--- Log opened Mon Mar 31 00:00:00 2008
[00:00:08] < Cricket_B> and the debug application is unfunctional.
[00:00:21] < Netham45> welcome to VB6?
[00:00:27] < Cricket_B> The only way I can quit is by unplugging the calculator
[00:00:42] < Cricket_B> or pressing ON on the calculator to leave the program
[00:00:54] < Calgar> you use vb6? well..... that was your first bug
[00:01:19] < Netham45> lol
[00:01:23] < Cricket_B> I'll try sending another _enter to the calculator, as the first line of the calculator's end is a pause.
[00:01:29] < Netham45> no, fun is using VB6 on Vista
[00:01:37] < Netham45> save every other line
[00:01:51] < Netham45> VB6 and Vista don't play nicely
[00:02:18] < BrandonW> VB6 doesn't play nicely period.
[00:02:24] < Calgar> Ramen
[00:02:25] < Cricket_B> The PC stops sending keys when the calc goes into the BASIC program
[00:02:28] < Netham45> in Windows 98, it is nice.
[00:02:44] < Cricket_B> I think it isn't processing the silent link requests.
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[00:03:10] < Calgar> ...... how can anything in windows 98.... be nice......
[00:03:21] < Netham45> Calgar, VB6 was written for Win98
[00:03:26] <+TheStorm> um windows 98 was not bad
[00:03:31] < Cricket_B> But, when I press ON to break, the calculator gets ENTER from the computer, go I can't GoTo
[00:03:33] < Netham45> and 98 is nice.
[00:03:50] < Cricket_B> But now it doesn't crash...
[00:04:02] < Cricket_B> I'll use INPUT there
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[00:05:22] < User467> hello, has anybody here used alchemistry ?? I have a quick question
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[00:07:51] < Cricket_B> Anyone know of a TI83-BASIC command that allows silent links?
[00:07:58] < BrandonW> There is none.
[00:07:59] <+TheStorm> pause
[00:08:05] < Netham45> Cricket_B, input
[00:08:06] < BrandonW> Unless you mean that.
[00:08:08] < Cricket_B> Pause doesn't work
[00:08:30] < Netham45> BrandonW, does getkey allow them?
[00:08:32] <+TheStorm> hmm then none
[00:08:33] <@E-J> Netham45: 98 doesn't have anything nice, it's buggy and unstable
[00:08:45] < Netham45> E-J, I never had issues with 98...
[00:08:48] <+TheStorm> no it isn't buggy or unstable
[00:08:50] < Cricket_B> Yeah, does GetKey work?
[00:08:51] < BrandonW> If you're in GetKey, you should be able to silent link.
[00:08:59] <+TheStorm> unless you connect it to the internet
[00:09:00] < Netham45> of course, I havn't had issues with Vista either
[00:09:10] < Cricket_B> I'll try the GETKEY
[00:09:30] <@E-J> i have had "issues" with every windows i have used
[00:09:39] <+TheStorm> but getkey doesn't wait lone enough to do anything with
[00:09:40] < Spengo> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic
[00:09:41] < Spengo> oh man
[00:09:44] < Spengo> they really did do that
[00:09:46] < Spengo> xD
[00:09:50] < Cricket_B> Nope; GetKey doesn't work
[00:10:03] < Spengo> I did not receive waffles though :(
[00:10:05] < BrandonW> Not getKey the BASIC command...I mean the assembly _getKey, which is called in Input, Prompt, Pause, and others.
[00:10:06] <@E-J> unfortunately i have to use windows still because some things (like games) won't work propelly enough on linux
[00:10:09] < Spengo> they were all gone
[00:10:37] < BrandonW> The BASIC getKey does not use _getKey at all.
[00:10:39] < Cricket_B> I guess I'll have to write a small ASM program which will get called from BASIC, then
[00:10:51] < Netham45> E-J, well, I havn't really had any issues with any OS.
[00:11:06] < Cricket_B> Wait; that wouldn't work out either.
[00:11:34] < Cricket_B> I have the computer starting a BASIC program via SendKeys, but the computer doesn
[00:11:49] < Cricket_B> ^srry, pressed ENTER instead of '
[00:11:57] < Netham45> I prefer windows because my games run natively, and I don't have to mess around with Wine/compiling Cedega.
[00:12:11] < Cricket_B> the computer doesn't get a signal that the key was recieved.
[00:12:36] < Cricket_B> The calc needs to stay in that program
[00:12:37] < BrandonW> As I understand it, TalkTI doesn't let you do much other than variable transfers. That's useless for what you want.
[00:12:43] < BrandonW> Which is why, again, I say go to TiLP.
[00:12:58] < Cricket_B> I can send keys to the calc with it
[00:13:18] < BrandonW> And by that, you mean you send 1 and it's as if 1 was pressed on the calculator?
[00:13:23] < Cricket_B> Yes
[00:13:30] < BrandonW> That's because it's using the silent link remote control packet.
[00:13:34] < BrandonW> Which works from the homescreen.
[00:13:40] < BrandonW> You need something that communicates with your own program.
[00:13:46] < Cricket_B> Yup
[00:13:55] < BrandonW> So...go to TiLP.
[00:14:09] < Cricket_B> I will not be able to use TiLP
[00:14:15] < Cricket_B> It won't work here
[00:14:17] < BrandonW> Or be very wasteful and write an assembly program that communicates with it through dummy variable transfers.
[00:14:59] < Barrett> I am kind of an idiot
[00:15:06] < Barrett> who spends $3,000 on a laptop?
[00:15:11] < BrandonW> You.
[00:15:11]  * Barrett raises hand
[00:15:35] < Barrett> i just went through with the customize your laptop thing to see what I could do with it
[00:15:40] < Cricket_B> I might be able to have the PC have the calc exit the program, then do some SendVars, then re-enter the program via ENTER
[00:16:03] < Cricket_B> I'll try that.
[00:16:09] < Barrett> oh good... nevermind
[00:16:12] < Barrett> i didn't spend any money yet
[00:16:36] < BrandonW> How is it that you're still breathing?
[00:16:52] < Cricket_B> Me?
[00:16:56] < BrandonW> No, Barrett.
[00:17:01] < Cricket_B> IDK
[00:17:11] < Barrett> well, I was only going to be able to do it using this "Bill me Later" thingy
[00:17:18] < Barrett> which is interest free if you pay it off before 6 months
[00:17:34] < Barrett> it didn't say the reason, but "Bill Me Later® was unable to authorize your transaction. Please select another payment method to complete your order"
[00:17:43] < Barrett> so I guess my credit history isn't long enough...
[00:17:49] < Netham45> perhaps you don't have the credit for it?
[00:17:50] < Netham45> yea
[00:17:56] < Barrett> (I've never missed a payment, but i haven't built enough yet)
[00:18:09] < Netham45> it declined me for the same issue.
[00:18:28] < Barrett> maybe my bank will give me a loan...
[00:18:55] < Barrett> I'm really bad at knowing what kinds of loans I am able to get
[00:19:00] < BrandonW> Because your $3000 laptop is necessary to your well-being.
[00:19:05] < Barrett> yes
[00:19:10] < Netham45> my bank won't even let me get a debit card in my own name. =/
[00:19:18] < Netham45> I have to have one of my parents cosign on it
[00:19:20] < Barrett> I need a 3lbs laptop
[00:19:24] < Barrett> and it has to perform
[00:19:47] <+Nikky> Netham45: It's because you're under 18.
[00:19:54] < Netham45> Nikky, incorrect.
[00:19:59] <+Nikky> No, that's correct.
[00:20:07] < Netham45> it's actually because I don't have a drivers license.
[00:20:11] <+Nikky> A minor can't technically contract in many situations.
[00:20:23] < BrandonW> That's the excuse they gave you that time.
[00:20:23] < Spengo> so
[00:20:24] <+Nikky> So they're very wary about such things in case you decide to turn evil.
[00:20:27] < Spengo> I hear the 9800GTX kinda sucks
[00:20:29] < Netham45> heh
[00:20:37] < Netham45> Spengo, don't go ATI. please.
[00:20:39] < BrandonW> You'll keep trying dumb stuff and eventually they'll have to resort to "You're under 18."
[00:20:44] < Spengo> Netham45, hells no
[00:20:49] < Spengo> it's just they named it funny really
[00:20:52] < Netham45> lol
[00:20:55] < Spengo> it's like when they made the 7800GTX
[00:21:08] < Spengo> and everyoen was like, umm, isn't it just a 6800 ultra?
[00:21:14] < Netham45> did the 8900 come out?
[00:21:22] < Spengo> a better name for the 9800GTX would be 8900
[00:21:26] < Spengo> 8900GT
[00:21:34] < BrandonW> Words of wisdom.
[00:21:35] < Barrett> well that figures... bill me later sent me an e-mail with a link to the reason that it wasn't authorized... but it won't let me login
[00:22:00] <@E-J> i have had no probs with ati, and i have had this same graphics card for years
[00:22:05] < Spengo> it uses the g92 chip again and since it has less memory and bandwidth on the memory bus it can't really be called a gtx
[00:22:18] < Netham45> E-J, when I had an ATI card, I had issues in Linux
[00:22:21] <@E-J> maybe because it, i have had no porbs
[00:22:33] <@E-J> Netham45: no issues there either
[00:22:38] < prime38> Spengo: do you have a fry's electronics in your area?
[00:22:44] < Spengo> prime38, kinda...
[00:22:45] < prime38> even been to one?
[00:22:46] < Spengo> it's a bit of a drive
[00:22:48] < prime38> *ever
[00:22:49] < Spengo> of course
[00:22:58] < prime38> i just went for the first time today
[00:23:05] < Netham45> the big-arse computer store in my area is Micro Center
[00:23:05] < Spengo> the one in oregon sucks
[00:23:08] < BrandonW> You can get a DVD burner for $22 with free shipping these days.
[00:23:11] < BrandonW> What has the world come to?
[00:23:14] < Netham45> BrandonW, yea.
[00:23:15] < Spengo> the one in sugarland texas is awesome though
[00:23:18] < prime38> blu-ray?
[00:23:23] < Spengo> polished floors, coffee shop, really fancy
[00:23:34] < Spengo> so whenever I visit my grandparents I go there
[00:23:35] < prime38> Spengo: yea
[00:23:39] < prime38> omg
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[00:23:41] < prime38> so many things
[00:24:04] < prime38> they must have had a million dollars of inventory on the floor
[00:24:05] <@E-J> i know it doesn't have open source drivers for linux but i don't care if they have make big hole to my computer's security and suck information about me from there
[00:24:10] < Spengo> yeah
[00:24:13] < Barrett> what??  "Too many accounts with balances.".... Zero is too many?
[00:24:19] < Spengo> no fancy glass cases
[00:24:28] < Spengo> but they check your receipt on the way out and stuf
[00:24:30] < Spengo> stuff
[00:24:34] <@E-J> but sleep time already ->
[00:24:38] < Spengo> it's like the computer version of costco kinda
[00:24:41] < prime38> Spengo: i noticed
[00:24:47] < Netham45> E-J, for some reason, I just couldn't get them to work.
[00:25:00] < prime38> i almost wasnt going to show the guy my receipt
[00:25:06] < Cricket_B> It works, but has very slow response times
[00:25:22] < Barrett> "Too many inquiries last 12 months."............................  how does that affect my credibility?
[00:25:25] < Netham45> unless I am shopping for a laptop, or something that is going to be outwardly showing I can look at before I get it, I usually just buy stuff off of the internet.
[00:25:30] < Spengo> the one in oregon is also horrible understaffed
[00:25:41] < Spengo> so you have to wait in longass lines to pay and get your receipt checked
[00:25:45] < Barrett> the only one of these 3 reasons that makes any sense is this one: "Length of time accounts have been established."
[00:25:57] < Cricket_B> The program is slow.
[00:26:00] < prime38> Spengo: they had 50 checkout lanes
[00:26:05] < Spengo> wow
[00:26:07] < prime38> only about half were open
[00:26:10] < Spengo> that's a big one
[00:26:13] < prime38> they wew all numbered
[00:26:22] < Cricket_B> too slow for pratical porpuses
[00:26:24] < Spengo> did you find and sweet sales?
[00:26:26] < prime38> i though they stopped at 32, but then there were more on the other side
[00:26:51] < prime38> i got a 19'' monitor of under $170 that came with a free printer
[00:27:08] < Spengo> hm
[00:27:12] < Spengo> what resolution?
[00:27:23] < prime38> 1280xsomething
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[00:27:28] < prime38> i think
[00:27:29] < Spengo> I got my 1680x1050 20" wide monitor for $180 on newegg
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[00:27:34] < Spengo> so I think that's better
[00:27:35] < prime38> i dont remember
[00:27:42] < prime38> its not for me anyways
[00:27:46] < Spengo> lol right click and see what display properties say
[00:27:46] < Spengo> oh
[00:27:55] < prime38> its not in front of me atm
[00:28:01] < Cricket_B> The response time for the program is 4 off-on cycles of the cursor
[00:28:17] <+TheStorm> heh I on a 46" 1366x786
[00:28:26] <+TheStorm> my moniter wins
[00:28:28] < Cricket_B> All I'm doing is setting a variable and pressing ENTER
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[00:28:30] < Spengo> hmm
[00:28:33] <+Nikky> It's more of a TV
[00:28:34] <+TheStorm> or my tv I guess
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[00:28:40] <+Nikky> A pretty low resolution 46" at that
[00:28:47] <+TheStorm> its 720p
[00:28:53] <+Nikky> Should be 1080
[00:28:57] < Spengo> specs-wise the 9800GTX looks almost identical to 8800GTS G92
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[00:29:04]  * Nikky licks Spengo 
[00:29:09] <+TheStorm> the 1080 was too much
[00:29:16] < Spengo> has a bit more memory bandwidth but for some reason slower texture fill rate... wtf?
[00:29:24] < Netham45> my grandpa just bought a 65" rear projection TV for $1800, and a big-arse 5.1 stereo for $500
[00:29:27] < Spengo> oh I see
[00:29:28] < BrandonW> I'm thinking of getting two more Samsung 226BWs for $420.
[00:29:29] < Netham45> I can't wait to get my PC on that thing
[00:29:30] < Cricket_B> Why is this so slow?
[00:29:34] < Spengo> they took away some of the texture units
[00:29:38] < Spengo> only 56 instead of 64
[00:29:39] < Cricket_B> ?
[00:29:41] < Cricket_B> ?
[00:29:55] < Spengo> so it all depends on pricing to see if the 9800GTX is worth anything
[00:30:07] < Spengo> should be about $250 or so I would think
[00:30:13] < BrandonW> Cricket_B, there's a LOT of overhead in these variable transfers you're doing. It's going to be pathetically slow. If you had just listened to my advice many hours ago which you tend not to do, you'd see that TiLP is the way to go. It's that or bust. TalkTI does not give you the kind of lower access you need.
[00:30:32] < Spengo> BrandonW, that's not a bad price for 22"ers
[00:30:50] < Cricket_B> I keep having to tell you, TiLP will NOT work on this computer.
[00:30:50] < BrandonW> I already have two.
[00:30:51] <+Nikky> I've never even *heard* of TalkTI.
[00:30:56] < Spengo> personally I don't see any reason to have a 22" over a 20" wide though
[00:31:00] < Spengo> since the resolution is the same
[00:31:01] < BrandonW> I keep having to tell you, you cannot do what you want to do without it.
[00:31:05] <+Nikky> For watching shows it's nice, Spengo 
[00:31:07] <+Nikky> That's about it
[00:31:07] < prime38> 226BW --> BW but its only in black and white
[00:31:13] < prime38> i prefer color monitors
[00:31:17] <+Nikky> haha
[00:31:17] < Spengo> I like black
[00:31:23] < i_c-Y> har har.
[00:31:25] < Spengo> colors are for mac users
[00:31:28] < Cricket_B> The SDK won't even register properly
[00:31:34] < i_c-Y> what kind of crack are you on, a gtx for 250?
[00:31:36] < Spengo> I WANT A BEIGE LCD DAMMIT
[00:31:41] < Spengo> i_c-Y, look at the specs of it
[00:31:43] < Spengo> it isn't really a GTX
[00:31:49] < Spengo> they just claim it is
[00:31:50] < i_c-Y> 79xx gtx was > 400, 8800 gtx was > 400
[00:31:55] < Spengo> YES
[00:31:56] < i_c-Y> they're going to damn charge you over 400.
[00:31:59] < i_c-Y> regardless of the specs.
[00:32:07] < Spengo> BUT 9800GTX LOOKS JUST LIKE 8800GTS 512MB BUT WITH LESS TEXTURE UNITS
[00:32:10] < Netham45> Spengo, I have a 22" one that got free shipping, so after shipping on a 20" one, it was like $3 more.
[00:32:18] < i_c-Y> Spengo: GUESS WHAT THEY DONT CARE!
[00:32:21] < prime38> Spengo: where do you find these specs?
[00:32:25] < Spengo> gpureview.com
[00:32:31] < prime38> thanks
[00:32:48] < Spengo> http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=559&card2=548
[00:33:11] < Spengo> sadly the review they link to in the article on the main page is not available anymore
[00:33:12] < Spengo> :(
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[00:37:06] < prime38> Spengo: how come cards of the same model have different speeds and memory
[00:37:16] < Spengo> what do you mean?
[00:37:20] < prime38> well
[00:37:24] < prime38> i am confused
[00:37:28] < Spengo> link to the confusion
[00:37:30] < prime38> there is diamond
[00:37:31] < prime38> and pny
[00:37:34] < Spengo> oh
[00:37:35] < prime38> and sapphire
[00:37:38] < Spengo> those ar the card manufacturers
[00:37:44] < Spengo> they do different tweaks to the graphics cards
[00:38:01] < Spengo> for example BFG (one that makes nvidia cards) often do a small stock overclock to the core
[00:38:24] < Spengo> and EVGA always has a stock speed version, a faster version, and a really fast version
[00:38:37] < prime38> so nvidia doesnt actually make them, they just design them?
[00:38:42] < Spengo> yeah
[00:38:47] < prime38> ahh
[00:38:51] < Spengo> you can mess with the clore and memory speed with the slider things on gpureview.com
[00:38:57] < Spengo> to see what the difference will be
[00:39:23] < Spengo> also with the lower end cards, people will often underclock them and use a passive cooler
[00:39:25] < Spengo> to reduce noise
[00:39:42] < Spengo> you can get passively cooled 8400's and stuff
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[00:39:55] < prime38> are the cards with stock fans the noisest part of a computer?
[00:40:03] < Spengo> not in my computer
[00:40:05] < i_c-Y> not necessarily.
[00:40:14] < i_c-Y> and there are high end passively cooled cards too.
[00:40:14] < Spengo> but they can be
[00:40:30] < Spengo> i_c-Y, yeah I've seen 'em, but I'm not sure how much I trust it
[00:40:46] < Spengo> my card runs pretty damn hot even with a fan
[00:41:00] < prime38> i would like to make a quiet computer
[00:41:14] < Spengo> you can make a quiet top-end computer if you use one of those fancy antec p180 cases
[00:41:16] < Spengo> expensive though
[00:41:23] < i_c-Y> yeah but you probably have shitty fans.
