--- Log opened Fri May 16 00:00:27 2008
[00:03:11] < _Auron_> apparently not enough
[00:03:32] < _Auron_> krisk: sorry, yeah I got it
[00:03:40] <+krisk> np
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[00:08:29] <+krisk> im still practising squatz myself of course
[00:09:23] <+krisk> going again tomorrow, reading some of mark rippetoe's comments on that site i pmed you
[00:10:02] < _Auron_> k
[00:10:07] < _Auron_> I wonder how far I walked
[00:10:13] < _Auron_> *goes to google earth :D*
[00:10:18] <+krisk> :O
[00:10:27] < _Auron_> I was walking for over an hour
[00:10:28] < prime_> over 9000cm
[00:10:51] <+krisk> im gonna guess 6km
[00:11:16] < _Auron_> 3.7mi?
[00:11:21] < _Auron_> we shall see
[00:11:35] < _Auron_> I walked on a trail so I'll need to find it on google earth and plot the distance
[00:11:40] <+krisk> ah yeah
[00:11:46] <+krisk> :O a good squat video finally
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[00:15:43] < Leofox> http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=9mJAsgIIfNM
[00:16:05] <+krisk> robinroll?
[00:16:22] < Leofox> that's from a great show
[00:16:35] < Leofox> there's like a small piece of the video in how i met your mother
[00:16:41] < Leofox> and they actually made a full video
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[00:16:54]  * Netham45 smells like lemons
[00:17:14] < Netham45> forgot packets of lemon juice in my pocket.
[00:17:20] < Netham45> they smell awesome
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[00:18:50] < _Auron_> er
[00:19:02] < _Auron_> if I make a path in google earth, is there a way to tell what distance it is?
[00:19:05] < chronomex> I think so
[00:20:30] < _Auron_> oh wtf :|
[00:20:41] < _Auron_> I made a path, then to find out the length of a path I have to make a new one using the ruler too
[00:20:43] < _Auron_> tool*
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[00:22:17] <@efneTI92> [Sir_Lewk] Give me a biscuit, I will do science to it
[00:25:21] <+krisk> pff reading all these comments makes it look like its virtually impossible to do a correct SQUATZ
[00:25:58] < Sir_Lewk> SCIENCE
[00:25:58] < Sir_Lewk> TO A BISCUIT
[00:26:27] <+krisk> on the other hand i could already be doing them correctly @_@
[00:26:33] <@Andy_J> Sir_Lewk: That is getting rather old.
[00:27:00] < Sir_Lewk> I'm sorry
[00:27:16] < prime_> i think i am going to sem my info line to "Give me a biscuit, I eat it"
[00:27:25] < prime_> i will eat it
[00:27:31]  * Sir_Lewk cuts himself
[00:27:39]  * prime_ cuts Sir_Lewk
[00:29:32] <+krisk> ok ff crashed
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[00:29:34] <+krisk> time to sleep
[00:30:24] < chronomex> 'night krisk
[00:30:29]  * chronomex tucks krisk in
[00:30:41] < Leofox> oh wow its 2:30 already
[00:30:45] < Leofox> i dont feel asleep at al
[00:30:50] <+tifreak> o.O
[00:31:10]  * Speler has to do homework today
[00:31:19] <+Speler> But I know I won't end up doing it...
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[00:33:58] <@efneTI92> [Merthsoft] Heat, time, and pressure; the things needed to make diamonds also make waffles.
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[00:34:16] < Netham45> Damn!
[00:34:24] < Netham45> I'm getting 4MB/s downloads from Microsoft.com
[00:34:28] < chronomex> pity
[00:35:40] <+krisk> yeah 2.30 already no sleep here either but ill have to get some if only to rest before going to the gym tomorrow
[00:35:51] <+krisk> how on earth are you supposed to stop losing sleep over a girl you like
[00:37:29] <+krisk> everybody seems to have a 'girls are just trouble/bitches/whores' thing going on, is that it?
[00:38:16] < chronomex> maybe
[00:38:22] < chronomex> but why lose sleep?
[00:38:31] < prime_> chronomex thinks girls are icky
[00:38:37] < chronomex> <3 girls
[00:38:48] <+krisk> not very sleepy + thinking about stuff = no sleep for krisk
[00:39:10] < prime_> not very sleepy + sleeping pills = sleep
[00:39:43] <+krisk> i dont do drugs
[00:39:55] < prime_> never
[00:40:03] < prime_> never a tylenol or aspirin?
[00:40:07] <+krisk> i do SQUATZ and MILK
[00:40:10] <+krisk> nope
[00:40:26] <+krisk> im sure ill try shrooms xtc and lsd some time but not that crap
[00:40:27] < prime_> are you a jehovahs witness or something
[00:40:40] < prime_> the sleeping pills arent to get high off of
[00:40:47] <+krisk> i know
[00:40:47] < prime_> they are for you to get some rest
[00:41:00] <+krisk> i believe in fixing problems
[00:41:08] <+krisk> not using crutches
[00:41:53] <+Merthsoft> i'm sure you'll be thinking the same thing when your legs break
[00:42:02] <+Merthsoft> "Oh, no, no crutch for me, thanks"
[00:42:17] <+krisk> yes, then i wont be using crutches either untill AFTER getting the breaks fixed ; )
[00:42:39] <+Merthsoft> so once you're out of the cast?
[00:42:54] < prime_> there is no reasoning with him, so dont ever try
[00:42:57] <+krisk> no once the bleeding and wierd angle have stopped
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[00:43:05] <+Merthsoft> that's not fixed
[00:43:11] <+krisk> fixed enouggh
[00:43:14] <+Merthsoft> setting the bone isn't fixingit
[00:43:26] <+krisk> but it fixes the problem
[00:43:33] <+Merthsoft> as do sleeping pills
[00:43:35] < Netham45> by causing more
[00:43:51] <+krisk> the sleeping pills dont fix the problem that is causing the lack of sleep
[00:44:09] <+Merthsoft> they fix the lack of sleep
[00:44:15] <+Merthsoft> cast doesn't fix the break
[00:44:25] <+krisk> the break isnt the problem
[00:44:27] <+Merthsoft> or the problem that causes the break
[00:44:42] <+krisk> the consequences of an untreated break are a problem
[00:44:51] <+Merthsoft> the break is the problem, dude
[00:45:03] <+Merthsoft> saying the consequences of blah blah blah
[00:45:11] <+krisk> the break = the lack of sleep
[00:45:11] <+Merthsoft> that means it's the blah blah blah that's the problem
[00:45:16] < Netham45> the break is the problem, consequences are symptoms
[00:45:37] <+Merthsoft> that's like "Well, the mob isn't the problem, it's the killing of people that the mob does that is the problem"
[00:46:00] <+krisk> well without that negative consequence whats wrong with a mob?
[00:46:11] <+krisk> anyway
[00:46:24] <+Merthsoft> but...
[00:46:26] <+krisk> im supposed to take sleeping pills forever then?
[00:46:28] <+Merthsoft> you're an idiot
[00:46:36] <+Merthsoft> take the sleeping pills till something else works
[00:46:43] <+krisk> i dont have sleeping pills
[00:46:58] <+Merthsoft> if it's never sleep well again or take sleeping pills forever, you'd choose sleep deprevation?
[00:47:19] <+Merthsoft> You can take melatonin, which is a supplement, not even a drug
[00:47:22] <+Merthsoft> it'll help you sleep
[00:47:26] <+krisk> the sleeping goes fine, its the getting to sleep part that takes some time
[00:47:35] <+Merthsoft> same shit
[00:47:53] < prime_> just take one of every pill you can find
[00:47:57] <+krisk> well my total amount of sleep stays correct
[00:48:02] <+Merthsoft> melatonin will help, and it's a naturally occurring neural hormone
[00:48:23] <+krisk> i dont have melatonin supplements
[00:48:25] < Netham45> not just a joke, but masturbate, it releases a horomone that will help you get to sleep.
[00:48:42] < Netham45> erm, not a joke*
[00:48:48] <+krisk> i know
[00:48:55] <+Merthsoft> go get some
[00:49:33] < prime_> Radio Ga Ga
[00:49:35] <+krisk> i know how to get to sleep
[00:49:43] <+krisk> but that doesnt change the premise of my original question
[00:49:46] <+Merthsoft> then shit the fuck up
[00:49:50] < Netham45> Radio Goo Goo
[00:49:54] < prime_> yay
[00:49:58] <+Merthsoft> All we hear is...
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[00:50:04] < Netham45> \o/
[00:50:10] <+tifreak> lol merthsoft XD
[00:50:13] < prime_> queen is the shit
[00:50:15] <+krisk> nor does it change the situation where it takes a while
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[00:50:16] <+Merthsoft> indeed
[00:50:28] <+Merthsoft> krisk: taking melatonin would
[00:50:36] <+krisk> perhaps
[00:50:48] <+Merthsoft> most likely
[00:50:57] <+krisk> but still, is it the 'girls = trouble/whores' thing that gets normal people to not care?
[00:51:00] < Netham45> np: Queen - Flash - (0:45 / 2:51)
[00:51:05] < prime_> see a psychiatrist
[00:51:13] < prime_> they dont prescribe drugs
[00:51:25] < Netham45> krisk, I'd hope that we'd advanced beyond that as a sociciety, but probabally. =/
[00:51:26] <+Merthsoft> yeah they do
[00:51:30] <+Merthsoft> prime_: don't be dumb
[00:51:39] <+Merthsoft> psychologists can't prescribe
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[00:51:57] <+krisk> lame, i cant think that of girls
[00:52:09] <+Merthsoft> krisk: how old are you?
[00:52:17] <+krisk> 20 why
[00:52:34] < prime_> ohh, its the psychologist that doesnt prescribe medicine
[00:52:34] <+Merthsoft> and your can't sleep 'caues of girls?
[00:52:41] <+Merthsoft> prime_: that's what i just said
[00:52:45] <+krisk> i cant sleep because of tinking
[00:53:04] < Damakaru> "T[h]inking," uh-huh, sure.
[00:53:10] <+krisk> or well, it takes a whiel to get to sleep
[00:53:29] <+Merthsoft> well, that'll happen
[00:53:37] <+krisk> like 2-3 hours
[00:53:41] <+krisk> and no i dont fap that long :P
[00:53:50] <+Merthsoft> yeah either need pills or a psych or both
[00:54:12] <+krisk> or just a healthy way of working with it
[00:54:22] <+Merthsoft> why is that unhealthy?
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[00:54:53] <+krisk> well its not unhealthy perse
[00:55:21] <+krisk> but i mean theres always a natural learning process
[00:55:34] <+Merthsoft> that's what a psychologist will help with
[00:55:50] <+krisk> probably
[00:56:02] <+Merthsoft> in fact, IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB to help people learn ways of dealing with things in a natural way
[00:56:12] <+krisk> exactly
[00:56:20] <+Merthsoft> well, then, what's the issue?
[00:56:23] < chronomex> else you don't ... well you always pay
[00:56:43] <+krisk> if there's an answer why would you need to go to a shrink to learn it?
[00:56:53] < Nikky> Is krisk acting retarded?
[00:56:56] <+Merthsoft> psychologists aren't shrinks
[00:57:01] <+Merthsoft> psychiatrists are
[00:57:02] <+krisk> you know what i mean
[00:57:44] <+Merthsoft> well, my pipes are broke, there's a way to fix them, i don't know it, guess I'll just live with the horrible leak instead of hiring a plumber
[00:57:55] < Damakaru> Hire Mario and Luigi.
[00:57:56] <+Merthsoft> Nikky: Very
[00:58:01] <+krisk> cant fix the leak yourself?
[00:58:11] <+krisk> or a handy neighbour/friend?
[00:58:13] <+Merthsoft> don't know how
[00:58:15] < Nikky> I suggest just /ignoring the troll
[00:58:16] < Netham45> Merthsoft, so you're comparing him to a broken pipe?
[00:58:17] <+Merthsoft> they don't either
[00:58:21] <+Merthsoft> it's a bad leak
[00:58:32] < Damakaru> There's a troll?  Where?
[00:58:34] <+Merthsoft> too complicated for a normal person
[00:58:35] <+Merthsoft> but
[00:58:36] <+Merthsoft> MAYBE
[00:58:54] <+Merthsoft> there's a professional who has had extensive training in the subject who can help
[00:59:04] <+krisk> there always is
[00:59:13] <+krisk> but pipes arent a natural learning process
[00:59:19] < chronomex> http://xrl.us/streetviewflasher
[00:59:19] < chronomex> lol
[00:59:24] <+Merthsoft> jesus krisk 
[00:59:31] <+Merthsoft> it's a fucking metaphor 
[00:59:34] <+krisk> i know
[00:59:40] <+krisk> and im taking it to the next level
[00:59:51] < Damakaru> hahaha
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[00:59:58] <+Merthsoft> look, if you're going to ask for advice, don't shoot it down with stupidity
[01:00:04] <+Merthsoft> think about it
[01:00:05] <+krisk> im not shooting it down
[01:00:21] <+krisk> i agree that psychologists learn how to fix these things
[01:00:26] <+krisk> or psichiatrists or whatever
[01:00:36] < Damakaru> lol psychologists.  DIY FTW
[01:00:53] <+krisk> and i agree that sleeping pills and such would get sleep started efficiently
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[01:01:08] <+Merthsoft> Damakaru: stfu, you're making krisk's stupidity look tolerable
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[01:01:34] < Damakaru> That is a good thing; I am shifting the balance of...
[01:01:42] < Damakaru> ...something.
[01:01:48] <+Merthsoft> -_-
[01:01:48] < Nikky> Maybe krisk would sleep better if he wasn't angry at life all of the time.
[01:01:55] <+krisk> but stupid krisk is wondering what the healthy alternative answer is to thinking all girls are trouble
[01:02:07] < Damakaru> Play some bloody shooter games or something.
[01:02:12] < Damakaru> Good way to take out anger.
[01:02:15] < Nikky> Hey Merthsoft, how's the weather there?
[01:02:32] <+krisk> nikky, youre the one projecting fear and selfloathing on people in an internet channel, i think we both know which of us hates himself
[01:02:35] <+Merthsoft> krisk: There's nothing unhealthy about melatonin or psychologists.
[01:02:44] <+Merthsoft> Nikky: Pretty nice, actually.
[01:02:57] < Nikky> Same here!
[01:02:58] < Damakaru> TCPA is an Internet Hate Machine?
[01:03:01] < Nikky> :D
[01:03:05] <+krisk> melatonin isnt an alternatieve to thinking girls are trouble
[01:03:21] < Nikky> You guys are both insane
[01:03:23] <+Merthsoft> krisk: If you want answers to how to fix the way you're thinking, a trained professional is the way to go
[01:03:25] <+krisk> psychologists probably know the answer
[01:03:26] < chronomex> inane too, Nikky
[01:03:26] < Nikky> luckily Merthsoft is a champ
[01:03:35] <+krisk> and its that answer im wondering about, not that psychologists know of it
[01:03:40] <+Merthsoft> either a counselor at school or a psychologist
[01:03:45] < Damakaru> Psychologists are too expensive.
[01:03:57] < Damakaru> I've been to two and I'm still me.  :P
[01:04:01] <+Merthsoft> that answer isn't really something that can happen on IRC
[01:04:02] < chronomex> that's what she said
[01:04:02] < Nikky> What is this, #scientology?
[01:04:06] < chronomex> hah
[01:04:14] <+Merthsoft> it's something that takes, well, counseling... 
[01:04:16] < Damakaru> They ain't nothin' but a bunch of gold diggers, like Miss Cleo.
[01:04:49] <+Merthsoft> Nikky: Remember when this channel used to be cool?
[01:04:58] < Nikky> Yeah, it was about a month ago.
[01:05:03] < Leofox> modern psychiatry violates human rights!1! and it's against whut hubbard sed!
[01:05:05] < Damakaru> Nikky++
[01:05:06] <+Merthsoft> more then that
[01:05:07] < Nikky> Before krisk came arond.
[01:05:09] <+krisk> but hte way i see it things like counseling are just like a guide to a place on a map, you can still get to that place without a map or a guide
[01:05:20] <+Merthsoft> sure
[01:05:22] <+Merthsoft> good luck
[01:05:25] <+krisk> um ive been here for years
[01:05:45] <+Merthsoft> Nikky: about a year ago it was pretty awesome
[01:05:56] < Damakaru> If it was real counseling, you'd be able to get that for free.
[01:06:05] < Damakaru> From someone who actually understands you.
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[01:06:15] <+Merthsoft> Damakaru: Shut the fuck up
[01:06:17] <+krisk> nobody udnerstands me bawww ;_;
[01:06:27] < _Digital> anyone here drive stick/manual trany?
[01:06:30] <+krisk> hehe
[01:06:36] <+Merthsoft> _Digital: I can
[01:06:46] < _Digital> just finished the install of a short shifter kit
[01:06:56] <+krisk> but psychologists do first have to build an understanding of who you are/what your situation is before they can begin to help
[01:06:58] <+Merthsoft> i dunno what that means
[01:07:05] <+Merthsoft> krisk: yup
[01:07:17] <+Merthsoft> there are many free counselors
[01:07:21] < Leofox> I passed the pokemon test!
[01:07:25] <+Merthsoft> especially if you go to college
[01:07:27] <+krisk> when all you really need are the missing pieces
[01:07:29] < _Digital> the thro and side to side distances are shortened
[01:07:32]  * Damakaru looks for a free, open-source psychiatrist.  :p
[01:07:32] < _Digital> throw*
[01:07:41] <+Merthsoft> oh, ok
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[01:07:44] < prime_> Who wants to live forever?
