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00:09 <+krisk> so, 14 feb soon huh
00:11 <@_Auron_> Merthsoft: accidently scrollwheel'ed up?
00:11 < Merthsoft> no, it just happens whenever i start
00:12 <@_Auron_> lame
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00:13 <@_Auron_> oh, xchat. boo-hiss
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00:13 <+krisk> hoo biss
00:14 < Merthsoft> hahahah
00:14 < Merthsoft> says the guy using mirc
00:14 < leofox> xchat is crap
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00:26 <+krisk> http://www.johnandjohn.nl/write/jaj674.gif
00:26 <+krisk> haha
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00:30 <+krisk> Ginger Snaps a nice movie? ( sir_lewk highlight )
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00:48 < Damakaru> Jeez.  I don't know if what I'm using is music-making software, or an IRC/Voice chat client...
00:49 < j-b-r> ???
00:49 <+krisk> beep
00:50 < Damakaru> j-b-r:  MadTracker.  It's supposed to be a module tracker, but it's got a friggin' IRC and voice chat client built into it.
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00:51 < j-b-r> Uh-huh...
00:55 < Milyardo> What he said
00:56 <+patz2009> !topic Welcome to TCPA | Texas Cactus Pruning Association | http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2736 | 3 days
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01:36 < Nikky> Calculators suck.
01:39 <+patz2009> Nikky sucks on calculators
01:43 < smart_> I lost my girlfriend to the Wii.
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01:47 < Nikky> smart_: good
01:48 < Nikky> You suck.
01:48 < Nikky> Floridaite
01:48 < Nikky> AKA
01:48 < Nikky> Lamer
01:49 < sir_lewk> ahhh Nikky
01:49 < sir_lewk> so articulate
01:49 < smart_> :-D
01:50 < Nikky> Shut up sir_lewk 
01:51 < sir_lewk> I find it cute how you have to revert to such blunt wording in your retorts
01:51 < sir_lewk> ;P
01:52 <+patz2009> I find you cute, sir_lewk :)
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01:54 < sir_lewk> I find you sexy patz2009
01:54 < sir_lewk> lets make babies
01:55 <+patz2009> and then let's eat them!
01:56 <+mtgrss111> yo!
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02:10 < sir_lewk> "Texas Cactus Pruning Association" hahaha
02:14 <+mtgrss111> awesome
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02:19 < krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODC1eeJHSMU
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02:28 < Nikky> Hi ReDeEm :)
02:29 < ReDeEm> hey hunny
02:29 < ReDeEm> ^.^
02:29 < Nikky> Stand and deliver.
02:29 < ReDeEm> http://rafb.net/p/qsbGkQ71.html <- Pretty language, huh?
02:32 < TheStorm> crap Marquette waitlisted me :(
02:32 < Nikky> wow, that's ugly
02:33 < Nikky> TheStorm: washington.edu
02:35 < TheStorm> meh I got into MSOE and UW-Platteville.
02:35 < Nikky> TheStorm: washington.edu
02:35 < TheStorm> I'm really jsut hopeing for Michigan tech
02:35 < Nikky> TheStorm: washington.edu
02:36 < TheStorm> ahh their home page scares me more than KDE
02:37 < ReDeEm> *lip quiver* OHMYGOD im trolling a troll!!! :)
02:37 < ReDeEm> and hes biting!
02:37 < Nikky> I love KDE>
02:37 < Nikky> ReDeEm: I'm not biting.
02:38 < ReDeEm> Nikky: nah, some other dude...
02:38 < Nikky> So it's not really trolling.
02:38 < ReDeEm> lol
02:51 < Damakaru> *Thinks Nikky loves both GNOME and KDE.*
02:51 < Nikky> GNOME rules.
02:51 < Nikky> KDE is for losers.
02:52 < Nikky> Nobody cool likes KDE>
02:52 < Nikky> Like Kevin Kofler... he likes KDE>
02:52 < Nikky> And he's a huge ass
02:54 < Merthsoft> i like windos
02:56 < ReDeEm> Today... for lunch...
02:56 < Damakaru> If (buffer.findstri("gnome")), then print "GNOME"; else if (buffer.findstri("kde"), print "KDE".  Print " is for losers."
02:56 < ReDeEm> er, dinner.
02:57 < ReDeEm> I put butter in a pan, started browning some onions, then cooked a burger patty in it (with the onions), then beer battered (just the patty) and deep fried it, then put it on a toasted bun with cheeze and the onions, dipped in ketchup.
02:58 < Merthsoft> sounds deliciously suicidal
02:58 < ReDeEm> yeah, I felt bad for eating it..
02:58 < ReDeEm> like, mentally bad
02:58 < Damakaru> (Vista's font in IRC makes people sound "smart" for some reason...)
02:59 < ReDeEm> :P
03:00 <@_Auron_> ...
03:00 < ReDeEm> Doesnt that sound awesome?
03:00 < Damakaru> So awesome, that, apparently, according to Auron, words cannot describe it.
03:01 < ReDeEm> :)
03:02 < ReDeEm> Damakaru: nice use of commas... 
03:03 <+mtgrss111> wow, some IRC channels are run by a bunch of asshats ( not this one, lol )
03:04 < Merthsoft> this one is
03:07 < Nikky> Yep.
03:07 < Nikky> _Auron_ is a real asshat
03:07 < Nikky> As is all of freenode
03:07 < Merthsoft> i meant chronomex 
03:07 < Nikky> He is too.
03:10 <+mtgrss111> one particular sight had 40 bloody IRC rules!
03:10 <+mtgrss111> *site
03:11 <+mtgrss111> and a script that 5-minute banned any user to utter any one of possibly 50 common words.
03:11 < Nikky> good idea
03:13 <+mtgrss111> including the words "script", "ban", "site", "bot", "!", and "#"
03:13 <+mtgrss111> which also includes any word that has that word in it. like "manuscript"
03:13 < Merthsoft> what if they said "I just read the best movie script ever!"
03:14 <+mtgrss111> 5 minute bann'd
03:14 <+mtgrss111> if you try to contest it, they'll easily add an our to it. that's Rule 10
03:14 <+mtgrss111> *hour
03:14 < Merthsoft> that's stupid
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03:14 <+mtgrss111> isn't it?
03:15 <+mtgrss111> I just got banned for pointing this out. There was no problem till others started to agree with me...
03:15 < Nikky> what is this shitty channel?