[00:41:28] < prime38> doesnt have to be silent, that would be nice, but seems really hard to do when using new stuff
[00:41:31] < i_c-Y> im hanging onto my panaflo's as long as i can.
[00:41:38] < Spengo> hehe
[00:41:48] < i_c-Y> and probably shitty airflow too.
[00:41:58] < Spengo> p180s have great airflow or so I hear
[00:42:11] < prime38> those a good looking cases
[00:42:12] < Spengo> and the fans are supposedly pretty decent
[00:42:14] < prime38> but kinda big
[00:42:20] < BrandonW> My friend has one.
[00:42:29] < prime38> i saw a bunch at fry's
[00:42:29] < Spengo> BrandonW, does it live up to the hype?
[00:42:36] < BrandonW> I guess.
[00:42:40] < BrandonW> Never heard him complain.
[00:42:45] < Spengo> looks like a big refrigerator lol
[00:42:52] < BrandonW> That's what I told him.
[00:42:54] < BrandonW> He told me to shut up.
[00:42:56] < Spengo> haha
[00:42:56] < BrandonW> And that was about it.
[00:43:12] < i_c-Y> its a good case.
[00:43:19] < i_c-Y> you have to select components carefully though
[00:43:27] < Spengo> yeah
[00:43:30] < Spengo> get a PSU with loooong cords
[00:43:33] < i_c-Y> cabling is an issue.
[00:43:36] < Spengo> it's mounted on the bottom
[00:43:39] < prime38> they had like 3 finishes, a black, that silver one, and a chrome-like finish
[00:43:44] < prime38> the black looked good
[00:43:48] < i_c-Y> well, its not just the bottom mount as an issue.
[00:43:56] < Spengo> have to go around
[00:44:04] < i_c-Y> but enough on that. i should finish writing this paper.
[00:45:00] < BrandonW> I can't decide whether I want to reformat now or not.
[00:45:09] < prime38> over what issue?
[00:45:23] < BrandonW> With work tomorrow, there might be some sort of issue and I'll need the setup I have now.
[00:45:36] < BrandonW> Over explorer.exe in a constant crash loop.
[00:45:47] < BrandonW> In XP, my main OS. I dual boot Vista and I'm in that now.
[00:46:01] < i_c-Y> suck it up and reformat.
[00:46:02] < i_c-Y> >:(
[00:46:02] < prime38> o_o sounds like a good reason to fix it, to me
[00:46:04] < BrandonW> Vista's going bye-bye when it happens.
[00:46:36] < i_c-Y> or do a repair install to hold yourself over till next weekend.
[00:46:44] < BrandonW> I'm not doing that.
[00:47:03] < BrandonW> The XP installation is on a 10GB partition anyway, this has needed to happen for quite a long time.
[00:47:06] < BrandonW> I constantly run out of space.
[00:47:23] < BrandonW> 1.5TB and I constantly run out of space.
[00:47:25] < BrandonW> Oh the irony...
[00:47:45] < Netham45> lol
[00:47:51] < Netham45> I never run out of space
[00:47:59] < BrandonW> Because you have some 10TB monstrosity.
[00:48:10] < Netham45> 3 10TB monstrosities, tyvm
[00:48:15] < Netham45> and my desktop has 1TB in it
[00:48:30] < BrandonW> How did you come across that again?
[00:48:34] < chronomex> a T won't be a monstrosity soon enough
[00:48:37] < BrandonW> Did you rob somebody?
[00:48:45] <+Nikky> his dad stole it, remember
[00:48:56] < BrandonW> I never knew.
[00:49:02] < BrandonW> But that sounds about right.
[00:49:12] < Barrett> you know what would be nice? a 3-hole-punch laptop
[00:49:19] < Barrett> one that you put in your 3 ring binder
[00:49:20] < DarkAuron> ...
[00:49:30] < BrandonW> Buy a Macbook Air and get it over with.
[00:49:48] < DarkAuron> !qadd <Barrett> you know what would be nice? a 3-hole-punch laptop | <Barrett> one that you put in your 3 ring binder | <BrandonW> Buy a Macbook Air and get it over with.
[00:49:49] <@efneTI86> Quote 1242 added
[00:49:50] < Barrett> actually I just found out that I need some form of windows
[00:50:00] < BrandonW> So put Windows on it.
[00:51:29] < Barrett> but a macbook air doesn't have 3 holes
[00:51:44] < BrandonW> Punch three holes in a manilla envelope and put it in that.
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[00:52:56] < chronomex> ba	it will when I'm done with it 
[00:53:16] < chronomex> Barrett: it will when I'm done with it
[00:53:17] < chronomex> fuck irssi
[00:53:22] <+DSP_Lord> no u
[00:55:18] < Spengo> windows eeepc?
[00:55:21] < Spengo> why would anyone want to do that
[00:55:29] < BrandonW> Why not?
[00:55:30] < Spengo> that's one computer linux is actually much more useful
[00:55:34] < Barrett> i've had this BBU for like 3 weeks now... maybe this would be a good week to make a stop at the datacenter
[00:55:35] < Spengo> warrrrdriving!
[00:55:57] <+Nikky> BBU?
[00:56:04] < i_c-Y> battery backup unit
[00:56:07] < Barrett> battery backup unit for the RAID card
[00:56:11] <+Nikky> ah
[00:56:22] < Spengo> linux has much better wardriving software afaik
[00:56:59] < Spengo> you know what would be neat?
[00:57:00] < i_c-Y> well yeah, because its easy to take cards into monitor mode among other things.
[00:57:12] < Spengo> if it had a big retractable antenna
[00:57:18] < Spengo> for epic wifi range
[00:57:28] < i_c-Y> it would be neat if i could make people shut up about it
[00:57:43] < BrandonW> It would be neat if I could make i_c-Y shut up.
[00:57:52] < Barrett> it would be neat if I could shut up
[00:57:53] < chronomex> BrandonW: that's called /ignore.  Use it.
[00:58:06] < BrandonW> You hush with your /ignore immaturity.
[00:58:22] < BrandonW> That command shouldn't even exist.
[00:58:22] < Spengo> or he'll start ignoring you!
[00:58:34] < BrandonW> Except in channels where bots must be spamming constantly with status about something.
[00:58:36] < BrandonW> And you don't want to see it.
[00:58:46] < Spengo> that's what I use it for
[00:59:24] < chronomex> !q
[00:59:25] <@efneTI86> 972: <DSP_Lord> woo | <DSP_Lord> deadness | <Spengwork> BIIICYCLE BIIICYCLE BIIICYCLE I want to ride my BIIICYCLE BIIICYCLE BIIICYCLE I want to ride my biCYcle I want to ride my biiike I want to ride my biCYCle I want to ride it where I liiike | <benryves> *bring bring* [Added: DSP_Lord at 2007/08/14 09:01]
[00:59:38] < chronomex> lol
[00:59:48] < Barrett> oooh I should print out a sticker for the server as well
[00:59:49] < mokomull> haha
[00:59:52] < Barrett> any good ideas for a sticker?
[01:00:12] <+Nikky> SCO sticker
[01:00:14] < chronomex> the naked lady profile you see on redneck pickup trucks
[01:00:18] < Barrett> http://www.cafepress.com/calcgames.4079273 ?
[01:00:22] < MetalRand> Whatever happened to SCO?
[01:00:34] <+Nikky> Still suing.
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[01:01:21] < Grue> !q 1236
[01:01:33] < Cricket_B> In OmniCalc, the LinkRecieve command is for which link?
[01:01:37] < chronomex> !qsay 1236
[01:01:38] < BrandonW> Make a ticalc.org one.
[01:01:38] <@efneTI86> 1236: <ports> anyone have a dell laptop? | <i_c-Y> aardvarq has a latitude D830 | <aardvarq> Just because I have a dell laptop on the back seat of my car, I have two dell laptops in boxes under my bed, my girlfriend has a dell laptop, and my ex-girlfriend has a dell laptop that I gave her, does not mean I own a dell laptop. | <aardvarq> Oh, and I was formatting a dell laptop this afternoon. | <aardvarq> But _MY_ laptop is a macbook pro. [Added aard
[01:01:51] < BrandonW> If you mean I/O or USB, I'd say I/O.
[01:01:51] < Grue> err yeah
[01:01:54] < BrandonW> Omnicalc knows nothing about USB.
[01:02:25] < Barrett> BrandonW would look good in this: http://www.cafepress.com/calcgames.12346504
[01:02:37] < Cricket_B> Well, I can't find the TiLP wrapper
[01:02:45] < BrandonW> If you buy me that, I'll wear it.
[01:03:17] < Barrett> cafepress is too expensive
[01:03:33] < Barrett> I bought myself a sweatshirt, a t-shirt, a clock, and a couple of stickers....... and 2 mousepads
[01:03:37] < Barrett> (years ago)
[01:03:50] < Barrett> I still use my calcgames.org sweatshirt (hoody) from time to time
[01:04:00] < Barrett> "Hooded Sweatshirt"
[01:04:30] < Barrett> the clock broke after a week of "use" (sitting on the wall)
[01:04:40] < BrandonW> Much as I hate Thinkpads, I kinda want the X300.
[01:04:55] < Barrett> i put a sticker somewhere in my high school where there were some other stickers... of course later that day I found that someone had taken it off
[01:05:11] < Barrett> why do you hate thinkpads?
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[01:06:58] < Cricket_B> Where can I get cticables2.dll ?
[01:08:27] <+TheStorm> Cricket_b=fail
[01:08:45] < Cricket_B> Where can I find that file?
[01:08:52] < BrandonW> Google...
[01:08:58] <+TheStorm> or is it Cricket_b+tech=fail?
[01:09:09] < Cricket_B> I already looked
[01:09:10] < BrandonW> I hate Thinkpads because they're cheap, clunky pieces of junk.
[01:09:18] < BrandonW> Look harder, becaues it's a part of the TiLP II SDK.
[01:09:21] < BrandonW> because*
[01:09:34] < Cricket_B> I looked in the SDK already
[01:10:03] < Hunterkll> thinkpads aren't cheap clunky peices of junk
[01:10:06] < Hunterkll> just the cheap ones are
[01:10:11] < BrandonW> You're a cheap clunky piece of junk.
[01:10:17] < Hunterkll> No
[01:10:29] < Cricket_B> I looked in the SDK, it's not there.
[01:10:31] < Hunterkll> I, nor my equipment, is cheap or junky
[01:10:36] < Cricket_B> Only ticables2.dll
[01:10:37] < BrandonW> Look...again.
[01:10:44] <+TheStorm> hey brandonw your youtube rants are gone?
[01:10:49] <+TheStorm> why?
[01:10:51] < BrandonW> Go to C:\Program Files\TiLP2 SDK\
[01:10:59] < BrandonW> Because people at work were googling me and I wasn't sure they were ready for it.
[01:11:15] < Cricket_B> I checked the install directory.
[01:11:18] < Hunterkll> Two E450s, an E220R, a V100, and a Prosignia are not cheap and junky 
[01:11:19] < Hunterkll> :/
[01:11:37] < BrandonW> Anyone looking at a picture of it can see it.
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[01:11:47] < Hunterkll> E450 is rated at 5000 BTU / hr 
[01:11:47] < BrandonW> Show me a picture of a good-looking Thinkpad.
[01:11:48] < Hunterkll> =[
[01:11:54] < Hunterkll> heh
[01:12:01] < Hunterkll> they are black rectangles
[01:12:12] < BrandonW> And haven't changed since they were first thought up.
[01:12:14] <+TheStorm> oh ok I was going to put it on my zune but ok
[01:12:27] < BrandonW> I'll put it back up.
[01:12:27] < Hunterkll> the macbook is a white rectangle
[01:12:29] < Hunterkll> bbl
[01:12:36] < BrandonW> Although I find it disturbing you're going to carry me around in your Zune.
[01:12:43] < BrandonW> Hunterkll: Macbook sucks, too.
[01:13:05] < Hunterkll> How about the E450, E220R, or V100?
[01:13:12] <+TheStorm> It was more aof a joke but yeah
[01:13:17] < BrandonW> Cricket_B: What's at C:\Program Files\TiLP2 SDK\cticables2\ for you?
[01:13:35] <+TheStorm> it doesn't matter
[01:13:44] < BrandonW> Because you found it?
[01:13:50] < Hunterkll> =]
[01:13:58] <+TheStorm> no because it isn't worth the effort for you
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[01:14:15] < BrandonW> That's where it is for me.
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[01:14:23] < Cricket_B> Directory not found
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[01:14:35] < BrandonW> Get the latest version of TiLP II.
[01:14:55] < Cricket_B> SDK or not?
[01:14:55] <+TheStorm> what is he trying to do?
[01:15:16] < BrandonW> SDK.
[01:15:34] < BrandonW> He's trying to write some sort of Flight Simulator 2004 thing between his calculator and computer.
[01:16:00] < MetalRand> He says he [With heavy empasis:] needs to.
[01:16:04] < BrandonW> All the videos should be public now.
[01:16:18] < Cricket_B> I'm having trouble with reasonable communication between the PC and calc
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[01:17:02] < DarkAuron> getting video on the zune is a pita
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[01:17:14] < MetalRand> Maybe Tari knows.
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[01:18:07]  * MetalRand falls over, laughing.
[01:19:21] <+Merthsoft> DarkAuron: Wanna make me some sprites?
[01:19:22] < Barrett> u r tar e
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[01:19:31] < DarkAuron> of?
[01:19:31] < Tari> I miss the registry modification that made the 1.x software recognize avis
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[01:20:12] < DarkAuron> I tried that and that didn't work
[01:20:41] <+Merthsoft> dinosaurs
[01:20:45] <+Merthsoft> for an RTS
[01:20:54] <+Merthsoft> also military dudes
[01:20:57] <+Merthsoft> for the same RTS
[01:21:06] < DarkAuron> what size and what color depth?
[01:21:20] <+Merthsoft> 8x8 for smaller units, 16x16 for bigger, up to 32x32
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[01:21:35] < DarkAuron> dinosaurs should be 128x128
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[01:21:43] < DarkAuron> for proper scale. :P
[01:21:48] < Chirp_Boy> my stupid sister hit the modem power button
[01:21:56] <+Merthsoft> Dude, a raptor is about a person
[01:22:01] < i_c-Y> she didnt hit it hard enough apparantly.
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[01:22:12] < Cricket_B> Yes, she did
[01:22:13] < BrandonW> apparently.*
[01:22:21] < DarkAuron> I meant like bronciosaurus and stuff :P
[01:22:26] < DarkAuron> or however you spell it
[01:22:27] <+Merthsoft> DarkAuron: It's for the DS, so as far as color...
[01:22:32] < Cricket_B> I already have the latest version installed
[01:22:37] <+Merthsoft> 256 works fine
[01:22:39] < DarkAuron> oh.
[01:22:54] < DarkAuron> that's asking for quite a lot then ><
[01:23:07] <+Merthsoft> you could do 16
[01:23:12] <+Merthsoft> if you use 256 you have to share the palette across all the sprites, with 16 you can have 16 different 16 colour palettes
[01:23:12] < Cricket_B> BrandonW: I have the atest version installed
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[01:23:26] < DarkAuron> not what I meant
[01:23:29] < BrandonW> atest version of what?
[01:23:41] < Cricket_B> Ti-LP II SDK
[01:23:45] < Cricket_B> V0.01
[01:24:55] <+TheStorm> dark auron yeah it is a pita but no more of a pian than for a iPod
[01:25:03] <+TheStorm> pain*
[01:25:47] < Cricket_B> ust reinstelled to F:\Program Files\TI-84\TiLP-II SDK\
[01:25:50] < Cricket_B> *Just
[01:25:58] < Cricket_B> *Reinstalled
[01:26:05] < BrandonW> No...
[01:26:09] < BrandonW> Go google TiLP.
[01:26:11] < BrandonW> Find their official site.
[01:26:13] < BrandonW> And click SDK.
[01:26:18] < BrandonW> Then download it.
[01:26:19] < Cricket_B> I
[01:26:20] <+Merthsoft> DarkAuron: is that a no then?
[01:26:21] < Cricket_B> did
[01:26:22] < Cricket_B> that
[01:26:27] < BrandonW> No. You...didn't.
[01:26:39] < BrandonW> Okay, nevermind, you changed the directory.
[01:26:47] < BrandonW> Normally it would install to TiLP2 SDK.
[01:26:54] < BrandonW> There's an old one that would install to TiLP-II SDK.
[01:27:09] < BrandonW> I hate TiLP, by the way.
[01:27:15] <+TheStorm> me too
[01:27:23] <+TheStorm> never got the driver to work right
[01:27:34] < i_c-Y> tilp loves me.
[01:27:44] <+TheStorm> and just meh I'll use ti-connect it works 
[01:28:05] < Cricket_B> Well, the wrapper doesn't work
[01:29:03] < BrandonW> And I said to e-mail the developers.
[01:30:23] < Cricket_B> Isn't there another way to do the connection?
[01:30:35] < BrandonW> No, like I've told you.
[01:30:45] < BrandonW> You CANNOT DO what you want to do without TiLP or your own code.
[01:32:08] <+TheStorm> or hacking ti-connect which isn't worth the effort
[01:32:25] <+TheStorm> and I guess falls under your own code
[01:32:38] < i_c-Y> BrandonW: telling Cricket_B that something doesnt work is like telling Barrett to read documentation.
[01:32:49] < i_c-Y> i've already told him to use TiLP is the best way.
[01:32:51] < BrandonW> Which cable do you have, Cricket_B?
[01:32:53] < i_c-Y> multiple times.
[01:33:16] < Barrett> what is this 'documentation' you speak of?
[01:33:19] < BrandonW> Don't say USB...is it the silverlink which has an I/O connector on the end, or is it the direct USB cable?
[01:33:37] < BrandonW> Which is USB on both ends.
[01:34:40] < i_c-Y> unfortunately, im too helpful. which means Barrett can get away without reading documentation when im around sometimes.
[01:35:26] < Cricket_B> Direct
[01:35:41] < BrandonW> I would be very surprised if you got it to work.
[01:35:48] < Cricket_B> Why?
[01:36:00] < BrandonW> Although it's nice to know that TalkTI works with direct USB.
[01:36:10] < BrandonW> Because direct USB sucks, at least with TiLP. It's flaky, but it does work.
[01:36:20] < Cricket_B> But is it faster?
[01:36:28] < Netham45> wtf
[01:36:38] < Netham45> why is HL2 EP2 trying to allocate 5+GB of RAM...
[01:36:40] < Cricket_B> I need a fast connection
[01:36:41] < BrandonW> Yeah, it's faster, but not in any way that will help you.
[01:36:50] < Cricket_B> because...
[01:36:51] < BrandonW> No, you need to stop transferring variables back and forth.
[01:36:55] < BrandonW> That will not get any faster.
[01:37:03] < BrandonW> You need to be sending raw bytes back and forth.
[01:37:07] < prime38> Netham45: because you spolied the ending of ep2 in this channel
[01:37:14] < prime38> and it is exacting it's revenge
[01:37:16] < Netham45> HL2 EP1*
[01:37:18] < BrandonW> Which you can do with TiLP and an assembly program that messes with USB.
