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[00:00:42] <@efneTI92> [Spengo] so when are we going to ban infolines?
[00:01:01] < i_c-Y> points for being the lamest pseudometal band.
[00:01:29] <@benryves> I was referring to the YouTube video.
[00:01:40] < i_c-Y> yeah, i know
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[00:07:16] <+ports> yo
[00:07:36] < i_c-Y> sup ho
[00:08:23] <+ports> nadda you
[00:08:57] <+Merth> I just lost the game...
[00:09:25] <+ports> what game
[00:09:45] < Ox40> Who was that here who liked alt chicks?
[00:10:17] <+Merth> i like alt chicks
[00:10:47] < Ox40> Heh, I just discovered that I like 'punk' chicks.
[00:11:03] <+Merth> who doesn't
[00:11:15] < Ox40> :P
[00:11:22] <+Merth> i'm pretty sure i just like everyone
[00:11:28] < prime_> what about metal chicks?
[00:11:44] < prime_> /krisk
[00:11:44] < Spengo> I like chicks with guns
[00:11:54] <+Merth> like the chick from nightwish?
[00:11:57] < Spengo> the ones who know how to use them usually aren't alt/punk/goth or whatever you want to call it
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[00:12:10] < Ox40> yeah, him
[00:12:12] < i_c-Y> i firmly believe bitches belong in the kitchen.
[00:12:24] < prime_> or the bedroom
[00:12:25] < Spengo> the rest just display horrible trigger and muzzle discipline that makes me wish they would just shoot themselves in the foot already and get it over with
[00:12:25] < jeph> Hey, I don't know if anyone remembers me, but I somehow got a C in Algebra II, so thanks haha
[00:12:26] < Ox40> :P
[00:12:34] < Nikky> Punk chicks?
[00:12:36] < Nikky> Ick
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[00:12:44] < prime_> haha, cause of all your programs
[00:12:47] < Ox40> mmmm de-licious
[00:12:52] < prime_> still thinking about going into CS?
[00:13:07] < Nikky> I suggest PS
[00:13:13] < Milyardo> Nikky?
[00:13:14] < Milyardo> Ick
[00:13:17] <@benryves> Boo CS. :(
[00:13:23] < prime_> the S in PS isnt even real S
[00:13:25] < Nikky> Milyardo? Yuck
[00:13:26] < jeph> Prime_, me? I'd say yes
[00:13:44] < prime_> jeph: well good fucking luck, you are definitely going to need it
[00:13:44] < Spengo> yay CS
[00:13:45] <@benryves> Well, anything that ends in S, really. If it ends in an E that's not so bad. :P
[00:13:56] < prime_> benryves: furtroo
[00:14:16] < jeph> You get an HD set-top box from Comcsat. It has a DVI or HDMI out, you have an HDCP compliant compliant LCD monitor with a lower-than 1080i resolution. Will the set-top box and the monitor negotiate to a lower resolution?
[00:14:28] < i_c-Y> what do you think?
[00:14:34] < Nikky> (try it and see)
[00:14:35] < Spengo> C in algebra II isn't that good...
[00:14:50] < Ox40> I failed it once
[00:14:56] < jeph> I was hoping to fail
[00:15:05] < Ox40> But that's because I spend all of 2nd Semester making Windows: TI Edition.
[00:15:05] < Spengo> wha?
[00:15:06] < jeph> after a while, I was like, I just need to retake this
[00:16:06] <+ports> yay
[00:16:07] < jeph> In theory the Comcast box *should* do that, but HDCP is such sticky business I'm nervous about doing so, let me point out I don't have the monitor or the HD box yet =) but I have the mounting kit and the speakers, so it's beyond pipe dream or RMA at this point
[00:16:12] <+ports> strawberry fruit snack
[00:16:52] <+Merth> strawberry fields forever
[00:17:00] <+ports> mmm pussy
[00:17:34] < Milyardo> HDMI w00t
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[00:18:06] < Spengo> Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to
[00:18:13] < Milyardo> Comcast is EVIL
[00:18:15] < Spengo> Strawberry Fields
[00:18:38] < jeph> Milyardo, ISP's are like government, you can't really win
[00:18:55] < Spengo> yeah you can
[00:18:57] < Milyardo> LIES
[00:19:00] < Spengo> there's that awesome russian one
[00:19:02] < i_c-Y> verizon is awesome
[00:19:06] < Spengo> that all the spammers and CP people use
[00:19:12] < Spengo> verizon sucks ass
[00:19:15] < Milyardo> Verizion as an ISP is awesome
[00:19:19] < Spengo> it's just significantly better than comcast is all
[00:19:25] < Nikky> No, Verizon as an ISP sucks
[00:19:29] < Milyardo> Verizion Wireless == fail
[00:19:30] < Nikky> Verizon as a cell phone company rules
[00:19:35] < Nikky> YOU HAVE IT BACKWARDS
[00:19:36] < Spengo> verizon is terrible as an ISP
[00:19:40] < Milyardo> YOU AHVE IT BACKWARDS
[00:19:52] < Spengo> they have the worst customer service ever and they make so many mistakes it isn't funny
[00:19:58] < Nikky> yeah, seriously
[00:20:04] < Nikky> their wired division sucks
[00:20:09] < Spengo> BUT they have FiOS and they don't try to stop p2p
[00:20:12] < _Auron_> lol
[00:20:18] < _Auron_> so if it's working it's amazing
[00:20:19] < Spengo> which makes them vastly superior to comcast
[00:20:21] < i_c-Y> <Spengo> that all the spammers and CP people use < you are presumably part of the latter group?
[00:20:27] < Milyardo> my dad works fur Verizon as an ISP ;-;
[00:20:42] < i_c-Y> and your mom works as a prostitute
[00:20:44] < i_c-Y> we dont care.
[00:22:00] < Milyardo> OC > DOCSIS
[00:22:02] < Milyardo> period
[00:22:18] < Nikky> lollolol
[00:24:29] < Milyardo> Seriously OC-48 vs DOCSIS-38
[00:24:41] < Milyardo> *DOCSIS-3.8
[00:25:09] < prime_> aol > anything
[00:25:17] < Nikky> agreed
[00:26:11] < Milyardo> While it may be true ATM Verizion FiOS may only be at best a OC-4c ATM
[00:26:35] < Milyardo> it won't belong until they're upgraded to 12s, 24s and maybe 48s
[00:26:35] < Nikky> ATM, of course
[00:27:33] < Milyardo> They already have 12s and 24s in New York, but they're selling them as non-decicated lines
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[00:28:10] < Milyardo> DOCSIS is stuck where it is, it can't go anywhere
[00:28:32] < Milyardo> Which is why comcast is behaving like the raving lunatic of an ISP
[00:29:32] < prime_> commycast
[00:29:38] < prime_> commiecast
[00:30:18]  * Nikky kisses prime_ 
[00:31:03] < Milyardo> OF Course though DOCSIS is cheaper than Fiber, though Comcast will never lower thier prices
[00:31:24] < Milyardo> even if FiOS is cheaper than their service now
[00:31:50] < Milyardo> (depending on the region of course)
[00:33:29] < Milyardo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmXQfPkfJqw
[00:33:33] < Milyardo> WTF is Wideband?
[00:34:18] <+tifreak> There is a company offering radio internet, supposedly has good speeds for like $30 a month, a friend of mine is supposed to be getting me their website link..
[00:35:16] < Nikky> clearwire?
[00:37:03] < Milyardo> Channel Bonding?
[00:37:05] < Milyardo> WTF
[00:37:42] <+tifreak> I don't know what the name of it was, waiting on his email on it..
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[00:42:41] <@efneTI92> [Sir_Lewk] ...And so he rose from the ashes, no longer man but technological conglomerate
[00:43:49] <+tifreak> sounds like the replicator off of the SG1 movie... XD
[00:44:21] < Sir_Lewk> <== transhumanist
[00:44:51] < aardvarq> Milyardo: aye.
[00:45:03] < aardvarq> President for 3 years.
[00:45:14] < Nikky> nerd
[00:45:27] < aardvarq> virgin
[00:45:30] < Milyardo> lol
[00:45:38] < Sir_Lewk> synonyms
[00:45:42] < Nikky> I'm not the one who is president of a nerd club :)
[00:45:55] < aardvarq> I'm not the one who is a VIRGIN
[00:46:06] < Sir_Lewk> really? because you are an op here Nikky :P
[00:46:10] < Nikky> Am not
[00:46:18] < Nikky> I think Andy_J is an op
[00:46:29] < Sir_Lewk> you arn't?
[00:46:31] < Nikky> So what are you saying about him?
[00:46:45] < aardvarq> His sister's hot.
[00:46:49]  * Sir_Lewk backs down
[00:46:54] < Sir_Lewk> never seen her
[00:47:15] < Nikky> :)
[00:47:25] < jeph> Without reading the entire convo after I left, Verizon, prior to any legislation governing it has always been quicker to fork over user's private info without a subpoena, from what I hear (than Comcast)
[00:47:31] < jeph> Sir_Lewk, you go to Drexel right?
[00:47:50] < Sir_Lewk> yes
[00:48:00] < jeph> What's your major?
[00:48:04] < Sir_Lewk> CS
[00:48:21] < jeph> Awesome, I suck at higher level math, should I just go for business, and how do you like the program?
[00:48:24] < Nikky> rotfl CS
[00:48:42] < Sir_Lewk> it's alright
[00:48:54]  * Milyardo is a CS major
[00:48:59] < Nikky> :)
[00:49:15] < Nikky> You're lucky I'm around to get you people educated on life.
[00:49:19] < Sir_Lewk> I'm a freshman right now so I'm underneath the engineering college, which is annoying
[00:49:28] < Milyardo> I hate CIS majors
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[00:49:33] <@efneTI92> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
[00:49:37] < Milyardo> They make us CS majors look bad
[00:49:37] < Sir_Lewk> but that also means I get engineering coop stuff which is very nice
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[00:50:23] < jeph> I'd need a 3.5 to go for CS I think
[00:50:32] < jeph> 3.5 for anything under the engineering shcool
[00:50:41] < jeph> 3.0 for anything else, business, (CIS?) what have you
[00:51:04] < Milyardo> CIS == Evil Hybrid CS/Buisness Major
[00:51:11] < Milyardo> basicly CS Without all the Math
[00:51:18] < Sir_Lewk> lose
[00:51:20] < Milyardo> But they're all dumbfucks
[00:51:23] < Sir_Lewk> the math is the fun part
[00:51:33] < Milyardo> who can't write a hello program to save their life
[00:51:36] < Sir_Lewk> well, programming is fun too
[00:51:41] < Sir_Lewk> lol
[00:51:44] < aardvarq> Milyardo: or the science. Or the programming.
[00:51:45] < jeph> So, if I've been programming since before I had pubes, and I suck at math, that's my kind of major?
[00:51:52] < Milyardo> All of it
[00:51:56] < jeph> ... so there is no programming? what do they learn then??
[00:52:00] < Milyardo> Case 1:
[00:52:04] < prime_> jeph: if you cant handle math, CS is not for you
[00:52:04] < aardvarq> jeph: You used to be a girl?
