--- Log opened Wed Jan 07 00:00:07 2009
00:00 <+kirsk> yeah i guess
00:01 < |ReDeEm|> Hey, someone should make a website that lets you watch tv series episode-by-episode
00:01 < |ReDeEm|> but, including the original commercials.
00:01 < |ReDeEm|> Legal, yep. Awesome, yep.
00:01 <+kirsk> eww commercials D:
00:02 < |ReDeEm|> but, it would be something that would always work ;)
00:02 <+kirsk> thats one of the biggest reasons i dont watch series on tv in the first place
00:02 <+kirsk> usenet always works :D
00:02 < |ReDeEm|> kirsk: and I am always broke ;)
00:02 <+kirsk> also enjoy streaming 720/1080p content D:
00:03 < |ReDeEm|> where?!
00:03 < Damakaru> Too bad there is no (legal,) free way to do that here...
00:03 < Damakaru> (Or is there?)
00:03 <+kirsk> huh? I just installed an app and it isnt there
00:04 < |ReDeEm|> kirsk: usenet, free?
00:04 <+kirsk> meh there are free trials
00:05 <+kirsk> couple of $ a month wont hurt if you look at the profits from MENTAL CLARITY due to a lack of commercials bombarding you
00:05 < |ReDeEm|> :P
00:06 < |ReDeEm|> Oh noes! I just ate the last of the fish-sticks!
00:06 < _Auron_> oh good
00:06 < _Auron_> a torrent that has all the useful homebrew WITH INSTRUCTIONS
00:06 < _Auron_> thank god
00:06 <+kirsk> yay
00:07 < _Auron_> like seriously, not a single app I got told me where to put it (under \apps\ on the SD card)
00:07 < _Auron_> or what it does, just version updates and disclaimers
00:07 < _Auron_> kindof annoying
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00:20 <@efneTI92> [Storm\_] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
00:22 < sir_lewk> there are free news servers, they're just limited to text only
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00:30 < _Auron_> ....
00:30 < _Auron_> this wii is being difficult
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00:40 <@efneTI92> [Dauron] We called it Sin.
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00:41 < millinao> I now rank torrent sites on whether or not it can get me a CD of bartok's rumanian dances
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00:42 <@efneTI92> [Storm\_] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
00:46 < chronomex> that's a good way to rank them
00:47 < millinao> so far my results have been non-existant :(
00:48 < chronomex> aw
00:48 < Tari> hmm
00:48 < Tari> I need to update xbmc on my xbox
00:49 < Tari> haven't updated since before they started developing for other platforms
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00:54 < Barrett> muahaha
00:54 < Barrett> I made like $45 in stocks today
00:54 < Barrett> with only $300 invested
00:54 <+kirsk> nice
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00:55 <@efneTI92> [TheStorm] Yes rivereye, it is time to go fishing.
00:55 <+kirsk> how much did you pay per buy/sell?
00:55 < Barrett> 12.99
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00:57 < Barrett> yeah, it's hard with only $300 to make much with that kind of fee, but mostly I'm just doing it for fun
00:57 < Barrett> learning
00:58 < sir_lewk> if you greet someone "cheers", do you say goodbye "jeers"?
00:59 <+kirsk> how much did the fee cost you in total?
00:59 < millinao> for context the best song is the first one here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bartok_-_Romanian_Folk_Dances.ogg
00:59 < Barrett> hold on, let me ask calcbot
01:00 < Barrett> <@CalcBot> 12.99*2 = 25.98
01:00 < sir_lewk> Barrett: who did you buy/sell?
01:00 < Barrett> MSPD
01:00 < Barrett> mindspeed
01:00 < sir_lewk> never heard of them
01:00 < Barrett> small company
01:00 < sir_lewk> gotcha
01:00 < Barrett> with a small and volitile stock price :)
01:00 < sir_lewk> fast money? ;)
01:00 < Barrett> volatile
01:01 < sir_lewk> my IBM and exxon mobile is putting me through college
01:01 < Barrett> I'm hoping it goes back down to 50 cents or so in the new couple weeks
01:02 < Barrett> then I'll put the money back in and hope it goes back up to $1.15
01:02 < Barrett> my original plan was to invest in AMD... and now I'm wishing I had...
01:02 < Barrett> it was at $2 when I was thinking about it
01:03 < Barrett> now it's steadily going up... currently at 2.78
01:03 < Barrett> some people think it'll hit $10 or $20 this year
01:03 < Barrett> but I don't trust that enough to do it...
01:03 < Barrett> unless it goes back down to $2
01:03 < Damakaru> *Hears the keywords, "college," "money;"  is suddenly interested in stock markets.*
01:03 <+kirsk> wont hurt to try amd unless it ends up lower than it is now right
01:04 < Barrett> well, right now it's much higher than it's been for the last couple months
01:04 < Barrett> so there's a very good chance that it'll go down soon
01:04 < Damakaru> (Psh, I bet the moment I bought stock,) I'd lose my money.
01:04 < sir_lewk> AMD and intel always swing back and forth as far as superior products go
01:04 <+kirsk> àh ok
01:05 < Barrett> although the battle isn't very close right now... it's gonna take a lot for AMD to get back in it
01:05 < sir_lewk> I'd call it a safe investment to buy into the buy behind currently
01:05 < sir_lewk> yeah
01:05 < sir_lewk> but they always do
01:05 < Storm|nix> I'd say intel has the better atm but thats just me
01:05 <+kirsk> well its a good idea to monitor a lot of the stocks and look for ones that go up and down continuously then keep buying and selling on those
01:05 < sir_lewk> all kinds of sherman antitrust stuff would rain down upon intel if they killed AMD
01:06 < Barrett> yeah, apple used to do that more or less... went up before christmas then down during the year... but I'd feel dumb owning 2 or 3 shares of a company :)
01:06 < Barrett> although I do currently own 6 shares of Intel
01:06 < sir_lewk> shorting stocks is easier I think, it's pretty easy to say some companies are hurting and are getting worse
01:06 < sir_lewk> you could short some Ford or something
01:07 < Barrett> I bought intel at a very lucky time... I got it for 13.72... which was the price at opening... the price at closing the day before was like $14... and it hasn't gone below 13.72 since
01:07 < sir_lewk> I've only done a trivial amount of trading, my IBM and exxon I've had for a long time, got it from my grandparents
01:07 < Barrett> do they give out good dividends?
01:07 < sir_lewk> IBM yeah
01:07 < sir_lewk> I don't have much exxon but I believe they do to
01:08 < Barrett> I'd love to have enough invested where I could just live off dividends and not worry about the price very much
01:08 < sir_lewk> haha, yeah totally
01:08 < Barrett> intel is very consistent
01:08 < Barrett> they've given one every quarter pretty much
01:08 < Barrett> this year they were all 14 cents
01:08 < Barrett> the year before they were like 12 and 10 cents
01:09 < sir_lewk> I've been investing my ibm back into itself, it, and what I've otherwised saved, is going to get me through the next 4 years of college
01:09 < sir_lewk> plus intern jobs
01:09 < Tari> impressive
01:09 < Tari> how much do you have?
01:09 < sir_lewk> ~50k I think
01:10 < sir_lewk> my grandfather worked for them for years back in the 50s and 60s
01:10 < Tari> schweet
01:10 < Barrett> Intel has given a dividend every quarter except one for the past 16 years
01:10 < sir_lewk> yeah, college is like 40k a year though >.<
01:10 < i_c-Y> like 15 k for me
01:11 < i_c-Y> no tuition, just housing
01:11 < sir_lewk> nice
01:11 < Barrett> my yearly tuition is about $4k
01:11 < Barrett> housing is like $3k
01:11 < Tari> !calc .14*50000
01:11 < sir_lewk> I have maybe 15k a year in scholarships
01:11  * Tari waits
01:11 < sir_lewk> drexel is hella overpriced >.<
01:11  * Tari kicks whichever bot does that
01:11 < sir_lewk> lol
01:11 < i_c-Y> i got full off drexel
01:11 < sir_lewk> I didn't know we had a calc bot
01:12 < sir_lewk> oh yeah?
01:12 < Barrett> <@CalcBot> .14*50000 = 7000.0
01:12 < Tari> yeah
01:12 < Tari> so if they continue paying 14 cent dividends every quarter, you're doing pretty well
01:13 < Barrett> I don't have 50000 shares
01:13 < sir_lewk> yeah
01:13 < Barrett> and IBM isn't the one paying 14 cents
01:13 < Tari> oh right
01:13 < sir_lewk> $50k worth of ibm
01:13 < Tari> I'm confusing things
01:13 < sir_lewk> lol
01:13 < Tari> sigh
01:13 < Barrett> which is what sir_lewk has
01:13 < sir_lewk> mmhm
01:13 < Tari> I'll go finish my homework now
01:13 < sir_lewk> not for long
01:13 < sir_lewk> soon enough I'll be a broke ass college student
01:13 < Barrett> woah
01:14 < Barrett> 50 cents
01:14 < sir_lewk> I'm getting an account at http://blinkenshell.org
01:14 < Barrett> sir_lewk, that ain't bad... except that $50k isn't that many shares
01:14 < sir_lewk> yeah
01:15 < sir_lewk> my grandfather is living off a bunch, rest is split between me and like 8 other cousins
01:15 < sir_lewk> he worked for IBM for years, then became a CS prof
01:15 < Tari> at least this assignment is useful... (resume and cover letter)
01:16 < sir_lewk> cool
01:16 < sir_lewk> resumes are fun
01:16 < Tari> I'm having lots of fun screwing with the formatting
01:16 < sir_lewk> ah :(
01:16 < sir_lewk> use latex :P
01:17 < Tari> I was actually going to
01:17 < chronomex> rubber fetishist.
01:17 < Tari> but I can't very well learn TeX in one day
01:17 < i_c-Y> yes you can
01:17 < Tari> well I didn't want to :)
01:17 < i_c-Y> slacker
01:17 < sir_lewk> "NEVER give your password to anyone, including PayPal employees. Protect yourself against fraudulent websites by opening a new web browser (e.g. Internet Explorer or Netscape) and typing in the PayPal URL every time you log in to your account." LOLnetscape
01:18 < sir_lewk> (from an email from paypal)
01:18 < sir_lewk> I need to learn latex
01:18 < Tari> at least I didn't just find a template somewhere on the internet
01:19 < Barrett> haha, I knew exactly what the point of pasting that was when I read "or Netscape"
01:19 < Tari> mine will be much cooler than everyone else's :)
01:19 < sir_lewk> I always completely exagerate my resumes for classes
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01:19 < sir_lewk> just to blow everyone out of the water
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01:21 < Tari> I also enjoy printing my assignments for this class in monospaced fonts
01:22 < sir_lewk> "I am extremely proficient in over 75 different programming languages including Assembler, B, BCPL, Brainfuck, C, C++, COBOL, D, Fortran, Haskal, Lisp, Java, Javascript, PHP, Perl, Python...
01:23 < Tari> hahaha
01:23 < sir_lewk> actually, my teach got pretty pissed at me putting brainfuck on my resume... ;)
01:23 < Tari> I only included four languages
01:23 < Tari> although kinda 7, since I included 3 varieties of asm
01:24 < Tari> (z80, AVR, x86)
01:24 < Tari> er, 6
01:24 < sir_lewk> I put a bunch into my college application resume but only the ones I like into my job resumes
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01:24 < sir_lewk> C, C++, Perl, Bash Scripting, Expect
01:25 < sir_lewk> Expect actually got me my current job
01:25 < sir_lewk> badass cool language
01:25 < sir_lewk> to bad it's all Tcl-y...
01:25 < Tari> I need to work more on learning Haskell
01:25 < millinao> hahaha
01:26 < millinao> I should put BF on my resume(once I need one)
01:26 < sir_lewk> same
01:26 < Tari> also wow, expect is badass
01:26 < sir_lewk> just put everything you ever touched on your college application resume (if you are using one)
01:26 < _Auron_> hmm maybe it's the ISO
01:26 < sir_lewk> it's not like the college will adapt your coursework for it
01:27 < sir_lewk> yeah, expect is hella useful
01:27 < sir_lewk> not a very nice language, but very powerful
01:28 < i_c-Y> _Auron_: you could use dd to fix your problems
01:28 < millinao> and sirlewk how can you complain that expect is too tcl-y, it's an extension to TCL
01:29 < millinao> also <3 tcl
01:29 < sir_lewk> yeah, I don't like tcl at all
01:29 < sir_lewk> but I like expect for what you can do with it
01:30 < _Auron_> i_c-Y: nah apparently the game I was trying to use needed a patch to work
01:30 < _Auron_> according to a compatibility list
01:31 < sir_lewk> I need to learn how to use this instead of expect: http://sourceforge.net/projects/expectperl
01:31 < Tari> <3 python
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01:31 < Tari> although perl is great for tasks involving regex
01:31 < sir_lewk> yeah
01:31 < Tari> python's regex is really kludgy
01:32 < sir_lewk> I've seen Pexpect demonstrated (python).  it looks better than regular expect
01:32 < sir_lewk> so that's an option too
01:33 < sir_lewk> I'm not really a python guy though, I already know too much perl to have a great incentive to learn python
01:33 < Tari> mmhmm
01:33 < Tari> I only know a little perl
01:34 < Tari> and a similar thing with me and ruby
01:34 < sir_lewk> ruby looks kind of nice
01:34 < millinao> woah expect looks pretty cool
01:34 < Tari> that is, ruby looks nice but doesn't really offer me anything new
01:35 < sir_lewk> true
01:37 < Merthsoft> guys, what game should i make now
01:37 < Merthsoft> something simple
01:37 < chronomex> an origami hat
01:37 < Damakaru> Pacman.
01:37 < Merthsoft> that's
01:37 < Merthsoft> not a game
01:37 < Merthsoft> Pacman is gay
01:37 < Merthsoft> we've been over this
01:38 < Tari> ms pacman?
01:38 < Merthsoft> ALSO GAY
01:38  * Tari ducks
01:38 < Merthsoft> dammit people
01:38 < Tari> radial pong?
01:38 < Damakaru> Turret Defense?
01:39 < millinao> make a physics game
01:39 < millinao> everyone knows they're aren't enough of those
01:39 < millinao> pac man junior?
01:39  * Tari shoots millinao
01:39  * _Auron_ slaps the wii
01:39 < Tari> there, I did the job for you ;)
01:39 < TD-Linux> oh by the way
01:40 < TD-Linux> I hate al franken
01:40 < _Auron_> I have to move :/
01:40  * chronomex presents _Auron_ with a hand-truck
01:40 < millinao> merth make a roguelike
01:41 < Merthsoft> _Auron_: why?
01:41 < millinao> no, you should make a MUD with DND rules
01:41 < Merthsoft> i said something simple
01:41 < millinao> do it
01:41 < Merthsoft> i think i'll make breakout
01:41 < _Auron_> this house got foreclosed
01:41 < millinao> thats simple
01:41 < Merthsoft> that sucks dude
01:41 < Tari> hey, you took what I was going to say
01:41 < _Auron_> so I probably have to move within the next week
01:41 < Damakaru> That was my next sugggestion.
01:41 < millinao> :( _Auron_
01:41 < millinao> haha what tari
01:42 < Tari> the "that sucks", millinao
01:42 < millinao> oh
01:43 < Merthsoft> i need some breakout sprites
01:43 < millinao> make em
01:43 < Merthsoft> you make em
01:43 < _Auron_> Merthsoft: btw I'm not sure how my code's if statements ended up like that
01:43 < Damakaru> Merthsoft:  Internet.
01:43 < _Auron_> but thanks for fixing it
01:43 < sir_lewk> Merthsoft: make a roguelike
01:43 < Merthsoft> _Auron_: i fixed 'em :)
01:43 < _Auron_> I know
01:43 < Merthsoft> sir_lewk: stuff it
01:43 < sir_lewk> like millinao said
01:44 < Merthsoft> Damakaru: looking
01:44 < sir_lewk> no really
01:44 < sir_lewk> roguelikes are fun to make
01:44 < sir_lewk> there's a whole community formed around writing them
01:44 < sir_lewk> just do a 7DRL (7 day roguelike)
01:44 < millinao> I might write one myself
01:44  * Damakaru can't wait for KDE 4.2.
01:45 < sir_lewk> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.development/topics?pli=1
01:45 < sir_lewk> KDE 4.2 looks AMAZING
01:45 < TD-Linux> er
01:45 < TD-Linux> it's bug fixes ?
01:45 < sir_lewk> no, more features too
01:45 < TD-Linux> that would be pretty neat in itself :P
01:45 < TD-Linux> not too many new features
01:45 < TD-Linux> bug fixes mostly :P
01:45 < millinao> someone needs to make a DND MUD
01:46 < Damakaru> I am using the one Mark's KDE SVN repo, and it is totally bitchin'.
