--- Log opened Wed Apr 09 00:00:00 2008
[00:01:26] < BrandonW> Alright, first pass through the source complete.
[00:01:35] < Sir_Lewk> actually, once I got it booting, setting up the router crap was very pleasant
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[00:04:00] < Sir_Lewk> everything just made sense
[00:04:06]  * Sir_Lewk glares at Fedora
[00:04:15] < Randomist> Fedora sucks blals.
[00:05:50] < Sir_Lewk> it's a pain to set it up as a router
[00:06:11] <+i_c-Y> its really not, as its point and click in CentOS, id figure its just as point and click in Fedora.
[00:06:22] < Sir_Lewk> Debian was better (besides the iptables crap) but Gentoo is just nice
[00:06:57] < Sir_Lewk> my real issue with Fedora/CentOS is their network interface config thingy (system-config-network)
[00:07:17] < Sir_Lewk> it's cool for a desktop system but it's just annoying from the CLI
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[00:07:33] < Randomist> Why not just have just compiled your own custom iptables/kernel in Debian?
[00:07:52] < Sir_Lewk> iptables is there, it just doesn't have a init script
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[00:08:00] < Randomist> Steal one?
[00:08:02] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Ben_O] by Remius, efneTI85
[00:08:02] <+i_c-Y> write one.
[00:08:04] < Sir_Lewk> which baffles me, apparently they like it that way
[00:08:46] <+i_c-Y> i think you're supposed to use /etc/network/interface on debian
[00:08:53] < Sir_Lewk> yup
[00:08:58] < Sir_Lewk> sounds right
[00:09:15] < Sir_Lewk> wait, you mean for iptables?
[00:10:10] <+i_c-Y> yes.
[00:10:16] < Sir_Lewk> oh
[00:10:19] < Sir_Lewk> weird
[00:10:20] <+i_c-Y> or do it in /etc/networ/if-up.d
[00:10:24] <+i_c-Y> its not that weird.
[00:10:55] < Sir_Lewk> every other distro I've seen just has /etc/init.d/iptables
[00:11:16] <+i_c-Y> so?
[00:11:29] < Sir_Lewk> so at the very least it is unusual
[00:11:40] <+i_c-Y> i suppose if you really want to be a bitch about it, just suck it up and go use shorewall.
[00:11:42] < Sir_Lewk> I would describe it even as "strange"
[00:11:48] < Sir_Lewk> shorewall?
[00:12:00] <+i_c-Y> yes. shorewall.
[00:12:13] <+i_c-Y> they bill themselves as "iptables made easy"
[00:12:18] < Sir_Lewk> I'll look into it
[00:12:38] <+i_c-Y> and the debian package maintainer still uses an init script for it.
[00:12:47] <+i_c-Y> for people too pansy to do it the debian right way.
[00:12:55] <@Nikky> pansy
[00:13:15] < Sir_Lewk> when it comes to debian, I suppose I am
[00:14:47] <+chronomex> <-- not a debian pansy
[00:14:55] <@Andy_J> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ErbVOfvqw
[00:15:11] < BrandonW> I'm trying to find the secret MirageOS include files Michael once sent me and made me swear never to release...
[00:15:26] < BrandonW> I know it's around here somewhere...
[00:15:40]  * Randomist hides from another YouTube video.
[00:16:17]  * Randomist ROFLs.
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[00:20:05] <@efneTI86> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[00:20:46]  * Randomist goes to stab Opera, then remember that it's Adobe's fault.
[00:22:12] < Randomist> "* Javacat curls up onto Zetes lap and crys / Randomist cries because Opera crashed. / <Javacat> Randomist: we should go cry at a discoteque."
[00:24:15] < Randomist> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeuEMeg8eQE
[00:24:58] < BrandonW> I'd like to see a "Where are they now?" on the hopping black bartender from the Rick Astley video.
[00:25:06] < BrandonW> Or the girl, or the twirling blonde guy, or any of them, really.
[00:27:37] <@E-J> !t Welcome to #TCPA | http://tcpa.calcg.org/
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[00:27:59] <@E-J> <sleep>
[00:28:13] < Randomist> I think that's the shortest topic I've ever seen TCPA have.
[00:28:19] <+i_c-Y> BrandonW: wiki gives you some info on the bartender.
[00:28:33] < BrandonW> Link me up.
[00:29:03] <+i_c-Y> A bartender played by Clive Clarke [2] has a notable presence in the video, as his behavior gradually shifts from casually noticing Astley's singing to being fully engrossed in the song with energetic acrobatic moves
[00:29:09] <+i_c-Y> the [2] is to his youtube page.
[00:29:15] <+i_c-Y> looks like hes a choreographer.
[00:29:24]  * Randomist swims back though a mess of IRC channel windows, and wonder why the hell he has so many open to begin with.
[00:31:21]  * BrandonW wonders when Randomist will stop using /me.
[00:31:43] < BrandonW> It's just a disguise for you to tell us your every move, which we don't care about.
[00:32:06] <+i_c-Y> yeah, go put that on your blag
[00:32:13] < Randomist> I thoght my client was supposed to be stripping those out.
[00:32:28] <+Tari_> hehe, interblag
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[00:33:24] <+i_c-Y> nggyu isnt a bad song though.
[00:33:39] < BrandonW> Turning things into acronyms is not cool.
[00:33:53] < Randomist> There are way too many of those.
[00:34:35] <@Andy_J> If you think acronyms are bad, never get into music games.
[00:34:36] <+i_c-Y> it comes up often enough that i should.
[00:34:41] <+i_c-Y> lol DDR.
[00:34:49] <@Andy_J> lol ddr indeed
[00:34:50] <+i_c-Y> however whenever osmeone mentions that, i think of RAM.
[00:34:52] <+i_c-Y> :-/
[00:35:10] <+i_c-Y> some more context and it clicks in
[00:35:27] < BrandonW> Andy_J, I intend to never do that.
[00:36:39] <+i_c-Y> the only reason why ive ever played ddr before college was because girls were like "cmon jon, come with me to ddr night"
[00:36:43] <+i_c-Y> and im like kay
[00:36:48] <+i_c-Y> then we have to play :-/
[00:36:59] < BrandonW> haha, your name's Jon.
[00:37:09] < BrandonW> We learn a little more every day.
[00:37:18] < BrandonW> Soon we'll find your place of residence and kill you.
[00:37:24] <+i_c-Y> and the nights didnt always end with sex. 
[00:37:32] <+i_c-Y> my residence is Cooper Union.
[00:37:37] <+i_c-Y> i thought you guys already knew that.
[00:37:45] < BrandonW> Not the exact place.
[00:37:47] < BrandonW> Nor your name.
[00:37:51] < BrandonW> Or any way to look you up.
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[00:38:48] <+i_c-Y> i should get a ps2
[00:39:50] <+i_c-Y> besides, im not well hidden enough on IRC to not be detected.
[00:40:01] <+i_c-Y> as someone did find out who i am a few days ago.
[00:40:04] < Cricket_B> icy U
[00:40:14] <+i_c-Y> must have been my charismatic personality.
[00:41:25] <+i_c-Y> so
[00:41:32] <+i_c-Y> has anyone listened to subatomicglue?
[00:41:40] < Cricket_B> You're Randomist?
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[00:42:03]  * Randomist hums quizically.
[00:42:10]  * Tari stabs Randomist 
[00:42:30]  * Randomist shrugs.
[00:42:40] <+i_c-Y> no, im not.
[00:42:43] <+i_c-Y> Randomist is scott.
[00:42:47] <+i_c-Y> hey Sir_Lewk 
[00:42:58] <+i_c-Y> /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz
[00:43:04] <+i_c-Y> for debian.
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[00:43:21] < Sir_Lewk> ah, cool
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[00:44:06] <+i_c-Y> the only thing i miss about highschool was that there were a lot more chicks.
[00:44:21] < Sir_Lewk> yeah :)
[00:44:43] < Sir_Lewk> although they all remembered me chasing them around in elementary school with bugs ;)
[00:44:48]  * Randomist wonders if there's a site full of eight-bit versions of modern songs.
[00:44:59] < Sir_Lewk> I'm sure
[00:45:02] <+i_c-Y> google for chiptunes.
[00:45:12] <+i_c-Y> or a midi generator program
[00:46:45]  * Randomist grumbles at DeviantART's developers for not making it work in Opera.
[00:46:49] < Randomist> * correctly
[00:47:54] < Barrett> why does the STL stack not like using my class as its contained object(s)?
[00:47:56] <+i_c-Y> you could also use pacpl too probably
[00:48:29] <+i_c-Y> how did you declare your stack?
[00:48:43] < Barrett> stack<Move> moves;
[00:48:52] <+i_c-Y> does Move have copy and assignment?
[00:49:00] <+i_c-Y> (ie is it assignable?)
[00:49:02] < Barrett> nope, required?
[00:49:15] <+i_c-Y> i believe so. check the sgi page on stl
[00:49:31] <+i_c-Y> /sgistl stack<T,Sequence>
[00:49:34] <+i_c-Y> http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/stack.html
[00:50:10] <+i_c-Y> look under type requirements.
[00:50:18] < Barrett> geh... in that case I'll just make my own container
[00:50:33] < Barrett> I hate making copy and assignment operators
[00:50:41] < Barrett> too much memory stuff to deal with (we can't have any leaks)
[00:50:45] < Randomist> This is pretty cool (does not work in Opera): http://www.chiptune.com/ 
[00:51:00] < tr1p1ea> ahh good ol chiptune
[00:51:57] < Barrett> wait... could the stack just store pointers?
[00:52:12] < tr1p1ea> (that does actually work in opera)
[00:53:22] < Randomist> For me, it doesn't load.  Just a little patch of white comes up, and the cursor changes.
[00:53:59] < Barrett> would this be a stack of pointers or a pointer to a stack?    stack<Move> * moves;
[00:53:59] < tr1p1ea> what version of opera are you using?
[00:54:16] < Randomist> 9.50 (No choice:  Flash won't work in any version less.)
[00:54:43] < tr1p1ea> ..
[00:54:54] <+i_c-Y> you can make a stack of pointers as stac<stuff *>
[00:55:16] < Barrett> sweetness
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[00:55:21] <+i_c-Y> youd need a container though
[00:55:27] < Randomist> At least not on Linux.
[00:55:31] < Barrett> a container for what?
[00:55:40] <+i_c-Y> like stack<const char *, vector<const char *>> mystack; then start pushing stuff in.
[00:55:49] <+i_c-Y> a container to store the pointers.
[00:55:57] < Barrett> isn't that what a stack does?
[00:56:22] <+i_c-Y> its a specialized container in stl
[00:56:27] <+i_c-Y> actualy you might not need the second argument in that
[00:56:51] < Barrett> because I know that you can have a stack of ints... why would it be any more difficult to have a stack of pointers?
[00:57:17] <+i_c-Y> it shouldnt.
[00:57:29] <+i_c-Y> just try stack<char *> x or whatever.
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[01:01:24] < Barrett> my boss did this same project a few years ago (Chess)... and during the summer we are both going to alter our programs to be able to play against each other over the network
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[01:02:01] <+i_c-Y> why not just edit one and let it play 
[01:02:01] <+patz2009> We've known each other for so long...
[01:02:34] <+Tari> wait, what?
[01:03:50] < Barrett> i_c-Y: that wouldn't be as fun
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[01:40:30] < prime38> rain!
[01:46:45] <+chronomex> no, it's not raining
[01:46:49] <+chronomex> sorry prime38
[01:47:10] <+i_c-Y> it is in flight simulator
[01:47:15] <+chronomex> ok
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[01:47:17] <+chronomex> where?
[01:47:18] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] Hail to the king baby!
[01:47:25] <+i_c-Y> seattle
[01:47:27] <+chronomex> elvis? where?
[01:47:33] <@Nikky> man, seattle
[01:47:36] <@Nikky> what a great city
[01:47:40] <+chronomex> *looks outside*
[01:47:44] <+chronomex> no, just overcast
[01:47:48] < BrandonW> Unbelievable...I just rebuilt the MirageOS source from the 8XK.
[01:47:50] < BrandonW> Now to clean it up.
[01:47:52] <@Nikky> yeah, it's not raining here
[01:47:53] <+chronomex> was raining earlier today
[01:47:59] <+chronomex> BrandonW: :O
[01:48:03] <@Nikky> early early
[01:48:12] <+chronomex> well I was out in it :)
[01:48:30] <+chronomex> it's amazing how fast homework goes when you aren't distracted
[01:48:33] < BrandonW> I'm going to have to go through and completely understand it 100% and change all the hard-coded addresses before I can start really organizing it.
[01:48:34] <+chronomex> I've forgotten that
[01:48:42] < BrandonW> 12,000 lines as-is.
[01:48:42]  * Nikky licks chronomex
[01:49:05] <+chronomex> but my back was killing me so I had to take a break :\
[01:50:17] < BrandonW> I'm just absolutely amazed that worked.
[01:50:21] < BrandonW> I think I tried it long ago and had to give up.
[01:53:38] < BrandonW> Get excited, people...finally a new version of MirageOS.
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[01:54:22] < BrandonW> Aren't you excited, Randomist?!
[01:54:37] < Randomist> About what, and is this something bad?
[01:54:47] <+i_c-Y> no. BrandonW rebuilt MirageOS
[01:54:49] < BrandonW> A new version of MirageOS! You call that bad?!
[01:54:58] < BrandonW> Damn it, i_c-Y...
[01:54:59] < prime38> what are you going to change in it?
[01:55:02] < BrandonW> Why ruin it?
[01:55:04] < Randomist> Oh.  Yay.
[01:55:12] <+i_c-Y> why mess with perfection?
[01:55:13] < BrandonW> I'm going to finish what they intended to do with 1.3.
[01:55:23] < BrandonW> I'll have them review and sanction it first.
[01:55:30] < Randomist> What are you adding/fixing?
[01:55:42] < BrandonW> I'm still in the process of rebuilding it.
[01:55:47] < BrandonW> And organizing it.
[01:55:56] < BrandonW> I'm not even sure what they were going to do with it.
[01:55:59] <+chronomex> organism is good for programs
[01:56:00] < BrandonW> Anything you ever read on a forum.
[01:56:22] < BrandonW> This is a large proejct.
[01:56:24] < BrandonW> project.*
[01:56:27] < BrandonW> Everyone's going to have to beta test.
[01:56:34] < BrandonW> It needs to be perfection before it's released.
