--- Log opened Tue Jan 20 00:00:08 2009
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00:26  * Merthsoft has a robot to play with
00:26 < Merthsoft> :O
00:26 < Merthsoft> I somehow lost all my bookmarks
00:27 < Merthsoft> and i have no backups
00:27 < Merthsoft> and i can't get my toolbar
00:28 < Merthsoft> wtf
00:28 < Merthsoft> and i can't bookmark anything
00:29 < Merthsoft> oh they're back
00:30 <@chronomex> Merthsoft: del.icio.us ?
00:30 < Merthsoft> no
00:37 <@Andy_J> lol bookmarks
00:37 <@Andy_J> I just type in my URLs
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00:40 < Merthsoft> http://neebit.com/s?0080f770d8.flv
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00:43 <@Andy_J> lol
00:43 <@Andy_J> though I think that could possibly not be the cat
00:44 < Merthsoft> what is it?
00:44 <@Andy_J> a person?
00:45 < Merthsoft> no no, that's a cay
00:45 < Merthsoft> cat
00:45 < Merthsoft> people are bipdeal
00:45 < Merthsoft> pedal
00:45 < Merthsoft> and not covered in fur
00:46 < Merthsoft> http://www.cracked.com/article_16967_8-racist-words-you-use-every-day.html
00:48 <@chronomex> just read that
00:48 <@Andy_J> lol.
00:48 <@Andy_J> I meant someone off-camera could be making the noises
00:48 < Damakaru> My roommate is a hippie Ubuntu user.
00:48 <@Andy_J> You two should get along fine.
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00:52 < Damakaru> As long as he and his girlfriend keep the sex elsewhere, I'm fine.
00:54 < Merthsoft> i just tell my roommate to get lost
00:54 < Merthsoft> and if he brought a girl over, i'd let them alone
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00:57 <+krisk> join in
00:57 < Merthsoft> 2 guys 1 girl = gaaaaaay
01:11 < Damakaru> Bah, screw this.  *Goes back to Arch as primary OS.*  I just can't get used to Vista.  (And the whole Virtualbox thing didn't work out as I had planned because I RTFM'd late.)  :P
01:11 <+krisk> virtualbox sucks too
01:11 <+krisk> why not vmware?
01:12 < Damakaru> Don't I have to buy that?
01:12 <+krisk> only some release of it
01:12 < sir_lewk> I can haz landspeed record plz?
01:12 < Nikky> haha, ubuntu
01:13  * sir_lewk just drove from harrisburg to silverspring md in 1h45min
01:13 <+krisk> but yeah the awesome version is retail
01:13 < sir_lewk> the night before obama's election too
01:13 <+krisk> but uhm yeah i dont think software costing money is a huge obstacle
01:13 < Nikky> haha, Obama
01:13 <+krisk> haha, minutes
01:13 < sir_lewk> did 90-100 mph most of the way :D
01:13 <+Netham45> manual transmistions suck.
01:13 <+krisk> watwat my nick is back
01:13 <+krisk> im awesome
01:13 < sir_lewk> I have an auto
01:14  * Nikky kisses sir_lewk 
01:14 < Damakaru> krisk:  Now, get your own bot to keep your nick safe.  :P
01:14 <+Netham45> sir_lewk, all I have is a manual, and I suck at driving it. =/
01:14 < sir_lewk> :S
01:14 <+krisk> or just leave my pc on, which is needed if i bot on it too anyway
01:14 < sir_lewk> google maps says my trip shoulda taken ~2h40min
01:14 < sir_lewk> I rock
01:15 <+krisk> google maps is silly
01:15 <+Netham45> google maps told me a bus trip, that had a route/times planned to be like 10 minutes, was going to take me 50 minutes.
01:15 <+krisk> it gives me a 20km detour to amsterdam because it doesnt know that a specific 100 m bridge doesnt end halfway over the water
01:16 < sir_lewk> hahaha
01:16 < sir_lewk> google maps is pretty decent for the US east coast I find
01:16 <+Netham45> for driving, it works well here
01:16 <+krisk> :o they fixed it today, it was silly yesterday
01:16 < sir_lewk> NYC, Philly, DC, and anything in between
01:16 <+Netham45> but the bus scheduler sucks
01:16 <+krisk> oh wait still broken for walking/bike
01:16 <+krisk> http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Oevergriend&daddr=Stationsplein&hl=nl&geocode=FdaoHgMdGO1PAA%3BFWQ9HwMdnrxKAA&mra=ls&dirflg=w&sll=52.324901,5.151901&sspn=0.042334,0.077248&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=11
01:18 < sir_lewk> amsterdam is so pretty from the sky :o
01:18 < Nikky> Seattle is prettier.
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01:18 <+krisk> its even prettier from the streets of a few certain alleys
01:18 <+Netham45> you can't see Seattle from the sky, because the fucking rain clouds block it.
01:18 < Nikky> !k Netham45 Swearing.
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01:18 < sir_lewk> Nikky: all it does in seattle is rain
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01:19 < Nikky> Yep, it sure does.
01:19 < sir_lewk> kicking for autojoin is pretty silly ;P
01:19 < Nikky> Actually, we don't get that much rain.
01:19 < sir_lewk> oh yeah
01:19 < Nikky> The Olympic Mountains create a rainshadow that blocks it most of the time.
01:19 < sir_lewk> I was thinking of philly >.<
01:19 < Nikky> Now my family home... we do get a lot of rain there.
01:19 < Nikky> Since it's a little more south.
01:20 < Nikky> Seattle is cloudy, but not rainy. :)
01:20 < sir_lewk> ah, gotcha :)
01:20 < Nikky> I'm sorry your team lost.
01:20 < sir_lewk> philly is just nasty as shit most of the time
01:20 < Nikky> I was rooting for them!
01:20 < sir_lewk> my team?
01:20 < Nikky> Yes, nevermind.
01:20 < Nikky> You must not be american.
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01:20 < sir_lewk> oh, loolball
01:20 < Nikky> Speaking of unamerica, did I mention that Andy_J likes PHP?
01:21 < sir_lewk> haha
01:21 < sir_lewk> what I've seen of PHP just looks awful
01:22 <+krisk> dont judge till youve seen my php stuff
01:22 <+Netham45> yea, it'll make awful PHP look good.
01:23 <+krisk> and thus php not that bad after all
01:23 <+Netham45> your grammar bad.
01:23 < sir_lewk> lmao
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01:23 <+krisk> sir_lewk sir_lewk have you seen Ginger Snaps?
01:23 < sir_lewk> I figure there is just too much stuff out there to learn, I can't waste my time on something that's not nice
01:24 < sir_lewk> No!
01:24 < sir_lewk> what is it?
01:24 <+krisk> a horror movie
01:24  * sir_lewk googles
01:24 <+krisk> from what i hear its quite good
01:24 <+krisk> especially for a horror
01:25 <+krisk> and the dialogue is pretty genius
01:25 <+krisk> at least judging from the first 5 minutes of GS1
01:25 < sir_lewk> haha
01:25 < sir_lewk> yeah, this looks pretty good
01:25 < sir_lewk> I shall check it out methinks
01:25 <+krisk> im gonna watch it all later this week, was just wondering if maybe you had seen it and could give an opinion
01:26 < sir_lewk> 'fraid not :(
01:26 <+krisk> np. im thinking of asking friends over and make it a horrormovie night but they probably  wont get as much of a kick out of these goth chick suicide themes
01:27 <+krisk> and some of them are pretty awfull at recognizing cool things in movies like kickass dialogue or motives
01:27 <+krisk> one of the dumbasses couldnt figure out for the live of him why the bad guy ended up helping the good guy in 3:10 to Yuma >_<
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01:31 <+krisk> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4512745/The_Bro_Code_by_Barney_Stinson_from_How_I_Met_Your_Mother
01:31 <+krisk> haha yes
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01:38 < sir_lewk> few of my friends appreciated 6 String Samuria
01:38 < sir_lewk> superb film, totally off the wall
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01:51 < Ovan> is there a way to do something like '#include <stringvar>' in C++/
01:52 < Merthsoft> what's <stringvar> mean?
01:52 < Nikky> whatever you want it to mean
01:52 < Ovan> I mean
01:52 < Merthsoft> like string a = "library.h"; #include a
01:53 < Ovan> err, what I ment was a std::string variable as a include
01:53 < Ovan> yes
01:53 < Merthsoft> why do you want to? there's probably a better way
01:53 < Ovan> Probably not exactly like that
01:54 < Ovan> That's why I said "...is there a way...
01:54 < Merthsoft> right but why are you trying to do this
01:54 < Ovan> I'm pretty sure you can't just come out and include from a variable
01:54 < Merthsoft> all an include does is paste that file into where the #include is
01:55 < Ovan> simplify things, it's for a C++ lib I'm working on
01:55 < Merthsoft> you gotta be a little more specific. it seems like an odd thing to do
01:56 < Merthsoft> you could maybe #define a "library.h" #include a
01:56 < Ovan> Actually, I don't even know why I was thinking that >.<
01:56 < Ovan> I was going to have an external modules that people could plug into the library
01:57 < Ovan> and make there own by defining thing with a function while the function includes the modules
01:57 < Merthsoft> so you were gonna.... #include in the middle of a function?
01:58 <@Andy_J> Ovan: because #includes have to be done in the preprocessor
01:58 < Nikky> You're a preprocessor, PHPtard
01:58 <@Andy_J> You can't have C-language variables in the preprocessor -- that's trying to run code before it's compiled!
01:58 < Ovan> I don't know what I was thinking anymore >.>
01:58 < Merthsoft> #include happens before compiling
01:59 < Ovan> sorry ^^;
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02:37 <@_Auron_> hey guys,
02:40 <@_Auron_> nm
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02:54 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Goplat] by efneTI80
02:56 < Milyardo> Its a shame so many developers do not understand the concept of what the preprocessor is.
02:57 < millinao> http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/ComicArchive/137.htm
02:58 <@_Auron_> Milyardo: as simple as it is to do that, even.
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03:10 < millinao> should i install painkiller or cod4
03:11 < Merthsoft> both
03:12 <@_Auron_> oo there's a game I should install
03:12 <@_Auron_> call of duty, world at war
03:13 < millinao> they're both excellent games
03:14 < millinao> i can't wait for doom 4
03:15 < Spengo> world at war was eh
03:16 < Spengo> i didn't buy it
03:16 < Spengo> I don't really need another wwii shooter where everyone runs around with a thompson >:/
03:16 < Spengo> Red Orchestra is the only WWII game worth buying
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03:18 <@_Auron_> I need to be watching Lost though
03:21 < millinao> i'm going painkiller
03:28 < sir_lewk> painkillers == good
03:35 < i_c-Y> i think millinao is talking about the game
03:36 < sir_lewk> oh
03:36 < millinao> since I said "painkiller or cod4" like 10 lines up
03:36 < sir_lewk> nvm then, never played it
03:37 < millinao> it's like doom 2 but newer and awesome
03:37 < millinao> aka what doom 3 should have been
03:38 < sir_lewk> hmm
03:38 < millinao> oh and there's a gun that shoots shirukens and lightning
03:40 < sir_lewk> looks pretty cool
03:40 < millinao> it's music is awesome metal
03:41 < i_c-Y> link2soundtrack
03:45 < millinao> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGowI3yY2I
03:46 < millinao> my favourite is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOddnUfWyCo
03:49 < sir_lewk> yes, I will have to get this game
03:49 < millinao> hahah
03:49 < millinao> buy it and put it on steam tcpa
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03:50 < sir_lewk> is it on steam?
03:50 < millinao> yeah
03:50 < sir_lewk> coolio
03:50 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v rivereye] by efneTI86, efneTI85, SnowCrash
03:50 < millinao> i haven't created the account
03:50 <@efneTI92> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
03:53  * sir_lewk sleeps
03:55 < i_c-Y> the poles know how to make decent games
03:55 < i_c-Y> i want to play the witcher
03:56 <@_Auron_> 123456 pokemon!
03:56 < Tari> >.<
03:57 <@_Auron_> :D
03:57 < Tari> :))
04:06 < ports_> hi
04:08 <+Netham45> !t Welcome to TCPA | http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2736 | Tomorrow!
04:08 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to TCPA | http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2736 | Tomorrow!
04:14 < millinao> http://i43.tinypic.com/20fo8o.jpg
04:17 <@chronomex> hah
04:18 <@chronomex> for me on the homepage of tinypic, the image for the category "Holidays" is a screenshot
04:18 < ports_> hey
04:18 < ports_> can you guys see this?
04:18 <@chronomex> no
04:19 < millinao> barely
04:19 < ports_> ok
04:22 < millinao> "i was scared of what people would think...and i'm embarassed about that"
04:22 < millinao> great my friends are embarrased to be seen with me
04:25 < ports_> score
04:25 <@chronomex> http://i5.tinypic.com/2q0m0j5.jpg that's got to be uncomfortable
04:26 < ports_> the new logitech setpoint software for vista lets me assign keystrokes to the different MX Revolution buttons
04:26 < ports_> they didnt let you do that before
04:26 <@chronomex> millinao: ?
04:26 < millinao> the quote was from an IM about how someone was avoiding me
04:27 <@chronomex> ah
04:27 < Tari> there's a new version of it out?
04:27 < Tari> sweet
04:31 < Tari> 4.7
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04:40 <@chronomex> "Every country has McDonald's, a biological warfare arm of the U.S. military. No marines needed—we can get them with high cholesterol, wherever they are."
04:43 < i_c-Y> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRq6OSkLkKs
04:44 < millinao> what is this wtf
04:44 < i_c-Y> i saw it a while ago
04:44 < i_c-Y> then i purged it out of my mind
04:44 < i_c-Y> then someone brought it back
04:44 < i_c-Y> and now i have to poison the rest of you
04:44 < i_c-Y> because i want to share the pain
04:45 < millinao> thanks just by watching this i forgot a year of math classes
04:46 < i_c-Y> haha
04:46 < i_c-Y> its a good way to empty your brain i suppose
04:46 < i_c-Y> its like meditation for me because i get fury++ from idiots. 
04:46 < i_c-Y> or like a mana pool in MTG. it adds more mana, though my mana type is fury.
04:47 < i_c-Y> i can only take it in bursts
04:49 < i_c-Y> my question is why is the background blacked out and why the color temperature is changing
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04:54 <@chronomex> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=vo1kw2
04:56 < Damakaru> *Facepalms for not attempting to downgrade Catalyst in the first place.*
04:56 < ports_> im going to write a book
04:57 < ports_> it will be a book of rules
04:57 < ports_> rules on how to deal with people, situations, and awkwardness.
04:57 < ports_> rule #1.1 will be.. "Don't call people a vagina, if you don't want to make a scene."
04:57 < i_c-Y> chronomex: visit the youtube link above?
04:58 <@chronomex> i_c-Y: briefly
04:58 <@chronomex> i_c-Y: visit the tinypic link above?
04:58 < i_c-Y> your punishment for killing the easter bunny is to watch that looped
04:58 < i_c-Y> forever.
04:58 <@chronomex> OH GOD
04:58 < i_c-Y> with no chance of parole.
04:59 < i_c-Y> im kinda tempted to go into a computer lab and put that on loop 
04:59 < i_c-Y> just to hear people cringe
04:59 < i_c-Y> but im too nice for that.
04:59 < i_c-Y>  bbl sleep
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05:34 < millinao> speaking of mtg
05:34 < millinao> i want to play some
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06:09 < Spengo> hey you guys know what sucks about winter
06:09 < Spengo> no SKIRTS
06:09 < Spengo> I counted 6 total today and one of them was a fat so it doesn't count
06:10 < Spengo> 5 skirts out of all the girls at my university is a terrible ratio :/
06:11 <@_Auron_> psh
06:14 < Spengo> what
06:15  * _Auron_ continue sorting his software
06:15 <@_Auron_> continues*
06:15 < Spengo> you do that
06:15 < Spengo> all the girls want to wear tight jeans these days to show off their butts
06:15 < Spengo> I like to see legs better than ass, so I like skirts
06:20 < millinao> spengo you're a pervert
06:20 < millinao> :D
06:20 < Spengo> ...what?