[01:37:23] < prime38> Netham45: no, ep2
[01:37:32] < BrandonW> And I don't think anyone has EVER written a program that communicates with the PC through direct USB using TI's protocol.
[01:37:34] < Netham45> ep1 is trying to take 5gb of ram
[01:37:45] < Cricket_B> What prog to use?
[01:37:57] < BrandonW> What?
[01:38:05] < Cricket_B> What ASM program do I use?
[01:38:12] < BrandonW> I just told you that it doesn't exist.
[01:38:28] < Cricket_B> No, to read raw data.
[01:38:36] < BrandonW> I have some documentation that in theory works at http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/USBdocs.txt I think.
[01:38:45] < BrandonW> I just told you...it doesn't exist.
[01:39:09] < Cricket_B> Where can I get a Serial cable for the calc?
[01:39:10] < MetalRand> In PHP, how would I sort an array like "$list = array(array("file1.txt", "document.png", 102), array("file2.sh", "script.png", 345), array("file3.mpg", "movie.png", 8832))" by, say filename?
[01:39:16] < BrandonW> http://www.ebay.com/
[01:39:20] < MetalRand> I don't think "sort()" would work in that.
[01:39:24] < Cricket_B> Besides eBay
[01:39:35] <+Nikky> https://www.ebay.com
[01:39:49] < BrandonW> http://www.froogle.com/
[01:39:59] < Cricket_B> I mean what store?
[01:40:02] < BrandonW> Best Buy has the silverlink, although I don't recommend it because it's still USB yuckiness on the PC side.
[01:40:12] <+Nikky> I don't think stores sell serial cables anymore...
[01:40:19] <+Nikky> I have one though. :)
[01:40:25] < BrandonW> I have them all.
[01:40:28] < MetalRand> I will wish I hadn't of got a SilverLink.
[01:40:35] <+Nikky> ?
[01:40:41] < Cricket_B> I'll try to do that raw IO thing.
[01:41:08] < BrandonW> http://cgi.ebay.com/TI-Graph-Link-Serial-Cable-for-TI-83-84-85-86-89-92_W0QQitemZ320233194798QQihZ011QQcategoryZ50579QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Blacklink.
[01:41:16] < BrandonW> http://cgi.ebay.com/TI-Graph-Link-Serial-Cable-Black-8-99-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ140213919056QQihZ004QQcategoryZ50580QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Silverlink.
[01:41:21] < BrandonW> No, that was the blacklink again, sorry.
[01:41:29] < BrandonW> http://cgi.ebay.com/TI-Graph-Link-Serial-Cable-Gray-9-99-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ140197045129QQihZ004QQcategoryZ50581QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Graylink.
[01:41:43] < BrandonW> http://cgi.ebay.com/TI-Connectivity-Kit-USB-Graph-Link-Cable_W0QQitemZ280212358234QQihZ018QQcategoryZ149980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Silverlink.
[01:41:48] < BrandonW> And a direct USB cable you can get anywhere.
[01:42:28] < BrandonW> Or you can just build the $4 link or $5 link.
[01:43:22] < i_c-Y> assuming you have a compatible parallel / serial port.
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[01:43:57] <+TheStorm> I once saw a serial link in a store
[01:44:03] < BrandonW> This would be a useful contribution to the community, though...someone should really write some direct USB code.
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[01:44:23] < BrandonW> The direct USB link protocol is reasonably documented on WikiTI, on the 84+ USB page.
[01:44:28] <+TheStorm> the funny thing is that it came witht eh same disk as the silverlinks
[01:44:31] < BrandonW> There's a link at the bottom.
[01:44:40] <+TheStorm> they also had new 82
[01:44:46] <+TheStorm> a new*
[01:44:48] < BrandonW> How new?
[01:44:53] < i_c-Y> id give it a shot over the summer if its similar for the 89 Ti's.
[01:44:56] < BrandonW> The horribly ugly case, or the 83+ style one? Or the original?
[01:45:06] < i_c-Y> plus i could get some information from tilp docs too.
[01:45:10] <+TheStorm> not the 83+ style
[01:45:13] < BrandonW> It's already done on the 89Ti, with Kevin's game thing.
[01:45:15] < Netham45> I almost got one of the ugly 83's
[01:45:22] < i_c-Y> oh.
[01:45:27]  * MetalRand scratches his head.
[01:45:28] < BrandonW> I have an 83+ style 82.
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[01:45:54] <+TheStorm> jsut a sec I'll cheak datamath
[01:45:58] < BrandonW> A good excuse for writing this USB code would be the direct USB ROM dumper for the 84+/SE.
[01:45:58] < i_c-Y> TheStorm: once upon a time , TI sold links as serial links (the black and gray graphlinks)
[01:46:19] <+TheStorm> it was a black link
[01:46:29] <+TheStorm> and it had two linkcables with it
[01:46:42] < Netham45> did TI ever make a parallel link?
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[01:46:52] < i_c-Y> no. i dont think so
[01:47:41] <+TheStorm> its this one http://datamath.org/Graphing/Images/TI-82N.jpg
[01:48:11] <+TheStorm> still in package
[01:48:15] < Netham45> I almost got an 83 like that
[01:48:16] < BrandonW> That's the horribly ugly one.
[01:48:21] < i_c-Y> i want a black 89 ti.
[01:48:22] < BrandonW> Link port on the lower right.
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[01:48:46] < Netham45> heh
[01:48:46] <+TheStorm> idk it was still in teh plastic
[01:49:10] <+TheStorm> they wanted $99 for it so I just left
[01:49:34] < i_c-Y> shoulda bought it and sold it to BrandonW for 9900
[01:49:35] < BrandonW> http://datamath.org/Graphing/Images/TI-83PLUS_FR07_PK.jpg Good god almighty...
[01:49:54] < Netham45> haha
[01:49:58] < i_c-Y> i could totally see that calculator in the hands of some hot valley girl type.
[01:50:05] <+TheStorm> killer rabbit run away, run away
[01:50:11] <+Merthsoft> I
[01:50:13] <+Merthsoft> NEED
[01:50:15] <+Merthsoft> THAT
[01:50:17] < BrandonW> http://datamath.org/Graphing/Images/TI-83PLUS_TBL.jpg I never saw this one.
[01:50:26] < i_c-Y> really?
[01:50:31] < i_c-Y> i think i saw that at target at one point
[01:50:48] < BrandonW> http://datamath.org/Graphing/Images/TI-Nspire_P.jpg Prototype. Want.
[01:51:11] <+Merthsoft> whoa
[01:51:13] <+Merthsoft> that's weird
[01:51:39] < BrandonW> I have the Nspire CAS+.
[01:51:44] < BrandonW> Which was the prototype CAS.
[01:52:17] < BrandonW> And finally...the reason I went to the site...mine: http://datamath.org/Graphing/Images/TI-82_1.jpg
[01:52:31] < Netham45> fscking hell
[01:52:39] < Netham45> between pink and that 82, my eyes are sore.
[01:53:04] < BrandonW> That's a sweet 82.
[01:53:08] < BrandonW> The other one was horrid.
[01:53:10] < i_c-Y> hm.
[01:53:33] < Netham45> yea
[01:53:36] < Netham45> the horrid one
[01:53:39] < i_c-Y> BrandonW: you need to start that calcporn site with hot valley girl types and that 83+ with the flowers.
[01:53:39] <+TheStorm> yeah I've seen all of then besides the target one
[01:53:54] < BrandonW> haha, that one's so going up there.
[01:54:02] < BrandonW> She's French, you know.
[01:54:07] < i_c-Y> hm.
[01:54:08] <+TheStorm> I've even seen 83+'s that look like blue 83+se's
[01:54:10] < i_c-Y> or hot french girls.
[01:54:17] < i_c-Y> TheStorm: common. i was going to get one
[01:54:21] < i_c-Y> but they ran out
[01:54:22] < BrandonW> TheStorm, I have one.
[01:54:31] <+TheStorm> nice I have a friend with one
[01:54:35] < i_c-Y> i lurves my 83+ though.
[01:54:43] <+TheStorm> I offered him a trade but he wouldn't take it
[01:55:20] < BrandonW> If I could just find a TI-92 II on eBay, I'd have it all.
[01:55:54] <+TheStorm> hmm keep cheaking yard sales
[01:56:04] <+TheStorm> cheacking*
[01:56:09] < BrandonW> checking**
[01:56:21] < Netham45> hmm, the 81 clearly has a spot for a linkport, has anyone tried putting one on it?
[01:56:30] < Netham45> http://datamath.org/Graphing/JPEG_TI-81.htm#first
[01:56:40] <+TheStorm> there we go :(
[01:57:19] < BrandonW> Netham45, there were two revisions, after the 82 came out they used the same PCB.
[01:57:29] < BrandonW> But the ROM wouldn't support it, obviously.
[01:57:32] < Netham45> ah, ok.
[01:57:42] < BrandonW> I have both revisions.
[01:57:43] < Netham45> so if you had a flasher, you could flash an 82 rom to an 81?
[01:57:52] < BrandonW> Although one is the ViewScreen model permanently tethered to the connector.
[01:58:08] < BrandonW> No, the ROM in the 81 is not updatable.
[01:58:22] < BrandonW> You would have to solder a new chip in if you wanted to change the code.
[01:58:26] < BrandonW> And no one has ever done it.
[01:58:29] < BrandonW> Though I vowed to.
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[01:58:30] <@efneTI86> [LordDSP] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
[01:58:35] < Netham45> BrandonW, yea, that's what I meant, reprogram the chip.
[01:58:41] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v LordDSP] by Remius, efneTI92
[01:58:58] <+TheStorm> so all you need to is find a broken 82 and a newer 82 and your all set :)
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[02:00:03] < BrandonW> I wouldn't try taking an 82 ROM and soldering it into an 81.
[02:00:07] < BrandonW> Who knows what that does.
[02:00:14] < BrandonW> We don't even have any documentation on the 81 hardware.
[02:00:19] < BrandonW> Except what that one guy dug up.
[02:00:22] < BrandonW> And documented.
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[02:00:36] < Cookies> I just downloaded a .8xp file
[02:00:41] < Cookies> how do I run it on my calculator?
[02:00:55] < Cricket_B> Newbie, eh?
[02:00:59] < Cookies> ya
[02:01:16] < Cricket_B> I didn't even have to ask this question.
[02:01:20] < BrandonW> Go get TI Connect and transfer it...
[02:01:25] < Cookies> yeah
[02:01:26] < Cookies> I did
[02:01:30] < Cookies> it's on my calculator
[02:01:34] < Cookies> I just don't know how to run it
[02:01:45] < BrandonW> Is it a BASIC program or an assembly one?
[02:01:53] < Cookies> uh
[02:01:57] < Cookies> It only had 1 file in the folder
[02:02:01] < BrandonW> Show us where you downloaded it from.
[02:02:33] < Cookies> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/351/35154.html
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[02:03:36] < BrandonW> Okay, it's BASIC.
[02:03:40] < BrandonW> Run it from the PRGM menu.
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[02:04:02] < Cookies> it says
[02:04:04] < BrandonW> Do you see where it says "TI-83/84 Plus BASIC Science Programs" on that page? That's how you know which it is.
[02:04:05] < Cookies> Err:archived
[02:04:09] < BrandonW> So unarchive it first.
[02:04:13] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Goplat] by etaonrish
[02:04:16] < Cookies> how do I do that?
[02:04:17] < BrandonW> That's done from the MEM menu, like the manual says.
[02:04:27] < BrandonW> [2nd]+[MEM], 2:Mem Mgmt/Del, 1:All.
[02:04:33]  * MetalRand sees Cookies and is now hungry.
[02:04:34] < BrandonW> Then press ENTER on a variable to archive/unarchive it.
[02:04:40] < Cookies> got it
[02:04:41] < Cookies> thanks
[02:04:42] < BrandonW> Anything with an asterisk (*) next to it is archived.
[02:06:42] < BrandonW> Assembly programs are usually run with Asm(prgmNAME, and you get the Asm( command from the CATALOG with [2nd]+[0]...programs designed for a shell like Ion or MirageOS need to be run from the shell, from the APPS menu. Best shell to use is MirageOS.
[02:09:38] < prime38> ION for life
[02:10:10] < BrandonW> Ion was the best for its time, but we've moved on and so has Joe.
[02:10:16] <+TheStorm> ION what is this the stone age?
[02:10:16] < MetalRand> MirageOS/CalcUtil FTW.
[02:10:18] < BrandonW> Venus for the 83 and MirageOS for the 83+.
[02:10:29] <+TheStorm> calcutil
[02:11:05] < Cricket_B> Cookies has no idea what you're talking about...
[02:11:51] < MetalRand> Wow, even Cricket_B has found somone to look down upon.
[02:11:56] < prime38> cookies?
[02:12:04] <+TheStorm> lol
[02:12:56] < prime38> ohh
[02:13:31] < BrandonW> Nah, we all look down on prime38.
[02:13:59] <+TheStorm> nice
[02:14:21] <+TheStorm> WTF whay won't you send the video damn zune software
[02:14:32] < prime38> that's not true
[02:15:17] -!- MetalRand is now known as Randomist
[02:15:43] < Randomist> When the bot says "I recognize you there," does it mean I'm logged in?
[02:16:30] < aardvarq> no...
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[02:16:44] < aardvarq> I have no idea how to make a bot say "I recognise you there"
[02:16:56] < MetalRand> All I did was try to ident.
[02:17:00] < aardvarq> But I kinda doubt it has much to do with much, except maybe if your hostmasks are right.
[02:17:20] < i_c-Y> -efneTI83- You're not i_c-Y, you're i_c-Y.
[02:17:22] < aardvarq> Well obviously you don't need to!
[02:17:28] < i_c-Y> gg bot
[02:17:33] < MetalRand> First, as MetalRand, it says that I am not MetalRand; that I am Randomist, then it says, when i am Randomist, that it recognizes me here.
[02:17:42] < BrandonW> You know, I think that damn TalkTI SDK is what's screwing up explorer.
[02:17:47] < i_c-Y> it happens when you give a redundant ident command, MetalRand 
[02:17:58] < aardvarq> MetalRand: That's great. That's what it's supposed to say. So what?!
[02:18:42] < MetalRand> I would RTFM, but there's not one.  :)
[02:18:46] < i_c-Y> BrandonW: dont you have a bsod message or something?
[02:18:49] < i_c-Y> MetalRand: yes there is
[02:18:55] < i_c-Y> go look up eggdrop.
[02:19:12] < BrandonW> i_c-Y: no. As I said, explorer.exe crashes and loops.
[02:19:15] < aardvarq> MetalRand: The bot knows you. It even said so. You don't need to ident.
[02:19:26] < MetalRand> Oh.  [Slaps himself.]
[02:19:44] < i_c-Y> http://www.egghelp.org/commands/irc.htm#msg_die
[02:21:23] < aardvarq> !k i_c-y http://www.egghelp.org/commands/irc.htm#msg_kick
[02:21:23] -!- i_c-Y was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [aardvarq: http://www.egghelp.org/commands/irc.htm#msg_kick]
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[02:21:29] < i_c-Y> :(
[02:21:34] < i_c-Y> i didnt do anything wrong
[02:21:57] < prime38> with all the articles on slashdot about ooxml, that is one topic i have absolutely no interest in
[02:22:30] < prime38> i think it is because it will have no impact on me
[02:22:37] < aardvarq> suggesting that MetalRand should shut down my bot, even if he isn't actually able, is not appropriate behavior
[02:22:48] < i_c-Y> hm. BrandonW , have you tried using an atlernative shell?
[02:22:49] < Hunterkll> E450 x 2; E220R, V100. Nuff said.
[02:23:13] < BrandonW> i_c-Y: stop trying to help me. I don't want it. I don't care about fixing that installation, I want to reformat.
[02:23:33] < i_c-Y> then stop talking about it 
[02:23:46] < BrandonW> Bug everyone else who bitches about their problems, then.
[02:24:01] < BrandonW> That's what this channel's for, apparently.
[02:24:32] < Hunterkll> I don't have problems
[02:24:33] < MetalRand> Ooh, verbal fight.  [Quickly sits down, grabs -- yes -- popcorn, and watches.]
[02:24:37] < Hunterkll> I have boat anchors
[02:24:59] < Hunterkll> which also happen to be 4 cpu UltraSPARC boxen with 20 hdds each
[02:25:00] < Hunterkll> =]
[02:25:22] < i_c-Y> why does that sound like a netham quote from funrollloops?
[02:25:29] < aardvarq> Yeah. I hate it when people use the channel to bich about their personal problems. It's a real problem for me, personally.
[02:25:55] < Hunterkll> haha
[02:26:11] < Hunterkll> i_c-Y: It'd be real close if I used linux.
[02:26:12] < BrandonW> Oh, look at that, the instant I uninstall the TalkTI SDK, I can start opening explorer windows.
[02:26:17] < MetalRand> lol, aardvarq, you must _really_ hate Netham45, then.  :P
[02:26:19] < Hunterkll> Linux dosn't do sybase well =[
[02:26:41] < prime38> linux doesnt do anything well
[02:26:46] < aardvarq> MetalRand: I was trying to be ironically hypocritical.
[02:27:03] < MetalRand> I recognized that part.
[02:27:39] < aardvarq> prime38: It annoys you well enough.
[02:27:45] < Hunterkll> did you, did you really
[02:28:08]  * Hunterkll can't stand the watered down clone of a real operating system
[02:28:20] < i_c-Y>  hm
[02:29:21] < i_c-Y> this channel is pretty fucked. BrandonW isnt talking about calculators, MetalRand isnt changing linux distros on the hour, aardvarq is actually here, Hunterkll actually shut up about his fuckin iphone, and I'm not calling anyone an idiot at the moment and making people feel bad. And now a snyde comment from BrandonW that nobody cares about.
[02:29:48] < Hunterkll> haha
[02:29:51] < BrandonW> Are you saying that people usually care about my snyde comments?
[02:29:58]  * Hunterkll <3 sun hardware
[02:30:00] < BrandonW> You're just upset because no one wants your computer advice.
[02:30:07] < prime38> does anyone care about any of your comments?
[02:30:08] < Hunterkll> I bought an enterprise datacenter, basically
[02:30:22] < Netham45> i_c-Y, and I havn't been annoying(I think) the past few days.
[02:30:23] < prime38> :)
[02:30:27] < aardvarq> I don't even know how to do comments in snyde.
[02:30:28] < Hunterkll> two rackmount units and 2 array units .... 20 drives in each E450 =]
[02:30:37] < i_c-Y> BrandonW: people dont care. :)
[02:30:40] < Netham45> Hunterkll, nice
[02:30:41] < i_c-Y> Hunterkll: shut the hell up.
[02:30:47] < i_c-Y> we dont care about your stupid sun servers.
[02:30:48] < BrandonW> So what was your point, i_c-Y?
[02:30:50] < Netham45> I have 3 rack mountable arrays
[02:30:50] < i_c-Y> which suck.
[02:30:52] < BrandonW> That I made a comment?
[02:30:54] < Netham45> 10tb a piece
[02:30:54] < i_c-Y> and Netham45 , thats true.
