--- Log opened Tue May 20 00:00:01 2008
--- Day changed Tue May 20 2008
[00:00:01] < _Auron_> lately I've been inspired to simply /do/ things, like working out, and I went through tankies posts earlier today.
[00:00:04] <+Merthsoft> you should give it a whirl, might be fun
[00:00:08] < _Auron_> I'm thinking about redoing tankies from scratch, starting this week
[00:00:19] <+Merthsoft> for the calc?
[00:00:20] < Nikky> cool
[00:00:21] < _Auron_> yes
[00:00:25] < _Auron_> still in TI-BASIC
[00:00:30] <+Merthsoft> neat
[00:00:31] < _Auron_> but I think I could make it more efficient now that I've coded more since then
[00:00:46] <+Merthsoft> hmm
[00:01:01] < _Auron_> I just don't want to pull piece by piece of what I already have and try to fix it while also trying to figure out wtf everything is doing
[00:01:18] < Nikky> yep
[00:01:26] < Nikky> it's usually better to start over if you have the drive
[00:01:43] < _Auron_> plus I thought of something great for tankies that'll help replay value
[00:02:12] <+Merthsoft> mucking through sucks more than redoing
[00:02:19] < _Auron_> indeed
[00:02:38] < _Auron_> when trying to convert abscencia to OOP... I wanted to shoot people out of fury.
[00:02:52] <+Merthsoft> hrm, yeah
[00:02:59] < _Auron_> then I kinda gave up on it and didn't care if I made it to nationals, but I got 2nd in nationals anyways o.O
[00:03:11] < _Auron_> I bet if I redid it again from scratch I'd do a hell of a lot better
[00:03:49] <+Merthsoft> well, you should also make some zombies
[00:03:53] < _Auron_> what took me a month for abscencia ended up in about 2-3 days of an equivalent engine for tinipolis (which I scrapped)
[00:03:57] <+Merthsoft> top-downish kind
[00:04:05] < _Auron_> o.O
[00:04:23] < _Auron_> rpg eagle view or literally top-down?
[00:04:30] <+Merthsoft> :?
[00:04:47] <+Merthsoft> in between?
[00:04:59] < _Auron_> I'm not sure what you mean then, I'd need an example
[00:05:06] < _Auron_> gta1&2 meaning top-down
[00:05:29] < _Auron_> uh.. any 2d console rpg and some sidescrollers would be eagle view
[00:05:33] <+Merthsoft> yeah, like that
[00:05:36] <+Merthsoft> the first
[00:05:48] < _Auron_> I don't see how you could make a zombie sprite from top-down view and make them look like a zombie
[00:06:10] <+Merthsoft> man, i wish i still had that game
[00:06:21] <+Merthsoft> i forget what it's called, but it's top-down zombie game
[00:06:22] < _Auron_> or for the most part even get distinguishable detail
[00:07:22] < _Auron_> anyhow, I need to work
[00:07:23] <+Merthsoft> i bet the latter would be good, then
[00:07:35] <+Merthsoft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Survival_Crisisz.jpg there it is
[00:07:39] <+Merthsoft> guess it's more the second
[00:08:10] < _Auron_> yeah that's not topdown at all
[00:08:32] < _Auron_> topdown to me means you're directly above them and most of the image is just their head and their arms
[00:09:01] <+Merthsoft> yeah
[00:09:03] <+Merthsoft> i was wrong
[00:09:06] <+Merthsoft> my bad
[00:10:53] < _Auron_> np
[00:14:01] <+Merthsoft> shiiiiit
[00:14:07] <+Merthsoft> anyone watching bones?
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[00:26:18] < mokomull> ... interesting tidbit: King County, TX is the third least populous county in the US
[00:27:30] < Netham45> fascinating!
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[00:40:52] <+TD-Linux> I need some questions to ask a vietnam veteran
[00:42:20] < chronomex> mokomull: that's mildly fascinating
[00:42:28] < chronomex> hwo many people does it have in it?
[00:42:47] < mokomull> and King County WA is the 12th *most* populous :)
[00:43:18] < mokomull> 356 as of 2000
[00:43:30] < chronomex> I didn't know that
[00:43:54] < Netham45> TD-Linux, ask him about the weather.
[00:44:11] < MrAndrsn> ask him about the rain
[00:44:15] < Netham45> yea
[00:44:17] < MrAndrsn> all of the different kinds of rain
[00:44:25] < MrAndrsn> the rain that comes straight up, the stinging rain
[00:44:52] < MrAndrsn> if he slept against the back of another soldier so they didn't have to sleep with their heads in the mud
[00:44:53] < MrAndrsn> etc
[00:45:06] < chronomex> lol
[00:49:29] < Netham45> ask him what still disturbs him today
[00:49:32] < Netham45> see if you can make him cry
[00:49:48] < Netham45> I'm going to hell.
[00:49:55] < chronomex> Yep :P
[00:50:20] <+TD-Linux> you're already there
[00:50:25] < chronomex> shhh
[00:51:44] < Netham45> yoiu're right, I'm in #tcpa.
[00:51:52] < chronomex> ooo burn
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[01:41:45] <@efneTI92> [|Tyler2|] I no longer speak fluent dialup.
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[01:46:48] < Nikky> Hi Salomon_ 
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[02:20:56] < Sir_Lewk> crack crazed neanderthals
[02:21:16] < Sir_Lewk> at the 7-11 :O
[02:24:22] < chronomex> sounds fun, Sir_Lewk
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[02:30:07] <@efneTI92> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[03:02:54] < Nikky> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=7990&hl=
[03:03:01] < Nikky> where do these people get ideas like this?
[03:04:00] < i_c-Y> perl. 
[03:04:08] < i_c-Y> juuuuuust kidding.
[03:04:11] < i_c-Y> all i know its not java
[03:04:59] < i_c-Y> Because then it would be System.Languages.Really_Short.Pronouns((Male) you) or some other absurd thing
[03:06:04] < i_c-Y> maybe its residual from writing too much shitty assembly - now they want to write a shitty language.
[03:06:23] < i_c-Y> it will be "Pseudo"english asm or something
[03:06:25] < Nikky> something like that
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[03:52:08] < Netham45> seen brandonw
[03:52:09] <@efneTI86> brandonw was last on IRC channel #tcpa 33 days, 22 hours, 6 minutes ago.
[03:52:21] < Nikky> you drove him off
[03:52:27] < chronomex> yes
[03:52:31] < chronomex> er
[03:52:31] < Netham45> ok?
[03:52:31] < chronomex> maybe
[03:54:08] < Nikky> yeah, he said that too
[03:54:17] < Nikky> "I just can't stand netham and the others who goof off all the time"
[03:54:50] < Netham45> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=7951&view=findpost&p=123603
[03:55:00] < Netham45> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=7951&view=findpost&p=123639
[03:55:10] < Netham45> "Just because I'm not in that one channel doesn't mean you're not free to contact me, even just to chat...even you, Netham."
[03:56:02] < Netham45> "As far as #tcpa, I don't think I need to remind you guys that it has degenerated into a useless channel, at least for calculator talk, which is why I'm around. I'm far more productive when I'm not there, and I'm making good progress on USB things."
[03:57:08] < Nikky> Stop spamming
[03:59:53] < i_c-Y> http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=2f84cc33-40ac-4e4c-bc82-2c198390ea84
[04:00:54] < Netham45> O.O
[04:02:20] < Netham45> OUCH
[04:18:25] < Sir_Lewk> lolol
[04:18:54] < Sir_Lewk> we have a word to describe something like that
[04:19:05] < Sir_Lewk> "hamburger meat"
[04:19:11] < Sir_Lewk> xD
[04:25:54] < _Auron_> omg
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[04:26:33] < Sir_Lewk> I used to know a kid who got fscked up under a ride on mower
[04:26:42] < Sir_Lewk> he was also dumb as shit
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[04:27:18] < _Auron_> 16ºC.. I wish I lived there
[04:27:27] < _Digital> judging from you first comment about him and you grammar that I cannot understand. I'd say you're right there with him Sir_Lewk 
[04:27:28] < chronomex> it's 20C outside here, _Auron_
[04:27:28] < _Digital> ;)
[04:27:53] < _Digital> 26C outside here
[04:27:58] < _Auron_> 28C here
[04:28:05] < chronomex> it was 28C yesterday
[04:28:37] < _Auron_> it was 37C earlier today
[04:28:43] < _Auron_> when I went to dallas
[04:29:04] < Sir_Lewk> *I used to know a kid who got fucked up underneath a riding mower
[04:29:25] < Sir_Lewk> better?
[04:29:29] < _Auron_> lol
[04:29:39] < _Digital> its been 38C the past two days over here
[04:29:53] < _Digital> yes, Sir_Lewk
[04:30:35] < _Digital> if you put in a hyphen so its 'ride-on' you'd be fine too
[04:31:07] < Sir_Lewk> http://gizmodo.com/391794/flying-rc-penis-disrupts-garry-kasparov-speech <== now *that's* new :P
[04:31:11] < Sir_Lewk> *news
[04:31:25] < chronomex> lol yes, it's a couple million years old
[04:32:10] < Sir_Lewk> doesn't even matter, that's what I expect to see when I read the news
[04:32:33] < Sir_Lewk> quality information that pertains directly to me
[04:33:32] < _Digital> you'll never get a girl unless shes just as much a perv
[04:34:01] < Sir_Lewk> or maybe I will never talk to her on irc ;P
[04:36:48] < chronomex> I'm trying to woo a girl who goes on irc, but not anywhere I go
[04:36:53] < chronomex> it's like :S
[04:38:45] < Netham45> go find her
[04:38:49] < Netham45> talk to the ops on her servers
[04:39:05] < Netham45> see if you can become an oper, tell her you'll g-line her if she doesn't go out with you.
[04:39:14] < Netham45> that simple
[04:40:18] < chronomex> no, I've already been out with her
[04:40:35] < chronomex> *gone
[04:40:41] < chronomex> she's that cool
[04:40:45] < Sir_Lewk> I met a girl who is into rogue-likes
[04:40:59] < chronomex> I thought you said you met a girl who's a roguelike
[04:41:05] < Sir_Lewk> which is sweet because I am too, and am actually writing one
[04:41:30] < Sir_Lewk> but she is a total whore, nerdy whore, but still...
[04:42:58] < chronomex> :S
[04:43:03] < chronomex> mixed curse
[04:43:33] < _Auron_> lol
[04:43:44] < Sir_Lewk> yeah, she's kinky too
[04:43:56] < Sir_Lewk> ie, IM's me weird porn on a regular basis
[04:43:57] < _Auron_> I've wanted to make a rogue-like before
[04:44:01] < _Auron_> but I wouldn't know where to start
[04:44:20] < _Auron_> Sir_Lewk: oh okay so she's like my friend's girlfriend :P
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[04:57:26] < _Auron_> dude gauntlet for DS :x
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[05:00:32] < millinao> WTF
[05:00:39] < millinao> http://digg.com/comedy/Kama_Sutra_For_IT_People
[05:00:45] < millinao> EVERY SINGLE COMMENT has been buried
[05:00:53] < chronomex> nice
[05:01:05] < millinao> not by more than -4 either
[05:01:14] < prime_> now if the whole site would get buried
[05:02:11] < millinao> I still want a site like that, but with a standard IT knowledge test
[05:02:38] < millinao> to keep out the idiots who upload politics/pop culture crap
[05:04:49] < chronomex> millinao: world's full of them
[05:05:06] < millinao> such as?