06:20 < Spengo> millinao, when you get older you will understand :|
06:21 <@_Auron_> heh
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06:22 < Spengo> what did I say lasyt
06:22 < Spengo> last*
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06:25 < Spengo> anyways, liking legs is pretty normal... unless you are gay
06:26 < DSP_pda> lolwut.
06:26 < DSP_pda> !seen DSP_Lord
06:26 <@_Auron_> lmao
06:27 < DSP_pda> eh, screw it.
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06:39 < millinao> i'm not gay, but I don't notice women that much
06:40 < millinao> like i'll have a friend go "see that chick's ass" and I'll just go "so what :|"
06:40 < millinao> and I actually say colon pipe too
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07:01 < Spengo> millinao, you single?
07:01 < millinao> yeah
07:01 < Spengo> you been single for a long time?
07:01 < millinao> yeah
07:01 < Spengo> learn to girls!
07:01 < millinao> rofl
07:01 <@_Auron_> lol
07:02 < millinao> come to think of it, I've never been "going out" with someone
07:02 < millinao> I think the whole "Hey, let's be associated with eachother for two weeks before I choose someone else!" is really shallow and stupid
07:03 < Spengo> well, you'll never find out if you like a girl until you date her
07:03 < Spengo> the whole point of dating is to learn about each other
07:04 < millinao> high school dating is silly anyway
07:04 < Spengo> You can't just magically find the perfect girl and become life-long partners without actually LOOKING you see
07:04 < Spengo> I'm not in high school..
07:04 < millinao> I am
07:05 < Spengo> well the point of dating in high school is so you learn how to do it and can be more confident I guess
07:06 < millinao> i thought the point is to make teenage hormonal girls cry
07:06 < Spengo> I only ever had one girlfriend in high school, and I was kinda a loser the first couple years of college
07:07 < millinao> dunno
07:07 < millinao> i befriend all the girls i like :|
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07:09 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
07:10 < Spengo> millinao, are you fat?
07:10 < millinao> no
07:11 < Spengo> o well then, dress nicely, be clean, smell good
07:11 < millinao> does blue jeans and white tshirt every day count as dress nicely
07:11 < millinao> :D
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07:12 < Spengo> seems okay
07:13 < Spengo> as long as they aren't horribly dirty or something
07:13 < Spengo> also, slim jeans are sexier
07:13 < millinao> lol skinny pants
07:13 < leofox> omg skinny jeans
07:14 < leofox> 3 4 5 feestjes in mn skinny jeans
07:14 < millinao> did you really suggest skinny jeans
07:14 < millinao> really
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07:14 < Spengo> just like Levi's 511s you know
07:14 < Spengo> not super skinny emo pants
07:14 < millinao> i wear baggy jeans
07:15 < millinao> brb
07:15 < Spengo> I used to wear baggy cargo pants, still do sometimes
07:15 < leofox> jus normal jeans for me
07:15 < Spengo> but 511's are the best
07:16 < leofox> can't even get 511s here I think
07:16 < Spengo> also dark
07:16 < Spengo> none of that faggot fake faded ones
07:16 < leofox> I always get Jack Jones
07:16 < Spengo> I never had those
07:16 < leofox> http://www.jackjones.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/TopCategoriesDisplay?langId=110&storeId=11201&catalogId=10051&affiliate=google
07:17 < leofox> apparently they dont have those in the us
07:17 < Spengo> as long as you don't get pre-faded ones that looks okay
07:17 < leofox> I think im wearing pre faded ones
07:17 < leofox> it's like
07:18 < leofox> i can barely get pants at all in my size
07:18 < leofox> so as long as the brand is good and I fit them I wont be picky
07:19 < Spengo> what cologne do you use millinao 
07:19 < Spengo> and leofox I guess
07:19 < millinao> i don't use cologne
07:19 < millinao> i just don't smell bad
07:19 < Spengo> leofox is a dirty european who doesn't bathe so he has to
07:19 < leofox> ffs spengo
07:19 < Spengo> :>
07:19 < leofox> I dont say that stuff about your country
07:19 < millinao> axe body spray and the like smells really, really bad to me
07:20 <@_Auron_> heh
07:20 < Spengo> what.... axe is for 13yo kids
07:20 < leofox> I use axe sometimes its pretty good for the price
07:20 <@_Auron_> axe + lighter = flamethrower
07:20 < millinao> it's what 99% of the guys of my class use
07:20 <@_Auron_> :D
07:20 < Spengo> well they fail then
07:20 < leofox> i also have like french stuff
07:20 < Spengo> get some real man perfume, like Polo Black
07:20 < leofox> but it smells so strongly
07:20 < millinao> spengo, everyone around me fails
07:20 < Spengo> Blue is also okay
07:20 <@_Auron_> axe + sword + lighter = fire sword
07:20 < Spengo> but black is muskier and more manly
07:21 < leofox> fuck man perfume
07:21 < leofox> axe isnt even that, its deodorant
07:21 < leofox> and im not paying 20 bucks for deodorant
07:21 < Spengo> deoderant that smells bad
07:21 <@_Auron_> 20 bucks O.o
07:21 <@_Auron_> it's like $4 for a can. at least here anyways
07:21 < Spengo> the only deoderant you need is a original speedstick
07:21 <@_Auron_> I use rightguard
07:22 < Spengo> sounds okay
07:22 < leofox> Polo Blue?
07:22 < leofox> what brand
07:22 <@_Auron_> ?
07:22 < millinao> i use speedstick
07:22 < Spengo> ralph lauren
07:22 <+Netham45> speedstick.
07:23 <@_Auron_> ugh, ralph lauren
07:23 < leofox> man that is expensive stuff here
07:23 < Spengo> how much?
07:23 < leofox> dunno
07:24 < leofox> polo black eau de toilette
07:24 < leofox> 42,95 eu
07:24 < Spengo> that is expensive
07:24 < leofox> thats 56$
07:24 < Spengo> it's usually $35-40 here
07:24 < leofox> for 40 ml
07:24 < leofox> and this is an online store
07:25 < leofox> i expect it to be more expensive in retail stores
07:25 < Spengo> $30 if you go to the right places
07:25 <+Netham45> !t Welcome to TCPA | http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2736 | Today!
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07:25 < leofox> YES WE CAN
07:25 < leofox> YES WE CAN
07:25 < leofox> CHANGE HAS COME TO AMERIBUTTS
07:25 <+Netham45> better than George Bush
07:26 <+Netham45> he's the head butt.
07:26 <+Netham45> :(
07:26 < Spengo> don't know if he's better than bush yet or not
07:26 < leofox> it's not that hard to be better than bush
07:26 <+Netham45> the AI in Left 4 Dead would be better than Bush.
07:26 < leofox> all you have to do is start less than 2 wars
07:26 <+Netham45> ^^
07:26 < Spengo> bush had his run stomping all over the constitution, and absolutely crushing the 4th, we'll see how obama does
07:28 < leofox> of course this mess isnt just because of bush
07:28 < leofox> its also because of the greedy capitalist bankers
07:28 <+Netham45> true
07:28 < Spengo> cliton started it actually
07:28 < Spengo> clinton
07:28 <+Netham45> lol cliton
07:28 < Spengo> bush did not help though
07:28 < leofox> my bank has been bought by the state now
07:28 < leofox> well clinton had a good economic policy
07:29 < leofox> the national debt wasnt nearly as hueg as now
07:29 < Spengo> ehhh...
07:29 < leofox> I know i know he wasted money on useless crap
07:29 < leofox> but at least he didnt start a war
07:29 <+Netham45> 2 wars*
07:29 < leofox> yeah that
07:29 < Spengo> yeah, war is where all the $ in this country goes
07:29 <+Netham45> and the fucking bailout plan
07:30 < Spengo> DO NOT MENTION IT
07:30 < leofox> "So mr Leofox tell us your economic policy"
07:30 < Spengo> fffffffff
07:30 <+Netham45> seriously?
07:30 < Spengo> I don't really like obama's economic policies, they are rather communist, but if he doesn't start any more wars that might make up for it :P
07:30 < leofox> "well to save money im going to start just one war, much cheaper than two"
07:30 <+Netham45> well
07:30 <+Netham45> the bailout plan was necessarry
07:30 < Spengo> no it wasn't
07:30 <@_Auron_> hmm that's rather odd
07:30 <+Netham45> well
07:30 < Spengo> let them die
07:30 < Spengo> they deserve to die
07:31 <@_Auron_> this can had stuff on the outside of the can and the drink is a bit flat
07:31 <+Netham45> the implementation of it wasn't, it was kind of pathetic, but it was necessary in some form.
07:31 < Spengo> no free government nanny to get money from
07:31 < Spengo> no it wasn't
07:31 <+Netham45> they NEEDED the money, or the US economy would have crumbled.
07:31 <+Netham45> even more than it allready did.
07:31 < Spengo> I doubt it would be worse
07:31 <@_Auron_> lol.
07:32 <@_Auron_> I shall return, going to replug my other hdd
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07:33 <+Netham45> psh
07:33 <+Netham45> real men just hotswap the drives.
07:33 < millinao> you gotta do it really fast
07:34 <+Netham45> yea
07:34 <+Netham45> make sure you shove the molex connectors in upside down too.
07:34 <+Netham45> the +5v and +12v rails being inverted will make the drive boot faster.
07:43 < bsparks> this sucks :(
07:43 < bsparks> I hate making trivial decisions
07:43 < Nikky> Spengo: What's wrong with communism?
07:43 < Spengo> haven't you heard Nikky? Communism is evil!
07:43 <+Netham45> bsparks, choclate bar, or twix bar? :P
07:44 < Nikky> Shut up Netham45 
07:44 < Spengo> communists always lose to FREEDOM and JUSTICE
07:44 < bsparks> Netham45, USBCell or Energizer Rechargeable 
07:44 <+Netham45> I don't know what USBCell is
07:44 < bsparks> obviously, you fail at life
07:44 < Nikky> He does.
07:45 < bsparks> http://www.usbcell.com/
07:45 < bsparks> the problem is the mAh of the batteries, I can charge the USBCell batts anywhere, but the energizer ones only in a charger. So, do I go with the 1300mAh USBCell or the 2000mAh Energizer?
07:46 < millinao> Hey, communism works fine for small scale
07:46 < millinao> kibbutzim are awesome
07:47 <+Netham45> bsparks, get the energizers and http://www.energizer.com/usbcharger/language/english/download.aspx
07:47 < bsparks> I have the energizers, and the usbcell
07:47 < bsparks> I don't want to carry around my camera AND a usb charger
07:48 <+Netham45> stick the extra batteries in your pocket
07:48 < bsparks> ehh
07:48 <+Netham45> if the usbcell ones die, then pull out the energizers.
07:48 <+Netham45> then you get 3300mAH!
07:49 < bsparks> this is true
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07:49 <@efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin.
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07:49 <+Netham45> if you have a USB port, then you probabally have a laptop with you, which probabally has a laptop bag, so you can just throw them in that.
07:50 < bsparks> No, no laptop
07:50 <+Netham45> or are you going to go to random people and bum USB power?
07:50 < bsparks> if I am chilling at a buddies house, yes
07:50 <@chronomex> and library computers
07:50 <@chronomex> and school computers
07:50 < bsparks> indeed
07:50 <@_Auron_> usb power for what
07:50 < bsparks> _Auron_, Do you think the convience of the USBCell outweighs the 700mAh difference when compared to my usual Energizer rechargables?
07:50 <@chronomex> my phone doesn't charge with USB, and I wish it did
07:51 <@_Auron_> the usb battery?
07:51 <+Netham45> mine does, but it takes 5x as long as the charger.
07:51 <+Netham45> and since I have a car/wall/spare wall charger, I almost never use USB.
07:51 < _Digital> my server is running hot again :(
07:51 <+Netham45> but, it's 1 AM, so I gotta go to bed.
07:51 <+Netham45> night guys.
07:51 <@_Auron_> lol
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07:55 < _Digital> shit
07:56 < millinao> ?
07:56 < _Digital> apparently I need to use double escape characters when I pass a few thigns through my scripts
07:56 < _Digital> recorded  The Big Bang Theory
07:56 < _Digital> I passed the string The\ Big\ Bang\ Theory
07:56 < _Digital> nd instead of creating 1 folder, it created 4
07:57 < _Digital> and the file didn't get named correctly either
07:57 < _Digital> never thought to test that...
07:58 < millinao> i think the problem doesn't lie with the syntax, i think it lies in that you were recording the big bang theory
07:58 < _Digital> I only caught the first couple episodes of teh first season so I wanted to see how the second is
07:58 < _Digital> but yeah, point taken
07:59 <@_Auron_> lol
08:01 < millinao> the show is about what stupid people think smart people are like
08:02 < _Digital> I'm all to aware of what that is like in real life though
08:13 < millinao> still
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08:21 < _Digital> holy f*ck this is stupid
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08:22 <@_Auron_> ?
08:22 < _Digital> TBBT
08:27 < Spengo> ohhhhh
08:27 < Spengo> what the hell
08:27 < Spengo> don't you hate it when you think that a huge project to write an assembler and virtual machine is due tomorrow and you haven't started on it?
08:27 < Spengo> buuut then you learn it's actually due NEXT tuesday
08:27 < Spengo> phew :D
08:28 < Spengo> say BrandonW, ever used pidgin?
08:28 < Spengo> not the chat program
08:28 < Spengo> the assembly language
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08:47 < _Digital> BMW pushing diesel in the US?
08:47 < _Digital> wow, that is a commercial I never thought I'd see
08:55 < nicolas> morning everyone
08:56 < nicolas> _Digital: why not?
08:56 < _Digital> that was about 56 minutes ago
08:56 < _Digital> why not what nicolas?
08:56 < nicolas> you didn't think you'd ever see BMW pushing diesel in the states?
08:57 < _Digital> the US has it in there heads that diesel is dirty than gasoline 
08:57 < _Digital> mostly because of teh soot produced
08:58 < nicolas> well, in one particular aspect it does.. yes, the soot, too many particulates
08:58 < nicolas> but now there's the FAP
08:58 < _Digital> yeah, but gaseous emmisions, it is a hell of a lot better
08:58 < nicolas> which burns it all out
08:58 < nicolas> indeed, and mileage, is a hell of a lot better, so you'd still win overall
08:58 < _Digital> that and diesel is nicely more efficient
08:59 < nicolas> my car does 64mpg on average
08:59 < _Digital> I drive a '97 Passat TDI. Best I've gotten on the hilly-ish drive is 52
09:00 < _Digital> my average is 49 to 50
09:00 < nicolas> oh, I also live in the hills
09:00 < nicolas> but my car is 2005
09:01 < nicolas> and in recent years they've progressed a lot
09:01 < nicolas> Passat, I like that car... we used to have one ... when I was little
09:02 < nicolas> I want a Golf though :D
09:02 < nicolas> (hmm.. called Rabbit, in the US I believe)
09:02 <@E-J> if i would need to buy a car i would buy smart fortwo
09:03 < _Digital> depends on year, but iirc the golf and rabbits are two differnt models
09:03 < _Digital> that may have changed
09:03 < nicolas> E-J: I would do that only if you live in a heavily congested city
09:03 < _Digital> it is funny how a 90hp vehicle cant beat 2 "hot" drivers off the line and up a freeway onramp
09:03 <@E-J> but cars are expensive, gas is expensive and local transport works
09:04 < nicolas> _Digital: well, many times, the ability of the driver counts a lot too, not just the engine
09:04 < _Digital> standard transmission helps too
09:04 < nicolas> mine is a 90hp as well, and I consistantly beat people off the line and stuff, although their bmw's and mercedes then catch up to me :(
09:05 < nicolas> _Digital: of course, most cars here have manual transmission, automatic has only started making a break in the market in the past 1.5 years
09:05 < _Digital> well if you are in front of them, they stay away from teh smoke ;)
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09:05 < _Digital> nicolas, over here auto is dominant
09:05 < nicolas> I know, and I hate it!
