--- Log opened Sat May 03 00:00:22 2008
--- Day changed Sat May 03 2008
[00:00:22] <@Grue> ...so?
[00:00:40] < Netham45> just stating an observation.
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[00:15:09] < Nikky> Grue: Glad to see you're learning. :)
[00:17:54] <@Grue> Pfft
[00:17:58] <@Grue> I've used that line for years
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[01:17:00] <@efneTI86> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[01:51:40] < Randomist> Damn TILP.
[01:52:23] < Randomist> Does not work worth crap.
[01:57:04] < prime38> my mom just installed real player
[01:59:17] <+Tari> ...
[01:59:49] < Randomist> Ew, RealPlayer...
[01:59:58] < prime38> i know
[02:00:08] < prime38> its invading my web browser too
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[02:00:33] < prime38> EVERY flash object has a little realplayer tag now
[02:00:37] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Merthsoft] by efneTI80
[02:00:46] < Randomist> Separate OSes per user FTW.
[02:00:56] < prime38> asking me if i want to download it (uselful for flv)
[02:04:21] < Randomist> Are you allowed to use math apps on your calc during the SAT?
[02:04:58] < Randomist> Or do they clear/disable them or something?
[02:05:13] < prime38> they let me use them on the ACT
[02:05:20] < prime38> not that you even need them
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[02:09:53] < Randomist> Well... I'd install some apps, but TiLP does not want to work...
[02:10:29] < Randomist> As a normal user, it keeps bitching about libusb/usbfs, and as root, it just doesn't work, even if I use the SilverLink instead of the USB.
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[02:15:23] < Netham45> np: ????? -- MICRO MINI COOL
[02:15:30] < Netham45> japanese are lulzy
[02:19:31] < Randomist> Crap.  I need Windows, now.  [Cries.]
[02:20:13] < Randomist> But the test is tomorrow, and I don't have enough time to download and set that up.
[02:21:58] < Netham45> http://ubuntustudio.org/ this looks intresting, has anyone tried it?
[02:22:10] < Randomist> Ew, Ubuntu.
[02:22:59] < Netham45> you do realize that noone cares about your opinion, me least of all, right?
[02:23:50] < Randomist> But most people would agree -- Ubuntu sucks.
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[02:34:28] <@efneTI86> [Ox40] File Deletion is Murder!
[02:34:37] < Ox40> Ohmygod I had to come in and share...
[02:34:45]  * Randomist cries.
[02:34:48] < Ox40> :P
[02:34:57] < Randomist> Damn it, I thought I bought 2GB microSD.
[02:35:17] < PollTroll> ...
[02:35:22] < Randomist> There goes my twenty bucks.
[02:35:42] < Ox40> Today... I accidentally took a turn too fast... I jumped the curb, took out my tire and rim on it, then hit a light pole, destroying my front right headlight and right side mirror...
[02:35:55] < Ox40> And to top it all off... 2 seconds after I hit... THE LIGHT POLE FELL DOWN.
[02:36:10] < Ox40> I knocked over a freaking light pole.
[02:36:20] < Randomist> One of those huge metal ones?
[02:36:29] < Ox40> *nod*
[02:36:35] < Ox40> Not the HUGE ones, but pretty big
[02:36:41] < Ox40> like, residential streets...
[02:36:55] < Ox40> I was like, crying and laughing my butt off at the same time.
[02:36:59] < Randomist> Haha, how fast were you going?
[02:37:02] < Ox40> Oh, I destroyed my bumper too.
[02:37:22] < Ox40> Not as fast as you would expect. I had underinflated, balding tires... and it was raining...
[02:37:29] < Ox40> whooopsie, my bad.
[02:38:14] < Randomist> (Oh, wait, I got 20 more dollars today, I could just go back and buy the other microSD box.)
[02:38:25] < Randomist> Then I'll have three GB.  :P
[02:38:41] < Randomist> And I won't have to buy another one for the camera.
[02:38:54] < Ox40> Anyways, after sharing that, I think I can go to bed now. ;)
[02:40:37]  * Randomist wishes there was another linking program that works on Linux for TI-89s.
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[02:43:57] < prime38> pics?
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[02:56:44] <+Speler_> Hey peep's
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[03:18:18] < Netham45> seen brandonw
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[03:18:20] <@efneTI86> brandonw was last on IRC channel #tcpa 16 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes ago.
[03:19:28] < Netham45> everone call him and tell him to come back! His phone # is (423) 895-4779
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[03:26:50] <@efneTI86> [Merthsoft] Heat, time, and pressure; the things needed to make diamonds also make waffles.
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[03:28:05] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] I need an infoline
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[03:34:51] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] Give me a biscuit, I will do science to it
[03:35:28] < Sir_Lewk> I major in biscuit science
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[03:37:28] < Sir_Lewk> do YOU major in biscuit science Randomist ???
[03:38:06] <+Tari> no, he's blackula
[03:40:43] < Randomist> I am really hating Linux right now...
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[03:42:36] < Randomist> I think I am about to take Nikky' advice.
[03:43:34] < prime38> ohh god
[03:43:54] < PollTroll> Nikky's advice is always good
[03:43:58] < PollTroll> you should *always* take it
[03:44:20] < Randomist> Looks like I'm gonna be back in the life of piracy.
[03:44:48] < Randomist> But I'd rather do that then have crappy hardware support.
[03:45:07] <+TheStorm> hmm andyone got some spare ram lying around?
[03:45:13] < prime38> linux has no place running on personal computers
[03:45:17] < prime38> TheStorm: yes
[03:45:35] < chronomex> prime38: except mine !
[03:45:37] <+TheStorm> lol btw I need it to install linux
[03:46:00] <+TheStorm> the comp is a peice of shit so I figured go for it
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[03:46:03] < chronomex> wait, what's nikky's advice?
[03:46:38] < prime38> TheStorm: what was the question about the RAM for?
[03:47:01] <+TheStorm> I need more ram for one of my comps and I'm too lazy to go out and buy it
[03:47:16] < prime38> i have 256MB pc2700
[03:47:26] < prime38> what it worth to you?
[03:47:41] <+TheStorm> hmm it would help if I knew what type of ram I needed
[03:47:59] <+TheStorm> I know its not ddr or ddr2 and thats it
[03:48:09] <+TheStorm> maybe I should figure that out and ask again
[03:48:17] < prime38> haha, its probably ddr
[03:48:35] <+TheStorm> no it not cuz I got plenat of that hanging around
[03:48:44] <+TheStorm> its*
[03:48:49] <+TheStorm> pleanty*
[03:48:55] <+TheStorm> plenty*
[03:49:10]  * TheStorm phails at spelling
[03:50:30] <+Tari> it's pc133 sdram
[03:50:50] <+TheStorm> thanks
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[03:55:47] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] Give me a biscuit, I will do science to it
[04:01:18] < prime38> what are chipset drivers for?
[04:01:24] <@Andy_J> Iron Man ... OMG awesome.
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[04:06:42] < mokomull> prime38: things that are integrated onto the motherboard, like SATA/IDE, audio, onboard graphics, etc.
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[04:11:33] < prime38> mokomull: but dont you already have to be booted into your environment in order to install those drivers
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[04:11:58] < mokomull> prime38: Not necessarily
[04:12:06] < prime38> how would you do it then?
[04:12:09] <@Andy_J> just because it works doesn't mean it works well
[04:12:26] <@Andy_J> i.e. the default drivers can make the stuff do minimal functionality but the real drivers make it not suck
[04:12:28] < prime38> oh, say you didnt install them, would that cause damage to the hardware?
[04:12:31] < mokomull> most IDE/SATA chips support a generic mode and a manufacturer-specific mode that is a shitton faster (DMA is usually not enabled in the former, and is enabled in the latter)
[04:12:42] < mokomull> it wouldn't cause damage to the hardware
[04:12:55] < mokomull> but it might be slow and/or not let you get the features you expected out of the motherboard
[04:12:55] < prime38> just a loss of performace, ok
[04:13:06] < mokomull> just install them
[04:13:07] < prime38> ahh ok
[04:13:13] < mokomull> there's really no reason *not* to
[04:13:38] <@Andy_J> unless you're Randomist and like your computer not working
[04:13:39] <@Andy_J> >_>
[04:13:43] < chronomex> lol
[04:15:08] < prime38> shut up, my computer isnt working ;(
[04:15:46] < prime38> but i dont remember if i installed them or not, my memory is that, as mokomull said, there wasnt any reason not to
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[04:17:27] <@efneTI86> [DSP_Lord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[04:18:59] < prime38> the bios beep code is indicating the motherboard or the videocard
[04:19:05] < prime38> and its a laptop...
[04:19:18] < prime38> so i think the vidcard is stuck in there
[04:20:02] < mokomull> prime38: At which point, pray you have warranty
[04:21:59] < prime38> but...sometime it boots...at which point the display works for 20-30 seconds and then goes blank, or doesnt work at all
[04:22:20] < prime38> but i know the rest is working because i put in my password and i hear the logon sound
[04:22:29] < mokomull> sounds like a videocard
[04:22:31] < prime38> so....
[04:22:38] < mokomull> which is sort of not replacable
[04:22:39] < prime38> and there is no warranty left
[04:23:18] < mokomull> wastebasket!
[04:23:18] < mokomull> :)
[04:23:25] < prime38> :(
[04:23:43] < mokomull> I dunno, depending on what kind of computer it is, you might be able to find a mobo on ebay
[04:23:59] < mokomull> that's a rather invasive procedure, though :P
[04:24:21] < prime38> better than wastebasket
[04:24:50] < mokomull> worst case, install Linux on it (you could do it through a serial console or something...) and stick it in the corner
[04:26:17] < prime38> do i need a serial port for that? cause it doesnt have one
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[04:27:01] <@efneTI86> [IDL^LordM] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[04:31:37] < prime38> i wonder about this place http://azlaptoprepair.com/
[04:31:59] < prime38> they say they just replace defective chips, saving the motherboard
[04:32:25] < prime38> wow, free diagnosis, and if they cant fix it, it costs nothing
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[04:34:54] < mokomull> prime38: You're far better off replacing the motherboard.
[04:35:04] < mokomull> replacing defective chips takes a hellshitton of labor
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[04:41:53] <@efneTI86> [IDL^LordM] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[04:56:42] <@efneTI86> [Spengo] En Taro Adun, Executor
[04:59:56] < Netham45> omh
[04:59:58] < Netham45> omg
[05:00:01] < Netham45> spengo changed his greet
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[06:37:57] <@efneTI86> [Spengo\__] En Taro Adun, Executor
[06:38:19] < Spengo\__> En Taro Adun, Praetor
[06:41:19] < Netham45> http://mhespenh.net/calc.html
[06:41:36] < Netham45> in that, he has pictures of an 83 case, but that mainboard is an 84, right?