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03:16 <+mtgrss111> server: irc.purplesurge.com, channel #SPP
03:16 <+mtgrss111> i think i may have been banned more than 5 minutes o_O
03:16 <+mtgrss111> they have like a bunch of other channels too
03:17 < Nikky> Don't go then.
03:17 <+mtgrss111> the general channel (#SPP), is a lot less restrictive, as it's general chat <_<;;;
03:17 < Nikky> You should go to furryfire
03:17 <+mtgrss111> but the subsets are screwed
03:24 < Nikky> DO IT
03:24 < Nikky> WHORE
03:27 <+mtgrss111> eh?
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03:31 <+mtgrss111> and, i successfully got kicked from the subset as well XD
03:31 < Nikky> Who cares.
03:32 <+mtgrss111> the ops do, they are EXTREMELY pissed at me. is it wrong that im enjoying this?
03:33 <@chronomex> mildly
03:33 < Nikky> Yes.
03:33 < Nikky> Troll.
03:34 <+mtgrss111> eh, if it's only mildly, then i can deal :P
03:35 < bsparks> SUPERBOWL! WOOOO
03:35 < Nikky> Shut up.
03:35 < Nikky> The Steelers suck so hard.
03:35 < Nikky> It forces me to root for Arizona.
03:35 < bsparks> fuck you
03:36 < Nikky> I wasn't aware people still lived in Pittsburg.
03:36 < bsparks> that's because you still live in your lowly corner of the country
03:36 < Nikky> Steel mills.
03:36 < Nikky> Wasn't that your main economy?
03:36 < bsparks> yup
03:37 < Nikky> How's the steel industry these days? ;)
03:37 < bsparks> been worse
03:43 < millinao> hey screw you nikky
03:43 < millinao> :P
03:44 <+mtgrss111> don't screw nikky ya sick bastard
03:44 < Nikky> Thanks millinao.
03:45 <+mtgrss111> scuse me for assuming your sexual orientation :/
03:46 < millinao> i think my friends think i'm gay
03:46 < bsparks> millinao, they do
03:46 <+mtgrss111> im bored. anyone want to play the orange block?
03:46 < Nikky> I think you're too young to know.
03:46 < Nikky> Is that slang for "use drugs?"
03:47 < ReDeEm> hmmm
03:47 < ReDeEm> Is there any way to see where a function is being called from in PHP?
03:47 < millinao> wtf is the orange block
03:47 < Nikky> No, perl can do that.
03:47 < Nikky> But PHP can't.
03:47 < bsparks> who here has any experience in burning DVDs to play in a DVD player?
03:47 < millinao> redeem: it's called "debugging"
03:47 < Nikky> use devede bsparks 
03:47 <+mtgrss111> some blockland mod dshiznit made. pretty fun.
03:47 < millinao> lol blockland
03:47 < Nikky> millinao: Sush, you'll confuse the php scripter.
03:48 < millinao> haha
03:48 < bsparks> Nikky, I am more concerned about the medium than the program
03:48 < Nikky> DVD+R or DVD-R
03:48 < Nikky> doesn't make a difference anymore
03:48 < bsparks> I can use either?
03:48 < Nikky> Unless your burner is old.
03:48 < bsparks> What if said DVD player is from 04
03:49 < Nikky> Kill it.
03:49 < bsparks> Howaboutno
03:49 < millinao> whats the difference
03:49 < bsparks> I just wanted to know if using +R or -R made any difference to the DVD player
03:49 < Nikky> probably won't
03:50 < Nikky> find your manual if you really want to know for sure
03:50 < ReDeEm> So, anyone wanna help debug this function? http://rafb.net/p/3qvw8K97.html
03:50 < bsparks> Nikky, it's from 04, why would I have the manual?
03:50 < Nikky> Why wouldn't you?
03:51 < Nikky> ReDeEm: Try using another language that doesn't suck.
03:51 < ReDeEm> Nikky: nah, im good.
03:51 < ReDeEm> So, about debugging that.
03:51 < bsparks> Nikky, idk, it's been moved 3 times, the papers got lost
03:51 < millinao> whats so confusing about that function
03:52 < ReDeEm> its not working
03:52 < millinao> are you sure you're allowed to use $return
03:52 < ReDeEm> jup
03:53 < TD-Linux> EPIC FAIL: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ao2lo89j50ot9MS7Z8sPYnl46xR.;_ylv=3?qid=20090118171133AAL2mRr
03:56 < bsparks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene_glycol#Clinical_uses
03:57 < millinao> http://www.radions.net/philcode.htm old school text-speak
03:58 < ReDeEm> TD-Linux: what is polyethylene glycol?
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04:01 < TD-Linux> ReDeEm, antifreeze
04:02 < TD-Linux> oh wait
04:02 < TD-Linux> I'm wrong aren't I?
04:02 < TD-Linux> that's ethylene glycol
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04:08 < millinao> yes
04:10 < bsparks> TD-Linux, way to fail
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04:39 <@_Auron_> <ds5> a girl i know just commented on that photo: haha, vad gor du dar borta i sverige egentligen My?
04:39 <@_Auron_> wtf does that mean
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05:09 < Damakaru> Yay, I'm almost done finishing up all the little fragments of music I had written, lying around everywhere...
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05:12 < i_c-Y> hi
05:14 <@_Auron_> WTF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlVUXLBJg14&feature=channel_page
05:17 < Damakaru> *Cracks up.*
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05:22 <@efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
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05:40 <@_Auron_> LOL
05:40 <@_Auron_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVKix2CDL1Y&feature=related
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05:50 < millinao> wow
05:50 < millinao> i'm that guy
05:50 < millinao> the guy who factchecks what everyone says on wikipedia
06:09 <@Andy_J> [citation needed]
06:10 < Tari> one essay down
06:10 < Tari> 3 to go by tuesday
06:11 < Tari> hey, it's monday EST
06:12 < i_c-Y> !t Welcome to TCPA | Telepathic cookie-eating psychopath association| http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2736 | 3 days
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06:14 < i_c-Y> !t Welcome to TCPA | Telepathic cookie-junkie psychopath association| http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2736 | 3 days
06:14 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to TCPA | Telepathic cookie-junkie psychopath association| http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2736 | 3 days
06:14 <@Andy_J> lies, 1 day.
06:14 < millinao> is it actually one day
06:14 < millinao> whoah
06:15 <@Andy_J> 1 days 10 hours 45 minutes 00 seconds according to my dashbaord widget
06:15 <@Andy_J> *44 minutes
06:15 <@Andy_J> My money is on it saying -1 days
06:15 < i_c-Y> !t Welcome to TCPA | Telepathic cookie-junkie psychopath association| http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2736 | 1 day
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06:15 <@Andy_J> is that really what the topic has been counting down?