[01:07:44] < prime_> Forever is our today
[01:07:44] < prime_> Who waits forever anyway?
[01:07:45] < Leofox> its a test to find out how much you know about pokemon battles, to qualify for some tournament
[01:07:48] < prime_> whoops
[01:07:49] < prime_> sorry
[01:07:50] <+Merthsoft> krisk: You're not gonna find them here
[01:07:51] < Leofox> you need 15/20 to qualify
[01:07:53] < Leofox> i got 18/20
[01:07:56] <+Merthsoft> go meet some fucking girls
[01:08:03] <+krisk> no but i was just wondering
[01:08:14] < Leofox> the questions are pretty hard, like what attack is super effective against gligar
[01:08:19] < Damakaru> Damn this proprietary universe!
[01:08:22]  * _Digital concurs with Merthsoft 
[01:08:24] <+krisk> and unlikely certain people here some are actually pretty decent and might wander along
[01:08:44] <+Merthsoft> Leofox: Well, your mom, of course
[01:09:10] < Nikky> People will be more helpful if you aren't an ass to them first.
[01:09:20] <+krisk> plus, 30 minutes just passed taknig me closer to an expected natural point of sleep based on how long im awake
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[01:09:38] <+krisk> oh im sorry, how was i an ass and to who?
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[01:09:54] < _Digital> nice
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[01:10:13] <@Andy_J> *whom
[01:10:15] < Leofox> wow, their uber list is pretty.. longer than usual
[01:10:18] <+krisk> whom, sorry
[01:10:29] < Leofox> celebi and jirachi are uber now?
[01:10:32] < Damakaru> What's quality control?
[01:10:35] < Leofox> even dragonite and tyranitar
[01:10:38] < Damakaru> We finally
[01:10:45] <+Merthsoft> Damakaru: something to control quality
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[01:10:47] <+Merthsoft> duh
[01:10:51] <+krisk> quality control is troll trolls being troll mods
[01:10:59] < Damakaru> ...got the bots to analzye conversations or something?
[01:11:05] < Leofox> i can understand mewtwo and palkia being forbidden
[01:11:15] < Damakaru> And kick if they are not more than 75% good or something?
[01:11:15] <+Merthsoft> Leofox: shshshshshsh
[01:11:33] <+krisk> trying to get some response
[01:11:34] <@Andy_J> Yeah, let's go with that, Damakaru 
[01:11:34] <+krisk> but id still like to know how i was an ass, to whom, maybe when because i didnt intend to be
[01:11:50] < jeph> jeez, sory my clien keeps reconecting
[01:12:06] < _Digital> you're the least of our worries
[01:12:19] <+krisk> thats what i was thinking
[01:12:27] < Leofox> I should go to #pokemon or so
[01:12:28] < jeph> are casio calculators attacking the interwebs?
[01:12:32] <+krisk> but nikky seems to disagree
[01:12:41] <+krisk> and i respect him so id like to know his case
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[01:13:06] < Damakaru> krisk is being way too philosophical and what not for me to be able to detect assery.  :P
[01:13:16] < _Digital> krisk, I was referring to jeph, not you.
[01:13:33] <+krisk> thats ok
[01:13:52] < Damakaru> Dude would make a really good peace negotiator
[01:14:03] <+krisk> i was going to say things along those lines anyway
[01:14:16] < Damakaru> 'Cause I don't think I ever seen krisk get 'mad' mad before; he just calmly talks everything out.
[01:14:28] <+Merthsoft> too calmly
[01:14:28] <+krisk> the dude? lebowski?
[01:14:52] <+Merthsoft> there's a topic we can talk about
[01:15:00] <+Merthsoft> fucking loved the big lebowski
[01:15:04] <+krisk> SQUATZ
[01:15:05] <+krisk> oh yeah
[01:15:13] <+krisk> awesome movie, was on.... 2 weeks ago
[01:15:32] < Damakaru> I wish I could be like that - that would be awesome to stay cool and calm all the time, but it'd suck, 'cause where does all the anger go?
[01:15:42] <+krisk> self-loathing
[01:15:52] <+Merthsoft> it's not a lack of anger, it's passive-agressive
[01:16:03] < jeph> Ok, let's talk about this
[01:16:05] <+krisk> oh come on, who can be aggressive over irc comments?
[01:16:10] -!- jeph is now known as DontGoogl
[01:16:18] <+Merthsoft> I CAN YOU LITTLE FUCK-BAG PRICK
[01:16:22] <+krisk> no u
[01:16:26] <+Merthsoft> :(
[01:16:27] <+krisk> oh wait
[01:16:28] <+Merthsoft> plz?
[01:16:45] < DontGoogl> when you google my name it comes up with a testimonial I posted about an idustrial piercing (ear) and the company posted it on the prince albert page
[01:16:57] <+Merthsoft> lame
[01:16:59] < DontGoogl> it makes it sound like I'm a homosexual with a dick piercing and they won't remove it
[01:17:03] <+Merthsoft> very very different
[01:17:09] < chronomex> nice
[01:17:10] <+krisk> i dont know, theres little enough irl i care enough about to get angry over, irc comes nowhere near any level of /care
[01:17:14] < DontGoogl> I'm going for computer science, people are going to google me
[01:17:15] <+Merthsoft> my bro is getting an industrial
[01:17:18] < Nikky> What's wrong with penis piercings?
[01:17:32] < DontGoogl> I don't have one and I'm not gay... I didn't say there was anything wrong with them
[01:17:43] < Nikky> I'm gay
[01:17:50] < DontGoogl> Industrials are bad, they cause two sites of trauma and sources of infection right next to eachother
[01:17:58] < DontGoogl> Ok, you're gay, I'm not.
[01:17:59] <+krisk> might actually work out nicely if it makes you stand out from the crowd
[01:18:07] < Damakaru> lol anger goes away a lot over text-only chats.
[01:18:18] < Nikky> Damakaru: Not really.
[01:18:23] <+Merthsoft> DontGoogl: I know lots of people with them, and only one got an infection
[01:18:25] < Nikky> It depends on how elegant you are with prose.
[01:18:41] < DontGoogl> yes, but if you go to remove them they have large keyloids/scars
[01:18:49] <+krisk> i mean 99% of people are made of boring and bland, you might just be noticed/remembered for being related to a funny piercing situation
[01:18:50] < Damakaru> Well, it's there, but you can't tell how intense it is.
[01:18:54] <+Merthsoft> generally, yeah
[01:18:58] < DontGoogl> I wish I hadn't gotten it, but it is a nice piercing to have I guess, not alot of people have it
[01:19:14] < DontGoogl> well I bought my first & last name
[01:19:25] < DontGoogl> so when you google me, that'll be the first result, stating how the subsequent result is bullshit
[01:19:26] < Damakaru> It's not as "good" as it is when someone is grabbing your head and slamming it into the wall, while screaming rage at you.
[01:20:46] < _Digital> wtf did I just miss
[01:20:48] <+krisk> what makes a piercing an industrial piercing?
[01:21:00] < _Digital> Nikky, aren't you try? you'll try anything?
[01:21:05] <+Merthsoft> krisk: it's a type
[01:21:11] <+Merthsoft> like tragus or nostril
[01:21:17] <+krisk> oh right
[01:21:18] < Nikky> _Digital: Try what?
[01:21:27] < DontGoogl> industrial are two cartilidge piercings on the upper ear usually that connect using a bar
[01:21:30] < _Digital> [18:18:28]  <Nikky> I'm gay
[01:21:34] <+Merthsoft> krisk: like this http://z.about.com/d/tattoo/1/0/s/i/1/ear4.jpg
[01:21:38] <+krisk> ah i see
[01:21:59] < Damakaru> Oh, so that explains why Nikky licks guys.
[01:22:03] <+krisk> whats the one called where its between the lower lip and the bottom of the chin?
[01:22:52] < prime_> emo
[01:22:59] < _Digital> lawl
[01:23:13] <+krisk> troll troll is troll, try again
[01:23:23] < Damakaru> prime_++
[01:23:29] < Damakaru> Just 'cause that came at such good timing.  :P
[01:23:36] <+krisk> true : )
[01:23:39] < _Digital> Nikky, do mind giving me 2200 bucks?
[01:23:51] <+krisk> i really like that kind on girls though <3
[01:23:59] < Damakaru> Does anyone mind giving me a computer faster than this VIA?
[01:24:09] < Damakaru> :)
[01:24:13] < _Digital> if I had one to spare
[01:24:18] < OxC2D> Blahh!
[01:24:18] <+Merthsoft> krisk: probably a verticle lowbret
[01:24:26] < _Digital> I want glass
[01:24:41] < OxC2D> Merthsoft: whose peircing?
[01:24:47] < _Digital> OxC2D, I see that you're runnign new hardware
[01:24:51] < Damakaru> Glass would look cool.
[01:24:55] <+Merthsoft> no one in particular
[01:25:01] < Damakaru> But I would need a Randomist-proof computer.
[01:25:02] < OxC2D> _Digital??
[01:25:07] < _Digital> the nick change
[01:25:10] < OxC2D> Haha, no
[01:25:14] < Damakaru> I'd break that one first day.
[01:25:14] < OxC2D> Its 0x40 + 0xBED
[01:25:17] < OxC2D> :D
[01:25:22] <+krisk> lowbret. hmm.. gis here i come
[01:25:26] < Nikky> OxC2D is stupid.
[01:25:27] < _Digital> thats sweet
[01:25:37] < Damakaru> Aww.
[01:25:40] < chronomex> it's cute
[01:25:41] < Damakaru> You two would make great
[01:25:53] <+krisk> nikky when was the last time anyone took offense to trollign attmepts in here?
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[01:25:56] < _Digital> wtf!?
[01:26:08] < _Digital> who are you andyhow Damakaru?
[01:26:08] < Damakaru> Since Xlibman?
[01:26:13] < chronomex> randomist
[01:26:16] < Damakaru> _Digital:  RTFT.
[01:26:22] < prime_> _Digital topic
[01:26:22] < Ox40> hehehe
[01:26:31] <+krisk> maybe its a good idea to try something more subtle since everyone in here is leettrollspotter
[01:26:44] < _Digital> since when has the topic ever mattered in here?
[01:26:54] < Nikky> Since never
[01:27:01] < Nikky> I don't blame _Digital for not really looking at it.
[01:27:04] < Netham45> krisk, betweeen Nikky and... well... Nikky, we are good at spotting trolls
[01:27:07] < Damakaru> Since I managed to get my name in it.  :P
[01:27:07] < Ox40> Since 5/14/08 8:45:87
[01:27:12] < _Digital> so I would pay attention to it why?
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[01:27:43] < Damakaru> So less people will pay attention to the topic if it has the word 'Randomist' in it?
[01:27:44] < Nikky> Ubuntu sucks
[01:28:03] < Ox40> -.-
[01:28:05] < Damakaru> Nikky gets a hundred points for that.
[01:28:05] < _Digital> 50 mpg kicks ass
[01:28:08] < Ox40> OH GUYS, I get it...
[01:28:14] < Ox40> We forgot the right tag...
[01:28:18] < Ox40> </troll>
[01:28:27] < Ox40> That should fix\\ixed it...
[01:28:33] < prime_> well i hope that fixes it
[01:28:36] < Damakaru> What about <troll>
[01:28:37] < Ox40> s/\\ixed//
[01:28:39] < prime_> NO
[01:28:44] < Damakaru> Hahaha!
[01:28:46] < prime_> </troll>
[01:28:47] <+krisk> </fail> might be more appropriate
[01:28:49] < prime_> there
[01:28:51] < Ox40> :D
[01:28:54] < Damakaru> *Mu
[01:29:04] < _Digital> we have our village idiot, Ranomist/Damakaru, and the legalistic sherif, Nikky, aka troll
[01:29:18] < Ox40> <conversation topic="calculators" model="83+">
[01:29:26]  * Damakaru is the original idiot.
[01:29:29] < Nikky> I would agree with that statement, _Digital.
[01:29:34] < Damakaru> Or is that Netham45?
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[01:29:37] < Nikky> Except that Randomist isn't the village idiot.
[01:29:38] < _Digital> 68k pwns z80
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[01:29:43] < Damakaru> I forget now, cause there are three.
[01:29:55] <+krisk> bah google image search is not providing me with pictures of cute pierced womenz 
[01:29:57] < Damakaru> Where do we stand?
[01:30:03] < _Digital> fine, we have too many village idiots
[01:30:37] < Netham45> :|
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[01:30:40]  * Damakaru creates channel #idiots
[01:30:43] <@Andy_J> everyone in the village is an idiot
[01:30:51] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Tari] by efneTI85, efneTI81
[01:30:52] < _Digital> I'd like you to refer to "Tahben" as a womenz just to see her murder you
[01:31:07] <+krisk> i wouldnt refer to her as womenz
[01:31:10] <@Andy_J> !qfind several times over
[01:31:11] <@efneTI86> No matches
[01:31:14] <@Andy_J> boo
[01:31:15] <+krisk> maybe old hagz
[01:31:27] < Damakaru> Haha, I has your ops-manship.
[01:31:29] <+krisk> if i felt like being flattering
[01:31:30] < _Digital> !k krisk you need it
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[01:32:34] < Ox40> lol, "I loathe users with a passion, maybe that's the issue."
[01:32:37] < _Digital> if you want to know what being an ass is like, refer to your last two comments
[01:32:45] < _Digital> krisk
[01:32:53] <+krisk> i know
[01:32:58] <+krisk> exception to prove the rule right
[01:33:34] <+krisk> have to give nikky some trolllulz right?
[01:34:11] < _Digital> when you become competent we might pay attention.
[01:34:20] <+krisk> ok then
[01:34:28] <+krisk> http://b5.img.v4.skyrock.com/b5e/antibabypiercing/pics/49439265.jpg
[01:34:29] <+krisk> :O
[01:34:34] < Damakaru> I needs a title.  I got 'The Global Idiot Alliance' right now; what sound better?
[01:34:52] <+krisk> wouldnt idiots be oblivious to the fact that they are such?
[01:34:53] <+Merthsoft> krisk: what about it?
[01:35:01] <+krisk> just :O
[01:35:04] <+krisk> needs longer hair
[01:35:12] < Netham45> TCPA == The Compilation of Prickish Assholes
[01:35:29] <+krisk> labret seems to be in the lip like that though, not just under it
[01:35:40] <+Merthsoft> yeah
[01:35:43] < Damakaru> 'K, Netham45, channel is yours now.
[01:35:43] <+Merthsoft> i was wrong
[01:35:48] <+Merthsoft> i dunno what they're called
[01:35:51] <+krisk> i see them with like a little spike or bar sticking out from just underneath there
[01:36:12] < prime_> krisk: isnt it like 4am where you live?
[01:36:29] <+Merthsoft> krisk: Yeah, I know what you mean
[01:36:30] <+krisk> 3:36
[01:36:30] < Damakaru> :O
[01:36:34] <+krisk> :O
[01:36:34] <+Merthsoft> i just dunno what they're called
[01:36:42] <+krisk> yeah ok
[01:36:47] < Damakaru> Dang, man.
[01:36:59] < Damakaru> Not even the warm milk helps?
[01:37:04] <+TD-Linux> !t Welcome to #TCPA,The Compilation of Prickish A**holes | http://tcpa.calcg.org/ | BrandonW releases UnivOS http://calcg.org/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?t=8417
[01:37:05] -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to #TCPA,The Compilation of Prickish A**holes | http://tcpa.calcg.org/ | BrandonW releases UnivOS http://calcg.org/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?t=8417
[01:37:09] <+TD-Linux> w00t
[01:37:13] <+krisk> we are out of milk today
[01:37:16] <+krisk> which makes krisk angru
[01:37:21] <+krisk> although its krisk'fault
[01:37:29] <+TD-Linux> congrats Netham45, you have been immortalized
[01:37:35] < Damakaru> How many instances of you are there?  :P
[01:37:37] <+krisk> plus i havent tried to get to sleep have i, i was in here :P
[01:37:38] < Netham45> \o/
[01:38:21] < prime_> not being able to sleep is the first sympton of aids
[01:38:21] < Damakaru> I know I have three instances of me shoving around for control of my soul.
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[01:39:51] < Damakaru> Hm, interesting advertisement:  "Accept Christ and get a free XBOX!!!  Click here."
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[01:40:02] <+krisk> this is about a right time to get to sleep but things were getting interesting with the piercing talk and the google image searching
[01:40:02] <+krisk> you have a soul?
[01:40:02] <+krisk> how fortunate
[01:40:22] <+krisk> isnt that from that hoax christian website thing?
[01:41:52] < Damakaru> That's a good thing/
[01:41:58] < Damakaru> -- the ?
[01:42:09]  * Damakaru can't output words today.
[01:42:30] < Netham45> Damakaru, link? I'd gladly pray to jesus for an xbox!
[01:42:38] < Netham45> sincereity is another thing
[01:42:43]  * Damakaru tries again:
[01:43:02] < Damakaru> I was surprised to know I had a soul.
[01:43:11] < Nikky> krisk: How am I a troll?
[01:43:11] < Netham45> I don't think I do
[01:43:19] <+krisk> youre not
[01:43:23] <+krisk> i think someone else said that
[01:43:46] < Nikky> Shouldn't you be sleeping?
[01:43:53] < Nikky> Or like, stalking goth girls or something?
[01:44:07] <+krisk> hmm maybe
[01:44:13] < Damakaru> Or porns?
