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00:06 <+kirsk> woo new Flashpoint ep
00:08 <+prime_> dont live in california
00:08 <+prime_> the shittiest state
00:08 <@Nikky> It is, indeed.
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00:10 <@Nikky> Hi Damakaru :)
00:11 < Damakaru> Hello.
00:11 <@Nikky> What's up homedizzle?
00:11 < Tari> cool
00:11 < Tari> because of epic demand, they're providing more than the 2.5 million downloads than they originally were doing for the win7 beta
00:12 <@Nikky> lulz win7
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00:13 < sir_lewk> I hear windows 7 is even worse than vista
00:13 < sir_lewk> that's what everyone I know says.
00:14 < sir_lewk> in fact, windows 7 beat up my grandmother
00:14 <@Nikky> We know it did.
00:14 <@Nikky> Fedora forever.
00:14 <+kirsk> i hear windows 7 is vista plus some tweaks and gizmos
00:15 <@Nikky> Someone ended an email with this line
00:15 <@Nikky> "Thanks and long live to ticalc archives"
00:16 < Damakaru> Right or wrong:  the only reason for anyone to need to use sixty-four-bit OS is for more than four gigabytes of RAM or are doing some serious number-crunching.
00:16 < Tari> O_o
00:16 < Tari> wrong, Damakaru 
00:17 <@Nikky> Right.
00:17 < sir_lewk> wrong
00:17 <@Nikky> There is no reason to get 64 bit.
00:17 <+kirsk> i say right with the addition of 64bit-only software
00:17 <@Nikky> Even if your system is 64 bit ready, don't use it
00:17 <@Nikky> 32 bit is faster, saves power, and sticks it to the man
00:18 < sir_lewk> "The only reason for anyone to need to use a thirty-two-bit OS is for more then whatever amount of RAM or are doing some serious number-crunching."
00:18 < sir_lewk> how does that strike ya?
00:18 < leofox> i got windows 7 in 64 bit
00:18 <@Nikky> We don't let Europeans use Windows.
00:18 <@Nikky> They might mess it up.
00:18 < leofox> in before shitstorm
00:18 < sir_lewk> My blood tastes sweet O.o
00:18 < leofox> Nikky because American people never mess anything up?
00:18 < sir_lewk> shouldn't it be salty?
00:18 <@Nikky> Correct.
00:19 <@Nikky> Correct to both leofox and sir_lewk 
00:19 < sir_lewk> I cut my finger and my blood tastes sweet
00:19 < leofox> sir_lewk its sweet if you have too much sugar in your blood
00:19 < Damakaru> <cough>Vampire.</cough>
00:19 < leofox> congrats, you have diabetes
00:19 <@Nikky> Congratulations!
00:19 < leofox> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZSnlo3W-3Y
00:19 < leofox> this is for you
00:21 < sir_lewk> haha
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00:24 <@Nikky> hey tifreak :)
00:25 < tifreak> hi =D
00:25 < tifreak> What's new?
00:25 <@Nikky> baking cookies
00:25 < tifreak> =0
00:25 < tifreak> what flavor?
00:25 <@Nikky> chocchip
00:25 <+kirsk> omnomnom
00:26 < tifreak> ^___6
00:26 < tifreak> ^____^  *
00:26 < sir_lewk> you know what should be in internet sport
00:26 < sir_lewk> ?
00:26 <@Nikky> killing kirsk?
00:26 < sir_lewk> going to all sorts of government websites with really weird referer strings
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00:28 < leofox> sir_lewk: referred from 12yearoldswedishgirlsbeingrippedbyblackcock.com?
00:29 < leofox> it's also a sport to find two items in a super market that can freak out the cashier the most
00:30 < leofox> the classic is a cucumber and a big bottle of lube
00:31 < tifreak> finding the largest cucumber you can is the best though..
00:31 < sir_lewk> yeah, exactly! :D
00:31 < Tari> put a single tire on layaway!
00:31 < leofox> the xkcd guy came up with pregnancy test and single coat hanger
00:32 < leofox> bonus points if you're a guy
00:32 < tifreak> Tari: nah, put a couple bags of m&ms on layaway..
00:32 < sir_lewk> going from United Nuclear to the department of homeland security could be a funny one
00:32 < sir_lewk> http://www.unitednuclear.com/
00:32 < sir_lewk> the feds hate those guys
00:33 < leofox> wtf
00:33 < leofox> they sell uranium?!
00:33 < leofox> does that work for reactors and shit?
00:34 <+kirsk> layaway?
00:34 < sir_lewk> nah, it's just ore
00:34 < sir_lewk> you need a few tons of ore to do anything fun ;)
00:34 < leofox> the high radiation one seems pretty defined
00:34 < leofox> *refined
00:35 < sir_lewk> where?
00:36 < leofox> http://www.unitednuclear.com/ultra.htm
00:36 < sir_lewk> oh, yeah
00:37 < sir_lewk> eh, it's legal withought a permit, it's not *that* bad
00:37 < sir_lewk> you still need a lot to make a decent dirtybomb or refine anything actually dangerous out of it
00:39 <+Netham45> toss a 5lbs box of ore into a water source for a city
00:39 < leofox> what netham said
00:39 < leofox> actualyl
00:40 < leofox> I think it wouldnt be that much radiation still
00:40 < sir_lewk> nah, that wouldn't do anything
00:40 <+kirsk> not for the entire water supply no
00:40 <+kirsk> it would end up being trace amounts of radiation that are probably already there anyhow
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00:41 < TD-Linux> !t Welcome to the TCPA | http://tcpa.calcg.org | <tifreak> finding the largest cucumber you can is the best though..
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00:41 <+Netham45> http://www.unitednuclear.com/ultra.htm
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00:41 < sir_lewk> where I grew up in PA is part of the so called "Radon Belt"
00:41 < tifreak> <_<
00:41 < leofox> you need 1000 rads to die right?
00:42 < leofox> I wonder how much rads per second that is
00:42 < sir_lewk> in some places the amount of radiation you get increases your chance of getting cancer similar to smoking a pack a day
00:43 < leofox> remember madame curie?
00:43 < leofox> she died because of all the radiation from her work
00:44 < sir_lewk> people in those kinds of areas are recommended to get radiation testers and move if it's too high
00:44 < leofox> even today her original papers are kept in lead boxes because they are too dangerous
00:44 < sir_lewk> yeah
00:46 < sir_lewk> a chunk of ore isn't that bad though
00:46 < sir_lewk> I have a piece of rock from a zinc mine I visited sitting on my bookselve, it's decently radioactive with something
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00:47 < BrandonW> That explains some things.
00:47 < TD-Linux> do you have a geiger counter?
00:47 < sir_lewk> glows all purdy under blacklights though :)
00:47 < sir_lewk> my highschool had one
00:47 < sir_lewk> it was noticebly higher than other random rocks but not terribly so
00:48 < obnauticu> Anyone here good with Festo Pneumatics. I was talking to someone who was good with them a few weeks ago :\
00:48 < sir_lewk> I should take it to a geologist, find out what exactly is in it.  it's all granity with all kinds of stuff
00:50 < leofox> pyrite>
00:51 < leofox> probably not right?
00:51 < sir_lewk> nah, not that shiny
00:51 < leofox> you would easily recognize that one
00:51 < sir_lewk> maybe though
00:52 < sir_lewk> it has what looks like a bunch of quarzt [sic], some black stuff, gray stuff
00:52 < sir_lewk> little bit of red
00:52 < leofox> what kind of quartz? the light transparent right?
00:53 < leofox> and it's radioactive?
00:53 < sir_lewk> whiteish, translucent
00:53 < leofox> weird
00:53 < sir_lewk> well, it has a bunch of different things
00:53 < sir_lewk> it may just be trace uranium or something
00:53 < leofox> your description makes me think of sodium chloride but that would make no sense
00:54 < sir_lewk> it kind of looks like this, but more colorful http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Granite_azul_noce.jpg
00:54 < leofox> oh, nice
00:55 < sir_lewk> fist size chunk
00:55 < sir_lewk> they dynamited one of the parts of the mine and let visitors pick out a piece :)
01:02 <+kirsk> arg i should go to sleep but probably cant and am hungry but if i eat i cant brush my teeth for an hour so i have to wait with sleeping but i should sleep
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01:05 <@efneTI92> [bsparks] Look! It's Captain Sarcasm, Master of the Universe!
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01:09 < TD-Linux> obnauticu: festo pneumatics?
01:09 < TD-Linux> this wouldn't have anything to do with FIRST, would it?
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01:26 < obnauticu> TD-Linux:  im on a first team
01:26 < TD-Linux> so am I
01:27 < obnauticu> However, this is for my senior project.
01:27 < obnauticu> 2811 here (frist year team)
01:27 < TD-Linux> 2530
01:27 < TD-Linux> second year
01:27 < obnauticu> nice
01:27 < TD-Linux> bimba has an order form
01:27 < TD-Linux> http://www.bimba.com/FirstFree.aspx
01:27 < TD-Linux> 3 free cylinders
01:27 < obnauticu> I suggested integrating a TCS/ABS system[s] from a car.
01:27 < obnauticu> lol
01:27 < obnauticu> FESTO is donating to me
01:27 < TD-Linux> HAH
01:28 < TD-Linux> I had the same idea
01:28 < TD-Linux> except
01:28 < obnauticu> i just need to email them what I need.
01:28 < TD-Linux> not from a car :P
01:28 < TD-Linux> rather, homebrew it
01:28 < obnauticu> why not fro ma car
01:28 < TD-Linux> with optical mouse sensors
01:28 < obnauticu> That's waht they expect yo uto do
01:28 < obnauticu> ya
01:28 < TD-Linux> umm
01:28 < obnauticu> I thought of optical mice too
01:28 < TD-Linux> one does not simply rip parts off a car and put them on a robot
01:28 < TD-Linux> ;)
01:28 < obnauticu> however they don't sample fast enough
01:28 < obnauticu> yes you can
01:28 < obnauticu> You have to get the pinouts
01:28 < obnauticu> and etc.
01:28 < obnauticu> but it IS possible.
01:32 < obnauticu> You would need to DIY "lock up" sensors on the wheels, and put a dummy wheel on it to get feedback from the ground and all the devices necessary able to run an ABS system, however you would need to make sure that all of the parts are legal.
01:32 < obnauticu> The problem is the documentation, most of the pre-made systems for cars are proprietary to the max and are retarded. Integrating it into a robot would be a challenge, but not impossible.
01:33 < TD-Linux> dummy wheel is a bad idea as well
01:34 < obnauticu> you can use an optical encoder attached to the dummy wheel, most optical mice do not sample fast enough.
01:35 < obnauticu> or an inductive proximity sensor
01:35 < obnauticu> that is what my team is suggesting.
01:35 < obnauticu> or using... we just got it :\
01:38 < sir_lewk> hey, anyone have some more beer?
01:38 < sir_lewk> I am out :(
01:38 < sir_lewk> or any hard liquors
01:38 < sir_lewk> those would work
01:44 <+kirsk> i have 5 flasks of beer left
01:45 < TD-Linux> obnauticu: don't forget that the dummy wheel has to be a rover wheel
01:46 < TD-Linux> which will slip and skew your results
01:46 < TD-Linux> unless you apply enough pressure to it, which is A Bad Idea
01:46 < TD-Linux> as that lowers traction
01:46 < obnauticu> TD-Linux: if it's lubricated enough
01:46 < obnauticu> it will work
01:46 < obnauticu> at least i think so
01:46 < obnauticu> because the surface is a little bumpy
01:46 < TD-Linux> yes
01:47 < TD-Linux> but you'll be supporting your robot on that wheel
01:47 < TD-Linux> and because it's not powered
01:47 < TD-Linux> you're losing possible tractoin
01:47 < obnauticu> if you mount it 0.1mm higher than the other wheels
01:47 < obnauticu> you won't loose as much traction
01:47 < obnauticu> lol
01:51 < sir_lewk> fuuuuuuck
01:51 < sir_lewk> I just stepped on a bunch of broken car glass on the street :(
01:51 < sir_lewk> just pulled 5 nice sized peices out, looks like it...
01:52 <@Nikky> ow
01:52 <@Nikky> don't walk barefoot
01:52 < sir_lewk> I was just picking up the mail, it wasn't there yesterday :O
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01:59 <@Nikky> SHUT UP SIR_LEWK
02:00 < TD-Linux> obnauticu: then it slips
02:00 < TD-Linux> unless you are really good with the lube
02:00 < obnauticu> That's....what she...said?
02:03  * Tari '...'s
02:03 < i_c-Y> ...
02:04 < sir_lewk> why couldn't my grandparents be catholic?  there is like no booze around here :(
02:06 < bsparks> cathaholic?
02:07 < sir_lewk> haha, pretty much
02:07 < sir_lewk> catholics always have tones of alchohol around
02:07 < obnauticu> I'm catholic and theres no alcohol in my house.
02:07 < obnauticu> there's*
02:10 < sir_lewk> well
02:10 <@Nikky> Be Athiest
02:10 < sir_lewk> that's a shame isn't it
02:10 <@Nikky> like a champ
02:11 < sir_lewk> my catholic side of the family is pretty much perpetually drunk
02:11 < sir_lewk> course they are also italian... that may be part of it
02:12 < Tari> I can tell I'm really not trying on this homework
02:12 < Tari> I'm comparing writing to a chocolate bunny
02:13 < sir_lewk> cool
02:13 < sir_lewk> comparing verbs to nouns.  I find this fascinating and would like to subscribe to your newsletter
02:15 < Tari> I mention it because that analogy sucks
02:16  * sir_lewk compares vomitting with zeppelins
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02:33 < Merthsoft> l
02:33 < Merthsoft> miss me?
02:35 <@Nikky> yes
02:35 < Merthsoft> <3
02:46 < bsparks> anyone know any good free roaming games like GTA?
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02:48 < Damakaru> "Ha" at the Macbook Wheel.  "HA!" at the number of people who till think it's real after the number of times it is said that it is not real.
02:50 < sir_lewk> freeroaming games suck imho
02:50 <@chronomex> what
02:50 <+prime_> thats becaysae apple computer is that fucked up
02:50 < bsparks> Well I mean, like Postal 2 Driv3r Saints Row GTA etc etc
02:51 <+prime_> im not saying only retarded people like apple computer, but it takes some kind of abnormality....