06:16 < i_c-Y> hell if i know
06:16 <@Andy_J> :p
06:16 <@_Auron_> the start of the semester?
06:17 <@_Auron_> or obama
06:17 <@Andy_J> obamorama!\
06:17  * _Auron_ bops andy
06:17 <@Andy_J> diddy obama blog?
06:17  * Andy_J just drove for 6 hours so is in a silly mood
06:17 <@_Auron_> geeze
06:18 <@Andy_J> in heavy snow for about an hour of that
06:18 <@Andy_J> so yeah.
06:18 <@Andy_J> gogo sticking the transmission in first gear
06:21 < Tari> I'm going to force myself to write a page of garbage about duality in Hamlet before I can sleep
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06:25 < millinao> just say there was none
06:29 < Tari> nah
06:29 < millinao> deny the existence of it
06:29 < Tari> it's going pretty quick
06:29 < Tari> and I got to say 'regicide'
06:30 < millinao> nice
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06:52 < Tari> yay, done
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07:08 < Damakaru> Aw, crap, I have classes in the morning.  :/
07:08 < Damakaru> *Shrugs and goes off to bed.*
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07:37 <@_Auron_> wow, zimbabwe's economy turned to dust
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07:58 < millinao> and the loser bites the dust
07:58 < millinao> dun, dun dun dun
07:58 <+Netham45> <Damakaru> Aw, crap, I have classes in the morning.  :/     I wonder if he realizes tomorrow is MLK day
07:58 < millinao> hahah
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08:04 <@chronomex> Netham45: I hope not, the lulz will be epic
08:04 <@chronomex> isn't he black too?
08:05 < millinao> hahaha
08:05 < millinao> yes, yes he is
08:06 < millinao> i was wondering why the hell you asked that until I made the connection
08:06 <@chronomex> :P
08:07 < millinao> i wonder why we still have black history month; doesn't that just contribute to racism
08:10 < Nikky> lulz at #omnimaga http://pastebin.com/m435f07a7
08:10 < Nikky> what a loser
08:13 < millinao> why did he ban you
08:13 < Nikky> dunno
08:13 < Nikky> because I might cause trouble in a +m channel
08:14 < Nikky> I actually just joined to see what was there and forgot to part
08:14 < millinao> your presence bothers him
08:14 < Nikky> so I came back to that tab and saw it
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09:06 < _Digital> so I'm trying to figure out how I acquired 13 GB of received network traffic while I was at work.
09:06 < _Digital> anyone know what I should look for?
09:07 < millinao> pings
09:07 < millinao> a LOT of pings
09:07 < _Digital> I first read that as pigs
09:08 < millinao> nevermind sleep time
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09:22 <@chronomex> god, the TIGCC fork flamewar is still up
09:22 <@chronomex> someone needs to give us a news article, stat!
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09:53 <@E-J> http://www.kolumbus.fi/luodes/Fit.htm
10:02 <@E-J> http://singularityhub.com/2009/01/12/a-review-of-the-best-robots-of-2008/
10:32 < nicolas> and here's my contribution for a review of 2008: http://coedmagazine.com/girls/49581/
10:35 < nicolas> and that's probably #1 sign that I need a girlfriend, and need to get laid :p
10:55 <+ix> what a fine collection.
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11:46 <@E-J> http://www.fhm.com/reviews/music/take-that-smell-like-teen-spirit-20081125
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12:12 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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12:56 <@efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
12:56 <@benryves> Heya TheStorm
12:57 < TheStorm> 'lo benryves 
12:59 <@benryves> How's it going?
12:59 < bsparks> 'lo ben
13:00 <@benryves> Hi bsparks :)
13:01 < TheStorm> Good, how goes it for you?
13:01 <@benryves> Not bad, thanks, grumpy at the freakish TI-84+. :)
13:02  * bsparks grumbles at the internet :(
13:04 <@benryves> In general or your connection? :P
13:04 < bsparks> I dunno. I can't seem to find a product that probably doesn't exist
13:05 <@benryves> What's that, then?
13:05 < bsparks> a way to use my ipt2g as a 3rd monitor
13:06 <@benryves> Not sure I can help you then (not knowing what ipt2g is). :(
13:06 < bsparks> iPod touch 2g
13:07 <@benryves> Looks like VNC does it.
13:07 < bsparks> nono
13:08 < bsparks> I want to expand my screen space
13:08 < bsparks> not just look at a part of it/control any of it
13:08 <@benryves> Indeed, I know. :) http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109969
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13:09 < bsparks> that
13:09 < bsparks> and VNC on a.. uhh... crap, blanked out on the math
13:11 < bsparks> 3280x1050 screen tunneled to a 480x320 screen?
13:11 <@benryves> I hooked up my Game Gear as a second monitor once, that was "fun" (insofar as a 160x144 pixel external display can be fun). :P
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13:12 < bsparks> it would be nice if I could set up VNC to create a virtual monitor
13:13 <@benryves> I've never used VNC nor an iPod and haven't been near a Mac in about five years, so I'm not one for answers. :(
13:13 < bsparks> well the only trivial bit is the mac really =/
13:13 < bsparks> it has VNC built in :)
13:17 <@E-J> !topic Welcome to TCPA | http://www.junemann.nl/maxcoderz/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2736 | Today is the most miserable day of the year
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13:17 < bsparks> E-J, ?
13:17 < bsparks> oh, it's monday
13:17 <@benryves> The 19th January
13:17 <@E-J> it's blue monday according to some british scientist
13:19 <@E-J> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Monday_(date)
13:27 <@E-J> http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/159392.asp
13:28 <@benryves> http://music.metafilter.com/2943/Runnin-With-The-Songsmith
13:31 <@E-J> that link i pasted goes little *facepalm* in end
13:36  * E-J is listening that vocal track part
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13:37 <@E-J> hmm, i don't think simon cowell would let david lee get to next round with that performance
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13:38 <@benryves> Hehe :)
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15:25 <@efneTI92> [PhillipA] Success is a journey, not a destination.  So stop running.
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15:53 < ports_> http://i.gizmodo.com/5134302/big-shot-allegedly-throws-taco-at-mommy-for-unplugging-xbox
15:54 <+PhillipA> haha... that kid deserves whatever he gets...
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16:37 <+PhillipA> how much memory, starting at 9D95, is available for ASM programs? i forgot
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16:38 <@benryves> PhillipA: Depends on how many variables are stored on the calculator. However, code cannot execute past C000, so you effectively have 8,811 bytes of code.