[01:44:24] <+krisk> theres another day tomorow right?
[01:44:36] < Damakaru> I don't know.
[01:44:44] <+krisk> wel there should be
[01:45:08] < Damakaru> I'm not even sure if there will be another hour.
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[01:45:28] <+krisk> well itll at least become 3:45 because thats what its here
[01:45:29] < Damakaru> But, at least, I'm sure now that there was just another second.
[01:45:53] <+krisk> so you should expect things to exist at least untill its 3:45 over there where you are
[01:46:14] < Damakaru> That will be in...
[01:46:26] < Damakaru> ...I'm too lazy to do the math for that, but it's 8:47 PM CST.
[01:46:35] <+krisk> 7
[01:49:16]  * Damakaru should be on pills.
[01:49:41] <+krisk> why's that?
[01:50:52] < Damakaru> To fix how I am now,
[01:50:56] < Damakaru> - .
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[01:51:35] <+krisk> you seem alright to me
[01:51:48] <+krisk> how are you now?
[01:53:12] <+Merthsoft> go to bed
[01:53:19] < Damakaru> Here on IRC?  Just ask everyone else here for that answer. :P
[01:53:33] < prime_> im going to get LOST
[01:53:37] < prime_> in 6 minutes
[01:54:12] <+krisk> everybody else will probably say lol go to bed stalk gothics faggot or something unoriginal like that
[01:54:17] < Netham45> prime_, torrent? :P
[01:54:21] <+krisk> so i ask you
[01:54:50] <+Merthsoft> lol go to bed stalk gothics faggot
[01:55:00] <+krisk> i didnt ask yet :{
[01:55:10] < prime_> Netham45: tv broadcast
[01:55:11] <+krisk> todays lost is ep12 right?
[01:55:20] < Netham45> prime_, ah.
[01:55:59] < Damakaru> I don't know how I make it without watching TV.  :P
[01:56:55] < Damakaru> I wish I did to burn away a lot of idle time I got.
[01:57:14] <+krisk> dont download movies or shows either?
[01:57:24] < Damakaru> Very, very rarely.
[01:57:52] <+krisk> hmm thats what i do, since they air everything here 6 months to a year after its released in the states
[01:58:44] <+krisk> :O i yawned
[01:59:17] <+krisk> who can change the topic?
[01:59:33] < Damakaru> Aww, I am not in the topic anymore.
[01:59:49] < Damakaru> But that was the most educational part of the topic!  :P
[02:00:14] <+krisk> i must admit it really was the only part that sprung out to me
[02:01:26]  * Damakaru digs around in the QDB.
[02:02:16] <+krisk> i mean, already know im welcome, dont care about the url, and dont have any use for univos so that was all thatwas left
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[02:02:53] <@efneTI92> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
[02:02:53]  * Damakaru groans.
[02:03:00] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Tari] by efneTI89
[02:03:00] < Damakaru> Oh, God, that quote is still there.  x.x
[02:03:10] <+krisk> though i asked about it because im just curious who can and who cant or how that works :P but im gonna head to bed now
[02:03:33] <+krisk> cant be that bad
[02:04:19] < Damakaru> No... it's still pretty bad.  I don't think I'll ever want tacos again.  :P
[02:04:35] <+krisk> :O
[02:04:43] <+krisk> well talk to ya tommorow
[02:04:56]  * Damakaru wavew.
[02:04:58] < Damakaru> -s
[02:04:58] <+krisk> or well later today
[02:04:59] <+krisk> bb
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[02:05:20] < Damakaru> Well, there goes the peacefulness of the channel.
[02:05:29] < Damakaru> Now everything will get all chaotic again.
[02:06:15] < Damakaru> Allow me to rephrase that:
[02:06:44]  * Damakaru sees Nikky, i_cY, and Merthsoft and hides.
[02:07:34] < Damakaru> By the way, why does the tcpa home page say 'fucked by zilog'?
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[02:09:28] < prime_> what page?
[02:09:57] < Damakaru> Oh wait never mind, I had to zoom in - 'fueled by zilog'.  :P
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[02:10:12] < prime_> what page?
[02:10:24] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Tari] by efneTI92
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[02:10:35] < Damakaru> It was in the title.
[02:10:48] < prime_> ahhh
[02:10:53] < prime_> there is a comment in there too
[02:10:53] < prime_> <!-- netham sucks -->
[02:10:59] < Damakaru> Hahah
[02:11:07] < Damakaru> But I'll be quiet
[02:11:14] < Damakaru> 'Cause I know there is probably a few about me, too.
[02:12:09] < Damakaru> "Website containing information about #tcpa, a community IRC channel focusing on TI calculators."
[02:12:28] < Damakaru> I like that, that is good joke.  :
[02:12:29] < Damakaru> :P
[02:13:14] < Damakaru> I'm surprised MV didn't make that fake news already on ticalc
[02:14:52] < Damakaru> So is funny, the part that says "It's like an AOL chatroom without all of that immature bullshit and overhead involved."
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[02:24:53] < Damakaru> Someone say something; I'm making a soliloquy !  Bad thing !
[02:25:57] <+Tari> alas that his brain should be so dry
[02:26:30] <+Tari> like a bundle of flowers, dried under the sky
[02:26:42] <+Tari> it is empty of all that is good
[02:26:50] <+Tari> but it's Randomist, so who cares?
[02:26:58] <+Tari> :D
[02:27:02] < Damakaru> I am quoting this.  :P
[02:28:54] < chronomex> uhhuh
[02:28:59] < Damakaru> Tari:  What do I title this?
[02:29:26] <+Tari> Lament for Randomist's Brain
[02:32:21] < Damakaru> Anyone else got some poetry?
[02:32:23] <+Tari> schweet
[02:32:30] <+Tari> I think I got createVar working
[02:33:27] <+Tari> yup, it works
[02:33:50] <+Tari> although the bit where it shifts the program memory down probably doesn't work correctly
[02:34:24] < Damakaru> I hate when I get songs stuck in my head.
[02:35:01] < Damakaru> End up reaching the point of diminishing returns too fast when I do that.
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[02:41:10] < Damakaru> oooooo
[02:41:16] < Damakaru> the bots are attacking !
[02:41:35] < prime_> what?
[02:41:41] <+Tari> this system's uptime is almost 171 hours
[02:41:43] < chronomex> 19:41:34 -!- mode/#tcpa [+o efneTI85] by efneTI80, efneTI89, efneTI86
[02:41:46] < chronomex> triple force
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[02:42:17] < Damakaru> Mental Stability:  60% | Mental Stability is less than 65%.  Exiting.
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[02:42:24] < _Auron_> figure out how far I walked today
[02:42:31] < _Auron_> figured*
[02:42:35] < prime_> and....?
[02:42:36] < _Auron_> 5.3 miles
[02:42:54] < _Auron_> 2.64 miles to the end of the trail, and then the same distance (obviously) to get back
[02:43:06] < _Auron_> so basically 5.3 miles
[02:43:29] < _Auron_> and to whoever said over 9000cm, that's actually 425,287cm
[02:43:34] < _Auron_> so yeah, definitely over 9000 :P
[02:44:04] < chronomex> over 9000dm!
[02:44:08] < chronomex> but not over 9000m
[02:44:18] < _Auron_> over 9000ft
[02:44:23] < chronomex> true
[02:44:41] < chronomex> over 9000 cubits
[02:45:23] < _Auron_> only half of 9000 of yards
[02:45:41] < _Auron_> 2,499 smoots...?
[02:45:43] < _Auron_> wtf are smoots
[02:46:02] < chronomex> the length of one Mr. Smoot
[02:46:13] < chronomex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot
[02:46:18] < chronomex> duh
[02:46:36] < _Auron_> O.o
[02:46:58] < _Auron_> :x
[02:47:16] < chronomex> Oliver Smoot later became Chairman of the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) and President of the International Organization for Standardization (ISO).
[02:47:22] < chronomex> that's the best bit
[02:47:32] <+Tari> the batman is the best ever unit of measurement
[02:47:48] < chronomex> how big is it?
[02:47:51] <+Tari> 'a historical unit of mass of Persia, weighing 2.97 kg'
[02:48:53] < chronomex> nice
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[02:55:31] < _Auron_> man
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[02:55:51] < _Auron_> I open my window, the alarm does its beeping thing that occurs anytime a door or window opens, and the dogs went insane
[02:56:17] < chronomex> how many dogs do you have?
[02:56:31] <+Tari> none
[02:56:40] < Damakaru> I wish I didn't have mine.
[02:56:44] <+Tari> that's why it's noteworthy
[02:56:58] < chronomex> _Auron_: how many dogs do you have?
[02:57:14] < Damakaru> He was nice as a puppy, but grew up to be a pain.
[02:57:23] < _Auron_> my friend's mother has two dogs
[02:57:35] < _Auron_> they're doxen
[02:57:50] < _Auron_> they bark anytime anyone leaves or enters the house, no matter who it is
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[02:58:07] < Damakaru> I wish mine did that.
[02:58:09] < chronomex> doxen == dachshuhds?
[02:58:19] < _Auron_> chronomex: I don't know?...
[02:58:24] < _Auron_> I don't really know dog breeds
[02:58:38] < _Auron_> they're the weiner dogs and they're annoying as hell
[02:58:39] < chronomex> ok, but that's what you meant?
[02:58:41] < chronomex> right
[02:58:59] < _Auron_> I don't know what dachshushds means
[02:59:12] <+Tari> 'dachshund'
[02:59:17] <+Tari> =='badger dog'
[02:59:22] < _Auron_> okay. :p
[02:59:41] < _Auron_> dog breeds mean nothing to me, I don't like dogs
[02:59:51] <+Tari> 'doxen' appears to be an anglicised version
[03:00:13] <+Tari> of the plural
[03:00:20] < Damakaru> I'm a cat guy... cats are for lazy people like me.  :P
[03:00:21] < _Auron_> I only know that word because of a commercial that made fun of something
[03:00:43] < _Auron_> like some farmer meant to get some kind of farm animal and got a bunch of those dogs instead, bad reception on a cellphone.... yeah a cellphone commercial
[03:00:49] < chronomex> I've never seen it spelled doxen
[03:01:25] < _Auron_> http://o.webring.com/t/Doxen-Dog-Lovers-WebRing
[03:01:41] < _Auron_> http://forums.petlovers.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18349
[03:01:48] < chronomex> okay, fine
[03:02:01] < _Auron_> I'm not crazy. :)
[03:05:41] < _Auron_> temp is nice outside, opening my window was a good idea
[03:09:15] < Damakaru> Does that word say 'crazy' or 'creepy'?
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[03:09:51]  * Tari slaps Damakaru around with a large herring
[03:10:21] < Damakaru> No, I am not being mean
[03:10:28] < Damakaru> I really couldn't see that.  :P
[03:11:22] < Damakaru> But then again, what does it matter - he says he isn't, right?  :(
[03:11:25] < Damakaru> * :)
[03:11:26] < _Digital> wedding photos processed, time to burn to disk for customer and get paid
[03:11:33] < _Auron_> awesome
[03:12:10] < Damakaru> Ooh, _Digital be gettin' money... how much?
[03:12:30] < _Digital> enough
[03:12:49] < Damakaru> lol, I know, none of my business.  :P
[03:13:18] < Damakaru> 'Cause I am not Cricket_B, who would ask this over and over until you cracked.
[03:13:47] < _Digital> I have a legit reason for living with my folks
[03:13:54] < _Auron_> if I wasn't so tired I'd start to work on some graphical thing with sprites in mIRC
[03:13:59] < Damakaru> I do, too.
[03:14:02] < _Auron_> using a specific color palette
[03:14:37] < _Digital> I am paying for FiOS, 15 symmetrical and there is no where I can rent that has internet this fast
[03:14:53] < _Auron_> hmm the PAL one is more vibrant than the NTSC one
[03:15:03] < Damakaru> We can now afford to move, so my mom will have an apartment and my grandma will have one, and I'll just stay at the one of the less bitchier person.
[03:15:24] < _Digital> and we won't have you
[03:15:48] < Damakaru> Hopefully when comes college, there is enough money that I can live in a dorm and hopefully more to myself.  :P
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[03:16:58] < Damakaru> FiOS?  What Operating System is that?
[03:17:10] <+Tari|zzz> one that runs on blankets
[03:17:16] <+Tari|zzz> Fi is for fiber
[03:17:21] < Damakaru> Fiber OS?
[03:17:25] < Damakaru> Is it better than Linux and Windows?
[03:17:30] <+Tari|zzz> yes
[03:17:33] <+Tari|zzz> much warmer
[03:17:52] <+DrDnar> It's HaIR based.
[03:17:53]  * Damakaru detects Tari's sarcasm and decides he better RTFG.
[03:17:59] < _Digital> Fiber Optic Service
[03:18:19] < Damakaru> Oh Fibre intenet.
[03:18:24] < Damakaru> * Internet
[03:19:19] < Damakaru> First one that comes up is Verizon, and they suck, because they only give you five megabits for 50 dollars a month.
[03:19:51] < Damakaru> I would rather stay with my eight-megabit cable.
[03:19:55] < chronomex> FiOS is Verizon's service
[03:20:04] < chronomex> but you have to share it with your neighbors :)
[03:20:41] <+DrDnar> Hmm. If your bandwidth is shared, I wonder if you could sniff their traffic.
[03:20:42] < Damakaru> Well, apparently I don't have that many right now, 'cause I usually always get one megabyte a second.
[03:21:03] < chronomex> mhm
[03:21:08] < Damakaru> Some times I get nine hundred kilobytes.
[03:21:15] < chronomex> DrDnar: only if you can get on the other side of the cable modem
[03:21:19] < Damakaru> And eight hundred if it is really busy.
[03:21:50] < chronomex> uhhuh
[03:22:22] < _Digital> Damakaru, I was paying 50 a month for 15/2, I bumped it up to 75 a month for 15/15
[03:22:37] < prime_> thats so expensive
[03:22:40] < Damakaru> It is
[03:22:54] < Damakaru> We are paying that much now for Internet, cable, and phone service total.
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[03:22:58] <@efneTI92> [Sir_Lewk] Give me a biscuit, I will do science to it
[03:23:20] < _Digital> sorry, 70  a month, but still
[03:24:09] < _Digital> with latency under 30 ms and the fact that I do a lot of stuff to take advantage of the 1.8 MiB/sec up and down, its so worth it
[03:24:47] < prime_> how can a monitor "
[03:24:47] < prime_> Windows Vista 	
[03:24:50] < Damakaru> If I had my own place I would just get Internet.  I don't need cable.
[03:24:59] < prime_> umm
[03:25:01] < Damakaru> Internet and telephone and that is it.
[03:25:43] < prime_> how can i monitor br vista certified?
[03:25:53] <+DrDnar> Dammit, how does Vista always know when a program is an installer? What does MS have against local installs?
[03:26:45] < prime_> vista scares me
[03:26:51] < prime_> really bad
[03:26:52] < Damakaru> Vista is actually pretty nice.
[03:27:04] <+DrDnar> It's both nice, and scary.
[03:27:06] < Damakaru> And that is coming from me, of all people.
[03:27:24] < Damakaru> But I dislike it, simply because it is just too much for me.
[03:27:26] < prime_> XP until i cant use XP anymore
[03:27:29] <+DrDnar> But I need this new computer.
[03:27:52] <+DrDnar> I mananged to get Vista working nearly like 2K.
[03:28:19] < prime_> i swear vista is windows ME part II
[03:28:36] < Damakaru> I don't need beauty, 'cause hell, all I do is browse web, work on stuff, play games, and music, and do artwork and other things.
[03:28:37] < chronomex> hah
[03:28:55] < Damakaru> Why do I need to have all these crazy fancy things just to do that?
[03:28:58] < prime_> its like the coke 2 of coke
[03:29:02] <+DrDnar> The only left for me to change is the login screen, which I would like to be the old 2K box style.
[03:29:24] <+DrDnar> I disabled the themes service. Killed a lot of graphics.
[03:29:29] < Damakaru> I would be happy using even just Ratpoison of TWM.
[03:31:39] <+DrDnar> "control userpasswords2" for a better account mananger.
[03:31:51] < chronomex> wdm is a great window manager
[03:31:58] < chronomex> it's just ugly enough to be adorable
[03:32:06] < chronomex> and it does everything you want without the fuzz
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[03:49:07] < _Auron_> geeze this palette has a lot of colors
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[03:49:32] < _Auron_> I'm used to working with less
[03:49:36] < moko|586> XMonad.  Confusing beyond all hell.
[03:49:37] < moko|586> :)
[03:49:59]  * _Auron_ is using the NES palette, except the entire thing at once
[03:53:17] < _Auron_> !
[03:53:26] < _Auron_> I need to put mspaint on my laptop and run it in wine, that'd make me happy
[03:55:04] < moko|586> why the shit?
[03:55:42] < _Auron_> because I like mspaint, it's great for pixel art
[03:55:56] < _Auron_> and I do not like the mspaint alternatives that are on linux at all
[03:56:46] < moko|586> Gimp is pretty bad.  I mean, how the hell doesn't it have an empty rectangle tool?
[03:57:11] < _Auron_> one mspaint alternative for linux like.. doesn't even map pixels where the pointer of the cursor is at, it maps like 4 pixels below it ><
[03:58:59] < chronomex> that sounds pretty lame
[03:59:04] < V200> oh shooot itz my bed time
[03:59:08] < _Auron_> it is
[03:59:16] < _Auron_> once that happened I quickly uninstalled it
[03:59:24] < _Auron_> that'd drive me completely insane trying to make anything
[04:00:54] < V200> dnt tl my mm bt im nt gng t bd rt nw
[04:01:09] < chronomex> wtf
[04:01:11] < Damakaru> Wow, my brain can actual read that.