[05:05:45] < chronomex> ...
[05:05:56] < prime_> such as millinao
[05:05:57] < millinao> OH
[05:05:59] < millinao> heh
[05:06:24] < Netham45> PWNT!
[05:06:27] < millinao> I thought you were reffering to the sites, heh
[05:06:30] < Netham45> xD
[05:08:39] < millinao> reddit.com/r/programming is still pretty good though
[05:28:14] < _Auron_> I want to DDos my own network -.-
[05:29:11] < millinao> Sadist.
[05:29:41] < Nikky> I've done that
[05:29:41] < _Auron_> for a particular reason
[05:29:51] < Nikky> I sent a ping like every .00000000001 with a size of 65000
[05:29:57] < Nikky> my router disagreed
[05:30:04] < millinao> haha
[05:30:40] < millinao> :l; ping; goto l; ftw
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[05:31:56] < millinao> i didn't even know you could set the buffer size of ping
[05:32:19] < Nikky> sure you can
[05:32:30] < millinao> yes, I see that now
[05:32:47] < Nikky> [-i interval] and [-s packetsize]
[05:32:52] < millinao> if you send with a buffer size over the computer's ram, would it crash the computer
[05:33:10] < millinao> i don't know how allocation of that would work
[05:33:21] < Nikky> well
[05:33:27] < Nikky> it sent a few pings thorough
[05:33:30] < Nikky> then got angry really fast
[05:33:32] < chronomex> packet maxsize is 64k
[05:33:33] < millinao> haha
[05:33:45] < millinao> chronomex: on unix or windows?
[05:33:51] < chronomex> millinao: on the Internet
[05:33:58] < millinao> oh, lol
[05:34:04] < chronomex> so, yes
[05:34:19] < millinao> well, a subnet is not the internet
[05:34:36] < chronomex> it's an IP limitation
[05:34:38] < chronomex> hard-limit
[05:34:40] < chronomex> deal with it
[05:34:56] < millinao> well, 64k is still pretty big
[05:34:58] < chronomex> yes
[05:35:07] < chronomex> it's colloquially called a jumbogram
[05:35:21] < prime_> like Nikky's mom
[05:35:24]  * chronomex nods
[05:35:48] < Netham45> I have DoS'd my own network
[05:35:52] < chronomex> An optional feature of IPv6, the jumbo payload option, allows the exchange of packets of up to 4 GiB, or 4,294,967,296 bytes, by making use of a 32 bit length field. Packets with such long payloads are called jumbograms.
[05:35:53] < Netham45> it's not very fun. :(
[05:35:56] < chronomex> sheeyit
[05:36:09] < millinao> I know, I read that too :D
[05:36:21] < _Auron_> well my friend/roommate owns the router, and has been running torrents each night
[05:36:22] < _Auron_> since last night
[05:36:23] < millinao> why the hell would you want a packet of FOUR GIBIBITS?
[05:36:27] < chronomex> bytes millinao
[05:36:29] < _Auron_> he said it's only going 50kb/s, 
[05:36:34] < millinao> err, GIBIBYTES
[05:36:41] < _Auron_> but he's probably got his torrent program setup to use like 500 connections per torrent like a damn idiot
[05:36:42] < chronomex> millinao: why the hell do you need so many addresses?
[05:36:49] < chronomex> the idea is to make it so large as to never run out
[05:36:50] < chronomex> EVER
[05:36:55] < _Auron_> I secretly hate him
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[05:36:59] < millinao> still
[05:36:59] <@efneTI92> [Spengo] so when are we going to ban infolines?
[05:37:12] < millinao> 4 gibibytes? that's huge! why would you EVER want that
[05:37:30] < Spengo> I want it
[05:37:37] < millinao> haha, my argument sounds like the 64k argument
[05:37:46] < Spengo> I would take it now
[05:38:34] < chronomex> Spengo: you'd do 4G packets?
[05:38:59] < millinao> is downloading 1 packet of 4 GiB faster than downloading a bunch of packets of the same data?
[05:39:20] < chronomex> yes, there's less framing overhead
[05:39:41] < millinao> what, of like 1 KB
[05:39:49] < Netham45> 1KB per packet
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[05:39:52] <@efneTI92> [Dauron] We called it Sin.
[05:39:53] < Netham45> that adds up rapidly
[05:40:21] < chronomex> Netham45: no
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[05:40:33] < chronomex> ~100B/frame
[05:40:35] < millinao> the framing of a packet is 1KB? that doesn't seem right
[05:40:44] < millinao> yeah, 100B sounds more right
[05:42:45] < _Auron_> fuck it I'm just going to turn off my computer
[05:42:59] < _Auron_> that or I'll drop the temperature by a whole lot to piss him off
[05:42:59] < millinao> wtf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Kittyhawk
[05:43:00] < _Auron_> :P
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[05:43:12] < millinao> that sounds like a bad scifi movie plot
[05:43:21] < millinao> WE ARE GOING TO DOWNLOAD THE ENTIRE INTERNET
[05:44:38] < prime_> yea' i'm going to do that someday
[05:44:51] < prime_> that way i dont have to keep paying monthly fees
[05:45:34] < prime_> "looks like you canceled your service" "yea, i downloaded the internet already"
[05:47:56] < millinao> if IBM actually DOES succeed in doing this, then it could be a way for planets to share internet service with eachother
[05:48:29] < millinao> every planet would have a cache of information from other planet's internets(heh)
[05:50:10] < prime_> just put a cable between the two planents
[05:50:25] < prime_> duh
[05:50:58] < millinao> well, I mean as an alternative to 300000000 ping
[05:51:38] < Netham45> prime_, a fiber-optic cable mabye. :P
[05:52:00] < prime_> Netham45: no, space ships would break them with their anchor
[05:52:09] < Netham45> xD
[05:52:37] < Netham45> you could set up a network of sattelites on each of the planets, and they could talk with pulsing lights
[05:52:46] < Netham45> but stuff might interfere
[05:53:12] < prime_> mini blackholes, one end of the cable in one on earth, and the other end out of the hole on mars
[05:53:19] < prime_> cable length = 20 feet
[05:53:24] < Netham45> or you could give the webarchive alot more money and mirror it on each planet
[05:53:25] < millinao> hahaha
[05:53:50] < millinao> Netham45: you mean... my idea?
[05:53:56] < prime_> hahaha
[05:54:10] < Netham45> idk
[05:54:14] < Netham45> I just joined
[05:54:18] < millinao> ..
[05:54:26] < Netham45> and thanks to irssi-proxy, you are clueless!
[05:54:35] < Netham45> ^.^
[05:54:46] < millinao> you started talking before I said my idea..
[05:55:00] < prime_> !k Netham45 lying and scripts
[05:55:07] < millinao> lol
[05:55:10] < prime_> :)
[05:55:10] < Netham45> <prime_> just put a cable between the two planents
[05:55:22] < Netham45> first line I see
[05:55:24] < prime_> *planets
[05:55:30] < Netham45> I had to restart my client a couple of times
[05:55:48] < millinao> oh
[05:55:49] < millinao> nvm
[05:56:08] < prime_> your fault for not reading up and joining in on the conversation
[05:56:10] < millinao> " if IBM actually DOES succeed in doing this, then it could be a way for planets to share internet service with eachother
[05:56:11] < millinao> <millinao> every planet would have a cache of information from other planet's internets(heh)" What I said, for reference
[05:56:21] < Netham45> ok
[05:57:51] < millinao> awesome minds think alike :P
[05:58:18] < Netham45> :P
[05:59:11] < Nikky> I wouldn't consider netham "great"
[05:59:40] < millinao> yeah, great was the wrong word
[05:59:40] < chronomex> but guys what  about IRC?
[05:59:50] < millinao> heh
[06:01:17] < Nikky> Look what I found on my server
[06:01:18] < Nikky> http://nykida.net/netham.txt
[06:01:20] < prime_> no irc, subspace radio
[06:01:52] < millinao> LOL
[06:01:55] < prime_> fake
[06:01:57] < chronomex> Nikky, you terrible person!
[06:02:02] < Netham45> Nikky: good job faking a log.
[06:02:11] < Netham45> I never disconnect
[06:02:13] < millinao> yeah that has to be fake
[06:02:14] < Netham45> I'd set +g
[06:02:41] < Nikky> I doubt I could make that up :)
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[06:02:52] < Nikky> We should find all of the shit netham has done over the years
[06:03:21]  * millinao goes to the logs
[06:03:26] < Netham45> yup
[06:03:36] < Netham45> because a private message is going to be in the logs
[06:03:39] < Netham45> that makes sense!
[06:03:45] < millinao> It does!
[06:03:45] < Nikky> In my logs
[06:03:50] < prime_> http://nvm2u.com/netham.html
[06:03:51] < Nikky> I love your phrases
[06:03:54] < prime_> i think you already have
[06:04:01] < prime_> way to go Nikky
[06:04:02] < Nikky> you "dumb ass cock sucking pussy"
[06:04:22] < Nikky> I believe the text without * is on #tcpa
[06:04:28] < Nikky> That looks like mIRC formatting
[06:04:43] < chronomex> Nikky: * nick   is action
[06:04:46] < chronomex> ...
[06:05:03] < Nikky> no, like *netham45*
[06:05:04] < Nikky> :)
[06:06:13] < millinao> I wonder what Nikky is like in real life
[06:06:21] < Nikky> ask Spengo 
[06:06:22] < Nikky> or chronomex 
[06:06:29] < Nikky> or mokomull 
[06:06:43] < millinao> in a few years I am going to a meetup
[06:07:38] < Nikky> sweet
[06:09:31] < millinao> if there was something at the portland convention center or something like that
[06:10:03] < Nikky> last summer we went to portland
[06:10:20] < chronomex> this summer I'll be in NYC
[06:10:22] < chronomex> late July
[06:11:11] < millinao> but the thing is that if I come, then we can't go to a bar
[06:11:24] < chronomex> that's okay, I'm <21 also
[06:11:26] < prime_> way to screw up things
[06:11:38] < millinao> oh
[06:12:00] < prime_> where have meetups been the the past few years?
[06:12:05] < prime_> 'sides portlan
[06:12:08] < Nikky> we don't want prime_ there anyway
[06:12:17] < prime_> its ok im not going anyways
[06:13:13] < millinao> we would have to bring our calcs and have awesome tankwar battles
[06:13:49] < Nikky> yes
[06:13:51] < chronomex> prime_: only been one, in portland OR
[06:14:38] < prime_> what transpired at said event?