16:38 <+PhillipA> thanks....
16:38 <@benryves> You can stuff as much data as you like past C000 :)
16:39 <+PhillipA> ...as long as you don't run into, say, the Z80 stack
16:39 <@benryves> The Z80 stack is fixed at the end of memory, so you won't run into it (assuming you're allocating memory sensibly).
16:40 <@benryves> Are you running assembly programs from a shell, or trying to allocate the memory yourself?
16:40 <+PhillipA> i'm trying to do it w/o a shell... writing a program in c, will be rather hughe
16:40 <+PhillipA> *huge
16:41 <@benryves> An app?
16:41 <+PhillipA> yeah, but I can't make sdcc work w/ apps, crashes every time, so i'm just doing a prgm
16:41 <@benryves> The TI-OS will not load programs larger than the 8.8K limit into memory.
16:42 <+PhillipA> okay, i'll make *two* programs, then... one containing all the data... or just sacrifice the calc's RAM state
16:43 <+PhillipA> make the --data-loc at the end of system RAM (flags, etc.), or something
16:43 < nicolas> benryves: I thought it will load it .. but if  you execute past that seconds page the calc resets
16:43 <@Andy_J> Use a saferam area.
16:43 <@benryves> nicolas: The TI-OS refuses to load it IIRC.
16:44 < nicolas> oh, I guess to avoid triggering a reset
16:44 <+PhillipA> i'll still need the OS for some things, but I don't care about anything else in RAM
16:44 < nicolas> but.. i'm pretty sure Gemini and whatnot was bigger than 8k 
16:44 <@Andy_J> That still doesn't give you the right to trounce all over RAM.
16:44 <@benryves> nicolas: That was run from a shell, which doesn't impose that limitation.
16:44 <@Andy_J> Use saferam, or allocate a temporary variable and use that.
16:44 < nicolas> benryves: you sure it was from a shell? could very well be .. haven't touched my calcs in a loooong time
16:45 <@Andy_J> How much data storage do you need?
16:45 <@benryves> nicolas: Positive. :) I cap HIMEM to C000 for the same reason, though let the user increase it if they know what they're doing.
16:45 <@Andy_J> (The bigger question is, why use sdcc in the first place)
16:45 <+PhillipA> well, i'm using a c compiler to write a rudimentary Computer Algebra System, so do the math
16:45 <@Andy_J> That doesn't tell me anything.
16:45 <+PhillipA> sdcc doesn't optimize very well
16:45 <@benryves> The maths stuff should probably be written in straight Z80 assembler, though I can see the UI being written in C.
16:46 <@Andy_J> *data* storage, not code size.
16:46 <@Andy_J> sdcc will probably fill up 8.8k in a hurry
16:46 <+PhillipA> Andy_J: oh, enough to symbolically represent any math expression you could dream of
16:46 <@Andy_J> So infinity bytes.
16:46 <@benryves> Ideally, work out why you can't get apps working. You can just _InsertMem to 9D95 to allocate as much memory as you need (assuming the calc has enough free).
16:48 < nicolas> PhillipA: can I ask why you are undertaking this project?
16:48 <+PhillipA> nicolas: contest
16:48 <@benryves> Code size is less of a problem when you're dealing with a minimum of 16KB in the first place. ;)
16:48 <+PhillipA> sponsored by freshbrain.org, which admittedly is run by a bunch of idiots, but oh well
16:49 <+PhillipA> it's due on Feb. 15th or so...
16:49 <@Andy_J> CASes aren't very easy to write in the first place
16:50 <+PhillipA> no, but when lots of them have already been written...
16:50 <+PhillipA> I bought a book that discusses some of the theory
16:50 <@benryves> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/14/144/144039.html ?
16:52 <+PhillipA> wow... 404 on the link though
16:52 <@Andy_J> It was just the 8xk anyway
16:54 <+PhillipA> i'm going to start by writing malloc routines, which I will need
16:54 <+PhillipA> and yes, this program will probably destroy ram
16:54 < nicolas> the original idea for Typhoon was too screw the TI-OS ram (vars apps etc) to have as much as possible
16:54 <@Andy_J> Then you can't really use *any* OS routines.
16:54 <@Andy_J> They all depend on the RAM being in a consistent state.
16:55 <+PhillipA> Andy_J: not true, if I don't bother what TI calls "System Ram" in low memory
16:55 <+PhillipA> flags, graph screen buffer, etc.
16:55 < nicolas> PhillipA: yeah, but it will crash as soon as it tries to do something with the VAT 
16:55 <+PhillipA> I'm not going to use the OS for any math computations, no calls to ParseInp at all, and I'm not going to create any variables
16:55 <@Andy_J> It won't be stable.
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16:56 < nicolas> PhillipA: yeah, but if y ou use all that ram you're saying  you'll be overwriting the VAT etc ... which the TI-OS will choke on if you ever return control to it
16:56 <@Andy_J> You're asking for trouble.
16:57 <@Andy_J> It isn't a valid program if the only way to exit it is to reset RAM.
16:57 < bsparks> PhillipA, go to UTI forums, and ask for Imbian :)
16:57 <+PhillipA> oh well, i'll just see what happens - basically, I'm just going to use the OS for display routines, w/ a few exceptions
16:57 <@Andy_J> Then you'd better not trounce on its screen buffers.
16:57 <+PhillipA> and I'll do, say, a rst 00h as an exit routine
16:57 <@Andy_J> ... which would be the ideal place to use for saferam, ironically.
16:58 <+PhillipA> Andy_J: i'll need a heck of a lot more than 768 bytes
16:58 <@Andy_J> Either just use saferam, or figure out why it won't work as an app.
16:58 <@Andy_J> PhillipA: there are a lot of saferam areas
16:58 <@Andy_J> Or just alloc a temporary variable from the OS
16:58 < nicolas> yeah, that's what I was gonna say
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16:58 < nicolas> allocate a big ass appvar, and use that as your "memory"
16:58 <@Andy_J> Not even an appvar
16:59 <@Andy_J> An actual tempvar.