[06:42:15] < Spengo\__> blahhh
[06:44:08] < Spengo\__> lmao @ office
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[06:45:42] <@efneTI86> [DarkAuron] We called it Sin.
[06:51:44] < Spengo\__> OH GOD DWIGHT
[06:51:44] < Spengo\__> xD
[06:51:57] < Spengo\__> he's always my favorite xD
[06:52:28] < Nikky> ...?
[06:53:11] < Spengo\__> I also like how on shitty DSL sometimes commercials get skipped
[06:53:15] < Spengo\__> :>
[06:53:21] < Spengo\__> of course sometimes they play twice... :(
[06:55:12] < Netham45> wtf are you babbling about now?
[06:55:44] < Spengo\__> like I said office
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[07:04:21] <@efneTI86> [[1]Netham] Beware.
[07:05:55] < Spengo\__> what's the deal with grapenuts
[07:06:07] < Spengo\__> no grape, no nuts... I don't get no respect
[07:10:33] < Spengo\__> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php lol
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[07:11:11] < [1]Netham> xD
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[07:13:22] < Spengo\__> anyways => bed
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[07:54:14] < DarkAuron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ajV5LOB9Zo
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[08:51:41] <@efneTI86> [Netham45] Beware.
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[09:01:38] <@efneTI86> [Netham45] Beware.
[09:09:38] < Netham45> I want to kill the jackass who decided to make Opera do a /list automatically on connect.
[09:12:08] < DarkAuron> someone should kill you for using opera to get on IRC
[09:17:08] < Netham45> blarg
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[09:20:24] < Netham45> blarg opera sucks
[09:25:15] < Netham45> awesomeness
[09:25:22] < Netham45> I got irssi proxy setup
[09:28:16] < DarkAuron> lol
[09:29:54] < Netham45> what?
[09:30:06] < DarkAuron> your remark about opera
[09:30:16] < Netham45> the IRC client sucks
[09:30:35]  * Netham45 needs a good Linux IRC client now
[09:30:44] < DarkAuron> try xchat
[09:34:35] < Netham45> hmm, that's what I use on my windows PC...
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[09:49:03] < Netham45> another reason to hate opera
[09:49:09] < Netham45> instead of /quit ting like a sane client
[09:49:14] < Netham45> it individually parts every channel
[09:49:24] < Netham45> blowing the purpose of irssi proxy to hell
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[09:58:45] < Netham45> damnit
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[10:27:41] <@efneTI86> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[10:40:04] < _krisk_> bluh
[10:40:42] < DarkAuron> morning
[10:41:09] < _krisk_> bleh
[10:41:15] < _krisk_> -ning
[10:41:23] < DarkAuron> wow, I have 88mb of logs
[10:41:32] < DarkAuron> didn't realize I had so much
[10:42:00] < DarkAuron> most of it from efnet
[10:42:01] < _krisk_> well its certainly a lot compaired to my 0b
[10:42:06] < DarkAuron> heh
[10:48:32] < _krisk_> so any plans for tonight?
[10:52:15] < DarkAuron> eh?
[10:52:54] < _krisk_> its weekend right?
[10:53:13] < DarkAuron> my friends are going to oklahoma, but I'm staying here
[11:05:23] < DarkAuron> no plans really
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[12:39:47] <+TheStorm> I can has linux yay =)
[12:41:17] < DarkAuron> lol
[12:41:49] <+TheStorm> I jsut got xubuntu installed on one of my crappy comps and it runs a hell of a lot better than xp on it
[12:42:14] <+TheStorm> all i need to do now is install xchat and openoffice and I'm set
[12:42:56] < DarkAuron> I've got xchat, blender, openoffice, firefox, pidgin, and some other goods on my laptop
[12:44:02] < DarkAuron> which only has a 2GB SSD
[12:44:38] < DarkAuron> I may go with my friends to oklahoma if we come back by tomorrow afternoon
[12:44:53] <+TheStorm> cool 
[12:45:03] < DarkAuron> as I have plans tomorrow,
[12:45:17] < _krisk_> what are they going there for?
[12:45:19] < DarkAuron> so I'm charging my AAA batteries for my ti-83+SE in case I do go
[12:45:42] < DarkAuron> my friend Wesley's birthday is today, and his sister's graduation (in oklahoma) is also today
[12:46:04] < DarkAuron> so he had to go with his parents to the graduation on his birthday, and won't be with his friends. However, his sister's idea was for us to drive up there and suprise him
[12:46:13] < DarkAuron> which is what we were going to do, although I sorta didn't want to go
[12:46:24] < _krisk_> why not?
[12:47:01] < DarkAuron> cramped in a '94 honda with 4 other guys for about 4 hours will be rather annoying
[12:47:19] < DarkAuron> they want to go see iron man, and I don't have my debit card (I lost it and canceled it, should get my new one next week)
[12:47:31] < _krisk_> ah
[12:47:42] < DarkAuron> and I don't know his sister or the rest of his family at all
[12:47:47] < DarkAuron> so it'd be weird
[12:48:00] < DarkAuron> if I stay here, I'm going to spend the day organizing my room, my closet, and crap on my harddrive
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[12:48:20] < DarkAuron> by organize I mean I'm going to shift around the dresser, my computer desk, and some other stuff
[12:48:47] < DarkAuron> if I go I'm taking my PSP, my laptop, and my ti-83+SE with me
[12:49:11] <+TheStorm> yeah I should do that now that the comp i installed xubuntu on is usefull
[12:49:27] < DarkAuron> heh
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[12:52:23] <@E-JL> http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/fa/Rape_cd.jpg
[12:52:55] < _krisk_> lulz
[12:54:23] < DarkAuron> creepy
[12:56:16] < DarkAuron> 0.16*(380*24/1000)
[12:56:17] < DarkAuron> oops
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[15:07:45] < Dauron> I don't understand why jpegs kill my computer so bad
[15:08:30] < _krisk_> kill?
[15:09:11] < Dauron> let's just say if I'm streaming a video from youtube and I open up a jpg picture, the video stops playing while the jpg is opening because my cpu is choking on it
[15:09:19] < Dauron> and I have an athlon xp 2800+
[15:10:10] < Dauron> doesn't matter if it's 320x200 or 2048x1600, size doesn't seem to matter, just the fact it's a damn picture
[15:10:59] < _krisk_> what about cpu use when opening a jpeg without flash/youtube open?
[15:11:13] < Dauron> I was using that as an example
[15:11:31] < Dauron> it doesn't matter what I'm doing, jpegs seem to use up an insane amount of cpu for no apparent reason
[15:11:44] < Dauron> everything slows down
[15:11:50] < _krisk_> ok otherwise i wouldve said flash fails
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[15:24:01] < monkey92> does anyone know the average battery life for a ti-89?
[15:24:18] < monkey92> like how long one set of 4 AAA's will last?
[15:25:34] < PollTroll> depends on how much you use it
[15:25:47] < monkey92> well
[15:26:02] < monkey92> a lot of equation solving, graphing, and calculus stuff
[15:26:19] < monkey92> and ~5 min games a day (in math class ;)
[15:26:30] < PollTroll> if you use it in class all the time and for homework all the time it should last a good month
[15:26:37] < monkey92> alright
[15:26:38] < monkey92> thanks
[15:26:44] < PollTroll> it also depends on whether or not you play Tankers
[15:26:49] < monkey92> lol
[15:26:52] < monkey92> i dont have that game
[15:26:57] < PollTroll> you should get it
[15:27:07] < monkey92> but i do have phoenix, bdude, grand tourismo, 
[15:27:10] < monkey92> hmm i wil
[15:27:42] < monkey92> this one month is for alkaline batteries, right?
[15:27:43] < PollTroll> but you have to find a friend with an 89... the single player mode isn't as fun as the multi-player
[15:27:48] < monkey92> how long will a lithium last?
[15:27:52] < monkey92> lol ok
[15:27:53] < PollTroll> no idea...
[15:27:58] < monkey92> alright
[15:28:12] < PollTroll> you shouldn't have any problems... these things don't use too much power
[15:28:18] < monkey92> ok
[15:28:19] < monkey92> is tankers where you're a tank and you go around shooting people
[15:28:21] < PollTroll> they aren't exactly going to be wasting your money
[15:28:25] < _krisk_> damn, level 17 and still no scrolls of enchant armor and still no decent shops
[15:28:26] < PollTroll> you shoot other tanks
[15:28:32] < monkey92> ohh
[15:28:34] < monkey92> like
[15:28:36] < monkey92> turn-based?
[15:28:41] < PollTroll> no
[15:28:47] < monkey92> hmmm
[15:28:51] < monkey92> is it on ticalc.org?
[15:28:52] < PollTroll> http://calcg.org/cgi-bin/files.cgi?id=21
[15:29:06] < monkey92> :o
[15:29:07] < monkey92> thx
[15:29:13] < PollTroll> or if you have a titanium edition: http://calcg.org/cgi-bin/files.cgi?id=451
[15:29:20] < monkey92> ok
[15:29:30] < monkey92> do u have bomberdude?
[15:29:33] < monkey92> amazing game as well
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[15:33:29] <+DSP_Lord> PollTroll: less plugging of your own game please :P
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[15:34:28] < monkey92> btw, what is Walburgis night?
[15:34:53]  * DSP_Lord ¯\(°_o)/¯
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[15:35:52] < _krisk_> fertility celebration thing
[15:36:03] < Leofox> when was walburgis night?
[15:36:10] < Leofox> sounds like some wiccan holiday
[15:36:13] < _krisk_> may 1 ?
[15:36:22] < _krisk_> yeah it comes from witches stuff or something
[15:36:47] < _krisk_> *pagan
[15:37:39] < _krisk_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_Night
[15:39:24] < PollTroll> Nikky: happy birthday to your woman
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[15:39:59] <@efneTI86> [KermM] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
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[15:48:04] < _krisk_> this game is nervewrecking
[15:49:22] < _krisk_> got cast into the abyss which is a randomly transforming level so you might not find an exist portal from it and constantly spawns new high level demons to chase you
[15:50:32] < _krisk_> finally find a portal and get out but a freaking Balrug (one of those big flaming things that sucks at walking over thin bridges in lotr) followed me out and is standing next to me
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[16:04:55] <@efneTI86> [DarkAuron] We called it Sin.