02:52 < bsparks> I found more pc users thinking the wheel was real than apple users
02:52 < bsparks> and most of those pc users were all going "ha" because it's a stupid product
02:53 <+prime_> im saying hah because apple computer would actually build something like that
02:53 <+prime_> and it is stupid
02:53 < bsparks> they did make a glass trackpad for the macbooks...
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03:00 < sir_lewk> I'm sure they'd kill the keyboard in a second if they thought they could
03:01 < bsparks> they tried once
03:01 < bsparks> twice actually
03:01 < sir_lewk> just look at their continued passive aggressive stance towards multibutton mice
03:01 < sir_lewk> bsparks: oh?
03:02 < bsparks> the mouse card for Apple ][ and the original Mac and Lisa barely used the kb if you knew what you were doing
03:02 < sir_lewk> well I mean for typing text
03:02 < Damakaru> They'd probably have something that is just a touch-screen monitor, and you type on the monitor, and not need a mouse or keyboard.
03:02 < bsparks> sir_lewk, they were the first to start shipping their OS with gesture recognition 
03:02 < bsparks> for drawing tablets
03:03 < sir_lewk> they still don't have a tablet macbook though do they?
03:03 < bsparks> nope
03:03 < bsparks> well, there is one
03:03 < sir_lewk> interesting
03:03 < bsparks> but apple doesn't make it, they do warranty it, and endorse it
03:03 < sir_lewk> linky
03:04 < sir_lewk> I thought they hated anything with macosx besides macs...
03:04 < bsparks> it is a mac
03:04 < bsparks> http://www.axiotron.com/index.php?id=home 
03:05 < _Auron_> um, I'd call that a tablet
03:05 < bsparks> Apple doesn't make it :)
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03:05 < sir_lewk> O.o
03:05 < sir_lewk> I have never heard of such things
03:05 < bsparks> but, Apple does throughly endorse that product ro a degree
03:05 < bsparks> sir_lewk, it's been out for 2 years
03:05 < bsparks> announced 4 years back
03:06 < sir_lewk> wow
03:06 < _Auron_> With up to a 2.8GHz Intel® Core™ 2 Duo processor in the base system, your Modbook Pro becomes the fastest tablet on the planet.
03:06 < sir_lewk> weird
03:06 < _Auron_> yep, tablet. :P
03:06 < bsparks> _Auron_, it's a mod
03:06 < bsparks> a very professional, endorsed, third party mod :)
03:07 < _Auron_> kay, it's still a tablet.
03:07 < bsparks> I wasn't arguing that?
03:07 < sir_lewk> "he Modbook is an after-market modification that converts an Apple MacBook into a slate-style tablet computer.[" that is cheating
03:07 < _Auron_> you replied to me like I was wrong "you say it's a tablet? it's actually a mod"
03:07 < _Auron_> anyways
03:07 < _Auron_> $5,000... lol.....
03:08 < bsparks> _Auron_, you said it was a tablet, like I didn't call it one.
03:08 < bsparks> I was saying Apple doesn't make a tablet
03:08 < _Auron_> and I never mention apple or who made what
03:08 < _Auron_> I merely stated, it's a tablet.
03:08 < _Auron_> what's your point?
03:08 < bsparks> you caused a breakdown in conversation
03:09 < bsparks> by interjecting an unwanted opinion
03:09 < _Auron_> I think you're being mean. :(
03:09 < bsparks> this is new?
03:09  * bsparks is really not a very nice person
03:09 < sir_lewk> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Rosetta_Stone_BW.jpeg <== That is a tablet
03:10 < _Auron_> lol
03:10 < sir_lewk> similarly not made by apple ;)
03:11 <+prime_> that tablet is very useful
03:11 < sir_lewk> yes, it is
03:11 < sir_lewk> unlike macs
03:12 <+prime_> yes
03:12 < sir_lewk> I need to cook something.
03:12 < _Auron_> ^ there's your unwanted opinion :P
03:12 < sir_lewk> maybe spagetti?
03:12 < _Auron_> not the cooking one
03:12  * _Auron_ disappears for a bit
03:12 < sir_lewk> :P
03:13 <+prime_> http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1576/130/76/612156201/n612156201_1699695_8025.jpg
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03:15 < millinao> that's stupid
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03:17 < sir_lewk> ...yeaaaaaah
03:22 < Damakaru> Does Irssi have a setting where it won't print who is speaking when it is the same person?
03:22 < Damakaru> (Whenever they post successive lines.)
03:22 < Speler> It looks like I'm gonna be spendin the weekend in RI visiting a friend :D
03:25 <@chronomex> Damakaru: there's a perl plugin, write it yourself?
03:26 < Damakaru> I'm just making sure it's not already a feature.
03:26 < Damakaru> Don't know what they would call that though, to Google.  "Line compression?"
03:27 <@chronomex> I'd call it nickname elision
03:27 <@chronomex> but that's just me
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04:05 <@efneTI92> [Sir_Lewk] http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95  I have much DATA in VELOCIRAPTORS AND PHILOSOPH
04:05 < Sir_Lewk> rawr wtf bbq
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04:09 < sir_lewk> ok people
04:09 < sir_lewk> say I have a lot of channels open in irssi and stuff
04:10 < sir_lewk> withought complicated editing of files, is there a way to make these channels and networks always join and open?
04:10 < i_c-Y> there is an autojoin function.
04:11 < i_c-Y> example
04:11 < i_c-Y> /server add -auto -network EFnet irc.efnet.net 6667
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04:12 < i_c-Y> /network -add -nick sir_lewk_sucks_monkey_penis Efnet
04:12 < i_c-Y> /channel add -auto #tcpa Efnet
04:12 < i_c-Y> replace -add with add in /network line.
04:12 < i_c-Y> make sure to /save
04:14 < sir_lewk> hmm, what a pain
04:14 < sir_lewk> oh well
04:15 < Spengo> well
04:15 < Spengo> back at school
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04:40 < millinao> holy crap i must see wall-e
04:41 < _Auron_> ....
04:41 < _Auron_> you haven't seen it yet?
04:41 < _Auron_> jesus dude
04:41 < millinao> no :(
04:41 < millinao> i just saw a clip on TV and i just orgasmed cuteness
04:41 < _Auron_> lawd
04:41 < _Auron_> it's awesome
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04:42 <@efneTI92> [sir_lewk] http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95  I have much DATA in VELOCIRAPTORS AND PHILOSOPH
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04:46 < millinao> also, best typography joke ever: Men are marching on strike, and one guy says "I wonder what font they're using on their sign?" The other responds "Sans employment."
04:46 <@chronomex> hahaha
04:46 < millinao> stolen from reddit
04:48 < millinao> well, lovingly borrowed
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04:51  * chronomex chases down homework at length
05:08 < millinao> the best line in the dark knight is when the mob guy says "you think you can just steal from us and walk away?!" and joker just says "yeah."
05:08 < sir_lewk> yeah :)
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05:19 < i_c-Y> WHERE ARE THEY?
05:19 < i_c-Y> thats kerm's favorite line.
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05:25 <@Andy_J> millinao: no, the pencil trick is far better
05:29 < bsparks> pencil trick beat the juggernaut line
05:29 <@Andy_J> ^
05:29 <+prime_> i dont understand all this hullabloo over that movie
05:29 <+prime_> yes it was good
05:30 <+prime_> but it wasnt the best thing since sliced bread good
05:30 < bsparks> it was the best thing since sliced batsignal shaped bread
05:30 <@Andy_J> sliced bread?!
05:31 <+prime_> all im saying is that maybe it was a 10/10, but it wasnt a 20/10 which is what everyone is treating it as
05:32 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: PHILOSOPH?
05:32 < Damakaru> Good thing I haven't seen it yet, so I can keep not giving a flying crap about it.  :P
05:32 < sir_lewk> Andy_J: cut off the Y
05:32 <@Andy_J> Get rid of the extra space then
05:33 < sir_lewk> meh
05:33 < sir_lewk> later
05:36 <+Netham45> that movie was so overrated
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05:37 <+Netham45> wb
05:37 < Damakaru> 'Loha.
05:38 < Damakaru> (Ah, now its making my name and everyones actions white.)
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05:41 < sir_lewk> haha, funny xkcd
05:43 <@chronomex> mmm
05:43 < _Auron_> heh
05:43 < sir_lewk> I love calvin and hobbs :)
05:44 <+Netham45> hobbes*
05:45 < sir_lewk> yeah
05:46 < sir_lewk> whatever chump
05:46  * sir_lewk sleeps
05:46 <+Netham45> night
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05:47 <@Nikky> hey Mwyann 
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07:27 < Milyardo> OVERDRIVE!
07:28 < Milyardo> Ran Dan Ruuuuuuuuu!!!
07:28 < Milyardo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16KpquGsIc
07:29 < Milyardo> Kore ka? kore ka? kore ka?
07:29 < Milyardo> @.$
07:29  * _Digital takes the RedBull out of Milyardo's hands
07:30 < Milyardo> :(
07:31 < Milyardo> Touhou remixes aren't as entertaining without it
07:31 < Milyardo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z34BCyi91yM
07:32 < Milyardo> It'sa me It'sa me It'sma Memmemememememeem meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
07:32 < _Digital> I will not click that link
07:32  * _Digital takes the Monster and Rockstars out of Milyardo's reach
07:32 < Milyardo> YEAH YEHA YEHA HEERE WO GOOO HO HO HO WWAH WHA  YA AY AAYA YIPEEE YAHOOO
07:33 < Milyardo> :O
07:33  * Milyardo pulls his perkalator out of the closet
07:34  * _Digital shoots it with a rifle
07:36 < Milyardo> It'sa me MARIO!
07:36  * Milyardo long jumps off the edge
07:37 < _Auron_> o.o
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07:38 < _Auron_> it's a sped-up version of the guy beating sm64 in about 6 minutes from the beginning, with a retarded mix of mario making all the sounds he makes
07:39 < _Auron_> oh, different version of beating the game though
07:40 < Milyardo> You guys don't appreciate Touhou Awesomeness when you see it!
07:40 < _Digital> we aren't carckers
07:40 < Milyardo> ii en zai ii en zai one two three one two three ichi ni san ichi ni san
07:40 < Milyardo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qS1kqhhebw
07:41 < _Digital> you + that == krisk
07:41 < Milyardo> I haven't talked about Alt goth chicks yet though
07:42 < _Digital> fine
07:42 < _Digital> you + that == krisk + alt checks
07:42 < _Digital> youtube == krisks alt chicks
07:42 < _Digital> for you
07:43  * Milyardo turns to twit.tv for some sanity
07:44 < _Digital> good
07:44  * Milyardo thinks the above should be saved as an example to small children why drugs are bad
07:45 < _Digital> what about the youtube videos you just posted?
07:45 < Milyardo> also examples
07:45 < _Digital> how about yourself?
07:45 < Milyardo> Right Nikky?
07:46 < _Digital> he is awake, but will he respond?
07:46 <@Nikky> Hi
07:46 <@Nikky> *kisses*
07:46 < Milyardo> *kiss*
07:46  * _Digital breaks out teh honey
07:46 < Milyardo> Nikky <3s touhou
07:47 < Milyardo> True story
07:47 < _Digital> he'll say anythign when you two are in bed...
07:48  * _Digital wonders if he should wait for some of the CES netbooks to make it to market or if he should buy one now
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07:52 < Milyardo> I haven't seen any of them
07:52 < Milyardo> I just bought a eeePC last week though
07:53 < _Digital> specs?
07:53 < _Digital> price?
07:54 < _Auron_> which model?
07:54 < Milyardo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220368
07:54 < sir_lewk> how cheap are the first models now?
07:54 < Milyardo> I didn't buy it formyself
07:54 < Milyardo> it gets here tomarrow
07:55 < _Digital> one of the 1.6GHz Atoms?
07:55 < _Digital> or faster/slower?
07:55 < _Auron_> yeah 1.6Ghz is in that model
07:55 < _Auron_> newegg tends to lack info on netbooks
07:55 < Milyardo> yep
07:56 < _Digital> 1.6GHz + HT isn't that bad
07:56 < bsparks> I was lookin at an eeebox or whatever they are called now
07:56 < _Digital> definately a slower and weaker chip, but not bad
07:57  * _Digital points to 1.25GHz PPC
07:57  * bsparks gigh fives _Digital 
07:57 < bsparks> *high
07:58 < _Digital> I still need a small computer to wire into my car
07:58 <@chronomex> graphing calculator
08:02 < bsparks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee eee KEYBOARD? eee STICK?
08:02 <@chronomex> eee is the new i
08:02 < bsparks> I think so o.o
08:02 < bsparks> the eeeTop looks slick
08:02 <@Nikky> yeah, it does
08:03 <@chronomex> but is ASUS the new Apple?
08:03 < bsparks> Asus > Apple
08:03 < bsparks> because Asus makes hardware that can withstand fire, I swear
08:03 < Milyardo> true story
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08:04 < Milyardo> OMG
08:04 < Milyardo> Its Mwyann 
08:04 < bsparks> HOLY SHIT! DUCK
08:04 < _Digital> I'm tempted to grab teh public beta of Windows 7
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08:05 < bsparks> I wanna find like, one of those extra battery thingers for the iPhone, but for the touch
08:08 <@Nikky> _Digital: do it
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08:21 < Spengo> oh god dammit
08:21 < Spengo> I forgot my tor
08:21 < Spengo> so... my internet is supposedly "blocked" now...
08:21 < Spengo> bwaaaaaahahahahahaha
08:22 < Spengo> my school's IT group fails SO FSCKING HARD
08:22 < Spengo> geeze... I'm still torrenting even :P
08:22 < Spengo> HOW DO YOU SUCK THIS BAD
08:22 < Spengo> I MUST KNOW
08:27 < bsparks> Spengo, block port 80
08:27 < bsparks> that's probably all they did
08:27 < Spengo> yep
08:27 < Spengo> how'd you guess
08:27 < Spengo> :)
08:28 < bsparks> because I had people do it to me :)
08:28 < bsparks> I never had access to port 80 at DeVry, and that's a tech school o.o
08:28 < bsparks> but, I could always get through on every other port known to man
08:28 < Spengo> yep
08:30 < Spengo> I wonder if they block me "indefinitely" that is all that they do
08:30 < Spengo> :3
08:32 <@Nikky> Spengo: school fail IT
08:32 <@Nikky> transfer
08:33 < Spengo> actually the CS department is really good here
08:33 < Spengo> and CS professors and IT hate each other lol
08:33 < Spengo> but you know... it's the same as IT everywhere really
08:34 < Spengo> IT is for guys who think they know about computers but really don't and couldn't program to save their life
08:34 < Spengo> I bet they wouldn't even recognize a piece of C code if I sent it to them
08:37 < Spengo> well, 41 minutes until I can use port 80 again
08:37 < Spengo> in the meantime browsing through 9050 :)
08:43 < _Auron_> 41 minutes?