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16:59 < nicolas> bah, why not an appvar, you might want to keep state :)
16:59 <@Andy_J> eh
16:59 <@Andy_J> You're still going to have issues with 8.8k of code
16:59 <@Andy_J> ~15.9k in an app would be much better
17:00 < nicolas> or even a multipage app if you need
17:00 <@Andy_J> I don't even want to wonder how you'd manage that with sdcc
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17:00 <@Andy_J> but then again there's a reason why nobody uses sdcc on the 83+
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17:00 < nicolas> i'm pretty sure a full featured CAS will require multiple pages :D
17:00 <+krisk> i read that 0.999... = 1 because there are no numbers in between. how dumb is that
17:01 <@Andy_J> Probably better off using sdcc to make chunks of the code then sticking them into an assembly project
17:01 <+PhillipA> krisk: the limit is 1, but in fact it's lim 1 - 1/n as n -> infinity
17:01 <@Andy_J> and cleaning it up a bit (optimize, making it fit, page jumps, etc.)
17:01 <+krisk> its like saying well there's no other letters between a and b so a = b
17:01 <@Andy_J> No, it isn't like that at all
17:01 <@Andy_J> letters are discrete
17:02 <@Andy_J> numbers are not
17:02 <@Andy_J> That isn't the right reasoning, krisk, but the statement is true
17:02 < Tari> the difference between 0.999... is infintesemal
17:02 <+PhillipA> 0.999.... is not equal to 1... just ask someone from Intel :D
17:02 < Tari> if you can't measure it, does it exist..?
17:02 <+krisk> note I said  "it's like saying.." not "it's the same thing as saying.."
17:03 <@Andy_J> It isn't even like saying it.
17:03 <@Andy_J> lol, intel
17:03 <@Andy_J> PhillipA: just ask anybody using ieee floating point representation. you don't even have to have the horribly broken p1 :p
17:03 <@benryves> PhillipA: Which is why you always use | a - b | < epsilon
17:04 <+krisk> gah freaking new ads on 4chan arent blocked by adblock
17:04 <+krisk> and my tummy hurts : (
17:04 < bsparks> btw
17:05 <@Andy_J> lol 4chan
17:05 < bsparks> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PITTSBURGH 
17:05 <@Andy_J> ^
17:05 <@Andy_J> It was a tough call
17:05 <@Andy_J> but I can *never* bring myself to root for the ravens
17:05 < bsparks> heh
17:05 <@Andy_J> Now I must flop back to Arizona.
17:05 < bsparks> aww :(
17:05 <@Andy_J> I can't really root for the steelers either :p
17:05 < bsparks> why not?
17:06 <@Andy_J> They were the lesser of two evils in that game.
17:06 < Damakaru> Is it possible to set up a server on my computer that can be accessed from the outside, even though I am behind a firewall?
17:06 <+mtgrss111> wow, everyone's talking about this o_O
17:06 <@Andy_J> bsparks: well let's see.
17:06 <@Andy_J> browns, etc.
17:06 <@benryves> Damakaru: Exceptions on the firewall and port forwarding on the router.
17:06 <+krisk> Damakaru: yes it should be possible if a port is opened on the firewall
17:06 <@Andy_J> bsparks: blackened solo e full speed FC tapping \m/ (several times by now)
17:06 < Nikky> Don't worry andy.
17:06 < Nikky> I hate the steelers too.
17:07 < bsparks> Andy_J, you and your fake rivalry 
17:07 <@Andy_J> not a fake rivalry
17:07 < bsparks> steelers v ravens is more of a rivalery =/
17:07 <@Andy_J> oh.
17:07  * benryves has no idea WTF any of you are talking about now.
17:07 <@Andy_J> that isn't hte point <_<
17:07 <@Andy_J> benryves: "football"
17:08 < Nikky> No, it's American Football.
17:08 <@benryves> Andy_J: Ick, spectator sports. :(
17:08 <@Andy_J> hence the quotes, Nikky 
17:08 < Nikky> Or just call it american football
17:08 < bsparks> honestly, I know less Steelers fans that are against Browns than Browns fans against Steelers, but I know equal amounts of Ravens and Steelers haters that root for the other team religiously :)
17:08 < Nikky> and not use quotgres
17:09 <@Andy_J> you don't live around here :b
17:09 < bsparks> but I digress
17:09 <@benryves> Or "handegg".
17:09 <@E-J> i think it's rugby with american rules
17:09 < bsparks> Andy_J, every brown fan I know hates the steelers, most steelers fans I know accept the browns existance :)
17:09 <@Andy_J> because they know we suck :)
17:09 < bsparks> pretty much
17:09 < bsparks> but it's cool :)
17:10 <@Andy_J> whereas the browns fans are in denial
17:11 < bsparks> never been to the bowl :)
17:11 <+krisk> fuck yeah football!
17:11  * krisk drinks beer
17:11 <+krisk> woo!
17:11  * krisk moons crowd
17:11  * krisk passes out in puddle of vomit
17:12 <@Andy_J> doesn't quite work that way around here :)
17:12 <+mtgrss111> right, the smell and noise usually cements the emotion
17:12 <@Andy_J> at least football has a lot of strategy
17:12 <@Andy_J> unlike baseball
17:13 <+krisk> football and rugby are quite awesome
17:13 <+mtgrss111> baseball is a point-and-click adventure game. "Use BAT on BALL."
17:13 <@benryves> Jan Švankmajer - Virile Games - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pUDK54MFjY8
17:13 <@Andy_J> "Use BALL on BATTER."
17:13 <+mtgrss111> "Go FIRST BASE."
17:13 <+krisk> god tier: olympic weightlifting, top tier: football and rugby, middle tier: most everything else, shit tier: soccer
17:14 <@Andy_J> "go BRAWL ON FIELD"
17:14 <+mtgrss111> >:O
17:14 <+mtgrss111> Soccer =/= shit tier
17:14 <@Andy_J> "Eject COACH from GAME"
17:14 <@Andy_J> of course then you get the unassisted triple plays
17:14 <@Andy_J> how would you indicate those?
17:15 <+mtgrss111> mYBE MIDDLE TIER IF NOT TOP
17:15 <+mtgrss111> oops, sorry
17:15 <+krisk> fooling around with a soccer football with buddies on a field = top tier, soccer as a sport = shit tier
17:15 <+mtgrss111> soccer as a sport = awesome
17:16 <@benryves> Football (or "soccer", which is short for Association Football) is the #1 spectator sport worldwide if you're going purely by numbers.
17:16 <@E-J> Andy_J: you should try finnish baseball, it has more tactics
17:17 <+krisk> im sure it has the most viewers. its the national sport and the only sport that gets any attention here in nl
17:17 <+krisk> still think it sucks as a sport though
17:17 <+mtgrss111> :P
17:18 <+krisk> cant think of any sport where the players are bigger douches
17:19 <+mtgrss111> oh my god, all done, I'll be damned!
