--- Log opened Wed Jan 21 00:00:09 2009
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00:07 < ports_> i win
00:07 < ports_> http://www.faniq.com/blog/Pro-Bowl-Cheerleaders-The-Best-Of-The-Best-Blog-17483
00:08 <+krisk> actually, marlina wins
00:11 < ports_> who
00:12 < ports_> lol
00:12 <+krisk> http://cdn.faniq.com/images/blog/a9901511a42b6edfa0ad7deb4099d6d9.jpg
00:12 < ports_> nah
00:12 < ports_> lindsey wins
00:12 < incubus[> mmm
00:12 < incubus[> brunettes rock
00:13 <+krisk> lindsay has a crazy convicted woman face
00:13 < ports_> krisk, i know
00:13 < ports_> krisk, shes the 'have sex upside down' crazy.
00:15 < incubus[> mmm
00:15 < incubus[> I could get her
00:15 < incubus[> imo
00:16 <+krisk> a “let’s huff paint 
00:16 <+krisk> and stalk your ex-girlfriends” kind of way
00:16 <+ix> incubus[: You could get her in your opinion? :-P
00:16 <+ix> Sounds dirty.
00:18 <+krisk> http://24.132.239.72/hot%20vs%20crazy.PNG
00:29 < sir_lewk> http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm :D
00:29 < sir_lewk> THIS IS MY FAVORITE NEW WEBPAGE
00:29 < sir_lewk> gonna file me some compliants against bitches
00:29 < Nikky> haha
00:33 < TD-Linux> ooh thanks for pointing me to that
00:34 < TD-Linux> no I do not need a warranty on my car
00:34 < TD-Linux> particularily because I don't have one atm
00:36  * Nikky gets a warranty on sir_lewk 
00:37 < sir_lewk> haha
00:37 < sir_lewk> damn I hate those car warranty shitheads
00:38 < sir_lewk> if I knew where they were calling from, I'd buy a bus ticket and burn them down
00:38 < Nikky> it's me
00:38 < sir_lewk> and yes FBI who is so slyly monitoring my online communications, that IS a threat
00:39 < sir_lewk> eat shit and die
00:40 < Nikky> :(
00:41 < sir_lewk> no, that was to the FBI
00:42 < sir_lewk> they're hatin on my 1st ammendment
00:42 < sir_lewk> I have that back now you'know?
00:43 < Nikky> boo
00:43 < Nikky> I dislike the constitution
00:43 < Nikky> so I voted McCain/Palin
00:44 < sir_lewk> wooo
00:44 -!- Grue__ is now known as Grue`
00:45 < Nikky> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20090119/cartoon20090119.jpg
00:51 < Milyardo> http://pastebin.com/m12f02a75
00:52 < Nikky> haha
00:52 < Nikky> win
00:54 < Nikky> http://nykida.net/images/fascism.jpg
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00:58 < Milyardo> lol
00:58 < Milyardo> The best part, after that convo I learned he wasn't even American
00:58 < Nikky> lulz
00:58 < Milyardo> he was Dutch
00:58 < Milyardo> and Works for Mircosoft
00:58 < Nikky> what a loser
00:59 < Milyardo> so when I sent him slashdot links, that apperently sent him over the edge
00:59 < Nikky> :)
00:59 < Damakaru> *Wonder why his class is learning using C++ instead of something like Python.*
00:59 < Nikky> because C++ kicks ass?
01:00 < Milyardo> Why not C++?
01:01 < Damakaru> Not that that is a bad thing, for, like, sharpening mental skills, and what not.  But I would think you would only need C or C++ when your programs really, really, really need speed, like for a graphics program or a complex game.
01:02 < Milyardo> Thats an often repeated statement, and a fallacy
01:02 < Milyardo> Languages provide one thing, a methodology for expression
01:02 < Milyardo> In a educational enviroment thats all that matters
01:03 < Milyardo> Languages that are most turing complete provide are the best for instruction with
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01:04 < Milyardo> (which is why more Scheme should be taught in Univeristy level Comp Sci classes, but thats MHO)
01:08 < Merthsoft> Damakaru: Because when you grow up and get in the real world, you should know C++
01:08 < Nikky> I know Merthsoft++, does that count?
01:08 < Merthsoft> yeah
01:08 < Damakaru> (I don't think I'll like this semester so much.  Especially since I heard "term paper" come up.)
01:09 < Nikky> papers are good for you
01:11 < ports_> hmm
01:12 < Damakaru> They're easy when you're writing something about yourself, but when you have to write about another person, or, even worse, what they were thinking, then it's like, *Groans:* "Oh, boy..."
01:13 < Merthsoft>                         
01:15 < Barrett> Wow.  Just. wow.
01:15 < Barrett> I complained about my apartment complex not having a sign saying which building I live in (pizza and UPS never find it)
01:15 < Barrett> so they put up a tiny one
01:15 < Barrett> pizza guy still had to call
01:15 <@Andy_J> your fault for not telling the pizza people when you order
01:15 < pyromania> dont pizza guys all have gps nowadays?
01:16 < Barrett> Andy_J: I give them my correct address
01:16 < Barrett> pyromania: wouldn't help... there are a lot of buildings in this apartment complex
01:16 <@Andy_J> you can still give them extra information
01:16 < Barrett> each with different address
01:16 < Barrett> eh.. would be tough
01:16 <@Andy_J> if the address is unique then what's the problem?
01:16 < pyromania> if they all have different addresses then it shouldnt be an issue
01:16 < Barrett> building isn't marked very well
01:17 < Damakaru> People are still dumb.  You have to give a friggin' physical description of everything near where you are, so they're like, "Oh, hey, it's that bush that looks like George Washington; this must be that dude's place."
01:17 < Barrett> um... weird... how'd you know my building was called Washington?
01:18 < pyromania> well pizza drivers arent the most brilliant people in the world usually
01:18 <@Andy_J> It's called using it as an example.
01:18 <@Andy_J> It just so happened to be coincidental
01:18 <@Andy_J> for those around for the "open dialog" discussion earlier (krisk, sir_lewk) -- http://ajanata.com/junk/win7/win7-open.png
01:19 < pyromania> glad to see windows 7 still hasnt put back the "up" button
01:19 <@Andy_J> theoretically that's what the buttons in the path breadcrumbs are for
01:20 <@Andy_J> but yeah it's stupid
01:20 < pyromania> msft developers dont have drives like mine then
01:20 <@Andy_J> they change the printscreen button
01:20 < pyromania> you look at my music directory and theres like 400 folders in there
01:20 <@Andy_J> instead of printscreen doing the entire window and alt-printscreen doing the active
01:20 < pyromania> then ive gotta scroll all the way to the top to go up
01:20 <@Andy_J> er, entire screen.
01:20 <@Andy_J> printscreen now does the active window and control-printscreen the entire screen
01:20 <@Andy_J> RETARDED.
01:20 < pyromania> yeah that doesnt make a whole lot of sense
01:21 <@Andy_J> I need to dig out where I saved the key at so I can activate it and send them feedback about that
01:23 <@Andy_J> other than that, it's a nice improvement over vista
01:23 < pyromania> ive yet to try it out
01:23 <@Andy_J> The taskbar is essentially the OS X dock now.
01:23 <+mtgrss111> yo!
01:23 < pyromania> i might dual boot it on here or my desktop
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01:23 < pyromania> ive heard it runs pretty well on netbooks
01:24 <@Andy_J> the DVD didn't want to boot in this computer
01:24 <@Andy_J> so I had to fix the screwed up vista install on its hard drive and then install from there
01:25 <@Andy_J> bootrec isn't very good at fixing broken bootloaders.
01:25 < pyromania> i doubt ill do it on her, 60gb isnt alot of space for two oses
01:26 < pyromania> *here
01:27 < Damakaru> *Wonders why Windows devs don't just add keyboard shortcut settings like in GNOME/KDE, where they can all be changed.*
01:28 <@Andy_J> because it needs to remain consistent from one computer to another
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01:32 < sir_lewk> yes, The Man has decreed that individuality is a sin.
01:32 < Milyardo> Because there may be users who change the setting and then cannot remeber that they changed it
01:33 < sir_lewk> and we must catter to the lowest common denominator or course
01:33 < Milyardo> in the unix world lets take screen for example
01:33 < Milyardo> when I was giving instructions on how to split terminals in screen to someone who had changed the escape sequence key
01:33 < sir_lewk> my theory, it's just because microsft is a bunch of egotistical lazy asses who use "uniformity" as an excuse to not implement features
01:34 < Milyardo> they actualy asked wether they had to use the default or the one they chaged it to
01:34 < Milyardo> O.O
01:34 < sir_lewk> idiot
01:35 < sir_lewk> you should have told him to `rm -rf ~/` to reset it
01:39 <+krisk> i like the up button
01:40 <+mtgrss111> hey krisk, you wanted to see that pic? ;)
01:41 <+krisk> im sure printscreen will be changed back during/after beta
01:41 <+krisk> sure
01:42 <+krisk> actually, the up button rocks
01:43 <+mtgrss111> this was taken about 6 months ago
01:43 <+mtgrss111> http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c119/metagross111/laurie.jpg
01:43 <+krisk> oh metagross, i was wondering what mtgrss was
01:43 <+krisk> cool
01:43 <+krisk> redhead?
01:44 < ports_> whos the girl
01:44 < ports_> oh wait
01:44 < ports_> shes like 12
01:44 <+mtgrss111> more blond, actually. the party had a lot of red lights though
01:44 <+krisk> looks 15 ish
01:44 <+mtgrss111> she's 18 o_O
01:44 <+krisk> yeah i was thinking lights or redhead
01:44 < ports_> krisk, does it matter?
01:44 <+krisk> pic+you make her look younger
01:44 < ports_> shes too young for me
01:44 < ports_> thats all that matters
01:45 <+krisk> the two of you probably look younger because you have braces
01:46 <+krisk> is it just me or do vista/win7 icons suck? so much meaningless white space
01:48 <+mtgrss111> i like them. never found the space a problem
01:48 <+krisk> they look so bland and meaningless
01:48 <+mtgrss111> unless you are looking in thumbnail mode
01:48 <+krisk> i mean the icons of things in windows not files
01:48 <+mtgrss111> desktop?
01:48 <+krisk> http://ajanata.com/junk/win7/win7-open.png
01:49 <+krisk> like the "recent places" and "libraries" icons
01:49 <+mtgrss111> thats win7?
01:49 <+krisk> not to mention the list/details style button in the top right
01:49 <+mtgrss111> vista looks like that unless you tweak the settings, which i did
01:50 <+krisk> and the white arrows from windows95 that now cover 99% of the icon on those folders
01:50 <+mtgrss111> i hate the shortcut icon X[
01:51 <+krisk> far too much margin/padding around everything too. either the icons should be bigger or the window could be half as big as it is
01:51 <+mtgrss111> lol, i tried to close the window on the pic you sent me ^_^
01:51 <+krisk> lulz
01:52 < Damakaru> Yeah, there's too much of something... I can see fifteen files at a time in my file prompts, the same size.
01:54 < Damakaru> s:fif:eigh:
01:54 <+krisk> im gonna fix it with gimp and tell microsoft to hire me for 100k/y
01:56 <@chronomex> yeah, good idea
01:57 <+krisk> i'd also like to know who screwed up gimp
01:58 <+krisk> seriously, ctrl+shift+alt+click+drag to move stuff?
01:58 <+krisk> dialog boxes that dont take focus and main windows that always cover them
01:59 <@chronomex> krisk: ctry+shift+alt+drag? wtf?
01:59 <@chronomex> don't you just select the layer and use the move tool?
01:59 <+krisk> nope thats how it used to work
02:00 <@chronomex> crazy
02:02 < Damakaru> Is RSI something that just suddenly happens one day if you type or use the mouse too much?
02:02 <+krisk> no it develops
02:02 <+krisk> its also not just "too much" but position and pressure come into play
02:03 <+krisk> http://24.132.239.72/FFFFFGIMP.PNG
02:04 <+krisk> and yes that toolbar+config window are on top of the opened file window in which i am dragging selection so it should be on top and have focus
02:04 <+krisk> and the config window cant be on top of the toolbox
02:04 < Damakaru> GIMP devs ought to come up with a better way of managing windows.
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02:05 <@efneTI92> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
02:07 <+krisk> http://24.132.239.72/FFFFFQUITGIMP.JPG
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02:11 < ports_> http://images.askmen.com/photos/jessica-chobot/48177.jpg
02:12 <+krisk> those realdolls are sure getting advanced
02:13 < ports_> is that not a real person?
02:13 < ports_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Chobot
02:16 < Damakaru> *Insert link to "girl gamers" on "Questionable Content" here.*
02:32 < Nikky> hahahahahahaha http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/2009/01/obama-fails-to-take-oath-as-required-by.html
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02:34 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Goplat] by efneTI89
02:37 < Damakaru> Can I store a string in a "char," or does it have to be a "char *?"
02:37 <+krisk> http://24.132.239.72/win7-open%20BETTERRR.PNG
02:39 < Damakaru> (I'm trying to use "toupper(word)," but GCC is hitting me on the head because "word" is a string.)
02:39 <@chronomex> Damakaru: char*
02:39 < Tari_> yup
02:39 -!- Tari_ is now known as Tari
02:40 < Tari> a char is 8 bits
02:40 < Tari> just that
02:41 < Damakaru> Now, it is hitting me on the head, screaming, "invalid conversion from 'char*' to 'int'."
02:41 < Tari> paste your code
02:42 < Damakaru> http://tcpa.pastebin.com/d68c21975
02:43 < Tari> try g++
02:43 < Tari> actually, that's prolly no help
02:43 < Tari> gcc invokes g++ as needed, IIRC
02:44 < Damakaru> *Looks at output window again.*  Yep, it says "g++."
02:44 < Tari> what line is that error on?
02:45 < Damakaru> Tari:  Thirty-two.
02:46 < Tari> toupper takes a single character as input
02:46 < Tari> not a string
02:46 < Tari> int toupper(int aChar)
02:46 < Damakaru> *Facepalm.*
02:46 < Tari> is the prototype
02:48 < Damakaru> *Rewrites code.*
02:53 < Barrett> is the guy who made the flash TI emulator working on getting it so you can put programs on it?
02:58 < Barrett> whatever happend to TFG?
02:58 < ports_> stupid pizza hut
02:58 < ports_> theyre such a rip off
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02:59 < Damakaru> *Waves.*
03:00 < tifreak> hello
03:00 < tifreak> laughing my ass off at the moment, at the posts by kofler on ticalc.. XD
03:00 < tifreak> damn that is some good reading =D
03:03 < Damakaru> You mean he's still on the TIGCC/GCC4TI BS?
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03:03 < tifreak8x> grr..
03:07 < tifreak8x> anyways
03:07 < tifreak8x> that page is full of laughs.. XD
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03:09 < Damakaru> Swear, that dude really ought to be developing proprietary software.
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03:09 < Damakaru> * A Microsoft developer.
03:10 < tifreak8x> kofler is just so damned.. silly... XD
03:12 < Tari> I like how it's mostly kofler and debroux going back and forth
03:12 < Tari> I'm halfway down the page and they're starting to just fling insults...
03:12  * chronomex sighs
03:13 < tifreak8x> lol, it was really amusing to me.. XD
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03:15 < Damakaru> I stopped reading once he said "Window$."
03:15 < Merthsoft> There's nothing wrong with windows. And you should learn to use it
03:16 < Merthsoft> if you don't have basic windows skills, what's gonna happen when you go try and get a job, and you need windows skills
03:16 < sir_lewk> mmmm
03:16 < Damakaru> No, once someone puts a dollar sign in "Windows," I automatically consider the rest of what they have to say is crap.