[04:01:23] < chronomex> don't talk my mom bitch I'm not going to bed right now ?
[04:01:37] < chronomex> or did she bite you?
[04:01:41] < Damakaru> "Don't tell my mom, but I'm not going to bed right now."
[04:01:50] < chronomex> o
[04:01:53] < _Auron_> ....lol
[04:01:57] < _Auron_> you fail chronomex
[04:01:59] < chronomex> just because you asked, V200, I'm going to tell her
[04:02:08] < Damakaru> But he didn't ask.
[04:02:11] < chronomex> I fail at consonants v_v
[04:02:13] < V200> N!
[04:02:16] < V200> plz
[04:03:14] < Netham45> xD
[04:03:24] < Netham45> chrnmx s fl
[04:03:28] < _Auron_> wow.
[04:03:32] < _Auron_> NES has like.. 2 shades of orange
[04:06:23] < Netham45> lol
[04:06:27] < _Auron_> and 12 shades of green
[04:07:22] < _Auron_> correction, 13 shades
[04:07:30] < chronomex> good to know
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[04:17:51] < prime_> http://www.thingsididlastnight.com/
[04:19:16] < chronomex> no
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[04:23:32] < V200> fun!
[04:23:53] < V200> cat irclog | sed 's/^.*>\(.*\)$/\1/'
[04:24:03] < V200> read it like a story
[04:24:10] < prime_> what does that do?
[04:24:15] < chronomex> haha
[04:24:20] < V200> takes off the usernames
[04:26:11] < prime_> i cant tell if i want to get one big monitor or two normal monitors
[04:26:12]  * Damakaru shivers.
[04:26:17] < Damakaru> Regular expressions scare me.
[04:26:40] < Grue> You scare me.
[04:26:51] < Damakaru> How well am I doing?
[04:27:00] < prime_> what are the implications of running a full screen game on a dual monitor system?
[04:27:05] < prime_> does it stretch it?
[04:27:10] < prime_> does it just run in one
[04:27:21] < Damakaru> I guess that depends on the game.
[04:27:23] < prime_> if so can i use the other one
[04:27:28] < chronomex> depends on the video driver too
[04:27:29] < V200> better:
[04:27:37] < prime_> i mean, saying i am not running in it a window
[04:27:41] < V200> cat irclog | sed 's/^.*\?>\(.*\)$/\1/'
[04:27:55] < prime_> sed V200's mom
[04:29:41] < V200> or tail -F for liveness
[04:30:42] < V200> I wonder if I could read 15 minutes or so and guess who is saying who
[04:31:02] < V200> saying what*
[04:31:03] < prime_> kill -9 V200
[04:35:02] < V200> odd... > weird
[04:35:12] < V200> the question mark doesn't work with sed
[04:35:21] < V200> or it works differently
[04:35:28] < prime_> ?haha?
[04:35:40] < V200> it doesn't make it not greedy
[04:35:50] < prime_> linux?can ? die
[04:37:00] < V200> if you have a > later on a line it'll cut out everything before it instead of just the username
[04:37:15] < chronomex> yes
[04:37:21] < chronomex> should be [^>]*>
[04:37:23] < V200> which is odd... if it doesn't mean what I think it means, why does it still match?
[04:37:24] < chronomex> instead of .*>
[04:37:31] < chronomex> .* is greedy
[04:37:40] < V200> I have a quesiton mark after it
[04:37:47] < chronomex> ?
[04:37:59] < V200> cat irclog | sed 's/^.*\?>\(.*\)$/\1/'
[04:38:15] <@Andy_J> how is that supposed to make it not greedy?
[04:38:16] < chronomex> er, why?
[04:38:20] <@Andy_J> .* is by definition greedy
[04:38:23] < V200> it makes it not greedy in perl
[04:38:25] < chronomex> depends on the RE engine
[04:38:29] < chronomex> you're using sed right?
[04:38:33] < V200> yep
[04:38:35] <@Andy_J> sed is not pcre
[04:38:39] < chronomex> sed != perl
[04:38:42] < chronomex> damnit Andy_J
[04:38:43] <@Andy_J> it's re_format
[04:39:03] < V200> so... how do you make sed not greedy?
[04:39:15] <@Andy_J> use what chronomex said a couple minutes ago
[04:39:19] < chronomex> [^>]*>
[04:39:23] < V200> oh genius
[04:39:27] < chronomex> ...
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[04:39:33] < V200> that only works in this case, though
[04:39:33] < chronomex> it's not genius, it's what everyone does
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[04:39:58] <@Andy_J> I don't see the point in a non-greedy .*
[04:40:10] < V200> I use it all th etime
[04:40:34] < chronomex> Andy_J: it allows programmer laziness and increases readability
[04:40:36] < Nikky> prime_: dual really depends on your driver and setup. Like if you set your computer to use them as one large monitor... it will span both, but normally using windows you can just use one screen like normal.
[04:40:44] <@Andy_J> I fear you may be abusing a quirk of the PCRE engine which is not a very good idea.
[04:40:54] < chronomex> Andy_J: no, that's by design iirc
[04:41:10] <@Andy_J> It's still a quirk because it isn't part of "standard" regexes
[04:41:20] < chronomex> so?
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[04:41:30] <@Andy_J> i.e. man 7 re_format
[04:41:34] < chronomex> it's not a bad thing to use enhancements; that's what they're for
[04:41:51] <@Andy_J> But not to get to the point of not being able to function without them.
[04:41:56] < chronomex> right
[04:43:02] < Damakaru> Yay, for once I am helping people and not getting yelled at by other people.
[04:43:12] < V200> quiet
[04:43:17] < V200> , Damakaru 
[04:43:20] < V200> !
[04:44:24] < chronomex> lol xkcd
[04:44:30] < chronomex> ohhhh this is a good one
[04:44:38] < Damakaru> Of course being yelled at was always my fault for being biased.
[04:44:59] < chronomex> sh
[04:46:50] <@Andy_J> debian-openssl fiasco?
[04:47:03] < chronomex> yes, haven't you heard?
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[04:47:25] <@Andy_J> XD @ ubuntu
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[04:47:27] <@Andy_J> No, I haven't.
[04:47:30] < chronomex> someone accidentally degraded the random number generator back in Sep-2006
[04:47:39] < chronomex> didn't get pushed upstream, so it went undetected
[04:47:48] <@Andy_J> Ha.
[04:47:55] < chronomex> turns out that the only source of randomness came from the PID of the ssl executable
[04:48:02] <@Andy_J> ... :|
[04:48:10] < chronomex> keyspace was reduced to I think 262,144
[04:48:12] <@Andy_J> How do you fuck that up that big?
[04:48:24] < chronomex> it was getting randomness from uninitialized memory
[04:48:28] < chronomex> lint complained
[04:48:46] <@Andy_J> And it took them over a year and a half to find this out why?
[04:49:06] < chronomex> because the upstream didn't know, and the downstream didn't understand why it was there
[04:49:27] < chronomex> dude, it was all over the internet yesterday
[04:49:31] < chronomex> you're so behind
[04:49:35] < Sir_Lewk> ya rly
[04:50:07] <@Andy_J> It'll probably take until tomorrow to makei t to slashdot mailer =\
[04:50:09] < chronomex> anyway, if your keys were made with a Debian-descended ssh/ssl binary (gpg isn't contaminated) after 2006-09-17, you need to fix them
[04:50:17] < Nikky> already did
[04:50:19] < chronomex> it was on /. yesterday actuallly
[04:50:22] <@Andy_J> My key was made by the openssl on OS X
[04:50:28] <@Andy_J> I don't remember seeing it in the mailer =\
[04:50:28] < chronomex> kay, that's good
[04:50:31] < chronomex> ... only one?
[04:50:44] <@Andy_J> My only SSH key, yes.
[04:50:48] <@Andy_J> And my GPG key.
[04:50:48] < chronomex> I've got about a dozen
[04:50:51] < chronomex> aye
[04:50:58] <@Andy_J> I only use one from my laptop to my file server.
[04:51:05] < moko|586> I've a bunch of SSH keys that are fucked.
[04:51:06] <@Andy_J> Everything else I use passwords due to laziness >_>
[04:51:13] < chronomex> haha
[04:51:22] < moko|586> I have to damage control when I get stationary in Seattle.
[04:51:31] < chronomex> moko|586: I've got one, all my others are on other distros or too old to matter :D
[04:51:41] < chronomex> moko|586: when are you landing?
[04:51:49] < moko|586> I've been using Debian-based distros for a long ass time >(
[04:51:56] < moko|586> tomorrow
[04:51:59] < chronomex> sweet
[04:52:01] < moko|586> late as fuck, but tomorrow
[04:52:07] < moko|586> it's 630 miles from wheer I am right now
[04:52:13] < chronomex> mhm
[04:52:38] < moko|586> Andy_J: That's odd, I use SSH keys due to laziness ><
[04:52:46] <@Andy_J> Yeah, I know.
[04:52:51] < chronomex> setting up ssh keys is a bit of work
[04:53:01] <@Andy_J> It's just I don't find myself willing to remember how to use the keygen .
[04:53:16] < Nikky> heh
[04:53:18] <@Andy_J> and spending 2 seconds every time to type my password is "better"
[04:53:19] < Nikky> osx sux
[04:53:21] < chronomex> but if you're truly lazy, you write a shellscript to keygen on every host, then collect and redistribute keys al dente
[04:53:47] < chronomex> that's what I have, but it's only half-done
[04:53:49] < Damakaru> OSX sux cox.  :P
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[04:55:02] < Damakaru> That would make some fine bathroom graffiti.
[04:55:20] < chronomex> !k Damakaru ...
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[04:56:10] < Damakaru> Now, how do you know that I wasn't referencing Cox Communications there?
[04:56:19] < chronomex> ...
[04:56:59] < Nikky> haha
[04:57:00] < Nikky> he's right!
[04:57:29] < chronomex> sucks -> sux  implies  cocks -> cox
[04:57:39] < chronomex> that's a  cks -> x  reduction
[04:57:49] <@Andy_J> I'm with chronomex on this one.
[04:57:58]  * chronomex dances
[04:58:01] < chronomex> Andy_J, dance with me
[04:58:07] <@Andy_J> You should have escaped that x or something.
[04:58:10]  * Andy_J dances
[04:58:15] < Damakaru> To each his own implications.
[04:58:19] < Nikky> I think it was an excellent pun on Damakaru's point
[04:58:34] <@Andy_J> I agree, Nikky. But I agree with chronomex too :p
[04:58:36] < chronomex> I imply failure
[04:59:17] <@Andy_J> shit, 1. I should go to bed and finish this puzzle tomorrow
[04:59:26] <@Andy_J> ciao!
[04:59:44] < chronomex> nice
[04:59:45] < chronomex> 'night
[05:00:39] < Netham45> "<Damakaru> OSX sux cox.  :P"      DON'T ASSOCAITE ME WITH APPLE!
[05:03:59] < _Auron_> okay, I finally organized the NES palette to the best I could
[05:07:57] < _Auron_> 6 color grayscale, 11 color pastel, 6 shades of red/brown, 3 shades of orange, 3 shades of tan/yellow (NES palette doesn't seem to have an actual YELLOW), 10 shades of green, 5 shades of blue, 4 shades of indigo, 3 shades of purple, and then 3 colors that include turquoise and a light purple that I can't naturally add to the rest of the palette in order
[05:09:32] < Nikky> Netham45: You use comcast
[05:09:37] < Nikky> And you're in #windows
[05:09:49] < Netham45> Nikky, so?
[05:10:03] < Netham45> amazing, you did a /whois
[05:10:15] < Nikky> #windows is rotfl
[05:10:17] < Nikky> fail
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[05:10:32] <@efneTI92> [Spengo] so when are we going to ban infolines?
[05:10:33] < Netham45> it is fail
[05:10:39] < Netham45> but I'm too lazy to part it
[05:11:29] < chronomex> that's pretty lazy
[05:12:05] < Nikky> yeah
[05:12:07] < Nikky>  /wc
[05:12:09] < Nikky> srsly
[05:12:16]  * Netham45 cuts the skin around Sir_Lewk's neck, ties some rope around his spine, and lynches him.
[05:12:33] < _Auron_> !k Netham45 Excessive violence.
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[05:12:42] < _Auron_> auto rejoin, fail
[05:12:51] < Netham45> wtf
[05:12:55] < Netham45> this client is annoying
[05:12:58] < Netham45>  can't get autorejoin off
[05:13:10] < Netham45> every time I restart it, it comes back
[05:13:15] < chronomex> mhm
[05:13:20] < chronomex> I believe you
[05:13:21] < _Auron_> maybe you have something set to read-only
[05:13:28] < Sir_Lewk> such gratuitous violence Netham45 
[05:13:31] < Netham45> s/et irc_auto_rejoin 0
[05:14:12] < chronomex> _Auron_: maybe :)
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[05:46:21] < Sir_Lewk> http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/watchkids.shtml <== horrible joke
[05:50:59] < Spengo> (y_-)
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[06:07:15] <@efneTI92> [Leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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[06:30:06] < _Auron_> well shit
[06:30:12] < _Auron_> physically I'm exausted but mentally I'm wide awake
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[06:43:33] <+ports> yo
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[06:46:38] < Sir_Zzzz> snore
[06:47:55] <+ports> sup
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[06:51:51] < Sir_Zzzz> going back to sleep
[06:51:54] < Sir_Zzzz> blah
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[07:07:18] < _Auron_> wow
[07:07:32] < _Auron_> the amount of spam I'm getting just quadrupled
[07:15:04] < glk> I am in Nigeria and chose you to accept $20904994949858
[07:16:16] < _Auron_> and all you need is my bank account #?
[07:16:30] < glk> Yes
[07:16:38] < _Auron_> Wow, that's so awesome. *types it in the box and clicks Submit*
[07:16:44] < glk> Also shoe size
[07:17:30] < glk> I checked with yo  mama and she said it is OK
[07:17:39] < _Auron_> awesome.. wai- *bluescreens*
[07:21:01] < glk> This money is deposited for you in the West Bank of the Nile River.
[07:22:12] < _Auron_> lol
[07:22:24] < Grue> haha
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[07:31:15] <@efneTI92> [KermM] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
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[07:39:01] < Nikky> Netham45: No autorejoin
[07:39:07] < Nikky> Hi KermM!
[07:39:18] <+KermM> hey Nikky
[07:42:44] < _Auron_> I'm actually managing to convert some of my pixel art to the NES palette
[07:43:05] < _Auron_> I don't think the water tile will work though
[07:43:25] < _Auron_> as it has six shades, although the lightest one I can just use white, but still
[07:46:02] < _Auron_> two darkest shades of blue in the NES palette are almost identical -_-
[07:46:23]  * _Auron_ decides to just completely take out one of them
[07:46:37] <+KermM> I hate my life.
[07:46:38] <+KermM> mmm
[07:51:45] < _Auron_> wow, somehow I made that work
[07:52:32] < Nikky> KermM: I'm sure you really don't hate your life.
[08:04:58] <+KermM> Nikky: Nom just selected parts of it
[08:05:00] <+KermM> good point
[08:07:40] <+KermM> for example, the fact that I need to be awake in 3 hours
[08:08:21] < _Auron_> epic tragedy
[08:09:38] < _Auron_> my car's engine blew, I got fired from my job a few weeks after that, and the day before I got fired my mother got assaulted by my step-dad. I live on my own and have bills to pay, but it's hard to get a job without a car.
[08:09:44] < _Auron_> and I just spent the past week being sick with bronchitis
[08:09:46] < _Auron_> stop being emo.
[08:09:55] < _Auron_> having to be awake in 3 hours is nothing
[08:10:04] < _Auron_> unless you wish to further discuss your issues
[08:13:11] <+KermM> lol
[08:13:23] <+KermM> ouch, my life's not that bad at all
[08:14:10] < _Auron_> I left my parents' house because they decided it was in my best interest to pay them rent immediately after I graduated highschool, and they also did not want to provide air conditioning in this texas heat.
[08:14:46] <+KermM> the worst thing in my life is that the girl I've been after for a year and a half isn't ready for a relationship until we finish college
[08:14:51] <+KermM> yeah, I don't hate my life
[08:14:52] < _Auron_> my mother thinks I hate her and my step-dad thinks I stole a bunch of things
[08:14:53] <+KermM> thanks for that
[08:14:56] <+KermM> O.o
[08:15:01] < _Auron_> after I moved out
[08:15:04] < _Auron_> you're welcome
[08:15:47] < _Auron_> somehow I manage to deal with life's.. trickery.
[08:16:16] < _Auron_> whatever doesn't kill me only makes me more resilient
[08:16:35] <+KermM> true story
[08:16:39] <+KermM> good for you
[08:17:07] < _Auron_> my friends say that I'll have a super expensive car and end up running a business and be richer than all of them in like 10 years
[08:17:13] < _Auron_> as a result of karma
[08:17:43] < _Auron_> but I don't really care, I just want to live life without hanging on and 'surviving'
[08:32:31] <+KermM> fair enough
[08:40:30] < _Auron_> this is what I've gotten so far (I didn't make blended tiles as that'd take too long)
[08:40:31] < _Auron_> http://darkauron.dyshost.com/Images/PD_NES.png
[08:40:45] < _Auron_> original: http://darkauron.dyshost.com/Images/PD_scene.gif
[08:42:16] < _Auron_> gets a basic idea
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[09:15:30] < _Auron_> yo krisk
[09:15:36] < _Auron_> I found out how far I walked
[09:15:42] <+krisk> yoyoyo
[09:16:23] < _Auron_> it was 5.3mi (8.3km)
[09:16:32] < _Auron_> er 8.5km*
[09:16:55] <+krisk> cool
[09:17:18] <+krisk> how did you use google maps to measure that?