[16:05:16] < DarkAuron> ugh efnet is being a pita today
[16:09:43] < PollTroll> fajita pita?!?!
[16:17:07] < _krisk_> Synopsis for
[16:17:07] < _krisk_> Teeth
[16:17:15] < _krisk_> High school student Dawn works hard at suppressing her budding sexuality by being the local chastity group's most active participant. Her task is made even more difficult by her bad boy stepbrother Brad's increasingly provocative behavior at home. A stranger to her own body, innocent Dawn discovers she has a toothed vagina when she becomes the object of violence.
[16:23:02] <+Merthsoft> O_o
[16:23:05] < Leofox> fap fap fap
[16:23:39] < Leofox> _krisk_: where did you get that?
[16:23:46] < _krisk_> imdb
[16:24:22] < _krisk_> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780622/
[16:25:02] < Leofox> ...living example of the vagina dentata myth.
[16:26:08] < _krisk_> apparently its is an actual myth
[16:27:33] < _krisk_> Cultural basis
[16:27:33] < _krisk_> The vagina dentata appears in the myths of several cultures. Erich Neumann relays one such myth in which “A fish inhabits the vagina of the Terrible Mother; the hero is the man who overcomes the Terrible Mother, breaks the teeth out of her vagina, and so makes her into a woman.”[1]
[16:27:33] < _krisk_> The myth expresses the threat sexual intercourse poses for men who, although entering triumphantly, always leave diminished.[2]
[16:29:00] < DarkAuron> O.o
[16:31:22] < PollTroll> this is so difficult.......... trying to decide how to go about template stuff on my new website
[16:31:32] < _krisk_> 1) TemplatePower
[16:31:33] < _krisk_> 2) ????
[16:31:35] < _krisk_> 3) done
[16:31:44] <+KermM> 4) PROFIT!!!
[16:31:53] < PollTroll> although I think I've come up with something that should work better than anything I've ever done before for templates
[16:32:16] <@Andy_J> 5) 42
[16:32:19] < PollTroll> calcg.org stores the template in a mysql database, and it gets pulled down from there
[16:32:33] < PollTroll> at work, after all of the code is executed, the template is included
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[16:32:59] < _krisk_> what are you unsure about then
[16:33:07] < PollTroll> the best way to do this
[16:33:22] < PollTroll> I don't want to be calling 30 different files for each page
[16:33:35] < PollTroll> and I don't want login code to be called more than once
[16:33:47] < PollTroll> at work, login code is called twice... once for the code, and again for the template to display login information
[16:34:03] < PollTroll> it's not the same code... but it does similar stuff
[16:34:11] < _krisk_> well in any case just use templatepower for the parsing
[16:34:24] < PollTroll> I don't know what that is... but it sounds stupid
[16:34:46] < _krisk_> yeah a funnly nested dynamic template parser class isnt very stupid
[16:34:50] < _krisk_> fully
[16:35:05] < PollTroll> I think what I'll do is include the library at the beginning of each page, and the library will automatically set login variables (whether or not the person is logged in, who it is, etc...)
[16:35:45] < _krisk_> better would be to have a single point of entry on an index.php file that handles the whole deal of showing and managing the website usage
[16:35:58] < PollTroll> that's a horrible idea
[16:36:03] < _krisk_> lol?
[16:36:09] < PollTroll> like ti-news.net?
[16:36:18] < PollTroll> the old one
[16:36:21] < PollTroll> not the current one
[16:36:29] < PollTroll> the only file was index.php
[16:36:52] < _krisk_> single point of entry is terribly important both for security and for proper development and maintainability of your code
[16:37:00] < PollTroll> are you talking about logging in?
[16:37:13] < PollTroll> I'm just talking about session information
[16:37:21] < PollTroll> stuff that happens on all pages
[16:37:30] < _krisk_> like i said, the index file would be the point from where everything for the request would be handled, just not all in that one file obviously
[16:38:00] < _krisk_> that way you can also easily make sure every page request runs through a login (or any) function only once
[16:40:25] < _krisk_> but this has very little to do with templates
[16:41:16] < PollTroll> maybe I should do this in C or C++
[16:41:23] < _krisk_> lol?
[16:41:29] < PollTroll> I probably won't get another chance to make a website for a long time
[16:41:37] < PollTroll> and I've always wanted to make one in C or C++
[16:41:40] < PollTroll> no, I'm not laughing
[16:42:00] < _krisk_> well if you just want to get a website up and running with good security and template management and all that jazz just get Zend Framework
[16:42:19] < _krisk_> theres a simple tutorial that gets you started with a site in it in a couple of minutes
[16:42:36] < _krisk_> and shazam you have all your template, login, database, etc stuff right there
[16:42:59] < PollTroll> If I wanted to simply put up a website as quickly as possible, I would copy the code from one of my previous 5 websites
[16:43:22] < _krisk_> whatever the case, just get Zend Framework
[16:43:57] < PollTroll> I'd rather not
[16:44:00] < _krisk_> saves you from having to spend any more time thinking about session handling or templates
[16:44:04] <@Andy_J> PollTroll: there is a reason people don't do that anymore
[16:44:14] < PollTroll> don't do what?
[16:44:29] <@Andy_J> Write websites in C.
[16:44:38] < _krisk_> lol.net
[16:44:42] < PollTroll> sure, cuts development costs
[16:44:46] <@Andy_J> ...
[16:45:14] <@Andy_J> I can never tell when you're trying to be serious or are trolling.
[16:45:15] < PollTroll> and there are other compiled languages that are good for websites
[16:45:30] < PollTroll> I was giving you some of the reasons
[16:45:50] < _krisk_> are you using php now or am i crazy?
[16:46:04] < _krisk_> or trying to use
[16:46:24] < PollTroll> there is no try
[16:46:28] < PollTroll> there is only do
[16:46:29] < _krisk_> thinking
[16:46:43] < _krisk_> inclined
[16:46:45] < _krisk_> whatever
[16:46:46] < _krisk_> are you?
[16:47:20] < PollTroll> most likely it will be in php, but only because I'd like to include some other people in the development
[16:47:34] < PollTroll> otherwise it would be in perl or if I felt inclined, C++
[16:47:41] < _krisk_> then something like zend framework should be excellent
[16:47:47] < PollTroll> I'm not going to use a framework
[16:47:56] < PollTroll> php has everything built in
[16:48:02] < PollTroll> it can't be any simpler
[16:48:11] < _krisk_> um its a php framework
[16:48:35] < PollTroll> exactly
[16:48:47] < PollTroll> why would I need another level of abstraction when php has everything already?
[16:49:14] <@Andy_J> Except it doesn't.
[16:49:22] < _krisk_> because abstraction is good for the quality of the programming
[16:49:23] <@Andy_J> You're thinking of Perl. (Oh shit, I just gave him an idea.)
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[16:49:36] < PollTroll> there is such a think as too much abstraction
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[16:49:42] < _krisk_> supports development
[16:49:49] <@Andy_J> Too much, yes.
[16:49:54] <@Andy_J> But you can't have too much when you don't have ANY.
[16:49:56] < PollTroll> why would I call zend_session_start() instead of session_start() ?
[16:50:09] < PollTroll> (that's just an example, I'm sure that that function doesn't exist)
[16:50:24] < _krisk_> because zend_session_start manages a whole lot more and better than that pure simple php function does and enforces good practises on managing the session
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[16:50:31] < _krisk_> which the php functions let you screw up
[16:51:51] < _krisk_> it puts things where they belong so the user of the framework doesnt have to do/code everything himself anymore
[16:52:26] < _krisk_> for example, no more need to write your own abstraction layer for database access with security error catching and all that
[16:52:32] < _krisk_> just use theirs
[16:52:56] < PollTroll> I would write a function with about 5 lines of code for that
[16:53:22] < _krisk_> lol
[16:53:52] < _krisk_> 1) thats one shitty database access method 2) still more than a already defined functions
[16:54:07] < PollTroll> people think way too much about sql security
[16:54:20] < _krisk_> meh
[16:54:25] < _krisk_> its not just about security
[16:54:26] < PollTroll> put everything in single quotes, escape the ones in the string, and you're set
[16:54:26] <@Andy_J> No, they tend to not think ENOUGH about it.
[16:54:47] < _krisk_> what about code maintenance?
[16:56:07] < PollTroll> much easier to maintain my own code than someone else's
[16:56:13] < _krisk_> you wont have to maintain theres
[16:56:19] < _krisk_> theirs
[16:56:27] < _krisk_> just your own, which youll have a lot less of
[16:58:27] < _krisk_> everything in there has already been extensively refactored, youll only have to maintain your own view functions
[16:58:59] < Leofox> some reinventing the wheel here?
[16:59:36] < _krisk_> meh i like writing my own little frameworks but not using one at all is just insane if youre going to use it with other people
[16:59:37] < PollTroll> There are 3 or 4 functions that may be available in some framework that I'm going to write myself so that I don't have to import anything
[16:59:49] < PollTroll> each of which consist of 5 to 10 lines of code
[17:00:07] < PollTroll> consists*
[17:00:12] < _krisk_> so youre going to code all the pages on your site in seperate php files?
[17:01:57] < PollTroll> probably
[17:02:01] < _krisk_> ouch
[17:02:06] < _krisk_> what's wrong with importing?
[17:02:30] < PollTroll> nothing is wrong with importing... unless you are importing more than you're using
[17:02:42] < PollTroll> I'll import my own library, and that's it
[17:03:09] < _krisk_> what a lulzy approach
[17:03:22] < PollTroll> I'm pretty sure that it's a very common approach
[17:03:43] < _krisk_> teen pregnancies are also pretty common
[17:03:54] <@Andy_J> Well said, krisk.
[17:04:12] < PollTroll> but not very common
[17:04:35] < _krisk_> the better alternateive is more common in both cases
[17:04:58] < PollTroll> having all code in one file is a better alternative?
[17:05:09] < _krisk_> all the code isnt in one file
[17:05:13] <@Andy_J> Except it -isn't-
[17:05:22] < _krisk_> all page requests begin at one file, thats it
[17:05:35] <@Andy_J> All the general session and database code is in that file, and that file fetches the page-specific content from other places as needed
[17:05:54] <@Andy_J> It's enterprisey >_>
[17:05:58] < PollTroll> I would only ever consider that if the browser thought they were different files
[17:06:14] < _krisk_> well thats where url rewriting comes in
[17:06:31] < _krisk_> zend framework lets you use the uri structure to choose page views
[17:06:32] < PollTroll> and I don't like editing my conf files for basic web access
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[17:07:08] < Leofox> I hate how scripts never work on my server
[17:07:14] < Leofox> I blame LAMP
[17:07:49] < PollTroll> so how would that be different from just having include_once($pathToLibrary."lib.php"); at the beginning of each file?
