--- Log opened Sat Mar 22 00:00:59 2008
[00:01:07] < chronomex> kay, I'm done cleaning for today
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[00:01:22] <+BrandonW> Now get to work on USB.
[00:01:38] < chronomex> yes sir
[00:01:41] < chronomex> yessir!
[00:02:09] < chronomex> you know, that takes a lot of the fun out of it
[00:02:16]  * Nikky kisses chronomex 
[00:02:27]  * chronomex huggles Nikky
[00:03:13] <+BrandonW> Holy crap, I just realized something.
[00:03:39] < Nikky> hmm?
[00:03:40] < chronomex> ?
[00:03:57] <+BrandonW> Something big.
[00:04:06] < chronomex> do tell
[00:04:33] < chronomex> .. or not
[00:04:55] <+BrandonW> A calc-side way of receiving an invalid OS on all 83+/84+ series calculators.
[00:05:01] <+BrandonW> A stable one.
[00:05:06] <+BrandonW> No LinkMan or anything.
[00:05:13] <+BrandonW> Don't need to run anything on the calculator.
[00:05:13] < chronomex> :O
[00:05:16] < chronomex> nothing?
[00:05:19] <+BrandonW> All you need is TI Connect.
[00:05:22] <+BrandonW> It would even work with direct USB.
[00:05:29] < chronomex> it works on a virgin calc from the store?/
[00:05:31] <+BrandonW> Or TiLP.
[00:05:32] <+BrandonW> Yes.
[00:05:42] < chronomex> now I'm interested
[00:06:08] < chronomex> justasec, is the key checking done all on-calc?
[00:06:13] <+BrandonW> It's a two-stage loader.
[00:06:18] <+BrandonW> Yes.
[00:06:25] < chronomex> like the 89, ok
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[00:07:57] <+BrandonW> It's so crazy, but it really would work.
[00:08:20] < chronomex> are you going to tell, or what?
[00:08:57] < chronomex> agh, I hate the USB circuit
[00:09:07] < chronomex> you read a word, and it returns the first byte doubled
[00:09:08] <+BrandonW> I just did, it's a two-stage loader...it's possible to send a small OS to any calculator by pulling the battery, even the 84+/SE, and that would be a barebones OS that receives and writes the full OS you intended to send.
[00:09:17] < chronomex> totally screws up cmdpost
[00:09:28] < chronomex> I see
[00:09:40] < chronomex> but doesn't the boot code have provision against that?
[00:09:57] < chronomex> 89 does I think
[00:09:59] <+BrandonW> And with our newfound understanding of USB, we could make it work with direct USB.
[00:10:14] < chronomex> eeee my head asplode
[00:10:19] <+BrandonW> It doesn't matter at all what the boot code wants...it gives control to the small OS loader, and then I can receive and write it myself.
[00:10:38] < chronomex> I don't see how the control is guaranteed to get passed
[00:10:49] < chronomex> 89 apparently has an "os ready" flag or something
[00:11:22] <+BrandonW> The OS checks the word at 0056h to see if it's a valid OS, and it'll only write that if validation succeeds. You can include the word at that address when you write it, though, and then pull a battery. When it boots again, it checks the flag and happily boots it.
[00:11:32] < chronomex> oh neato
[00:11:46] <+BrandonW> On the 84+/SE boot code, it'll check to make sure that flag isn't there yet with every new page received, but since I'm only sending one page (the OS loader), it doesn't matter.
[00:11:57] < chronomex> heh lol
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[00:13:46] <+BrandonW> It's an awful lot of work, though...
[00:14:02] <+BrandonW> I need a really quick way to send the OS over and over to my 84+/SEs.
[00:14:07] <+BrandonW> For testing.
[00:14:29] < chronomex> what's the bottleneck?
[00:14:50] <+BrandonW> There is no PC->calc method of sending an invalid OS to an 84+/SE.
[00:15:03] <+BrandonW> Unless you already had the TI-OS on there and ran a program which received and wrote it, which is what LinkMan does.
[00:15:09] < chronomex> ahaha
[00:15:18] <+BrandonW> But that requires sending the TI-OS, all the LinkMan junk, and then receiving and writing it over I/O every time.
[00:15:27] < chronomex> you need to be able to guarantee that your OS can receive properly
[00:15:39] < chronomex> and that's _hard_
[00:15:43] < chronomex> right?
[00:15:48] <+BrandonW> The loader?
[00:16:20] <+BrandonW> It would be really hard to write the loader.
[00:16:24] < chronomex> right
[00:16:39] < chronomex> but the loader is what would let you test more quickly
[00:16:49] <+BrandonW> Actually, not so much.
[00:16:57] <+BrandonW> Because it's two stages of crap to go through.
[00:17:04] <+BrandonW> And if the second stage screws up, you're back to square one.
[00:17:23] <+BrandonW> But it's the best and most compatible way for all people.
[00:17:32] <+BrandonW> Because most people who have an 84+/SE don't have an I/O graphlink.
[00:17:46] < chronomex> ya
[00:17:58] <+BrandonW> There is no way at all to send an invalid OS to an 84+/SE through direct USB.
[00:18:13] <+BrandonW> Benjamin Moody has a program which may or may not do it, unreleased.
[00:18:21] <+BrandonW> And he's disappeared anyway.
[00:18:42] < chronomex> pity
[00:18:49] <+BrandonW> I could do it, but that's a lot of PC-side USB crap I don't want to deal with.
[00:18:49] < chronomex> can't you contact him?
[00:18:57] <+BrandonW> He has disappeared.
[00:19:00] < chronomex> my middle name is benjamin :)
[00:19:03] < chronomex> I can be moody
[00:19:08] < chronomex> but I haven't the right programs
[00:19:33] <+BrandonW> But since I have an I/O link, I could write a PC program which sends the invalid OS, and that's what I was trying to do.
[00:19:40] <+BrandonW> That can be quick.
[00:20:10] < chronomex> I/O link == blacklink / greylink / etc?
[00:20:17] <+BrandonW> Anything that's not direct USB, yes.
[00:20:25] <+BrandonW> Silverlink is also I/O.
[00:20:35] < chronomex> that's the "etc"
[00:20:36] < chronomex> :)
[00:20:49] <+BrandonW> That's parallel/$4 link/etc.
[00:21:15] <+BrandonW> TiLP II's ticables2 is giving me trouble, though.
[00:21:28] <+BrandonW> So now I'm just sort of sitting here.
[00:21:33] < chronomex> tilp is often badly behaved for me
[00:23:32] <+BrandonW> I have a calc<->calc method of sending an invalid 84+/SE OS.
[00:23:41] <+BrandonW> But no 84+/SE emulator capable of linking.
[00:23:55] <+BrandonW> grr
[00:26:32] < chronomex> it's a bit like when I have every serial cable I could possibly need, except for what I need at any given time
[00:27:25] < chronomex> how is port 5b treated for you?  I see bit 0 being set and cleared at different times; nothing else
[00:27:38] <+BrandonW> That enables and disables USB-related interrupts.
[00:27:43] < chronomex> right
[00:27:47] < chronomex> 1 is enable, yes?
[00:27:49] <+BrandonW> Yes.
[00:28:04] <+BrandonW> The OS has never sent anything but 0 and 1.
[00:28:08] <+BrandonW> And never read from it.
[00:28:12] < chronomex> right, same
[00:28:24] <+BrandonW> You have a comparable port?
[00:28:42] < chronomex> 0x71005b
[00:28:54] <+BrandonW> Seriously?
[00:29:00] < chronomex> srsly
[00:29:01] <+BrandonW> I can't believe they'd have the same mappings...
[00:29:05] < chronomex> *shrug*
[00:29:17] <+BrandonW> Now that's just crazy.
[00:29:28] < chronomex> I have some activity on ports that you don't have
[00:29:31] <+BrandonW> Go look at references to 0x7100A0 if you can.
[00:29:35] < chronomex> but generally it maps properly
[00:29:49] <+BrandonW> There are a lot more ports than what's on that WikiTI page.
[00:29:54] < chronomex> okay
[00:30:11] <+BrandonW> A0 is the control pipe, if you see loops outputting to or reading from that, I'm going to squeal.
[00:30:33] < chronomex> I have 00, 01, 31, 39, 4a, 4b, all of which iirc you don't have mentioned
[00:30:53] <+BrandonW> 31 is a timer port, not USB-explicit.
[00:31:00] <+BrandonW> 39 is some sort of battery or power port.