[00:52:14] < Milyardo> Last semester I needed 3 extra credits
[00:52:20] < jeph> aardvarq?
[00:52:20] < prime_> like i said before, they call it CS, but its really half math
[00:52:31] < Milyardo> so i took CS/CIS 173: Visual Basic .NET
[00:52:37] < Sir_Lewk> jeph, maybe software engineering? dunno
[00:52:41] < aardvarq> How much do prosthetic pubes go for?
[00:52:48] < prime_> $10/pound
[00:52:57] < Sir_Lewk> that's rather cheap
[00:52:59] < jeph> I'm missing the joke here
[00:52:59] < Milyardo> First day of class i had some CIS Major tell me how he already knew Visual Basic
[00:53:11] < Milyardo> He's a Advid VB Developer
[00:53:11] < jeph> did you laugh or walk away?
[00:53:27] < Milyardo> He writes Video Games in VB
[00:53:32] < jeph> or say, here wait let me get the runtime, i can't understand the shit that is spewing out of your mouth
[00:53:36] < _Auron_> Milyardo: ewww
[00:53:36] < Sir_Lewk> lolol
[00:53:41] < aardvarq> What do YOU write video games in?! 68k?!
[00:53:42] < Milyardo> Activision called him of to write Cod4 in VB
[00:54:28] < aardvarq> !visitors
[00:54:29] <@efneTI86> This channel's maximum occupancy was achieved on Wed Nov 14 02:17:13 2007 at 71 users. Current count is at 61.
[00:54:35] < Milyardo> DirectX is also Written in VB and he's worked on much of DX10 which is written in VB
[00:54:37] < jeph> I can pick up any language though, I've never really mastered a specific API or toolkit for GUI programming in C/C++ though, but I don't consider that a flaw
[00:54:43] < Sir_Lewk> Cod 4?  there have already been 3 games about a type of fish?!?
[00:54:53] < chronomex> hahaha
[00:55:00] < Sir_Lewk> ;)
[00:55:00] < chronomex> !qadd <Sir_Lewk> Cod 4?  there have already been 3 games about a type of fish?!?
[00:55:01] <@efneTI86> Quote 1274 added
[00:55:03] < jeph> Sir_lewk, haha
[00:55:07] < Milyardo> So I ignore him
[00:55:28] < Milyardo> He stops comming to class at some point during the semester
[00:55:32] < jeph> CIS sounds like what I should take if I suck at math and really just want to open a consulting business and have a degree
[00:55:38] < Milyardo> because VB was too hard
[00:56:07] < jeph> ... why would you take a class on VB if it's not require? isn't the intro programming class C++ or Java in most schools now?
[00:56:10] < Sir_Lewk> I'd rather take a power drill to my head "Pi" style than learn VB
[00:56:22] < i_c-Y> can't you do that anyway?
[00:56:34] < chronomex> I'd rather learn VB, if you can imagine that
[00:56:39] < Milyardo> its not required but its a prerequisite to Web Design
[00:56:41] < i_c-Y> or rather would you rather do that
[00:56:43] < chronomex> power drill won't let you do things afterwards
[00:56:47] < aardvarq> jeph: How old are you? c++ was a decade ago. It's ALL java. Cept like stanford where they start you out in scheme.
[00:56:58] < i_c-Y> aardvarq: this place starts you out with C.
[00:56:58] < _Auron_> even though java is complete and utter shit :|
[00:57:05] < i_c-Y> _Auron_: its not.
[00:57:12] < Milyardo> Its still C++ here at U Mich
[00:57:12] < Sir_Lewk> I purposely avoided CS programs that started with java
[00:57:17] < _Auron_> it's not useful for real applications
[00:57:26] < Sir_Lewk> C++ at drexel thank gawd
[00:57:35] < aardvarq> Hmm. Wierd.
[00:57:36] < Milyardo> Atcualy
[00:57:42] < jeph> I disagree, Java is better than VB, it has C style syntax and you can use it to write cell phone games
[00:57:42] < Milyardo> Its Qbasic then C++
[00:57:43] < i_c-Y> aardvarq: and military acadamys all start you out with ada
[00:57:48] < _Auron_> jeph: yay?
[00:57:49] < Milyardo> but most ppl skip QBASIC
[00:57:52] < i_c-Y> jeph: have you ever used j2me?
[00:58:05] < i_c-Y> its some weird bastardization of java.
[00:58:10] < chronomex> i_c-Y: I'm thinking of learning Ada over the summer
[00:58:28] < Milyardo> CS Programs need moar PERL
[00:58:32] < aardvarq> i_c-Y: Yup, cept if you're female. Then they start you out with typing classes.
[00:58:39] < i_c-Y> i was considering it, chronomex 
[00:58:55]  * chronomex stabs aardvarq
[00:58:55] < jeph> PERL was my first language... get ready to laugh guys
[00:59:02]  * chronomex hugs jeph
[00:59:06] < chronomex> it can only get better from here
[00:59:09] < chronomex> well
[00:59:10] < i_c-Y> i dont really like pascal though, chronomex 
[00:59:16] < i_c-Y> so i put that plan on hold.
[00:59:19] < chronomex> you could use MUMPS, that'd be worse
[00:59:20] < chronomex> i_c-Y: okay
[00:59:26] < jeph> The first thing I wrote was an "Ask professor Oak" script at this website I used to work at, I even had FTP, which at age 9 for a site bringing in some hits, was pretty sweet
[00:59:29] < chronomex> why not, i_c-Y?
[00:59:54] < jeph> Anyway, the script was a form mail script, that tried to find answers to basic questions that had already been answered and cock block anything with profanity
[00:59:57] < aardvarq> My first was TI-Basic on the 85. I then made an immediate leap to Z80 asm (it was tough for a few weeks) before entering "formal" instruction and learning c++.
[00:59:57] < i_c-Y> plus, i decided the summer was better spent improving my LISP.
[01:00:03] < jeph> I wish I still had it, haha, but it did work :)
[01:00:10] < chronomex> LISP is important too
[01:00:20] < chronomex> I'm going to try a 28hour sleep cycle at the same time
[01:00:50] < i_c-Y> i mean Ada is cool and all, but im just going to put it off for a while.
[01:00:55] < jeph> I remeber having the hardest type remembering to escape my HTML "s
[01:00:59] < i_c-Y> it seems like an overconvoluted pascal with some other stuff.
[01:00:59] < Milyardo> Damn I don't remeber what my first language was
[01:01:02] < jeph> **time
[01:01:09] < Milyardo> shell scripting I'd have to say
[01:01:13] < Milyardo> then C
[01:01:20] < Milyardo> then tiBASIC
[01:01:31] < jeph> After that Visual Basic 5/6 for coding AOL programs, yes, I had AOL, and a family too stupid to use anything else
[01:01:35] < Milyardo> then z80 ASM was my first assembly language
[01:01:37] < chronomex> AOL programs?
[01:01:38] < jeph> Anyone remember the old API spys?
[01:02:05] < jeph> Eh, mostly things that exploited the way AOL ims and chats worked to create text-based games
[01:02:19] < jeph> there used to be "Punters" that worked, they just sent random garbage that crashed the client
[01:02:28] < jeph> (which wasn't hard to do :)
[01:02:56] < chronomex> lol
[01:03:11] < Milyardo> I guess I was lucky to have a UNIX machine in my home as a child
[01:03:39] < chronomex> that's very lucky
[01:03:43] < chronomex> I had to do it myself
[01:03:44] < Milyardo> no windows until about 1999, when I got 3.1, which blew compared to Slackware
[01:03:58] < _Auron_> you got 3.1 in 99? O.o
[01:04:00] < _Auron_> that's a bit late
[01:04:04] < Milyardo> it is
[01:04:10] < Milyardo> A hand me down 486
[01:04:19] < _Auron_> I was on DOS until 98 or so
[01:04:25] < jeph> Slackware was my first linux distro, I think it was 8.1, they actually had a dummies book for that believe it or not, which had no substance
[01:04:25] < _Auron_> with norton desktop
[01:05:03] < Sir_Lewk> I think I started out on Red Hat Linux 5 (or maybe 7, not sure anymore)
[01:05:25] < Milyardo> OpenBSD was what I had first
[01:05:34] < jeph> Maybe it was 7, because I used slackware for 2 years
[01:07:02] < jeph> I think it's because I couldn't stand GIMP at the time 
[01:07:02] <+Tari> DOS (386), DOS w.3.1, 98, XP
[01:07:24] < Milyardo> http://youtube.com/watch?v=W9fQa00CB9U
[01:07:42] < Milyardo> This News Anchor doesn't understand one word theo said
[01:11:01] < Milyardo> "OMG BAD HACKERS"
[01:11:48] < i_c-Y> who cares? theo de raadt is a douchebag
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[01:14:52] < Sir_Lewk> I never actually saw theo before
[01:18:24] < Sir_Lewk> "they want to write some 'nifty' code?" lol
[01:18:44] < Milyardo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWOjmvWPRvQ
[01:21:11] < Sir_Lewk> that dude doesn't seem to understand that stuff loaded in the ram will generally be ok for a while
[01:22:15] < Milyardo> I think he knows
[01:22:25] < Milyardo> the dumbasses posting in his commments don't
[01:22:41] < Milyardo> Anyways he get +2 points for doing it in ubuntu
[01:22:46] < Milyardo> no os deserves it more
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[01:25:13] < Sir_Lewk> not so
[01:25:15] < Sir_Lewk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JZvIwu0_zA&feature=related
[01:25:22] < Sir_Lewk> that os deserves it more
[01:26:23] < Sir_Lewk> "go into unix mode" idiot
[01:26:32] < Sir_Lewk> that's single user
[01:28:25] < chronomex> lol
[01:28:38] < Milyardo> who said that?
[01:29:06] < Sir_Lewk> the guy in my youtube link
[01:29:12] < Milyardo> lol
[01:29:15] < Sir_Lewk> and he uses sudo under single user mode
[01:29:26] < chronomex> wtf
[01:29:34] < chronomex> the world is full of idiots
[01:29:49] < Milyardo> Lol
[01:29:52] < Milyardo> Unix mode
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[01:30:32] < Milyardo> well at least he refers to it as Single user mode later
[01:30:34] < Milyardo> lol
[01:31:04] < Sir_Lewk> LOLOLOL
[01:31:22] < Sir_Lewk> he deleted the reboot command and didn't understand why it doesn't work
[01:31:29] < chronomex> hahaha
[01:31:35] < chronomex> so what is he trying to do?
[01:31:50] < Milyardo> why is he using sudo when he is alreayd root?
[01:32:19] < chronomex> because he's an idiot
[01:32:23] < chronomex> we've already been over this
[01:32:58] < Milyardo> "I think it means Super Useeeeerrr... DO?
