <@benryves> Visual Web Developer is excellent for Silverlight and ASP.NET development, but a fat lot of use for anything else.
00:03 < Ox40> benryves: does it support FTP?
00:03 <@benryves> Ox40: No, but that's not a feature I'd expect from a text editor.
00:04 < sir_lewk> "modeless" means there is only one mode, editing mode
00:04 < Ox40> :(
00:04 < Ox40> I wantttttt FTPPPPP
00:04 < Ox40> Because I HATE having to always re-up it all the time
00:04 < Ox40> after every save
00:04 < sir_lewk> whereas things like vi have editing mode, normal mode, visual mode, etc
00:04 <@benryves> Ox40: You develop sites... live?
00:04 < Ox40> benryves: none of mine are of any importance :P
00:04 < Ox40> so yes
00:04 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Oh, cool. :D
00:04 < sir_lewk> yeah, moded text editors are very nice imho
00:05 <@benryves> Visual Studio's text editor does everything I'd expect it to, tbh, never had any need for anything more.
00:05 < sir_lewk> the new Kwrite has a 'vi mode', it works pretty nice
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00:05 <@benryves> Ox40: Fair enough. WebDAV?
00:06 < Ox40> WebDAV?
00:07 <@benryves> Ox40: Method of editing files over HTTP.
00:07 <@benryves> Failing that, track down a 3rd-party utility to mount FTP directories in Windows and use <text editor of choice>?
00:09 < Dam\__> Isn't this the kind of stuff that FBI dudes like to have a field day with?  (http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3355&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20)
00:10 < Tari> hehe
00:10 < Tari> that thread was making me facepalm
00:10 < Tari> now it's back off-topic, though
00:11 <@chronomex> that's one disgruntled highschooler
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00:13 < sir_lewk> man, screw that stuff
00:13 < sir_lewk> you can make nice pipe-bombs with tannerite, which you can legally buy on the internet with nothing more than a creditcard
00:14 < sir_lewk> of course pipebombs are illegal so I would never do that
00:14 <@chronomex> never
00:14 < sir_lewk> the trick is detonating the stuff, should be doable with primacord though
00:14 <@chronomex> maybe you and Spengo should move in together
00:15 <@_Auron_> hot
00:15 < sir_lewk> the stuff is meant for target practice, it's a binary explosive that detonates on high impact, ie, high powered rifle rounds
00:15 < sir_lewk> completely legit
00:16 < Nikky> woah woah
00:16 < Nikky> someone still uses FTP to develop?
00:16 < Nikky> woww
00:16 <@_Auron_> ?
00:16 <@benryves> Nikky: Ox40 - say no more? :P
00:16 <@_Auron_> I use FTP to access my webserver
00:16 < Nikky> I suppose
00:17 < sir_lewk> http://www.tannerite.com/
00:17 < Nikky> I mean, I use sftp...
00:17 < Nikky> but FTP?
00:17 < Nikky> Jesus
00:17 < sir_lewk> ssh for the win
00:17 <@_Auron_> difference being?
00:17 < sir_lewk> just use sshfs.
00:17 < Nikky> sshfs is pretty kewl
00:17 < sir_lewk> mmhm
00:17 < sir_lewk> specially combined with autofs
00:17 <@benryves> _Auron_: FTP over SSH
00:18 < Nikky> I just use keybased connections and links though
00:19 <@benryves> I prefer to phone the server's modem and whistle the file contents.
00:19 < Nikky> No, that's Ox40 
00:20 < sir_lewk> http://www.tannerite.com/nu.mpg fuck yeah
00:21 <@_Auron_> lol
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00:28 < Nikky> Hi pyromania 
00:30 < sir_lewk> http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=492577 lulz
00:30 < Nikky> Ugh
00:30 < Nikky> I feel like doing perl
00:30 < Nikky> someone talk me out of it
00:30 < sir_lewk> no.
00:30 < sir_lewk> perl is awesome, go for it
00:30 < Nikky> please
00:31 < Nikky> I haven't since like... high school
00:31 < sir_lewk> it's a really fun language
00:31 < Nikky> I suppose I could use PHP.
00:31 < Nikky> Except it sucks.
00:31 < sir_lewk> no no no no no no no no
00:31 < Nikky> *sigh*
00:31 < sir_lewk> php sucks hard
00:31 < sir_lewk> masocist
00:31 < Nikky> I want a manager for the books I've read/are reading
00:32 < Nikky> so it like shows what I'm reading, and then check a box and it goes into my "read" list
00:32 < sir_lewk> oh, I've seen those around
00:32 < Nikky> and I'm pretty sure it'd be faster to make that than try to find some shitty one online
00:32 < Nikky> yeah, I think I'll go do that
00:32 < sir_lewk> cool
00:32 < Nikky> what's a good editor in linux?
00:32 < sir_lewk> IDE you mean? or text editor?
00:33 < Nikky> dunno
00:33 < Nikky> syntax hilighting would be nice
00:33 < sir_lewk> gvim is nice, kwrite is awesome(though kde)
00:33 < Nikky> I guess I could just use gedit
00:33 < Nikky> like a champ
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00:33 < sir_lewk> if you want an IDE look at Eclipse
00:33 < Nikky> ew
00:33 < Nikky> I'll use gedit
00:33 < sir_lewk> k
00:33 < Nikky> :)
00:33 < jd19> nano is ok
00:33 < Nikky> normally I turn to bluefish for web stuffs
00:33 < Nikky> pico is better
00:33 < Dam\__> IMO:  Geany > Gedit < KATE/Kwrite
00:33 < Nikky> but bluefish is in PHP's pants
00:33 < sir_lewk> I prefer femto
00:33 < i_c-Y> Nikky: because its from UW?
00:34 < Nikky> i_c-Y: Of course.
00:34 < sir_lewk> femto kicks pico's and nano's asses
00:34 < Nikky> suck a fat one
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00:34 <@efneTI92> [Storm|wrk] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
00:35 <+mtgrss111> I really need to get a new version of Photoshop :/
00:35 < Storm|wrk> I need a suggestion for a good LGA 775 mobo, or at least a good brand to look for.
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00:35 < Nikky> What are you using mtgrss111?
00:35 <+mtgrss111> I've had 7.0 too long.
00:35 < Nikky> Oh
00:36 < Nikky> Yeah, probably
00:36 <@benryves> mtgrss111: I heard 7 was the last of the good versions. :\
00:36 < Nikky> CS2 is great
00:36 < Nikky> what are you talking about
00:36 < jd19> i still use 7.0 at work
00:36 < Nikky> CS3 is awesome too
00:36 < jd19> i dont do anything that special though
00:36 <+mtgrss111> !qfind porn
00:36 <@efneTI86> 807:KevinJB: <sjrberg> <--desktop | <sjrberg_> <--server | <Nikky> <-- horse porn | <_3fg><-- wants what Nikky has/is
00:36 <@efneTI86> 1025:patz2009: <Nikky> BrandonW: Can I come to take pictures? | <BrandonW> Fully-clothed ones, yes. | <Nikky> dang | <BrandonW> I could pull out the calculators... | <BrandonW> I still want to do that calculator porn site.
00:36 <@efneTI86> 733:sjrberg: * davr then proceeds to upload viruses and porns | <+BrandonW> I miss that calculator pr0n.
00:36 <@efneTI86> (Plus 2 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=porn&channel=tcpa&search=search)
00:36 <@benryves> I dunno. 7 is the only one I use, but I've heard lots of complaints (esp. with regards to GIF animations) in CS.
00:37 <+mtgrss111> Oh, it was BrandonW, not benryves o_O
00:37 <+mtgrss111> oop
00:37  * Dam\__ thinks that non-free software should be made free after a certain version.
00:37 < Nikky> benryves: lulz animated gifs
00:37 < Nikky> use PS for photos, gosh
00:37 <@benryves> mtgrss111: Well, glad to know I'm no longer "that calculator porn guy" in your mind.
00:37 <@benryves> Nikky: ImageReady
00:37 < Nikky> imageready sucks
00:37 <@benryves> Assuming ImageReady is still bundled with Photoshop?
00:37 <+mtgrss111> yes
00:37 < Nikky> probably
00:38 < Nikky> I don't use it
00:38 <@benryves> Nikky: Well, I do websites, so I do. :)
00:39 < i_c-Y> benryves: no
00:39 < i_c-Y> imageready was obliterated in cs3
00:39 < Nikky> Good.
00:39 < Storm|wrk> i_c-Y what was the case you thought I should get ffor that guy?
00:40 <@benryves> i_c-Y: Oh well. PS7 keeps griping about corrupted layers but appears to open CS4 files fine for the moment.
00:40 < i_c-Y> that happens if you use save with max compatibility - it kinda works in non CS versions.
00:40 < Storm|wrk> meh I prefer Gimp for most of the image stuff I do
00:41 < i_c-Y> Storm|wrk: dont remember. maybe it was CM690, Antec 900 or something?
00:41 < i_c-Y> gimp is for fags
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00:41 <@benryves> i_c-Y: Oh well, I'm up to about three dialogs to click through now every time I open a file (there's the usual text-layer-needs-updating one due to Mac OS).
00:41 < Storm|wrk> It was the Antec 900 but I want something windowless
00:41 < Storm|wrk> SO I'll keep looking
00:42 < i_c-Y> benryves: its worth upgrading to the CS series.
00:42 <@benryves> i_c-Y: Any particular reason? :\
00:42 <@benryves> 99% of what I do professionally with it could be done in Paint.NET as it is.
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00:43 < i_c-Y> actually you're doing all web type stuff , arent you
00:43 < i_c-Y> maybe move to fireworks?
00:43 <@benryves> Indeed, it's mostly chopping out designs with the occasional bit of editing to remove text that has accidentally been rasterised+flattened.
00:44 < Nikky> whore
00:44 < Merthsoft> i like Paint.NET
00:44 < Nikky> I like Merthsoft 
00:44 < Merthsoft> i don't know how to do all the fancy things, though
00:44 < Merthsoft> I like benryves 
00:45 <@benryves> i_c-Y: Paint.NET opens the files without complaining, if that's my main concern, but loses the guides. *shrugs* It's not a big deal. :D
00:45 < Nikky> haha, wtf www.calcg.org/dumb.jpg
00:45 < sir_lewk> the gimp is perfectly adaquate for 99% of user's needs, I don't see why it needs to get such a bad rap just because photoshop is superiour for some professionals
00:46 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Utterly shit UI.
00:46 < Nikky> Gimp sucks balls
00:46 < Nikky> yeah, the UI is crap in a can
00:46 < ports_> http://www.leasticoulddo.com/files/hot/A/Anderson,%20Capri/Capri_Anderson_03.jpg
00:46 < Nikky> YOu can't do any workflow with that shit
00:46 < Merthsoft> she scored below average!
00:46 < sir_lewk> benryves: I'm not a fan of the new UI for sure, but it's never gotten in my way
00:46 < i_c-Y> thats because you dont do anything useful, sir_lewk 
00:46 < i_c-Y> you're just a drain on society
00:46 < Nikky> haha, wtf www.calcg.org/bo.png is pretty good too
00:46 < i_c-Y> like ports_ 
00:46 < zeropod> benryves: you are on aweful late o.o
00:47 < ports_> http://www.leasticoulddo.com/files/hot/A/Anderson,%20Capri/Capri_Anderson_15.jpg
00:47 < Nikky> It's barly bast midnight
00:47 < sir_lewk> aha
00:47 < zeropod> Nikky: he is never on this late?
00:47 < Nikky> well, he is now!
00:47 < zeropod> i see
00:47 < zeropod> awesome!
00:47 < Merthsoft> barack obama is your new bicycle
00:47 < sir_lewk> "barack obama is your new bicycle" O.o
00:47 < zeropod> he stole my bicycle
00:47 <@benryves> Merthsoft: Shades of Flann O'Brien in that one. :D
00:48 < Merthsoft> !k ports_ seriously, say NSFW or something
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00:48 < sir_lewk> that shit is totally SFW
00:48 < sir_lewk> I'm in the porno industry
00:48 < Merthsoft> haha
00:48 < Merthsoft> good for you sir_lewk 
00:49 < Dam\__> Looks safe for work for me.
00:49 < Nikky> He plays a 14th century knight who happens to always run across women in distress.
00:49 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Phwoar, cop a load of this - http://fennerschool.anu.edu.au/publications/software/anuclim/spreadsheet-big.gif
00:49 < sir_lewk> http://barackobamaisyournewbicycle.com/ wtf
00:49 < Nikky> Who can only be cured with his long sword.
00:50 < Nikky> sir_lewk: that is very odd
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00:51 < sir_lewk> it's a book apparently
00:51 < sir_lewk> http://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obama-Your-New-Bicycle/dp/1592404162/
00:51  * Dam\__ tilts head.
00:51 < Storm|wrk> http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=7932274 ok this is what I have so far any comments?
00:51 < sir_lewk> I can't tell if it's satirical or serious :O
00:52 < sir_lewk> Storm|wrk: don't forget to buy a good aftermarket dev/null device
00:52 < Dam\__> sir_lewk:  It's "satricurious."
00:52 < Storm|wrk> lol
00:53 < Storm|wrk> if noone sees any issues I'll go ahead and email him the list
00:53 < Nikky> Whoohoo, Obama is going to visit canada next month!
00:53 < sir_lewk> and he's not coming back!!!
00:53 < Storm|wrk> yay
00:53 < i_c-Y> Storm|wrk: swithc to i7 given that you're buying a triple channel ram kit
00:53 < i_c-Y> or get a ddr2 mobo and ddr2 ram
00:53 < Storm|wrk> ok 
00:54 < sir_lewk> i7 is the worst proc name intel has come up with in a long time
00:54 < Nikky> Remove that Vista shit
00:54 < Nikky> that's step one
00:54 < i_c-Y> but given the budget, its only going to only increase your price by 100 if you go with i7.
00:54 < sir_lewk> sounds way to technical, no layman is going to remember "i7"
00:54 < i_c-Y> maybe like 60 actually
00:54 <+mtgrss111> vista =/= shit :(
00:54 < ports_> haha
00:54 < ports_> whats =/=
00:54 < sir_lewk> ==
00:54 < sir_lewk> he mistyped
00:54 <+mtgrss111> no, vista is not equal to shit
00:55 < sir_lewk> yes, yes it is.
00:55 <@benryves> Nothing wrong with Vista, a marked improvement over XP at any rate.
00:55 < Nikky> XP is way better.
00:55 < sir_lewk> get a blank HD and wait for win7 or something
00:55 < ports_> i like vista sometimes
00:55 < ports_> the problem with vista is drivers and app compatibility
00:55 <+mtgrss111> vista + bugfixes >>> XP
00:55 < ports_> so many old things just dont work on vista
00:55 <@benryves> ports_: Oh really?
00:55 <+mtgrss111> ports_: Oh really?
00:56 < Dam\__> When that dude got elected, some dude named Brock (no relation) went raging, yelling, "I hope someone shoots that motherfucker in the back of the head."
00:56 < ports_> o'reilly?
00:56 < sir_lewk> ports_: Oh really?
00:56 < i_c-Y> depends on if you're going to use vista 64 or 32, and how old you consider old.
00:56 < ports_> benryves, its not MS' fault that programmers got lazy and fat because XP was around so long
00:56 < Dam\__> In the hallway here in the dorm.
00:56 < sir_lewk> Dam\__: I prefer not to associate with racists
00:56 <@benryves> ports_: Which is why those screwed up apps work *better* on Vista than they do on XP.
00:56 < Nikky> XP is superior in all ways.
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00:56 < sir_lewk> shoulda reported him for harassment
00:56 < sir_lewk> harassment is the ultimate silencer
00:56 <+mtgrss111> Hell, Vista runs Office 97 perfectly :P
00:57 < Nikky> XP is superior in all ways.
00:57 < Storm|wrk> I would have to go for a speed loss to get the i7
00:57 < ports_> heh
00:57 < sir_lewk> good god, why would you want to run office 97?
00:57 < Storm|wrk> do you think its worth it?
00:57 < Nikky> You'll pry XP from my cold dead hands.
00:57 < sir_lewk> OOo is 97trillion times better than office 97
00:57 < ports_> haha
00:57 <@benryves> Meh, I'm using an old DOS CP/M emulator to link BBC BASIC - and it runs perfectly under Vista.
00:57 <+mtgrss111> Cause I'm broke as hell and could't register the Office that came with the laptop.
00:57 < sir_lewk> OOo is closer to ofice 2k3 levels for the average consumer
00:58 <@benryves> sir_lewk: What's an "average" consumer?
00:58 < ports_> its OOo a file sharing service?
00:58 < Nikky> yes
00:58 < ports_> isnt
00:58 < ports_> oh yeah
00:58 < i_c-Y> open office...
00:58 < sir_lewk> benryves: the average "gotta type a paper for class" guy
00:58 < ports_> i_c-Y, go eat some curry
00:58 < ports_> Dam\__, why are you racist?
00:58 < i_c-Y> go kill yourself
00:58 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Heh, my sister couldn't stand it, went and bought Office 2007 instead.
00:58 < ports_> Nikky, lets die
00:58 < ports_> group suicide!
00:58 < sir_lewk> some of Offices networking shit is needed by businesses, but most home consumers use it for nothing more than typing up flyers or homework, OOo would be fine
00:59 <+mtgrss111> Open Office is pretty cool. I have both just in case.
00:59 < Nikky> You go first.
00:59  * ports_ dies
00:59  * mtgrss111 dies
00:59 < i_c-Y> the world just became a better place.
00:59 <@benryves> I installed it too, but found it pretty slow/clunky so just use Office XP instead.
00:59 < sir_lewk> I switched of OOo at v1.5.x iirc
00:59 <@E-J> Dam\__ isn't racist, he is race realist
00:59 < ports_> i_c-Y, did you stop selling donuts?
00:59 < sir_lewk> or maybe v1.4.x
00:59 < i_c-Y> i like office 2k7
00:59 < Nikky> I like i_c-Y 
00:59 < sir_lewk> I thought Dam\__ was black
00:59 < i_c-Y> i like Nikky :)
01:00 < Nikky> Your place or mine
01:00 < sir_lewk> I thought Nikky was korean
01:00 <+mtgrss111> 0.999 of the torrent available? That sort of sucks.
01:00 < ports_> sir_lewk, he isnt koran
01:00 < Storm|wrk> Office 2k7 wins IMO
01:00 < i_c-Y> if its going to be more complicated than just indenting and typing in stuff, then ill typeset it in  latex.
01:00 < Nikky> I'm not Asian at all.
01:00 < ports_> nikky, is q-tip
01:00 < Nikky> Basically all European.
01:00 < ports_> short skinny and white with fluffy hair
01:00 < Storm|wrk> but OO is better than Office xp and below again IMO
01:00 < Nikky> also true
01:00 < Dam\__> ports_:  I'm not.  I really don't care 'bout what people say (to the point that I get the arms crossed, angry-type look from those of my own race, since I don't bother defending myself when I'm in the direct line of a racial slur or whatnot).
01:00 < sir_lewk> I refuse to learn a new GUI to do something I've been doing for more than a decade
01:00 < i_c-Y> nikky has fancy hair
01:01 < sir_lewk> thus, Office 2k7 is out the door
01:01 < Nikky> Dam\__: You could just kick.
01:01 < Nikky> Since you have those powerz
01:01 < ports_> Dam\__, are you black?
01:01 <@benryves> Storm|wrk: At least its spreadsheet software can open UTF-8 CSVs, something Excel couldn't do until 2003. :\
01:01 < Nikky> lulz Excel
01:01 < Dam\__> ports_:  Yes.
01:01 < ports_> Dam\__, oh that sucks :P
01:01 < Storm|wrk> exactly, office xp was 2002
01:01 <@benryves> Nikky: I know not of a more broken piece of software.