03:16 < sir_lewk> nothankz
03:16 < Merthsoft> oh, someone actually said "window$"
03:16 < Tari> yup, kofler :)
03:17 < Merthsoft> haha
03:17 < i_c-Y> still gcc4ti?
03:17 < Damakaru> Same shit.
03:17 < tifreak8x> he hasn't updated squat in what, 2 years?
03:17 < Merthsoft> basically
03:17 < tifreak8x> why the heck does he care.. <_< sheesh..
03:17 < Merthsoft> cause he's a baby
03:18 < tifreak8x> i noticed..
03:18 < tifreak8x> hell, there are several pokemon ports going on
03:18 < tifreak8x> I don't whine about those
03:18 < Merthsoft> right
03:18 < tifreak8x> gives me motivation to work on mine
03:18 < Merthsoft> because you're a cool dude
03:18 < tifreak8x> psh
03:18 < tifreak8x> lol
03:18 < TheStorm> and that fact that yours is the best and closest to the real thing
03:19 < Damakaru> Until someone writes it an Assembly.
03:19 < Damakaru> * in
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03:19 < tifreak8x> Damakaru: not ever gonna happen either
03:19 < tifreak8x> it was started on Maxcoderz, in flash
03:19 < tifreak8x> and.. he hasn't said a word about it in months
03:20 < i_c-Y> I AM ANNOUNCING A POKEMON PORT.
03:20 < i_c-Y> It is written in ASM.
03:20 < i_c-Y> Do NOT use tifreak8x 's under any circumstances
03:20 < i_c-Y> because he has some alleged poor code
03:20 < TheStorm> lulz
03:20 < tifreak8x> really? going to make a Diamond/Pearl port? =p
03:20 < tifreak8x> lol
03:20 < i_c-Y> and by ASM i mean I'm really taking his code and changing a few things
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03:20  * tifreak8x hugs i_c-Y
03:20 < tifreak8x> =p
03:21 < i_c-Y> also, I REFUSE to update it for atleast a HALF DECADE.
03:21 < tifreak8x> o.O
03:21 < i_c-Y> if ANYBODY asks for a MOVTIVE, it is NOT PMS. i repeat, NOT PMS.
03:21 < tifreak8x> PMS = periodic mounting season..
03:22 < i_c-Y> i STRONGLY reccomend not to use tifreak8x 's port!
03:22 < i_c-Y> thank you, this has been a test of the emergency KEVIN KOFLER system!
03:23 < Damakaru> "It is inferior to my perfect code, written by my perfect self!"
03:23 < i_c-Y> well, in all honesty, if it was written by someone else, it probably is.
03:24 < Damakaru> In whose eyes
03:24 < Damakaru> ?
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03:24 < Damakaru> * who's
03:24 < tifreak8x> bob, from accounting
03:24 < Merthsoft> In who is eyes?
03:24 < Merthsoft> no no, bad correction there Damakaru 
03:24 < Damakaru> Whoops.
03:27  * _Auron_ somehow read those 3 lines as one
03:28 < Damakaru> Maybe I type so good, my mind has to make corrections for me to occasionally type bad, now.  :P
03:28 < Damakaru> </yeah_right>
03:28 <@_Auron_> no
03:32 < Damakaru> Hmm... maybe having a roommate will not be so bad, after all.  Hell, he's not even around most of the time, anyway.  :P
03:39 < Barrett> impoll.net is back...
03:39 < sir_lewk> screw all this, I'm sleeping
03:39 < tifreak8x> really? nice =D
03:39 < tifreak8x> =0
03:39  * sir_lewk angry sleeps
03:39 < tifreak8x> night sir_lewk
03:39 < sir_lewk> night
03:43 < Damakaru> *Has designed module designed to hopefully drop some things off his neighbor's shelves next time he leaves his stereo blasting at night.*
03:43 < Damakaru> * a module
03:43 < tifreak8x> must have been an old backup.. there used to be hundreds of votes on these things.. XD
03:44 < tifreak8x> I really do need a new poll though..
03:44 < Barrett> tifreak8x: yep
03:44 < Barrett> also the code itself
03:44 < Barrett> lots of it is very old
03:44 < tifreak8x> I.. uh.. noticed.. XD
03:44 < Damakaru> It's got a nice beat, too.  :P
03:44 < tifreak8x> wow
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03:46 < tifreak8x> heya patz
03:47 <@_Auron_> mm
03:47 <@_Auron_> it's like children falling from the sky, screaming and crying
03:48 <@_Auron_> not because they're falling to their death
03:48 <@_Auron_> but because everyone else below them is dying
03:49 < tifreak8x> o.O
03:50 < Damakaru> *Gets an idea for a new module from _Auron_'s description.*
03:51 <@_Auron_> This is Michael's subconcious speaking.
03:51 < Damakaru> Myers?
03:52 <@_Auron_> Idiot.
03:54 < Damakaru> *Napoleon Dynamite:*  Gah!
03:54 < i_c-Y> _Auron_'s name is michael?
03:54 < Milyardo> _Auron_: There's a emacs macro for that
03:55 < i_c-Y> well shit
03:55 < i_c-Y> theres an emacs macro for everything
03:55 <@_Auron_> i_c-Y: You don't know anything about me do you?
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03:55 < Milyardo> Ctrl+Alt+M, falllingdeathscreanwtfbbq
03:55 < i_c-Y> you're a gay texan, _Auron_ . i know that much. and you have ops here.
03:55 < i_c-Y> you're white with brown-blondish hair.
03:56 <@_Auron_> brown-blondish? lol
03:56 < Damakaru> *Insert Family Guy reference here.*
03:56 < i_c-Y> err just brown
03:56 <@_Auron_> Damakaru: Can you shut up?
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03:57 < Damakaru> *Closes attic door.*
03:57 < Damakaru> Done.
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04:04 <+sir_meta> sup :)
04:05 < millinao> hi
04:06 < tifreak8x> 'lo
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05:13 < millinao> holy crap
05:13 < millinao> http://www.peta.org/sea_kittens/book.asp
05:13 < millinao> this has to be a troll
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05:14 < Nikky> Nope.
05:14 < millinao> no
05:14 < millinao> i know trolls
05:14 < millinao> this has to be one
05:15 < millinao> or is this poe's law
05:16 < millinao> oh they're so silly
05:17 < Nikky> I love trolls.
05:19 < Damakaru> You would.
05:20 < Nikky> shush
05:20 < Nikky> You haven't been here, so you wouldn't know.
05:20 < Nikky> but I've given up trolling
05:21 < Nikky> !quoteurl
05:21 <@efneTI86> http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/
05:21 < Nikky> !qsay 1480
05:21 <@efneTI86> 1480: < prime> nikky - I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According with the people you associate with, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on. [Added Nikky at 2008/12/24 
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05:25 < millinao> i wonder if he still has that on
05:25 < millinao> or if he ever did
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05:32 < Damakaru> A "Nikky-less" channel would have gotten to him by now.  No one can survive that for long.
05:33 < millinao> yep
05:34 < millinao> tcpa without nikky is like TV without "so you want to be a fifth grader": without the shitty parts, we can not appreciate the good parts
05:34 < millinao> although i can't figure out what the good parts of this are
05:35 < millinao> so i'm assuming its me
05:42 <@_Auron_> cute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g-yrjh58ms&eurl=http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11434-robots-with-rhythm-could-rock-your-world.html
05:42 <@_Auron_> didn't know of that
05:42 < Milyardo> You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals
05:42 < Milyardo> So lets do it like they do on the discovery channel
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05:49 < millinao> what wargame should i play if i want to play one but don't want to invest 5000$ in figurines
05:53 < millinao> err, miniature wargame
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05:57 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
05:58 < Milyardo> millinao: is there something else you rather invest $5000 in?
05:58 <@_Auron_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1H4JlJcIhc&feature=related
05:58 < millinao> more like i don't have 5000$
05:59 < Milyardo> Then you options are Go and Chess
05:59 < Milyardo> *your
05:59 < millinao> haha
05:59 < Damakaru> *Grumbles.*
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06:04 < leofox> I did it you guys
06:04 < leofox> I succesfully reset my day-night rithm,
06:05 < _Digital> RAIN!
06:05 < _Digital> about damn time
06:05 < _Digital> we need somethign cool right now
06:05 < leofox> i woke up at 6Am without any troubles
06:05 < millinao> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_warship_combat
06:05 < Damakaru> "[Apple is] more protective of its branding to an extent of not allowing its computers to be depicted in movies as killing people...."  Ha, seriously?
06:05 < millinao> this is really really cool
06:06 < _Digital> leofox. I used to wake up at 1500 on a regular basis. I went to bed around 0500-0600
06:07 < leofox> _Digital thats what i did until yesterday
06:07 <@_Auron_> heh
06:07 < leofox> I woke up at 7AM, made me real tired
06:07 <@_Auron_> lately I've been waking up around 1pm
06:07 < Damakaru> leofox:  Lucky you.  I still have trouble even waking up at 9:00 AM CST.
06:07 <@_Auron_> well first 10:30am, then I go back to sleep and wake up at 1pm
06:07 < _Digital> now I have ot wake up around 1000 and I get fatigued with it
06:07 < leofox> Well I dont know how long it will last
06:08 < leofox> it was weird waking up when it was so dark
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06:12 < glk> I will dcc a text    Can you read it
06:12 < Nikky> millinao: we are full of good parts
06:12 < millinao> like what
06:12 < Nikky> wow, model warship combat
06:12 < Nikky> AWESOME
06:12 < millinao> i know right
06:12 < millinao> unless you are being sarcastic and in that case fuck you
06:12 < Damakaru> (*Groans.*  Aw, man, he's back. :/)
06:13 < Damakaru> *Wishes he could afford an apartment.*
06:14 < Nikky> What's wrong with a roommate?
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06:15 < Damakaru> I like being to myself.  I've been that way every since I can remember.  Don't really plan on changing that anytime soon.
06:16 < Nikky> You'll get used to it.
06:17  * _Digital waits for new version of WINE to hurry its ass up and compile
06:17 < Nikky> hah
06:17 < Nikky> what are you emulating?
06:17  * Nikky waits for wine is not an emulator speech
06:18 < millinao> Wine is not an emulator
06:18 < Damakaru> ^
06:18 < millinao> i seriously started typing that before you said that
06:18 < _Digital> technically not emulation, but I use it for Bryce and I might be using it for CS2
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06:18 < Nikky> it works well for CS2
06:18 < Damakaru> If it was not for OpenMPT, I would not even need Wine.
06:18 < Nikky> that's what I use for linux graphics
06:19 < Damakaru> (Or until I can buy Renoise.)
06:20 < Nikky> renoise?
06:20 < _Digital> google
06:20 < _Digital> http://www.renoise.com/
06:20 < Damakaru> A module tracker-based music composition program for Windows/Linux.
06:22 < _Digital> scrubs got recorded
06:22 < _Digital> but with some significant corruption
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06:29 < millinao> hahaha
06:29 < _Digital> he has broken tubes
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06:30 < _Digital> Spengo, you broken?
06:30 < Spengo> yes
06:31 < _Digital> how broken?
06:31 <+prime_> When I installed Linux it asked me for my credit card number. Two days later I got a call from Wachovia asking me if I had purchased $900 worth of Totino's pizza rolls and Mountain Dew (I hadn't). Let this be a warning to all of you out there in the Internet.
06:31 < Nikky> k
06:31 < _Digital> prime_, if that was you, you deserve it
06:31 <+prime_> why?
06:32 < _Digital> whoever was installing linux and they put in their credit card number I'd call vreally stupid
06:32 < Nikky> I did that
06:32 < _Digital> you're stupid
06:32 <+prime_> ah, that isn't how you phrased it
06:34 < pyromania> gotta have coding supplies man
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06:34 < Nikky> who was pyromania?
06:35 <@E-J> some maniac
06:35 <@E-J> we should ban him
06:35 < _Digital> he likes fire though
06:35 < pyromania> i would suggest it actually
06:35 < _Digital> and why is that
06:35 < _Digital> my car is getting a free wash right now :D
06:36 <@E-J> it's raining?
06:36 <+prime_> sounds like one of those nigerian car scams
06:36 < _Digital> yup, and it is about time it did
06:37 < millinao> i'm such a pro at pankiller
06:37 <+prime_> where the heck are you that it is raining and not snowing?
06:37 <@E-J> millinao is making his own drugs?
06:37 < millinao> ya
06:37 <+prime_> duh
06:38 <@E-J> !topic Welcome to TCPA | http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2736 | Yesterday!
06:38 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to TCPA | http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2736 | Yesterday!
06:38 < millinao> haha
06:38 < Milyardo> Yesterday!
06:38 <+prime_> millinao is only one letter away from pillinao which you can cut off to pill
06:38 < millinao> that is the worst reasoning i think i have ever heard
06:38 < millinao> i like it
06:39 <@E-J> from fb: "Josh Gancher ja Ilkka Järstä ovat nyt The Fresh Prince of Bel Airin faneja."
06:39 < leofox> i had this weird dream
06:40 < leofox> Me, a friend and my sister took some weird pill
06:40 <+Netham45> is your sister hot?
06:40 < leofox> it had the immediate effect that we were stoned like a shrimp
06:40 <+Netham45> because that'd make it more intresting.
06:40 < leofox> in a way that was kind of like shrooms and weed combined
06:40 < leofox> people tell me she is Netham45
06:41 < leofox> anyway it went totally wrong
06:41 <+Netham45> pics? :)
06:41 <@E-J> i don't think anyone can judge his own sister
06:41 <+Netham45> :P
06:41 < leofox> like suddenly we had a dog
06:41 < leofox> and he started biting us because he didnt understand our behaviour
06:42 < leofox> my mom started to yell because we did drugs
06:42 < millinao> haha E-J
06:42 <+Netham45> E-J, I think they could, it's just 'taboo'.
06:42 < leofox> it ended with me sitting on a couch not knowing where my sister was while the dog was chewing on my hand
06:42 <@chronomex> sounds awesome
06:42 <+prime_> sounds like everyday of my life
06:43 < leofox> well drugs always have the effect on me
06:43 < leofox> that I end up sitting on a couch not knowing what happened
06:44 < leofox> not wanting to move
06:45 <+prime_> i dont think you are doing them right
06:45 <+prime_> you should be sitting in a pool of your own blood, not being able to move because the sedative hasnt worn off yet
06:46 < leofox> my dream was so weird
06:46 < leofox> I was like
06:46 < leofox> where is my sister
06:46 < leofox> is she OK
06:46 < leofox> it was pretty obvious that she wasnt
06:48 <+prime_> ive had some pretty weird dreams lately
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06:49 <+prime_> just off the wall type of things happening
06:49  * Netham45 is away: Sleep
06:49 <+Netham45> son of a bitch, how'd that get turned on...
06:50 < Damakaru> *Has been on/off-sleeping though the nights, waking with rapid heartbeat.*
06:50 <+prime_> uh ohh, that's a ban
06:50 < _Digital> !k Netham45 go to bed
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06:50 < _Digital> someone kick for auto rejion
06:50 <+prime_> _Digital is taking irc seriously
06:50 < _Digital> no
06:50 < _Digital> I just want an excuse
06:50 < Damakaru> What'd he even do?
06:51 < _Digital> he's our kick-toy
06:51 <+Netham45> that's ox40, didn't you get the memo?
06:51 < _Digital> no
06:51 <+Netham45> fail.
06:51 <@E-J> Damakaru: he put the public away on accidentally
06:52 < leofox> hehe faal
06:52 < _Digital> bl, food time
06:52 < _Digital> bbl*
06:52 < leofox> http://www.cafepress.com/detourdesign.237198493
06:52 < _Digital> plus I want to driv eon oil-slicked, wet roads
06:52 < leofox> SUIT UP TED
06:53 <+Netham45> wtf I close a steam window and it randomally starts gmod...