[01:56:43] < BrandonW> I'll take all suggestions.
[01:56:49] < prime38> i think i read that they wanted to incorporate microsoft office 2007 compatability
[01:56:53] < Randomist> Guess I better not sell my calculator just yet.
[01:56:54] < BrandonW> But you have to keep in mind, the app is just about OUT of space.
[01:56:58] < prime38> opening and editing files
[01:56:59] <+i_c-Y> bridge in DoorsCS code. 
[01:57:06] < Randomist> EW.
[01:57:09] <+chronomex> hahaha
[01:57:24] <+i_c-Y> hm. actually, i had a complaint about MirageOS, just in case if anyone found the source written down somewhere.
[01:58:07] < Randomist> I bet BrandonW could not clean-up DCS.  :P
[01:58:13] < Randomist> I don't think anyone could do that.
[01:58:16] < Randomist> 'Tis impossible.
[01:58:18] < BrandonW> I did disassemble it once.
[01:58:45] <+i_c-Y> i doubt that could have turned out well, considering he runs his AI cluster on PHP and mysql.
[01:58:51] <+i_c-Y> among other things.
[01:58:58] <+chronomex> lol "ai cluster"
[01:58:59] < prime38> BrandonW: for going through all the trouble of getting it approved, you should have asked them for the source
[01:59:12] <+i_c-Y> chronomex: it reads wikipedia 
[01:59:15] <+chronomex> prime38: doesn't exist
[01:59:18] < BrandonW> Do you pay attention at all?
[01:59:21] < prime38> no
[01:59:22] < BrandonW> They lost the working source.
[01:59:24] < prime38> oh
[01:59:30] <+i_c-Y> and if you IM it with like niggastolemybike it replies with something racist back.
[01:59:31] < BrandonW> This NEEDS to be done.
[01:59:44] <+chronomex> i_c-Y: what's the IM?
[01:59:47] <+i_c-Y> simmsai
[01:59:51] <+chronomex> k
[01:59:54] < prime38> who is the one who lost the source?
[02:00:26] <+i_c-Y> BrandonW: you've been repeating "they've lost the working source" for atleast a year and a half. i think thats the earliest reference in my logs of that or something similar. most of us get the point :)
[02:00:27] <+chronomex> i_c-Y: AIM right?
[02:00:30] <+i_c-Y> yeah
[02:00:31] <+chronomex> it seems to be offline
[02:00:52] < BrandonW> i_c-Y, do YOU pay attention? I was explaining it to prime38, who hasn't seen it.
[02:01:29] <+i_c-Y> yes. i know. that was in reference to a comment you made a few hours earlier, but i dont feel like scrolling back and copying and pasting that comment.
[02:01:34] <+i_c-Y> since you hate that so much.
[02:01:47] < BrandonW> I don't you care what I hate or don't hate.
[02:01:51] < BrandonW> doubt*
[02:02:00] <+i_c-Y> oh i care so much.
[02:02:03] <+i_c-Y> so much that it hurts.
[02:02:21] <+i_c-Y> !t Welcome to #TCPA | http://tcpa.calcg.org/ | BrandonW made a build of MirageOS!
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[02:02:33] < BrandonW> Okay, it's not THAT important.
[02:02:36] < BrandonW> It's going to take time.
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[02:06:22] < BrandonW> It's going to take time to get to the point where I can recompile it with any change and it still works.
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[02:08:53] < Randomist> Did I get kicked?
[02:09:03] <+i_c-Y> no. would you like to be?
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[02:13:16] <+i_c-Y> anyone have a circuit or something for going from ntsc to atsc? (yes i know the government is doing stuff like this, but are there any on the market yet?)
[02:13:29] < Randomist> i_c-Y:   You're probably gonna end up doing it, anyway.
[02:13:46] <+i_c-Y> so is that yes or no?
[02:14:46] < Randomist> You're the overlord.  Your choice,
[02:14:48] < Randomist> * ,
[02:18:09] < prime38> i_c-Y: you mean a converter box?
[02:18:16] < prime38> yea they are out there
[02:18:33] <+i_c-Y> i know the boxes should be out there, but the plans for one.
[02:21:53] <+i_c-Y> hm. doesnt look like building one is too easy, atleast not without a fpga or something
[02:24:02] < prime38> that's going to be your best bet
[02:26:02] < BrandonW> I'm going to develop carpel tunnel from this.
[02:26:07] < BrandonW> But it's worth it.
[02:26:54] < Randomist> No comment.  :P
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[02:27:33] < prime38> isnt there some small script you can write to do this for you?
[02:27:42] < BrandonW> Not for some things.
[02:28:02] < prime38> shame
[02:28:06] < Randomist> I don't think you're supposed to say 'scripts' around BrandonW.
[02:28:21] < BrandonW> They have their purpose, and that's it.
[02:28:28] < prime38> i dont think you are supposed to say things in #tcpa
[02:28:46] < Randomist> Unless they're intelligent and well thought-out.
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[02:29:02] < Randomist> To y'all's standards.
[02:29:24] < BrandonW> Which means you can say anything.
[02:29:58] < Randomist> Change:  To i_c-Y/Nikky's standards.
[02:30:04] < BrandonW> Which means you can say anything.
[02:30:30] <+i_c-Y> we dont really do anything to people. 
[02:30:38] <+i_c-Y> they just realize they are stupid, and cry.
[02:31:01] < Sir_Lewk> anyone want to give me some quick help regarding iptables and NAT?
[02:31:24] <@Nikky> google.com
[02:31:31] <@Nikky> type in "iptables documentation"
[02:31:38] <@Nikky> Randomist: Stop highlighting me
[02:31:41] < Sir_Lewk> yeah, he helped me a bunch
[02:31:53] < Randomist> Nikky:   You sound like Netham45.
[02:32:06] <@Nikky> Randomist: Well, we share a common trait then.
[02:32:17] < BrandonW> Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky.
[02:32:22] < Sir_Lewk> I've got it working but am trying to figure out how to adapt the rules to work with more than one lan-side NIC
[02:32:23] < Randomist> "Die!"
[02:33:06] <+i_c-Y> Sir_Lewk: use shorewall.
[02:33:24] <+i_c-Y> what do you want ot know?
[02:33:48] < Sir_Lewk> ah, right
[02:34:13] < Sir_Lewk> um, basically I've followed the iptables stuff at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/home-router-howto.xml
[02:35:13] < Sir_Lewk> I understand for the most part what's it's doing, I'm just not sure if it would be safe just to do though rules again but referring to the other nic this time
[02:35:13] <@Andy_J> I'm not sure how you'd go about doing that, really
[02:35:19] <@Andy_J> what are you trying to do?
[02:35:30] <@Andy_J> I've got a box set up with a LAN-side ethernet and a LAN-side ad-hoc wifi card
[02:35:43] <@Andy_J> it works fine, other than the fact that boxes on each network cannot talk to each other
[02:36:00] <@Andy_J> but NAT works fine with it
[02:36:11] <+i_c-Y> which part, Sir_Lewk ?
[02:36:29] < Sir_Lewk> Code Listing 5.2: Setting up iptables
[02:36:35] <@Andy_J> I think I more or less just duplicated everything for the other interface.
[02:36:45] <@Andy_J> I'd check but I can't get at that box at the moment.
[02:36:56] < Sir_Lewk> I can get dnsmasq working on both devices fine, I just need nat on both too
[02:37:08] < Sir_Lewk> alright, I'll try that then
[02:37:18] <@Andy_J> If you just need NAT and computer on each network don't need to talk to each other, just duplicate the iptables stuff
[02:37:20] < Randomist> lol http://www.addictinggames.com/theidiottest.html
[02:37:24] < Randomist> I got to "Smart."
[02:37:30] <@Andy_J> just make sure you use a different subnet for each NIC
[02:37:50] < Sir_Lewk> right
[02:37:53] <@Andy_J> i.e. 192.168.1.0/24 and 192.168.2.0/24
[02:38:04] <+i_c-Y> yep. sounds reasonable i suppose. though obviously make appropriate changes for each adapter, and dont flush.
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[02:38:27] < Sir_Lewk> yeah ;)
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[02:38:32] <@Andy_J> It's worked like a champ for over a year at work
[02:38:43] <@Andy_J> Just can't do LAN games between wifi and wired. :p
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[02:39:10] <@Andy_J> Of course services actually on the linux box (e.g. samba) are available to both
[02:39:21] < prime38> of course
[02:39:41] < Sir_Lewk> I could just run a quake server on that ;D
[02:39:42] <@Andy_J> Randomist: That test is obviously flawed.
[02:39:59] < Sir_Lewk> alright, thanks for your help
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[02:40:12] < Randomist> This one's better:  http://www.addictinggames.com/theidiottest2.html
[02:41:32] <+i_c-Y> thats retarded.
[02:41:46] <+i_c-Y> a rectangle is a square.
[02:41:55] <+i_c-Y> err
[02:41:58] <+i_c-Y> a square is a rectangle
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[02:45:37] < prime38> i_c-Y failed the idiot test i see
[02:45:51] < BrandonW> No, I'm sure he'd pass that.
[02:46:48] <+i_c-Y> i just watched the game on youtube - addicting games is laggy
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[02:47:10] <+i_c-Y> you're an idiot if you play the game :)
[02:47:16] <+i_c-Y> anyhow, bblhwandstuff
[02:48:16] <+i_c-Y> and i love how i havent seen any 9800gtx ads up.
[02:48:19] <+i_c-Y> anywhere.
[02:49:05] < prime38> ohh this is the law and order where the cops kills herself
[02:49:19] < prime38> just to make the other one scream
[02:50:21] <+i_c-Y> so some chick kills herself?
[02:50:48] < prime38> ya...
[02:51:24] < prime38> she is midly hot too
[02:51:33] < prime38> *mildly
[02:51:38] <+i_c-Y> ooh. video.
[02:51:47] <+i_c-Y> is it on youtube?
[02:52:30] < prime38> lets see
[02:53:44] < prime38> i cant find it
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[02:54:27] < prime38> ooh wait, she was a FBI agent
[02:54:33] < prime38> and its not on  youtube
[02:55:03] < prime38> WTF
[02:55:19] < prime38> next episode o_O
[02:55:27] <+i_c-Y> what episode is this?
[02:58:01] < prime38> Inconceivable is the name
[02:58:06] < prime38> law and order svu
[02:58:26] < prime38> olivia is sentenced to 5 years in jail or something
[02:58:47] < prime38> i caught 80% of the preview
[03:02:30] < prime38> who is a photoshop buff? does it do massive interpolation of jpg files?
[03:02:51] < BrandonW> I'm sure i_c-Y knows.
[03:03:10] < prime38> i started out with a 1.3MB file and ended up with a 1.9MB file
[03:03:56] <@Nikky> Your JPEG quality size probably went up
[03:04:18] <+i_c-Y> you probably used a high quality setting.
[03:04:43] <+i_c-Y> did you set it to 12?
[03:04:50] < prime38> i did use a high quality setting, yea 12
[03:04:57] <@Nikky> well, duh
[03:04:58] <+i_c-Y> thats probalby why. 
[03:05:04] < prime38> did it add extraneous data?
[03:05:07] <@Nikky> Hi i_c-Y :)
[03:05:18] < prime38> or did it interpolate?
[03:05:25] <+i_c-Y> hi Nikky :)
[03:06:07] < prime38> why should it go up, jpg is a lossy format
[03:06:22] < prime38> its going to lose everytime, but using a highquality makes it lose less
[03:07:04] <+i_c-Y> did you do any manipulations?
[03:07:20] < prime38> contrast adjustments only
[03:07:38] <@Nikky> that's it
[03:07:45] <@Nikky> contrast adjustments add tons of new data
[03:08:20] < prime38> contrast/color
[03:08:54] < Randomist> I like these "press the button"-test games... would make a nice calc mini-game.
[03:08:56] < BrandonW> I don't understand why they assemble all sorts of 82 emulation junk.
[03:09:00] < BrandonW> They took that out.
[03:09:04] <+i_c-Y> you probably get a bunch of data from that. personally, when resaving stuff most of the time i usually use the save for web option, prime38 
[03:09:46] < Randomist> 'Fact, that would make a nice assembly project for me... whenever I'm feeling up to it again.
[03:10:01] <+i_c-Y> usually gives better results
[03:10:02] < prime38> what does save for web do differently?
[03:10:14] <+i_c-Y> even for prints.
[03:10:46] <+i_c-Y> you can compare different settings and what not
[03:10:55] <+i_c-Y> and its run through imageready
[03:11:00] <@Nikky> I save everything in tiff format
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[03:11:41] <+i_c-Y> imageready was specialized to do more compression oriented stuff and what not. note that its simplerish than photoshop when editing.
[03:12:10] < prime38> yea this comparison thing is nice
[03:12:40] <+i_c-Y> use the 4up window, its probably the most useful
[03:13:00] <+i_c-Y> which photoshop version are you using?
[03:14:13] <@Nikky> CS3
[03:14:16] < prime38> cs3
[03:14:20] <@Nikky> Mine is legal
[03:14:34] <@Nikky> You probably pirated yours
[03:14:37] <@Nikky> to save JPEGS
[03:14:39] <@Nikky> sickening
[03:15:10] <+i_c-Y> it gives some other nice options, prime38 , such as the blur in the save window - makes some of the lineart stuff i play with better with a little blur.
[03:15:48] <@Nikky> blur is for lamerz
[03:16:06] < Sir_Lewk> I have decided that if I ever have a kid, I will name him/her Alexander/Major
[03:16:20] < prime38> major?
[03:16:21] < Sir_Lewk> those are the two most badass names in existence
[03:16:30] < Sir_Lewk> like the Quake III bot
[03:16:39] < prime38> like the army rank
[03:16:47] < Sir_Lewk> yeha
[03:17:03] < Sir_Lewk> and Alexander as in "Alexander the Great"
[03:17:39] < Sir_Lewk> I would not let him go by Alex either
[03:18:32] < Sir_Lewk> also, if I ever get put in witness protection, I'm going to ask that my new name be Alexander something
[03:18:49] < prime38> really? what else would you change?
[03:18:56] < Sir_Lewk> no, scrap Major
[03:19:01] < Sir_Lewk> Majority
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[03:19:13] < Sir_Lewk> as in "Majority rules
[03:19:27] < Sir_Lewk> more feminine sounding anyways
[03:19:30] <+Michael_V> Not anymore.
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[03:19:52] <+i_c-Y> fuck!