[17:07:57] < _krisk_> like http://www.site/manual/index and http://www.site/archive/lastmonth actually both cause apache to call the framework index file on the site
[17:08:00] <@Andy_J> ... You don't edit the conf files, you add .htacces files ...
[17:08:19] < PollTroll> .htaccess files are just an extension to the conf files
[17:08:20] < Leofox> stupid PHP for IIS
[17:08:23] < _krisk_> you wouldnt have an include at the beginning of each file because youre not making each file from scratch to begin with
[17:08:28] <@Andy_J> It isn't editing the conf file, though.
[17:08:36] <@Andy_J> And they made .htaccess for a reason.
[17:08:39] <@Andy_J> This reason.
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[17:08:50] < _krisk_> the pages are included by the framework from a single point of entry, not the other way around
[17:09:08] < PollTroll> so either I add an include in the universal file to each specific file, or I add an include in each specific file
[17:09:11] < PollTroll> one line of code in either case
[17:09:15] < _krisk_> so you just make youre view functions put them in the right place and poof everything already works
[17:09:37] < _krisk_> no the framework knows where to find all the files, no need to include each one in a central universal file
[17:10:14] < PollTroll> ok, got it... I could code that myself if I really wanted to do it that way
[17:10:25] < _krisk_> let me find the tutorial pdf for it, it will make things very clear for you
[17:10:30] < _krisk_> yeah but its already coded very well for you ; )
[17:10:48] < PollTroll> would be 2 or 3 lines of code
[17:10:54] <@Andy_J> No, it wouldn't
[17:10:59] <@Andy_J> Not if you do it correctly.
[17:11:05] <@Andy_J> Now stop trolling, and stop feeding the troll.
[17:11:07] < _krisk_> http://akrabat.com/wp-content/uploads/getting-started-with-the-zend-framework_122.pdf
[17:11:15] < PollTroll> a.) make sure they aren't requesting a restricted file.
[17:11:17] < _krisk_> there, the first couple of pages should explain it perfectly
[17:11:17]  * Andy_J puts foot down.
[17:11:22] < PollTroll> b.) include the file they originally requested
[17:11:55] < PollTroll> I'm not trolling
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[17:12:03] < Barrett> there, happy?
[17:12:07] <+tifreak> Hey Andy_J.. any idea when Atlantis comes back on?
[17:12:11] <@Andy_J> Oh but you are.
[17:12:13] < _krisk_> who is Barrett?
[17:12:13] <@Andy_J> tifreak: No.
[17:12:35] <@Andy_J> Probably not until well after BSG is done.
[17:12:39] <+tifreak> bummer... hate when they leave the characters like they do... :P
[17:12:41] <@Andy_J> Which is still a few months
[17:13:24] <@Andy_J> The SciFi Channel announced that Stargate Atlantis has been renewed for a fifth season, which began production in February, 2008[14] and is scheduled to air in late July or early August, 2008.[15]
[17:13:50] <+tifreak> ah
[17:13:52] <+tifreak> thanks
[17:13:53] < _krisk_> Leofox maybe the wamp apache and mysql services are disabled in windows services.msc?
[17:14:03] <+tifreak> ROFL
[17:14:09] <+tifreak> It just started raining...
[17:14:15] <+tifreak> and my mom is out on a motorcycle... XD
[17:14:24] <+tifreak> and my brother is on his moped... >:D
[17:14:31] <+tifreak> This amuses me greatly
[17:14:40] < _krisk_> Xom is amused.
[17:15:22] <@Andy_J> I'm considering riding my bike in the rain now. But I'm kind of not motivated today
[17:15:40] <+tifreak> yay, batteries for the calc, can get back to working on that sprite compressing...
[17:15:45] < _krisk_> damn I jinxed this balrug escape thing. "You are surrounded by flames. Xom finds this hilarious! You die.."
[17:15:59] <+tifreak> lol krisk
[17:16:51] < _krisk_> apparently it has a ranged cast of fire that stays on me
[17:17:15] < _krisk_> oh well i wasnt finding any good items except weapons anyway
[17:17:33] <+tifreak> I miss playing Medievia...
[17:17:36] < _krisk_> seriously, level 17 and no named ring or armour of any kind
[17:17:39] <+tifreak> that was always such a fun game...
[17:17:45] < _krisk_> normally i find something before level 10
[17:18:06] < _krisk_> i had 8 ridiculously enchanted broad axes though ._.
[17:18:21] < _krisk_> if only i had that many arms
[17:18:25] <+tifreak> lol
[17:19:24] < _krisk_> ooh that reminds me of mortheim, half my warband had additional limb mutations and fury for twice as many attacks per limb
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[17:22:33] < _krisk_> the warband i had before that was much more lulzy though, 6 dark elf chicks with fury one or two extra attacks from experience and dual wielding axes for nice crits. my friends were spending all their gold and exp on fancy upgrades and magic items while i did nothing but add extra attacks and raped everything in melee
[17:23:20] < _krisk_> that was fun, untill one of them changed to a full ranged combat warband
[17:23:47] < _krisk_> rip and tear ftw
[17:25:22] < Nikky> Are you on illegal drugs?
[17:25:38] < _krisk_> not that i know of
[17:28:17] < Leofox> shrooms are evil now it seems
[17:28:36] < _krisk_> illegalisations ;_;
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[17:32:35] <+tifrk|awa> be back shortly :P
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[17:34:37] < DarkAuron> Nikky: Salvia is legal in most states and produces effects far more bizzare than what he just said
[17:35:06] < DarkAuron> and mm, ramen
[17:36:04]  * DarkAuron made two bags of it in one bowl
[17:36:10] < DarkAuron> probably not going to eat anything else today though
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[17:57:42] <@efneTI86> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[17:58:45] < Netham45> god damnit
[17:58:57] < Netham45> after the stupid steam update, half-life is crashing like every 3 minutes. =/
[17:59:06] < Nikky> hmm
[17:59:11] < Nikky> tari is being klined for some reason
[18:03:44] <+KermM> indeedy
[18:04:13] < Nikky> good thing he's lame
[18:07:08] < Barrett> of all of the community voting methods out there, which do you all consider to be the best? (digg, reddit, etc...)
[18:08:20] < Barrett> or would something different be better?
[18:08:21] < Nikky> slashdot
[18:08:33] < Barrett> biased editors post stories?
[18:08:37] < Nikky> yes
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[18:08:46] < Barrett> that's actually probably the best one...
[18:08:53] < Nikky> I agree
[18:08:54] < Barrett> fewer completely ridiculous stories
[18:09:03] < Barrett> although kdawson does a pretty horrible job...
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[18:09:13] < PollTroll> and cum taco
[18:09:15] -!- PollTroll is now known as Barrett
[18:09:47] < Barrett> plus this way I could promote my pro-microsoft/conservative/religious views
[18:09:56] < Nikky> we don't want that
[18:10:01] < Nikky> except for the pro-microsoft
[18:10:04] < Nikky> I'm all for that view
[18:10:19] < Barrett> well, all other sites are anti-MS socialist atheist
[18:10:24] < Barrett> we need to level things out
[18:10:34] < Nikky> never
[18:10:52] <@Grue> ...dang zealots...
[18:10:54] < Nikky> fox noise is for conservative religious viewers
[18:11:30] < Barrett> just like CNN is for socialist atheists, but digg and slashdot are still successful sites
[18:12:02] < Nikky> your targeted audience doesn't use the internet
[18:12:38] < Barrett> I'd say that they read the news on the internet, but they just don't spend hours upon hours voting for their bias and posting comments
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[18:13:27] < Barrett> so if I were to pick the news myself, it could work... the thing with digg is that only the obsessed people look at the upcoming articles and vote for them
[18:13:39] < Barrett> and they are all high school kids
[18:13:48] < Nikky> Hi mib_zs89m!
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[18:13:59] < adam2> hey
[18:14:01] <+KermM> arrrrr.
[18:14:14] < Nikky> pirate
[18:15:02] < Barrett> a community news site geared towards adults is more of what I'm looking for
[18:15:13] < Barrett> adults being 22+
[18:16:51] < Barrett> 22+ and Nikky, of course
[18:16:58] < DarkAuron> lol
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[18:17:08] < Nikky> I'd push articles about socialist themes
[18:17:22] < Barrett> push and pull!!
[18:17:24] < Barrett> good words
[18:17:28] < Barrett> instead of digg and bury
[18:18:51] < Leofox> i never liked digg
[18:18:57] < Nikky> digg sucks
[18:18:57] < Barrett> digg sucks
[18:19:02] < Leofox> I hate how most of the stuff is just links
[18:19:10] < Nikky> LOL FUNNY PICTURE
[18:19:11] < Barrett> it's run by 13 year olds
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[18:19:25] < Leofox> I especially hate it when people link to a digg
[18:19:33] < Leofox> they essentially post the link to a link
[18:20:25] < Nikky> lamer
[18:20:43] < Nikky> Don't feed the trolls?
[18:20:51] < Nikky> Who has been trolling in our fine channel, Andy_J?
[18:21:43] < Barrett> apparently I was trolling when I decided that I didn't want to use a useless framework for stuff that I can accomplish with a total of 20 lines of code or less
[18:21:55] < Nikky> oh really?
[18:21:58] < Nikky> .net does suck
[18:22:03] < Barrett> zend
[18:22:07] < Barrett> or something
[18:22:07] < Nikky> sucks too lol
[18:22:29] < Nikky> zend is php
[18:22:33] < _krisk_> 20 lines of code for all your pages total?
[18:22:36] < Nikky> are you turing towards the noob site?