06:54 < Damakaru> s:al::
06:57 < _Digital> #tcpa, invasion of regex
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07:00 < Damakaru> Damn.   I gotta start using Aria as my download manager.
07:01 < Damakaru> I hit seven and a half megabytes a second.
07:02 <@E-J> are you sure it wasn't errorous peek?
07:02 < Damakaru> It stayed there for quite a while, then it went to six, than to four, than the download was finished.
07:05 < Damakaru> *Imagines being able to download stuff at USB 2.0 speeds.*
07:09 < Damakaru> (Or, even better, the whole gigabit. :P)
07:10 <@E-J> well, maybe i go to play that game
07:12 < Damakaru> *Goes away to sleep before Mr. Boom starts up his stereo again.*
07:13 < _Digital> Damakaru, just use /me to appear to look like you know how to use irc
07:14 <+prime_> srsly
07:15 <+prime_> you wouldn't want to violate the irc consortium's standards with an invalid markup
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07:17 < pyromania> cant those chinks just buy it from the factory in taiwan
07:18 < pyromania> aww theres no .co.uk
07:20 < pyromania> waaay too many windows open right now
07:21 < glk> I have the time
07:23 <@chronomex> pyromania: .... irc.co.uk?
07:24 < pyromania> no i was talking on another network about how china has their own newegg
07:24 < pyromania> tabbed to firefox and when i came back it switched windows on me
07:24 <@chronomex> oh
07:29 < leofox> I can sometimes download at the full 100 mbit
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07:53 < Damakaru> *Grumbles* Fuck.
07:54 < Damakaru> The one night that it is quiet would be the one night I can't sleep.
07:56 <@chronomex> hah :D
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08:06 < Damakaru> On a note, I should probably worry if I keep waking up to a pounding heart,,,
08:23 < Damakaru> How many nested posts does Ticalc.org's forum software allow one to make?  I see one on there that looks like it's about to cram up into a single-character wall if it continues.
08:24 < Milyardo> 255
08:24 < Milyardo> I've already tested that
08:24 < Milyardo> years ago
08:24 < Damakaru> Yeesh.
08:31 < Damakaru> *Goes off to try to sleep again.*
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09:08 < leofox> haha kkofler is being a douche
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10:53 <@E-J> and back from game, eating and shopping
11:01 <@E-J> nicolas: in finland average wage for M.Sc. (Techn) was last year 4772 euros per month
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11:02 <@E-J> start wage is 3134 euros per month
11:02 < nicolas> E-J: i definitely should come there!
11:02 < nicolas> it would be a good improvement over my situation
11:02 < nicolas> got any good places I could apply to ?
11:03 <@E-J> nokia was hiring some linux+c -programmers some days ago
11:04 <@benryves> Heya E-J, nicolas
11:05 <@E-J> heya benD
11:05 <@benryves> E-J: Hah, I should never have mentioned it. :P
11:16 < nicolas> hey ben
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11:16 <@efneTI92> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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11:55 <@E-J> http://koti.mbnet.fi/elianora/time-breakdown-modern-web-design.png
12:00 <@benryves> E-J: Heh, three years old, I guess you could reduce the yellow bit these days.
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12:12 <@E-J> benryves: and increase violet?
12:13 <@E-J> http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=timebreakdownmodernwebdri2.jpg
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12:17 <@benryves> Haha :D
12:21 <@E-J> http://www.lintukoto.net/lintukoto/webcam/ hmmm, that other picture is same place year ago
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14:18 < ports-> hi
14:18 <@benryves> Heya ports-
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14:24 <+mtgrss111> yo!
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14:24 <@efneTI92> [sir_lewk] http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95  I have much DATA in VELOCIRAPTORS AND PHILOSOPH
14:24 < sir_lewk> sup #tcpa?
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14:24 <+mtgrss111> sup, sir_lewk?
14:25 <@benryves> Hi mtgrss111, sir_lewk
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14:25 < sir_lewk> sup krisk mtgrss111 benryves
14:25 <+mtgrss111> sup krisk :)
14:25 <+mtgrss111> sup, benryves
14:25 <+krisk> lo sir_lewk mtgrss111 benryves
14:25 < sir_lewk> sup *?
14:25 < sir_lewk> ;)
14:25 <+mtgrss111> wow, everyone just got on all of a sudden o_O lol
14:26 < ports-> hrm
14:26 <+mtgrss111> sup ports-
14:26 < sir_lewk> yerp
14:26 < sir_lewk> sup ports-babe
14:26 < ports-> have you people noticed that if you buy 2 cotton shirts of the same material/style. like polos but of different colors..  they shrink differently?
14:26 <+mtgrss111> im only on because i felt terrible and stayed home from school :/
14:26 <@benryves> Heya krisk
14:27 <@benryves> 'lo ports-, and no, can't say I have, but then I've never shrunk my shirts.
14:27 <+mtgrss111> ports-: no, your gonna have to tell me about that
14:27 < sir_lewk> ports-: perhaps the dyeing process involved different tempuratures so they shrunk different to start
14:27 <+mtgrss111> lol sir_lewk stop sounding mart :P
14:27 < sir_lewk> or multiple dyes or something
14:27 <+mtgrss111> *smart >_>
14:27  * sir_lewk brainkicks mtgrss111
14:28  * mtgrss111 brainfarts
14:28 < sir_lewk> lawdy
14:35 < ports-> idiots
14:36 <+mtgrss111> I'll grant that I'm one.
14:36 < ports-> i kind of miss my wisdom teeth
14:36 < ports-> because mine were fully exposed in the back.. so they were actually useful for chewing
14:36 <@benryves> You are no longer wise, ports-?
14:36 < ports-> benryves:  3rd molars
14:36 <@benryves> I know what wisdom teeth are. :)
14:37 < sir_lewk> mine were never going to come in apparently
14:37 <@benryves> I had my premolars out years ago so hopefully don't have to have my wisdom teeth removed.
14:37 < sir_lewk> being that my body is of a more modernized make and all ;P
14:38 < ports-> sir_lewk:  you mean youre young
14:38 < sir_lewk> nah, apparently all people used to get wisdom teeth and be fine
14:39 < sir_lewk> jaw and skull structure are adapting over time and lots of people can no longer fit the extra teeth in
14:39 < sir_lewk> neanderthal skull :P
14:39 <@benryves> Hehe
14:40 < sir_lewk> nah, I hate having mine out, now I have scartissue/holes back there
14:40 <+mtgrss111> geez, i hope thats one operation i'll never need o_O
14:40 < sir_lewk> it's healed and stuff, just feels different now though
14:41 < sir_lewk> heh, it's not really that bad mtgrss111
14:41 < sir_lewk> if you get general at least
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14:52 <+mtgrss111> lol
14:52 <+mtgrss111> !qsay 1504
14:52 <@efneTI86> 1504: is the White House gonna be renamed when Obama moves in? [Added _Digital at 2009/01/16 16:35]
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15:00 <+krisk> hehe
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15:26 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by SnowCrash
15:29 < sir_lewk> from the manpage of awesome:
15:29 < sir_lewk> BUGS
15:29 < sir_lewk>        Of course there´s no bug in awesome. But there may be unexpected behaviours.
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15:30 <@efneTI92> [Netham46] Narf!
15:30 <+krisk> *n*x has awesome?
15:31 < sir_lewk> sure
15:31 < sir_lewk> http://awesome.naquadah.org/
15:32 <+krisk> why is awesome and "LEGEN- wait for it.. DARY" associated with anything software development? : (
15:33 < mokomull> This is great.
15:33 <@Andy_J> naquadah lol
15:33 < mokomull> One of the classes I'm in is scheduled in the same room at the same time as another class.
15:34 <@Andy_J> wut
15:34 <+krisk> sounds like poorly configured database tables : )
15:36 < ports-> lol
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15:36 <@E-J> heh
15:37 <+krisk> http://www.cbs.com/primetime/how_i_met_your_mother/community/barney_blog/index.php
15:38 <@E-J> btw, in helsinki university, at UI course, they use Second Life as one of the study enviroment
15:38 < i_c-Y> lolz
15:38 < mokomull> Yeah I get there and there are like 80 people in a 70-person room and I was just like "wtf...?
15:38 < i_c-Y> haha.
15:38 < mokomull> Especially since our lecture is supposed to be 3 16-person sections ...
15:39 < mokomull> and I just checked the registrar's website and yes that's the way it is
15:39 <+krisk> hehe we have it with tests sometimes, 2 different tests in the same room but that's not unhandy
15:39 < mokomull> Yeah, this is two lectures :)
15:39 <+krisk> yeah i dont see that working too well
15:40 <@E-J> mostly we have 3 or more exams at same room
15:40 <@E-J> if it's not basic course
15:41 <+krisk> our rooms are too small for more than 2 :P
15:41 <@E-J> ah
15:42 <@E-J> btw, which is easiest way to get old glue off from plastic
15:42 < sir_lewk> 2nd life is soo 2003
15:42  * E-J is changing grips to his floorball sticks
15:42 < sir_lewk> or 2005 probably
15:43 <@E-J> 14 years same grips and now they were in bad shape enough
15:44 < i_c-Y> a knife
15:44 < i_c-Y> putty knife
15:44 < i_c-Y> soap and maybe mineral spirits
15:44 < i_c-Y> and / or
15:45 <@benryves> E-J: Methylated/white spirit
15:46 < i_c-Y> http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/20/ipod-touch-mounted-on-m110-sniper-rifle/ i cant decide if thats awesome or not
15:46 <@E-J> maybe i try first just hot water
15:46 <@E-J> no alcohol here
15:46 < i_c-Y> mineral spirits are cheap
15:46 < i_c-Y> like 2 or 3 dollars for a gallon and half
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15:52 < ports-> i_c-Y:  not
15:53 < i_c-Y> ?
15:56 < Nikky> not cool
15:56 < Nikky> because guns are lame
15:56 <@benryves> Agreed on both counts.
15:59 < sir_lewk> Nikky is a carebear
15:59 <+krisk> not awesome and i hope the military would use something a billion times superior to the ifailtouch
16:00 <@benryves> The UK and US military use Xbox 360 controllers. :)
16:02 <+krisk> yeah. its wierd because you would expect them to use something with the same design maybe but a lot more sturdy and fail proof
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16:03 <@Andy_J> 360 controllers are pretty sturdy
16:03 <@benryves> On the other hand, that would require lots of investment in product development - whereas the off-the-shelf controller has already had that done and is being tested by millions of gamers.
16:04  * benryves wonders why MySQL appears to be allergic to right double quotes. :|
16:04 <+krisk> i guess its enough for the few remote controlled vehicles or whatever
16:05 <+krisk> wouldnt want an ifailtouch as an important asset in your basic sniper kit though
16:05 < Nikky> I love Microsoft.
16:05 < Nikky> So much better than those retards at Apple.
16:05 <+krisk> yes
16:05 < Nikky> Who stick shitty software and quality engineering in a shiny overpriced package.
16:05 <+krisk> and they should do their calculations in their head anyway
16:06 <+krisk> quality engineering?
16:06 < Nikky> Yeah
16:06 < Nikky> I meant bad quality
16:06 <+krisk> oh
16:06 < Nikky> but "bad" got lost somewhere
16:07 < Nikky> Unfortunately Microsoft can't afford to crush Apple. :((
16:07 <@benryves> The Xbox 360 itself is hardly known for good quality engineering. :P
16:07 < Nikky> That's a value added feature.
16:07 <+krisk> value for microsoft yes
16:07 < Nikky> At least it doesn't blow up or dispel toxic gases.
16:07 < Nikky> Apple products are known to do that.
16:07 <+krisk> actually that would make that controller a lot better for the army
16:07 <@benryves> Nikky: The Dell/Sony laptop battery fiasco?
16:08 < Nikky> Maybe.
16:08 < Nikky> But other major incidents as well.
16:08 <@benryves> Oh, yes, I remember.
16:08 <@benryves> That - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/01/leberation_claims_mac_pros_emit_toxic_fumes/
16:08 < sir_lewk> oh shush Nikky
16:09 < sir_lewk> your panties are all twisted up at apple because greenpeace tells you to hate them
16:09 < Nikky> False.
16:09 < Nikky> Although that is part of it.
16:09 <+krisk> dont we hate greenpeace as well?
16:09 < Nikky> No.
16:09 < sir_lewk> and they have as much admitted that they only go after apple because it gets them press, not because they are particularly bad
16:09 < Nikky> JUST FUCKIN' STOP
16:09 < Nikky> JUST FUCKIN' STOP
16:09 <+krisk> but theyre dropping concrete blocks on our pretty seacreatures
16:10 < sir_lewk> krisk: yes, greenpeace is a bunch of masterbating hypocrites
16:10 <+krisk> what is apple doing wrong according to greenpeace?
16:10 < sir_lewk> bad enviromental record or whatever
16:10 < sir_lewk> basically just not releasing stats when greenpeace demands them
16:11 < Nikky> Shut up.
16:11 < sir_lewk> greenpeace is just a bunch of ecoterrorists, I hope obama throws them in gitmo
16:11 < Nikky> Apple is still evil.
16:11 < Nikky> No, we must close Gitmo!
16:11 <@benryves> Microsoft are the evil ones, according to the EU.
16:11 < Nikky> !!!
16:11 <+krisk> of course it is
16:11 < Nikky> benryves: the EU hates everyone who isn't from Europe.
16:11 < Nikky> Example: Boeing
16:11 <+krisk> Boeing is awesome
16:12 <@benryves> Nikky: There's another antitrust thing kicking off here (again).
16:12 < Nikky> I know.
16:12 < sir_lewk> the EU hates microsoft because they are big, where apple the same size they'd hate them even more
16:12 < Nikky> Who cares.
16:12 < Nikky> You wonder why nobody likes the EU.
16:12 < sir_lewk> I don't give a shit about the EU
16:13 < sir_lewk> seeing as I'm not in europe...
16:13 <@Andy_J> No, I don't wonder that, Nikky.
16:14 < sir_lewk> if I *was* in europe I would dislike the EU because they come off as a bunch of nosy nannystate politicians
16:15 <+krisk> im from eu and hate apple, even the ipod stuff, and like microsoft dont hate me : (
16:15 < sir_lewk> perhaps if I lived in europe I'd have a different point of view though
16:24 < sir_lewk> aaaaanyways
16:24 < sir_lewk> anyone working on something cool?
16:25 < ports-> sir_lewk:  i just farted
16:25 <+krisk> myself
16:25 < ports-> i think microsoft should stop selling windows in the EU
16:25 < ports-> thatd be really funny
16:26 < ports-> because the EU keeps fucking with them on antitrust stuff
16:26 < sir_lewk> lol, that it would be.  might help out linux a bit
16:26 < ports-> not at all
16:26 < sir_lewk> though I'm opposed to shoving linux down people's throats
16:26 < ports-> in 2 weeks the EU would beg MS to come back
16:26 <@benryves> ports-: Opera should stop being dickheads, basically.
16:26 < sir_lewk> krisk: whatcha working on?
16:26 < Nikky> I love opera
16:26 < ports-> heres my question
16:27 <+krisk> sir_lewk: the cool thing im working on is myself
16:27 < ports-> if Windows doesnt come bundled with a browser
16:27 <@benryves> Nikky: I love the product. I don't like the company.
16:27 < sir_lewk> if MS didn't ship windows with IE, who could people (realistically) download Opera?
16:27 < Nikky> I liove the company
16:27 < Nikky> all hail opera
16:27 < ports-> how do you get online?