[00:31:02] <+BrandonW> 4A and 4B might exist.
[00:31:07] <+BrandonW> I'm pretty sure 4B does.
[00:31:12] <+BrandonW> Or maybe that's 4A.
[00:31:15] <+BrandonW> Maybe both!
[00:31:48] < chronomex> I've seen the string "s Instruments Incorporated" cycling through A0 with cmdpost
[00:31:51] < chronomex> does that count?
[00:31:57] <+BrandonW> Yes.
[00:32:00]  * BrandonW squeals
[00:32:06] < chronomex> this is good news, yes?
[00:32:18] <+BrandonW> It means they more than likely mapped the ports exactly the same.
[00:32:23] <+BrandonW> That's...really stupid, but good for us!
[00:32:23] < chronomex> and the device address is the same too
[00:32:27] < chronomex> :D <3
[00:32:27] <+BrandonW> 80?
[00:32:34] < chronomex> yes
[00:32:36] < chronomex> yessir
[00:32:39] <+BrandonW> Holy crap...
[00:32:44] <+BrandonW> You'll have USB going in no time then.
[00:32:47] <+BrandonW> If you can hook into that interrupt.
[00:32:49] < chronomex> 'sackly
[00:32:57] < chronomex> *squee*
[00:33:11] < chronomex> now I need to remember how to use tigcclib too ...
[00:33:20] < chronomex> haven't done C in months, TI in years
[00:33:22] < chronomex> :S
[00:33:46] <+BrandonW> That's why you do 68k assembly.
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[00:33:56] < chronomex> I like C better
[00:33:57] <@Andy_J> i_c-Y: no luck with the raid
[00:34:04] <+BrandonW> So do I, but this is hard-core.
[00:34:05] <@Andy_J> it's completely saying it has no idea wtf is going on
[00:34:08] <+BrandonW> We need power.
[00:34:14] < chronomex> I can do inline ...
[00:34:18] < chronomex> I'm no good with asm anyway
[00:34:18] <+BrandonW> Not the same. :(
[00:34:34] < non-sense> anyone know alot on liquid cooling
[00:34:49] <+BrandonW> I can't believe they're so similar...I mean, I know nothing about C on the 89Ti, and I think even I could do it.
[00:34:52] < chronomex> do you have some source for a program that grabs a USB address and doesn't do much else?
[00:34:53] <+BrandonW> The USBTools of sorts, I mean.
[00:34:58] < chronomex> right
[00:35:11] <+BrandonW> What do you mean by USB address?
[00:35:18] <+BrandonW> Initializes up to the point of receiving the address?
[00:35:23] < chronomex> something like that
[00:35:52] <+BrandonW> If you have the calculator connected to a PC, there's no good source for that. It's all done in the interrupt.
[00:35:56] <+BrandonW> I could send you the hook file for periph8x.
[00:36:06] < chronomex> if you wish
[00:36:07] <+BrandonW> Which intercepts all the various events, replies with descriptors, sets the address, etc.
[00:36:21] < chronomex> that sounds good
[00:36:28] <+BrandonW> If you can follow it.
[00:36:32] <+BrandonW> It's pretty ugly.
[00:36:35] <+BrandonW> The logic, I mean.
[00:36:44] < chronomex> nvm
[00:36:53] < chronomex> I'll figure it out myself; if I need help I'll ask
[00:36:54] <+BrandonW> It's not that bad.
[00:37:06] < chronomex> holy crap, it's almost 6
[00:37:34] <+BrandonW> http://rafb.net/p/ILTBe384.html
[00:38:29] <+BrandonW> Holy crap, I just noticed a bug.
[00:38:34] <+BrandonW> So help me, if that actually fixes some things...
[00:38:50] <@Andy_J> i_c-Y: wait, nevermind, it seems the GUI disk utility is just brain0dead
[00:38:55] <@Andy_J> ... or console is too now
[00:39:05] <@Grue> ??
[00:40:40] <+BrandonW> I don't believe it, this might actually fix something.
[00:40:57] <@Grue> oh noes
[00:41:54] <+BrandonW> It's a pretty low chance, but I'm psyched now.
[00:42:41] < chronomex> what was broken?
[00:43:43] <+BrandonW> Wasn't exiting the hook properly at one point.
[00:43:52] <+BrandonW> And letting the OS have a chance to screw around with it.
[00:44:11] < chronomex> oh cool
[00:44:32] <+BrandonW> I think we've definitely done something here.
[00:44:34]  * BrandonW squeals
[00:44:43] <+BrandonW> God bless you, chronomex.
[00:44:45] < chronomex> where did you hear that AI3 was involved with usb?
[00:44:49] < chronomex> also, why me?
[00:44:54] < chronomex> :)
[00:44:59] <+BrandonW> Read it on a forum, one of Kevin Kofler's posts, which we should take as gospel.
[00:45:12] <+BrandonW> Because if I hadn't pasted that file, I wouldn't have noticed it.
[00:45:19] < chronomex> o ok
[00:45:21] < chronomex> link?
[00:45:26] <+BrandonW> Long gone.
[00:45:36] < chronomex> lame
[00:45:40] < chronomex> what forum?
[00:45:47] <+BrandonW> TIGCC, I guess.
[00:45:49] <+BrandonW> Google for it!
[00:45:51] < chronomex> aye
[00:45:53] <+BrandonW> "Kevin Kofler" AI3 USB
[00:46:30] <+patz2009> BrandonW: The bug you found was involving...?
[00:46:50] <+BrandonW> periph8x.
[00:47:02] <+patz2009> Yeah, but what part of it?
[00:47:28] <@Grue> !qfind ping reply
[00:47:37] <@Grue> !qfind ping
[00:47:41] < chronomex> true true there it is
[00:47:44] <@Grue> :/
[00:47:49] < chronomex> http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:_3mZ45GOsHsJ:forums.futura-sciences.com/attachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D21433%26d%3D1178625303+usb+ai3+kofler&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us
[00:48:03] <+BrandonW> I just told you, I wasn't exiting the hook properly at one point.
[00:48:08] <+BrandonW> When reading pipe data.
[00:48:27] < chronomex> that's just j89hw.txt, updated slightly
[00:48:59] < chronomex> wait, how the hell do I get an autoint address from a rom dump? :X
[00:50:25] < chronomex> sweet, got it
[00:50:35] < chronomex> 0x8228f0
[00:50:52] < chronomex> oops wrong int
[00:50:54] <+BrandonW> It's almost like the good old days again.
[00:50:59] <+BrandonW> People talking about...programming!
[00:51:15] <+BrandonW> Calculator programming.
[00:51:29] < chronomex> hah
[00:51:30] <+patz2009> Huzzah!
[00:51:37] < chronomex> you're a good influence, BrandonW
[00:51:50] <+patz2009> I was beginning what the cp in #tcpa stood for.
[00:52:23] <+patz2009> That sounded much worse than it was originally intended to be.
[00:52:55] < chronomex> cattle-prod, I say
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[00:53:26] <+patz2009> Texas Cattle-Prod Alliance? Makes sense.
[00:54:07]  * aardvarq prods patz2009
[00:54:24] < chronomex> patz2009: yeah, I've been saying that for years
[00:56:22]  * patz2009 highlights Spengo for no apparent reason.
[00:57:24] < i_c-Y> Andy_J: so it didnt raid?
[00:57:40] <@Andy_J> it's not letting me add the second one into the array
[00:58:36] < chronomex> found the motherf---er
[00:59:10] < Barrett> ha! I made the coolest thing for work
[00:59:39] < Barrett> and it even works!
[00:59:41] < aardvarq> Andy_J: what OS?
[00:59:41] <@Andy_J> oh wait
[00:59:55] <@Andy_J> i_c-Y: it seems rebooting after adding it to the mirror made it auto-rebuild
[01:00:02] <@Andy_J> I just couldn't force it to rebuild itself =\
[01:00:09] <@Andy_J> aardvarq: 10.5.
[01:00:19] < aardvarq> Ah. Never done RAID on it.
[01:00:24] < i_c-Y> how do you expect to build it if you just added it?
[01:00:25] < aardvarq> That's not true.
[01:00:27] < aardvarq> Just xserve's.
[01:00:49] <@Andy_J> i_c-Y: well, it made it sound like I could tell it to rebuild onto the new drive right away
[01:00:59] <@Andy_J> it was properly partitioned and formatted on the drive itself
[01:01:03] <@Andy_J> and listed as offline in the raid
[01:01:16] < i_c-Y> youd need to cause the rebuild to occur by taking it offline first, then initiating rebuild which youd do on reboot. 