17:19 <+mtgrss111> o_O
17:20 <+mtgrss111> uTorrent seems to be particularly in a good mood today.
17:20 <@Andy_J> more likely the tracker
17:20 <+mtgrss111> trackers...
17:20 <@Andy_J> whatever
17:20 <+mtgrss111> like, a lot of trackers O_o
17:21 <@benryves> Mmm, modules.
17:21 <+mtgrss111> it seems they all started to operate in my favor from 1-6am
17:23 <@E-J> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyKxiYEhc0I
17:25 <+krisk> hmm i've noticed the same yesterday. normally downloads are slowwwww and last night they suddenly became just slow.
17:26 <+krisk> and this morning all 3 Ginger Snaps DVDs were done. (usenet only gave porn by the same name as a result lulz)
17:26 <@E-J> finland might be only country in europe, where football isn't number 1 sport
17:27 <+krisk> yeah i think so
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17:38 <@E-J> most people say that they ride a bike or ski, football has most licenced players, but people most likely want to watch skijump, icehockey and athletics
17:38 <+krisk> ooh i forgot second god tier sport; ring gymnasts
17:39 <@E-J> because of the chicks?
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17:40 <+krisk> there are girl ring gymnasts?
17:44 <+krisk> idk, but no i mean because its freaking insanely hard
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18:00 < Damakaru> *Wonders why "today is the most miserable day of the year."*
18:01 < Barrett> what do you mean? this is *your* day, Damakaru
18:01 < Tari> it's 'Blue Monday'
18:02 < Tari> I wonder how many pardons bush is going to grant today
18:02 <+mtgrss111> who cares?
18:02 < Tari> good point
18:04 < Nikky> Everyone cares.
18:04 < Nikky> Politicshater.
18:04 < Nikky> diaf
18:04 < Nikky> So our nation will begin its slow slide to oblivion tomorrow :(
18:08 <+krisk> you mean small step towards awesomeness right?
18:08 < Nikky> no
18:16 < Barrett> Nikky: aren't you a demo?
18:17 < i_c-Y> i heard bush is going to pardon me for being too awesome.
18:19 < Barrett> yay, 100 days of uptime again
18:19 < Barrett> 101, actually
18:21 < Nikky> So guys, Andy_J likes PHP.
18:21 < Nikky> Spread it around.
18:22 < Nikky> Barrett: No, I'm a hardcore convervative
18:22 < i_c-Y> verdict: we find Andy_J guilty of crimes against all of humanity
18:22 < i_c-Y> we sentence him to life in prison with no chance of parole
18:23 < Nikky> God called the other night and said I should love guns, hate gays, encourage women to only cook, be racist, and support stupid wars.
18:23 < i_c-Y> Andy_J: go to #tcpa.prison!
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18:29 < Nikky> d enough times about that real-name. This is a perminant ban.))
18:29 < Nikky> [10:28] Error : Closing Link: Omnimaga_PJIRC_Guest[dante01.u.washington.edu] (User has been permanently banned from DragonFire (been warned enough times about that real-name. This is a perminant ban.))
18:29 < Nikky> whooo
18:29 < Nikky> Yiff in hell, furfags!
18:29 < Nikky> Especially you, Netham45!
18:30 <+krisk> Andy_J +1
18:30 <+krisk> what is this real name thing?
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18:30 <@Andy_J> That doesn't imply that I *like* PHP
18:30 <+krisk> its forbidden to have your real name in info on dragonfire?
18:30 < Nikky> [10:30:46] [EFNet] -!-  ircname  : Yiff in Hell, Furfags!
18:30 <@Andy_J> just that I must use it for this project.
18:31 < Nikky> Go share your love of PHP with Ox40
18:31 <@Andy_J> Nikky: perminant?
18:31 <@Andy_J> They fail so hard.
18:31 < Nikky> They aren't very good speee;ers/
18:31 <+krisk> so, its forbidden to have your real name in info on dragonfire?
18:31 < Nikky> No, it's my ircname field
18:32 < Nikky> I'm assuming that's what they meant.
18:32 <+krisk> ok in ircname then, but it's forbidden to have your real name there?
18:32 < Nikky> No
18:32 < Nikky> Retard.
18:33 < i_c-Y> xchat calls "Yiff in Hell, Furfags!" your real name in the right click whois.
18:33 < i_c-Y> dragonfire is a furfag network
18:33 <+krisk> ohhhh
18:33 <+krisk> well yeah
18:33 <@Andy_J> well that's because xchat fails
18:33 <+krisk> ok i didnt know xchat called it that i thought the ban reason ment real name.
18:33 <@Andy_J> then again irssi uses real_name as the setting name
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18:35 < Nikky> lulz @ motd http://pastebin.com/m5f270494
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18:37 <+krisk> lol #hugfest
18:37 < leofox> hehe unitedti irc
18:39 <+krisk> efnet.xs4all.nl has best motd ever
18:39 <+krisk> http://pastebin.com/m4f4b0f22
18:39 < Nikky> haha
18:45 <@E-J> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP0ftMBjnb0
18:46 <+krisk> POLIISI haha
18:49 < Nikky> haha, krisk 
18:49 <@E-J> season 2 of that series starts today
18:51 < leofox> wait
18:51 < leofox> thats n actual tv show
18:51 <@E-J> yes
18:51 <+krisk> pff dont be surprised and say we dont have worse shows
18:52 < leofox> well i dont thinks it's bad
18:52 < leofox> it;s just so different
18:53 <+krisk> yeah its wierd
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18:54 <@E-J> very weird indeed, and funny
18:54 <+krisk> i think you probably have to be familiar with the characters and setting to like it
18:55 <+krisk> a lot of in-jokes
18:55 <@E-J> well, that tv host is version of some finnish morning show host, but i think that's only injoke
18:58 <@E-J> head chief of police station is somehow schizophrenic and takes meds
18:59 <@E-J> police with glasses are only sain person though he thinks that that guy with pacifier is genious
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18:59 <@E-J> woman police tries to be man because her father wanted a boy
19:00 <+krisk> what's with the pacifier?
19:00 <@E-J> it's not told in series
19:00 <+krisk> hmm
19:00 <+krisk> well i can see the show is kind of lulzy
19:01 <+krisk> i'm more a non-animated show kind of guy though
19:01 <@E-J> and that one guy thinks everything is "exiting" (in finnish jännä)
19:01 <+krisk> dont like southpark either though thi seems much more refined
19:01 <@E-J> and no-one wants to hear what he say
19:01 <+krisk> hehe
19:02 <@E-J> i don't like south park
19:03 <+krisk> oh it kind of reminds me of that british animated series
19:04 <+krisk> Monkey Dust
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19:21 <+krisk> "fuck! wrists are for girls... I'm slitting my throat."