01:46 < sir_lewk> I'm not a huge MUD guy
01:46 < millinao> MUDs are fun
01:47 < Merthsoft> MUD > rougelike
01:47 < sir_lewk> no wai
01:47 < millinao> especially the ones that act like a multiplayer roguelike and not some pretentious epic thing
01:47 < Merthsoft> if i'm gonna play something all text-gay-based, i might as well have other people on iot
01:47 < millinao> did you just call roguelikes gay Merthsoft 
01:48 < Merthsoft> no
01:48 < sir_lewk> I like to sit on #nethack and play while other people are
01:48 < millinao> is #nethack on efnet
01:48 < sir_lewk> freenode
01:48 < Merthsoft> nio
01:48 < sir_lewk> nao
01:48 < sir_lewk> `telnet nethack.alt.org`
01:48 < Tari> hehe, I lurk in #nethack too
01:49 < millinao> i like when the high level people die in it
01:49 < sir_lewk> yeah
01:49 < _Auron_> you can make tiles instead of using ASCII for a roguelike y'know
01:49 < sir_lewk> truth
01:49 < sir_lewk> a lot of more modern roguelikes are using SDL for graphics
01:49 < _Auron_> not like your data can't be used in a graphical fashion
01:49 < _Auron_> most people don't because they don't have tiles/don't have skill to make them
01:50 < millinao> lets make a roguelike
01:50 < millinao> all of us
01:51 < millinao> LETS DO IT
01:51 < sir_lewk> I'm already working on one >.>
01:51 < _Auron_> lol
01:51 < millinao> oh yeah
01:51 < millinao> i forgot about that
01:51 < Tari> LET'S ALL HELP WITH SPACEHACK
01:51 < sir_lewk> you're welcome to help though ;P
01:51 < Merthsoft> let's all work on sir_lewk's roguelik
01:51 < sir_lewk> woo
01:51 < Merthsoft> sir_lewk: have a repo?
01:51 < sir_lewk> yeah, sourceforge
01:51 < Tari> it's on google code
01:51 < Tari> orly?
01:51 < millinao> is it in C
01:51 < Tari> did you move?
01:51 < Merthsoft> sir_lewk: what's the svn address
01:52  * sir_lewk checks...
01:52 < Merthsoft> and what language?
01:52 < sir_lewk> C++--
01:52 < _Auron_> ++--?
01:52 < sir_lewk> ie, poorly coded C++
01:52 < Merthsoft> so, uh, c?
01:52 < _Auron_> .. lol
01:52 < Merthsoft> i see
01:52 < sir_lewk> ;)
01:52 < _Auron_> I was thinking that too merth, heh
01:52 < millinao> haha
01:52 < sir_lewk> `svn co https://spacehack.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/spacehack spacehack`
01:52 < Merthsoft> thanks
01:52 < _Auron_> is var++--; even valid? :X
01:53 < Merthsoft> sure
01:53 < millinao> yeah
01:53 < _Auron_> would be useless of course
01:53 < millinao> i'm pretty sure it's undefined though
01:53 < _Auron_> unless you were doing some insane conditional stuff
01:53 < Tari> or even --var++;
01:53 < millinao> something about variables modifying twice in one line
01:53 < _Auron_> lol
01:53 < sir_lewk> I think --var++ is actually undefined
01:53 < Merthsoft> imma make it work with VC++
01:53 < _Auron_> lol
01:53 < sir_lewk> or something like that is undefined I know
01:53 < millinao> --var++ would return var-1 then modify... something
01:53 < sir_lewk> something about something returning a reference or somethign, not really sure
01:54 < millinao> would the ++ go to the --var or just far
01:54 < millinao> *var
01:54 < Tari> with operator precedence, it's (--var;)++;
01:54 < Tari> if you don't mind wierd pseudocode
01:55 < Merthsoft> 79 errors O_o
01:55 < millinao> lol
01:55 < _Auron_> lawd
01:55 < Merthsoft> haha, this use curses?
01:55 < sir_lewk> ah, yes
01:55 < sir_lewk> you'll need ncurses-devel stuff
01:55 < sir_lewk> *nix only
01:55 < Merthsoft> no way
01:55 < Merthsoft> windows port time
01:55 < sir_lewk> I'm looking at a SDL port that'll be more portable
01:56 < millinao> do it in SDL so i can play with it
01:56 < millinao> and I have no idea how source control/svn works at all
01:56 < _Auron_> yar
01:56 < Tari> svn is easy
01:56 < sir_lewk> it may work in cygwin as it is.  *shrugs*
01:56 < _Auron_> svn is indeed easy
01:56 < sir_lewk> svn is cool
01:56 < Tari> checkout, commit when you get something done
01:56 < _Auron_> I've worked with a few projects before
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01:57 < sir_lewk> checkout, work on it, update, merge in your stuff, commit, work on stuff, update, merge in stuff, commit, ...
01:57  * Tari takes this opportunity to plug his large project
01:57 < Tari> if anyone around here still does z80 asm
01:58 < millinao> who was doing that pokemon port for 83s
01:58 < millinao> i think that was tifreak
01:58 < Tari> tifreak
01:58 < i_c-Y> metagross
01:58 < i_c-Y> and tifreak
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01:58 < i_c-Y> they're bothdoing pokestuff
01:58 < Tari> tifreak is doing full pokemon rpg
01:58 < millinao> yeah
01:58 < Merthsoft> Tari: what's your project
01:58 < millinao> i want to see how that's coming along
01:58 < Storm\_> LifOS of course
01:58 < Tari> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lifos/
01:58 < Storm\_> ^
01:59 < Tari> I'm amused by how everyone capitalizes it like that
01:59 < Tari> I always do it as LIFOS
01:59 < millinao> wait its an actual operating system?
01:59 < Tari> but that's why I liked that name
01:59 < Tari> yeah
01:59 < Tari> it doesn't do much right now
01:59 < Tari> I've been slowly working on floating-point math
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02:00 < Tari> but I can create variables in RAM
02:00 <@efneTI92> [Dauron] We called it Sin.
02:01 < Merthsoft> ncurses-devel does not appear to be in cygwin
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02:01 < Dauron> why use platform specific stuff?
02:01 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Netham45] by efneTI85
02:02 < Merthsoft> there it is :)
02:02 < i_c-Y> ncurses isnt platform specific.
02:02 < i_c-Y> its pretty much on every *nix
02:02 < Dauron> ....
02:02 < i_c-Y> (or some sort of curses)
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02:03 <@efneTI92> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
02:03 < Tari_> >.<
02:03 < Tari_> my dad knocked the power switch on the modem
02:03 < Tari_> what did I miss?
02:03 < i_c-Y> everything
02:04 < Storm\_> LOl
02:05 < millinao> you missed us talking about you
02:06 < Tari_> no I didn't
02:06 < Tari_> andy's logs say what happened
02:06 < millinao> ya
02:06 < millinao> oh
02:06 < millinao> :(
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02:06 < Tari_> and it was y'all talking about ncurses
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02:08 < millinao> aww i just started playing a mud
02:08 < millinao> turned out i was the only one on the server
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02:12 < sir_lewk> ncurses is pretty much everything but windows
02:13 < sir_lewk> I'd say that's their fault for not trying to be POSIX like every other OS out there
02:13 < sir_lewk> as I said though, my intention is to do a SDL port that'll be more portable
02:14 < i_c-Y> theres ncurses for windows if you have cygwin. 
02:14 < i_c-Y> and iirc there was a native one for dos
02:14 < i_c-Y> pdcurses works on win32 i know
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02:16 < Damakaru> Is Kevin Koffler on the development team for some Linux distro?
02:16 < i_c-Y> aksnowman: hows the wife and kid?
02:17 < i_c-Y> i think he's on fedora's kde team
02:18 < Damakaru> Oh.  I was looking for something, and accidentally (coincidentally) ran into one of his posts.
02:18 < i_c-Y> hes in the KDE special interests group for fedora
02:18 < BrandonW_> He's too good for us losers.
02:18 < BrandonW_> So that's what he does now.
02:19 < sir_lewk> package maintainer/kde dev
02:20 < Merthsoft> yeah i've got ncurses with cygwin
02:20 < Merthsoft> now i'm just trying to add support with VC++
02:20 < sir_lewk> cool
02:20 < sir_lewk> it just uses make and g++ to build
02:21 < sir_lewk> oh, and it uses the 256 colors extension of xterm
02:21 < i_c-Y> Merthsoft: compiler or IDE?
02:21 < sir_lewk> most every terminal emulator for linux supports it, no clue for windows though
02:21 < Merthsoft> compiler
02:22 < i_c-Y> Merthsoft: do you have to use vc++?
02:22 < Merthsoft> no i choose to
02:22 < sir_lewk> cygwin should let you have gcc, gnu make, and xterm
02:22 < sir_lewk> that'd be your best bet
02:22 < Merthsoft> i mean, it has makefile stuff, it's just not registering where my includes are, because i screwed up the cygwin install
02:23 < i_c-Y> just put your includes in the appropriate directories for your cygwin install and use g++
02:23 < Merthsoft> just let me fix the install
02:23 < i_c-Y> or install icc
02:23 < i_c-Y> and use that with vc++. using the vc++ compiler for this is asking for trouble.
02:23 < Merthsoft> yeah, i'm using make
02:23 < Merthsoft> i mispoke
02:23 < Merthsoft> misspoke*
02:24 < sir_lewk> make just calls gcc in specific ways
02:24 < i_c-Y> not necessarily gcc.
02:24 < sir_lewk> right
02:24 < sir_lewk> you'll have to edit 'Makefile' to change it's behaviour
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02:24 < i_c-Y> not necessarily. a well written makefile will work regardless of the CC .
02:26 < sir_lewk> this is just a quicky makefile I hacked together
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02:26 < Merthsoft> what's X11?
02:27 < sir_lewk> graphical linux shit
02:27 < Merthsoft> neat
02:27 < sir_lewk> the X server is the software that handles windows, displays, that kind of stuff
02:29 < Storm\_> Hmm how well do you think cygin would work for cross compileing a kernal?
02:29 < Storm\_> because My PII is running extreamely sluggish in nix right now and I want to build my own kernal for Wii linux
02:30 < Storm\_> cygwin*
02:31 < sir_lewk> wow, I have no idea
02:31 < sir_lewk> uhm
02:31 < sir_lewk> hell, try it
02:31 < sir_lewk> tell me if it works
02:32 < sir_lewk> seems to me that that should epically fail but I can't really think of a reason that it would
02:32 < Merthsoft> http://tcpa.pastebin.com/m180c495a
02:33 < sir_lewk> ah, that's all the ncurses stuff
02:33 < Merthsoft> yeah
02:33 < Merthsoft> which i have...
02:33 < Merthsoft> it found ncurses.h, clearly
02:33 < Storm\_> Hmm I could try my web server...
02:34 < Tari> if you have a proper gcc-wiiarch-linux-gnu, it should be fine, Storm\_ 
02:34 < sir_lewk> doesn't seem to be linking it or something
02:34 < Storm\_> tari I was planing debian but yeah I could use the arch kernal too
02:34 < Merthsoft> hmm
02:35 < Tari> uh
02:35 < Tari> I meant wiiarch as in [put the wii's architechture here]
02:37 < i_c-Y> powerpc
02:38 < Storm\_> Hh ok
02:38 < Storm\_> ah*
02:39 < Storm\_> but yeah I have all the cross compile instructions in front of me and it isn't like It'll brick my wii if I screw up since the kernal has to run on top of the wii's firmware
02:39 < Merthsoft> hmm, you have -lncurses i dunno why it's not linking
02:39 < i_c-Y> im just going to ignore you from now on, Storm\_ 
02:40 < Storm\_> Why?
02:41 < Storm\_> WTF was that about?
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02:42 < i_c-Y> Merthsoft: lets see what you're doing
02:42 < Merthsoft> you wanna see the makefile?
02:43 < i_c-Y> no, i want to see the inside of your skull plastered on your wall
02:43 < i_c-Y> duh i want to see the makefile.
02:43 < Merthsoft> http://tcpa.pastebin.com/m2c74bcb1
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02:43 < Merthsoft> jesus i_c-Y, you need to chill
02:44 < Merthsoft> this is sir_lewk's make, btw
02:45 < i_c-Y> wheres the actual source?
02:45 < BrandonW_> i_c-Y sucks.
02:45 < i_c-Y> BrandonW_ sucks.
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02:45 < BrandonW> Good thing that guy's not around.
02:45 < Storm\_> lol
02:46 < i_c-Y> I can use my all seeing eye to find him though.
02:46 < i_c-Y> !seen BrandonW_
02:46 <@efneTI86> I found 2 matches to your query (sorted): BrandonW BrandonW_. BrandonW (~calcmaste@75.130.72.232) was last seen changing nicks from BrandonW_ on #tiasm only 30 seconds ago. BrandonW is still there.
02:46 < i_c-Y> ah ha!
02:46 < Merthsoft> for me, or you want to download it and look?
02:46 < i_c-Y> Merthsoft: download and look.
02:47 < i_c-Y> isnt thsi on sf?
02:47 < i_c-Y> i want to try to compile it
02:47 < Merthsoft> i_c-Y: http://sourceforge.net/projects/spacehack/
02:47 < Merthsoft> or https://spacehack.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/spacehack
02:47 < Merthsoft> for svn
02:49 < Tari> speaking of which
02:49 < Tari> !seen tr1p1ea
02:49 <@efneTI86> tr1p1ea (tr1p1ea@121.79.43.84) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 15 hours, 48 minutes ago stating (Ping timeout: 441 seconds).
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02:51 < Merthsoft> sir_lewk: ew int x, y, a, b; //position on map, and old position on map (handy for certain redrawing modes)
02:52 < Merthsoft> why not xOld and yOld
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02:53 < Merthsoft> i hate one-letter variable names
02:54 < Merthsoft> unless they are clear
02:54 <+metagross> sorry. xchat was messign up
02:58 < i_c-Y> hm
02:58 < i_c-Y> i got it to compile but the program just hangs.
02:58 < i_c-Y> maybe i should put a -I
02:59 < Merthsoft> int h(int x1, int y1, int x2, int y2); :(
02:59 < i_c-Y> actually, lemme reinstall something in cygwin
02:59 < Merthsoft> i_c-Y: did you just do make, or did you have to change anyting?
03:00 < i_c-Y> i change line 8 to  g++ $(CPPFLAGS) $(OBJECTS) $(LIBS) , and i added -ltermcap
03:01 <+metagross> anybody here actually use windows readyboost?
03:01 < Tari> I used it for a bit when I had 1 GB RAM in this machine
03:01 < Tari> didn't notice any performance boost
03:02 < Tari> even just starting applications
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03:02 <+metagross> i have 1 GB RAM as well, im not exactly seeing awesome changes, but i guess im really not pushing the machine :/
03:03 <+metagross> it was up to the point im on wikipedia reading what it actually does.
03:04 < Tari> it just uses it for caching apps
03:04 < Tari> just like it uses any RAM which your other apps don't want at the moment
03:05 <+metagross> would it cause a lagging game to lag a little less o_O
03:05 <+metagross> ???
03:05 <+metagross> like Portal, perhaps.
03:05 < Tari> no
03:05 <+metagross> well, then im failing to see the point >_>
03:05 < Tari> mainly it can help things start faster
03:05 <+metagross> oh
03:05 < Tari> IIRC
03:06 < Merthsoft> i get "paging doctor bob"
03:08 < BrandonW> Remember when the platform was sliding into the fire-pit and I was like "Goodbye", and you were like "No way!"...that was great...
03:09 < Merthsoft> sir_lewk: i got it to work i think
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03:10 < i_c-Y> did you get it to compile or to run?
03:10 < Merthsoft> both
03:10 <+metagross> Tari: would it affect page loading on the internet? i may be fooling myself, but it seems to be faster.
03:11 < Merthsoft> sir_lewk: http://merthsoft.calcg.org/spacehack.png
03:11 < Tari> you're probably fooling yourself
03:11 < i_c-Y> youd be fooling yourself. vista scales back surprisingly nicely.
03:11 <+metagross> ah well.
03:12 < Merthsoft> hjkl moves the person, it's weird
03:12 < i_c-Y> hjkl let you move in vi
03:12 < Merthsoft> yeah i know
03:12 < Merthsoft> it's weird
03:13 < Tari> apparently I had a game in progress on nao...
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03:14 < TD-Linux> what do you suppose is the max speed an optical mouse can handle?
03:15 < chronomex> in the tens of inches/sec
03:17 < TD-Linux> hmm
03:18 < TD-Linux> not good
03:18 < TD-Linux> I need it to do 10-20 ft/sec
03:18 < TD-Linux> where can I find mice that do that?
03:18 < TD-Linux> more like 10 most of the tiime
03:18 <+metagross> why?
03:18 < Merthsoft> why?
03:19 < TD-Linux> it's not exactly being used as a mouse
03:19 < chronomex> TD-Linux: with lenses you might be able to
03:19  * metagross imagines running on top of a huge mousepad dragging a mouse
03:19 < TD-Linux> hmm
03:20 < TD-Linux> maybe a gamer mouse?
03:20 <+metagross> maybe a conveyeor belt sort of deal?
03:20 < TD-Linux> I imagine gamers move their mouse at that speed
03:20 < TD-Linux> metagross, it's actually going to be at the bottom of a robot
03:20 < TD-Linux> measuring ground speed
03:20 < TD-Linux> which is used for electronic stability control
03:20 < Merthsoft> you think gamers move their hands 10 ft/sec?
03:20 <+metagross> TD-Linux: Now THAT is interesting.