[03:19:59] < Sir_Lewk> "Majority" is what I'm going to name any daughter I might have
[03:20:14] <+i_c-Y> i dont think you have to worry about that, Sir_Lewk , in either case.
[03:20:17] <@Michael_V> names are so fun, aren't they?
[03:20:20] < Sir_Lewk> >:(
[03:20:28] < prime38> as in she fucks the majority of the boys she meets?
[03:20:31] < prime38> i wouldnt use that name
[03:20:32] <@Michael_V> I want to marry a woman named Claudia Dichloride
[03:20:39] <@Michael_V> She can have a monogrammed towel of Cl-Cl-Cl
[03:20:43] <@Michael_V> wouldn't that be neat?
[03:20:46] <+DSP_Lord> lolno
[03:20:48] < Sir_Lewk> fine, if I ever meet a chick named "Majority" I will marry her on the spot
[03:21:02] < BrandonW> You'll marry your own daughter?
[03:21:06] < Sir_Lewk> Michael_V, that would be awesome
[03:21:25] <@Michael_V> Unfortunately "Dichloride" doesn't appear to be a popular surname
[03:21:27] < Sir_Lewk> if I ever *meet* a chick, not name one :(
[03:21:30] <@Michael_V> This may cramp my plans
[03:21:38] < BrandonW> If you name one, surely you've met her.
[03:21:53] < Sir_Lewk> you know what I mean
[03:22:01] < Sir_Lewk> hater
[03:22:06] < BrandonW> I don't hate you.
[03:22:08] < prime38> what about robots named majority
[03:22:13] < prime38> fembots
[03:22:33] < Sir_Lewk> that would be awesome but wouldn't qualify as "chicks"
[03:23:03] <@Michael_V> My backup plan is to meet Olivia Ozone
[03:23:07] <@Michael_V> Then it can be O-O-O
[03:23:10] <@Michael_V> err
[03:23:11] <@Michael_V> Oxygen
[03:23:16] < Sir_Lewk> LOL
[03:23:34] <@Michael_V> I don't know if the stranger part is that I think of these things, or that I file them for future use
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[03:23:44] < Sir_Lewk> haha
[03:23:51] < prime38> in your bins with bar codes?
[03:23:59] <@Michael_V> no, in my comprehensive folder system
[03:24:11] < Sir_Lewk> I need one of those...
[03:24:13] <@Michael_V> forget names, any potential wife will have to put up with my organizational skills
[03:24:24] <+i_c-Y> there are none.
[03:24:40] < BrandonW> Michael, I've disassembled and re-assembled MirageOS 1.3b8 in ZDS. I'm cleaning it up now. Finally we can have a source to work with.
[03:24:57] <@Michael_V> This is where I suggest that as a member of DS, you could have just asked Dan for the source code...
[03:25:03] <@Michael_V> ...
[03:25:03] < BrandonW> He doesn't have it.
[03:25:07] < prime38> haha
[03:25:09] <@Michael_V> what!?
[03:25:14] <@Michael_V> what happened to it?
[03:25:15] < BrandonW> He lost it.
[03:25:31] <@Michael_V> oh boy
[03:25:34] <@Michael_V> I have a version of it somewhere
[03:25:35] < Randomist> Is MirageOS (the latest version) propritary?
[03:25:35] < BrandonW> But fear not!
[03:25:37] <@Michael_V> You should have asked
[03:25:48] < prime38> quoth prime38
[03:25:52] < BrandonW> Don't spoil my fun.
[03:25:59] <@Michael_V> strange
[03:26:00] <@Michael_V> my copy is missing too
[03:26:04] < Randomist> Or will Detached Solutions hand out the source code if you ask nicely.
[03:26:05] < Randomist> - ?
[03:26:06] <+i_c-Y> haha.
[03:26:18] <+i_c-Y> no, Randomist , this is how it works
[03:26:22] < BrandonW> If you're accepted into Summer of Code and your project is to work on MirageOS, you'll get it then.
[03:26:29] < BrandonW> And since we're not doing Summer of Code this year, you don't get it.
[03:26:33] <+i_c-Y> DS holds a proprietary stranglehold on MirageOS
[03:26:45] <@Michael_V> uh oh
[03:26:46] <+i_c-Y> and then we need to make an 'OPEN SORES' community around some other OS
[03:26:48] <@Michael_V> I had the v1.1 source I thought
[03:26:50] <+i_c-Y> ie DoorsCS
[03:26:57] <+i_c-Y> And use it
[03:26:58] < prime38> this is why ION beats the crap out of mirage os
[03:27:00] <+i_c-Y> And improve it.
[03:27:07] <@Michael_V> oh yay
[03:27:08] <@Michael_V> found it
[03:27:10] <@Michael_V> do you want 1.1?
[03:27:11] <@Nikky> Open source sucks
[03:27:14] <+i_c-Y> Then, MirageOS will be like "OH WE'RE (kinda) OPEN SORES"
[03:27:18] <@Michael_V> perhaps it could be used to clean up the disassembly of 1.2
[03:27:19] < Sir_Lewk> Nikky++
[03:27:19] < BrandonW> No, because that won't have whatever 1.2 fixed.
[03:27:25] <@Michael_V> (or 1.3)
[03:27:30] <+i_c-Y> and we make a copy of DoorsCS that is for dumb people
[03:27:35] < Sir_Lewk> I hate it when source is available, just asking for hackers
[03:27:36] < BrandonW> It might help understand parts, yeah.
[03:27:51] <+i_c-Y> and then uh... antitrust type allegations on mirage
[03:27:54] < BrandonW> I'm just ecstatic I assembled it and it worked.
[03:28:09] < prime38> BrandonW: did you test EVERY corner case?
[03:28:26] < Randomist> Hahaha...
[03:28:27] < prime38> cause i'm not convinced it works
[03:28:29] < Randomist> i_c-Y++
[03:28:42] < BrandonW> Well, I went into all the menus and ran BASIC and assembly games.
[03:28:53] < BrandonW> Bugs I can fix later.
[03:28:56] < prime38> ok ok, congratulations
[03:29:04] < Sir_Lewk> why does DS not want MirageOS to be opensource though?
[03:29:16] <@Michael_V> not that the actual source is much better
[03:29:20] < Randomist> 'Cause propritary software is betteR?
[03:29:21] <@Michael_V> #ifdef	RUNBASIC2
[03:29:21] <@Michael_V> initfrombasic:
[03:29:21] <@Michael_V> 	ld	hl,($9B88)
[03:29:21] <@Michael_V> 	ld	de,otherhook
[03:29:21] <@Michael_V> 	call	cphlde
[03:29:22] <@Michael_V> 	jr	nz,mirageinit
[03:29:22] <@Michael_V> 	ld	h,0
[03:29:23] <@Michael_V> 	bcall($4F7B)
[03:29:24] <@Michael_V> for example
[03:29:29] <@Nikky> Don't do that again
[03:29:43] < Randomist> There go them italics again
[03:29:45] < BrandonW> He's entitled to do it, and you're not entitled to say that.
[03:29:47] < BrandonW> So hush.
[03:29:53] < Sir_Lewk> why not, it's the most relevant thing we've hat in here for a while
[03:30:02] <@Nikky> Nobody is entitled to flood the channel with lines of code
[03:30:02] <@Michael_V> Nikky: Go take your super telephoto lens and spy on some celebrities instead 
[03:30:06] < prime38> BrandonW +1
[03:30:12] <@Nikky> especially since you guys yell at other poeple for pasting 3 lines of code
[03:30:14] < Randomist> Maybe Konversation has syntax highlighting or something.
[03:30:15] <@Michael_V> You flood the channel with lines of code
[03:30:16] <@Nikky> like Cricket_B, for one
[03:30:26] < BrandonW> And who's more relevant, him or Michael?
[03:30:27] < Randomist> 'Cause it oly italicizes the directives.
[03:30:27] <@Michael_V> The only difference is your flood is slow and invidious, like a leaky dam
[03:30:42] < Sir_Lewk> Michael_V++
[03:30:42] <@Nikky> BrandonW: Why should it matter? Both are calculator related
[03:30:57] < BrandonW> You just saw a piece of MirageOS source. You should be honored, not complaining.
[03:31:01] < Sir_Lewk> I see nothing wrong with any calc related flood
[03:31:28] < Randomist> ld a,(test)
[03:31:29] <@Nikky> Tell that to the Cricket_B haters.
[03:31:34] <@Michael_V> hmm so in other words, I hold the only known copy of the original MirageOS source code
[03:31:36] <@Michael_V> impressive
[03:31:37] <@Nikky> Who find any excuse to yell at him.
[03:31:40]  * Michael_V starts the auction at $50
[03:31:42] < prime38> when i was in ireland i saw a shop called "mr. calculator" i would have gone it but it was closed
[03:31:44] < BrandonW> You're trying too hard to troll.
[03:31:45] < Sir_Lewk> Cricket_B is rarely calc related
[03:31:52] <@Nikky> BrandonW: No, I'm making a point.
[03:31:54] < Randomist> Cricket_B tries to be, at least.
[03:31:57] < BrandonW> Nikky: Hardly.
[03:32:19] <+i_c-Y> Nikky: wow
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[03:32:20] <@efneTI86> [Merthsoft] Heat, time, and pressure; the things needed to make diamonds also make waffles.
[03:32:21] <+i_c-Y> you're right.
[03:32:23] < BrandonW> Michael_V: I will PayPal you $50 right now for everything you have on it.
[03:32:26] <+i_c-Y> i never saw it that way before
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[03:32:34] <+i_c-Y> i am willing to accept that line of thought.
[03:32:39] < Randomist> I still think Cricket_B would love #socialites channel on Freenode.
[03:32:42] <@Nikky> BrandonW: He was willing to give it to you a few minutes ago.
[03:32:50] < BrandonW> Nikky: I know that.
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[03:32:58] <+Merthsoft> whats `going on?
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[03:33:03] < Randomist> What'd I do?
[03:33:16] < Sir_Lewk> all hell is breakin' lose
[03:33:16] <@Nikky> You keep saying that Cricket_B will love that stupid channel.
[03:33:16] <+i_c-Y> spam the channel with useless information. the same that you always do.
[03:33:23] -!- Nikky was kicked from #tcpa by Michael_V [Take your apple farms and go home, you troll.]
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[03:33:30] < Sir_Lewk> YAY!
[03:33:32] < BrandonW> lol
[03:33:32] <+Michael_V> ...
[03:33:33] < Randomist> Konversatoin doesn't give me a chance to see why I get kicked or banned; it just does it and kills the window.
[03:33:36] < prime38> yay!
[03:33:37] <+Merthsoft> lol
[03:33:37] < Sir_Lewk> wow
[03:33:39] <+Michael_V> something is seriously wrong with the bots
[03:33:40] <+i_c-Y> nikky's spirit lives on!
[03:33:44] < Sir_Lewk> defensive bots?
[03:33:50] <+i_c-Y> thats because he kicked an op
[03:33:53] <+Michael_V> they shouldn't be defensive on me though
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[03:33:57] <+Michael_V> they're supposed to check flags
[03:34:01] < Nikky> I win :)
[03:34:02] <+i_c-Y> yes they should. what if you have a rogue op?
[03:34:05] < Sir_Lewk> Nikky subverted them :O
[03:34:15] <+i_c-Y> Nikky is my hero :)
[03:34:20] < Randomist> Wait...
[03:34:23] < BrandonW> I feel sorry for you, then.
[03:34:24] < Randomist> There wasn't even a kick message in the logs
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[03:34:36] < Randomist> Maybe my Internet is f'ing up.
[03:34:37] <+i_c-Y> why does it feel like we've done this before?
[03:34:44] -!- mode/#tcpa [+b *!*@dante01.u.washington.edu] by Michael_V
[03:34:44] -!- Nikky was kicked from #tcpa by Remius [Banned]
[03:34:45] <+i_c-Y> like this exact conversation?
[03:34:45] < Randomist> Stupid Suddenlink.
[03:34:49] < prime38> !
[03:34:50] < Sir_Lewk> :O
[03:34:58] <@Michael_V> who wins now
[03:34:59] < Sir_Lewk> did Nikky just get banned :O
[03:35:04] <+Merthsoft> O_O
[03:35:04] < prime38> yes
[03:35:05] < Sir_Lewk> LMFAO
[03:35:06] < BrandonW> That's been a long time coming.
[03:35:06] < prime38> haha
[03:35:08] <+Merthsoft> bastard
[03:35:14] < Randomist> Whoa.
[03:35:20] < Sir_Lewk> the oppressor is gone!
[03:35:20] < Randomist> I cannot believe what I just saw.
[03:35:24] <@Michael_V> I think it's the halfops perhaps
[03:35:27] < Sir_Lewk> I kinda miss him already :(
[03:35:32] < Randomist> Tell me Nikky did not just get banned.
[03:35:36] <@Andy_J> What the hell was that for?
[03:35:45] < BrandonW> I have the only working build of 1.3, I guess.
[03:36:06] -!- mode/#tcpa [-b *!*@dante01.u.washington.edu] by Michael_V
[03:36:06] <@Andy_J> The superbitch script doesn't care who does it.
[03:36:07] < Randomist> That is actually quite scary, 'cause if Nikky got banned..
[03:36:09] < Randomist> * ...
[03:36:20] <@Michael_V> The scripts used to check I thought
[03:36:46] <@Michael_V> This is why etaonrish doesn't run any of these nutty scripts that aardvarq loads :)
[03:36:49] <@Michael_V> he's the only sane bot
[03:36:49] < Randomist> ...Then i_c-Y will take get to take over as the troll
[03:36:59] < prime38> Michael_V: interesting
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[03:37:43] < Randomist> (Then again, that wouln't bee to bad... i_c-Y's not as cruel as Nikky.)
[03:37:54] <+Merthsoft> nikky is way better than i_c-Y 
[03:38:02] <+i_c-Y> i can always turn it up, Randomist 
[03:38:09] < Sir_Lewk> Nikky isn't all that bad, he just acts like a jerk on purpose a lot
[03:38:11] <@Michael_V> Don't run away to the French Foreign Legion; join the Temple City Kazoo Orchestra instead!
[03:38:24] < BrandonW> Michael, I've written a direct USB OS receiver, so now anyone can load PongOS with any cable. A ROM dumper could be written just as easily.
[03:38:34] < Randomist> How long is his ban?
[03:38:46] < Sir_Lewk> didn't MV just unban him?