19:22 <+krisk> "suicide is like the ultimate `fuck you!` come on, it's so us."
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19:46 < millinao> i just realized something - from age 8 and on the only president I have known was W
19:47 <+krisk> 1^?
19:47 <+krisk> 16?
19:47 < millinao> 15
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19:48 < bsparks> it's sad, when the PSU for your computer might cost you more than the computer did to start with
19:48 <+krisk> werd
19:48 <+krisk> x2
19:49 < bsparks> stupid non-standard PSUs
19:49 <+krisk> why do you need such an expensive one? or was your pc really really really cheap?
19:49 < bsparks> the PSU is one of those long flat ones
19:50 < bsparks> and I need 400+W
19:50 <@Andy_J> bsparks> stupid non-standard PSUs
19:50 <@Andy_J> ...
19:50  * Andy_J stabs Terminal
19:50 <+krisk> fun
19:52 < bsparks> I don't even know the 'size' of the PSU
19:52 < bsparks> wee, model, whatever
19:52 < bsparks> *err
19:56 <+krisk> http://student-rant.blogspot.com/2007/01/summary-of-99-of-people-you-will-meet.html
19:58 < ports_> ?
20:01 <@E-J> millinao: that's nothing, in finland we had same president 25 years (though he resigned before i was born)
20:01 < millinao> wtf
20:01 <@_Auron_> wow
20:01 <@_Auron_> that show is interesting
20:02 <@_Auron_> millinao: W?
20:02 < millinao> george bush
20:02 <@_Auron_> what about clinton?
20:03 < millinao> that's why I said age 8 and o
20:03 < millinao> n
20:03 <@_Auron_> wait
20:03 <@_Auron_> oh, right. you're younger <_<
20:04 <@E-J> i have seen 3 finnish presidents (finnish president have 6 yr period)
20:04 <@_Auron_> E-J: Pasila is interesting
20:05 <@E-J> it is
20:05 <@_Auron_> "Yo, we heard you like wget, so we put a wget in your wget so you can download while you download."
20:06 < leofox> Yo we heard yo like yo dawg and yo yo yo so we put a yo dawg on a yo yo so you can yo yo yo dawg while yo dawg yoyos
20:06 < leofox> ^^
20:07 <@_Auron_> http://darkauron.dyshost.com/Images/funny/yoyo_dog.jpg
20:07 < leofox> yeah man
20:07 < Tari> "Yo dawg, we heard you like Dale Earnhart, so we smashed your car into a wall"
20:07 < leofox> tcpa is the new /n/
20:08 <@_Auron_> transportation?
20:08 < leofox> oh damnit
20:08 < leofox> thats a bad type
20:08 < leofox> l.ol
20:08 < leofox> i mean /b/
20:09 < millinao> http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9887/1226847579208wz2.jpg
20:09 < millinao> best by far
20:09 < Tari> yes
20:10 < leofox> that one is lame
20:11 <@E-J> who could tell to internet kids that repeating joke doesn't make it funnier
20:11 <@_Auron_> <krazykit> one time they put a toy car in the car, saying the line "we put a car in yo car so you can drive while you drive"
20:11 <@_Auron_> from pimp my ride, apparently
20:12 <@E-J> didn't they quit that show?
20:13 < leofox> SUP DAWG. WE HEARD YOU LIKE DRINKING, SO WE PUT A BAR IN YOUR CAR SO YOU CAN DRINK WHILE YOU DRIVE.
20:13 <@_Auron_> lol
20:14 <+krisk> THE WANNA BE COMPUTER GEEK
20:14 <+krisk> They can be found in groups often discussing old internet fads while downloading songs and files from P2P networks. Often annoying to the people around them. Will shout out "LOL INTERNETS" at random times and you can hear some old techno songs in the background.
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20:32 <+krisk> leofox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODC1eeJHSMU
20:33 < leofox> hehe cool
20:35 <+krisk> also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smWPqX9o8gU
20:39 < leofox> sharpnel omg
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20:53 <+krisk> http://zip.4chan.org/fit/src/1232392118740.jpg
21:00 < Damakaru> Fuck, fuck, and many times over, fuck.  They're dumping me with a room mate.
21:01 <+krisk> ha-ha
21:03 < Damakaru> ...
21:03 < Damakaru> And he's already here.  x.x
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21:05 <+mtgrss111> o_O
21:05 <@E-J> that's not bad, you will have at least one human relationship (except if he is worse nerd than you are)
21:08 <@Andy_J> Damakaru: baw more.
21:08 <+krisk> TO DAMAKARU'S ROOMMATE: GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN, HE WILL RAPE YOU
21:13 < Tari> pics or it didn't happen
21:13 < Tari> be sure they're of him sleeping
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21:30 <+krisk> guys, should i buy something i really really want and will improve the rest of my life even if it puts me 800+ euros in debt?
21:30 < Tari> depends
21:30 < Tari> is it really that awesome?
21:31 < Tari> and how long would it take to pay that back?
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21:33 < Sathon> hello
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21:37 <+krisk> it really is that awesome. how long it takes to pay back depends on if i can find a job that doesnt suck. If I'm lucky just one month, if I can't find anything.. well, I guess I need to find something eventually anyway.
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21:38 <+krisk> I can loan another 800 afterwards so I won't have to pay back anything for 3 years though.
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21:40 < Ox40Work> Does anyone know what font "Summit" is in? http://weber.com/grills/?glid=3&mid=12
21:48 < Tari> krisk, I'd wait until you find a job
21:48 < Tari> any job
21:49 < Tari> unless you already have one that doesn't doesn't suck
21:49 < Tari> in which case, go for it
21:50 <+krisk> dont have a job but should get one before feb
21:51 <+krisk> faggot companies here only want you if you'll kiss their ass to hell and back and give you a 21k debt by having to take their shitty courses and stay with them for 3 years or leave and pay them back
21:51 <+krisk> for minimum wage
21:54 <+krisk> Ox40Work: http://24.132.239.72/close%20enough.PNG
21:57 <+krisk> with some luck i might be able to do parttime php/whateverelse work somewhere nearby after this week, I guess I'll wait for how that turns out
22:11 < Tari> good plan
22:18 < Nikky> losers
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22:18 < Nikky> Ox40Work: If it's their logo it might be custom
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22:52 < Ovan> hi i_c-Y
22:52 < i_c-Y> hi
23:03 < Ovan> Can someone tell me the difference between jp and jr; it's been so long, I forget >.<
23:04 < Tari> jr can only go +-127 bytes
23:04 <@E-J> p != r
23:04 < Tari> but the opcode is 2 bytes
23:04 < Ovan> I knew one was like that
23:04 < Ovan> wasn't sure which
23:04 < Tari> jp can jump anywhere, but opcode is 3 bytes
23:04 < Ovan> jp's larger write?