03:20 < TD-Linux> aka, antislip
03:20 < TD-Linux> Merthsoft: yes
03:20 < Merthsoft> that's fast as shit
03:21 < TD-Linux> I'm sure some do
03:21 < TD-Linux> I suppose I can go buy some cheapies
03:21 < TD-Linux> and test it
03:22 < _Auron_> I went and got -R's
03:22 < TD-Linux> o.O
03:22 < TD-Linux> I found mice with specs!\
03:22 < TD-Linux> Maximum speed: 40 inches/s
03:22 < TD-Linux> garbage
03:22 < chronomex> I need -R's for ... ooh, mice with spectacles?
03:23 < _Auron_> convert to metric!
03:23 < _Auron_> check xkcd for a guide
03:24 < Storm\_> lol
03:25 < Storm\_> ok GccG== installing in CYgwin then I'll be able to build the toolkit
03:25 < Storm\_> GCCG++*
03:34 < aksnowman> i_c-Y: girlfriend, and unborn kid ;)
03:34 < aksnowman> but so far, so good
03:34 < aksnowman> 2 - 3 1/2 weeks left
03:35 < i_c-Y> dont you alaskans do shotgun weddings?
03:36 < aksnowman> hahahaha
03:37 < _Auron_> +R dvds were the issue
03:37 < _Auron_> go with -R
03:39 < sir_lewk> ok folks, time for a little game.
03:39 < millinao> K
03:40 < sir_lewk> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/world/
03:40 < sir_lewk> http://www.drudgereport.com/
03:40 < sir_lewk> compare and contrast.
03:40 < millinao> aww i thought you meant the kind of game that consisted of 30 minutes of writing in numbers on a character sheet
03:40 < sir_lewk> as much as republicans love to support isreal, they'd rather pretend nothing was happening in Gaza
03:41 < sir_lewk> thoughts?
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03:48 < bsparks> ugh, $30 for logmein? :<
03:48 < Merthsoft> daaammit
03:48 < Merthsoft> i was gonna look something up and then forgot
03:50 < i_c-Y> bsparks: theres a free logmein
03:51 < sir_lewk> truthfully, it's hard as shit to actually find out what's going on.
03:51 < sir_lewk> you have to figure, american news and politics is in general *much* more rightwing than much of europes
03:51 < sir_lewk> how much more is being buried or simply not covered because it's not pleasent and back up our biases?
03:51 < bsparks> i_c-Y, not for iPhone/iPod touch
03:51 < bsparks> I'm loking at vnc clients etc
03:52 < bsparks> hmm, maybe I can just use ssh tunneling...
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03:55 < bsparks> woo, ssh'd into my boxen :D
03:57 < bsparks> shit, now I wonder how I set up me box for irc o.o
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04:04 < sir_lewk> blah, non-political #tcpa is non-political
04:04 < Tari> \o/
04:05 < chronomex> someone shot his cat?
04:16 < sir_lewk> suck it up cupcake.
04:16 < chronomex> ,~^~, \_/
04:16 < chronomex> shit
04:16 < chronomex> ,~^~, \_/
04:16 < chronomex> gah
04:17 < chronomex> ,~^~,
04:17 < chronomex>  \_/
04:17 < chronomex> there
04:17 < chronomex> issa cupcake
04:20 < sir_lewk> suck it up
04:22 < i_c-Y> bsparks: screen + irssi
04:22 < i_c-Y> if its on your mac, see fink / macports
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04:23 < bsparks> yeah yeah, I know
04:23 < bsparks> I was just hoping on some fleeting realm that I could just throw my x-chat shit over to a terminal through some magical plugin
04:25 < i_c-Y> you could run xchat through a bnc 
04:27 < bsparks> a what now?
04:27 < sir_lewk>  some sort of complicated shit, just ignore it
04:27 < sir_lewk> screen + irssi is all you need to know
04:27 < chronomex> yes
04:28 < i_c-Y> http://www.psybnc.at/help.html
04:28 < sir_lewk> guys
04:29 < sir_lewk> you guys ever hear of Godspeed You! Black Emperor?
04:29 < i_c-Y> yes
04:29 < sir_lewk> they are pretty amazing
04:30 < Storm\_> Woot my Wii  linux kernel is compiling!!!
04:30 < sir_lewk> cool
04:30 < sir_lewk> is it PPC?
04:30 < _Auron_> ?
04:30 < Storm\_> whoops I mistyped something
04:31 < Storm\_> powerpc
04:31 < Storm\_> but yeah
04:31 < Storm\_> gah I need a new version of binutils
04:34 < sir_lewk> why did nobody tell me that I liked post-rock?
04:34 < sir_lewk> I find these things out too late in life :(
04:34 < chronomex> how old are you again?
04:34 < sir_lewk> 19
04:34 < chronomex> 19 is late in your life?
04:34 < chronomex> maybe you should rethink some of your activities
04:34 < sir_lewk> well
04:34 < chronomex> maybe replace them with less risky things
04:35 < sir_lewk> right now is the last part of my life that I am aware of
04:35 < chronomex> you know, like, jumping off cliffs is a good one to move away from
04:35 < chronomex> etc
04:35 < sir_lewk> all of my life that I have lived is prior to this point in time
04:37 <+metagross> yo, wassup sir_lewk?
04:38 <+metagross> and chronomex o_O
04:39 < chronomex> wassup my homie gee dawg
04:39 < sir_lewk> not too much metagross
04:39 < sir_lewk> listening to some music
04:39 < chronomex> whass be crackin'???
04:39 < sir_lewk> something I should do more often
04:39 <+metagross> chronomex: i visited a potential college today
04:39 < chronomex> metagross: I attended a real college today
04:40 < chronomex> I even bitched at math advisors!
04:40 < chronomex> at least, I tried to
04:40 <+metagross> chronomex: well, i say potential because i may go there >_>
04:40 <+metagross> but it is a real college
04:40 < i_c-Y> what college
04:40 < chronomex> ITT
04:40 <+metagross> HBU, Houston Baptist University
04:41 < i_c-Y> hey, i go there
04:41 <+metagross> yeah, right >_>
04:41 < i_c-Y> its on fondren road.
04:42 < sir_lewk> metagross: what are you thinking about majoring in?
04:42 < i_c-Y> go huskies!
04:42 < i_c-Y> etc.
04:42 <+metagross> you could have learned that from googling it o_O
04:42 < i_c-Y> we're going to get creamed on friday by OSU
04:43 < i_c-Y> how would i have known that one from google?
04:43  * sir_lewk pokes metagross
04:43 < i_c-Y> huh huh? I THINK NOT, metagross !
04:43 <+metagross> sir_lewk: technology, communication, business, mathematics or somesuch, i dunno
04:44 < Storm\_> great so CYGWIN was a lost cause at least for the moment but now that I have my PII comp all updated it should run a little faster so I'm transfering every thing to it and I'll start again
04:44 < Storm\_> pIII*
04:44 <+metagross> i_c-Y: i dunno, I'm very skeptical
04:44 < Speler> Apparently several people here go to my school
04:44 < sir_lewk> what school is that?
04:44 < Speler> Binghamton
04:45 < i_c-Y> who here goes to binghamton?
04:45 < Speler> Kerm lol
04:45 < Speler> And magicdanw
04:45 < i_c-Y> no he doesnt.
04:45 < Speler> Well no, he takes classes there
04:45 < Speler> Over the summer maybe, I forget
04:45 < i_c-Y> he did an REU there.
04:45 < Speler> And one other person
04:45 < Speler> Oh, okay
04:46 < i_c-Y> kerm also goes to houston baptist university
04:46 < Speler> Lulz
04:47 < chronomex> I'd stay away
04:47 < Speler> Plannin on it
04:47 < i_c-Y> just kidding. while i attend the same school as kerm, its not HBU.
04:47 < chronomex> no, you go to SBU
04:48 <+metagross> i thought so. i had just thought of a killer question that only HBU people should answer :P
04:48 <+metagross> but now i can't use it, dangit.
04:48 < i_c-Y> well, lets hear your killer question
04:49 < sir_lewk> yes, lets
04:49 < sir_lewk> also, Nikky goes to BYU
04:50 < sir_lewk> incase anyone was wondering
04:50 < i_c-Y> bringem young university
04:50 <+metagross> what are you supposed to say when you make the 'signal' ?
04:50 < Speler> No
04:50 < Nikky> Go Cougars!
04:50 < i_c-Y> metagross: bitch get me my beer!
04:50 < Nikky> What the hell is Binghamton?
04:50 < i_c-Y> also make me a sandwich
04:50 < sir_lewk> biatch
04:51 < Speler> Nikky, it's a type of sandwich
04:51 < i_c-Y> unless if the signal is to your mom, metagross 
04:51 < Nikky> Oh, okay.
04:51 < i_c-Y> in which case, we cant discuss that here (but i have tapes)
04:51 < Nikky> That makes sense.
04:51 < sir_lewk> anyways metagross, my advice is have some sort of idea of what you want to do before you get too far into college
04:51 < Nikky> I thought you were calling it a collge, lol
04:51 < sir_lewk> and avoid engineering schools, the chicks to guys ratios totally suck
04:51 < i_c-Y> sir_lewk: GASP! you mean you CANT JUST GO TO COLLEGE FOR NOTHING?
04:52 < sir_lewk> well actually, yes.  you can.
04:52 < chronomex> 's sound advice, many people don't follow it anyway
04:52 <+metagross> sir_lewk: chicks to guys ratio at HBU is 7:3 :)
04:52 < sir_lewk> it's call "liberal arts" I believe
04:52 < Nikky> Shut up sir_lewk 
04:52 < i_c-Y> engineering school is the way to go
04:52 < sir_lewk> nice
04:52 < sir_lewk> hahaha
04:52 < chronomex> sir_lewk: you mean rods to slots ratio?
04:52  * chronomex ducks
04:52 < Nikky> liberal arts are what you will call "boss" in the future
04:52 < sir_lewk> engineering schools are total cockblocks
04:52 < sir_lewk> I go to one
04:52 <+metagross> sir_lewk: something to do with a popular nurse training program :/
04:52 < Nikky> compared to you engineering drones
04:52 < chronomex> nurses suck
04:52 < i_c-Y> my cock
04:52 < sir_lewk> HOT
04:52 < Nikky> Engineering is so 20th century.
04:53 < chronomex> so is politics
04:53 < sir_lewk> liberal arts is some leftover 60's major
04:53 < i_c-Y> we need a new generation of PHB's anyway
04:53 < Nikky> Shut up asswipe.
04:53  * chronomex wipes ass with Nikky
04:53 < Nikky> It seems politics are important today too!
04:53 < Nikky> So neener neer
04:53 < Nikky> Can't outsource that shit
04:53 < chronomex> Israel sucks.
04:53 < Nikky> I'll have a job while you're playing helpdesk to indian programmers
04:54 < chronomex> hahaha
04:54 < chronomex> right
04:54 < Speler> I'll be a hobo
04:54 < i_c-Y> Speler: what are you planning to study?
04:54 < chronomex> indian?  that's so 2002
04:54 < Speler> But I've accepted the fact
04:54 < Nikky> I hear the University of Washington is the place to be.
04:54 < Nikky> Champs like chronomex are there.
04:54 < chronomex> they're now outsourcing to sub-saharan africa, they don't need money
04:54 < sir_lewk> if my job gets outsourced to an indian programmer then that's a good thing
04:54 < sir_lewk> it obviously sucked to hard to begin with
04:55  * chronomex --> installing Solaris
04:55 < sir_lewk> I'd be better off working a burger joint then having a tech job that can be outsourced to india
04:55 < sir_lewk> nice, solaris is the shit
04:55 < Nikky> chronomex: loser.
04:55 < Nikky> Solaris is for mactard wannabes
04:55 < chronomex> damnit why'd I put the disks at the bottom of my closet?
04:55 < i_c-Y> chronomex: solaris 10?
04:56 < sir_lewk> chronomex: you should look  into this: http://www.nexenta.org/os
04:56 < chronomex> sir_lewk: doesn't run on SPARC, oddly enough
04:56 < i_c-Y> like that hasnt been linked here like 50 times in the past week, sir_lewk 
04:56 < sir_lewk> "Welcome to the Nexenta project, the land of free and open source distribution combining the OpenSolaris kernel with Ubuntu userland. "
04:56 < sir_lewk> oh, this is a SPARC box?
04:56 < sir_lewk> nice
04:57 < chronomex> ubuntu sucks anyway, Nikky uses it so I know for sure
04:57 < chronomex> yeah, Ultra 80
04:57 < i_c-Y> and regular ole solaris is better than opensolaris.
04:57 < chronomex> and bigger too
04:57 < sir_lewk> what I really want is a linux kernel with a freebsd userland
04:57 < i_c-Y> how many procs, chronomex ?
04:57 < sir_lewk> just so stallman can shove it
04:57 < Nikky> ubuntu does suck
04:57 < chronomex> i_c-Y: 3 proc, 2G ram
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04:58 < chronomex> this machine be pretty near maxed out
04:58 < Nikky> I hear chronomex uses fedora
04:58 < sir_lewk> viery neice
04:58 < sir_lewk> fedora rocks my socks
04:58 < chronomex> fedora killed my cat :\
04:58 < Nikky> No, that was me.
04:59 < Nikky> (sorry about fluffy)
04:59 < i_c-Y> it was you, duncan
04:59 < i_c-Y> you killed your cat
04:59 < i_c-Y> in an epelleptic fit
04:59 < i_c-Y> duncan kane!
05:02 < sir_lewk> rosebud did it.
05:02 < Nikky> yep
05:03 < sir_lewk> I should watch that movie again...
05:03 < Nikky> yes
05:03 < chronomex> i_c-Y: no, solaris 8
05:03 < i_c-Y> where did you get it
05:04 < sir_lewk> does that still have ZFS goodness?
05:04 < chronomex> with the machine a couple years ago
05:04 < chronomex> yeah, I think so
05:04 < sir_lewk> cool
05:04 < sir_lewk> ZFS rocks
05:04 < chronomex> I think it also takes forever and a half to boot the installer
05:06 < i_c-Y> what kind of crack are you smoking?
05:06 < ports> hrm
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05:06 < ports> Nikky, my life is all sorts of awkward
05:06 < i_c-Y> zfs was in solaris 10 something/06
05:06 < chronomex> i_c-Y: pretty bad crack
05:07 < i_c-Y> theres no way in hell it would be in solaris 8 unless if someone magically hacked it togheter. which nobody did.
05:07 < ports> Nikky, im hopefully getting my wisdom teeth removed tomorrow morning. (if the surgeon has time).. and since im here in a new town with no friends/family... i dont have someone to drive em home after the surgery
05:07 < i_c-Y> as far as i know
05:07 < chronomex> okay
05:07 < chronomex> you win
05:07 < i_c-Y> it came in opensolaris in 05, and in solaris 10 in 06 
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05:24 < tr1p1ea> hhmm...
05:25 < tr1p1ea> seems like everyone got laid off work
05:25 < tr1p1ea> cept for me and 1 other dude O_o
05:27 < chronomex> I still have a job
05:28 < Merthsoft> whoa
05:28 < Merthsoft> way to go tr1p1ea 
05:28 < _Auron_> meanwhile I have to find a new place to live AND a job
05:30 < incubus> uh wha?
05:32 < _Auron_> the house got foreclosed
05:32 < _Auron_> at least I'll have a car as of tomorrow ...
05:34 < incubus> aren't you a student?
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05:42 < _Auron_> no incubus
05:42 < _Auron_> I wish I was
05:44  * Merthsoft needs to convert an HTML file to a PDF file
05:45  * Merthsoft has done it
05:48 <@Andy_J> file->print
05:50 <@Andy_J> if anyone's bored, feel free to take a stab at http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=57564813160&id=39107526&index=0
05:51 < Merthsoft> ooh ooh ooh
05:51 < Merthsoft> die another day
05:51 <@Andy_J> post it as a comment
05:56 < _Auron_> ..
05:56 < _Auron_> martin sent me more money.
05:57 < _Auron_> said it was for watching over the house when they were gone, but I think it's more because he feels bad about my situation
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06:02 < Merthsoft> GOD I HATE TIM ANSD ERIC
06:03 < bsparks> ?
06:03 < chronomex> douchebags
06:05 <@Andy_J> [adult swim] has gone to shit lately
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06:06 < Merthsoft> yes
06:07 < Merthsoft> get any ice rain today Andy_J / bsparks 
06:07 < Nikky> Reminds me of apple
06:07 <@Andy_J> mostly rain
06:07 <@Andy_J> does adult swim even show any anime anymore?
06:07 < Merthsoft> on saturdays i think?
06:07 < Nikky> Anime sucks.
06:07 < Nikky> So no big loss.
06:07 < Nikky> I'm glad that fad is done with.
06:07 <@Andy_J> Merthsoft: nope
06:07 < Merthsoft> i dunno. i like some shows. not tim and erik, or super jail, or frisky dingo
06:07 < Merthsoft> but most of the rest i do
06:08 <@Andy_J> oh there they are
06:08 < Merthsoft> some of the anime was ok, some SUUUUCKED like shin chan
06:08 <@Andy_J> at like 2 am
06:08 <@Andy_J> death note <3
06:09 < Merthsoft> fhost in the shell <3
06:09 < millinao> wait
06:09 < millinao> did you say that shin chan sucks
06:09 <@Andy_J> so they have like 2 hours of anime very late on saturday
06:09 <@Andy_J> millinao: god that show sucks ass
06:09 <@Andy_J> annoys the shit out of me
06:09 < Nikky> anime sucks
06:09 < Nikky> Wait, is spongebob anime?