[01:33:00] < Milyardo> "
[01:33:52] < chronomex> hah
[01:33:56] < Sir_Lewk> it is a mactard obviously
[01:35:03] < Milyardo> lol he can't figure out why it won't reboot
[01:37:17] < prime_> i just pull the power cable whenever i want to reboot
[01:38:08] < Sir_Lewk> I'd have to pull my cable and two batteries
[01:38:36] < Sir_Lewk> and somehow I suspect mactards would have trouble pulling their batteries xD
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[01:45:51] < Milyardo> ahhhh boredome
[01:45:56] < prime_> new news on ticalc.org
[01:46:05] < Milyardo> let see if there's anythign good on gnome-look
[01:46:17] < Milyardo> this default ubuntu theme is starting to repluse me
[01:50:22] <+Tari> http://www.yallstore.com/2gb-28-lcd-qvga-touch-screen-mp3-mp4-2gb-player-p-493.html
[01:50:26] <+Tari> I may get that
[01:50:30] <+Tari> just to confuse people
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[01:52:15] < Milyardo> lol $33
[01:52:40] <+Tari> yeah
[01:52:46] <+Tari> at that price, how can I refuse?
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[01:53:07] < i_c-Y> just bought a 50g
[01:53:08] < i_c-Y> :)
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[01:53:33] <+Tari> traitor
[01:53:44] < glk> Be dure to download the advanced users guide
[01:54:02] < glk> How so you like the 50G?
[01:54:28] < glk> My url in HP has comments on the 50G
[01:55:16] < i_c-Y> glk: it hasn't come yet
[01:55:38] < glk> It has many functions not in the TI89
[01:56:04] < i_c-Y> (i bought it off amazon)
[01:56:19] < glk> I can discuss SVD if you are  interested
[01:57:10] < i_c-Y> that would be good, glk . preferably after i get it.
[01:57:20] < i_c-Y> is svd a built in function on it?
[01:57:36] < glk> Singular Value Decomposition
[01:57:38] < glk> Yes
[01:58:20] < glk> I can also discuss FFT  Fast Fourier Transform, whcih is already discussed on my url in MATH
[01:59:03] < i_c-Y> hm
[02:00:26] < i_c-Y> glk: where is this advanced users guide
[02:00:39] < glk> It is on HP url
[02:00:46] < i_c-Y> oh its official HP stuff.
[02:00:48] < Sir_Lewk> There are no comments on this article yet. Why don't you add one?
[02:00:53] < Sir_Lewk> zounds
[02:01:12] < glk> I have the HP49 users guide here and
[02:01:24] < glk> It is quite massivs
[02:01:46]  * Sir_Lewk needs to get a HP calc
[02:01:50] < Sir_Lewk> they are very nice
[02:02:27] < glk> I have HP48 HP49G  HP49G+
[02:04:38] < Sir_Lewk> my friend let me play around with his 48G for a while, I really liked it
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[02:05:15] < glk> The 48G can not use symbolic matrix contents
[02:06:00] < Sir_Lewk> yeah, it also only does RPN that I'm aware of
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[02:06:13] < Sir_Lewk> still, has a very nice feel to it
[02:08:42] < i_c-Y> 50G does both.
[02:08:52] < glk> The 49G has rubber keys and was very unpopular
[02:09:19] < Sir_Lewk> eww, I would not like that
[02:09:25] < Sir_Lewk> I like hard keys
[02:09:26] < glk> Some functions only work in ALG and others only in RP mode
[02:09:33] < Sir_Lewk> hmm
[02:09:50]  * Sir_Lewk is going to go get pizza, be back in a bit
[02:09:53] < glk> Start a notebook of worked problems and memus
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[02:38:44]  * Netham45 is bored
[02:38:51] < Netham45> someone entertain me
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[02:40:44] < Netham45> ooh, I got my cgi:irc gateway for dragon-fire to work. netham45.org/cgiirc ^.^
[02:41:50] < Nikky> ?
[02:42:01] < Netham45> what?
[02:42:01] < Nikky> why does it need a dyndns address
[02:42:43] < Netham45> because my IP changes and a dyndns is easier to manage?
[02:43:30] < Netham45> I can just have a daemon manage it
[02:43:58] < Nikky> That's nice
[02:44:01] < Nikky> But... this isn't dragonfire
[02:44:05] < Nikky> So... tell it to them
[02:44:06] < Nikky> Not us
[02:44:16] < Netham45> they know
[02:46:07] < Netham45> hmm, #tifreakware just isn't the same without you being a smartass to me.
[02:46:16] < Nikky> That's nice
[02:47:05] < Sir_Lewk> so who is geohashing on Saturday?
[02:48:07] < prime_> i sure isnt
[02:48:27] < chronomex>  ahah
[02:48:35] < chronomex> shit </3 lag
[02:48:48] < chronomex> Sir_Lewk: I am, maybe
[02:49:03] < chronomex> if it's close and if I'm done with homework by then
[02:49:19] < i_c-Y> chronomex: whens your end of school?
[02:49:26] < chronomex> sometime early june
[02:49:29] < chronomex> 11jun
[02:49:30] < i_c-Y> oh.
[02:49:32] < i_c-Y> lame
[02:49:42] < chronomex> why?
[02:50:06] < i_c-Y> we got out may 15th 
[02:50:09] < chronomex> you suck
[02:50:17] < chronomex> you're on semesters, right?
[02:50:19] < i_c-Y> when did you start
[02:50:20] < i_c-Y> yeah
[02:50:25] < chronomex> last week of september
[02:50:34] < i_c-Y> yeah uh. we started at the beginning of september
[02:50:44] < chronomex> okay
[02:52:03] < prime_> is geohashing so people from a same general area know where to meet
[02:52:11] < prime_> for....something?
[02:52:41] < chronomex> yes, for something
[02:52:53] < prime_> for what?
[02:53:12] < chronomex> but he didn't quite make it clear, so I expect that there will be subgatherings with Wednesday's value ....
[02:53:17] < chronomex> for nerdism I expect
[02:53:25] < chronomex> who the hell cares what
[02:53:38] < prime_> wednesday, just because its a year long aniversary?
[02:53:40] < chronomex> it's meeting new interesting people from meatspace, that doesn't happen often
[02:53:45] < chronomex> what?
[02:53:51] < prime_> why wednesday?
[02:53:53] < chronomex> it's going to happen saturday
[02:53:59] < chronomex> but the comic was posted wednesday
[02:54:04] < prime_> oh
[02:54:06] < chronomex> people seem to be confused about the whole thing
[02:54:09] < prime_> yea
[02:54:11] < prime_> i give up
[02:54:22] <@Andy_J> it's going to happen every saturday
[02:54:28] <@Andy_J> at 4 PM destination time
[02:54:38] < chronomex> aha
[02:54:52] < prime_> at the location based by the date
[02:54:53] < prime_> ok
[02:54:57] <@Andy_J> and the DOW
[02:55:12] <@Andy_J> the date and the DOW go into an md5 then you split that and convert to decimal to get where to go
[02:55:33] < prime_> but it wont be too far, beause you will be in your same grid
[02:55:52] < i_c-Y> oh god
[02:55:53] < prime_> like because the whole number parts of lat and long stay the same?
[02:55:53] <@Andy_J> it could in theory be about 60 miles away
[02:55:57] < i_c-Y> lets not talk about xkcd :-/
[02:56:00] <@Andy_J> or you could go to the nextr grid over then
[02:56:00] < chronomex> right
[02:56:06] < chronomex> prime_: yes
[02:56:14] <@Andy_J> if the next grid happens to be closer for a given point
[02:56:17] < prime_> ahh, yea next grid over could be closer in some cases
[02:56:30] <@Andy_J> or if it's over water or something
[02:56:43] <@Andy_J> or in bill gates's living room (was another example he gave)
[02:56:52] < prime_> nah, ill still go
[02:56:54] < prime_> break in
[02:56:56] < chronomex> lol
[02:57:04] < chronomex> but gates will let you in if you ask nicely, no doubt
[02:57:09] <@Andy_J> so just got back from seeing the Death Note live-action movie dub
[02:57:16] <@Andy_J> Very well done for a live-action dub
[02:57:33] <@Andy_J> Also lol'd when it was over and a windows taskbar appeared off the bottom of the screen <_<
[02:57:37] <@Andy_J> almost didn't notice it
[02:57:48] < chronomex> sounds cool
[02:57:49] <@Andy_J> They use an nVidia graphics card >_>
[02:58:02] <@Andy_J> Start button, clock, nVidia tray icon. That was it.
[02:58:07] <@Andy_J> They shoiuld have turned auto-hide on
[02:58:11] <+Tari> lulz
[02:58:53] < chronomex> haha
[02:59:17] <@Andy_J> Wanted to get a picture for lulz but it was too dim for my camera's phone to see at all
[02:59:23] <@Andy_J> But... Awesome movie.
[02:59:27] <@Andy_J> Definitely going to see the second one.
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[03:07:25] <@efneTI92> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
[03:07:35] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v rivereye] by efneTI92
[03:08:32] < Nikky> Hey rivereye!
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[03:26:03] < i_c-Y> haha.
[03:26:10] < i_c-Y> nice, Andy_J 
[03:26:17] < chronomex> >:|
[03:26:25]  * chronomex growls at Andy_J
[03:26:30] < prime_> can we have a dance party?
[03:26:31] <@Andy_J> what'd I do this time?!
[03:26:41] < chronomex> I don't know
[03:26:53] < prime_> im going to try /dance and see what it does
[03:26:55] < prime_> :D\-<
[03:26:55] < prime_> :D|-<
[03:26:55] < prime_> :D/-<
[03:26:55] < prime_> :D|-<
[03:27:21] < chronomex> !k prime_ no dancing
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[03:27:50] < prime_> in a minute i am  going to do "/timer 100 .1 /dance"
[03:28:04] <@Andy_J> In 10 seconds I am going to /kickban prime_ 
[03:28:08] < chronomex> in a minute you're going to flood yourself off
[03:28:09] <@Andy_J> I win.
[03:28:18] < prime_> yea it would flood me
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[03:31:53] <@efneTI92> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[03:40:31] < Sir_Lewk> "<chronomex> !k prime_ no dancing"  He can dance if he wants too
[03:40:40] < Sir_Lewk> he can leave his friends behind
[03:40:50] < Sir_Lewk> cause if they don't dance
[03:40:57] < Sir_Lewk> and if they don't dance
[03:41:05] < Sir_Lewk> then they're no friends of mine
[03:41:09] <+KermM> >.<
[03:41:11] < prime_> :D\-<
[03:41:11] < prime_> :D|-<
[03:41:11] < prime_> :D/-<
[03:41:11] < prime_> :D|-<
[03:41:15] <+KermM> whhhyyy?
[03:41:23]  * Sir_Lewk does the safety dance
[03:41:33] < prime_> <Sir_Lewk> then they're no friends of *prime
[03:41:44] < Sir_Lewk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcOZ6xFxJqg
[03:42:00] < Sir_Lewk> :D|-<
[03:42:03] < Sir_Lewk> :DS-<
[03:42:09] < Sir_Lewk> :D|-<
[03:42:20] < prime_> whaoh, sick moves Sir_Lewk
[03:43:28] < Sir_Lewk> hells yeah
[03:43:35] < chronomex> lol
[03:43:51] < Sir_Lewk> ...we can dance! we can dance!...
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[03:46:17] < Sir_Lewk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-bIhCBSrzU&feature=related <== LOL
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[04:02:16] < Netham45> "<Sir_Lewk> then they're no friends of *prime  "   well of course, every prime only has one friend, 1.