16:27 < ports-> sir_lewk:  you bitc
16:27 < sir_lewk> hmm?
16:27 < ports-> opera doesnt really distribute on cds
16:27 < ports-> neither does firefox
16:27 <@benryves> Opera should be badgering the OEMs, anyway. This is not relevant to Microsoft.
16:27 < ports-> IE and Netscape used to come on floppies and cds
16:27 < sir_lewk> no
16:27 < ports-> so how far back would that set us? 10 years?
16:27 < sir_lewk> OEMs stick enough shit on preinstalls
16:28 < ports-> sir_lewk:  preinstalls are a different story
16:28 < ports-> and still.. OEM's use Internet Explorer
16:28 <@E-J> [18:23:51]  <matti_> Cthulhu(); // the call of Cthulhu
16:28 <+krisk> doesnt the Windows+IE issue originate from US trials?
16:28 < sir_lewk> and rightfully so, that's on there by default
16:28 <@benryves> E-J: Pfft. :D
16:28 < sir_lewk> bloatware is bloatware, despite the best of intentions
16:29 < sir_lewk> krisk: I think that was just windows+WMP
16:29 < sir_lewk> lol E-J
16:29 <@Andy_J> no, IE was part of it
16:30 <+krisk> wait where do those people come off whining about bulding anyway? os x and linux distros come with everything and a lot more than windows
16:30 <+krisk> *bundling
16:30 <@Andy_J> krisk: You can easily get rid of stuff on those.
16:30 <@Andy_J> You can't easily get rid of WMP and IE on Windows.
16:30 <@benryves> krisk: They're not as big as Microsoft.
16:30 < Nikky> go after apple then
16:30 <@E-J> Andy_J: you can hide them
16:30 <@Andy_J> If I don't want Safari, I just drag Safari into the Trash and that's it.
16:30 <+krisk> true and it would be nice if wmp and ie could be removed
16:31 <@E-J> evil triangle apple - itunes - quicktime
16:31 < Nikky> ^
16:31 <+krisk> but i only from a minimalist pro user who uses better stuff anyway point of view, not any laws
16:31 <@benryves> The bit of IE that's integrated into the system is the HTML renderer, so there is nothing really stopping MS from removing IE.
16:31 <@Andy_J> Can still get rid of those (at least the UI. You can't get rid of the QuickTime library because that's kind of important....)
16:31 <+krisk> +1 for E-J
16:32 <@Andy_J> well I guess you can dump QTKit too
16:32 <@Andy_J> but then shit starts breaking all over
16:32 <+krisk> you can remove wmp though cant you
16:32 <@Andy_J> It's not like windows where it won't even let you
16:32 <@benryves> That said, even if you did remove the actual web browser bit of IE lots of stupid apps that are hard-coded to use IE would fall over.
16:32 < Nikky> nobody care
16:32 < Nikky> there's no difference in the end
16:32 <+krisk> well if it breaks the os it shouldnt let you do it
16:32 < Nikky> apple lets you remove it and your system crashes
16:32 < Nikky> microsoft doesn't let your system crash
16:32 < Nikky> big fat difference
16:32 <@Andy_J> and Linux distros aren't for-profit anyway so you can't really get them for monopolizing
16:33 <@Andy_J> Nikky: I never said the system will crash.
16:33 <@Andy_J> Just that stuff (read: applications) will break
16:33 < Nikky> nobdoy cares
16:33 <@Andy_J> and microsoft has their fair share of that problem too
16:33 < Nikky> we don't listen to apple users
16:33 <+krisk> benryves: yeah like live messenger opens hotmail in IE. though mine is broken and launches an empty ie window and the opens live mail with firefox O_o
16:33 < Nikky> their opinions are useless
16:33 <@Andy_J> You're doing an exceptionally bad job of trolling today.
16:33 <+krisk> haha
16:33 < Nikky> shut up fanboy
16:34 < Nikky> it's not our fault you dumped 1.5k down the wrong company
16:34 < Nikky> so you have to act all "zomg apple is wonderful" on us
16:34 <@Andy_J> Right, I'm the fanboy with Vista and Windows 7 being what I'm using right this moment...
16:34 < Nikky> yeah,. you sure aren't
16:34 < Nikky> way to lie
16:34 < Nikky> pitiful
16:34 <@benryves> krisk: Heh, my problem is that most modern MS software (finally!) opens links in your default browser. This is a problem when Help->Check for Updates uses Windows Update (IE only) or you're trying to debug a web app by hooking into IIS+IE.
16:35 <@benryves> That said, I really wonder how software manages to run IE, as that's much more work than just opening a link in the default browser.
16:35 <@Andy_J> how can I make a fair assessment of win7 if I don't use it extensively? :)
16:36 <@Andy_J> benryves: They also assume everything ever is on C:
16:36 < sir_lewk> Andy_J: screw fair, just spread FUD like the rest of us
16:36 < sir_lewk> ;P
16:36 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: win7 >>>>>>>> vista
16:36 <@Andy_J> granted it's got the same shit under the hood
16:36 <@Andy_J> but the UI is so much better
16:37 <@benryves> Andy_J: So, some sort of Shell("C:/Program Files/Internet Explorer/iexplore.exe http://example.com/"); instead of Shell("http://example.com/"); ? Stupid. :P
16:37 <@Andy_J> I can actually stand using it since it has a dock now :p
16:37 <@Andy_J> benryves: probably
16:37 <@benryves> Beggars belief. :\ Oh well.
16:37 <+krisk> benryves: yup they actually have to hardcode it in there  Andy_J: i have yet to run into an app that assumes c: and i would know because my c:\ is hidden and only has the page file on it, windows is on d:
16:37 <@Andy_J> Some game update patches epically fail if the game isn't in the default install directory
16:38 <@Andy_J> why even let you choose where to install it if the patcher assumes where it is?!
16:38 <@benryves> Andy_J: As is evidenced by the junction point Documents and Settings under Vista. :(
16:38 <@E-J> krisk: some programs think that cd driver is d
16:38 <@E-J> for me it's i
16:38 <@Andy_J> and then there are programs that default to install outside of program files
16:38 <@Andy_J> I would assume to get around the fact that only admins can write to program files
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16:38 <@Andy_J> but that is not an excuse
16:39 <@benryves> Andy_J: And that's "Program Files", as everyone uses a US English installation of Windows of course.
16:39 <@Andy_J> and then they break if you make them install into program files
16:39 <+krisk> i find that in windows xp all aps use the set paths for my documents or program files, which should be correct unless you broke windows
16:39 <@E-J> in finnish xp it's "Ohjelmatiedostot"
16:39 <@Andy_J> krisk: they're still supposed to ask the shell where those locations are
16:39 <+krisk> which they do
16:39 <@Andy_J> for, as benryves mentioned, localization
16:39 <+krisk> and that works
16:39 <+krisk> at least for as far as ive seen
16:40 <@Andy_J> I've seen plenty of broken apps.
16:40 <@Andy_J> And plain retarded apps.
16:40 <+krisk> my default program install point is e:\, program files is on d:\program files my docs is on x:\
16:40 <@Andy_J> Steam isn't entirely excused since it still writes to program files ... but at least they use a service and don't require you to run it as an admin all the time
16:40 <@benryves> I also wish apps would stop putting their settings in My Documents/Documents.
16:40 <+krisk> but steam is fail for many other reasons :P
16:40 <@Andy_J> steam doesn't fail :p
16:41 <@benryves> (As opposed to AppData, I'm stick of apps constantly creating silly "My Games" directories).
16:41 <+krisk> benryves: oh yeah, half my games have a .bat now that moves the folders around on start/exit
16:41  * tifreak cautiously waves
16:41 < tifreak> 'lo gents..
16:41 <@benryves> 'lo tifreak, come join the rant against crappy software.
16:41 <+krisk> start red alert and it first moves the folder back into my docs, then when red alert closed it moves it to the red alert install dir
16:41 < tifreak> lol
16:41 < sir_lewk> and people say linux is complicated...
16:42 < tifreak> what software are we ranting about? =p
16:42 <@Andy_J> it is
16:42 <@Andy_J> it just dump EVERYTHING into your home folder
16:42 <@benryves> krisk: Mm, settings shouldn't go in program files.
16:42 <@Andy_J> and expects you to like it
16:42 < sir_lewk> yeah, nice and simple
16:42 <@E-J> c and d are hdds, e,f,g and h are memory card reader, i is dvd writer, j is virtual dvd and y and z are nas drives
16:42 < sir_lewk> configs go in dotfiles, everything else you organize how *YOU* want
16:42 < sir_lewk> what could be simpler?
16:42 <@Andy_J> The dotfiles shouldn't be directly in ~
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16:43 < sir_lewk> I don't see why not
16:43 <@Andy_J> that or they should try to mandate ~/documents or something
16:43 <@Andy_J> it's just messy
16:43 <+krisk> ~ should be kept virtually empty apart from what you put there intentionally imho
16:43 <@benryves> sir_lewk: The problem is that Windows started with a rather sloppy approach and though they've finally started fixing it lots of apps still don't honour these changes.
16:43 <@Andy_J> I love how the "My Documents" shortcut in ~ on vista is "access denied"
16:43 < sir_lewk> I have my own ~/files  it's not that hard to make a directory yourself
16:44 <+krisk> benryves: you want configs save games and screenshots in the docs and settings user dir?
16:44 < sir_lewk> benryves: yup.  imho they should drop backwards compatibility with *everything* and tell people to go screw themselves if they don't like it
16:44 <@Andy_J> krisk: they go in appdata.
16:44 <@benryves> krisk: Yes.
16:44 < sir_lewk> people would keep using windows even if they did that
16:44 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: and that is precisely why they will never do that
16:44 <@benryves> sir_lewk: That's what they started doing with Vista, and look how many people cried.
16:45 <@Andy_J> they *can't* break backwards compatibility
16:45 <+krisk> i hate that, too far away from where the aps and games are installed for me
16:45 < sir_lewk> yeah, but what choice do people have?  switch to linux?
16:45 < sir_lewk> a few will but it's pretty insignificant
16:45 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: there are a lot of business-essential apps that companies use that they no longer have the source code for
16:45 <@Andy_J> and shit like that
16:45 <@Andy_J> you can't just break EVERYTHING
16:45 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Microsoft seem keen to go down the "virtualisation for backwards compatibility" route.
16:45 <@Andy_J> because then people will never upgrade their OS
16:45 <@Andy_J> and have security holesforever
16:46 <+krisk> i dont see a better solution than virtualisation
16:46 < sir_lewk> so what, if people arn't paying for your product anymore, who cares what happens to them?
16:46 <@Andy_J> They do need to do the virtualization
16:46 <@Andy_J> that's how Apple did it with Classic, and it worked well enoguh
16:46 < sir_lewk> yeah, but classic was never as bad as the older windows
16:47 <+krisk> sir_lewk:  the people who's business and income depends on that product care
16:47 < sir_lewk> krisk: but microsoft shouldn't care if they care
16:47 <+krisk> microsoft should if they want their business
16:47 < sir_lewk> I don't really see why they do, unless we suppose that they really do have a good heart
16:47 <@Andy_J> http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/03/01/82103.aspx
16:47 <@Andy_J> ^ read that
16:47 < sir_lewk> I'm arguing that microsoft has an assured place in the market, nomatter what they do
16:48 <+krisk> they'd lose a lot of business if they werent backwards compatible in any way whatsoever
16:48 <@E-J> http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/01/21/how-to-stump-anti-abortionists-with-one-question/
16:48 < sir_lewk> they could probably package a dead baby with each copy of win7 and it'd still outsell macs and linux
16:49 < sir_lewk> it would be rough for the first release or two, but in the long run it'd be for the best
16:49 <+krisk> thats more because macs are horrible and linux is too awesome for casuals
16:49 <+krisk> but theyd lose a good number of business
16:49 < sir_lewk> or is windows going to have backwards compatibility with versions that are 3 decades old?
16:49 <+krisk> and microsoft being as big as they are i kinda think they know their business engineering better than you do ; )
16:49 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: it HAS TO HAVE that compatibility
16:49 <@Andy_J> Read the blog post I linked.
16:50 <@Andy_J> And stfu until you do.
16:50 < nicolas> eh, yeah, I have doing "ls -la" and having a super long list of dotfile/dotdirs in my home
16:51 < nicolas> I like the way OS X has it organized
16:51 <@Andy_J> ^
16:51 < nicolas> have = hate*
16:51 < sir_lewk> yeah, I just read it
16:51 < sir_lewk> we obviously have a differing definition of "have to"
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16:51 < tifreak> so, benryves, how have you been doing? =p
16:51 <@benryves> Microsoft are in a bit of a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't position; maybe you remembered the furore over X-UA-Compatible in IE 8.
16:52 <@benryves> tifreak: Pretty busy, yourself?
16:52 < sir_lewk> microsoft is big enough that they could tell everyone to go fuck themselves and they'd still be fine
16:52 < tifreak> amazingly happy at the moment
16:52 < tifreak> I just got a timing belt put on a car that takes 2 people to normally do it.. all by my lonesome =D
16:53 <@benryves> Ah, good work. :D
16:53 < tifreak> and have been kinda busy.. hopefully this paycheck on saturday reflects it well enough.. ^^
16:53 <+krisk> sir_lewk: haha no
16:53 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Except it isn't. You can't have missed Vista.
16:53 < sir_lewk> indeed I haven't
16:53 < sir_lewk> they seem to be still kicking though
16:53 < sir_lewk> I'm not saying it wouldn't be a bitch at first
16:54 < nicolas> sir_lewk: sure, but as  you noticed with vista, it was a bitch at first and 90% of the people went back to XP
16:54 <+krisk> it would hurt them big time
16:54 <+krisk> you dont think theyll survive on desktop users alone do you
16:54 < sir_lewk> all microsoft has to do is wait those people out
16:54 < sir_lewk> they can run on fumes a lot longer than people can use the same computer
16:55 <+krisk> its not about home users with windows x os
16:55 < sir_lewk> no shit
16:55 <+krisk> its the gazillions of businesses from tiny to microsoft hueg that will ditch their products if they dont work in their environment
16:56 < sir_lewk> ditch for what?
16:56 <+krisk> ditch for what they already have
16:56 < sir_lewk> they can't use the same computer for 30 years
16:56 <+krisk> yes they can
16:56 < sir_lewk> I disagree
16:57 < tifreak> lol, I still use a 500Mhz compaq laptop for paperwork at my shop.. =p
16:57 <+krisk> the problem is actually that a lot of critical systems are that old and simply will not be replaced
16:57 < tifreak> it is running win2k
16:58 <+krisk> so as soon as windows doesnt support working with those legacy systems any more its not gonna sell anywhere near enough
16:58 < sir_lewk> all microsoft has to do is turn off their activation servers for old shit, push the new shit into schools (like they have been doing since forever), and let the old computers go the way of COBOL
16:58 < sir_lewk> sure there is still some legacy shit out there on COBOL, but who cares
16:58 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Wait for someone to write a .NET compiler for them? :P
16:58 <+krisk> and their stocks down the drain with it
16:59 <+krisk> there really are a lot more legacy systems out there than you think
16:59 < sir_lewk> mmhm
16:59 <@benryves> Heh, I'm still reliant on 16-bit apps. :P
16:59 <+krisk> take any company and theres a good bet its still relying on some old system somewhere in its environment
16:59 < sir_lewk> I don't argue it
17:01 <+krisk> i dont think microsoft would survive it right now
17:02 < nicolas> yeah, prolly not the righttime to take any too big financial risks
17:02 < sir_lewk> I don't think linux is ready or apple willing, to replace microsoft
17:02 <+krisk> they dont have to replace microsoft
17:02 < sir_lewk> I'd argue better now, then later when a competitor might be in a more dangerous position
17:02 <+krisk> what works already exists
17:03 < sir_lewk> they have to do it *eventually*
17:03 < sir_lewk> unless windows 9k is going to virtualize all 45 versions of windows before it or something stupid like that
17:03 <+krisk> well
17:04 <+krisk> say in 30 years they cut support of todays legacy systems
17:04 <+krisk> theyll still have to support todays modern systems which will be 9k's legacy systems
17:04 < sir_lewk> mmhm
17:04 < nicolas> is 9k as subtle reference to HAL ?