09:05 <@E-J> nicolas: well, there are congestions every work day at 7 to 9 and 16 to 17 or so in every ringway and other big roads here
09:06 < _Digital> I'd estimate about 90% of all vehicles regularly dirve are automatic
09:06 < nicolas> I was driving my ex-gf truck while I was there... bleh
09:06 <@E-J> not congestions like in germany but lots of cars
09:06 < nicolas> plus it was 2.2 engine, felt like 1.0 :p
09:07 < nicolas> I was surprised when I popped the hood and saw 2200 written on the engine.. dman chevvy crap
09:07 < _Digital> I have a 96km round trip I make 5 days a wekk. About 85 are on freeway
09:07 < _Digital> lol
09:07 < _Digital> 1.9l here
09:07 < nicolas> mine's 1.6
09:07 < _Digital> that is why you get 64mpg
09:07 < nicolas> then have 110hp version, but mine's 90hp...
09:08 < nicolas> uses a bit less... yeah, my dad as the 2.0 one, 135hp
09:08 < nicolas> smoother drive
09:08 < nicolas> but uses a bit more
09:08 <@E-J> hmmm is that real "64 miles per gallon = 3.67522786 liters per 100 km"
09:09 < _Digital> I wasn't that far off from putting a taller 5th gear in. I'm worried my CV joints on my front suspension are going out
09:09 < _Digital> imperial gallons or US
09:09 < nicolas> E-J: sounds about right
09:09 <@E-J> that's nothing
09:10 < nicolas> I know, I thought it would have been more, the car is rated 4.4 L/100
09:10 < nicolas> or something like that
09:10 <@E-J> yep
09:10 < nicolas> seems it likes my driving
09:11 <@E-J> apparently 4.4l/100 is 64 mpg-imp
09:12 <@E-J> google uses normally us-gallon
09:12 <@E-J> nicolas: how's gas and diesel there?
09:12 < nicolas> 1.05-1.1 euro
09:12 < nicolas> for diesel
09:13 < _Digital> 4.4l per 100km == 53.4579mpg according to my TI89
09:13 < nicolas> 3-4 cents higher for gas
09:13 <@E-J> hmm, we have cheaper diesel :)
09:14 < nicolas> _Digital: well, I can't say for sure if it's us or imperial, but my car shows 64mpg when I put miles as its units...
09:14 < _Digital> we used to have diesel cheaper than gas, but as of a couple years ago, that changed
09:14 < nicolas> butI can't remember what it shows for km :P
09:14 <@E-J> averages: 95 is 1.147, 98 1.178 and diesel 0.978
09:14 < nicolas> might be 4.4
09:14 < _Digital> nicolas, imp sounds right
09:14 < _Digital> your car is stock nicolas?
09:15 <@E-J> nicolas: do you drive using miles so that you look speed limits as mile speed limits?-)
09:16 < nicolas> E-J: damn, you caught me!
09:16 < nicolas> _Digital: yes
09:16 < nicolas> _Digital: I don't have the money to modify shit :P
09:16 < _Digital> then it is imperial gallons
09:17 < _Digital> I used _galUK on my 89 and it popped out 64
09:17 <@E-J> then again you live in italia were traffic is crazy
09:18 <@E-J> finns only ignore yellow light, crosswalks and speedlimits (with +10km/h)
09:18 < _Digital> I usually add 10mph to the speed limit
09:19 < nicolas> _Digital: seems like a lot of people do tha in the US at least on the freeways
09:19 <@E-J> petty fine limit is mostly speedlimit + 10 km/h
09:19 < _Digital> don't get me started. Most people here are idiots
09:20 <@E-J> it's funny to go to sweden where drivers actually stop when pedestrian is standing in front of crosswalk
09:21 <@E-J> in finland they stop if pedestrian is walking along crosswalk
09:22 <@E-J> nicolas: btw it's extremely good time to buy a flat in finland :)
09:24 <@chronomex> I would move, then, except that I don't speak any human language other than english
09:24 < _Digital> homan langueage?
09:24 < _Digital> what else do you speak in C#?
09:25 < _Digital> Assembly?
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09:25 < _Digital> Python, Perl?
09:25 <@E-J> chronomex: most people here speak at least bad english
09:25 <@E-J> and i know americans can speak that too
09:25 <@chronomex> hahahaha
09:26 < _Digital> E-J, not that far off
09:26 <@chronomex> _Digital: C, bit perl, bit asm, bit LISP
09:26 <@chronomex> but mostly C and LISP
09:26 < _Digital> yeah, wouldn't be surprised if you had a lisp :P
09:26 <@E-J> i just heard some days ago that nokia was hiring c people
09:26 <@chronomex> nice!
09:26 <@chronomex> _Digital: hah, cute
09:27 < _Digital> not A or B people?
09:27 < _Digital> sorry if I'm in such a corny mood
09:28 <@chronomex> :P
09:29 <@E-J> actually it was people who have programmed c in linux
09:32 <@chronomex> well, that works for me
09:37 <@E-J> maybe only problem for you is flight costs
09:38 <@E-J> http://blog.uncool.in/2009/01/19/computer-science-fail-higher-education-in-india/
09:53 < _Digital> grr
09:54 < _Digital> this only happens on Fox's HD broadcast
09:54 < _Digital> they display 60fps
09:54 < _Digital> progressive
09:54 < _Digital> but the odd frame is offset by 1 pixel
09:55 < _Digital> do on certain content, I swear my eyes are jittering up and down.
10:02 < _Digital> nicolas, are you still up?
10:13 < nicolas> yes
10:13 < nicolas> it's 11:13 here
10:15 < nicolas> and i'm at work, so you ar right, chances are I may be snoozing :D
10:16 < _Digital> I wish I could remember why I was looking for you 
10:26 <@E-J> because of his "good" looks?
10:26  * _Digital points out that IRC is text-based
10:27 < _Digital> it was something about diesel
10:27 < _Digital> !
10:27 < _Digital> nicolas, how big is your tank?
10:28 < _Digital> oh and E-J, I happen to be doing a day of training for our new manager
10:28 <@E-J> hmmm?
10:29 < _Digital> at work that is. Funny thing is that even though I'm fairly proficient at what I do, I don't train anyone
10:29 < _Digital> that and I already get teh feeling that our personalities won't mesh too well
10:29 <@E-J> heh
10:30 < _Digital> that was unfortunately confirmed a little bit when one of my peers who's had the manager shadowing her, is worried for me
10:30 <@E-J> i was almost making comparison to pasila, but i don't know if you watched that youtube link i pasted
10:30 < _Digital> no, I didn't
10:30 < _Digital> I have a few minutes before food and sleep
10:31 <@E-J> there head character doesn't get well with his boss, which is schitzofrenic and uses drugs
10:31 < _Digital> hehe
10:32 < _Digital> well, analogous to my nick here, I'm pretty distinct on who I get a long with, or at least with those who can get a long with me
10:32 <@E-J> :)
10:33 <@E-J> were you analogous with your nick at school?
10:33 < _Digital> I have some medical issues I need to fix before I get back in school
10:34 <@E-J> ok
10:34 < _Digital> I've been out for about 2 years. One of the hardest decisions I've had to make
10:34 < _Digital> but, it's life
10:34 < _Digital> I have a tendency for bending the rules too. Not too much, but enough that I could get in a bit of trouble. It is ironic that my past two reviews have it marked down that I require little follow up if any
10:35  * _Digital gets some grub
10:35 <@E-J> i meant we have course digital control which is for most people so difficult that they get grade in binary (normal scale is 0 to 5)
10:35 <@E-J> i failed it 1 time and second time i got 1
10:35 < _Digital> that sucks
10:36 <@E-J> in analog control i passed it immediatelly and got 3
10:37 < _Digital> well, when I was in school going over electronics, the profs generally left me alone because I finish early and correctly. THough half teh time I knew the answer without creating teh circuits. Not sure if that is a good thing
10:38 < _Digital> anywho, I wake in less than 8 and I generall prefer to get 9
10:38  * _Digital goes off to food and sleep
10:38 <@E-J> good night
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11:23 <+krisk> question: does vista offload all ui rendering to gpu or only movies?
11:29 <@benryves> krisk: Everything is composited in hardware. I believe legacy GDI is done in software, but new APIs such as WPF are done in hardware.
11:29 <+krisk> so milkdrop for example wouldnt be hardware rendered?
11:31 <@benryves> What's milkdrop?
11:32 <@benryves> If you're talking about some Winamp plugin, that lists pixel shaders as a feature, so that's going to be hardware accelerated by definition.
11:32 < nicolas> E-J: why did you put "good" in quotes >:[
11:32 <+krisk> hmm i think ive always seen it use shittons of cpu
11:33 <@benryves> krisk: Probably because the analysis of the music is more expensive than the actual graphical output?
11:34 <+krisk> hmm could be
11:36 <@benryves> The default OpenGL runs through Direct3D too, which is pretty cool. :P
11:36 <+krisk> huh lol
11:37 <@benryves> (That's the built in thing that used to go via a software renderer, if you install OpenGL drivers for your video card it goes via those instead of course).
11:37 <+krisk> sadly it needs winamp
11:43 <@E-J> nicolas: i didn't want to sound gay
11:44 <@benryves> krisk: Winamp can play back from "Stereo Mix"/"What U Hear", can't it?
11:44 <+krisk> yeah linein://
11:47 <+krisk> ..which apparently distorts all audio terribly because I cant find the mute button
11:57 <+krisk> :(((
11:59 <@benryves> Looks like there's a WMP/Media Center port of MilkDrop
12:01 <+krisk> i hate it when people say to call them at a specific day and time and then dont answer for hours
12:06 <+krisk> wth this used to work fine in winamp
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12:16 <+krisk> stupid failamp
12:16 <@benryves> Mm, I just have 2.7 installed.
12:24 <+krisk> and stupid friend
12:27 <@E-J> benryves: how long from london is stonehenge (hours or km)
12:27 <@benryves> E-J: No idea.
12:28 <@E-J> you haven't ever been there?
12:28 <@benryves> Nope.
12:28 <@E-J> oh
12:28 <@E-J> figures, i guess
12:28 <@benryves> Even if it is a magic place, where the moon doth rise with a dragon's face.
12:30 <@E-J> i haven't ever been on sibelius park, which is maybe _the_ place in finland where all the tourists go
12:30 <@E-J> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibelius_monument
12:30 <@benryves> http://maps.live.com/#JnJ0cD1wb3Muc2toeWZ2Z3pwZnhxX0xvbmRvbiUyYytVS19fX2VfJTdlcG9zLnNod3p6MWd2ZHk2M19TdG9uZWhlbmdlJTJjK1VLX19fZV8mcnRvcD0xJTdlMA== "85.2 mi, 2 hr"
12:30 <@benryves> Ah :D
12:31 <+krisk> i never had sex with someone at the red light district which is where apparanetly a lot of tourists go
12:31 <@E-J> and i have lived all my life in distance of 20 km or so from that place
12:31 <@benryves> E-J: Well, Live Maps has a pretty decent satellite photo if you zoom all the way in on B. :P
12:32 <+krisk> bah you would think that someone would be able to answer his phone somewhere in a span of 3 hours no matter what
12:32 <@E-J> benryves: well for me it directs to maps.live.fi and doesn't show that trip
12:33 <@benryves> E-J: Oh. :\ Sorry.
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12:34 <@benryves> E-J: Actually, you're right, I copied and pasted the URL into IE to see if it stored some session data (as I did the search in Opera). Looks like it only works if you paste that URL into IE.
12:35 <+krisk> double clicking it to open in ff works here
12:35 <+krisk> at least, i see Driving directions: London, UK to Stonehenge, UK
12:35 <@benryves> Bleh.
12:35 <@benryves> Yeah, works in Firefox for me too, just not Opera.
12:35 <@E-J> not in my ie or seamonkey
12:36 <@E-J> i could try konqueror but i doubt
12:36 <@benryves> Either way, it's supposed to be extremely underwhelming.
12:36 <+krisk> probably messed up by tourists
12:36 <+krisk> dirty, carvings, graffiti, some hippies sitting on one of the bigger rocks, etc
12:37 <@E-J> "Web browser and Live Maps are incompatible
12:37 <@E-J> The Web browser on this computer and Live Maps may not work well together.
12:37 <@E-J> To continue, install a browser that is more compatible with Live Maps. Or, continue to use Live Maps with your current browser, keeping in mind that some features may not work correctly."
12:37 <@E-J> \o/
12:37 <@benryves> Woo. :D
12:38 <@benryves> I just like Live Maps as it has great satellite photos of London.
12:39 <@E-J> they have great bird eye photos of helsinki area too
12:41 <+krisk> omg he called me back just when im downstairs fixing lunch for 2 minutes
12:43 <@E-J> http://maps.live.fi/?cp=60.17373625538235~24.809052132797063&scene=11652005&style=b&lvl=1&dir=0&tilt=-90&alt=-1000 if this works, i live on that small block, my balcony is lowest one near that black hole that is door on left
12:44 <@E-J> damn it moves north to up
12:44 <@E-J> watch picture so that west is up
12:45 <@E-J> picture might tell why tapiola is called as garden city
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12:47 <+krisk> cool
12:47 <@benryves> E-J: Heh, nice. :D
12:47 <+krisk> the area of this city where i live has a lot of trees n stuff like that too
12:48 <+krisk> though right now theyre all bare
12:49 <@benryves> E-J: How did you make a copy of the URL?
12:50 <@E-J> there is a link "jaa" which is about "share" in top of picture on right
12:50 <+krisk> http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=sqq317hf2zmk&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=12335818&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
12:50 <@E-J> near "print"
12:51 <@benryves> E-J: Well spotted. :P
12:52 <+krisk> http://24.132.239.72/omgilivehere.JPG
12:52 <@benryves> Heh :)
12:53 <+krisk> one of the red cars at A is probably my dad's heh
12:53 <+krisk> ok i go byebye
12:54 <@E-J> flat roofs, not so good, houses though look nicer than these finnish congrete blocks
12:58 <@benryves> http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=sjvx79gzrh7b&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=16060775&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&where1=Croydon&encType=1 <- heh, Croydon is not exactly pretty.
12:59 < nicolas> stonehenge is underwhelming
12:59 < nicolas> it's tiny ... looks like playmobile toy set
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12:59 <@E-J> like on spinal tap?-)
12:59 < nicolas> i guess it's because all the pics make it look ominous
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13:33 <@E-J> benryves: apparently it's so ugly that maps.live.fi won't allow me to see it
13:33 <@E-J> still loading
13:33 <@benryves> E-J: Haha :D
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13:40 < nicolas> E-J: I have real pics of me there.. if you were to care
14:01 <@E-J> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/01/20/bulletflight_iphone/
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14:21 < ports-> hi
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14:22 <@benryves> ..bye?
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14:26 < sir_lewk> hello
14:27 <@benryves> Wotcha sir_lewk, how's it going?
14:28 < sir_lewk> not too bad
14:28 < sir_lewk> brb, getting coffee
14:29 < ports-> whats up
14:32 <@benryves> wb ports- :) Not much, you?
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14:35 < Ox40Work> ohmygod
14:35 < Ox40Work> I have a job offer at the Medical College....
14:36 < Ox40Work> Doing Help-Desk stuff.... But they are looking at Resumes right now - I dont have one!
14:37 <@benryves> Write one, then?
14:37 <@benryves> Résumés are only short.
14:39 < Ox40Work> meh, these are nerds..
14:39 < Ox40Work> I need a good one
14:40 < ports-> oh
15:13 <@E-J> http://jalopnik.com/5134488/presidential-gatling-gun+equipped-suburban-badder-than-new-cadillac-limo
15:14 <@benryves> Hm, is it time to stick the ribbon interface gratuitously on every app yet?
15:17 <@E-J> ha, friend had visa interview for trip to usa on helsinki (he lives in jyväskylä), 5 at morning he left, 8h in car, 1 hour wait incl. 40 minutes outside (it's cold outside), and after that interview which goes "do you play in some band" "yes" "have you been in usa before" "yes" "so, welcome again"
15:17 <@benryves> Heh
15:18 <@benryves> My sister says she was asked if she was a member of the Nazi party when she went through the USA.
15:19 < ports-> haha
15:24 < Ox40Work> Anyone know CSS enough to get DT and DD to group in a DL
15:25 < ports-> what
15:25 <@benryves> "Group"?
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15:27 <@benryves> Ox40Work: What do you mean by "group"? :\
15:28 < Ox40Work> hold on
15:28 <@Andy_J> HOUR AND A HALF
15:30 < Ox40Work> http://ox40.us/resume.html
15:30 < Ox40Work> looks fine in FF, IE makes the DL break
15:31 <@E-J> maybe only way is some javascript trick that uses different code when ie is used
15:31 <@benryves> E-J: Ick, at least use conditional comments.