[04:03:00] < Sir_Lewk> LOL
[04:03:19] < Sir_Lewk> I *AM* number one :P
[04:03:30] < Netham45> you're admitting you're a friend of prime?
[04:03:45] < Sir_Lewk> prime is a cool guy!
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[04:04:14] <@efneTI92> [Dauron] We called it Sin.
[04:04:32] < Netham45> well... we have one person who thinks so... prime_, I'm sorry, but your only friend is Sir_Lewk.
[04:05:16] < prime_> i dont know, nikky kissed me earlier
[04:05:38] < Netham45> that's sexual abuse, not a friendship.
[04:05:46] < Dauron> ...
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[04:06:17] < _Auron_> automated nickfix ftw
[04:06:45] < MrAndrsn> laaakeeerrrrssssssssssssssssssss
[04:10:22] < _Auron_> what of them?
[04:10:37] <+KermM> I presume he is a fan thereof.
[04:10:52] < prime_> they won tonights game?
[04:11:07] < prime_> i wasnt watching
[04:11:16] < V200> Just kidding, the Lakers suck balls.
[04:11:16] < V200> :D
[04:15:29] < MrAndrsn> if by Lakers you mean Laker girls
[04:15:55] < Nikky> No!
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[04:17:52] < Netham45> Nikky, why are you sexually assaulting prime_? NO MEANS NO!
[04:18:24] < Nikky> ?
[04:18:30] < Nikky> What are you talking about?
[04:18:33] < Netham45> <prime_> i dont know, nikky kissed me earlier
[04:18:46] < Nikky> Do you believe everything prime_ says?
[04:19:03] < Netham45> prime_'s word VS. yours....
[04:19:05] < Netham45> yes?
[04:20:26] < Nikky> It's a shame you mistrust me so much.
[04:20:36] < chronomex> Nikky is completely trustworthy
[04:20:37] < Netham45> It's a shame I have so much reason to.
[04:20:41] < chronomex> *mistrustworthy
[04:25:40] < MrAndrsn> what the heck?  why do they tax me so much if I'm gonna get most of this back?
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[04:26:08] < MrAndrsn> $125.43 out of $590.80
[04:26:43] < MrAndrsn> that's like the $100,000 per year bracket percentage
[04:26:49] < chronomex> MrAndrsn: same reason federal employees pay tax
[04:26:55] < chronomex> it makes accounting easier
[04:28:28] < Sir_Lewk> Mrrrr. Annnderson
[04:28:44] < Sir_Lewk> It seems you have been living two lives...
[04:29:17] < chronomex> Sir_Lewk: lame
[04:29:29] < Sir_Lewk> :`(
[04:30:09] < MrAndrsn> welp, I'll barely be able to have zero balance on my credit card before the 25th
[04:30:13] < MrAndrsn> and that's all I really care about
[04:30:39] < MrAndrsn> people owe me money
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[04:31:08] <@efneTI92> [Spengo] so when are we going to ban infolines?
[04:34:12] < Sir_Lewk> I have been watching Spengo's eplepsy thing for the past 15 minutes
[04:34:24] < Sir_Lewk> *epilepsy
[04:34:26] < Spengo> wtf is eplepsy
[04:34:38] < Sir_Lewk> http://spengo.sitesled.com/-..-flash185--rgb.swf
[04:35:04] < Netham45> hehe
[04:35:09] < Netham45> one of my friends came to school high
[04:35:12] < Netham45> and we played that for him
[04:35:19] < Netham45> he could NOT stop staring at it
[04:35:29] < Sir_Lewk> it is excellent :D
[04:36:12] < Sir_Lewk> I love the part where it goes all randomish
[04:36:23] < Netham45> yea
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[04:40:45] < _Auron_> reminds me of some of the attacks in Earthbound
[04:40:54] < _Auron_> except only in 3 colors, and on a bigger screen
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[04:44:48] <@efneTI92> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[04:54:45] < prime_> what was that site Spengo liked
[04:55:00] < prime_> with the weird url
[04:55:08] < prime_> in utf-8 or something
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[04:59:57] < allynfolk> um, hey
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[05:00:05] < chronomex> hi allynfolk
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[05:00:10] < Nikky> :(
[05:00:11] < chronomex> smooth move
[05:00:15] < Nikky> bye Nikky!
[05:01:55] < Spengo> http://★ＯＫ★.tgies.net/
[05:01:57] < Spengo> :D
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[05:12:21] < chronomex> Spengo: ?!?
[05:12:29] < Spengo> :D
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[05:13:39] < prime_> yea that one doesnt work for me
[05:13:50] < prime_> what is the normal one?
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[05:26:35] < _Auron_> someone name an NES game
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[05:36:36] < Grue> Zelda
[05:36:45] < Grue> Contra
[05:36:50] < Grue> Paperboy (ha)
[05:37:13] < _Auron_> ....all three of those are on my PSP
[05:37:18] < _Auron_> try to find one I don't have
[05:37:35]  * _Auron_ has over 200 on here
[05:37:43] < _Auron_> but name a good one
[05:38:01] < _Auron_> I'm playing Ultima atm and .. the music is amazing, I don't know why.
[05:43:32] < tr1p1ea> Manchester United are Champions of Europe!
[05:45:28] < Grue> All the ones I could think of would surely be included in a "top 200" type pack
[05:46:10] < chronomex> _Auron_: ultima atm? is that like GTA but you have to rob bank machines?
[05:59:24] < prime_> /stab chronomex
[05:59:27] < prime_> :D\-<
[05:59:27] < prime_> :D|-<
[05:59:27] < prime_> :D/-<
[05:59:27] < prime_> :D|-<
[06:02:45] < chronomex> !k prime_ no dancing
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[06:03:05] < Nikky> :D\-<
[06:03:11] < Nikky> :D|-<
[06:03:15] < Nikky> :D/-<
[06:03:19] < Nikky> :D|-<
[06:03:19] < chronomex> just f---ing stop
[06:03:25] < Nikky> :)
[06:22:51] < Spengo> boobies
[06:23:06] < chronomex> your face
[06:23:09] < chronomex> but not together
[06:23:39] < Spengo> HADOUKEN!
[06:23:41] < Spengo> -=D
[06:23:42] < Spengo>    -=D
[06:23:44] < Spengo>       -=D
[06:24:15] < Spengo>          X( <-- chronomex 
[06:28:34] < chronomex> what are thos things, tadpoles?
[06:39:02] < Spengo> it's supposed to be a hadouken
[06:39:25] < Spengo> a wave motion fist
[06:39:42] < Spengo> you can do it by crouching, crouching forward, walking a little bit, and PUNCHing
[06:39:53] < Spengo> and a fireball erupts from your hands and you should HADOUKEN
[06:39:57] < Spengo> shout*
[06:40:03] < Spengo> not should
[06:40:15] < Spengo> if you do it right anyways
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[06:43:42] <@efneTI92> [Sir_Lewk] ...And so he rose from the ashes, no longer man but technological conglomerate
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[07:09:32] < _Auron_> chronomex: Ultima, the rpg game
[07:09:35] < _Auron_> atm meaning at the moment
[07:09:56] < _Auron_> and after figuring out how this game works (it's a bit different from a typical rpg we know)
[07:10:01] < _Auron_> I'm quite bored of it
[07:24:04] < Sir_Lewk> !seen BrandonW
[07:24:06] <@efneTI86> BrandonW (~calcmaste@24-158-198-153.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 36 days, 1 hour, 39 minutes ago stating ().
[07:24:13] < Sir_Lewk> :`(
[07:24:39] < _Auron_> he's not coming back
[07:24:56] < Sir_Lewk> 8`(
[07:24:59] < _Digital> why?
[07:25:45] < chronomex> why can't you people get over it
[07:26:01] < _Digital> I didn't even know he parted
[07:26:04] < Sir_Lewk> he was one of the few people who was usually on topic
[07:26:14] < chronomex> yes, he's gone
[07:26:16] < chronomex> get over it
[07:26:35]  * Sir_Lewk opens up his wrists
[07:26:40] < _Digital> aparently you're tcked. I'm justt curious
[07:27:31] < chronomex> kay
[07:27:44] < chronomex> I'm just a bit tired of the "OMG WHERE IS BRANDON"
[07:28:05] < _Auron_> mm
[07:28:06] < _Auron_> original tetris
[07:28:19] < Sir_Lewk> russian?
[07:28:42] < _Auron_> well first tetris on NES
[07:29:35] < _Digital> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/907a/
[07:29:45] < _Digital> my work ID has an RFID chip in it
[07:29:53] < _Digital> I'm curious as to the info stored in it
[07:31:28] < _Digital> chronomex, why did he part?
[07:58:02] < Sir_Lewk> did he tire in calculator or us?
[07:59:15] < _Auron_> us not talking about calculators
[07:59:29] < _Auron_> so us :P
[08:12:04] <+ports> gah
[08:12:43] < Sir_Lewk> <== I command you to sleep defiant fool
[08:12:53]  * Sir_Lewk reluctantly sleeps
[08:12:57] <+ports> i just woke up
[08:13:02] <+ports> i dont remember when i fell asleep
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[08:13:47] <+ports> chronomex, yo
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[10:23:25] <+ports> wooho
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[11:18:30] <@benryves> More bots than women. You know you're in a calculator programming IRC channel when...
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[11:49:19] <+altkrisk> omg i just realised something horrible
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[12:13:20] <@benryves> _krisk_: What's that?
[12:16:16] <+_krisk_> well i dont drink any more and havent done drugs
[12:16:42] <+_krisk_> and i dont smoke
[12:16:45] <+_krisk_> im straight edge :<
[12:16:57] <@benryves> How is that horrible? Sounds good to me.
[12:17:30] <@benryves> viz, that you're capable of living your life without needing to artificially enhance your experiences in any way.
[12:18:24] <+_krisk_> yeah something like that
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[12:19:52] <@efneTI92> [DSP_Lord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[12:20:33] <@benryves> Of course, if you hang out with people who thing it's cool to be "hur hur let's get drunk lol" it could be a little awkward :\
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[12:20:57] <+_krisk_> yeah some people are like that
[12:21:15] <+_krisk_> but the two that do that are silly nerds anyway
[12:28:10] <+ports> omg where did brandonw go?
[12:30:06] <@benryves> Back to his home planet. His work here is done.
[12:31:57] <+ports> lol
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[12:32:01] <+ports> i was just asking to annoy chronomex
[12:32:06] <+ports> i dont really care where BW went
[12:32:27] <@benryves> Hrm, today is the day that I receive backlog of Undeliverable Mail Returned to Sender and Out of Office Replies from people who have received spam mail from my spoofed address. :(
[12:33:55] < Milyardo> Lol
[12:33:59] < Milyardo> How many?
[12:34:40] < Milyardo> A couple weeks ago we had girl to came to our office with 5000 NDRs and undeliverables
[12:34:55] <@benryves> Milyardo: Usually 300-400.
[12:35:22] < Milyardo> That must be an awful pain, is it regular?
[12:35:22] <@benryves> (Email, that is, not phsyical letters).