23:04 < Ovan> mk
23:04 < Ovan> *right
23:04 < Ovan> Thanks
23:04 < Tari> you also get a couple more possible conditions with jp
23:05 < Tari> pe and po
23:05 < Tari> and can do jp (hl) but no jr (hl)
23:05 < Ovan> what do the pe and po conditions do?
23:05 < Tari> parity even parity odd
23:05 < Ovan> oh
23:06 < Tari> I've only used those once
23:06 < Ovan> I never heard of them >.<
23:06 < Tari> in some code that needed to disable interrupts, then re-enable when it was done if they were enabled before
23:06 < Ovan> I heard of parity/overflow
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23:37 < Merthsoft> Andy_J: You there?
23:37 < Merthsoft> or any other Mac users who program Java
23:37 <@Andy_J> I don't do mac-specific java
23:38 <@E-J> bsparks is macuser
23:38 < Merthsoft> Andy_J: I just need to know how to set up the JDK on mac
23:38 < Merthsoft> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Java_for_Mac_OS_X_10_5_Update_1 will this have the JDK?
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23:39 <@Andy_J> It ought to.
23:39 <@Andy_J> if javac is there, then yes
23:39 <@Andy_J> ajanata@hawkeye:~$ file `which javac`
23:39 <@Andy_J> /usr/bin/javac: Mach-O universal binary with 3 architectures
23:39 <@Andy_J> /usr/bin/javac (for architecture ppc7400):	Mach-O executable ppc
23:39 <@Andy_J> /usr/bin/javac (for architecture i386):	Mach-O executable i386
23:39 < Merthsoft> i don't know if it is, and i can't really test on a mac. I'm writing up documents
23:39 <@Andy_J> /usr/bin/javac (for architecture x86_64):	Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64
23:39 < i_c-Y> "This Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 1 adds Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_05 to your Mac. "
23:39 < i_c-Y> that's java se
23:39 < i_c-Y> not jdk
23:39 <@Andy_J> Since it's in /usr/bin that makes it look like it's there anyway.
23:39 < i_c-Y> therefore javac is not in it.
23:40 <@Andy_J> i_c-Y: but IIRC it includes the jdk.
23:40 < i_c-Y> well then, they should say that its JDK, not Java SE.
23:40 <@Andy_J> or maybe not
23:40 <@Andy_J> dunno
23:40 <@Andy_J> you might need to grab it from xcode
23:40  * Andy_J peeks inside the xcode installer
23:40 <@Andy_J> or not, I don't seem to have it handy
23:41 < Merthsoft> "Mac OS X is the only major consumer operating system that comes complete with a fully configured and ready-to-use Java runtime and development environment."
23:41 <@Andy_J> i_c-Y: the fact that it's in /usr/bin makes me think it's there regardless
23:41 < i_c-Y> http://developer.apple.com/java/
23:41 < i_c-Y> Mac OS X includes the full version of J2SE 1.5, pre-installed with the Java Development Kit (JDK) and the HotSpot virtual machine (VM), so you don't have to download, install, or configure anything.
23:41 <@Andy_J> Then again gcc is in /usr/bin too and that isn't there by default
23:41 < Merthsoft> i need 1.6
23:41 <@Andy_J> Then that update should have it.
23:42 < Merthsoft> ok, thanks
23:42 < i_c-Y> looks like wherever they say java se they mean jdk.
23:42 <@Andy_J> But 1.6 is still BETA on mac IIRC.
23:42 <@Andy_J> i_c-Y: They mean Java SE because that's what most people want.
23:42 <@Andy_J> It just so happens to include the JDK as well
23:42 < i_c-Y> well id rather them say they're giving the jdk
23:42 < i_c-Y> its like giving someone a drink
23:42 < i_c-Y> and slipping roofies in it
23:42 < i_c-Y> and telling them the drink is a drink.
23:42 < i_c-Y> yes, there is a drink
23:43 < i_c-Y> but theres roofies too.
23:43 <@Andy_J> hmm
23:43 <@Andy_J> maybe it isn't beta anymore
23:43 < i_c-Y> mac os x puts roofies in your drink.
23:43 < i_c-Y> its a FACT!
23:43 <@Andy_J> Merthsoft: just have them download whatever from apple.com/java
23:43 <@Andy_J> it has java6
23:43 < Merthsoft> ok, thanks
23:43 <@Andy_J> as long as they have leopard
23:43 <@Andy_J> if they have tiger they can't have java6
23:44 < Merthsoft> well then they can use the Lab computers
23:44 <@Andy_J> Though IIRC it's not recommended to use 1.6 if you can help it
23:45 <@Andy_J> or maybe it's fine now
23:45 <@Andy_J> dunno
23:45 < i_c-Y> what are you using thats 1.6 specific?
23:46 < Merthsoft> The labs are set up with 1.6
23:46 < Merthsoft> we want consistancy
23:46 <@Andy_J> -ency
23:46 <@Andy_J> You have to launch Java Preferences and tell it to prefer 1.6 over 1.5, too.
23:46 <@Andy_J> Or `java` at the terminal will see 1.5.
23:47 < Merthsoft> feck
23:47 < Merthsoft> oh well, i sent the file to the prof already, is there're any problems, she can talk to our sys admin
23:48 <@Andy_J> ...because there's no compelling reason to force everybody out there to use 1.6
23:48 <@E-J> Merthsoft: if
23:48 <@E-J> :P
23:48 < Merthsoft> eh i can't type
23:49 < Merthsoft> time to go eat
23:49 < Nikky> haha, java
23:49 < Nikky> fail
23:49 < Merthsoft> later ya'll
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23:49 < Nikky> hahah, apple
23:49 < Nikky> fail
23:49 <@E-J> i'm starting python course, let's see how it goes
23:49 < Nikky> should be great
23:50 < i_c-Y> well, the first problem is having a woman being teh professor. never trust a woman to configure a computer.
23:55 <@E-J> in our principles of network media course there was woman professor as lecturer
23:55 <@E-J> course had it's own irc channel #media on ircnet where that lecturer irced
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