[06:14:53] < millinao> probably rape
[06:15:17] < chronomex> not much :\
[06:15:24] < chronomex> well
[06:15:29] < chronomex> we did go in Spengo's pedovan
[06:15:37] < prime_> hahahaha
[06:15:41] < Netham45> xD
[06:15:55] < chronomex> srsly
[06:16:00] < chronomex> it's a pedovan I swear
[06:16:10] < prime_> rusted wheelbase?
[06:16:12] < Nikky> I should have a script that recalls a line Netham45 has said in the past everytime he speaks now
[06:16:18] < prime_> no plates
[06:16:32] < chronomex> prime_: somothing liek that
[06:16:40] < prime_> Nikky good for you
[06:16:42] < Netham45> Nikky, go ahead and do that.
[06:16:47] < prime_> but computers can also do useful things
[06:16:52] < millinao> lies
[06:17:18] < chronomex> prime_: something like that
[06:17:34] < Netham45> they can warn us about the pedovan.
[06:18:03] < Nikky> "<netham45> fuck you."
[06:18:17] < Netham45> http://hesitating.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/pedobear_22.jpg
[06:18:19] < Nikky> "<netham45> no, I am Nikky frustrated."
[06:18:47] < Netham45> Nikky, that's you in 20 years.
[06:19:01] < Nikky> "<Netham45> I am a furfag."
[06:19:18] < Netham45> lol, that's not even a proper quote. :P
[06:19:19] < Nikky> This could be fun
[06:21:31] < Netham45> well, I'm going to bed. Night!
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[08:59:09] < nicolas> morning peeps
[08:59:15] < nicolas> well.. "morning"
[09:29:00] <@E-J> i wokeup about that time myself
[09:35:08] <@E-J> http://naurunappula.com/183358/Skull_Fucking_Bill
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[10:28:19] <@efneTI92> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[11:16:09] <@efneTI92> [Leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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[12:00:00] <@E-J> http://naurunappula.com/270198/rawr
[12:00:57] <+krisk> RAWR
[12:02:03] <@E-J> krisk: there was on local newspaper that gasoline will be soon 2 euros / litre there
[12:02:22] <+krisk> fun
[12:05:17] <@E-J> here it's only 1.5 euros
[12:06:04]  * E-J is waiting andy's moans about their local gasoline prices which still are less than 1 euro / litre
[12:06:33] <+krisk> americans whining about gas is always fun when its 6-7 dollar per gallon here
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[12:47:13] < nicolas> krisk: acutally .. it's more like 8+ over here ;-)
[12:47:21] < nicolas> the euro is stronger than you think
[12:47:58] < nicolas> in fact google says: 1.5 (Euros per liter) = 8.85616014 U.S. dollars per US gallon
[12:48:35] < nicolas> also today I saw Diesel price = gas price 
[12:49:00] < nicolas> 1.485 and 1.485 ... at the station where I always fill
[12:49:32] < nicolas> that sucks :(
[12:49:45] < nicolas> I'm guessing soon diesel will soon be more expensive
[12:49:51] <+krisk> oh yeah stronger euro
[12:50:10] <+krisk> yeah lulzy taxes
[12:50:36] < nicolas> then we'll end up like in the UK ... in fact, I've always wondered why diesel in the uk was mopre expensive than gasoline
[12:50:54] <+krisk> it should be cheaper to promote use
[12:51:44] < nicolas> yeah, especially the newer "tech" or "blue" diesel thingies .. which are supposed to be cleaner, better for the engines and less polluting
[12:52:04] < nicolas> it should be subsidised by the governments to promote use, but they're not, they cost even more
[12:52:10] < nicolas> which is ridiculous
[12:52:18] <+krisk> i thought they used to
[12:52:35] < nicolas> and now, more than 75% of new cars bought are diesel.. so domand for diesel is going to grow, and price go up accordingly
[12:53:01] < nicolas> until they start producing less normal gasoline and make more diesel instead
[12:55:18] <+krisk> oh well i use the bus anyway
[12:55:31] <+krisk> cars are cramped and smell
[12:57:38] <@Andy_J> nicolas: diesel has been more expensive than gas here for almost a year now
[12:57:48] <@Andy_J> at some points almost $.75/gallon more expensive
[13:00:56] < nicolas> Andy_J: well, the states has like .. 1 model of car that is allowed to drive around on diesel... the golf tdi
[13:01:08] < nicolas> so i'm sure that doesn't bother many "common people"
[13:01:11] <@Andy_J> there's more than you would think >>
[13:01:30] <@Andy_J> If it was that rare, ~75% of gas stations wouldn't carry diesel
[13:01:41] < nicolas> krisk: usually it's the buses that are cramped and smell
[13:02:10] <@Andy_J> a good number of pickup trucks use it
[13:02:30] < nicolas> Andy_J: "trucks"
[13:02:34] < nicolas> keyword :P
[13:02:55] <@Andy_J> and seeing how (pulling number out of my ass) 20% of the population drives pickup trucks ...
[13:03:08] < nicolas> heh, that is a hefty chuck of the population
[13:03:12] < nicolas> here no one has them :p
[13:03:24] <@Andy_J> I would bet some SUVs run on diesel too
[13:03:35] < nicolas> people would be knicking stuff out the back of it all the time if you ran around with them in town
[13:04:05] <@Andy_J> I hate it.
[13:04:34] <@Andy_J> damn commercials saying "best fuel economy in its class (22 MPG highway/15 MPG city)" and shit like that
[13:04:37] <@Andy_J> That isn't good at all.
[13:04:42] <@Andy_J> I don't care if it's good for an SUV.
[13:04:44] <@Andy_J> It's still shit.
[13:07:33] <+krisk> busses too but at least you can stand in them
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[14:38:47] < i_c-Y> hai
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[15:09:45] < i_c-Y> well if it isn't Spengwork and Sir_Lewk 
[15:09:56] < i_c-Y> joining in harmony to try to take over the channel
[15:10:05] < Sir_Lewk> indeed good sir
[15:17:33] < Spengwork> curses my evil plan has been foiled
[15:18:04] <@E-J> ncurses my evil plans
[15:24:46] < Sir_Lewk> ncurses makes any plan evil
[15:25:12]  * Sir_Lewk goes back to working on his diabolically evil rogue-like
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[15:50:31] <+krisk> woot house episode is in
[15:52:06] < Sir_Lewk> lies
[15:52:19] < Sir_Lewk> ALL LIES
[15:52:49]  * Sir_Lewk runs away, screaming about artificial hedgehogs
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[16:08:38] < i_c-Y> cause bitches aint shit
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[16:33:21] < _Digital> I concur with Andy_J
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[16:33:47] <@efneTI92> [Sir_Lewk] ...And so he rose from the ashes, no longer man but technological conglomerate
[16:34:16] < Sir_Lewk> bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks
[16:34:54] <+krisk> girls is nice <3 : )
[16:35:05] < Sir_Lewk> naturally :D
[16:35:28] < _Digital> good thing I'm leaving for work so I don't have to deal you this crap again ;)
[16:35:51] <@benryves> ...
[16:35:52] < Sir_Lewk> aww...
[16:35:59] < Sir_Lewk> you hurt my feelings :(
[16:36:12] < _Digital> benryves, they were saying stuff like this last night
[16:36:30] <+krisk> they?
[16:36:32] <@benryves> _Digital: Emo hour or something?
[16:37:14] < _Digital> rationality and courtesy towards opposite sex and all. If that's emo, then yeah
[16:37:37] < Sir_Lewk> how dare we!  don't we know this is the internet :O
[16:37:59]  * _Digital leaves
[16:38:11] <+krisk> am i the only one who finds holding up some kind of internet attitude pathetic?
[16:38:14] <@benryves> _Digital: Oh, right. Can I come with you? :D
[16:38:40] <+krisk> hurhur i disrespect things cause this is the internet hurhur
[16:38:42] < _Digital> I do work at the happiest place on earth, so be my guest
[16:39:57] <@Andy_J> wouldn't that be the second-happiest place on earth?
[16:40:05] <@Andy_J> Is not the first one in Florida?
[16:40:13] < Sir_Lewk> no
[16:40:15] <@Andy_J> (Neverind the fact that the CA one is older.)
[16:40:23] < Sir_Lewk> Florida is filled with depressed old people
[16:40:41] < _Digital> the one in cali is the original
[16:40:46] <@Andy_J> I know that.
[16:40:53] <@benryves> The what in California?
[16:40:55] <@Andy_J> But my point is the FL one is more happiest
[16:40:59] < Sir_Lewk> beyond that, it has a massive swap that everyone there seems to be proud of, and hurricanes
[16:41:27] < Sir_Lewk> hella alot better than pennsylvania though ;-)
[16:41:42] < _Digital> w/e
[16:43:16]  * Sir_Lewk hates on philly
[16:43:23] < Sir_Lewk> still raining :(
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[16:43:53] <@E-J> here is sunny, but +10C
[16:44:50] <@E-J> finnish summer - cold and low-snowy
[16:45:09] <@E-J> finnish winter - warm and low-snowy
[16:46:01] <@benryves> 16C here today. Last week it was crazily hot (>24C), so I'm glad it's cooled down a bit...
[16:46:28] <@E-J> +20 is ok
[16:49:54] < Sir_Lewk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSJxvi767kQ  <== bitches ain't shit
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[16:57:12] < V200> has anyone come up with a good solution for a low-power home server with plenty of slots for drives?
[16:57:28] < V200> and low cost
[16:57:35] < i_c-Y> like the hp home servers?
[16:57:42] < i_c-Y> how many drives are you looking at
[16:57:44] < V200> well, I'd build it myself and likely run fedora
[16:57:46] <+krisk> a motherboard with psu and some harddrives plugged into it?
[16:57:52] < Sir_Lewk> w00t fedora
[16:58:10] < Sir_Lewk> are you talking a RAID setup or something?
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[16:58:16] < V200> for now all it would do is make backups of my server every night
[16:58:58] < V200> possibly RAID
[16:59:19] < i_c-Y> why dont you buy some sempron or something, and put in a software raid on linux or something
[16:59:22] < V200> in the future I would also put DVD ISOs on it... if I can ever get them to work
[16:59:26] < i_c-Y> or maybe one of those via c7's
[17:00:27] < V200> I do believe that I still have my celeron D
[17:00:30] < V200> that should work just fine
[17:00:43] < Sir_Lewk> my server just has one 30GB drive in it
[17:00:46] <+krisk> oh i have an idea for you
[17:01:42] < i_c-Y> then use that.
[17:01:43] < V200> yes...
[17:02:43] < Sir_Lewk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjNNxnKVEpQ&feature=related  lmao at the grue sweatshirt
[17:22:37] <@E-J> http://www.ibelieveinadv.com/commons/amnestyinternetionalagainst.jpg
[17:25:09] < Sir_Lewk> lol
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[17:31:08] <@efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin.