[02:31:01] < prime38> i second Hunterkll shutting up
[02:31:04] < Hunterkll> lolwut
[02:31:13] < aardvarq> How many drives did you get into your iphone? I'm confused.
[02:31:20] < Hunterkll> huh
[02:31:29] < i_c-Y> i blame this Cricket_B character. he is the embodiment of the wrongs caused to this channel!
[02:31:31] < Hunterkll> i'm talking about a sun server
[02:31:34] < Hunterkll> not an iphone
[02:31:37] < i_c-Y> burn him at the stake!!!!
[02:31:42] < BrandonW> I think it's just you freaking out, i_c-Y.
[02:31:42] < Netham45> yes yes yes! I finally found my 89
[02:31:46] < BrandonW> Are you drunk?
[02:31:59] < Hunterkll> aardvar;: http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/validateUser.do?target=Systems/E450/E450 i  got 2
[02:32:00] < Hunterkll> heh
[02:32:30] < aardvarq> oh nice
[02:32:32] < Netham45> Hunterkll, the tab key works wonders.
[02:32:37] < BrandonW> And here we go...TI Connect saying "Incompatible Type" on a perfectly valid assembly program...
[02:32:44] < i_c-Y> nope.
[02:32:44] < Hunterkll> netham45: Notwhen your client dosn't do it
[02:32:55] < Netham45> the space key works well too.
[02:33:06] < Hunterkll>  aardvarq: I also got a sunfire V100 and an E220R
[02:33:12] < prime38> BrandonW: try fastlink
[02:33:18] < Hunterkll> i'm full of enterprise server goodness =]
[02:33:22] < i_c-Y> i want a sun server >.>
[02:33:25] < Hunterkll> heh
[02:33:33] < i_c-Y> and where is Zero_G4 ?
[02:33:38] < i_c-Y> i actually wanted to ask him something
[02:33:39] < Hunterkll> these E450s are literally coffee table sized
[02:33:40] < i_c-Y> yet hes not here!
[02:33:41] < Hunterkll> literally
[02:33:42] < Netham45> I could probabally get any sun server I want.
[02:33:56] < Netham45> shit, sun pays for my internet.
[02:34:01] < Hunterkll> .... 
[02:34:05] < i_c-Y> the answer is in my logs, but im too lazy to search them
[02:34:08] < Hunterkll> What is he smoking?
[02:34:12] < i_c-Y> Zero_G4: which tablet did you used to have?
[02:34:20] < i_c-Y> Hunterkll: his dad probably works for Sun.
[02:34:24] < Netham45> my dad works for sun, he works from home so he gets internet for free
[02:34:25] < Hunterkll> Oh
[02:34:31] < i_c-Y> thats how he got his alleged 30 TB of HD's
[02:34:33] < Hunterkll> so his dad has all that stuff
[02:34:33] < Netham45> that's also how I got the 3 10TB arrays
[02:34:43] < Netham45> Hunterkll, yea, but I have full admin access to it all
[02:34:46] < Hunterkll> until those arrays are chained
[02:34:50] < Hunterkll> and ZFS spanned
[02:34:54] < Hunterkll> i'm not impressed
[02:35:11] < Netham45> iirc, my dad just has jbod on them
[02:35:11] < Hunterkll> (must have 10 zones running as well for epenis enlargement)
[02:35:29] < Hunterkll> lol
[02:35:50] < prime38> Netham45: i thought your dad worked at walgreens or something
[02:35:57] < Netham45> no, I worked at a grocery store
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[02:36:05] < Netham45> "worked"
[02:38:35] < BrandonW> I think it's actually possible to port periph8x to the Nspire.
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[02:39:02] < i_c-Y> ah, the natural order is restored.
[02:39:06] < Netham45> did you ever get the MSD working?
[02:39:12] < BrandonW> Yes.
[02:39:17] < Netham45> nice
[02:39:20] < Netham45> is it released?
[02:39:24] < BrandonW> No.
[02:39:27] < BrandonW> It's still a long way away.
[02:39:31] < Netham45> oh, ok.
[02:39:32] < BrandonW> None of the FAT12 stuff is done.
[02:39:36] < BrandonW> Because I'm now stuck on THAT issue.
[02:39:43] < Netham45> ah
[02:40:03] < Spengo> lol, new leet world
[02:40:10] <+TheStorm> did you release msd8x for the nspire?
[02:40:21] < BrandonW> No, that's probably not going to happen.
[02:40:34] < BrandonW> I don't see a way to initialize a non-TI USB device on the Nspire.
[02:42:51] < i_c-Y> theres a simple solution really
[02:43:00] < BrandonW> It would be such an ugly hack that it's not worth investing the time in.
[02:43:09] < BrandonW> Getting ARM code running would be better.
[02:43:11] < i_c-Y> non-TI USB device -> [box full of magic] -> Nspire 
[02:43:26] < Netham45> those boxes full of magic are expensive, though.
[02:44:43] < i_c-Y> i suppose a slightly cheaper solution would be getitng a box filled with ti developers with 2 holes.
[02:44:48] < i_c-Y> one for their food
[02:45:09] < i_c-Y> and one for us to pass a usb cable through and them to open up their products for us to use it.
[02:45:14] < i_c-Y> or, a box with one hole
[02:45:24] < i_c-Y> and them just unlocking all the OS's forever!
[02:45:51] < BrandonW> Just desolder the Nspire ROM and dump it and we'll be on our way.
[02:46:27] < i_c-Y> except i dont have a NSpire :|
[02:46:30] < MetalRand> setquit "The sweetest pain you have ever felt..."
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[02:46:53] < BrandonW> That's why you buy one first.
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[02:47:27] < prime38> wb Cricket_B
[02:47:57] <+Nikky> Whores.
[02:48:03] <+TheStorm> wait couldn't you do that brandonw?
[02:48:14] < BrandonW> Unlikely, but possible. It's really hard.
[02:48:20] < BrandonW> And I don't want to damage my only Nspire.
[02:48:24] < BrandonW> I'm looking for another right now.
[02:49:25] < MetalRand> Ow.
[02:50:00] <+TheStorm> oh ok 
[02:50:17] < MetalRand> Speaking of "the sweetest pain," this orange cream ice cream is awesome...
[02:50:52] < BrandonW> I found one on a shady site for $101.20.
[02:51:46] < BrandonW> $130 after shipping on eBay.
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[02:52:24] < BrandonW> But I'd also need an expensive EEPROM reader.
[02:52:38] < BrandonW> And I don't have a clue on what I'm doing.
[02:52:43] < BrandonW> Otherwise I WOULD put the money towards it.
[02:53:06]  * Randomist kicks DCC.
[02:53:11] <+Nikky> ?
[02:53:25] < Netham45> BrandonW, is it worth it to buy an nSpire right now?
[02:53:33] < BrandonW> Absolutely!
[02:53:35] < BrandonW> Not an Nspire, though.
[02:53:42] < Netham45> Nspire*
[02:53:42] < Netham45> grr
[02:53:56] < BrandonW> In fact, you should boycott it.
[02:53:58] < BrandonW> Until it's broken.
[02:54:05] < BrandonW> Buy one if you plan to break it, but other than that, stay away.
[02:54:07] < Netham45> I'm getting ~$800 for tax refund, and I was wondering if I should buy one.
[02:54:28] <+Nikky> Invest it
[02:55:04] < Netham45> BrandonW, perhaps you could just follow the traces on the board, and solder to the endpoints, instead of desoldering the chip?
[02:55:10] < Netham45> is it a multi-layered board?
[02:55:20] < BrandonW> Those traces aren't visible.
[02:55:23] < Spengo> Netham45, go for TI-89
[02:55:27] < BrandonW> Look at the Nspire wiki, at the EEPROM.
[02:55:30] < Netham45> Spengo, I have an 89
[02:55:31] < Spengo> glk will agree with me
[02:55:53] < Spengo> oh, what do you need nspire for?
[02:55:54] < BrandonW> There aren't traces along the side like a typical EEPROM.
[02:55:57] < Spengo> lulz?
[02:55:59] < BrandonW> It's FPGA or whatever it's called.
[02:56:01] < BrandonW> All the pins are underneath.
[02:56:04] < BrandonW> There is no way to even get to it.
[02:56:09] < Spengo> that's lame
[02:56:16] < Netham45> ah
[02:56:25] < Spengo> I hate when people do shit like that on purpose
[02:56:31] < Netham45> they really put security as a top priority.
[02:56:40] < BrandonW> Yes, they did.
[02:56:49] < Spengo> security for WHAT though? it's a freaking calculator
[02:57:05] < i_c-Y> it holds military secrets on that eeprom of course.
[02:57:06] < Netham45> from brandon
[02:57:07] < BrandonW> They aren't even selling applications for it...I don't know what the deal is.
[02:57:10] < BrandonW> Just the promise of it, I guess.
[02:57:18] < i_c-Y> what better place to hide it other than in the hands of the public?
[02:57:38] < Netham45> BrandonW, what nspire wiki? all I can find is hackspire
[02:57:41] < Spengo> i_c-Y, hold on while I fish out my tin foil hat!
[02:57:42] < BrandonW> That's it.
[02:57:44] < Spengo> :D
[02:57:58] < Netham45> well, search for eeprom reveals nothing.
[02:58:09] < BrandonW> Click Hardware.
[02:58:13] < BrandonW> And then click the picture links.
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[02:58:26] < BrandonW> I keep calling it EEPROM but they don't.
[02:58:48] < Spengo> they made up their own acronym
[02:58:48] < Netham45> ok
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[02:59:05] < Netham45> I see 3 main chips, which one houses the rom?
[02:59:09] < Spengo> MetalRand, you find a mario metal-hat?
[02:59:20] < Netham45> Spengo, he's been changing nick all night
[02:59:24] < Spengo> oh
[02:59:27] < BrandonW> The right ones.
[02:59:34] < i_c-Y> which picture is it?
[02:59:39] < Netham45> http://www.unsads.com/~squalyl/nspire/pics/nspire001.jpg
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[03:00:01] < Netham45> there's no way to like blast it with a heat gun and remove that?
[03:00:19] < BrandonW> You're welcome to try it on your brand new $150 device if you want.
[03:00:30] < BrandonW> And then how would you read it?
[03:00:51] < i_c-Y> looks like a leadless chip carrier :-/
[03:01:00] < Netham45> google for schematics of a reader?
[03:01:13] < BrandonW> I've done enough googling on it.
[03:01:23] < Netham45> or check at my school, we have 20 or 30 card readers/programmers.
[03:01:25] < BrandonW> I found nothing free, and a few extremely expensive things.
[03:01:33] < i_c-Y> Netham45: its not that easy.
[03:02:48] < Netham45> is the boot code seperate from the rest of it?
[03:03:01] < BrandonW> It's in one of the chips, yes.
[03:03:04] < BrandonW> The OS is stored in the other.
[03:03:07] < BrandonW> On boot, it's loaded into RAM.
[03:03:11] < BrandonW> The 84+SE OS is, too.
[03:03:41] < BrandonW> The boot code is what we want, because it holds whatever decryption key is necessary to understand the OS we already have.
[03:03:49] < BrandonW> It's possible it's on both, but having the boot code is the best start.
[03:04:09] < Netham45> would it be possible to read the data getting sent to the processor on boot?
[03:04:17] < BrandonW> No.
[03:04:42] < BrandonW> The SST chip holds the boot code.
[03:05:02] < chronomex> you could dissolve the chip carrier and use an electron microscope ...
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[03:05:10] < i_c-Y> haha.
[03:05:13] < BrandonW> _I_ could?
[03:05:15] < chronomex> no
[03:05:21] < i_c-Y> like we have those.
[03:05:21] <+TheStorm> brandonw you have calcs that datamath doesn't even have pics of :)
[03:05:25] < chronomex> I was speaking in the prospective second person
[03:05:28] < BrandonW> Do I?
[03:05:39] < i_c-Y> BrandonW: im assuming the STmicroelectronics chip is the OS ?
[03:05:42] < Netham45> BrandonW, well, that bootcode is still going to have to be sent to the processor at some time.
[03:05:49] < i_c-Y> is for the*
[03:05:53] < BrandonW> I already closed it, but the one above the SST chip, yes.
[03:05:54] < chronomex> not if they're in the same chip
[03:06:05] <+TheStorm> well at least your viewscreen modle
[03:06:09] <+TheStorm> model
[03:06:10]  * chronomex out
[03:06:16] < BrandonW> Oh, yeah, I suppose so.
[03:06:33] < BrandonW> Netham45, knowing the interaction between that memory chip and the processor really doesn't help.
[03:06:41] < BrandonW> You can't record that in any reasonable way.
[03:06:42] <+TheStorm> they don't have a pic of it but you have one
[03:06:47] < BrandonW> The best thing to do is desolder the chip.
[03:07:04] < BrandonW> TheStorm, the cable doesn't detach from the calculator, so I guess it's hard to take a picture of.
[03:07:09] < BrandonW> I have a giant case for it.
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[03:07:12] <+TheStorm> true
[03:07:12] < prime38> ive seen chips like that
[03:07:24] < prime38> the contact points are under the chip
[03:07:28] < i_c-Y> yes.
[03:07:36] < i_c-Y> whcih is why its going to be a bitch to take it off there.
[03:07:39] < Netham45> BrandonW, well, couldn't you take a dump of the memory getting sent with an oscilliscope or something, and then go off of that?
[03:07:49] < BrandonW> It's too fast.
[03:07:53] < i_c-Y> and even more annoying to actually read anything from it
[03:07:56] < prime38> a heat gun is required for removing the ship
[03:08:02] < BrandonW> Is it in some way technically possible, yes, but we don't have the stuff to do it.
[03:08:21] < BrandonW> A heat gun, I can handle. I'd probably destroy it, though, and again, no way to read it once I do get it off.
[03:08:43] < i_c-Y> plus prime38 , we d probably have to kill a calc to do that, with no real way to read off the chip or anything.
[03:09:02] < prime38> if there is a will there is a way
[03:09:13] < BrandonW> I could put several hundred or a couple thousand dollars towards a reader, but I'd have to sacrifice a couple of calculators to finally get it off.
[03:09:21] < BrandonW> But if you show me a site that details how to remove a chip like that, I'll do it.
[03:09:36] < prime38> as a matter of fact i do know of a site
[03:09:47] < prime38> but i need to find it again first
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[03:11:34] < BrandonW> I have no problem forking up that much money to make it happen.
[03:11:45] < BrandonW> Just think of the possibilities if we can do it.
[03:12:08] < Randomist> Do the bots give voice on their own after they know you for a while, or do people got to set that themselves?
[03:12:14] < Randomist> Or do ops give that?
[03:12:27] < Netham45> ops
[03:12:34] < prime38> BrandonW: http://www.curiousinventor.com/guides/Surface_Mount_Soldering/QFN
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[03:12:58] < BrandonW> I will set up a clean room and everything.
[03:14:36] < Netham45> how much does a reader cost?
[03:14:58] < BrandonW> I've seen them be several hundred dollars.
[03:15:16] < BrandonW> Google that exact chip model and you'll find readers that claim to be compatible.
[03:15:29] < Netham45> if you start a community fund, you might get enough people to get one.
[03:15:32] < Netham45> enough people to donate*
[03:15:44] < Randomist> Wouldn't that take, like, years?
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[03:15:55] < BrandonW> Chip needs to come off first.
[03:15:59] < BrandonW> I'll google some more.
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[03:16:03] < BrandonW> And then buy a spare Nspire or two.
[03:16:08] < BrandonW> If you guys find broken ones, please donate.
[03:16:09] < BrandonW> :(
[03:16:28] < Randomist> join php
[03:16:42] < prime38> BrandonW: get my link?
[03:16:48] < BrandonW> For soldering them, yes.
[03:17:03] <+Storm|zzz> what about desoldering them?
[03:17:04] < prime38> it also shows removing the chip
[03:17:08] < prime38> did you even read it
[03:17:10] < Randomist> Aw, man...
[03:17:13] < prime38> they take it off and put it back
[03:17:25] < BrandonW> Sorry, was there a question in there?
[03:17:28] < Randomist> I rmember asking a PHP-related question... but now it's scrolled off my buffer, so I forget what it is.
[03:17:31] <+Storm|zzz> oh yeah Just niticed that
[03:17:41] < prime38> yes there was a question
[03:17:54] < BrandonW> I'm just screwing with you.
[03:18:10] < Randomist> Something about an array
[03:18:25] < Netham45> Randomist, when?
[03:19:02] < prime38> "In PHP, how would I sort an array like "$list = array(array("file1.txt", "document.png", 102), array("file2.sh", "script.png", 345), array("file3.mpg", "movie.png", 8832))" by, say filename?"
[03:19:11] < Randomist> Oh, yeah.
[03:20:50] < BrandonW> That page pretty much says just heat it up and pry it off.
[03:20:55] < i_c-Y> i think you want array_multisort
[03:21:13] < i_c-Y> or, you can do something with uksort
[03:21:44] < i_c-Y> or usort.
[03:23:45] < Netham45> BrandonW, if I were to somehow get schematics for the processor on the Nspire, would it help at all?
[03:24:00] < BrandonW> No, the processor I don't care about.
[03:24:04] < BrandonW> It's the memory chip.
[03:24:08] < Cookies> hi
[03:24:09] < Netham45> ok
[03:24:14] < Cookies> is there a way I can create text files
[03:24:22] < Cookies> and add it to my TI-84+?
[03:24:35] < BrandonW> Look up Notefolio.
[03:24:38] < Randomist> Spengo, I think your IRC brother, Slango, just joined ##PHP.  :P
[03:24:49] < Spengo> slango?
[03:25:03] < BrandonW> Or type them into the TI-Graph Link 83 Plus program, save them as 8XPs, and then transfer them to your 84+/SE using TI Connect.
[03:25:44] < Spengo> Randomist lies
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[03:26:03] < Netham45> * [slango] (~nsloan@resnet229-213.resnet.wmich.edu): Nicholas Sloan
[03:26:18] < BrandonW> http://www.madelltech.com/M3-1.html This is what was in prime38's link.
[03:26:29] < Cookies> It's an .8xK file?
[03:26:35] < Cookies> what do I do with that?
[03:26:36] < BrandonW> I could buy that and a spare Nspire, get a reader, and we're in business.
[03:26:45] < BrandonW> An 8XK file is a Flash application.
[03:26:51] < BrandonW> So transfer it to your calculator and run it from the APPS menu.
[03:26:57] < BrandonW> Read the readme that's in it.
[03:26:57] < Cookies> uhh
[03:26:59] < Cookies> Can I 
[03:27:02] < Cookies> write the stuff
[03:27:04] < Cookies> on my computer
[03:27:10] < Cookies> and then transfer it to my calculator?
[03:27:13] < BrandonW> Uhh...yes, read what I said.
[03:27:16] < BrandonW> Or type them into the TI-Graph Link 83 Plus program, save them as 8XPs, and then transfer them to your 84+/SE using TI Connect.
[03:27:16] < Netham45> BrandonW, http://www.szks.net/datasheet/39WF400A.pdf
[03:27:19] < Netham45> is that of any help?
[03:27:26] < Netham45> (large PDF about the memory)
[03:27:28] < BrandonW> That chip you just linked to, find a reader that reads it.