[09:17:26] < _Auron_> ruler tool
[09:17:26] <@E-J> http://xkcd.com/424/
[09:17:52] < _Auron_> E-J: haha
[09:18:12] <+krisk> hehe
[09:18:31] <+krisk> let me see how far i walk to pool/biljarts center
[09:20:02] <+krisk> ruler tool in photoshop or something?
[09:20:16] < _Auron_> ...no
[09:20:22] < _Auron_> theres a ruler tool in google earth
[09:20:35] <+krisk> oh right i was thinking google maps
[09:20:40] < _Auron_> you can plot points and it'll tell you the distance from one end to the other
[09:21:00] < _Auron_> using the path you created
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[09:25:46] <+krisk> how can you make that path?
[09:25:56] < _Auron_> click on the ruler tool in google earth
[09:26:28] < _Auron_> each click you make creates a node, lines are drawn between nodes, right-click undos the last node
[09:26:41] < _Auron_> line of the path is first node to last node
[09:26:45] <+krisk> oh i see now
[09:26:54] < _Auron_> oh and make sure to go to path tab
[09:27:15] < _Auron_> left click and drag will allow you to pan if you have Mouse Navigation checked
[09:28:38] <+krisk> cool exactly 3 km
[09:37:03] <+krisk> the way back through the city we sometimes take is about 8km
[09:46:20] <+krisk> :O pictures everywhere
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[11:19:30] <@E-J> http://www.sbig.com/award/legault/iss_shuttle.jpg
[11:24:37] < Damakaru> Looks like a foam ball.
[11:25:29] <+KermM> aye
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[12:10:40] < Damakaru> Who's between 25 and 40 in here?
[12:11:34] <@benryves> Why, Damakaru?
[12:12:00] < Damakaru> I gotta ask people age groups questions about school specified on my worksheet and make a class presentation today for a grade, and I forgot yesterday.
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[12:12:21] < Damakaru> * age groups... questions about school
[12:12:48] <@benryves> Oh. Hm.
[12:13:40] <@benryves> I'm too young in body but too old in cynicism, sorry.
[12:14:03] <+krisk> hey there
[12:14:05] <+krisk> im too young too
[12:14:56] < Damakaru> Well, she wants me to ask someone in kindergarten to third grade, someone who has graduated in the past five years, someone between 25 and forty, a parent/grandparent/related, and someone in a care facility.
[12:16:09] <+krisk> i probably should be in a care facility, does tht ocunt? :P
[12:17:01] < Damakaru> No, she means, like, someone already retired.
[12:17:51] < Damakaru> If I do three of these and get three quotes, then I can get an eighty.
[12:18:05] < Damakaru> And my grade is teetering by exactly one point, so I could use that.
[12:18:09] <@benryves> Damakaru: What about drop-outs? :P
[12:19:13] < Damakaru> If you're in the 25-40 range than I think I can make that count
[12:19:56] < Damakaru> Except I'm not sure 'bout the third question here.  :P
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[12:22:23] <@benryves> I have difficulty getting served in pubs, so I don't think that'll work. :P
[12:25:29] < Damakaru> What 'bout you krisk
[12:25:38] <+krisk> ?
[12:25:52] <+krisk> yeah i could drop out of college if you want
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[12:26:15] <@benryves> All the best people do. >_>
[12:26:37] <+krisk> well all the cool people in my course did
[12:27:21] <+krisk> i graduated high school in the past 5 years
[12:27:24] <+krisk> does that count?
[12:27:41] < Damakaru> YEs.
[12:27:42] <@benryves> Hehe, "graduate" high school. :P
[12:27:43] < Damakaru> * yes
[12:28:01] <+krisk> yeah i dont see it that way but i kept hearing people say it like that
[12:28:17] <+krisk> plus im a dutchie
[12:28:20] <@benryves> I believe it's an American thing, krisk.
[12:28:25] <+krisk> yeah
[12:28:41] <+krisk> you have 40 minutes untill lost is done downloading and i go to the gym
[12:30:50] < Damakaru> 'K.  First;  What is the best thing you remember, or think, about school?
[12:31:55] <+krisk> chilling with friends in the cafeteria or alt hangout during breaks or while skipping class
[12:32:42] < Damakaru> K, what's the worst thing you remember about school?
[12:35:15] <+krisk> school stuff itself didnt really have bad things for me but one of said friends/classmates appeared at school one day with half his face paralyzed and died after the surgery
[12:36:19] < Damakaru> What did you realize or learn about school after you graduated?
[12:37:39] <+krisk> that learning things is more important for yourself than school makes it seem
[12:38:22] <+krisk> but that the schooling doesnt teach enough or what you want
[12:38:23] < Damakaru> And the last one:  What advice would you give to someone in school today+
[12:38:29] < Damakaru> * today
[12:41:01] <+krisk> go through the motions/plan you need to get to where you want to be in your education but have and make other things an important and frequent part of your life and who you are
[12:41:24] <+krisk> you dont want to havem issed out on that afterwards
[12:41:39] <+krisk> *either of that
[12:44:13] <+krisk> oh and i would recommend strength training while in school because its a great thing to learn how to take care of yourself and by the time you finish school youll be young and in great physical and metnal shape
[12:44:42] < Damakaru> 'K, got it.
[12:45:04] < Damakaru> Thanks.  
[12:45:06] <+krisk> okidoki
[12:45:37] <+krisk> though i think the gym programs in the us are probably better than here
[12:45:57]  * Damakaru runs off to go write everything, regretting having procrastinating to do this assignment.
[12:46:02] <+krisk> lulz
[12:48:42] < Damakaru> Nooooo, printer don't fails me now!
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[15:14:58] <@efneTI92> [Sir_Lewk] Give me a biscuit, I will do science to it
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[15:31:23] < tr1p1ea> 100 times my friends
[15:31:30] < tr1p1ea> 4000 minus my enemies
[15:32:02] < tr1p1ea> Everyone please give me
[15:32:14] < tr1p1ea> A little piece of their destiny
[15:32:26] < tr1p1ea> (sung to a subsect of a Sonic tune)
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[15:32:58] <@benryves> 'lo tr1p1ea. :)
[15:33:33] < tr1p1ea> hey ben :P
[15:33:37] < tr1p1ea> how goes the codings?
[15:35:00] <@benryves> Not bad, thanks. You?
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[15:36:07] < tr1p1ea> yeah good thanks
[15:36:48] <@benryves> Currently trying to reignite a project I tried to get off the ground about four years ago -- porting BBC BASIC to the TI-83+.
[15:37:36] <+krisk> bbc basic?
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[15:45:26] < Nikky> nice benryves :)
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[15:46:40] <@efneTI92> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[15:48:37] <@benryves> krisk: A programming language originally developed for the BBC Micro (old Acorn computers). It's since been ported to other platforms, and there is a CP/M Z80 version. The difficulty is finding a copy that is suitable for porting -- the CP/M version isn't entirely suitable, and the source is not available.
[15:49:07] <+krisk> ah quite a project then
[15:49:09] <@benryves> It has some nice features, like structured programming and inline assembly.
[15:49:19] <+krisk> neat
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[15:52:05] <@benryves> Even if I don't actually get it to work, the stuff I've been working on to support it (command-line interface, text editor) might be useful anyway. There's a Forth implementation on z80.info that could possibly be hacked in instead, but... who wants to program in Forth? :)
[15:52:17] < Nikky> nobody
[15:52:31] <+krisk> yay for incremental goals
[15:54:04] <@benryves> Nikky: Well, there's FastRPL already, which looks really nice.
[15:54:48] < i_c-Y> wheres glk?
[15:54:53] < i_c-Y> or chronomex ?
[15:54:57] < i_c-Y> (hello everyone)
[15:54:59] < tr1p1ea> they are absent
[15:55:23] <@benryves> 'lo i_c-Y
[15:55:52] < i_c-Y> hi ben
[15:56:58] < i_c-Y> benryves: there is an open source clone of bbc basic.
[15:57:48] < i_c-Y> granted it probably hasnt been updated since gpl2 was new, it exists (called brandy or something)
[15:58:12] < i_c-Y> bbc basic is kinda cool - i got to play around with it a bit a few years ago
[15:58:22] <@benryves> i_c-Y: Aye, but it doesn't run on the Z80 as far as I'm aware.
[15:58:39] < i_c-Y> no it does not.
[16:00:16] < tr1p1ea> anyone here have a DS?
[16:00:31] < i_c-Y> though you can probably get it to work on z80 if you could target pcc to z80
[16:00:52] < tr1p1ea> retargetting anything to z80 is a tall order
[16:01:27] <@benryves> i_c-Y: I've been speaking to the developer of the original Z80 version, who says it should be possible to release a relocatable module of the interpreter (which would be more generic than the existing CP/M version).
[16:01:47] <+krisk> lo i_c-Y
[16:01:54] < i_c-Y> hi krisk 
[16:18:39] <@Andy_J> Why can't java have unsigned data types...
[16:19:12] <+krisk> it cant?
[16:19:31] <@Andy_J> All data types in java are signed except for char, which is unsigned.
[16:19:36] <@Andy_J> Even flipping byte is signed.
[16:19:46] <@benryves> o_O
[16:20:05] <+krisk> dont the wrapper classes provide unsigned things?
[16:20:05] <@Andy_J> So I'm having to re-write this in C to use uint64_t -_-
[16:20:22] <@Andy_J> krisk: Except those aren't primitives which kind of defeats the purpose for what I need to do.
[16:20:33] <@benryves> To be fair, .NET's unsigned types are not CLS compliant.
[16:20:33] <+krisk> ok
[16:20:52] <@benryves> (Apart from byte, which is CLS complaint, and sbyte isn't).
[16:21:12] <@Andy_J> Except I seem to be having problems with strtoll
[16:21:21] <@Andy_J> As in it only works the first time.
[16:21:32] <@Andy_J>   a = strtoll(argv[1], NULL, 10);
[16:21:33] <@Andy_J>   b = strtoll(argv[2], NULL, 10);
[16:21:33] <@Andy_J>   
[16:21:33] <@Andy_J>   printf("a: %d  b: %d \n", a, b);
[16:21:39] <@Andy_J> ./a.out 1 2
[16:21:42] <@Andy_J> a: 1 b: 0
[16:21:43] <@Andy_J> -_-
[16:22:19] <+krisk> argv[2] is correct?
[16:22:29] <@Andy_J> brb
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[16:32:58] <+krisk> using a usb memory stick for additional virtual memory in windwos xp/vista (like readyboost) is pretty silly right? with how slow those things are..
[16:33:57] <@benryves> You need to get a fast one for it to work (it certainly doesn't work with any of mine).
[16:34:21] <@benryves> As far as I'm aware, it doesn't show much of a performance boost in Vista if you have > 1GB RAM anyway.
[16:35:27] <@benryves> As for slow USB mass storage device performance in general; change "Optimise for fast removal" to "Optimise for performance" (a quick way to enfore this is to format all your devices as NTFS, as "Optimise for fast removal" doesn't work with NTFS).
[16:35:42] <+krisk> might be handy for my laptop if i get it fixed (no vista though lulz but im sure there are open source options)
[16:37:24] <+krisk> (1.4ghz celeron 512mb ram 4500rpm hd)
[16:37:34] <@Andy_J> argv[2] should be right
[16:37:37] <+krisk> could use a little boost :P
[16:37:39] <@Andy_J> there's no reason for it to not be right
[16:37:48] <@Andy_J> strtoll is just silly it seems
[16:38:06] <+krisk> i always immedeately System.out.println all possible variables in case im being silly
[16:38:23] <@Andy_J> well that's what I'm doing ...
[16:38:32] <+krisk> ok the
[16:38:41] <@Andy_J> if a is right with argv[1] then b must be right with argv[2]
[16:40:30] < Sir_Lewk> the soundtrack to "Dead Man" is quite possibly the best coding music ever
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[16:40:47] < Sir_Lewk> just Neil Young on a guitar
[16:45:15] <@Andy_J> strtoll is just broken
[16:45:38] <@Andy_J> passing constant strings "1" and "2" still give me 1 and 0
[16:46:03] <@Andy_J> or ... b is broken?!
[16:47:06] <@Andy_J> I hate C.
[16:47:33] < Sir_Lewk> is it still raining out there?
[16:47:38] < Sir_Lewk> oh, wrong chan
[16:48:06] <@Andy_J> oh wait printf just doesn't like it <_<
[16:48:18] <@Andy_J> it doesn't know what to do with a long long >_>
[16:48:27] < Sir_Lewk> lol
[16:48:34] < Sir_Lewk> is that a gnu extension?
[16:49:48] <@Andy_J> ... no
[16:49:54] <@Andy_J> I'm using BSD here kthx.
[16:50:03] <@Andy_J> With GCC, but BSD libraries.
[16:50:33] < Sir_Lewk> ah, whatever
[16:50:44] < Sir_Lewk> I just don't remember long long being in C89
[16:50:54] < Sir_Lewk> brb
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[16:51:50] <@Andy_J> C99
[16:58:36] <@Andy_J> aha!
[16:58:41] <@Andy_J> %lld not just %d
[16:58:55] < nicolas> I was gonna say that
[16:59:06] <@Andy_J> I can read man pages ^^;
[16:59:08] < nicolas> "are you sure %d can show long longs" :p
[16:59:16] < nicolas> not that I knew myself
[16:59:17] <@benryves> Long long is... long?
[16:59:24] < nicolas> 64bit
[16:59:35] < nicolas> no?
[16:59:37] <@Andy_J> uint64_t actually, but it's the same as an unsigned long long
[16:59:47] <@benryves> nicolas: Depends on the compiler, I guess.
[16:59:57] < nicolas> benryves: more than the compiler, on the architecture
[17:00:15] <@Andy_J> yeah, one would think I would just need an int to get 64-bit on my MacBook...
[17:00:42] < nicolas> Andy_J: depends how you're compiling
[17:00:47] <@Andy_J> Maybe if I told gcc to do 64bit compiling
[17:00:54] < nicolas> defaults to 32 I guess
[17:00:59] <@Andy_J> but I'll just use uint64_t to avoid ambiguity
[17:01:03] < nicolas> yeah
[17:01:10] <@benryves> The only guarantee is that long >= int >= short >= char, so they could all be 8-bit for all C cares. :\
[17:01:10] < nicolas> safer
[17:01:31] < nicolas> yup
[17:01:48] <@Andy_J> What if char is 1 bit? :p
[17:01:49] < nicolas> and in that case, you better pray your compilers catches you :P
[17:01:54] <@Andy_J> Kind of need a >= 8 in there
[17:02:09] < nicolas> char is always 8 bit in C, I think
[17:02:09] <@benryves> Andy_J: Is char guaranteed to be at least 8 bit?
[17:02:26] <@Andy_J> I would hope so.
[17:02:27] < nicolas> it's the only guarantee... unless I am mistaken :D
[17:04:24] < nicolas> Andy_J: ahaha, i'm trying to do what you just did and I get "bus error"
[17:04:30] < nicolas> of course, i'm stupid
[17:04:56] < nicolas> second parameter was missing :D
[17:05:49]  * nicolas hugs python
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[17:07:06] <@Andy_J> actually I need %llu since it's unsigned
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[17:08:51] < nicolas> Andy_J: hehe.. indeed ... damn C and its fake types :P
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[17:09:22] < nicolas> well, rather its functions with variable parameters that can't guess the type :P
[17:09:26] <@Andy_J> hmm, is there a way to spit out in binary?
[17:10:24] < nicolas> write a function ?: P
[17:10:31] < Spengo> unsigned? :X
[17:10:34] <@Andy_J> meh
[17:10:42] <@Andy_J> I want something that can do Long.toString(x, 2) >_>
[17:11:34] < Spengo> well it's pretty easy to write it yourself
[17:12:15] < nicolas> a little loop with a >> and an "& 1"
[17:12:50] < Spengo> does >> require iostream?
[17:13:02] < nicolas> no .. >> = shift
[17:13:02] < Spengo> I think he's trying to do it in straight C
[17:13:06] < Spengo> oh right
[17:13:19] <@Andy_J> >> is overloaded for streams in C++
[17:13:20] < Spengo> oh I see what you mean
[17:13:21] < nicolas> >> and << are overloaded operators for streams in C++
[17:13:27]  * Andy_J ninja!
[17:14:36] < Spengo> I was thinking of doing it like int%tens
[17:14:52] < Spengo> or whatever is your long
[17:15:20] < Spengo> and then making each digit a character and sticking them in a character array
[17:20:15] < nicolas>     for(int i = 0; i < 32; i++)
[17:20:15] < nicolas>         printf("%s", ((num<<i)&2147483648)?"1":"0");
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[17:39:37] < V200> I think I'm underpaid
[17:40:08] < V200> Since I've started working here, 7 other people have started here as programmers
[17:40:44] < V200> and 6 of them didn't know anything about php, and very little about html or javascript
[17:41:19] < V200> basically they took the beginners java class and said they could program
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[17:43:49] < V200> now that being said, it doesn't usually take them more than 3 or 4 weeks to be able to write stuff in php without asking for help
[17:44:34] <@benryves> 3 or 4 weeks to learn PHP? o_O
[17:44:34] < V200> but do people really read the job description for something, and look at the requirements, and think to themselves, "Ok, I've heard of that before, I think I'll apply."