06:09 < millinao> maybe I was spoiled by reading the manga first
06:09 < millinao> no
06:10 < Merthsoft> Nikky: some of it does, yeah
06:10 < i_c-Y> wow. only nerds read manga and watch anime
06:10 < Merthsoft> some is really good
06:10 <@Andy_J> like death note
06:10 < millinao> i_c-Y look where you're talking in
06:10 < Merthsoft> or cowboy bebop
06:10 < millinao> or naruto
06:10 < i_c-Y> millinao: im a humanities major
06:10 < i_c-Y> therefore not nerd.
06:10 < Nikky> good
06:11 < Merthsoft> i_c-Y: i just watch what's on TV
06:11 <@Andy_J> you being here makes you a nerd
06:11 < Nikky> except you're an engineering fag
06:11 < Nikky> humanities is for homos
06:11 < Merthsoft> Nikky: you're a linux fag
06:11 < millinao> i_c-Y you're a nerd
06:11 < i_c-Y> lies, millinao 
06:11 < _Digital> I agree with millinao and Andy_J, i_c-Y
06:12 < millinao> NERD
06:12 < millinao> shit now i sound like nikky
06:12 < chronomex> hah
06:12 < Nikky> nerds
06:12 < chronomex> invective is a wonderful thing
06:12 < _Digital> troll
06:12 < Nikky> macloser
06:12 < Nikky> Nice of apple to finally realize drm sucks
06:12 < Nikky> two years late
06:13 < Nikky> Yep, real top quality company you got there
06:13 <@Andy_J> I don't see microsoft doing that
06:13 < Nikky> they really care about the users, all right
06:13 < _Digital> pwned
06:13 <@Andy_J> they still have DRM in the fucking kernel
06:13 < Nikky> Who said anything about microsoft?
06:13 < Nikky> That's a really shitty argument.
06:13 <@Andy_J> you did by bringing up apple
06:13 < _Digital> apples vs orages?
06:13 < Nikky> I did not.
06:13 <@Andy_J> >.>
06:13 < _Digital> :P
06:13 < Nikky> Wow.
06:13 < Merthsoft> Nikky: you're a bitter bitter man. and i love you so much for it
06:13 < millinao> nikky where do you buy music
06:13 <@Andy_J> If you're going to use an argument against apple, then make sure it doesn't work against their largest competitior in the business.
06:14 < Nikky> Andy_J: I'm so sorry you think that way.
06:14 <@Andy_J> sometimes I can't play DVDs if vista thinks the planets are out of alignment
06:14 < Nikky> I'm also sorry that in your blind rage you can't spell.
06:14 < _Digital> Nikky, we're so sorry that your head was used as drum as a child
06:14 < Nikky> So tell me
06:14 < millinao> I thought that only happened to me!
06:15 < Nikky> If you have such a problem with DRM in the kernel for Vista
06:15 < _Digital> explains why you love Canon so much
06:15 < Nikky> What say you about apple only allowing their OS to be installed on their hardware? :)
06:15 < Nikky> That seems even more draconian!
06:15 < _Auron_> :P
06:15  * Nikky waits for illogical argument
06:15 < Nikky> BRING IT ON
06:15  * millinao strawmans
06:15  * _Digital waits for Nikky to be logical
06:15 <@Andy_J> Buy Leopard at a store, stick one of the Apple stickers on any old computer, and hey it's apple-branded.
06:16 < millinao> reducto ad absurdum, bitch
06:16 < Nikky> Wow Andy_J 
06:16 < Nikky> You used to be better than this.
06:16 < _Digital> you never were
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06:16 < millinao> hey we drove out ports
06:16 <@Andy_J> getting it to run isn't that much more work
06:16 < _Digital> millinao, I think I have to take credit for that, he really hates me
06:16 < millinao> you can run osx86 running pretty quickly
06:16 <@Andy_J> and I rather like the fact that it's pretty much guaranteed to be stable on the hardware configuration thaty they sell
06:17 < Spengo> deus ex does not work in vista x64 :(
06:17 < _Digital> Andy_J++
06:17 < Spengo> I can't seem to make it run
06:17 < millinao> BUT YOU CAN'T UPGRADE OR PLAY GAMES
06:17 < millinao> blah blah blah
06:17 < Spengo> I get general protection fault and crash to desktop
06:17 < i_c-Y> did you try compatibility mode, Spengo ?
06:17 < Nikky> Andy_J: Like that little bluetooth driver errors they had?
06:17 < Spengo> yes i_c-Y 
06:17 < Spengo> but
06:17 < Nikky> Yeah, that's pretty much a guarantee.
06:17 < Spengo> the GPF made me lol
06:17 < Spengo> haven't seen that error in awhile
06:17 < Spengo> :#
06:18 < i_c-Y> Spengo: is it patched?
06:18 < Nikky> Or their little battery swelling issue?
06:18 < millinao> I downloaded lego island 1 and my XP install bluescreened
06:18 < Nikky> That's stable too, I suppose.
06:18 < Spengo> I dunno
06:18 < millinao> fucking bluescreened
06:18 <@Andy_J> That's hardly their fault.
06:18 < Nikky> So?
06:18 <@Andy_J> That's clearly Sony's fault.
06:18 < i_c-Y> Spengo: also, you might need to switch renderers
06:18 <@Andy_J> Everybody hates Sonly.
06:18 < Nikky> You said it's " pretty much guaranteed to be stable on the hardware configuration thaty 
06:18 < millinao> <3 sony
06:18 < i_c-Y> on UT GOTY, i use the http://cwdohnal.home.mindspring.com/utglr/ renderer
06:18 <@Andy_J> The softwrae, yes.
06:18 < Nikky> So how is it not their fault?
06:18 < Spengo> i_c-Y, it crashed when you try to save or load
06:18 < Spengo> the game would play fine
06:18 < Spengo> but if you go to the menu to save or loda a game, gpf and crash to desktop
06:18 < i_c-Y> did you try right click -> run as administrator?
06:18 <@Andy_J> A third-party hardware issue which has no correlation with software at all cant' be their fault
06:19 <@Andy_J> christ
06:19 < Spengo> that doesn't work through steam
06:19 < Spengo> :/
06:19 <@Andy_J> anyway it's after 1, I need to go to bed
06:19 < Nikky> Andy_J: So apple has no quality control? Thanks for clearing that up.
06:19 < Nikky> I knew that for years.
06:19 < Spengo> if I tell it to run as administrator steam can't find it and if I run it without steam it hates me
06:19 < Nikky> At least you finally admitted it.
06:19 < Spengo> bleh
06:19 < millinao> spengo, run steam through admin
06:19 <@Andy_J> no, that'd be sony not having quality control
06:19 < Spengo> oh that's a thought
06:19 < Merthsoft> millinao: holy shit i used to own lego island that game kicked ass i used to chase the robber all over the place
06:19 < Spengo> hmm maybe I'll try that
06:19 < Spengo> lego island works in windows 98! :D
06:19 < Nikky> I guess apple was too busy making things shiny to um, test what their venders were providing.
06:19 < millinao> hahaha merthsoft that was the worst runon sentence ever goddamn
06:19 < Spengo> I used to play that game
06:20 < Spengo> you know what's the best thing to do?
06:20 < Nikky> oh well, their users are forviging
06:20 < millinao> what
06:20 < Spengo> you know how next to that pizza place there is a little circle of concrete?
06:20 < millinao> btw lego island 2 was better
06:20 < millinao> yeah
06:20 < Nikky> because otherwise where would they get their shiny pretty toys?
06:20 < Spengo> well if you stand in one place, people congregate around you
06:20 < Merthsoft> didn't know there was a lego island 2
06:20 < Spengo> so stand there until EVERYONE is in the circle
06:20 < Spengo> and then leave
06:20 < millinao> hahaha
06:20 < Spengo> and than watch as everyone crashes into each other trying to leave the circle
06:20 < Spengo> exploding into little bricks :)
06:20 < Merthsoft> hehe
06:20 < millinao> i had all the lego games
06:20 < millinao> lego loco
06:20 < Merthsoft> lego creator <3
06:21 < Spengo> I never played lego island 2
06:21 < millinao> lego constructor knights kingdom
06:21 < millinao> lego chess
06:21 < millinao> lego racers
06:21 < Spengo> I liked the first lego racers game though
06:21 < Spengo> lego racers 2 sucked though
06:21 < Merthsoft> i had that too
06:21 < Merthsoft> hahaha
06:21 < _Digital> Nikky, why can't your school have the proper time on their boinc server instead of running ~20 minutes fast?
06:21 < millinao> I played lego racers recently
06:21 < millinao> that games seems SO BLAND now
06:21 < Spengo> first lego racers is awesome
06:21 < Nikky> I'm pretty sure we're not hosting it
06:21 < Spengo> no no mil
06:21 < Spengo> millinao, you're doing it wrong
06:21 < Spengo> go look up the cheats
06:21 < Nikky> what IP is it _Digital?
06:21 < Spengo> and race with funky stuff like ONLY grappling hooks
06:21 < Spengo> :D
06:21 < millinao> although when I built a giant penis car it was better
06:22 < Spengo> grappling hooks was the coolest powerup
06:22 < Spengo> lol
06:22 < Merthsoft> hehe
06:22 < _Digital> 140.142.20.103 I believe Nikky
06:22 < Spengo> but yeh, only grappling hooks is great in multiplayer
06:22 < Nikky> okay, that is us
06:22 < Spengo> and it's actually pretty fun with captain redbeard
06:22 < Spengo> all triple rockets is also fun with redbeard
06:22 < _Digital> millinao, go play spore if you need a penis fix
06:22 < Nikky> but our timeserv servers are all fine
06:22 < Spengo> you know how normally he loves the cannons
06:23 < Spengo> :)
06:23 < millinao> spore sucks
06:23 < Nikky> so who cares about the boinc time server
06:23 < Nikky> does it matter in the least bit?
06:23 < Nikky> No
06:23 < _Digital> who cares about time?
06:23 < _Digital> does it matter
06:23 < _Digital> no
06:23 < Nikky> It seems you do
06:23 < millinao> did anyone play blockland?
06:23 < Nikky> no, but lots of people at cemetech do
06:23 < millinao> or was it only me
06:24 < millinao> that game used to rock
06:24 < Spengo> blockland was the one with the stick guy and you move the blocks around right?
06:24 < Spengo> that game was hard :o
06:24 < millinao> it was an online game where you could build shit
06:24 < Spengo> oh I dunno then
06:24 < millinao> and you walked around as a lego guy
06:24 < Spengo> I thought you meant a calculator game
06:24 < millinao> no
06:24 < millinao> thats blockdude
06:24 < Spengo> oh
06:25 < millinao> blockland used to be good, it was on the screen savers(post-techtv)
06:25  * Nikky kisses Spengo 
06:26 < millinao> okay no one cares about that game
06:26 < Merthsoft> AHHH WHY DO I KEEP STAYING UP SO LATE
06:27 < _Auron_> BECAUSE IT'S FUN
06:27 < Merthsoft> but i have shit to do
06:27 < Merthsoft> tomorrow
06:28 < _Digital> it doesn't amtter that much Merthsoft
06:28 < _Auron_> then sleep
06:28 < millinao> go to bed
06:28 < _Digital> stay with us for a bit longer, yes?
06:28 < Merthsoft> yes
06:28 < Merthsoft> <3 _Digital 
06:28 < Merthsoft> when he's not being grumpy
06:28 < Merthsoft> !q
06:28 <@efneTI86> 749: "<jib> MikeKnoop: asexual means it doesn't do anything | <MikeKnoop> psh, semantics!" [Added: Mike_K at 2006/11/05 00:43]
06:29 < _Digital> Merthsoft, no longer sick
06:29 < Merthsoft> hooray
06:30 < Merthsoft> ( (12 + 144 + 20 + 3 Sqrt[4]) / 7 ) + 5*11 = 92 + 0 
06:30 < Merthsoft> A dozen, a gross, and a score,
06:30 < Merthsoft> plus three times the square root of four,
06:30 < Merthsoft> divided by seven,
06:30 < Merthsoft> plus five times eleven,
06:30 < Merthsoft> is nine squared and not a bit more. 
06:30 < Merthsoft> 92 = 9^2
06:31 < _Digital> why are you off by 11?
06:32 < Merthsoft> i'm not?
06:32 < _Digital> 9^2 is 81
06:32 < millinao> fail
06:33 < millinao> wait, did I actually say that >_>
06:33 < Merthsoft> 12+144+20 = 176; 3sqrt(4) = 6; 176+6=182; 182/7=26; 5*11=55; 55+26=81
06:34 < _Digital> then why did you say 92?
06:35 < _Auron_> he typo'ed
06:35 < _Auron_> corrected himself by saying 92 = 9^2
06:35 < chronomex> hands didn't find the bumps on the keyboard
06:35 < _Auron_> but incorrectly corrected himself
06:35 < chronomex> :P
06:35 < Merthsoft> what, how'd i incorrecty correct myself?
06:35 < chronomex> 22:30:51 < Merthsoft> 92 = 9^2
06:35 < Merthsoft> oooh
06:35 < Merthsoft> i see
06:36 < Merthsoft> 92 should be 9^2
06:36 < chronomex> yes
06:36 < _Digital> next time use somethign like == instead of = so we know you mean equal too and aren't continuing with arithmetic 
06:37 < Merthsoft> next time i'll say
06:37 < Merthsoft> 92 should be 9^2
06:37 < chronomex> or maybe --> 
06:37 < _Digital> taht works
06:37 < Merthsoft> so then
06:37 < Merthsoft> ( (12 + 144 + 20 + 3 Sqrt[4]) / 7 ) + 5*11 = 9^2 + 0 
06:37 < Merthsoft> A dozen, a gross, and a score,
06:37 < Merthsoft> plus three times the square root of four,
06:37 < Merthsoft> divided by seven,
06:37 < Merthsoft> plus five times eleven,
06:37 < Merthsoft> is nine squared and not a bit more. 
06:37 < _Digital> lo
06:37 < _Digital> l
06:37 < _Digital> type a few more lines and you'll be kicked for flood
06:38 < Merthsoft> a few more lines
06:38  * _Digital stabs Merthsoft 
06:38 < chronomex> Merthsoft: a few more lines a few more times
06:38 < Merthsoft> a few more lines a few more times
06:39 < _Digital> you've passed teh timeout nvm
06:39  * Merthsoft goes to timeout
06:41 < Nikky> straight thugsters
06:43  * _Digital licks Nikky
06:44  * Merthsoft is playing with his calc for the first time in years
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06:44 < _Digital> hey tr1p1ea
06:45 < Nikky> tr1p1ea!
06:45 < Merthsoft> tr1p1ea: 
06:47 < millinao> sup tr1p1ea
06:50 < i_c-Y> http://atleastonecoolthing.blogspot.com/2006/10/shawshank-in-minute.html heh heh. i remember this
06:50 < _Digital> Merthsoft, it is time for you to sleep
06:50 < Merthsoft> 10 more minutes?
06:53 < _Digital> I'm too young to be a dad
06:54 < Merthsoft> no you're not
06:54 < _Digital> I want to be
06:54 < Merthsoft> how old are you?
06:54 < Nikky> 35
06:54 < _Digital> minus 13
06:55 < Merthsoft> yeah not old enough
06:55 < _Digital> and you doubted me?
06:55 < Merthsoft> yesd
06:55 < Merthsoft> i'm 20
06:56 < _Digital> technically I all of a sudden get a year olde in a month
06:56 < Nikky> Merthsoft: Me too <3
06:56 < Nikky> let's get gay married
06:56 < _Digital> can't in Cali
06:57 < Nikky> yeah, good job guys
06:57 < Nikky> NOT
06:57 < Merthsoft> dude
06:57 < Merthsoft> i'm older than yopu
06:57 < _Digital> who
06:57 < Nikky> true Merthsoft 
06:57 < _Digital> that xplains a lot
06:58 < Merthsoft> i'm 6 days older than Nikky 
06:58 < Nikky> :(
06:58 < Merthsoft> ok bed time
06:58 < Merthsoft> Nikky: wanna join me?
06:58 < Nikky> sweet dreams
06:58 < _Digital> night
06:58 < Nikky> I sure do
06:58 < Merthsoft> awesome 8===D O:
06:58 < Nikky> you bet cha'
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06:59 < Merthsoft> k bye
07:03 < tr1p1ea> oh hai
07:03 < _Digital> wow
07:03 < _Digital> delayed reaction
07:03 < tr1p1ea> not really
07:03 < _Digital> nearly 20 minutes isn't delayed?
07:03 < tr1p1ea> since irc runs on startup and i only just opened it to check
07:03 < _Digital> ah
07:03 < tr1p1ea> to the 'reaction' was only a few seconds
07:03 < tr1p1ea> so*
07:04 < tr1p1ea> but yeh :X
07:05 < _Digital> what is new over there?