17:04 < sir_lewk> and people will wonder why something that worked on vista doesnt work on 9k, even though there other vista stuff does
17:04 < sir_lewk> nicolas: yes :D
17:05 <+krisk> yeah for example
17:05 <+krisk> no longer needing backwards compatiblity really comes down to how stuff is engineered today
17:05 <+krisk> and then maybe in many years it wont be nessecary any more
17:06 <+krisk> or at least not an issue any more
17:06 < sir_lewk> "cloud computing" or whatever the current favorite buzzword is
17:06 < sir_lewk> that is true
17:06 <@benryves> Heh, that old chestnut.
17:07 < sir_lewk> personally cloud stuff just sounds lame imho.  basically just saying that someone else will manage my computer instead of me.  (a task I have no problem doing myself)
17:07 < sir_lewk> but whatever
17:07 < sir_lewk> gamechanging developments come out of nowhere
17:08 <+krisk> such as?
17:08 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Yes, and 2009 is the year of the Linux desktop. :P
17:08 <+krisk> really?
17:09 <@benryves> krisk: As was 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, ...
17:09 < sir_lewk> krisk: personal computing I'd say in general
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17:10 < sir_lewk> (THIS_YEAR + 1) is the year of the linux desktop!
17:10 < sir_lewk> also, the internet.  telephones, electricity
17:10 < sir_lewk> I'm looking at a large scale
17:10 < sir_lewk> progress is accelerating
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17:11 < sir_lewk> [INSERT RANTING ABOUT TECHNOLOGICAL SINGULARITY HERE]
17:12 <+krisk> hehe i was thinking about 2006
17:12 <+krisk> linux needs a step like windows xp made from 98
17:13 <@benryves> What, scrapping the whole thing and replacing it with a different OS?
17:13 <@E-J> what way, stability there is already
17:13 < nicolas> meh, i'm off, going  home
17:13 <+krisk> benryves yeah something like that
17:13 < nicolas> bye lads
17:13 < sir_lewk> I don't think linux should ever go mainstream like windows
17:13 <@benryves> See you, nicolas. :D
17:13 <+krisk> like, linux2 or something
17:13 < sir_lewk> It's just not meant for that
17:13 <+krisk> nonsense
17:14 <@benryves> krisk: Heh, I'll sit here all smug as I went straight from 95 to 2000. :P
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17:14 <+krisk> ghehe
17:14 < sir_lewk> I think any decently copetent computer user would be fine on linux, or could be with some work at least
17:14 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Well, Ubuntu seems to be trying pretty hard.
17:14 < sir_lewk> there are *A LOT* of people that wouldn't be though
17:14 < sir_lewk> benryves: yeah
17:15 < sir_lewk> I don't like ubuntu zealots that thing everything should use ubuntu/linux
17:15 <+krisk> thing is, if someone less than a decently competent computer user would be fine on it then the decently competent user would be in paradise
17:15 <+krisk> once your average 14 year myspace slut can make use of linux, imagine how nice it would be for you to use it
17:15 < sir_lewk> the point of linux isn't "to win" or "beat the man", like so many ubuntu types think.  it's just supposed to be a good OS for those who want to use it
17:16 <+krisk> which doesnt exclude winning over other OSes
17:16 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Oh how I wish more people shared that mentality. :P
17:16 < sir_lewk> it *could* beat the man, but I don't think that should be a goal
17:16 < sir_lewk> benryves: so do I >.<
17:16 <+krisk> why not
17:16 < tifreak> I think we should totally write our own OS, based off of the newer star trek movies.. =D Think of the millions of trekies out there that would buy it.. bwhahaha
17:17 <+krisk> im actually surprised if there isnt a third party frontend that shows linux or os x that way
17:17 < sir_lewk> making "market penatration" a goal instead of "quality" is going to sacrifice things, mainly quality.  if market penatration comes about *because* of quality, then fine
17:17 <@E-J> sir_lewk: there are same kind of people in every os fanatics
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17:18 <@E-J> some mac people think everyone should use osx
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17:18 <@E-J> some windows people think everyone ...
17:18 < sir_lewk> yup, they all annoy me to no end
17:18 <+krisk> mac people are worst though
17:18 <+krisk> starting with apple itself 
17:19 <+krisk> just look at the ads, do you see windows or linux advertising itself that way?
17:19 <@benryves> It probably doesn't help that Apple's own advertising revolves around telling us how much Windows sucks, rather than on the quality of Mac OS X itself.
17:19 < sir_lewk> I use it because I like it.  some times I suggest it to others because I think they might like it too.  I DO NOT suggest it to others so linux can get closer to "winning"
17:19 < sir_lewk> don't get me started on Apple.  that's a religion in every sensible definition of the term I can think of
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17:19 <+krisk> sir_lewk: good. but what if linux evolves to win through quality and compatibility and all the nice things? that should be a fine goal no
17:19 < sir_lewk> cult more like.  you have to buy yourself in
17:20 <+krisk> like scientology
17:20 < sir_lewk> yup
17:20 < sir_lewk> and that'd be fine
17:20 < sir_lewk> I just think "quality" should be the goal.  not "winning"
17:20 <+krisk> surely thats what ubuntu is doing
17:20 < sir_lewk> no, I'm pretty convinced ubuntu is trying to "win"
17:20 < sir_lewk> at least that's the mentality of most of it's users.
17:20 <+krisk> by being superior, theres no other way to win right now
17:21 <+krisk> thell have to give windows AND os x a run for its money
17:21 <+krisk> cant do that if it isnt kickass quality
17:21 < sir_lewk> the ubuntu zealots ignore and deny it's shortcomings though.  that's the difference
17:21 <+krisk> yeah but theyre not the devs are they
17:22 < sir_lewk> truthfully, very little of ubuntu is devs
17:22 < sir_lewk> most of the stuff ubuntu has is from redhat or novel
17:22 <+krisk> i think the devs approach to ubuntus marketing kind of caught fire with the linux zealots resulting in what are now ubuntu zealots
17:22 < sir_lewk> thats another rant though...
17:22 < sir_lewk> yeah
17:22 <+krisk> which is fine anyway because thats how linux goes, take stuff here and there turn it into a nicer package
17:22 <+krisk> hell thats how all oses go now
17:23 < sir_lewk> mmhm, mac osx is a prime example of that
17:23 <+krisk> and vista/win7
17:23 < sir_lewk> they made a BSD user friendly to entirely nontechnical types.  that is one hell of an acheivement
17:24 < sir_lewk> granted, I can't stand the thing, but whatevs, opinions are like assholes
17:24 <+krisk> its not friendly to the technical types though :P
17:24 < sir_lewk> yeah :)
17:24 <+krisk> at least its not friendly to me
17:24 < sir_lewk> agreed, it's a pain imho.  not for "complicated technical BSDy" reasons though
17:26 <@Andy_J> how is it unfriendly to technical types?
17:26 < sir_lewk> not customizable
17:26 < sir_lewk> graphically
17:26 < i_c-Y> meaning...
17:26 <+krisk> which isnt a problem if it looks fine to begin with
17:26 < sir_lewk> perhaps that's a strech of "unfriendly", but it bugs me
17:26 <@benryves> And techies like to graphically customise their OS? :P
17:27 <@Andy_J> techies would rather ditch the GUI altogether
17:27 <+krisk> thats worse with xp though, imagine having to use the default ui settings for it O_o
17:27 <@benryves> Andy_J: I have to disagree with you there.
17:27 < i_c-Y> depends on what they're doing.
17:27 < i_c-Y> but you have to admit having 10 xterms open side by side is pretty useful
17:27 < sir_lewk> I like GUIs, they let me easily manage all my xterms :P
17:27 <@benryves> krisk: Quite. I use the default settings unless they're hideously ugly. :P
17:27 <@Andy_J> What's wrong with Aqua? The widgets are small and unobtrusive
17:28 < i_c-Y> its made by apple
17:28 < sir_lewk> I don't like the colors
17:28 < sir_lewk> I prefer dark themes
17:28 <+krisk> i think apple's theme is pretty good
17:28 < sir_lewk> and the window decorations are pretty bleh
17:28 < sir_lewk> it's good, it's just not my cup of tea
17:28 <+krisk> yeah
17:28  * benryves grumbles at Microsoft's unwise decision to promote skinning under WPF.
17:28 <+krisk> what really bugs me is how the os respodns to what im trying to do
17:28 <+krisk> it just constantly gets in the way with silly things
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17:29 <@benryves> What, like UAC krisk?
17:29 < sir_lewk> yeah, responsive OSs for the lose :P
17:29 < sir_lewk> ^_^
17:29 <@Andy_J> At least they kind of fixed UAC in win7
17:30 <+krisk> well interface thigns really, like stuff popping up, the os coming alive to do things it assumes i want to do but can do fine by myself
17:30 < i_c-Y> if you have a problem with it, disable it.
17:30 <@Andy_J> defaults to not bugging you about changing windows settings but still bugging you about other programs
17:30 <@Andy_J> which is how it should have been done in the first place
17:30 <@benryves> Andy_J: Mm. I don't have major issues with UAC itself, but then again I only see a prompt maybe once or twice a week.
17:30 <+krisk> things like expose really get on my nerves
17:30 <@Andy_J> krisk: so turn it off?
17:31 <+krisk> yeah ill just compeltely overhaul everyone's os x settings whenever i have to just change a little router thing on their mac or something
17:31 <@benryves> The one thing I wish UAC had was a way to whitelist particular applications.
17:31 <@Andy_J> so don't activate it?
17:31 <@Andy_J> it's not that hard to avoid f9
17:32 < sir_lewk> I like my 'su'.  to hell with that UAC nonsense ;P
17:32 <+krisk> it appeared to come up whenever i put my mouse somewhere on the screen corners
17:32 <@Andy_J> well that's their own setting
17:32 <@Andy_J> you can't blame apple for that
17:32 <@benryves> sir_lewk: runas in Windows parlance.
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17:32 <+krisk> fair enough
17:32 <+krisk> its behaviour and toolbars are just not compatible with me though
17:32 <@Andy_J> all of the expose/spaces/dashboard stuff defaults to only keys
17:33 <@Andy_J> with settings for screen corners (which is handy sometimes)
17:33 <+krisk> yeah i had some screen corner settings with compiz
17:33 <@Andy_J> I've got command+top-right to be "display sleep"
17:33 <+krisk> os x also seems to leave crazy folders everywhere
17:33 <+krisk> like on my mp3 player or removable drives
17:33 <@Andy_J> yeah, .DS_Store is annoying.
17:34 <@Andy_J> and the other stuff
17:34 <@Andy_J> but .DS_Store is more common
17:34 < sir_lewk> and what is up with that UNIX stuff too? doesn't apple realize that unix is soooo '70s?!?
17:34 <+krisk> some finder utility on someones laptop put .files all over the directory structure of my mp3 player
17:34 <@Andy_J> but it has to do *something* for filesystems that don't support alternate streams
17:34 < sir_lewk> eww
17:34 < sir_lewk> macs use zfs right?
17:35 <@Andy_J> lolno
17:35 < ports-> hehe
17:35 <@Andy_J> still journaled hfs+
17:35 < sir_lewk> oh?
17:35 < sir_lewk> weird
17:35 < ports-> a black man now controls the nuclear football
17:35 < Zeropod> someone version me
17:35 < ports-> goodbye KFC
17:35 <+krisk> well whatever it did wasnt nessecary at all, which is pretty descriptive of how os x is for me
17:35 < ports-> now 3 men will know your 8 secret herbs and spices
17:35 < sir_lewk> silly ports-, racisim is for southerners
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17:35 <@Andy_J> krisk: you think it's unneeded, but from the OS's point of view, it is =\
17:35 < ports-> sir_lewk:  i wasnt being racist just ridiculous
17:35 < sir_lewk> I know :P
17:36 <@Andy_J> I understand your point.
17:36 <+krisk> yeah, im sure i could learn to work it the way it wants me to, but there are many things i would never want to be accustomed to
17:36 < ports-> theres a good CNN article about how Obama/family isnt The Parkers or Wayans Brothers kind of black
17:36 < i_c-Y> no response, Zeropod 
17:36 < Zeropod> damn
17:36 <@Andy_J> But the OS does need to store more information somewhere, and the filesystem doesn't support alternate streams like hfs+ does
17:36 <+krisk> im not sure what it needed to store on my mp3 player
17:36 < sir_lewk> ports-: lolwat?
17:37 < sir_lewk> link me up
17:37 <+krisk> i just needed to copy a ppt from it to the os x desktop thats all
17:37 <+krisk> apparently that requires filling every folder with .files for indexing something
17:37 <@Andy_J> Metadata.
17:37 < sir_lewk> and I could have sworn macs used zfs now
17:37 <@Andy_J> Finder stores all sorts of metadata on every folder you open in it
17:37 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: it was going to be in leopard but it didn't make it
17:37 <+krisk> yeah, cant it make a /metadata/device_x/ on its own drive?
17:37 < i_c-Y> whats the point then?
17:37 <@Andy_J> krisk: no, it needs to store it on the drive itself so other macs can see it too
17:37 <+krisk> i didnt open anything in it but the root folder, all folders had finder stuff in them
17:38 < ports-> sir_lewk:  http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/15/obama.family/
17:38 <+krisk> other macs can then do it themselves imho
17:38 <@Andy_J> it WOULD store it in alternate data streams inside the file but FAT doesn't support that
17:38 <+krisk> what does finder need to store there for other macs?
17:39 <@Andy_J> The size of the window, if you set any 'colors' for any files (this is the big one)
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17:39 <@benryves> Andy_J: Does Mac OS X support NTFS fully?
17:39 <@Andy_J> benryves: read support
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17:39 <+krisk> cant it just make a single .failosxsettings in the root dir of the drive
17:39 <@benryves> krisk: Thumbs.db
17:39 <@Andy_J> dunno if it supports the alternate data streams on it, but it's moot because it can't write
17:39 <@benryves> Something that Vista has (mostly) fixed.
17:39 <+krisk> yeah like that, only not in every single folder of the drive it apparently automaticalyl ocmpletel tries to index
17:39 <@Andy_J> krisk: no, because when you delete the folder those settings should go too
17:39 <@benryves> Andy_J: Aye, that's what I was wondering about.
17:40 <@Andy_J> which can only happen if it's in the folder itself
17:40 < sir_lewk> does mac osx have fuse or something simular?
17:40 <@Andy_J> you can build fuse on os x, yes
17:40 <@Andy_J> and make ntfs write with that
17:40 <@Andy_J> but it wouldn't support alternate data streams
17:40 <+krisk> well if it contains settings for a nonexisting folder im sure a highly advanced if statement in os x can detect that it doesnt exist and not blow up
17:40 <@Andy_J> krisk: but what if you delete the folder on windows?
17:40 <+krisk> what about that?
17:40 <@Andy_J> you're wasting space storing information about a folder that doesn't exist anymore
17:41 <@Andy_J> and windows doesn't know to get rid of it
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17:41 <+krisk> surely its not much more than a couple of lines of text per folder
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17:41 <@Andy_J> .DS_Store isn't exactly tiny
17:41 <@Andy_J> but it isn't huge either
17:42 <@Andy_J> the one in my ~ is about 15K
17:42 < ports-> sir_lewk:  done reading?