[12:35:35] <@benryves> About once every couple of months. :\
[12:35:47] < Milyardo> :\
[12:36:22] < Milyardo> Yeah well she came to our helpdesk saying she couldn't send many mail
[12:36:44] < Milyardo> a quick lookup of her username showed she was 40MB over her size limit
[12:37:29] < Milyardo> She didn't know how to delete email so we opened OWA for her to find 5000 NDRs all delivered within a period of 20min
[12:37:38] <@benryves> Ouch.
[12:37:49]  * benryves hasn't deleted any email since 2004 :|
[12:37:59] <@benryves> Well, apart from spam. :D
[12:38:03] <+ports> benryves, me neither
[12:38:10] <+ports> my outlook database is 2gigs
[12:38:28] < Milyardo> omg don't tell me you use psts
[12:38:54] <@benryves> I have no idea how much space I am using (or have left) as my server doesn't tell me. :|
[12:38:59] < Milyardo> I haven't deleted any personal email,my university account I keep clean
[12:39:37] <+ports> everyone uses psts
[12:42:44] <@benryves> Everyone who uses Outlook, I guess. :)
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[14:02:21] < tr1p1ea> just saw indy
[14:02:56] <@benryves> Was it good?
[14:05:06] < tr1p1ea> yeah it was ok, not as good as the older ones though
[14:10:23] <@E-J> tr1p1ea: how was game last night?
[14:10:45] < tr1p1ea> yeah nail-biting E-J :)
[14:10:54] < tr1p1ea> when ronaldo missed, i thought it was lost
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[14:12:28] <+_krisk_> van de sar ftw
[14:13:56] <@benryves> Oh, that'd explain the Manchester United flag someone had hanging out of their window this morning.
[14:15:47] <@E-J> benryves: apparently you are not normal englishman :)
[14:16:22] < tr1p1ea> ^_^
[14:16:28] <@benryves> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_uOgyBK1c >_>
[14:18:54] < tr1p1ea> hehe
[14:18:58] < tr1p1ea> true
[14:19:55] <@benryves> And, somewhat appropriately; football + Indiana Jones + Mitchell & Webb = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU :P
[14:29:51] <@E-J> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuvD07MeX04
[14:31:51] <@E-J> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NeRoSFZWbs this is maybe better
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[15:00:27] <@E-J> nicolas: are you there ye...still?
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[15:37:03] <@efneTI92> [Merthslop] Heat, time, and pressure; the things needed to make diamonds also make waffles.
[15:37:08] < Merthslop> hi guys
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[15:37:21] <@benryves> 'lo Merthslop
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[15:39:43] <+Merthslop> how are you, benryves 
[15:41:13] <@benryves> Not bad, glad to be making progress on an old project; yourself?
[15:41:38] <+Merthslop> O
[15:41:45] <+Merthslop> I'm pretty good.
[15:41:59] <+Merthslop> I'm getting paid to make video games at my other job, which starts soon, so :D
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[15:42:59] <+_krisk_> :O
[15:43:00] <@benryves> Good stuff. :) What sort of games?
[15:43:28] <+Merthslop> well, last week i did a remake of asteroids. yesterday bejeweled.
[15:43:41] <+_krisk_> anything 3d?
[15:43:45] <+Merthslop> My school has their first ever game design course next semester, and I'm helping prepare for it
[15:44:24] <+Merthslop> _krisk_: no
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[15:44:54] < i_c-Y> theres black sabbath playing somewhere
[15:45:00] <+Merthslop> lame
[15:45:03] < i_c-Y> i just dont know where
[15:45:14] <@benryves> Sorry, I'll turn it down.
[15:45:52] <+Merthslop> haha
[15:47:42] <+Merthslop> I think i'm gonna make a little raycaster. I did one in Java last summer, and wanted to port it over to C#, and that's what we're using
[15:48:19] <@benryves> Which graphics API are you using?
[15:48:41] <+Merthslop> xna?
[15:49:15] <@benryves> Why the question mark? :P
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[15:49:27] <+Merthslop> i wasn't sure if that was an answer or not :\
[15:50:03] <@benryves> Ah, right. Aye, XNA it is then. Are you targetting the Xbox 360?
[15:50:06] <+Merthslop> it's pretty nice so far
[15:50:17] <+Merthslop> no, just windows
[15:50:28] <+Merthslop> we're gonna try to get the department to buy us some 360s :S
[15:50:52] <@benryves> Hm. XNA is pretty nice (and a good idea), just a bit limiting at the moment. It's getting better and better with each subsequent release, though. :D
[15:51:02] <+Merthslop> yeah, I've noticed that
[15:51:11] <+Merthslop> it's good for beginners, that's for sure
[15:51:16]  * benryves wonders if it runs in VS 2008 yet :\
[15:51:27] <+Merthslop> nope :(
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[15:51:54] <@benryves> Shame. :(
[15:52:00] <+Merthslop> indeed
[15:52:06] <+Merthslop> i like 08 much better than 05
[15:52:24] <@benryves> It has a C#3 compiler. 05 is only C#2. 'nuff said. :D
[15:52:37] <+Merthslop> ooh
[15:52:49] <+Merthslop> i didn't know that
[15:52:56] <+Merthslop> i bet the next release will work with it
[15:53:34] <@benryves> You can reference the XNA assemblies directly from VS 08, of course, but then you lose the IDE integration (ie, content pipeline).
[15:53:48] <+Merthslop> yeah, that doesn't seem worth it
[15:53:56] <@benryves> (And XNA is a PITA to redistribute). :|
[15:54:13] <+Merthslop> as in, the executables?
[15:54:45] <+Merthslop> i've noticed we can't get our shit to run on each other's computers
[15:54:50] <@benryves> Yep, exactly. :)
[15:54:55] <+Merthslop> we have to recompile everything, which sucks. a lot.
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[15:55:09] <@benryves> Most XNA apps I've downloaded I've only managed to get running by opening them in VS 05. :\
[15:55:10] <+Merthslop> we'd really like the students to be able to show off their stuff...
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[15:55:38] <@benryves> This is why I use SlimDX, myself.
[15:56:50] <+Merthslop> what is that?
[15:57:04] <@benryves> I really don't know why MS don't push more of this stuff over Windows Update (see also: .NET runtimes, D3DX DLLs).
[15:57:29] <@benryves> It's a 3rd-party COM wrapper over native DirectX (written in C++/CLR).
[15:57:43] <+Merthslop> oh, nice
[15:58:35] <@benryves> Less of the bells and whistles than XNA, but at least it's just a single assembly .dll you can distribute alongside your app and all is happy. :)
[15:58:50] <+Merthslop> that does sound nice.
[15:59:06] <+Merthslop> we'll probably stick with XNA for now. maybe next summer we'll work with that
[15:59:49] <@benryves> XNA is significantly easier. New project, // Insert rendering code here, // Insert game logic here, hit F5 and you've got a running game. :D
[16:00:04] <+Merthslop> yes indeed
[16:00:11] <+Merthslop> i really like that part of it
[16:01:23] <@benryves> Ability to run on Xbox 360 and Zune is a nice bonus, too.
[16:01:42] <+Merthslop> if we had either of those things
[16:01:49] <@benryves> Hehe :)
[16:01:53] <+Merthslop> we really gotta push the school for a 360
[16:02:01] <+Merthslop> this place is loaded, we could get one, I'm sure
[16:03:50] <+Merthslop> benryves: what's BBC basic?
[16:04:29] <@benryves> A programming language that was designed for (and hence originates from) the BBC Micro.
[16:05:05] <@E-J> is that bbc there british bc?
[16:05:05] <+Merthslop> oh
[16:05:52] <@benryves> E-J: Auntie, yes. ;) (British Broadcasting Corporation).
[16:06:02] < i_c-Y> yeah, E-J 
[16:06:20] < i_c-Y> its really just a repackaged acorn machine cause bbc was like YO LETS MAKE THE BRITS LITERATE LOLOL
[16:06:31] < i_c-Y> (the BBC micro that is)
[16:06:41] <@benryves> i_c-Y: Not repackaged; Acorn developed it specifically for the BBC.
[16:07:00] < i_c-Y> fine. its an Acorn in a bbc shell.
[16:07:09] <@E-J> programming language where colour is written with u?-)
[16:07:26] <@benryves> E-J: Apart from the failed US version, where they added the COLOR statement. :)
[16:08:00] <+Merthslop> i really gotta start learning z8
[16:08:01] <+Merthslop> 0
[16:08:32] <@E-J> benryves: when will come british version java, 'ceylon'?
[16:08:51] <@benryves> Heh :)
[16:09:39] <@benryves> Is it still called Ceylon in Finland?
[16:09:44] <+Merthslop> benryves: you're porting quake to XNA?
[16:10:25] <+_krisk_> "In computing, the Tube was an expansion interface and architecture on the BBC Microcomputer System " lulz
[16:10:28] <@benryves> Not so much ported as rewritten from scratch. Though that project slowed down significantly when I started reimplementing the QuakeC VM.
[16:11:00] <@E-J> nah, sri lanka here as well. I was just refering that java is coffee and ceylon is te and brits stereotypically drink te
[16:11:08] <@E-J> tea*
[16:11:27] <+Merthslop> benryves: what's the QuakeC VM?
[16:12:29] <@benryves> _krisk_: I'm not sure why that's amusing, but there were three ranges of memory used for memory-mapped I/O named "FRED", "JIM" and "SHEILA" respectively.
[16:12:44] <+_krisk_> fun
[16:13:18] <@benryves> Merthslop: Quake's game logic was written in a scripting language called QuakeC. This was compiled to bytecode that was run on a virtual machine (VM) on the server and clients.
[16:13:27] <+Merthslop> oh wow
[16:13:30] <+Merthslop> that's intense
[16:14:02] <+_krisk_> things arent that innovative any more are they
[16:14:04] <@benryves> (Quake 2 and subsequent id software games dropped this scripting idea and use compiled binaries - gamex86.dll - instead).
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[16:18:01] < i_c-Y> _krisk_: id venture games are a little too resource hungry now to do that in a reasonable fashion
[16:18:21] <+Merthslop> so, latenite doesn't work with brass 3?
[16:18:45] <@benryves> i_c-Y: Quite the opposite, more and more games have their logic implemented in scripts these days. :D
[16:19:04] <@benryves> Merthslop: It does and it doesn't. It's a pain to get working, so for the sake of argument I'll say "no".
[16:19:08] < i_c-Y> im talking about as a whole, benryves 
[16:19:59] <+Merthslop> is there an advantage to using brass3 that makes it worth not using the IDE?
[16:20:12] <@benryves> It's less broken.
[16:20:32] <+Merthslop> ah
[16:20:54] <@benryves> Still pretty broken, though. I'm fixing it as I go along. :\
[16:21:28] <@benryves> (And at least the source is available so you can fix it yourself if you'd like a bug fixed this century) ;)
[16:22:03] <+Merthslop> would you suggest someone starting out with z80 use it as a learning tool? Or is there something else I should look into?
[16:22:50] <@benryves> I'd stick with the assembler that the documentation you're using uses, which in the TI's case would probably be TASM.
[16:23:20] <@benryves> There's nothing wrong with TASM when learning, and the other assembler projects that have sprung up in recent years are mostly TASM compatible.