08:43 < _Auron_> do you have a countdown timer or something?
08:48 <@Nikky> CS sycjs
08:48 <@Nikky> sucks
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08:57 < BrandonW> I hate IT majors.
08:58 < BrandonW> For exactly those reasons.
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09:14 < Spengo> _Auron_, yeah, if I browse through port 80 it redirects to a page saying how much longer my timeout is
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09:20 < Spengo> I should change my mac address maybe
09:20 < Spengo> in case they come looking for me
09:21 < Spengo> actually I wonder if port 80 is blocked if I change my mac address o_o
09:21 < Spengo> probably not
09:21 < Spengo> dammit my time is up
09:21 < Spengo> I can use port 80 again
09:29 < _Auron_> lol
09:29 < _Auron_> that's so dumb
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09:31 < Spengo> yeah
09:32  * _Auron_ continues watching Lost
09:32 < Spengo> damn I really shoulda tested that
09:32 < Spengo> hey hey, wanna know how to break the latest rendition of cisco clean access agent :3
09:33 < Spengo> boot to linux, log on with web application, reboot to windows
09:33 < Spengo> TADAAAAA
09:33 < Spengo> I should see if using a virtual machine has the same effect
09:39 < _Auron_> LOLWTF
09:44 < Spengo> this is really awesome
09:44 < Spengo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSO54E43YU&eurl=http://operatorchan.org/t/res/5075.html&feature=player_embedded
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10:14 < _Auron_> what. o_o
10:14  * _Auron_ 's face explodes
10:18 < Spengo> caaaaptain pronin superstar!
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10:21 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
10:26 < _Auron_> lost seriously screws with my mind
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13:49 < ports-> hi
13:49 <@benryves> Heya ports-
13:49 < ports-> what time is it there benryves 
13:50 <@benryves> 1350
13:51 <@benryves> How about you?
13:51 < ports-> 0750
13:51 < ports-> i went to bed at 0200 and woke up at 0400
13:52 < ports-> my friend had a dinner party that he wouldnt let me miss last night.. so i got home at 130am..   had to get up at 4am so that i could get ready and drive 3 hours to the town im working in
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13:53 <@benryves> Eurgh. :(
13:59 < ports-> yeah
14:00 < ports-> im in my office at work right now yawning
14:00 <@benryves> Sounds like you need a cup of tea/coffee (delete as appropriate).
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14:18 < sir_lewk> wazzup yos?
14:19 <@benryves> Wotchamate
14:19 <+kirsk> this boxxy thing is wierd
14:19 < sir_lewk> yeah
14:19 < sir_lewk> I don't quite get it
14:20 < sir_lewk> she is obviously acting
14:20 <@benryves> Hm?
14:21 < ports-> benryves:  meh
14:21 < sir_lewk> you are a better man for not knowing, trust me ;)
14:21 < ports-> i need a nap
14:21 <@benryves> I suppose, it's coming from kirsk after all. >_>
14:21 < ports-> im just going to try and keep moving and work through it
14:21 < sir_lewk> I need a stiff drink
14:21 <+kirsk> yeah she's acting but i can't figure out if she actually wants to be like that or is just doing it for the vids
14:22 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Oh, and I can strongly recommend Slumdog Millionaire. ;)
14:22 < sir_lewk> ah, excellent :D
14:22 < sir_lewk> I was going to see it last weekend but other crap came up :(
14:23 < sir_lewk> kirsk: I think she's just attention whoring for youtube
14:23 <+kirsk> yeah
14:23 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Ah, it only came out here on the 9th. :( I was going to see it in a free preview (3rd December or so) but had a business trip, so was rather gutted. :P
14:24 < ports-> hrmm
14:24 < ports-> so i think classes start today at this university
14:24 <+kirsk> it's kind of mesmerizing
14:24 < ports-> is it bad that i bought a silver ring that looks kind of like a wedding band.. and im going to go to some college bars and pretend to be married?
14:24 <+kirsk> with what purpose?
14:25 < ports-> to pick up girls..
14:25 < mokomull> You're sick.
14:25 < mokomull> :P
14:25 < sir_lewk> ports-: it works
14:25 <+kirsk> how does that work if they think youre married?
14:25 < ports-> kirsk:  you must be a decent guy if someone married you
14:25 < ports-> and then the girl thinks "let me sleep with him and prove the nice guy thing wrong"
14:26 < ports-> my plan was to just wear the ring on my hand.. and not say i was married.. let them interpret it
14:26 <+kirsk> well you can say it if they ask
14:26 < sir_lewk> I personally love the "wear a business suit looking somewhat dissheveld, walk into bar and ask for a club soda or whatever, get in an "argument" with your "wife" on a cell phone, and let other guys buy you drinks" scheme ;)
14:26 < ports-> sir_lewk:  thats lame and youre underage
14:27 < sir_lewk> I can personally attest to it working :P
14:27 <+kirsk> ports how old are you?
14:27 < ports-> 23
14:27 < sir_lewk> and screw underage, bartenders in philly don't give a crap anyways.  it's just free booze
14:27 < ports-> im older than most of you here
14:27 < sir_lewk> glk kicks your ass
14:27 <+kirsk> ok it sounds plausible but doesnt seemingly being married thin out the crowd?
14:28 < ports-> kirsk:  just thinking about trying something new..
14:28 <@benryves> Why, how old is sir_lewk? :|
14:28 < ports-> benryves:  19 or 20
14:28 < sir_lewk> kirsk: possibly, but being seen with other women, or appearing like you have other women, increases your chances
14:28 <@benryves> ports-: That's what I though.
14:28  * sir_lewk is 19, 20 in a month or so
14:28 <+kirsk> but only with the few who would still go for that
14:28 <@benryves> Oh, wait, the USA is even more backwards than the UK when it comes to drinking ages.
14:29 < ports-> kirsk:  and hey. id be married... so we cant have a relationship.. just sex :P
14:29 < sir_lewk> mostly it's just fun for the "social engineering" aspect.  you can get booze anywhere on a college campus but tricking people is fun :)
14:29 <@benryves> (They should really reduce it to match the rest of the mainland here).
14:29 <+kirsk> ports- yeah i got that part of the idea already :P
14:29 < sir_lewk> I think they should raise the driving age and drop the drinking age in the US
14:30 < sir_lewk> drive at 18, drink at 18
14:30 < sir_lewk> adult is adult.
14:30 <+kirsk> i'm just wondering if the number of girls wh'd go for a married guy isn't too low to reap any benefits
14:30 < sir_lewk> make it the same as smoking, voting, and the draft
14:30 < ports-> kirsk:  how old are you
14:30 <@benryves> sir_lewk: I still think 18 is too high for a minimum drinking age; making it 16 reduces the "cool" factor somewhat.
14:30 <+kirsk> 21
14:31 < sir_lewk> kirsk: well I'd say you are more likely to get a one-night-stand with ports-'s plan then a long term relationship ;P
14:31 < sir_lewk> benryves: true
14:31 < sir_lewk> I think 18, but barely no penalties for underage would work
14:31 < ports-> sir_lewk:  which is what i want
14:31 < ports-> "hey wanna fuck?" isnt working
14:31 < sir_lewk> nobody gets worked up here if a 16 year old smokes for example
14:32 <@benryves> I have no idea what the smoking, driving or voting ages are in the UK for that matter. o_O
14:32 < sir_lewk> :O
14:32 < sir_lewk> how can you not know the voting age?
14:33 < sir_lewk> hmm
14:33 < sir_lewk> is 18 as voting pretty standard?
14:33 <@benryves> I've never voted in a general election.
14:33 <@benryves> The only thing I did vote on was Mayor of London, and I was over 21 then anyway.
14:33 < sir_lewk> ah
14:34 <@benryves> You have to be 16 to buy a National Lottery ticket, I know that much. :P
14:34 < ports-> lol
14:34 < ports-> you have stupid ages for everything
14:35 < ports-> you shouldnt get different privileges at 14,16, 18, 20, 21 etc
14:35 < ports-> and fuck high schoolers and driving..
14:35 < sir_lewk> I can never remember if 18 or 21 is gambling here.  I think it's 18 for gambling but almost all casinos are 21 because of booze
14:35 < ports-> 18 should be vote, drive, smoke, lottery.  21 is drink alcohol, casinos.
14:35 < sir_lewk> ports-: my thoughts exactly
14:35 < sir_lewk> except for the 21 part
14:35 <@benryves> Why is drink alcohol higher than smoking?
14:36 < sir_lewk> make it 18 across the board imho
14:36 <+kirsk> smoking should be banned completely
14:36 <@benryves> kirsk: I wish. :(
14:36 < sir_lewk> meh, if people want cancer then that's their perogative
14:36 < ports-> benryves:  because alcohol makes you lose control of yourself... as opposed to smoking a pack just makes you sick
14:36 <+kirsk> or you get a smoking license after your first cancer implant
14:37 < sir_lewk> drinking does much more harm to third parties than second hand smoke
14:37 <@benryves> sir_lewk: That's my issue with smoking, is that it bothers people who just happen to be nearby.
14:37 <+kirsk> alcohol decreases restrictions, only losers loose control of themselves
14:37 <+kirsk> *lose
14:37 < sir_lewk> a pack of smokes never made someone come home and beat their wife :-/
14:38 < sir_lewk> of course, that's a rather strawman argument too
14:38 < sir_lewk> alchohol doens't "make" anyone do something.  it just lowers inhibitions on jerks
14:38 <+kirsk> well neither did alcohol, you have to be a fuck up in either case to do such a thing
14:38 < sir_lewk> yeah
14:38 <+kirsk> honestly i dont think it lets you do anything you wouldnt do otherwise
14:39 < sir_lewk> perhaps.  I'm more open to socialization after a drink or two
14:39 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Either way, at least over here there's a certain "OMG getting drunk is cool" attitude, and lowering the minimum age may help reduce that somewhat. Maybe it wouldn't.
14:39 <+kirsk> it just cancels out the no i shouldnt do that anxiety with whatever ideas you normally get
14:39 < sir_lewk> I avoid drunk.  drunk is just stupid
14:39 <+kirsk> and even then stuff you'd never do without alcohol is still easily avoided
14:40 < sir_lewk> yeah, I wouldn't go running over hookers on purpose because I had a few drinks
14:40 < sir_lewk> weeeeeeelll.....
14:40 <+kirsk> well i think the ideas you get are still the same, youre just more likely to do the ones in lign with what you want while youre entoxicated
14:40 < sir_lewk> ;P
14:41 < sir_lewk> yeah.  that makes sense
14:41 <+kirsk> i mena you wouldnt seriously have that idea while sober so you probably wont while drunk and even then you wouldnt do it
14:41 <+kirsk> but the things that you do want to do will be easyer accepted and translated into action
14:42 < sir_lewk> "walk up to that chick and say something stupid"... ;)
14:42 <+kirsk> stuff like that
14:42  * benryves should probably get a vice. :\
14:42 < sir_lewk> hmm
14:42 <+kirsk> i find that control is still pretty easy even when wasted quite a bit
14:43 < sir_lewk> I just avoid getting totally wasted.
14:43 <+kirsk> coordination.. not so much ;)  but control over what you plan on doing and what not is pretty easy
14:43 <+kirsk> yeah me too
14:43 <+kirsk> but it happened sometimes
14:43 < sir_lewk> yeha
14:43 < sir_lewk> benryves: you should take up hookers and cheap wiskey
14:44 <+kirsk> i dont really change when im wasted, just get into hippyer mode
14:44 <+kirsk> wiskey is such a poser drink here
14:44 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Whisky here, more likely.
14:44 < sir_lewk> ah, yeah
14:45 < sir_lewk> I don't know anyone who actually drinks whisky around here
14:45 < sir_lewk> rum, vodka, and beer mostly
14:45 <+kirsk> well everyone i know could drink it of course but we never do
14:45 <@benryves> I guess we're more strongly tied to Scotland and you're more strongly tied to Ireland?
14:45 < sir_lewk> and rum only with other stuff, ie "rum and coke"
14:46 <+kirsk> but for example a little while ago at the back of the bus there were some noisy losers shouting about how they were gonna party at new years and drink whiskey and about how cool that is
14:46 <@benryves> About the only thing I drink is port. :)
14:46 <+kirsk> drinking whiskey is cool if you actually know stuff about it and have some good stuff
14:48 < sir_lewk> in which case you need to drink it while sitting in your giant chair by the fireplace while wearing your nice red smoking robe and smoking a pipe :P
14:48 <+kirsk> exactly
14:48 <+kirsk> not at some cafe chugging them down like its lemonade
14:48 <+kirsk> while gropiong the watresses and pissing your pants
14:48 <+kirsk> or whatever those people do
14:49 < sir_lewk> ugh, yeah
14:49 < sir_lewk> frat kid mentality basically
14:49 <@benryves> Passing out in pools of their own vomit is the standard Saturday night sight here.