[03:27:33] < BrandonW> A cheap one.
[03:27:59] < BrandonW> You can get TI-Graph Link 83 Plus from education.ti.com.
[03:28:00] < Cookies> uh..
[03:28:04] < BrandonW> Uh...
[03:28:08] < Cookies> hu..
[03:28:13] < Cookies> So where's the program?
[03:28:15] < BrandonW> Okay, step one...go to education.ti.com and get TI-Graph Link 83 Plus.
[03:28:18] < Cookies> are you talking about
[03:28:23] < Cookies> the Device explorer?
[03:28:24] < Netham45> funny how a google for "39WF400A reader" reveals only logs from #tcpa on feb. 24th
[03:28:32] < BrandonW> I just said, download it from education.ti.com.
[03:28:35] < BrandonW> How many times do I have to say it?
[03:28:40] < Cookies> 1 more
[03:29:08] < BrandonW> Go to education.ti.com and download TI-Graph Link 83 Plus. Go to the product page for the black graph link cable and you'll see a link to downloading the TI-Graph Link software.
[03:29:15] < BrandonW> They keep the link kind of buried.
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[03:29:32] < BrandonW> But anyway, go there and get it. When you run it, you'll see a box for a new program. Type or copy/paste whatever you want into there.
[03:29:37] < BrandonW> Then save that file as an 8XP file.
[03:29:42] < BrandonW> Then transfer that to your calculator with TI Connect.
[03:29:58] < i_c-Y> better yet, type it in on your calculator by hand in hex.
[03:30:01] < BrandonW> TI-Graph Link can transfer files to your calculator, too, but only if you have an older black link cable, which, seeing as how you have an 84+/SE, you probably don't.
[03:30:10] < Cookies> do I go under
[03:30:11] < BrandonW> So create the file with TI-Graph Link and use TI Connect to transfer it.
[03:30:13] < Cookies> Graphing Caculator?
[03:30:15] < Cookies> I can't find
[03:30:15] < prime38> Cookies: when i need to jot down notes, i will open VTI and type what i need to in that, then i can virtual link with my pc, and save the file, then I can send that to the actual calculator
[03:30:18] < Cookies> the black link cable
[03:30:48] < BrandonW> http://education.ti.com/ Click Products, then under TI Connectivity Cables, choose Serial Cable for Windows (black).
[03:31:02] < BrandonW> Then click "Download TI Connect or TI-GRAPH LINK software".
[03:31:07] < Netham45> BrandonW, http://www.dataio.com/device/details.asp?Prog=ALL&DevTech=ALL&PAdapt=ALL&PBase=ALL&PkgType=WFBGA&SemiMfgr=ALL&DID=46884&SUP_ID=31841&PMODEL=PS300FC&HW_ID=57245
[03:31:36] < BrandonW> I don't see how that helps.
[03:32:01] < Netham45> Cookies, http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&tabId=1&appId=161
[03:32:19] < BrandonW> They finally made it so you can directly link to it, yay.
[03:32:22] < Netham45> BrandonW, under programmer hardware required.
[03:32:27] < Cookies> okay
[03:32:30] < Cookies> I got the Ti-Connect
[03:32:33] < Cookies> what do I open now?
[03:32:33] < Randomist> Ooh, Adult Swim is playing the ATHF movie.
[03:32:44] < BrandonW> Go to TI-Graph Link 83 Plus.
[03:32:51] < Cookies> ya
[03:33:18] <+Storm|zzz> new and start typeing
[03:33:23] < BrandonW> Find me a link to that programmer and a price, then.
[03:33:39] < Netham45> =./
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[03:33:58] < Netham45> googling for one of those model numbers brings up vacuums
[03:34:32] < Randomist> Those guys are lucky they can't be kicked for having a color quit message.
[03:34:33] < Netham45> BrandonW, it says contact them for prices
[03:34:34] <+Storm|zzz> lol
[03:34:43] < BrandonW> So contact them!
[03:34:53] < i_c-Y> thats because thats an insane programmer , Netham45 
[03:34:54] < Cookies> ya
[03:34:58] < i_c-Y> its for automation
[03:34:58] < Cookies> I don't see the new..
[03:35:08] < Netham45> oh
[03:35:09] < i_c-Y> of the programming process.
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[03:35:33] < i_c-Y> probably is absurdly large and expensive
[03:35:37] < ryantmer> wtf was that? O_o
[03:35:43] < i_c-Y> and might even be what ti uses
[03:35:47] < ryantmer> "Closing Link: (*** Banned (cache))"
[03:35:49] < ryantmer> w0rd.
[03:36:44] < Cookies> Do i create
[03:36:49] < Cookies> new Number
[03:36:49] < Cookies> List
[03:36:51] < Cookies> or matrix?
[03:36:55] < Cookies> for text file?
[03:37:00] <+Storm|zzz> when you open it it has a new file already open
[03:37:08] < i_c-Y> ryantmer: you either reconnected to much and got klined / glined / xlined or something of the sort.
[03:37:15] <+Storm|zzz> just type in there and save as a 8xp
[03:37:17] < Cookies> o opened TI Data editor
[03:37:22] <+Nikky> Randomist: Except I'm sure it's censored.
[03:37:24] <+Nikky> So it sucks
[03:37:26] <+Storm|zzz> no that isn't it
[03:37:39] <+Storm|zzz> Ti-graph link
[03:37:40] < Cookies> what?
[03:37:43] < Cookies> Isn't that it?
[03:37:44] <+Storm|zzz> is what you want
[03:37:55] < Cookies> I have TI-connect
[03:37:58] < Cookies> that's not it?
[03:38:01] <+Storm|zzz> not data editor 
[03:38:08] <+Storm|zzz> for get it
[03:38:12] < BrandonW> Holy crap...
[03:38:13] < Cookies> please help
[03:38:19] < BrandonW> Dude, what don't you understand? STOP USING TI CONNECT.
[03:38:23] < BrandonW> OPEN TI-GRAPH LINK 83 PLUS.
[03:38:25] < BrandonW> And type in THERE.
[03:38:28] < BrandonW> And save in THERE as an 8XP file.
[03:38:36] < BrandonW> Have you done that yet?
[03:38:58] < BrandonW> How can people be so confused about this? Save in TI-Graph Link, transfer with TI Connect.
[03:39:07] <+Nikky> ?
[03:39:11] <+Nikky> TI-Graph Link?
[03:39:17] < BrandonW> Shut up, Nikky.
[03:39:17] < Netham45> Nikky, die.
[03:39:26] <+Nikky> That's not very nice.
[03:39:32] < Netham45> neither are you.
[03:39:38] < Cookies> http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_ti_connectivity_kit.html
[03:39:40] < Cookies> Theres like
[03:39:44] < Cookies> 500000 programs
[03:39:48] < Cookies> which do I download?
[03:39:56] < Netham45> I FUCKING PASTED IT!
[03:39:58] < BrandonW> Are you even paying attention to what we're saying?
[03:40:02] < BrandonW> Repaste it, Netham.
[03:40:04] < Cookies> yeah I am
[03:40:08] < BrandonW> I'm going to sit here and explain it piece by piece.
[03:40:09] < Netham45> Cookies, http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&tabId=1&appId=161
[03:40:15] < BrandonW> Okay, go to the site Netham just said.
[03:40:20] < BrandonW> Are you there?
[03:40:22] <+Nikky> http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&tabId=1&appId=161 for reinforcement
[03:40:23] < Cookies> what the hell
[03:40:26] < Cookies> I never saw that
[03:40:39] < Randomist> !k Netham45 F-bomb.
[03:40:48] <+Nikky> [20:33:38] < Netham45> Cookies, http://education.ti.com/educationportal/downloadcenter/SoftwareDetail.do?website=US&tabId=1&appId=161
[03:40:54] < i_c-Y> nah. we dont kick on FUCK when its justified.
[03:40:57] < BrandonW> Okay, download that and install it.
[03:41:52] < Cookies> okay
[03:41:53] < Cookies> i got it
[03:41:57] < BrandonW> Installed?
[03:41:58] < Cookies> what about images?
[03:42:00] < Cookies> lulz
[03:42:07] < Cookies> i got it installed
[03:42:09] < Cookies> and i can type
[03:42:17] < BrandonW> And you saved it as an 8XP?
[03:42:31] < Cookies> not yet
[03:42:33] < Cookies> after I save it
[03:42:34] < prime38> ticalc.org and search for an image editor, there are some
[03:42:37] < BrandonW> Save it as an 8XP.
[03:42:41] < Cookies> yeah
[03:42:43] < BrandonW> And then transfer it using TI Connect.
[03:42:44] < Cookies> send
[03:42:49] < Cookies> and unarchive?
[03:42:52] < Cookies> or..
[03:42:55] < BrandonW> You can send it straight to RAM.
[03:43:01] < BrandonW> It's an option in the Send To window in TI Connect.
[03:43:08] < Cookies> "Send to Ram"?
[03:43:17] < BrandonW> In TI Connect.
[03:43:20] < BrandonW> RAM means unarchived.
[03:43:24] < BrandonW> Archived means...archived.
[03:43:47] < BrandonW> Have you saved it as an 8XP yet?
[03:44:00] < i_c-Y> brandon is going to have an anyerusim soon.
[03:44:12] <+Storm|zzz> yep
[03:44:17] < Netham45> haha
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[03:44:19] < prime38> BrandonW: i am looking at that pcb of the nspire that was linked earlier, and it looks like most of the connections to the chip go through vias
[03:44:21] < Cookies> i'm typing all the crap atm
[03:44:29] <+Nikky> Hey BrandonW, wanna explain how the TI USB implimentation works?
[03:44:30] < BrandonW> Just save it really quickly, as a test, so I can explain this.
[03:44:40] < BrandonW> To someone who cares, sure, Nikky.
[03:44:44] <+Nikky> I care.
[03:44:51] < BrandonW> No you don't.
[03:44:54] <+Nikky> Yes I do
[03:44:57] < BrandonW> You wouldn't use the information for anything.
[03:45:01] < BrandonW> So there's no need to tell you.
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[03:45:22] < Netham45> I didn't bold it...
[03:45:23] < Netham45> that was caps.
[03:45:26] < Cookies> give me a sec
[03:45:30] < BrandonW> !k Netham45 being difficult
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[03:45:48] < BrandonW> lol
[03:45:49] < prime38> haha, now wait for the lag
[03:45:50] < BrandonW> I feel better now.
[03:45:56] < Netham45> :(
[03:46:02] <+Storm|zzz> good
[03:46:26] < Cookies> UGH
[03:46:32] < Cookies> where the hell does it usually save?
[03:46:42] < BrandonW> Did you pay attention to where it saved?
[03:46:50] < BrandonW> That's what a basic computer user would do.
[03:46:52] < BrandonW> Save it again.
[03:46:54] < BrandonW> And look where it goes.
[03:46:58] < BrandonW> And tell it to go somewhere else if you want.
[03:47:32] < Cookies> I got it
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[03:47:38] < prime38> i think it saves in a folder called mytidata
[03:47:39] < Cookies> UH
[03:47:40] < Cookies> okay
[03:47:42] < Cookies> now it says
[03:47:46] < Cookies> Access is Denied
[03:47:48] < BrandonW> No, prime38...shut up. TI Connect does that, not TI-Graph Link.
[03:47:52] < BrandonW> TI Connect says that to you?
[03:47:56] < Cookies> Yeah
[03:48:11] < prime38> BrandonW: ohh, sorry i havent used either in a long time
[03:48:13] < BrandonW> That's because TI Connect is a piece of shit that you should complain to ti-cares@ti.com about.
[03:48:19] < Randomist> BrandonW++
[03:48:29] < Randomist> Wait a minute, but TI doesn't care.
[03:48:40] < i_c-Y> thats the point.
[03:48:41] < Cookies> =\
[03:48:42] < BrandonW> I swear to god, when I get that error, I'm going to use another PC to put an I/O logger on my calculator and find out WHAT THE HELL IT IS COMPLAINING ABOUT.
[03:48:50] < Cookies> =\
[03:48:55] < Cookies> It works if you just restart your computer
[03:49:43] < Netham45> BrandonW, I can't find a personal flasher for that, all I can find are these big-ass things for assembly lines, etc...
[03:49:57] < Randomist> TI-Connect didn't even want to recognize my calculator.  I swear that it flipped me the bird when I pluged my TI-83+ SE into the comp.
[03:50:00] < BrandonW> Hence the problem, but I did find a couple after a while.
[03:50:15] < i_c-Y> Netham45: because theres no legitimate home use for that.
[03:50:46] < Cookies> okay
[03:50:47] < Cookies> Brandon
[03:50:52] < Cookies> can you tell me what I do afterwards?
[03:50:54] < Netham45> i_c-Y, but it'd make sense for there to be a developer model, that is smaller.
[03:50:55] < BrandonW> Did you transfer it?
[03:50:57] < Cookies> after I send
[03:50:59] < Cookies> No
[03:51:03] < BrandonW> Send it.
[03:51:04] < Cookies> I will have to restart my computer
[03:51:08] < Cookies> it's giving me that error
[03:51:11] < BrandonW> Then open it in the PRGM editor, and I think Notefolio will open it, too.
[03:51:11] < i_c-Y> for that youd have to talk to the company directly.
[03:51:41] < Cookies> I don't have notefolio
[03:51:57] < BrandonW> You get to the PRGM editor by pressing PRGM, RIGHT, then select the program and press ENTER.
[03:52:15] < Cookies> and it will load?
[03:52:30] < BrandonW> If you don't see it in the list when you do that, but you do when you just press PRGM, then that means it's protected...you'll have to save it as unprotected in TI-Graph Link 83 Plus.
[03:52:36] < BrandonW> Yes, you'll see it and you can scroll around in it.
[03:52:40] < Cookies> okay
[03:52:41] < BrandonW> [2nd]+[QUIT] quits.
[03:52:43] < Cookies> I'll restart computer
[03:52:43] < Cookies> BRB
[03:52:51] < prime38> wait
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[03:53:01] < Cookies> rest
[03:53:02] < Cookies> ar
[03:53:03] < Cookies> ting
[03:53:12] < prime38> fisrt check you dont already have a file by the same name on your calc
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[03:53:30] < prime38> i think that will throw the access denied error
[03:53:36] < i_c-Y> ok. now someone set a ban on *!*@*.dc.cox.net
[03:53:45] < i_c-Y> for BrandonW 's sake.
[03:53:52] < BrandonW> prime38, for god's sakes, hush.
[03:53:56] < BrandonW> It will not throw that error then.
[03:53:59] < BrandonW> It's a communication error.
[03:54:06] < BrandonW> If the variable already existed, it would ask you to overwrite it.
[03:54:09] < BrandonW> You are not helping.
[03:54:19] < Netham45> BrandonW, there is a slight slight chance I might be able to get access to a programmer for that.
[03:54:27] < i_c-Y> Netham45: how?
[03:54:28] < prime38> its been about a year since i used a calculator linking program
[03:54:40] < BrandonW> So that makes you not at all qualified to give advice on it.
[03:54:43] < i_c-Y> Sun wouldnt have one, if thats what you're thinking.
[03:54:49] < Netham45> i_c-Y, I know a bunch of people in the engineering department at Sun, so they might have... grr
[03:55:17] < i_c-Y> theres little to no use for something like that in anything that Sun makes.
[03:56:10] < Netham45> it never hurt to check.
[03:56:18] < i_c-Y> closest youd get to it is the Sun Microeletronics division
[03:57:13] < i_c-Y> and they still wouldnt have it.
[03:59:14] < i_c-Y> Netham45: theres probably not that many of those in house at TI to begin with.
[03:59:36] < BrandonW> I've seen the development board they used while working on the Nspire OS.
[03:59:51] < i_c-Y> really
[03:59:55] < BrandonW> Yes.
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[03:59:57] < BrandonW> Had a picture somewhere.
[03:59:58] < chronomex> I've seen the first bluetooth keyboard
[03:59:59] < BrandonW> Probably not anymore.
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[04:00:06] < chronomex> (in person)
[04:00:39] < i_c-Y> holy...
[04:00:51] < i_c-Y> 31 k for a sparc server...
[04:01:16] < i_c-Y> though it is pretty impressive for a 1U
[04:01:50] < i_c-Y> bbldlrrp
[04:07:03] < Barrett> where can i get one?
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[04:14:46] < Barrett> about time
[04:14:50] < Barrett> lakers finally win a game
[04:15:02] <+Nikky> too bad the lakers suck
[04:15:11] < Barrett> their current lineup does, yes
[04:15:19] < Barrett> but just wait until they get gasol back
[04:15:25] < Barrett> and bynum
[04:15:42] <+Nikky> I'd rather not.
[04:15:50] < Barrett> hold your breath, in fact
[04:15:57] < Barrett> actually*
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[04:28:31] <+Nikky> You're all jealous.
[04:28:37] <+Nikky> Because I just had the most amazing idea ever
[04:28:41] <+Nikky> Rick Roll ringtone.
[04:28:50] <+Nikky> I'll let that sink in for a few moments.
[04:28:53]  * Randomist hugs Nikky for his most amazing idea ever.
[04:29:26] <+Nikky> Must you?
[04:30:35] < Barrett> sweet.. my mom is going to talk to my dad about possibly pitching in for an X300 thinkpad
[04:31:01] < Barrett> that would be so nice to be able to not have to decide to put a computer in my backpack... I could just keep it in there and it won't weigh anything so it won't matter if i don't need it
[04:37:17] < Barrett> why does $3,000 not seem like that much money to me anymore?
[04:37:32] < Barrett> I remember when I was buying my server that $2,300 or whatever was like my life savings
[04:37:51] < Barrett> am I a bad person?
[04:38:34] < prime38> are you jewish?
[04:38:40] < Barrett> no...
[04:38:49] < prime38> the answer is the same for both questions
[04:39:09] < Spengo> oh yeah?
[04:39:16] < Spengo> well MY e-penis is THIS BIG!
[04:39:25] < prime38> Spengo: the game
[04:39:29] <+sgm> The width of an excalmation point?
[04:39:31] < Randomist> Spengo, it's eight points?
[04:40:01] < prime38> well, 8==========================D
[04:40:08] < Spengo> sgm, yep, but with 92-point font
[04:40:25] < prime38> that is still like 1 inch at best
[04:40:26] < Spengo> 902*
[04:40:41] <+sgm> 92-point describes height, I said width.
[04:40:52] < Randomist> 92-point bold.  :P
[04:40:54] <+sgm> It'd still be pretty narrow
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[04:41:34] < Spengo> did that cookie guy ever come back?
[04:41:50] < prime38> BrandonW scared him off
[04:41:58] < prime38> and i_c-y
[04:42:13] < BrandonW> He got tired of prime38's conflicting advice and left.
[04:42:25] < prime38> he only read one part of it
[04:42:39] < Randomist> Apparently we feed off of Cricket_B, who eats the Cookie.
[04:42:39] < prime38> which you quickly corrected :)
[04:56:59] < Barrett> http://i28.tinypic.com/2mdgm7c.jpg
[04:58:04] < Barrett> http://retrocrush.buzznet.com/archive2003/koolaid/koolaid.jpg
[04:58:49] < prime38> hi timmy! you are so funny i love you with mouth! : <3 lol k thx bye!