15:32 < Ox40Work> there has to be a way...
15:32 <@benryves> *{ margin: 0; padding: 0; } /* This can't end well */
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15:32 < Ox40Work> benryves: uh... go into #css and ask what you should start your CSS file with
15:32 < Ox40Work> do it.
15:32 < Ox40Work> I bet they say *{ margin: 0; padding: 0; }
15:33 <@E-J> hmm that doesn't look good in konqueror either
15:33 < Ox40Work> meh
15:33 <@E-J> personal information is on gray area
15:33 <@Andy_J> Ox40Work: That doesn't mean that #css is right.
15:34 < Ox40Work> E-J: eeew... :(
15:35 <@E-J> benryves: i'm ircing in finnish and english same time in different channels and my old brains aren't fast enough to switch languages between them so sometimes i might think sentences in finnish and translate them to english
15:36 <@benryves> E-J: Heh :P
15:36 < sir_lewk> being bilingual must be so cool :)
15:36 < sir_lewk> basically you can think in either language if you want too?  I can't even imagine what that'd be like
15:36 <@E-J> i'm not exactly bilingual, because my english is much worse than finnish
15:37 < sir_lewk> meh, everyone's english is bad except for the English's english ;)
15:37 <@benryves> sir_lewk: ye lol init.
15:37 < sir_lewk> O.o
15:37 <@E-J> but i can think how to put words in line if i think words in same language
15:38 < sir_lewk> I know one word of spanish:  "No"
15:38 <@benryves> sir_lewk: That's about the quality of English you'd find from your typical English teenager.
15:38 < sir_lewk> ;D
15:39 < sir_lewk> ah, silly teenagers
15:39 <@E-J> sir_lewk: but not "cerveza"?
15:39 < sir_lewk> :O
15:39 < sir_lewk> lolno
15:39 <@benryves> Las cucarachas entran, pero no pueden salir.
15:39 <@E-J> almost every finn know how to say "uno cezveza"
15:39 < sir_lewk> my spanish education was horrible
15:39 <@E-J> cerveza*
15:40 < sir_lewk> oh, I also know "taco".  that's not proper spanish afaic though
15:40 <@E-J> i don't understand spanish at all, i understand and speak little german and little swedish
15:40 < sir_lewk> tex-mex food, so it's really an english word
15:41 <@E-J> sir_lewk: you maybe know one finnish word too
15:41 < sir_lewk> oh?
15:41 <@benryves> Perkele? :P
15:42 < sir_lewk> I'm absolutely horrid at languages
15:42 <@E-J> benryves: sauna
15:42 <@benryves> E-J: Oh. A bit tamer, I suppose.
15:43  * mokomull <3 bootable USB drive... yay Linux in a computer lab :)
15:43 <@E-J> sir_lewk: incl. english, c, java, basic?-)
15:43 < sir_lewk> :P
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15:43 < sir_lewk> english yes, I'm horrible with that
15:44 < sir_lewk> I'm decent with C.  TIBASIC I'm pretty good with.  C++ I'm meh
15:44 < sir_lewk> perl I'm pretty decent at.  just beginning though
15:44 <@benryves> Z80 assembly?
15:44 < sir_lewk> lolno :D
15:44 <@E-J> but some words that you use in english are in finnish too, they're mostly though pronounced differently and mean different things
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15:45 < sir_lewk> I can stumble through a hello world program in z80 assembler. that's about it
15:45 <@benryves> E-J: http://www.english-for-students.com/Finnish-Loan-Words.html <- haha.
15:45 <@E-J> benryves: indeed :)
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15:45 <@benryves> (How is Nokia pronounced in Finland? With a short o or a long o?)
15:45 < sir_lewk> I know those words! :D
15:46 <@E-J> short
15:46 < sir_lewk> "No-key-ah"
15:46 <@benryves> E-J: Short o in the UK, too, though I've heard some people pronounce it Noh-key-a
15:46 <@E-J> short i and short a too
15:46 < sir_lewk> and "saw-naw"
15:47 <@E-J> in finnish words are pronounced like they are written, so one o is short o and 2 o's is long o
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15:48 < sir_lewk> neat
15:48 <@E-J> sir_lewk: nah, au is like some people would prounce "wow"
15:49 < millinao> fuuck i can't watch the inauguration
15:50 < millinao> stupid school
15:50 <@E-J> like here http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wow
15:50 <@benryves> English isn't phonetic, however much the US claim it is when trying to justify their alternative spellings, hence the beauty of -ough
15:50 <@E-J> benryves: yep, and that's why it's more difficult than finnish :)
15:51 <@E-J> though finnish have other maybe difficult things
15:52 <@E-J> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vesi#Declension_2 like you might see here declesion of word vesi (water)
15:52 < sir_lewk> english is just insane.  My old english teacher used to explain things away by saying "It's like that because a bunch of proper old english ladies said so, ARE YOU GOING TO ARGUE WITH A BUNCH OF OLD ENGLISH LADIES!!?!?!?!?!?"
15:53 < sir_lewk> he was a little crazy ;)
15:53 <@E-J> "little"?
15:55 < sir_lewk> :)
15:55 < sir_lewk> he nearly got chased out of the school district several times for a few stunts he pulled
15:55 <@benryves> "Lieutenant" is a fun one.
15:55 <@benryves> Oh? Haha :D
15:56 < sir_lewk> he missed some kids head with a stapler that he threw when I had him.  it put a nice sized hole in the wall instead
15:57 < sir_lewk> (missed by an inch or two)
15:57 < sir_lewk> then he broke his door off the hinges...
15:58 < sir_lewk> he also loved to pick the most morbid stories possible for the class to read
15:58 < sir_lewk> not many other 7th grade english classes got to read short stories about necrophelia ;D
15:59 <@E-J> benryves: do english pronounce it like letenant and americans lutenant?
16:00 <@E-J> that english sample is with bad quality
16:00 <@E-J> uk-english*
16:00 <@benryves> E-J: Leff-tenant in UK English, loo-tenant in US English.
16:00 < sir_lewk> yup
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16:00 <@E-J> ah leftenant
16:01 <@benryves> The "u" sound seems to be closer to "oo" in UK English; at least that's what I gathered from the film Doon.
16:01 <@benryves> *in US English, rather.
16:01 < sir_lewk> I never really understood where that "f" sound came from
16:01 < sir_lewk> yeah, u is like oo
16:01 < ports-> idiots
16:02 < millinao> wtF sir_lewk
16:02 < millinao> i want that teacher
16:02 < sir_lewk> "look" isn't *quite* like "luk", though depending on the US accent it could be pretty close
16:02 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Buggered if I know. Why does "hiccough" end in "cup" :)
16:02 < sir_lewk> O.o
16:02 < sir_lewk> I always though it was just "hiccup"
16:03 < sir_lewk> interesting
16:03 <@E-J> benryves: onomatopoetic maybe
16:03 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Hiccough is a viable alternative spelling.
16:03 < sir_lewk> hmm, intriguing
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16:07 < sir_lewk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rose_for_Emily this is the short story we read in that english class
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16:07 < sir_lewk> quite a few parents didn't find that one amusing :)
16:08 < Damakaru> What's a good on-line graphing calculator to use while I don't have a real graphing calculator?
16:09 < Damakaru> (I got my math class at eleven CST, and we're allowed to use laptops there.)
16:10 < sir_lewk> there was one linked on ticalc some time ago, forget where it was
16:10 < sir_lewk> there was also an online emulator linked recently
16:10 <@benryves> http://www.brandonmeyer.net/projects/TI8XEmu/TI8XEmu.html
16:10 <@benryves> You need to upload a ROM, though.
16:11 < sir_lewk> can you just use a regular emulator?
16:12 < Damakaru> It is not legal for me to have any of the ROMs.
16:12 < sir_lewk> you don't have any calcs?
16:12 <@benryves> Damakaru: Flash Debugger ships with TI-83+, TI-83+SE and TI-73 ROMs.
16:12 < Damakaru> Nope, I sent off the only one I had.
16:13 < sir_lewk> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/14/141/141104.html here we go
16:13 < Damakaru> benryves:  Flash Debugger won't work on Linux.
16:13 < sir_lewk> graphs stuff pretty nice
16:13 <@benryves> Damakaru: Sucks to be you, then.
16:13 < sir_lewk> dunno if that will cover what you need, but it graphs
16:14 <@benryves> Not bad, that, sir_lewk.
16:14 <@benryves> (How is it rendering? SVG or something?)
16:16 <@benryves> Er, from the presence of a SVG download it would seem that's how it's doing it. :D
16:16 <+krisk> omg redhead bowlingalley girl was there :o
16:17 < sir_lewk> hahaha
16:17 < sir_lewk> oh my krisk
16:19 < Damakaru> *Hides.*
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16:20 < ports-> haha
16:20 < ports-> its almost time
16:20 < ports-> our new supreme overlord is coming
16:21 < ports-> no more will be suffer
16:21 < ports-> under the rule of an illiterate president
16:21 < ports-> because yes it is hard to put food on your family...
16:21 <+krisk> sell family, eat more yourself
16:22 < sir_lewk> for some reason that line reminded me of Rorschild from Watchmen
16:23 < sir_lewk> "<+krisk> sell family, eat more yourself"
16:23 <@benryves> Kill two birds with one stone: eat your family.
16:23 <+krisk> I prefer chicken
16:23 < sir_lewk> lol benryves
16:24 <+krisk> plus, you will have some money left from the sale for other things
16:24 < sir_lewk> *Rorschach
16:24 < ports-> ok
16:25 < sir_lewk> did bush pardon anybody interesting?
16:26 <@benryves> Bush is pardoning people?
16:26 < sir_lewk> presidents usually pardon a lot of people on their last day
16:26 < sir_lewk> dunno if bush has or not
16:26 <@benryves> Why? :\
16:26 < sir_lewk> meh, dunno
16:27 < sir_lewk> usually it's unimportant people.  people that have already served their sentances and stuff
16:28 < sir_lewk> ah, here we go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_W._Bush
16:28 < sir_lewk> "As of December 23, 2008,[2] President George W. Bush had issued 191 presidential pardons to people who have served their entire sentence, and has commuted in addition the sentences of nine people."
16:28 <+krisk> William Sidney Baldwin Sr. (1981 conspiracy to possess marijuana. Pardoned December 21, 2006)
16:28 <+krisk> woah
16:29 < sir_lewk> lolwat
16:29 < sir_lewk> conpiracy to possess marijuana?  that is a lame as shit crime
16:35 <@E-J> http://tane.li/2009/facebook-finland-network-revealed-irc-galleria-comparison
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16:38 <+krisk> lol those crimes are retarded
16:39 <+krisk> Dale C. Critz, Jr. (1989 making a false statement)
16:39 <+krisk> oh shi-
16:39  * benryves adds "Snake Plissken", "All moral crimes" to the list. >_>
16:39 <@E-J> american system is sometimes retarded
16:39 <@benryves> Making a false statement could be a pretty serious crime.
16:39 <@E-J> they think that long sentences cure criminals
16:40 < sir_lewk> "On January 20, 2001, he[Clinton] pardoned 140 people in the final hours of his presidency."
16:40 < sir_lewk> I want to know if Bush is doing that too
16:40 <+krisk> Robert Carter Eversole stole the year 1984
16:41 <+krisk> (1984 theft)
16:41 < sir_lewk> hahaha
16:42 <@Andy_J> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/barack-obama-inauguration-day-live
16:42 <@Andy_J> if you're not able to watch CNN
16:42 <+krisk> (unlawful use of a telephone in a narcotics felony) huhwhat
16:42 < sir_lewk> probably organized a drug deal using a phone
16:42 <@E-J> though they might have learned that from brits who sent criminals to australia for 8 or more years when they stole a bread
16:43 < sir_lewk> stupid
16:43 <@E-J> Andy_J: finnish tv shows that as well
16:43 < sir_lewk> wooo, vacation AND free bread :D
16:43 < ports-> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/barack-obama-inauguration-day-live
16:43 < ports-> nice
16:44 < sir_lewk> the whole presidential pardon thing is pretty dumb imho
16:44 < ports-> aww
16:44 < ports-> i was hoping he would run out of the hallway
16:44 < ports-> like a basketball player
16:44 < ports-> arms in the air
16:44 <@Andy_J> lol
16:45 <+krisk> haha
16:45 < sir_lewk> I wonder if bush could pardon himself...
16:45 < sir_lewk> nah, nixxon would have done that then
16:45 < sir_lewk> probably why he resigned, so he could be pardoned
16:46 <@Andy_J> those trees look like smoke
16:47 < ports-> yay
16:47 < ports-> sir_lewk:  exactly
16:47 < ports-> you cant pardon yourself
16:47 < ports-> so you work out a deal with your successor
16:48 < sir_lewk> bush should have resigned this morning and let cheney pardon him for anything he might be accused of
16:48 < ports-> lol
16:48 <@Andy_J> it doesn't work that way
16:48 < Nikky> BOO RICK WARREN
16:48 < Nikky> BOOO
16:48 < sir_lewk> of course that would give cheney a few hours to blow up the world :P
16:48 <@Andy_J> ^
16:48 < Nikky> FUCK YOU RICK WARREN
16:48 <@Andy_J> ^
16:48 < Nikky> I mean, hi
16:49 <@Andy_J> I don't.
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16:49 < Nikky> Totally had no idea I was typing that.
16:49 < Nikky> In all caps.
16:49 < sir_lewk> who is rick warren?
16:49 < Nikky> Some jackass
16:49 <@Andy_J> ^
16:49 < Nikky> Who hates homosexuals
16:50 <@E-J> you could play drinking game now, everytime someone says "yes we can" or "god bless america" or some other things like that, you drink
16:50 <+krisk> "Barack Obama's two favorite television shows are MASH and The Wire."
16:50 <+krisk> +1
16:50 < Nikky> and Barack Retarded Obama decided to have him give some speech at the inaguration
16:50 < Nikky> Because he's a loser.
16:50 <@benryves> E-J: "Yes we can"? Isn't that Bob the Builder's catchphrase?
16:50 <@E-J> barack obama bin laden
16:50 <+krisk> yes
16:50 <@Andy_J> SI SE PUEDE
16:50 <@Andy_J> E-J: ....
16:50 <+krisk> benryves: yes
16:50 <@E-J> Andy_J: :)
16:51 <+krisk> nikky why the hate bro?
16:51 <+krisk> too CHANGE for you?
16:51 <@benryves> I see ticalc.org is still full of hate. :\
16:51 < ports-> Nikky:  fuck off
16:52 < sir_lewk> I expect to recieve my copy of Obama's Little Red Book in the mail shortly
16:52 <@E-J> nikky southertroll
16:52 <@Andy_J> This 'tard is taking too long
16:52 <@Andy_J> They won't get done in time
16:52 < sir_lewk> presidential catastrophy! :O
16:52 <+krisk> benryves: ??
16:52 < Nikky> benryves: yep
16:53 <@Andy_J> .... there aren't supposed to be dramatic pauses in the Lord's Prayer
16:53 < Nikky> Kofler is being a little ass
16:53 < Nikky> Andy_J: Who cares.
16:53 <@benryves> krisk: The http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/14/144/144591.html
16:53 < Nikky> He's a moron.
16:53 < Nikky> sir_lewk: Can I have your copy?
16:53 <@E-J> "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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16:53 < Nikky> Yeah
16:53 <@E-J> wasn't that speak against that?
16:53 < Nikky> We kind of ignore that sometimes.
16:53 < sir_lewk> I'm sure you'll get your own Nikky
16:53 <@Andy_J> E-J: he isn't a member of government
16:54 < sir_lewk> a little speach isn't a law
16:54 <@Andy_J> They're not going to get him sworn in in time.
16:54 <+krisk> did he say anything inspirational yet?
16:54 < sir_lewk> and politicains are allowed to be openly religious (banning that would be "a law respecting the establishment of religion"
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16:56 <@E-J> hopefully obama won't do like william henry harrison
16:56 <@E-J> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Harrison
16:57 <+krisk> hopefully he won't be killed
16:58 < Nikky> STEVENS == MR AMERICA
16:58 < Nikky> Andy_J: on time prob
16:58 <@Andy_J> Barely.