[03:38:55] < Sir_Lewk> "* Michael_V removes ban on *!*@dante01.u.washington.edu"
[03:39:00] < prime38> Randomist cant read
[03:39:06] <@Michael_V> BrandonW: Nice
[03:39:11] < Randomist> My eyes hurt.
[03:39:15] < Randomist> What I get for having
[03:39:15] <+Spengo> AHAHA
[03:39:16] <@Michael_V> Sadly my appreciation is dampened by this economics homework assignment
[03:39:24] <+Spengo> was watching the boondock saints
[03:39:28] < Randomist> Such a small font on such high resolutoion
[03:39:37] < BrandonW> I had intended to duplicate the entire direct USB silent link protocol. Still a work in progress.
[03:39:38] <+Spengo> the trap makes me laugh so hard every time
[03:39:40] <@Michael_V> http://www.michaelv.org/temp/files/HomeworkApril2.pdf
[03:40:05] <@Michael_V> Perhaps if the professor actually was understandable I wouldn't have to teach it to myself from other sources
[03:40:09] <@Michael_V> *sigh*
[03:40:10] < Randomist> Michael_V's here, so I guess I can't say **** since that wasn't permantent.  :P
[03:40:11] < BrandonW> I didn't realize this, but the silent link hook would let you intercept both USB and I/O silent link packets.
[03:40:15] <@Michael_V> sure you can!
[03:40:18] <@Michael_V> I stopped the swearing ban
[03:40:26] < Randomist> Not for me, you didn't
[03:40:27] <@Michael_V> Now you can go directly to hell in the next life without any tickets along the way!
[03:40:36] <@Michael_V> It's like the autobahn of vocabulary in here now!
[03:41:00] <@Michael_V> So speed away, you foul-mouthed ruffians
[03:41:06] < Randomist> There's an unwritten rule somewhere... any of the idiots cannot swear.
[03:41:14] <+Merthsoft> fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck 
[03:41:14] <+Merthsoft> fuck 
[03:41:17] <+Merthsoft> fuck fuck fuck fuck 
[03:41:19] < Randomist> (We're the only ones who get kicked for it)
[03:41:21] < BrandonW> !k Merthsoft
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[03:41:33] < Merthsoft> well fuck]
[03:41:38] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Merthsoft] by Remius
[03:41:38] <@Michael_V> BrandonW: I'll give you $50 for that
[03:41:39] < prime38> hahaha
[03:41:47] <@Michael_V> Where would you like me to e-mail the MirageOS source code for free?
[03:41:58] < Randomist> metalrandomist@gmail.com
[03:42:00] < BrandonW> How about the DS e-mail address?!
[03:42:04] <+Merthsoft> mcfall_s@denison.edu
[03:42:19] <@Michael_V> sure
[03:42:24] <@Michael_V> I don't even remember what yours is
[03:42:28] <@Michael_V> because we have two Brandons now
[03:42:36] < BrandonW> Me neither. I forgot how to check it, too.
[03:42:43] < BrandonW> But I would bet brandonw@detachedsolutions.com.
[03:43:09] <+i_c-Y> hey BrandonW , out of curiosity, could you make 2 lines of mirageos now?
[03:43:16] <+i_c-Y> like maybe a community edition and a DS edition?
[03:43:17] <@Michael_V> If it's like brandon@radicalsoft.org, then it's full of spam anyway
[03:43:27] < Randomist> DS as in Nintendo DS?
[03:43:29] < BrandonW> brandonlw@gmail.com to be quick.
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[03:43:32] <@Michael_V> I don't think anyone has any objections to releasing the source
[03:43:34] < BrandonW> No, as in Detached Solutions, trol.
[03:43:37] < BrandonW> troll.*
[03:43:39] < Sir_Lewk> DS as in Detached Solutions
[03:43:44] <@Michael_V> I am betting that Jason was probably the major impetus
[03:43:47] < Randomist> Why am I a troll?
[03:43:48] <+i_c-Y> like one edition is soley edited by detached solutions people
[03:43:48] <@Michael_V> even though I have no facts regarding that
[03:43:52]  * Randomist can't troll!
[03:44:00] <@Michael_V> but Jason is legally dead
[03:44:06] <@Michael_V> as far as calculators are concerned
[03:44:07] <+i_c-Y> and the other one is like any open sores program.
[03:44:25] <+DarkAuron> BrandonW would probably continue work on it
[03:44:36]  * Randomist sees DarkAuron and hides.
[03:44:39] < Sir_Lewk> !k Sir_Lewk
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[03:45:08] <@Michael_V> sending...
[03:45:20] < BrandonW> i_c-Y, it was written somewhere that DS would continue to make releases, and then whatever anyone else did was their business, they just can't claim it as theirs.
[03:45:46] <+i_c-Y> hence a community edition. just maybe under some stricter licensing.
[03:45:52]  * Michael_V remembers to make his biannual visit to radicalsoft.org
[03:46:12]  * Randomist wants to help.
[03:46:23] <@Michael_V> how sad to be defunct
[03:46:28] <@Michael_V> perhaps I should write some games for TSE
[03:46:35] <@Michael_V> never give up!
[03:46:40] <@Michael_V> It will become the dominant 83+ shell
[03:46:41] <@Michael_V> It's not too late
[03:46:48] <+Merthsoft> i need a magnetic strip reader
[03:46:58] < BrandonW> Buy Michael's.
[03:46:59] < Randomist> Ooh, for the first time I can look out the window and see a moon.
[03:47:01] <+i_c-Y> i dont even bother. cause all radicalsoft is is "I (brandon)" or "I (you know who it is)" or "I (some phrase pertaining to brandon)"
[03:47:04] <@Michael_V> Mine is not for sale
[03:47:08] <@Michael_V> but you should buy one like mine
[03:47:09] < Randomist> And it looks beautifuly.
[03:47:17] <+i_c-Y> besides, if he does something, he blogs about it in here.
[03:47:19] < BrandonW> Nor should you bother...the last post was the beginning of last year.
[03:47:38] <@Michael_V> Actually the last post was in "Junuary"
[03:47:45] < tr1p1ea> RADICALSOFT?
[03:47:58] <+Merthsoft> TRIPPLE A?
[03:48:08] < BrandonW> That makes me sad.
[03:48:11]  * Randomist stills tr1p1ea's "AAA"s.
[03:48:11] < BrandonW> I must change it.
[03:48:20] < BrandonW> If I can remember how.
[03:48:34] <@Michael_V> oooh
[03:48:37] <@Michael_V> a chance for a deal!
[03:48:44] <@Michael_V> http://cgi.ebay.com/Magtek-USB-Card-Swiper-Reader-21040108-NICE_W0QQitemZ360039299157QQihZ023QQcategoryZ71478QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[03:48:48] <@Michael_V> used though...mine was new :)
[03:48:52] < Randomist> I've got to sell this 83+ SE
[03:48:54] <+DarkAuron> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/08/funny-pictures-boo-aaaaaahhhhhh/
[03:49:06] < Randomist> I need an 89T nooaw!
[03:49:19] <+DarkAuron> Randomist: I have both
[03:49:35] < prime38> im going to get the 89gt
[03:49:45] < prime38> teh 89gtx not worth it
[03:49:45] < Randomist> Yeah, but I already know you're going to say 'no.'
[03:50:13] < Randomist> Oh... that's why I got kicked.
[03:50:30] <+Merthsoft> Michael_V: does that one read the most bars?
[03:50:36] <@Michael_V> yes, it reads all 3 tracks
[03:50:43] <@Michael_V> other models read only 1 or 1 and 2
[03:50:52] <@Michael_V> you don't really need 3 but some cards do put extra information there
[03:51:06] <+Merthsoft> i want 3
[03:51:08] <@Michael_V> I wrote a very nice program to parse driver's licenses and credit cards
[03:51:22] <@Michael_V> It's down to swipe your card and it opens up google maps with your address in satellite view
[03:51:29] <@Michael_V> *swipe your driver's license
[03:51:35] <@Michael_V> plus it lists all your information
[03:51:42] < Randomist> For there to not be any Nikky around, this place sure feels the same.
[03:51:44] <+Merthsoft> oh cool
[03:51:49] <@Michael_V> it's very cool
[03:51:51] <+i_c-Y> you guys have magnetic strips on your licenses?
[03:52:01] <+Merthsoft> yup
[03:52:05] < tr1p1ea> ... maybe my finger is broken afterall
[03:52:06] <+i_c-Y> losers.
[03:52:09] <@Michael_V> you can decode bank cards, credit cards, supermarket cards
[03:52:10] <+Merthsoft> :(
[03:52:11] <@Michael_V> hotel room cards
[03:52:11] < prime38> 2d barcodes here
[03:52:13] <+Spengo> zonzonzonzon
[03:52:14] <@Michael_V> all sorts of things
[03:52:15]  * Randomist looks at the clock.
[03:52:21] <+Merthsoft> i wanna do it with my school-id
[03:52:35] < Randomist> Well, time for me to clock out my shift as annoying guy.
[03:52:42] < Randomist> Cricket_B, it's your turn to take over.
[03:52:52]  * Randomist yawns, waves, and goes away.
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[03:53:42] <@Michael_V> barcode scanners are fun too
[03:53:45] <@Michael_V> I have both
[03:53:48] <@Michael_V> I'm a data reading machine
[03:53:54] <@Michael_V> This is how I pick up women
[03:53:59] <@Michael_V> I bring my compactflash barcode reader
[03:54:04] <@Michael_V> and ask, "Can I read your barcodes?"
[03:54:05] <+i_c-Y> no. we are trying to train Cricket_B to be an upstanding citizen.
[03:54:05] <+Merthsoft> ooh, i want one of those too
[03:54:12] <@Michael_V> It's laser you see, with about a 2.5 foot range
[03:54:47] <@Michael_V> one of my favorite things was to spin in my desk chair and scan barcoded items nearby as I spun
[03:54:51] <@Michael_V> beeping incessantly
[03:54:53] < BrandonW> Oh look, "January" has somehow corrected itself.
[03:54:59] <@Michael_V> while laughing hysterically
[03:55:24] <@Michael_V> I told one of my professors this when he asked what I did during spring break
[03:55:26] <@Michael_V> The reaction was odd
[03:55:30] <+Merthsoft> brb
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[03:55:42] < BrandonW> No, I'm sure the reaction was perfectly normal.
[03:55:43] < BrandonW> The act was odd.
[03:55:54] < Sir_Lewk> lol
[03:57:42] < prime38> true dat
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[03:58:36] <@efneTI86> [S123X] Never Phear, For the Phoenix is here!
[03:58:43] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v S123X] by efneTI81
[03:58:43] <+S123X> hey yall
[03:58:46] <+S123X> I'm back again
[03:58:50] < Sir_Lewk> wb
[03:58:56] <+S123X> I'm using calcsys to change a Patrick D high score
[03:59:02] <+S123X> to my name
[03:59:03] <+S123X> but
[03:59:15] <+S123X> even after I edit the patrick D values, I'll go in to the game again
[03:59:21] <+S123X> and they'll be changed back
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[03:59:30] <+S123X> anyone know what to do?
[03:59:34] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Merthsoft] by SnowCrash
[03:59:48] <+Merthsoft> crying might help
[03:59:55] < BrandonW> Use Calcsys' VAT thing to find out where the program is, and start there and scan for it.
[04:00:11] <@Michael_V> Go up to your math teacher and tell him/her that "I cheated with my calculator"
[04:00:14] <@Michael_V> say nothing more
[04:00:18] <@Michael_V> it's the truth
[04:01:15] < prime38> good god jay leno has a lot of cars
[04:02:21] < Sir_Lewk> http://raven.subsume.com/mu/ohTheHugeManatee.jpg
[04:02:47] <@Michael_V> yay manatees!
[04:02:52]  * Michael_V is a proud member of the Save the Manatee Club
[04:03:12] < Sir_Lewk> well that Manatee just crashed
[04:03:17] < Sir_Lewk> Hydrogen style
[04:03:26] <@Michael_V> :(
[04:03:38] < Sir_Lewk> it's CHEMISTRY! :D
[04:03:45] < prime38> too bad real manatees dont do that
[04:04:03] < Sir_Lewk> they don't? :(
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[04:05:58] <+S123X> BrandonW: do you care to elaborate on what you explained?
[04:06:09] < BrandonW> Select the VAT item in Calcsys.
[04:06:14] < BrandonW> Find Phoenix.
[04:06:18] < BrandonW> Look at the starting address.
[04:06:20] < BrandonW> Go to it in the hex editor.
[04:06:25] < BrandonW> Start searching for your high score name.
[04:06:27] < BrandonW> Change it like before.
[04:06:50] <+S123X> how to I go to a certain address
[04:06:54] < BrandonW> G.
[04:06:54] <+S123X> with the hex editor
[04:06:58] <+S123X> ok
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[04:09:24] <+S123X> pheonix starts at FC35 but when I search from that point
[04:09:30] <+S123X> I get to 8A23
[04:09:34] <+S123X> isn't that far away?
[04:09:38] < BrandonW> No, that's the VAT address.
[04:09:41] < BrandonW> You want the data address.
[04:09:43] < BrandonW> The other number.
[04:09:46] <+S123X> I know
[04:09:48] <+S123X> but
[04:09:56] <+S123X> patrick is at that Vat address
[04:10:03] < BrandonW> Doesn't matter.
[04:10:05] < BrandonW> Use the other number.
[04:10:10] <+S123X> ok
[04:10:18] <+S123X> but I use the VAT address for pheonix right?
[04:10:27] < BrandonW> No, you use the data address for Phoenix.
[04:10:32] < BrandonW> I just said that.
[04:10:36] <+S123X> oh
[04:10:38] <+S123X> ok
[04:10:45] <+S123X> A956
[04:10:55] <+S123X> it's a protected program
[04:10:59] <+S123X> does that change anything?
[04:11:00] < BrandonW> No.
[04:18:45] <+S123X> ok
[04:18:47] <+S123X> well
[04:18:49] <+S123X> it worked
[04:18:50] <+S123X> thanks
[04:19:00] <@efneTI89> Are you Shadowpho?
[04:19:19] <+S123X> no
[04:20:06] <@efneTI89> Okay, thanks. :) The bots think that you are, but they have a pretty broad hostmask associated with that account that basically includes all chatzilla users in your state who use comcast.
[04:20:18] < Kira> lol
[04:20:25] < Kira> who was shadow phoenix again?