[04:59:04] <+Merthsoft> Barrett: lololol
[05:01:12] < Randomist> Barrett++
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[05:02:11] < prime38> i linked those to a friend
[05:02:21] < prime38> and he said the first one was on digg earlier today
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[05:02:34] < Barrett> yes
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[05:05:14] < Cricket_B> Quick question
[05:05:23] < Cricket_B> How can I disable APD?
[05:06:00] < Cricket_B> Anyone know?
[05:06:07] < prime38> its a system setting
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[05:06:16] < prime38> some assembly program could do it
[05:06:25] < prime38> or calcsys
[05:07:45] < Cricket_B> When Calcsys exits, it re-sets the flag
[05:07:56] < prime38> really?
[05:08:06] < Cricket_B> Try it yourself.
[05:08:24] < prime38> why do you want to disable apd
[05:08:48] < Cricket_B> If the calc keeps turning itself off while connected to the computer,
[05:09:00] < Cricket_B> then the computer won't reconize the calc
[05:09:29] < prime38> urrhmm, BrandonW?
[05:09:41] < Cricket_B> It's finding Vendor 0000 Product 0000
[05:10:01] < prime38> look on ticalc.org for a program to do it i guess
[05:10:55] < BrandonW> You can't permanently disable APD, although it's possible to write a GetCSC hook which constantly resets the APD timer.
[05:11:39] < Cricket_B> I want it to be able to turn back on when I ower cycle the calc.
[05:11:45] < Cricket_B> *power
[05:12:30] < Cricket_B> Or do you at least know why the PC doesn't reconize the calc if the calc turns off enough times while connected?
[05:13:31] < Cricket_B> Please post when I come back from a reboot.
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[05:13:46] < prime38> in my memory, the pc would turn the calculator back on for me
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[05:18:02] < prime38> in my memory, the pc would turn the calculator back on for me
[05:18:25] < Cricket_B> I just rebooted.
[05:18:36] < Cricket_B> prime38, ???
[05:18:44] < prime38> ???
[05:18:48] <+Merthsoft> ???
[05:19:15] < Cricket_B> I missed some conversation; I had to reboot the computer
[05:19:31] < prime38> you didnt miss anything
[05:20:51]  * Randomist yawns.
[05:21:10]  * Randomist digs a hole and goes to sleep in it.
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[05:24:33] < Cricket_B> *Randomist's
[05:24:50] <+Merthsoft> ahaha
[05:34:04] < BrandonW> We don't call it posting when we say something in IRC.
[05:34:07] < BrandonW> It's just sending a message.
[05:34:20] < BrandonW> No, I don't know why it does that.
[05:34:25] < BrandonW> I have never seen it do that.
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[05:46:28] < Spengo> http://bash.org/?851971
[05:46:30] < Spengo> hehe
[05:50:52] < Spengo> <N> which is correct, seven and five IS thirteen, or seven and five ARE thirteen?
[05:50:54] < Spengo> lmao
[05:51:43] < prime38> is usenet dying?
[05:53:01] < prime38> giving no response is an implied "yes"
[05:55:37] < chronomex> what's usenet?
[05:55:52] < prime38> exactly
[05:56:43] < Cricket_B> BrandonW, quick question about the BOOT code
[05:56:51] < BrandonW> Yes?
[05:56:53] < prime38> ok, question closed. the channel unanimously agrees, usenet is dead
[05:57:39] < Cricket_B> What is the BOOT code for? Is it similar to the POST that computers have?
[05:59:44] < Cricket_B> BrandonW?
[06:00:00] < BrandonW> Yes, it's the first thing to get control when the calculator boots.
[06:00:09] < BrandonW> It checks to see if a validated OS is installed, and if so, boots it.
[06:00:16] < BrandonW> If not, it goes into a loop and waits to receive a new one.
[06:00:26] < Cricket_B> So after the OS gets control, then type 3 USB packets are allowed?
[06:00:34] < BrandonW> Where do you see "type 3"?
[06:01:09] < Cricket_B> Mode code 0x000300010000
[06:01:30] < Cricket_B> from one of the docs you sent me
[06:03:07] < Cricket_B> http://users.wpi.edu/~bmoody/usb.txt
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[06:03:45] < BrandonW> That entire protocol is used in the boot code.
[06:03:51] < BrandonW> Type 3 and 4 packets are used in conjunction.
[06:04:14] < Cricket_B> Wait, not type 3, MODE 3
[06:04:37] < Cricket_B> Sorry, the type 3 is data send non-final
[06:04:58] < BrandonW> I'm not sure what you mean by mode 3, I see that nowhere in that document.
[06:05:10] < Cricket_B> Under 'ping'
[06:05:14] < BrandonW> I wouldn't be concerning myself with what the boot code does when it comes to the USB link protocol.
[06:05:53] < BrandonW> That happens with every transmission.
[06:06:01] < Spengo> prime38, bittorrent is superior
[06:06:05] < Spengo> it is free
[06:06:19] < Cricket_B> I just wanted to know because I thought the mode 3 would be like interrupt mode 0
[06:12:23] < BrandonW> Interrupt mode 0 has nothing to do with anything...
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[06:17:23] <+Nikky> Hi boxknife 
[06:17:38] < boxknife> Hey Nikky
[06:18:24] < boxknife> Is the ticalc.org registration automated? I've been waiting for awhile to get my account info
[06:19:12] < chronomex> it is
[06:19:44] < boxknife> weird. Must have gotten snagged by a spam filter
[06:19:54] < chronomex> probably
[06:25:27] < boxknife> Err, when I upload a file, does it show my real name, or just my handle?
[06:25:42] <+Nikky> It shows your real name, address, and phone number
[06:25:46] < boxknife> Awesome
[06:26:02] < prime38> it shows full name, social security number, address, and what nikky said
[06:26:09] <+Nikky> :)
[06:27:24] < prime38> estoy cansado
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[06:30:20] < prime38> hmm, this bottle of tylenol expires this month
[06:30:30] < prime38> i better finish them off
[06:30:42] < prime38> wouldnt want them to go to waste
[06:32:22] < boxknife> Don't abuse Tylenol.
[06:32:29] < boxknife> That's what Vicodin is for
[06:33:00] < millinao> haha
[06:33:17] < millinao> I got high on vicodin once(when I had to take it for pain)
[06:33:44] < boxknife> When I had my wisdom teeth removed, I never used the vicodin I was prescribed, so I saved it.
[06:33:55] < millinao> wtf, how did you not use it
[06:34:07] < millinao> having my wisdom teeth removed hurt like shit
[06:34:14] <+Nikky> How does shit hurt?
[06:34:17] < prime38> i only used like one pill when i had mine removed
[06:34:34] < boxknife> What you do is you crush the pills and run them through a coffee filter.
[06:34:36] < prime38> i was eating spicy chinese food the night after they were removed
[06:34:51] < boxknife> It removes some sort of impurity from it that's added to curtail abuse
[06:35:05] < millinao> How do you know this, boxknife?
[06:35:17] < prime38> what? like make vicodin water?
[06:35:26] < boxknife> Nope
[06:35:31] < boxknife> You use what's left in the filter
[06:35:32] < prime38> or eat the mush pills
[06:35:36] < prime38> ohh
[06:35:36] < boxknife> because the impurity is water soluable
[06:35:57] < boxknife> soluble*
[06:36:22] < boxknife> You just don't take too much of it at once, or you'll get seriously screwed up.
[06:36:35] < boxknife> I mix the powder with tea
[06:36:42] < boxknife> lol
[06:36:54] < prime38> this one site say you do it for safety
[06:37:08] < prime38> since the pills contain acetaminophen 
[06:37:20] < prime38> you can remove it, and take more of the pills
[06:38:15] < boxknife> Yeah, but it's pretty addictive, so you don't want to do that.
[06:38:50] < Spengo> heheh, I love google cache
[06:38:56] < Spengo> the internet never forgets >:]
[06:38:58] < Cricket_B> Does anyone know how to establish USB communication in Visual Studio 6?
[06:39:08] < prime38> i wonder what combining lsd and pain killers would be like
[06:39:14] < Spengo> nor does it forgive for that matter
[06:39:18] < Spengo> prime38, why don't you try it
[06:39:20] < Spengo> and use lots
[06:39:23] < Cricket_B> Already looked online...
[06:39:36] < millinao> prime38, hell
[06:39:37] < Spengo> Cricket_B, what do you even mean?
[06:39:44] < prime38> i dunno, i could really hurt myself
[06:39:48] < Spengo> usb communication in visual studio?
[06:39:51] < prime38> and not even feel anything
[06:39:53] < Cricket_B> Yes
[06:39:57] < Spengo> what's that mean
[06:39:59] < millinao> why would you use pain killers at all
[06:40:05] < prime38> i dont know
[06:40:12] < Cricket_B> What do you think it means?
[06:40:16] < Spengo> I have no idea
[06:40:28] < millinao> is it less harmful than other drugs
[06:40:28] < Spengo> you have visual studio installed on a usb external drive? O_
[06:40:30] < prime38> i would think it would help to clarify the experience
[06:40:42] < Cricket_B> No, communication with USB devices
[06:40:54] < millinao> ...
[06:41:00] < millinao> like, USB drives?
[06:41:06] < Spengo> uh
[06:41:09] < prime38> like the 84+
[06:41:15] < Cricket_B> yeah
[06:41:16] < Spengo> well it's communicating with your USB keyboard when you type
[06:41:21] < Spengo> and your mouse when you click stuff
[06:41:22] < millinao> haha
[06:41:24] < millinao> Spengo++
[06:41:34] < prime38> screw usb mice keyboards
[06:41:39] < Spengo> seriously what do you mean though
[06:41:40] < prime38> i hate using them
[06:41:43] < millinao> wtf prime
[06:41:48] < prime38> ps/2
[06:41:50] < Spengo> you want to save data on a usb device?
[06:41:53] < prime38> duh
[06:41:57] < Spengo> aka usb hard drive or flash drive
[06:42:00] < Cricket_B> I mean I need it to send and recieve data through USB to a USB device, like the TI-84+SE
[06:42:13] < Spengo> well
[06:42:22] < millinao> A TI-84+SE is just a LITTLE bit different than a flash drive
[06:42:25] < Spengo> I guess you could use BrandonW's thingy that makes the 84+ act as an external drive
[06:42:34] < millinao> That doesn't work, I thought?
[06:42:34] < Spengo> though why in the world you would want to do such a thing is beyond me
[06:42:42] < Cricket_B> I already know a simple representation of the protocal, but the communication is not built into Visual Studio
[06:42:50] < Spengo> what are you trying to do exactly
[06:43:03] < millinao> haha spengo, you've asked this about 3 times
[06:43:07] < Spengo> because what you are asking makes absolutely no sense
[06:43:09] < Spengo> to anyone in here
[06:43:19] < Cricket_B> I am trying to send data packets to and from a USB device. Not a drive, device
[06:43:30] < Spengo> with visual studio?
[06:43:35] < prime38> i am sure there are usb libararies
[06:43:36] < Cricket_B> Yup
[06:43:38] < prime38> and you use those
[06:43:53] < Spengo> you use visual studio to write programs
[06:43:53] < Cricket_B> I already looked; no USB librairies in VS6
[06:43:59] < Spengo> not communicate with usb devices
[06:44:07] < Cricket_B> I know.
[06:44:21] < Cricket_B> I'm trying to write a program to communicate with USB devices.
[06:44:29] < Spengo> oh
[06:44:32] < Spengo> in what language
[06:44:33] < millinao> That's not part of VS
[06:44:38] < Cricket_B> VB
[06:44:41] < Spengo> ew
[06:44:44] < millinao> That's what ever libraries for that language you use
[06:44:48] < Cricket_B> VB6, to be more specific
[06:44:52] < Spengo> also you can write visual basic with other programs than visual studio you know..
[06:44:54] < millinao> lolvb
[06:44:58] < Spengo> visual studio really has nothing to do with it
[06:45:00] < Spengo> also vb6 sucks
[06:45:07] < Spengo> use C for pete's sake
[06:45:18] < Cricket_B> I'm too stupid to learn C
[06:45:21] < Spengo> especially with stuff like drivers
[06:45:24] < millinao> apparently
[06:45:37] < millinao> Cricket_B, man up and learn a real language
[06:45:42] < Cricket_B> I don't need to write a driver, just communicate
[06:45:45] < millinao> otherwise, we're not going to give you real help
[06:46:09] < Cricket_B> I would flame here, but I don't want what happened last time to happen again
[06:46:34] < Cricket_B> I guess a match wouldn't hurt
[06:46:39]  * Cricket_B lights a match
[06:46:57] < boxknife> See, this is why we can't have nice things.
[06:47:04] < Cricket_B> ?
[06:47:41]  * Cricket_B gets burned by the match as the flame consumes the stick
[06:48:04]  * Cricket_B drops the lit match into a container filled with water
[06:48:51] < Cricket_B> Well, does anyone know how to do the USB communication?
[06:48:52]  * Spengo drops a hunk of sodium in Cricket_B's water
[06:48:58] < millinao> No
[06:49:16]  * Cricket_B runs away as the sodium explodes
[06:49:28]  * Cricket_B is not hurt by the explosion
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[06:50:08] < Spengo> Cricket_B likes his /me a bit too much methinks
[06:50:18] < Cricket_B> Hey...that container of water was on Randomist's hole
[06:51:00] < Spengo> Cricket_B, my answer is you should use a language appropriate for what you are trying to do
[06:51:15] < Cricket_B> I only really know BASIC and ASM
[06:51:22] < millinao> LOL
[06:51:31] < Spengo> then C will be easy to pick up
[06:51:36] < millinao> You know ASM, but you are too stupid to learn C?
[06:51:56] < Cricket_B> Well, can I learn C++ instead?
[06:52:04] < Spengo> uh
[06:52:21] < Spengo> you do realize they are the same just that C++ adds on all the object oriented stuff right?
[06:52:38] < millinao> C++ = C + crap
[06:52:40] < Cricket_B> ...I didn't realize
[06:52:56] < Cricket_B> C++ = C + Randomist
[06:53:03] < Cricket_B> LOL
[06:53:15] < millinao> lolwut
[06:53:18] < Spengo> wow u r made a funny har-de-har
[06:53:41] <+Nikky> :)
[06:56:06] < Cricket_B> Is C good?
[06:56:32] < millinao> Is bread important?
[06:56:44] < Cricket_B> ...so C is good, right?
[06:57:02] < millinao> take a moment and think about what you are saying
[06:57:09] < Cricket_B> It is!
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[06:57:23] < Cricket_B> C++ = Nikki + Randomist
[06:57:31]  * Spengo backs slowly away from Cricket_B 
[06:57:46] < Cricket_B> Now, who is C++?
[06:58:00] < DarkAuron> find out next time on dragon ball Z!
[06:58:13] < Cricket_B> ???
[06:58:13] < millinao> I don't know why that was hilarious
[06:58:16] < millinao> but it was
[06:58:32] < millinao> btw Cricket_B, go inject some smart juice
[06:58:34] < millinao> you need it
[06:58:38] < Spengo> it doesn't make a bit of difference guys
[06:58:41] < Spengo> Cricket_B's balls are inert
[06:58:58] < Cricket_B> i_c-Y = Randomist + Randomist
[06:59:21] < Spengo> what the hell are you babbling on about with all this addition
[06:59:33] < millinao> I think Cricket_B just went bad
[06:59:39] < millinao> We need to dispose of him
[06:59:49] < millinao> he's beyond repair
[06:59:52] < Cricket_B> i_c-Y - Spengo = Spengo
[07:00:06] < millinao> ...
[07:00:10] < millinao> what are you saying
[07:00:46] < Cricket_B> millnao = : )
[07:00:55] < Spengo> !k Cricket_B KAME HAME HAAAA
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[07:01:07] < millinao> since when did spengo have kick?
[07:01:12] < Spengo> since a very long time
[07:01:16] < millinao> oh
[07:01:22] < millinao> i've never seen you use it
[07:01:23] < Spengo> I just don't do it often
[07:01:33] < Cricket_B> Spengo = Andy_J
[07:01:50] < Cricket_B> Andy_J = 2 * millinao = : ) : )
[07:01:50] < Spengo> if you would look at the hostmasks you would find this to be incorrect
[07:02:05] < Spengo> !k Cricket_B auto-rejoin also quit spamming nonsense
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[07:02:11] < millinao> haha
[07:02:25] < millinao> I hope Cricket_B fixes himself when I come back
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[07:02:33] < Spengo> >:|
[07:02:38]  * Cricket_B fixes himself
[07:03:41] < Cricket_B> Spengo.IQ = 99
[07:03:55] < DarkAuron> you forgot the ;
[07:04:00] < Spengo> epic fail
[07:04:07] < Cricket_B> This is BASIC, there is no ;
[07:04:18] < Spengo> wow, even more epic fail
[07:04:24] < DarkAuron> um, BASIC doesn't have objects
[07:04:37] < Cricket_B> "epic fail" = Randomist
[07:04:47] < Cricket_B> DarkAuron, VB does
[07:04:54] < Spengo> he's using vb6...
[07:04:57] < DarkAuron> VB doesn't count as a language :o
[07:05:19] < Cricket_B> Also some newer versions (Newer means >= V4.5) of qBASIC
[07:05:30] < Spengo> but using vb6 is like taking a drink from the anus of a gorilla with a bad case of diarrhea
[07:05:45] < Cricket_B> Well, then I like doing that!
[07:05:52] < DarkAuron> ...
[07:06:22] < Spengo> I just thought of something
[07:06:47] < Cricket_B> What? <insert something stupid here>
[07:08:02] < Spengo> maybe Cricket_B doesn't really have the brain of an autistic stegosaurus but is actually trolling and all his questions that make no sense are merely a ruse
[07:08:25] < Cricket_B> ?
[07:08:31] < Cricket_B> What's a ruse?
[07:08:39] < DarkAuron> oy spengo
[07:08:43] < DarkAuron> don't worry about it
[07:09:25]  * Cricket_B is away from IRC (I have to sleep)
[07:09:28] < Spengo> well I'm going to sleep now
[07:09:29] < Spengo> omg
[07:09:41] < DarkAuron> lol.
[07:09:59]  * Cricket_B is back on IRC (I can't sleep)
[07:10:32] < prime38> rouses can be delicious
[07:10:57] < Cricket_B> ...so my questions that make no sense are delicious?
[07:10:58] < Spengo> avocado
[07:11:09] < Spengo> rouses?
[07:11:15] < Spengo> -.-
[07:11:22] < Spengo> anyways => sleep
[07:11:36] < Cricket_B> ERR:Unknown
[07:13:05] < Cricket_B> 2. Goto
[07:13:06] < Cricket_B> anyways =>_ sleep
[07:15:11] < Cricket_B> I like pie
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[07:20:47] < prime38> monsters
[07:22:21] < DarkAuron> ?
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[08:00:04] <@E-J> morning
[08:10:53] < prime38> so it is
[08:12:04] <@E-J> nicolas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhlERjW0bhw
[08:29:40] < boxknife> Ah, crap. I notice a bug in my game -right- after I submit it.
[08:42:34] < boxknife> Oh, neat. They let me replace the old one in the queue.