[17:31:32] <+krisk> cool
[17:32:28] <+krisk> awww they stopped repeating spin city
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[17:38:00] <@efneTI92> [Merthsoft] Heat, time, and pressure; the things needed to make diamonds also make waffles.
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[17:38:18] < Sir_Lewk> http://www.voidstate.com/blog/images/cook-anything.jpg?hl=en
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[17:41:46] <+krisk> nomnomnom
[17:43:52] < _Auron_> so
[17:44:02] < _Auron_> I had a series of dreams, that was incredibly messed up
[17:44:11] < _Auron_> I just finished telling my best friend about it all
[17:44:41] < _Auron_> and he said "moral of the story.. school, like junk food, is bad for you. go to quiktrip."
[17:44:49] <+krisk> quicktrip?
[17:45:11] < _Auron_> quiktrip, the gas station?
[17:45:16] <+krisk> ok
[17:45:27] < _Auron_> theres one near here and my friends and I go to it a lot but I've recently decided to stop getting anything from there
[17:46:11]  * Netham45 yawns
[17:47:33] < chronomex> okay, the meetup this suummer will be on the train
[17:47:35] < chronomex> I've just planned it
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[17:48:19] < _Auron_> meetup?
[17:48:24] < chronomex> on the Amtrak Empire Builder, date not quite yet nailed down
[17:48:25] < chronomex> yes
[17:48:35] < chronomex> I'm going to be out and about, and you guys are invited
[17:48:51] < chronomex> that's basically how it works
[17:50:53] < Sir_Lewk> where arounds?
[17:50:59] < Sir_Lewk> west coast?
[17:51:21] <@Andy_J> what's the route looking like?
[17:51:28] < chronomex> seattle to chicago, I'll be on it the whole time
[17:51:36] <@Andy_J> just to chicago? :(
[17:51:36] < chronomex> I'm bringing about 10 outlets and net access
[17:51:43] < chronomex> well I'm going all the way to NYC
[17:51:47] < Sir_Lewk> ah, cool
[17:51:53] < chronomex> but that's another train whose name I don't remember
[17:51:57]  * Sir_Lewk loves trains
[17:52:00] < chronomex> me too !
[17:52:04] <@Andy_J> I'm most interested in what part of Ohio you'll be passing through.
[17:52:24] < chronomex> the route after chicago isn't nailed down
[17:52:57] <@Andy_J> I guess if you're going to NYC you have to be passing through Ohio relatively far north.
[17:53:18] < Sir_Lewk> I've done Chicago to Harrisburg and Harrisburg to Philadelphia
[17:53:46] < Sir_Lewk> Philadelphia to NYC is real easy, Philly is probably a bit south though
[17:54:23] < chronomex> Andy_J: what sort of placenames should I look for?
[17:54:34] <@Andy_J> Cleveland is probably what it'd be.
[17:54:44] < chronomex> okay
[17:54:46] <@Andy_J> I don't think amtrak goes through Akron
[17:54:56] < chronomex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Shore_Limited yeah, cleveland
[17:57:02] <@Andy_J> ew, $81 each way CLE/NYC it looks lik
[17:57:11] < chronomex> lameish
[17:57:11] <@Andy_J> or do I jsut fail at guessing dates
[17:57:28] < chronomex> okay, date is solid
[17:57:31] <@Andy_J> oh $64 during the week
[17:57:37] <@Andy_J> that's a hefty weekend premium
[17:57:48] < chronomex> I'll be leaving seattle 13-jul, so leaving chicago 15-jul
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[17:58:02] <@Andy_J> passing through CLE when?
[17:58:06] < chronomex> or maybe one day later, I don't know quite yet
[17:58:16] < chronomex> probably 16-jul
[17:58:32] <@Andy_J> when are you leaving back the other way?
[17:58:44] < chronomex> I don't think I'll take the train, but it depends on price
[17:58:53] <@Andy_J> ah
[17:59:37] <@Andy_J> I'm going to have to with "much cheaper" for train returning NYC to CLE
[17:59:44] <@Andy_J> plus the whole car being at the train station thing
[17:59:47] < chronomex> right
[18:00:15] <@Andy_J> I'll see if I can scrounge up $300 ... dunno =\
[18:00:28] < chronomex> :|
[18:01:07] <@Andy_J> Might also depend on if anyone else would be joining the party
[18:02:09] < chronomex> I see
[18:05:16] < ryantmer> "Programming languages are like sewage plants: if the average user becomes aware of them, something's gone wrong."
[18:05:18] < ryantmer> lol
[18:05:30] < chronomex> yeah :)
[18:06:52] < Sir_Lewk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HfvmU_utI8 That is awesome
[18:07:06] < Sir_Lewk> almost enough to make me go get a license
[18:09:20] <@Andy_J> whoo rock band <3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j1Th1eDlqQ
[18:09:24] <@Andy_J> I sux at singing though
[18:10:56] < chronomex> I don't have the attention span to go through all the iterations of partial train/plane return trips :(
[18:11:26] <@Andy_J> then do the obvious NYC->CLE train then plane <_<
[18:11:32] < chronomex> haha okay
[18:11:50] < chronomex> but i'm going to Ellsworth ME on the following monday first
[18:11:58] <+krisk> are java awt events not thread safe or something?
[18:12:50] <+krisk> no wait
[18:14:39] < chronomex> Andy_J: that costs more than the train the whole way, and more than the plane the whole way
[18:14:55] <@Andy_J> O_o
[18:14:56] <@Andy_J> boo
[18:15:48] <+krisk> "MouseListener is an interface, you MUST implement all its methods or else, you cannot compile your program. Its like a girl, unless u meet all her demands, no matter how trivial they are, she wudnt wanna be with u." lolwut
[18:16:44] < chronomex> it's like only $70 more and 4 days more to take the train back
[18:17:07] <@Andy_J> For the lulz try leaving out of CAK instead of CLE
[18:17:19] <@Andy_J> you might have better luck using akroncantonairport.com for finding rates from there
[18:17:23] < chronomex> esp. cos I'd get to the airport at some asstarded time in the early morning
[18:17:40] <@Andy_J> but it's probably not worth it
[18:19:57] < chronomex> lol http://www.akroncantonairport.com/relax.htm
[18:22:20] <@Andy_J> it is kind of cheesey but it's a nice airport
[18:22:22] <@Andy_J> DSP_Lord knows >_>
[18:22:50] < chronomex> Andy_J: that's like $400
[18:23:00] <@Andy_J> heh figures I guess
[18:23:03] < chronomex> $313 all amtrak, $270 all air
[18:23:08] <@Andy_J> since that is kind of not in the region <_<
[18:23:11] < chronomex> u'u
[18:23:13] < chronomex> lol
[18:25:47] < chronomex> actually it's $360
[18:29:52] <+krisk> oh lawdy, pacman music in a darkpsy mix
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[18:46:41] <@efneTI92> [KermM] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
[18:46:51] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v KermM] by efneTI85
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[18:48:44] <+KermM> does anyone have the list of opcodes the nSpire doesn't support for 84 emulation offhand?
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[18:50:15] < i_c-Y> lolnspire
[18:50:18] < i_c-Y> its beyond hope
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[18:50:32] < i_c-Y> checked wikiti or kofler's nspire wiki?
[18:51:53] < Spengwork> http://entertainment.slashdot.org/entertainment/08/05/20/0228229.shtml loooooooooooool
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[18:54:10] <@E-J> http://www.divinecaroline.com/article/22177/48529-five-foods-cause-anal-leakage
[19:17:30] <@E-J> krisk: are you watching eurovision?
[19:17:56] <+krisk> `lol?
[19:18:13] <+krisk> of course not
[19:18:20] <+krisk> wait is there a hot metal chick entry?
[19:18:46] <@E-J> no metal chicks, only metal there is finnish entry, which is about manowar in finnish
[19:18:59] < Spengwork> lol E-J http://www.rathergood.com/seepage/
[19:19:52] <@E-J> maybe _Auron_ would like this event because it is said to be most gay
[19:22:07] <@Andy_J> rawk band drumz http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ajanata-plays-music-games
[19:24:27] <@E-J> now there is belgium
[19:24:32] <@E-J> little weird
[19:24:57] <+krisk> youre actually watching?
[19:25:11] <@E-J> of course
[19:25:18] <+krisk> ok
[19:25:56] <@E-J> on several irc channels people comment those
[19:26:29] <@E-J> "spectator sport"
[19:27:01] <+krisk> ohlol
[19:33:19] <@E-J> next there are some chicks
[19:33:39] <+krisk> yay
[19:34:01] <@E-J> but it's techno
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[19:39:39] < scabby> afternoon
[19:39:52] <+KermM> good afternoon to you as well
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[19:42:29] < key323> Hello i search a program for my ti84 plus to convert a decimal number into a dual number. is something like this availible?
[19:42:55] <+krisk> if by dual number you mean two seperate numbers then there are basic functions for that
[19:43:30] < key323> i mean this 010101110 numbers^^
[19:43:36] <+KermM> oh
[19:43:37] <+KermM> binary
[19:43:43] < key323> ah ok
[19:45:56] <@E-J> now, irish turkey
[19:46:25] < _Auron_> I'm so bored
[19:47:12] < key323> is such a tool availible?
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[19:47:58] < chronomex> I think it's built in but I don't have an 83-series calc
[19:48:05] <+KermM> not on the 83/84's
[19:48:08] <+KermM> only on the 86 and above
[19:48:17] < chronomex> okay
[19:48:30] <+KermM> at the danger of self-promotion, I have a program like that
[19:48:30] <+KermM> http://www.cemetech.net/programs/archives.php?mode=file&path=/83plus/basic/math/baseconv.zip
[19:48:48] < _Auron_> uh
[19:48:56] < _Auron_> theres a flash app that adds keyhooks to the 83/84 calcs
[19:49:04] <+KermM> correct
[19:49:14] < _Auron_> that allows you to convert from anything from binary to hex
[19:49:18] < _Auron_> actually past hex I think
[19:49:40] < key323> oh thanks
[19:49:46] < key323> this helps a lot
[19:49:53] <+KermM> excellent
[19:50:55] <+KermM> On a related note, is ticalc.org planning on clearing the queue any time soon
[19:51:00] <@E-J> krisk: chicks again
[19:51:00] <+KermM> ?
[19:51:22] < chronomex> KermM: talk to MV, he does files
[19:51:25] <+krisk> bleh no itneresting chicks
[19:51:56] < i_c-Y> haha.
[19:52:07] < i_c-Y> all krisk needs for a night on the town is a suicide girls gallery
[19:52:15] < chronomex> lol i_c-Y
[19:52:22] <+krisk> suicide girls sucks
[19:52:56] <+krisk> although most do beat these blonde 30 year old plastic dolls on tv
[19:54:01]  * scabby has no problems with girls that suck
[19:54:14] < i_c-Y> haha.