14:49 < sir_lewk> my rule of thumb is, if you are drinking out of a plastic cup, then "you are doing it wrong"
14:50 < sir_lewk> breaks down some times, but meh
14:51 < sir_lewk> the guy across the hall from me in my dorm last year maded several gallons of wine in a giant plastic container
14:52 < sir_lewk> we made fun of it all year but at the end when we were all packing up he finally deemed it drinkable.  it wasn't actually *that* bad.  suprisingly
14:52 <+kirsk> i wonder if something like hawkeye has in his tent in m*a*s*h would be possible
14:52 < sir_lewk> hmm, possibly
14:53 < sir_lewk> room inspections from RAs every quarter might be an issue
14:53 <+kirsk> well i mean just the existence of such a build
14:53 < sir_lewk> this kid just hid it under dirty laundery :p
14:53 <+kirsk> i dont live at a silly dorm or anything
14:53 < sir_lewk> yeah, me neither now
14:53 <+kirsk> but it would go well next to the shroom growchambers
14:54 < sir_lewk> lol
14:55 < sir_lewk> RAs might be a bit forgiving towards some fool who's trying to make wine, but trying to grow shrooms in a dorm would probably be bad :)
14:55 < sir_lewk> that being said, I'm sure it's been done
14:56 <+kirsk> yeah even if you study mycology and have some regular species in there
14:59 <+kirsk> i think if you keep it in something lockable they cant do anything to look in it
15:00 < sir_lewk> hmm, yeah
15:00 < sir_lewk> shrooms are grown in the dark so that would work well actually
15:00 <+kirsk> thats the solution ive heard around the shroomery.org
15:01 < sir_lewk> shrooms are like americans.  they are kept in the dark and fed shit ;)
15:01 <+kirsk> lulz
15:02 < sir_lewk> my 7th grade english teacher loved to use that mushroom analogy for just about everything :)
15:02 < sir_lewk> I learned what a verb was from that man.  truely a great english teacher
15:02 <+kirsk> good times huh
15:02 < sir_lewk> truf
15:03 < sir_lewk> last I heard he became the tech director at that school and was trying to push linux onto the school district
15:05 <@Andy_J> lmao, old new thing commented on Friday's xkcd
15:05 <@Andy_J> http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/01/12/9306612.aspx
15:07 < sir_lewk> haha
15:08 < sir_lewk> hmm, how exactly do you pronounce "Rorschach"?
15:08 < ports-> hrm
15:08 <@E-J> i would say rorshah
15:09 < ports-> so that ring i bought
15:09 < ports-> its kind of funny
15:09 < ports-> guess what the name of it is
15:09 < _Auron_> lucy
15:09 < ports-> http://3headedpony.com/ballchain.html
15:10 <@E-J> sir_lewk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_inkblot_test there is ipa code for that
15:10 < ports-> _Auron_:  ball & chain :P
15:10 < ports-> so if girls ask about the ring... i can just say its the ball & chain
15:10 <+kirsk> hehe
15:11 < ports-> theyll think im married and i wont be
15:11 < ports-> i wonder if im sleezy enough to actually try this... probably not
15:11 <+kirsk> $50?
15:11 < ports-> i got the ring 50% off.. with free shipping.. $28.50
15:11 <+kirsk> oh cool
15:11 < ports-> its made out of a really nice polished metal.. tungsten carbide..
15:13 < sir_lewk> sweet
15:13 < sir_lewk> that's way cooler than any precious metal :)
15:14 < ports-> sir_lewk:  sarcasm doesnt suit you
15:14 < sir_lewk> actually I was being serious
15:14 < sir_lewk> liking gold and silver because they are not very common in the earth's crust is pretty lame
15:15 <+kirsk> Tungsten carbide is often used in armor-piercing ammunition... The first use of W2C projectiles occurred in German Luftwaffe tank-hunter squadrons...
15:15 <+kirsk> awesome
15:16 < sir_lewk> nice
15:16 <+kirsk> A criticality accident occurred at Los Alamos National Laboratory on 21 August 1945 when Harry K. Daghlian, Jr. accidentally dropped a tungsten carbide brick onto a plutonium sphere, causing the sub-critical mass to go critical with the reflected neutrons.
15:16 <+kirsk> haha oh shit
15:16 < sir_lewk> badass
15:17 < sir_lewk> I wonder what he was doing with a tungsten carbide brick
15:17 <+kirsk> well, "Tungsten carbide is also an effective neutron reflector and as such was used during early investigations into nuclear chain reactions, particularly for weapons."
15:18 < sir_lewk> ahh
15:18 <+kirsk> he died 3 weeks later
15:18 < sir_lewk> D:
15:18 <+kirsk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_K._Daghlian,_Jr.
15:19 <+kirsk> cool pic of the plutonium sphere with tungsten carbide around it
15:19 < sir_lewk> shiiiit
15:21 < ports-> lol
15:21 < ports-> kirsk:  there is another ring on that website i want
15:21 < sir_lewk> remind me to never try that
15:21 <+kirsk> The radiation event that accompanied prompt criticality was accompanied by a blue glow of ionization. Daghlian panicked immediately after dropping the brick and attempted to knock off the brick without success. He was forced to partially disassemble the tungsten-carbide pile to halt the reaction
15:21 < ports-> http://www.3headedpony.com/blacktop.html
15:22 <+kirsk> woo radiation burns
15:22 <+kirsk> oh nice ports-
15:22 < ports-> yeh
15:22 < ports-> its a little more expensive though
15:22 < ports-> i normally dont wear rings/jewelry... so im trying something new
15:23 <@benryves> It's a slippery slope. Starts off with a ring, next thing you know you look like Mr. T.
15:23 <@Andy_J> That isn't necessarily a bad thing.
15:23 <+kirsk> lulz
15:23 <+kirsk> it is if youre white
15:25 < sir_lewk> "In a supercritical (k > 1) assembly, the neutron activity increases exponentially with time. If the assembly is supercritical but not prompt-critical, the increase will be fairly slow (e.g. double every few minutes). If the assembly is prompt-critical, the increase will be extremely rapid and will cause an explosion if kept prompt-critical for long enough (meaning a few millionths of a second or less)."
15:25 < sir_lewk> wow, if that really went prompt critical that could have turned out much worse
15:28 < sir_lewk> mmm, criticality is cool stuff
15:28 < sir_lewk> err, *hot stuff ;)
15:28 <+kirsk> Slotin grasped the upper beryllium hemisphere with his left hand through a thumb hole at the top while he maintained the separation of the half-spheres using the blade of a screwdriver with his right hand
15:28 <+kirsk> At 3:20 p.m., the screwdriver slipped and the upper beryllium hemisphere fell, causing a "prompt critical" reaction and a burst of hard radiation.
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15:31 < Merthsoft> l
15:31 <+kirsk> The incident was recounted in Dexter Masters' 1955 novel The Accident, a fictional account of the last few days of the life of a nuclear scientist suffering from radiation poisoning.
15:31 <+kirsk> hey ive read that :o
15:31 <+kirsk> in hs
15:32 < sir_lewk> going by the definition of "prompt critical" from wikipedia, I'm not entirely sure how that would be defined as prompt critical
15:32 < Merthsoft> benryves: You aboot?
15:32 < sir_lewk> seems to require that something be defecting nuetrons back in, not that it simply just reach supercritical mass
15:32 <@benryves> Merthsoft: Aye
15:33 <+kirsk> the neutrons cause it to go critical
15:33 < Merthsoft> benryves: You ever use C# with xml? I need some help...
15:33 <+kirsk> At the time, the scientists in the room observed the "blue glow" of air ionization and felt a "heat wave".
15:33 < Merthsoft> I've got these xsl files, and I wanna use them to make a C# class that'll be able to read in the xml files
15:33 <@benryves> Merthsoft: I assume you've taken a look at System.Xml
15:33 <+kirsk> "Slotin instinctively jerked his left hand upward, lifting the upper beryllium hemisphere and dropping it to the floor, ending the reaction." if he didnt do that then it wouldve been byebye research lab
15:33 < Merthsoft> I found this website: http://www.bware.biz/CodeXS/CodeXS.asmx but i dunno how stuff is working
15:34 < sir_lewk> nice
15:34 < Merthsoft> benryves: Yeah, I've done some simple xml stuff, but never a serialized file
15:34 < sir_lewk> if that wasn't so sure to kill me, I'd add it to my list of stupid stuff to do before I die
15:34 < sir_lewk> right after spacewalking without a spacesuit :)
15:34 <@Andy_J> you can always put it at the end of the list, sir_lewk 
15:34 < sir_lewk> true
15:35 <@benryves> Merthsoft: Sorry, I'm not sure I follow, though - xsl is just a stylesheet.
15:35 <+kirsk> The Demon core was put to use for the Able test of the Crossroads series on July 1, 1946, demonstrating that the criticality experiments of Daghlian and Slotin increased the efficiency of the weapon.
15:35 <+kirsk> heh
15:35 < Merthsoft> erm
15:35 < Merthsoft> not xsl, sorry
15:35 < Merthsoft> an xml schema
15:35 < sir_lewk> lol
15:36 < sir_lewk> does it say how it increased it's efficiency?
15:36 < Merthsoft> i forget the extension :/
15:37 <+kirsk> no but they did the tests to measure the critical mass of the core so that probably let them finetune it
15:37 < sir_lewk> ah, interesting
15:38 <@benryves> Merthsoft: I'm still not sure I follow you. :\ System.Xml has files that will load XML documents (that can then be queried, eg with XPath).
15:39 < Merthsoft> benryves: Did you look at that site. It takes in an XML schema and spits out a class that'll contain all the data, that's basically what I want, but I'm not quite sure how to then feed the class an XML document. Maybe if I emailed you some things you could look at them?
15:39 < sir_lewk> oh, I see, beryllium is a neutron reflector
15:40 < sir_lewk> that makes sense then
15:40 <@benryves> Merthsoft: I looked at the site but had no idea what it was up to.
15:40 < Merthsoft> do you know about .xsd files?
15:40 <@benryves> Merthsoft: Nope.
15:40 < Merthsoft> ah, well
15:40 < Merthsoft> that explains it
15:41 < sir_lewk> "Slotin's radiation dose was equivalent to the amount that he would have been exposed to by being 1500 m (4800 ft) away from the detonation of an atomic bomb." Oh shit! D:
15:41 <+kirsk> yeah
15:41 <+kirsk> i like the demon core story
15:42 < sir_lewk> 1.5 KM, iirc he would have just been vaporised at hiroshima
15:42 < sir_lewk> yeah, I can't believe I never heard of this before
15:42 < Merthsoft> benryves: they looks like this: http://tcpa.pastebin.com/m59d31e81 and define the data that's in an XML file
15:42 <+kirsk> burned badly i think
15:42 <+kirsk> pretty bad luck too, it was the last test before that core would be detonated
15:43 <@benryves> Merthsoft: I see, and you want to turn that into a class at runtime?
15:43 <@benryves> s/class/type
15:43 < Merthsoft> the website takes that and gives me: http://tcpa.pastebin.com/m51f32003
15:44 < Merthsoft> which basically looks like what I need, I think.
15:44 <@benryves> Oh, so not even runtime.
15:44 < ports-> ok
15:45 < Merthsoft> right
15:45 <+kirsk> idk what kind of dumbass you have to be to use nothing but holding a screwdriver to prevent a plutonium core right in front of you from going prompt critical
15:46 < Merthsoft> so then I think what I do is use the method at the nottom "public static HosteeCollection FromXml(string Xml)" and pass in the file that I read in?
15:46 < Merthsoft> just read the file as a string
15:46 < sir_lewk> yeah, I was kind of thinking the same thing
15:46 <@benryves> Merthsoft: You shouldn't have to do so, surely? Just use the bog standard XML serialization stuff.
15:46 <+kirsk> "oh this core is going to power a 20kt nuclear weapon, ill just ignore protocl and use this screwdriver instead"
15:47 < sir_lewk> I guess he just got used to the concept of working around nasty shit and got lazy
15:47 < sir_lewk> kind of desensitized I guess
15:47 < Merthsoft> benryves: but this way I have a nice class alredy made and everything, right?
15:47 < Merthsoft> like, this'll let the data be a lot easier to manipulate
15:47 < sir_lewk> still, the same core killed his friend not that long before
15:47 < sir_lewk> :O
15:47 <+kirsk> yeah and he sat at his deathbed for days
15:47 < sir_lewk> maybe it was actually a case of nuclear suicide! :O
15:48 < sir_lewk> oh, that's a dreadful thought
15:48 <@benryves> Merthsoft: Yup. T Deserialised = (T)new XmlSerializer(typeof(T)).Deserialize(source); should do the trick, I'd hope.
15:48 <+kirsk> thats probably one of the worst ways to commit suicide
15:48 < Merthsoft> yeah but...
15:48 <+kirsk> though least likely to fail
15:49 < sir_lewk> yeah
15:49 <@Andy_J> an hero?
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15:49 < sir_lewk> I doubt he would have done that on purpose, that'd be a great way to take out a ton of people
15:49 < sir_lewk> there were several other people present :S
15:50 < sir_lewk> I think I'd rather drink battery acid.  probably far less painful...
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15:52 <+kirsk> inject some air into your veins
15:52 <@Andy_J> lead through the gray matter is still the best way
15:52 <@Andy_J> why are we talking about this anyway?
15:52 <+kirsk> too survivable imho
15:52 < sir_lewk> I'd use a shotgun personally
15:53 <+kirsk> dont want to wake up with half your head blown off
15:53 < sir_lewk> you don't want to bleed to death with a hole in the back of your neck
15:53 < sir_lewk> yeeg
15:53 <+kirsk> bullet to the brains is actually quite survivable
15:54 < sir_lewk> ok, question.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1
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15:54 < sir_lewk> why doesn't greenpeace use that as an example of "nuclear == evil" instead of three mile island?
15:54 <+kirsk> because greenpeace = idiots
15:55 < sir_lewk> true
15:55 <+kirsk> and nuclear isnt evil
15:55 < sir_lewk> also true
15:55 < sir_lewk> not according to greenpeace though
15:55 <+kirsk> even if they use that theres not much of a case to be made against nuclear energy
15:55 < sir_lewk> mmhm
15:56 <+kirsk> and 3 guys dieing from a nuclear meltdown probably isnt a strong enough message
15:56 < sir_lewk> "some shoddy ass russian reactor that should have never been built went foobar.  therefore you should shut down all our nuclear plants."
15:57 < sir_lewk> well they love to drag out TMI as an example to show that not just russians can fail
15:57 < Merthsoft> benryves: can you explain what you're doing up there with T Deserialised = (T)new XmlSerializer(typeof(T)).Deserialize(source);
15:57 < sir_lewk> though TMI is really just a demonstration that the important safety mechanisms work
15:57 <@benryves> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25 is a slightly more worrying one, though that's a good example of how dangerous buggy software can be.
15:57 < sir_lewk> containment building, etc
15:58 < sir_lewk> oh wow
15:58 < Merthsoft> I don't seem to have XmlSerializer
15:58 <+kirsk> yeah i think its actually a case in favor of nuclear power plants
15:58 < Ox40Work> I hate it when people say that when someone is shot in the head they 'die instantly'.
15:58 <+kirsk> as long as the operators are trained well
15:58 <@benryves> Merthsoft: Right-click, resolve. XmlSerializer can serialize (or deserialize) objects to and from XML representations.