[08:43:15] <+nicolas> morning lads
[08:43:24] <@E-J> morning
[08:43:51] <+nicolas> omg
[08:44:01] <+nicolas> just saw the first 3 seconds of tha video
[08:44:12] <+nicolas> it was enough for me to guess the rest
[08:44:18] <+nicolas> I think I saw it already before
[08:44:21] <+nicolas> ridiculous
[08:44:53] <+nicolas> how can soooo many people in public even fail like that
[08:45:04] <+nicolas> they're living in a heliocentric reality or what!
[08:45:36] <+nicolas> at least they managed to not choose Mars or Venus
[08:45:44] <+nicolas> hahahah
[08:46:06] < DarkAuron> yeah that's pretty bad
[08:46:20] <+nicolas> "allez le soleil, c'est mon dernier mot, faut fonce"
[08:46:36] <+nicolas> lol "merde..."
[08:46:37] <+nicolas> hahah
[08:46:42] <@E-J> if i would have been on that audience, i would have pressed mars or venus, just because of how stupid man can be
[08:46:54] < DarkAuron> heh
[08:47:07] < DarkAuron> he's just uneducated apparently
[08:47:08] <+nicolas> that guy shouldn't even deserve to win 1500...
[08:47:28] <+nicolas> DarkAuron: yeah, along with like 55-60% of the audience
[08:47:38] <+nicolas> pretty scary stuff
[08:47:57] <+nicolas> I must say, i've seen my share of incredulous moments on the italian who wants to be a millionaire too
[08:48:07] <+nicolas> infact, on pretty much EVERY tv show :P
[08:49:14] <+nicolas> the best bing "blondes and nerds" or whatrever that show is colled
[08:49:17] <+nicolas> called*
[08:49:37] < DarkAuron> beauty and the geek?
[08:49:42] <@E-J> they had same here
[08:51:26] <+nicolas> DarkAuron: yeah, that must be it
[08:51:40] <@E-J> nicolas: that's somehow amaizing how stupid some people are, especially when they can get money just looking nice
[08:52:19] <@E-J> but now to school ->
[08:52:42] <+nicolas> E-J: yeah, I'm jealous ...
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[09:22:57] <@E-J> nicolas: :)
[09:25:26] <+nicolas> I'm sure you agree.. it must be nice getting paid good money just to stand there and do nothing, except, smile
[09:33:28] <@E-J> hard for me because i'm skeptic and pessimist finn, who doesn't like to be in pictures and who doesn't smile :P
[09:35:47] <+nicolas> you still might be better off than other in this channel :P
[09:36:05] <+nicolas> calculator porn doesn't pay!
[09:36:19] <@Andy_J> 03:03:13 < Cricket_B> Spengo = Andy_J
[09:36:19] <@Andy_J> 03:03:29 < Cricket_B> Andy_J = 2 * millinao = : ) : )
[09:36:22] <@Andy_J> wtf?
[09:39:12] <+nicolas> yeah, that cricket_b dude was on drugs
[09:40:12] <@E-J> is
[09:41:45] <+nicolas> E-J: probably, i'm just saying "was" because he's not around irght now
[09:42:18] <@E-J> yep
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[09:55:30] <@efneTI86> [Leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
[10:03:44] < prime38> Andy_J: it's true
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[10:32:14] < boxknife> I have the Soviet national anthem stuck in my head.
[10:34:35] < prime38> commie
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[14:14:45] < Sir_Lewk> hell-low homedogs
[14:15:18]  * Sir_Lewk hates on #tcpa
[14:26:39] < mokomull> hi.
[14:26:51] < Sir_Lewk> ah, someone is here
[14:26:57] < prime38> whats up dog
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[14:27:12] < Sir_Lewk> notin much
[14:27:31] < mokomull> I'm in calculus right now.
[14:27:39] < mokomull> the prof is going in like algebraic circles
[14:29:38]  * Sir_Lewk hates on gnome/yum/fedora
[14:29:52] < Sir_Lewk> why the fsck do I need to install compiz to install gnome?
[14:30:11] < mokomull> I dunno.
[14:30:23] < mokomull> My computer can't even handle compiz when I have my second screen active
[14:31:14] < Sir_Lewk> my comp can technically handle it fine, but I don't generally use fglrx
[14:31:23] < Sir_Lewk> I prefer stability to DRI ;)
[14:31:31] < mokomull> maximum texture size is 2048x2048... and my screen is usually 1680+1440=3120 pixels wide.
[14:31:40] < mokomull> please tell me I got the math right :)
[14:32:01] <@E-J> mokomull: yes
[14:32:04] < mokomull> Sir_Lewk: In a little bit, there will be stable open source ATI drivers.  Which makes me sad, since I have a 7600GT.
[14:32:19] < Sir_Lewk> yeah, that's pretty much what I'm waiting on
[14:32:43] < Sir_Lewk> I have a r600 card so it'll take a bit longer, r500 is alreading in the making though
[14:34:09] < Sir_Lewk> I think I don't have enough free space on / for gnome :S
[14:34:22] < mokomull> haha
[14:34:49] <@E-J> use the kde, lewk
[14:35:10] < Sir_Lewk> I do
[14:35:31] < Sir_Lewk> I'm trying to get gnome running in Xnest while using KDE (I'm bored)
[14:35:48] < Sir_Lewk> (very bored)
[14:36:28] < prime38> write my damn paper if you are so bored
[14:36:35] < Sir_Lewk> what's it about?
[14:39:19] < prime38> upper paleolithic art
[14:39:25] < prime38> aka cave paintings
[14:39:52] < Sir_Lewk> interesting
[14:41:12] < Sir_Lewk> unfortunately I got my archeology degree several decades ago, I'm a bit rusty in that subject
[14:41:15] < Sir_Lewk> ;p
[14:41:46] < Sir_Lewk> O.o
[14:42:05] < Sir_Lewk> why the hell is 32-bit gnome being installed >:(
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[14:51:25] <@efneTI86> [Spengo] We do what we must because we can
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[14:56:36] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
[14:56:40] <@E-J> old http://www.popgive.com/2007/12/always-clear-download-history.html
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[14:57:12] <+Sir_Lewk> wow, not sure what the heck happened there
[14:58:00] <@E-J> [17:57:13]  *** Signoff: Sir_Lewk (Remote host closed the connection)
[14:58:41] <+Sir_Lewk> yeah, had to ctrl+alt+backspace
[14:59:23] <+Sir_Lewk> everything became unresponsive
[15:00:13] <+Sir_Lewk> I tried to launch an X-forwared xclock into a local Xnest
[15:00:47] <+Sir_Lewk> ie:
[15:00:48] <+Sir_Lewk> [john@major ~]$ Xnest :1
[15:01:16] <+Sir_Lewk> [jlg95@tux ~]$ xclock -display :1
[15:01:27] <+Sir_Lewk> major being local
[15:03:37] <+Sir_Lewk> what scares me is where it's actually going, tux's admin's screen?
[15:04:12] <+Sir_Lewk> (tux is my CS department's cluster
[15:06:25] <+Nikky> wow, a cs department cluster
[15:06:45] <+Nikky> like nobody else has access to anything like that...
[15:07:00] < prime38> i need a concluding sentence
[15:07:09] < prime38> for this paper
[15:07:13] < Barrett> what's it about?
[15:07:23] < prime38> upper paleolithic art
[15:07:24] <+Sir_Lewk> Nikky, I would assume everyone would
[15:07:53] < Barrett> "And in conclusion, cavemen did not, in fact, use fingerpaint."
[15:08:11] < prime38> ok thanks
[15:08:12] <+Sir_Lewk> if you know what I'm doing wrong besides using Fedora and being right-wing then I welcome your help though
[15:08:13] < prime38> lies
[15:08:28] <+Nikky> Yeah, you're forwarding X
[15:08:32] <+Nikky> that's what you're doing wrong
[15:08:46] < prime38> they used their fingers, and even ate the paint and spit it out for 'spray painting'
[15:08:56] <+Sir_Lewk> ah, it all makes sense now
[15:09:09] <+Nikky> Only noobs need a GUI
[15:09:19] < prime38> Sir_Lewk: looks like you have a memory leak
[15:09:23] < prime38> its called Nikky
[15:09:29] <+Sir_Lewk> xD
[15:10:11] <+Sir_Lewk> the only reason I ever actually use Xfordarding is because I hate having Maple installed on my laptop
[15:10:45] <+Sir_Lewk> because it sucks ass
[15:10:52] <+Nikky> :(
[15:10:57] <+Sir_Lewk> you like maple?
[15:11:09] <+Nikky> I like trees
[15:11:24] <+Sir_Lewk> treehugger :P
[15:11:42] < prime38> must print paper!
[15:11:46] < prime38> must use trees
[15:11:59] < prime38> .........NOW
[15:12:01] <+Sir_Lewk> Maple, as in the want to be Matlab ;P
[15:12:03] <+Sir_Lewk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_%28software%29
[15:12:35] <@E-J> haven't used maple since freshman year
[15:12:45] <@E-J> matlab ftw!
[15:13:41] <+Sir_Lewk> nvm, I suppose they are technically somewhat different
[15:14:27] <+Sir_Lewk> matlab = "numerical analysis software" while maple = "computer algebra system"?
[15:14:33] <+Sir_Lewk> whatever
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[15:18:46] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk_] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
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[15:19:16] <@E-J> yes they are, but when studying to be engineer (M.Sc(Tech)), mostly you don't need cas
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[15:39:26] < mokomull> Sir_Lewk: They're very different
[15:39:51] <+Sir_Lewk> yeah, didn't really realize that
[15:39:58] <+Sir_Lewk> I still hate maple though
[15:40:06] < mokomull> MATLAB doesn't have CAS, but it does use arrays and matrices as a primitive data type.
[15:40:10] < mokomull> Why do you hate Maple?
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[15:41:47] <+Sir_Lewk> I have no real reason I suppose
[15:42:12] <+Sir_Lewk> my maple class is really bad, I suppose I'm just biased
[15:42:20] < mokomull> I personally hate MATLAB as a language.  It promotes ugliness :)
[15:42:45] < mokomull> Maple's pretty easy to use.  Mathematica has a far higher learning curve, but is far more powerful.
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[15:50:42] <@efneTI86> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[15:58:28] <+Sir_Lewk> I can type at 922 words per minute :D http://sirlewk.googlepages.com/fast.png
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[15:59:40] < Barrett> speed == words per minute?
[16:00:07] <+Sir_Lewk> also, why did I screenshot the screenshot dialog?...
[16:00:12] <@benryves> Unlikely, given the total number of characters typed...
[16:00:14] <+Sir_Lewk> yeah
[16:00:40] <+Sir_Lewk> well, it's a ratio
[16:00:57] <+Sir_Lewk> it was lagging like hell so it thought I was typing fast I guess
[16:01:10] <@benryves> Oh, heh, so a very short test :)
[16:01:16] < Barrett> you're a phony!
[16:02:24] <+Sir_Lewk> I typed 32 words in ~45 seconds, they appeared on the screen ~30 seconds later :D
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[16:07:57] <@E-J> Sir_Lewk: have you never done this http://typera.tk/
[16:08:56] <+Sir_Lewk> hmm, neat
[16:10:03] <@E-J> "Your score: 196 keys per minute ~ 39 words per minute" "Language/mode: classic-fi"
[16:10:28] <+Sir_Lewk> can't get it to work :S
[16:10:34] <@E-J> but finnish have longer words and so on...
[16:10:46] <+Sir_Lewk> java applet starts and displays, won't take keyboard input :S
[16:11:07] <@E-J> press mouse to focus it?
[16:11:12] <+Sir_Lewk> yeah, tried
[16:11:19] <@benryves> Silly patent trolls :(
[16:11:26]  * benryves grumbles at Eolas.
[16:11:30] <+Sir_Lewk> ?
[16:12:08] <@benryves> The people behind the irritating "Click to activate this control" problem on embedded controls.
[16:12:27] <+Sir_Lewk> http://typera.tk/error.cws
[16:12:37] <+Sir_Lewk> cookies are enabled
[16:12:44]  * Sir_Lewk kicks IceTea Java
[16:17:17] < i_c-Y> lolxnest
[16:17:48] < Barrett> 92 words per minute...
[16:18:00] < Barrett> not my best performance
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[16:22:50] < Barrett> 97 wpm
[16:23:07] < Barrett> still not my best, but it looks like if I type a little more slowly, I type faster
[16:23:14] < Barrett> (less backspacing)
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[16:23:21] <@efneTI86> [Tyler2] I no longer speak fluent dialup.
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[16:24:34] <@E-J> words english (30wpm) and sentences finnish (36wpm) went worse than that first one
[16:26:46] < Barrett> 82 wpd on words
[16:26:49] < Barrett> those are harder
[16:27:00] < Barrett> wpm*
[16:28:08] <@E-J> somehow for me words were easier that sentences (no caps and not-letters)
[16:29:48] < Barrett> I think that I broke 100 wpm on my laptop keyboard
[16:29:55] < Barrett> (right now I keep getting 98)
[16:30:14] < Barrett> or maybe I'm just getting old
[16:32:34] < Barrett> 110!!!!!!!!
[16:32:43] < Barrett> Comparison: 1% of 30115 registered TyperA users using this language have typed a better result; 99% have a lower or equal result. 
[16:33:06] < Barrett> and only two mistakes : Mistakes: onoy(only), tiem(time) 
[16:33:51] < Barrett> I should really be in class right now...
[16:34:59] <@E-J> Barrett: "one more"?-)
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[16:44:15] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
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[17:22:42] < i_c-Y> i should map capslock to esc
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[19:03:06] <+asmand> E-J: työmatkalle ruotsiin ylihuomenna
[19:04:44] <@E-J> varo niitä hurreja sitten
[19:04:55] <@E-J> ei tiedä mihin työntävät kätensä :)
[19:06:46] <+asmand> lol
[19:11:15] < mokomull> asmand lives!
[19:11:17] < mokomull> :)
[19:12:27] <+asmand> =)
[19:16:27] < Spengo> oh man
[19:16:35] < Spengo> there's a guy on youtube with a BALLOON FETISH!?
[19:16:37] < Spengo> aaaahahahahaha
[19:23:24] <@E-J> asmand: http://youtube.com/watch?v=1ACqH5EGZe8 (if your finnish is in good enough shape)
[19:30:40] <@E-J> http://carmina.ytmnd.com/
[19:32:19] < Hoodman> hey, ive got a 89 Titanium, anyone know how to do more than a square room, like a quad root, or 3x root?
[19:34:53] < Hoodman> this is killing me
[19:35:12] < Hoodman> also, how do i make it so i will round to 4 decimals not 3
[19:36:00] < Hoodman> •chronomex• you arround?
[19:36:17] <@E-J> Hoodman: from mode that second one "display digits"
[19:36:26] <@E-J> and please, no colours here
[19:36:39] < Hoodman> sorry, it does it by itself
[19:37:04] <@E-J> you can disable that option
[19:37:11] <@E-J> yourself
[19:37:18] < Hoodman> ok, i will...sorry
[19:37:35] < Hoodman> ok, so mode....then page 2?
[19:37:47] <@E-J> page one
[19:37:53] <@E-J> display digits
[19:38:06] < Hoodman> ok, great
[19:38:09] < Hoodman> i see it
[19:38:41] <@E-J> and and roots are x^(1/n) 
[19:39:28] < Hoodman> could you go a bit deeper on that one
[19:39:32] <@E-J> quadroot x^(1/4)
[19:40:01] <@E-J> squareroot x^(1/2)
[19:40:08] < Hoodman> do you know where i find the command quadroot...ect?
[19:40:26] <+asmand> quadroot = x^(1/4)
[19:40:27] <@E-J> there isn't such
[19:40:37] <+asmand> you know the math behind it?
[19:40:40] <+asmand> behind roots?
[19:41:01] < DarkAuron> trial and error!
[19:41:10] < Hoodman> im just learning roots, but my proff says i have to be able to do it on the calc
[19:41:24] < Hoodman> or i have to get another
[19:41:48] <+asmand> x^(1/2) is the same as the square root of x
[19:42:07] <+asmand> x^(1/3) is the same as the third root of x
[19:42:20] <+asmand> x^(1/4) is the same as the quad root of x
[19:42:27] <+asmand> (fourth root, whatever)
[19:42:44] < Hoodman> ok
[19:42:50] < Hoodman> well thats easy enough
[19:43:26] <+asmand> Hoodman: what grade are you in?
[19:43:53] <@E-J> in finnish there is saying "kaiken pahan alku ja juuri on neliöjuuri" shortly translated "start and root of all the evil is square root"
[19:43:54] < Hoodman> im taking algebra for the first time
[19:44:04] < Hoodman> im in college
[19:44:10] < Hoodman> never took it in hs
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[19:44:34] <@E-J> i think i had squareroot on comperhensive school
[19:45:04] < Hoodman> well, im 30....15 years ago...you didnt have to take algebra
[19:45:42] < Hoodman> its a good thing hs kids need to now
[19:45:50] <@E-J> i'm almost 26 and i have had this things, but different country different habbits
[19:46:33] < Hoodman> Im from Ohio, the school systems here have sucked for years
[19:46:49] <+Nikky> School always sucks.
[19:47:04] <+asmand> I'm 27
[19:47:07] < Hoodman> im actually very happy with my classes
[19:47:11] <+Nikky> No, you're 13 asmand.
[19:47:20] <+asmand> Nikky: oh, right, I forgot
[19:47:32] <+Nikky> We're all 13.
[19:47:42] <@E-J> asmand: btw, how's lilla finne?
[19:47:54] < Hoodman> then i need to go....lol
[19:49:04] <+asmand> E-J: he's doing great, he turns 6 months on wednesday
[19:49:40] <@E-J> oh :)
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[19:49:55] <+Nikky> awww
[19:50:17] <+Nikky> About time to start him on BASIC
[19:50:30] < Hoodman> ok, well thanks for all you help....everyone
[19:50:44] <+Nikky> No problem
[19:51:11] <@E-J> ti-85 is good calc to play with, no small parts and so on
[19:51:40] < Hoodman> heheheh
[19:51:59] < i_c-Y> no no, you have to make this child superior. start him out with the ti-89 ti
[19:52:00] < Hoodman> the one person who says your welcome....i dont remember helping, lol
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[19:52:03] < i_c-Y> for it is SUPERIOR!
[19:52:10] <+asmand> and I'll miss his half-year birthday :(
[19:53:03] < Hoodman> talk to everyone later....im sure
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[19:53:49] <+Nikky> asmand: Uhoh!
[19:54:45] <@E-J> asmand: no pictures about hime on irc-galleria?
[19:54:48] <@E-J> -e
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[19:59:02] < MetalRand> Is Ubuntu really hampering the Debian project, or is that just a myth?
[19:59:04] < Milyardo> le growl
[19:59:34] <@E-J> i think it's myth
[20:00:11] < Milyardo> You think.... There for you are..... Or Are you?
[20:00:14] <@E-J> why do they want to hamper debian, when they are making their own project from it
[20:00:30] < Milyardo> Who's hampering debian?