16:58 <@E-J> highly unlikely because there aren't many presidents who have been killed
16:58 <@Andy_J> If they cut the fanfare.
16:59 < Nikky> NO
16:59 < Nikky> Can't
16:59 <+krisk> there havent been many black presidents either
16:59 < Nikky> lame
16:59 <@E-J> about same amount are those who have been died during work
16:59 < Nikky> singer
16:59 <+krisk> hehe "been died"
17:00 <@Andy_J> ANARCHY!
17:00 <@Andy_J> <)<
17:00 < Nikky> :(
17:00 <@E-J> krisk: like been born :P
17:00 <@benryves> Johnny Rotten now advertises butter in the UK. Rock n' roll.
17:00 <@Andy_J> I guess this means Biden's in charge for now.
17:01 < Nikky> yep
17:01 < Nikky> well, we aren't really sure about that
17:01 < Nikky> I believe that technically obama becomes pres regardless
17:01 <@Andy_J> yeah
17:01 <@Andy_J> CNN is saying that
17:01 < Nikky> because there can be the occasion that where the swearing in would happen on a sunday
17:02 < Nikky> so they move it
17:02 <@E-J> benryves: next is paul gasgoine (don't remember how his surname is written)
17:02 < Nikky> but it's kind of a grey area :)
17:02 < Nikky> Andy_J is a grey area.
17:02  * Nikky huggles
17:02 <@Andy_J> So they go to work on Sunday.
17:02 <@Andy_J> Baw more.
17:03 < Nikky> :(
17:03 <@benryves> E-J: I thought he was being bombed by the Israelis?
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17:05 <@E-J> ha, forgot words
17:05 <@Andy_J> well he's off to a flying start
17:06 < Nikky> yep
17:06 < Nikky> :)
17:06 < Nikky> what a loser
17:06 < Milyardo> Yeah what a loser
17:06 <@E-J> in this economical situation why does those things cost so much?
17:07 <@Andy_J> "Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January"
17:07 < Nikky> because
17:07 <@Andy_J> I would say that means we did not have a President, not that Obama was President.
17:07 < Nikky> they can
17:07 <@benryves> Andy_J: Mm, UK date order. :P
17:08 < Nikky> Yes.
17:08 < Nikky> We did kind of split off from the UK.
17:09 < Barrett> wow, I'm glad he knew how to take an oath
17:10 < Barrett> messed up like 4 times
17:10 < Barrett> and why is the presidential oath half the length of the vice president one?
17:11 < Nikky> Because
17:11 < Nikky> Only the president's oath is mandated in the constitution
17:11 <@Andy_J> ^
17:11 < Nikky> The VP's is most likely statutory
17:11 <@Andy_J> ninja'd me
17:12 < Barrett> hahaha, someone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States
17:12 < Barrett> look at Residence
17:12 < Barrett> on the right side
17:12 <@Andy_J> why isn't that locked?
17:12 < Barrett> changed it back
17:12 < Barrett> that was quick
17:13 < Nikky> haha
17:13 < Barrett> now I think it's locked
17:13 <@Andy_J> The Vice President also has an oath of office, but it is not mandated by the Constitution and is prescribed by statute. Currently, the Vice Presidential oath is the same as that for Members of Congress.
17:14 < Nikky> That makes sense
17:14 < Nikky> since he can get right down in there with the senators
17:14 < Nikky> ;)
17:15 <@Andy_J> Barrett: so if you want the Presidential oath to be longer, draft a Constitutional Amendment and good luck getting it ratfied :p
17:15 < Nikky> Not that hard.
17:16 <@E-J> was that one yawning?
17:17 < Nikky> Probably.
17:17 < Barrett> so, Obama's public speaking as president did not get off to a good start
17:17 < Nikky> ooo, that was a good line
17:17 <@E-J> in finnish tv some woman is making simultane translation
17:18 < Nikky> yeah, those dang communists
17:18 < ports-> he was nervous
17:18 < ports-> lol
17:18 < ports-> for the next 4 years
17:18 < Nikky> who wouldn't be?
17:18 <@Andy_J> He seems to be getting over it.
17:18 < ports-> hes about as close as you can be to a walking god
17:18 < ports-> Nikky:  im not saying being nervous is a bad thing
17:18 < Barrett> he started repeating the guy right after he said "Hussein"... I think that's what made him nervous
17:19 < Nikky> The inaguration cmte wanted it to be H.
17:19 < Nikky> but he was like lulz, everyone else does their full name
17:19 <@Andy_J> They were using "H" earlier
17:19 < ports-> he wanted to be a 3 name president
17:19 < Barrett> also the media would make a big deal out of it
17:19 < Barrett> "he's trying to hide his name"
17:19 < Nikky> No, fox news would make a big deal out of it
17:19 < ports-> he wanted to be a 3 name president
17:19 <@Andy_J> fuck fox news
17:19 < Nikky> Nobody else would care.
17:19 <@Andy_J> I'd watch it downstairs on the big TV but dad is watching fox news
17:20 <@Andy_J> so I'm watching CNN up here
17:20 < Nikky> yuck
17:20 < Nikky> Watching ABC
17:20 < Barrett> well... "he's trying to hide his name" would be an accurate assessment... so why would you blame fox news?
17:20 < ports-> im watching it through the AP stream on ustream
17:20 < Nikky> I don't want commentary
17:20 < ports-> thanks to lewk for posting that
17:20 <@Andy_J> CNN hasn't said anything at all in half an hour
17:20 < Barrett> that's exactly why they were considering shortening it to "H."
17:20 < ports-> Barrett:  no..
17:20 < Barrett> yes...
17:20 <@Andy_J> they stopped in and said about 10 words at 12:01 
17:20 < ports-> Barrett:  Obama wanted to use the full 3 names..
17:20 < Nikky> fail
17:20 < Nikky> CCN Sucks
17:20 < Nikky> I hate CNN
17:20 <@Andy_J> ports-: I posted it
17:20 < ports-> so that he could be a 3 name president.
17:20 < Barrett> ports-: I didn't say Obama
17:20 < Nikky> liberal media bias
17:20 < ports-> Barrett:  oh ok sorry
17:20 < ports-> Andy_J:  thanks to you
17:21 <@Andy_J> :)
17:21 < sir_lewk> better than bush.  he was a one letter president
17:21 < sir_lewk> W
17:21 < ports-> not really
17:22 < sir_lewk> he couldn't spell anything longer
17:22 <@Andy_J> nukular
17:22 < ports-> bush was referred to a GW a lot
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17:22 <@efneTI92> [Grue__] It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
17:22 < ports-> or G Dubya
17:22 < ports-> when i get drunk.. itll be president HBO
17:22 < sir_lewk> I would want to be a 3 letter prez.  they are always popular
17:22 < sir_lewk> FDR, JFK
17:22 < sir_lewk> ...that's it?
17:22 < ports-> john quincy adams
17:22 <@E-J> sir_lewk: UKK
17:23 < ports-> US Grant
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17:23 < sir_lewk> ok, US Grant kinda
17:23 < ports-> 3 names is an old tradition
17:23 < ports-> he went by Ulysses S Grant
17:23 < sir_lewk> yeah, true
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17:23 < ports-> its kind of an adult thing too
17:23 <@Andy_J> doodies
17:24 < ports-> as a kid i never signed my middle name, or even wrote it down anywhere
17:24 < sir_lewk> I am the great and powerful JLG
17:24 < sir_lewk> as a kid I always went by my middle name
17:24 < sir_lewk> hence "lewk" (actually luke)
17:24 < ports-> yes
17:25 < ports-> youre one of those idiots
17:25 < sir_lewk> lol
17:25 < ports-> i dont like you people
17:25 < ports-> go by your first name.
17:25 < ports-> or change your first name
17:25 < sir_lewk> my mother and father both do it too
17:25 <@E-J> i have 2 names but one is compound so i think i have 3 names
17:25 < ports-> a really good friend of mine does it.. and it annoys me
17:25 <@E-J> RE-JL
17:25 < ports-> because things like corp/edu email addresses are always first name/ last name
17:26 < sir_lewk> my father goes by his middle name so he wouldn't be confused with his father, my mother switched to her middle name for the lulz I think
17:26 < ports-> so when you use your middle name.. it messes up your directory listing
17:26 <@E-J> "god bless america" again
17:26 < sir_lewk> middle name is a bitch in college, that's why I do my first name now
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17:26 <@E-J> i still use "middle name"
17:27 <@Andy_J> CNN hasn't said anything in almost half an hour
17:27 < ports-> sir_lewk:  i pointed out why
17:27 <@Andy_J> amazing
17:28 < ports-> sir_lewk:  most of your class listings are first name + last name too
17:28 <@E-J> my username at university is relamsa, but my email alias is erkki-juhani.lamsa@
17:28 < ports-> E-J: its because youre a foreigner
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17:28 <@Andy_J> uakron does intials + serial number
17:28 <@Andy_J> f.ex ajj13
17:28 <@Andy_J> annoying.
17:28 <@E-J> ports-: well in finland most people use their first name
17:29 <@E-J> so if person doesn't know me, he calls me reino instead of erkki-juhani
17:29 < ports-> E-J: mostly here too
17:29 < ports-> E-J: its just a few weirdos who like their middle name more.. they think their first name isnt "fun"
17:30 <@E-J> http://www.wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/451883/Obama_Speech
17:30 <@benryves> My middle initial is D, which doesn't really work with my first name.
17:30 < ports-> benryves:  my initials are AMP
17:31 <@E-J> ports-: my parents gave me this name and they call me as erkki-juhani, so it has stayed
17:31 < ports-> ah
17:31 <@E-J> my both brothers have same kind of names
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17:31 <@Andy_J> benryves: heh.
17:33 < sir_lewk> my first name is "John".  I love how unmemoirble it is
17:33 <@E-J> ports-: but i do think that my first name isn't "fun" :) but maybe i have got used to this long name and somehow disliked the first name
17:33 < sir_lewk> most people address me with just my last name
17:33 <@Andy_J> ^ in high school
17:34 < ports-> hrm
17:36 <@E-J> and using rare name makes people to remember you better
17:36 < sir_lewk> yeah
17:36 < ports-> sure sure
17:36 <@E-J> (in finland there are only 23 people whose name is erkki-juhani)
17:37 < sir_lewk> I think that's why people like calling me by my last name when I introduce myself as "John"
17:37 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: or it could be to avoid ambiguity
17:37 < sir_lewk> yeah, that's what I mean
17:38 <@Andy_J> That isn't necessarily to remember you better, it's just that "John" could be any of a lot of people
17:39 <@E-J> https://192.49.222.187/nimipalvelu/default.asp?L=3 says that in finland there is over 7000 johns, most men but 8 women
17:39 < sir_lewk> eh, semantics
17:40 <@Andy_J> 38 minutes between CNN voiceovers
17:40 <@Andy_J> lol
17:40 < sir_lewk> it causes problems when my friends introduce people to me as my lastname, so they think that's my weird firstname or something
17:40 <@E-J> sir_lewk: there are 23 grecos in finland
17:41 <@E-J> hmmm, no 11 in finland and 12 abroad
17:41 <@E-J> so are you finnish?-)
17:42 <@benryves> Surely a Spanish artist?
17:42 < sir_lewk> I'm not sure how many there are in the US, I've only ever met one in person though
17:42 < sir_lewk> apparently there is one in my college too
17:43 <@E-J> sir_lewk: you have met only one of your parents?
17:43 < sir_lewk> my family is italian, the name means "the greek" or something
17:43 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Mm, El Greco means "the Greek".
17:43 < sir_lewk> lol no, I've only met one greco outside of my family
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17:44 < Merth> hi guys
17:44 <@benryves> Wotcha Merth
17:44 < sir_lewk> sup Merth
17:44 < Merth> new president
17:44 <@Andy_J> ^
17:45 < Merth> another person to make a bunch of promises and not keep them
17:45 < sir_lewk> yet another politician
17:45 <@E-J> i have met 1 other lämsä outside my family
17:45 < Merth> i'm so excited
17:45 <@E-J> and there is some thousands of lämsäs in finland
17:46 <@benryves> Hm, Gary McKinnon's extradition has been put on hold for four weeks.
17:46 < sir_lewk> getting excited over politics is a good indication that you are a sheep
17:46 < Merth> sir_lewk: it was sarcasm
17:46 <@E-J> sir_lewk: or Nikky 
17:46 < sir_lewk> yeah, I gathered that
17:46 < Merth> oh, ok
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17:48 < sir_lewk> I wonder how many Southerlanders there are
17:49 <@E-J> at least one sunk
17:50 < sir_lewk> Southerlander was a ship?
17:51 <@E-J> southerland was a ship
17:51 <@E-J> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiefer_Sutherland that man has too many names
17:52 < sir_lewk> lol
17:52 <+krisk> he can only act while holding a phone to his head
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17:53 <@E-J> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toiminnot:Search?search=southerland&go=Hae
17:53 <@E-J> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/4295701/The-man-who-invented-the-doner-kebab-has-died.html
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17:56 <+krisk> no!
17:56 <+krisk> "Mr Aygun saw that the future lay in putting the meat inside a pitta bread." my second idol
17:57 <+krisk> after Barney Stinson
17:58 <@E-J> where is kenneth pinyan in your list?-)
17:58 <@benryves> Eurgh. Why does UTF-8 support have to be so difficult for MySQL? :\
17:58 <+krisk> E-J how bout no :p
17:58 <@E-J> :)
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18:02 <+krisk> OPEN ENROLLMENT -- COURSE ADDITION
18:02 <+krisk> SOC 435 -- Woo and You: A Study of Woo Girls in their Natural Habitats
18:02 <+krisk> Course Objective: For students to gain a greater knowledge and insight into the species of Woo Girl and their various breeds and types. Course will be hands on/pants off and focus specifically on Woo Girl haunts such as Mardi Gras, Western Themed Bars, and Spring Break. At the end of the ten week session, students are expected to have thorough and exhaustive knowledge of Woo Girl culture and mating rituals. 
18:06 <@E-J> http://www.leftiesforobama.com/index.php?id=2
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18:07 <+krisk> Can you match these momentous fist bumps over the course of history with their place on the timeline?
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18:07 <+krisk> - 2008 AD Barack Obama fist bumps his wife, Michelle 
18:12 <+krisk> http://wwwimage.cbs.com/primetime/how_i_met_your_mother/images/content/blog/319.jpg
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18:36 <@efneTI92> [rivereye[] Is it time to go fishing?
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18:41 < Spengo> lol
18:41 < Spengo> obama kinda messed up that speech
18:42 < sir_lewk> great
18:43 < sir_lewk> clearly the presidency is cursed
18:43 < sir_lewk> it turns you into a bumbling idiot
18:43 < Spengo> heheh
18:43 <+krisk> how?
18:43 < sir_lewk> bush wore off on it :P
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19:18 <@_Auron_> well you're speaking to 300 million people as their president for the first time
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19:20 < sir_lewk> _Auron_: pffft, I've done that dozens of times
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19:28 <@_Auron_> as the president? :P
19:30 < sir_lewk> mmhm
19:30 < sir_lewk> "for the first time" several times too
19:30 < sir_lewk> with my time machine
19:31 < sir_lewk> you know.  Because I rock like that
19:37 < Ox40Work> So...
19:37 <@_Auron_> um wtf
19:37 <@_Auron_> I started eating badly all week
19:38 <@_Auron_> and I lost 4lbs
19:38 < sir_lewk> nice
19:39 < sir_lewk> of course 4lbs could just be you took a shit recently or are slightly less hydrated
19:39 <@_Auron_> no
19:39 <@_Auron_> this is before I need to shit
19:40 < sir_lewk> well
19:40 < sir_lewk> congrats then
19:41 <+krisk> weight immedeately after waking up and taking piss/dump
19:41 <+krisk> -t
19:41 <+krisk> and consider most scales suck ass and arent accurate at all
19:43 <@_Auron_> this scale works fine
19:43 <@_Auron_> and has been relative to what I've been weighing in at anyways
19:43 < sir_lewk> precise scale
19:44 < sir_lewk> generally 4lbs is within what you might expect to vary over the day, make sure you weigh yourself at consistent times
19:44 <+krisk> high calorie meals can cause you to eat less frequently
19:44 <@_Auron_> I always weighed myself after waking up
19:45 <+krisk> and need more water to filter
19:45 <+krisk> but, define eating badly
19:45 <@_Auron_> fast food every day
19:46 <+krisk> high calorie -> less frequent meals -> daily calorie deficient + muscle and water loss, high salt -> dehydration
19:46 <+krisk> can also be upcoming/passing illness
19:46 <+krisk> stress
19:48 < sir_lewk> varying local gravitational constant
19:49 <+krisk> neighbours testing antigravity machines?