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[16:25:56] <+Merthslop> hmm, ok
[16:26:27] <@benryves> This is assuming that when you say you're learning Z80, you'd be learning it for the TI calculators. :)
[16:26:57] <+Merthslop> well, yeah
[16:27:07] <+Merthslop> this is tcpa, you know
[16:27:57] <@benryves> Heh, fair enough. You might have wanted to program your Speccy for all I know. :)
[16:28:07] <+Merthslop> i don't even know that that is :p
[16:28:16] <@benryves> Sinclair ZX Spectrum?
[16:28:44] <+Merthslop> oh, ok
[16:30:07]  * benryves has, fairly obviously, something of an affinity for early 80s computers.
[16:30:22] <+Merthslop> yeah have an affinity for lots of weird things
[16:32:47] <+Merthslop> you have*
[16:33:19] <+Merthslop> ok, time to leave
[16:33:21] <+Merthslop> see you guys
[16:33:24] <@benryves> See you!
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[16:33:54] <@efneTI92> [KermM] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
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[16:35:55] <@benryves> 'lo KermM :)
[16:43:13] < i_c-Y> sup
[16:43:34] < i_c-Y> benryves: did i tell you i joined the dark side?
[16:43:38] < i_c-Y> i bought a 50g
[16:43:45] < nicolas> 50g?
[16:43:47] < nicolas> oh.. HP?
[16:43:53] < i_c-Y> yes!
[16:44:48] < i_c-Y> its a bit cheaper than the 89 's, so i was like sweet. and bought it
[16:44:56] < i_c-Y> and it does more stuff
[16:45:01] < i_c-Y> and has an sd card slot too
[16:45:04] < i_c-Y> which is pretty sweet
[16:45:31] <@benryves> i_c-Y: Cool. :) I'm not really enamoured with TI's calculators, tbh, I only have one as they're the most popular (and recommended/required one when I was at school).
[16:46:05] <@benryves> From what I've seen of the few hp's I've encountered, they're generally much better machines.
[16:48:44] <+_krisk_> is the name vector applicable to any 3d point or does it have to be a direction and magnitude?
[16:49:26] < i_c-Y> well if you specify a point, you're specifying it relative to an origin.
[16:49:36] <@benryves> Damn your ninja fingers, i_c-Y. :P
[16:49:41] < _Auron_> lol
[16:49:52] < i_c-Y> so if i take a point (1,2,3), and wrote [1,2,3] , thats the vector from the origin to (1,2,3)
[16:50:01] < i_c-Y> benryves: ninjas are awesome :)
[16:50:09] <+_krisk_> yeah
[16:50:14] <+_krisk_> i thought it had a different name though
[16:50:56] <+_krisk_> to diffferentiate from vectors with only a value of 0 to 1 for each dimension
[16:51:21] < nicolas> that doesn't make sense...
[16:51:33] < i_c-Y> like [0,0,1] , [1,0,0], [0,1,0] ? thats a standard basis for R^3
[16:51:41] < i_c-Y> the standard basis rather
[16:51:55] < i_c-Y> (k hat, i hat, j hat)
[16:52:04] < i_c-Y> or s/hat/roof if you're from nl
[16:52:18] <+_krisk_> uhhhh
[16:52:49] < i_c-Y> or are you talking about normalized vectors ? (unit vectors)
[16:52:51] < nicolas> those would be unit vectors for each dimenion
[16:54:18] <+_krisk_> i_c-Y i have no idea what youre talking about but i guess i was being silly so thanks
[16:55:36] < nicolas> _krisk_: your question(s?) didn't really make sense
[16:55:49] < nicolas> a point specifies a point
[16:56:09] < nicolas> a vector specifies displacement between two points
[16:56:32] <+_krisk_> yeah and any pointi n 3d space can be used as a vector
[16:57:14] < nicolas> you can do the same in 2d
[16:57:22] <+_krisk_> yeah...
[16:57:26] < nicolas> or 6d
[16:57:28] <+_krisk_> so do i call them something points or vectors
[16:57:52] < nicolas> but it only would be a vector if you are talking about relative to (0,0,0,....)
[16:58:15] <+_krisk_> how can a numeric value not be relative to 0?
[16:58:33] < nicolas> its magnitude is relative to 0
[16:58:51] <@benryves> Technically, a "vector" is simply a 1-dimentional list of elements anyway. ;) It's all in the way you interpret what that means...
[16:58:51] < nicolas> but a point represents the point
[16:59:11] < nicolas> a "vector" refers to the displacement described
[16:59:15] < tr1p1ea> points have attributes
[16:59:42] <+_krisk_> exactly, a vector has additional.. behaviour
[17:00:00] < nicolas> not "additional" .. different
[17:00:22] < nicolas> point = position
[17:00:27] < nicolas> vector = change in position
[17:00:33] <+_krisk_> right
[17:01:31] <+_krisk_> and if you were to make classes of them the vector would have additional functionality for enacting that change whereas the point would only have functionality for working with the point itself
[17:02:47] < nicolas> and what functionality would that be ?
[17:03:30] < _Auron_> I think he's referring to rotations
[17:05:20] < nicolas> they would be the same as rotating a point around the origin :P
[17:05:35] <@benryves> Most implementations I've seen represent 3D points on a model as "vertices", which have a number of additional properties (their position is represented by a Vector3, but they also have a texture coordinate, normal, colour, anything else the programmer requires).
[17:06:37] <+_krisk_> "In geometry, a vertex (plural "vertices") is a special kind of point." there we go, thats what i was thinking about
[17:08:14] < nicolas> ah, yes, vertex is something else :Pp
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[17:08:53] < nicolas> usually is a point of intersection though, no ?
[17:10:08] <+_krisk_> polygons are a bunch of vertexes
[17:10:32] <@benryves> If you like. ;)
[17:11:30] <@benryves> Hm, do all the vertices in a polygon have to lie in the same plane?
[17:12:14] <+_krisk_> i think thats how they ten to be used but technically you could have polygons intersecting themselves and stuff so i guess not nessecarily
[17:12:18] <@benryves> That said, a polygon doesn't have to have vertices (see: a circle).
[17:12:38] <+_krisk_> yeah
[17:12:53] <+_krisk_> im not making a very.. examplary "3d engine" though...
[17:13:06] < nicolas> benryves: a circle has INFINITE vertices
[17:13:11] <@benryves> Quake called them "faces" and represented them as a planes (normal and offset) bounded by edges (each edge linking two vertices). :\
[17:13:13] <+patz2009> benryves: A circle is not a polygon.
[17:13:16] <+KermM> benryves: what ever happened to your really really sick engine?
[17:13:20] <+_krisk_> yeah polygons = faces generally
[17:13:30] < nicolas> patz2009: how is a circle not a polygon ?
[17:13:41] <+KermM> it has either zero or infinite vertices/edges
[17:13:45] <+KermM> depending on your interpretation
[17:13:54] <+KermM> a polygon has a finite nonzero number of each
[17:14:16] < nicolas> KermM: it has infinite...
[17:14:17] <@benryves> patz2009: Hrm, true. I guess.
[17:14:18] <+patz2009> a polygon is made up of line segments
[17:14:23] <+patz2009> which a circle has none of
[17:14:26] <+_krisk_> usually polygons have 3 or 4 vertexes
[17:14:38] <+KermM> those would be triangles and quadrilaterals
[17:14:41] <@benryves> _krisk_: That's a Carmackism. ;)
[17:14:47] <+KermM> I take issue with your "usually"....
[17:14:52] < nicolas> circle is a set of infinite points equidistant from the origin... 
[17:15:09] < nicolas> so you have no 3 points which are colinear ..
[17:15:13] <+patz2009> And therefore is not made up of line segments
[17:15:14] <+_krisk_> well in 3d rendering i mean
[17:15:38] <@benryves> Triangles are rather more popular these days. :\
[17:15:42] < nicolas> patz2009: yes you do, an infitine amount of them :P
[17:15:50] <+_krisk_> yeah, i think i wont use triangles though
[17:15:53] < nicolas> and infinitely small :P
[17:15:56] <@benryves> _krisk_: Why not?
[17:16:11] <+_krisk_> because im lazy and dont want to define a shitload of triangles for my models :P
[17:16:24] <@benryves> _krisk_: Hm, software renderer?
[17:16:27] <+_krisk_> my ideas is sort of a mix between 2d and box modeling
[17:16:27] <+_krisk_> yeah
[17:16:34] < nicolas> triangles are much cooler.. becuase of the SSS property :P
[17:16:38] <+_krisk_> im also too lazy to learn the whole 3d api thingies
[17:16:59] <@benryves> _krisk_: Ah, quads are probably better then -- you get less texture distortion when doing simple affine mapping on quads than triangles.
[17:17:42] <+_krisk_> yeah and ill probably mix simple things like cubes and spheres for the meshes rather than 1000000 polygons per model
[17:18:11] <@benryves> I assume this is a rasteriser?
[17:18:38] <@benryves> KermM: Oh; its condition worsened and it died.
[17:18:52] <+_krisk_> yeah im rendering to simple 2d images
[17:19:00] <+_krisk_> *bitmaps
[17:19:07] <@benryves> (As opposed to, say, a raytracer?)
[17:19:58] <+_krisk_> its all up for change because i have no clue what im doing (even using a model view approach.. in a realtime game.. lolwut) but right now its render object to small image then render images together onto the screen
[17:20:31] <@benryves> Hm, OK. Are you aiming for real-time?
[17:20:35] <+_krisk_> yeah
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[17:25:27] <+_krisk_> my idea is simple skeletons where each bone is a 3d shape like a box or something, render them to sprites and show them somewhere on the screen
[17:27:11] <+_krisk_> although if that fails i could just render the skeletons as lines and put a more conventional hardware 3d stuff on it
[17:27:18] <+_krisk_> ..alter
[17:27:20] <+_krisk_> *later
[17:28:17] <+_krisk_> its just to try out some gamepaly ideas i have
[17:28:33] <+_krisk_> and it would take too long to learn the whole opengl/direct thing
[17:30:02] <@benryves2> See above XNA discussion. ^ :)
[17:32:52] <+_krisk_> will that easily let me do things like split models up (axe + person = bad news) and generate models based on just a few points for the bones?
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[18:03:43] <+_krisk_> translation.x = Math.cos(cameraRotation.y)*(Math.sin(cameraRotation.z)*(this.y-cameraPosition.y)+Math.cos(cameraRotation.z)*(this.x-cameraPosition.x))-Math.sin(cameraRotation.y)*(this.z-cameraPosition.z);
[18:03:48] <+_krisk_> thats not going to be much fun in realtiem is it?
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[18:10:36] < i_c-Y> just got my sennheisers
[18:11:24] <+_krisk_> cool
[18:11:26] <+_krisk_> what model?
[18:11:50] < Netham45> I have some HDR 120 sennheisers.
[18:11:56] < Netham45> very high quality
[18:12:11] < Netham45> wireless too
[18:13:07] < i_c-Y> HD202
[18:13:13] < Netham45> wireless?