01:01 < Dam\__> Meh.
01:02 < sir_lewk> !t Welcome to #TCPA - The United States of TCPA | http://tcpa.calcg.org/
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01:02 < sir_lewk> better
01:02 <@benryves> I mean, saving clears the undo stack in Excel. And that includes autosaving.
01:02 <+mtgrss111> Nikky lieks Mudkipz! http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c119/metagross111/Nikky2.jpg
01:02 < Nikky> i r do
01:02 < sir_lewk> "I mean, saving clears the undo stack in Excel. And that includes autosaving." seriously?
01:02 < i_c-Y> benryves: however, when it counts, excel is a far better spreadsheet program
01:02 < Dam\__> Ha-ha, nice, mtgrss111.
01:02 < sir_lewk> that sounds horrible
01:03 <@benryves> (Can you open two spreadsheets with the same filename but in different directories in Excel these days?)
01:03 < ports_> benryves, i dont like how PP2007 resaves the whole file.. its slow
01:03 <+mtgrss111> I made it a while back.
01:03 < i_c-Y> infact, its THE program that keeps a ton of places on Office
01:03 < i_c-Y> benryves: ya
01:03 <@_Auron_> rotfl
01:03 < sir_lewk> powerpoint is a horrible piece of shit overused program
01:03 <@benryves> i_c-Y: Sod Orcale, it's *the* enterprise database engine.
01:04 < sir_lewk> no other program has indirectly caused me as much missery and boredom as powerpoint
01:04 <@_Auron_> lulz powerpoint
01:04 <@benryves> OneNote is nice.
01:04 < ports_> sir_lewk, what alternative is there
01:04 < sir_lewk> presentation apps in general
01:04 < sir_lewk> I hate them all
01:04 <+mtgrss111> I got my flash drive privileges taken away today at school o_O
01:04 < ports_> benryves, if i had a tablet pc. i would use Onenote
01:04 <@benryves> ports_: Harvard Graphics? :P
01:04 <@_Auron_> mtgrss111: how?
01:04 < sir_lewk> the alternative would be for people to learn how to do public speaking *properly*
01:04 < Storm|wrk> Its time for me to head home, I'll get back on as soon as get my Homework done.
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01:05 < sir_lewk> mtgrss111: next time don't watch hardcore porn in the school library
01:05 < ports_> sir_lewk, i use PP quite a bit in my work
01:05 < sir_lewk> I hate you.
01:05 < sir_lewk> :P
01:05 <@_Auron_> owned
01:05 <+mtgrss111> Well, I had somewhat kinda-sorta-on-accident started a HALO 16-Player CTF LAN match in the computer lab during lunch
01:05 < sir_lewk> it certianly has it's uses, but it's *way* overused
01:05 < sir_lewk> halo on the pc? fail
01:06 < i_c-Y> i first played halo on PC
01:06 < sir_lewk> get a real game pc game like quake
01:06 <+mtgrss111> the faculty seemed to deem this "innappropriate"
01:06 <@_Auron_> FPS on console is fail
01:06 < sir_lewk> indeed
01:06 < sir_lewk> but console fps on pc is even worse
01:06 <@_Auron_> not really
01:06 < sir_lewk> IMHO, it's much worse
01:06 < sir_lewk> but whatevs
01:07 < zeropod> console fps on the pc??
01:07 < Dam\__> FPS on the PC is easy for me.
01:07 < sir_lewk> I have work to do, bbl
01:07 <+mtgrss111> They traced the stories back to me, and I have been banned from using a flash drive in school computers for the rest of the year.
01:07 < Dam\__> I don't like it on the console, because I hate using the joypad.
01:07 < zeropod> there are console born fps'?
01:07 < sir_lewk> yes
01:07 < sir_lewk> like halo for instance
01:07 <@_Auron_> gears of war (tps? w/e)
01:07 < zeropod> sir_lewk: uhj...
01:07 < zeropod> *uhh
01:08 < sir_lewk> what
01:08 < zeropod> halo was born on a mac tyvm
01:08 < sir_lewk> Halo is primarily a console FPS
01:08 < zeropod> microsoft bought it, and forcedported it :)
01:08 < sir_lewk> it's gameplay and dificulty was designed with the Xbox as the target platform
01:08 <@benryves> sir_lewk: ie, dumbed-down.
01:08 <@_Auron_> regardless of initial existance
01:08 < sir_lewk> exactly
01:08 <+mtgrss111> Their shitty excuse was that I was ( quote ) "the source of incredible bandwidth consumption that inconvenienced faculty and students." That's what they wrote on my detention slip.
01:08 < zeropod> not that putting it on the xbox was bad
01:09 < zeropod> but even as an fps, it was still mac only
01:09 < sir_lewk> I don't give a shit what hardware the engine was originally meant to run on, the GAME was meant for consoles
01:09 <@_Auron_> mtgrss111: lmfao
01:09 <@benryves> zeropod: Huh? I played Halo on Windows PC :\
01:09 <@_Auron_> so use rewritable cds :D
01:09 < sir_lewk> benryves: he is talking about *early* in the development and planning stages
01:10 < zeropod> benryves: Halo as a game and story and such was designed for a mac until microsoft provided better hardware
01:10 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Oh, right.
01:10 < sir_lewk> nobody *seriously* considers Halo to be a mac game
01:10 < zeropod> sir_lewk: early?
01:10 < sir_lewk> yes.
01:10 < zeropod> i am not saying the finished product is a mac game
01:10 <+mtgrss111> It's still an incredible inconvenience. But the faculty was baised against me from the start. 
01:10 < sir_lewk> ie, it was never released for the Mac, it therefore is not a Mac FPS
01:10 <@_Auron_> now halo wars is coming out as what they intended it to be
01:10 <@benryves> sir_lewk: It was released for the Mac too
01:10 < zeropod> but, like any good fps, it started as a computer game
01:11 < sir_lewk> well whatever, it's still a console game
01:11 < zeropod> sir_lewk: played it on my mac two weeks ago
01:11 <@benryves> _Auron_: Halo Wars? Like Quake Wars, but Halo?
01:11 <@_Auron_> benryves: no, a full RTS
01:11 <+mtgrss111> They accused me of "rallying students to pollute the BCIS servers with questionable content"  that questionable content was a host of nintendo ROMs and emulators.
01:11 < zeropod> benryves: what halo was supposd to be
01:11 < sir_lewk> I don't care about what development it went through, it was ultimately released as a console game, tuned to console gameplay
01:11 < zeropod> mix of Marathon series and Myth series
01:11 < zeropod> sir_lewk: and sucks ass for it
01:12 <@benryves> mtgrss111: Uh, Nintendo ROMs *are* questionable content.
01:12 < sir_lewk> what you are saying is about as dumb as saying Quake III is a dreamcast game.
01:12 < zeropod> any *good* fps is a computer game
01:12 <+mtgrss111> benryves: not the point. the point was, they accused me for it. I had little to do with that incident.
01:12 < sir_lewk> sure it was released on the dreamcast, but it CLEARLY was designed and meant for the PC
01:12 < zeropod> quake 3 was ported to dreamcast?
01:12 < sir_lewk> yes
01:12 <@benryves> The PlayStation port of DOOM is not half bad, FWIW
01:13 < sir_lewk> it was one of the first FPSs to allow console vs pc online gameplay
01:13 <+mtgrss111> they can't really delete it because some student would just put it back up.
01:13 <@_Auron_> heh
01:13 < sir_lewk> that has fallen out of style because Quake players with mice *always* beat console players
01:13 < zeropod> i knew ut and hl were ported..
01:13 < sir_lewk> yeah, quake 3 too
01:13 < zeropod> i had a mouse for my dreamcast...
01:14 < sir_lewk> irrelevant.  that's not the primary input device
01:14 < zeropod> made shenmue easier
01:14 < sir_lewk> online gameplay between dreamcasts and PCs was a bad idea because the defacto input for dreamcasts was the controller and for PCs it was a mouse
01:14 <@benryves> Were there any major games released that ran on Windows?
01:15 < sir_lewk> the mouse proved itself to be a far superiour input device
01:15 <+mtgrss111> Bioshock?
01:15 <+mtgrss111> a guess.
01:15 <@_Auron_> benryves: from what?
01:15 < zeropod> sir_lewk: a finely tuned joystick can compete
01:15 < sir_lewk> nope
01:15 <@benryves> _Auron_: On the Dreamcast.
01:15 <@_Auron_> oh.
01:15 < sir_lewk> a finely tuned joystick agaist a 30 year mouse worked by a retard maybe
01:16 < zeropod> benryves: nope
01:16 <@benryves> zeropod: Not in an FPS, as joystick movement is relative; a mouse has instant, absolute movement.
01:16 < zeropod> benryves: true
01:16 <@benryves> Microsoft's push to make the Xbox 360 controller standard on Windows could work out well (though probably not for FPS).
01:17 < sir_lewk> playstation controllers were always far more comfortable for me (then again, I don't have typical hands)
01:18 < sir_lewk> carpal tunnal and shit
01:18 <@benryves> sir_lewk: They're too small and fiddly for my hands. :\
01:18 < zeropod> i liked the phoenix revolution controller
01:18 < sir_lewk> I like them because they're smaller, they don't "form" my hands as much
01:18 <@benryves> ♥ original Xbox controller. :D
01:19 < sir_lewk> they are also more symetrical, which I like
01:19 <@Andy_J> I love the 360 controller design
01:19 <@Andy_J> It makes sense to put a stick there instead of the d-pad
01:19 <@Andy_J> most games don't use the d-pad very much anymore
01:19 < zeropod> Andy_J: see Phoenix Revolution controller ;)
01:20 < zeropod> for racing games, both joysticks can be where the thumbs go
01:20 < zeropod> or such
01:20 <@Andy_J> I wouldn't use both sticks for racing
01:20 <@Andy_J> then you can't ride the brake.
01:20 < zeropod> yes you can
01:21 <@Andy_J> are the 360's face buttons pressure-sensitive?
01:21 < zeropod> map brake to a button
01:21 <@benryves> No, Andy_J. The original Xbox controller was, though.
01:21 <@Andy_J> That's odd.
01:21 < zeropod> fail
01:21 <@Andy_J> I'd use the triggers for gas and break, tbh.
01:21 < zeropod> besides
01:21 < zeropod> why would you ride the brake??
01:21 <@Andy_J> and button for brake == no sensitively
01:22 <@Andy_J> well
01:22 <@Andy_J> it's a faster transition than a stick, too
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01:22 < zeropod> better yet
01:22 <@benryves> Andy_J: Enter the bizarre world of the Xbox 360's DirectInput drivers.
01:22 <@Andy_J> benryves: oh god.
01:22 < zeropod> why would you not need a joystick for gas/brake
01:22 <@benryves> I don't mind the two triggers on a single axis as much as the lack of vibrate/rumble. :(
01:23 <@Andy_J> It is my personal opinion that a stick for gas/brake is stupid.
01:23 <@Andy_J> wait, what?
01:23 <@Andy_J> I thought there was rumble >_>
01:23 <@Andy_J> the triggers on the same axis is sooooo stupid
01:23 < zeropod> the original xbox controller is odd sometimes
01:24 <@benryves> Andy_J: Nope, no rumble either. The triggers on the same axis works pretty well for strafing, though.
01:24 < zeropod> the joysticks float is odd places
01:24 <@benryves> The XInput drivers work as you'd expect (separate triggers, rumble/vibrate) and XInput is an extremely easy to use API, but that won't help old games.
01:26 < Dam\__> Is "GIF" supposed to be pronounced like the peanut butter or like something you'd give to your girlfriend?
01:27 <@benryves> Hard G.
01:27 < sir_lewk> what would I give my girlfriend?
01:27 < sir_lewk> "gif", not "jif"
01:27 < zeropod> cunnalingus
01:28 < sir_lewk> lol
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01:45 < ports_> mm yogurt
01:45 < ports_> keeps you regular
01:45 < Ox40> I got my desk today!!!
01:47 < Merthsoft> i'm back
01:50 < ports_> cool
01:50 < ports_> im eating yogurt
01:50 <@_Auron_> yay will download tonight's lost tomorrow
01:51 < millinao> yay there's a lost tonight
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01:53 < Dam\__> *Rubbing his mousing hand, which is in pain.*  Maybe I should consider a non-mouse window manager after all.
01:56 <+prime> just dont jack off so much
01:58 < Dam\__> *Rolls eyes.*  The mice I use aren't very good for long-time use.
01:58 < Dam\__> Or mouse, if the Touchpad does not count as a mouse.
02:07 <+prime> <@prime> mike, you have a kid?
02:07 <+prime> <@mike> I have a stepdaughter.
02:07 <+prime> <@mike> yeah, we made her take a bath so we can smoke a bowl.
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02:08 < millinao> haha what
02:09 <+prime> <@prime> lol, she doesnt know you smoke?
02:09 <+prime> <@mike> shes got the mind of an 8 year old dude..we dont want her knowing that we smoke pot...and she tells gramma or mrs huffyteacherlady 
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02:11 <+prime> i missed copying mike saying she is 16
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02:14 < ports_> what
02:15 < millinao> dayum
02:15 < millinao> i think her, or him, or both of them are very very screwed up
02:16 < Ox40> I programmed something
02:16 < Ox40> and it worked the first time!
02:16 < Ox40> ohmygod
02:16 <@benryves> Ox40: That means there is a bug.
02:16 < millinao> hello world doesn't count
02:17 < Nikky> Ox40: I've recieved your application as a replacement troll, and I just don't think you're ready for it yet.
02:17 < Nikky> Thanks for applying though!
02:18 < millinao> haha
02:18 < Merthsoft> application?
02:18 < Merthsoft> replacement?
02:18 < Merthsoft> ARE YOU LEAVING!
02:18 < Merthsoft> FUCK YOU BETTER NOT LEAVE ME!
02:18 < Merthsoft> I'll fucking kill you.
02:19 <+mtgrss111> >:O
02:19 <+prime> if you leave ill likk Merthsoft so he cant stop you from leaving
02:19 < Nikky> No, I'm not.
02:19 <+mtgrss111> Nikky is leaving?
02:19 < Ox40> Nikky: no, it works...
02:19 <+prime> likk= kill
02:19 < Nikky> But a proper troll apprentanceship takes years.
02:19 <+mtgrss111> prime wants Nikky gone.
02:19 <+prime> i want YOU gone
02:20 < millinao> NIKKY DONT LEAVE
02:20 < Nikky> I never said I was. Gosh
02:21 < ports_> lol
02:21 < ports_> wait
02:21 < ports_> Nikky, you remember when prime used to be an ubertool?
02:21 < Nikky> Yes.
02:21 < Nikky> Ox40 replaced him in that role.
02:22 < Nikky> Now we like prime 
02:22 < ports_> Nikky, we broke prime.
02:22 < millinao> Ox40 will always be a tool until he doesn't wear a beanie cap anymore
02:23  * Ox40 goes to find his beanie
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02:23 < Ox40> found it
02:23 < Ox40> mmm warm head
02:24 < Nikky> my hat is better http://nykida.net/images/Swappy/reading.jpg
02:25 < Ox40> fuzzy is a plus
02:25 < Ox40> but, the design sucks
02:25 < Nikky> Since when do you use linux?
02:25 < Nikky> Wait, nevermind.
02:25 <+prime> ?
02:25 < Ox40> and the emo self-pic is loserville for sure
02:25 < Nikky> Wrong channel.
02:26 < ports_> when i fart its loud
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02:27 < Ox40> wow ports_...
02:27 < Nikky> Does it smell like Ox40?
02:27 <+prime> that is uncalled for Nikky
02:27 < Nikky> Probably.
02:27 < Nikky> What are you going to do about it?
02:27 < ports_> nah it doesnt smell
02:27 < ports_> it was just loud
02:27 < Nikky> Stop distracting me, I'm trying to read.
02:28 < ports_> what are you reading
02:29 < millinao> self help books
02:30 < Ox40> lol, I bet my roommate that I didnt need to defrag my Harddrive....
02:31 < Ox40> http://Ox40.us/aw-snap.png
02:31 < Ox40> I lose.
02:33 < millinao> hahahahaha
02:33 < millinao> how does that even happen
02:33 < millinao> like, how does all of that red just dissapear
02:33 < Ox40> millinao: look at the very bottom, its at 3% ;)
02:34 < Ox40> Thats my data drive... O.o
02:34 < Ox40> thats what I get for programming, huh?
02:34 < millinao> hah
02:35 <@_Auron_> time for more mirror's edge
02:35 < Merthsoft> my disks defrag every week
02:35 < Ox40> I had mine set to do that too...
02:35 < Ox40> O.o didnt check it, I guess.
02:36 < Ox40> WAit a second... back up.
02:36 < Ox40> Did Nikky really make a fart joke?
02:41 < millinao> hey guys should i play runescape
02:42 < ticalcnoa> no
02:42 < Ox40> no
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02:43 < Dam\__> NO.
02:44 < Merthsoft> noo
02:44 < millinao> ok i am
02:46 < TD-Linux> Ox40, what FS is that?
02:46 < TD-Linux> oh NTFS d'oh
02:46 < millinao> i heard that woodcutting is a fun part of the game
02:46 < TD-Linux> I thought NTFS wasn't supposed to get that much fail
02:46 < TD-Linux> millinao, when I played it, I never woodcutted :P
02:47 < millinao> fuckin' magic trees man
02:47 < Ox40> TD-Linux: that is literally my "My Documents" drive...
02:47 < Ox40> so, its all my programming stuff...
02:47 < millinao> god that was worse than WoW
02:47 < TD-Linux> there exists no defragmenter for my FS
02:47 < Ox40> text files in programming get so messed up...
02:47 < Ox40> TD-Linux: faillll
02:47 < TD-Linux> though I don't notice any performance problems
02:47 < Merthsoft> my friend defrags his flash drive. i tell him he's stupid
02:47 < TD-Linux> my drive has <1GB free normally
02:48 < millinao> honestly, who here paid for RS in their younger years
02:48 < TD-Linux> it might be fragmented pretty badly
02:48 < TD-Linux> I never paid
02:48 < TD-Linux> I used haxx to run it in an appletviewer
02:48 <+mtgrss111> millinao: honestly? me.
02:48 < Merthsoft> my girlfriend's brother does. does that count?
02:49 < Ox40> Anyone here good with mod_rewrite?
02:49 <+mtgrss111> however, my attention was really captivated by member's world.
02:49 <+mtgrss111> for about half a year.
02:49 < Ox40> "RewriteRule ^.*$ index.php [NC,L]"
02:50 < millinao> i used to play for like 4 hours a day
02:50 < millinao> ._.
02:50 < ticalcnoa> same I was a moderator
02:51 <+mtgrss111> me too. but it got boring, same as WoW and Guild Wars.
02:51 < millinao> ooh i should play guild wars again
02:51 < millinao> :P
02:51 <+mtgrss111> i still have my copy installed. the fact there is no subscription occasionally lets me randomly log in sometimes.
02:52 < millinao> GW was a lot more fun than the others, farming was only something done if you wanted to
02:52 <+mtgrss111> true.
02:52 < Ox40> halllppppppp
02:52 <+mtgrss111> though i did sort of wish it had more elements from runescape
02:52 < millinao> hahahaha
02:53 <+mtgrss111> What did you main? I normally went as W/E with emphasis on adrenaline skills
02:53 < millinao> E/W (it worked)
02:53 <+mtgrss111> some people can do it well.
02:54 < millinao> my alt was A/N i think
02:54 < jd19> okay...
02:54 <+mtgrss111> GW was really fun, but I lost interest at some point and never bother picking up Nightfall.
02:54 < millinao> nightfall was boring as hell
02:54 < millinao> factions was more fun
02:54 < millinao> although nightfall had better classes to pick from
02:54 <+mtgrss111> factios WAS fun. I used to be a pretty nice guild leader.