17:42 <@Andy_J> ... which is curious that it's there and not in alternate streams
17:42 <+krisk> hmm os x is like a collection of obtrusive annoying third party apps that i would never ever keep on windows after finding out how obtrusive they are
17:42 <@benryves> Andy_J: Does Mac OS X have a bundled zipper?
17:42 < sir_lewk> halfway though, this is lulz
17:42 < sir_lewk> it makes a decent point though
17:42 < Zeropod> ben, yes
17:42 <@Andy_J> krisk: you like to be in control too much, that's all (not saying it's a bad thing)
17:43 <+krisk> actually i like to not to even have to be in control much
17:43 <@Andy_J> Zeropod: I wouldn't say "yes"
17:43 <@Andy_J> It lets you make a .zip out of a folder
17:43 <@benryves> Just wondering why these Mac OS zip files I'm using are filled with .DS_Store files/folders all over the place.
17:43 <@Andy_J> but you can't really make a .zip any other way
17:43 <+krisk> if i do one little thing then i dont want everything cluttered with index files and dialogs and crazy toolbar behaviour
17:43 < sir_lewk> in soviet russia, YOU USE MAC OSX!!!
17:43 <@Andy_J> benryves: the same metadata
17:43 < i_c-Y> can't stuffit do it, Andy_J ?
17:43 <@benryves> (And, for some reason, Windows thinks the files are encrypted).
17:43 <@Andy_J> i_c-Y: stuffit hasn't been used since classic, pretty much
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17:44 <@Andy_J> maybe 10.2
17:44 <@Andy_J> it hasn't been included for ages
17:44 < Zeropod> andy, I still use stuffit
17:44 <@benryves> Windows no longer comes with Hyper Terminal. :(
17:44 < Zeropod> stuffit 11 was installed when I installed 10.4
17:44 <+krisk> windows xp lets me do one task and expect everything to look feel and behave exactly the same way the next time i do it
17:44 <@Andy_J> Zeropod: I find that hard to believe
17:45 <@Andy_J> There was no point in them including stuffit once they got .dmg going
17:45 < Zeropod> why not?
17:45 < ports-> sir_lewk:  done reading?']
17:45 <@Andy_J> I've never seen it on any of the discs I've had
17:45 < ports-> im using osx right now
17:45 < sir_lewk> yeah
17:45 <@Andy_J> Because that's all stuffit expander was needed for
17:45 < ports-> osx isnt the greatest
17:45 < Zeropod> i still find brand new files for os x in zip and rar
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17:46 < i_c-Y> benryves: dealwithit. you can use putty or something.
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17:46 < ports-> Andy_J:  hey
17:46 < sir_lewk> bold is for bitches
17:46 < ports-> sir_lewk:  my phone is Bold.
17:46 < Zeropod> for the record, this irc client sucks balls
17:46 < sir_lewk> lemme guess
17:46 <+krisk> hmm maybe i should make some room for some vms with os x and win7 on them
17:46 <+krisk> try some stuff out
17:46 < ports-> Andy_J:  ps... fuck off. i cant tell when im using bold or colors on colloquy
17:46 < sir_lewk> your phone also doesn't have a spacebar?
17:46 <@Andy_J> That isn't an excuse.
17:47 < ports-> Andy_J:  refer to words 2 and 3.
17:47 <@Andy_J> "Oh, my speedometer is broken, I didn't know I was goin 80 in a 50 zone"
17:47 <+krisk> is there a amd 64 bit os x release?
17:47 <+krisk> :P
17:47 < sir_lewk> next time well kick you for using a shit client then
17:47 < ports-> sir_lewk:  heh
17:47 < ports-> id prefer windows
17:47 <@Andy_J> krisk: no more 64-bit than the standard OS X
17:47 < sir_lewk> :P
17:47 <@Andy_J> which is kind of 64 bit but not really
17:47 < Zeropod> andy, "ircci" some client for the iphone/ipt that can do landscape
17:47 < ports-> but using osx on this macbook is better..
17:47 <+krisk> werd
17:47 < ports-> since windows has issues with getting the mousy to work properly and a few other small annoyances
17:47 <@Andy_J> it'll be better in snow leopard
17:47 < ports-> im not saying i like osx.
17:48 <@Andy_J> krisk: but if you have an AMD proc, good luck getting anything decent running
17:48 <+krisk> is there a snow leopard beta?
17:48  * sir_lewk is getting foodz
17:48 <+krisk> ? why is amd a problem?
17:48 < i_c-Y> sse3 is on the amd procs now.
17:48 <@Andy_J> well apple uses intel so of course it'll work best on their procs
17:48 < Zeropod> I like Mac OS X, not a huge fan of OS X.
17:48 <@Andy_J> it's doable but it isn't as good
17:48 < i_c-Y> thhe problem used to be when sse2 was on the amd's but not sse3
17:48 < i_c-Y> i dont think they're using ssse3
17:49 <@Andy_J> vmware won't do it justice anyway
17:49 < Zeropod> apple half-crippled OS X, needs more Mac components
17:49 <@Andy_J> rosetta uses sse3 a lot
17:49 < i_c-Y> ya. but not ssse3
17:49 < Zeropod> stupid iphone/ipt
17:50 < i_c-Y> and amd is being fagish and making "sse5" which isnt a superset of sse4
17:50 < i_c-Y> hint: let intel make the sse's
17:50 <@Andy_J> how about we just ditch all legacy x86 and start over
17:50 < ports-> sir_lewk:  and i have all color/font adjustments filtered out in colloquy.
17:51 < Zeropod> my webhost is GAY
17:51 <@Andy_J> do we really still need to be able to run 8080 code?
17:51 < i_c-Y> hell yeah
17:51 <@Andy_J> er, well, 8086
17:51 < ports-> sir_lewk:  same thing in Adium..  i removed all color/formatting from peoples AIM messages.. so it displays them on my white background, with size 11 verdana font, with black letters.
17:51 < i_c-Y> hell yeah
17:51 < Zeropod> they want me to fax my state ID to enable shell access
17:51 <@Andy_J> Zeropod: a lot of places do that
17:51 < ports-> Zeropod:  odd
17:51 <@Andy_J> that does not make them homosexual
17:51 <@benryves> Andy_J: Heh, I hard-locked Vista by accidentally double-clicking on a CP/M (8080) binary.
17:51 < Zeropod> i can't fax
17:52 <@Andy_J> go to kinko's or something
17:52 < Zeropod> in the mountians in PA?
17:52 <@benryves> Zeropod: No access to a regular phone line? :\
17:52 < Zeropod> ben, no fax machine
17:52 <@Andy_J> benryves: that implies computers still have modems :p
17:52 < i_c-Y> Zeropod: so?
17:52 < i_c-Y> use yo pc's modem
17:52 < ports-> YAY
17:52 < ports-> i just got Vista 64bit
17:53 < i_c-Y> i have a modem in my laptop
17:53 < Zeropod> icy, what pc?
17:53 < Zeropod> the one 500 
17:53 <@Andy_J> Zeropod: so take a picture and email it to them
17:53 < Zeropod> miles away?
17:53 <@Andy_J> and tell 'em that's the best you can do
17:53 <@Andy_J> and if they dont' take it, take your business elsewhere
17:53 <@benryves> Andy_J: Mm, I was sad when this PC didn't, had to cannibalise it out of the old one.
17:53 < Zeropod> andy, how can I take a pic?
17:53 <@Andy_J> the 'pod doesn't have a camera? lame
17:54 < Zeropod> it's a mp3 player, not a phone or something
17:54 <@benryves> Haha
17:54 <@Andy_J> right, it's an mp3 player ... and web browser ... and video player ... and can play games ....
17:54 <@benryves> Why would a phone have a camera if an MP3 player doesn't? The iPhone doesn't even do MMS! :P
17:54 <@Andy_J> and can send email ...
17:54 <@Andy_J> I think you see my point :p
17:54 < Zeropod> ben, ehh
17:55 <@E-J> i have mp3 player that has video camera
17:55 <@Andy_J> benryves: that's what email's for
17:55 < ports-> mmm
17:55 <@E-J> benryves: or copy paste
17:55 <@benryves> Andy_J: Mm, MMS is more usual on mobile phones.
17:55 < ports-> my blackberry bold does email, copy paste, full awesome keypad, wifi, gps,
17:55 <@E-J> or forwarding sms
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17:56 < Zeropod> the iPhone was designed around being a phone, the ipod touch was redesigned with music being the main focus, thus the better battery and such
17:56 < ports-> Zeropod:  liar
17:56 <@E-J> ports-: i wouldn't call blackberry keypad awesome
17:56 <@Andy_J> no, it has better battery life because it doesn't have a cellular radio
17:56 < ports-> the iphone/itouch were designed as one device
17:56 < ports-> they just split out functions to create 2 devices
17:56 < Zeropod> ports, nope
17:56 < ports-> Zeropod:  they just happen to look the same?
17:57 < ports-> E-J: the Bold keypad is great for me... i have small hands  though
17:57 <@Andy_J> the ipod is a significally different casing
17:57 < Zeropod> and internals
17:57 < ports-> Andy_J:  ipod touch?
17:57 <@Andy_J> yes
17:57 <@E-J> ports-: i have big fingers so i like e90 more
17:57 < ports-> Zeropod:  the internals are just modular
17:57 <@Andy_J> it's a lot thinner
17:57 <@Andy_J> the internals are probably almost identical except the lack of the phone stuff
17:57 < Zeropod> close
17:58 < Zeropod> but still
17:58 <@benryves> E-J: What about voice recognition?
17:58 < Zeropod> i need a eye-fi sd card
17:58 < ports-> Zeropod:  still what.. stfu
17:58 < ports-> E-J: id like a E71
17:58 <@benryves> (I assume the iPhone has voice recognition?)
17:59 < ports-> benryves:  no it doesnt
17:59 < Zeropod> ben, you need a 3rd party app
17:59 <@Andy_J> I don't htink so
17:59 <@benryves> ports-: Pfft. Gets worse and worse.
17:59 <@Andy_J> not many phones do
17:59 < ports-> heh
17:59 < Zeropod> true
17:59 <@Andy_J> winmo is the only thing with decent speech recognition
17:59 < ports-> my old sony phone 4 years ago had awesome voice recognition
17:59 <@benryves> Andy_J: Meh, I'm just using low-end Nokia S40s as a reference point. :P
17:59 <@E-J> and i don't think they sell blackberries here except on grocery store where fruits and vegatables are
17:59 < ports-> you set it up with a "code phrase"
17:59 < ports-> so the phone was always listening to you
17:59 <@Andy_J> most phones that have anything are just trained voice-activated dialing
17:59 <@Andy_J> not proper speech recognition
17:59 < ports-> randomly in a sentence you could just say "Captain Picard Call Judy"
18:00 < Zeropod> if I had an eye-fi sd card i could upload the pics directly
18:00 < ports-> itd detect that and do the command
18:00 <@benryves> Andy_J: Aye, my very old phones (when screens were still black and white) had voice activated dialling that you had to train.
18:00 < ports-> totally hands free
18:00 <@Andy_J> neat, ports- 
18:00 < ports-> SE T637
18:00 <@Andy_J> benryves: my moto v220 (my previous phone) had VAD
18:00 <@Andy_J> I've got Voice Command on my winmo phone now and I love it
18:01 < Zeropod> i hate voice shit
18:01 <@benryves> Mm. :) My current one has voice commands and text-to-speech for confirmation.
18:01 <@Andy_J> "what is my next appointment" "play judas priest" "dial 800 589 6499" "what is the battery level" etc.
18:01 < Zeropod> it never works for me, and i like dialing numbers
18:01 <@Andy_J> "what song is this"
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18:01 <@benryves> Zeropod: Rather useful for hands-free operation.
18:01 < Zeropod> ben, i like hands on
18:02 <@Andy_J> with text to speech confirming for dialing numbers, and for answering questions
18:02 <@benryves> Which is illegal in this country when driving, for starters.
18:02 <@Andy_J> I wish we'd have that.
18:02 < Zeropod> i never call while driving
18:02 <@E-J> in this country too
18:02 < Zeropod> increases accident proneness by 4x
18:02 <@Andy_J> It shouldn't just be hands-free
18:02 <@Andy_J> the driver shouldn't be allowed to use a phone at all
18:02 < Zeropod> i agree
18:02 <@E-J> though both my father and brother use phone without handsfree while driving (and both are cops)
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18:03 < Zeropod> stupid buggy client
18:03 <@benryves> Andy_J: That would be ideal, but that's the slippery slope that leads to banning sat nav, radios, other passengers...
18:03 <@Andy_J> I should get a bluetooth headset at least
18:04 <@Andy_J> The problem isn't with people not having their hands on the wheel
18:04 <@Andy_J> It's them not paying attention to what's going on around them.
18:04 <@Andy_J> Using hands-free devices doesn't make them pay more attention.
18:04 < Zeropod> andy, could be worse
18:04 <@Andy_J> 'nobody' would use radios
18:04 <@Andy_J> other people in the car isn't nearly as bad
18:04 < ports-> lol
18:05 < Zeropod> I can't drive without music
18:05 < ports-> i dont use hand free
18:05 <@Andy_J> I use 'nobody' to mean that people that don't currently would continue to not.
18:05 < ports-> id wager.. 50% of the time i am in the car i am on the phone
18:05 <@Andy_J> ports-: take the bus, then.,
18:05 < ports-> Andy_J:  you take the bus
18:05 < ports-> im a safe driver.
18:05 <@Andy_J> I don't use my phone while I drive, so I don't have to.
18:06 < Zeropod> i need a working cellphone again :(
18:06 < ports-> but i spend 10+ hours a week in the car driving places..
18:06 <+krisk> people in cars on public roads should not be allowed enjoyment through distractions of any kind
18:06 <+krisk> dont like, dont drive
18:06 <+krisk> *it
18:06 <@Andy_J> Music is required.
18:06 < ports-> thats 10 hours when im not doing anything else.. so i call people and catch up on my calling
18:06 <@Andy_J> It'd be too easy to fall asleep otherwise.
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18:06 <@Andy_J> ports-: no, you are doing something else. Driving.
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18:07 < ports-> fuck driving
18:07 < ports-> i could do it in my sleep
18:07 <@Andy_J> Then back to my original point: Take the buss.
18:07 < Zeropod> damn buggy client
18:07 <@Andy_J> And therein lies the problem.
18:07 < ports-> Andy_J:  whats your problem?
18:07 < ports-> Andy_J:  i didnt ask you for suggestions.
18:07 <@Andy_J> You not using hands-free while driving.
18:07 < ports-> so what
18:07 < ports-> my state does not require it.
18:08 <@Andy_J> That doesn't make it safe.
18:08 < ports-> i dont care
18:08 <@Andy_J> You are not a subjective judge of your own safe driving abilities.
18:08 < ports-> Andy_J:  youre an idiot
18:08 <@Andy_J> That's like saying "I can drive while I'm drunk"
18:08 < ports-> i am not an objective judge.
18:08 < tifreak> lol
18:08 < tifreak> oh come on..
18:08 < ports-> I AM A SUBJECTIVE judge
18:08 < Zeropod> i so wish i could ssh into my home box
18:09 <+krisk> natural selection will take care of it
18:09 < tifreak> its funny, the state of Indiana claims that if you are not wearing your seat belt, you might as well be a drunk driver.. =D yay for stupid shitty laws! =D
18:09 <@Andy_J> krisk: and take out innocent bystanders in the process.
18:09 <+krisk> just drive on a lot of roads with trees next to them please ports
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18:09 < i_c-Y> Andy_J: i'm all for population control.