[19:54:20] <+krisk> im referring to suicide girls as a website sucking
[19:54:23] < i_c-Y> this show needs moar kirsten bell.
[19:55:27] < Spengwork> krisk is an expert in these matters
[19:56:23] < i_c-Y> what, hot goth chicks?
[19:56:34] < i_c-Y> or rather hot goth alternate metal stuff chicks
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[19:58:29] <@E-J> chick again on eurovision
[20:00:50] <@E-J> next netherlands
[20:01:13] <+krisk> ugh
[20:01:20] <+krisk> you mean marocca second entry
[20:01:33] <@E-J> :)
[20:01:55] <@E-J> [23:03:48]  <rach_EL> oh the moroccans took over holland
[20:04:22] <@E-J> now finland
[20:04:54] < i_c-Y> what is this , a game of risk?
[20:05:06] <@E-J> i_c-Y: eurovision song contest
[20:05:41] <+krisk> oh lawd, glam rock?
[20:05:54] <@E-J> nope, some sort of heavy metal
[20:06:06] <@E-J> glam needs more makeup
[20:06:18] <+krisk> fair enough
[20:06:20] < i_c-Y> oh.
[20:06:30] < i_c-Y> word.
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[20:06:37] < i_c-Y> i like this giant game of risk thing together.
[20:08:24] <+krisk> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/113671/e9fc3477/motogp_even_afstappen.html
[20:08:25] <+krisk> NICE!
[20:09:55] < i_c-Y> nice.
[20:11:58] < i_c-Y> wow. heroes uses a lot of product placement.
[20:12:02] < i_c-Y> every car is a nissan
[20:12:11] <+krisk> ? new season?
[20:12:13] < i_c-Y> theres a sprint logo prominently featured with kristen bell
[20:12:18] < i_c-Y> no im watching season 2
[20:12:22] <+krisk> ah
[20:12:37] < i_c-Y> plus all males pay more attention to kristen obviously because shes kristen bell.
[20:13:16] <+krisk> oh is that the cheerleader?
[20:13:44] < i_c-Y> no
[20:13:47] < i_c-Y> thats hayden
[20:13:59] < i_c-Y> kristen is elle , the girl who shoots lightning from her hands.
[20:14:03] < i_c-Y> shes like 28 irl. 
[20:14:06] <+krisk> oh that one
[20:14:20] < i_c-Y> hayden is like 20.
[20:14:33] <+krisk> and tiny
[20:14:46] < i_c-Y> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kristen_Bell_2.jpg 
[20:14:49] < i_c-Y> yeah
[20:15:04] <+krisk> she was more interesting than the cheerleader
[20:15:17] < i_c-Y> they're both pretty short aparantly
[20:15:34] <+krisk> yeah
[20:15:37] < i_c-Y> both are 5'1"
[20:16:04] <+krisk> in the first few eps i liked nicky best
[20:16:18] < i_c-Y> yeah, nikky is cool.
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[20:16:45] < royger> hi
[20:16:50] <+krisk> at least she had some flaws beyond lolsociallyawkward
[20:17:00] < i_c-Y> shes pretty tall though relatively. 5'8". i didnt realize she was the same girl from final destination until i looked at imdb
[20:17:03] < royger> is there anyway to calculate a polynomial modulus with a ti-89?
[20:17:30] <+krisk> tall ftw
[20:17:38] < i_c-Y> royger: modulus in what sense?
[20:17:40] <+krisk> was she burnette in fd?
[20:17:54] < i_c-Y> no, blonde
[20:18:14] < i_c-Y> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2076088576/ch0004678
[20:18:15] < royger> like: x^5+x^4+x^3 mod x^5+x^2+1
[20:18:24] < royger> the rest of the division
[20:18:26] <+krisk> oh yeah
[20:19:23] <+krisk> oh yeah she was in re;e too
[20:19:45] < royger> i_c-Y: the normal mod operation doesn't accept polynomials
[20:20:08] < i_c-Y> why dont you just do expand on the division
[20:20:35] <@E-J> http://outbox.pp.fi/eurovision08.txt
[20:21:14] <@E-J> krisk: now there is chick from greece
[20:21:20] < royger> i_c-Y: but then i won't get the rest of the division
[20:22:36] < i_c-Y> royger: figure it out from there - you'll get a polynomial part and a rational part.
[20:23:04] < chronomex> E-J: what?
[20:23:07] <+krisk> i dont see chick i see silly things about phone lines and a tennis player
[20:23:16] < i_c-Y> hm?
[20:23:18] <@E-J> krisk: you were too slow
[20:23:42] <+krisk> i turned back to the channel right when you said it, how short was the song lulz
[20:25:41] < i_c-Y> royger: presumably if you expand(a/b), you get c+ d/b. 
[20:25:48] < i_c-Y> with maybe some factor cancelation.
[20:28:14] < royger> i_c-Y: yeah, i've got some kind of method, if i was able to do some programing i might get it, altough i've never user ti-basic before
[20:28:27] < royger> i_c-Y: thanks
[20:28:40] < chronomex> royger: what language(s) are you familiar with?
[20:28:55] < royger> i_c-Y: C, java and php
[20:29:05] < chronomex> .. wrong nick :)
[20:29:09] < chronomex> okay
[20:29:23] < royger> chronomex: why?
[20:29:24] < chronomex> I'm a longtime 89 owner, but I'm not too hot in math
[20:29:29] < chronomex> I was curious mostly
[20:30:00] < royger> chronomex: me neither, i need it for LFSR studying
[20:30:17] < chronomex> aye
[20:30:22] < chronomex> LFSR?
[20:30:28] < chronomex> linear feedback shift register?
[20:30:46] < royger> chronomex: yup, i need to do the mod of polynomials to get the next state
[20:30:50] < chronomex> ah
[20:31:25] < chronomex> sounds neat
[20:31:39] < i_c-Y> theres a table of the maximal length polynomials in schneier
[20:32:41] < royger> shneier?
[20:32:59] < royger> s/shneier/schneier
[20:33:30] < chronomex> also on wikipedia, if I understand correctly
[20:35:14] < royger> also is there anyway to know if a polynomial is prime using ti-89?
[20:39:36] < Milayrdo> Do you mean is there a built in function?
[20:40:00]  * chronomex shrugs
[20:40:03] < Milayrdo> because the algorith for determining if a number is prime is very simple
[20:40:05] < chronomex> probably
[20:40:16] < Milayrdo> and can be easily found with a google search
[20:40:17] < Milayrdo> :)
[20:40:26] < chronomex> there's a builtin isPrime, but I think that only does integers
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[20:40:50] < Milayrdo> As you can only determine if integers are prime
[20:41:15] < Milayrdo> irrational numbers cannot be prime
[20:41:51] < Milayrdo> because there can be an infitnite number of irrational factors
[20:42:13] < Milayrdo> thus only integers can be prime or not prime
[20:42:18] < Milayrdo> by definition
[20:44:51] < chronomex> Milayrdo: ... he wants to know if a polynomial is prime
[20:45:02] < Milayrdo> oh
[20:45:11] < Milayrdo> Well then
[20:45:32] < Milayrdo> You can find the mod of the polynomial right?
[20:46:31] < Milayrdo> For there you can tell if its prime
[20:46:34] < Milayrdo> *from
[20:47:35] < royger> Milayrdo: yes, with expand(a/b) you get rest/divident + quotient
[20:48:08] < royger> Milayrdo: not really, knowing is a polinomial is prime is quite more dificult
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[20:48:40] < royger> Milayrdo: i can write the algorithm if you want...
[20:48:50] < Milyardo> Just noticed my nick was spelled wrong lol
[20:50:05] < Milyardo> But the conclusion you draw from that algorithm isn't based on any sort of boolean logic
[20:50:28] < royger> Milyardo: no, just a series of mod operations
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[20:50:41] < royger> m = grade of the polynomial
[20:50:49] < royger> L = 2^m - 1
[20:51:10] < royger> X^L+1 mod polynomial = 0
[20:51:30] < royger> and then define t = m, m+1, ... L-1
[20:51:59] < royger> and check that x^t + 1 mod polynomial != 0 for every t
[20:52:16] < Milyardo> hrmmmm, I think I learned a different algo for determining if a polynomial is prime
[20:52:26] < Milyardo> but that makes sense
[20:53:36] < Milyardo> While there is no built in function for this at least the algo would be easy to implement
[20:53:44] < Milyardo> in a Ti-BASIC prog
[20:54:17] < chronomex> royger: also check out the part() function, which lets you pick apart expressions in tibasic
[20:54:21] < chronomex> it's pretty awesome
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[20:57:33] < Milyardo> tibasic should actualy be tiperl
[20:57:46] < Milyardo> perl >>>>>> all other languages
[20:58:16] < Milyardo> Mr. T < perl < chuck norris
[20:58:25] <@benryves> Milyardo: Ha. Ha. Ha. :P
[21:00:41] < chronomex> Milyardo: then there'd be no room for anything else!
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[21:03:03] < chronomex> krisk: you've rocketed to the top of the most-words-uttered list this month, what's your secret?
[21:03:10] < royger> thanks ppl, i'm off to prepare supper, c u later!
[21:03:25] <+krisk> the what?
[21:03:51] < chronomex> http://users.tkk.fi/~relamsa/IRCStats/tcpa-kk.html
[21:06:24] <+krisk> well instead of idling in here and sporadically insulting people due to some kind of insecurity complex like certain people in here do i look at all activity and respond honestly with more than just "lolsux" or similar
[21:06:27] < Nikky> thanks i_c-Y 
[21:06:45] < Nikky> krisk: troll
[21:06:52] < chronomex> krisk: that makes sense, maybe I should try that sometime ...
[21:07:06] <+krisk> thanks for illustrating my point nikky
[21:07:22] < Nikky> No problem snuggle bear
[21:08:52] <+krisk> how does it know gender?
[21:08:57] < chronomex> someone told it
[21:09:04] <+krisk> hehe ok
[21:09:55] <+krisk> oh lawdy someone use -_- quickly
[21:10:22] < chronomex> you just did
[21:10:36] < Nikky> ?
[21:10:41] <+krisk> yeah but that wont change the 'last used by'
[21:10:41] <@benryves> Hooray, I'm stupid! :D
[21:10:57] < chronomex> krisk: true
[21:11:26] < Nikky> benryves: You sure are!
[21:11:35] < chronomex> benryves: you're ahead of cricket o_O
[21:11:43] < i_c-Y> Is benryves stupid or just asking too many questions? 25.0% lines contained a question!
[21:12:14] < i_c-Y> what the fux
[21:12:25] < i_c-Y> cemetech is at the top of the most referenced url's
[21:12:34] < i_c-Y> http://grahamkendall.net/ cannot lose!
[21:12:36] < Nikky> it's KermM's infoline
[21:13:14] <@E-J> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv8IHOTGlzc
[21:13:37] < i_c-Y> lets ban infolines already :(
[21:14:08]  * benryves votes aye.