02:55 < millinao> fuuck now i have to play again
02:55 <+mtgrss111> we had about 30 people, and we were in a larger alliance.
02:55 < millinao> let's play again man
02:55 <+mtgrss111> i stepped down and gave leadership to someone else though, when i lost interest.
02:55 <+mtgrss111> hmm, that could be fun.
02:56 <+mtgrss111> you unlocked hard mode in Prophecies with any of your characters?
02:56 < millinao> yeah
02:56 < millinao> i beat the game 100% on my main
02:56 < millinao> but i think he got deleted
02:57 <+mtgrss111> cool. lets meet up at ascalon and kill a few things in hard mode.
02:58 < millinao> i don't think i have a 20
02:58 < millinao> i dunno
02:58 <+mtgrss111> hmm, that's a problem;
02:58 < millinao> although they take like, 4 days
02:58 <+mtgrss111> guess i can help you out with one of your lower level characters
02:58 < millinao> did you get EOTN
02:59 <+mtgrss111> Yep, but I lost interest in the middle of it, and right now don't have much drive to pursue it.
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03:01 < millinao> i'm probably going to redownload it tonight
03:01 <+mtgrss111> lol, uninstalled it?
03:01 < millinao> yeha
03:01 <+mtgrss111> it will take a while to download, but im up for some slaying tomorrow.
03:01 < millinao> all 3 are 30$ now
03:02 < millinao> all together
03:02 <+mtgrss111> holy shit.
03:02 < millinao> ya
03:02 <+mtgrss111> still, only a matter of time before guild wars 2
03:03 <+mtgrss111> but honestly, I'm more psyched about Star Trek Online. that game just oozes awesomeness, and not simply because it's star trek.
03:04 < obnauticu> Hawaii chair!
03:04 <+mtgrss111> hell, I've only cared for Voyager, but this whole "exploration" and "new worlds" bit really caught on to me.
03:05 < millinao> i'm leaving now, it's downloadin'
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03:05 <+mtgrss111> the FPS mode looks awesome too, i wonder how the world generator will work.
03:05 <+mtgrss111> see ya then.
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03:10 < Nikky> Ox45?
03:11 < jd19> 69?
03:11 < Ox45> :)
03:12 <+mtgrss111> Some weird Netham45 x Ox40 incident, apparently.
03:12 < Dam\__> jd19:  You did that in your head?
03:12 <+Netham45> huh
03:12 <+Netham45> ?
03:12 < jd19> yeah
03:12 < Nikky> mtgrss111: haha
03:12 < jd19> that one was easy
03:12 <+mtgrss111> sup Netham45
03:12 <+Netham45> hey
03:12 < Dam\__> Okay, how about 0x8F?
03:13 < jd19> 123
03:13 < Dam\__> s:2:4: #and you would have got it.
03:14 < jd19> huh?
03:17 < Ox45> lol
03:17 < Tari> it was 143, not 123
03:17 < Ox45> yeah, my nickname is really esay
03:17 < Ox45> easy
03:18 < jd19> oh, you're right
03:18 <+mtgrss111> hmm, as long as Netham45's hanging around...
03:18 <+mtgrss111> http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c119/metagross111/netham45.jpg
03:18 < jd19> i did 16x8 but i accidentally made that 108
03:18 < jd19> should have been 128
03:18 < jd19> not as good at math since i left school heh
03:19 < Tari> http://assets.couponfu.com/lb/generate/img/coupons/345/972/208_netham45_escort_coupon.jpg
03:19 < Tari> ^^ bettar
03:20 < Tari> because it uses the picture of him as a pimp
03:20 <+mtgrss111> i liked mine better. there was actually a story behind it.
03:20 <+Netham45> Earth: it's the largest planet in the world. :)
03:20 < jd19> 30% off how much
03:20 <+Netham45> approximately 55% more.
03:21 < jd19> OH!
03:22 < Ox45> if im doing I like Tari's :)
03:22 < Ox45> wait
03:22 < Ox45> s/if im doing//
03:22 < Ox45> if im doing class extends abstract class waitasecond
03:23 < Merthsoft> argh, i can't figure out how to pass 2d arrays as parameters in C
03:23 < Tari> just a pointer
03:23 < Merthsoft> something like char** makes it complain
03:24 < Tari> I think you'd just want char*
03:24 <@Andy_J> is it a 2d array of chars?
03:24 <@Andy_J> er, char strings.
03:24 < Merthsoft> Tari: it's 2D
03:24 < Merthsoft> Andy_J: yeah
03:24 <@Andy_J> I'm no C ninja, but... char*** maybe?
03:25 < Tari> but...
03:25 <@Andy_J> you have a pointer to the array
03:25 <@Andy_J> which has a pointer to another array
03:25 <@Andy_J> which has a pointer to the string
03:25 < Merthsoft> char* is a string. char** is an array of strings...
03:25 < Ox45> YAY
03:25 <@Andy_J> or am I doing it wrong
03:25 < Tari> say strs[] is at &foo
03:25 < Ox45> I got my MVC controller working!
03:25 <@Andy_J> Merthsoft: by that logic, a 2d array of strings should be char***
03:25 < Tari> strs[0] is at foo in memory
03:26 <+mtgrss111> I think it's a fallacy no one has ever heard of "Crista Caelestis"
03:26 < Tari> actually
03:26 < Tari> ignore me
03:26 < Merthsoft> char* is the single array (string). char** is the array of char*s which are strings
03:26 <@Andy_J> right
03:26 < Merthsoft> char*** would point to the array of strings
03:26 < Merthsoft> i'll try
03:26 <@Andy_J> is it a single array of strings, or a 2d array of strings?
03:27 <@Andy_J> would it be String[] or String[][] in Java?
03:27 <@Andy_J> <_<
03:27 < Merthsoft> single array of strings. sorry
03:27 < Merthsoft> String[]
03:27 <@Andy_J> oh well then dunno why char** doesn't work
03:27 < Merthsoft> it sayd server.c:278: warning: passing argument 3 of âremoveFromArrayâ from incompatible pointer type
03:27 < Tari> char** is an array of pointers
03:27 <@Andy_J> prototype and invocation plz?
03:28 < Merthsoft> void removeFromArray(int i, int* con, char** name, int arraySize);
03:28 < Merthsoft> removeFromArray(i, client_sfd, nick, numconnections); // [TODO] make this work
03:28 <@Andy_J> declaration of nick?
03:28 < Merthsoft> char nick[MAXCLIENT][NICKSIZE];
03:29 <@Andy_J> &nick in the call perhaps?
03:29 < Merthsoft> nope
03:29 <@Andy_J> wait.
03:29 <@Andy_J> that's on the stack, not in the heap
03:30 < Merthsoft> mhmm
03:30 <@Andy_J> i.e. it isn't a pointer
03:30 < Tari> it seems that char** is indeed correct
03:31 <@Andy_J> It doesn't have pointers when it's on the stack.
03:31 <@Andy_J> It's just a chunk of memory.
03:33 < Merthsoft> so how do i send it?
03:33 < Merthsoft> char[][] it doesn't likke. char[][NICKSIZE] is doesn't like. char[MAXCLIENT][] it doesn't like. char[MAXCLIENT][NICKSIZE] is doesn;t like
03:34 <@Andy_J> have you tried an explicit cast to (char**) (not guaranteeing that will work)
03:34 < Ox45> char[nicksize,maxclient] ?
03:34 < Ox45> lol
03:34 <@Andy_J> it should compile
03:34 < i_c-Y> when you pass a 2 dimensional array in C, you specify one of the dimensions . 
03:34 <@Andy_J> but it might not work
03:34 < Merthsoft> compiled
03:34 <@Andy_J> oh right, i_c-Y 
03:34 < Merthsoft> i just said i've tried it
03:34 < Tari> dag
03:34 < Tari> I was about to say what i_c-Y just did
03:35 <@Andy_J> except my test still isn't working with that
03:35 < i_c-Y> example: int merthsoftisamoron(char [][NUMBEROFCOLLUMNS]) {}
03:35 <@Andy_J> oh
03:35 <@Andy_J> in the prototype
03:35 < Merthsoft> i said i tried that and it didn't work
03:36 < i_c-Y> if you have K&R, theres a special highlight of this at the end of the 5th chapter ish i believe.
03:36 < i_c-Y> its also in stroustroup
03:36 <@Andy_J> ajanata@fuery:~$ cat asdf.c && gcc asdf.c
03:36 <@Andy_J> void asdf (char a[3][3]) {}
03:36 <@Andy_J> int main() {  char foo[3][3]; asdf(foo); }
03:36 <@Andy_J> {505} ajanata@fuery:~$ 
03:36 <@Andy_J> since you're not mallocing the array you have to do it like that
03:36 < Merthsoft> server.c:42: error: expected â;â, â,â or â)â before ânameâ
03:37 < Merthsoft> void removeFromArray(int i, int* con, char[MAXCLIENT][NICKSIZE] name, int arraySize);
03:37 <@Andy_J> no
03:37 <@Andy_J> not after char
03:37 <@Andy_J> after name
03:37 < Merthsoft> oh shit
03:37 < i_c-Y> page 112 in K&R (section 5.9)
03:37 < Merthsoft> i'ma  fecking moron
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03:38 < i_c-Y> essentially you have an array of arrays of size n where n is the # of columns
03:38 < i_c-Y> so you have to specify the # of columns
03:38 < Merthsoft> fecking awesome
03:38 < Merthsoft> works now, thanks
03:38 <@Andy_J> i_c-Y: I only got it to compile when I specified both dimensions
03:38 <@Andy_J> since it's on the stack
03:38  * Tari needs to get a copy of k&r...
03:38 < Merthsoft> i don't mind specifying both, i know both
03:38  * Merthsoft too
03:39 <@Andy_J> Merthsoft: this is going to copy that ENTIRE array onto the stack for every function call
03:39 <@Andy_J> you really should malloc it
03:39 < i_c-Y> my copy of K&R is signed by Kernighan :)
03:39 <@Andy_J> so you actually have a pointer
03:39 < i_c-Y> that gives me +99999999999999999999999999999999999 coolness
03:39 < i_c-Y> (and no that doesnt cause an overflow)
03:39 < Merthsoft> Andy_J: Sounds boring
03:39 <@Andy_J> Merthsoft: you're just going to waste a lot of CPU cycles copying data around for no reason
03:39 <@Andy_J> and risk running out of stack space
03:40 < Merthsoft> should i just grow the array as people join then?
03:40 < i_c-Y> Andy_J: you have to specify the second dimension
03:40 < i_c-Y> int foobar(char a[][409234098243]) {} will work
03:41 <@Andy_J> oh hm yeah.
03:41 <@Andy_J> Merthsoft: you can use realloc, but it isn't guaranteed to work
03:41 <@Andy_J> you'd have to pay attention to return codes
03:41 < i_c-Y> the first [] can be accessed as a pointer in 1d and the rest of the []
03:41 < i_c-Y> 's act as a type
03:42 < Merthsoft> Andy_J: so i should just malloc it once in the beginning?
03:42 < i_c-Y> Merthsoft: what are you trying to do
03:42 < Merthsoft> char* nick[NICKSIZE];?
03:42 < Merthsoft> i_c-Y: This is a char server, and that's the array of nicknames
03:42 < Merthsoft> chat*
03:42 < i_c-Y> id think that youd be using structs to maintain user information
03:43 < Merthsoft> well i'm not so chill out
03:43 <@Andy_J> I'm not a C ninja >_>
03:43 <@Andy_J> anyway I need to get to bed
03:44 <@Andy_J> still ill :(
03:44 < Merthsoft> night Andy_J 
03:45 < Merthsoft> so, does char* nick[NICKSIZE]; work?
03:46 < Nikky> whore
03:46 < i_c-Y> in C you dont do char*.
03:47 < i_c-Y> (well it's acceptable, but you SHOULD be using char *nick[NICKSIZE];)
03:52 < Merthsoft> char* nick[NICKSIZE];
03:52 < Merthsoft> 	nick = malloc(MAXCLIENT); dosn't work :/
03:54 < Merthsoft> i_c-Y: I need your help because i'm dumb :)
03:54 < Merthsoft> :(*
03:54 < i_c-Y> because nick is an array.
03:54 < i_c-Y> nick is an array of pointers to characters
03:55 < i_c-Y> so you can allocate NICKSIZE number of strings in nick
03:55 < Merthsoft> :/
03:55 < i_c-Y> nick[0] is of the type char*
03:56 < i_c-Y> (though we should really be saying "char *")
03:56 < i_c-Y> different idea than from C++
03:56 < Merthsoft> imma just do it the old way
03:57 < Merthsoft> fuck, still doesn't work...
03:58 < i_c-Y> what are you trying to do?
03:58 < Merthsoft> remove a name from the list
03:59 < i_c-Y> well, if you malloc stuff, you can free it.
04:00 < i_c-Y> but you cant delete an array element - use a sentinal value or something.
04:00 < i_c-Y> though i dont see why this is being done in this manner
04:01 < Merthsoft> yeah, i'm just setting the file descriptor to -1 for now
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04:04 <+Netham45> ...
04:04 <+Netham45> fucking fuck fuck fuck
04:04  * Netham45 checks to see if his server crashed
04:04 < Ox45> ...
04:04 < Ox45> why...
04:04 < Ox45> do you have a clone on your server?
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04:04 < i_c-Y> !k NethamSvr clone
04:04 -!- NethamSvr was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [i_c-Y: clone]
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04:04 < i_c-Y> !k NethamSvr autorejoin
04:05 -!- NethamSvr was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [i_c-Y: autorejoin]
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04:05 <+Netham45> hmm, ok, was just xchat crashing
04:05 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v NethamSvr] by efneTI81
04:06 < Ox45> Netham45: I suggest you get rid of that clone in a hurrt
04:06 < Ox45> y
04:06 < Ox45> or you both will be banned, as you have the same IP and name
04:06 <+Netham45> I don't see how it's hurting anything.
04:06 <+Netham45> besides, numerous people keep clones in here.
04:06 < Ox45> Its pointless.
04:07 < Ox45> what does it do?
04:07 <+Netham45> it's what I use when I'm at school
04:07 <+Netham45> and it IRCs...
04:07 < Ox45> 1.) Get an IRC client on your computer for when you are at school
04:07 <+Netham45> any other stupid obvious questions?
04:07 < Ox45> 2.) please get rid of the clone.
04:07 < jd19> dawn of the dead is on
04:07 -!- Ox45 is now known as Ox40
04:07 < jd19> for a plain old zombie movie, i like it
04:08  * Netham45 wonders why Ox40's being such a nazi tonight
04:09 < jd19> you should just log into a shell and irc from there :)
04:09 <+Netham45> that pretty much is my shell
04:10 <+Netham45> I just don't use it when I'm on my desktop
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04:12 -!- NethamSvr was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [Banned: Clone with no purpose, refused to part]
04:15 <+mtgrss111> Yeah, way to punish the clone. it's not the clones fault :P
04:15 <+mtgrss111> Clones have feelings too!
04:15 < Ox40> lol
04:15 <+mtgrss111> nice to see you've dropped the five.
04:16 < Ox40> :)
04:17 < Ox40> had to to ident and get on the party line
04:17 <+Netham45> you can ident without changing your nick
04:17 <+Netham45> /msg bot ident pass nick
04:17 <+mtgrss111> o_O
04:17 < Ox40> yeah, but I also changed because im not ox45...
04:18 <+Netham45> you're OxDouche. :)
04:18 <+mtgrss111> -__
04:18 < i_c-Y> Netham45: you should run irssi-proxy or some bnc or something if you want to connect from multiple pc's
04:18 < Ox40> i_c-Y: or.... download... a client?
04:19 <+Netham45> i_c-Y, oor I could use the setup I've been using for almost 3 weeks without anyone caring
04:19 <+Netham45> or*
04:19 <@_Auron_> dexter season 3, hooooo
04:20 < Ox40> _Auron_: GREAT show
04:20 <+mtgrss111> i honestly never cared for it.
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04:27 <@efneTI92> [NethamSvr] Narf!
04:28 < millinao> fuuuck
04:28 < millinao> i can't remember ANY of my guild wars account information
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04:29 < millinao> and i for sure put in fake birth dates and address stuff, so i can't contact support
04:30 <+mtgrss111> you moron...
04:30 <+mtgrss111> even fake email?
04:30 <+mtgrss111> if you know your email, you can get all that info back.
04:30 < millinao> nope
04:30 < millinao> can't do that
04:31 < millinao> because it's tied to a playNC account, so the email thing won't work
04:31 <+mtgrss111> you forgot?
04:31 < millinao> i don't know the playNC details either
04:31 < millinao> hahaha
04:31 < millinao> well i didn't forget
04:31 <+mtgrss111> wow. you ARE thick >_<
04:31 <+mtgrss111> i put REAL info in so I wouldn't forget
04:32 < millinao> what happened is that a while ago someone logged on to my acc, and my friend got worried and advised that i changed my password
04:32 < Nikky> Why are we banning netham?
04:32 < Nikky> Hasn't he dones that for months?
04:32 < Nikky> Like netham45/46?
04:32 <+Netham45> Nikky, apparantly they don't loke my clones all the sudden.
04:32 < millinao> i didn't have the game installed, so i let him do it
04:32 <+mtgrss111> we only banned his bot.
04:32 <+Netham45> it wasn't a bot
04:32 < millinao> and then i forgot the password
04:32 < millinao> hahaha
04:32 <+mtgrss111> clone, then
04:32 < Nikky> It's a bot like V200 is a bot
04:32 < Nikky> aka, not
04:33 <+Netham45> Nikky, unban please?
04:33 < Nikky> dunno
04:33 < Nikky> we'll let it expire
04:33 < Nikky> I don't care *that* much
04:33 <+Netham45> when's it expire?
04:33 <+mtgrss111> hmm....
04:33 < Nikky> no clue
04:33 < Nikky> 30 days, it seems
04:33 < Nikky> You must have really pissed someone off!
04:33 <+mtgrss111> Don't be irritating.
04:33 <+mtgrss111>   <--- maybe the clone violated this rule?
04:33 <+Netham45> oh, I got a fix for that then.
04:33 < Nikky> just change the nick
04:34 < Nikky> it's a nick based ban
04:34 <+Netham45> yea, was just about to.
04:34 < Nikky> Although I agree you should probablt use one client
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04:34 <@efneTI92> [HamSvr45] Narf!
04:34 <+mtgrss111> why is this clone so important?
04:34 < Nikky> Not sure.
04:34 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v HamSvr45] by efneTI92
04:34 < Nikky> If you use it from school, why not from home too?
04:34 < jd19> i do not understand either.
04:35 <+Netham45> Because I prefer something running locally on my desktop
04:35 < Nikky> that's stupid
04:35 <+Netham45> just preference
04:35 <+mtgrss111> mayhaps Netham45 is cementing his presence here?
04:35 < Nikky> I doubt it.
04:35 <+Netham45> yea, I'm slowly taking root in the channel
04:35 < Nikky> jd19: Are you a new user?
04:35 < jd19> new to the channel or new to irc?
04:35 < millinao> you know what I hate? when someone texts you and refuses to say who they are
04:36 < Nikky> Punch them in the balls.
04:36 < jd19> some girl sends me picture messages and i have no clue who she is
04:36 < jd19> and she wont tell me who she is
04:36 <+Netham45> haha, once, one of my friends got a wrong number nude photo.
04:36 <+Netham45> she was so creeped out
04:36 < jd19> they are semi-nude photos she sends me
04:36 < jd19> and shes fairly attractive
04:36 < Nikky> jd19: channel
04:36 <+mtgrss111> it was probably nude Netham45\
04:37 < jd19> oh yeah, i am
04:37 < Nikky> actually, there are a lot of new users
04:37 <+mtgrss111> yo
04:37  * mtgrss111 is new
04:37 <+Netham45> mtgrss111, did it have a giant shoop face on it?