[18:13:16] < i_c-Y> they're the low end ones but the sound is good
[18:13:17] < i_c-Y> no
[18:13:19] < Netham45> ah'
[18:13:27] < Netham45> these ones were ~$120 when I got them
[18:13:32] < Netham45> I think they've dropped in price though
[18:13:36] < Netham45> but, I got them for free
[18:13:44] < i_c-Y> these are normally like 30
[18:13:45] < Netham45> my brother got them for me with coke points. ^.^
[18:13:52] < i_c-Y> but after some magic i got em for like 8
[18:14:03] < Netham45> nice
[18:16:40] <+_krisk_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/6/d/0/6d0d92501053c97f69b317e7f966fc8f.png that means "bx = (dx-ex)*(ez/dz)" right?
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[18:52:44] < i_c-Y> _krisk_: a_b is the partial derivative of a with respect to b in some contexts, and in other contexts (which this might be one, d_x might mean the x component of d , since d looks bolded implying its a vector)
[18:53:45] <+_krisk_> yeah but i mean the )( = )*( thing
[18:56:50] < i_c-Y> o_0
[18:57:01] < i_c-Y> it says b_x = (d_x - e_x) * (e_z / d_z)
[18:57:07] <+_krisk_> ok : )
[18:57:21] < i_c-Y> and b_y = (d_y-e_y)*(e_z / d_z)
[18:57:42] <+_krisk_> was afraid it might be some scary implied vector matrix related algebra notation something
[18:57:52] <+_krisk_> hmm
[18:58:13] < i_c-Y> it should just be components
[18:58:18] <+_krisk_> yeah
[18:58:25] < i_c-Y> if it were a matrix or tensor youd have more than one indexing subscript.
[18:58:29] <+_krisk_> one thing i dont get though
[18:59:07] <+_krisk_> if e_z = 0 then the vector will always be rendered at 0,0
[18:59:18] <+_krisk_> wait thats actually logical
[19:00:23] <+_krisk_> if its relative to the camera anyway
[19:01:45] <+_krisk_> cool, its rendering something now
[19:15:26] < aardvarq> So the cops found my roommate's stolen bike ring last night.
[19:17:01] < i_c-Y> i told you you should have hidden it outside of your room
[19:18:57] < aardvarq> It was in the empty neighbor room. Which is probably how they found it. They would need a warrant to wander into mine!
[19:19:14] <+_krisk_> why were they looking for it?
[19:19:41] < aardvarq> Cause they can sense crime.
[19:19:45] < aardvarq> What are you asking?
[19:21:17] <+_krisk_> just wondering why cops would be looking for someone's bicycle ring
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[19:22:12] < aardvarq> As opposed to, like, lumberjacks looking for someone's bike ring? :-)
[19:22:20] < i_c-Y> whats a bicycle ring anyway?
[19:22:39] <+_krisk_> i mean like, cause and effect wise
[19:23:42] < aardvarq> Probably the suspiciousness of a place that's supposed to be empty being full floor to ceiling with bikes and someone nosy calling it in.
[19:24:01] < aardvarq> Or something.
[19:24:44] <+_krisk_> cool
[19:24:47] <+_krisk_> how did it get lost then?
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[19:25:08] < aardvarq> i_c-Y: either several bicycles positioned in a circular pattern, or an organized outfit for profiting from the disposal of stolen bicycles.
[19:25:17] < aardvarq> lost?
[19:26:31] <+_krisk_> well you said they found your roommate's stolen bike ring, so how did he lose said bike ring?
[19:27:01] < aardvarq> Probably about the time they started loading them into evidence trucks.
[19:27:07] <+patz2009> obviously it was stolen.
[19:27:36] <+_krisk_> oh i thought he lost a bike ring that he stole from someone
[19:28:19] < aardvarq> Okay, maybe I should clarify. When I say ring, I really do mean "outfit".
[19:28:33] <+_krisk_> nah im just being silly
[19:28:39] <@E-J> lord of the outfits?
[19:28:44] < aardvarq> I dunno how organized it was, but the whole trying to sell stolen bikes thing. LOTS of stolen bikes.
[19:29:04] < aardvarq> Yeah like a zoot suit.
[19:29:05] < aardvarq> '
[19:29:14] <+_krisk_> hur one of my vertexes is being projected to 2147483647, 2147483647... fun...
[19:29:31] <+Sasha^> Swede?
[19:29:38] < aardvarq> plural of vertex is vertices
[19:29:44] <+_krisk_> yes
[19:29:47] <+Sasha^> ;)
[19:30:00] < aardvarq> And that vertex probably won't get rendered unless you up your resolution a bit.
[19:30:23] <+_krisk_> yeah.. its drawing a line to the top right corner for some reason
[19:30:28] <+_krisk_> top left sorry
[19:32:38] <+_krisk_> oh divide by zero... what fun in a 0,0,0 originating coordinate system
[19:33:08] <@E-J> Sasha^: he is dutch, svenska med parts of english and german
[19:33:38] <+Sasha^> Aha, now i fattar.
[19:34:21] <@E-J> and my swedish is as bad as normal finnish can have :)
[19:35:22] <+_krisk_> a dutchie who just discoevered that 100*11/0 = 2147483647
[19:35:39] <+Sasha^> :O
[19:36:35] <+_krisk_> i guess 3d objects arent allowed to touch 0 on the z axis
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[19:53:15] < Sir_Lewk> AWAKENED
[19:53:25] <+_krisk_> lo
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[20:58:49] < Akash> hey guys
[20:58:54] <+_krisk_> lo
[20:58:58] < Akash> i need some help
[20:59:04] < i_c-Y> ok
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[20:59:15] < Akash> i just turned on my ti 84
[20:59:24] < Akash> there is 1 pixel
[20:59:25] < chronomex> congratulation you passed the test
[20:59:34] < Akash> then the next 10 pixels are gone
[20:59:40] < Akash> then i can see everything else
[20:59:47] < chronomex> where is this?
[20:59:59] < Akash> what do you mean
[21:00:01] < chronomex> where on the screen, I mean
[21:00:02] < Akash> on my screen
[21:00:07] < Akash> left side
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[21:00:12] < Akash> 1 pixel is there
[21:00:17] < chronomex> one pixel or one column of pixels?
[21:00:27] < Akash> one column
[21:00:30] < chronomex> okay
[21:00:34] < Akash> then 10 columns are gone
[21:00:34] < chronomex> far left?
[21:00:36] < chronomex> right
[21:00:37] < Akash> yep
[21:00:38] < chronomex> hmmmm
[21:00:41] < chronomex> is it brand new?
[21:00:47] < Akash> 3 years old
[21:00:49] < chronomex> o
[21:00:59] < Akash> it did fall this morning out of my backup
[21:01:04] < chronomex> try calling 1-800-ti-cares, you might be able to get them to replace it
[21:01:12] < i_c-Y> HAHA, like TI cares...
[21:01:14] < chronomex> they do
[21:01:18] < Akash> lol
[21:01:20] < chronomex> my rubber pads fell off
[21:01:23] < Akash> thanks for the suggestion
[21:01:27] < chronomex> they sent me replacements that ... didn't fit
[21:01:29] < Akash> i need it for my finals soon
[21:01:32] < chronomex> hmmm
[21:01:37] < chronomex> that may be a problem
[21:01:59] < Akash> anything i can do?
[21:02:03] < chronomex> not really
[21:02:09] < Akash> oh darn
[21:02:13] < chronomex> displays are nearly impossible to fix
[21:02:26] < chronomex> I'd whack it on the table once or twice, but not too hard
[21:02:27] < i_c-Y> you're better off picking up a new calc or dealing with it as is.
[21:02:32] < chronomex> yes
[21:02:39] < Akash> i can deal with it
[21:02:55] < Akash> eh, i will try a call
[21:03:20] < i_c-Y> ive only seen 1 successful display fix. they aren't going to replace something or fix it in a short amount of time for one
[21:03:26] < i_c-Y> and two not under accidental damage
[21:04:01] < Akash>  i will give it a shot
[21:17:21] < Akash> on the phone
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[21:20:48] <+Tari> yay
[21:20:52] < i_c-Y> ?
[21:21:04] <+Tari> I can save $4 getting a zune LCD of ebay rather than a retailer I had never heard of before
[21:21:10] <+Tari> *off ebay
[21:21:13] < i_c-Y> nice
[21:21:25] <+Tari> since I managed to crack mine :(
[21:22:29] < i_c-Y> congrats
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[21:24:52] < Akash> yep, they are not covering it
[21:24:52] <@efneTI92> [Sir_Lewk] ...And so he rose from the ashes, no longer man but technological conglomerate
[21:24:57] < Akash> this sucks
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[21:28:47] < chronomex> Tari: you have a zune?
[21:28:53] < chronomex> ... they exist?
[21:28:53] <+Tari> yeah
[21:29:15] < chronomex> I have only seen like two
[21:29:18] < chronomex> here in microsoftland
[21:29:40] <+Tari> at least four people at my school have them
[21:29:59] < chronomex> hmmmmm ok
[21:30:00] <+TheStorm> Me included
[21:30:14] <+TheStorm> Zune's kick @$$
[21:30:53] < chronomex> if you say so
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[21:31:17] < tifreak> I will remain happy with my little 1gb Sandisk... :)
[21:31:36] <+Tari> :)
[21:31:59] < tifreak> I only have 40 or 50 songs on it anyways
[21:32:11] < chronomex> my sandisk's headphone jack died
[21:32:22] < chronomex> one of the contacts doesn't contact any more
[21:32:26] < chronomex> damn thing
[21:32:27] < tifreak> :/
[21:32:52] < chronomex> I tried prying it up with small pointy things, but I couldn't get under it
[21:33:07] <+Tari> until I get a new LCD I'm using my 1G suckPod shuffle
[21:41:42] < Spengwork> heh
[21:41:47] < Spengwork> I always use a PSP or DS
[21:41:54] < Spengwork> gigantic bricks in my pocket!
[21:42:14] < Spengwork> but they have the added ability to play games, IRC, or browse the interbutts if I so choose
[21:42:22] <+patz2009> PSP > all
[21:42:34] < Spengwork> I just wish there were bigger flash cards for it
[21:42:50] < Spengwork> or maybe a hard drive lol :P
[21:43:16] <+TheStorm> I love how people are always saying how big the Zune 30's are when they are the same size as the older Ipods
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[21:44:10] <@efneTI92> [Merthsoft] Heat, time, and pressure; the things needed to make diamonds also make waffles.
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[21:44:24] < Spengwork> and new ipods are only 8GB lol
[21:44:44] <+patz2009> PSP is still better.
[21:44:54] < chronomex> my 92+ smokes all these
[21:45:18] <+patz2009> Except for the fact that most of these can actually run the TI-92+
[21:45:19] < tifreak> yay for the 92+ ^_^
[21:45:23] <+patz2009> including the PSP
[21:45:31]  * chronomex stabs patz2009
[21:45:35] <+patz2009> >_>
[21:45:37] < chronomex> but it's bigger so it must be better
[21:45:59] <+patz2009> ...desu...
[21:46:26] < Spengwork> I just wish the browser was better on psp
[21:46:35] < Spengwork> and better keyboard..