07:05 < tr1p1ea> a packet of chips
07:07 < _Digital> tr1p1ea, what is your ping to this IP? 71.165.124.42
07:07 < _Digital> I'm curious
07:12 < chronomex> _Digital: I'm getting 0% ROI here
07:13 < chronomex> in some sense, ping is infinite
07:13 < _Digital> okay
07:17 < _Auron_> great, now I'm depressed
07:17  * _Digital stops pressing _Auron_'s buttons
07:20 < _Auron_> packing up your belongings is depressing
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07:38  * Merthsoft can't sleep
07:39 < bsparks> _Auron_, tell me about it =/
07:54 < Nikky> tr1p1ea: 
07:54 < Nikky> tr1p1ea: 
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08:32 < tr1p1ea> :?
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08:46 < Spengo> oh man
08:46 < Spengo> http://kentie.net/article/dxguide/index.htm
08:46 < Spengo> that is a sweet program
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08:46 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
08:47 < Spengo> now 32-bit color works! and the gui isn't fugly! and the fov isn't chopped off, it's extended
08:47 < Spengo> win!
08:47 < leofox> yaaya
08:47 < leofox> I once nuked a virtual town
08:48 < leofox> because some old bugger would give me a fancy house if I did
08:54 < tr1p1ea> ahh dues ex, now there was a good game
08:58 < leofox> rule 62 of the internet
08:58 < leofox> every time you mention deus ex, someone will reinstall it
08:58 < leofox> too bad I was talking about fallout though
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10:12 < zeropod> sup?
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10:20 < zeropod> anyone around that can whois me?
10:24 < zeropod> ?
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11:15 < tr1p1ea> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XhcWg4NiqN8
11:19 <@benryves> Heya tr1p1ea :)
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11:30 < tr1p1ea> hi ben :)
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11:30 <@benryves> How's it going?
11:37 < tr1p1ea> yeh ok
11:42 < tr1p1ea> i see bbc basic is still kicking along
11:42 < tr1p1ea> im excited at the possibility of an imminent release!
11:42  * benryves mutters something about work.
11:42 <@benryves> Cheers, though. :D
11:43 < tr1p1ea> :>
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11:45 <@efneTI92> [leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
11:52 < tr1p1ea> well im off to bed, night!
11:52 <@benryves> 'night!
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12:03 <@benryves> leofox: Could you please switch off auto-rejoin? >_>
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15:29 < sir_lewk> 'ello #tcpa 
15:30 <@benryves> Wotcha sir_lewk
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15:30 < sir_lewk> props to tifreak
15:30 < tifreak> Hiya sir_lewk
15:30 <@benryves> 'lo tifreak
15:31 < tifreak> 'lo benryves ^^
15:32 < tifreak> How goes it gents?
15:33 <@benryves> Not too shabby, thanks, yourself?
15:34 < tifreak> At work.. >.< I think that says enough.. :P
15:34 < tifreak> gimme a minute, gots a funny pic to share with all of ya
15:35 < tifreak> http://tifreakware.net/images/misc/55636.jpg
15:36 <@benryves> tifreak: Good, but very old. :P
15:37 < tifreak> hehe.. had not seen it before, just got it in an email today ^^
15:38 < tifreak> hehe, welcome sign into a town: "Drive carefully, we have TWO cemeteries, and NO hospitals"
15:39 < tifreak> "Those who throw objects at the crocodiles will be asked to retrieve them"
15:39 < tifreak> ^^
15:39 < tifreak> we need moar stuff like that..
15:40 <@benryves> http://www.b3ta.com/board/9069748
15:43 < tifreak> ^^
15:52 < Merthsoft> yo
15:53 <@benryves> Heya Merthsoft
15:53 < tifreak> Hi Merth
15:53 < tifreak> We took a vote earlier.. You are gonna have to feed the aligators in the moat..
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15:54 < Merthsoft> aw
15:54  * Merthsoft feeds alligator
15:54 < Merthsoft> s
15:54  * Merthsoft feeds tifreak to the alligators
15:55 < Merthsoft> what's up benryves?
15:55 < tifreak> lol
15:55 < tifreak> you couldn't pick my ass up, so :P
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15:55 <+kirsk> GWB's cat died?
15:56 < Merthsoft> tifreak: my job is lifting shit
15:56 < tifreak> But I am a full 240lbs of shit, stacked almost 6' high
15:56 < Merthsoft> i can pick myself up more than my body weight, and i weigh 250lbs
15:56 < tifreak> heh
15:56 < tifreak> you fatty :P
15:57 < tifreak> XD
15:57 < tifreak> j/k
15:57 <@benryves> Merthsoft: Not much, how about you?
15:58 < Merthsoft> not a whole lot. waiting for housekeeping to finish up so i can shower
16:03 < Nikky> nerd
16:04 < Merthsoft> because i shower?
16:04 < tifreak> zomg iz a nikky
16:06 < Nikky> i haz cheeze
16:07 < Merthsoft> why do so many placed want you to type in all your education/work info, instead of just attaching a resume
16:07 < sir_lewk> wat kin'd of cheeze?
16:07 < sir_lewk> Merthsoft: who knows
16:07 <@benryves> sir_lewk: I've seen the apostrophe abused in many different ways, but that's a new one to me.
16:07 < sir_lewk> :D
16:07 < tifreak> XD
16:07 < Merthsoft> or do something stupid like have a paste box to paste in your nicely-formatted resume so that it loses all of it's formatting
16:07 < Merthsoft> god i ahte places
16:08 < Merthsoft> NASA does it, for christ's sake NASA
16:08 < tifreak> Nikky: Watch them SMBZ episodes yet?
16:08 < sir_lewk> you are applying to NASA?
16:08 < sir_lewk> I'd apply to SpaceX instead
16:08 < Merthsoft> internship
16:08 < sir_lewk> I'd sell my left nut to work at SpaceX, even if it was just an internship
16:08 < Nikky> no haz skol
16:09 < sir_lewk> chewing tobacco is iky Nikky
16:09 < Nikky> si
16:09 < sir_lewk> I wonder if spacex wants CS guys...
16:10 < Merthsoft> they don't appear to have internships
16:10 < Merthsoft> sir_lewk: https://spacex.com/careers.php
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16:12 <+kirsk> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0106091vail1.html
16:12 < karn`> is tehre a windows app that i can do ti scripts in and test them before i put them on my calc
16:12 < karn`> ?
16:13 < Merthsoft> http://208.116.9.205/10/content/15368/1.jpg
16:13 < Merthsoft> scripts?
16:13 < Merthsoft> like basic programs?
16:13 < karn`> like TI scripts
16:13 <@benryves> karn`: Which calculator?
16:13 < Merthsoft> wtf is a TI script?
16:13 < karn`> ones would put in a calc to like make your own functions and whatnot, 89t
16:14 < Merthsoft> damn, i still need to get me one of those. and by need i mean waste my money because i don't need it at all
16:14 < karn`> its my 2nd one :P
16:14 < karn`> when my car got impounded it came up missing...
16:15 < karn`> so i had to buy another
16:16 <@benryves> karn`: You may find one in http://www.ticalc.org/pub/win/ like http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/300/30032.html
16:16 < karn`> i bvasically want a 89t for windows heh
16:16 < sir_lewk> there are a few emulators out there, look into those
16:16 < sir_lewk> tiemu is the best, dunno if there is a windows client though
16:16 < sir_lewk> VTI is a classic, I used to use it a bunch
16:17 < sir_lewk> maybe there are some other's I'm missing
16:18 < karn`> heh
16:18 < sir_lewk> if you are serious about programming the 89 for more than just mathematical functions, you can program it in C with tigcc
16:18 < sir_lewk> tigcc is pretty badass if that's your sort of thing
16:20 < tifreak> There is also a replacement to TIGCC in the works..
16:20 < tifreak> http://tifreakware.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=1403&view=getnewpost
16:20 < tifreak> hooray for somehow turning into a 68k higher power.. XD
16:20 < karn`> i think it would be badass if you could do mirc scripts in 89t :p
16:21 <@benryves> Dare I ask why? o_O
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16:21 < tifreak> you probably could.. you would just have to write an interpreter for it first
16:21 < karn`> its easy,
16:21 < Merthsoft> haha
16:21 < tifreak> but.. just learn C, would be the way to go
16:21 < Merthsoft> krisk'll come in, we ignore him, he leaves
16:21 < Merthsoft> it's amazing!
16:21 < karn`> haha
16:21  * benryves is slightly surprised mIRC still exists, but meh.
16:22 < karn`> i can look at most scripts and figureout what tehre trying to do and make one in mirc
16:22 < karn`> i like xchat, but i dont like perl
16:23 < Merthsoft> perl is great
16:23 < karn`> mirc is more easy then perl
16:23 < Merthsoft> meanwhile, best way to make a rounded rectange? Draw a rectangle and two circles?
16:23 < Merthsoft> mirc is more limited than perl
16:23 <@benryves> Merthsoft: Four circles, surely?
16:24 < Merthsoft> haha, right
16:24 < sir_lewk> if you learn C then that's a seriously marketable skill
16:24 < karn`> you can raise the limit by making scripts that add functions
16:24 < karn`> =P
16:24 < sir_lewk> you're never going to get a job with mirc scripts though ;)
16:24 < karn`> there was nothing i couldnt do with mirc 3 years ago
16:24 < karn`> heh
16:24 <@benryves> karn`: Write useful software, for one.
16:24 < karn`> i make a mirc keygen
16:24 < karn`> ;>
16:25 < karn`> yes...a mirc script too, haha mircscripts.org rejected it, fukin zack^
16:26 < karn`> i thought it was a good script, and it had a nice dialog ;p
16:26 <@benryves> Hence my point about how mIRC still exists. A fairly mediocre IRC client that you have to pay for.
16:27 < karn`> its kinda free
16:27 <@benryves> It's not, it's commercial software. You have to pay for it to use it.
16:27 < karn`> and hey, wouldnt you try to make some money if you made it? 
16:27 <@benryves> Possibly, but there are plenty of free IRC clients out there.
16:27 < karn`> it used to be free..
16:27 < i_c-Y> no.
16:27 < i_c-Y> its always shareware.
16:28 < karn`> well...you would get taht message after 30 days asking to register
16:28 < i_c-Y> doesnt mean its free. you're supposed to pay for it.
16:28 < karn`> i never thoght of it that way
16:28 < karn`> i thought if you wanted to pay for it you could...but i didnt know you were supposed to..
16:29 < karn`> =o
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16:30 <@benryves> Such is the basis of shareware (or, in the case of mIRC, nagware). :P
16:30 < User__> =o
16:30  * benryves will nominate WinRAR as another one he can't understand. :\
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16:33 < karn``> wtf
16:33 < sir_lewk> yarly
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16:33 < sir_lewk> the only reason other irc clients still exist is because irssi isn't more user friendly
16:34 <@benryves> Hehe :) Being text-based kind of scuppers it on Windows, too.
16:34 < sir_lewk> and xchat on windows is not free or something weird like that
16:34 < Merthsoft> silverx is
16:34 < Merthsoft> which is someone elses implementation of xchat
16:34 < sir_lewk> benryves: yeah, I just consider that a user friendly issue ;)
16:34 <@benryves> sir_lewk: What, shoddy Unicode support?
16:35 < sir_lewk> I'm never had an issue with irssi's unicode
16:35 <@benryves> It's not irssi, it's the Windows console.
16:35 < sir_lewk> now GNU Screen is an absolute bitch that way...
16:35 < sir_lewk> oh
16:35 <@benryves> The Windows console is limited to whatever your current codepage is.
16:36 < sir_lewk> yugh
16:36 < sir_lewk> if microsoft would just fork xterm their console would be hella better
16:36 < sir_lewk> same thing with MacOSX really
16:37 <@benryves> Hehe :) GTK+ is another notable offender, any GTK+ app has screwed Unicode under Windows (no font substitution).
16:37 < sir_lewk> I've yet to see a terminal emulator that compares to it.  oh well
16:37 < karn`> ok, so is expand() more like a 'show work' kinda thing?
16:37 < sir_lewk> yeah, I remember having hellish times with GTK on windows
16:37 < sir_lewk> dunno, does it kind of factorize it kind of?
16:38 < karn`> =o
16:38 < sir_lewk> it's been a while for me...
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16:38 <@efneTI92> [Netham46] Narf!
16:38 < i_c-Y> theres puttycyg on windows
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16:38 < i_c-Y> and you can have an xterm on windows.
16:39 < sir_lewk> well yes.
16:39 <@benryves> The Windows console has to do all manner of ugly stuff (eg the old DOS textmode emulation stuff), and the replacements I've seen have all been rather half-baked.
16:40 < sir_lewk> they should ditch backwards compat for that shit
16:40 < sir_lewk> so what if people complain, what are they going to do?
16:40 <@benryves> I hope they don't.
16:40 < sir_lewk> why?!?
16:40 < sir_lewk> it's old cruft that's holding back progress
16:41 <@benryves> Because I won't be able to run DOS apps?
16:41 < sir_lewk> that seems like a superb reason to do it >.>
16:41 <@benryves> Hehe :P
16:41 < sir_lewk> or just keep the current windows console but make an decent one the default
16:41 < i_c-Y> what do you want, powershell for the default?
16:41 < i_c-Y> i see nothing wrong with the current windows console.
16:41 < sir_lewk> *that* would be the smart thing to do, I can't imagine it takes more than a few kilos
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16:42 < i_c-Y> whats smart about it? nothing.
16:42 < sir_lewk> i_c-Y: it has a complete lack of modern features
16:42 <@benryves> i_c-Y: We're not complaining about the command-line interpreter, but the console window itself.
16:42 < sir_lewk> yes
16:42 < i_c-Y> benryves: well, if you have a problem with it , you can go suck it :)
16:42 < sir_lewk> well, bash blows the command intrerperter out of the water but that's a different discussion ;)
16:42 <@benryves> i_c-Y: Its lacklustre Unicode support is about my only real complaint.
16:43 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Indeed, as does PowerShell.
16:43 < sir_lewk> 256 color support would be nice
16:43 < karn`> hmm, i wish i could find my matlab
16:43 < sir_lewk> meth is wack
16:44 < Merthsoft> stuff like Random random = new Random(); makes me love programming
16:44 <@benryves> var random = new Random(); appeals to me more.
16:45 < sir_lewk> int i = rand(); :P
16:45 < sir_lewk> what is 'new Random()' doing? creating a RNG object?
16:45 < sir_lewk> seems like a very odd thing to do
16:45 <@Andy_J> there'd better be a good reason you're making your own RNG and not using Math.random()
16:46 < Merthsoft> seems like a very good thing to do
16:46 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Yes, it does, and why?
16:46 <@Andy_J> Merthsoft: if you're going to new Random() you should only ever do it once in the application's lifetime
16:46 <@Andy_J> Is that the case?
16:46 < Merthsoft> http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/Random.html look at all the things it can do (the C# one kicks the java one's ass)
16:46 < Merthsoft> Andy_J: yes
16:46 < sir_lewk> the only situation in which I could see it being useful is if each entity had it's own RNG so each could be seeded in specific ways
16:46 <@Andy_J> ok, then that is acceptable
16:46 < Merthsoft> first line after public static void main(String[] args) {
16:46 < sir_lewk> otherwise... why?
16:47 < Merthsoft> abstraction my young skywalker
16:47 < Merthsoft> oh fuck i need to shower and get to work :/
16:47 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: to be fair Math.random() only gives you [0, 1) or something like that
16:47 <@Andy_J> Random gives you a whole crap of other thigns
16:47 <@benryves> sir_lewk: The RNG needs to maintain some sort of state.
16:48 <@Andy_J> benryves: Math does that for Math.random
16:48 <@Andy_J> in Java at least
16:48 < sir_lewk> http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom-of-nouns.html A good read about Java
16:48 <@Andy_J> I think it's just a static instance of Random but I'm not sure
16:48 <@benryves> Andy_J: That implies some sort of hidden global state.
16:49 < sir_lewk> you seed the RNG with srand, why do we need a special RNG object to seed it?
16:50 <@Andy_J> http://tcpa.pastebin.com/m5d5fee63
16:50 <@Andy_J> from src.zip/java/lang/Math.java
16:50 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Calling srand() sets the seed for the global RNG. This means that unrelated code (in another library, say) could modify the behaviour of unrelated code.
16:51 <@Andy_J> There's nothing stopping you from making your own instance of Random if you really need your own RNG
16:51 <@Andy_J> but you can't influence Math's in any way other than just using it a lot
16:51 <@benryves> Java's solution isn't bad, as it *only* lets you retrieve values from the RNG, so shouldn't have serious side-effects.
16:51 <@Andy_J> and it's initialized with the time of day as the seed the first time it's needed
16:51 < sir_lewk> ideally with a RNG it shouldn't matter if the seed changes (unless it was maliciously changed...) or if something else starts taking values from it
16:52 <@Andy_J> so it's random enough for most purposes
16:52 < i_c-Y> if its not random enough for you, then you should have known that before hand.
16:52 < i_c-Y> and youd be implementing a different rng anyway.
16:52 < sir_lewk> exactly
16:53 < sir_lewk> no sane man would ever consider using the standard RNG libraries for cryptographic purposes
16:53 < i_c-Y> well duh.
16:53 < sir_lewk> otherwise, who gives a shit?
16:53 < i_c-Y> certainly you wouldnt be using power residue for anything serious.
16:53 <@benryves> In .NET you can simply inherit from Random and override the Sample method to create your own RNGs.