18:09 < i_c-Y> hopefully, it will take out ports- too. forever.
18:10 <@Andy_J> I wish it worked that wya.
18:10 < ports-> lol
18:11 < ports-> if we were to play survival of the fittest.. you guys might want to think this over..
18:11 < ports-> im the engineer... odds are im going to win
18:11 <@Andy_J> You also use your cellphone while you drive without hands-free.
18:11 <@E-J> i have been in army and i'm almost engineer
18:11 <@Andy_J> Which makes you less likely to win ;)
18:12 <@Andy_J> Clearly shows your IQ isn't really that high.
18:12 < ports-> E-J: i think itd be a close match between you and i.
18:12 < Zeropod> stupid freakin webhost...
18:12 < ports-> Andy_J:  again. youre an idiot
18:12 <+krisk> i live in a country without many guns, i think ill have the best shot of anybody here to survive anarchy
18:12 <@Andy_J> Am I, now?
18:12 <@E-J> actually engineer with university degree
18:13 < Zeropod> they should have means one can prove they are themselves to enable shell access
18:13 < Zeropod> i never had to show my ID before
18:13 <+krisk> how does engineering improve your chances at survival of the fittest?
18:13 <@Andy_J> They need to be able to pass the buck off to you if you do something naughty on their computer
18:13 <@Andy_J> they're just covering their own asses
18:13 < Zeropod> they have enough of my info
18:13 <@E-J> krisk: they are mcgyvers
18:14 <@Andy_J> Zeropod: but they need a photo ID to seal the deal
18:14 <@Andy_J> They can't prove it's you otherwise
18:14 < Zeropod> name, dob, cc#, phone#
18:14 <@Andy_J> That isn't proof.
18:14 <@Andy_J> That's just identifyable information./
18:14 < Zeropod> everything but the ssn
18:14 <+krisk> if anything youre just more likely to die in an industrial accident so ha
18:14 <@benryves> You could have made that up. Here you usually have to submit your passport, utility bills, bank statement &c.
18:14 <@Andy_J> Exactly.
18:15 < Zeropod> i'm not a fan
18:15 <@Andy_J> baw more.
18:15 <@E-J> here most things only need web bank access
18:16 <@E-J>  only place i had to send copy of my passport was when i was going to australia and needed visa
18:17 < Zeropod> here I am with no PC access, and can't even access server space I paid good money for
18:17 <@Andy_J> again, baw more.
18:17 <@Andy_J> You should have looked into this before you signed up
18:17 < Zeropod> i did
18:17 < Zeropod> never mentioned photo id for shell access
18:18 <@benryves> Surely you can find somewhere to fax from? :\
18:18 < Zeropod> ben, not in this town
18:18 < sir_lewk> Taco Bell should break into the telephoney business
18:19 < Zeropod> there are less than 50 people here right now, well maybe over 50, less than 100 for sure
18:21 < Zeropod> i am so buying an eye-fi card my next chance
18:21 <+krisk> take quality picture, email to person with fax machine, person faxes
18:22 < Zeropod> krisk, how do I take the pic and email it?
18:22 <+krisk> digital camera with usb cable
18:22 < Zeropod> i have a digicam, yes. but no PC
18:22 <+krisk> or a phone with such functions
18:22 < Zeropod> and my cell died last week
18:22 <+krisk> ok
18:22 <@E-J> sucks to be you
18:23 <+krisk> find person with smartphone, let person take picture, let person send mail to person with fax, let person fax
18:23 < sir_lewk> fuuuuuuuuck I ate to much
18:23 <+krisk> impossible
18:24 <@benryves> Unless you're Mr. Creosote.
18:24 < Zeropod> krisk, well, first I'd need to build a cell tower here to get reception, then convince someone here that they need a cell phone, the. teach them how to use it
18:24 < Zeropod> *then
18:25 < i_c-Y> is tere a staples near by? you could get an AIO printer from there. problem solved.
18:25 <+krisk> ok so first find suitable ground to buy, get some contractors, ...
18:25 < Zeropod> icy, tiny town in the mountians of PA
18:25 < sir_lewk> eww :(
18:25 < sir_lewk> PA is lame, I grew up there
18:26 <@benryves> Public Address? :\
18:26 <+krisk> lol
18:26 < sir_lewk> pensylviania
18:26 < sir_lewk> state
18:26 <@benryves> Oho.
18:26 < Nikky> Ohio?
18:26 < sir_lewk> everyone calls it PA because it's name is far too unweildly
18:26 < Nikky> PA sucks.
18:26 < Nikky> Sorry to say.
18:26 < sir_lewk> I'm not
18:26 < Zeropod> closest staples is pittsburgh, about 100mi away on the tur pike
18:26 < sir_lewk> it really does suck
18:26 < Zeropod> err, turnpike
18:27 < sir_lewk> ah, you're up in that area
18:27 < tifreak> Zeropod: use the power of the interwebz, and order online =p
18:27 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Not as bad as Massachusetts - there's a state with its teeth taken out.
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18:27 < sir_lewk> lol, true
18:27 <@E-J> do they use PA systems in PA?
18:27 < Zeropod> tifreak, i own and aio printer, and I am here for like a week
18:27 < sir_lewk> :P
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18:28 < Zeropod> it just annoys me with having to use shitty irc client from hell
18:28 < i_c-Y> your aio printer doesnt have a fax function built in?
18:28 < Zeropod> icy, it does, 500mi away, at home, connected to my computer
18:29 <@E-J> in finnish PA means that you don't have any money (acronym means "perse auki" which can be translated as "ass open")
18:29 < sir_lewk> faxes are so ghetto
18:29 < sir_lewk> O.o
18:29 <@benryves> sir_lewk: We still use 'em.
18:29 < Zeropod> i can also email it they say
18:29 < sir_lewk> yeah, faxes are pretty common around here too
18:29 < Zeropod> i have them on the landline phone. 
18:29 < sir_lewk> it's a good solid tech
18:29 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Well, to communicate with clients who still use faxes.
18:30 < Zeropod> but they insist on me faxing or emailing photo id
18:30 < sir_lewk> my dad works for the USDA, he says most of the time instead of faxing stuff around they just get on their computers and print stuff out on printers in other states :D
18:31 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Higher quality, at any rate. :D
18:31 < sir_lewk> seems kind of absurd you can even do that, but it's pretty funny :)
18:31 < Barrett> yayyy, got rsync to work
18:31 < sir_lewk> it was broken?
18:32 < Barrett> never worked in the first place
18:32 < sir_lewk> how so?
18:32 < Barrett> I finally sat down and figured out how to do the configuration and pull and everything
18:32 < sir_lewk> ah
18:32 < sir_lewk> coolio
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18:33 < sir_lewk> some day I want to set up a user on my laptop that has it's $HOME as a autofs+sshfs setup
18:33 <@E-J> sir_lewk: when i was working as "commissionaire" on some hospital in helsinki, we got every morning patient numbers from every unit by fax and we added them to one page which we faxed to several different places
18:33 <+krisk> teehee DARE: Drugs Are Really Exciting
18:33 <@E-J> after that all paper went to shredder
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18:34 <@E-J> that was just 5 years ago
18:34 < sir_lewk> E-J: that's how a lot of places around here operate too I think
18:34 < sir_lewk> sup PollTroll?
18:34 < Zeropod> it's ironic that i can fax my ID when I get home, but by then i'll have access to my home computer and won't need shell access to my webhost
18:34 < PollTroll> nothing... either something's wrong with my internet or something's wrong with xs4all
18:35 < sir_lewk> hmmkay
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18:35 <+krisk> +1 for using efnet.xs4all.nl
18:35 < Zeropod> fucking shitty irc client
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18:57 <@efneTI92> [Tyler2] I no longer speak fluent dialup.
18:57 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Tyler2] by Remius
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19:06 <+krisk> "When talking about how Apple cannot influence the future of computers, you also forgot to mention that the internet was created on a network of macs to start with. Thats why ever online PeeCee has a MAC code. Even my PSP needs a MAC code to get online...."
19:08 <@Andy_J> *facepalm*
19:09 < sir_lewk> ...wat
19:09 <@Andy_J> morons.
19:09 < sir_lewk> ohmygawd
19:10 < Nikky> sounds like a typical mactard
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19:11 <+ix> obvious troll is obvious
19:12 < Nikky> wow, it's like I'm in July 2008 again
19:12  * sir_lewk feeds ix to the troll
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19:12 < Nikky> omnomnom
19:19 < V200> gosh
19:19 < V200> I was gonna ssh to home but now I have no way of knowing the IP address
19:20 <+krisk> http://disc.420chan.org/tech/src/1232380590160.png
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19:22 < Nikky> haha
19:22 < Nikky> what a loser
19:24 < V200> it was automatically reconnecting
19:24 < V200> until I left, of course
19:24 < V200> I have the worst luck
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19:34 <@Andy_J> interesting, win7 has powershell
19:34 <+krisk> oh cool
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19:36 < sir_lewk> and yet still no xterm
19:36 < sir_lewk> I'll be willing to bet it doesn't support half the nice features that xterm has
19:37 <@chronomex> like middle-click paste?
19:37 < sir_lewk> like 256 colors I was thinking
19:38 <@Andy_J> it's a terminal, it doesn't need 256 colors
19:38 < sir_lewk> middleclick paste is more of a windowmanager feature
19:38 < sir_lewk> of course it does
19:38 < sir_lewk> who else will you use Vim with 256 color mode?
19:39 <@E-J> how
19:39 < sir_lewk> err, yeah
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19:39 < sir_lewk> you could say "it's a terminal, it doesn't need 16 colors", but that doesn't make 16 colors a pointless feature
19:40 <+krisk> you know that in a graphical environment you can use superior editors than text based ones right
19:40 < sir_lewk> if I extend my right arm too far my elbow cracks :O
19:41 <+krisk> so dont extend it too far :o
19:41 <@chronomex> krisk: does _your_ text editor let you wear red/blue 3d glasses to edit in 3d?
19:41 < sir_lewk> it was a bit past 180
19:41 <+krisk> wouldnt that make much more sense as an OS/graphics driver feature?
19:41 < sir_lewk> and vim kicks ass, I can *maybe* agree with you if you consider gvim though
19:42 <@chronomex> krisk: no, of course not
19:42 < sir_lewk> but personaly I prefer vim in an xterm
19:42 < sir_lewk> are 3d movies a feature of the projector hardware, or just what the film displays?
19:42 < sir_lewk> (old 3d movies, red/blue)
19:42 <+krisk> film
19:42 < sir_lewk> exactly
19:43 < sir_lewk> so I'd proposit it's the editors job to display weird stuff like that
19:43 <+krisk> so if you get software to show any image in that red/blue you can use and text editor in 3d
19:43 < sir_lewk> also, is there actually an editor that does that?!?
19:43 <@Andy_J> there should be, if there isn't
19:43 < sir_lewk> someone should get on that
19:44 < sir_lewk> opengl or sdl clearly, platform independant
19:44 < sir_lewk> a terminal wouldn't work because you wouldn't get the proper spacing
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19:45 < sir_lewk> I wonder how hard the math for that would be, probably not too bad...
19:48 <+krisk> or, http://www.google.nl/search?q=windows+stereo+graphics+driver
19:49 < sir_lewk> that'd be overkill and require special setup though
19:52 < V200> wait, so according to the man page, the arguments I'm using make sure that it remembers who the owners of files are
19:52 < V200> but the owner is still showing up as the user who ran rsync to pull the files
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19:53 < x86ricer> Hello all.
19:53 < sir_lewk> hello x86ricer
19:53 < x86ricer> I have a question about using a USB thumb drive with a TI-84
19:54 < sir_lewk> shoot
19:54 < x86ricer> I noticed that there was an artical on the web about how to do this (wish I read it) but i was wondering can you run aplications from the thumb drive?
19:55 < sir_lewk> hmm, good question
19:55  * sir_lewk pokes BrandonW
19:55 < x86ricer> Also.. Have you heard of anyone ditching the plastic case on the thumb drive and installing it on the inside of the TI case?
19:55 < sir_lewk> BrandonW would know
19:55 < V200> ah, got it.. had to sudo
19:56 < V200> man rsync is fast
19:56 < sir_lewk> I have not heard of such a thing, but if you try it upload some pics for us!
19:56 <+krisk> "Wain is known for his anthropomorphic cats."
19:56  * sir_lewk offers BrandonW cake if he wakes up
19:57 < x86ricer> Could you point me to where I can find some info on the software to get a ti84 to use a usb thumb drive?
19:57 <+krisk> "Emily soon began to suffer from cancer, and died only three years after their marriage. It was during this period that Wain discovered the subject that would define his career. During her illness, Emily was comforted by their pet cat Peter, and Wain taught him tricks such as wearing spectacles and pretending to read in order to amuse his wife."
19:57 <+krisk> : )
20:01 < sir_lewk> x86ricer: look around http://www.brandonw.net/calculators/ I guess
20:01 < sir_lewk> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/390/39064.html
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20:02 < x86ricer> Nice.  Thanks for the info.
20:02 < sir_lewk> np
20:03 < x86ricer> I am going to give this a try.  If it works to my liking I will try to integrate the flash drive into the calculator body.
20:03 < sir_lewk> that'd be sweet
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20:18 <+krisk> so
20:19 < x86ricer> Wow.
20:19 < x86ricer> What a pain in the butt.
20:19 <+krisk> i think switching dinner with breakfast makes mcuh more sense
20:19 < x86ricer> The gains arn't worth the work.
20:20 < x86ricer> I have a HP 49G+ and I was looking for a way to ad similar function (near unlimited storage for programs) to the TI84 or 89.
20:21 < x86ricer> A cool program non the less, but not worth the trouble.
20:21 < x86ricer> Thanks for the help guys with pointing me to the right files.
20:23 < x86ricer> This brings me to another question.  Why doesn't TI just add memory exp. to their calcs?
20:23 < x86ricer> Or at least add it to the new Nspire calcs.
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20:29 <+krisk> attempt at leofox highlight
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20:50 <@efneTI92> [Tyler2] I no longer speak fluent dialup.
20:51 <+krisk> [21:29] <+krisk> attempt at leofox highlight
20:51 <+krisk> [21:45] * leofox (leofox@leofox.student.utwente.nl) Quit
20:51 <+krisk> heh
20:52 <+krisk> hmm, wearing a baseball hat makes underneath headphones is much more comfortable than either seperately
20:55 <@E-J> krisk: have you already tested that room scent that banned in germany as a drug
20:56 <+krisk> :o havent heard about it
20:56 <@E-J> i don't know how much you understand german but http://www.welt.de/wissenschaft/article3060078/Modedroge-Spice-wirkt-noch-staerker-als-Cannabis.html
20:57 <+krisk> i can probably get the gist of it by reading
20:59 <@E-J> i understand that much that topic says it's stronger than cannabis
20:59 <+krisk> yeah
20:59 <@E-J> http://www.conscious.nl/page/shop/flypage/a/product_id/e/614
20:59 <+krisk> it says it contains synthetic cannabinoid cp-47,497 which is stronger than THC according to some publication
21:00 <@_Auron_> this song is a nice mix of retro, rock, and funk I guess :P
21:01 <+krisk> E-J: the article warns for OD by using that Spice stuff along with similar products (ie pot)
21:01 <+krisk> (though I dont think you can OD on cannabinoids but w/e)
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21:02 <@E-J> krisk: you can od with water, so i think you can od with everything
21:02 <+krisk> well yeah
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21:03 <+krisk> but these work on neuroreceptors
21:04 <+krisk> so anything above a certain treshhold should simply be expelled by the body
21:04 <@_Auron_> or you fall asleep
21:04 <+krisk> (both)
21:05 <@E-J> wikipedia says dose that will overdose with kannabis is about 13 kg
21:05 <+krisk> lol
21:05 <@_Auron_> um./
21:06 <@_Auron_> typically you smoke like, a sixteenth of an ounce at once
21:06 <@_Auron_> 13kg = 458oz
21:06 <+krisk> i guess it can affect things like heart-rate and stuff so if you could physically take such a dose it could be lethal
21:06 <@_Auron_> if you had 13kg of cannabis in you, you wouldn't have much else at all
21:07 <@_Auron_> unless you took a needle to yourself and forcibly injected it, it's not possible to get to that amount.. anywhere near.