[18:22:40] < _krisk_> also .net isnt suck
[18:22:41] < Leofox> _krisk_: about your question
[18:22:48] < Leofox> i run php through iis
[18:22:52] < Barrett> _krisk_: 20 lines of code for what zend would give me
[18:22:55] < Leofox> but all the code is made for lamp
[18:23:04] < _krisk_> oh iis vs lamp
[18:23:05] < Leofox> so apparently that means nothing runs on my server
[18:23:11] < _krisk_> yeah thats ugly
[18:23:17] < _krisk_> i dont know anything bout that sorrys
[18:23:45] < Leofox> apparently php for iis is a whole different version
[18:26:13] < _krisk_> if i cared enough about computer stuff i'd be loling that someone things lots of code per page is better than using a framework
[18:26:18] < _krisk_> *thinks
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[18:26:49] < Leofox> I prefer using stuff that already exists
[18:27:04] < Leofox> because it's usually better worked out and tested compared to my own code
[18:27:20] < _krisk_> and that his 20 lines of code make the entire framework solution and zend framework in particular obsolete
[18:27:43] < _krisk_> even though he clearly barely even underrstands what a framework is
[18:28:31] < _krisk_> so i can understand Andy_J smells troll
[18:29:46] < Nikky> Troll
[18:30:06] < Barrett> _krisk_: right... barely.
[18:30:16] < _krisk_> if at all
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[18:32:05] < _krisk_> have some readings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pattern
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[18:32:39] <+tifreak> o.O
[18:33:05] < Barrett> your framework would be an anti-pattern for the site that I will be making
[18:33:49] < _krisk_> its not even an anti-pattern for a single page website, so how is that?
[18:34:22] < Barrett> you are adding tons of overhead to a very simple process
[18:35:22] < _krisk_> you wouldnt be adding overhead
[18:35:46] < _krisk_> Reinventing the wheel: Failing to adopt an existing, adequate solution
[18:35:55] < Barrett> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_overhead
[18:36:03] < _krisk_> lol
[18:36:24] < Barrett> sometimes overhead is good
[18:36:29] < Barrett> in this case it is not
[18:36:36] < Leofox> more like reinventing the square wheel
[18:37:06] < Barrett> _krisk_: it will take about 10 minutes to write all of my multi-use functions
[18:37:16] < _krisk_> so how is the "performance impact" (lol) a negative one with zend framework?
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[18:37:58] < _krisk_> yeah but how ong is it going to take to write and maintain every page of the site?
[18:38:31] < Barrett> I would have to do that anyway
[18:38:39] < Barrett> please do not try to tell me that I won't have to create a website
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[18:38:47] < _krisk_> but to a far lesser exten
[18:38:53] < Barrett> not at all
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[18:39:56] < Barrett> each page will consist of very custom algorithms and text.... those can not be replaced
[18:40:08] < Netham45> damnit
[18:40:13] < Netham45> I'm about to give up on Opera
[18:40:17] < _krisk_> dont get me wrong its entirely possible that using a framework is inapropriate for a website but every time i ask something specific about what would point to such a property you evade the question and repeat something about entirely different matters
[18:40:54] < _krisk_> and what you say really points to very old understandings of web development on a very basic level
[18:41:00] < Barrett> sql queries and formatting..... that's all a website needs to be... there is no need to complicate it
[18:41:10] < _krisk_> see there you do it again
[18:41:18] < _krisk_> that issue is precisely what frameworks improve on
[18:41:33] < Barrett> by further complicating a simple process it simplifies it?
[18:42:00] < Leofox> what is it that you want to do Barrett ?
[18:42:15] < _krisk_> you believe your website suddenly needs to be more than queries and formatting when you use a framework
[18:42:16] < Leofox> the last website I created was basically static
[18:42:25] < Leofox> we couldve made it with just html
[18:42:27] < Leofox> but we didnt
[18:42:40] < _krisk_> the framework actually facilitates in easyer development and maintenance of said queries and "formattnig"
[18:42:44] < Barrett> Leofox: I am just creating a website..... _krisk_ finds it to be very complicated
[18:42:54] < Leofox> instead we made a framework that used a template and pulled pages out of the database
[18:43:06] < Leofox> it turned out to be much easier and flexible in the long run
[18:43:18] < _krisk_> im actually saying it isnt complicated but whatever
[18:43:47] < _krisk_> each and every one of your 'rebuttals' are classic antipatterns dealt with in several dozens of years of scholarly research in software devleopment but whatever
[18:44:11] < Netham45> hehe, rebuttal is a funny word.
[18:44:24] < Leofox> it's funny, I used some of the antipatterns listed on wikipedia
[18:44:35] < Leofox> <netham45> LOL IT SEZ BUTT
[18:44:54] < Leofox> even found some in the university's code
[18:45:02] < Barrett> I don't understand how you can simplify this....... $stuff = sql_query("SELECT stuff FROM thing WHERE id = '$id';");      echo $stuff['name'];
[18:46:07] < Netham45> Leofox, :D
[18:47:16] < Barrett> if I want to change how it looks, I modify the template... none of that needs to be maintained
[18:48:50] < Nikky> _krisk_: Shut up.
[18:48:57] < Nikky> Barrett can kick your ass coding
[18:49:08] < Nikky> And he doesn't need stupid libraries and frameworks to do it either
[18:49:55] < Barrett> thank you Nikky
[18:49:59] < Barrett> this is why Nikky works with me
[18:50:10] < Barrett> for*
[18:51:27] < _krisk_> lol
[18:51:28] < Leofox> Netham45 is a tasty name
[18:51:32] < Leofox> it has ham in it
[18:52:11] <+tifreak> he is the internet ham :P
[18:52:20] < Leofox> ive found a difference between coding like i was used to in the TI community
[18:52:36] < Leofox> and software engineering like i learn in my college courses
[18:52:46] < _krisk_> if he thinks a framework is overkill for his website but has templates, user logins and session management then i can 100% assure you he does not kick my ass in coding anything
[18:53:00] < _krisk_> and no i dont think im any good
[18:53:15] < Leofox> I've found university style coding to be much more dependent on structuring and high level understanding
[18:53:30] < Nikky> yep
[18:53:33] < Leofox> and not TI Basic style OLOLOLOL LET'S OPTIMIZE SO IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP BUT IS 2 BYTES SMALLERS
[18:53:41] < chronomex> YES
[18:53:44] < Nikky> That's called unitedti
[18:53:45] < Barrett> the only two projects that made any sense in any of my university classes were the web crawler and chess
[18:53:51] < Nikky> They love optimizing
[18:54:00] < Leofox> in the A + (K=24) - (K=26) -> A style
[18:54:15] < _krisk_> barret what year are you in?
[18:54:24] < Barrett> junior
[18:54:32] < _krisk_> ok come back when youre almost graduating
[18:54:32] < Leofox> obviously TI basic is limited in that sense
[18:54:39] < Barrett> my gosh shut up
[18:54:41] < _krisk_> youll see im right by then
[18:54:44] < Leofox> what age is junior?
[18:54:45] < Barrett> don't treat me like a kid
[18:55:15] < _krisk_> im not treating you like a kid, in fact im sure you can understand this stuff, i just think youve chosen to refuse to see it so far
[18:55:15] < Nikky> _krisk_ is just angry because he's a 22 year old unemployed bartender
[18:55:15] < Leofox> is that freshman year in highschool?
[18:55:23] < Barrett> <_krisk_> ok come back when youre almost graduating
[18:55:39] < Barrett> that's called condescending and treating someone like a kid based on what year they are in school
[18:55:40] < Nikky> I'd consider the tail end of your junior year as "almost graduating"
[18:55:46] < Leofox> Barrett: he means to say that you need to learn a bit more before you can fully grasp these concepts
[18:55:46] < _krisk_> im inn school too
[18:55:51] < Nikky> high school?
[18:56:14] < _krisk_> i think he can grasp these things but hes doesnt give it a chance yet
[18:56:18] < Barrett> do you honestly think that I've learned most of my coding from school?
[18:56:20] < _krisk_> but later years in college/uni will do that
[18:56:27] < Barrett> junior == later years
[18:56:47] < _krisk_> no, i think youre in a similar situation i was in before my education started to rise to a level where it was actually teaching me things
[18:56:51] < Nikky> School coding is like valid html
[18:57:00] < Nikky> It works, but nobody does it that way
[18:57:12] < Nikky> It seems _krisk_ was brainwashed by java
[18:57:17] < _krisk_> no i dont like java
[18:57:21] < _krisk_> for web dev anyway
[18:57:25] < Nikky> I highly doubt that.
[18:57:28] < _krisk_> why?
[18:57:33] < Nikky> You probably use java for everything.
[18:57:39] < _krisk_> havent touched java in 3 years
[18:58:14] < Leofox> I don't like Java, but it's helpful in understand concepts
[18:58:21] < _krisk_> its nice for learning patterns
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[18:58:30] < Barrett> besides all of the concepts that are important to programming...
[18:58:30] < Leofox> they couldve used any language really.. at least java has a good library and is platform independent
[18:58:33] < Barrett> like memory management...
[18:58:37] < _krisk_> for that i'd say either java or .net
[18:59:03] < Nikky> If we all ignore _krisk_ he'll just go away.
[18:59:24] < Randomist> Oh... I bet I just barely passes the Math on that test...
[18:59:39] < Nikky> Math is optional
[19:00:16] < _krisk_> saw a really nice model based framework in .net a while ago. all you had to do was model a data entity or process in the editor and poof added functionality on the website
[19:00:50] < Randomist> Would have helped if I had figured out how to work the calculator before I took the test.  :P
[19:00:57] < _krisk_> the guy demonstrating it had a fully functioning very userfriendly webshop for cars in less than 15 minutes
[19:01:14] < Nikky> Randomist: Probably.
[19:01:46] < _krisk_> applied research in webdev for the win
[19:01:55] < _krisk_> ooh pool time
[19:01:56] < _krisk_> later
[19:02:03] < Nikky> Thank goodness.
[19:02:14] < _krisk_> that there may be many gothics present when i arrive
[19:02:17] < _krisk_> female
[19:02:18] < _krisk_> pretty ones
[19:02:32] < _krisk_> later leo
[19:02:59] < Barrett> he's kind of like Dwight Schrute... but more annoying...
[19:03:08] < _krisk_> no u
[19:03:22] < Nikky> Barrett: Totally
[19:03:48] < _krisk_> the this man is a pervert pamflets were lulz though
[19:03:58] < Barrett> yes
[19:04:35] < _krisk_> hmm my bus wont go for another 10 minutes
[19:04:37] < _krisk_> bleh
[19:05:03] < _krisk_> Barrett how old are you?
[19:05:06] < Barrett> 22
[19:05:11] < _krisk_> hehe
[19:05:39] < Barrett> s/^2/1/
[19:05:43] < Barrett> 12
[19:05:48] < Nikky> I'm 12 too!
[19:05:58] < Nikky> Want to cross state lines to meet me?
[19:06:04] < _krisk_> how old are you nikky?
[19:06:04] < Barrett> ya!