16:54 < sir_lewk> I need to write a RNG routine that used d-notation
16:55 < sir_lewk> it'd just use the standard RNG though of course
16:55 <@benryves> d-notation?
16:55 < i_c-Y> i need to get a laptop bag...
16:55 < sir_lewk> from D&D
16:55 <@benryves> D notation from D&D? Too many Ds :(
16:55 < tifreak> whee, going to get parts, shall return.. eventually..
16:55 < sir_lewk> http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/D_notation
16:55 <@Andy_J> !d 2d20+4
16:55 <@Andy_J> gamesurge's chanserv has it
16:55 < sir_lewk> yeha
16:56 <@benryves> Hmm. :\
16:56 < sir_lewk> 4d6 = roll 4 six sided die
16:56 < sir_lewk> it gets you nice bellcurve-like distributions
16:56 < Merthsoft> setSeed(long seed) 
16:56 <@benryves> There are non-6-sided die?
16:57 < sir_lewk> in Dungeons and Dragons ;)
16:57 <@Andy_J> a lot of table games use d20s
16:57 < Merthsoft> benryves: oh yeah
16:57 < Merthsoft> all the isomorphic solids
16:57 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Not sure what that is, but fair enough. :P
16:57 <@Andy_J> penny arcade's video games use d20s >_>
16:57 < sir_lewk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DnD_Dice_Set.jpg
16:58 < sir_lewk> it's basically just a paper based multiplayer RPG
16:58 <@benryves> Cool. :)
16:59 < sir_lewk> anyways, d-notation is very nice for combat systems. a bellcurve for damage or whatever makes more sense than standard deviation if you think about it
16:59 < sir_lewk> yeah, my friends play it.
17:01 < Merthsoft> sir_lewk: i ported your game to windows
17:01 < Merthsoft> want i should commit to the repo?
17:02 < sir_lewk> nice!
17:02 < sir_lewk> what do the changes involve?
17:02 < Merthsoft> http://merthsoft.calcg.org/spacehack.png there it goes
17:03 < Merthsoft> had to change the makefile
17:03 < Merthsoft> line 8 is now: g++ $(CPPFLAGS) $(OBJECTS) $(LIBS) -o spacehack
17:03 < sir_lewk> alright, awesome
17:03 <@benryves> Ah, still GCC?
17:04 < sir_lewk> you just switched those too parts and it worked?
17:04 < sir_lewk> *two
17:04 < Merthsoft> yup
17:04 < sir_lewk> nice
17:04 < Merthsoft> yup
17:04 < sir_lewk> if you have a sourceforge account I'll give you commit access
17:04 < Merthsoft> yeah it's probably merthsoft
17:04 < Merthsoft> i walked all around the dungeon and killed things
17:05 < Merthsoft> sometimes it said i died, but nothing happened
17:05 < sir_lewk> cool bean
17:05 < sir_lewk> yeah
17:05 < sir_lewk> player death isn't handled right now. player inherits from monster which can die though, hence the message
17:05 < Merthsoft> m, ok
17:06 < Merthsoft> i gotta go now though
17:06 < sir_lewk> ok
17:06 < Merthsoft> bye guys
17:06 <@benryves> See you!
17:06 < sir_lewk> later
17:07 < sir_lewk> merthsoft added
17:08 < i_c-Y> Merthsoft: didnt i tell you to do that change yesterday?
17:08  * sir_lewk really wishes he'd hosted this on github originally, svn isn't nearly as cool :S
17:08 <@benryves> How do you find git cooler than SVN?
17:08 < i_c-Y> cause he's a loser
17:08 < sir_lewk> it makes colaboration easier
17:09 <@benryves> How? :\
17:09 < sir_lewk> merthsoft could continue to work on his stuff, committing his changes and stuff, then I could just pull from him when it's ready
17:09 <@benryves> Like what SVN does?
17:09 < sir_lewk> lets you work on your own stuff a bit easier than svn does
17:09 <@benryves> Oh, you mean local commits?
17:10 < sir_lewk> yeah
17:10 <@benryves> Possible in SVN via branching, of course, but it's not exactly elegant.
17:10 < sir_lewk> yeah
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17:10 < sir_lewk> git has a nastier learning curve though and it's harder for windows folk apparently
17:11 <@benryves> Mm, TSVN is nice and easy. :)
17:11 < sir_lewk> TSVN?
17:11 <@benryves> TortoiseSVN
17:11 < sir_lewk> ah
17:14 < sir_lewk> oh, for anyone who may care, this patch switches spacehack from the testing level to randomly generated levels leading to other levels.  http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~jlg95/stuff/rand-levels.patch
17:14 < sir_lewk> just switch a comment from one line to another
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18:04  * Merthsoft is back
18:04 < _Auron_> wb
18:06 < Merthsoft> thanks
18:08 < i_c-Y> hello Merthsoft 
18:08 < i_c-Y> so i heard the makefile change i suggested worked
18:08 < Merthsoft> it did yes
18:08 < Merthsoft> you rox
18:08 < i_c-Y> i know.
18:08  * Merthsoft is trying to make breakout with real physics
18:09  * _Auron_ misread that as breakfast
18:09 < _Auron_> "I'm trying to make breakfast.. with REAL physics!"
18:09 < Merthsoft> haha
18:09 < Merthsoft> Math-chex, now with REAL physics! for all your breakfast and math needs
18:11  * Merthsoft is now bored and going to shoot nazis
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18:19 < zeropod> someone version me?
18:20 <@Andy_J> probably the server
18:21 <@benryves> Hm, cool, .NET development on the iPhone. :D
18:21 < zeropod> no. i'm asking someone to version me
18:21 <@Andy_J> benryves: wait, what?
18:22 < i_c-Y> no reply, zeropod 
18:22 <@benryves> Andy_J: Yep, using Mono's static compilation.
18:22 < zeropod> awkward
18:22 <@benryves> Andy_J: Using http://unity3d.com/unity/features/iphone-publishing it would appear.
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18:23 < zeropod> stupid low battey
18:25 < zeropod> i ought to just buy one of the irc clients for ipod/iphone
18:26 < i_c-Y> why?
18:26 < i_c-Y> the iphone doesnt have a space bar
18:26 < i_c-Y> didn't you know that?
18:26 <@Andy_J> needs more ssh client
18:26 < zeropod> looks like it has a space bar to me
18:27 <@Andy_J> he's just trolling
18:27 < i_c-Y> lies. 
18:27 < i_c-Y> cruel accusation, Andy_J 
18:27 <@Andy_J> one of the input methods (mainly URLs) doesn'th ave a spacebar
18:27 < zeropod> andy, i have an ssh client
18:27 <@Andy_J> orly
18:27 <@benryves> Apple's UK keyboards don't have a # key for that matter.
18:28 < zeropod> uhh. space bar for urls too
18:28 < i_c-Y> upgrade to the latest firmware. you'll see what we mean
18:28 < zeropod> 2.2 update fixed things ;)
18:28 < i_c-Y> it doesnt have a space bar
18:28 < zeropod> does for me
18:28 < i_c-Y> ask the people here who were here when i was ircing from my iphone
18:29 < zeropod> and I'm updated
18:29 < i_c-Y> soimonmyiphoneicantuseaspacebarsothisishowihadtosendmessages.
18:29 <@Andy_J> when you claimed to be rather
18:29 < i_c-Y> what, are you doubting my iphoneness?
18:29 < zeropod> maybe you're retarded
18:29 < i_c-Y> dude, im a total mac fanboi!!! i got my ibook and my macbook and my macbook pro 17" and its shiny
18:30 < sir_lewk> BUY an irc client!?!?!
18:30 < sir_lewk> I've *heard* of buying software, but that's just madness
18:30  * chronomex nods quietly
18:30 <@benryves> sir_lewk: Back to mIRC already? :P
18:30 < zeropod> sir_lewk, till they jailbreak the 2nd gen ipod touch...
18:30 < i_c-Y> hello benryves 
18:30 < sir_lewk> touche good sir ;P
18:30 < i_c-Y> zeropod: been done
18:31 <@benryves> 'lo i_c-Y
18:31 < i_c-Y> whats up?
18:31 < zeropod> no it hasn't
18:31 <@Andy_J> just use your ssh client
18:31 <@Andy_J> and run screen+irssi somewhere
18:31 < sir_lewk> they jailbroke the 3g iphone apparently
18:31 < sir_lewk> exactly
18:31 < sir_lewk> what Andy_J said
18:31 <@benryves> i_c-Y: Not much, but I must be off.
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18:31 < sir_lewk> all you need is love
18:32 < sir_lewk> whoops, misspelled ssh again
18:32 < i_c-Y> nooooooooooo benryves! they're undermining my horrific experiences with ircing on an iphone!!!
18:32 < zeropod> andy, free ssh client is super slow and disconnects
18:32 < sir_lewk> my brain has trouble understanding the difference between ssh and love >.>
18:32 <@Andy_J> so buy one <_<
18:32 < i_c-Y> thats because you're a moron, sir_lewk 
18:32 < sir_lewk> buy an ssh client?!?
18:32 < zeropod> irc client is cheaper
18:32 < sir_lewk> now you must be joking
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18:33 <@Andy_J> ssh client is better
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18:33 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: ok, pony up the $100 for  the iphone sdk and I'll write a free ssh client
18:33 < zeropod> fuckin low batt
18:33 < sir_lewk> paying money for an ssh client is about the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard of
18:33 < zeropod> bbl
18:33 <@Andy_J> but then I'd have to find a library that has a compatible license
18:34 < sir_lewk> in fact, paying money for a platform I have to pay money to develop for is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of
18:34 < zeropod> i need a wall charger
18:34 <@Andy_J> so, windows?
18:34 < i_c-Y> you dont need to pay to develop for windows.
18:34 < sir_lewk> doesn't that thing have a freebsd userland buried in there somewhere?  you'd think it already hass openssh
18:34 <@Andy_J> they probably stripped it down
18:35 <@Andy_J> no sense wasting the space if it has no console interface
18:35 < sir_lewk> well surely there is a free terminal emulator
18:35 < _Auron_> sir_lewk: same thing with the 360
18:35 < sir_lewk> just install openssh on it
18:35 < zeropod> its not that simple
18:35 < sir_lewk> right
18:35 < sir_lewk> because it's shit
18:35 < zeropod> iphone is a nitcj
18:35 < sir_lewk> simple is good
18:36 < zeropod> err, bitch
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18:36 < zeropod> i need landscape mode
18:37 < zeropod> http://gyazo.com/ac7ee811f962cbff73773d98d20e527c.png
18:37 < zeropod> oh
18:37 < zeropod> thats what that button does
18:37 < sir_lewk> car analogy time.
18:37 < sir_lewk> you buy a new car.  a real sey bmw or something
18:37 < sir_lewk> gets you all the babes
18:38 < sir_lewk> car dealership sells it to you with gas in the tank
18:38 < zeropod> heh
18:38 < sir_lewk> it's good gas, premium stuff, but it only gets you so far
18:38 < i_c-Y> makes it easier to blow up
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18:39 < sir_lewk> then when you go to the gas station you learn that if you want to fill it back up you have to swipe your credit card and pay BMW *MORE* money to open up the gas tank
18:39 < sir_lewk> that is how stupid paying to write your own software is.
18:40 < i_c-Y> not really. people pay for compilers and stuff for different reasons.
18:40 < i_c-Y> ie. speed, usability, etc.
18:40 < sir_lewk> but nessecity?
18:40 < sir_lewk> that's bullshit
18:40 < i_c-Y> depends on what you want. people paid for solaris for years.
18:41 < sir_lewk> surely solaris came with cc free of charge though
18:41 < sir_lewk> paying for the car is one thing, paying extra to actually use it is another
18:42 < sir_lewk> aaaaaannnnyways
18:42 < sir_lewk> I have a headache today
18:42 < i_c-Y> i think they added a cost to it, atleast for their compiler.
18:43 < sir_lewk> not an obscene price
18:43  * sir_lewk takes a chill pill
18:44 < i_c-Y> depends. do people pay for compilers for say pics? yes.
18:44 < i_c-Y> if people are willing to pay, then buisnesses will charge.
18:44 < sir_lewk> yeah
18:45 < sir_lewk> I just like raging against companies that don't sell products that I am interested in.
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18:47 < tifreak> RAWR! *twitch* -_-
18:47 < sir_lewk> oh gawd it's a raptor, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
18:48 < tifreak> My car broke down.. damn AUTOZONE CRAP!! <_<
18:48 < tifreak> can't trust a simple water pump from them..
18:48 < sir_lewk> D:
18:48 < _Auron_> always buy from dealership and pay 2000% of the cost
18:48 < tifreak> I swear, How. The. FUCK are they still in business?
18:48 < tifreak> <_<
18:49 < sir_lewk> do they actually make things?  I thought they were just a reseller
18:49 < tifreak> All they sell is junk.. and I *had* to have it because no one else had it at the time
18:49 < tifreak> they are.. they are like walmart
18:49 < sir_lewk> ahhh
18:49 < tifreak> they tell the company how much they will pay, so the company gives them the super shitty line
18:49 < tifreak> and is almost always junk
18:50  * tifreak sighs
18:50 < tifreak> what makes it worse, my mom's car is broke down, so she has my truck
18:50 < i_c-Y> you're almost always junk, tifreak 
18:50 < tifreak> I have told her for the last month to go get another car, one worth putting money into
18:51 < tifreak> and she has refused.. thinkin about tellin her to just give me mah keys back, that she is SOL..
18:52 < sir_lewk> eh, do it
18:52 < sir_lewk> I would
18:54 < tifreak> yeah.. only problem with it is is I am living in *her* house.. <_<
18:54 < tifreak> I swear.. I don't have a guardian angel, I have a gaurdian demon..
18:54 < tifreak> And I vants him to show himself.. Will round house kick him so hard even Chuck Norris would be proud..
18:58 < sir_lewk> this is a simple problem
18:58 < sir_lewk> trade her the truck for the house
18:58 < sir_lewk> then make her give you the truck because she's living in your house xD
18:59 < tifreak> rofl
18:59 < tifreak> I doubt that would work XD
19:00 < tifreak> I think I am going to go try to find a sammich real quick like.. all this stress is kickin my stomach in to pissed off mode..
19:16 < Nikky> good idea
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19:23 < sir_lewk> holy fuck I'm bored
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19:24 < Nikky> sir_lewk: You could always cyber with ReDeEm here
19:24 < bsparks> that unity3d thing for iphone looks nifty
19:28 <@E-J> it's just toy
19:28  * E-J is back from estonia
19:29 < ports-> Nikky:  my surgery went well today
19:29 < Nikky> whoo
19:30 <@E-J> ports-: so no changed voice like in that dutch/belgian talkshow video?
19:31 < i_c-Y> E-J: why did you go to estonia?
19:31 < ports-> i dont think so
19:31 < ports-> E-J: i just had some teeth removed
19:32 <@E-J> ah
19:32 <@E-J> ports-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEzi05TXJus this is that video
19:33 < ports-> cant
19:33 < ReDeEm> OH my GOD i_c-Y!
19:33 < ports-> im at work
19:33 < ReDeEm> That is the MOST beautiful Motherboard _ever_.
19:33 <@E-J> ach
19:33 < i_c-Y> E-J: what is it, a 3 hour drive from helsinki to tallinn using a ferry?
19:33 <@E-J> ports-: well that guy had surgery in testicles, which went wrong so his voice is little higher
19:34 <+prime_> o_o
19:34 <@E-J> i_c-Y: i had cruise with other southern finland's nation people
19:34 < i_c-Y> oh
19:35 <@E-J> and yes, something like 3.5 hours
19:35 < i_c-Y> so you didnt actually go into estonia, just estonian waters?
19:35 < i_c-Y> into estonia meaning estonia land
19:35 <@E-J> we went to tallinn and slept in hostel and then today we got back
19:36 < i_c-Y> oh
19:37 <@E-J> normal cruises to tallinn are there, day in tallinn and back home in 20 hours
19:37 < Nikky> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/07/joe-the-plumber-to-become_n_155950.html
19:37 <@E-J> cruise helsinki-stockholm-helsinki is 2 nights
19:38 <@E-J> i_c-Y: most people go to tallinn because alcohol is much cheaper ther
19:38 <@E-J> e
19:38 < Nikky> Everyone loves alcohol
19:39 <@E-J> 24 * 0.33 cans 8.80 euros
19:39 <@E-J> 0.33l*
19:39 < Nikky> <3 E-J 
19:40 <@E-J> <3 Nikky 
19:41 <@E-J> http://www.viinarannasta.ee/index.php?lang=en i don't know if these prices are even cheap compared to us
19:41 <@E-J> usa*
19:42 < Nikky> We get free booze
19:42 < Nikky> part of the government stimpack
19:43 < Nikky> They figure if we can't find jobs, we should at least be happy
19:43 <@E-J> Nikky: try to make citizens as wise as current president
19:43 < Nikky> yep
19:45 < sir_lewk> Nikky: did you see my compare and contrast game last night?