[04:20:48] <+chronomex> pho => phoenix? I thought it was vietnamese noodle soup!
[04:21:08] < Kira> chronomex: lol, I went to a place called Pho Pasteur the other day
[04:21:13] <@efneTI89> That is correct on both counts.
[04:22:00] < BrandonW> I see the puppet, but where is the puppet master?!
[04:22:08] <+chronomex> your mom's house
[04:22:20] <+chronomex> :)
[04:22:32] < BrandonW> It always ends with the your mom jokes.
[04:22:34] < BrandonW> Good-bye, hater.
[04:22:46] <+chronomex> I'm sorry :'(
[04:26:10] < prime38> funnier guy? conan o'brien or craig ferguson
[04:27:11] <+S123X> hey
[04:27:24] <+S123X> does anyone know how to use VTI with a usb cable?
[04:27:34] < BrandonW> You can't.
[04:27:37] <+chronomex> direct or graphlink?
[04:27:42] < BrandonW> Neither.
[04:27:43] <+S123X> direct
[04:27:52] <+chronomex> especially not direct
[04:27:58] <+S123X> any other ways to have your calc on your comp?
[04:28:07] <+chronomex> ?
[04:28:13] <+S123X> well
[04:28:17] < prime38> yup
[04:28:26] <+S123X> how prime38?
[04:28:47] < prime38> there are a bunch of emulators
[04:29:01] < prime38> check ticalc.org
[04:29:02] <+S123X> are they all on ticalc.org/
[04:29:07] <+chronomex> most of them
[04:29:12] <+chronomex> what operating system?
[04:29:14] <+chronomex> windows?
[04:29:47] <+S123X> yep
[04:30:19] <+S123X> and 84+ Se
[04:30:28] < BrandonW> No emulators support PC<->calc linking except VTI, which you can't do, and the flash debugger, which doesn't do direct USB.
[04:30:44] < BrandonW> And the only emulator that supports the 84+SE that I know of is TilEm, and I guess Wabbitemu.
[04:30:51] <+S123X> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/372/37211.html
[04:30:55] <+S123X> TilEm
[04:30:58] < prime38> what's the name og that one, piduerti ?
[04:30:58] <+S123X> I'll try that
[04:31:06] < BrandonW> Which doesn't do the 84+SE.
[04:31:14] <+chronomex> PindurTI
[04:31:25] < prime38> ahh yea
[04:32:11] <+S123X> how can I get the rom file?
[04:32:32] <+S123X> from my calc?
[04:32:33] < prime38> rom8x
[04:32:37] <+chronomex> a rom dump program, yes
[04:32:55] < BrandonW> rom8x is all you can do, really, which combines your boot code with an OS upgrade you get off education.ti.com.
[04:32:56] <+S123X> and i can find this where?
[04:33:05] <+S123X> ok
[04:33:15] <+S123X> I going to stop caring at this point
[04:33:26] <+S123X> there's not much point in me having a TI emulator anyway
[04:33:33] <+chronomex> what do you want to do?
[04:33:38] <+S123X> well
[04:33:41] <+S123X> nothing in specific
[04:33:46] <+S123X> I just wanted to have it
[04:33:48] <+S123X> but
[04:33:49] <+chronomex> ok
[04:33:50] <+S123X> now I don't care
[04:33:58] < prime38> rom8x is on ticalc.org
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[04:37:18] < prime38> ohh conan
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[04:50:35] < prime38> hahaha
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[04:58:07] < Sir_Lewk> is there an alternative OS for z80 calcs like PedroOS for m68ks?
[04:59:50] <+chronomex> not at the moment, but I think a couple are sort of in development.
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[05:03:00] < prime38> five dollar footlong!
[05:03:28] <+chronomex> is this a Zippy the Pinhead Moment (TM) ???
[05:03:29] < Sir_Lewk> sub?
[05:04:09] < Sir_Lewk> gawd-damn perl this crap is taking forever to emerge
[05:04:17] <+chronomex> perl is crap
[05:04:23] < Sir_Lewk> err -perl
[05:04:33] < Sir_Lewk> other stuff among perl
[05:04:45] <+chronomex> o
[05:04:50] < Sir_Lewk> installing fail2ban and dependencies
[05:06:06] <@efneTI89> Perl is awesome.
[05:06:14] <+chronomex> efneTI89 is a cockpuppet
[05:06:18] < BrandonW> Sir_Lewk: there's PongOS.
[05:06:18] < Sir_Lewk> lol
[05:06:19] <+chronomex> erm, sockpuppet
[05:06:22] <@efneTI89> So is your face.
[05:06:26] < prime38> hahahaha
[05:06:35] <+chronomex> no, my face is not a cockpuppet
[05:06:36] < Sir_Lewk> who is that? :D
[05:06:43] <+chronomex> it's nikky, can't you tell?
[05:06:48] < Sir_Lewk> ah
[05:06:50] < Sir_Lewk> lol
[05:07:03] <+chronomex> note the strategic placement of "your face"
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[05:08:24] < Sir_Lewk> wb
[05:08:30] < Nikky> spanks
[05:09:02] < Sir_Lewk> :(
[05:09:07] < Barrett> interesting.... chess is turning out to be much easier than I had thought
[05:09:24] < BrandonW> You mean you couldn't play chess?
[05:09:25] < Sir_Lewk> play against someone better?
[05:09:27] < BrandonW> I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
[05:09:31] < Barrett> program it
[05:09:35] < Sir_Lewk> oh
[05:09:46] < Barrett> not AI, though
[05:09:48] < Sir_Lewk> give it AI, that won't be trivial
[05:09:53] < Sir_Lewk> darn
[05:10:04] < Barrett> just the board and only letting you make legal moves... and saving... and undoing... and redoing
[05:10:25] < Sir_Lewk> gotcha, what platform/language?
[05:10:32] < Barrett> c++
[05:10:42] < Barrett> lnx
[05:12:41] < prime38> what rules did you implement?
[05:12:53] < Nikky> The legal ones
[05:12:54] < Barrett> so far?
[05:12:56] < Sir_Lewk> can you castle and stuff?
[05:13:12] < Barrett> so far I've only done the legal pawn moves (except for en passante)
[05:13:14] < prime38> which ones will you have to omplement
[05:13:28] < Barrett> we don't have to implement castle or en passante
[05:13:48] < Barrett> or pawns becoming other stuff on the other side of the board
[05:15:25] < Sir_Lewk> I imagine legal king moves might be a pain
[05:15:40] < Barrett> not any more of a pain than legal anything else moves
[05:15:41] < Sir_Lewk> can't move into check
[05:15:46] < Barrett> that applies to all pieces
[05:15:56] < Sir_Lewk> ah true
[05:20:24] < Barrett> I do see an incredible amount of looping going on in order to calculate potential checks, though
[05:22:37] <+chronomex> what's en passante?
[05:22:57] < Barrett> a crazy move that a pawn can do to a pawn
[05:23:05] < Nikky> where a pawn can capture one that skips two spots
[05:23:05] <+chronomex> oh?
[05:23:11] < prime38> capturing a pawn after it moves two spaces, as if it had only moved one
[05:23:14] <+chronomex> I've never heard of that
[05:23:17] <+chronomex> ok
[05:23:21] < Barrett> http://www.princeton.edu/~jedwards/cif/basics7.html
[05:23:22] < Nikky> It's rarely encoutered
[05:23:22] < Barrett> bottom
[05:24:45] <+nicolas> morning
[05:25:55] < Barrett> I didn't know about en passant until like a year and a half ago
[05:26:07] < Barrett> people always have to bring it up when it benefits them
[05:28:45] <+nicolas> Barrett: not only do they try to bring it up when it benefits them.. many times they turn it around
[05:29:18] <+nicolas> they try to tell you taht their pawn can do 2 moves 1 fwd+1 diag to eat a piece
[05:30:43] <+nicolas> (i.e. in the case of the last pic on that page you gave, if it's white's turn they say they can eat the black black pawn, ending on that square)
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[05:34:15] < Barrett> yeah, that's much worse than someone bringing up an obscure rule
[05:34:31] < Barrett> at least the people I described have a legitimate reason
[05:36:03] <@Andy_J> Just once ...
[05:36:24] <@Andy_J> something like "queen bishop pawn takes pawn en passante, checkmate"
[05:37:13] <@Andy_J> or castle queenside, checkmate
[05:37:15] <@Andy_J> something silly like that
[05:37:43] < Nikky> Hi Andy_J :)
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[05:51:17] < prime38> i need some captain
[06:01:04] <+mokomull> captain?
[06:01:12] < Nikky>  Morgan
[06:01:19] < Kira> perhaps 7,000 is overkill..
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[06:04:24] < Kira> http://darkauron.dyshost.com/Images/2d3d_Over7000.jpg
[06:04:44] < Nikky> Nice
[06:05:01] < Kira> I should setup a script to have them fight
[06:05:07] < Kira> that'd be pretty cool
[06:05:21] < prime38> its like im looking at ants while tripping balls
[06:05:26] < Nikky> haha
[06:05:28] < Kira> lol
[06:05:34] <+mokomull> you probably are :)
[06:06:05] <+chronomex> Kira: over 7000?
[06:06:39] < Kira> theres 7500 of those things on the landscape, although not are all onscreen
[06:06:46] <+chronomex> ah
[06:06:54] <+chronomex> I thought it was like over 9000
[06:06:57] < Kira> I know
[06:07:19] < Kira> *tries 9001*
[06:08:03] <+Spengo> lmao guys
[06:08:06] <+Spengo> I was playing Unreal
[06:08:12] <+chronomex> uh-oh
[06:08:14] <+Spengo> <3 the gfx
[06:09:11] <+Spengo> it's hard to believe we used to think it was beautiful
[06:10:55] < Kira> lol
[06:11:04] < Kira> and in 5 years we'll laugh at 360 games
[06:11:12] < Kira> and crysis
[06:11:14] < Kira> for their weak graphix
[06:11:15] <+Spengo> psh, I already laugh at 360 games
[06:15:50] <+nicolas> Spengo: we once wowwed at the giana sister's graphics
[06:16:00] <+nicolas> and then wolfenstein 3d's 
[06:16:08] <+nicolas> then doom's... duke nukem 3d's ...
[06:16:10] <+nicolas> half life ..
[06:17:31] <+nicolas> until we reach a level of resolution == to the eye's, and level of realism in the physics that's equivalent to real life
[06:19:03] <+nicolas> the pattern is going to repeat...as long as we can tell the difference
[06:19:14] < Nikky> And that's why I love doom
[06:19:16] < Nikky> what a great game
[06:19:33] < Sir_Lewk> has anyone ever heard of $HOME being set to /usr/home/username?
[06:19:51] <+nicolas> Sir_Lewk: yeah, I think that was standard on some BSDs
[06:19:52] < Nikky> no
[06:19:54] < Nikky> but that makes sense
[06:20:53] < Sir_Lewk> kind of I suppose
[06:22:11] < Nikky> :)
[06:23:29] <+nicolas> heh, solaris defaults to /export/home/
[06:23:40] < Nikky> Well, nobody cool uses solaris
[06:23:47] <+nicolas> I'm cool1!!!!
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[06:23:59] <+nicolas> look I even got a "1" instead of a "!" 
[06:24:09] <+nicolas> I *must* be cool, by definition
[06:24:11] < Nikky> That's the peak of coolness
[06:24:16] < Nikky> I cannot argue with that logic
[06:24:53] <+nicolas> but yeah, I use solaris... ZFS is a nice commodity to have
[06:26:18] <+nicolas> but I must admit linux does have the "drivers" advantage for example :)
[06:26:39] < Nikky> Drivers are for lamers.
[06:26:46] < Nikky> Or windows users
[06:27:51] <+nicolas> call them what you want, "hardware support" is what I meant
[06:29:28] <+chronomex> nicolas: you're coo1, yes
[06:30:19] < Nikky> chronomex is cool too
[06:30:33] <+nicolas> not as cool as me though
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[06:30:43] <+Nikky> tied
[06:33:16] <@E-J> morning
[06:34:46] <+Spengo> nicolas, I remember being wowed by snes graphics
[06:34:49] <+Spengo> metroid was sexy
[06:35:06] <+Spengo> and the genesis? that was bitchin'
[06:35:43] < Sir_Lewk> OpenArena seems to have died
[06:36:12] < Sir_Lewk> which is a shame, all they really needed was decent, coherent artwork
[06:36:43] < Sir_Lewk> ioquake3 is maintained by other people...
[06:37:48] <+Nikky> Well, the only game that matters is supertux
[06:38:11] <@E-J> superNikkyx
[06:38:14] <@E-J> school ->
[06:39:41] < Kira> whoops, accident caused a bug and made my program take up a gig of ram
[06:39:49] <+Nikky> meh
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[06:40:09] < tr1p1ea> firefox?
[06:40:22] < Kira> no, this: http://darkauron.dyshost.com/Images/2d3d_Over7000.jpg
[06:40:37] < tr1p1ea> nice :)
[06:40:44] < Kira> :P
[06:41:03] < Kira> I applied a bit of culling so it only lags when you look at all of them
[06:41:23] < Kira> but nothing fancy or overall amazing
[06:47:49] <+chronomex> so it runs real fast if you keep your eyes closed?
[06:49:16] < Kira> funny.
[06:50:21] <+Spengo> OH SHIT
[06:50:26] <+Spengo> ARMY OF FLAT DUDES ON A GREEN THING
[06:50:36] < Kira> um, yeah.
[06:50:57] < Kira> that's the idea
[06:51:03] < Kira> although maybe not quite that many
[06:51:05] < prime38> Kira: what is that image from?
[06:51:13] < Kira> prime38: something I made entirely myself
[06:51:27] < Kira> made the model in milkshape 3d, colored via diffuse change in the code, and the landscape is made of cubes
[06:51:30] < tr1p1ea> entirely himself so stopt rying to take credit prime38
[06:51:32] < Kira> coded in darkbasic pro
[06:51:38] < tr1p1ea> trying*
[06:51:43] < Kira> trying to take credit?
[06:51:50]  * tr1p1ea hides O_o
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[06:51:53] < prime38> who said i was trying to take credit?
[06:51:57] < Tamama> I don't know what to do...
[06:51:57] <+Nikky> Hi Tamama :)
[06:51:57] < Kira> yeah, seriously
[06:52:09] < Tamama> Stepmania is getting kinda boring...
[06:52:16] < Kira> who is Tamama?