19:49 <@_Auron_> sorry I don't live in eureka
19:53 < sir_lewk> a shame
19:53 <@_Auron_> http://obamaclock.org/
19:53 <+krisk> also possiblities: vision or memory problems
19:53 <@_Auron_> no
19:53 <+krisk> mistaking about earlier weight or misread : )
19:54 <@_Auron_> trust me I remember
19:54 <+krisk> its lupus
19:54 <@_Auron_> it's never lupus
19:57 < sir_lewk> why isn't the singular form of "zombies" "zomby"?
19:59 <@E-J> because it's loan word?
19:59 < sir_lewk> really? from what language?
19:59 <@E-J> in kongo, nzambi means god
20:00 < sir_lewk> oh, interesting
20:00 <@E-J> and haitians took that
20:01 <@E-J> according to wikipedia, in vodou snake god damballah wedo has other name "zombi"
20:04 < sir_lewk> great, zombie snakes :O
20:04 < sir_lewk> sounds like a 50's scifi movie
20:04 < sir_lewk> "Attack of the Zombie Cobras!" :D
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20:18 <@_Auron_> lol
20:19 <@_Auron_> snakes on an undead plane
20:19 < incubus> world of warcraft!
20:19 < sir_lewk> no u
20:21 < sir_lewk> man, I have heartburn from hell
20:29 <+krisk> so americans what does it feel like to be cool again?
20:30 < Ox40Work> ok...
20:30 < Ox40Work> how can I get a fieldset's legend to take a width in pixels?
20:30 < sir_lewk> lol krisk
20:31 < sir_lewk> truthfully, it's pretty underwhelming.  shouldn't supercoolawesome stuff be happening by now?
20:31 <+krisk> http://www.google.com/search?q=fieldset+legend+width
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20:31 <+krisk> patience silly american
20:31 < sir_lewk> where are all my bitches for instance?  I'm pretty sure I was promised free bitches
20:31 <+krisk> with great coolness comes great resposibility
20:31 < sir_lewk> lmao
20:32 <+krisk> bitches be free but you have to go get them yourself
20:33 < sir_lewk> awwww
20:34 <@E-J> http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135242892226.jpeg
20:34 <+krisk> this pic reminds me of something
20:35 <@E-J> maybe something from 4chan?
20:36 <+krisk> hmmm mayyyyybe
20:36 < Milyardo> bears!
20:36 <+krisk> it's something to do with the bear yes
20:36 < Milyardo> @__0
20:36 < sir_lewk> oh oh oh
20:36 <+krisk> and a pedeatrician?
20:36 < sir_lewk> I know one cool thing about the new president being president
20:37 < sir_lewk> perhaps slashdot will have semi-relevant discussions again
20:37 <+krisk> also, CHANGE
20:37 <+krisk> *pediatrician btw
20:37 < sir_lewk> not "article about keyboards" == "bush flamewar"
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20:37 <+krisk> lulz
20:37 <+krisk> hmm are any potheads on here now?
20:37 <+krisk> /hippies
20:38 <+krisk> nonsheep
20:38 <+krisk> etc
20:38 < sir_lewk> not that I know of, I think they are mostly on later
20:38 <+krisk> oh yeah
20:38 < sir_lewk> _Auron_: is hear I think
20:38 < sir_lewk> leofox is not
20:38 < sir_lewk> I am
20:38 < sir_lewk> though I'm not really a pothead seeing as I don't actually smoke pot >.>
20:39 <+krisk> leofox skipped the pothead step and went straight to chill
20:39 <+krisk> sir_lewk: its the thought that counts : )
20:39 < sir_lewk> :D
20:39 < sir_lewk> tis all cool.
20:39 <+krisk> i've made a dicision last sundaynight
20:39 <+krisk> *e
20:39 < sir_lewk> oh yeah?
20:41 <+krisk> yeah i think im turning around my criticising inner monologue back to the way it should be
20:41 < sir_lewk> how so?
20:42 <@E-J> hmm, i might know why bush was like he was, his ancestors were from savonia where they moved to sweden and were there forest finns before going to america
20:43 <+krisk> well i used to be very accepting and joyous almost to the point of naiveity but overly criticising. it turned to the point where i criticised myself for liking things and being naive and overly joyfull for no reasons
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20:44 < sir_lewk> I see
20:44 <+krisk> like thinking "teehee a cute girl <3" changed to "meh cant just like that so naively grow up dumbass"
20:45 < sir_lewk> there's a quote that I like, "part of growing up is realizing that nobody ever grows up"
20:45 <+krisk> i think it slipped in from others being so negative about total strangers and it became a habit to think similarly
20:45 <+krisk> hmm nice one
20:45 < sir_lewk> actually, I made that quote up myself a while ago, I like it though
20:46 <+krisk> i like it
20:46 <+krisk> but yeah it, like many negative thoughts, is like a defense mechanism
20:46 <+krisk> its fake, dishonest
20:47 <+krisk> or in any case, a useless point of view
20:47 < sir_lewk> I used to have the tendancy to make friends with clingy, annoying, creepy, stupid people before I realized that they were like that
20:47 <+krisk> well you can be positive and cute and still all those things
20:47 < sir_lewk> as a defense I've now started assuming the worst about everyone I meet until I realize otherwise
20:47 <+krisk> ah yeah
20:47 < sir_lewk> not good for making new friends :S
20:48 <+krisk> true
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20:48 <+krisk> a lot of interesting things can come to mind once you start seeing people's expressions to others as part of what they want expressed to themselves
20:49 <+krisk> but anyway
20:49 <+krisk> i think ive decided to turn that dialogue around
20:49 < sir_lewk> that's a good idea
20:50 < sir_lewk> after a year of college I've realized how miserable it is to only hang around people that were willing to put up with your shit for a few weeks.  it basically just turns into hanging out with mirrors of myself
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20:50 <+krisk> yeah something like that
20:51 <+krisk> but also in vice versa, and you can start to mimic the mirrors
20:51 <+krisk> which is when things just get silly
20:51 < sir_lewk> true too
20:51 <+krisk> apparently the human brain is kind of wired to do things like that (its part of being part of the masses)
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20:52 <+krisk> but, i like how psychedelic trips learn people stuff about themselves and the way us people work by stepping outside that mimicry
20:52 <+krisk> possibly whilst kicking your egos ass for a bit
20:52 < sir_lewk> yeah
20:53 < sir_lewk> I should also stop worrying so much about "doing what the man wants me to do"
20:53 < sir_lewk> "the man" generally being corporate advertising
20:53 < sir_lewk> but also society
20:53 <+krisk> i think was overly concerned with NOT doing what the man wants me to do and turning it so far i started not doing what I want to do
20:53 < sir_lewk> so, it's uncool for me to where big brand cloths, but it's also uncool for me to think of myself as indie
20:54 <+krisk> oh yeah i can relate to that
20:54 <+krisk> many things formed into reasonings like that
20:55 < sir_lewk> as a solution to that particular problem, I just buy blank tshirts.  I explain it away to myself as trying to be just purely practical
20:55 <+krisk> hehe
20:55 < sir_lewk> hmm.  that's another thing, I need to stop trying to be more practical and rational than I really am
20:56 < sir_lewk> blank tshirts do rock though.  you can be casual without having some stupid chuck norris quote on your chest or something
20:57 <+krisk> well i forgot the exact reasoning or thought process that came down to it, and wether it literally came down to this at all, but i think something along the fact of the matter is we should stop trying to be something and start going more for the gut feeling of what feels right
20:58 < sir_lewk> yeah
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20:58 < sir_lewk> I think the trick is balancing shortterm and longterm though
20:58 <+krisk> like, sure there are reason for and against things in your mind and you can choose to act on whatever. but when you make a decision aimed thats supposed to make you happyer, dont forget to actually be happy about it
20:58 < sir_lewk> sleeping in my room might feel more satisfying at the moment, but walking around town with friends is sure to be more rewarding in the long run
20:59 <+krisk> hmm yeah it ties into my thoughts on that as well
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20:59 <+krisk> like going out and chilling instead of studying/working 24/7 like the man and those under his will want me to
21:00 <+krisk> but, whatever you decide to do, actually chill and like your choice
21:00 < sir_lewk> but on the other side, if I go out and have fun, perhaps I'm just being yet another dumbass college student :-/
21:00 <+krisk> if youre not gonna like it then either choice is wrong
21:01 < sir_lewk> that's my problem, I rationalize decisions until no proper choice is left
21:01 <+krisk> exactly, mine too
21:01 < pyromania> go out and have fun
21:01 < pyromania> i doubt youll regret it
21:02 < sir_lewk> yeah, that's what I'm trying to do more
21:02 <+krisk> absolutely true
21:02 < sir_lewk> I have to get over the initial "I don't want to be a stupid frat kid" mentality though
21:02 <+krisk> and the constant reconsileation with those thought patterns make them feel secure and homely and safe
21:02 <+krisk> maybe not as concepts in your reasoning, but to your brain. youre essentially constantly learning to constantly think that way
21:04 < sir_lewk> I'm afraid I'm becoming someone I hate through my own rationalization
21:05 <+krisk> but also afraid to deviate from it
21:05 < sir_lewk> yup
21:05 < sir_lewk> aaaaaaaaaand THIS is why I drink ^_^
21:05 < sir_lewk> though not in public, then I'll be a stupid frat kid....
21:05 <+krisk> hehe
21:05 <+krisk> but, trips are similar
21:05 < sir_lewk> que spiralling circle downwards
21:05 <+krisk> like, "bad" trips
21:06 <+krisk> its really just the acid/shrooms/whatever kicking you down and showing you whats wrong, scaring you with it
21:07 < sir_lewk> the drugs don't do anything but help your brain think things that it's uncomfortable with
21:07 <+krisk> well they do some other things too : ) but yeah
21:07 < sir_lewk> ;p
21:08 <+krisk> and the kicker is, they can help because if youre still ok after the agonizing 2 hour downwards lsd anxiety spiral of doom, asking that random girl out doesnt seem so crazy any more
21:09 < sir_lewk> hmm, true
21:09 <+krisk> "Psychedelics tear apart my belief system and I must then rebuild it from the broken fragments. It's literally like no one else matters and I am my own worst enemy, fighting w/myself. I've gotten, 2 or 3 times now, into a place where I was convinced everyone was in my head and I was stuck in 'hell' or 'purgatory.' At the same time, I knew I was tripping, I could logically answer any question you gave me, or do any task requested, but I was stuck there. 
21:09 <+krisk> i hope that doesnt cut off
21:10 < sir_lewk> interesting
21:11 <+krisk> I like the whole fighting with yourself and if you can beat that then what cant you beat? point.
21:11 < sir_lewk> mhmm
21:11 < sir_lewk> brb, coffee
21:12 <+krisk> of course its a continuous fight with many battles, but still
21:14 <+krisk> after all the sillyness, thinking "look at that <whatever> being stupid, wait.. what the hell, i used to like it and i do : )" on a grumpy morning that would otherwise have turned into an entire bad day from lack of sleep, feels like a little victory
21:16 < sir_lewk> I think the thing I regret the most is letting my parents convince me that I'm better than other people because of my intelligence
21:17 < sir_lewk> I constantly catch myself judging people because they don't seem as superfically smart as me
21:17 <+krisk> yeah, or in line with whatever you consider important
21:17 <+krisk> or superior
21:18 < sir_lewk> honestly, a good number of my "smart" friends are absolute jackasses
21:19 < sir_lewk> if I didn't consider myself so great, then I wouldn't have worried so much about acedemics and perhaps would be enjoying my life more instead
21:19 < sir_lewk> what's the point of doing smart stuff if you hate it?
21:20 <+krisk> it can be with anything really not just academic efforts
21:20 < sir_lewk> yeah
21:21 <+krisk> i mean ive put more effort into my education yesterday and today than i have in the past year and i have a similar silly fight with myself
21:21 <+krisk> its probably your ego identifying with something and feeding itself superiority from it, but that focus doesnt make you happy
21:22 <+krisk> i mean, that is what the ego does after all
21:22 < sir_lewk> luckily I said to myself "screw grades" half way through highschool and that hasn't really hurt me yet.  I think I'd have probably gone insane had I not.  I still feel the need to be more knowledgable about things, when I really don't care
21:22 <+krisk> trying to reenforce itself in an effort of self-defense
21:23 < sir_lewk> I'm good at computers so I'm a CS major.  I know I'll be miserable in any programming job I manage to get though
21:23 <+krisk> hey ive been thinking the exact same lately
21:23 < sir_lewk> hobby? sure.  job? don't think so.
21:23 <+krisk> ive actually made up my mind that im going to do 1 or 2 other 4 year college courses afterwards
21:23 <+krisk> as soon as ive rounded up this one this year
21:24 < sir_lewk> if my hobby was building model ships, I could happily be in another major.  my hobby just happens to be marketable though
21:24 <+krisk> oh yeah, I turned down a well paying 2-3 year ICT job last week as a matter of fact because I know thats not what I want to be doing for the next 2-3 years
21:24 <+krisk> (and i would be stuck there)
21:25 < sir_lewk> that "you should be whatever you'd want to be if you were a millionaire" thing is bullshit.  doing something as your job and doing something as your hobby are completely different things
21:25 <+krisk> but i wont mind doing part time development or whatever in ict to support what i really want to be doing
21:26 < sir_lewk> yeah
21:26 <+krisk> well you can have multiple hobbies : )
21:26 < sir_lewk> I guess I just want a job that is easy enough for me to do without worrying about it
21:26 <+krisk> yeah, something that comes natural
21:26 <+krisk> and is enjoyable
21:26 < sir_lewk> yeah
21:27  * sir_lewk looks for a job as a professional IRC lurker...
21:27 <+krisk> lulz
21:28 <+krisk> im trying to find out how a part time enjoyable job (even if its ict, the part time aspect makes it a little better) can fund further education and living on my own though
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21:28 <@efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
21:29 <+krisk> but i guess ill find out later this week as i pursue some nicer job offerings nearby
21:30 < sir_lewk> if I could get a job stapliing papers or something and make enough money to eat, rent and have an internet connection, I'd probably be happy
21:30 < sir_lewk> so long as I wasn't too stressed out to enjoy myself
21:30 <+krisk> could be
21:30 <+krisk> i'd like to have time left for nice things though : )
21:30 <+krisk> hobbies, going out, meeting people, winning those little battles : )
21:30 < sir_lewk> yeah
21:31 < sir_lewk> I don't want a 9-5 day job where all I do during the week is work, eat, then sleep
21:31 <+krisk> exactly
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21:32 <+krisk> right now im aiming for 24 hours a week and filling the other days up with hobbies and chilling and the nights with going/hanging out with the sheep
21:32 <+krisk> ive done some math and with a little luck of companies not being truely stuck up it should be financially possible
21:34 < sir_lewk> maybe I'll be lucky, get attached so some ambious business type person, be the cofounder of a massive company, then retire after a few years
21:34 < sir_lewk> that'd rock
21:34 < sir_lewk> I'm not holding my breath though
21:35 <+krisk> besides, it should be possible for students to be doing that work rythm (because the rest of the time = studying) while supporting themselves
21:35 <+krisk> or you could score a rich chick : D
21:35 < sir_lewk> true!
21:35 < sir_lewk> I'd settle for "score a chick" right now though ;P
21:35 <+krisk> aye
21:35 <+krisk> speaking of which
21:36 < ports-> doh
21:36 < ports-> stupid texans
21:36 < sir_lewk> ?