19:45 < Nikky> no
19:46 < sir_lewk> I was pointing out the stark difference in number of references to gaza between drudge and huffington
19:46 < sir_lewk> drudge is pretending nothing is happening
19:46 < Nikky> haha
19:46 < Nikky> I noticed that he was being pretty quiet
19:46 < i_c-Y> E-J: actually looks like they are cheap compared to the USA 
19:46 < Nikky> and kind of like... lulz who cares
19:46 < Nikky> whereas huffpo is crapping its collective pants
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19:47 < sir_lewk> pretty much
19:47 < sir_lewk> I'm really raging at media in general right now
19:47 <@E-J> i_c-Y: and apparently even you won't get those poisons (80% vodka) that they do
19:47 < sir_lewk> opera being fat should be *BURIED* by headlines about gaza
19:48 <@E-J> and also you have to be only 18 to buy those
19:48 < i_c-Y> E-J: we get everclear in the US, 191 proof.
19:49 <@E-J> proof is not a term that i would know
19:49 < i_c-Y> 2 proof = 1 % alcohol by volume.
19:49 < Merthsoft> i just played a game with a guy from the netherlands
19:49 < Merthsoft> his english was not so good
19:49 < sir_lewk> what kind of game?
19:49 < Merthsoft> wolf:et
19:49 < sir_lewk> drinking game?
19:49 < sir_lewk> oh, fun
19:50 < Merthsoft> haha no
19:50 < i_c-Y> for reference, a regular distillation can get roughly 95.6 % ethanol and 4.4% water separation 
19:50 < sir_lewk> wolf:et is fun, I got it with the super iD pack
19:50 < Merthsoft> ah, yes
19:50 <@E-J> Merthsoft: bad like krisk's or bad like mine?
19:50 < i_c-Y> (then it becomes azeotropic and you can do fractional cryztalization to do it)
19:50 < Merthsoft> E-J: worse than either of you
19:51 < Merthsoft> some statements made no sense at all
19:51 <@E-J> give me an example
19:51 < i_c-Y> so, 190 proof alcohol is 95% alcohol. 
19:51 < Merthsoft> uh
19:51 < Merthsoft> i can't
19:51 <@E-J> damn
19:51 < sir_lewk> I never really noticed you or krisk having bad english E-J
19:51 < Merthsoft> i don't remember what he said
19:51 < Merthsoft> yeah what sir_lewk said
19:51 < i_c-Y> E-J sometimes uses awkward wordings, but that's about it.
19:52 < sir_lewk> misplaced word or two on occastion, nothing worse than what I typo on a regular basis ;)
19:52 <@E-J> sir_lewk: i have noticed that krisk doesn't want to type rightly
19:52 < Nikky> Well, English is a really hard language to learn.
19:52 < i_c-Y> there's an example.
19:52 < i_c-Y> correctly.
19:52 < sir_lewk> hmm?
19:52 < i_c-Y> Nikky: ive heard that a lot. :)
19:52 < bsparks> Nobody's english here is worse than Kevin_O's ;)
19:52 < sir_lewk> JUST FUCKIN STOP
19:52 < sir_lewk> lulz
19:52 < i_c-Y> bsparks: his well formed sentences are a work of poetry
19:53 <@E-J> when i don't think in english, i translate in mind and it might be like finnish but in english
19:53 < bsparks> the only 'well formed' sentences I got out of him were from either when he is drunk, or when someone pre-writes or re-translates them :P
19:54 < i_c-Y> we should invite him back here
19:54 < i_c-Y> its been quite peaceful.
19:54 < bsparks> too peaceful
19:54 < i_c-Y> chaos shall reign supreme.
19:55 < i_c-Y> ReDeEm: your parts came in?
19:55 < bsparks> lol, native irssi for iphone
19:55 < sir_lewk> the nice thing about english is that so long as it's comprehensible, it's still english
19:55 <@E-J> bsparks: years ago, when kevin was still here, he spoke ok english
19:55 < sir_lewk> whereas messing up french for example is a mortal sin
19:55 < i_c-Y> how old is kevin ?
19:55 < sir_lewk> 12
19:55 < sir_lewk> no, I don't actaully know
19:56 < i_c-Y> i was think 19 or 20
19:56 < bsparks> E-J, he has issues with past/post/present tense and fem/male adjectives 
19:56 <@E-J> i could see that english isn't his first language but that was only thing
19:56 < i_c-Y> same as duncan.
19:56 < bsparks> i_c-Y, 22 I thought
19:56 < bsparks> lemme check
19:57 < bsparks> yup, 22
19:57 < bsparks> it's sad I know that ._.
19:58 < sir_lewk> lol
19:59 < sir_lewk> I am just 19
19:59 < sir_lewk> a little young noobling :(
19:59 <@E-J> yeah, teen
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20:00 < sir_lewk> it's true :(
20:02 < bsparks> Andy_J, http://pure-mac.com/iphone/remote.html#openssh
20:03 <@Andy_J> screw jailbreaking
20:03 < bsparks> ok
20:03 < bsparks> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=286623227&mt=8
20:07 < sir_lewk> screw apple
20:07 < bsparks> well, you only have 2 choices [ unless you own iPod touch 2g ], either play by apple's rules or jailbreak
20:09 <@Andy_J> stop giving fucking itunes links <_<
20:09 < bsparks> I gave one iTunes link ._.
20:09 <@Andy_J> itunes links should be itunes:// not masquarding as http links
20:09 < i_c-Y> ReDeEm: also remember to use a soldering iron to remove the socket properly.
20:10 < i_c-Y> wow. asus is trying too hard on their marketing. i mean 'dark knight'? plz.
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20:15 < bsparks> woo, here we go >.>
20:16 < bsparks> darwinports to the rescue?
20:16 <@E-J> aardvarq to the resque
20:17 < bsparks> wat ._.
20:17 < bsparks> errors installing ._.
20:17 < bsparks> oh.
20:17 < bsparks> ffs
20:18 < i_c-Y> i see quoteurl works now.
20:19 < aardvarq> I thought I fixed that like 6 months ago.
20:19 < aardvarq> Was it down recently?
20:20 < aardvarq> !seen efneTI83
20:20 <@efneTI86> efneTI83 (aardrop@c-24-9-91-223.hsd1.co.comcast.net) was last seen quitting from #calcs2 6 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes ago stating (Read error: Operation timed out).
20:21 < i_c-Y> url expiration or something
20:23 < bsparks> god some websites are fucking retarded
20:24 < bsparks> "you're using OS X 10.4.x Tiger!" I know this "click here to download darwinports" and what is it? one for 10.5 >.< 
20:24 < bsparks> wtf
20:24 <@Andy_J> clearly that's a mistake
20:24 <@Andy_J> so you should tell them about it
20:24 <@Andy_J> that isn't "retarded" by any definition of the term
20:24 < bsparks> awww, fuck
20:25 < bsparks> I can't install darwinports because I installed macports in x11? really
20:25 < bsparks> "you cannot continue, there is nothing to install!"
20:25 <@Andy_J> darwinports and macports are the same thing
20:25 < bsparks> I know this
20:26 < bsparks> but darwinports installs in OS X macports needs x11, right?
20:26 <@Andy_J> what?
20:26 < bsparks> cause the only way I got macports to install was in x11
20:26 <@Andy_J> that line makes no sense
20:26 < sir_lewk> Vala is a really cool language
20:26 <@Andy_J> no?
20:26 <@Andy_J> you double-click the dpkg and oh hey look it installs itself in such a way that any terminal emulator can use it
20:27 < bsparks> hmm, nice
20:32 < bsparks> what ._.
20:32 < bsparks> it won't selfupdate
20:32 <@Andy_J> sudo
20:32 < bsparks> I did
20:32 <@Andy_J> -v
20:32 < bsparks> same bunch of errors
20:33 <@Andy_J> sudo port -v selfupdate
20:33 < bsparks> I did that
20:33 <@Andy_J> then figure out how to fix the verbose error <_<
20:33 < bsparks> I get like, 10 errors
20:33 < bsparks> library not loaded
20:33 < bsparks> failed to initalize macports
20:34 < bsparks> image not found a couple of times o.0
20:37 < bsparks> help me out here. I downloaded the darwinports dmg [ bear with me ] last one for tiger, macports 1.5.0, and it says I have a newer version already installed
20:37 < bsparks> but everything after 1.5.0 is for Leopard 
20:38 < i_c-Y> solution: switch to fink
20:38 <@Andy_J> moment
20:38 < bsparks> I might have installed fink aswell along the way
20:38 < i_c-Y> solution: switch to pkgsrc
20:39 < i_c-Y> solution: Get a real computer.
20:39 < bsparks> ah, nope, never went for fink
20:39 <@Andy_J> bsparks: clearly 1.7 will run on tiger
20:39 <@Andy_J> as that's what's on my tigerbox
20:39 < bsparks> Andy_J, it will?
20:39 < bsparks> hmmm.
20:39 <@Andy_J> MacPorts base version 1.700 installed
20:39 <@Andy_J> Downloaded MacPorts base version 1.700
20:39 <@Andy_J> The MacPorts installation is not outdated so it was not updated
20:39 <@Andy_J> {503} ajanata@hughes:~$ uname -a
20:39 <@Andy_J> Darwin hughes 8.11.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.11.0: Wed Oct 10 18:26:00 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.24.17~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc
20:39 < bsparks> well, I can't selfupdate
20:40 <@Andy_J> you may have fucked over the state
20:40 <@Andy_J> I installed 1.5 probably many moons ago
20:40 <@Andy_J> and it's updated itself to 1.7
20:40 < bsparks> so I need to remove macports and start over?
20:40 <@Andy_J> wouldn't hurt
20:40 < bsparks> how would I go about that ._.
20:41 < bsparks> rm /usr/?
20:41 <@Andy_J> LOL NO
20:41 < bsparks> or, no
20:41 < bsparks> not the entire directory
20:41 < bsparks> I am trying to figure out the specific directory
20:41 < bsparks> I thought it was usr/local/ something
20:41 <@Andy_J> /opt/local
20:41 <@Andy_J> but don't just rm -rf it
20:41 < bsparks> oh
20:42 <@Andy_J> dunno
20:42 <@Andy_J> google it
20:42 < bsparks> sudo rm -rf /opt/local /Applications/DarwinPorts /Library/Tcl/ 
20:42 < bsparks> darwinports1.0 /Library/StartupItems/DarwinPortsStartup
20:42 < bsparks> maybe?
20:42 < Merthsoft> i know what you need to do
20:42 < bsparks> well, macports instead of darwinports, but still
20:45 < sir_lewk> just `rm -rf /`
20:45 < bsparks> sir_lewk, howabout no
20:45 < sir_lewk> nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure
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20:46 < bsparks> >.<
20:47 < i_c-Y> you show yourself again, |ReDeEm| 
20:48 < bsparks> wtf >.<
20:48 < i_c-Y> sir_lewk: ok, prior to that though set the schg flag on everything.
20:51 <@Andy_J> I actually don't see how one can unlink /
20:51 <@Andy_J> it isn't a real node
20:52 < bsparks> *waits for 1.7 to install*
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20:55 < bsparks> Andy_J, did you install irssi from macports?
20:55 <@Andy_J> yes
20:55 < bsparks> just sudo port install irssi?
20:55 <@Andy_J> yes
20:56 < bsparks> hey, I'm remembering things from dealin with linux o.o
20:56 < bsparks> I feel smat
20:56 < bsparks> err, smart..
20:56 <@Andy_J> I actually did configure, then hacked in a patch to make /ignore work with the hilight level, then went from there
20:56 <@Andy_J> but that is not required
20:56 < bsparks> I just want to see if I can get irssi working over ssh from my ipod
20:56 < bsparks> I was also considering emacs
20:57 < bsparks> someone here uses eirc I thought
20:57 <@Andy_J> screen is already there so you don't need to install it
20:57 < bsparks> ok
20:57 < i_c-Y> rcirc you mean
20:59 < sir_lewk> wtf, someone here uses emacs for irc?
20:59 < sir_lewk> please forward my deepest of condolences
20:59 < bsparks> I thought so, they always quit with a message about emacs irc client
21:00 < sir_lewk> emacs is soooo terrible...
21:00 < bsparks> has some cool games
21:00 < sir_lewk> lol
21:00 < sir_lewk> we are talking about a text editor...
21:01 < bsparks> still has cool games
21:01 < sir_lewk> it's a shoddy text editor with a bunch of other crap pinned onto it
21:01 < sir_lewk> a polished turd is still a turd though
21:02 < bsparks> I liked it better than, say, using ZZT to edit text
21:02 < sir_lewk> I'd rather use ed than emacs
21:02 < bsparks> I just like that I can use it from my ipod
21:03 < sir_lewk> you could do that with vim ;P
21:03 < bsparks> no I couldn't
21:04 < sir_lewk> why not?
21:05 < bsparks> last time I saw vim was on a commedore cd32 o.o
21:05 < i_c-Y> ..
21:05 < sir_lewk> ...
21:05 < i_c-Y> some vi clone is on pretty much every *nix system these days
21:05 < bsparks> I mean, I could ssh into the cd32, but still
21:05 < bsparks> oh, it is?
21:05 < sir_lewk> vi is part of POSIX, MacOSX should have some sort of vi already
21:05 < bsparks> learn somethin new every day
21:06 <@Andy_J> it does
21:06 <@Andy_J> it has emacs too
21:06 <@Andy_J> {501} ajanata@hughes:~$ which vi
21:06 <@Andy_J> which emacs/usr/bin/vi
21:06 <@Andy_J> {502} ajanata@hughes:~$ which emacs
21:06 <@Andy_J> /usr/bin/emacs
21:06 < sir_lewk> vim is the most popular vi clone, basically vi++
21:06 < i_c-Y> single UNIX spec says you have to have vi,  but who cares.
21:07 < sir_lewk> emacs isn't posix but it has a lot of history behind it
21:07 <@Andy_J> it has vim
21:07 <@Andy_J> and gun emacs
21:08 < sir_lewk> well thar you go
21:08 <@Andy_J> *gnu
21:08 < sir_lewk> "gun emacs" is that ESR's fork of emacs or something? ;P
21:08 < bsparks> I miss the days when an OS was all just fancy coloured ASCII and when you needed hardware modules to control a mouse
21:09 < sir_lewk> I miss teletype terminals
21:09 < bsparks> I wouldn't go that far
21:09 < sir_lewk> I miss memory cores and drums
21:10 < sir_lewk> I also miss electromechanical relays
21:10 < bsparks> what are you? 80?
21:10 <@Andy_J> I miss the "more magic" switch
21:10 < sir_lewk> :P
21:10 < bsparks> Andy_J, I still have a box with one
21:11 <@Andy_J> whatever you do, don't switch it from more mag!
21:11 <@Andy_J> *magic
21:11 < bsparks> boosts to 33mhz
21:11 < sir_lewk> my grandfather got a job for ibm designing relays :)
21:11 <@Andy_J> synergy seems to be dropping keys today.
21:11 < i_c-Y> solution: get a PC
21:11 < sir_lewk> synergy freaks out when I'm using vmware on the guest
21:12 < bsparks> woah, $100 software for iphone o.0
21:12 < sir_lewk> wtf
21:12 < bsparks> some DJ thing
21:12 < sir_lewk> that software better get you laid or something for that much money
21:12 < bsparks> it might
21:13 < bsparks> good DJs get laid
21:13 < sir_lewk> good DJs have good equipment, not iphones ;P
21:13 < bsparks> multi-touch
21:13 < bsparks> can do a lot
21:14 < sir_lewk> also, good DJs actually still live in their mothers basement but because they are good they can't let on that they aren't actually cool
21:14 < bsparks> really? who knew
21:14 < sir_lewk> that's how these things work
21:14 < bsparks> WTF ._. Pandora is CLOSED and it's still playing
21:15 < bsparks> like, the process is dead
21:15 < bsparks> forced quit
21:15 < sir_lewk> people in public positions, especially those in the entertainment business, always need to present themselves as more important/popular/cool than they really are
21:15 < sir_lewk> bsparks: well clearly it isn't
21:15 < bsparks> oh, it is o.o
21:16 < sir_lewk> something is still sending sound to your audio card
21:16 < bsparks> pandora caches afaik
21:16 < bsparks> maybe it's that
21:16 < sir_lewk> you probably have deamons in you computer
21:16 < bsparks> but it's like, the entire fucking song o.o and a really bad one
21:16 < sir_lewk> google as many deamons as you can find and kill them all
21:16 < sir_lewk> `init` is a really nasty one I hear
21:17 < bsparks> at least it isn't as bad as yesterday >.<
21:17 < sir_lewk> `sudo kill -9 init`
21:18  * sir_lewk wonders if you could actually do that...
21:18 < i_c-Y> try it
21:19 < i_c-Y> also try cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp
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21:19 < bsparks> this is taking forever -.- stupid irssi
21:19 < sir_lewk> my work computer has a 49 day uptime, otherwise I'd do it
21:21 < ports-> sir_lewk:  ill crash you
21:21 < sir_lewk> do it
21:21 < sir_lewk> my ip is 127.0.0.1
21:21 < bsparks> odd
21:22 < ports-> mine is too
21:22 < sir_lewk> nah, that' all mine
21:22 < sir_lewk> I already hacked all your boxen
21:22 < sir_lewk> when I hack you you get my ip address
21:22 < sir_lewk> duh
21:22 < bsparks> quick, someone ssh into sir_lewk 
21:23 < bsparks> and cause his major segfault
21:23 < sir_lewk> lol
21:23 < sir_lewk> my computer is named 'major' :)
21:23 < Tari> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp works better
21:23 < Tari> won't block
21:24 < sir_lewk> cat /boot/yourkernel > /dev/dsp is the best ;P
21:24 < bsparks> really... damn you apple
21:24 < bsparks> someone released an app in the store called hackboy
21:25 < bsparks> by synapticats
21:25 < bsparks> [ really? ]
21:25 < sir_lewk>  what does it do?