15:58 < Ox40Work> dont tell me that doesn't hurt like a BITCH for a while
15:59 < Merthsoft> It's not completing XmlSerializer
15:59 <+kirsk> Ox40Work your brain shuts down from massive trauma to protect you and keep you from experiencing it
15:59 < Damakaru> Any good on-line/for Linux DVORAK Touch-Type exerciser?
15:59 < Merthsoft> oh i see
15:59 < Merthsoft> nvm
15:59 <+kirsk> but youll be fucked up when you wake up
15:59 <@Andy_J> cat > /dev/null
16:00 <@benryves> Merthsoft: Right-click, Resolve should give you "using System.Xml.Serialization;"
16:00 < sir_lewk> as far as I'm concerned, near-instant dispersal of gray matter is the way to go
16:00 < Merthsoft> yeah got it
16:00 <+kirsk> although if youre conscious then yeah pain but only from the headwound, gray matter doesnt have nerves to feel pain from
16:00 < Merthsoft> there's still an error in my xml file :/ which doesn't make sense since access made the damn file
16:01 <+kirsk> you know those tv series where theyre at some hospitals ER?
16:01 <@benryves> Merthsoft: 'nuff said.
16:01 <@Andy_J> lol access
16:01 < sir_lewk> I'd be more concerned with the horror associated with realizing that you're bleeding to death from a giant hole in your head, lying on the floor
16:01 <+kirsk> often see people who got shot in the head being brought in there and surviving
16:01 < Damakaru> I found that my laptop has easily-remove keys, sso I figre, "Why not?"
16:01 < sir_lewk> I imagine beheading is pretty horrific too
16:01 < Merthsoft> benryves: but nothing else is saying it's wrong...
16:01 <@benryves> Merthsoft: Tried opening the XML in Internet Explorer?
16:02 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: yeah, you don't die for a couple minutes
16:02 < sir_lewk> mmhm
16:02 < Merthsoft> yeah, and firefox, and XML Notepad
16:02 <@benryves> What's the error?
16:02 < sir_lewk> well, technically you should black out after only a second or two, but it'll take quite a while for the brain to die
16:02 < Merthsoft> There is an error in XML document (2, 2).
16:02 <+kirsk> yeah wont be consious for long
16:02 <@benryves> Merthsoft: Can you paste it somewhere?
16:03 < Merthsoft> the xml file?
16:03 < sir_lewk> if you space yourself it take ~10 seconds for the deoxyginated blood to reach the brain, at which point you black out
16:03 <@benryves> Merthsoft: Aye
16:03 < sir_lewk> beheading I'd think would be even quicker
16:03 < Merthsoft> yeah, we're gonna have to go to PM though
16:03 < sir_lewk> though just as long for the brain to actually die
16:03 <@benryves> Merthsoft: I meant on a paste site.
16:04 < Merthsoft> yeah I know what you meant
16:04 <+kirsk> yeah i think best way is injecting a decent air buble in your veins. quick heart-attack  and youre gone
16:04 < sir_lewk> eh, heart-attacks can be pretty painful
16:05 < sir_lewk> not nearly as bad as the alternatives discussed though I guess
16:05 <+kirsk> but theres no wayyoull survive it
16:05 < sir_lewk> yeah
16:05 <+kirsk> doing it wrong and getting a brain aneurism instead would be pretty messed up
16:05 < sir_lewk> bottle of sleeping pills and some booze would probably be the most pleasant, though relatively unlikely to suceed
16:06 <+kirsk> hmm maybe inject it right into your heart
16:06 < sir_lewk> yeah, getting a stroke instead would be fucked up
16:07 < sir_lewk> I think I will just choose to not die
16:07 <+kirsk> maybe you can even prevent most of the pain from the heart attack with pain meds or morphine or something
16:07 < sir_lewk> transhumanism ftw
16:07 < sir_lewk> you could OD on morphine for that matter
16:07 < Damakaru> Who is trying (wanting) to commit suicide here?
16:07 < sir_lewk> I don't know why they use all that complicated weird shit in lethal injections in the US
16:07 < sir_lewk> Damakaru: nobody, hopefully
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16:08 <+kirsk> what do they use anyway?
16:08 <@benryves> sir_lewk: See: capital punishment in general. :\
16:08 < sir_lewk> mm, let me look it up, some weird chemicals
16:08 < sir_lewk> I support hanging
16:08 <@Nikky> I don't support capital punishment.
16:08 < sir_lewk> done properly, broken neck
16:09 <+kirsk> i'd choose death by fire squad
16:09 < sir_lewk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection#Drugs
16:09 < sir_lewk> yeah, firing squad is decent too
16:09 < sir_lewk> I don't like all the technical stuff like gas chambers, lethal injection, electric chair, etc
16:10 < Damakaru> If I don't feel it (pain), everything is good.
16:11 < sir_lewk> hmm, looks like lethal injection basically paralyses you, then shuts down your heart
16:11 < mokomull> why the fucking hell did this come up :X
16:11 < sir_lewk> dunno
16:11 < Damakaru> People like death?
16:12 < sir_lewk> oh, kirsk randomly quoted a wikipedia article about the demon core
16:12 < sir_lewk> just evolved from there
16:12 <+kirsk> survivability of the body is interesting
16:13 < sir_lewk> I want to try liquid breathing some time
16:13 < sir_lewk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing
16:13 <@benryves> Mm, The Abyss. :D
16:13 < sir_lewk> haven't seen it
16:13 <+kirsk> :)
16:14 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Do so, but make sure you see the full version - the original cinema release had the punchline removed, and makes little sense.
16:14 < sir_lewk> I think it'd be cool to modify the human respiritory system to work with a continuous flow, kind of like gills
16:14 < sir_lewk> will do :)
16:15 < Damakaru> kirsk:  Won-t that be terrible?
16:16 <+kirsk> wont what be terrible?
16:16 < Damakaru> *Points to Wiki.*
16:16 < Damakaru> Oh.
16:16 <+kirsk> sir_lewk
16:16 < Damakaru> That was sir_lewk.
16:17 < sir_lewk> oh
16:17 < sir_lewk> Damakaru: perhaps
16:17 <+kirsk> i think the idea will be very uncomfertable
16:17 < sir_lewk> I imagine there'd be a certian amount of gag reflex
16:18 < Damakaru> I think it,d feel like drowning.
16:18 < sir_lewk> I think liquid breathing and unprotected exposure to space could go together pretty well though
16:18 < sir_lewk> you'd avoid all the nasty "bursting lungs, or exhale" business
16:18 <+kirsk> but not the temperature problems
16:18 < sir_lewk> no
16:19 < sir_lewk> but that's only really minor frostbite after a while
16:19 < sir_lewk> not like in the movies
16:19 <+kirsk> isn't it like 176C?
16:19 <+kirsk> -
16:19 < sir_lewk> it's worst in the mouth because you'd have to exhale.  lots of evaporation
16:20 < sir_lewk> the temp depends if there's sunlight or not.  regardless though, a vacuum is a pretty good insulator
16:20 < sir_lewk> evaporation is what'll get you
16:20 <+kirsk> what about cosmic radiation and space debris
16:20 < sir_lewk> buuut with liquid breathing, perhaps some googles too, I bet you'd be good for a few minutes
16:21 < sir_lewk> yeah, that'd be an issue
16:21 <+kirsk> yeah ok a few minutes should be doable
16:21 < sir_lewk> radiation could fuck you up, space debris would be rather bad luck
16:21 <+kirsk> but if its only about evaporation then why liquid breathing and not just any kind of oxygen mask
16:21 < sir_lewk> well that'd be cheating :P
16:22 < sir_lewk> plus, I think it has to do with the differences in density
16:22 <+kirsk> im sure theres good reasons why they make multimillion $ space suits and dont just use some diving suits
16:22 < Merthsoft> your body trys to fill the vaccuum
16:22 < sir_lewk> mmhm
16:22 <@E-J> http://naurunappula.com/kuvat/90130/pahaongelmanp9.png
16:23 < sir_lewk> you'd start to painfully swell up.  nothing deadly though
16:24 < sir_lewk> there is something about the differences in density that causes your lungs to burst in low pressure, I *think* if the liquid was close to the same density as tissue you'd be alright though
16:24 <+kirsk> ok but you wouldnt have that problem with diving equipment
16:25 <+kirsk> its already pressurized
16:25 < sir_lewk> yeah
16:25 < sir_lewk> not sure if diving equipment could take that kind of stress though, it's a vacuum instead of very high pressure
16:26 < sir_lewk> the spacesuit as I understand it is basically to prevent swelling of tissue and suffication
16:26 < sir_lewk> also heating and air conditioning
16:27 < sir_lewk> there are concepts that basically just involve a wetsuit type deal and a pressurized helmet though
16:27 <+kirsk> cool
16:27 < sir_lewk> mechanical pressurization of flesh instead of atomospheric
16:28 <+kirsk> like a really tight wetsuit?
16:28 < sir_lewk> yeah
16:28 < sir_lewk> that's the idea at least
16:28 < sir_lewk> I don't think anything has gotten off the drawing boards yet.  for lack of proper materials I believe
16:29 <+kirsk> i bet its a bitch to put on too
16:31 < sir_lewk> yeah, probably
16:32 < sir_lewk> they could probably recruit a bunch of bondage fetish people ;D
16:33 <+kirsk> goth chicks in space :o
16:33 < sir_lewk> lulz, sounds like a porno
16:33 <+kirsk> Goth Chicks In Space: The Massive Void
16:33 < sir_lewk> xD
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16:40 < sir_lewk> wello Spengo 
16:41 < Spengo> hello
16:52 < Damakaru> Friggin' Amarok never wants to compile...
16:53 -!- Merthsoft [~Shaun@dhcp-064-247-103-064.eg5.ohiou.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
16:57 < Damakaru> Devs are chicken to take over package.
17:01 -!- rivereye [~Rivereye@c-24-11-113-194.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:02 <@benryves> Damakaru: Huh?
17:05 < sir_lewk> Damakaru: are you packaging it for Arch or something?
17:07 < Damakaru> sir_lewk:  Devs said they don't want to fuck with it; users have to roll it themselves.  MySQL/libMTP issues.
17:08 < sir_lewk> it's not too uncommon for devs to let others package
17:09 < sir_lewk> though if there are issues during the build I'd take it up with them
17:11 < Ox40Work> http://rafb.net/p/DZyrO498.html
17:11 < Ox40Work> look good?
17:13 < sir_lewk> sure
17:13 < sir_lewk> what's it do?
17:15 -!- i_c-Y [~Icy@pool-96-242-204-66.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #tcpa
17:15 < Ox40Work> delete from `ps_order_detail` as `d` WHERE there is no entry for `ps_order_detail`.`id_order` in `ps_orders` AS `o`
17:16 < sir_lewk> well duh, what is a ps_order_detail?
17:16 < sir_lewk> oh, is this for that online store?
17:17 < Ox40Work> order_detail ;)
17:17 < Ox40Work> ps_ is the DB prefix
17:17 < Ox40Work> yeah, online store
17:17 < sir_lewk> ah, gotcha
17:17 < Ox40Work> I had to remove all my test orders
17:17 < sir_lewk> I was thinking 'ps' like the unix command :)
17:17 < Ox40Work> so, DELETE FROM `ps_orders` AS `o` WHERE o.`id_customer` = 1
17:18 < sir_lewk> yeah
17:19 < sir_lewk> what language is that?
17:20 <@benryves> SQL?
17:20 < sir_lewk> oh
17:21 < sir_lewk> I don't know database-y stuff
17:23 < mokomull> Ox40Work: What the HELL?
17:23 < mokomull> DELETE FROM ... LEFT JOIN?
17:23 < mokomull> what the hell you expect that to do?
17:25 < sir_lewk> what is that LEFT JOIN jazz?
17:26 < mokomull> It's a type of SQL join ... read about those on Wikipedia; I can't explain it worth shit
17:30 < sir_lewk> cool
17:32 <@Andy_J> DELETE FROM `some_table` WHERE `some_field` = ''; DROP TABLE `some_table` --'
17:32 <@Andy_J> >_>
17:33 < sir_lewk> but what if some_table still has some stuff where some_field != ''?
17:33 < sir_lewk> (I don't actually know what I'm talking about)
17:34 <@Andy_J> then it'll delete that stuff
17:34 <@Andy_J> and then proceed to drop the table
17:34 < sir_lewk> hmm. ok
17:34 < Ox40Work> mokomull: uh....
17:35 < Ox40Work> Table 1 has fields and `id_order`
17:35 < Ox40Work> Table 2 has fields and `id_order`
17:35 < sir_lewk> I shall read more about this before I make myself look stupider
17:35 <@Andy_J> Ox40Work: if you're using the word "join" anywhere in a delete statement, you're doing it wrong.
17:35 < Ox40Work> Andy_J: wrong.
17:35 <@Andy_J> and you should be using foreign keys instead.
17:35 < Ox40Work> I deleted things fro table 2 where there were no entries in table 1
17:35 <@Andy_J> with ON DELETE CASCADE
17:35 < Ox40Work> bleh, cascading deletes? booooo
17:35 <@Andy_J> You should not have let the table get in such a state in the first place.
17:35 < mokomull> Yeah, I actually have to side with Ox40Work ... :P
17:36 < sir_lewk> RESONANCE CASCADE EFFECT :O
17:36 < Ox40Work> Cascading deletes are time-killers on huge systems
17:36 < mokomull> I like foreign keys, but there's a bitter taste left when I instruct my database to go and delete data without me explicitly saying so.
17:36 < Ox40Work> s/time/performance/
17:36 <@Andy_J> except you did tell it to delete the data :b
17:37 < Ox40Work> yeah, well, thi sstuff isn't supposed to be deleted.
17:37 < mokomull> I mean, I don't even like using DELETE when I can help it.
17:37 < Ox40Work> They are orders, there is no supported 'delete' functino in this application, so I had to do it manually
17:37 < Ox40Work> The application would do it's own 'cascading' effect thru PHP.
17:37 <+kirsk> preferabbly you do update table set status = deleted where id - x
17:37 <+kirsk> =
17:37 < Ox40Work> kirsk: jup
17:38 < mokomull> What RDBMS are you using?
17:38 < Ox40Work> Well, the DoboloRDBMS, of course.
17:38 < Ox40Work> <has no clue what RDBMS is>
17:38 <+kirsk> relational database management system
17:38 <+kirsk> like mysql
17:38 < Ox40Work> oh, uh, just using mysql...