[17:45:47] < V200> benryves: yeah... especially since it takes them 1 to 2 weeks to figure out that php is executed on the server
[17:46:17] < V200> I'll draw a picture of it, and they'll still think that the browser is the thing that executes the php
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[17:46:45] <@Andy_J> V200: more like time to find a new job
[17:46:53] <@benryves> And they pass the interview? Sounds like something's wrong with the hiring process :\
[17:47:14] < V200> not too many people apply
[17:47:22] <@Andy_J> There's probably a reason for that.
[17:47:27] < V200> pay...
[17:47:31] < V200> I would imagine
[17:47:33] <@Andy_J> Morons?
[17:48:25] < V200> well actually, on the job descriptions, it just says that pay is negociable (or however you spell that word)
[17:48:32] < V200> negotiable?
[17:49:03] < V200> I like my job, though
[17:49:20] < V200> I could probably make a little more somewhere else, but it's fun here... really mellow
[17:49:52] < V200> plus pretty soon I'll have "Lead " on the front of my job title
[17:50:22] < V200> which will come with a raise... but I don't know how much
[17:50:47] < V200> when I told my boss that a lot of programming jobs start at $13 or $14, he was surprised
[17:50:51] < V200> really surprised
[17:51:50] <@Andy_J> That's rather low.
[17:52:13] <@Andy_J> Even with a low cost of living, that's low
[17:52:16] < V200> well, for a student job in Utah it's a bit higher than average
[17:52:29] < V200> part-time
[17:52:55] < V200> in 2004 I did custodial work for $6.85
[17:53:00] < chronomex> wow
[17:53:15] < chronomex> minimum in washington is like $7.35 I think
[17:53:24] < V200> now custodial jobs pay $7.50ish
[17:53:33] < V200> at BYU
[17:53:36] < chronomex> kay
[17:54:29] < Netham45> minimum wage here is 7.10
[17:54:58] < V200> it has always been pretty low in Utah, but over the next few years it'll be going up like $2
[17:55:06] < V200> there's a chart somewhere that talks about it
[17:55:08] < chronomex> nice, what is it now?
[17:55:16] < V200> off the top of my head I don't know
[17:55:17] < V200> let me check
[17:55:19] < chronomex> ok
[17:55:54] < V200> right now it's $5.85
[17:56:02] < V200> on july 24th it'll be 6.55
[17:56:10] < V200> and next year on july 24th it'll be 7.25
[17:56:18] < chronomex> aye
[17:56:26] < V200> probably the federal minimum wage
[17:56:31] < V200> texas is the exact same
[17:56:32] < chronomex> yes
[18:03:29] < V200> yes.  awesome.
[18:03:43] < V200> on the staff page it labels the room number where people work as "Office: "
[18:03:54] < V200> and I'm the only programmer with that data
[18:04:01] < V200> so it looks like I have an office
[18:04:12] < V200> http://risk.byu.edu/staff.php
[18:04:20] <@Andy_J> I get $8.50 an hour
[18:04:23] < V200> I'm 3/4 of the way down
[18:06:09] < chronomex> name
[18:06:20] < chronomex> ah
[18:06:22] < chronomex> barrett
[18:06:26] < V200> v200
[18:07:27] < chronomex> I make $10.25
[18:07:37] < chronomex> data entry and taking walks
[18:07:52] < V200> hey, that's exactly how much I make
[18:07:53] < chronomex> completely flexible hours
[18:07:55] < chronomex> nice
[18:08:05] < chronomex> but you have a more interesting job :)
[18:10:22] < V200> I have to walk sometimes
[18:10:37] < V200> to a building in our same department on the opposite side of campus
[18:10:55] < V200> less so now, though... we hired someone whos primary job is tech support
[18:10:59] < chronomex> mmkay
[18:11:06] < V200> but when he's not doing that he'll be programming
[18:11:13] < chronomex> my job is inspecting maintenance workers' work
[18:11:20] < V200> haha
[18:11:28] < V200> I don't know why that sounds funny
[18:11:30] < V200> but it does
[18:11:34] < chronomex> so I basically walk around with a clipboard and say "good ... bad ... " etc
[18:11:48] < chronomex> and the other half is data entry for our weekly inventory
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[18:17:32] < V200> we should start a company so that we all get better jobs
[18:18:25] < JoelS> Hmm?
[18:18:35] < V200> ah yes, funded by JoelS
[18:18:36] <@Andy_J> I think I have prime_bits figured out :p
[18:18:50] <@Andy_J> Needs more testing.
[18:19:46] < JoelS> Cpool!!!! make sure its efficient!
[18:20:01] <@Andy_J> It is. .005s for the large example on the page.
[18:20:17] < JoelS> Haha "computer time" has no reference to "efficiency"
[18:20:25] <@Andy_J> I know
[18:20:59] <@Andy_J> But it can't be that horribly bad <_<
[18:22:33] < JoelS> Sure it could :D
[18:22:56] <@Andy_J> I went through about 4 different ways of trying to do it, finally figured out "The Right Way" (I think), and then found out that Java can't do it.
[18:23:01] <@Andy_J> So I spent today re-writing it in C.
[18:23:10] < chronomex> why can't java do it?
[18:23:11] <@Andy_J> Damn Java for not having unsigned types.
[18:23:36] < chronomex> it doesn't? that's insane
[18:23:48] <@Andy_J> The only places I can see huge improvements is my factorial and gcd stuff <_<
[18:23:52] <@Andy_J> And the GCD might not be needed in C...
[18:23:59] <@Andy_J> I was just trying to keep stuff sane for Java
[18:24:07] <@Andy_J> But it didn't work out.
[18:24:25] < chronomex> figures
[18:24:29] < chronomex> java's not very sane
[18:24:40] < chronomex> ;)
[18:25:04] <@Andy_J> If Java would have a longer long or a long long then it would work... But nope.
[18:25:06] <@Andy_J> Bleh.
[18:26:51] < JoelS> Andy_J: this line is important "Your implementation should have a running time faster than O(n), where n is b - a. "
[18:27:03] <@Andy_J> I know.
[18:27:14] <@Andy_J> That means you check every number between a and b. I do not.
[18:27:37] <@Andy_J> However I will make a test program that does so I can verify that my program is indeed working correctly.
[18:28:24] <@Andy_J> I will say that I use combinations to do the hard part (which is where the factorial comes in)
[18:28:52] <@Andy_J> Still working on it, but I have the basic way to do it down
[18:30:30] < V200> hmmmmm... faster than constant big-O sounds difficult
[18:30:34] < V200> sorry
[18:30:39] < V200> s/constant/n
[18:30:43] <@Andy_J> It isn't constant...
[18:30:49] <@Andy_J> Uh.
[18:30:53] <@Andy_J> Ever hear of O(log n) ?
[18:30:57] < V200> yes
[18:31:01] <@Andy_J> log n < n
[18:31:07] < V200> but I'm referring to that problem
[18:31:21] < JoelS> V200: its not difficult.... 
[18:31:31] <@Andy_J> It's not hard at all when you use a whiteboard to work out a few terms by hand.
[18:31:35] < V200> ignoring the even numbers would still be O(n)
[18:31:46] <@Andy_J> You don't ignore even numbers.
[18:31:52] <@Andy_J> Even numbers can have an odd number of '1' bits.
[18:32:01] < V200> ignoring the even number of 1s
[18:33:01] <@Andy_J> At a glance, I think I'm doing O(log n)
[18:33:05] <@Andy_J> Or thereabouts.
[18:34:20] <@Andy_J> oh right I'm not doing proper factorial anymore.
[18:34:32] <@Andy_J> That means the gcd and isPrime would be the long runners
[18:34:45] < V200> 1 1 2 1 2 2 3 1 2 2 3 2 3 3 4 1.......... would I be getting closer if I were to find a pattern there? (that's 1 to 10000)
[18:35:08] < V200> (1 to 16)
[18:36:20] <@Andy_J> I'm not going to disclose how exactly my program works.
[18:36:36] <@Andy_J> I think I follow you but I didn't do that.
[18:36:42] <@Andy_J> I just did the powers of two at first
[18:37:25] <@Andy_J> This drove me crazy last night until I finally morphed it enough at about 1:15 laying in bed trying to fall sleep to have it click. -_-
[18:37:52] < Nikky> nerd
[18:37:54] < Nikky> hava sucks
[18:38:11] <@Andy_J> Hava?
[18:38:18] < Nikky> it's like java
[18:38:20]  * Andy_J looks at bit.c open in Smultron
[18:38:31]  * Andy_J sees no Java here.
[18:38:42] < V200> I know I could do it with O(n) complexity, but this will actually require some thought...
[18:38:44] < V200> boring
[18:38:57] <@Andy_J> O(n) is easy
[18:39:07] <@benryves> All programming languages suck, Nikky. Some just happen to suck less than others.
[18:39:10] <@Andy_J> P() is easy.
[18:39:14] < Nikky> BASIC sucks
[18:41:25] < V200> Andy_J: could you give me a good number range that might enlighten me if I were to do it by hand?
[18:42:01] <@Andy_J> I did it for the powers of two and figured out how many combinations of odd numbers of 1's there were under it
[18:42:16] <@Andy_J> did that for a few terms and then looked for a definition of that pattern
[18:42:26] <@Andy_J> but I think that kind of is unrelated to the end result
[18:42:31] <@Andy_J> My thought process for it was weird
[18:43:11] < V200> so... 1,4... 1,8... 1,16.... 1,32...?
[18:44:19] <@Andy_J> My attention is divided among too many different things at the moment
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[18:50:14] < V200> I wonder if the best solution is just prime_bits(1,b) - prime_bits(1,a)
[18:51:02] <@Andy_J> Perhaps.
[18:51:22] < V200> do you take that approach or do you start at a and work up to b? or will you not say?
[18:56:41] <@Andy_J> I deal directly with the number of numbers less than or equal to a given number and use that
[19:02:16] < V200> 3 6 11 20.... 3 5 9..... 2 4.... 2
[19:03:06] < V200> (from 1 4 10 21 64)
[19:03:18] < V200> 21 41*
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[19:04:02] < V200> so far none of my pattern predictions have worked, and going to 128 by hand will take forever :(
[19:04:19] < _Digital> what are you trying to do
[19:04:28] < _Digital> with teh pattern prediction that is
[19:04:37] < V200> http://www.facebook.com/jobs_puzzles/index.php?puzzle_id=5
[19:06:11] < _Digital> prime number calculation is fun
[19:09:03] <@Andy_J> I just googled the pattern...
[19:10:15] < _Digital> ah the torture of the Santa Anna Winds
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[19:12:02] < _Digital> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_wind
[19:12:39] < _Digital> they are good for blowing LA's smog back to them though...
[19:12:49] < _Digital> get a day of clear skies perfect for photography
[19:30:25] < V200> when I google    pattern "1 4 10 21 41" I get 1 result, and in the result, the number after 41 is 78148283547
[19:30:33] < V200> maybe I miscounted
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[19:34:16] < V200> 1 is not considered prime, right?
[19:34:42] <@benryves> Not usually, no.
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[19:35:33] < prime_> FIGHT FIGHT
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[19:35:45] < prime_> BOT FIGHT
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[19:36:18] < prime_> Andy_J
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[19:36:26] < prime_> mokomull
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[19:36:31] < prime_> aardvarq
[19:36:40] < prime_> Grue
[19:36:44] <+krisk> lulz
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[19:36:56] < prime_> fix your bots
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[19:38:13] <@efneTI92> [Spengo] so when are we going to ban infolines?
[19:38:15] <@efneTI92> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
[19:38:18] <@efneTI92> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
[19:38:19] <@efneTI92> [KermM] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
[19:38:22] <@efneTI92> [Grue] It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
[19:38:23] <@efneTI92> [Ox40] File Deletion is Murder!
[19:38:25] < prime_> LOLOLOLOLOLOL
[19:38:25] <@efneTI92> [chronomex] Come with me to the dork side of the force ...
[19:38:43] < prime_> wow i didnt know chronomex had one
[19:38:49] < prime_> he never quits
[19:40:56] < Nikky> ?
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[19:41:20] < prime_> you might want to take ops
[19:41:33] < Nikky> Why?
[19:41:34] < chronomex> prime_: what do I have?
[19:41:38] < prime_> but it looks likes its over anyways
[19:41:38] < Nikky> I think he means infoline
[19:41:41] < chronomex> ok
[19:41:45] < prime_> chronomex an infoline
[19:41:49] < chronomex> right
[19:41:53] < chronomex> I never really quit
[19:41:58] < Nikky> me neither
[19:41:59] < Nikky> :D
[19:42:09] < chronomex> mine is a rare sight
[19:42:14] < chronomex> yours doesn't exist
[19:42:21] < Nikky> this is true
[19:42:23] < Nikky> :(
[19:42:27] < prime_> i turn off computers when i am not using them
[19:42:53] < chronomex> I run irssi on a friend's VM which lives in a windowless building downtown
[19:45:39] < Nikky> ya
[19:46:47] < chronomex> I turn off computers when I'm not using them also
[19:48:04] < Nikky> me too!
[19:48:07] < Andy_J> prime_: I have no bots here.
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[19:48:28] < prime_> yea i know
[19:48:40] < prime_> but just for stibility.. do that
[19:48:54] <@Andy_J> I can't do anything about bots I have no control over!
[19:49:14] <@Andy_J> (Well, that's a lie. I can prevent efneTI81 from being here by turning its computer off, but this client runs on the same computer.)
[19:49:33] < chronomex> who owns 81?
[19:49:46] < prime_> efneTI81 of aardvarq
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[19:49:56] <@Andy_J> all the efneTI's are aardy's
[19:49:59] < chronomex> ok
[19:50:04] <@Andy_J> 81 just so happens to be running on my box.
[19:50:22] <@Andy_J> I have physical control over it but as far as the bot is concerned I'm just an op.
[19:50:37] <@Andy_J> And it would be abusive of me to use root to give myself power over it.
[19:51:31] < prime_> has cricket messaged you lately?
[19:51:38] <@Andy_J> No.
[19:51:49] < chronomex> he's off his period
[19:51:56]  * chronomex ducks
[19:53:20]  * prime_ stabs everybody
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[19:53:38] < chronomex> ha! I ducked
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[19:54:17] < prime_> you're just mad you were stabbed
[19:54:29] < chronomex> lol
[19:54:49] < Nikky> lol Andy_J has no botz
[19:54:50] < V200> 78 == prime_bits(1,128) according to my hand
[19:54:50] < Nikky> fail
[19:55:05] < V200> I'm finding many more results if I google the difference of the differences
[19:55:16] < Nikky> Hi V200!
[19:55:23] < Nikky> How's middle school?
[19:55:23] < V200> 1,3,6,11,20,37
[19:55:27] < V200> elementary
[19:55:33] < V200> 4th grade
[19:55:49] < prime_> so do you like girls yet?
[19:55:52] < V200> gross
[19:55:53] < V200> cooties
[19:55:56] < chronomex> icko
[19:55:57] <@Andy_J> That looks like the pattern I originally had
[19:56:15] <@Andy_J> But I don't htink that relates to the final answer much anymore
[19:56:28] < V200> in 4 of the 5 google entries, the next number in the result is 70
[19:56:34] < V200> in the pattern*
[19:56:51] < chronomex> isn't there a website with integer patterns?
[19:56:55] <@Andy_J> chronomex: there is
[19:57:05] <@Andy_J> V200: there are indeed two similar patterns
[19:57:25] <@Andy_J> one is 2^(n)+n or something, the other is a funky inverse binomial
[19:57:40] < prime_> binomial expansion!
[19:57:41] < V200> but not used in your solution?
[19:57:57] < prime_> pascals triangle!
[19:58:05] <@Andy_J> This sequence isn't needed once it clicks what is going on.
[20:00:01] < V200> the 3 previous numbers are the next number?
[20:00:04] < V200> summed
[20:00:11] < V200> nope
[20:01:09] < V200> Andy_J: should I focus on the difference between the prime_bits, or the difference of the difference?
[20:01:36] < V200> n^n+1
[20:01:39] < V200> thar we go
[20:01:52] < V200> just kidding
[20:02:00] < V200> n^2+1
[20:02:08] < V200> still no... I'm an idiot
[20:06:03] < V200> ahah!
[20:06:21] < V200> n=n*2-an increasing number
[20:06:37] < V200> Andy_J: ?
[20:06:41] <@Andy_J> I hinted at something earlier
[20:09:44] < V200> n=n*2-i++
[20:09:55] < V200> is there a way to do that for a high number without going through all of them?
[20:10:00]  * _Digital goes off to chillax and play some burnout paradise
[20:10:31] < V200> I guess that is O(log n) anyway
[20:10:36] < V200> but obviously that's not the solution
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[20:10:52] <@efneTI92> [DSP_Lord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[20:11:14] < V200> oh nooooooo!
[20:11:19] < V200> where n is b-a
[20:11:33] < V200> n isn't b, it's b-a
[20:13:03] < V200> is prime_bits(9999999999,10000000000) should be just as fast as prime_bits(1,2) (or about the same)
[20:13:08] < V200> the way I'm approaching this, it wouldn't
[20:16:46] <@Andy_J> There is such a way.