[21:46:53] <+patz2009> I like the one keyboard you always see in homebrew apps
[21:49:40] < Spengwork> yeah, with the analog stick
[21:49:54] <+TheStorm> There isn't a keyboard mod yet come on get to work on that
[21:50:03] < Spengwork> yeah there is
[21:50:08] <+patz2009> There is for the phat one using IR keyboards
[21:50:12] < Spengwork> for a $70 IR keyboard
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[21:54:02] < i_c-Y> im waiting for my 50g
[21:54:05] < i_c-Y> it has been shipped
[21:54:06] < i_c-Y> :)
[21:54:29] <+Tari> I'm waiting for my LCD
[21:54:33] <+Tari> it hasn't been shipped
[21:54:46] <+_krisk_> im waiting for my goth/metal chick
[21:54:53] <+_krisk_> dont know of it has been shipped yet
[21:54:53] < chronomex> has she been shipped?
[21:59:04] < Spengwork> oddly enough I find myself using the PSP more for music and portable interbutts/IRC than games
[21:59:50] < chronomex> hah
[21:59:58] < i_c-Y> i wish i had a mp3 player
[22:01:45] < i_c-Y> wtf bash wont update
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[22:09:09] < Spengwork> I seem to use it more than the DS too
[22:09:24] < Spengwork> because although DS IRC is better, PSP web browser is vastly superior to opera DS
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[22:49:59] < _Auron_> Spengwork: I spent $30 on a clearance IR keyboard :P
[22:50:12]  * patz2009 == jealous
[22:50:19] < _Auron_> almost a year ago
[22:50:27] < _Auron_> I don't really use it though
[22:50:32] < _Auron_> since I have my eeePC
[22:52:19] <+patz2009> Donate it to the Patz Wants an IR Keyboard fund?
[22:52:21] <+patz2009> :P
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[22:52:26] < _Auron_> my friend ordered an 8800GT, 4GB RAM, and some 64bit dual-core cpu
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[22:52:53] <@efneTI92> [Sir_Lewk] ...And so he rose from the ashes, no longer man but technological conglomerate
[22:55:04] < Netham45> http://bash.org/?69713     how ironic that this quote is at -185
[22:56:19] < chronomex> lol
[22:56:21] < _Auron_> -186 now
[22:56:30] <+patz2009> I didn't do anything... >_>
[22:56:33] <+_krisk_> 7
[22:56:44] < _Auron_> nor did I
[22:57:09] <+_krisk_> i did
[22:57:10] < i_c-Y> nice.
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[23:00:05]  * Netham45 is listening to: The B-52's - Big Bird  [3:59/4:13] 128kbps - 44Khz
[23:00:11] < Netham45> this song... scares me...
[23:00:27] < tifreak> krisk mail order goth girl must have come in... XD
[23:00:47] < Netham45> !qadd * _krisk_ has quit (Quit: User excited) | <tifreak> krisk mail order goth girl must have come in... XD
[23:00:52] < Netham45> :P
[23:00:59] < tifreak> lol
[23:01:50] < chronomex> cute
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[23:03:53] < tifreak> lol, just using what was already there chronomex :D
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[23:08:44] < tifreak> besides, krisk is easy to burn, sometimes..
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[23:14:06] < MrAndrsn> so... the Facebook Copyright 2008 at the bottom of each facebook page has some titles all around it
[23:14:10] < MrAndrsn> I wonder if it's a puzzle
[23:14:58] < Nikky> It's proabbly page generation
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[23:18:07] < Netham45> Nikky, you're page generation.
[23:28:29] < MrAndrsn> ok, so this girl is doing the sound at a play
[23:28:41] < MrAndrsn> and I might go.. and she says that if I go, I have to say hi
[23:28:52] < MrAndrsn> is that a hint or not necessarily?
[23:29:10] < tifreak> means she wants to see you there, it sounds like to me.. :P
[23:29:20] < tifreak> I would go, if nothing else to say hi
[23:29:28] < MrAndrsn> yeah, I probably won't enjoy the play
[23:29:32] < MrAndrsn> but you never know
[23:29:37] < tifreak> yup
[23:29:41] < MrAndrsn> I've never seen a non-professional one
[23:29:49] < MrAndrsn> I've enjoyed the few professional ones that I've seen
[23:29:53] < MrAndrsn> lion king, beauty and the beast
[23:30:04] < MrAndrsn> les mis
[23:31:28] < tifreak> never been one for plays
[23:31:40] < tifreak> unless things explode or get destroyed, then I am content :)
[23:32:04] < MrAndrsn> but that would make it even better
[23:32:34] < tifreak> yup
[23:33:27] < MrAndrsn> oohh I see 
[23:33:33] < MrAndrsn> that was all the same sentence
[23:33:56] < tifreak> lol
[23:38:01] < MrAndrsn> I am the most awkward person ever
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[23:42:08] < MrAndrsn> I fail.
[23:42:28] < tifreak> lol
[23:42:37] < MrAndrsn> I had it.
[23:42:40] < MrAndrsn> I just don't have any guts
[23:42:46] < tifreak> I doubt you are more akward/shy than I am
[23:43:51] < MrAndrsn> this girl is way nice, so I'm reluctant to take anything she says as a hint of any kind
[23:44:27] < MrAndrsn> so pretty much I disregard anything positive she says, and seriously consider everything negative
[23:44:40] < tifreak> well.. women are tricky from what I have observed.. though I have been told on many occasions you can't really get anywhere if you don't take even the smallest of risks.. :/
[23:44:59] < tifreak> Go see her, and check her reaction then
[23:45:05] < MrAndrsn> I'll see her at church, so when she says "see you sunday, if not before"... i want to think that she wants to see me before
[23:45:13] < MrAndrsn> but I won't think that because I'm a wuss
[23:45:52] < MrAndrsn> it would be awesome if some day she finds my website or something and goes through the IRC logs and reads this
[23:46:22] < tifreak> lol, I wish I was in a position that to get even minute attentions from a chick all I had to do was show up where she worked... that would be super easy XD
[23:46:55] < MrAndrsn> well, try it with a girl that doesn't know you yet
[23:47:07] < MrAndrsn> a lot of girls will at least give you a chance if they don't know you
[23:47:13] < MrAndrsn> at least a 2 minute conversation
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[23:47:25] < MrAndrsn> until she finds out how weird you are
[23:47:26] <@efneTI92> [Spengo] so when are we going to ban infolines?
[23:47:32] < tifreak> heh.. unless you are as ugly as I am, then you're screwed anyways.. XD
[23:47:40] < MrAndrsn> girls don't care as much about that
[23:47:53] < tifreak> lol, yeah right, they do around here..
[23:48:05] < Nikky> MrAndrsn is sexy
[23:48:06] < Spengo> girls don't care about what
[23:48:08] < MrAndrsn>  <<< exhibit A
[23:48:18] < MrAndrsn> they don't care as much about looks
[23:48:20] < tifreak> though, if I am in my CAP uniform, and on my motorcycle, I get looks anyways :)
[23:48:23] < Spengo> sure they do
[23:48:28] < Spengo> you don't know many girls do you...
[23:48:32] < MrAndrsn> they care more about money than looks
[23:48:32] < tifreak> lol
[23:48:49] < MrAndrsn> money is the number one reason that girls like guys
[23:49:02] < MrAndrsn> there was some poll taken, and money came out on top
[23:49:05] < MrAndrsn> looks was way down the list
[23:49:12] < Spengo> yeah I guess legolas is pretty rich nowadays right?
[23:49:33] < MrAndrsn> seen extras?
[23:49:35] <@efneTI86> I don't know who extras? is.
[23:49:39] < MrAndrsn> haha
[23:49:45] < MrAndrsn> series 2 episode 1
[23:49:47] < MrAndrsn> orlando bloom
[23:49:48] < Spengo> they all love orlando bloom
[23:49:55] < MrAndrsn> the main girl character says it clearly
[23:50:05] < MrAndrsn> if he wasn't famous (and rich), girls wouldn't like him
[23:50:16] <+Tari> !qadd <Spengo> yeah I guess legolas is pretty rich nowadays right?|<MrAndrsn> seen extras?
[23:50:17] <+Tari> |<efneTI86> I don't know who extras? is.
[23:50:17] <@efneTI86> Quote 1275 added
[23:50:17] < Spengo> heh
[23:50:39] < MrAndrsn> !qdel 1275
[23:50:41] <@efneTI86> Deleted quote 1275
[23:50:47] <+Tari> :(
[23:50:56] < MrAndrsn> !qadd <Spengo> yeah I guess legolas is pretty rich nowadays right?|<MrAndrsn> seen extras?  |<efneTI86> I don't know who extras? is.
[23:50:59] <@efneTI86> Quote 1276 added
[23:51:07] < tifreak> was gonna say, you are gonna load that, but not my burn on krisk, then that saddens me.. :/
[23:51:10] < tifreak> ...
[23:51:12] <+Tari> !q
[23:51:13] <@efneTI86> 934: <Kerm|ZZZZ> Nikky == pointy shoes with bells | <ryantmer> Elf? | <Cookiemoo> Do they make noises if I play with them? |<Merthsoft> THere's a lot of Jesters aroung here | <ryantmer> WHAT?! | <ryantmer> Oh, bells. | <DSP_Lord> he said bells, not balls | <ryantmer> Did not see bells. | <ryantmer> Saw balls. | <DSP_Lord> XD [Added: Merthsoft at 2007/07/12 23:07]
[23:51:13] < tifreak> bummer >.<
[23:55:54] < MrAndrsn> but anyway... then she says "have a good weekend"
[23:56:01] < MrAndrsn> that means "I'm not going to see you until next week"
[23:56:12] < tifreak> because she wants you to prove her wrong?
[23:56:23] < i_c-Y> show her a good weekend, MrAndrsn 
[23:56:34] < i_c-Y> hint hint.
[23:56:43] < tifreak> "Mr Anderson, welcome back.. We've missed you.." ^_^
[23:56:44] < i_c-Y> might i reccomend a place with beds?
[23:56:52] < tifreak> I am thinkin of poppin that movie in now..
[23:57:02] < i_c-Y> i dont think lance bass here got the hint.
[23:57:06] < tifreak> curses... got too much to do with projects... ><
[23:57:10] < tifreak> lol
[23:57:12] < MrAndrsn> that's the same thing as saying "see you next week"
[23:57:37] < MrAndrsn> she wouldn't expect me to say "ohhhh, if I see you then my weekend will be good!!! dur hurrr"
[23:57:54] < tifreak> she expects to only see you next week.. you need to show up and surprise her ;)
[23:58:08] <+Tari> O_o
[23:58:13] <+Tari> my DVD drive suddenly spun up
[23:58:31] < tifreak> lol
[23:58:33] < MrAndrsn> certain OS functions require all drives to be looked at
[23:58:41] < MrAndrsn> like, for example, emptying the trash/recycle bin
[23:58:53] <+Tari> ..what?
[23:59:00] <+Tari> wrong window?
[23:59:13] < MrAndrsn> if you have a drive that turns off after a while, empty the recycle bin when it's off
[23:59:18] < MrAndrsn> it will wait until the drive spins up again
[23:59:36] <+Tari> except it's a DVD drive
[23:59:45] <+Tari> ==removable storage
[23:59:48] < MrAndrsn> can it be written to?
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