04:37 <+mtgrss111> I dunno, it's YOUR creeped-out friend you're sending nude pics too.
04:38 <+Netham45> oh, I didn't send those, they were some girl who sent them
04:38 < jd19> what'd she look like
04:38 <+mtgrss111> ...
04:38 <+mtgrss111> right...
04:38 <+Netham45> it was some girls boobs, with "Want these, big daddy?" as the message
04:38 <+mtgrss111> she looked nude, probably
04:39 <+mtgrss111> http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c119/metagross111/netham45.jpg
04:39 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v jd19] by efneTI86
04:39 <+jd19> gracias
04:39  * Netham45 's FIRIN' HIS LAZER!
04:39 <+mtgrss111> bold'd
04:39 <+Netham45> pew pew pew.
04:39 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v zeropod] by efneTI86
04:39 < millinao> oh wait there's one thing I hate worse
04:39 <+Netham45> http://kaction.com/badfanfiction/
04:40 <+Netham45> that site is funny
04:40 < millinao> when you try to look up a phone number and the listings service makes you pay for the listing
04:40 < Nikky> Oh hey obnauticu, I didn't realize you were from the great state of Washington!
04:40 < Nikky> Dam\__: Is pyromania you?
04:40 < Dam\__> No.
04:40 < Nikky> k
04:40 < pyromania> no
04:40 < Spengo> I downloaded that mirror's edge game
04:40 < Spengo> it's actually surprisingly entertaining
04:40 <+Netham45> pirate.
04:41 < Spengo> oho I never said that
04:41 < Spengo> I *could* have bought it on steam
04:41 < Spengo> ;)
04:41 <+Netham45> idiot!
04:41 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v pyromania] by etaonrish, efneTI86, efneTI80
04:41 <+mtgrss111> "Your challenge is to write crossover fanfiction combining Super Mario Bros. and Mr. Ed. The story should use alternate dimensions as a plot device!"
04:41 < Spengo> I'll never understand why she can't just jam one of the 1911s in her pants though
04:41 <+mtgrss111> ...
04:41 <+mtgrss111> wow
04:41 < Spengo> always gotta drop your firearm when you wanna start jumping on bulidings again
04:41 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v obnauticu] by Remius
04:41 <+mtgrss111> "Your challenge is to write crossover fanfiction combining Pokemon and Nancy Drew. The story should use an orgy as a plot device!"
04:41 <+Netham45> mtgrss111, Your challenge is to write crossover fanfiction combining Tarzan and Slaughterhouse 5. The story should use bondage as a plot device!
04:42 <+mtgrss111> o_O
04:42 < millinao> it would be way too OP spengo
04:42 < Spengo> I get that the other guns are too big and unwieldy, but she should be able to carry a 1911 while being spiderman
04:42 < Spengo> always have to disarm one of the police before you can slaughter the rest :P
04:42 <+Netham45> hmm, I might 'acquire' that game
04:42 < millinao> there would be like no challenge if you could do everything *and* shoot
04:42 <+Netham45> is it worth the like 4GB download?
04:42 < Nikky> obnauticu zeropod jd19 pyromania: Welcome to #tcpa! You have a bot account now, and voice (for topic changes and adding quotes). Please set a password with /msg efneti86 insertyourpasswordhere :)
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04:42 < Spengo> millinao, well not be able to shoot WHILE you are jumping of course, but just carry it with you
04:43 < Spengo> so you don't have to do the stupid disarm a cop minigame every time
04:43 <+Netham45> if I get it, it'll be for the 360
04:43 < Spengo> which means pressing R to slow down time and then pressing the disarm button when their gun turns red
04:43 <+Netham45> I havn't been into PC gaming much recently
04:43 < Spengo> they can't shoot for shit so you can run right up to them :P
04:43 <+mtgrss111> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/457-Mirrors-Edge
04:43 < Spengo> yeah I saw that
04:43 <+pyromania> is it actually working without freezing now?
04:43 < Spengo> I haven't gotten to stuck inside ugly corridors yet
04:44 < Spengo> I'm still at the cool part where you get to jump on buildings
04:44 <+jd19> am i supposed to get feedback from that bot
04:44 < Spengo> pyromania, yeah
04:44 < Spengo> they released a patch
04:44 <+Netham45> jd19, depends if it's having a good day or not.
04:44 < millinao> hey does anyone know of a leet speak generator
04:44 < Spengo> and RELOADED released their patch for the patch
04:44 < Spengo> ;)
04:44 <+pyromania> ill have to try it again
04:44 < Nikky> er
04:45 < Nikky> son of a bitch
04:45 <+Netham45> Spengo, pirate.
04:45 <+Netham45> Nikky, ?
04:45 < Spengo> hey I never said *I* was using that
04:45 < Nikky> obnauticu zeropod jd19 pyromania: Actually, I'm a moron. It's /msg efneti86 pass yourpassword here :)
04:45 < Spengo> just affirming it's existence ;)
04:45 <+Netham45> Nikky, hahaha, nice.
04:45 < Spengo> you know what the game really needs though?
04:45 <+jd19> ohhhh
04:45 < Spengo> a sandbox mode
04:46 < Spengo> where you can just jump around on buildings without the stupid choppers chasing you
04:46 < Nikky> I had pass originally
04:46 < Nikky> but then decided to change it to yourpassword here
04:46 <+jd19> sweet...got it
04:46 < Nikky> *gone*
04:46 <+Netham45> Nikky, doesn't that pretty much spit out their passwords into the partyline for admins then?
04:47 <+jd19> i dont re-use passwords anyway
04:48 <+Netham45> Anyone care if I set up public logging?
04:48 <+Netham45> it'd be so easy, I might as well do it.
04:49 <+Netham45> no, wait, it has a habit of recording nickserv passes into logs
04:52 < snowman> Netham45: yeah! go ahead! hahahahaha
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04:55 < Nikky> No, you cannot set up public logs
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04:56 < Spengo> you know
04:56 < Spengo> I can see how the face full of wall thing would be annoying for mirror's edge on console
04:56 < Spengo> since it takes awhile to look around
04:56 < Spengo> but with mouselook I didn't really notice it
04:58 < Nikky> whoo
04:58 < Nikky> Obama likes Honest Tea
04:58 < Nikky> >3
04:58 < Nikky> <3
04:58 <+mtgrss111> that first one looks sort of wrong o_O
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05:05 <@efneTI92> [Tyler2] I no longer speak fluent dialup.
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05:12 < Dam\__> How do you bring up the part of ${USER}'s information that has name, room number, and all that?
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05:22  * tr1p1ea plays the mario theme
05:22 < tr1p1ea> stalking someone?
05:23 < Dam\__> Nope.  $(adduser) asked me to put that stuff in before it let me put in my password.
05:28 <+jd19> bed is a comfortable place...but not when trying to use a laptop
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05:29 < Dam\__> Yeah, ouch.
05:32 < snowman> jd19: agreed
05:32 < snowman> tr1p1ea: that's my ring tone!
05:33 < snowman> haha
05:33 <+jd19> and kim left a comb in bed...and i rolled over on it
05:33 <+jd19> great
05:34 < Dam\__> A combo?
05:34 < Dam\__> *Blinks.*  "Comb."  Oof.  I think maybe it is time for me to eat... :P
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05:35 <+jd19> yeah maybe
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05:38 < Barrett> is there a way to get rsync (or a similar program) to immediately recognize changes in the file system (or specified directories) and send those changes to backup server(s)/slave(s)?
05:39 <+prime> perl!
05:39  * Dam\__ mumbles something about inotify.
05:41 < Barrett> Dam\__: coooolio
05:45 <@_Auron_> "Science is one cold-hearted bitch with a 14 inch strap-on"
05:45 <@_Auron_> LOL
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05:45 <@_Auron_> quote from Masuka in Dexter
05:49 <+jd19> goodnight.
05:51 < tr1p1ea> http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9850/test4ra5.gif <-- another enemy
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06:07 <@_Auron_> omg desolate.
06:07 <@_Auron_> :O
06:08 < Dam\__> Bitchin'.
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06:21  * _Auron_ is going to watch Bleach from the beginning and then get caught up <_<
06:21 < Milyardo> thats alot of catching up to do
06:22 < Milyardo> plus its not worth catching up
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06:22 <@_Auron_> I'm doing it anyways
06:22 < Milyardo> after they rescue Rukia from execution the show just goes down hill
06:22 <@_Auron_> I need something to watch ><
06:22 <@_Auron_> I hear it gets better after the whole vampire filler
06:23 < Milyardo> dunno couldn't make it through that aweful filler
06:24 < Milyardo> I'm watching Nurse Witch Komugi again
06:24 <@_Auron_> like ichigo can control his hollow form
06:24 <@_Auron_> but only for 7 seconds or something
06:24 < Milyardo> I feel like a party van should show up at my door at any moment for watching this o.o
06:29 < snowman> I've tried the series twice, both times made it to somewhere around the rukia execution rescue part and it just gets to be too much in too little time
06:31  * Netham45 wonders off to install OSX. :(
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07:45 <@efneTI92> [snowman] http://jrush.dyndns.org/isaac/
07:46 < _Digital> hey snowman
07:46 < _Digital> I'm almost done with a few things which includes automating the update of my mirrors on a weekly basis
07:50 < Spengo> lol
07:50 < Spengo> no wonder those SWAT guys in mirror's edge can't shoot for shit
07:50 < Spengo> the rear sight on their SCAR is flipped down :P
07:51 < _Digital> well I quickly adapted my script to be dynamic
07:51 < _Digital> Spengo, you have too much time on your hands
07:51 < Spengo> hey
07:51 < Spengo> I did all my homework first thing
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08:41 <@E-J> http://www.starcraftwire.net/blog/comments/study-starcraft-for-college/
08:41 <@E-J> was someone here in berkeley?
08:41 < _Digital> think that is Nikky
08:41 < _Digital> I could be wrong
08:42 <@E-J> nikky is in u of washington
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08:56 < _Digital> meh
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10:06 < Spengo> E-J, I bet they still lose to koreans
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10:31 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
10:45 <+zeropod> x.x
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11:00 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o benryves] by efneTI86
11:11 <+zeropod> mornin benryves 
11:12 <@benryves> Heya zeropod
11:12 <+zeropod> how goes it?
11:13 <@benryves> Not bad, thanks, and yourself?
11:14 <+zeropod> frozen in till the sun rises or we get someone else up
11:14 <+zeropod> there is like an inch of ice on the house
11:20 <@benryves> Heh :D
11:24 < tr1p1ea> shouldnt you be 'subzero' then?
11:24 < tr1p1ea> :)
11:25 <@benryves> No, here's your Subzero, now plain zero!
11:25 < tr1p1ea> rofl!
11:25 < tr1p1ea> good ol arnie
11:25 <+zeropod> i had to come up for air
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11:34 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v zeropod] by SnowCrash
11:37 <@benryves> tr1p1ea: Do you get much time to work on Desolate? It's nice to see progress. :D
11:58 <+zeropod> desolate? where?
12:02 <@benryves> MaxCoderz :)
12:03 <+zeropod> no shit :P
12:17 < tr1p1ea> http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9850/test4ra5.gif
12:18 <+zeropod> hmm
12:19 <+zeropod> hmm... ipod touch dosen't do animated gif?
12:20 <+zeropod> still looks nice
12:21 < tr1p1ea> :<
12:22 <+zeropod> maybe it's just mobile colloquy's browser.. lemme see if safari does it
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12:26 < zeropod> yeahno
12:26 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v zeropod] by SnowCrash
12:26 <+zeropod> no animation
12:27 -!- zeropod is now known as Zeromus
12:28 <+Zeromus> can so
12:28 <+Zeromus> *can someone bitch slap efneTI86 
12:33 <+Zeromus> it won't let me ident, and adding a host is hard when I can't see my hostmask
12:35 <@benryves> How do you mean, can't see your hostmask?
12:36 <+Zeromus> like, when I whois someone it breaks the info apart and i forget how to reassemble it to make a sensible hostmask so I can ident
12:37 <@benryves> fiber-64.201.86.25.lhtot.com ?
12:37 <+Zeromus> ( I have to add a host because when I ident it says 'you're not Zeromus you're zeropod'
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12:39 <@efneTI92> [patrick__] The TI-85 shall reign supreme, always and forever
12:39 <+Zeromus> i did 'addhost pw hm' and 'addhost hm pw' and both came back with 'you have no password set' >.<
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12:41 <+Zeromus> FUCK YOU efneTI86 
12:42 <+Zeromus> I am Zeromus AND zeropod!!
12:42 <+Zeromus> why the fuck do I have voice anyway?!?
12:42 <@benryves> You could just pick a name and run with it.
12:42 <+Zeromus> benryves: i left my computer on at home
12:42 <+Zeromus> and thus had to use a new nick
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12:43 <@benryves> Ah, right
12:43 <+Zeromus> and for whatever reason it has me as Zeromus not bsparks
12:43 -!- Zeromus is now known as bsparks
12:43 <+bsparks> but it's worth a shot
12:43 <+bsparks> nope
12:43 -!- bsparks is now known as Zeromus
12:46 <+Zeromus> i can't add this host to my normal set, because somehow the bots in their fucktard ways created a new user and gave me voice etc
12:46 <+Zeromus> wtf
12:46 -!- Zeromus is now known as zeropod
12:47 <+zeropod> well FUCK YOU efneTI86 
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12:52 < TheStorm> !msg efneTI86 ident zerpod pass   - replacing ! with /
12:52 -!- zeropod is now known as Zeromus
12:52 < TheStorm> or try bsparks instead of zerpod
12:53 -!- Zeromus is now known as zeropod
12:53 <@benryves> Hi TheStorm
12:54 <+zeropod> i'm not zeromus I am zeropod
12:54 < TheStorm> I Benryves
12:54 <+zeropod> or, better yet
12:54 <+zeropod> "You're not zeropod, you're zeropod"
12:54 <@benryves> I'M SPARTACUS.
12:55 < TheStorm> lulz
12:55 <+zeropod> no matter what I try, I'm not zeromus, I am zeropod
12:56 <+zeropod> efneTI86 is a fucking tard
12:57 -!- zeropod is now known as Zeromus
12:58 -!- Zeromus is now known as zeropod
12:58 <+zeropod> i fucking give up
12:58 < TheStorm> so it made you a new user, that sucks
12:59 <+zeropod> idk why though
12:59 <+zeropod> I never asked it to
12:59 <+zeropod> i didn't WANT it to
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13:08 <@efneTI92> [patrick__] The TI-85 shall reign supreme, always and forever
13:08 <@benryves> Woo, "IIS Worker Process has stopped working", I knew something was up when PHP 5 worked first time.
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13:14 < Merthsoft> hi
13:14 <@benryves> Heya Merthsoft :)
13:14 < Merthsoft> How are ya?
13:15 <@benryves> Grumpy at PHP, so the usual. How about you?
13:15 < Merthsoft> i'm alright i guess
13:16  * benryves wonders where mysqli is, extension=php_mysql.dll and extension=php_mysqli.dll are both in php.ini but only mysql seems to work.
13:17 < Merthsoft> and now i'm going to class. enjoy your php
13:17 <@benryves> See you!
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13:52 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v zeropod] by SnowCrash, efneTI92
13:57 <+zeropod> fuck you botnet
14:05 <@benryves> Oh, now this really takes the biscuit. mysql_<function>(args, link) are swapped around to mysqli_<function>(link, args).
14:06 <+zeropod> odd
14:06 <@benryves> Par for the course for PHP.
14:06 <+zeropod> lol
14:13 <@benryves> The fact that there's a mysqli_ - "MySQL Improved" - in the first place is bad enough.
14:14 <@E-J> http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b279/prostheticsummer/1233085230195.jpg
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14:17 <+zeropod> good news, I'm not supposed to get snow todat
14:17 <+zeropod> *today
14:17 <+zeropod> bad news is
14:17 <+zeropod> it's snowing so bad I can't see the street
14:18 <@E-J> you are not supposed to get snow?
14:19 <@E-J> <3 snow
14:19 <+zeropod> Nope, 0% chance of snow till 8pm
14:19 <+zeropod> it's 9am
14:19 <@benryves> E-J: Yes, but Finland doesn't grind to an absolute halt when it snows.
14:19 <+zeropod> neither does pennsylvania
14:20 <@E-J> benryves: i still doesn't understand that sentence
14:20 <+zeropod> we already have like, 2ft of snow here
14:20 < i_c-Y> E-J: it means that society in finland doesnt close down (shops, schools, work, etc.) when theres snow
14:20 <@E-J> i think it's about 20cm
14:21 < i_c-Y> on the other hand, if theres 2 inches of snow in the US, school's closed, pool's closed, etc.
14:21 <@E-J> i_c-Y: "I'm not supposed to get snow" this one means that?
14:21 <@E-J> for me it looks like there is missing something
14:21 < i_c-Y> the weather forcast (on the tv/internet for example) did not predict snowfall.
14:22 <@E-J> like word or idea behind that sentence
14:22 <+zeropod> what i_c-Y said
14:22 <@E-J> i think schools are closed here when it's -30 and bus strike
14:23 <@E-J> without bus strike maybe when it's -40
14:23 <+zeropod> schools close here when it's -10F or so, more closer to -20F
14:24 <@E-J> poor country
14:24 <+zeropod> E-J: ?
14:24 <+zeropod> that is just for my town
14:25 <@E-J> zeropod: that tells everything about whole country
14:25 <+zeropod> in some towns it may need to be -50F ice over the roads and blackout to prevent school
14:25 <+zeropod> just depends on what the district feels is right on a day to day basis
14:26 <@E-J> i haven't ever seen schools closed here
14:26 <+zeropod> jobs are a different story >P I went to work in 3ft of snow capped with ice and -20F
14:27 <+zeropod> and power from just generators
14:27 <@E-J> even when teachers were furloughed
14:27 <+zeropod> furloughed?
14:28 <@E-J> "furlough" is word that my dictionary gives 
14:28 <+zeropod> wtf?
14:29 <+zeropod> furlough?
14:29 <@E-J> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furlough
14:29 <+zeropod> can't click links unless I wanna close irc
14:29 <@E-J> ...
14:30 <+zeropod> apple didn't wanna allow multitasking :)
14:30 <@E-J> employer says that worker can't go to work and he won't get paid, sort of vacation that you have to keep
14:30 <@E-J> "forced vacation"
14:31 <+zeropod> ah, called off
14:32 <@E-J> town where i lived that time had so less money that they had to put teachers to "furlough"
14:32 <+zeropod> ah
14:32 <@E-J> only few towns did that in finland in 1990es, and my town was biggest of them
14:33 <+zeropod> ( on a similar note, post master general is lobbying to have mail delivered one less day a week )
14:33 <+zeropod> ahh
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14:33 <+zeropod> ( betcha can't guess which day will be dropped )
14:34 <+jd19> tuesday
14:34 <+zeropod> damn :p
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14:36 <+zeropod> did theu rename the nyse??
14:36 <+zeropod> *they
14:38 < sir_lewk> g'day yall!
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14:41 <+zeropod> maybe I am nuts
14:41 <+zeropod> but it looked like they renamed the nyse
14:42 <@benryves> What did they rename it?
14:42 <+zeropod> nybe
14:42 <+zeropod> new banners and logos
14:42 <+zeropod> New York Block Exchange
14:43 <@benryves> That'll be confusing.
14:43 <+zeropod> whu?
14:43 <+zeropod> *why
14:43 <@benryves> Is there any real reason to change the name? :P
14:44 <+zeropod> idk if they actually did
14:44 <+zeropod> that is why I am asking
14:45 <@benryves> NYSE.com still calls it the NYSE
14:45 <+zeropod> is there an nybe.com?