[06:52:19] <+Nikky> Uhoh!
[06:52:21] < prime38> flashflashrevolution
[06:52:27] < prime38> .com
[06:52:39]  * Kira pokes tr1p1ea
[06:52:55] < Tamama> chose this name because of name limit...
[06:53:00] < Tamama> mines actually Commando125
[06:53:04] <+Nikky> cool
[06:53:06] < tr1p1ea> (Kira: i was being silly and it kind of backfired)
[06:53:08] < tr1p1ea> :P
[06:53:10] < Tamama> I met you guys like...1-2 years ago
[06:53:14] < Kira> tr1p1ea: I see, lol
[06:53:15] < Tamama> I had an 84+
[06:53:19] < Tamama> and was learning basic assembly.
[06:53:31] < Tamama> Now the school let me borrow an 89, do you know how much the 89s are nowadays?
[06:53:32] < tr1p1ea> and whats changed?
[06:53:38] < tr1p1ea> 89's are no good
[06:53:43] < Tamama> eh?
[06:53:47] <+Nikky> Ignore the m68k hater
[06:53:48] < Kira> oh crap, I don't think I can put limbs on instanced objects.....
[06:53:54] < tr1p1ea> okay well they are good, but they arent as fun
[06:53:57] < prime38> tr1p1ea: what!
[06:54:00] < prime38> yea ok
[06:54:00] <+Nikky> That's more like it :)
[06:54:03] < prime38> no
[06:54:09] < Tamama> Z80 was simple assembly, more complicated than 6502
[06:54:30] <+Nikky> Usually people just use a form of GCC for the 89
[06:54:35] < tr1p1ea> z80 is pretty simple
[06:54:40] < Tamama> the problem is once i graduate, i dont have 89 anymore :/
[06:54:46] < Tamama> Do you know where I can buy one that I can keep?
[06:54:49] < tr1p1ea> 68k is even easier than z80 imo
[06:54:55] < Tamama> I'm not sure I want to go to 89 titanium
[06:54:56] < tr1p1ea> when you consider the restrictions
[06:54:57] <+Nikky> Since the CPU is more adept at running higher level code
[06:55:19] < tr1p1ea> and yer, gcc takes away the fun
[06:55:21] < Kira> tr1p1ea likes pushing limits
[06:56:11] < Tamama> so you know where I can get one for cheap?
[06:56:19] < Tamama> I don't want to spend 150+ at the retail markets.
[06:56:21] <+Nikky> ebay.com
[06:56:26] <+Nikky> costco
[06:56:38] < Tamama> costco would be expensive...
[06:56:44] < Tamama> they dont have standard 89s anymore.
[06:56:46] <+Nikky> well, it's "cheaper"
[06:56:54] <+Nikky> oh, you want a regular 89?
[06:56:55] < tr1p1ea> ebay might have some good deals on stolen calcs
[06:57:00] < Tamama> i dont mind the regular.
[06:57:07] < Tamama> if its cheaper, yeah
[06:58:06] < Tamama> wtf
[06:58:11] < Tamama> they sell theses on e-bay for a dollar?
[06:58:12] < tr1p1ea> kira, do you get to shoot those guys?
[06:58:15] < Tamama> with only 6$ S&H?
[06:58:18] < tr1p1ea> be careful!
[06:58:35] < tr1p1ea> half the time its manuals/software/dovers etc
[06:58:50] < Tamama> i know
[06:58:54] < Tamama> I read it full
[06:59:30] < tr1p1ea> or are you talking auctions that have a long time remaining?
[06:59:37] <@E-J> 15 minutes until seminar
[06:59:51] < Kira> shoot them? O.o
[06:59:59] < tr1p1ea> E-J: Be sure to drink HEAPS of water
[07:00:06] < tr1p1ea> da: or are they not enemies?
[07:00:34] < Tamama> I don't know when I'm going to actually bid
[07:00:36] < Tamama> I'm 17...
[07:00:38] < Kira> they're part of your army
[07:00:47] < Tamama> and we cant risk the paypal account being hijacked
[07:01:00] < tr1p1ea> oh, hehe awesome
[07:02:08] < Kira> once I figure out how to do limbs, and if I can do them on instanced objects, I'll add weapons/helms/etc to them as well
[07:03:40] <@E-J> tr1p1ea: this is finland and it only lasts 2 hours
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[07:04:37] < tr1p1ea> its really annoying how flash8 doesnt work with aero enabled
[07:05:02] < tr1p1ea> its also really annoying how i have a suspected broken finger and a torn quad :\
[07:05:44] <+nicolas> tr1p1ea: how'd you manage that one?
[07:05:51] < tr1p1ea> football
[07:05:55] <+nicolas> I told you aussie football wasn't the spor for you!
[07:06:04] < tr1p1ea> :)
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[07:06:16] < Kira> lol
[07:06:50] <+nicolas> DA: do you acutally know aussie football?
[07:07:12] < Kira> a little
[07:07:32] <+nicolas> check it out, crazy stuff :)
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[07:07:52] < Kira> I'm not a sports person
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[07:08:17] <@E-J> was it that where referee puts hands like 2 guns when goal is made?
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[07:11:52] < tr1p1ea> yeah E-J, everyone loves that :)
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[07:13:46] <+simonzack>  hei does anybody have a jstor account in uni? I really need one
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[07:21:40] <+nicolas> why doesn't he have his own jstor account anyway...
[07:22:02] <+nicolas> damn scroungers!
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[07:27:20] <+chronomex> what's jstor?
[07:27:21]  * chronomex looks
[07:28:49] <@E-J> tell me also
[07:29:19] <@E-J> ircing with phone, so difficult to watch things
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[07:56:07] < Tamama> night
[07:56:14] < Tamama> talk to you guys tomorrow about some questions
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[08:00:08] <@E-J> hmm i might have jstor-account
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[08:22:59] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] Hail to the king baby!
[08:36:01] <+Nikky> I have a jstor account
[08:36:09] <+Nikky> and I'm not sharing my password
[08:36:13] <+Nikky> :)
[08:36:31] <+Nikky> He could probably access it on a local library computer
[08:36:50] <+Nikky> or at a local university library at least
[08:36:57] <+Nikky> I'm not sure why I'm saying this
[08:37:01] <+Nikky> Bscause he left hours ago
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[08:49:54] <@E-J> well i don't have account myself but i think my university have some account and i can always tunnel my connection through university network
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[10:11:19] <@E-J> asmand: http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Job.do?lang=fi&jobID=6920368
[10:13:37] <+nicolas> ugh.. finnish job postings, can't read those
[10:13:39] <+nicolas> :P
[10:14:26] <@E-J> well, they are looking for pirate
[10:14:32] <@E-J> merirosvo = pirate
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[10:25:40] <@efneTI86> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[10:29:26] <@E-J> nicolas: btw how did you guess that was about job :)
[10:37:21] <@benryves> 'lo E-J
[10:38:05] <@E-J> hel' ben'
[10:47:44] <+nicolas> E-J: dunno... maybe the url ? ;-)
[10:47:57] <+nicolas> besides the format/layout of the page looks like something like that
[10:48:40] <+nicolas> plus... looking again... there's "CV" on that pge :P
[10:51:03] <@E-J> heh
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[11:13:08] <@efneTI86> [DSP_Lord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[11:14:30] <@E-J> nicolas: http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Job.do?lang=fi&jobID=6929219&index=7&anchor=6929219 this you can almost read
[11:15:16] <@benryves> Finnish looks surprisingly like English.
[11:16:08] <@E-J> :)
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[12:07:06] < incubus[]> aaaagh
[12:07:10] < incubus[]> I haven't been here in forever
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[12:07:17] <+incubus[]> sorry about that guys, forgot to add this to my on join
[12:17:55] < i_c-Y> its okay - we forgive you.
[12:18:24] <@benryves> I don't. ¬_¬
[12:22:25] < Randomist> Grr... Opera is gettin' on my nerves.
[12:22:50] <@benryves> How so, Randomist?
[12:23:01] < Randomist> Flash in Linux.
[12:23:21] <@benryves> Erm, what? :|
[12:23:42] < Randomist> Flash keeps making Opera freeze up constantly.
[12:24:21] < Randomist> I eventually dropped the propritary Flash, and got Gnash, and Gnash does not work with Opera.
[12:24:26] < Randomist> * but
[12:25:38] < Randomist> I still can't get parts of DeviantArt and some other sites working properly on Opera, either.
[12:26:15] <@benryves> Google are certainly too lazy to support Opera.
[12:27:31] < Randomist> Opera might be perfect and all, but it's no fun when many web site devs aren't really caring much about it to support it.
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[12:30:14] <@benryves> wb; "Many"?
[12:30:47] <@benryves> The only sites I really have problems with are Google's and Microsoft Virtual Earth.
[12:35:58] < Randomist> Meh.  Either way, looks like I'm stuck with Firefox until Adobe does something to improve Flash with Opera on Linux.
[12:36:09] < Randomist> (Which'll probably be never.)
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[12:46:00] < i_c-Y> ie write a native opera plugin
[12:46:05] < i_c-Y> which will happen... never.
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[12:50:18] < tr1p1ea> hey what are those plastic tabs the close wrapped loaves of bread called? O_o
[12:50:54] <@benryves> You may have to consult The Meaning of Liff for that :\
[12:50:57] <@benryves> Heya tr1p1ea :D
[12:52:04] < tr1p1ea> hey ben :)
[12:53:57] < i_c-Y> a tie?
[12:54:10] < tr1p1ea> im gonna stick with bread tab i think
[12:54:29] < i_c-Y> or a bread tab.
[12:55:48] < i_c-Y> snopes calls it a plastic tab
[12:57:23] < i_c-Y> http://www.snopes.com/food/prepare/breadtag.asp
[13:02:16] <+Merthsoft> i wonder if there is, like, an industry term for them
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[14:38:29] <@efneTI86> [Leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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[15:19:22] <@efneTI86> [Kira] We called it Sin.
[15:19:40]  * Kira looks at the topic
[15:19:41] < Kira> I knew it.
[15:20:26] <+DSP_Lord> lolwut
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[15:21:03] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] Hail to the king baby!
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[15:48:08] < aikidox> mmmm. custom psp firmware :)
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[15:49:10] < Kira> custom firmware is nice
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[16:00:37] <@efneTI86> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[17:05:45] < millinao> What's different in BrandonW's build?
[17:23:11] <@E-J> it's better?
[17:23:42] < millinao> oh, of course
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[17:27:56] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] Hail to the king baby!
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[17:32:28] < Sir_Lewk> the more I mess around with it, the more I realize that dnsmasq is the shit
[17:33:53] < millinao> what's the use of it anyway
[17:34:02] < Sir_Lewk> dhcp/dns server
[17:34:09] < Sir_Lewk> handy for setting up a router
[17:34:24] < millinao> OH, diy routers
[17:34:46] < millinao> I keep thinking netgear when I think router :P
[17:35:10] < Sir_Lewk> my mid 90's era PC :)
[17:35:37] < millinao> what network cards provide more than 1 ethernet port anyway
[17:35:56] < Sir_Lewk> I don't know, need to see if I can find some
[17:36:06] < Sir_Lewk> I just have three ethernet cards in it right now
[17:36:28] < millinao> oh, you can do that
[17:36:38] < Sir_Lewk> yeah sure
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[17:36:45] < Sir_Lewk> well, I have 2 working
[17:36:56] < millinao> concievably, you could just take apart a linux-based router and take the network card out of that
[17:37:02] < millinao> if it's not all on one chip
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[17:37:27] < Sir_Lewk> there's probably something on newegg or something
[17:37:30] < millinao> but then you might as well just use the router
[17:38:35] < millinao> wtf, where is the network card section on newegg
[17:38:52] < millinao> oh, nvm
[17:38:55] < Kira> loser
[17:40:12] < millinao> wait, can you just plug multiple network cards into multiple PCI slots
[17:40:24] < millinao> I don't know anything about PC hardware
[17:43:31] < Sir_Lewk> holy shit these things are expensive :O
[17:43:44] < Sir_Lewk> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106108 two ports
[17:44:00] < Sir_Lewk> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106029 4 ports
[17:45:23] < Sir_Lewk> I should just get a switch for that much...
[17:45:58] <@E-J> those normally aren't for normal people
[17:48:53] < Sir_Lewk> switches or those cards?
[17:49:18] <@E-J> those cards
[17:50:14] < Sir_Lewk> yeah
[17:50:16] < Sir_Lewk> I don't need a gigabit card either
[17:50:32] < Sir_Lewk> my connection is only 100 Mb/s
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[18:10:34] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] Hail to the king baby!
[18:11:59] < Sir_Lewk> stupid firealarm
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[18:16:38] < Sir_Lewk> like, Woah, it's likeWOAH
[18:16:43] < likeWOAH> woah.
[18:17:55] < likeWOAH> hm...
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[18:18:04] <@efneTI86> [notLeofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
[18:18:07] < likeWOAH> time to find a new linux distro for this computer.
[18:18:15] < Sir_Lewk> grr, I have to 'emerge squid' again because of that idiot fire-alarm
[18:18:20] < likeWOAH> slamd64's pkgtool is buggy for some reason.
[18:18:55] < likeWOAH> why dont you just use a distro or something that is dedicated for being a gateway?
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[18:19:32] < Sir_Lewk> gentoo is easy to configure/mess around with
[18:19:49] < Sir_Lewk> I don't really *need* a router, it's just fun and handy
[18:20:17] < millinao> "emerge squid"? sounds like a porno
[18:21:43] < i_c-Y> squid is a caching tool or something.
[18:21:51] < Sir_Lewk> hellz yea
[18:22:04] < i_c-Y> i just use a wrt54gl at home so i dont really care
[18:22:14] < Sir_Lewk> tentacle pr0n ftw
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[18:43:59] <+Spengo> whoah nice
[18:44:29] <+Spengo> IT position I could do that makes $500/week
[18:44:33]  * Spengo applies NAO
[18:44:44] <+Spengo> that's... a whole lot of money o_o
[18:44:50] <+Spengo> over twice what I make now
[18:44:57] <+Spengo> well
[18:44:59] <+Spengo> almost twice
[18:45:01] <+Spengo> I guess
[18:45:23] < millinao> nice
[18:46:12] <+Spengo> probably lots of people will apply though, but hopefully I have a decent chance
[18:46:20] <+Spengo> also lulz @ qc
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[18:47:20] < Milyardo> I'll Apply
[18:47:29] < Milyardo> Who are you applying to?