21:37 < ports-> texas senator is blocking hillary clintons sect of state appointment
21:37 < sir_lewk> explain
21:37 <+krisk> a girl i know says she wants to introduce me to a girl she knows and send a pic, she's pretty cute but i'm not allowed to think she's that cute and hope for stuff but i shouldnt push the possiblity away either
21:37 <+krisk> so.. ongoing battle : ) just noticed her pic in my recieved folder and she does look really really cute in it though
21:38 < sir_lewk> cool
21:38 < sir_lewk> ports-: allow me to clarify.
21:38 < sir_lewk> EXPLAIN OR DIE.
21:38 <+krisk> she told her i'd add her to msn but i haven't yet
21:39 < ports-> sir_lewk:  die
21:39 < sir_lewk> gotta play it chill
21:39 < ports-> krisk:  share
21:39 < ports-> krisk:  let me see the photo
21:39 < ports-> imageshack.us now please
21:39 <+krisk> i wouldve met her saturday at her housewarming party but the girl i know wasnt going anymore all of a sudden so i couldnt
21:40 < sir_lewk> :-/
21:40 <+krisk> no i dont like that because moral standards on privacy+internet and youll say she's an ugly butterface
21:40 < ports-> krisk:  bullshit
21:40 <+krisk> ill see her at the girl's birthday party 7 feb though :o
21:40 < ports-> show me a photo
21:40 <+krisk> should i?
21:40 < ports-> i told you to.
21:40 < sir_lewk> I don't even know anyone my age in this state, let alone chicks
21:41 <+krisk> oh she's 24 apparently
21:41 <+krisk> im 21
21:41 < sir_lewk> garenteed I'll think she's hot
21:41 < ports-> krisk:  perfect lets see
21:41 <+krisk> theres a cute redhead at the bowlingalley here who my friend's brother knows, probably also around 23-24
21:41 < sir_lewk> 21 and 24 is perfectly chill
21:41 <+krisk> oh absolutely
21:41 <+krisk> i think
21:42 < aardvarq> Long as you're mature for your age. And, since you're on IRC, we can safely assume that you are.
21:42 < ports-> aardvarq:  eh
21:42 < ports-> aardvarq: since hes on irc the only 2 things that you can assume are that hes socially awkward, and dresses like a doofus
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21:43 < aardvarq> Both of which are big maturity points.
21:43 < sir_lewk> I assume people are relatively technically proficient if they are on IRC
21:43 <+krisk> i should also tell my friend to tell his borther to suggest me as the guy bowlingalleygirl might find (i overheard him say to her that theyd "yet find her a nice guy" so she's looking :o)
21:43 < ports-> dressing like peewee herman is not a sign of maturity.
21:43 <+krisk> hey i have quite some style thank you very much
21:44 < ports-> krisk:  shutup you say chill
21:44 < sir_lewk> ports-: I'm on irc.  I don't wear cloths
21:44 < sir_lewk> duh
21:44 < aardvarq> ports-: Are you trolling or did you honestly miss my sarcasm?
21:44 <+krisk> well youve seen what kind of shirt i have
21:44 < ports-> aardvarq:  im really really bored
21:44 <+krisk> add hoody and jacket with similar style to the shirt
21:44 <+krisk> and grey just wide enough cargopants
21:45 <+krisk> but not too wide
21:45 < aardvarq> That's thing #3 we can assume about you on IRC.
21:45 < aardvarq> :-)
21:45 < ports-> krisk:  i told you
21:45 < ports-> that shirt looked stupid
21:45 <+krisk> no just the buttons
21:45 < ports-> are the buttons on the shirt?
21:45 < aardvarq> krisk: So you going to let us judge your girl or what?
21:45 < aardvarq> :-)
21:45 < ports-> the shirt is stupid.
21:45 < sir_lewk> chicks secretly find buttons sexy
21:45 <+krisk> yes but it works well on me because im not styleless and fat
21:45 <+krisk> not my girl!
21:46 <+krisk> yet O_o
21:46 < ports-> sir_lewk:  in my experience they prefer snap ons
21:46 < sir_lewk> velcro
21:46 < ports-> krisk:  show us a photo of her or shut the fuck up
21:46 < ports-> sir_lewk:  no just snap ons with western shirts
21:46 < ports-> the pearl snaps
21:46 < sir_lewk> western shirts?
21:46 < ports-> they enjoy ripping it open
21:46 < sir_lewk> ah
21:46 <+krisk> but youll post it everywhere with accompanying personal details and ruin my life
21:47 < ports-> krisk:  ok psycho
21:47  * sir_lewk ==> home
21:47 < ports-> i really dont pay attention to irc
21:47 <+krisk> fine youve forced me
21:47 < ports-> i dont know your real name, what country youre from, or anything personal about you
21:47 < sir_lewk> ports-: cawks
21:47 <+krisk> no but you can spread it everywhere with the story about her that ive told
21:47 < ports-> lol
21:48 <+krisk> if she encounters it shell know and my life will be ruined
21:48 <+krisk> ruined i say
21:48 < aardvarq> And I doubt she reads bash.org.
21:48 <+krisk> also im lazy about turning on wamp so ill link a pic of her thats already online
21:48 <+krisk> oh but bash can spread to 4chan which can spread everywhere
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21:48 < ports-> bash hasnt updated in 3 years
21:48 <+krisk> and there are popular dutch forums that are 4chan aware
21:49 <+krisk> run by people who have those sites make national news
21:49 <+krisk> next thing i know her pic with story and accompanying adult shoops of it are on national news
21:50 < ports-> just post the god damn photo
21:50 < ports-> or stop talking about it
21:50 <+krisk> http://94.100.114.12/101850001-101900000/101854801-101854900/101854872_6_yJ4J.jpeg
21:50 < ports-> youve turned my boredom into anger
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21:51 <+krisk> thats one of many on her profile, but the one i recieved from my friend isnt on there and is actually even cuter
21:51 < ports-> krisk:  move on.. not worth your time
21:51 <+krisk> move on to...?
21:51 < ports-> anything else
21:51 < ports-> shes attractive..
21:51 < ports-> she will want nothing to do with you lol
21:52 <+krisk> http://94.100.114.21/366550001-366600000/366578701-366578800/366578751_6_jdaj.jpeg
21:52 <+krisk> http://94.100.114.76/395400001-395450000/395412901-395413000/395412939_6_fUlV.jpeg
21:53 < ports-> i like her mom
21:53 <+krisk> maybe i should go for her instead
21:53 < ports-> she looks attractive from far away
21:54 <+krisk> or both?
21:54 < ports-> is that really her mom? or a dude with long hair
21:54 < ports-> i cant tell
21:54 <+krisk> clothes show traces of boob while wrists are thin so it can be a fat dude
21:54 <+krisk> *cant
21:55 < ports-> lol
21:55 < ports-> i was kidding
21:55 < Milyardo> o.o
21:55 <+krisk> and lulz were had
21:55 <+krisk> she looks pretty cute
21:56 <+krisk> but the stupid girl who knows her and suggested she makes us meet doesnt want to tell me anything about her
21:58 <+krisk> plus i dont have pics of myself to send her so adding her to msn is gonna be lame
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22:01 < ports-> lol
22:02 < ports-> send her my photo
22:02 <+krisk> excellent
22:02 < ports-> she'll think im attractive and you can pretend to be me
22:02 < ports-> get my photo off the TCPA site..  im dressed nicely, and with a hot girl
22:03 <+krisk> she'll be jealous and want me immedeately
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22:03 <+krisk> you go out like that right?
22:03 <+krisk> suited up i mean
22:03 <+mtgrss111> comparing girlfriends?
22:03 <+krisk> no i dont have one
22:03 < Merthsoft> this is tcpa
22:04 < Merthsoft> you think anyone in here has a girlfriend
22:04 <+mtgrss111> I'm lucky to have one o_O
22:04 <+mtgrss111> -_-
22:04 <+mtgrss111> low blow, Merth
22:04 <+krisk> also are you sure thats a girlfriend and not a plastic puppet?
22:04 < Merthsoft> heh, i've got one
22:04 <+mtgrss111> krisk: positive :P
22:04 <+krisk> i mena in port's superhighdef pic
22:08 <+mtgrss111> i can post a pic of mine later, after rugby :/
22:09 <+krisk> yay
22:09 < ports-> krisk:  me?
22:09 <+krisk> huh what
22:09 < ports-> no i dont normally go out in suits
22:09 <+krisk> oh
22:09 <+krisk> too bad
22:10 < ports-> that girl in the photo is my friend Amy.. she does beauty pageants..
22:10 <+krisk> she looks the type
22:10 < ports-> she needed a guy to stand in with her at this fashion show.. so i was in it with her
22:10 <+krisk> cool, fun
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22:10 < ports-> but see.. im a fairly attractive, and clean individual.
22:11 <+krisk> you look like a cheery indian ict support guy
22:11 <+krisk> from india, not a native american reserve
22:11 < ports-> haha
22:11 < ports-> i was born and raised in Chicago.
22:12 <+krisk> you look kind of like a younger version of that guy in goodness gracious me
22:12 <+krisk> in that pic anyway
22:12 < ports-> my "made in India" fabric tshirts are more Indian than me
22:12 < Damakaru> *Stuck in Computer Science for rest of the semester.*
22:12 <+krisk> judging by the orange girl the lighting probably helps
22:13 < ports-> krisk:  she tans a lot
22:13 <+krisk> well obviously
22:13 < ports-> i look good in that suuit
22:13 < ports-> suit
22:13 <+krisk> yes
22:13 <+krisk> looks like a good suit too
22:13 <+krisk> at least decently fitting
22:14 < ports-> it still is
22:14 <+mtgrss111> wait, wheres the suited ports pic?
22:14 < ports-> i dont know
22:14 <+krisk> http://tcpa.calcg.org/TCPA_Pictures/slides/ports.html
22:15 < ports-> yeah thatd be me
22:15 < Damakaru> *Repeats what krisk said at 04:11:19 PM CST.*
22:15 <+krisk> http://www.channel4.com/news/media/2008/04/week_4/baftas_1_g_380.jpg
22:15 < Ox40Work> WHY...
22:15 < Ox40Work> does every PDF printer choke on my resume
22:16 < Ox40Work> it only prints the first page to pdf
22:16 <+krisk> loltrials
22:16 <+mtgrss111> krisk: is that second pic you? o_O
22:16 <+krisk> what second pic
22:16 <+krisk> no
22:16 < ports-> mtgrss111:  thats a good photo of me
22:16 <+krisk> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00428/travel-graphics-200_428759a.jpg
22:16 <+krisk> see ports you look like a younger version of that guy in that pic on tcpacalcg
22:17 <+mtgrss111> ahh
22:17 < ports-> lol i dont look anything like that guy
22:17 < ports-> his smile/jaw is completely different
22:17 <+mtgrss111> he's doing some retarded robot dance o_O
22:17 <+krisk> didnt say you looked like twisn
22:18 <+krisk> just "like" as in reminds me of
22:18 <+krisk> similar to
22:18 < ports-> heh
22:18 <+krisk> but that might just be my imagine of cheery indian tech support guy
22:19 < ports-> heh
22:19 < ports-> i dont do tech support either
22:20 <+krisk> thats what they all say
22:20 <+mtgrss111> http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c119/metagross111/Image14.jpg <-- retarded pic of me. only one on the internetz
22:20 <+krisk> well there goes my boner
22:20 <+mtgrss111> i should hope so o_O
22:20 <@_Auron_> eh he's a decent looking guy
22:21 <+krisk> looks better than me
22:21  * _Auron_ is about to finish season 3 of Lost
22:21 <+mtgrss111> i liked Lost
22:21 < Merthsoft> _Auron_: do you think i'm a decent looking guy ;)
22:21 <@_Auron_> Merthsoft: can't remember what you look like
22:22 < ports-> _Auron_:  whos a decent looking guy
22:22 < Merthsoft> i look like the man of yoyr dreams
22:22 <+krisk> Lost is nice
22:22 <@_Auron_> ports-: see link above
22:22 <+mtgrss111> everyone keeps asking me if I'm asian, though O_o
22:22 < ports-> lol
22:22 < Merthsoft> !k Merth Get out of here, jesus
22:22 -!- Merth was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [Merthsoft: Get out of here, jesus]
22:22 < ports-> mtgrss111:  you look like a whop
22:22 <+mtgrss111> whop lol?
22:22 <@_Auron_> mtgrss111: you sorta look like either asian or mexican, but honestly more italian
22:22 < ports-> _Auron_:  ^5
22:22 < Damakaru> mtgrss111:  Well, you do kind of look "Mexicasian."
22:23 <+mtgrss111> either mexican or asian, _Auron_ is the first person to guess relatively close ^_^
22:23 <@_Auron_> if you had no facial hair you'd look asian
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22:23 < ports-> he didnt guess correctly
22:23 <+mtgrss111> italian is the closest guess so far
22:23 <@_Auron_> but otherwise you look more italian
22:23 < ports-> he just named off 2 of the larger non-white groups
22:23 < Merthsoft> portuguese
22:23 < ports-> and you still look like a whop.
22:24 < ports-> youre pale and have super black hair
22:24 <@_Auron_> whop?
22:24 < ports-> _Auron_:  derogatory term for an italian
22:24 < ports-> whop, dago, etc...
22:24 < Merthsoft> !k ports- whop is derogatory, cut it out
22:24 -!- ports- was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [Merthsoft: whop is derogatory, cut it out]
22:24 <+mtgrss111> <_<
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22:24 < ports-> i wasnt saying it in an insulting way
22:24 <@_Auron_> I didn't know any derogatory names for italians, but then again I live in the south
22:24 <+mtgrss111> Merth didn't find that out till now anyway, lol
22:24 < Merthsoft> ports-: it doesn't matter
22:24 < ports-> _Auron_:  you probably have never seen an italian there lol
22:24 < i_c-Y> they use it in the movie "The Graduate" when describing Ben's car.
22:25 < ports-> _Auron_:  check for hairy asses.. thats a sign of an italian too
22:25 <@_Auron_> nah I have, there's an italian place across the street from Fry's over here that has these italian guys that make fun of white people, lol
22:25 <+mtgrss111> maybe living in close proximity to mexico can make you appear mexican o_O
22:25 < ports-> lol
22:25 < Damakaru> * Steps near the border. *
22:25 < ports-> if that were true, id be a spickle too
22:26 < Damakaru> 'Sup, hombre?
22:26 < ports-> i eat at taco bell and chipotle every week
22:26 <@_Auron_> my friend josh went through a phase where he refused to wear shoes and we ate there once.. the guy at the register was like "I see you no wear shoes.. I see you here again with no shoes, I kick you out. You understand me?" to him
22:26 <@_Auron_> and then he laughed
22:26 <@_Auron_> <_< lol
22:26 <+mtgrss111> as for the asian bit, i'm not sure why people have that tendency, unless my last name trips them up.
22:26 < ports-> infact.. i had chipotle today
22:26 <@_Auron_> chipotle sounds yummy but not for today
22:26 <+mtgrss111> well, got to go AFK a while for rugby. talk to yoou guys laters
22:27 < mokomull> Taco Bell is amazing for what you can get for $5
22:27 < ports-> no
22:27 < ports-> taco bell is good.. but its shit compared to chipotle
22:27 <@_Auron_> mtgrss111: your hairstyle, black hair, tall face, and skinny eyebrows give an asian appearance
22:27 < ports-> the red chile hot sauce is so much better than fire sauce
22:27 < ports-> _Auron_:  only if he did kabuki
22:28 <@_Auron_> kabuki?
22:28 < ports-> where the rice eaters paint their faces white, and then paint on big expressions in dark colors and dance around
22:28 <@_Auron_> oy vey
22:28 < ports-> hes too pale
22:28 < ports-> thats why i keep calling him whoppy... i dont see the asian because hes not the right color
22:28 < Damakaru> * Groans. * Don't say "Taco Bell;" there is one a fifteen-minute walk away, and I'm that hungry...
22:29 < ports-> Damakaru:  i love the chalupa
22:29 <@_Auron_> there's also a lot of flash reflection in that picture
22:29 < ports-> i like to put so much fire sauce on my chalupa that i have to eat it with a knife and fork
22:29 <@_Auron_> his hand is solid white
22:29 <@_Auron_> so you can't judge by skin color that much from that picture
22:29 < Damakaru> Chicken quesidilla (SP?) or the Nacho Bell Grande.