14:46 <@benryves> No.
14:46 < ports-> oh
14:46 < ports-> finally
14:46 < ports-> what
14:46 < ports-> it is not the block exchange
14:47 < ports-> http://www.investmentexecutive.com/client/en/News/DetailNews.asp?IdSection=148&cat=148&id=47897
14:47 <+zeropod> ugh
14:47 <+zeropod> i can't click links :(
14:48 < sir_lewk> failasaourus
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14:49 <+zeropod> sir_lewk: failasaourus indeed
14:51 <@benryves> Maybe they'll release an OS update that adds the feature? :\
14:51 <+zeropod> benryves: doubtful
14:52 <+zeropod> in reailty the iPhone OS can multitask the same way s40 can ;)
14:52 <@benryves> Shunting apps into the background?
14:52 <+zeropod> nope :p
14:53 <@benryves> How, then?
14:53 <+zeropod> running an app and music at the same time ;)
14:53 <@benryves> Except that you can also run apps in the background on S40
14:53 <+zeropod> you can?
14:53 <+zeropod> how?
14:53 <@benryves> I think the app has to be written to handle it, though.
14:53 <+zeropod> my 6133 never could
14:54 <+zeropod> the best I could think is app + music and then recieving a call
14:54 <@benryves> Hm, Live Messenger manages it some how.
14:56 <+zeropod> that isn't real backgrounding
14:56 <+zeropod> at least not my messanger
14:56 <+zeropod> it goes offline and everything, but the cell tower tells my phone when I get a new im
14:56 <@benryves> It keeps you connected and if you receive a message it pops up again.
14:56 < sir_lewk> I'm pretty sure the iphone is based on Darwin
14:57 <+zeropod> and I have to start up IM again and it opens a savestate
14:57 <@Andy_J> I expect it shares a decent amount of codebase with OS X
14:57 < sir_lewk> in other words, it's a full fledged Unix system, perfectly cabable of multitasking since the late 60s
14:57 < sir_lewk> the GUI just holds you back
14:57 <@benryves> zeropod: That said, my Sony Ericsson (for all its crapness) let you minimise any app if you forced it to quit by holding the hang-up button.
14:57 <@Andy_J> There's a reason why they don't let it do multitasking though
14:57 <@Andy_J> it doesn't really have enough RAM for it
14:58 < sir_lewk> that may be
14:58 < sir_lewk> how much does it have?
14:58 <+zeropod> Andy_J: there isn't enough ram to run 1 app sometimes
14:58 < sir_lewk> :/
14:58 <@benryves> Andy_J: How do S60/Windows Mobile cope? Better hardware?
14:58 <@benryves> Er, by S60 I mean Symbian
14:58 <@Andy_J> benryves: by degrading performance :p
14:58 <+zeropod> yeah
14:58 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: seems to be 128
14:59 <@Andy_J> which is a decent amount I guess
14:59 < sir_lewk> I used to have (2 years ago), a desktop system that only had 256MB of ram, worked fine
14:59 < sir_lewk> granted, I swapped a lot
14:59 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Which OS?
14:59 <+zeropod> sir_lewk: iphone os has no swapping
14:59 < sir_lewk> kubuntu, 6.06 iirc
14:59 <@Andy_J> yeah, swapping with flash is a bad idea
14:59 < sir_lewk> I had win98 on it too, that also worked fine (aside from bsoding every day...)
15:00 <@benryves> Andy_J: Popular, though.
15:00 < sir_lewk> yeah, I don't get that
15:00 <+zeropod> every mobile colloquy crash I have had has been due to running out of ram
15:00 < sir_lewk> vista even has some "swaping with flashdrives" "feature"
15:00 <+zeropod> sir_lewk: it still is a bad idea
15:00 <@Andy_J> zeropod: then colloquy sucks
15:00 < sir_lewk> zeropod: does it keep too much scrollback or something
15:01 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: I don't think it uses it as swap so much as it just puts stuff there that it needs to load often
15:01 < sir_lewk> oh, I fully agree it's a bad idea
15:01 < sir_lewk> ah, so files or crap?
15:01 <@Andy_J> I'm not entirely sure how it works
15:01 < sir_lewk> it's strange regardless
15:01 <+zeropod> sir_lewk: yeah, and the built in browser leaks mem, and the code to handle querys
15:01 <@Andy_J> but my understanding is that it doesn't write to it very often
15:01 <@Andy_J> 10:00:49 <@Andy_J> zeropod: then colloquy sucks
15:02 <+zeropod> Andy_J: no shit?
15:02 < sir_lewk> Andy_J++;
15:02 <+zeropod> find me a better option or stfu
15:03 < sir_lewk> buy a new phone ^_^
15:03 <@benryves> Vista's ReadyBoost (using flash drives to supposedly improve performance) supports SuperFetch (which caches commonly/recently used files).
15:03 <+zeropod> ( you can't expext a beta to be perfect anyway )
15:03 <+zeropod> sir_lewk: iPOD
15:03 <+zeropod> not iPHONE
15:03 <+zeropod> dick
15:03 < sir_lewk> whatevs
15:03 < sir_lewk> good phones play mp3s too
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15:04 < sir_lewk> and if you are just using it on wifi, why not get an eeepc or another proper computer?
15:04 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v zeropod] by efneTI92
15:04 <+zeropod> sir_lewk: this was cheaper
15:04 <+zeropod> FUCK YOU botnet
15:04 <+zeropod> also, eeepc doesn't fit in my pocket
15:05 <+zeropod> and my eeepc had shit for batt life
15:05 < sir_lewk> eh
15:05 < sir_lewk> my roommate just got an eeepc, tweaked gentoo on it and he's getting 4+ hrs
15:05 < sir_lewk> up to 6 if it's idle
15:06 < sir_lewk> granted, he's riceing the shit out of it
15:06 <+zeropod> my iPod was on for 7h on irc idle, but screen on bright and music playing
15:06 <+zeropod> went from 100 to about 30 % batt
15:07 <+zeropod> and yet again, eeepc can't fit in my pocket, I know, I own one
15:07 < sir_lewk> meh
15:07 < sir_lewk> I were cargo pants
15:07 <+zeropod> chiclet keyboard is shit
15:07 <+zeropod> so do I
15:08 < sir_lewk> I can barely fit one into one of my pairs of pants
15:08 <+zeropod> but iPod fits in top pockets
15:08 < sir_lewk> barely == streched out pocket
15:08 < sir_lewk> yeah
15:08 <+zeropod> at least ipod has keyboard I can use with my thumbs
15:09 <+zeropod> when I get my sidekick from my sister I'll see if I can IRC on thay
15:09 <+zeropod> *that
15:09 < sir_lewk> I just lug my thinkpad around everywhere >_>
15:09 <+zeropod> yeah, fuck that
15:10 < sir_lewk> builds back muscles :P
15:10 <+zeropod> mine don't need to be stronger
15:10 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Which is why I carry around a desktop (complete with 21" CRT) everywhere I go.
15:10 < ports-> lol
15:10 < ports-> you know what fits in my pants?
15:11 <+zeropod> and I am seriously considering an iPhone just to be able to connect anywhere
15:11 < ports-> zeropod:  dont do it
15:11 <+zeropod> ports-: your massive e-penis?
15:11 <+zeropod> ports-: why?
15:11 < ports-> zeropod:  get a blackberry
15:11 <+zeropod> no
15:12 <@E-J> get a nokia
15:12 < ports-> E-J: true dat
15:12 <+zeropod> E-J: expensive
15:12 < ports-> the Nokia E71 is on sale for $300 at newegg right now
15:12 <+zeropod> ports-: win mo can burn in gell
15:12 < ports-> zeropod:  no hold on listen. 
15:12 <+zeropod> *hell
15:12 <@E-J> zeropod: and iphone isn't?-)
15:12 < ports-> who said anything about winmo?
15:12 < sir_lewk> lol benryves
15:12 < ports-> listen dude
15:12 <+zeropod> and, I can get iPhone for under $300
15:12 <+zeropod> ports-: TALK
15:12 < ports-> the BB and Iphone have a $30 mandatory data plan for smart phones
15:13 < ports-> if you buy a smartphone thats not from AT&T... ie an unlocked phone like the Nokia E71.. its got the same features.. 
15:13 <@E-J> http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone
15:13 <@benryves> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7857469.stm <- hah. :D
15:13 < ports-> but they dont charge you the smart phone data plan.. you just pay the $15 for regular phones
15:13 <@E-J> you can get iphone under 300 dolalrs but using it costs you thousands
15:13 <+zeropod> ( bear in mind my contract with tmobile is $70 a month data text and talk, even if I use iPhone )
15:13 < ports-> but you still get access to the real internet and all the same things. you just save $15/month
15:13 < ports-> zeropod:  do you know what my phone bill is? obviously i know you dont
15:14 < ports-> $165/month
15:14 <@E-J> mine is about 10 euros / month
15:15 <+zeropod> ports-: mine is $70 for unlimited text, unlimited data, and 300min non-night/weekend talk time
15:15 <+zeropod> unlimited night and weekend talk
15:15 < ports-> yeah.. i might use 300 minutes in 1 day
15:15 < sir_lewk> ...wow
15:15 <+zeropod> oh, and fav 5, free to any 5 I pick
15:15 < ports-> ive been wondering about that
15:15 < sir_lewk> I hope that is hyperbole
15:15 <+zeropod> which saves me hundreds
15:15 < ports-> how often can you change your myfaves?
15:15 <+zeropod> once a month
15:16 < ports-> sir_lewk:  not at all.. we have a family plan for 3 phones.. and 1500 minutes
15:16 <@E-J> ports-: do you use that much?
15:16 < sir_lewk> so not right before you call someone each time? ;)
15:16 < ports-> sir_lewk:  exactly
15:16 < sir_lewk> ports-: you spend 5 hours on the phone every day?
15:16 <+zeropod> sir_lewk: no, that would be a tard move on their part
15:16 < ports-> sir_lewk:  because ive been wondering.. why doesnt someone just write a program to change the myfave each time you call someone
15:16 < ports-> not everday.. but certain days, yes.
15:16 < sir_lewk> yeah :D
15:16 < sir_lewk> ah
15:17 < sir_lewk> I'd go mad
15:17 < ports-> today ive already spent an hour on the phone this morning with sales vendors
15:17 < sir_lewk> I can't do more than 5 minutes on the phone a day
15:17 < ports-> sir_lewk:  im a traveling engineer.. my job depends on phone and internet 
15:17 < sir_lewk> aah
15:17 <+zeropod> i do maybe 5 non-free minutes a month
15:17 <@E-J> i have phone only because people call me, not that i need to call people
15:18 < sir_lewk> I am a student/freelance programmer
15:18 <@E-J> so most of my costs are mobile broadband and then some sms
15:18 <@benryves> E-J: It's free to receive calls, I assume.
15:18 < ports-> you guys know whats not a good way to sleep?
15:18 <+zeropod> right now if I can get iPhone cheaper than a Nokia ( a nokia that I'd like ) then it's not a bad idea
15:18 <@E-J> benryves: of course, unless you are abroad
15:19 < ports-> iphone lame
15:20 < ports-> E-J: if i had free incoming calling.. i would save a lot of minutes
15:20 < ports-> i keep track of my long term calling.. and about 40% of it is incoming
15:20 <+zeropod> ports-: iphone is easier to hack ;)
15:20 < ports-> no it isnt
15:20 <@E-J> zeropod: you don't have to hack nokia
15:20 < ports-> Symbian is an open os.
15:20 <+zeropod> well, to hack a nokia I'd need a windows nox
15:21 <+zeropod> *box
15:21 < ports-> theres no hacking on a Nokia
15:21 < ports-> E-J you can download the SISX directly to the nokia and install apps right?
15:21 <@E-J> yep
15:21 <+zeropod> which is slow over edge
15:21 < ports-> im not sure i ever did that.. i know that i could do that with java apps
15:22 <+zeropod> very slow
15:22 <@E-J> zeropod: there is wlan available also
15:22 < ports-> zeropod:  oh boohoo.. it took 10 seconds to download a 200kb program
15:22 <@E-J> and it's not slow with hsdpa
15:22 < ports-> E-JL: tmobile is all edge
15:22 <+zeropod> E-J: no 3g in my area
15:22 <+zeropod> ports-: nope
15:22 < ports-> no wait
15:22 <@E-J> zeropod: sucks to be you :)
15:22 < ports-> they have some 3g markets..
15:22 <+zeropod> they have 3g in a lot of places
15:22 < ports-> not a lot.
15:23 < ports-> they have 3g in larger cities..
15:23 <+zeropod> nobody had 3g in my area last I checked
15:23 < ports-> http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx
15:23 < ports-> oakland
15:24 < ports-> not even 100 cities.. theyve got the list on the side
15:24 <+zeropod> i have never had issues with the iPhone OS hanging up, my n75 hung all the time
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15:24 <+zeropod> like, aaaallll the time
15:24 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v kirsk] by efneTI89
15:24 < ports-> you were running the at&t firmware
15:24 < ports-> that was a shitty build
15:25 <+zeropod> ports-: nope
15:25 <+zeropod> i had stock fw on there for the last week
15:25 < ports-> what version
15:25 <+zeropod> right before it shit itself
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15:25 <+zeropod> idk, latest build from the steps I followed
15:26 <+zeropod> I didn't pay attention to it
15:26 <+zeropod> it got worst with stock fw anyway, closing apps erraticly and dropping calls
15:26 <+zeropod> losing texts
15:26 < ports-> haha
15:26 < ports-> http://leasticoulddo.com/
15:27 <+zeropod> ?
15:30 <+zeropod> ( big pts for iPhone lie in the fact that I can plug it into my comp and it works, nokias do not )
15:31 <@benryves> zeropod: What do you mean by "works"?
15:31 <+zeropod> ( the big benefit I see the S60 os having is SkyFire )
15:32 <+zeropod> benryves: i plug an iPhone in and can ( after a tic of hacking, quick bit $ browse files etc
15:32 <@E-J> maybe he has invented how to copy and paste or send mms in iphone
15:32 <+zeropod> nokia has no USB drivers for os x
15:32 <@benryves> zeropod: Oh. When I plug my phone into a USB port I get three options; USB Mass Storage, MTP or PC Suite mode.
15:33 <@E-J> i have usb mass storage or pc suite mode
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15:33 <+zeropod> E-J: i never do mms, and the lack of copy and paste is an unfortunate loss, but it only worked on text you wrote on S60, so I can live :)
15:34 <+zeropod> benryves: at least apple supported os x and windows, nokia couldn't even do that
15:35 <@E-J> zeropod: http://europe.nokia.com/A4423135
15:35 <@E-J> nokia has software for mac
15:35 <+zeropod> only over bluetooth
15:35 <+zeropod> ever try to transfer 3gb of data over bluetooth?
15:35 <@E-J> over usb as well
15:36 <+zeropod> i tried with 8 different phones, 2 S60 phones, NONE worked
15:36 <+zeropod> not a single one
15:36 <@E-J> does mac has memory card reader?
15:36 <+zeropod> unless I am not supposed to use the offical nokia usb cable
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15:37 <+zeropod> E-J: if I had an 8gb n95...
15:37 <+zeropod> i would want files ON the phone, not card, but yes, I have a card reader
15:38 <@benryves> zeropod: Dunno. My experience is limited to S40, and my phone is just a regular USB mass storage device as far as Windows is concerned.
15:38 <+jd19> my phone sucks
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15:38 <+zeropod> benryves: because nokia phones like windows
15:38 <@benryves> zeropod: What, Mac OS X doesn't support USB mass storage devices?
15:39 < sir_lewk> ...wat?
15:39 < sir_lewk> surely it must
15:39 <@Andy_J> of course it does
15:39 <+zeropod> benryves: what kind of retarded question is that? really?
15:39 <@Andy_J> ^
15:39 <@Andy_J> but I see why he said it
15:40 <@benryves> The sort of retarded question that follows a retarded statement like "because nokia phones like windows"
15:40 <+zeropod> benryves: i get nokia phones recognized on windows every time, not once on os x
15:40 <@benryves> zeropod: It's just a regular mass storage device (or, at least mine is). Nothing Windows-specific there.
15:42 <+zeropod> my 6133 was supposed to be, windows thinks it is, os x does not. every actual flash drive I have used works on both, just the nokia phones give me issues
15:42 <@benryves> zeropod: Heh, mine even works with my VMusic 2, but maybe this is something that they've improved on their newer handsets.
15:42 <+zeropod> maybe
15:43 <@benryves> And I wouldn't complain about them not supporting Mac OS X; *not* having Nokia PC Suite installed is a blessing. :P
15:43 <@E-J> pc suite isn't that bad always
15:44 <@E-J> it's not like itunes on windows or ti-connect
15:44 <+zeropod> but it meant I had to use bluetooth, which is sssllloowww
15:44 <@benryves> E-J: Have you actually managed to get PC Suite to work, then?
15:45 <@benryves> I'll be fair, at least PC Suite doesn't trigger BSODs via ticalc.sys
15:45 <@E-J> benryves: yes, i haven't had any problems since last windows reinstalling (which was at summer)
15:46 <@benryves> E-J: Heh, I've never managed to get it to see the phone over USB and it only works over Bluetooth about half of the time.
15:46 <+zeropod> that, and with an iPhone, like sir_lewk said, it's Darwin, aka, Unix :) there are already ports for just Darwin for it ( irssi bsd x11-kinda )
15:47 <@E-J> benryves: i have had problems with bt, but now that i have phone that have miniusb port in it, i have never used bt
15:48 <+zeropod> Maybe I need to get ahold of a nokia with a mini usb port?
15:48 <@E-J> maybe
15:48 <@benryves> Oh, what did yours have on it zeropod?
15:49 <+zeropod> benryves: pop port
15:49 <@E-J> i think all new models have miniusb
15:49 <@benryves> zeropod: That may explain your difficulties, then. :( Proprietary connector, proprietary protocol or something.
15:49 <+zeropod> probably
15:50 <+zeropod> but for the time being, doesn't help that for a while I will have a tmobile sidekick slide ( aka danger hiptop slide )
15:50 <@E-J> mini or micro usb
15:50 <@E-J> apparently
15:51 <@E-J> n96 has microusb, n95 miniusb
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15:52 <@E-J> like it reads here http://www.nokia.fi/tuotteet/kaikki-puhelimet/nokia-n95-8gb/tarkka-tuoteseloste
15:55 <@benryves> Have the S40 and S60 UIs always been the same?
15:55 <+zeropod> benryves: there are minor changes
15:56 <@E-J> i think i haven't ever used s40 phone
15:56 <@benryves> zeropod: Indeed, but they are very similar these days
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15:56 <+zeropod> benryves: true
15:56 <@E-J> went straight to that nokia's old ui to s60
15:56 <+zeropod> benryves: it's like WinCE is s40 and WinMo is S60? lol
15:57 <@benryves> zeropod: Heh, probably.
15:58 <@benryves> The clock is on the top-right, at least, on my phone, there's one Earth-shattering difference. ;)
15:58 <+zeropod> ok, well time to go to work
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16:04 < ports-> hehe
16:04 < ports-> i get bored sometimes
16:04 < ports-> http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?p=12223471#post12223471
16:04 < ports-> those BB guys might assassinate me for titling my thread that
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16:11 < bense> any of you guys have a v200?
16:11 <@E-J> i had
16:12 < bense> why'd you get rid of it?
16:12 <@E-J> it broke
16:12 < bense> oh
16:12 <@E-J> winter storm and calculator didn't get well along
16:12 < bense> i use a ti-89 like all day long and i'm getting tired of spending too long looking for the alpha keys
16:13 < bense> i've never seen one physically
16:14 <@E-J> i liked it
16:14 <@E-J> it's little smaller than ti-92
16:14 < bense> is it large/cumbersome?