[18:48:01] <+Spengo> nobody that is near where you live
[18:48:08] < Milyardo> O.O
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[18:48:12] < Milyardo> How do you know where I live?
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[18:49:11] <+Spengo> you're at the university of michigan apparently
[18:49:31] <+Spengo> am i right?
[18:49:34] < Milyardo> O.O
[18:49:45] < Milyardo> lol
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[18:49:54] < Milyardo> Ok I did mention that...
[18:50:01] <+Spengo> not that I'm aware of
[18:50:11] < millinao> maybe I should try applying :P
[18:50:20] < Milyardo> I didn't mention that?
[18:50:27] < i_c-Y> Milyardo: you seem to be a bit shocked. go look at the Whois info for your ip.
[18:50:29] <+Spengo> millinao, you're too young
[18:50:32] < millinao> I know
[18:50:34] < i_c-Y> http://ws.arin.net/whois/ for example.
[18:50:36] < millinao> that was the joke
[18:50:36] <+Spengo> psh i_c-Y don't tell him
[18:50:47] < Milyardo> w00t raptor.umflint.edu
[18:50:56] <+Spengo> I was gonna be all like, "I'm a mad h4x0r" and stuff
[18:51:03] < millinao> lawl
[18:51:18] < i_c-Y> bbl class lolz.
[18:51:29] < Milyardo> I remember mention I went UoM when we were talking about LDAP
[18:51:37] < Milyardo> and again when we talked about Cosign
[18:51:42] <+Spengo> I just did a whois on your IP dude :P
[18:52:10] < Milyardo> Yeah I know my IP is 1337
[18:52:18] < millinao> no he didn't, he's a mad haxor
[18:52:22] < Milyardo> I thought my hostname would show up though
[18:52:30] <+Spengo> your... IP is 1337?
[18:52:30] < Milyardo> not IP
[18:52:42] < Milyardo> 141.216.13.37 right?
[18:52:50] < Milyardo> oh wait
[18:52:51] <+Spengo> yes
[18:53:01] <+Spengo> no
[18:53:07] <+Spengo> 41.216.27.99
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[18:53:15] <+Spengo> 141.216.27.99
[18:53:15] < Milyardo> Oh right I'm ssh'd
[18:53:16] <+Spengo> I mean
[18:53:22] < Milyardo> lol
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[18:53:41] <+Spengo> but I think all 141.216.*.* is university of michigan
[18:53:55] < Milyardo> its the Flint campus
[18:54:10] < Milyardo> 141.213.*.* is the Ann Arbor Campus
[18:54:23] < Milyardo> and I have no idea what Dearborns is
[18:54:26] < Milyardo> no cares abotu them
[18:54:31] <+Spengo> that would explain the flint.umich.edu it goes through when I do a traceroute
[18:56:01] < millinao> Spengo, you're too lulzy to be an IT  guy
[18:56:39] <+Spengo> psh, I'd steal your personal data, but I wouldn't give it to anyone else
[18:57:03] < millinao> you'd probably goaste people you don't like or something
[18:57:15] <+Spengo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFobnADsQgI HAHAHA
[18:57:22] <+Spengo> I dunno why, but that's really funny
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[18:59:25] < Milyardo> I'd proboly redirect certain users to goaste very time they auth through our proxy if it weren't for the fact that I'd proboly lose my job
[19:01:17] < millinao> i'd probably just link them to an image saying "THESE WEBSITES ARE BLOCKED FOR A REASON"
[19:02:59] <+Spengo> it's more fun to redirect to nimp or zoy
[19:03:25] <+Spengo> last measures > plain old shock sites
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[19:04:39] < millinao> haha, I haven't heard of these before
[19:05:04] <+Spengo> oh really
[19:05:14] < millinao> I have urbandictionary
[19:05:25] <+Spengo> urbandictionary fails it
[19:14:13] < millinao> oh sweet, the new sam and max games are coming to the wii
[19:14:25] < millinao> that might actually make me want to buy them'
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[19:40:28] < millinao> god damn I need better internet
[19:40:49] < millinao> it's taken 45 minutes to download 500 MB
[19:42:29] <+chronomex> not too shabby
[19:42:36] <+chronomex> at least you're above 1200bps
[19:42:42] <+chronomex> 's better than paper tape :D
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[19:53:07] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] Hail to the king baby!
[19:58:47] < Sir_Lewk> "<Spengo> also lulz @ qc" ?
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[20:02:08] < millinao> woo, new zero punctuation
[20:02:17] < Sir_Lewk> what about?
[20:03:03] < millinao> no more heroes
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[20:05:11] <@efneTI86> [Tyler2] I no longer speak fluent dialup.
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[20:06:38] < millinao> apparently he liked it
[20:09:48] < Sir_Lewk> love Muse
[20:14:23] <+Spengo> Sir_Lewk, ?
[20:14:57] <+Spengo> questionable content
[20:15:33] < millinao> that webcomic isn't that funny
[20:15:44] < Sir_Lewk> it's well drawn
[20:16:11] < Sir_Lewk> my favorite webcomic is Dresden Codak though
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[20:24:26] < Randomist> My scanner worked out of the box in Ubuntu, but not in Debian...
[20:24:38] < Randomist> SANE is installed and everything.
[20:26:06] < Randomist> "sane-find-scanner" detects it, but none of the programs (XSan; Kooka) do.
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[20:35:04] < Randomist> One guide says to add myself to the "scanner" group... 'cept there's not one.
[20:35:25] < Randomist> Maybe that was only an Ubuntu thing.
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[20:43:54]  * Randomist finally agrees with i_c-Y and Nikky, and switches back to XFCE.
[20:47:41] <+Nikky> amusing
[20:47:46] <+Nikky> since I'm installing KDE right now
[20:47:54] <+Nikky> to remind myself how lame it is
[20:48:15] < Randomist> Want something worse, try KDE4.
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[20:53:47] < Sir_Lewk> Nikky, haha
[20:54:08] < Sir_Lewk> KDE4 is just lacking in features right now
[20:54:27] < Sir_Lewk> you should like it, rather gnomish :P
[20:54:37] <+Nikky> sounds great
[20:54:54] <+Nikky> Features are for turds
[20:55:09] < Sir_Lewk> truly
[20:55:12] < Randomist> Aww, I still can't get my scanner set up...
[20:55:51] < Randomist> Can't think of what I don't possibly have installed... but xsane won't even detect as root user... sane-find-scanner still does.
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[20:58:36] < Sir_Lewk> what scanner is it?
[20:58:53] < Randomist> An Epson CX3810.
[21:00:21] < Sir_Lewk> I used to have a multifunction Brother laser printer/scanner/fax working in linux
[21:00:34] < Sir_Lewk> pretty much just worked after installing their driver
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[21:30:34] < boxknife> Hey, mokomull
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[21:31:45] < boxknife> I built a PIC programmer with a kit, but I have no idea what to do with it. Does it only work with certain kinds of chips?
[21:32:27] < boxknife> I put in a 40 socket keyboard control chip I got from this old motherboard and I want the programmer to read what's on the chip.
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[21:53:41] < Com125> I'm using this name instead of Tamama
[21:53:42] < Com125> so yeah
[21:54:54] < TheStorm> whats with the topic, where can we get the brandonw build of mirage?
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[21:59:16] < Peter_W> lol
[21:59:19] < Peter_W> Go go BrandonW!
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[22:02:00] < prime38> anyone use belarc advisor?
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[22:15:03] <@E-J> http://crap.fi:81/?i=6392
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[22:16:18] < prime38> i didnt need a ticket to see that fight
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[22:18:47] <@efneTI86> [S123X] Never Phear, For the Phoenix is here!
[22:18:50] < S123X> hey all
[22:18:56] < Peter_W> Wait.. the Phoenix?
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[22:19:23] <+S123X> so yall
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[22:19:39] <+S123X> Peter_W: I'm not ShadowPho no
[22:19:47] < prime38> S123X: did you go by a different name before?
[22:19:50] < Peter_W> heh, k..
[22:19:58] <+S123X> prime38: no, but everyone keeps asking me that
[22:20:15] <+S123X> it's something about being a comcast user from illinois I believe
[22:20:52] <+S123X> so
[22:21:08] <+S123X> what do you all think would be the essentials for a TI 84 + SE
[22:21:12] <+S123X> from ticalc.org
[22:21:14] <+S123X> apps and progs
[22:21:33] < prime38> omnicalc, calcsys
[22:21:57] < prime38> and, ill give in, mirageos
[22:22:20] < prime38> ohh, symbolic as well
[22:22:25] < prime38> those are all apps
[22:22:46] < prime38> for games, mr. worm
[22:22:49] <@E-J> ti-86
[22:23:39] < prime38> E-J: what?
[22:24:29] < Peter_W> heh
[22:24:34] < Peter_W> Emu8x, he means? :P
[22:24:47] <@E-J> nope, i mean actual calc
[22:24:52] < Peter_W> yeah yeah
[22:25:03] < Peter_W> but that's thinking outside the dimensions at hand
[22:25:38] <+S123X> what's omnicalc?
[22:26:13] < prime38> it adds more features
[22:26:25] < prime38> and weird stuff, like you can change your font
[22:26:37] < prime38> http://www.detachedsolutions.com/omnicalc/
[22:28:08] < Peter_W> ah yes.. custom fonts
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[22:28:18] < Peter_W> reverse the alphabet, confuse your friends!
[22:30:08] <+ports> hrm
[22:30:10] <+ports> any stargate fans?
[22:30:10] < Kira> I totally made my own spicy panini sandwiches
[22:30:17] < prime38> BrandonW is
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[22:31:56] < Peter_W> Andy_J is too, IIRC?
[22:32:00] < Kira> yep
[22:32:09] < Peter_W> I've watched it; some of the episodes are rather.. odd, but most are good
[22:32:22] < Kira> yeah
[22:32:25] < prime38> does google honor wildcards?
[22:32:31] < Kira> sortof
[22:32:39] < prime38> how to i find files named BenchmarkSummary*.html
[22:33:39] < Kira> I would think that would do it
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[22:34:55] <+S123X> what's the lite8x file with the omnicalc archive?
[22:35:09] < prime38> i think that is a compression thing
[22:35:16] <+S123X> should i worry about it?
[22:35:22] < prime38> look in the docs
[22:35:35] < Peter_W> wouldn't that be an example or something?
[22:35:43] < Peter_W> or is it a windows executable?
[22:36:00] < prime38> google changed the advances search page
[22:36:04] < prime38> i dont like it
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[22:53:39] < Netham45> hmm
[22:53:54] < Netham45> 59k users on efnet, 28k channels
[22:54:04] < Netham45> that's almost 2 people to one channel
[22:54:06] < Netham45> lol
[22:54:42] < prime38> people can be in multiple channels...
[22:54:49] < Netham45> yea, but still.
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[23:03:37] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] Hail to the king baby!
[23:04:19]  * Cricket_B has returned
[23:05:08]  * Sir_Lewk runs
[23:05:32]  * Peter_W tosses Cricket_B and Sir_Lewk into the same jail cell with celery
[23:05:45]  * Cricket_B eats the celery
[23:05:56] < Cricket_B> I like celery :D
[23:05:59]  * Sir_Lewk eats the cricket
[23:06:04] < Sir_Lewk> I love insects
[23:06:06] < Cricket_B> What cricket?
[23:06:23] < Sir_Lewk> cricket b
[23:06:30] < prime38> later, niggers
[23:06:32]  * Cricket_B is not a cricket
[23:06:43] < Sir_Lewk> not as good as "A" grade crickets but tasty nevertheless
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[23:06:57] < BrandonW> That guy is a huge racist.
[23:07:03] < Cricket_B> I came up with a project idea
[23:07:22] < Cricket_B> (not programming related, OK, RevASM)
[23:07:58] < BrandonW> No idea what that is.
[23:08:04] < Cricket_B> We come up with a list of hooks each application uses, then assemble that into a file.
[23:08:18] < Cricket_B> (RevASM means REVerse ASseMbling)
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[23:08:28] < Peter_W> No disassemble, no disassemble!
[23:08:35] < BrandonW> Number Johnny Five!
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[23:08:51] < Cricket_B> That way, we can find out what apps work easily with each other.
[23:09:26] < BrandonW> We already know that.
[23:09:33] < BrandonW> In fact, a hook manager was written that would let you use more than one at once.
[23:09:40] < BrandonW> Except Andy_J didn't finish it.
[23:09:41] < Cricket_B> hook manager?
[23:09:52] < BrandonW> It would let you chain them and organize their order.
[23:10:02] < Cricket_B> And view them?
[23:10:24] < BrandonW> As in, which ones an application used and what they were? Yes.
[23:10:32] < Cricket_B> Is there a pre-release out?
[23:10:52] < Peter_W> That isn't the one with the keyboard stuff, or is it?
[23:10:53] < BrandonW> There may be something. You'd have to bug him.
[23:10:58] <+patz2009> That would be a question better directed to Andy_J
[23:11:03] < BrandonW> He was paid $4500 to do it.
[23:11:13] < Cricket_B> can you lastspoke him?
[23:11:25] < BrandonW> I've already said his name, that's enough to piss him off.
[23:11:40] < Cricket_B> No, I want to see if he's nearby
[23:11:46] < BrandonW> He's always nearby.
[23:11:48] < BrandonW> Watch and see.
[23:11:52] < Cricket_B> nvr mind
[23:11:58] < Cricket_B> I'll search my log
[23:12:56] < BrandonW> Fred: "Are you okay?" Johnny Five: "Functioning 100%. Perfectly KO, Derf." Fred: "It's Fred." Johnny Five: "That's what I said. Derf."
[23:13:08] < BrandonW> I'd probably still cry if I watched the scene where they beat him up.
[23:13:14] < Cricket_B> Andy_J's last statement:
[23:13:15] < Cricket_B> [22:41] <Andy_J> something silly like that
[23:13:27] < Cricket_B> Last night...
[23:13:30] < Peter_W> I don't really remember that movie terribly well
[23:13:33] < Cricket_B> (I think)
[23:13:43] < Peter_W> but... "Luuucy!!! I'm home!" *mangling breakfast*
[23:13:50] <+Spengo> I want $4500
[23:13:52] < BrandonW> Iiiiinput!
[23:13:58] < Peter_W> O_O
[23:14:10] < Sir_Lewk> I can give you more than that Spengo
[23:14:14] <+Spengo> really?