22:29 <@_Auron_> lol, fire sauce isn't that spicy
22:30 <@_Auron_> it's spicy yes, but not intensely
22:30 < ports-> not really
22:30 < ports-> the red chile sauce is really spicy at chipotle on a good day
22:30 <@_Auron_> were you talking taco bell fire sauce or chipotle hotsauce?
22:30 < ports-> both
22:30 <@_Auron_> I see
22:31 <@_Auron_> well yeah I like the red chile sauce at chipotle
22:31 < ports-> i get upset when they dont give me enough
22:31 <@_Auron_> has watered my eyes once or twice
22:31 <@_Auron_> lol
22:31 < ports-> cuz they just dab it in the middle
22:31 < ports-> and it all falls out
22:31 < ports-> so i have to get an extra cup of it
22:31 <@_Auron_> last time I went I got a burrito bol and they only gave me like 2/3 of what they normally give -.-
22:31 <@_Auron_> for a bol I mean
22:32 < ports-> meh
22:32 < ports-> i get the tacos and eat it like a bol
22:32 < ports-> because by the time im done with my 2nd taco.. the third one is soggy and requires a fork anyway
22:32 <@_Auron_> and then when I brought that home my friends wanted to go to Ton's, so I did and ended up eating it later. heh
22:32 < ports-> get more food, and eat cheaper
22:34 <+krisk> man i should get a decent camera and be able to make decent pics with it that dont look unnatural and cold and shitty lighted
22:36 < Ox40Work> *sigh*
22:37 < Ox40Work> ok, I submitted my resume for a Help Desk job at the medical college...
22:37 < Ox40Work> basically network administration
22:37 < Ox40Work> ... now we wait
22:37 <@Andy_J> helpless desk
22:37 < ports-> good luck Ox40Work 
22:38 <+krisk> only submitted to one vacancy?
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22:41 <@E-J> krisk: i bought some time ago powershot a650is, good ~cheap cam, not an eos (as flashed pics are sometimes with poor light little bad) but mostly i can take good pictures
22:42 < Ox40Work> krisk: 2 
22:44 < Ox40Work> blehhh
22:45 <+krisk> bleh
22:45 < Ox40Work> this resume does not look right in IE7
22:45 <+krisk> why didnt you submit .doc or .pdf
22:45 < Ox40Work> I dont have enough time to do that
22:45 < Ox40Work> I submitted a PDF made from a screenshot (ghetttooo)
22:45 <@Andy_J> how can you not have enough time to do that
22:45  * Merthsoft fails hardcore at picking out bananas
22:45 <+krisk> lulz
22:45 < Merthsoft> fucking color blindnedd
22:45 <@Andy_J> you should start with a word processing file to begin with
22:49 <+krisk> hmm both cute girls i saw today werent looking very happy
22:49 <+krisk> in fact most people didnt
22:50 <+krisk> whats up with that
22:50 < sir_lewk> Ox40Work: it should be pretty easy to export documents directly to pdf, or print to pdf, or print to postscript and convert to pdf
22:50 <+krisk> if the third party failware is cooperating
22:51 <@Andy_J> third party failware?
22:51 <@Andy_J> you mean windows doesn't have a PDF button in every Print dialog ever provided by the OS itself?
22:51 <@Andy_J> :p
22:51 < sir_lewk> what an odd operating system
22:51 < i_c-Y> cutepdf writer does it nicely enough.
22:51 <+krisk> pdf printer driver > *
22:51 <@Andy_J> (I don't care how much you like Windows and hate OS X, that's one point you can't argue with.)
22:52 <+krisk> what point?
22:52 <@Andy_J> OS X has a PDF button in every Print dialog out-of-the-box
22:52 < sir_lewk> everything in linux for me has a print for file (pdf) and print to file (ps)
22:52 <+krisk> uhh ok, and thats a good thing?
22:53 < sir_lewk> absolutely, how would it be a bad thing?
22:53 <+krisk> there's enough buttons?
22:53 < sir_lewk> you select either of those instead of a real printer
22:53 <+krisk> i like the driver approach a lot better
22:53 < sir_lewk> it's the same deal
22:53 <@Andy_J> It isn't a printer, it shouldn't be listed as such.
22:54 <@Andy_J> Neither should facsimilie machines.
22:54 <+krisk> if its not a printer then why is it a button in the print dialog
22:54 <@Andy_J> Where else could you possibly put it that it would show up in any program that wishes to print?
22:54 <+krisk> if its there at all then it should be an output option not yet another button
22:54 <@Andy_J> You have to put it in that dialog, but you shouldn't list it like it's actually a printer.
22:55 < sir_lewk> KDE's dialogs lump the file outputs with the printers (ie, pdf print driver or whatever)
22:55 < sir_lewk> except you don't have any 3rd party foolery to get it working
22:55 <+krisk> actually they should upgrade the save(as) dialog in OSes to be different from 1990 too
22:55 < sir_lewk> GTK's save dialogs are horrible imho, KDE's are nice though
22:56 <+krisk> yes and no
22:56 <@Andy_J> OS X's are fine
22:56 <+krisk> all save dialogs are pretty horrible and only good for setting the name + location of the file you want to save
22:57 <+krisk> what type is actually quite horribly done considering the os manages known file types
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22:58 <+krisk> anyway
22:58 <+krisk> what would make people look so sad/serious business
22:58 < sir_lewk> http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95/stuff/save-dialog.png KDE 4.x's save dialog
22:58 < sir_lewk> works nice for me
22:59 <+krisk> theyre all pretty much the same 
22:59 < sir_lewk> gtk's just makes me want to open up my wrists
23:01 < sir_lewk> http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95/stuff/gtk-save-dialog.png
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23:01 < sir_lewk> (it's worse than it looks)
23:01 <+krisk> meh i just hit ctrl+s click on a folder type a name and enter
23:01 <@Andy_J> http://ajanata.com/junk/osx-save.png
23:01 <+krisk> works in all OSes
23:02 <@Andy_J> and if you select a file it'll show information about the file at the right side
23:02 < sir_lewk> OSX is too complicated for me >.>
23:02 <+krisk> osx responds silly
23:02 < sir_lewk> also, NiN's Ghosts rocks
23:03 < sir_lewk> :)
23:03 <+krisk> and i hope you can get rid of that file info area
23:03 <+krisk> that would bug me to no end
23:03 <@Andy_J> why would you want to?
23:03 <@E-J> krisk: in osx it's not ctrl-s, it's apple-s
23:03 <@Andy_J> the whole thing will scroll left to right if you need to
23:03 < sir_lewk> E-J: yes, but Apple is all about control ;)
23:03 <+krisk> because i know my files, i dont need to read about them in a seperate area when im trying to save a file
23:03 <@Andy_J> E-J: that key is called "command" thankyouverymuch
23:03 <@Andy_J> krisk: it's more useful in open dialogs
23:03 <+krisk> im trying to find the folder it should go in and that area is in the way of long folder names or multicolumn thumbnail view
23:04 <@E-J> Andy_J: for me it's always apple/omppu
23:04 <@Andy_J> krisk: you can risize the width of the file bit.
23:04 < sir_lewk> I want a save dialog that reads my mind
23:04 <@Andy_J> You're just bitching for the sake of bitching right now ;)
23:04 < sir_lewk> actually, stores to my mind
23:04 < sir_lewk> I want to save documents in a lossless format in my brain
23:04 <+krisk> no im just saying i dont see the point of tha area and it would actually get in my way of what the dialog is for
23:04 <+krisk> i dont ever use open dialogs btw
23:05 <+krisk> thats what file manager is for anyway
23:05 < sir_lewk> agreed
23:05 <@E-J> they can say that it's anything, but still it's omppu for me (omppu is slang version of omena which is apple in finnish)
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23:05 <+krisk> what kind of info does it show in that area?
23:05 < sir_lewk> for which, dolphin rocks imho
23:05 < sir_lewk> dolphin took a while to grow on my but I really like it now
23:05 <+krisk> file size and last update time and stuff?
23:06 <+krisk> Andy_J?
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23:07 < sir_lewk> "detailed view" kind of stuff?
23:07 <@E-J> sleep ->
23:07 < sir_lewk> over there!?!
23:07 < sir_lewk> ;)
23:08 <+krisk> hehe
23:08 <+krisk> nn ej
23:08 <@Andy_J> http://ajanata.com/junk/osx-open.png
23:08 < Nikky> haha, OS X
23:08 < Nikky> Most of us try to hide the fact we use that
23:09 <+krisk> ah that dialog confuses me
23:09 <@Andy_J> howso?
23:09 <+krisk> oh the other file columns are the path?
23:09 < Nikky> krisk: I don't blame you.
23:09 <@Andy_J> yes
23:09 < Nikky> Apple designs things to be used by complete retards.
23:09 < Nikky> So you'd have to be a retard to understand it.
23:09 < sir_lewk> http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95/stuff/kde-open.png
23:10 < Nikky> mmm, KDE
23:10 < Nikky> Now that's how a GUI is supposed to look.
23:10 < sir_lewk> I kind of like the other column thing for file managers but I would find it too cluttersome for just an open dialog
23:11 < Nikky> well, apple knows best
23:11 < sir_lewk> how dare we question our messiah Jobs
23:12 < sir_lewk> oh wait, obama has that job now
23:12 < Nikky> all glory be to him
23:12  * Nikky bows and offers large cash amounts
23:12 < sir_lewk> we need a celebrity deathmatch between Steve Jobs and Obama ;D
23:12 < Nikky> Obama would kick his ass.
23:12 < Nikky> Jobs is a wuss.
23:12 < sir_lewk> is that show still on?
23:12 <@Andy_J> it's not the entire path
23:13 < Nikky> Oh look, the mactard is speaking
23:13 < Nikky> :)
23:13 < sir_lewk> what is the path of $HOME on mac osx?
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23:13 < sir_lewk> /home or some BSDy path
23:13 < sir_lewk> ?
23:14 < ports_> hi
23:14 < Nikky> it's a sekret
23:14 <@Andy_J> it's just the base out of ~
23:14 <+krisk> yeah sorry i see how it works if youre used to it but really prefer the mainstream way
23:14 <@Andy_J> I think the other way is faster, yeah
23:14 <@Andy_J> I don't really care, tbh.
23:14 <+krisk> file details -> columns i can resize and enable/disable plz, path -> 1 lineof text plz
23:14 <+krisk> i wonder what win7 brings in this area
23:14 <@Andy_J> I can see it being useful if you've got to jump between multiple locations nested deeply in subdirectories... but it isn't ideal
23:14 <@Andy_J> I doubt it's much different than vista's
23:14 <@Andy_J> I can tell you in half an hour when it's done installing.
23:14 <+krisk> youd probably want a split file explorer when youre doing that anyway, not a file open dialog
23:14 <+krisk> ah cool
23:14 <+krisk> hmm come to think of it i guess i can try win7 out in a vm? then maybe upgrade my xp to vista to win7?
23:14 <+krisk> (xp -> win7 is right out)
23:14 <+krisk> oh, is it backwards compatible with xp themes?
23:14 <@Andy_J> is vista?
23:14 <+krisk> idk
23:14 <@Andy_J> holy lag
23:14 <+krisk> wtf
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23:14 < krisk> huhwhat
23:14 <@Andy_J> efnet is lagging
23:14 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v krisk] by etaonrish, efneTI81, efneTI80
23:15 < Nikky> Yes.
23:15 < Nikky> Still better than shitnode
23:15 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: /Users
23:15 < Nikky> or indienets
23:16 < TD-Linux> krisk: no
23:17 < TD-Linux> "[17:14] <krisk> oh, is it backwards compatible with xp themes?"
23:17 <+krisk> D:
23:17 < TD-Linux> at least I don't think so
23:17 < TD-Linux> use google to verify
23:17 <+krisk> i tried but cant find anything relative
23:18 <@Andy_J> it's not like anybody ever made any XP themse
23:18 <@Andy_J> MS certainly didn't
23:19 <+krisk> lolwut
23:19 <@Andy_J> there's the default theme and there's the media center theme (which is the same thing in different colors_
23:20 <@Andy_J> and anybody who's smart turned themes off anyway because they waste resources
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23:21 <+krisk> http://24.132.239.72/lolwut.JPG
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23:24 < sir_lewk> "<@Andy_J> sir_lewk: /Users" O.o
23:24 <@Andy_J> What's wrong with that?
23:25 <+krisk> from reading user comments to themes i have to conclude vista cant use xp themes : (
23:25 < sir_lewk> I always thought those were just "user friendly" symlinks or something
23:25 <@Andy_J> they do everything that shows up in Finder by default as /Directory
23:25 < sir_lewk> it's very unixy
23:25 <@Andy_J> /Applications /System /Library /Volumes /Users
23:25 < sir_lewk> does it still have a /usr/* though?
23:25 <@Andy_J> also /Developer
23:26 <@Andy_J> of course it does
23:26 < sir_lewk> ok
23:26 <@Andy_J> I just said stuff that shows up in Finder by default ;)
23:26 < sir_lewk> ah, gotcha
23:26 <@Andy_J> {504} ajanata@fuery:~$ ls -F /
23:26 <@Andy_J> Applications/		Library/		Volumes/		etc@			mach_kernel		private/		var@
23:26 <@Andy_J> Desktop DB		Network/		bin/			gpg.docs.english.pkg/	mach_kernel.ctfsys	sbin/
23:26 <@Andy_J> Desktop DF		System/			cores/			home/			net/			tmp@
23:26 <@Andy_J> Developer/		Users/			dev/			mach.sym		opt/			usr/
23:27 <@Andy_J> hmm, /home shouldn't be there, it's empty
23:27 < sir_lewk> the first time I saw /usr/username it totally threw me off
23:28 < sir_lewk> I think that was a solaris system, not sure
23:28 <@Andy_J> *bsd uses /usr/home/ IIRC
23:28 <+krisk> ooh boxes
23:28 <@Andy_J> with symlinks in /home
23:28 <@Andy_J> or rather /home as a symlink
23:29 < Nikky> Shut up.
23:29 < sir_lewk> >.>
23:29 < Nikky> Nobody cares.
23:29  * sir_lewk --> nap
23:30 <@Andy_J> Clearly sir_lewk did
23:30 < Nikky> Just to laugh.
23:30 < sir_lewk> such things interest me
23:30 < sir_lewk> but now I am tired
23:34 < ports_> wheres krisk
23:34 < ports_> i have something for him to watch
23:34 < ports_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CjjC7B6v8Y
23:35 <+krisk> :o
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23:36 <+krisk> least i could do is so lame
23:37 < Damakaru> TD-Linux (05:16:55 PM CST, 05:17:06 PM CST) / krisk (05:14:05 PM CST):  No.  Already tried.
23:37 < ports_> krisk, fuck off
23:37 < Nikky> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=8533&hl= what a loser
23:37 <+krisk> what's with the timestamps
23:37 < Nikky> who the hell uses "thereof"
23:37 < ports_> LICD is awesome
23:38 < Damakaru> krisk:  It's for replies.
23:38 <+krisk> i cant see what it refers to on my end because my time is different
23:38 <@Andy_J> if you're going to give timestamps, at least give them in UTC
23:38 <+krisk> and synched to the second with my pc
23:39 <+krisk> cause even if i adjust the hours for timezones itll still be different seconds depending on how synched the clocks are with eachother
23:39 <+krisk> or minutes even
23:39 <+krisk> ports_ isnt one of the characters on licd emo?
23:39 < Spengo> losers at UTI?
23:39 < Spengo> whodathunkit
23:39 <@Andy_J> ^
23:40 < Spengo> oh no
23:40 < Spengo> is that one of those furfags
23:40 <+krisk> more or less
23:40 <+krisk> the oath thing really isnt a big deal right?
23:40 < Nikky> nobody cares
23:40 <+krisk> good
23:40 < Spengo> yeah he messed up the oath, made me lol, but whatever
23:43 < ports_> mm
23:43 < ports_> string cheese
23:45 <+krisk> http://www.leasticoulddo.com/comic/20030218
23:45 -!- JoelS [~JSeligste@204.15.21.168] has joined #tcpa
23:48 < Nikky> lol krisk 
23:48 < Nikky> (laughing at krisk, not at the link, which I didn't look at)
23:48 <+krisk> hehe
23:48 <+krisk> :)
23:59 < Damakaru> *Yawns, goes off to do module tracking.*
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