[20:16:54] <@Andy_J> I think mine actually runs in constant time O_o
[20:17:13] <@Andy_J> Constant time other than gcd.
[20:17:18] < V200> well yeah, it should
[20:17:25] < V200> considering that subtraction is constant
[20:17:33] <@Andy_J> Constant time as in O(1)
[20:18:00] <@Andy_J> so if you give it 1 and 9999999999999999999...9 or 4 and 10 it takes the same amount of time
[20:26:24] < V200> wowwzers... I just realized that I'm approaching this all wrong
[20:26:28] < V200> this is actually really simple
[20:26:42] < Nikky> Lakers suck
[20:27:18] < V200> in fact it's so simple that this wouldn't even be fun to program... just a lot of nitty gritty stuff
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[20:31:21] < V200> Nikky: do the sonics still exist?
[20:31:41] < chronomex> V200: yes
[20:32:34] < V200> when's the last time they won a championship?
[20:32:50] < chronomex> why the hell would I know?
[20:33:34] < V200> I'm trying to make fun of Nikky
[20:33:50] < chronomex> ok
[20:33:59] < chronomex> why not me?
[20:34:04] <@Andy_J> it isn't a lot, and it isn't nitty-gritty
[20:34:07] < chronomex> I live in the same city >.>
[20:34:12]  * Tari_ wonders whatever happened to the 'Please don't feed the trolls' provision in the topic
[20:34:59] < chronomex> someone took it out
[20:35:10] <+Tari_> well..
[20:35:25] < V200> factorials for each prime number up to 64 (or higher if you want) and keeping track of stuff
[20:35:47] <@Andy_J> not factorials
[20:38:41] < V200> well, it depends on how you think about it
[20:38:44] < V200> or the pascal thingy
[20:39:54] <@Andy_J> Pascal's triangle, yes.
[20:39:58] <@Andy_J> or combinations.
[20:41:27] < V200> this actually reminds me a lot of the last coding project I was gonna do until I just came up with the algorithm in my head and decided that I didn't have to prove anything with code
[20:41:43] < V200> let me see if I can find this one
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[20:42:41] < V200> meh... it was "given n, find the nth combination of the numbers 1-9 (using all, reusing none)"
[20:42:45] < V200> or maybe it was the other way around
[20:43:06] < V200> so if you were given 1, it would return 123456789
[20:43:31] < V200> 2 would be 123456798
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[20:44:09] < V200> http://cplus.about.com/od/programmingchallenges/a/challenge1.htm
[20:44:10] < V200> there it is
[20:49:40] < prime_> no nom nom
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[20:50:16] <@efneTI92> [Tyler2] I no longer speak fluent dialup.
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[20:50:55] < Damakaru> Any of you guys on Suddenlink?
[20:53:08] <+krisk> how did that assignment work out for you Randomist?
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[21:03:51] < i_c-Y> fail!
[21:03:58] <+krisk> ?
[21:04:03] <+patz2009> Failure? Where?
[21:05:21]  * i_c-Y points to ~Isarot@74.196.218.158
[21:05:51] <+krisk> i dont get it
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[21:06:12] <+krisk> yeah i saw that
[21:06:12] <+krisk> he failed his assignment?
[21:06:16]  * i_c-Y changes to pointing at krisk 
[21:06:32] <+patz2009> fail!
[21:06:52] <+krisk> is this like sherades but over irc?
[21:07:02] < i_c-Y> FAIL *pf; pf = &krisk; 
[21:07:03] < Damakaru> krisk:  I thought I was going to get a seventy on it, but I got a ninety.
[21:07:08] <+krisk> a nice
[21:08:13] <+krisk> fail points to address of krisk?
[21:08:26] <+patz2009> yeah
[21:08:41] <+krisk> isnt pointing kind of rude?
[21:09:01] <+patz2009> Not if you use pointers to do it for you.
[21:11:11] < Netham45> stop using your loyal pointers like that
[21:11:25] < Netham45> they'll unionize
[21:11:37] <+patz2009> We're giving them jobs so they can support their families
[21:12:17] <+patz2009> Unless the mexicans come and steal them, that is.
[21:12:29] < Netham45> >.>
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[21:13:13] <@efneTI92> [_Auron_] We called it Sin.
[21:13:52] <+krisk> hi
[21:14:02] < Netham45> heya
[21:14:04] < _Auron_> yeah um
[21:14:09] < _Auron_> yesterday's workout kicked my ass
[21:14:12] < _Auron_> I definitely feel it today
[21:14:19] <+krisk> cool
[21:14:28] <+krisk> eat some protein every 2-3 hours
[21:14:38] < Netham45> _Auron_, that statement could be mis-interperted...
[21:14:40] < _Auron_> not an option atm
[21:14:40] < Netham45> :P
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[21:15:00] < _Auron_> Netham45: By morons
[21:15:06] <+krisk> still ill?
[21:15:15] < _Auron_> krisk: I wake up ill every day
[21:15:22] < Netham45> _Auron_, there are more of us than you know.
[21:15:27] < _Auron_> I had trouble sleeping last night, woke up an hour ago
[21:15:32] <+krisk> ah
[21:15:33] < i_c-Y> the protein statement could also be misinterpreted given _Auron_ 's sexual orientation.
[21:15:34] < _Auron_> I coughed up a giant blob of phlegm
[21:15:44] < _Auron_> i_c-Y: that's even more vague
[21:16:01] < _Auron_> not in the mood for gay jokes right now
[21:16:21] < Netham45> i_c-Y, >.>
[21:16:37] < i_c-Y> hence why i didn't make the joke- just alerted the population that it could be made
[21:16:56] < Netham45> i_c-Y, you lowered yourself to my level.
[21:17:34] < _Auron_> i_c-Y: while that would be a nice comeback, the idea wouldn't come to mind unless someone mentioned it, and you did.
[21:17:37] < _Auron_> therefore you did make the joke
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[21:31:26] <+krisk> anyone know a good place to find rave music?
[21:32:05] < i_c-Y> a rave
[21:32:14] <+krisk> to download and listen
[21:33:36] < _Auron_> torrents
[21:34:35] < _Auron_> krisk: this kind of music?: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZPaMdxC6CQI
[21:35:06] <+krisk> sort of
[21:35:33] < _Auron_> look up hardstyle torrents
[21:35:42] < _Auron_> you'll probably find some stuff you'll like
[21:36:07] <+krisk> probably
[21:36:31] <+krisk> trying to find something darker though
[21:37:15] <+krisk> i like darkpsy but trying to find something like that with more of a slower baseline like in that vid
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[21:37:54] <@efneTI92> [IDL^LordM] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[21:38:10] < _Auron_> http://youtube.com/watch?v=DpIAcRkbS6Q
[21:38:28] <+krisk> something like this: http://www.tube8.com/amateur/sandra/8750/
[21:38:31] <+krisk> oops
[21:38:32] <+krisk> lulz
[21:38:43] <+krisk> thats.. nsfw
[21:38:53] <+krisk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxQkgx2JX6w
[21:38:55] <+krisk> something like that
[21:39:05] < chronomex> haha
[21:39:16] <+krisk> if that tube8 link is any good let me know i havent checked it yet
[21:39:27] < _Auron_> .............lol
[21:39:51] < i_c-Y> !k krisk we have children here! 
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[21:40:03] < chronomex> i_c-Y: like who?
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[21:40:12] < _Auron_> V200 is only 9
[21:40:20] < _Auron_> :P
[21:40:24] < i_c-Y> dunno. but think of the children, chronomex. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!
[21:40:27] <+krisk> i ctrlcv-ed too quickly
[21:40:31] < i_c-Y> YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!
[21:40:39] <+krisk> too bad your kick doesnt fix anything
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[21:40:55] <+krisk> so anyway, something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxQkgx2JX6w
[21:41:13] <+krisk> trying to figure out what genre/style it is
[21:41:46] <+krisk> could very well be slow-ish goa but i hope its a genre with a lot like that because goa is rather diverse
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[21:47:27] <+krisk> also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-xS7ELX1Gc&feature=related
[21:48:47] <+krisk> maybe its just anything only the djs are playing it at a nice bpm in those vids
[21:49:39] < _Auron_> hardstyle tends to have faster bpm
[21:49:53] <+krisk> yeah so do darkpsy and goa
[21:50:02] <+krisk> which can also be awesome
[21:50:19] <+krisk> but the bass in those vids is really nice
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[21:51:11] <+krisk> maybe i can just take any darpsy stream and play the lower hz range in slowmotion with some tool somehow
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[21:53:55] <+krisk> whoah @ google
[21:54:11] <+krisk> how appropriate
[21:54:53] < _Auron_> lmao
[22:00:32]  * Damakar1 goes away to go dump his boot code.
[22:01:08] <+krisk> hmm virtualdj..
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[22:03:25] < Damakar1> Are those packages that are on the calculator really ZIP archives?
[22:06:40] <+TD-Linux> hmm? most likely ot
[22:06:40] <+TD-Linux> *not
[22:06:40] < Damakar1> TiLP says that.
[22:06:40] < i_c-Y> link?
[22:06:40] < Damakar1> Um...
[22:06:42]  * Damakar1 takes a screenshot.
[22:06:59] < chronomex> they're .89Y files, which are sometimes used for compressed files
[22:07:05] < Damakar1> Oh.
[22:07:07] < chronomex> OTH is the official TIOS type
[22:07:20] < chronomex> for OTHer
[22:07:48] < glk> My url has many TI-89 files at http://grahamkendall.net/ in MATH
[22:08:01] < chronomex> glk: not asking for that
[22:08:48] < Damakar1> Isn't there some compressor or something to make those compressed archives and open them on the calc?
[22:08:49] < chronomex> My url has many TI-Calculator files at http://www.ticalc.org/pub/
[22:09:02] < chronomex> Damakar1: yes, there are on-calc unzip programs
[22:09:07] < i_c-Y> hm
[22:09:18] < i_c-Y> glk: do you have a comparison between the 48 series calcs?
[22:09:43] < i_c-Y> i can't find one on http://grahamkendall.net/ 
[22:09:55] < chronomex> names would help ...
[22:11:11] < i_c-Y> who is that directed to, chronomex ?
[22:11:32] < glk> I have HP48GX  HP49G   HP49G+  
[22:11:45] < i_c-Y> ok, and which one would you reccomend?
[22:11:48] < glk> HP49G was a failure mechanically
[22:12:00] <+ports> my documents, mp3s, desktop, outlook, fonts, resources, start menu, winamp skins
[22:12:04] < glk> HP50 is latest and supposedly good
[22:12:06] < i_c-Y> id like to get one to be cheap too.
[22:12:09] <+ports> those are all the things ive backed up so far... what am i missing?
[22:12:21] < _Auron_> my sore throat is slowly going away, and I didn't eat any spicy stuff or take mucinex
[22:12:21] < glk> I ahve vast HP newsgroup data back 10 years
[22:12:52] < glk> You can read data on HP50 there
[22:13:05] < i_c-Y> porn
[22:13:09] < i_c-Y> ports: porn.
[22:13:18] <+ports> i dont have any porn
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[22:14:07] <+ports> www.redtube.com, and i have cinemax... dont need porn on my computer
[22:14:20] < glk> The HP has functions not on TI
[22:14:49] <+krisk> only redtube?
[22:16:07] <+ports> theres like 4000 videos there
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[22:16:28] <+ports> thats a 10 year supply
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[22:40:19] <+ports> i_c-Y, what else
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[22:52:15] <@efneTI92> [Spengo\__] so when are we going to ban infolines?
[22:52:23] < Spengo\__> yo
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[22:56:20] < i_c-Y> sup cracka
[22:57:05] < Damakaru> Aw, I was happy and perky all day today, for one, up until now.  Then it all just suddenly died.
[22:57:12] < Damakaru> * for once
[22:57:30] < Spengo\__> where does cracker come from anyways
[22:57:46] < Damakaru> For white guys?
[22:57:52] < Spengo\__> nigger comes from negro, chink comes from the way their eyes look I guess, I don't know where spic comes from either
[22:57:52] < Damakaru> Saltines?
[22:58:11] < Spengo\__> saltines? O_o
[22:58:23] < Damakaru> Yeah, saltine crackers.  I think.
[22:58:24] < Spengo\__> weirdest racial slur ever
[22:58:40] < Spengo\__> so what's spic come from then?
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[22:59:08] <+ports> hispanic
[22:59:13] < Spengo\__> oh I see
[22:59:28] < Spengo\__> I didn't connect that before
[22:59:47] < Damakaru> I haven't heard that one before.  People here making slurs just say things like 'wetback.'
[23:00:01] < Spengo\__> I guess because I was always thinking "mexian" => "spic" ...?
[23:00:04] <+ports> wetback isnt a good one
[23:00:15] < Spengo\__> what is a wetback
[23:00:16] <+ports> you can play it off as a different word if you get caught
[23:00:18] < Spengo\__> I've never heard that
[23:00:41] < Spengo\__> sounds like hatin' on scuba divers or something
[23:00:47] < _Digital> http://www.urbandictionary.com
[23:01:02] < Spengo\__> urban dictionary is full of much fail
[23:01:02] <+ports> coming across the border ribers
[23:01:14] < Damakaru> What ports said.
[23:01:23] < Spengo\__> ok
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[23:01:41] <+ports> river
[23:01:59] < Spengo\__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_slur this page is funny
[23:03:02] <+ports> Spengo\__, help me backup
[23:03:17] <+ports> my documents, mp3s, desktop, outlook, fonts, resources, start menu, winamp skins
[23:03:25] <+ports> those are all the things ive backed up so far... what am i missing?
[23:03:29] < Spengo\__> wha?
[23:03:31] < Spengo\__> warez
[23:03:46] <+ports> got it i think
[23:03:52] < Spengo\__> porn
[23:04:07] <+ports> no
[23:04:27] < Spengo\__> I assume mp3s includes all music formats
[23:04:51] < Damakaru> I just back up the whole Application Data folder.
[23:04:56] <+ports> Damakaru, why?
[23:05:05] < Spengo\__> I never bother
[23:05:09] < Spengo\__> I just reinstall stuff
[23:05:14] < Damakaru> That way there is no chance that I will accidentally forget something.
[23:05:26] < Damakaru> I do that a lot on Windows.
[23:05:39] < Damakaru> And on Linux, I keep forgetting to back up my 'www' folder.  x.x
[23:05:42] < Spengo\__> on *nix I don't need to back up
[23:05:52] < prime_> lol lunix
[23:06:21] < Spengo\__> put the OS on a different partition
[23:06:29] < Damakaru> Hey, now, Linux/*nix is the only thing my comp can handle okay.
[23:06:34] < Spengo\__> I should do that for windows too actually
[23:06:53] < Damakaru> And Windows XP.
[23:07:01] < Spengo\__> seperate /home partition that is
[23:07:04] <+ports> exactly
[23:07:15] <+ports> a lot of stuff i dont have to backup because its on a different drive/partition
[23:07:38] < Spengo\__> most of the stuff I care about is on my external
[23:07:39] < Damakaru> I, for some reason, like to divide up /, /etc/, /usr, /var, and /home.
[23:07:45] <+ports> is there a way to backup your firefox addons?
[23:07:45] < i_c-Y> good.
[23:07:54] < Damakaru> Now, though, I just only divide /, /usr, and /home.
[23:07:55] < i_c-Y> dont they get backed up with appdata?
[23:07:55] < Spengo\__> so as long as that doesn't die I'm good
[23:08:05] < prime_> ports: i just take a screen shot of the addins page, so i know what i have
[23:08:07] < Damakaru> I'm not sure I even really need to do that
[23:08:19] < prime_> but i dont know how to backup
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[23:08:33] < Spengo\__> heh
[23:08:46] < Spengo\__> take an image of the hard drive
[23:08:46] < Damakaru> I would say back up your registry too, but I always have bad experiences with that.
[23:08:54] < prime_> this is interesting, you can rename the extension.xpi to .zip and the source is in there
[23:09:33] < i_c-Y> a lot of things do that.
[23:09:37] < i_c-Y> like rename .jar files.
[23:09:45] < prime_> yea
[23:09:51] < Spengo\__> lol java
[23:09:56] <+ports> found it..
[23:09:57] < prime_> hah yea lol java\
[23:10:04] < Damakaru> Ditto.
[23:10:04] <+ports> Firefox Environment Backup Extension
[23:10:11] < Damakaru> lol OpenOffice, on that note.
[23:10:22] < prime_> lol javascript even
[23:10:31] < Spengo\__> lol dongs
[23:10:34] < Damakaru> And lol flash.
[23:10:42] < prime_> Damakaru :(
[23:10:50] < prime_> lol realplayer
[23:11:15] < Damakaru> Flash was configurable before Adobe took it over.
[23:11:33] < Damakaru> Now all you get is HW acceleration and webcam settings.
[23:11:36] < i_c-Y> not really.
[23:11:43] < prime_> and they removed all the right-click menus
[23:11:58] <+ports> ok
[23:12:04] <+ports> im almost ready to transition to my new computer
[23:12:06] < prime_> i just hate all flash sites
[23:12:11] < prime_> but not flash
[23:12:20] < Damakaru> And I learned that only the Macromedia versions of Flash are the only ones that you can do the system wide quality hack in.
[23:12:58] <+ports> im so excited
[23:13:14] <+ports> im going from a P4 3ghz 1gb ram to a 2.4ghz Quadcore 4gb ram.
[23:13:16] < prime_> you built it already?
[23:13:22] < Damakaru> You are lucky ports.