21:07 <@_Auron_> so OD generally is not possible
21:08 <@E-J> they say here that using cannabis increases possibility to have scitzofrenia
21:08 <@E-J> +h somewhere
21:08 <+krisk> hehe
21:08 <@_Auron_> riiight
21:08 <@_Auron_> so does working under an asshole for a manager
21:08 <@_Auron_> lots of things can
21:09 <+krisk> there are cases but they cant prove its actually caused by cannabis/lsd/shrooms/mdma/whathaveyou
21:09 <@_Auron_> yar
21:09 <+krisk> its likely to act as a catalyst though
21:09 <@E-J> + ohter psychoses
21:09 <@E-J> other*
21:10 <@E-J> alcohol causes also psychoses
21:10 <@_Auron_> oh and I didn't know you could use a hand saw as an instrument
21:10 <@_Auron_> but it makes sense
21:10 <+krisk> yeah, any substance that affects your state of mind will probably affect mental problems you might have
21:11 <+krisk> woah that spice stuff is expensive too, 20 euro for 3gr
21:11 <@_Auron_> that's not expensive
21:12 <@_Auron_> sounds normal
21:12 <+krisk> well not expensive for its kind of product no
21:12 <+krisk> but im not gonna buy it just to have either
21:12 <+krisk> if its like 5 euro then sure
21:13 <@_Auron_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF4bOho_qZY&feature=related
21:14 <+krisk> would be cool if they had something for in those aroma dispensers
21:14 <+krisk> or incense
21:16 <+krisk> haha
21:17 < sir_lewk> I freaking love this setup
21:17 <+krisk> setup?
21:17 < sir_lewk> the command `tux` logs me into my CS account, and attaches me to my screen session with irssi running
21:17 <+krisk> cool
21:17 <+krisk> http://files.shroomery.org/files/08-27/495213713-history-of-the-universe.gif
21:18 <+krisk> wat are those pacmans and "The Desert" supposed to be?
21:18 < sir_lewk> and that account is automatically mounted at ~/mounts/sshfs/tux/ so I can use any local app on any remote file
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21:18 <@efneTI92> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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21:18  * mokomull roots sir_lewk's machine and takes over his CS account
21:19 < sir_lewk> :O
21:19 < sir_lewk> yeah, that would be an issue
21:19 < sir_lewk> I trust the security of my machine though, if I can't do that much them I'm screwed already
21:20 < sir_lewk> anyways, <3 keyed ssh logins
21:29 <+krisk> omg this bridge: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/371831/234ab678/engste._brug._evah.html
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21:46 < ports-> i love the internet
21:46 < ports-> theres so much information on here
21:46 <+krisk> i love cute girls
21:46 < ports-> basically with 2-3 points of information, and some general knowledge.. you can find out anything about anyone or any place
21:47 < Nikky> creeper
21:47 < ports-> Nikky:  its business.
21:47 < Nikky> no, it's being a creeper
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21:48 < ports-> ive got someone offering to partner with my company and they said they have a factory that they can buy for us to set up shop in... but he wont tell me where the factory is, what it used to be, what its doing right now
21:48 < ports-> i found the factory in about 10 minutes online.. and in about an hour ill have 10 years worth of tax records, and a lot more on the place.
21:48 <+krisk> ok..
21:48 <+krisk> hehe
21:48 < Nikky> or you could ask to just see it in person... retard
21:49 < ports-> Nikky:  cant see something in person if you wont tell me where it is
21:49 < Nikky> then it doesn't sound like a good deal
21:49 < Nikky> you don't need to stalk someone to figure tha tout
21:49 < Nikky> unless you have zero common sense
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21:49 < ports-> no its a trust issue
21:50 < Nikky> that's what I said
21:50 < ports-> our companies cant be equal partners if we keep secrets, etc.. and we're just in preliminary talks right now.
21:50 < sir_lewk> if some guy refuses to tell you were a factory is, then it's probably staffed by illegal immigrant babies or something
21:50 < Nikky> ports-: Yes, I know.
21:50 < ports-> sir_lewk:  no, the factory is closed.
21:50 < Nikky> So why bother spending an hour?
21:50 < sir_lewk> riiight
21:50 < sir_lewk> officially
21:50 < Nikky> You could figure that out in 2 seconds.
21:50 < sir_lewk> at night babies work in it handling dangerous chemicals
21:50 < ports-> because i want the factory.
21:50 < Nikky> "Where is it?" "We won't tell you" "Oh, I'll spend an hour figuring it out. You seem like nice guys."
21:51 < sir_lewk> yeah really
21:51 < ports-> he'll tell me all about the factory and whatnot as soon as we ink our some more agreements and exchange money.
21:51 < sir_lewk> don't go for it
21:51 < ports-> right now theres nothing really stopping me from walking away from the deal
21:51 <+krisk> sounds like a really wierd shady deal
21:51 < ports-> well.. my boss from walking away
21:51 < ports-> its not my decision either way..
21:51 < sir_lewk> clearly he has something to hide about the factory
21:52 <+krisk> could be hiding a good thing though
21:52 < ports-> sir_lewk:  not about the factory.. its fine.. just out of business so its not operating.
21:52 <+krisk> like, surprise! its actually a magic pie factory!
21:52 < Nikky> whoo
21:52 < sir_lewk> it's probably deserted and run down as fuck
21:52 < sir_lewk> 2 weeks from being condemned
21:52 < ports-> sir_lewk:  thats possible
21:53 < ports-> the factory was originally small... and in the midst of upgrades it changed ownership and went bankrupt
21:53 < ports-> so ive tracked down the old factory manager... and we shall see what happened
21:54 < sir_lewk> I haz a factoree, no uz kant sea it, I can haz monies frist plzkthx
21:54 <+krisk> cool
21:54 < ports-> until deals get finalized.. no one shares a lot of information in big business deals.
21:54 < ports-> but if you have some decently smart people working for you... nothings a secret..
21:54 < ports-> the awesome thing about the government... they fucking write everything down and save the paper
21:55 < ports-> we tried to buy a factory... the owner told us that he owned the property.. we were able to find a 50 year old lease agreement that said his cousin actually owned it.
21:57 < sir_lewk> lol, nice
21:58 < ports-> that deal fell through
21:58 < ports-> because the lease agreement said that if anyone bought the business... the business would be kicked off the property.
21:58 < ports-> we cant just buy a factory then pick it up and take it away
21:58 <+krisk> no kidding
22:01 < ports-> heres some good advice
22:01 < ports-> people call it due dilligence... make sure  you actually check the shit out.. or your boss is just going to take it out on you and fire you
22:02 < Nikky> wow, u sur r smrt
22:03 <+krisk> so thats what ive been doing wrong
22:03 <@_Auron_> god
22:03 <@_Auron_> black people are fucking stupid
22:03 <@_Auron_> </racist but true>
22:03 < ports-> _Auron_:  what? they run out of chicken at kfc?
22:03 <@_Auron_> was driving home and stopped behind this lady at a red light
22:04 <@_Auron_> it turned green and there was a line of people behind me
22:04 <@_Auron_> she was on her cellphone talking
22:04 < ports-> _Auron_:  you idiot
22:04 <@_Auron_> I honked at her because she didn't seem to care that the light was green
22:04 < ports-> you know what you just did?
22:04 <+krisk> people are fucking stupid* fixed
22:04 <@_Auron_> she looked back at me, then kept talking
22:04 <@_Auron_> I honked again for like 3x longer and she ignored me
22:04 < ports-> you gave that clown andy_j another reason to bitch about people on the phone
22:04 < ports-> lol that sucks
22:05 < ports-> clearly her poor driving wasnt the problem
22:05 <@_Auron_> so I drove around her (I needed to turn right there and the bitch was in the way)
22:05 <@_Auron_> and then she went forward
22:05 <@_Auron_> fucking bitch
22:05 < ports-> you should have reported that
22:06 <@_Auron_> then like, not even 15 seconds later I stopped at a stop sign behind another lady (this time one in an SUV) and she was stopped behind someone else, but apparently she let off the brake and went forward then slammed on the brake and her car jumped
22:06 <@_Auron_> the car in front of her floored it to gtfa from her
22:06 < ports-> ahaha
22:07 < sir_lewk> _Auron_: this is not about black people being bad drivers
22:07 < sir_lewk> it's women being bad drivers
22:07 < sir_lewk> we all know this already
22:07 <@_Auron_> no
22:07 < sir_lewk> yes
22:07 <@_Auron_> in this area, the majority of women that fail at driving are black women
22:07 < sir_lewk> the boobs get in the way I think
22:08 < sir_lewk> :P
22:08 <@_Auron_> they're also the ones that bitch about everything the most
22:08 < sir_lewk> in this area the majority of women that fail at driving, drive SUVs
22:08 <+krisk> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/371721/632b8d14/weg_met_die_vetrandjes_.html
22:08 <+krisk> ahahaha
22:08 <@_Auron_> here if someone drives a truck they always drive 15mph+ faster than everyone else on the highway/street
22:08 <@Andy_J> 95% of the people that drive SUVs have no need to be driving a fucking SUV
22:08 < ports-> meh
22:09 < ports-> i dont like driving suvs... my family owns 4
22:09 < sir_lewk> "<@_Auron_> here if someone drives a truck they always drive 15mph+ faster than everyone else on the highway/street
22:09 <@_Auron_> Andy_J: but they like having all the extra room that they never use! :P
22:09 < sir_lewk> " yeah, don't you hate slow trucks?
22:09 < sir_lewk> I'm usually 30mph over :P
22:09 < Nikky> Wow, what's with all the swearing.
22:10 < ports-> i try not to speed in town
22:10 < Nikky> What is this, New York City?
22:10  * _Auron_ hugs Nikky
22:10 < Nikky> I don't drive.
22:10 < Nikky> Don't touch me, racist.
22:10 < sir_lewk> Maryland people suck at driving if the road is a straight shot for 3 miles and posted at 40mph, I'm probably doing 70
22:10 <@_Auron_> :(
22:10 < ports-> sir_lewk:  that could be bad
22:10 < sir_lewk> meh, screw it
22:11 < sir_lewk> maryland has artificially low speed limits
22:12  * sir_lewk --> home
22:13 <@_Auron_> and the albertson's down the street has a giant "GOING OUT OF BUSINESS" sign :X
22:14 <@_Auron_> I guess kroger won
22:14 < ports-> sweep the leg johnny
22:14 <@_Auron_> ?
22:16 < ports-> have you heard that song before?
22:16 < ports-> its a riff on the karate kid
22:18 <@_Auron_> no
22:21 < ports-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFlQNtL8F9s
22:21 < ports-> watch that video its actually pretty good
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23:07 <+krisk> :o :(
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23:16 <@efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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23:28 < Milyardo> EEEVIL
23:29 < Milyardo> eerr
23:29 < Milyardo> eeeVIL
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23:35 < ports_> hehe
23:35 < ports_> learn more about ass effects today
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23:42 < sir_lewk> soooo
23:43 < sir_lewk> apparently my 2002 honda accord is limited to 105mph
23:43 <@_Auron_> wow
23:43 < sir_lewk> where is tifreak, I need to remedy this
23:43 <@_Auron_> my friend went 115mph on the highway once in his '94 honda
23:43 <@_Auron_> didn't feel like we were going that fast though
23:43 < sir_lewk> yeah, I was pretty disappointed
23:44 < i_c-Y> you know that hondas explode at 106, right?
23:44 <@_Auron_> lol
23:44 <+krisk> why would you need to go faster?
23:44 < ports_> badger badger
23:44 <+krisk> want to finance the state?
23:44 < sir_lewk> mmmmm
23:44 <+krisk> SHROOM SHROOM OMNOMNOMNONMONMasuhdruigkw34t
23:44 < sir_lewk> I commute on the autobahn?
23:44 < i_c-Y> i got ticketed in PA
23:45 < i_c-Y> for doing 80 on an empty road
23:45 < ports_> for being a dirty jew?
23:45 < ports_> hah close
23:45 <@_Auron_> dragon warrior 2 is brutal when it comes to items
23:45 < i_c-Y> !k ports_ racism.
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23:45 < ports_> lol
23:45 <@_Auron_> your equipment uses up item slots, the required keys to open doors in the game take up item slots, and quest items take up item slots
23:45 < sir_lewk> lol
23:45 <+krisk> well, if youre on an empty road and decide to loose control over your car and die, thatll cost the state a lot more money so them trying to prevent that makes sense doesnt it
23:46  * sir_lewk rawrs at nannystates
23:46 < ports_> krisk, nah the jew should have died
23:46 <@_Auron_> you have 3 characters and each has 8 item slots, that's 24 items
23:46 < ports_> he would cost the gubment less in welfare and bailouts
23:46 < sir_lewk> exactly
23:46 < ports_> and by jew i mean madoff
23:46 <+krisk> _Auron_: I cant even think of an rpg that doesnt work that way though usually with more item slots because well dnd need more items
23:47 <+krisk> items slots + weight limits
23:47 < sir_lewk> you know why seatbelts are often mandated but you can still often drive motorcycles without helmets?
23:47 <+krisk> lets not get started about STALKER
23:47 < sir_lewk> car accident without seatbelt == badly injured
23:47 < ports_> mm stalker
23:47 < sir_lewk> motorcycle accident without helmet == dead
23:47 < ports_> dead
23:47 < sir_lewk> badly injured costs teh state more
23:48 < sir_lewk> and insurance companies, who lobby politicians
23:48 <@_Auron_> minus 4*3 because of equipment, so you have half that.. minus the 3 keys (silver, golden, jailor) that's 9, then I have a watergate key for a quest, that's down to 8.. dew's yarn (quest item part of two items), 7.. cloak of wind, down to 6.. echoing flute for finding crests (main part of the game), down to 5
23:48 <+krisk> lolcapitalism
23:48 < sir_lewk> lolocracy
23:48 <+krisk> cant you drop quest stuff you dont need any more?
23:48 <@_Auron_> krisk: not until you use them
23:49 <@_Auron_> and generally, no
23:49 <@_Auron_> the watergate key is used up when you use it since it's a one-time use, but the other keys open different doors throughout the entire world
23:50 <+krisk> ah
23:50 < ports_> ommm nom nom nom
23:50 < ports_> string cheese
23:50 <@_Auron_> lol
23:51 < ports_> im drinking a beer and eating string cheese
23:53 -!- mtgrss111 [~Administr@c-98-194-46-169.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #tcpa
23:53 < sir_lewk> excellent
23:53 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v mtgrss111] by Remius
23:53 <+mtgrss111> I just found an awesome vid.
23:53 <+mtgrss111> Only if jello was this cool
23:53 <+mtgrss111> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjFb8YBd7g
23:56 -!- Damakaru [~winterven@216.117.123.145] has joined #tcpa
23:57 <+krisk> with audio effects!
23:58 -!- neo22 [~nicholasm@72.82.227.170] has joined #tcpa
23:58 <+mtgrss111> lol
23:58 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@140.141.26.108] has joined #tcpa
23:58  * neo22 goes hunting for some programs for the AB calc test
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