[01:01:22] <@Andy_J> diskutil rebuildmirror / disk1s3 came back with an obscure error
[01:01:42] < i_c-Y> oh
[01:02:29] < chronomex> BrandonW: do you have anything for port 5A?
[01:02:53] < chronomex> my interrupt reads bit 1
[01:03:02] < i_c-Y> hm
[01:03:22] < i_c-Y> poll: AVR or PIC?
[01:03:25] <@Andy_J> http://tcpa.pastebin.com/m59225426
[01:03:29] <@Andy_J> AVR
[01:04:30] < i_c-Y> hm.
[01:05:12] <+BrandonW> YES! YES! YES!
[01:05:13] <+BrandonW> YES!!!!
[01:05:17] < i_c-Y> oh, what did you do?
[01:05:32] < chronomex> actually it checks against 1
[01:05:32] <+BrandonW> All because of that damn "ret nz"...
[01:05:39] <+BrandonW> People...
[01:05:48] <+BrandonW> I'll tell you in a minute after I'm done running around.
[01:06:19] < chronomex> okay
[01:09:07] < i_c-Y> hm... nobody else is voting in my poll?
[01:09:35] < chronomex> what poll?
[01:09:39] < i_c-Y> AVR or PIC
[01:10:02] < chronomex> I don't know anything
[01:10:12] <@Andy_J> I voted.
[01:10:13] <@Andy_J> AVR.
[01:10:18] < i_c-Y> yeah.
[01:10:29] < i_c-Y> im trying to find a cheap ish AVR programmer
[01:10:30] < chronomex> also port 57 when you have a sec
[01:10:46] < i_c-Y> im kinda leaning toward AVR because it has more sensible ASM, and better C
[01:11:28] <@Andy_J> also apparently when you RAID the boot drive it makes a small partition to actually boot from, to chain into the raid
[01:11:34] <@Andy_J> or that was always there and I never noticed it
[01:11:52] <@Andy_J> That was not always there. I just checked the 10.4 box.
[01:12:04] <@Andy_J> It also explains the RAID being .1 GB smaller
[01:12:17] < i_c-Y> Andy_J: yep. 
[01:12:38] < i_c-Y> thats probably what they mean by you cant actually boot off directly from a OS X raid
[01:13:21] <@Andy_J> thanks for finding that link earlier
[01:13:34] <@Andy_J> I ended up doing it pretty differently but it helped me figure out what to do
[01:13:41] < al_zzzzzz> AVRs are muc much better then PICs
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[01:14:18] < al_b> even if you ignore everything else, AVR has a GCC port. PIC doesn't.
[01:15:07] < al_b> also, spend about 50 dollars, and get a complete programmer/debugger board
[01:15:52] < al_b> http://alpage.ath.cx/debugger.jpg
[01:15:56] < chronomex> BrandonW: how's the dancing coming?
[01:19:24] <+BrandonW> I still don't fully understand it, but holy crap...
[01:20:22] < chronomex> that sounds good
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[01:20:42] <+patz2009> pie are square? wtf?
[01:21:03] < i_c-Y> hm
[01:21:20] < i_c-Y> al_b: im assuming you have the AVR dragon?
[01:21:30] < i_c-Y> np Andy_J 
[01:21:35] < al_b> yes
[01:22:08] < al_b> only debugs chips up to 32kB, but it's still fantastic
[01:23:20] < chronomex> BrandonW: what sources did you find helpful to grok the usb protocol?
[01:23:42] <+BrandonW> usb8x, the OS, and the PDF documentation at usb.org.
[01:23:47] < chronomex> thanks
[01:24:25] < i_c-Y> al_b: it can program larger ones though but not debug them im assuming?
[01:24:26] <+BrandonW> I am so not sleeping tonight.
[01:24:33] < chronomex> hah
[01:24:51] < al_b> yeah
[01:26:07] <+HQAT> I'm not sure if anyone is interested but I've put up a small page showing TACAS solving a pretty complicated differentation... http://www.tha-almighty.com/wis/TACAS/TACAS1.html its in dutch tho :P
[01:26:41] <+HQAT> It shows a screenshot... the results from the calculator and a proposed form of what you could write on a test as an answer...
[01:27:33] <+BrandonW> Awesome.
[01:27:50] <+BrandonW> This channel's back to normal again!
[01:27:58] <+BrandonW> "This house...is clean."
[01:28:14] <+HQAT> Maybe in a few days I'll start on integration... but my exams are getting closer and I should start studying :P
[01:28:40] < chronomex> BrandonW: don't say that, you'll jinx it
[01:31:38] <+patz2009> Unfortunately, I doubt #tcpa will ever be "BASIC-friendly"
[01:32:46] <+BrandonW> Do you feel like you can't talk about BASIC here?
[01:33:16] <+patz2009> I know I can, it's just that many people don't like BASIC.
[01:33:30] <+patz2009> And, I haven't had any ideas for programming lately.
[01:34:24] <+BrandonW> Usually you can't talk about either here.
[01:34:28] < chronomex> BrandonW, do you think it's a bad idea to completely reimplement the USB layer?
[01:34:31] <+patz2009> Though, I have been thinking about messing around with the BASIC interfaces of USB8X
[01:34:41] < chronomex> I don't know if I want to try to figure out how to use the AMS' routines
[01:34:55] <+BrandonW> chronomex, no, re-do the whole thing.
[01:34:57] <+BrandonW> That's what we do.
[01:35:04] < chronomex> okay :D
[01:35:06] <+BrandonW> Don't find some hacky way to use theirs.
[01:35:13] <+BrandonW> Like Kevin Kofler did.
[01:35:19] < chronomex> that's what Kevin does, and we hate him apparently
[01:35:34] <+BrandonW> He's proud that he found a way to do that and doesn't want to do any more.
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[01:36:34] <+chronomex> ugh, do I have to read 150 pages to understand this?
[01:36:57] <+BrandonW> It's a reference, you don't have to read it now.
[01:37:04] <+chronomex> kay
[01:37:27] <+chronomex> I can hook AI3, and completely stop the OS' USB initialization
[01:37:49] <+BrandonW> That's perfect.
[01:37:52] <+chronomex> yes
[01:37:55] <+chronomex> I know
[01:37:56] <+chronomex> I'm pleased
[01:38:14] <+BrandonW> Would that same hook also stop how it receives data?
[01:38:14] <+chronomex> especially because TIGCC has an easy way to do it
[01:38:24] <+chronomex> all USB stems from AI3 I think
[01:38:43] <+chronomex> I'd love to make a call-graph of the AMS and see
[01:38:44] <+BrandonW> Is it taking action based on 55 and 56 at the beginning of the interrupt?
[01:39:03] <+chronomex> 5A, then 55, 56, 57
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[01:39:20] <+chronomex> (what is 5A?)
[01:39:38] <+chronomex> if 5A == 1, it exits immediately
[01:40:21] <+chronomex> Is it HS, FS, or LS?
[01:40:23] <+BrandonW> No idea.
[01:40:24] <+chronomex> I assume LS
[01:40:33] <+BrandonW> What do you mean by HS, FS, and LS?
[01:40:42] <+chronomex> USB high-full-low speed
[01:40:55] <+BrandonW> I'm not sure how that's controlled.
[01:41:06] <+chronomex> what should I say it is, though?
[01:41:11] <+chronomex> if anyone asks
[01:41:14] <+BrandonW> Full speed.
[01:41:19] <+chronomex> or is it all hardware negotiation?
[01:41:22] <+chronomex> ok
[01:41:42] <+DrDnar> Woah, wait, progress!?
[01:41:43] <+BrandonW> I couldn't say.
[01:42:07] <+BrandonW> Possibly, but maybe not.
[01:42:13] <+BrandonW> Certainly 89Ti USB progress.
[01:42:15] <+DrDnar> But. . . this sounds like work?
[01:42:44] <+chronomex> it's fun, DrDnar
[01:42:55] <+BrandonW> chronomex, does the 89Ti claim to work with EasyData temperature probes or any other USB device?
[01:43:11] <+BrandonW> I mean, do they advertise that?
[01:43:13] <+BrandonW> TI.
[01:43:52] <+chronomex> I don't know; let me look
[01:44:22] <+BrandonW> Or do you see any code in there that actually initializes a device?