16:14 < bense> or does it just feel natural w/ both hands using it
16:17 <@E-J> natural enough, sometimes big enough if you use it like normal keyboard
16:18 <@benryves> Which calculator(s) do you own now, E-J?
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16:19 <@E-J> benryves: ti-86, fx-82sx, fx-7300g, fx-82super
16:20 <@benryves> Yay, I have the FX-82 Super Fraction somewhere. :P
16:21 <@E-J> actually that fx-82sx is my brother's, super is mine
16:24 < ports-> go big o
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16:24 <@E-J> benryves: and of course e90, windows desktop pc and linux laptop
16:25 <@benryves> E-J: Hehe, I was more thinking of TI graphing calcs. Only one I have is the regular 83+, never seen any of the others.
16:25 <@benryves> Oh, whoops, I saw one of the regular 83s in the odd casing (lighter grey with a very green LCD).
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16:27 <@benryves> There we go - http://www.datamath.org/Graphing/TI-83_1.htm :)
16:36 <@_Auron_> lol Lost is so time-ploxy now
16:37 <@benryves> Time-ploxy? :\
16:38 <@_Auron_> yes
16:38 <@_Auron_> they're going backwards in time on the island
16:39 <@_Auron_> and there's weird plot connections that you subtlely learn
16:39 <@Andy_J> so people watching Lost are now lost as to what's going on?
16:39 <@_Auron_> yes
16:39 <@Andy_J> cool
16:39 <@_Auron_> I think that's the point actually :P
16:41 < i_c-Y> do you guys know if you can drop off packages at an ups store?
16:41 <@Andy_J> I would imagine you can
16:42 < i_c-Y> time to find one
16:45 < bense> alll the casio calculators look the same to me
16:45 < bense> fx-115es
16:46 < bense> fx-991ms
16:46 < bense> fx-991es
16:46 < bense> http://www.dynatech.de/data/bilder/CS_FX_991_ES_GG.jpg
16:47 < bense> http://edu.casio.com/products/ntd/fx115es/images/closeup_fx115es.jpg
16:54 <+jd19> mmm doritos
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16:58 <+jd19> hello kirsk 
16:58 <+jd19> any luck with the ladies yet
17:06 < sir_lewk> babes are jumping all over kirsk all the time man
17:07 < Nikky>  What's up pimps.
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17:07 < sir_lewk> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.development/browse_thread/thread/029583e0f0f07b60#
17:07 < sir_lewk> that is what is up
17:08 < sir_lewk> I'm going to participate this year.  you guys should too
17:09 < Nikky> I'll use perl.
17:09 < sir_lewk> cool
17:09  * Nikky eats sir_lewk 
17:09 < sir_lewk> D:
17:10 < sir_lewk> I've never done curses stuff in Perl, I bet it's fun
17:10 < Nikky> BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
17:10 < Nikky> curses is for wusses
17:10 < sir_lewk> lawdy
17:10 < sir_lewk> you use straight control characters :O
17:11 <+kirsk> lo jd19
17:26 < Nikky> sir_lewk: even better
17:27 <@E-J> sir_lewk:  i think you have cursed the perl
17:27 <+kirsk> no chances to have had luck with the ladies no
17:28 < sir_lewk> lol
17:28 <+kirsk> and mah bro isnt answering his phone all week ~_~
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17:31 < Milyardo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qS1kqhhebw&fmt=18
17:31 < Milyardo> :D\-<
17:31 < Milyardo> :D/-<
17:31 < Milyardo> 123 123 ichi ni san!
17:31 < Ox40Work> :P
17:32  * sir_lewk internet-face-stabs Milyardo
17:32 <+kirsk> lo Ox40
17:32 <+kirsk> lo Ox40Work
17:32 < Milyardo> o.o
17:32 <+kirsk> even
17:33 < Ox40Work> hey
17:33 <+kirsk> i saw busschick today :o
17:33 <+jd19> who's that
17:33 < Ox40Work> lol busschick!
17:33 <+kirsk> soooo cute
17:33 < Ox40Work> :D
17:34 <+jd19> i'm confused
17:34 < Milyardo> busschick == hot alt goth chick?
17:34 <+kirsk> no
17:34 < Ox40Work> just a cute busschick
17:34 < Ox40Work> :)
17:34 < Ox40Work> I saw her in germany, i swear.
17:34 <+kirsk> busschick is cute redhead semi-alt from highschool chick
17:34 < Milyardo> pics or it didn't happen
17:35 < Ox40Work> I swear I saw her. She must have been on vacation in Germany or something.
17:35 < sir_lewk> dopperganger
17:35 <+kirsk> i was walking back to the busstop after a haircut and saw her walking away from her work shop place with her mom or something
17:36 <+jd19> hmm
17:36 < sir_lewk> she was the evil buttsecks^Wbusschick girl
17:36 <+kirsk> yes
17:36 <+kirsk> sooooo cute
17:36 <+jd19> need pics for sure
17:36 < Milyardo> YOu need to date her, and her mom at the same time obviously
17:37 < Ox40Work> :D
17:37 <+kirsk> well i was gonna say hi and ask if she's going to the band at the old hangout all us alt peoples hung out at in highschool tomorrow
17:37 <+kirsk> (hippie friends who know her quite well are going and invited me to come to)
17:38 < sir_lewk> mmmm
17:38 <+kirsk> but a bus came by and afterwards she was gone
17:39 <+kirsk> tried to see if she went into any of the other shops but no luck
17:39 <+jd19> you're a stalker dude
17:39 <+jd19> lol
17:39 < Milyardo> what about the mom
17:39 <+kirsk> oih right you wanted pics
17:39 <+kirsk> what about her?
17:40 < Milyardo> You should have picked her up
17:40 <+kirsk> i know
17:40 <+jd19> fo sho
17:40 <+jd19> i'm practically married so i don't get to have this kind of fun anymore
17:40 < sir_lewk> I'd say more of a creeper than stalker
17:40 <+kirsk> i shouldve ran at them screaming her name to get attention and stopping the bus to cross the street
17:40 < Milyardo> same :(
17:41 < sir_lewk> I'm not exactly a pro at social situations though so ignore me >.<
17:41 <+kirsk> my hippiefriends were gonna check if she was single for me but i never heard them talk about her after they promised that
17:42 <+jd19> that must mean she's lesbian
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17:42 <+kirsk> its really strange ive never actually met her considering they know her so well and she hung out at the hangout a lot with them
17:43 <+kirsk> http://94.100.113.61/85500001-85550000/85543301-85543400/85543307_6_5M_W.jpeg
17:43 <+kirsk> http://94.100.113.191/85500001-85550000/85527601-85527700/85527641_6_sNwW.jpeg
17:43 <+kirsk> top right
17:43 < Milyardo> Jailbait
17:43 < Milyardo> :o
17:44 <+kirsk> ? I think she's my age or my age +1
17:44 <+kirsk> we were in the same year in highschool
17:44 < Milyardo> and how old are you kirsk?
17:44 <+kirsk> 21
17:44 < Milyardo> o.o
17:44 < Milyardo> hrmmm
17:45 <+kirsk> ?
17:45 < Milyardo> Does everyone lok like they
17:45 <+kirsk> wat
17:45 < bense> kirsk, she's really pretty
17:45 < Milyardo> *they're 5 years younger than they are where you are from
17:46 <+kirsk> idk
17:46 < Milyardo> I'm 19 and she looks pretty young to me
17:46 <+kirsk> hmm
17:46 < bense> dude
17:46 < bense> http://94.100.113.191/85500001-85550000/85527601-85527700/85527641_6_sNwW.jpeg
17:46 < bense> they're obviously in a bar
17:46 < bense> so her age >= 21
17:46 <+kirsk> no
17:47 <+kirsk> the pic is a year old
17:47 < bense> i'm sure that she'd be impressed that you're slinging her picture on an irc calculator chatroom and that your chatroom peers are using mathematical operators to describe her
17:47 <+jd19> i had to type that link into my damn phone browser
17:47 <+jd19> what a pain in the ass
17:47 <+kirsk> and the drinking age limit her isnt 21
17:47 <@benryves> bense: Heh, 21 to be in bars? Only in the USA...
17:47 <+kirsk> bense: i certainly hope so, she should be flattered. i dont stalk just anyone you know
17:47 <+jd19> yep, only in the good ol US of A
17:48 < Milyardo> plus you only have to be 21 to drink
17:48 <+jd19> that blonde on the bottom right is making an interesting face...
17:48 < Milyardo> you can be 18 and still be in the bar
17:48 < bense> oh well
17:48 <+kirsk> i was in highschool with all of the girls in that pic interestingly enough
17:48 <+jd19> Milyardo: that depends...in the US anyway
17:48 < ports-> stfu
17:49 < ports-> certain bars will let 18+ in.. but 21+ to drink... but they charge the younger kids a higher cover
17:49 <+kirsk> maybe i should ask my hippiefriends if they can invite her to come along tomorrow
17:49 < bense> 18, 21, 21, 23?  what's the difference
17:49 <+jd19> and in some cities there are laws that say if it's past 9pm and you're not over 18, get out
17:49 <+kirsk> here you can drink at 18+
17:50 < Milyardo> Where do you live kirsk?
17:50 <+jd19> i think if youre at a bar with your parents in wisconsin, you can drink no matter how old you are
17:51 <+kirsk> Netherlands, Milyardo
17:51 <+kirsk> urop
17:51 < Milyardo> ahhh
17:51 <@E-J> kirsk: hmm, not like in germany where drinking age is 16?
17:51 < bense> in america, if you're in the military, you can fight in a war with an assault rifle, but you're not allowed to consume alcohol
17:52 < Milyardo> hrmmmm
17:52 <@benryves> I don't think any country would allow you fight drunk.
17:52 < Milyardo> Assualt Rilfes and alcohol don't seem to like they'd mix well IMHO
17:52 <@E-J> benryves: except soviet union
17:52 <+kirsk> E-J: its legal to drink things <7.5% alcohol at 16+ but buying alcohol at a bar = 18+
17:53 <@E-J> kirsk: ok
17:53 <+kirsk> and things >7.5% alcohol also require 18+
17:53 <+kirsk> i think you can buy beer and breezers in supermarket when 16+ though, im not sure
17:53 <@E-J> in winter war ussr conscripts took vodka snaps so they could attack against finnish fire without a fear
17:53 <@E-J> kirsk: well i was on oktoberfest and there it was 16 years
17:54 <@E-J> maybe because of those poor tactics soviets lost so many men against finland
17:54 <@E-J> and of course our superior
17:55 <+kirsk> ity
17:55 < ports-> vodka snaps?
17:55 <@_Auron_> omfg
17:55 <@_Auron_> this part of dexter is so fucked up
17:55 <@_Auron_> :(
17:55 < ports-> what is it auron
17:55 <@_Auron_> ports-: have you watched dexter before
17:55 <@E-J> don't spoil, they have shown only first 2 seasons here
17:55 < ports-> ive seen every episode and read the books
17:56 < Milyardo> Whats dexter?
17:56 <@_Auron_> the lady at the police station that got terminal lung cancer
17:56 <@_Auron_> Milyardo: think CSI, but with the eyes behind a vigilante killer, with a really good story
17:56 < ports-> _Auron_:  oh
17:56 <@_Auron_> I guess. <_<
17:56 < ports-> E-J: you need to download season 3
17:57 <@_Auron_> yeah I'm watching season 3 right now
17:57 <@E-J> ports-: nope, i'll wait until it comes from tv
17:57 < ports-> auron you suck
17:57 <@_Auron_> at ep 7 of 12
17:57 <@_Auron_> what
17:57 <@E-J> good subtitles
17:57 <@_Auron_> why do I suck
17:57 < ports-> Milyardo:  its about a guy thats a serial killer.. but his dad was a cop.. so he trains him to only kill other killers.   and he works for the police department now.
17:57 < ports-> Milyardo:  so the series is something big happens, he goes around trying not to get caught while still killing people
17:57 <@_Auron_> oh that
17:57 < ports-> you suck at explaining
17:57 <@_Auron_> bah.
17:57 <@_Auron_> I didn't feel like explaining it in detail
17:58 < ports-> then dont get involved!
17:58 <@_Auron_> hey
17:58 < ports-> you compared a great show to CSI..
17:58 < ports-> how dare you!
17:58 <@_Auron_> lmfao
17:58 <@E-J> csi is great show
17:58 <@_Auron_> I was going to add "but way better than CSI"
17:58 <@_Auron_> eh CSI is bland
17:58 < ports-> E-J: your mom was a great show... CSI is decent, CSI Miami blows
17:58 <@_Auron_> dexter has depth
17:59 <@_Auron_> key lime pie :|
17:59 < ports-> i mean if i wanted to jack off to tv.. i would watch csi miami
17:59 < ports-> lots of hot semi nude girls
17:59 <@E-J> csi miami is sometimes too much of that one guy's sunglasses
17:59 < ports-> Horatio C
17:59 <@E-J> csi new york is maybe best of those 3
17:59 < ports-> CSI NY is good.
17:59 < ports-> do you watch Criminal Minds?
18:00 <@E-J> yes, one episode is coming today
18:00 <@E-J> i also watch ncis
18:00 < ports-> i like Criminal Minds more
18:00 < ports-> NCIS is good. i just started watching
18:00 < ports-> you get a lot of american tv there
18:01 <@benryves> We get a fair amount of US TV, but (fittingly?) it's on the commercial channels.
18:01 <@E-J> i have several episodes on hold of criminal minds because they showed house and crminal minds same time
18:01 <@E-J> we get best us series and maybe best british series
18:02 <@E-J> like midsommer murders, fast show, little britain, top gear, ...
18:02 <@E-J> though i haven't eever watched little britain
18:02 <@benryves> E-J: You didn't just put "Little Britain" in a list of good UK series, did you?
18:02 <@E-J> benryves: i made correction :P
18:03 < ports-> heh
18:03 <@benryves> Good. Make sure you watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0184135/ instead, which it is heavily derivative of. ;)
18:03 < ports-> E-J: have you watched The Unit?
18:03 < ports-> its about some american special ops soldiers.. bleh i know.. but it has good character development and is a strong show
18:03 <@E-J> ports-: i watched it for a while, it went too much desprate house wifes
18:04 < ports-> E-J: season 4 is more action
18:04 < ports-> wait a minute
18:04 <@E-J> ports-: do you watch bones
18:04 < ports-> you havent seen the Unit closing thing
18:04 < ports-> i think its the end of season 3, start of 4.
18:04 <+kirsk> The Unit is awesome
18:04 < ports-> the bad guys try to close the unit.. and they go around the world shooting people up.. its great 3-4 episodes
18:04 < ports-> i watch Bones occasionally
18:05 < sir_lewk> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/29/1651253 lolfightclub
18:05 < ports-> i used to work jobs that had me busy in the evenings
18:05 <+kirsk> lately theyve made the hoemwifes drama part of it relate to undercover work
18:05 < ports-> kirsk:  yeah.. i think thats going to stop for the rest of the season
18:05 <+kirsk> yeah i think that has passed now
18:05 < ports-> kirsk:  im hoping they finish out the season strong with a lot of bad guy shooting
18:05 < ports-> kirsk:  spear of destiny was a cool episode
18:06 <+kirsk> yeah it was pretty fun
18:06 < ports-> "I'm sorry you had to see that."
18:06 < ports-> "A normal man would say "I'm sorry I did that.""
18:06 <+kirsk> jupjup
18:06 < ports-> i like Bob's character
18:07 < ports-> i want them to finish that arc with Grey and the Monroe girl
18:07 <+kirsk> yeah i thought that cut off way too fast
18:07 < ports-> it was kinda weird how quickly it wentby
18:08 <+kirsk> i was just thinking yay something fun happening to the guy
18:08 < ports-> im hoping its because theyre saving it for a whole episode
18:08 <@E-J> now i record weekly: life, ncis, csi, mythbusters, criminal minds, bones, monk, van veeteren
18:08 <+kirsk> could be
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18:08 <+kirsk> when are they continueing the season anyway?
18:08 <@E-J> last one is swedish police type series
18:08 < ports-> kirsk:  i know lol.. with hector gone, grey is the shows black guy
18:08 < ports-> kirsk:  i dont know.. tv guide doesnt list the next new episode
18:08 <+kirsk> yeah exactly
18:08 < ports-> i was glad to see hector back a bit too
18:09 <+kirsk> yeah was cool
18:09 < ports-> he really shouldnt have been killed
18:09 <+kirsk> yeah he was a really nice character to have in the team
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18:09 < ports-> ok im done
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18:09 < ports-> im going to get lunch
18:09 < ports-> brb
18:09 <+kirsk> bb
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18:14 < Ox40Work> kriskkkk
18:14 < Ox40Work> hey, how does this sound as a Controller Model
18:14 <+kirsk> oxxxxxxxxx
18:14 < Ox40Work> actions are like "IndexAction()" functions that output a view or w/e
18:15 < Ox40Work> And, when a form is POSTed, it calls the [SubmitButtonsName]Process($fields) function
18:16 <+kirsk> yeah thats alright
18:17 < Ox40Work> :)
18:17 < Ox40Work> But...
18:18 < Ox40Work> I have an __autoload() function that autoloads controllers and stuff...
18:18 < Ox40Work> if its "IndexController" it loads it from /controllers/IndexController.php
18:18 < Ox40Work> But, I have my models/ directory, and I don't want to have to say $user = new UserModel...
18:19 < Ox40Work> any idea on how to get it to load the class 'User' from /models/ but all the framework stuff from /framework/ ??
18:19 <@benryves> file_exists?
18:20 <+kirsk> does the controller load that?
18:20 <@benryves> Unless you have the same file name in both directories.
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18:33 <@_Auron_> that was so sad ;(
18:33 <+kirsk> ?
18:33 <@_Auron_> this episode of dexter
18:33 <@_Auron_> it was really sad
18:34 < sir_lewk> hmmkay
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18:36 < Ox40Work> bense: yeah, fily_exists might be my only hope
18:37 <+kirsk> dont you use that anyway?
18:37 < Ox40Work> kinda
18:37 < Ox40Work> but, I ... want to do this the best way possible
18:39 <+kirsk> how can you have a good way of loading file data without checking if the file eixsts
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18:41 < Ox40Work> kirsk: im just saying...
18:42 < Ox40Work> I dont wanna do it the 'wrong way', which is why im using file_exists.
18:42 < Ox40Work> BUT...
18:42 < Ox40Work> I need to load classes from 3 locations - /framework/ /models/ and /controllers/
18:42 < Ox40Work> controllers is easy, because the class name ends in Controller (IndexController...)
18:43 < Ox40Work> But... I wonder if I should just make the framework have a prefix on the classes...
18:43 <+kirsk> ...
18:43 <+kirsk> or check their superclass?
18:43 < Ox40Work> ?
18:43 <+kirsk> if they inherit from Controller then they are controllers and should be loaded from /controllers/
18:43 < Ox40Work> how do I check that in __autoload...? :P
18:44 < Ox40Work> I cant see if they inherit unless i Include them...
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18:44 <+kirsk> ok
18:44 <+kirsk> and how do you know you have to load them in the first place?
18:46 <+kirsk> if you know only the name then yeah
18:46 < zeropod> i need to get all the eps of dexters lab heh
18:46 <+jd19> that was an ok lunch...
18:50 < Ox40Work> kirsk: When I use BukuRequestManager::dispatch();
18:50 < Ox40Work> It gets the controller from the URL, and calls FooController::getContent() or whatever
18:51 < Ox40Work> __autoload says "HEY WTF! We need a Foo Controller!!!!"
18:51 <+kirsk> zomg
18:51 < Ox40Work> And it goes and finds /controllers/FooController.php
18:51 < Ox40Work> So, controllers are easy.