[23:14:22] < Sir_Lewk> it's internet money though
[23:14:22] <+Nikky> Cricket_B: already done
[23:14:25] <+Nikky> bug Andy_J 
[23:14:30] <+Spengo> paypal thespengo at gmail
[23:14:30] <+Nikky> even though BrandonW just said that
[23:14:36] <+Nikky> but I'm sure he'll just accuse me of being a troll
[23:14:41] <+Spengo> D:
[23:14:45] < Cricket_B> Calcg.org does
[23:14:55] < Cricket_B> BrandonW
[23:14:57] < Cricket_B> !
[23:15:16] < Sir_Lewk> OHSHITBRBBBQ
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[23:15:20] < Cricket_B> The title says you made a build of MirageOS
[23:15:25] < BrandonW> See how transparent that was? He thinks I'm evil because I called him a troll, but everyone already knows it.
[23:15:29] < Cricket_B> *topic
[23:15:30] <@Andy_J> ?
[23:15:43] < BrandonW> See, I told you. And he pulled out the question mark, so he's angry.
[23:15:43] <+Nikky> I'm not a troll. :(
[23:15:50] < Cricket_B> Was it a new version?
[23:15:55] <+Spengo> I'd buy an accurized Colt AR15 with a 24" barrel and a tpd-axr
[23:16:01] <+Spengo> and lots of .223
[23:16:03] < Cricket_B> Andy_J
[23:16:03] < BrandonW> It's the unreleased beta.
[23:16:07] <@Andy_J> No, I'm puzzled.
[23:16:15] < Cricket_B> BrandonW: OK
[23:16:20] <@Andy_J> I really haven't said anything in here since last night?
[23:16:44] < Cricket_B> Andy_J: Can I have a copy of the hook manager, please? My DCC is open
[23:16:52] <@Andy_J> ...
[23:17:03] < Peter_W> What's with the yellow light message on AIM, Andy_J? Did some people you know say that? o:
[23:17:04] <@Andy_J> I see you've got other people bugging me about it now, BrandonW.
[23:17:10] <+Nikky> finish it
[23:17:12] <@Andy_J> Peter_W: It's an in joke.
[23:17:18] < Peter_W> k.
[23:17:19] < BrandonW> You deserve to be bugged about it.
[23:17:24] <+Nikky> $4500
[23:17:26] < BrandonW> Mentioning it to others is no crime.
[23:17:29] <@Andy_J> Do NOT get me started about how I don't have any time for tne next two weeks.
[23:17:45] < Cricket_B> That's why I didn't say what my secret project is
[23:17:48] <@Andy_J> Because I don't have any time for the next two weeks.
[23:18:02] <+Nikky> Cricket_B: You are also not getting paid for your 84+/USB project.
[23:18:03] < Cricket_B> (speaking of which, I haven't worked on it for a long time)
[23:18:37] < Cricket_B> I know. Good fame is all I'm after
[23:19:20] < Cricket_B> Is there a pre-release of Hook Manager?
[23:19:26] < Cricket_B> (guessed the name)
[23:20:51] < Cricket_B> Anyone know of an app that can rearrange your Apps menu?
[23:21:14] <+Nikky> Rename the app
[23:21:19] < Cricket_B> How?
[23:23:38]  * Cricket_B gets his flash drive to work on the USB project
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[23:23:54] < Cricket_B> ...it's a USB flash drive.
[23:24:07] < Cricket_B> COM ports have nothing to worry about
[23:24:21] < Cricket_B> (quote that, please)
[23:25:42] < BrandonW> Andy_J, you've had "no time for the next two weeks" for several months.
[23:26:28] < Peter_W> Und if it 'as been trrue?
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[23:27:13] < Cricket_B> Hi, i_c-Y!!!
[23:27:19] < Peter_W> I think the temperature just dropped, on two counts.
[23:27:30] < Cricket_B> ?
[23:27:38] < Cricket_B> I know one is i_c-Y...
[23:28:00] < Cricket_B> ...what's the other?
[23:28:05] < Peter_W> the same
[23:29:20]  * Cricket_B starts a continuation trick; ... (3 dots) means continued, while ..... (5 dots) just means it's drifting off.....
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[23:29:37] < Cricket_B> Hi, COM1 25
[23:29:40] < Peter_W> *yawn*
[23:30:00] < Cricket_B> (srry if the joke upset you)
[23:30:38] < Cricket_B> (just that one of the viruses someone made made your computer think it had 99 COM1 ports)
[23:30:50] < Cricket_B> *first made = wrote
[23:31:25] < Cricket_B> Today, I cut a speaker cable...
[23:31:51] < Cricket_B> ...I'm able to make external hardware for my calc now.
[23:32:28] < Cricket_B> I bought an adapter from when I experimented with on-calc music.....
[23:32:57] < BrandonW> What did you make?
[23:33:14] < Cricket_B> Nothing, yet
[23:33:23] < Cricket_B> Just a spliced speaker cable :)
[23:33:59] < BrandonW> There's not much to make.
[23:34:36] < Cricket_B> BrandonW, is there a BCALL which can convert a register to 7-byte BCD?
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[23:35:11] < BrandonW> If by that, you mean a register to a floating-point OP value, yes.
[23:35:21] < BrandonW> _SetXXOP1 and _SetXXXXOP2, which do A and HL, respectively.
[23:35:30] < Cricket_B> And the regester can be HEX valued?
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[23:35:39] < BrandonW> What do you mean by "HEX valued"?
[23:35:48] < Peter_W> 0-F?
[23:35:49] < Peter_W> err..
[23:35:52] < Cricket_B> For example, 0xFF converts to 255
[23:35:59] < Cricket_B> (I believe)
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[23:36:16] < BrandonW> Yes, but I still don't understand what you mean.
[23:36:31] <+tifreak> 'lo
[23:36:34] <+patz2009> Cricket_B: All numbers can be represented in hexidecimal.
[23:36:43] < Peter_W> If you ld a,0xFF... it's the same thing as ld a,255
[23:37:20] <+tifreak> 1 byte less if you do it decimal over hex, right?
[23:37:25] < BrandonW> No.
[23:37:38] <+tifreak> ah, just curious :)
[23:37:39] < BrandonW> It still translates to the same values.
[23:37:44] < BrandonW> 3EFF is what you get.
[23:37:46] < Cricket_B> I put 0xFF into a, then run the BCALL, and then OP1 has the value of 255
[23:37:58] < BrandonW> 3E is the opcode for "ld a,n" and the operand is FF.
[23:38:17] < BrandonW> Cricket_B, then what you want is _SetXXOP1.
[23:39:03] < Cricket_B> So that would convert a hexadecimal value to binary coded decimal?
[23:39:20] < BrandonW> Yeah, we call it a floating-point value.
[23:39:23] < BrandonW> In TI's format.
[23:39:45] < Cricket_B> _SetXXOP1, is it in TI's doc?
[23:40:11] < Cricket_B> *BCALL list
[23:40:16] < BrandonW> I'm pretty sure it is, yes.
[23:40:24] < Cricket_B> K.
[23:41:17] < Cricket_B> Are the 89, 92, and V200 similar?
[23:41:22] <+Nikky> yes
[23:41:40] < BrandonW> 92+*
[23:41:40] < Cricket_B> Like how the 83 and 84 are?
[23:41:43] <+Nikky> identical for all intents and purposes except for the layout and the 92/v200 have larger screens
[23:41:45] < BrandonW> The 92 is a little more difference.
[23:41:49] < BrandonW> different.*
[23:41:53] <+Nikky> That is true
[23:41:58] < BrandonW> Don't say 83 and 84, you'll confuse it with the TI-83.
[23:41:59] < Cricket_B> K
[23:42:03] < BrandonW> You need the plus.
[23:42:04] <+Nikky> but a true TI-92 is pretty rare
[23:42:08] < BrandonW> I have two.
[23:42:17] < Cricket_B> grant92 has one
[23:42:19] <+Nikky> You're also pretty rare
[23:42:22] < BrandonW> :)
[23:42:28] < Cricket_B> BrandonW, how much for one from you?
[23:42:28] <+tifreak> lol
[23:42:41] < BrandonW> More than you have.
[23:42:46] <+patz2009> Where is the TI-84?
[23:42:46] < BrandonW> You'd do better to get one off eBay for ~$60.
[23:42:47] <+patz2009> I want it.
[23:43:07] < BrandonW> tifreak, your stuff is on its way.
[23:43:14] <+tifreak> thanks ^^
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[23:43:22] <+tifreak> Have you watched Star Wreck yet??
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[23:43:34] < BrandonW> No, but I saw it in the root of one of my external hard drives.
[23:43:36] < BrandonW> I'm organizing.
[23:43:38] < BrandonW> I'm getting there!
[23:43:39] <+tifreak> lol
[23:43:51] <+chronomex> I bought another calc today ... PH 49G+
[23:43:52] < BrandonW> It takes time to organize 1.65TB of stuff.
[23:43:58] <+tifreak> o.O
[23:44:00] <+tifreak> O.o
[23:44:03] <+tifreak> wow
[23:44:13] <+Nikky> he's an avid photographer
[23:44:20] < glk1> My url has much HP data http://grahamkendall.net/
[23:44:29] <+Nikky> thanks glk1 :)
[23:44:35] < Cricket_B> BrandonW, when you write the next version of MirageOS, can you have ON+# start an app or program?
[23:44:36] <+tifreak> lol
[23:44:49] < glk1> Over 10 years of newsgroup messages
[23:44:59] < glk1> I have several HP calcs
[23:45:15] < BrandonW> Cricket_B, I suppose. But you guys have to keep in mind that it's almost COMPLETELY out of space. I see room for optimization, but I'm serious, there's like 32 bytes free.
[23:45:31] < Cricket_B> ???
[23:46:21] < BrandonW> That doesn't help me help you understand.
[23:46:43] <+tifreak> heh
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[23:47:03] <+ports> BrandonW, did merlins weapon actually kill all the ascended Ori?
[23:47:16] < BrandonW> Do you want me to tell you?
[23:47:34] <+ports> yes.. im skipping around episodes because i dont want to watch S8-S10 .. thats 60 hours
[23:47:36] <+tifreak> definitely do not want to spoil it for you... :P
[23:47:51] <+tifreak> you find out in the movie
[23:47:52] < BrandonW> Yes, all the Ori that were ascended at the time of that weapon going off have died.
[23:48:15] <+ports> k
[23:48:24] <+ports> i dont get this whole 4 races thing..
[23:48:45] <+ports> nox, ancients, asgard.. did they ever reveal #4?
[23:48:53] <+tifreak> Ferlings
[23:49:03] <+tifreak> but was never shown, if i remember
[23:49:17] <+ports> yeah.. i dont ever remember them showing up
[23:49:27] <+tifreak> except in #200, I think... :P
[23:49:34] <+tifreak> looked like Ewoks
[23:49:37] <+ports> 200?
[23:49:39] < BrandonW> The Furlings were never shown, but there was an episode called Paradise Lost about them, where you saw skeletal remains but never a live one.
[23:49:48] < BrandonW> Episode 200. I don't recommend it.
[23:49:53] <+tifreak> yeah
[23:50:00] <+tifreak> stupidity is abundant in that episode
[23:50:25] <+tifreak> Paradise Lost, eh? Have to look for that one...
[23:51:03] < BrandonW> Yeah, it's when O'Neill and Maybourne were transported to a field with no way of getting back to civilization or SG-1.
[23:51:47] <+tifreak> ooh, and when O'Niell should Maybourne... something to do with a plant they ate or something...
[23:51:54] <+tifreak> shot* not should... <.<
[23:51:57] <+tifreak> gah
[23:52:57] < BrandonW> Yeah, a Goa'uld snuck it in there to cause chaos.
[23:53:08] <+ports> hrm
[23:53:16] <+ports> ok so the asgard and ancients knew eachother..
[23:53:29] < BrandonW> Yes.
[23:53:33] <+ports> why arent they mentioned in Atlantis at all?
[23:53:51] < BrandonW> The Asgard?
[23:54:00] <+ports> yeah
[23:54:12] < BrandonW> They are...they even have an Asgard crewmember on the Daedalus.
[23:54:34] <+ports> well.. not that way i guess
[23:54:46] <+tifreak> Do you think they still do? 
[23:54:48] <+ports> youd think theyd find mention of the asgard in the city..
[23:54:52] < BrandonW> No, I think he was recalled.
[23:55:01] < BrandonW> What's to say they didn't, ports?
[23:55:08] <+ports> BrandonW, i havent seen it on tv.
[23:55:25] < BrandonW> Oh, right, you're the moron that believes if you didn't see it onscreen, it didn't happen.
[23:55:29] < Cricket_B> What address is _SetXXOP1?
[23:55:36] < BrandonW> Look it up in ti83plus.inc.
[23:55:39] <+ports> BrandonW, No, I don't assume. Asshat.
[23:56:04] < BrandonW> That's why you're not cut out for TV, or storytelling, or anything, really.
[23:56:19] <+chronomex> whoo flamewar
[23:56:21] <+ports> tifreak, BW is being a bitch because he's mad that I don't assume things happened in a tv show. Would you? If they don't talk about it, or show it, how do you know?
[23:56:24]  * chronomex fetches the kerosene
[23:56:35] < BrandonW> You have to fill some things in.
[23:56:44] <+tifreak> Well
[23:56:46] < BrandonW> Or keep an open mind about them.
[23:56:58] <+tifreak> one thing has been said, in season 1
[23:56:59] < BrandonW> The rule is if you saw it, then it happened, not if you didn't see it, then it didn't happen.
[23:57:18] <+ports> Right... but like my question of Asgard thing in Atlantis.. if they dont mention it... why should I just guess that it happened?
[23:57:31] < BrandonW> I DID NOT say it did.
[23:57:34] < BrandonW> We DON'T KNOW.
[23:57:38] < BrandonW> You're saying it didn't happen.
[23:57:42] < BrandonW> YOU'RE the assumer, asshat.
[23:58:00] < BrandonW> It's unknown.
[23:58:04] < BrandonW> That's the way it'll stay.
[23:58:09] < BrandonW> You will have to live with it.
[23:58:32] <+tifreak> when do the new episodes come back on, do you know?
[23:58:42] < BrandonW> I don't know for sure, but soon.
[23:59:25] <+tifreak> waiting for it and the 2nd movie
[23:59:39] < BrandonW> Yeah, I think the second one will be better.
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