[01:44:28] <+BrandonW> Instead of being initialized by a PC.
[01:44:35] <+chronomex> no
[01:44:43] <+chronomex> it doesn't claim to work
[01:44:47] <+chronomex> I haven't looked
[01:44:55] <@Andy_J> there has to be code to initialize some sort of device for unit to unit linking
[01:44:59] <@Andy_J> it's just a matter of finding it
[01:45:04] <+chronomex> but IIUC the intercalculator link is host-guest
[01:45:29] <+chronomex> damn I need a linux USB sniffer driver
[01:45:30] <+BrandonW> Good enough.
[01:45:32] < Randomist> I _really_ wish I had a laptop...
[01:45:46] < Randomist> Too many bitchy people down here.
[01:45:51] <+BrandonW> Andy_J, the EasyData device is HID, so example code that uses that would be good.
[01:45:54] <+BrandonW> But I guess we're not that lucky.
[01:46:15] <@Andy_J> Ah.
[01:47:09] <+chronomex> bah, who needs HID anyway
[01:47:16] <+chronomex> ;)
[01:47:19] <+BrandonW> No USB keyboard or mouse without it.
[01:47:44] <+chronomex> I presume they'll work mostly the same
[01:48:02] <+chronomex> and besides, only kerm needs a mouse to use his calculator
[01:48:13] <+chronomex> ;)
[01:49:12] < i_c-Y> BrandonW: the 89 Ti doesnt have any USB devices i think outside of ones made by TI
[01:49:48] <+BrandonW> I don't care who made it, just that it's not another calculator.
[01:50:19] <+patz2009> "If cakes are round, what are pie? Pie are square! (pi r squared)" - I restate, wtf.
[01:50:39] < i_c-Y> actually, you can use CBL2
[01:51:22] <+chronomex> BrandonW: you use GetControlPacket from TIOS?
[01:51:43] <+BrandonW> No, I have another file of lower-level routines, sorry.
[01:51:50] <+BrandonW> It just gets 8 bytes from port A0.
[01:52:11] <+chronomex> k
[01:52:25] <+chronomex> that's it, read 8 bytes in a row? I can do that ... :)
[01:52:25] <+BrandonW> http://rafb.net/p/d3I5zd70.html
[01:52:35] <+BrandonW> Yep.
[01:53:26] <+BrandonW> If you're able to read the "get descriptor" packet, that's EXCELLENT progress.
[01:54:08] <+BrandonW> Are you able to see where the interrupt responds to that packet?
[01:54:17] <+BrandonW> And starts sending "Texas Instruments Incorporated" and all that.
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[02:02:34] <+BrandonW> I see no reason why we can't pound out USBTools for the 89Ti.
[02:02:35] <+chronomex> let me try that again
[02:02:35] <+chronomex> I'm going to dinner
[02:11:22] <+BrandonW> Getting discouraged again.
[02:11:39] <+patz2009> Brandon, Brandon, he's our man!
[02:11:46] <+patz2009> If he can't do it, no one can!
[02:11:57] <+BrandonW> I don't want moral support, I want working code!
[02:12:06] <+patz2009> DO: LOOP
[02:15:05] <+BrandonW> Oh my god...
[02:16:30] <+BrandonW> I thought of something else it could be.
[02:16:36] <+BrandonW> At least I'm getting ideas.
[02:16:42] <+BrandonW> I had nothing at all to go on weeks ago.
[02:18:33] <+BrandonW> I DO NOT BELIEVE IT
[02:18:41] <+BrandonW> This really was it.
[02:18:46] <+BrandonW> I am SUCH AN IDIOT.
[02:18:55] <+BrandonW> Because I was just IGNORING what the UFI spec said.
[02:19:02] <+BrandonW> And my STUPID WINDOWS LOGGER was lying to me.
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[02:20:27] < Randomist> What Intel processor is the VIA C7-D comparable to, speed wise?
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[02:24:40] < Randomist> Isn't it like a Pentium III or somethin'?
[02:26:59] < i_c-Y> in what sense
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[02:27:15] <@efneTI86> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[02:27:42] < Randomist> * as fast as
[02:29:53] <+chronomex> UFI spec?
[02:30:20] < i_c-Y> its really dependent on the purpose, Randomist 
[02:30:31] < i_c-Y> you have a huge L1 and tiny L2 on the C7-D
[02:31:23] < i_c-Y> go on silentpcreview and see if you can find some bench's
[02:31:27] < i_c-Y> or maybe the mini itx sites
[02:34:23] < i_c-Y> i wouldnt put it against a p3 at any rate. especially one of the tulain or coppermine ones
[02:34:32] < i_c-Y> katmai maybe, but meh
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[02:36:23] < i_c-Y> id say maybe an athlon / duron at 800 - 900 MHz would be an overall decent comparison
[02:37:02] < i_c-Y> it really depends on how much cpu taxing you put on
[02:37:06] < Randomist> I still so badly regret screwing up my the other comp...
[02:37:21] < i_c-Y> like it will feel a lot peppier than say the athlon i mentioned under light load
[02:37:40] < i_c-Y> heavy load though its bottlenecked heavily by low L2 among other things
[02:37:43] < i_c-Y> Randomist: do you still have it?
[02:38:06] < Randomist> Yeah, it's still in the closet somewhere.
[02:38:24] < i_c-Y> try to find a cheap socket 478 mobo
[02:38:39] < i_c-Y> someone probalby has a spare one in here
[02:39:24] < i_c-Y> do you have any money?
[02:40:06] < Randomist> Nope, I sure don't.
[02:40:14] < Randomist> I'm out of luck for now.
[02:40:40] < i_c-Y> hm
[02:40:51] < i_c-Y> well if you save up 20 - 30 dollars, you could probably ebay a s478 mobo
[02:40:57] < i_c-Y> or check craigslist
[02:42:36] < i_c-Y> id give you one if i had one, but the only p4 i had was an early celeron in a laptop
[02:44:43] <+BrandonW> Anyone willing to test the 84+/SE peripheral driver for me tonight?
[02:44:52] <+BrandonW> All you need is an 84+ or 84+SE and a direct USB cable.
[02:44:56] <+BrandonW> And a Windows PC, preferably.
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[02:45:14] <+patz2001> BrandonW: I could.
[02:45:37] <+patz2001> Just let me check if I have batteries for it.
[02:46:34] <+BrandonW> How can you people not have batteries in your calculators?
[02:46:38] <+BrandonW> Has it been that long since you used them?
[02:46:44] < i_c-Y> or we just ran out.
[02:46:45] <+BrandonW> Every single one of mine has working batteries.
[02:46:46] < Randomist> I wonder how much I could sell my TI-83+ SE fore...
[02:46:48] <+BrandonW> And I have 19.
[02:47:06] < i_c-Y> Randomist: is that your only calc?
[02:48:03] < Randomist> I have a 83+, but the link port broke.
[02:48:22] < i_c-Y> how is the linkport broken?
[02:48:25] <+patz2001> Holy crap, no AAAs in the house.
[02:48:48]  * DarkAuron uses rechargeable batteries only
[02:48:48] < Randomist> Last link cable tip broke off in the calc, and I broke the port trying to get it out.
[02:49:08] < aardvarq> Trick is to put a dab of glue on a toothpick, then stick that in
[02:49:13] < Randomist> Had to solder the terminals to another link cable to get it working again.
[02:49:26] < Randomist> So, now the 83+ has a tail. :P
[02:50:07] <+BrandonW> YES!!!!!!!!!!
[02:50:09] <+BrandonW> A drive letter in Windows!
[02:50:10] <+BrandonW> It works!
[02:50:12] <+BrandonW> Such a stupid mistake!
[02:50:14] <+BrandonW> But it works now!
[02:50:29] < DarkAuron> hoorah
[02:50:48] < i_c-Y> congrats
[02:50:50] <+chronomex> :D
[02:51:00] < Randomist> As for the 83+ SE, there's nothin' wrong with it.  It's in pretty good condition.
[02:51:12] < DarkAuron> !t Welcome to #tcpa | http://tcpa.calcg.org | Happy Spring! | Worship BrandonW, the USB god.
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[02:53:03]  * patz2001 worships
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[02:54:26] <+BrandonW> People, we will completely eliminate the need for TI Connect with this.
[02:54:31] <+BrandonW> At least if you have an 84+ or 84+SE.
[02:54:40] < Peter_W> All hail!