17:38 <@Andy_J> well he's using ` so that implies mysql
17:38 < Ox40Work> no 'management system'
17:39 <+kirsk> mysql is the rdbms
17:39 < Ox40Work> just some DAL stuff
17:39 < Ox40Work> kirsk: ah
17:39 < Ox40Work> ;)
17:39 < mokomull> MySQL does "database management"
17:39 <+kirsk> not a very good one but it is
17:39 < mokomull> What do you suggest in its place?
17:39 < Ox40Work> :P
17:40 < Ox40Work> NOT mssql
17:40 <@Andy_J> pgsql
17:40 < Ox40Work> *headdesk*
17:40 < mokomull> Ox40Work: hey now, I worked for SQL Server
17:40 < Ox40Work> postgres booo
17:40 <@Andy_J> sqlite!
17:40 < Ox40Work> mokomull: sorry, they stole your soul didn't they?
17:40 <+kirsk> oracle lulz
17:40 < mokomull> No, I hate it too :)
17:40 < Ox40Work> Flat files!
17:40 < mokomull> ext2!
17:40 < Ox40Work> They are so flat they take up less space. You can stack them :P
17:41 <@Andy_J> mmap in arrays
17:41 < Ox40Work> lol, where did I see that? O.o I forgot.
17:41 <@Andy_J> or hashtables
17:41 <@Andy_J> no security issues there at all right
17:41 <+kirsk> theres nothing to suggest over mysql or postgre unless you have a shitton of cash
17:41 < Ox40Work> Real nerds transmit their data by standing up (meaning 1) or laying down (meaning 0) via webcam.
17:41 <@Andy_J> Ox40Work: no, semaphores.
17:42 < Ox40Work> O.o
17:42  * benryves is currently having grief with MySQL Query Browser and its lacklustre UTF-8 support. :(
17:43 < Ox40Work> dont use utf8!!!!! :)
17:43 <@Andy_J> Ox40Work: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc4824.html
17:43 <@benryves> Ox40Work: Use what, then?
17:43 <@Andy_J> you can encode an entire nibble in a single semaphore
17:43 <+kirsk> db2 oracle mssql all proprietary licenses
17:44 <@benryves> MSSQL has an Express edition.
17:44 < sir_lewk> everyone should use UTF-8
17:44 < Ox40Work> lmao Andy_J
17:44 < Damakaru> sir_lewk:  Agreed.
17:44 <@E-J> sir_lewk: i won't use it
17:44 <@E-J> i use iso-8859-1 or -15 or -10
17:44 < sir_lewk> "< Ox40Work> Real nerds transmit their data by standing up (meaning 1) or laying down (meaning 0) via webcam."  No, that's too much physical work
17:44 <@benryves> It's kind of a biggy when I need to store text in Cyrillic and Arabic as well as a host of assorted European accented characters.
17:45 <@Andy_J> I like the error one.
17:45 < Ox40Work>  0/
17:45 < Ox40Work>   0/
17:45 < Ox40Work> DAMN IT
17:45 < Ox40Work> . 0/
17:45 < Ox40Work> ./|
17:45 < Ox40Work> ./ \
17:45 < Ox40Work> *ta-da!*
17:45 < sir_lewk> well, IDEALLY everyone should ditch their ancient ass primitive language and just use latin derived characters
17:46  * sir_lewk glares at asia and the middle east
17:46 <@Andy_J> ._\0/_
17:46 <@Andy_J> . /|\
17:46 <@Andy_J> . / \
17:46 <@Andy_J> wut.
17:46 < Ox40Work> lmao
17:46 < Ox40Work> I was just looking at that one :P
17:46 < sir_lewk> haha, alien
17:46 < Ox40Work> it means "Error" lol
17:46 <@benryves> Shiva!
17:46 < mokomull> sir_lewk: Does it not occur to you that written language in Asian languages would be extremely difficult without complex characters?
17:46 <@Andy_J> I <3 1 April RFCs
17:46 < Damakaru> "Ancient-ass primitive language"  or "Ancient ass-primitive language?"
17:47 < mokomull> !k Damakaru Being an idiot.
17:47 -!- Damakaru was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [mokomull: Being an idiot.]
17:47 < mokomull> sweet I am IDENTed
17:47 -!- Damakaru [~winterven@75.111.164.160] has joined #tcpa
17:47 < sir_lewk> the first :P
17:48 < Ox40Work> There are no further definitions for State Idle, but we recommend
17:48 < Ox40Work>    staying away from alcoholic beverages or other types of drugs that
17:48 < Ox40Work>    could lead to an increased number of FUN and/or SUN signals, a
17:48 < Ox40Work>    decrease in bandwidth, or an increase of line latency.
17:48 < Ox40Work> *hides*
17:48 <@benryves> mokomull: "If ASCII is good enough for me, it should be good enough for everyone". :(
17:48 < Damakaru> "Join TCPA" is a lot to type, now.
17:48 <+kirsk> i just double click on the kick message's "from #tcpa"
17:49 < mokomull> benryves: That's why UTF8 was developed!  You can use your ASCII, I can use my Chinese, and nothing's ambiguous!
17:49 < Damakaru> No X-Mouse enabled in client.
17:50 <@benryves> mokomull: So one would hope.
17:50 < mokomull> Yeah, I got a ton of music that was ripped in China and tagged in GB18030, which my system then tries to interpret as UTF-8 :(
17:50 < sir_lewk> latin characters should be enough for the chinese.  they need to get with the program already
17:50 <@benryves> I haven't got to the bottom of why certain characters, eg the right quotation mark, get nuked when transferring databases between machines. The left quotation mark is fine.
17:50 < mokomull> or worse, ISO-8859-1
17:51 < Damakaru> Ew.
17:51 <@benryves> PHP is utterly oblivious to all this, of course.
17:52 < Damakaru> Double-"Ew."
17:53 < mokomull> sir_lewk: You realize there are only about 300 distinct syllables one can make in Chinese, and most words are only two syllables long... you can't make that unambiguous without some way to write distinct homophones distinctly.
17:53 < sir_lewk> what kind of failtacular "modern" language doesn't know about modern charsets?
17:53 < sir_lewk> mokomull: they they should get with the program and speak english :P
17:53  * sir_lewk ducks
17:54 <@benryves> sir_lewk: It probably doesn't help that to PHP a string is just a stream of bytes, which coincidentally sorts of works to store text if you assume a single-byte character set.
17:54 < sir_lewk> "failtacular language" was directed at PHP btw
17:54 < Damakaru> Fuck English.
17:54 < mokomull> sir_lewk: I'm sure you do know how absolutely horrid English is for damn near any purpose
17:54 <@E-J> one thing about utf, i hate. Some people are so fanatics that they try to force everyone else to use it. It's like religion fanatics or browser fanatics or mactards
17:54 < sir_lewk> mokomull: oh of course, english is horrible
17:55 <@E-J> that's why i call it wtf8
17:55 < sir_lewk> well it *IS* a standard with practical reasons to be used ;)
17:55 <@benryves> E-J: Is that Unicode in general or just that particular string encoding?
17:56 <@E-J> sir_lewk: iso-8859-1 is standard too :)
17:56 < Damakaru> Wait until UTF-16/32.
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17:56 <@E-J> benryves: maybe just that particular
17:56 < sir_lewk> if we were pusing EBCDIC on people instead of UTF-8, then I'd understand your point ;)
17:57 < sir_lewk> Damakaru: they exist iirc
17:57 <@benryves> Of course they do.
17:57 < sir_lewk> UTF-8 makes more sense because it's backwards compatible
17:57 < metagross> yo
17:57 < sir_lewk> sup metagross
17:57 < sir_lewk> mah homedawg
17:57 < Damakaru> Ho'.
17:57 <@benryves> UTF-8 also has the advantage of not being susceptible to endianness issues.
17:57 < sir_lewk> truth
17:58 <@benryves> And there's always UTF-7 for those pesky 7-bit-only systems.
17:58 <@E-J> sir_lewk: in finnish irc "community" some people tried that all finnish channels would change to utf8 some years ago
17:58 -!- DSP_pda [~DSP_pda@32.160.216.98] has joined #tcpa
17:58 < DSP_pda> ...
17:58 <@Andy_J> ohi
17:58 <@Andy_J> about time you showed up here
17:58 < DSP_pda> hello.
17:58 < sir_lewk> did it not work well or something?
17:58 < sir_lewk> hello DSP_pda
17:58 <@Andy_J> benryves: don't forget UTF-1
17:58 < DSP_pda> hello Lewk
17:58 <@Andy_J> however that is supposed to work
17:58 < DSP_pda> benryves is a silly.
17:59 < Damakaru> Mu-t suck IRC from PDA.
17:59 < metagross> sir_lewk: took the school day off :)
17:59 < DSP_pda> Dama: meh.
17:59 <@Andy_J> DSP_pda: no, you're a silly for still not fixing your ocmputers <_<
17:59 < DSP_pda> it works.
17:59 <@benryves> DSP_pda: Thanks. :(
17:59 < mokomull> Andy_J: That was also supposed to be one byte encoding, but it wasn't as disambiguous as UTF-8
17:59 < DSP_pda> lies.
17:59 < DSP_pda> <3
17:59 < mokomull> i.e. UTF-8 can recover from truncation, etc, pretty well, but UTF-1 was just fuxx0r3d if you started the string a byte late or something
17:59  * DSP_pda huggles benryves
17:59  * Milyardo 's new router came today
18:00 <@benryves> :D
18:00 < DSP_pda> :D
18:00  * Milyardo hops around the room gleefuly
18:00 < i_c-Y> what router is it?
18:00  * DSP_pda pokes Nikky
18:00 < mokomull> Cisco 2600?
18:00 < DSP_pda> also bsparks.
18:00 < Damakaru> Irssi puts white on white.  How to fix?
18:00 <+kirsk> did you guys notice talking about character encoding is increadibly boring?
18:00 <@Andy_J> Damakaru: by setting your terminal to have a black background
18:00 < Milyardo> WRT54GL
18:01 <@benryves> kirsk: Not really.
18:01 < DSP_pda> as opposed to what, kirsk?
18:01 <@Andy_J> which irssi just assumes because that's the right way to do it anyway
18:01 < i_c-Y> Milyardo: ok, that is acceptable as I own one. carry on.
18:01 < Milyardo> Alt chicks
18:01 < DSP_pda> no.
18:01 <@Andy_J> goth alt chicks
18:01 < DSP_pda> don't start.
18:01 <@Andy_J> which just so happen to be traps(?)
18:01 < DSP_pda> babies will be raped.
18:01 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o mokomull] by efneTI86
18:01 < i_c-Y> HOT GOTH ALT METAL CHICKS. you need to use the proper capitalization and atleast 4 qualifiers.
18:01 <@E-J> sir_lewk: actually 1.1.2006 tukaani.org wanted that all finnish channels would change to utf and of course most people were against it
18:01  * mokomull readies himself
18:02 < DSP_pda> gogo mokomull
18:02 < Damakaru> Andy_J:  Contrast on TFT is easy to read with white.
18:02 < i_c-Y> DSP_pda: what is he, a power ranger?
18:02 < DSP_pda> hey E-J :)
18:02 < DSP_pda> icy: mebbe.
18:02 <@Andy_J> I see no make no counter to my "fix your computers already" statement, DSP_pda 
18:02 < Damakaru> Not so good with black.
18:02 <@Andy_J> *you make
18:02 < metagross> anyone good with TBM o_O
18:02 <@E-J> hey pda_dsp
18:02 < DSP_pda> Andy_J: probably buying a new one soon.
18:03 <@mokomull> the fuck is TBM?
18:03 <@Andy_J> finally
18:03 < sir_lewk> 12:57 [freenode] -christel(i=christel@freenode/staff/exherbo.christel)- [Global Notice] Hi all, In about 5 minutes time we'll be taking down one of our client servers for maintenance. The downtime window is one hour but it should take considerably less time. Affected users ~1k. Thank you for flying freenode and have a nice evening!
18:03 <+kirsk> hmm i was supposed to send my cv to two companies today but windows live mail page isnt loading
18:03 < DSP_pda> E-J: dude.
18:03 < sir_lewk> damn freenode sucks ass
18:03 < Damakaru> mokomull:  Block game
18:03 < Damakaru> mokomull: (LEGOS.)
18:03 < DSP_pda> i read about some Finnish badass from the Winter War.
18:03 < metagross> mokomull: dshiznitits mod or something
18:03 < DSP_pda> fucking insane.
18:03 <+kirsk> DSP_pda: the sniper?
18:03 < metagross> i can't spell his name :S
18:03 < DSP_pda> yes.
18:03 < sir_lewk> one of the sniper guys?
18:03 < sir_lewk> cool
18:04 <@Andy_J> DSP_pda: so how is the whole getting out thing going? That was last week wasn't it?
18:04 < DSP_pda> 500+ sniper kills, <100 days.
18:04 <+kirsk> he camped though
18:04 < sir_lewk> shiiiiiit
18:04 < DSP_pda> yes, Andy_J.
18:04 <@Andy_J> YOU ARE FREE!
18:04 < DSP_pda> flight's going to be sometime tomorrow.
18:04 < Damakaru> Back to keyboard lessons.
18:04 < DSP_pda> sir_lewk: see?
18:04 <@Andy_J> I assume you've been drunk almost nonstop >_>
18:04 < sir_lewk> camping is legit, finland is cold! :P
18:04 < DSP_pda> badass.
18:04 < Damakaru> *Goes.*
18:04 < DSP_pda> not really Andy_J.
18:05 <@E-J> finland isn't cold
18:05 <@Andy_J> wut.
18:05 < DSP_pda> lost my jacket on new years.
18:05 <@E-J> there is +3C or something like that
18:05 < DSP_pda> haven't drank since.
18:05 < sir_lewk> oh, oh well
18:05 <@mokomull> Are they related?
18:05 <@Andy_J> UNPOSSIBLE
18:05 < sir_lewk> I've never been
18:05 <@E-J> DSP_pda: you maybe read about simo häyhä?
18:05 < DSP_pda> POSSIBLE AND TROOF
18:05 < DSP_pda> yeah him.
18:05 < sir_lewk> why do you need a jacket to drink?
18:05 < DSP_pda> i think.
18:06 < DSP_pda> i don't.
18:06 < DSP_pda> i lost my jacket because i was shmammered.
18:06 < sir_lewk> seems not having a jacket would encourage *more* drinking...
18:06 < DSP_pda> nope.