[20:00:39] <@E-J> Milyardo: you are
[20:00:44] < Milyardo> schweet
[20:01:41] <+Nikky> Muth
[20:02:55] <+asmand> E-J: nope
[20:04:54] < Calgar> eh..... what sort of elitist idiot would think that
[20:05:49] < MetalRand> Huh.  When the hell'd I make a Digg account?
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[20:07:34] <+Nikky> diggtard
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[20:08:51] < MetalRand> I just clicked a link somewhere and for some reason, ended up logging into Digg.
[20:14:10] < i_c-Y> Calgar> eh..... what sort of elitist idiot would think that < we call those people 'The debian project'
[20:14:52] < Calgar> true
[20:14:58] < i_c-Y> part of the issue is that ubuntu -> debian packaging isn't proper
[20:15:11] < i_c-Y> and ubuntu already fucks stuff that debian fucked over more than it already is fucked.
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[20:16:06] < i_c-Y> ie theres a ton of crap choices on the ubuntu team's part which dont make things that were built on ubuntu run on debian for some odd reason. plus, conflicting policies, etc.
[20:16:50] < i_c-Y> plus, debian doesnt make mainline updates as fast as ubuntu
[20:16:57] < i_c-Y> for good reason of course.
[20:17:01] < i_c-Y> which screws more stuff up
[20:17:11] < i_c-Y> the ubuntu idiots dont stop submitting their shitty patches to debian
[20:17:37] < MetalRand> So, both Debian and Ubuntu (and anything based on them) suck?
[20:17:39] < i_c-Y> (i saw a few of em and i swear nobody even tried them - theres no reason to use STL in some of these patches!)
[20:17:56] < i_c-Y> MetalRand: i have no problem with debian except i dont particularly enjoy dpkg and apt
[20:18:03] < i_c-Y> ubuntu on the other hand...
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[20:19:38] < Calgar> well.... personally, i think ubuntu is great....... 
[20:21:47] < i_c-Y> plus, also consider how ubuntu is made. snapshots from debian. except they're done in a way that you have trouble to go backport patches to debian.
[20:21:47] < i_c-Y> its becoming a frankenstein in its own right.
[20:21:47] < i_c-Y> and its sickening.
[20:21:47] < Calgar> because, it does something that a lot of linux dev's dont realise their software has to do.... WORK FOR USERS!
[20:21:47] < i_c-Y> plus the Ubuntu userbase is generally idiots.
[20:21:47] < i_c-Y> ie. Calgar.
[20:21:47] < Calgar> why? because i want an operating system that actually works and is easy to use......
[20:21:48] < Calgar> yeah, really "idiotic"
[20:21:48] < i_c-Y> the only thing kinda good someone did with ubuntu is nexenta, and thats been done before.
[20:21:55] < i_c-Y> golly gee. may as well use the copy of windows then that came with your computer considering all you're doing is sitting in gnome doing everything else exactly like youd do on windows except sipping on starbucks and doing other trendy crap
[20:21:55] <@E-J> Calgar: i_c-Y is one of those wannabes who think that only good linux is one that no-one normal can use (ie slackware, gentoo)
[20:22:11] < i_c-Y> i_c-Y is superior.
[20:22:20] < i_c-Y> and im all for debian
[20:22:20] < i_c-Y> im all for centos
[20:22:33] < i_c-Y> not so much for fedora cause they're a bit crazy.
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[20:22:50] < i_c-Y> if you havent noticed, im not really a gentoo supporter.
[20:23:14] < i_c-Y> last time i was a gentoo supporter was probably 2004
[20:23:41] < i_c-Y> and anyone can use slackware.
[20:23:48] < i_c-Y> its that damn easy.
[20:23:48] < _krisk_> foobar users?
[20:23:49] < i_c-Y> me!
[20:23:50] <@E-J> i started with rh5.2 on 1999, that was little hard, but i think i learn things when i tried to make modem connection work
[20:23:54] <@E-J> and me
[20:24:01] < MetalRand> I started with Slackware.
[20:24:11] < i_c-Y> i just dont like crap products. like Ubuntu.
[20:24:11] < MetalRand> In 2000-something.
[20:24:11] < Calgar> maybe, i like to use free software because it works better...... and agree with the morality and ethics of it? hmm? have you considered that? but dont want to have to use obscure command lines every day......
[20:24:32] < Calgar> or write scripts
[20:24:36] < Calgar> or compile it myself
[20:24:43] <@E-J> kubuntu is nice when you don't have to do things on config files etc
[20:24:48] < i_c-Y> riight. just because something is free doesnt mean it works better. in general i find the opposite true.
[20:24:59] < _krisk_> i have foobar with gen_msn plugin and it works but it doesnt update stream titles even though in the playlist the title of the stream changes with the track the stream is playing, any thoughts?
[20:25:12]  * MetalRand still shivers at the word "Kubuntu," 'cause of what they did to KDE IV.
[20:25:24] <@E-J> ./configure - make - make install isn't thing everyone wants to do every time you install something
[20:25:30] < i_c-Y> _krisk_: try using foo_winamp_spam instead and then you could read it out with winamp style.
[20:25:53] < _krisk_> sounds nice thanks, but "read it out with winamp" ??
[20:26:08] < Calgar> i have found a lot of free software to be better than its commercial rivals...... ie vs firefox, evolution vs outlook, pidgin vs trillian etc
[20:26:32] < i_c-Y> E-J: im not saying that you have to do that. heck, im not even saying pkg_add -r package.
[20:26:39] < i_c-Y> i dont care what the package manager is.
[20:27:08] < i_c-Y> my issue is not in general wtih the package manager. its with everything else. i don't like apt - just personal preference, but if im on a debian system i deal with it. 
[20:27:17] < i_c-Y> i dont like pacman, but if im on an arch system i deal with it.
[20:27:35] < i_c-Y> if im on a ubuntu system, i generally have desires to kill the person who set it up.
[20:27:47] < _krisk_> lulz
[20:28:07] < Calgar> bah, i am just fed up with elitist bigots that feel superior because they can use an OS that everyone else considers impossible to use
[20:28:18]  * MetalRand looks shamefully at his Ubuntu installation, and quietly kills it for Debian.
[20:28:18] < i_c-Y> now, whose going to make the 'omg windows fanboy' comment?
[20:28:28] < _krisk_> i like ubuntu
[20:28:31] <+Nikky> Too bad Photoshop kicks the shit out of Gimp
[20:28:31] < i_c-Y> its not elitist biggotry, its making sense.
[20:28:47] < Calgar> i_c-Y: no windows fanboy..... i use ubuntu
[20:29:22] < Calgar> and it is the easiest and fastest OS i have used for GTD
[20:29:38] < i_c-Y> and if someone wants to go through my firefox is a piece of shit speech for me that would be nice.
[20:29:46] <+Nikky> Firefox sucks
[20:30:04] < _krisk_> browsers suck
[20:30:10] < _krisk_> oses suck
[20:30:11] < Calgar> computers suck
[20:30:22] < _krisk_> chicks suck
[20:30:43] < Calgar> the world sucks
[20:30:44] < MetalRand> _krisk_++
[20:30:48] < Calgar> the universe sucks
[20:31:01] < Calgar> the multiverse sucks
[20:31:01] <@E-J> but tcpa rocks
[20:31:06] < _krisk_> fuck yeah
[20:32:08] < _krisk_> so anyway
[20:32:18] < i_c-Y> did you try foo_winamp_spam?
[20:32:30] < _krisk_> i can install that winamp spam thing but then how do i get it to announce stuff in msn?
[20:33:01] < i_c-Y> doesnt msn have a builtin notifier for winamp?
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[20:33:18] < _krisk_> doesn t it work the other way around?
[20:33:24] < _krisk_> ie. winamp notifies msn
[20:33:27] < _krisk_> or foobar in my case
[20:33:38] < _krisk_> msn just accepts the message and puts in the name
[20:33:40] < _krisk_> afaik
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[21:42:23] < alijones> it's files you can open with winhp, to be read on HP calculators, *.t49
[21:43:29] < alijones> i've looked everywhere
[21:43:29] < alijones> can't find a thing
[21:43:29] < alijones> i didn't want to redo it to voyage format
[21:43:31] < alijones> have an exam tomorrow and this stuff would be very helpfull
[21:43:39] < alijones> didn't want to lose time converting manually´´
[21:46:07] < Spengo> woo fancy
[21:46:12] < Spengo> ray tracing support in dx11
[21:46:23] < Grue> heh yeah
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[21:48:59] < Spengo> hmm
[21:49:22] < Spengo> I hate when people use incredibly biased screenshots to try and show something
[21:49:24]  * MetalRand watches a video of a tarantula taking down a mouse, and then reads all the resulting hate comments from the "animal rights activists."
[21:49:35] < Netham45> ooh raytracing
[21:49:36] < Spengo> http://www.techarp.com/article/Microsoft/DirectX_11/teas_edited-1.jpg
[21:49:54] < Spengo> the ray traced one does look nice but I know rasterized gfx can look just as good as that
[21:49:56] < Spengo> terrible example
[21:50:16] < Spengo> there aren't even shadows being cast on the other objects in the rasterized screenshot
[21:50:26] < Grue> yeah that is a crappy example
[21:52:04] < Spengo> this article was hilarious http://www.gpureview.com/the-asus-n7600gshtd256m-is-officially-full-of-win-article-653.html
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[21:58:31] <@E-J> np: Diablo - In Sorrow We Trust
[21:59:19] <@E-J> soon these guys are going to publish new album, maybe then i will go to music store again
[21:59:43] < i_c-Y> they did a good cover of dancing queen i think.
[22:00:07] <@E-J> yeah
[22:03:19] < i_c-Y> i wonder what my np script does to unicode
[22:03:21] < i_c-Y> np: ???? ?? - ?????????? 
[22:03:24] < i_c-Y> figures.
[22:03:55]  * MetalRand wonders if those are even allowed on IRC?
[22:04:43] < MetalRand> on IRC -> in here
[22:05:07] <@E-J> i_c-Y: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYa9814SHtk
[22:11:14] < i_c-Y> good song
[22:11:21] < i_c-Y> MetalRand: what, unicode?
[22:11:31] < i_c-Y> efnet is charset ascii so id get kicked for flood probably.
[22:11:36] < MetalRand> No, the 'now playing' things.
[22:11:43] < Netham45> yea, I allow ?'s.
[22:11:46] < i_c-Y> oh, they're allowed.
[22:11:46] < Netham45> :D
[22:12:17] < i_c-Y> i just dont think people should use them every line.
[22:14:15] < MetalRand> Wow... doesn't take much to get people into a debate about OSes.
[22:14:42] < MetalRand> All I gotta do is ask which should I use, and watch the downfall.
[22:14:49] < Milyardo> I think efnet allows other charsets
[22:15:14] < Milyardo> I remember there speaking in Japanese quite oftenly in efnet
[22:15:19] <+tailsfan> k
[22:15:34] <+tailsfan> where's the server
[22:17:17] < i_c-Y> Milyardo: all efnet servers have CHARSET=ascii .
[22:17:31] < Grue> Not quite all
[22:17:52] < i_c-Y> which ones dont?
[22:17:59] < i_c-Y> the ones owned by animu people?
[22:18:08] < Grue> A few are utf-8... though  can't think of which one(s) off the top of my head
[22:19:56] < MetalRand> Should I care about the popularity behind an OS?
[22:20:11] < i_c-Y> anyhow, even if it is charset ascii, you can still do unicode, as demonstrated by Spengo on a multitude of occasions.
[22:20:25] < Spengo> :D
[22:20:27] < i_c-Y> MetalRand: depends. if its popular, you probably have more stuff already done for you.
[22:20:55] <@E-J> and i use iso-8859-1 often
[22:21:02] < Spengo> ascii is overrated
[22:21:16] < Spengo> unicode can make cooler smileys
[22:21:18] <@E-J> you can't even write my name with ascii
[22:21:24] < Spengo> :o
[22:22:00] < Milyardo> :o
[22:22:47] <@E-J> actually my surname
[22:26:03] < MetalRand> Huh, both OS quizzes I took both recommend Ubuntu as the number two Linux distro for me.
[22:26:24] < MetalRand> As the first, one recommends Fedora, and the other recommends Ark.
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[22:30:03] <@E-J> linuxes are mostly for different purposes, like other systems
[22:30:46] <@E-J> but i don't what purpose visva has
[22:30:55] < _krisk_> money
[22:30:55] < Spengo> lmao
[22:31:03] < Spengo> I like the S3 and VIA comments when asked about dx11
[22:31:12] < Spengo> s3: Where did you hear this??? We have been working on a new series of high-end DirectX 10 graphics cards, and now they are shifting to ray-tracing?????
[22:31:25] < Spengo> via: it is not relevant. Our customers do not play games. Neither should you.
[22:31:29] < Spengo> xD
[22:36:28] < MetalRand> Isn't it Mandriva that has the screwed-up packaging system - I forget.
[22:43:23] < _krisk_> aren't they all screwed up except apt?
[22:45:26] < prime38> isnt all linux screwed up
[22:46:17] <@E-J> isn't prime38 screwed up
[22:46:53] < _krisk_> well i know i am
[22:47:14] <@E-J> MetalRand: i would think all of them have their pros and cons
[22:47:46] < _krisk_> can be scrwed and still have pros and cons
[22:48:54] < MetalRand> I want whichever one has the most pros and the least cons, a lot of bleeding-edge software, and a big repository (or lots of _up-to-date_ third-party repos).
[22:49:28] < i_c-Y> debian unstable.
[22:49:30] <@E-J> try windows
[22:49:42] < MetalRand> I already got Windows,
[22:50:25] < MetalRand> I'm only using it for stuff I can't run on Linux now, 'cause I don't feel like having to keep reinstalling Windows every time it starts to act up or get slow.
[22:51:04] < _krisk_> vmware?
[22:51:23] <@E-J> i can't understand this current "all here as fast as possible"-generation
[22:51:47] < i_c-Y> _krisk_: he has a via c7
[22:51:51] < i_c-Y> virtualization = bad idea
[22:52:01] < _krisk_> thats lulzy
[22:56:01] < _krisk_> zomg busgirl works at the grocery shop near me
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[23:02:41] < MetalRand> haha, I saw something on some Wikipedia article that says "OMG" is banned "multitude of IRC channels/"
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[23:06:06]  * MetalRand kicks Brasero.
[23:06:50] <@E-J> omg is acronym also for something else than "oh my gutenberg"
[23:07:36] <@E-J> like object managment group
[23:07:49] <@E-J> management*
[23:07:55] < Barrett> $70 for MS office pro plus
[23:08:03] <+Merthsoft> free for meeee
[23:08:06]  * MetalRand falls over.
[23:08:14] < Barrett> Merthsoft: how so?
[23:08:19] <+Merthsoft> school
[23:08:36] < Barrett> through my school it only gets down to $70
[23:08:38] < Barrett> and $60 for standard
[23:08:48] < Barrett> although, we can get Access for free through the CS department
[23:08:54] < Barrett> msdnaa
[23:08:55] <+Merthsoft> i'm not sure it's the same version as that that we get
[23:09:08]  * MetalRand would not spend seventy dollars on something like that.
[23:09:08] <+Merthsoft> we get office 2003 or office 2007, our choice
[23:10:48] <+ports> get office 2007
[23:11:25] <+Merthsoft> i did
[23:11:26] <+ports> computer science students at my school get free software through MSDNAA..
[23:11:39] < prime38> i get free software from the internets
[23:11:45] <+ports> supposedly some of the money for "lab fees" associated with computer science classes offsets the MSDNAA
[23:12:03] <+Merthsoft> we don't have lab fees
[23:12:18] <+Merthsoft> just hellalotsuv tuition
[23:12:38] <+ports> yeah
[23:12:43] <@E-J> we can get for free: f-secure antivirus and firewall, ssh tectia client and server, symantec antivirus and firewall, winaxe and microstation
[23:12:43] <+ports> it just depends how they get the money
[23:12:59] <@E-J> i can get newest matlab from lab
[23:13:10] <+ports> i usually had a $5/$10 fee per lab class i had.. but my tuition was low
[23:13:22] <+ports> E-J, ah. i hate matlab
[23:13:58] <@E-J> matlab ftw!
[23:14:02] < MetalRand> Why would someone pay for office software; almost a hundred bucks just for something you type stuff and draw in?
[23:14:11] <+ports> E-J, what version do you use?
[23:14:22] <@E-J> some things like simulations could be lots of harder without simulink
[23:14:27] <@E-J> ports: 2007b
[23:14:35] <+ports> MetalRand, think of it as the difference between owning your own car, and using the city bus.
[23:14:35] <@E-J> or was it a
[23:15:00] < MetalRand> If everyone did the latter, it'd be better on the environment.
[23:15:22] <+ports> E-J, ah. i originally had 7.0 .. found 2007 online.. but i didnt use any of its high end features.. and i didnt like that the install cd was 2.7gb, so i got rid of it... i didnt have any use for the newer features in 2007
[23:15:23] < MetalRand> And, perhaps with less pollutant in the air, you'd end up with less people like me.  :P
[23:15:53]  * DarkAuron just spent the past 3 hours playing warriors orochi
[23:16:10]  * MetalRand applauds DarkAuron's efforts.
[23:17:31] < MetalRand> Maybe I should get a Mac.
[23:17:52] < MetalRand> Mac OS is the only OS that I have got gotten a chance to try out for a while yet.
[23:18:17] < MetalRand> Other than the classic 7.5.3 <=> 9.0.4.
[23:19:19] < Barrett> welp, that's over... angels aren't even going to make the playoffs
[23:19:44] <@E-J> ports: department where i study (http://autsys.tkk.fi/en) uses matlab in many courses, so i think i have used features enough of it and features like simulink and others are better than f.ex. labview (which looks very ugly) have
[23:19:48] < MetalRand> lol, I bet one of the biggest reasons alone why people don't like Linux is 'cause the hardest thing is to choose the best distribution and window manager/desktop.
[23:19:48] < Barrett> 2 up, 2 hits, 1 run
[23:20:02] < MetalRand> Hell, I still can't make up my mind.
[23:20:45] < Spengo> pewpew
[23:21:55] <+Merthsoft> MetalRand: You're rambling, dude
[23:22:13] < Spengo> also
[23:22:21] < Spengo> most people choose something easy like ubuntu
[23:22:24] < Spengo> and gnome or kde
[23:22:33] < DarkAuron> my friend is trying out ubuntu
[23:22:48] < DarkAuron> for no apparent reason
[23:26:22] <@E-J> i have tried various small linuxes, vector is nicest so far
[23:27:00] <@E-J> i mean if you don't have computer that is made in last 4 or 5 years
[23:28:49] <@E-J> worked fine on some 700MHz where i put it at lab
[23:29:01]  * MetalRand sees something on OpenSuse he likes and runs over.'
[23:29:13] < MetalRand> [Slaps himself really hard.]
[23:29:43] < MetalRand> If I knew that OpenSuse had an online thing that searches though all the repositories - even all the third party ones, I would have stuck with OpenSuSE!\
[23:31:26] < Barrett> you are OpenSuse
[23:33:37] < MetalRand> Now if only Debian had something like that.
[23:33:58] < MetalRand> I know they have an online package search thing, but it only searches through the official repos.
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