[02:54:51] <+chronomex> drag-drop here we come
[02:54:56] <+chronomex> I wonder why TI didn't do this
[02:54:58]  * Peter_W eyes the 84+SE with the broken battery cover
[02:54:59] <+chronomex> seriously
[02:55:10] < Peter_W> Do what, make it work like a flash drive?
[02:55:16] <+chronomex> I bet they thought it'd be tooooo hard
[02:55:17] <+chronomex> yeah
[02:55:29] < Peter_W> nifty
[02:56:07] <+BrandonW> It is too hard.
[02:56:11] <+BrandonW> This is going to be clunky when it's done.
[02:56:15] <+chronomex> aye
[02:56:17] <+BrandonW> Emulating a FAT16 filesystem with read/write permissions.
[02:56:19]  * chronomex bows his head
[02:56:19] <+BrandonW> Or FAT12, actually.
[02:56:39] <+chronomex> that sounds painful.  full of crock and wart.
[02:57:08] < Peter_W> you know what's painful..? my cat was just feeling playful..
[02:57:49] <+chronomex> on your lap?
[02:58:10] <+patz2001> I really need a multimeter
[02:58:21] <+chronomex> I have a cat, he's an idiot
[02:59:00] < DarkAuron> my friend's cat is a total slut
[02:59:35] < Peter_W> nah, the cat was running around everywhere
[02:59:44] < Peter_W> ducking for cover, then pouncing
[02:59:47] < Peter_W> so I rushed him
[03:00:03] <+patz2001> <3 BrandonW
[03:00:06] < Peter_W> thankfully I had a thick layer on
[03:00:39] <+patz2001> Claws can be nasty...
[03:00:45] < Peter_W> teeth can be worse
[03:00:49] <+patz2001> ouch
[03:00:56] < Peter_W> both can be deadly :p
[03:01:08] <+patz2001> cat scratch fever! :o
[03:01:13] < Peter_W> again, thank goodness for the sweatshirt
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[03:01:56] <+BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/periph8x.zip Someone please try that.
[03:02:22] <+BrandonW> Run it, select 1) Mass Storage, and go to Disk Management and try to initialize and then format the drive.
[03:02:26] <+DrDnar> Oh?
[03:02:29] <+BrandonW> It'll fail, but you'll probably get a drive letter out of it.
[03:02:32] <+patz2001> BrandonW: I would love to but there's not a single AAA in the house
[03:02:33] <+chronomex> why can't you?
[03:02:47] <+BrandonW> It works for me, but I have a lot of timing hacks in there that might not work for everyone.
[03:02:52] <+BrandonW> So I want to see its effects on someone else.
[03:02:59] <+chronomex> ah
[03:03:08] <+patz2001> Thanks for the thoughts, chronomex.
[03:03:09] <+DrDnar> I'd love to help but I've only got one working drive, and I've had trouble getting the formatting to work.
[03:03:12] <+chronomex> :)
[03:03:19] < Peter_W> It won't delete anything will it?
[03:03:20] <+BrandonW> You don't need a drive.
[03:03:22] <+BrandonW> No.
[03:03:31] <+BrandonW> You just need a direct USB cable and an 84+ or 84+SE.
[03:03:35] <+DrDnar> It WON'T delete anything when it formats?
[03:03:43] <+BrandonW> No, it doesn't do anything.
[03:03:50] <+BrandonW> It might screw with your extra RAM pages.
[03:03:54] < Peter_W> o.O
[03:03:58] < Peter_W> oh, extra
[03:04:00] <+DrDnar> Right then. . . I'll grab my unit.
[03:04:01] <+patz2001> He doesn't have it programmed far enough to do anything LO
[03:04:07] <+patz2001> :P*
[03:04:15] <+BrandonW> That's going to require some real thought.
[03:04:38] < Peter_W> heh, I just grabbed one link cable and got two
[03:04:40] <+BrandonW> OS writing is put off until this is done.
[03:04:44] <+patz2001> But, at least now Windows recognizes it, right?
[03:04:48] <+BrandonW> Yes.
[03:04:54] <+patz2001> Progress :)
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[03:05:11] <+BrandonW> Linux should, too, but I know the quirks are just right on XP that you'll get to a drive letter.
[03:05:19] < Peter_W> Page not found..
[03:05:19] <+BrandonW> Still a long way away.
[03:05:26] <+BrandonW> Whoops, sorry.
[03:05:38] <+BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/crap/periph8x.zip
[03:06:39] <+DrDnar> Still need my help?
[03:06:44] <+BrandonW> Yes.
[03:06:50] < Peter_W> I'm transferring it
[03:06:52] <+BrandonW> The more, the better.
[03:07:04] <+DrDnar> Do I need any special cable, or will any do?
[03:07:16] <+DrDnar> (That is, A or B)
[03:07:17] <+patz2009> The DirectUSB cable
[03:07:19] < Peter_W> annnd TI Connect is being evil
[03:07:32] <+DrDnar> Will any do?
[03:07:34] < Peter_W> nevermind, that'll be the rechargeable batteries
[03:07:38] <+patz2009> from PC to calc (B end)
[03:07:39] <+BrandonW> Any direct USB cable.
[03:07:45] <+BrandonW> Whatever you use to transfer from your PC.
[03:07:49] <+BrandonW> A<->mini-B.
[03:07:57] <+BrandonW> Digital camera cable, whatever.
[03:08:32] <+patz2009> Someone stole the one that came with my calculator, so I use one that came with an old MP3 player.
[03:08:48] < Peter_W> Calcs are so much lighter without batteries :]
[03:08:57] < Peter_W> too bad they're practically useless in that state
[03:09:13] < i_c-Y> i want a replacement battery cover for my TI-89 TITANIUM
[03:09:14] <+patz2009> Peter_W: You don't have to tell me... :(
[03:09:23] < Peter_W> Oh great
[03:09:24] <+patz2009> !seen Ox40
[03:09:27] <@efneTI86> Ox40 (~a@75-128-199-62.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) was last seen parting #tcpa 24 days, 23 hours ago stating "{}".
[03:09:33] < i_c-Y> make a circuit to power your calc over usb
[03:09:35] < i_c-Y> :o
[03:09:39] < Peter_W> My non-rechargeables are dead -- grabbed from the '86
[03:09:45]  * Peter_W hunts down the 83+SE
[03:10:24] < Peter_W> I do rather wish I had a variable power supply
[03:10:28] <+patz2009> !qfind Ox1F18
[03:10:30] <@efneTI86> 1102:Peter_W: <Ox1F18> You know, this could be a fun game... | <Ox1F18> Guess the meaning of BrandonW's nick! | <Ox1F18> It'll attract visitors. | <patz2009> Like a freak show? | <Ox1F18> Exactly. | <Michael_V> no, like Disneyland for intellectuals | <Michael_V> Mickey Mouse runs up to you and shouts "The factorization of 9,161, quickly!" | * Michael_V waits for someone to answer Mickey Mouse
[03:10:35] <@efneTI86> 1104:Peter_W: [...following countless guesses by Netham...] <Ox1F18> WHY MUST YOU DRIVE ME NUTS ABOUT THIS?! | <Netham45> I'm driving you nuts? | [...] <Ox1F18> And what does the beginning of E8 touch? | <Ox1F18> THE END OF 1F18!!!!!!!!!!! | <Ox1F18> NOT THE BEGINNING!! | <Ox1F18> YOU SAVAGE!!! | [...Netham makes a few more guesses, then...] <Netham45> the fields? | <Ox1F18> THE FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIELDS!!!!!!!!! | * Ox1F18 is now known as BrandonW
[03:10:40] <@efneTI86> (All of 2 matches)
[03:11:03] <+patz2009> Hooray for mental instability.
[03:11:18] < aardvarq> bhaahhahaha
[03:11:25] < aardvarq> I am hillarious.
[03:11:46] <+patz2009> aardy: Prove ot.
[03:11:46] < aardvarq> One of my wireless routers has been broken for like 6 months. And I couldn't figure out why!
[03:11:48] <+patz2009> it*
[03:12:01] < aardvarq> The PCMCIA card was in the slot upside-down.
[03:12:09] <+patz2009> O_o
[03:12:25] <+chronomex> I didn't know it would fit that way
[03:12:27] <+chronomex> but that's awesome
[03:12:37] < i_c-Y> ..
[03:12:42] < aardvarq> Yeah, and the light comes on, and it shows up correctly on lspci!!!