18:06 < DSP_pda> not when my jacket had my ID in it.
18:07 < DSP_pda> without which it is slightly difficult to obtain alcohol.
18:07 < sir_lewk> ohshit
18:07 <@E-J> sir_lewk: and finally, most big channels (100-300 people or more) banned people who used utf-8, i don't know if they do it still, but 2-3 years ago
18:07 <@Andy_J> well don't drink so much <_<
18:07 < DSP_pda> got it back, but new years was horrible.
18:07 < sir_lewk> DSP_pda: just don't shave
18:07 < DSP_pda> i fell asleep in the shower.
18:07 < sir_lewk> E-J: hmm, that seems a bit extreme
18:07 < DSP_pda> sitting down.
18:07 < DSP_pda> so i havent drank since.
18:07 <+kirsk> what fun things did you do
18:08 < DSP_pda> brb, doing stuff.
18:08 <@E-J> irc was invented in finland so people here are little extreme on things that make them change things they are used to do years
18:10 < DSP_pda> well, historically speaking aren't Finnish people stubborn to change?
18:10 < DSP_pda> or did i misread something somewhere?
18:10 < sir_lewk> what country has lutefisk?
18:10 < sir_lewk> that stuff looks good
18:13 < i_c-Y> i think lutefisk is pretty much any nordic country
18:13 < i_c-Y> probably the swedes and norwegians
18:13 < i_c-Y> i think the jews like it too
18:13 < sir_lewk> hmm, really/
18:13 < sir_lewk> ?
18:13 < sir_lewk> jewish food is pretty good
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18:14 < sir_lewk> <3 Kosher Delis :)
18:14 < i_c-Y> jews like lox too.
18:14 < sir_lewk> despite the disturbing lack of port ;P
18:14 < sir_lewk> pork even
18:15 <@E-J> sir_lewk: lutefisk is christmas food
18:15 <@E-J> some people eat it here but tradition from sweden so mostly swedish speaking finns eat that
18:17 <@E-J> according to wikipedia, also norwegians eat that
18:20 < sir_lewk> it looks tastey I think
18:21 <@E-J> i wouldn't say so :)
18:22 < sir_lewk> I hear it tastes awful and has a dreadful texture, I dunno though
18:22 < sir_lewk> looks like white flavorful goodness to me
18:24 <@E-J> it smells awful and because of it's name "lye fish" which isn't name that you would say tastefull
18:24 <@E-J> its*
18:24 < Damakaru> *Sigh.*
18:25 < i_c-Y> ?
18:26 < Damakaru> I so never badly want to look at keys before.
18:27 < sir_lewk> well, it is fish cured in lye ;)
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18:27 <@E-J> how about conversation with your english teacher
18:28 < sir_lewk> hmm?
18:29 < Damakaru> I know, bad grammar, but less to type.
18:29 < i_c-Y> look at keys?
18:30 <@E-J> sir_lewk: damn, because of you, i looked little more wikipedia and now i like to have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_pasties these
18:31 < Damakaru> (Hunt-and-peck typing.)
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18:32 <@chronomex> is it just me or does ticalc.org not respond?
18:32 <@chronomex> to http that is
18:32 < sir_lewk> mmmmh, looks tastey
18:32 < sir_lewk> no, it's fine for me
18:32 < sir_lewk> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/14/144/144591.html
18:32 < sir_lewk> volia
18:32 < Damakaru> Fine,
18:32 <@chronomex> weird
18:33 <@chronomex> something's wrong with my tubes here
18:33 < Damakaru> Dgano Gel.
18:33 <@chronomex> ummmm yeah
18:33 < Damakaru> * Drano
18:33 < sir_lewk> Draaaaaaaainoooooooo
18:36 < sir_lewk> man, I have a ton of $1 bills
18:36 < sir_lewk> ...13 of them
18:36 < sir_lewk> nice, I'm going to lunch
18:36 <@chronomex> that's nowhere near a ton :P
18:36 < Damakaru> Need 987 more.
18:37 <@chronomex> still not a ton
18:37 < Damakaru> And 1000.
18:38 < Damakaru> You gave me no chance to finish. :P
18:38 <@chronomex> $2000 != 1 ton of money
18:40 < leofox> maybe if you change it to pennies you can fill a ton
18:41 < i_c-Y> works, chronomex 
18:41 <@chronomex> yeah, I know now
18:41 < i_c-Y> looks like kkk feels threatened
18:41 <@chronomex> I can't connect to anything off-campus with a web browser
18:41 < Damakaru> Real ton is ~908k.
18:41 <@chronomex> wtf is going on?
18:41 < i_c-Y> also what is this
18:42 < leofox> a ton is 35 cubic feet
18:42 < i_c-Y> there have been 4+ friggin posts in the past month
18:42 < i_c-Y> chronomex: check yo dns or run a tracert?
18:42 <@chronomex> i_c-Y: I can ssh into the machine just fine
18:43 < i_c-Y> clear yo browser settings
18:43 <@chronomex> I can't connect from any browser, or from telnet
18:43 < i_c-Y> pull the plug on yo computer
18:43 <@chronomex> it's fucking weird
18:43 <@chronomex> brb switching machines
18:43 < i_c-Y> bust a cap in yo pc
18:43 < Damakaru> http://www.ticalc.org/about/staff/nikkys.html - looks like dude in dorm that got caught.
18:44 < Damakaru> Same sunglasses and grin.
18:45 < leofox> the one that was fapping
18:45 < leofox> ?
18:45 < leofox> and didnt you say everyone in your dorm was black
18:45 < Damakaru> Yes, him.
18:46 < Damakaru> Not all.
18:46 < leofox> the fapperman was white?
18:46 < Damakaru> Yes.
18:48 < _Digital> sweet
18:48 < _Digital> ~90 bucks dropped off my car insurrance premium for my next bill
18:48 < Damakaru> *Head tilt.*
18:48 < Damakaru> GEICO?
18:48 < i_c-Y> _Digital: is it allstate?
18:48 < _Digital> no, esurance
18:48 < leofox> oh that reminds me
18:48 < leofox> i have to pay some bills
18:49 < Damakaru> So weird typing on one hand.
18:49 < i_c-Y> stop whacking off then
18:50 < i_c-Y> and use two
18:50 < i_c-Y> or learn how to type one handed quickly
18:50 < Damakaru> *Facepalm.*  No, DVORAK lessons.
18:50 < DSP_pda> _Digital.
18:51 < i_c-Y> woah, its a DSP_pda and a _Digital ! there's not something we see too often.
18:51 < DSP_pda> olol
18:51 < Damakaru> Don't get the joke.
18:52 < i_c-Y> tisk tisk, Damakaru , always looking for meaning in life
18:52 < i_c-Y> maybe life has no meaning
18:52 < i_c-Y> just a series of bad decisions
18:52 < i_c-Y> leading to a terrible end
18:53 < Damakaru> That's how I'm here.
18:56 < Damakaru> Mother + some dude I didn't meet 'til last year == me.
18:57 < DSP_pda> awesome.
18:58 < _Digital> hey DSP_pda, about time you got your ass back online
18:59 < DSP_pda> i have NO idea what you're talking about.
18:59 < _Digital> we don't either
18:59 < _Digital> anyhow,
18:59 < _Digital> I need to stop by frys on my way to work
18:59 < DSP_pda> none whatsoever.
18:59 < _Digital> catch you gents later
19:00 < _Digital> if that term can be used for half of you in here...
19:00 < DSP_pda> bye.
19:00 < DSP_pda> no u.
19:00 < _Digital> bai
19:00 < _Digital> stfu
19:00 < DSP_pda> bai
19:00 < DSP_pda> NO U
19:01  * _Digital stabs DSP_pda repeatably and runs away 
19:01 < DSP_pda> OY
19:02  * DSP_pda grabs his... owait
19:02 < DSP_pda> no more M1k
19:02 < DSP_pda> M16, even.
19:02 < DSP_pda> dammit, now i'll have to resort to pitchforks and such.
19:02 < sir_lewk> M1000 ftw
19:04 <@E-J> rk-62 ftw
19:06 < Ox40Work> omnomnomnomnom
19:06 < sir_lewk> cookies ftw
19:12 < Damakaru> Cookies where.
19:13 < Damakaru> ..ar they?
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19:20  * Milyardo must now decide between tomato and dd-wrt
19:20 < Milyardo> choices choices choices
19:20 <@chronomex> watermelon
19:20 <@chronomex> er, tomato
19:21 < Milyardo> Mayb one of they square japanese ones would fit into my FLASH ROM
19:22 < i_c-Y> tomato
19:22 <@chronomex> hmmm maybe
19:22 < i_c-Y> dd-wrt occasionally bugs out and its annoying when it does.
19:26 < Milyardo> http://imagebin.org/35606
19:26 <@chronomex> hah, cute
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19:29 < DSP_pda> lolwut @ topic.
19:29 <+kirsk> http://www.99chan.org/hr/src/122629137894.png
19:30 < DSP_pda> no.
19:31 < i_c-Y> !t Welcome to the TCPA | http://tcpa.calcg.org
19:31 -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to the TCPA | http://tcpa.calcg.org
19:31 <@chronomex> kirsk: sfw?
19:31 <@chronomex> okay, haha
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19:42 < Ox40Work> I'm goin down down baby, cruise (something ) on the (something)
19:42 < Ox40Work> (something something) baby, come on and (something)
19:42 <@chronomex> yeah (something) sounds (something)
19:43 <@E-J> that's that lallatilaa-song?
19:43 < Damakaru> Aphex Twin.
19:44 < Damakaru> Run through a logamarhythic spectral analyzer.
19:45 < Damakaru> * logarithmic
19:46 < Milyardo> ewwew
19:46 <+kirsk> i think i should become a psychedelic drug dealer
19:46 < Milyardo> Tomato ha telnet on by default?
19:46 <+kirsk> fulltime jobs suck and are boring
19:48 < Damakaru> Wow at how fast it is to get better at typing this way.
19:49 < Damakaru> I can already pull off ten to twenty words a minute, now.
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20:02 < Ox40Work> Damakaru: what setup? Dvorak?
20:05 < Damakaru> *Nod.*
20:06 < Ox40Work> *nod*
20:15 <+prime_> kirsk: i support that
20:25 < Damakaru> Yay, it's official:  MySQL upgrade == no more Amarok.
20:26 < i_c-Y> ?
20:29 < Damakaru> MySQL upgrade breaks Amarok compiles (the "-fPIC" thing no longer works).  And there's no PKGBUILD to downgrade.
20:29 <@mokomull> Damakaru: If you're building Amarok, just do it without mysql; it'll still use sqlite.
20:32 < i_c-Y> or just dont use amarok. problem solved.
20:32 <@E-J> amarok is superb
20:32 < Damakaru> mokomull:  Even 2.0?
20:33 < i_c-Y> Damakaru: sure, why not?
20:34 < sir_lewk> amarok is superb, and I thought they got rid of sqlite in 2.0
20:34 < i_c-Y> hm
20:34 < sir_lewk> does amarok have a dev channel?  is there some way to ask the devs?
20:34 < i_c-Y> nvm
20:35 < i_c-Y> looks like there isnt any more sqlite
20:35 < sir_lewk> yeah
20:36 < sir_lewk> I'm not sure how you add media files to the collection anymore with Amarok 2, I've just been puting them in the directory by hand and telling amarok to rescan
20:36 < i_c-Y> Damakaru: are you sure that your mysql was built with --with-embeded-server ?
20:36 < Damakaru> *Checks PKGBUILD...*
20:37 < Damakaru> Has "--with-embedded-server" and "--with-fPIC".
20:41 < i_c-Y> mysql is the latest and you got it from abs?
20:41 <@mokomull> Damakaru: What are you building this on?
20:42 < Damakaru> Arch.
20:43 < Damakaru> And, yes.
20:43 < sir_lewk> I should try out Arch sometime
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20:46 <@E-J> sir_lewk: at least on that windows version it works same as in amarok 1
20:46 < i_c-Y> Damakaru: pastebin your pkgbuild for mysql
20:46 <@E-J> though that windows version won't play songs from lib for some reason
20:46 < sir_lewk> I'll need to look into it then
20:47 < Damakaru> i_c-Y: http://arch.pastebin.com/de6abb33
20:49 < i_c-Y> hm
20:50 < i_c-Y> maybe add an export CFLAGS "${CFLAGS} -fPIC" and a  export CXXFLAGS "${CFLAGS} -fPIC" beofre the configure line?
20:50 < Milyardo> lulz mySQL for Aramarok?
20:50 <@mokomull> Milyardo: It uses it to store information about your Collection
20:50 <@Andy_J> sure, for the library information
20:50 < sir_lewk> Amarok has used database stuff since like forever
20:51 < Milyardo> thats what sqlite if for
20:51 <@Andy_J> if you're already using mysql for other stuff, you might as well use it
20:51 < sir_lewk> yeah
20:51 <@mokomull> sqlite isn't nearly powerful enough
20:51 <@mokomull> It can't do indexes, etc.  And its only datatype is "string"
20:51 < Milyardo> I guess if you wanted to maintain a consistent database for multiple machine you'd use mySQL
20:51 < Milyardo> >.>
20:52 < sir_lewk> sqlite sounds fun.
20:52 < sir_lewk> where can I learn it?
20:53 <@mokomull> sir_lewk: sqlite is a library that implements a very small subset or SQL
20:53 <@mokomull> of*
20:53 < sir_lewk> yeah
20:54 < sir_lewk> sounds perfect for spacehack though
20:54 <@mokomull> If you want to use it, you can jfgi
20:54 <@mokomull> :)
20:54 < sir_lewk> for serialization or whatev
20:54 < sir_lewk> jfgi?
20:54 < i_c-Y> Damakaru: any luck with that?
20:54 <@mokomull> justfuckinggoogleit
20:54 < Damakaru> Just Fucking Google It
20:54 < sir_lewk> oh
20:54 < sir_lewk> :)
20:54 <@mokomull> Damakaru knows that one well :D
20:54 <@E-J> you could have googled it
20:55 < sir_lewk> just fucking google jfgi? xD
20:55 <@Andy_J> ^
20:55 < Damakaru> i_c-Y:  Compiling...
20:56 < sir_lewk> I am sleep deprived
20:56 < sir_lewk> I'm probably not safe to drive home in an hour...
20:57 < Ox40Work> gah, im working with a grid...
20:57 < Ox40Work> and I just want to be able to run a SQL query on it...