[19:06:10] < Leofox> age call!
[19:06:11] < Leofox> 18 here
[19:06:20] < Nikky> _krisk_: Why do you want to know?
[19:06:26] < _krisk_> curious
[19:06:32] < Nikky> I'm 26
[19:06:34] < Barrett> and you should really go first
[19:06:47] < _krisk_> because itd be funny if you think im conescending when im actually years younger than you
[19:06:49] < _krisk_> 20
[19:06:49] < Barrett> otherwise it's kind of rude
[19:06:50] < Nikky> And have a masters in Comp. Sci.
[19:07:05] < Barrett> that just makes it worse
[19:07:21] < _krisk_> why multiple master in comp sci?
[19:07:28] < _krisk_> ssssssss
[19:07:29] < Nikky> yeah, _krisk_ probably took java 142 at a local community college and succently thinks that he's amazing at life
[19:07:44] < _krisk_> ive never followed any java classes
[19:07:51] < Leofox> reading this management book takes ages
[19:07:52] < Barrett> heh... is it 142 everywhere? or is that just a coincidence?
[19:08:02] < Nikky> It is here
[19:08:14] < Nikky> there is no CSE 100-141, IIRC
[19:08:18] < Barrett> the intro to programming here is 142... java... horrible class
[19:08:20] < _krisk_> we dont even have numbers for courses anyway
[19:08:25] < Nikky> maybe some "how to turn on your computer lololol" course
[19:08:27] < Barrett> we also have a 124, but it's after 142
[19:08:38] < Barrett> it's machine code (binary), assembly, and C
[19:08:48] < Nikky> _krisk_: Held back in high school?
[19:08:55] < _krisk_> what do the numbers in 142 mean?
[19:09:02] < _krisk_> no i didnt have to redo any years
[19:09:10] < Barrett> that means that it's a freshman year class
[19:09:13] < _krisk_> im in final year of college
[19:09:19] < Nikky> uh-hunh
[19:09:22] < Nikky> sure you are
[19:09:23] < Barrett> and the 42 is just to distinguish from other freshman year CS classes
[19:09:23] < _krisk_> ok so the 1 is first year, 4 and 2 are...?
[19:09:29] < _krisk_> ah
[19:09:32] < chronomex> <Nikky> maybe some "how to turn on your computer lololol" course    <---   that's CSE100 at UW
[19:09:41] < Nikky> dang it
[19:09:47] < Nikky> I knew there was one...
[19:09:51] < chronomex> fail
[19:09:53] < chronomex> :D
[19:09:54] < Nikky> :(
[19:09:56] < _krisk_> sadly only this final year of college actually teaches anything worthwhile
[19:10:04] < _krisk_> but thats how it goes huh
[19:10:17]  * Nikky licks chronomex 
[19:11:37] < _krisk_> what was "s/^2/1/" ?
[19:11:57] < Nikky> http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/05/apparently_my_price_is_20
[19:12:16] < Barrett> oooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk yes.  they honestly didn't teach you regular expressions in your university?
[19:12:59] < _krisk_> hehe now you think youre smarter than me
[19:13:00] < Barrett> come back when you learn those
[19:13:10] < _krisk_> i know a bunch of regex
[19:13:29] < Barrett> but not with perl
[19:13:41] < _krisk_> used some in perl but not much no
[19:13:58] < Barrett> they should really teach you perl
[19:14:06] < Barrett> are you a senior?
[19:14:13] < _krisk_> like i said final year
[19:14:25] < Barrett> yeah... they have failed if they haven't taught you perl
[19:14:26] < _krisk_> but no they really shouldnt, or at least, it doesnt fit with the rest of the material
[19:15:13] < Nikky> I'll bet _krisk_ is really a film studies student
[19:15:15] < Barrett> perl fits with everything
[19:15:22] < _krisk_> hehe
[19:15:26] < Nikky> who wasn't accepted into any other program at his 2 year university
[19:15:40] < _krisk_> well youd get high odds on that bet
[19:15:59] < Nikky> Aren't you supposed to be doing something with goth chicks now?
[19:16:06] < _krisk_> yeah
[19:16:13] < _krisk_> i am supposed to
[19:16:25] < _krisk_> one more minute and i leave for my bus
[19:16:27] < Nikky> Maybe you should do that before we start insulting you.
[19:16:38] < _krisk_> maybe you shouldnt start insulting people
[19:16:52] < _krisk_> then again, do really think anyone in here still takes what you of all people say seriously?
[19:17:26] < _krisk_> i honestly cant imagine anyone in here believing youre a welladjusted person in any way
[19:17:43] < Nikky> Like you are?
[19:17:49] < _krisk_> and ive only ever seen indication of people believing the opposite
[19:17:55] < _krisk_> no but i dont mind either way
[19:18:06] < Nikky> You have weird goth fetishes, act retarded, and basically are a source of amusement.
[19:18:07] < _krisk_> you just come off as believing that you matter somehow
[19:18:24] < _krisk_> then ive accomplished my goals
[19:18:27] < Nikky> And you don't even know perl
[19:18:37] < _krisk_> i know some perl
[19:18:45] < Netham45> I think you're all pathetic.
[19:18:49] < _krisk_> at least enough to interface with a card reader and show some gui program for it
[19:18:58] < _krisk_> well bus is almost here now
[19:18:59] < _krisk_> bb
[19:19:01] < Nikky> I'm sure you can
[19:19:13] < _krisk_> well not any more
[19:19:15] < _krisk_> but i have
[19:19:16] < Nikky> Someone should kick him and see if he has autorejoin :)
[19:19:20] < chronomex> who?
[19:19:26] < _krisk_> i dont have autorejoin
[19:19:36] < Leofox> i only have it when i set the xchat variable
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[19:22:32] < Netham45> hmm, wow, irssi proxy is nice
[19:22:53] < Nikky> irssi proxy ist stupid
[19:23:05] < Netham45> you're stupid.
[19:23:34] < Barrett> is there a maximum length for a valid e-mail address...... the part before the domain name or a combination of the two?
[19:23:41] < chronomex> not that I know of
[19:23:47] < chronomex> read rfc821 and rfc822
[19:24:14] < Barrett> I've always stored e-mail addresses as varchar 250
[19:24:33] < chronomex> that ought to be enough
[19:24:35] < chronomex> for MOST cases
[19:24:37] < Barrett> Of course it would be ridiculous to go over that limit... but if it's possible, it may be a good idea to change it
[19:24:40] < Netham45> that should be long enough, I don't see anyonth having an e-mail that ling.
[19:24:48] < Netham45> anyone*
[19:25:34] < Barrett> The maximum total length of a user name is 64 characters
[19:25:37] < Barrett> The maximum total length of a domain name or number is 64
[19:25:37] < Barrett>                characters.
[19:25:46] < Barrett> that's smtp
[19:25:58] < Netham45> jesus... wow...   
[19:25:59] < Netham45> Posted on May 3, 2008 11:07:02 AM CST by KermMartian | Discuss this article (1)
[19:26:00] < Netham45> Kerm Martian, our erstwhile founder, has advanced to the #12th most downloaded author of all time in the leading community archives, ticalc.org.
[19:26:11] < Nikky> cemetech is so lame
[19:26:32] < Nikky> I'm surprised he didn't get a zealot to post that for him
[19:26:40] < Nikky> usually he does that to avoid being too terribly vain
[19:26:45] < Netham45> heh
[19:27:03] < Nikky> "Kerm has maintained his position as the #1 most prolific graphing calculator of all time"
[19:27:10] < Nikky> He's a graphing calculator?
[19:27:12] < Nikky> What an idiot
[19:27:12] < Barrett> how do you do TI programming for that long?
[19:27:18] < Barrett> I got so impatient with the limitations
[19:27:30] <+tifreak> lol
[19:27:32] < Barrett> not only hardware limitations, but user limitations
[19:27:35] <+tifreak> I still do, just for s&g
[19:27:37] < chronomex> Barrett: but a domain component can be up to 64 chars long according to DNS spec
[19:27:50] < chronomex> so for a 4ld you can have [64].[64].[64].[64]
[19:27:52] < chronomex> etc
[19:28:06] < Barrett> right... subdomains would potentially be able to go over that
[19:28:14] < chronomex> most def
[19:28:44] < Barrett> is there a limit on subdomain length? (each component or a combination of all of them)
[19:29:34] < Barrett> meh... oh well
[19:29:45] < Barrett> if your e-mail address is that long, you deserver to not have an account on any website
[19:29:52] < Netham45> lol
[19:29:52] < Nikky> exactly
[19:29:52] < Barrett> deserve*
[19:30:25] < Nikky> Mitt Romney for pres
[19:30:41] < Barrett> someone told me the other day that I look like him
[19:30:52] < Nikky> nice
[19:31:04] <+tifreak> I think Nikky should be president.
[19:31:24] < Nikky> Too bad I'm a socialist
[19:31:36] < Randomist> You'd work out perfectly, then.
[19:31:41] <+tifreak> so, cant be any worse than the options already up there XD
[19:31:43] < Nikky> For sweden
[19:32:10] <+tifreak> If I tried for presidency, I would be shot within a week :P
[19:32:26] < Randomist> TI put, like, a crapload of apps on this thing... I don't even know what I should delete or not, and I didn't see nothing 'bout them in the manual...
[19:32:42] < Nikky> which ones?
[19:33:57] < Randomist> I deleted all the extra languages except for Spanish, 'cause I don't know what 'Estad Espanol' is yet.   I don't know if I'll ever use CellSheet, Contacts, the Planner, or whatever 'EEPro' is.
[19:34:28] < Netham45> I use the planner sometimes, and notefolio alot.
[19:34:30] < chronomex> 89?
[19:35:06] <@Andy_J> esta'd ... state ... No clue.
[19:35:33] < Netham45> perhaps it's changing the calculators state to spanish?
[19:35:59] < Barrett> estad espanol? that doesn't make any sense
[19:36:06] < Barrett> estad is the imperative form for vosotros
[19:36:16] < Barrett> in which case it would be espanoles
[19:36:22] < Barrett> "all of you be spanish"
[19:36:37] < Netham45> http://www.bustedtees.com/blowme
[19:37:23] < Barrett> and in that case you still wouldn't use estar
[19:37:38] < Barrett> you'd use ser, and it'd be ser
[19:37:40] < Barrett> sed
[19:37:43] < Nikky> Their  "Your Retarded" shirt is much better
[19:38:33] < chronomex> Nikky: sabur has the "Blow Me" tee
[19:38:47] < Nikky> nice
[19:38:49] < Randomist> If linking would work, I would just back it up and delete it.