[21:14:24] <+krisk> i just ignored whatever bot shows them
[21:14:42] < i_c-Y>  
[21:14:43] < i_c-Y> <chronomex> krisk: you've rocketed to the top of the most-words-uttered list this month, what's your secret? < if you take out words from the following single quoted string 'hot goth chicks suicide girl girls chick metal alt alternative' or any variations on them, that would drop down to near 0
[21:15:13] < Nikky> haha
[21:15:15] < chronomex> ic	I don't quite think so
[21:15:16] < chronomex> but maybe
[21:15:17] <+krisk> true
[21:15:23] < Nikky> !qadd < i_c-Y> <chronomex> krisk: you've rocketed to the top of the most-words-uttered list this month, what's your secret? < if you take out  words from the following single quoted string 'hot goth chicks suicide girl girls chick metal alt alternative' or any variations  on them, that would drop down to near 0
[21:15:24] <@efneTI86> Quote 1273 added
[21:15:52] < Spengwork> why does it need the <i_c-Y> in front?
[21:16:00] <+krisk> although i never say the word suicide
[21:16:05] < Nikky> because i_c-Y said it
[21:16:09] < i_c-Y> because i said the quote, Spengwork ?
[21:16:36] < Sir_Lewk> blackbox is sweet as hell
[21:16:40] <+DSP_Lord> sweert
[21:16:49] <+DSP_Lord> i'm a pottymouth
[21:16:55] <+krisk> hell is pretty sweet since there are plenty of hot goth/metal chicks
[21:17:03] < Spengwork> Sir_Lewk, are you going to use your black box to see when superman comes back to earth?
[21:17:12] < Sir_Lewk> lol
[21:17:25] < i_c-Y> krisk: only because they're on fire
[21:17:30] < chronomex> krisk: how do you know?
[21:17:36] < Sir_Lewk> I have been using windowmaker as my regular wm whenever I didn't feel like loading up KDE 4
[21:17:41] <+krisk> i read the brochures
[21:17:47] < Sir_Lewk> but blackbox kicks windowmakers ass
[21:18:00] < chronomex> Sir_Lewk: I use windowmaker as my regular window manager for the past 5 years ...
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[21:18:26] < chronomex> krisk: where are these brochures?
[21:19:03] < chronomex> or are they more flyers?
[21:19:04] < Sir_Lewk> I do love windowmaker
[21:19:09] <+krisk> http://www.spookygirls.com/
[21:20:16] < Netham45> !k krisk porn
[21:20:27] < Sir_Lewk> interesting krisk...
[21:21:09]  * Nikky views in links
[21:21:19] < Nikky> !k krisk netham45: requested
[21:21:20] -!- krisk was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [Nikky: netham45: requested]
[21:21:22] < chronomex> I was taking a "can you read foreign languages?" quiz online the other day, and one of the answers was "badger badger badger mushroom mushrOOM" in russian
[21:21:23] < i_c-Y> !k krisk pron
[21:21:25] -!- krisk [~user@d67146.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #tcpa
[21:21:30] < Netham45> ty, Nikky.
[21:21:31] < krisk> blub
[21:21:37] < chronomex> wait, netham has kick-by-proxy ?
[21:21:40] < Nikky> Yes
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[21:21:42] < chronomex> okay
[21:21:43] < Netham45> haha
[21:22:19] < Sir_Lewk> you have scarred me for life krisk, now I must go gouge out my eyeballs that I have seen ze pr0nz
[21:22:31] < Sir_Lewk> :P
[21:22:40] < Nikky> You could always kick him again
[21:22:46] <+krisk> kinky
[21:23:13] < Sir_Lewk> truthfully I have an eyeball gouging fetish
[21:23:38] <+krisk> hmm what movie was it in that they slice someone's eye
[21:23:45] <+krisk> with a razorblade i think
[21:24:10] < Sir_Lewk> Saw or something?
[21:24:13] < Sir_Lewk> dunno
[21:24:37] <@benryves> krisk: Un Chien Andalou
[21:25:40] <@benryves> I believe it's in the public domain now, so should be available on archive.org
[21:27:44] < Sir_Lewk> http://www.archive.org/details/Lu_sBu_uelySalvadorDal_UnChienAudalou
[21:27:50] < Sir_Lewk> that it?
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[21:28:34] <@benryves> Indeed. The legendary eyeball-slicing scene is the very first.
[21:28:46] < V200> I am so cool.
[21:29:04] < V200> I left work early to wait for my modem (from UPS)
[21:29:12] < V200> sat on the couch for 10 minutes, and it arrived
[21:29:20] < V200> my luck is NEVER that good
[21:29:30] <+krisk> yeah thats it
[21:29:41] <+krisk> pretentioussssss
[21:30:14] <@benryves> Not a fan of art film, krisk?
[21:30:24] < V200> the kid who took my order from qwest got my name wrong
[21:30:28] <+krisk> nah just spouting a meme
[21:30:36] < V200> so the UPS guy was kind of confused when I told him that I was Lane
[21:30:54] < i_c-Y> i thought you were Lance bass barrett anderson
[21:31:11] < V200> exactly
[21:31:14] < Sir_Lewk> lol
[21:31:19] < Sir_Lewk> how did they do that?
[21:31:21] < V200> lane is a girl name, right?
[21:31:37] < V200> the kid who took my order was no older than 18
[21:31:48] < V200> I would say 16, but I don't think that's even legal
[21:32:06] <@benryves> Sir_Lewk: "Method acting" really meant something those days. :)
[21:32:07] < i_c-Y> yea
[21:32:24] < i_c-Y> lane is a girl's name
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[21:32:40] < Sir_Lewk> lol
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[21:32:46] < i_c-Y> actually
[21:32:50] < i_c-Y> its both, V200 
[21:32:50] < Sir_Lewk> ah, wikipedia says they sliced a cow
[21:32:54] < V200> really?
[21:33:01] < i_c-Y> just a lot more common on girls.
[21:33:22] < V200> I just associate it with louis lane, but that's not her first name
[21:33:28] < V200> that's the only reference I have
[21:33:32] < i_c-Y> you mean lois?
[21:33:37] < V200> same thing
[21:33:46] < i_c-Y> from superman?
[21:33:49] < V200> yes
[21:34:24] < Spengwork> I always thought the old lois smoked too much and was butt ugly
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[21:34:31] < Spengwork> had one of those terrible smoker voices
[21:34:35] < V200> unfortunately my dsl isn't active until 5 pm... so i came back to work so that i can pay for it
[21:34:38] <+krisk> the old?
[21:35:10] < Spengwork> AND she was a total bitch. Dunno what superman saw in her...
[21:35:18] < Spengwork> like from the old movies
[21:35:19] < Spengwork> not the new one
[21:35:21] < V200> yeah, she seemed kind of annoying
[21:35:27] < V200> what does the new one look like?
[21:35:29] < i_c-Y> the chick who plays lois lane on smallville isnt bad i think
[21:35:30] < V200> i haven't seen the new superman
[21:35:35] < i_c-Y> shes canadian though
[21:35:39] <+krisk> thought it was a series
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[21:37:35] < V200> what's the new superman movie called? (the one that came out a couple of years ago or so)
[21:37:52] <@benryves> Superman Returns
[21:40:06] <+krisk> its a shame they always make leading characters boring supertanned plastic barbiedolls
[21:41:25] < non-sense> how can I fix this? i've incorrectly connected a USB which caused the pc to say the usb device is malfunctioned, (the same device worked yesterday) even after restarts still says malfunction, but the same USB device works perfectly in another computer. which i havn't yet connected it incorrectly
[21:41:48] <+krisk> try another usb port?
[21:42:28] <+krisk> and id try unisntalling the device in hardware management
[21:44:41] < non-sense> tried
[21:44:45] < non-sense> tried all 8
[21:44:51] < non-sense> unistalled any new software
[21:45:14] < Netham45> reinstall windows
[21:45:24] <+krisk> uninstall the device not new software
[21:45:48] <@benryves> Uninstall the driver (and delete the driver from your machine when prompted) from Device Manager as krisk suggested; when you plug in the device afterwards it should prompt you to install the drivers (and ask for a disk).
[21:46:33] < non-sense> driverless device
[21:46:39] < non-sense> its a fresh copy of windows
[21:46:46] < non-sense> btw, the device, worked yesterday
[21:46:53] < non-sense> but since i stuck it in wrong, it wont work now
[21:47:03] <@benryves> How did you "stick it in wrong"?
[21:47:30] < V200> the device is installed.  Uninstall it.  do what benryves and krisk said
[21:49:34] <@benryves> non-sense: I assume when it's plugged in it shows up in Device Manager?
[21:49:41] <@benryves> (Albeit with a warning icon on top of it?)
[21:50:28] < non-sense> by not following the instrutions
[21:50:41] < non-sense> i put the 12vdc, into the device, whichi i wasnt suppose to
[21:50:57] < non-sense> its a USB 2 3.5/2.5/ide
[21:51:20] <@benryves> Was it plugged into the USB port at the time?
[21:53:40] < Milyardo> Delete your hardware profile and recreate it, this however may mess with WPA
[21:54:24] <+krisk> have you actually tried uninstalling the device yet?
[21:54:41] < Sir_Lewk> lol, I just downloaded Night of the Living Dead in under 2 minutes
[21:54:52] < Sir_Lewk> 918 MB
[21:54:54] <@benryves> Also; have you tried other USB devices in the same port?
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[22:01:31] <+krisk> yoyoyo
[22:01:33] <+krisk> yeah buddy
[22:03:14] <@Andy_J> If you put more power into it than it's supposed to deal with then you probalby cooked it.
[22:04:12] <@benryves> As it works in another machine I'm more inclined to believe it fried your USB controller, but either way it's difficult to tell without more information.
[22:04:26] <@Andy_J> ah I didn't catch that
[22:05:29] <@benryves> Though if the device was partially cooked it might become more sensitive to slight voltage deviations. Or it could just be a driver issue. *shrugs*
[22:05:54] < non-sense> yeah
[22:05:59] < non-sense> i think yer right
[22:06:07] < non-sense> i've tried MANy things
[22:07:17] < non-sense> its boiling down, to burnt controllers
[22:07:32] <+krisk> try another device?
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[22:15:04] < non-sense> yep
[22:15:11] < non-sense> other deives work fine
[22:15:21] < non-sense> but the same device, works fine.. in another computer
[22:15:49] < Damakaru> If I am using Fluxbox and I want panels, I can use the ones from XFCE or GNOM?
[22:16:00] < Damakaru> +E
[22:16:11] <+krisk> GNOMNOMNOM
[22:16:24] < Sir_Lewk> Vista
[22:16:49] <@Andy_J> sounds like the driver then
[22:16:52] -!- |Tyler2| [~nexon@d75-158-48-211.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #tcpa
[22:16:52] <@efneTI92> [|Tyler2|] I no longer speak fluent dialup.