20:57 < Ox40Work> but their interface is so primitive
20:58 < Ox40Work> I need to "SELECT * FROM `pip` AS `p` WHERE p.`beginning_qty` = p.`total_counted`/2"
20:58 < Ox40Work> or "SELECT * FROM `pip` AS `p` WHERE p.`beginning_qty` = p.`variance`"
20:59 < i_c-Y> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whateverdrivethesqldatabaseisstoredon
20:59 < i_c-Y> problem solved.
21:00 <@Andy_J> why are you being so inconsistent with the backticks?
21:00 < sir_lewk> yes.  listen to the smart i_c-Y.
21:02 < Damakaru> For extra speed, add, "bs=2M"
21:02 < i_c-Y> Damakaru: also, you may need to add -PIC andor -DPIC flags t othat export lines i gave . see if it works though
21:07 < Damakaru> Moment of truth time...
21:09 < Damakaru> ...Passed!
21:09 < sir_lewk> it built?
21:09 < Damakaru> Yep.
21:09 < sir_lewk> that was fast
21:10 < Damakaru> Ccache.
21:10 < sir_lewk> ah, cheater ;P
21:21 < Damakaru> Next, to figure out the volume issue...  :P
21:23 < i_c-Y> Damakaru: i win.
21:23 < i_c-Y> you suck.
21:26 < Damakaru> In that case you can opt to be the new maintainer.  :)
21:27 < Damakaru> "For just a few minutes a month, you can adopt a cold and lonely orphaned package."
21:27 < i_c-Y> nothx
21:28 < i_c-Y> cause lunix is for losers.
21:28 <@E-J> lunix is for c64-users
21:28 < i_c-Y> and my vm just crashed.
21:35 < sir_lewk> cawks
21:35 < sir_lewk> coffee machine is out
21:36 <@E-J> bring it back in then
21:36 < sir_lewk> and the soda machine sold me a fanta instead of sunkist
21:36 < sir_lewk> E-J: har har :P
21:36 < sir_lewk> I have no caffiene, I don't really trust myself to drive home right now
21:40 < Ox40Work> YAY 
21:41 < sir_lewk> mmhm
21:42 < i_c-Y> sir_lewk: thats why you should keep a few amphetamines in your pocket
21:43 < i_c-Y> at all times
21:43 < i_c-Y> and some vicodin just in case
21:45 < Damakaru> Designated driver.
21:45 < sir_lewk> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2009/01/12.html
21:45 < sir_lewk> yeah
21:45 < sir_lewk> Damakaru: I'm tired, not drunk
21:45 < sir_lewk> couldn't sleep last night
21:52 <@E-J> in estonia there was some energy drink sold in alcohol store called traffic energy
21:52 <@E-J> "drink & drive"
21:56 < sir_lewk> haha
22:00 <@Nikky> Kevin Kofler is by far the biggest ass around
22:01 <+prime_> except he gets stuff done
22:01 <@Nikky> chronomex: ticalc has been processing a whole bunch of stuff for a while
22:01 <@Nikky> prime_: No, he doesn't.
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22:02 <+prime_> hw3patch, ghostbuster...
22:03 < leofox> KKKofler really is an ass
22:04 < ports-> zoinks
22:06 < leofox> hey tcpa
22:06 < leofox> how ar eyou today
22:06 < sir_lewk> Kofler is a hella good programmer
22:07 <@Nikky> With absolutely no social skills at all.
22:07 < leofox> I could care less, he's a dick
22:07 < sir_lewk> meh
22:07 <@Nikky> He makes MV look like a saint.
22:07 < leofox> besides, ive never even used anything he made
22:07 < sir_lewk> I've never had an issue with him
22:07 < leofox> hehe MV
22:08 < sir_lewk> but we've hat this discussion before...
22:08 < leofox> I like MVs stance on swearing
22:08 < leofox> gives me a reason to keep autorejoin on
22:08 < sir_lewk> I just found my grandfather's memoirs online
22:09 < sir_lewk> I think it's kind of odd that I'll probably never go as far in CS as he has :S
22:09 < ports-> who is a dick
22:10 < ports-> who is kofler
22:10 < leofox> ports- some 89 guy
22:10 < ports-> is he related to brandonw?
22:10 < ports-> because BW can be a huge tool..
22:10 <@Nikky> A Fedora using, America hating, Eurodick.
22:10 < ports-> BW would be nicer if he just got sex
22:10 <@Nikky> Who hates french people.
22:10 < leofox> ive never had trouble with bw
22:10 < leofox> Nikky everyone hates french people
22:10 < ports-> leofox:  tell him he needs to get laid.. itll set him off
22:11 < leofox> lol ports
22:11 < leofox> that would be hypocrite of me
22:11 < ports-> im good at pushing peoples buttons
22:11 < sir_lewk> I've never had any issues with any of these so called dicks...
22:11 < sir_lewk> perhaps I'm likable
22:11 < sir_lewk> :)
22:11 < ports-> sir_lewk:  its hard to have trouble with a dick in your mouth
22:11 <@Nikky> Perhaps because you bend over and take it, sir_lewk.
22:11 < sir_lewk> eat shit
22:11 < ports-> Nikky:  ^5 same train of thought
22:13 < sir_lewk> fuck, work was over 13 minutes ago
22:13 <@Nikky> fail
22:13 < ports-> heh
22:14 < ports-> i fell asleep while waiting for something to freeze.. it was like a 20 minute power nap
22:14 < ports-> and i got caught.. but the guy was nice enough not to wake me up or even bring it up.
22:14 < sir_lewk> fail
22:14 < ports-> yeah
22:14 < ports-> ive been up since 4am though
22:14 < sir_lewk> you have to point your head at your screen and make a "thinking pose" before napping
22:15 < sir_lewk> yeah, I slept like shit last night
22:15 < ports-> i was in an empty, quiet, warm chemistry lab.. just waiting for something to freeze to -15C
22:15  * sir_lewk out
22:15 < ports-> i had to drive 3 hours to get to work
22:15 < bsparks> http://www.geekologie.com/2007/12/worlds_highest_tennis_court_is.php old, but still
22:15 < sir_lewk> eww
22:17 < bsparks> all you need to watch is the end of that vid
22:22 < ports-> eww
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22:23 <@efneTI92> [Netham45] Narf!
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22:45 < Damakaru> Ack, no normalization.
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22:50 <@Nikky> bsparks: that video player is utter fail
22:51 <@Nikky> why the hell do people still use flv
22:51 <@Nikky> damn
22:51 < i_c-Y> damn it jewtube!
22:51 < Ox40Work> Do you like the updated website? https://www.tennieshardware.com/
22:51 <@Nikky> Do you sell tennis equipment?
22:52 < leofox> http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3236
22:52 < leofox> win7 vs vista vs winxp
22:53 < leofox> guess what, windows 7 is faster nearly everywhere]
22:53 <@E-J> is there any software for it
22:53 < leofox> most stuff works
22:54 < leofox> the compatibility gap with vista is smaller than between vista and xp
22:54 < i_c-Y> thats because windows 7 is mostly vista.
22:54 < leofox> I couldnt get stepmania to work and some media programs are unstable
22:55 < leofox> (including windows media!)
22:55 < leofox> but i didnt have any other problems
22:55 < Tari> Ox40Work, it needs a little more/variable spacing between item titles and descriptions
22:55 < leofox> i_c-Y it's a helluva lot faster
22:55 < leofox> it's like they left only the good things there
22:55 <@Nikky> Windows sucks.
22:55 < Tari> when the item title goes to a third line, it overlaps the description a bit
22:56 < incubus> Nikky, :(
22:57 < ports-> bitches and hoes
22:57 < Ox40Work> Tari: yeah, I noticed that
22:57 < ports-> Win7 is pretty nice so far
22:57 < ports-> ive never had menus in an emulated OS pop up quickly in vmware
22:58 < i_c-Y> that site is garbage, Ox40Work 
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22:58 < i_c-Y> what was it, designed by a caveman?
22:58 < Tari> hmm
22:58 < Tari> I shouldn't have done that
22:58 < i_c-Y> who just learned that httpd's exist?
22:59 < Tari> I set calc.exe to work doing 1000000!
22:59 < i_c-Y> try rendering it in opera
22:59 <@E-J> hopefully they won't do same mistake with that 7 what they did by vista and make 100 different versions
22:59 <@Nikky> Opera 10 alpha crashed for me on that site
23:00 <@Nikky> and the text is all off in fireshit
23:00 <@E-J> seamonkey 2.0 alpha didn't
23:00 <@Nikky> that moving category expansion thing is annoying
23:01 <@E-J> at least not yet
23:01 <@Nikky> nice http://www.tennieshardware.com/content/4-about-us
23:01 < i_c-Y> didnt crash for me. 
23:01 <@E-J> and crashed
23:01 < i_c-Y> Tari: if you use Stirling Approximation it calculates pretty quikly
23:01 < Ox40Work> wINDOWS 7 IS AWESOME
23:01 < Tari> yeah, googling just showed me that
23:02 < Tari> I'll just say roughly 8x10^550000
23:02 < Ox40Work> i_c-Y: BOOOO
23:02 < i_c-Y> 8.263931688331240*10^5565708
23:02 < i_c-Y> (its slightly more complicated when you want to use it for the Gamma function though)
23:02 <@chronomex> Nikky: running the queue, changing the copyright dates?
23:03 <@Nikky> Could be.
23:03 <@Nikky> Most of is the news script
23:03 <@Nikky> you could always look yourself
23:03 <@Nikky> ever hear of "top"?
23:04 < Ox40Work> Nikky: YEAH, I just installed the new version and it has a new CMS built in that I have not worked with yet.
23:05 < Ox40Work> (Read above as "screw you".)
23:05 <@Nikky> So did you make more than 5 online sales in the past 30 days?
23:06 < Ox40Work> jup
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23:06 < Ox40Work> 6 :)
23:06 < Ox40Work> 3:00?
23:06 < Ox40Work> boooo
23:06 < Ox40Work> Ah, 5:06. Perfect.
23:06 < i_c-Y> why would they buy from the website? why dont you open a ebay/amazon store instead?
23:07 < Ox40Work> i_c-Y: because ebay/amazon charge a fee
23:07 < Ox40Work> And this is better :)
23:07 <@Nikky> Because that would be work
23:07 <@Nikky> and he wouldn't get to use horrible looking CMSs
23:07 < Ox40Work> Nikky: If you don't think it took work to set up this site, seriously, you can fuck yourself.
23:07 <@Nikky> Data entry is really hard.
23:07 < i_c-Y> and he'd get more sales, but thats besides the point, right Nikky ?
23:07 < Ox40Work> i_c-Y: My boss is cheap ;)
23:07 <@Nikky> i_c-Y: Yeah, who cares about sales.
23:08 <@Nikky> Your boss is a moron.
23:08 < Ox40Work> Fees like that, he wouldnt go for it.
23:08 < i_c-Y> Ox40Work: who is going to trust tennieshardware.com or encounter it?
23:08 < Ox40Work> Nikky: agreed.
23:08 < Ox40Work> i_c-Y: advertising is goign to start soon....
23:08 < Ox40Work> Who wouldnt trust tennieshardware.com
23:08 < Ox40Work> ?
23:08 < Ox40Work> :)
23:08 <@Nikky> If I were to buy hardware--which I wouldn't--I'd go to amazon.
23:08 < Ox40Work> We dont _sell_ hardware.
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23:09 < Ox40Work> Bleh, see ya later
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23:09  * Nikky scratches head
23:09 <@chronomex> 15:03:49 <@Nikky> ever hear of "top"?
23:09 <@chronomex> yeah, I have
23:09 <@Nikky> Aren't they called Tennies Hardware?
23:09 <@E-J> yes
23:09 <@Nikky> chronomex: Well, you always yell at me when I ask something like that.
23:09 <@Nikky> So I decided to return the favor. :)
23:09 <@chronomex> :( I'm sorry
23:10 <@Nikky> I hear your classes are super kewl.
23:10 <@chronomex> bunch of CGI scripts are at the top of usage
23:10 <@chronomex> yeah, I heard so too
23:10 <@chronomex> six instances of news_subcom.cgi :O
23:10 <@chronomex> another six of login.cgi
23:10 <@Nikky> yeah
23:11 <@Nikky> I suspect commies.
23:11 <@chronomex> me too
23:11 <@Nikky> long life to the ticalc archives
23:11  * chronomex nods vigorously
23:12 <@Nikky> actuall, I think the quote was "long live to ticalc archives"
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23:14 <@efneTI92> [Netham46] Narf!
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23:15 < Speler> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
23:16 < metagross> yo!
23:16 < _Auron_> wow
23:16 < _Auron_> I tried to type something and failed.
23:16 < Speler> ?
23:17 < _Auron_> tried to type yo yo dawg and instead I type yi yi drag
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23:17 < metagross> i once typed something out with every key to the right and didnt notice >_<
23:17 <@chronomex> hah
23:18 < Speler> Lol
23:18 < metagross> jru ejsy i[
23:18 <@chronomex> I heard about once when that happened to the guy typing the final script on NPR
23:18 < metagross> ^^^ hey whats up
23:18 < metagross> but what i typed was much longer, i dont really remember :/
23:22 <@chronomex> Nikky: 81.208.36.88 is crawlying the site something awful
23:24 <@chronomex> they fetched robots.txt and then summarily ignored it
23:24 <@chronomex> sending useragent "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT 4.0)"
23:27 < i_c-Y> that's ox40
23:28 <@chronomex> why am I not surprised
23:32 <@Nikky> I figured it was a crawler
23:32 <@Nikky> but didn't really feel like checking
23:34 <+kirsk> lulz
23:38 < leofox> Speler i'm not surprised that soy is feminizing
23:38 < leofox> the stereotypical use of soy is the soy milk latte
23:38 < Speler> :P
23:39 < leofox> ordered by the metrosexual mac-user with a neatly trimmed ringbeard and a craving for cock
23:39 < Speler> I dunno, I just find the authors tone really funny
23:39 <@Nikky> I love soy
23:39 < Speler> I like tofu
23:39 < Speler> :D
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23:40 < Speler> Later
23:50 <+kirsk> soy increases girl hormone production (in men and women) or something like that lulz
23:54 < _Auron_> lmfao
23:54 < _Auron_> "Looks like you made a new friend" - "I'm making progress" *in the background, unrelated to the conversation but funny anyways* "not really!"
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