[19:39:48] < Nikky> No link?
[19:39:51] < Nikky> :(
[19:42:53] <+tifreak> how can you save Hyrule without a link? Sheesh..
[19:42:58] < Randomist> 89(T)'s have memory expansion, don't they ?
[19:43:23] < chronomex> no
[19:43:29] <+tifreak> not to my knowledge.. I dont even think there is a "driver" to use the usb yet..
[19:43:47] < chronomex> I was working on it a while ago
[19:43:54] <+tifreak> oh? cool
[19:44:05] <+tifreak> how goes it?
[19:44:26] < Randomist> Aw.  That would be nice if someone made a USB flash drive thing for the 89s, too.
[19:44:40] < chronomex> haven't touched it in ages
[19:44:42] < Nikky> chronomex: I stole ur projeck
[19:45:03] < Randomist> I almost got an Nspire 'cause they were twelve dollars cheaper than the 89T, but decided not to.
[19:45:10] < chronomex> cheaper?!?
[19:45:22] < Randomist> I couldn't believe that either.
[19:45:25] < Nikky> it was the nspire
[19:45:29] < Nikky> not the nspire cas, right?
[19:46:06]  * Randomist checks.
[19:46:37] < Randomist> No, just the regular Nspire.
[19:46:43] < chronomex> a
[19:47:38] < Barrett> are any companies selling version 2 bluray players yet?
[19:47:54] <@Andy_J> Sony.
[19:47:56] < Barrett> or with an e after the u... I forget which one doesn't have an e
[19:47:58] <@Andy_J> Called the PS3.
[19:48:05] < Barrett> besides that
[19:48:13] <@Andy_J> Nobody, I think.
[19:48:25] < Barrett> is it really already version 2 or is it just upgradable?
[19:48:26] < Netham45> http://www.bustedtees.com/rickrolled
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[19:48:43] <@Andy_J> They do push out software updates over PSN...
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[19:49:33] < Barrett> my understanding has always been that the ps3 is the only 'safe' one because it's also a full-on computer that can be updated, while everything else is just media players
[19:50:07] <@Andy_J> I don't know, I'm never buying anything from Sony ever again, so if that means I never get a proper blu-ray player so be it.
[19:50:50] < Barrett> yeah... most sony stuff is overpriced... but the ps3 is actually pretty close to other bluray players, plus it's a gaming console
[19:51:04] <@Andy_J> ps3 is _cheaper_ than any other blu-ray player
[19:51:06] < Barrett> I just don't think I'll ever play or buy any games for it
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[19:51:17] <@Andy_J> I'm not buying stuff from Sony ever again due to several reasons.
[19:51:24] < Barrett> well, I've seen some going for $300
[19:51:30] <@Andy_J> Microsoft is just generally -bad-, Sony is downright _evil_.
[19:51:39] < Barrett> what did they do?
[19:52:07] <@Andy_J> Several things.
[19:52:14] <@Andy_J> Big one is the rootkit fiasco.
[19:52:24] < chronomex> Andy_J: nice, me too
[19:52:27] <@Andy_J> One could of course blame that on M$ for having a shitty OS, but for once I don't want to.
[19:53:03] < Randomist> On Windows, is there something that will keep track of all the registry keys and files created by an installer and the program it installs, so when I want to remove it, I can just remove all that after running the uninstaller...
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[19:53:13] < Randomist> ...so that no trash is left behind that slows things down over time?
[19:53:22] <@Andy_J> It doesn't work that way.
[19:53:45] < Barrett> a lot of programs like to keep stuff in the registry
[19:54:16] < Netham45> hmm
[19:54:22] < Barrett> (shareware)
[19:54:26] < Netham45> lol, irssiproxy passes ctcp versions
[19:55:47] < Nikky> we don't care
[19:56:25] < mokomull> hmm... I have to agree with Nikky here.
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[20:15:31] < Netham45> mokomull, don't feed the trolls!
[20:16:36] < chronomex> I feed the trolls
[20:17:19] < Nikky> Netham45: Shut up.
[20:18:31] < Netham45> >.>>
[20:20:07] < Nikky> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12972474627 these are so stupid
[20:20:18] < Nikky> half of the groups on facebook are experiements by sociology tards
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[20:25:47] < Barrett> why wasn't imPoll.net used for that poll?
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[20:26:22] < Nikky> because impoll doesn't have cool graphics
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[20:29:22] < Nikky> whores
[20:30:27] < Barrett> wow... the most innocent girl I have ever met (who got married a little under a year ago, and is pregnant) has this as her status on facebook: [name] is trying to remember that "I can do hard things."
[20:30:48] < Barrett> I guarentee that she does not know why it might be funny
[20:30:51] < Nikky> haha
[20:30:59] < Nikky> But she is preggers
[20:31:40] < Nikky> " The student newspaper at Beaverton High School—home of the Beavers—is called The Hummer. It only seems fair."
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[20:59:04] <@efneTI86> [IDL^LordM] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[20:59:54]  * Andy_J slaps IDL^LordMathias|earlypeels around a bit with /anick
[20:59:59] <@Andy_J> Also, fail.
[21:00:11] <@Andy_J> lrn2properly script nicks for different networks
[21:00:52] <+tifreak> lol
[21:01:28] <+tifreak> we should all just point and laugh at him :P
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[21:10:30] < chronomex> first-ever mention of the rickroll on astley's WP article: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rick_Astley&diff=next&oldid=129002506
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[21:14:46] <@efneTI86> [Spengo] En Taro Adun, Executor
[21:15:15] < Spengo> our forces have engaged in battle
[21:19:04] <+ports_> noo
[21:19:11] <+ports_> interweb dont die
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[21:19:16] < Spengo> haha
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[21:36:56] <@efneTI86> [KermM_] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
[21:37:07] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v KermM_] by efneTI81
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[21:53:47] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v ports_] by efneTI80, efneTI85
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[22:13:32] <@efneTI86> [DSPLord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
[22:13:40] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v DSPLord] by efneTI80
[22:14:08] <+DSPLord> there, happy now Andy_J?
[22:14:15] < tifreak52> no
[22:14:16] < tifreak52> never
[22:14:23] <+DSPLord> you sush
[22:14:24] <@Andy_J> :p
[22:14:38] < tifreak52> no, I am his "no, never" guy.. :P
[22:15:32] < tifreak52> too quiet.. :/
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[22:19:09] < tifreak52> yay, a decently fun game in basic for the 83+ to approve... :)
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[22:22:16] < The_Storm> cool
[22:26:30] < Barrett> meteor dash?
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[22:27:48] < tifreak52> yeah
[22:28:00] < tifreak52> kind of amusing.. more so than most of the stuff approved over the last few weeks
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[22:29:00] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v tifreak] by efneTI86
[22:29:00] < The_Storm> cool I have to try it out
[22:31:46] <+tifreak> yeah, can't be like nikky and just randomly approve/delete files... actually got to check them ;)
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[22:34:37] < The_Storm> lol
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[22:40:15] <@efneTI86> [KermM] http://www.cemetech.net :: Leading The Way to the Future
[22:40:26] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v KermM] by efneTI81
[22:40:43] <+KermM> hey again
[22:45:43] < Barrett> which browsers don't support png (alpha) transparency by default without any crazy scripting?
[22:45:51] < Barrett> or pngs at all
[22:53:05] <+KermM> IE
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[22:53:13] <+KermM> <7
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[22:57:38] < _krisk_> wuuu
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[22:58:33] < _krisk_> lo
[22:58:45] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v ports_] by efneTI92
[23:00:19] <+tifreak> 'lo
[23:00:27] < _krisk_> hey
[23:00:31] < _krisk_> sup ? :)
[23:00:48] <+tifreak> playin sudoku, takin a break from pokemon
[23:00:49] <+tifreak> u?
[23:01:10] < _krisk_> just got home from boring pool/billiards
[23:01:23] <+tifreak> lol
[23:01:32] < _krisk_> ran into alt peoples from highschool though : )
[23:02:15] <+tifreak> heh
[23:02:24] < _krisk_> theyre cool
[23:02:32] < _krisk_> gonna call me soon to hang out again
[23:02:33] < _krisk_> yay
[23:02:34] <+tifreak> sudoku can be.. challenging...
[23:02:36] <+tifreak> lol
[23:07:14] < _krisk_> no gothics though : (
[23:07:31] < Barrett> that's an odd thing to find attractive...
[23:07:39] < _krisk_> what is?
[23:07:45] < Barrett> gothicness
[23:08:00] < _krisk_> well the way i see it pretty girls are still pretty if theyre gothic
[23:08:18] < _krisk_> and those i like extra because they tend to be my type and it looks exiting
[23:08:18] < Barrett> and also even if they aren't
[23:08:54] < _krisk_> they tend to fit me personality wise : )
[23:08:59] < _krisk_> and i think its exiting
[23:09:01] < _krisk_> and cute
[23:09:16] < _krisk_> kind of like how some guys like blond hair
[23:10:28] < Barrett> I suppose that makes about as much sense as me hoping to see girls at the datacenter
[23:10:36] < Barrett> when I go on monday to install a BBU
[23:10:37] <+tifreak> lol
[23:10:40] < _krisk_> hehe
[23:10:52] < _krisk_> well its just a quirk of mine, not sure if it should make sense
[23:12:33] < Barrett> the last time I was at the datacenter, the only female that I saw was a sales person
[23:12:51] < _krisk_> hmm
[23:13:11] < _krisk_> i actually saw a gothic at a subcollege level education thing for comp sci
[23:13:17] < _krisk_> but she pwasnt pretty
[23:13:54] < Ox40> :(
[23:14:19] < Ox40> Most goth girls are hot...
[23:14:25] < _krisk_> yes!
[23:14:27] < Ox40> _krisk_: I agree with you
[23:14:31] < _krisk_> wooo
[23:14:36] < Barrett> what the heck
[23:14:38] < Ox40> "they tend to fit me personality wise : )"
[23:14:43] < _krisk_> goth/metal chicks wooo
[23:15:00] < Ox40> Not like... fishnet tho..
[23:15:02] < Ox40> those are nasty...
[23:15:05] < _krisk_> jup
[23:15:10] < Ox40> but... baggy black pants... mmmmm ;)
[23:15:14] < _krisk_> <3
[23:15:25] < _krisk_> fishnets can be hot on some
[23:15:41] < _krisk_> but it tends to correlate with overdoing the whole thing and it not looking nice blablabla
[23:16:26] < Ox40> yep
[23:16:43] < Ox40> I am also not a fan of the whole ginormous eye makeup thing..