18:52 < Ox40Work> BukuRequestManager, as well. It just says "Hey, I need BukuRequestManager, where the HELL is it? its not XXXController, so it must be in /framework/
18:52 < Ox40Work> "
18:52 < Ox40Work> But, now with models, I have a problem, cuz it will look in /framework/ for User or w/e
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18:52 <+kirsk> ok
18:53 <+kirsk> i would look in controllers first
18:53 <@E-J> BukkakeRequestManager
18:53 <+kirsk> if its there and ends in xxxController then yay
18:53 <+kirsk> if its there but ends in something else.. omg warning
18:53 < Ox40Work> So, might just check for 'Controller', then check if file_exists('/models/'.$class);
18:53 <+kirsk> if it isnt there and its in models then yay
18:53 < Ox40Work> :)
18:53 < Ox40Work> yeah, sounds good
18:53 <+kirsk> if it isnt there and isnt in models then omg warning
18:53 < Ox40Work> I gotta work on that when I get home
18:54 < Ox40Work> :)
18:54 < Ox40Work> Its gonna be called BuKu Framework
18:54 <+kirsk> yay
18:54 < Ox40Work> A framework for the restofus
18:54 < Ox40Work> :)
18:54 <@E-J> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/doc363/prezpaintit.jpg
18:55 < Ox40Work> Quick, someone get out the Framework Pole!
18:55 < Ox40Work> E-J: I fail to see the humor
18:55 <+kirsk> haha nice
18:56 <+kirsk> its a csi miami reference
18:56 <+prime> yea i dont get it
18:56 <+prime> i get its a csi thing
18:56 <+kirsk> paint it black is a song
18:56 <+prime> i also know that
18:56 <+kirsk> and relevant to white house with black president
18:56 <+prime> oh
18:56 <+prime> i give it a 1/2 "har"
18:57 <+kirsk> i give it +1 har for the double sunglasses
18:57 < Ox40Work> i give it a 'holyshit we actually voted the antichrist into office?!!' har.
18:59 <+kirsk> wat
18:59 <+kirsk> this is really wierd
18:59 <+kirsk> my best dude friend isnt answering his phone all week
18:59 <+kirsk> doesnt reply to texts or email
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19:00 <+jd19> kidnapped
19:00 <+kirsk> we always hang out in town tuesday but he didnt respond then either and last weekend we planned to do something this thursday evening
19:00 <+kirsk> but he's still not responding
19:01 <+jd19> did you do something to piss him off
19:01 <+kirsk> no i even gave him dibs on the girls
19:01 <+kirsk> maybe they kidnapped him!
19:02 <+jd19> lucky him
19:02 <+kirsk> unlucky me
19:02 <@E-J> have you checked that he isn't dead
19:02 <+jd19> maybe you should go to his place
19:02 <+kirsk> i need someone to come to poolcenter with me so i can chat up the bargirl who always smiles very cutely at me
19:03 <+kirsk> going to one of his parent's places would be wierd
19:03 <+prime> will you pay my airfare?
19:03 <+kirsk> and i cant find their number either
19:03 <+prime> if so ill totally go
19:03 <+kirsk> yeah if they accept negative money
19:04 <@E-J> you can try zimbabwe dollar
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19:12 < bense> Ox40Work, what do you mean fily_classes?
19:21 < sir_lewk> filthy filthy classes
19:21 < sir_lewk> so kinky
19:21 < Ox40Work> bense??
19:21 < sir_lewk> E-J: or icelandic money ;)
19:21 < Ox40Work> What do you mean?
19:22 < bense> <Ox40Work> bense: yeah, fily_exists might be my only hope
19:22 < bense> i suspect that you meant someone else :P
19:22 < bense> i ordered the voyage 200
19:22 < bense> i'm gonna call it my fantastic voyage
19:23 < Ox40Work> lol
19:23 < Ox40Work> I meant file_exists
19:23 < Ox40Work> when did I say that to you?
19:23 < Ox40Work> I am goin nutzzzzz
19:23 < Ox40Work> <.<
19:23 < Ox40Work> >.>
19:23 < Ox40Work> -.-
19:23 < bense> slide slide slippity slide just forget about your troubles and your nine to five
19:23 < bense> more like
19:24 < bense> slide slide slippity slide just forget about your variables and your diffs and derives
19:24 < Ox40Work> ...
19:24 < Ox40Work> Make one about classes and directories.
19:24 < Ox40Work> :)
19:24 <@E-J> http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/123325512598.jpg
19:24 < bense> comeeee alonggggg and ride on a fantastic voyage
19:24 <+prime> LOL
19:24 < Ox40Work> lol E-J
19:24 < Ox40Work> nice
19:24 < Ox40Work> I dont get it, but its funny.
19:25 <@E-J> OMOH is russian police special forces
19:25 < Ox40Work> :D
19:25 < Ox40Work> OMOH?
19:25 < Ox40Work> On My Other Hand?
19:25 < Ox40Work> Oh My OH!
19:25 <@E-J> written in cyrillic letters, it is really Omon
19:25 < Ox40Work> OM(nomnomnom) OH!?
19:26 <@E-J> Ox40Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omon
19:26 < Ox40Work> ah
19:26 < Ox40Work> ;) gotcha
19:26 < Ox40Work> I didnt see the nametag at first
19:26 <+kirsk> that sign on the bus is awesome
19:26 <@E-J> in finnish newspaper picture of them was flipped, so in their back text was HOMO
19:27 <+kirsk> does that sign mean that pedestrians crossing the street better run cause theyre not going to be given right of way?
19:29 < Ox40Work> haha E-J
19:33 < Ox40Work> So, I have an investment I can make...
19:34 < Ox40Work> I can spend $130 and end up with $150 on top of what I earn back...
19:34 < Ox40Work> But, I need the cash, anyone wanna be an investor? :)
19:37 < zeropod> anyone wanna spend $130 and never see it again?
19:37 <+prime> Ox40Work: pm me
19:38 <+kirsk> on top of what you earn back?
19:38 < Ox40Work> ya, I would make $150 on the deal
19:38 <+kirsk> ok
19:38 <+jd19> on top of what you earn back...how much are you planning to earn
19:38 < Ox40Work> $280 total
19:39 < Ox40Work> from $130
19:39 <+jd19> hmm
19:40 <+jd19> so the investor gets $205 back and you get $75?
19:40 < ports-> hey
19:40 < Ox40Work> or I send $180 back...
19:40 < Ox40Work> and you make $50 in a couple days :P
19:40 < ports-> Ox40: no
19:40 <+kirsk> lulz
19:40 < Ox40Work> hehe
19:40 < ports-> anyone know how to sync google gmail contacts with outlook?
19:42 < zeropod> sorry 
19:42 <+jd19> oggsync
19:42 < zeropod> I can't even synch gmail with address book
19:43  * Ox40Work scrounges through the couch for $130
19:43 < Ox40Work> $0.27!
19:44 <+kirsk> nice
19:44 < ports-> http://www.goloia.com/SynContact/SynContact.aspx
19:44 < ports-> that works
19:46 <+jd19> why did you ask us then
19:46 < Ox40Work> conversation maker :)
19:46 < ports-> because i found it
19:46  * chronomex peeks in
19:46 < ports-> ive been looking for a while
19:46 < ports-> and i was reading the comments on an article where someone asked the same question in a blog
19:46 < ports-> and someone linked that in the blog
19:47 <+jd19> oh
19:47 <+jd19> i told you: oggsync
19:47 < ports-> oggsync is payware fool
19:48 < ports-> how long have you known me? the only stuff i pay for is hardware.
19:48 < ports-> i think i want to buy a business card scanner
19:49 <+jd19> and for hookers
19:49 <+kirsk> business card scanner?
19:50 <+jd19> where the hell were you?  steak n' shake?
19:53 < zeropod> ports-: why?
19:53 < zeropod> just get a penscanner
19:54 < zeropod> they are only a little more, and portable
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19:57 < ports-> link
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19:58 < ports-> sheesh
19:58 < ports-> my phone has been busy today
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20:01 < i_c-Y> hi Dam\__ 
20:01 < Dam\__> Hello.
20:02 < i_c-Y> i see you're at Uni
20:09 < Ox40Work> sheeeeep
20:09 < Ox40Work> BAHHH
20:14 < zeropod> Andy_J Andy_J Andy_J Andy_J 
20:14 <@Andy_J> ?
20:14 < Ox40Work> zeropod zeropod zeropod zeropod
20:14 < zeropod> Ox40Work Ox40Work Ox40Work Ox40Work 
20:14 < Ox40Work> :D
20:14 <@E-J> southplainscollege sounds like southern states
20:15 <@E-J> all those cotton fields and ...
20:17 <+jd19> everythings bigger in texas
20:17 < Ox40Work> Did you know that blacks have something in their skin that makes them dark? Its called 'WaterMelonin'.
20:17 < Ox40Work> *cymbal-snare!*
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20:18 < Dam\__> E-J:  You pretty much got the nail on the head there.  There's cotton everywhere.
20:18 <@Andy_J> zeropod: ...
20:19 < zeropod> Andy_J: just a drill
20:19 < Dam\__> "Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice?"
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20:20 <+kirsk> i just had a brilliant idea
20:21 < Dam\__> Uh-oh.
20:21 <+kirsk> 1. get police dog that can smell mushrooms
20:21 <+kirsk> 2. go to woods
20:21 <+kirsk> 3. walk dog
20:21 <+kirsk> 4. profit!
20:23 < Ox40Work> its called a pig :)
20:23 < Ox40Work> triffles!
20:23 < Ox40Work> OHMYGOD you figured out step 3!
20:23 < zeropod> he did
20:24 < Ox40Work> ^_^
20:24 <+kirsk> or even better
20:24 < Ox40Work> <(^_^)<      <(^_^)>    >(^_^)>
20:24 <+kirsk> 2. go to rave
20:25 <+kirsk> 3. dance with dog
20:25 < Ox40Work> 4. ????
20:25 < Ox40Work> 5. Profit!
20:25 < zeropod> 6. ????
20:25 <+kirsk> it will find the cute hippie lsd/mdma dealer chicks
20:25 < Ox40Work> Did you hear, obama is going to lower taxes?
20:25 < zeropod> 7. homeless
20:25 < Ox40Work> He can do this because of the revenue from the KFC sign on the front of the whitehouse.
20:25 < Ox40Work> ^_^ muahahahaa
20:26 <+kirsk> nice
20:26 < Ox40Work> Also, the grape-soda companies are getting a massive 'stock-the-whitehouse-fridge' bailout
20:26 < Dam\__> Clearly, step four is to simple... *Loud truck passes by.* ...and step six is to go and... *Jet thundering overhead.* ...and there you go.
20:26 < Ox40Work> lol Dam\__
20:27 < Ox40Work> guys, what happens when you /join #home ?
20:27 <+kirsk> [21:27] * Now talking in #home
20:27 < Ox40Work> ...
20:27 < Ox40Work> I got klined the other day :X
20:28 <@chronomex> nice move
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20:31 <+jd19> haha
20:31 < Ox40Work> ...
20:31 < Ox40Work> I.... am so hungry.
20:32 < Ox40Work> send.... foooooood
20:32 < zeropod> i just had a few ( read 15 ) pizza rolls
20:33 < Ox40Work> lol
20:33 < Ox40Work> Ima do this!
20:33 < Ox40Work> 1.) Put jacket on,
20:33 < Ox40Work> 2.) Walk across street to car
20:33 < Ox40Work> 3.) Start car and drive home
20:33 < Ox40Work> 4.) Turn on Deep Fryer
20:33 < Ox40Work> 5.) Drive to supermarket
20:34 < Ox40Work> 6.) Get Frozen Fish Sticks
20:34 < Ox40Work> 7.) Drive Home
20:34 < Ox40Work> 8.) ?????
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20:34 < Ox40Work> ... 10.) profit
20:34 < zeropod> no 9?
20:34 <+kirsk> 9. get kicked from #tcpa
20:34 < zeropod> also, you leave your house with deep fryer?
20:35 < zeropod> om
20:35 < zeropod> *on
20:35 < Ox40Work> jup
20:35 < Ox40Work> its tiny
20:35 < Ox40Work> and enclosed
20:35 < zeropod> i want your house to BURN
20:35 < Ox40Work> O.o
20:35 < Ox40Work> HEY!
20:35 < Ox40Work> I just want some food!
20:35 < Ox40Work> dont wish a disaster on me
20:36 < zeropod> get fish sticks on the way home
20:36  * E-J wishes a disaster on Ox40Work 
20:36 < zeropod> then start deep fryer
20:36 < zeropod> fap
20:36 < zeropod> then put fish sticks i 
20:36 < zeropod> *in
20:36 <+kirsk> wash hands first
20:36 < zeropod> eh
20:36 < Ox40Work> zeropod: [work] =======(road)====[home]=====================================[store]
20:37 <@E-J> Ox40Work: http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Vantaa+fish+finger+episode+causes+lively+debate/1135242753441
20:37 <@E-J> remember to take just 3
20:37 < Ox40Work> lol
20:37 < Ox40Work> Ima make an entire box dude
20:37 < Ox40Work> thats like 12
20:37 < Ox40Work> :mmmmmmmm omnomnomnom
20:38 < zeropod> i ate so
20:38 < zeropod> so
20:38 < zeropod> ...
20:38 < zeropod> fuck you send key
20:38 <+kirsk> omnomnom
20:38 < zeropod> some celery
20:39 < Dam\__> In C++, how can I detect whether the user is running on sixty-four-bit?
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20:40 <+kirsk> try to access 16tb memory
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20:45 < Ox40Work> :P
20:45 < Ox40Work> in php $_SERVER['PROCESSOR_IS_FUCKING_64_BIT???']
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20:49 < ports_> hey guys
20:49 < ports_> i need an xp key for a bit
20:49 < ports_> anyone got one i can borrow?
20:49 < zeropod> gey huys
20:50 < ports_> i just need it till i get back to the hotel and get the one off my computer
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20:50 < Ox40Work> ports_: doesnt work that way
20:50 < ports_> Ox40, what doesnt
20:50 < Ox40Work> xp keys
20:50 < ports_> Ox40, yes it does
20:50 < Ox40Work> ...
20:50 < ports_> i just want to finish the install
20:51 < ports_> then i go in and change the key in 2 hours
20:51 < Ox40Work> no, I dont have one
20:51 < ports_> see
20:51 < ports_> ass hat
20:51 < ports_> you could have said that
20:52 < Ox40Work> heh, when I see ass-hat, all I can think of is that cat picture
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20:54 <+kirsk> ports_: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Windows+XP+Professional%22+%22Belarc+Advisor+Current+Profile%22+key%3A
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22:02 <@efneTI92> [Netham45] Narf!
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22:05 < Tari> mmm, cornbread
22:05 < Ox40Work> So, anyone want a 220V Battery Backup UPS with external backup-backup battery?
22:06 < Ox40Work> My roommate got 2 of them from the place he works, and he wants to sell them
22:06 -!- Dam\__ [~winterven@216.117.120.200] has joined #tcpa
22:06 < Ox40Work> PowerWare 9152 or something
22:06 < Tari> ..220?
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22:06 < i_c-Y> its been within a hundred miles of you - nobody's interested
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22:06 < i_c-Y> Tari: there are 220V UPS in the US
22:06 < i_c-Y> (depends on the size and what kind of sockets you have)
22:06 < Ox40|Work> What'd I miss?
22:07 < zeropod> 220 is blegh
22:07 < Ox40|Work> 220 is awesome
22:07 < Ox40|Work> They are all black and... glossy. Rack-mount capable... *awesome*
22:08 < Ox40|Work> So, by the way, Award for 'Cutest Search Engine' goes to.....
22:08 < Ox40|Work> *drumroll* http://redzee.com
22:08 < zeropod> Ox40|Work: I said that about a year back
22:08 < Dam\__> (C++) Can I read memory?  I want to make a RAM viewer program.  I tried something like "unsigned long *ptr; ptr = 0; cout << ptr << " " << endl", and that's all fine...
22:08 < Ox40|Work> zeropod: blahblahblah
22:08 < Dam\__> ...but when I try to do anything that accesses what's "ptr" is pointing to, I get a segmentation fault.
22:09 < Ox40|Work> I gave it an award!
22:09 < Dam\__> * what
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22:10 <+kirsk> no, c++ can not read memory in any way whatsoever
22:10 <+kirsk> sorry
22:11 < _Digital> why does that not make any sense to me?
22:12 <+Netham45> kirsk, how do you recall a stored variable?
22:12 < Ox40Work> Dude...
22:12 < Ox40Work> its called sarcasm...
22:12 < Ox40Work> learn it some time.
22:12 <+Netham45> Dude...
22:12 <+Netham45> that was sarcasm...
22:12 <+Netham45> learn it some time.
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22:13 < Ox40|Work> WAT THE HECK?!
22:13 <+kirsk> your internet is most excellent
22:13 < Ox40|Work> no kidding.
22:13 < Dam\__> The Internet is full of porn... and sarcasm.
22:13 < Ox40|Work> Netham45: You are awful at sarcasm...
22:13 < Ox40|Work> And thats true.
22:13 <+Netham45> Ox40|Work, nice sarcasm there. :)
22:13 < Ox40|Work> See, you suck so badky.
22:13 < Ox40|Work> badly.
22:14 < Ox40|Work> *shakes head*
22:14 < Ox40|Work> You are gonna make my head explode, youngin'.
22:14 < i_c-Y> Dam\__: you're setting the pointer to null
22:14 < i_c-Y> err address 0
22:14 < i_c-Y> thats an access violation
22:14 < i_c-Y> and causes a seg fault
22:14 <+Netham45> Ox40|Work, shouldn't you be working or something?
22:14 < Ox40|Work> Netham45: I am. Keeping you in line.
22:14 < Ox40|Work> :D
22:15 < Ox40|Work> Nah, im wasting the rest of my day away... waiting to go back home and program.
22:15 <+Netham45> I wasn't aware I required regulation...
22:15 <+Netham45> :P
22:15 < Ox40|Work> Yeah, you should have an ORM-D sticker on your forehead.
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22:17 <+jd19> where do you work Ox40Work 
22:17 <+jd19> or i should say, waht do you do
22:17 < Ox40Work> I supervise.
22:17 < Ox40Work> We need a new isp.
22:18 <+jd19> Charter not cutting it eh
22:18 < Ox40Work> noep
22:18 < Ox40Work> Ya, I supervise... but there is nobody here to supervise...
22:19 < _Digital> Verizon++
22:19 < Ox40Work> So, I _________.
22:19 <+jd19> mediacom is good for downloading....not so great for uploading
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22:19 <@Andy_J> so he sits here and shoots the breeze all day
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22:19 < _Digital> wow
22:19 < _Digital> you suck
22:19 < Ox40|Work> Jebus...
22:19 < Ox40|Work> hold on
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22:20 < Ox40|Work> Ok, lets see how that does
22:20  * _Digital waits for ping timeout
22:20 <+jd19> i figured someone was getting him with that DCC SEND exploit :D
22:21 < _Digital> glowplugs > sparkplugs
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22:21 < _Digital> jd19, we tend to have more etiquette than that. sometimes...
22:21 < _Digital> hey Spengo 
22:21 < Spengo> sup
22:23 < Dam\__> i_c-Y:  Still segfaults.  Don't know what I'm doing wrong (probably everything):  http://tcpa.pastebin.com/d1b4a7172
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22:23 < Ox40Work> BLAHH!
22:23  * Ox40Work walks away
22:23 < Ox40Work> :( boredom sets in....
22:23 <+jd19> better start sending keep alives
22:24 < Ox40Work> how?
22:24 < Dam\__> Send "/ping" every ten seconds?
22:24 < Ox40Work> PONG
22:24 <+jd19> i have no idea
22:24 <@Andy_J> like irssi does?