[22:17:03] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v |Tyler2|] by efneTI92
[22:19:28] < Damakaru> I don't get why we must wear Sunday clothes to our Senior banquet if all we're going to do is eat and get it all messy..
[22:19:55] < Nikky> because they're lame
[22:20:00] < Nikky> wear your saturday clothes instead
[22:20:35] < i_c-Y> you had a senior banquet
[22:20:37] < i_c-Y> ?
[22:20:45] < Sir_Lewk> say that your an atheist so your sunday clothes are the same
[22:20:52] < Nikky> works too
[22:21:03] < Nikky> or that your religion says you wear really smelly old clothes
[22:21:18] < Sir_Lewk> or a toga!
[22:22:30] < Sir_Lewk> "Yes.  Well you see I practice ancient greek."
[22:22:53] <@Andy_J> sunday is nude day
[22:22:53] <+|Tyler2|> I love arguing against religious people about religous things, because many of them are conservative and think everyone should follow the lord, silly christians
[22:24:37] <@benryves> Why's that, |Tyler2|?
[22:24:59] < Damakaru> i_c-Y:   Am about to have.
[22:25:25] < Sir_Lewk> lol
[22:25:29] <+|Tyler2|> Because it's fun and proves a point that just because they believe in god doesn't mean they think they run the planet
[22:25:33] -!- |Tyler2| is now known as Tyler2
[22:25:41] < Sir_Lewk> dumb bimbo from Night of the Living Dead is dumb
[22:26:09] <@benryves> Tyler2: I fail to see what the latter half of your statement has to do with the first half.
[22:26:47] < Sir_Lewk> haha, he knocked her out
[22:27:05] < Sir_Lewk> this movie is now a lot less obnoxious
[22:27:22] <+Tyler2> I don't know, I just like arguing
[22:27:30] <+Tyler2> It's just easier to argue over religion and politics
[22:27:31] <@benryves> Sir_Lewk: Which version are you watching? I've only got the really badly coloured in version :\
[22:27:48] < Sir_Lewk> public domain version from archive.org
[22:27:51] < Sir_Lewk> black and white
[22:29:31] <@benryves> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_colorization#Entertainment_make-overs <- heh, there we go. I've got the '86 version. :| Yay green zombies!
[22:30:55] < Sir_Lewk> lol
[22:31:31] < Sir_Lewk> the 2004 version looks well done though
[22:42:29]  * Damakaru is not somewhat happier with his VIA again.
[22:42:32] < Damakaru> * now
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[22:44:12] <@efneTI92> [KermM] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
[22:44:25] < Nikky> Kerm!
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[22:44:26] < Nikky> Hi!
[22:44:36] < Nikky> We were like, just talking about you.
[22:44:48] <+KermM> oh word?
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[22:44:53] <@efneTI92> [Leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
[22:44:56] <+KermM> in what context?
[22:45:06] < Nikky> Yeah, we were discussing zombies.
[22:45:20] <+KermM> can has brains?
[22:45:29] < Nikky> no
[22:45:33] <+krisk> dress like a rastafari instead
[22:45:33] <+KermM> bah
[22:45:59] < Damakaru> I still has a Cemetech account?
[22:46:11] <+KermM> probably
[22:46:17] <+ports> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD97wbqeEhg
[22:46:19] < Nikky> lol cemetard
[22:46:23] <+KermM> did you get an email recently?
[22:46:37] < Nikky> #omnimagay
[22:47:18] < Damakaru> Nikky:++
[22:47:24] < Damakaru> for the simplicity of how that worked
[22:47:33] < Nikky> It wasn't my idea
[22:47:44] <+krisk> ports: :O kind of pretty
[22:47:57] <+KermM> ports: phat beatz
[22:48:03] < Leofox> new videa card for the win
[22:48:14] < Leofox> i would never imagined i would be able to run oblivion on ultra high
[22:48:21] <+KermM> what kind?
[22:48:24] <+krisk> wooyay
[22:48:26] < Leofox> 9600GT
[22:48:29] <+KermM> sick
[22:48:30] < i_c-Y> sweet.
[22:48:41] < i_c-Y> though at this point, theres been a lot of 8800gt deals for under the 9600gt price
[22:48:47] <@benryves> Bah, nvidia. :(
[22:48:49] < Leofox> yeah ive heard
[22:48:54] < i_c-Y> or a 5 - 10 dollar difference , which the 8800gt would have been worth it
[22:48:55] < Leofox> but i wanted a geforce 9
[22:49:04] < i_c-Y> dunno what its like on your side of the pond.
[22:49:10] <+ports> i_c-Y, under the price? not really
[22:49:16] <+ports> 9600Gt is $120 ... 8800Gt is $140
[22:49:27] < Leofox> over here the 8800 is 20-30 eu more
[22:49:37] < i_c-Y> ports: check fatwallet/slickdeals every so often.
[22:49:37] <+krisk> im glad i chose the 8800gt though
[22:49:47] <+ports> i_c-Y, i have been for the last few weeks
[22:49:47] < Leofox> with video cards its always a small step to a better card, where will it end
[22:49:49] < i_c-Y> i saw them at like 130, which is 9600gt territory as well.
[22:49:54] < Leofox> i started with wanting a 8600
[22:50:00] <+krisk> hehe
[22:50:01] < Leofox> but the 9600 is just a lot better
[22:50:02] < i_c-Y> lol8600 is a failure.
[22:50:04] <+ports> krisk, an 8800 wuld have been nice... but im not going to run over 1152x864... so it doesnt matter
[22:50:20] < Leofox> pretty cool that more games run on 1360x768 now
[22:50:28] < i_c-Y> the 9600gt has that automatic overclock thing though on some boards, which kinda disturbs me.
[22:50:42] < Leofox> its awesome to be able to play portal and oblivion on fullscreen on my widescreen hdtv
[22:51:02] < Leofox> the difference in performance between the 8800 and 9600 isnt that big
[22:51:51] <+TheStorm> meh I don't game much so the one that came with my comp is fine for me
[22:52:15] <@Andy_J> my 7800GT still works fine for me
[22:52:17] < Leofox> the one that came with my mobo was a 7050 :O
[22:52:22] <@Andy_J> not building a new computer anytime soon
[22:52:26] <@benryves> I had a 7300 LE in the work machine, but took it out and use the Intel GMA card instead. :\ No more driver crashes FTW!
[22:52:47] < Leofox> :( Intel graphics
[22:52:57] < i_c-Y> benryves: :-|
[22:52:59] <@Andy_J> ^ Leofox 
[22:53:03] < Damakaru> I wish we [I] could afford a gaming machine.
[22:53:07] < i_c-Y> you sure the card wasn't bad?
[22:53:15] < i_c-Y> Damakaru: get a new freakin mobo!
[22:53:15] < Leofox> for some reason they always fail to include the features that you want
[22:53:16] <@benryves> i_c-Y: It's a known issue.
[22:53:20] <+TheStorm> No clue what mine is some ATI thing
[22:53:27] < Leofox> my new laptop cant run half-life 2 because it has an intel card
[22:53:43] < Leofox> i dont use it much for games though
[22:53:44] <@Andy_J> yeah gma950 ftl
[22:53:56] <@benryves> Leofox: Heh, that machine has an X3000, which supposedly is pretty decent (unlike the 950).
[22:53:57] <+krisk> hur my laptop has 855gm
[22:54:07] < i_c-Y> nvs 140m ftw
[22:54:14] < Leofox> i dunno about ati/amd
[22:54:26] < Leofox> except that my wii has one apaprently
[22:54:36] < Nikky> my desktop is a 7950
[22:54:38] < Nikky> which is overkill
[22:54:45] < Leofox> the 7950 is great
[22:54:45] <@benryves> I've got a Radeon X1300 Pro in my machine. Plays DOOM 3 OK. *shrugs*
[22:54:56] < Nikky> mmm, doom 3
[22:55:06] <+krisk> http://manzanoproductions.com/uploaded_images/51592709Mdmolinari318200812455PM-738422.jpg :O
[22:55:08] < Leofox> the pc store where i work still sells 6200s
[22:55:12] < Leofox> they actually sell pretty good
[22:55:13] <+TheStorm> Radeon X300 SE
[22:55:24] < Leofox> krisk: oeh meisje met gitaar
[22:55:27] <+krisk> :O
[22:55:35] <@benryves> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007 <- this is why I'm going to stick with ATi over nvidia, until they sort their bloody drivers out. :D
[22:55:36] < i_c-Y> well for most people thats fine, Leofox 
[22:55:42] < i_c-Y> benryves: :/
[22:55:46] < Leofox> i'd break her g-string if you know what i mean
[22:55:56] <+krisk> uhm vista drivers are fine now welcomme to 2008
[22:56:10] < Leofox> i'm still on XP :P
[22:56:16] < i_c-Y> benryves: you dont want to know what they did there in the 3 gb + address space
[22:56:36] <+TheStorm> lol
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[22:57:02] <@benryves> krisk: I only finally gave up and removed the card about a month ago, and had been updating the drive pretty frequently (only pretty, as they were pretty slow to release updates). :\
[22:57:23] <@benryves> I guess part of the problem was it being a low-end card, hence limited support.
[22:57:28] <+krisk> well if you were using vista before this year you cant really blame nvidia imho
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[22:57:43] <+krisk> thats probably also the case
[22:57:44] <@Andy_J> s/before this year//
[22:57:47] <@benryves> Why not, krisk? Most of the other vendors managed to sort it out.
[22:57:48] <@Andy_J> >_> <_<
[22:57:54] < royger> what's the function to get the denominator of a fraction?
[22:58:14] <@Andy_J> isn't the rule "wait for SP1" anyway?
[22:58:19] <+krisk> i mean vista drivers were a mess period, that nvidia had more problems than others doesnt erally mean much
[22:58:40] <+krisk> i know it was the case for 8800's as well
[22:59:02] <+krisk> a better conclusion would be not to jump the ship on new hardware/software, rather than saying ati is better
[22:59:25] < Nikky> ATI sucks
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[22:59:56] <+krisk> although you may be right where budget cards are concerned, i never hear about those and maybe ati is much better in that range
[22:59:58]  * Damakaru agres with ni.
[23:00:00] < Damakaru> ni
[23:00:09] < Damakaru> Nikky: 
[23:00:15] <@Andy_J> Ni!
[23:00:38] <+krisk> plus, i remember lots of ati driver problems aroun the doom3 times
[23:01:44] < Nikky> Guys
[23:01:46] < Nikky> I found someone
[23:01:54] <@benryves> krisk: Prior to DOOM3, ATi's OpenGL drivers were pretty sluggish. They released "hotfix" drivers for DOOM3 that significantly boosted the performance. Is that what you're thinking of?
[23:01:54] < Nikky> Who uses fedora... because Kevin Kofler does
[23:01:58] < Nikky> And it's not Sir_Lewk 
[23:02:24] < Sir_Lewk> oh?