[23:16:49] < Ox40> like... the spikes above and below...
[23:16:57] < _krisk_> spikes?
[23:17:00] < Ox40> eeew... My last gf was semi goth...
[23:17:05] < _krisk_> i like the black eyeliner/eyeshadow/idontknow thing
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[23:17:13] < Ox40> yeah, thats hot
[23:17:14] < Ox40> but...
[23:17:17] < Ox40> (-)
[23:17:28] < Ox40> \/
[23:17:35] < Ox40> thing (-) == eye
[23:17:41] < Ox40> \/ == makeup
[23:17:47] < _krisk_> oh like drawings around it and stuff?
[23:17:52] <+tifreak> (.Y.) are sometimes important... :P
[23:17:59] < _krisk_> <3
[23:18:20] < _krisk_> http://www.freedigitalphotos.net/image/s_gothic1.jpg
[23:18:22] < _krisk_> thats a NO
[23:18:42] < Ox40> Yeah, noooo
[23:18:50] <+DSPLord> she sure has a pretty mouth
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[23:18:58] < Ox40> I was going to say that
[23:19:03] < Ox40> thought it would sound creepy tho
[23:19:04] <+tifreak> lol
[23:19:12] < Ox40> ;)
[23:19:17] <+DSP_Lord> \o/
[23:19:21] < Ox40> hehe
[23:19:55]  * Ox40 digs up some ex pictures
[23:20:03] < _krisk_> :O
[23:20:14] < Ox40> not SEX pictures... ex girlfriend pictures ;)
[23:20:44] < _krisk_> :O
[23:21:04] <+DSP_Lord> show us NAO >_>
[23:21:15] < Ox40> lol
[23:21:24] < _krisk_> woot found a YES
[23:21:24] < _krisk_> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/109/282915350_55d85866d7.jpg
[23:21:34] <+tifreak> yes... DSP_Lord needs sex ed pics... 
[23:21:43] < _krisk_> many are do not want though
[23:22:00] < Ox40> OH GOD.... 
[23:22:00] <+DSP_Lord> oy, tifreak
[23:22:01] <+DSP_Lord> sush
[23:22:05] < _krisk_> gonna have to check out this club in amsterdam soon
[23:22:06] <+tifreak> lol
[23:22:08] < Randomist> Looks like a chick at my school.
[23:22:16] < Ox40> I didnt tell you... her sister looks EXACTLY like her, except she is a freshmen how (im a senior)....
[23:22:20] < Ox40> hawwwttt
[23:22:33] < _krisk_> yeah i may move to the us for goth chicks
[23:22:40] <+tifreak> hahaha
[23:22:43] < Ox40> _krisk_: I wouldnt hit that.... ;)
[23:22:57] < _krisk_> ?
[23:23:13] < Ox40> the pic you posted
[23:23:19] < _krisk_> oh i dont know
[23:23:25] < _krisk_> hard to find nice ones with google search quickly
[23:23:32] < _krisk_> i could dump my pron folder but meh
[23:23:46] <+tifreak> haha
[23:23:56] < Ox40> lol
[23:23:58] < _krisk_> if the above pic isnt internet disease then i suppose i would
[23:24:14] < Ox40> founnnd onneee
[23:24:16] < _krisk_> short hair though ;_;
[23:24:30] < _krisk_> wait wasnt your ex a redhead
[23:24:34] < _krisk_> or was that someone else in here
[23:24:49] < _krisk_> or have i been dreaming up vague fake memories of chats
[23:24:52] < Ox40> fake redhead
[23:24:53] < Ox40> for a while
[23:24:55] < _krisk_> :O
[23:25:00] < Ox40> lol
[23:25:15] < Ox40> This is the one I found quickest... http://ox40.us/jr1.jpg
[23:25:23] < Randomist> What's Cabri Geometry for and do I really need it?
[23:25:26] < _krisk_> i remember because i was talking about a chick i see in the bus sometimes here and you said the discription sounded like your ex
[23:25:43] < Randomist> Huge-ass app.
[23:25:49] < Ox40> She's blonde in that pic tho...
[23:25:58] < _krisk_> yeah ok
[23:26:46] < _krisk_> i like kind of sorta alt grunge not gothic too though
[23:26:59] < Ox40> yeah, that pic at least
[23:27:13] < Ox40> check this out http://Ox40.us/jr2.jpg
[23:27:17] < _krisk_> maybe tuesday ill say hi to this girl
[23:27:25] < _krisk_> :O
[23:27:35] < Ox40> :D
[23:28:08] < _krisk_> who is very cute but i dont know her and have been meaning to say hi for long long time but keep missing her at the place she works and when she is there im afraid D:
[23:28:24] < Ox40> lol
[23:28:39] < _krisk_> but she isnt really goth though more gruny alt hippie thing something normal
[23:28:40] <+tifreak> be afraid! be very afraid!
[23:28:46] <+tifreak> :P
[23:28:58] < Ox40> I just went up to this girl one day at lunch freshmen year. She was a sophomore. I just got up and sat down next to her.......
[23:29:02] < Ox40> ;)
[23:29:30] < _krisk_> well i saw her at my highschool once but back then i wasnt really looking
[23:29:44] < Ox40> :P
[23:29:50] < Ox40> ooh, check this out... it's her sister: http://ox40.us/jr3.jpg
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[23:30:16] < _krisk_> so then i suddenly saw her on the bus to college a year or two ago and was like ! :O 
[23:30:38] < _krisk_> :o
[23:31:15] < _krisk_> saw a couple of times there meaning to say like hey didnt you go to blablaschool what do you do now did you know blablapeoples etc but she always has music on and im a pussy
[23:31:28] <+tifreak> lol
[23:31:34] < _krisk_> so i recently saw her working behind the register at this shop nearby and have been meaning to say hi there
[23:31:45] <+tifreak> then go do it! :P
[23:32:18] < _krisk_> keep missing her untill monday but then there was a huge line and she was busy and very cute<3 and the product i needed was sold out and she was cute and im a pussy D:
[23:32:35] <+tifreak> you poor thing :P
[23:33:00] < _krisk_> if she's there tuesday ill say hi even if my product isnt there yet, in fact ill complain to her ha! >:[
[23:33:12] < _krisk_> and then ask her out :O
[23:33:20] <+tifreak> no you won't XD
[23:33:23] < _krisk_> and then either get laughed at or hear she already has someone
[23:33:24] <+tifreak> We know better :P
[23:33:26] < _krisk_> yeah or i wont
[23:33:27] < _krisk_> D:
[23:34:24] <+tifreak> eeeeww, steak does not taste so good the second time around >.<
[23:34:34] < _krisk_> or maybe the alt girl i just spoke to who would call me about hanging out with the ol' highschool gang might call sooner and i can ask her if she knows that girl
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[23:37:04] < _krisk_> however
[23:37:12] < _krisk_> if i do say hi and stuff im gonna have to ask who da man
[23:37:30] <+tifreak> lol
[23:40:38] < _krisk_> http://www.freewebs.com/twiggxx/web%20gallery/summer%202007/large/showpic.php.jpg
[23:40:41] < _krisk_> so very yes
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[23:41:30] < _krisk_> http://www.freewebs.com/twiggxx/web%20gallery/MISC%20photos/large/IMG_0280copy.jpg
[23:41:54] < Randomist> http://helleana.deviantart.com/art/Demon-28364641
[23:42:45] <+tifreak> wow... that is some blue hair... :o
[23:42:51] < _krisk_> <3
[23:43:13] <+tifreak> lol
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[23:43:22] <@efneTI86> [prime38] I’ve used one adjective to describe myself. What is it?
[23:43:46] < Barrett> prime38: one
[23:46:21] < DarkAuron> shopped
[23:46:30] < prime38> one what?
[23:46:41]  * Randomist goes off to look for a sexy demon chick to replace the one on his desktop.
[23:46:46] < Barrett> it's the only adjective in the whole infoline
[23:46:57]  * _krisk_ direct Randomist to google "scar13"
[23:47:06] < prime38> ah, but not what that is refering to
[23:47:16] < prime38> its a quote from arrested development
[23:47:37] < prime38> and the adjective is "professionsl"
[23:47:46] < prime38> i mean "professional"
[23:47:58] < DarkAuron> professionsl is an interesting word
[23:48:14] < prime38> umm guys, where is brandonw
[23:48:25] < Barrett> !seen BrandonW
[23:48:27] < DarkAuron> !seen BrandonW
[23:48:28] <@efneTI86> BrandonW (~calcmaste@24-158-198-153.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 17 days, 18 hours, 5 minutes ago stating ().
[23:48:31] <@efneTI86> BrandonW (~calcmaste@24-158-198-153.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 17 days, 18 hours, 5 minutes ago stating ().
[23:48:33] < prime38> did he say he was leaving or something?
[23:48:34] < _krisk_> http://www.mrrush.com/gallery/gothtartbig.jpg
[23:48:35] < _krisk_> lulz
[23:48:40] < DarkAuron> we should call him
[23:48:50] < Randomist> lol
[23:48:52] < prime38> YA!
[23:48:54] < prime38> i forgot
[23:48:58] < prime38> we hav his number
[23:49:15] < DarkAuron> I'll call him.
[23:49:24] < prime38> ok, let us know what happens!
[23:49:27] < DarkAuron> k
[23:49:38] < DarkAuron> riiiing
[23:51:36] <+tifreak> ...
[23:53:03] < Barrett> wow... BrandonW's resume looks a lot better than mine (visually)
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[23:53:54] < Barrett> are any of the MS Office programs more geared towards creating a resume than Word?
[23:54:19] <+tifreak> dunno.. I use openoffice.org
[23:54:50] <+tifreak> it does not seem to have a resume wizard though..
[23:55:07] <@E-JL> if resume is same as cv, i used oo.o too
[23:55:31] < prime38> CV's are retarded
[23:55:54] <@E-JL> cv is good way to get a job
[23:56:07] <@E-JL> real job, not macdonalds job
[23:56:20] < prime38> a recent college grad doesnt need a CV
[23:56:26] < prime38> nor have enough to put on it
[23:57:32] <@E-JL> i haven't yet graduated from university but still my cv is 2 pages long
[23:57:46] < prime38> but, i am not considering resumes and CVs the same
[23:58:57] < prime38> resume is good for formal education, and job history
[23:59:28] < prime38> CV is more for personal things, personal goals, awards and achievements
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