[23:13:39] <+ports> prime_, yep. i got it running yesterday afternoon. heatsink clip wasnt sitting properly.
[23:13:52] <+ports> prime_, im going to end up replacing this heatsink/fan soon
[23:14:07] < prime_> aight
[23:14:37] <+ports> exciting huh?
[23:14:42] < _Digital> I'm testing a few thigns, hit me hard people: http://atlas.selfip.net:8080
[23:14:47] < prime_> yea, makes me look forward to mine
[23:14:59] < prime_> which i will make in about a month
[23:15:05] <+ports> what are you making
[23:16:03] < prime_> think its going to br a 3ghz dual core
[23:16:04] <@Andy_J> whoo! CONSTANT TIME!
[23:16:12] < prime_> decent ram/vidcard
[23:16:51] <+ports> 3ghz dual core? dont do that
[23:16:59] <+ports> my Q6600 is $220
[23:17:12] < prime_> E8400 $200
[23:17:18] <+ports> it overclocks from 2.4ghz to 3.0ghz.. and is equivelent to the Q6850
[23:17:29] <+ports> the Q6850 is a $1029 processor
[23:17:34] < Grue> My E2160 was $80 >.>
[23:17:40] < Grue> But can overclock to 3GHz (from 1.8)
[23:17:46] <+ports> Grue, still dual core :)
[23:17:48] <@Andy_J> JoelS: Constant time!
[23:17:52] < Grue> Yeah
[23:17:52] < _Digital> my e4300 is OC from 1.8 to 3.37
[23:17:58] < Grue> It's just a Core 2 with half the cache disabled
[23:18:00] < prime_> VARIABLE time!
[23:18:13] < JoelS> Andy_J: oh yes?
[23:18:13] < Grue> The Pentium Dual Core's are a steal for the price, especially with their OCability
[23:18:19] <@Andy_J> JoelS: Though it takes longer to do a single prime_bits due to making the table XD
[23:18:32] < JoelS> Andy_J: you cant make a table of 64bit integers
[23:18:48] <@Andy_J> A table of combinations
[23:18:59] < JoelS> how big is the table?
[23:19:04] < _Digital> I'm still waiting for the Q9300's to hit 200 then I'll buy
[23:19:05] < prime_> 9000 tables
[23:19:06] <@Andy_J> 64x64
[23:19:07] < JoelS> what's the table?
[23:19:23] <@Andy_J> i nCk j
[23:19:34] < JoelS> can't you calculate that using pascal? :-D
[23:20:08] <@Andy_J> Yeah, I need to look into that way too.
[23:20:33] <@Andy_J> But I was using combinations for it and that needed a gcd ... which ate a lot of time by itself ("a lot" relative to the rest of the program)
[23:20:45] < JoelS> anyway, generating a 64x64 table isn't that big of a deal - its the algorithm efficiency that's important
[23:20:56] < JoelS> n choose k needs gcd?
[23:21:06] <@Andy_J> To prevent overflow I needed it =\
[23:21:13] <@Andy_J> even with uint64_t
[23:21:13] < JoelS> If you say so
[23:21:18] < prime_> nah, let it overflow
[23:21:26] <@Andy_J> I was trying to avoid factorial and it still was rather overflowy
[23:21:40] <@Andy_J> maybe I was doing it wrong
[23:21:45] <@Andy_J> wait, no
[23:21:49] <@Andy_J> it does get rather large
[23:22:15] <@Andy_J> 42 nCr 17 is 2.54e11 according to my 84+
[23:22:19] < _Digital> which would you guys go with? Q6600 or Q9300?
[23:22:29] < prime_> E8400
[23:22:37] <@Andy_J> I'm not done optimizing
[23:22:37] < Spengo\__> lol
[23:22:40] < Spengo\__> why not a quad?
[23:22:41] <@Andy_J> but constant time <3
[23:22:44] <+TD-Linux> Grue, if you live in antartica and could use the heat, then sure, get a pentium 4 :)
[23:22:48] < Grue> Q9300
[23:22:50] <+ports> Q6600 now
[23:22:55] < Grue> Well
[23:22:55] < prime_> no benefit for me, with quad
[23:22:59] < Grue> Depends
[23:23:00] < prime_> rather get faster dual
[23:23:09] <+ports> Grue, its up to you... but if youre spending $280.. id go Q6700
[23:23:19] <+ports> 2 x 4mb cache
[23:23:23] < Spengo\__> yaya
[23:23:30] < Grue> Q9300 is almost the same price
[23:23:34] < _Digital> vs 6m shared, ports
[23:23:34] < Grue> Maybe not yet... but almost
[23:23:35] <+ports> not sure about the 6mb shared between 4 cores.
[23:23:39] <+ports> _Digital, exactly.
[23:23:39] < Spengo\__> what's the specs on the q9300?
[23:23:43] <+ports> Speler, 2.5ghz
[23:23:44] < Grue> bigger cache
[23:23:46] < Grue> faster bus I beleive
[23:23:46] < Spengo\__> 6MB shared eh?
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[23:23:48] < Grue> and smaller process
[23:23:50] < _Digital> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2Í0001157Ì0000343É051707842É302825342&bop=And&Order=PRICE&CompareItemList=N82E16819115017%2CN82E16819115043
[23:23:54] < Spengo\__> instead of 4MB+4MB
[23:23:55] < Grue> Q9300 is the Penryn Q6600, basically
[23:23:57] <+ports> Q6700 is 65nm
[23:23:58] < Spengo\__> interesting
[23:24:13] < Spengo\__> q9300 is 45nm I think
[23:24:24] < Grue> Umm
[23:24:30] <+TD-Linux> I read that the q9300, moneywise, is better than the q6600
[23:24:30] < _Digital> it is
[23:24:30] <+ports> yes it is
[23:24:33] < Grue> Q6700 is not 45nm
[23:24:40] < Spengo\__> what's the stock speeds and fsb speed?
[23:24:42] <+ports> TD-Linux, 9300 is $60 more than the 6600
[23:24:42] < Grue> Q6700 is old 65nm
[23:24:55] < Grue> The "Penryn" 45nm are 8x000 and 9x000
[23:25:06] < Spengo\__> I'd go with the 9300
[23:25:13] < Spengo\__> if I had moneys and a board that supported it
[23:25:21] < Grue> I do
[23:25:24] < Grue> It's not any more expensive
[23:25:36] < _Digital> doesn't seem like you can OC the q9300 as far due to the physics of electricity. Q9300 max voltage is 1.3625 vs the 1.5v on the q6600
[23:25:40] < Spengo\__> if I need an upgrade in anything it'd be ram atm
[23:25:44] < Spengo\__> only have 2GB
[23:25:55] < _Digital> that with a bigger L2 cache seems to be a better chip
[23:26:03] < Spengo\__> yeah
[23:26:18] <+ports> remember
[23:26:31] <+ports> the Q6600 is capable of overclocking to 3ghz and matching the Q6850...
[23:26:57] <+ports> 6850 beats the pants off everything
[23:27:00] < _Digital> what's the avg highest clock folks have gotten the Q6600 up to?
[23:27:09] < Spengo\__> q9300 is already 2.5GHz
[23:27:11] < Spengo\__> stock
[23:27:31] < Spengo\__> so I bet you could easily bump that to like 3.2GHz or so
[23:27:39] <+ports> 3.6ghz
[23:27:41] < Grue> seems hitting 3GHz for it is common at least
[23:27:45] < Grue> some as high as 3.5+GHz
[23:27:50] < _Digital> if I can hit 3.4 GHz, I'm peachy
[23:27:59] < Grue> and it's got the faster bus and bigger cache
[23:28:00] < _Digital> since I'm pratically there on 2 cores
[23:28:03] < Spengo\__> ehh that would require more expensive cooling though
[23:28:09] < Spengo\__> 3.2GHz will do anything you need
[23:28:51] <@Andy_J> hmm pascal's triangle doesn't seem to really help as it's more or less calculated the same as how i'm doing it
[23:29:07] <+ports> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/243644-30-q6600-overclocking-1066
[23:29:30] < _Digital> my mobo only does 800 MHz ram
[23:30:17] <+Tyler2> Meh, 45nm is easy to overclock
[23:30:37] <+Tyler2> My Xeon E3110 easily ran 3.6Ghz on a Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 7
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[23:31:06] < MrAndrsn> crossover cables to the rescue!
[23:31:43] < MrAndrsn> I knew these cat5 head thingies and crimpers would come in handy
[23:31:54] < _Digital> Thermalright 120 Extreme is my current air cooler. My NB/MCH is my primary concern. I plan on switching to liquid cooling for that reason alone. That and Having inside the house hit 95F is common
[23:32:39] < MrAndrsn> or do most modern ethernet ports have crossover detection and I just wasted 10 minutes of my life?
[23:32:56] < _Digital> you waisted time
[23:33:01] < _Digital> MDX iirc
[23:33:35] < MrAndrsn> also, the crossover cable that I made is dangling in front of my monitors... maybe I should do something about that
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[23:37:00] < _Digital> ew java
[23:37:46] <+tifreak> it works for what I need though..
[23:38:45] <+tifreak> hmm... I am in the mood for mashed potatoes and gravy...
[23:40:48] < Grue> indeed _Digital 
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[23:42:16] < MrAndrsn> funny... the internet seems to be faster through my laptop than from my laptop directly
[23:42:24] < Damakaru> If we could successfully transfer our minds into machines, or add prosthetics/cybernetics to parts of our brain, wouldn't that throw existence of a soul out the window?
[23:43:12] < Damakaru> And in turn, all religion is a lie, and the Atheists aren't lying after all?
[23:44:06] < Spengo\__> why would it throw the idea of souls out?
[23:44:13] < Spengo\__> I doubt it would
[23:44:48] < Damakaru> (Not that I believe they are now - I'm not even absolutely sure there is a god yet.)
[23:44:49] < Spengo\__> in fact I bet there starts whole religions based entirely on cyborgs
[23:46:06] < Netham45> I see 3 things wrong with our world, George Bush, Nikky, and Religion.
[23:46:29] < Netham45> All they do is start unneeded confrontations for no real point
[23:46:36] < Damakaru> I'm not absolutely the soul exists either, 'cause when anything happens to one's brain, you're usually fucked up.
[23:46:39] < Spengo\__> change that to "whoever happens to be president of united states" and call it good
[23:46:47] < Damakaru> * usually pretty
[23:46:56] < _Digital> Damakaru, watching Ghost in a Shell?
[23:47:14] < Spengo\__> Damakaru, I bet most people who believe in souls would just say it gets transferred to attach to your new body along with your brain
[23:47:34] < Netham45> I bet most people who believe in souls have a sub-par IQ too.
[23:47:37] < Spengo\__> since obviously your "self" or whatever goes with the brain
[23:47:54] < Spengo\__> I bet not actually, I know many very intelligent people who are also religious
[23:48:03] < Netham45> I don't
[23:48:09] < Spengo\__> or "spiritual" since I guess you don't have to be religious to believe in souls and crap
[23:48:12] < Netham45> every smart person I know is an athiest
[23:48:16] < Netham45> hmm, true.
[23:48:56]  * TD-Linux slaps Netham45 around a little
[23:49:09] < Damakaru> Well I am not sure of anything on a spiritual level, so I guess I'm in the middle smart or something.  :P
[23:49:12] < Netham45> but still, from what I have noticed with my limited exposure to outside population, Athiests are generally smarter than religious people.
[23:49:38] < Spengo\__> from what I have seen... well usually religion isn't one of the things I talk a lot about :P
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[23:49:57] < _Digital> no matter where you are, idiots are out there that think a lot of things
[23:50:05] < Netham45> know what religion I hate? Mormonism. My mormon friends keep hiding bibles in my backpack trying to convert me, like I'll read them.
[23:50:12] < Spengo\__> lmfao
[23:50:13] < Spengo\__> awesome
[23:50:19] < Damakaru> lol
[23:50:21] < Spengo\__> mormons are always lulzy
[23:50:46] < Spengo\__> I actually know a guy who quit being a mormon believe it or not
[23:51:02] < Spengo\__> that's like 5% of them or some really small number
[23:51:05] < Netham45> Spengo\__, heh, good for him. :)
[23:51:08] < Spengo\__> that get born a mormon and quit
[23:51:11] < Spengo\__> yeah I thought so, heh
[23:51:26] < Spengo\__> it's mostly because they are so tightly-knit I think
[23:51:35] < CannibalO> so why'd he do it?
[23:51:38] < Spengo\__> I forget
[23:51:59] < Spengo\__> he said once but like I said, usually the topics of discussion around me involve programming, computer hardware, or guns
[23:52:01]  * _Digital waits for Barrett to pop in
[23:52:07] < MrAndrsn> I'm here.
[23:52:18] < Netham45> yea, my friends mom got all pissy when I was at his house one night because I wouldn't pray with them.
[23:52:22] < _Digital> ah, different nick
[23:52:27] < Spengo\__> yeah you're mormon, right?
[23:52:39] < MrAndrsn> yes?
[23:52:43] < Spengo\__> hey, what's up with all the secret stuff around mormons?
[23:52:44] < Spengo\__> why is that?
[23:52:55] < MrAndrsn> secret?
[23:53:00] < Netham45> they're hiding their BS from the outside world so people don't laugh more?
[23:53:09] < Spengo\__> yeah like, not letting people into their churches etc.
[23:53:11] < CannibalO> i thought you just told me that they were so close-knit yourself...
[23:53:12] < MrAndrsn> are you talking about the wikileaks stuff?
[23:53:17] < Spengo\__> I have no idea
[23:53:30] < Spengo\__> I should read wikileaks mormon stuff now that you mention it
[23:53:32] < Spengo\__> good idea
[23:53:47] < MrAndrsn> wikileaks "leaked" the church handbook for leaders, which is copyrighted
[23:54:03] < MrAndrsn> a handbook of procedures on how to lead... nothing really secret, just copyrighted, and freely available from the right sources
[23:54:06] < Netham45> "Spengo\__> yeah like, not letting people into their churches etc."   <      their religion tells them to convert everyone they can, they have to spend 2 or 3 years as a missionary to become an "adult", for lack of a better word.
[23:54:17] < MrAndrsn> Netham45: No.
[23:54:17] < Spengo\__> hmm
[23:54:21] < Spengo\__> haha
[23:54:27] < Netham45> MrAndrsn, that's what my friends told me
[23:54:29] < Damakaru> My thought is, that if there is a god, why would He be so secretive about his existence?  And if god is unchanging as many say, then wouldn't that mean whatever happens to us is really just fate, because if He is unchanging, that seems like he is nothing more than an infinitely long tape disk.  :P
[23:54:34] < Spengo\__> I'll believe the actual mormon I think :)
[23:54:37] < Damakaru> * His
[23:54:39] < MrAndrsn> honestly, people... everything you say is made up, whether by you or your sources
[23:54:42] < MrAndrsn> don't make stuff up
[23:54:48] < Spengo\__> what did I make up?
[23:54:55] < MrAndrsn> Netham45 made something up
[23:55:13] < MrAndrsn> and anyone can go into a mormon church
[23:55:22] < Spengo\__> really?
[23:55:27] < Netham45> MrAndrsn, then why are my mormon friends putting bibles in my backpack trying to get me to read them and convert?
[23:55:29] < MrAndrsn> yes.
[23:55:40] < Spengo\__> hmm, I'll have to go to the fancy portland temple and see
[23:55:41] < glk> The Temple in SLT is limited to good Mormons
[23:55:48] < Spengo\__> I thought they wouldn't let non-mormons in that one though
[23:55:51] < CannibalO> SLT?
[23:55:53] < MrAndrsn> Netham45: what does that have to do with being a missionary for 2 or 3 years?
[23:56:00] < Netham45> MrAndrsn, he told me that too
[23:56:18] < Damakaru> I know I can think take a decision and decide on what I want to do about it, but how do I know that the decision I will choose, I really didn't have a choice of making, I was just destined to make that decision?
[23:56:21] < MrAndrsn> he did not tell you that you have to go on a mission to become an "adult"
[23:56:26] < Netham45> when I asked him what he was doing after he graduated, he told me that.
[23:56:38] < MrAndrsn> that's because he wants to do that
[23:56:49] < MrAndrsn> he's encouraged to do it, but he doesn't have to do it to keep a good standing in the church
[23:56:55] < Netham45> he didn't say adult, I can't rembebmer the exact wording, but he said it was a right of passage.
[23:56:56] < Netham45> ah
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[23:57:07] < Netham45> he told it to me like it was a required thing.
[23:57:17] < MrAndrsn> strongly encouraged.
[23:57:17] < _Digital> its not required
[23:57:20] < MrAndrsn> not required
[23:57:26] < Netham45> Ok
[23:57:27] < CannibalO> Damakaru, I think you need to stop making such distinctions. Yes, you have been "destined" to make that decision, but it's still your personal decision
[23:57:56] < Spengo\__> distinctions?
[23:58:06] < CannibalO> talki to DAma; read his msg
[23:58:12] < CannibalO> talking
[23:58:20] < MrAndrsn> for example, my dad was never a missionary, but is a perfectly good member of the church
[23:58:28] < Spengo\__> oh
[23:58:30] < Spengo\__> destiny stuff
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[23:58:50] < Spengo\__> whenever I think of destiny I think of square enix
[23:58:54] < Spengo\__> and star wars
[23:59:01] < Spengo\__> japanese RPGs
[23:59:03] < Spengo\__> etc.
[23:59:03] < i_c-Y> sup guyz
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