[23:02:27] <+krisk> actually i remember issues with crashes and silly things like that
[23:02:32] < Nikky> Sir_Lewk: yeah, bfr
[23:02:36] < Sir_Lewk> there are other reasons to use it you know :P
[23:02:39] < Nikky> He actually *admits* it
[23:02:42] <+krisk> think i recall last years 8800 issues being compared to it
[23:02:44] < Nikky> IT's his number one reason
[23:02:54] < Sir_Lewk> lol
[23:02:57] < Sir_Lewk> who
[23:03:06] <@Andy_J> fedora sucks because rpm sucks
[23:03:21] < Sir_Lewk> as if deb is much better
[23:03:40] < Nikky> It is
[23:03:47] <@Andy_J> I meant rpm the package manager itself
[23:04:01] <+krisk> but im not sure, what i am sure of is that who gives the best performance/driver quality constantly shifts with time which really makes it come back to not whining when youre trying something that should still be in beta
[23:04:01] <@Andy_J> the format is rather meh as well I guess
[23:04:10] < Sir_Lewk> yum works just as well as apt-get, the last time I actually had to us an rpm or deb manually was years ago
[23:04:49] <+krisk> not to say that youre whining. just drawing a strawman
[23:04:56] <+krisk> i am
[23:06:54] < Damakaru> Both DEB and RPM suck -- .tar.gz FTW.  :P
[23:07:09] <@Andy_J> ... no
[23:07:21] < Sir_Lewk> well you can't argue that :P
[23:07:36] < royger> gentoo is the only useful distro
[23:07:42] < royger> the others are much like windows
[23:07:43] < Sir_Lewk> obviously LFS is the only real distro
[23:07:43] <@Andy_J> it'd be .tgz anymore, and .tar.bz2 is better anyway
[23:07:47] < Damakaru> Or  Arch Linux.
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[23:08:08] < Damakaru> Arch Linux goes faster than Gentoo for me, and the binaries are already closely enough compiled for my processor.
[23:08:09] < i_c-Y> gentoo is a waste of time
[23:08:12] <@Andy_J> royger: gentoo needs to settle down and not make it impossible to update a system that is more than 2 hours out of date
[23:08:25] < i_c-Y> haha.
[23:08:31] < royger> i've been running gentoo servers for quite some time without any problem
[23:08:40] <+ports> xp sp3 ftw!
[23:08:43]  * i_c-Y prepares an email for funroll-loops.info
[23:08:45] < royger> i even have it installed in a 200mhz 128mb ram computer
[23:08:52] <@Andy_J> I used to then got pissed off when the entire baselayout changed and broke most everything
[23:09:21] < royger> anyway i use mac os at home
[23:09:31] <@Andy_J> so the one last gentoo box i admin is not getting any updates anymore (it's externally firewalled and only runs NAT and samba)
[23:09:34] <@Andy_J> as do I
[23:09:37] < royger> that's a good operation system, woth paying for
[23:09:38] <@Andy_J> and so does my home router now
[23:09:52] <@Andy_J> well I use it on hardware that's actually licensed to use it, dunno about you
[23:10:03] < royger> yup, me too
[23:10:09] <@Andy_J> Hostname: adsl-76-244-144-10.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net - OS: Darwin 8.11.0/Power Macintosh - CPU: Motorola PowerPC G4 (448.79 MHz) - Processes: 99 - Uptime: 16d 16m - Load Average: 2.19 2.22 2.09 - Memory Usage: 139.38MB/1024.00MB (13.61%) - Disk Usage: 184.32GB/264.05GB (69.80%) - Internet Traffic (en3): 10674.34MB In/5420.70MB Out - LAN Traffic (en2): 22485.60MB In/34658.22MB Out
[23:10:15] <@Andy_J> s/G4/G3/
[23:10:26] <@Andy_J> it's old but it works as a router/file server/irssi box
[23:11:03] <@Andy_J> damn 34.5 GB out over the LAN :|
[23:12:47] < royger> i have one of those new intel imacs
[23:12:54] < royger> as my workstation
[23:13:09] <@Andy_J> I have a late 2006 black Macbook
[23:13:19] <@Andy_J> which I am currently typing on
[23:13:30] < Nikky> Apple's license is retarded
[23:13:36] <@Andy_J> not really
[23:13:40] < Nikky> I can't believe you retards actually support that shit
[23:13:50] <@Andy_J> the license is fine for them being a hardware company
[23:13:58] < Nikky> But they're cute and run some bastard form of unix
[23:14:01] < Nikky> so it must be kewl
[23:14:15] <@Andy_J> Darwin/BSD is hardly a bastard form of UNIX.
[23:14:26] <@Andy_J> Nevermind the fact that Leopard is a fully certified trademark UNIX.
[23:14:48] < Nikky> *yawn*
[23:14:54] < Nikky> I don't listen to apple fanbois
[23:15:11] < royger> hehehe
[23:15:15] < royger> me neither
[23:15:22] <@Andy_J> If any GNU/Linux distribution would not be a pain to use, I'd ues it.
[23:15:30] <@Andy_J> But this Just Works and has wider support.
[23:15:35] < Nikky> The only distribution you've used is gentoo
[23:15:42] < Nikky> That's hardly representitive
[23:15:47] <@Andy_J> I've used Red Hat, Debian, and Ubuntu.
[23:15:51] <@Andy_J> And Fedora.
[23:15:52] < royger> if photoshop and other deisng programs where available for linux
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[23:16:12] < Nikky> Well, google is financing better support for PS
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[23:16:31] < royger> but if i have to choose between mac or windows, i'm staying with windows
[23:16:52] < Nikky> Windows kicks ass
[23:17:21] < royger> shit your right, i'm retarded, "but if i have to choose between mac or windows, i'm staying with mac"
[23:17:23] < _Auron_> what's google have to do with PS?
[23:17:30] < royger> that's what i mean to say
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[23:17:45] < Nikky> _Auron_: NO idea, but they're financing wine to add more support
[23:17:57] < _Auron_> that's .. interesting
[23:18:01] < Nikky> Why?
[23:18:09] < Nikky> Google doesn't like microsoft
[23:18:09] < _Auron_> google likes to support things on a whim, heh
[23:18:16] < _Auron_> does anyone?
[23:18:23] < Nikky> and adobe apps are one of the main holdouts for windows
[23:18:23] < royger> bill?
[23:18:29] <@benryves> _Auron_: Unless it's Opera, then they can't be arsed. ;)
[23:18:32] < Nikky> so it makes great business sense to support adobe compatablity
[23:18:38] < Nikky> Opera is amazing
[23:18:42] < Nikky> Best company ever
[23:18:54] < _Auron_> lol
[23:18:57] < Leofox> why doesnt google support oper anyway
[23:19:00] < Leofox> *opera
[23:19:12] <@benryves> Leofox: Laziness? I dunno. It's a little irksome.
[23:19:13] < _Auron_> why doesn't google support everything? :)
[23:19:35] < royger> opera is quite a crappy browser in my opinion, it's not even able to support overflows in divs...
[23:20:10] <@benryves> Er, what? Opera is (and always has been) one of the most standard-compliant browsers out there.
[23:20:22] < Leofox> benryves: I think javascript support is pretty annoying to port
[23:21:00] < royger> benryves: yes, but i don't know why it's missing some features all other browsers have (that include ie6, if you call that a browser)
[23:21:15] <@benryves> royger: Which features?
[23:21:35] < royger> benryves: like overflow: auto, overflow:scroll...
[23:21:37] <@benryves> Leofox: Heh. I delegate all that stuff to a framework like mootools, which gives you a simple, standard API that automatically works in all browsers.
[23:21:56] < Nikky> Opera is the best browser
[23:21:59] < Nikky> royger is a hater
[23:22:09] < Nikky> he probably blows the firefox fox
[23:22:11] < Leofox>                                  
[23:22:15] < Nikky> :)
[23:22:22] < royger> not really, i'm a webkit fan (Safari)
[23:22:22] <@benryves> royger: Opera quite clearly supports those, and has done for years :|
[23:23:07] < royger> benryves: they say so, but it's not working
[23:23:21] <@benryves> royger: Can you give me some proof? :|
[23:23:53] <+Tyler2> How do I make two "table" columns in css on the same row?
[23:24:09] < royger> benryves: http://www.telecogresca.com/telecogresca/ -> click on "Situació"
[23:24:29] < royger> this works in all browsers, except opera
[23:24:40] < royger> and it's because of the fu** overflow
[23:26:16] < royger> anyway, i'm off to do some LFSR shit, see you later and long life to Safari!
[23:27:07] <@benryves> royger: Weird. The site is difficult to debug, but I'll counter with http://www.benryves.com/index.php?module=journal&mode=latest&mode=filtered&single_post=3191250 which clearly has scroll bars on the source code box at the bottom .
[23:27:20] < Milyardo> royger: That is a strangely well witten site
[23:27:32] < Milyardo> *written
[23:27:39] < royger> Milyardo: thanks :)
[23:28:02] <@benryves> Did you write that, then? :\
[23:28:37] < royger> yes
[23:28:46] < royger> it's what i do for living
[23:28:54] < royger> well for earning some money
[23:29:02] <@benryves> Heh, as do I. :P
[23:29:08] < royger> my parents still pay some of my expenses
[23:29:46] < royger> you will need firebug to debut that
[23:30:36]  * benryves is just going to blame it on the CSS errors that Opera spits out ;)
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[23:31:12] <+TheStorm> meh I jsut like the feel of FF better 
[23:31:27] < royger> there are quite a lot of fixes to make the page compatible with ie6 and 7
[23:31:27] < Nikky> You would
[23:31:46] <@benryves> royger: div#pegatina { height: 42pxgrup	; } /* ? */
[23:32:23] <+TheStorm> I like the add-one system rather than using widgets
[23:32:29] <+TheStorm> add-on*
[23:34:01] < royger> benryves: someone has been messing with the sheets, since the page is no longer "online", anyway it should afect the overflow problem, since this div has nothing to do with the other
[23:34:15] < royger> s/should/shouldn't
[23:35:37] < royger> the problem is with div#text_seccio and div#text
[23:35:45] < Milyardo> benryves: You too have an awesome site, I'm enjoying reading your raytracing stuff, I too have been planning to taking a stab at a RT engine
[23:37:36] < Milyardo> I however was more interesting in implementing RT ina programmable GPU
[23:37:59] <@benryves> Milyardo: Ah cool. :D
[23:38:16] < Milyardo> Though I'd have no idea where'd I get the hardware, so I was going to do what you're doing
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[23:38:47] < Milyardo> Is your RT engine realtime?
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[23:39:27] <@benryves> Milyardo: Hah, no. Not at all!
[23:39:39] < Milyardo> :) maybe one day
[23:45:24] < Leofox> woah there are even more how i met your mother songs
[23:45:27] < Leofox> they should make an album
[23:45:39] < Leofox> Marshall with You just got slapped
[23:45:49] < Leofox> and Robin with her two eighties style pop songs
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