21:25 < bsparks> it gives you possible passwords for the terminals in fallout 3
21:25 < sir_lewk> lame
21:25 < bsparks> which is GAY
21:26 < bsparks> do not name your product with misleading names
21:26 < bsparks> and to not use misleading 'business' names
21:26 < sir_lewk> so it's basically just a list of text?
21:26 < bsparks> pretty much
21:26 < bsparks> for $199
21:26 < bsparks> *$1.99
21:26 < sir_lewk> wtf
21:26 < sir_lewk> oh
21:26 < sir_lewk> still lame
21:26 < sir_lewk> $2 for a stupid text file
21:27 < bsparks> too much crapware
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21:29 < bsparks> for $6 you can get a cad app
21:30 < sir_lewk> what does it do, draw rectangles?
21:31 < bsparks> you bet your ass! filled, empty, or with eifferent lines!
21:31 < bsparks> *different
21:31 < sir_lewk> lulz
21:33 < bsparks> but for free you can get a program that will identify songs for you, or free IM/SIP/VoIP, or a free copy of Adventure for the 2600, or a free 'ddr' clone, a blogging app, irc client, wikipedia portal
21:33 < bsparks> etc
21:33 < bsparks> I don't get it
21:34 < bsparks> ohshit o.o just got my iTunes receipt
21:35 < bsparks> 214 apps, and 1 video lol
21:35 <@E-J> JoelS: why doesn't fb load some pictures
21:35 <@E-J> i mean show after loading
21:35 <@E-J> it shows them randomly
21:36 <@E-J> http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/album.php?aid=71337&id=509180562 example here
21:37 < bsparks> is loadin them all for me so far
21:37 < bsparks> I lied o.o
21:38 < Nikky> because facebook sucks?
21:38 < Nikky> At least *myspace* can get images to load.
21:38 <@E-J> if someone wonders where those pictures are from: they are from that cruise i got back today
21:38 <@E-J> some from boat and some from tallinn
21:40 < bsparks> who the hell would charge for a SLIDE RULE?
21:40 < i_c-Y> why not?
21:44 < sir_lewk> I still don't understand this "paying for software" dealio
21:44 < Nikky> you wouldn't
21:44 < bsparks> you make software, and in some cases it's your JOB
21:44 < bsparks> how does one get paid from ther JOB? if their JOB takes in money
21:44 < bsparks> if someone's JOB is to make software, then their JOB is to get someone to pay for something they make
21:45 < sir_lewk> my job is to make software that alows my company to function
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21:46 < sir_lewk> technology is a tool, not a solution
21:46 < bsparks> then someone somewhere is, in reality, paying for software
21:46 < sir_lewk> erm
21:46 < sir_lewk> no
21:46 < bsparks> yes
21:46 < sir_lewk> they pay for the hardware
21:46 < bsparks> what does your company do?
21:46 < sir_lewk> make hardware
21:46 < sir_lewk> patton dot com
21:46 < bsparks> ok, so Bob buys a piece of hardware
21:46 <@E-J> sir_lewk: when you are older and when you are in job making programs that you know that 90% of users will download illegally and that 90% is off your wage
21:47 < i_c-Y> E-J: you're assuming he gets a job :)
21:47 < bsparks> with the income from that piece of hardware, part [ however small ] goes into paying wages. You get paid by your company, don't you sir_lewk?
21:47 < sir_lewk> oh trust me. I absolutely despise people who pirate software
21:47 <@E-J> i_c-Y: your system encourages people to get a job
21:47 < sir_lewk> especially people who defend software that is absurdly overpriced because "it's free if you pirate it"
21:48 <@E-J> alas, our doesn't
21:48 < i_c-Y> E-J: of course. because under my system, people would die if they tried to mooch off the government
21:48 < i_c-Y> taken out back and shot.
21:48 < sir_lewk> republican
21:48 < sir_lewk> actually, that's not a bad idea
21:49 < sir_lewk> 99.99999% of all politicians mooch off the government
21:49 <@E-J> in finland some parts of system doesn't encourage people to get work because they lose some benefits
21:49 < bsparks> good lord how long does it take irssi to install and compile etc etc etcx
21:49 <@E-J> maybe even money
21:50 < bsparks> In soviet russia software pays you!
21:50 < bsparks> oh, wait
21:50 <@E-J> mythbusters ->
21:50 < bsparks> ?
21:50 < sir_lewk> only took me a few minutes to build irssi
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21:51 < sir_lewk> installing stuff in linux takes seconds max
21:51 < Nikky> haha, irssi
21:51 -!- mode/#tcpa [+v HelDragon] by efneTI85
21:51 < sir_lewk> just copying files
21:51 < Nikky> what a loser
21:51 < bsparks> it's been downloading and installing stuff for almost an hour
21:51 < bsparks> expat
21:51 < bsparks> gperf, libconv, ncurses, ncursew
21:51 < Nikky> the hell
21:51 < sir_lewk> aaah
21:51 < bsparks> gettext
21:51 < Nikky> are you compiling on a Pentium I?
21:52 < sir_lewk> well that's because you don't have shit for dependancies already installed
21:52 < bsparks> ah
21:52 < bsparks> that'd make sense
21:52 < sir_lewk> any linux system would have that stuff already ;P
21:52 < bsparks> probably
21:52 < Nikky> yep
21:52 < Nikky> except maybe ubuntu
21:52 < bsparks> only other system I ran irssi on was windows
21:52 < sir_lewk> I'm guessing it's probably building that stuff too
21:52 < sir_lewk> eeg
21:53 < bsparks> yup
21:53 < sir_lewk> yuckers
21:53 < sir_lewk> this is macosx?
21:53 < Nikky> yeah
21:53 < sir_lewk> I can't imagine that's the easiest way to do that O.o
21:53 < Nikky> tr1p1ea
21:55 < bsparks> Today, popular interest in the typing monkeys is sustained by numerous appearances in literature, television, radio, music, and the Internet. In 2003, an experiment was performed with six Celebes Crested Macaques, but their literary contribution was five pages consisting largely of the letter 'S'.
21:56 < sir_lewk> that is of course the best letter
21:56 < sir_lewk> even monkeys know this
21:57 <@E-J> sir_lewk: in osx apple thinks that most software that people use with it is bought and terminal is not needed so everytime you use terminal programs or some free programs or not mac programs, you get troubled
21:57 < Nikky> Apple does know best
21:57 <@E-J> bsparks: why don't you use http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/20800
21:58 < bsparks> because I want it to run in my terminal?
21:58 < i_c-Y> just install it from fink.
21:58 < bsparks> i_c-Y, I would still need to install dependancies 
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22:03 <@Andy_J> sir_lewk: well the point of macports is to compile everything locally a la ports >_>
22:06 < Nikky> If you want to compile anything, don't use a damned mac
22:06 < Nikky> sheesh
22:07 < Nikky> You people think "oooo it has a shitty unix base, so it's just like unix in all ways!"
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22:07 <@Andy_J> you're just sore because windows's POSIX subsystem is balls
22:07 < Nikky> I don't use windows.
22:07 < Nikky> I don't claim that windows is good at anything.
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22:18 < sir_lewk> also POSIX and windows should never be used in the same sentance
22:18 < sir_lewk> a large part of POSIX, besides just system calls, is a compliant userland
22:18 < sir_lewk> windows doesn't even *attempt* that
22:19 < i_c-Y> who cares? most of the windows userbase doesnt. 
22:19  * sir_lewk --> home
22:19 < sir_lewk> and I don't care if they don't care
22:19 < bsparks> sir_lewk, nobody cared
22:20 < sir_lewk> correct
22:20 < sir_lewk> glad we cleared that up
22:20 < i_c-Y> so stop complaining about things that are irrelevant to the userbase.
22:20 < sir_lewk> my only point is they should either try to be posix or not.  make up their damn minds
22:21 < Nikky> Your mom.
22:21 < sir_lewk> hot
22:21 < bsparks> you all need to just fuckin stop
22:21 < Nikky> Indeed.
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22:25 < Ovan> would anybody have any suggestions for a z80 IDE
22:25 < Nikky> zilog development studio
22:25 < i_c-Y> Ovan: latenite
22:26 < i_c-Y> by BDryves.
22:26 < i_c-Y> http://www.benryves.com/products/latenite
22:26 < Ovan> tried latenite, if I could get it to work, that would be my choose
22:26 < Ovan> *choice
22:27 < bsparks> woo, good music
22:27 <+kirsk> genre?
22:28 < i_c-Y> ALT GOTH METAL, of course
22:28 < bsparks> idk, 'crap'?
22:29 < bsparks> np: Killers - These Things I've Done
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22:32 < bsparks> woo, glib =/
22:37 < Nikky> hey Merthsoft & Damakaru 
22:37 < Damakaru> Hello.
22:38 < bsparks> go glib go
22:38 < Merthsoft> hi
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22:43 <@E-J> ah this sounds like depence mode + u2
22:43 < bsparks> E-J, what does?
22:44 <@E-J> killers
22:44 <@E-J> checked from myspace
22:44 < bsparks> ah
22:44 < i_c-Y> depeche mode sounds better than the killers.
22:44 < bsparks> some of their stuff does yeah
22:44 < bsparks> Postal Service is better than depeche mode
22:44 <@E-J> little more rock than either of those
22:44 <@E-J> not my cup of tea
22:44 < Merthsoft> <3 depeche mode
22:45 < Merthsoft> i apparently havve 11.3 seconds of lag
22:45 <@E-J> np. Metsatöll - Rauast Sõnad
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22:47 <@E-J> this is more my cup of tea even though i don't understand most of the words
22:50 < bsparks> things like bumptop and tileUI annoy the shit out of me
22:52 < Nikky> :(
22:52 <+metagross> yo!
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22:53 < bsparks> bumptop has a mac version, but nothing from the signup yet [ been about 3 months ] and tileUI is awesome, works as an OS X app, but the developer won't share o.0
22:54 < i_c-Y> np: Dark Tranquility - Ex Nihilo
22:55  * Nikky np: <3 i_c-Y - The i_c-Y Fan Club
22:56 < i_c-Y> :)
23:02 < _Auron_> Echochrome's music is yummy
23:02 < bsparks> openssl, wooo
23:07 < bsparks> go hour 2 go
23:07 < Damakaru> I wonder if there's a search engine where I could put in an artist, and it will give me artist similar to that one whose music is free to download (Creative Commons or otherwise).
23:08 < bsparks> try music genome project? :)
23:09 < ports-> hi
23:09 < ports-> anyone watched the show Gossip Girl?
23:10 < i_c-Y> Damakaru: you could use last.fm and last.fm ripper.
23:12 <@E-J> last.fm is good
23:12 < Damakaru> "Please be aware that recordings of radio streams, may NOT be legal [...]"
23:12 < Nikky> duh
23:12 < i_c-Y> its okay Damakaru , im not reccomending it
23:12 < i_c-Y> crime doesnt pay
23:12 <@E-J> though with not-english music it is (or at least was) bad with those similarities
23:14 <@E-J> hmmm, now it's about ok
23:14 <+kirsk> emphasis should be on may not on not
23:15 < Damakaru> Huh?
23:15 <@E-J> i have been listening to estonian language music and folk metal this week and last.fm recomends me taak and kivimetsän druidi
23:16 < bsparks> Damakaru, "Please be aware that recordings of radio streams, MAY not be legal [...]"
23:23 < bsparks> http://dvice.com/archives/2008/06/icooly_delivers.php want o.o
23:24 <@Andy_J> "may"? of course it isn't legal
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23:26 <+kirsk> I dont see how recording tv or audio streams isnt legal
23:26 <@Andy_J> tv is fine
23:26 <@Andy_J> internet radio, not so much
23:26 <@E-J> Andy_J: it is legal somewhere
23:26 <+kirsk> bsparks: is that actually a touchscreen cover or just a cover/case ?
23:26 < Damakaru> Probably not in the US.  Dunno about where you are.
23:26 < Damakaru> [Krisk]
23:27 < bsparks> kirsk, it's a stand
23:27 <+kirsk> oh
23:27 < bsparks> I have yet to see a decent stand/cover/case
23:27 <+kirsk> oh its for ipod
23:27 < _Auron_> no
23:27 < _Auron_> itouch
23:27 < Nikky> lulz ipod
23:27 < bsparks> they make it for ipod/iphone but yeah
23:27 <+kirsk> lolpple
23:27 < _Auron_> oh
23:28 < Nikky> lulz apple is lamesauce
23:28 < _Auron_> $50 for a stand smaller than my hand :P
23:28 < _Auron_> amusing
23:28 <+kirsk> why is tv recording ok but internet radio not? (normal radio is ok too right?)
23:28 < bsparks> I could make one for cheaper :)
23:28 < _Auron_> bsparks: $15 or less? :P
23:29 <+kirsk> strategically fold some paperclips
23:29 < bsparks> _Auron_, and make it good, no?
23:29 <+kirsk> ta-da
23:29 < bsparks> kirsk, I would have it raised, and rotatable
23:29 < bsparks> so a bit more than paperclips
23:31 < Ovan> Nikky, where is the latest version of Zilog Development Studio... I've found there webpage but I am confused as to what to download
23:31 < Nikky> dunno
23:33 < Nikky> just fuckin' stop!
23:34 < Merthsoft> why would you want to use that
23:34 < Nikky> because BrandonW uses it
23:34 < Ovan> he's the one who suggested
23:34 < Ovan> + it
23:34 < Merthsoft> but there are better things to use
23:35 < Ovan> would you mind sharing?
23:35 < Merthsoft> i just use spasm
23:36 < bsparks> woo hoo!
23:36 < bsparks> it's DONE
23:36 < Ovan> ah
23:36 < Ovan> I was looking for a IDE
23:36 < Ovan> I use spasm and brass3, depends on what the program is
23:37 < Merthsoft> oh
23:37 <@Andy_J> one of the revsoft guys made an IDE to use with spasm, dunno if it works on windows though
23:37  * _Auron_ just changed a wallpaper to suit him quite a lot better
23:37 < Ovan> ah
23:41 <@E-J> Merthsoft: in estonia they sell wienies with guarana, caffeine and taurin inside
23:41 < Merthsoft> whoa
23:41 < _Auron_> http://darkauron.dyshost.com/Images/Wallpaper/thecomb1600.jpg <-- original; mine --> http://darkauron.dyshost.com/Images/Wallpaper/thecomb1600_grn.jpg
23:41 < Merthsoft> is that where you are now?
23:42 <@E-J> nope, that's where i was yesterday and today
23:43 <@E-J> there are those pictures i posted to facebook just a moment ago
23:44 <@E-J> estonia is country just south from finland
23:44 <+kirsk> how much work did that take _Auron_
23:44 < bsparks> about damn time it works ._.
23:44 < bsparks> that was too simple and quick
23:46 < Merthsoft> did you get some to send to me
23:46 <@E-J> sorry
23:46 < _Auron_> um not much
23:46 <@E-J> didn't saw them myself, some other guy said about them
23:46 < Merthsoft> E-J: Virkailijaristeily?
23:46 <@E-J> that one
23:47 < _Auron_> but using as a wallpaper with my icons at the topleft with the bright orange was annoying, and I like green more
23:47 <+kirsk> ah
23:47 < _Auron_> so I just ran a gradiant and did a hue change, but I took out the text at the bottomright (though I could have done better on it, eh :P)
23:48 < Merthsoft> E-J: You look the same in all your profile pics
23:48 < Merthsoft> smae face
23:48 <@E-J> well most of them are from same trip
23:48 <+kirsk> ah yeah
23:48 <@E-J> did you check "kauhugalleria"
23:49 < _Auron_> also the glowing combs distracted from the detail of the less-lit ones, so I figured that was better to do anyways.
23:50 < Merthsoft> um
23:51 <@E-J> Merthsoft: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=1317283&id=509180562 especially this
23:51 <+kirsk> http://24.132.239.72/desktop.JPG
23:51 <@E-J> that's from youngest to oldest
23:51 < _Auron_> omfg pretty sunset outside
23:51 <+kirsk> think ive finally found a nice theme to use
23:51 < _Auron_> brb
23:52 < Merthsoft> second one you look really angry
23:52 <+kirsk> and i found launchy and vistasnap which are pretty handy
23:52 <@E-J> well i don't like to laught in pictures :)
23:53 <+prime_> brb, pizza
23:53 <@E-J> in army picture i have heterotropia in eyes
23:54 <@E-J> or strabismus
23:54 < Merthsoft> have what now
23:54 < _Auron_> lol my camera blows
23:55 <@E-J> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterotropia
23:55 <@E-J> _Auron_: blows?
23:56 <@E-J> with my old camera i had sometimes little smoke coming from flash
23:56 <@E-J> flash still works so maybe it was burning dust or something
23:57 < _Auron_> E-J: it's not a good camera
23:57 < _Auron_> as in, image quality is not good
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23:59 <@E-J> ah
23:59 <@E-J> which camera?
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