[03:12:45] < Peter_W> Finally.. found.. some
[03:13:10] < aardvarq> And, the worst thing of all. I discovered the error, not by noticing, but by googling the dmesg errors.
[03:13:20] <+patz2009> lolwtf
[03:13:25] < aardvarq> "that means you put the card in upside-down, retard"
[03:13:36] < aardvarq> I didn't even know it fit that way!$@*
[03:14:12] <+DrDnar> Please wait | Starting transfer. . .
[03:14:22] < Peter_W> Found new hardware
[03:14:24] <+patz2009> We've got ourself a smart chanop.
[03:14:29] < Peter_W> Despite it having been plugged in :P
[03:14:54] < Peter_W> No drives appearing
[03:14:58] < aardvarq> Well. At least one of the four things on my todo-list turned out to be super-easy.
[03:15:08] < Peter_W> BrandonW: The calc screen appears corrupted
[03:15:25] <+BrandonW> It's not, just my debugging junk.
[03:15:28] < Peter_W> k
[03:15:48] < Peter_W> still, nothing other than a hardware detect
[03:16:03] <+DrDnar> Garbage Collecting!? dammit
[03:16:08] < Peter_W> lol
[03:16:10] <+BrandonW> Yeah, like I said, go to Disk Management, initialize it, and try to format it as FAT, 512 byte clusters.
[03:16:22] < Peter_W> ah k
[03:16:25] <+DrDnar> YOU'RE the garhage that needs to be collected!
[03:16:42] <+DrDnar> (spoken to TIOS)
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[03:17:46]  * patz2009 watches as DrDnar's TI-84+ is hauled off by sanitation engineers.
[03:17:59] <+BrandonW> The format will fail, but you'll still end up with a drive letter.
[03:18:02] < i_c-Y> they're GARBAGE MEN not SANITATION ENGINEERS
[03:18:18]  * Peter_W gets a targeting lock on BrandonW's location
[03:18:42] < i_c-Y> omgnoooooo theres a scratch on my 89 case
[03:18:43] <+DrDnar> Okay, do what now BrandonW?
[03:18:55] < Peter_W> Run the app
[03:18:55] <+chronomex> agh where the FUCK did I install tigcc ?
[03:18:59] <+BrandonW> Plug it in, run PERIPH8X from the APPS menu, press a key, press 1) Mass Storage.
[03:19:12] <+BrandonW> Wait for the computer to stop freaking on the new hardware, if it does.
[03:19:24] <+BrandonW> Right-click My Computer, click Manage, then click Disk Management.
[03:19:35] <+BrandonW> You'll see a 2MB drive there...right-click it and choose Initialize and go through the wizard.
[03:19:47] <+BrandonW> Then right-click the empty space on the 2MB drive and choose to format it.
[03:19:53] < aardvarq> what's the top speed of b?
[03:19:53] <+BrandonW> Choose FAT, 512 byte clusters.
[03:19:57] < aardvarq> .11b
[03:20:00] <+BrandonW> The format will fail, but you'll end up with a drive letter.
[03:20:03] < Peter_W> New Partition you mean, BrandonW?
[03:20:06] <+BrandonW> Yes, sorry.
[03:20:09] < Peter_W> hehe
[03:20:16] <+patz2009> aardvarq: 11mbps
[03:20:20] <+BrandonW> Max size 2MB.
[03:20:30] <+DrDnar> Initialize and Convert Disk Wizard?
[03:20:33] <+BrandonW> Yes.
[03:21:03] <+DrDnar> I just clicked 'NExt' twice
[03:21:08] <+BrandonW> If there are timing issues still, then that'll just hang with an hourglass cursor.
[03:21:10] < DarkAuron> /run H:\windows\
[03:21:12] < DarkAuron> oops
[03:21:21] <+BrandonW> Keep clicking Next until the wizard goes away.
[03:21:38] < Peter_W> ah, hourglass still
[03:21:48] <+DrDnar> and I got this: 1A [CR] 00 [CR] [CR] 010000000000 [CR] [CR] 020D    74
[03:21:48] <+BrandonW> :(
[03:21:58] <+BrandonW> Yeah, all normal.
[03:22:05] <+BrandonW> Did it hang on trying to initialize it?
[03:22:18] <+DrDnar> I hit clear and now my compy thinks its gone.
[03:22:21] < Peter_W> No, new partition
[03:22:22] <+DrDnar> No, no hanging.
[03:22:30] < Peter_W> Initialize was fine
[03:22:32] <+BrandonW> Clear exits.
[03:22:42] < Peter_W> I/O operation was not completed, nice error :)
[03:22:54] <+BrandonW> Do you have a drive letter?
[03:23:10] <+DrDnar> I'm doing it agin. . . 
[03:23:14] < Peter_W> No
[03:23:23] <+BrandonW> I don't think I gave it the chance to error out.
[03:23:26] <+BrandonW> You might try it again with that.
[03:23:32] <+BrandonW> Yank the cable or press clear to kill it and start over.
[03:23:36] <+DrDnar> This time I'm using Disk Management to make a new partition.
[03:24:17] <+DrDnar> Disk Management still says it's formatting the disk, but I do have a drive letter.
[03:24:22] <+BrandonW> Peter_W, when you were creating that partition, did that debug stuff onscreen go crazy?
[03:24:41] <+DrDnar> I got 2F, 00, 080000000100  100D   EE
[03:25:04] <+BrandonW> It's working.
[03:25:05] <+DrDnar> I hit clear and it complains that the format failed.
[03:25:11] <+BrandonW> Yeah, it's normal for now.
[03:25:18] <+BrandonW> What I was hoping would work does.
[03:25:19] < Peter_W> There was some fluctuation, yes
[03:25:23] <+BrandonW> Thank you both.
[03:25:40] < Peter_W> Hmm, "Generic Host Process for Win32 Services has encountered a problem..." problems, indeed
[03:25:50] <+BrandonW> Got that, too. :)
[03:25:58] <+DrDnar> lol, nice job BrandonW!
[03:27:28] <+BrandonW> Now it's time for a major code cleanup.
[03:27:33] <+BrandonW> Removing all this debugging crap littered all over.
[03:28:09] <+BrandonW> And coming up with a plan to make this FAT12 bridge work.
[03:28:25] <+chronomex> sweet, I'm going to get cables tomorrow
[03:28:31] < i_c-Y> cool.
[03:28:50] < i_c-Y> and ... tigcc just crashed. go tigcc.
[03:28:57] <+chronomex> :D
[03:29:27] <+chronomex> why does the debian package asterisk-sounds-main have a security update?!?
[03:29:34] <+chronomex> it's just a bunch of sound files!
[03:30:18] <+chronomex> should I spend $15 for a bluetooth adapter?
[03:30:37] < i_c-Y> which one?
[03:30:46] <+BrandonW> Have at it.
[03:30:49] <+BrandonW> Make the 89Ti work with it.
[03:31:10] <+chronomex> i_c-Y: from woot
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[03:31:40] < i_c-Y> looks cool.
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[03:33:29] < Peter_W> So, err...
[03:33:45] < Peter_W> Did either of my last lines reach anyone?
[03:34:00] <+BrandonW> Probably not.
[03:34:13] < aardvarq> something about host process encountering problems
[03:34:25] < aardvarq> I wasn't actually listening though.
[03:34:39] < Peter_W> [23:32:21] <Peter_W> Hmm, "Generic Host Process for Win32 Services has encountered a problem..." problems, indeed   [23:32:35] <Peter_W> and there goes "Microsoft Management Console"    [23:33:13] * Disconnected
[03:34:47] <+BrandonW> We didn't get the last one.
[03:34:57] < i_c-Y> <Peter_W> Hmm, "Generic Host Process for Win32 Services has encountered a problem..." problems, indeed
[03:35:05] < i_c-Y> that was the end of it!
[03:35:11] < Peter_W> Probably because I confirmed the dialog box on the first one
[03:35:14] <+BrandonW> Did I kill your connection?
[03:35:23] < Peter_W> It would seem so :P
[03:35:36] <+BrandonW> Oops.
[03:35:39] < Peter_W> And it wouldn't let me reconnect, despite the dialog popping up repeatedly
[03:35:54] < Peter_W> My calculator crashed my computer! Oh how the puny have risen!
[03:35:55] <+BrandonW> I bought that Bluetooth adapter.
[03:35:59] < i_c-Y> cool.