22:24 <@Andy_J> irssi ftw
22:24 < Ox40Work> Dam\__: doesnt work
22:25 < Ox40Work> Andy_J: But, mine doesnt look like shit
22:25 <+jd19> irssi is sweet
22:25 <@Andy_J> neither does irssi
22:25 < i_c-Y> you're accessing memory you're not supposed to, Dam\__ 
22:25 < zeropod> irssi is okay..
22:25 <@chronomex> sweet like a bucket of chocolate icecream
22:25 < zeropod> Andy_J: do you use terminal.app?
22:25 <@Andy_J> yes
22:25 < zeropod> and did you use macports to get irssi?
22:26 <@Andy_J> yes
22:26 < zeropod> and does it ever bug out? leave garbage etc?
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22:26 <@Andy_J> if I send it control codes accidentally, yes, but it'd do that in any terminal
22:26 <@Andy_J> because the terminal is doing what it's supposed to with those control codes
22:27 < zeropod> i mean, like, the input line and the info bar above it disappears after you enter a line and it stops updating until you exit terminal.app and rejoin
22:28 < zeropod> granted I am using screen aswell
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22:28 <@Andy_J> I've never had that
22:28 < i_c-Y> Dam\__: your code access memory its not supposed to. what are you going to do about it?
22:28 <@Andy_J> unless control codes were sent by accident
22:28 < zeropod> hrm...
22:28 < Dam\__> i_c-Y:  Google and figure out what I can access?
22:28 <@Andy_J> sounds like you may have done that inadvertantly
22:29 < Dam\__> (And how to do it right?)
22:29 < zeropod> Andy_J: it does it *all the time*
22:29 <@Andy_J> Dam\__: I think you have too many asterisks.
22:29 < i_c-Y> Dam\__: what are you trying to do overall?
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22:29 <@Andy_J> Ox40|Work: fix it, or leave, please.
22:29 < _Digital> another one bites the dust...
22:30 < Dam\__> Andy_J / i_c-WHY:  Display the address, then the hex there, then the ASCII part.
22:30 < i_c-Y> first, *x=1 assigns 1 to whatever memory location is pointed to by x. you didnt allocate x with malloc or calloc so its writing to some random place causing a segfault there.
22:30 < Dam\__> * i_c-Y
22:30 <@Andy_J> ^ i_c-Y; hence, too many asterisks
22:30 < i_c-Y> Andy_J: he's printing out random memory.
22:31 < i_c-Y> is what he's trying to do
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22:31 <@Andy_J> it's still a case of too many asterisks :p
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22:32  * _Digital looks at #calcgames
22:33 < _Digital> everyone is having that problem today
22:33 < i_c-Y> cat im a kitty cat and i dance dance dance and i dance dance dance
22:34 <+kirsk> and meow meow meow
22:34 < Spengo> mmmm
22:34 < Spengo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128359
22:34 < Spengo> I want it
22:35 < Dam\__> "Purr-ovacative posing!  Purr-ovacative posing!"
22:35 < Dam\__> s:a:o:g
22:36 < i_c-Y> seeing as you have what, a core 2 duo E6300, its a waste 
22:36 < Spengo> I have an E6420
22:36 < Spengo> right now
22:36 < Spengo> but I want a new one
22:37 < i_c-Y> why not wait for i7 to pricedrop a bit
22:37 < Spengo> lol
22:37 < Spengo> then something else will be out and it will be "why not wait for the price of x to drop a bit
22:41 < i_c-Y> seeing that you can upgrade RAM for 150 , proc for 300, mobo for 200 - 250, thats a 650-700 dollar upgrade
22:43 < Spengo> I don't need to spend that much
22:44 < Spengo> I can do $270 for mobo and CPU, $50 for memory
22:45 < Spengo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184
22:45 < Spengo> right on the front page
22:45 < Tari> yeah, I got one of those :)
22:46 < Tari> upgraded to 6 gigs
22:46 < Spengo> I already have 2GB of DDR2 800MHz
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22:46 < Spengo> I could get another 4GB to make it 6GB, do you think I should get 800MHz or spend the extra $ to get them as 1066MHz
22:47 < Tari> 800 is fine
22:47 < Tari> IMO
22:47 <+kirsk> you wont notice any difference ever
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22:47 < Spengo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231122
22:47 < Spengo> there's some G.Skill
22:48 < Spengo> they have great skill in memory world
22:48 < _Digital> i_c-Y, I'm running at 208 watts of total consumed power for my server on load. Even a high efficiency new PSU won't pay for itself in 2 years for me. I wish there was an upgrade I can do that would deliver something better
22:48 < Spengo> I could also get another hard drive which I kinda need
22:48 < Spengo> and do an awesome upgrade for only $300
22:49 < Spengo> 400 I mean
22:51 <+Netham45> Spengo, look at the 3rd review for that
22:51 <+Netham45> Cons: These don't give back massages with happy endings.
22:51 < Spengo> heh
22:52 < Spengo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148373
22:52 < Spengo> nom
22:56 <+Netham45> om nom?
22:56 < Spengo> I think I might buy that now actually
22:56 < Spengo> hmm
22:56 <+jd19> that looks neat
22:56 <+jd19> even though i see it in all text
22:56 < Spengo> it's been tough times since my external died... I need more space
22:57 <+jd19> the magic text of elinks
22:57 <+Netham45> heh
22:57 <+Netham45> grr
22:57 <+Netham45> exchange is ssllooww
22:57 < Spengo> I wonder if I should go for 1TB or if 750GB is good enough for now
22:57 <+jd19> go 1TB
22:57 <+jd19> you won't be disappointed
22:57 < Spengo> I can do the other upgrades with tax return $
22:57 <+Netham45> with the price difference, I'd go 1TB.
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22:58 < Spengo> yeah but
22:58 < Spengo> hm
22:58 <+jd19> that reminds me, i need to get my taxes done at some point here
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22:58 < Spengo> I need most of my tax return $ for... other things...
22:58 <+Netham45> I still havn't gotten one of my damn W2's
22:59 <+jd19> i have mine, i just need to remember where i put it
22:59 <+Netham45> I have one of mine, but I havn't gotten the 2nd one. =/
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23:00 <@Andy_J> I need to do my taxes
23:00 <+jd19> time to go home, bbl
23:00 <@Andy_J> get it out of the way
23:00 < Spengo> I haven't gotten both of my W2s yet either
23:00 <+Netham45> cya
23:00 <@Andy_J> hopefully get some money back
23:00 < Spengo> grr
23:01 <+Netham45> I'm hoping for $200 total back
23:01 <+Netham45> I only worked like 3 months
23:01 < Spengo> since I am a student I should get most of mine back
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23:01 <+Netham45> same
23:01 <+Netham45> I paid $6 in taxes last year
23:01 <+Netham45> got the rest back
23:01 < Spengo> I only worked like 3 months, but I worked full time at fancy software internship
23:02 -!- Desensiti [~Desensitz@ip98-169-72-48.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #tcpa
23:02 < Desensiti> hey
23:02 < Spengo> I hope to get $1500 or so back
23:02 <+kirsk> how much do you typically get at internships in the us?
23:02 <+Netham45> I was a janitor at a pool
23:02 < Merthsoft> hello guys
23:02 <+Netham45> I was working 50 hour weeks tho
23:02 <+kirsk> here internships are like 2-300 euro a month, really lame
23:02 < Spengo> kirsk, that is lame
23:02 <@Andy_J> actually I don't have my W2 yet
23:02 <@Andy_J> I guess
23:02 < Spengo> I made $14/hr about 45hrs/week
23:02 <+kirsk> much cooler
23:02 <+Netham45> I was making $7.50/hr
23:03 <@Andy_J> I'll be making $a_lot/yr starting MOnday
23:03 <+Netham45> was working ~50/wk
23:03 <+kirsk> mind you i have the feeling companies here are only interested in 1 thing: you doing as much sellable work as opssible for as little wage as possible
23:03 < Desensiti> does anyone know where i can find a program which can be run on a ti-84 plus which can view images i create on my computer?
23:03 <@Andy_J> I'm not at liberty to discuss this information
23:03 < Spengo> heh
23:03 < Spengo> the companies here are like... YOU WILL WORK HERE AND YOU WILL LIKE IT AND THEN YOU WILL WORK FOR US AFTER COLLEGE... please?
23:04 <@Andy_J> grr, get my W2 to me, dammit
23:04 < _Digital> ditto
23:04 <@Andy_J> they got the thing that says I can claim $1XXX in tution as a deduction
23:04 <+Netham45> Desensiti, look for a program called truegray on ticalc.org
23:04 <@Andy_J> but now the W2 yet
23:04 < Spengo> they do take their sweet goddamn time sending W2s though
23:05 < Desensiti> thanks
23:05 < Desensiti> and
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23:05 < Desensiti> is there a good program which can convert text documents into something the ti can read?
23:05 <+Netham45> np
23:06 <+Netham45> TI makes one, notefolio, I believe.
23:06 <+Netham45> should have came with your 84.
23:06 < _Digital> Spengo, go look for the ST31000340AS seagate drive instead. It should last a bit longer due to perpendicular recording
23:06 < _Digital> and it has NCQ if you like that sort of thing
23:07 < Spengo> _Digital, it's out of stock
23:07 < _Digital> newegg isn't an end-all
23:07 < leofox> seagate is hard to get now a days
23:07 < Spengo> it is?
23:07 < leofox> because of the firmware issue
23:07 < Spengo> firmware issue?
23:07 < Spengo> I like seagate drives :(
23:07 < leofox> it's impossible to get them
23:08 < leofox> I talked to the supplier today about it
23:08 < Spengo> what do you mean, there are still lots of other seagate drives in stock, just not that particular model
23:08 <+kirsk> i like seagate too
23:08 <+kirsk> two
23:08 < _Digital> http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Unity_Electronics
23:08 <+kirsk> also
23:08 < Spengo> too was correct
23:08 < leofox> the firmware issue isnt with all disks
23:08 < _Digital> http://www.unityelectronics.com/product-product_id/5078
23:08 < _Digital> meh, nvm, refurb
23:09 < _Digital> Spengo, http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=ST31000340AS&oe=UTF-8&cid=4820642517865651889&scoring=p#ps-sellers
23:09 < Spengo> newegg is cheapest
23:09 < Spengo> the cheaper ones have shipping
23:10  * _Digital leaves to go get some glow plugs...
23:10 < Nikky> Good call on the ban Andy_J 
23:12 < Spengo> who is banned
23:12 <+kirsk> ox
23:12 < Spengo> ah
23:12 < leofox> he is?
23:12 < leofox> what he do
23:12 < Spengo> he was a dum-dum head
23:12 <+kirsk> yeah his connection was crapping out every minute
23:13 <+kirsk> already unbanned though i think
23:13 < Spengo> mine does that sometimes too, at least at school anyway
23:13 < Spengo> I think it has more to do with his dum-dum headedness
23:13 < Desensiti> can you mod the ti-84+ to give more memory?
23:13 <+kirsk> jup -b like half an hour ago
23:13 < leofox> Desensiti yeah its real easy
23:13 < leofox> i can show you how
23:13 < leofox> you go to  a store
23:13 < leofox> and you say "i want to trade my 84+ for the 84+ silver edition()
23:14 < Desensiti> leofox: i mean on the hardware level. because ive heard its been done.
23:14 < Desensiti> dont be sarcastic
23:14 < leofox> dunno
23:14 <+Netham45> then you heard wrong
23:14 < leofox> you can put an usb thing in there
23:14 < leofox> but you cant add to the flash mem
23:15 < Desensiti> haha
23:15 <+Netham45> you can use a USB memory stick, yea
23:15 < Desensiti> mkay.
23:15 < Desensiti> cuz i know you can voltmod and overclock
23:16 <+Netham45> you can do that on the 84's?
23:17 < Desensiti> 1 sec
23:17 < Desensiti> lemme look for links
23:17 < _Digital> you can overclock the 89 by replacing a SMT resistor...
23:18 < Desensiti> http://www.overclock.net/faqs/39776-info-can-i-overclock-my-texas.html
23:19 < Desensiti> hrm
23:19 < Desensiti> wow
23:19 < Desensiti> lol
23:19 < Desensiti> sux to have an 84
23:20 < Desensiti> wait so you can use a usb stick to upgrade
23:21 < ports_> anyone use nero burning rom?
23:21 < Desensiti> the mmemory?
23:22 <+kirsk> ports_: did you succeed in getting an xp key?
23:22 <+kirsk> and sometimes when i have to on someone else's comp i do use nero yes
23:22 <+kirsk> poweriso > *
23:24 < Desensiti> netham45 so can i see a tutorial for how I would use the usb memory stick?
23:26 < Desensiti> wait i think I found one
23:26 < Desensiti> I might have to get to soldering
23:26 < Desensiti> for an adapter to the calculator to be hidden inside
23:28 < ports_> kirsk, yeah i found mine
23:28 < ports_> anyone want it?
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23:30 <@efneTI92> [Storm|wrk] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
23:34 < Desensiti> would the inside of a ti-84 be roomy enough to hold a dis-assembled usb stick?
23:34 <+kirsk> yes
23:38 < ports_> kirsk, do you need a xp pro key?
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23:41 <+kirsk> nah im good with google or keygens
23:41 < ports_> eh
23:41 < ports_> mine is a legit key
23:41 < ports_> ok
23:43 < Spengo> hm
23:43 < Spengo> these G.Skill ones look fancy
23:43 < Spengo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231209
23:44 < Desensiti> dont buy those
23:44 < Desensiti> buy these
23:44 < Spengo> why whats
23:44 < Desensiti> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166
23:45 < Spengo> why
23:45 < Spengo> I might get these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184
23:45 < Spengo> I have the 2x1GB of those already
23:45 < Spengo> they overclock well
23:46 < Desensiti> well
23:46 < Desensiti> not only are those sticks slower but they also have worse timings and mail in rebates suck
23:46 < Desensiti> I build computers
23:46 < Desensiti> and do so well
23:46 < Spengo> so do I
23:46 < Spengo> but I like corsair
23:46 < Desensiti> I'd choose the G-SKill's I showed
23:46 <+kirsk> you mean: they overheat without giving a noticable performance increase well
23:47 < Desensiti> kirsk: overheating is not relevant when ram is at stock timings if you have any airflow at all in your computer
23:47 < Desensiti> which you do
23:47 <+kirsk> the performance increase is irrelevant too
23:47 < Desensiti> says you
23:47 < Desensiti> amd or intel?
23:47 <+kirsk> says i
23:48 < Desensiti> which cpu are you using the ram with?
23:48 < Desensiti> an intel or an amd?
23:48 < Desensiti> the difference is very relevant as speeds are more important than timings in intel cpu's
23:48 < Spengo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231148
23:48 < Desensiti> and those could easily hit 1100
23:48 < Spengo> what about those
23:48 < Spengo> the PC2 6400 version of the ones you showed
23:49 < Spengo> intel
23:49 < Desensiti> intel wants higher speeds
23:49 <+kirsk> so what performance increase will you notice?
23:49 < Spengo> mmkay
23:49 < Desensiti> amd wants lower timings
23:50 < Desensiti> i'd get the 1066's as those sticks may have similar heatspreaders but are not necc similar ram
23:50 < Desensiti> what are you doing on your computer?
23:50 < Desensiti> movies music internet irc im etc
23:50 < Desensiti> gaming
23:50 < Desensiti> programming
23:50 < Desensiti> server hosting stuff
23:51 < Desensiti> heavy graphic stuff like 3dmax photoshop movie rendering?
23:52 < Spengo> gaming
23:52 < Desensiti> then get the 1066's
23:52 < Desensiti> what intel cpu?
23:52 < Spengo> I built it awhile ago, due for an upgrade
23:52 < Desensiti> dual or quad?
23:52 < Spengo> only the E6420 right now
23:53 < Desensiti> is it overclocked?
23:53 < Spengo> yeah
23:53 < Desensiti> to what?
23:53 < Spengo> it's at 3.0GHz rightn ow
23:53 < Spengo> now*
23:53 < Desensiti> awesome
23:53 < Spengo> from 2.13 or something like that
23:53 <+kirsk> you can load mp3s 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds faster!
23:53 < Desensiti> thats good enough for basically all games on the market except crysis
23:53 < Spengo> yeah well
23:53 < Spengo> I like to upgrade
23:53 < Desensiti> but crysis will be bottlenecked by other components
23:53 <+kirsk> lol my amd m2 2ghz plays crysis at max
23:53 < Spengo> crysis is bottlenecked by my GPU
23:53 < Desensiti> yeah exactly
23:54 < Spengo> I have the old 8800GTS with the G80 chip
23:54 < Desensiti> i have a 8800 gtx with a g80
23:54 < Desensiti> im due for an upgrade also
23:54 < Desensiti> i'd worry the most about your gpu tho
23:54 < Desensiti> what psu do you have?
23:54 < Spengo> lol.
23:54 < Spengo> 850W
23:54 < Desensiti> haha
23:54 < Desensiti> then you are set for whatever gpu you want
23:54 < Desensiti> at least single
23:55 < Spengo> I bought a 650, but the fan was broken
23:55 < Spengo> so I RMAed it to OCZ, who were out of 650s so they sent me an 850
23:55 < Desensiti> damn
23:55 < Desensiti> lucky you
23:55 < Spengo> I don't remember how much power it has on the +12V rails, but lots
23:55 <@_Auron_> I have a TX650
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23:56 < Desensiti> do you have a gpu budget?
23:56 < Spengo> dunno yet
23:56 < Desensiti> ah
23:56 < Desensiti> what resolution are you gaming at?
23:56 < Spengo> 1680x1050
23:56 < Desensiti> nice
23:56 < Desensiti> im at 1920 by 1200 and its awesome
23:56 < Spengo> I also want to buy a CZ-75 with my tax return $
23:56 < Desensiti> not sure how much a difference it would be
23:56 < Desensiti> ah
23:56 < Desensiti> i went from 1440 x 900
23:56 < Spengo> so I'll have to see what I have left over after buying the other upgrades
23:56 < Desensiti> so it was huge for me
23:57 < Nikky> haha, 1680x12050
23:57 < Spengo> o and ammo... which I am very low on these days
23:57 < Nikky> haha, 1680x1050
23:57 < Nikky> what a loser
23:57 <+kirsk> i want 2560*1600+ : (
23:57 < Desensiti> thats not bad at all
23:57 < Spengo> it could be bigger
23:57 < Spengo> but meh
23:57 < Desensiti> yeah
23:57 < Spengo> 20" is big enough for me
23:58 < Nikky> 20" sucks
23:58 < Desensiti> if you think you will upgrade make sure the gpu will have the ram for it
23:58 < Spengo> what I could really use is a second monitor though
23:58 < Spengo> oh yeah definitely
23:58 < Nikky> Dual monitors suck
23:58 <+kirsk> lolwidescreen
23:58 < Spengo> 512MB is the minimum for GPUs these days
23:58 < Desensiti> nikky: do you have them?
23:58 < Spengo> the very minimum
23:58 < Nikky> of course not
23:58 < Desensiti> yeah
23:58 < Dam\__> Spengo:  I hope you're speaking of monitor sizes.  :P
23:58 <@_Auron_> hmm what to eat today
23:58 < Desensiti> nikky: i love my dual-monitor setup
23:58 < Spengo> yes
23:58 < Desensiti> specially if they are the same size
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23:59 < Spengo> I want another one for programmin
23:59 < Desensiti> its helpful for multitasking
23:59 < Nikky> Dual monitors suck
23:59 <@_Auron_> lies
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23:59 < Spengo> sometimes you have like... a development environment and 3 or 4 terminals open at the same time :P
23:59 < Nikky> well, 6
23:59 < Spengo> plus your browser
23:59 < Spengo> and irc
23:59 <+kirsk> any monitors with higher dpi than 96?
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