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[03:37:53] < Peter_W> Typing on the cAlc...    FUN
[03:37:58] < Peter_W> oops, heh
[03:40:30] < Peter_W> BrandonW: Does the flashapp report the 2 MB itself?
[03:40:39] <+BrandonW> Yes, it can report whatever it wants.
[03:41:08] < Peter_W> Hm.. it doesn't seem to mind having a partition -- no hourglass this time
[03:41:17] < Peter_W> yet, it's not letting me do anything
[03:43:05] < Peter_W> Nevermind, same as before, just no fatal errors yet
[03:43:28] < Peter_W> AGH! MMC again
[03:43:31] <+BrandonW> You won't be able to mess with the partition at all when it's done.
[03:43:44] < Peter_W> Yeah, it never finished
[03:44:17] < Peter_W> And the MMC window appeared again.. *clicks close and hopes a reboot won't be needed _again_*
[03:44:42] < Peter_W> whew, [Peter_W PING reply]: 1sec
[03:46:05] <+BrandonW> I close the window whenever I know it's not going to work.
[03:46:47] < Peter_W> I did
[03:47:01] <+BrandonW> I'm still amazed it actually works.
[03:47:40]  * Peter_W is amazed by how neatly his internet connectivity was clobbered
[03:49:36] < Peter_W> Hm, I either have 5 minutes do do this lab, or 172805 minutes
[03:53:53] <+chronomex> how about now?
[03:54:10] < Peter_W> Unknown, something broke
[03:55:00] <+chronomex> lame?
[03:55:10] < Peter_W> 24th
[03:56:54] <+bsparks> hiii
[03:57:45] <+chronomex> hi bsparks
[03:58:16] < Peter_W> hi ih ix iy
[03:58:48] < Peter_W> That's a good way to confuse [certain] people, if you say it out loud ^^
[04:00:12] <+chronomex> lololol
[04:00:21] <+chronomex> or write it in the wrong place
[04:00:51] < Peter_W> erm?
[04:02:25] <+chronomex> they look like registers to me
[04:02:37] < Peter_W> yeah
[04:03:13] < Peter_W> it sounded like you were saying something rather tangential
[04:03:19] <+chronomex> not really
[04:06:43] <+BrandonW> ixh ixl iyh iyl
[04:09:22] < Peter_W> hehe
[04:11:43] < Spengo\__> hah, steam bought all the unreal/UT games
[04:11:51] < Nikky> Steam did?
[04:12:00] < Spengo\__> well they are selling them anyways
[04:12:06] < DarkAuron> steam sells everything
[04:12:22] < Spengo\__> check out the "about" section of unreal though
[04:12:35] < Nikky> You must mean valve purchased them. :)
[04:13:02] < Spengo\__> Over 47 eye-popping single player missions. 
[04:13:02] < Spengo\__> Special graphical and performance enhancements for the latest 3D cards. 
[04:13:05] < Spengo\__> hehe
[04:13:16]  * DarkAuron has the original unreal disc
[04:13:22] < Spengo\__> it looks like they copied down what comes on the back of the box
[04:13:51] < Nikky> I've never played any UT/Unreal game.
[04:13:53] < Spengo\__> the system requirements nowadays are "if you can run windows 2000, you can run this game"
[04:16:43] <+chronomex> bah, my kernel is fucked
[04:16:57] <+chronomex> partial module rebuilds can be a bad thing
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[04:18:13] <@efneTI86> [Tyler2] I speak fluent dialup.
[04:18:22] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Tyler2] by etaonrish
[04:18:41] < Peter_W> Whaddya get for a connection speed, Tyler2?
[04:19:13] < Nikky> 14.4k
[04:19:16] <+Tyler2> Maybe 49.2Kb/s if the connection doesn't drop
[04:19:27] < Nikky> Hey chronomex, I heard that your kernel is fucked.
[04:19:31] < Nikky> Sorry to hear that. :(
[04:19:45] < Nikky> I'll rebuild your kernel anyday. ;)
[04:19:53] < Peter_W> Gr, 46.6 here :P
[04:20:20] < Peter_W> There.. that lab was ridiculously easy
[04:20:35] < Nikky> *licks*
[04:21:18] <+chronomex> Nikky: it's all right now, for some reason my calc wasn't showing up
[04:21:26] < Nikky> The horror!
[04:21:33] <+chronomex> but I removed the USB subsystem and reloaded it, it's back
[04:23:01] < Nikky> Yay. :)
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[04:24:32] <+BrandonW> I have comments like "*** HACK: I don't remember why I did this".
[04:24:53] < Peter_W> Sounds like an adventure..
[04:25:03] < Peter_W> Some new mystery at every turn
[04:25:24] < DarkAuron> haha
[04:25:41] <+chronomex> that's always fun
[04:25:41] <+chronomex> 4ah, ntvm, it's goine
aah, nvm, it's gone
[04:26:04] < Nikky> How were finals chrono?
[04:26:19] < Nikky> Did you throw down?
[04:26:19] < DarkAuron> ..wow I'm tired
[04:26:34] < Nikky> You should sleep then. :)
[04:26:35] < DarkAuron> I intrepreted nikky's message as "How was the final boss in chrono trigger?"
[04:26:49] <+chronomex> they're done, Nikky
[04:27:01] < Peter_W> hence the past tense? :P
[04:27:03] < Nikky> So not very well
[04:27:22] < Peter_W> unlink(Nikky)
[04:29:37] < Barrett> shred Peter_W
[04:29:39] < Nikky> BrandonW: SO what exactly is vera?
[04:29:52] < Nikky> Is it important enough for that kid to be posting identical posts everywhere?
[04:30:12] <+BrandonW> A third-party OS started a long time ago by people...never made it past planning, as far as I know. It was abandoned a long time ago. Netham and others tried to revive it, if that tells you anything.
[04:30:22] < Nikky> You're kidding
[04:30:28] < Nikky> It's bound to fail.
[04:31:00] <+BrandonW> You can't say "oh, let's make an OS" and not know assembly, and not have anyone working with you that knows anything about OS internals.
[04:31:04] <+BrandonW> That's kind of a prerequisite.
[04:31:12] <+Merthsoft> why is the topic telling me to worship BrandonW, what did he do this time?
[04:31:23] <+BrandonW> I got the mass storage driver working.
[04:31:28] <+BrandonW> Drive letter in Windows.
[04:31:28] <+Merthsoft> oh sweet
[04:31:49] < Barrett> BrandonW, can I ask you a question?
[04:32:00] < Barrett> What's your favorite drive letter?
[04:32:07] <+BrandonW> C, of course!
[04:32:15] <+BrandonW> My calculator was I.
[04:32:40] < Barrett> mine is A
[04:33:19] < Barrett> I need to figure out how to auto-assign 'A' when it is available
[04:33:24] < Barrett> floppies aren't coming back any time soon
[04:33:33] < Barrett> and why was B never used?
[04:33:36] < Barrett> or at least never popular
[04:33:37] <+BrandonW> Auto-assign it to what?
[04:33:40] <+BrandonW> B was used.
[04:33:42] <+chronomex> B is the second floppy
[04:33:44] < Barrett> whatever gets plugged in
[04:33:52] <+chronomex> you can only have 2 floppies
[04:33:53] <+BrandonW> I'm not sure you can do that.
[04:33:58] <+BrandonW> But if you can, make it the calculator.
[04:33:59] <+chronomex> yes you can
[04:34:01] <+chronomex> o 
[04:34:02] <+Tyler2> I seen B be auto assigned to Zip Drives a few years back
[04:34:02] <+BrandonW> Because it'll be FAT12.
[04:34:10]  * chronomex goes being silent
[04:34:33] < Barrett> do the drive letters and filesystems care about each other?
[04:36:12] < Barrett> what's your favorite planet?
[04:36:16] <+BrandonW> What do you mean?
[04:36:18] <+BrandonW> Pluto.
[04:36:18] <+Merthsoft> pluto
[04:36:22] < Barrett> mine's the sun
[04:36:29] <+chronomex> that's not a planet
[04:36:32] <+BrandonW> Now I know you're not that dumb.
[04:36:34] <+BrandonW> I call troll.
[04:36:38] <+chronomex> it didn't even used to be
[04:36:48] < Barrett> it's a simple question, doctor...
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[04:36:55] < Barrett> would you eat the moon.... if it were made of ribs
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[04:37:37] <@efneTI86> [Spengolap] If at first you don't succeed, you fail.
[04:37:49] < Barrett> please don't tell me you haven't seen that one
[04:38:32] < Barrett> Will Ferrell and the guy from Jurassic Park
[04:39:03] <+BrandonW> Yes, I have seen Will Ferrell and a guy from Jurassic Park.
[04:39:40] < Barrett> the SNL sketch... Ferrell is Harry Caray
[04:40:36]  * Nikky licks Barrett 
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[04:40:53] <+BrandonW> Oh, yeah.
[04:41:02] <+BrandonW> Would you like a hot dog?
[04:41:51] < Hunterkll> Nah
[04:42:17] < Hunterkll> What's with the topic? Did you release something else fancy?
[04:42:47]  * Peter_W pokes his smoking calculator
[04:43:17] <+Merthsoft> !t Welcome to #tcpa | http://tcpa.calcg.org | Happy Spring! | Worship BrandonW, the USB god, he has gotten the USB mass storage calculator to work.
[04:43:18] -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to #tcpa | http://tcpa.calcg.org | Happy Spring! | Worship BrandonW, the USB god, he has gotten the USB mass storage calculator to work.
[04:43:58] < Peter_W> #Define TI-84* USB_MASS_STORAGE
[04:44:16] <+Tyler2> Hmm, increase in ROM size?
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[04:46:02] <+BrandonW> What do you mean, Tyler2?
[04:46:28] -!- Spengolap is now known as Spengo\__
[04:47:22] <+Tyler2> Well, hasn't USB Mass Storage been implemented for a while?
[04:47:33] <+BrandonW> Well, yes. That's not what this is.
[04:47:42] <+BrandonW> This is hooking your calculator up to your computer and it shows up as a mass storage device.
[04:47:46] <+BrandonW> So you can drag 8x* files back and forth.
[04:47:53] <+BrandonW> Eliminating the need for TI Connect or any linking software.
[04:48:01] <+Tyler2> Ah, what are you using for a framework?
[04:48:07] <+BrandonW> What do you mean by that?
[04:48:29] <+Tyler2> Are you using libticables2 or something to connect with the calculator?
[04:48:33] <+BrandonW> No...
[04:48:38] <+BrandonW> It shows up as a mass storage device.
[04:48:40] <+BrandonW> A standard USB device.
[04:48:43] <+BrandonW> Like an external hard drive.
[04:48:46] <+BrandonW> No driver or software required.
[04:48:48] <+Tyler2> Ah
[04:48:50] <+BrandonW> Works on any computer.
[04:48:53] <+Tyler2> Interesting
[04:49:09] <+BrandonW> All you need is the direct USB cable that the calculator already comes with.
[04:49:17] <+BrandonW> And the Flash application installed.
[04:49:29] <+chronomex> argh directlink isn't WORKING
[04:49:53] <+chronomex> and my serial cable is made of fail and AIDS
[04:50:04] <+chronomex> BrandonW, you better get on mailing that cable
[04:50:10] <+chronomex> else you'll be delaying me!
[04:50:11] <+BrandonW> Today.
[04:50:21] <+chronomex> :))
[04:51:20] <+Tyler2> Well, I'm going for a nap as this nVidia forceware has rendered my connection useless for the next one and half
[04:51:23] <+Tyler2> hours
[04:55:07] < Peter_W> At least now I can go to school and download stuff fast to a flash drive
[04:55:58] < Peter_W> Doing that at my old high school would have caused ... issues
[04:56:17] <+chronomex> agh how do I get tilp2 to use /dev/ttyUSB0 ?
[04:56:33] < Peter_W> magic?
[04:56:47] <+BrandonW> Magic is the only way it could work.
[04:56:49] <+BrandonW> 89Ti USB sucks.
[04:56:55] <+BrandonW> With TiLP.
[04:57:04] <+chronomex> BrandonW: I've got a serial converter on a USB support
[04:57:09] <+chronomex> on a usb port
[04:57:16] <+chronomex> it shows up as a specially named COM port
[04:57:23] <+chronomex> I want to make tilp use THAT
[04:57:25] <+BrandonW> And you're using that with what cable?
[04:57:28] <+chronomex> it's a blacklink
[04:57:32] <+BrandonW> Won't work.
[04:57:41] <+BrandonW> The blacklink doesn't follow any standard.
[04:57:46] <+BrandonW> USB<->serial converters don't work.
[04:57:49] <+chronomex> I've used it successfully before, you're as bad as Kofler
[04:57:55] <+BrandonW> Someone told me that, too!
[04:58:01] <+BrandonW> I could've sworn I used it on my laptop.
[04:58:07] <+BrandonW> Then Michael_V told me it wouldn't work.
[04:58:15] <+chronomex> pl2303 converter works for me
[04:58:25] <+chronomex> just crank up the delay
[04:58:31] <+chronomex> like 20us or more
[04:58:36] <+BrandonW> Kill Michael when he comes here.
[04:58:52] <+chronomex> ok
[04:58:54] <+BrandonW> I'm deeply hurt you called me as bad as Kofler. :(
[04:59:02] <+chronomex> Defeatist.
[04:59:31] <+BrandonW> I'm such a moron...
[04:59:35] <+chronomex> fucking hell
[04:59:43] <+BrandonW> I made changes to the application and thought I broke it, but I just didn't have the USB cable plugged in.
[05:00:03] <+chronomex> lolol
[05:00:06]  * chronomex hugs BrandonW
[05:00:18] <+chronomex> it's all right
[05:00:18]  * Peter_W loads the Cookie Cannon
[05:00:31] <+BrandonW> I really am hurt, you know.
[05:00:33] <+chronomex> not as bad as having your PCMCIA card in upside down for SIX MONTHS
[05:00:45] <+chronomex> ;)
[05:00:47] < Peter_W> ah yes,
[05:04:05] < Peter_W> !qadd <aardvarq> bhaahhahaha <aardvarq> I am hillarious. | <patz2009> aardy: Prove [i]t. | <aardvarq> One of my wireless routers has been broken for like 6 months. And I couldn't figure out why! | <aardvarq> The PCMCIA card was in the slot upside-down. <aardvarq> And, the worst thing of all. I discovered the error, not by noticing, but by googling the dmesg errors.
[05:04:47] <+chronomex> !qfind kofler
[05:04:48] <@efneTI86> No matches
[05:04:53] <+chronomex> !qfind kevin
[05:04:54] <@efneTI86> 813:smart: <MikeKnoop> KevinJB's blowjobs are worth more than $5 <MikeKnoop> I can attest
[05:04:56] <@efneTI86> 730:aardvarq: <KevinJB> I was about to say "Well shoot I'd screw smart_ for a hotpocket" but then I remembered this is the internet and I can't just deny I said it later.
[05:04:59] <@efneTI86> 413:DarkAuron: <Kevin_O> now both http://groups.google.com and http://gmail.google.com are down <DarkAuron> did google have a fire on christmas? :X <Michael_V> DarkAuron: Perhaps they had Google Christmas Tree but they left it in beta too long and it caught fire <JMan> Michael_V - or maybe that fire animation on the gmail homepage took it down. :-)
[05:04:59] <+chronomex> not THAT kevin
[05:05:03] <@efneTI86> (Plus 31 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=kevin&channel=tcpa&search=search)
[05:06:22] < Spengo\__> ¯\(º_o)/¯
[05:06:31] < Peter_W> ¯Â/)o_ºÂ(\¯Â
[05:06:32] < Peter_W> ?
[05:06:37] <+Merthsoft> ¯\(°_O)/¯
[05:06:52] < Spengo\__> I like my eye better
[05:06:54] < Peter_W> ñ?ïù¦öV35{ïî
[05:07:07] < Spengo\__> what is Peter_W doing?
[05:07:14]  * chronomex shrugs
[05:07:18] < Peter_W> what is Spengo doing?
[05:07:24] < Peter_W> Oh, wait. :)
[05:07:28] < Spengo\__> mine was a relevant smiley...
[05:07:36] < Spengo\__> then all of a sudden everyone starts spazzing out
[05:07:41] < Peter_W> hehe
[05:08:32] <+BrandonW> "in a,(0A0h) ;this is probably 01, don't really care either way"
[05:10:10] <+BrandonW> At least I'm not putting poetry in there like Michael does.
[05:12:05] < Peter_W> o.O
[05:12:21] < Peter_W> I hadn't heard, nor do I necessarily want/need to know
[05:12:57] <+BrandonW> Yay, PC hex editors can now see the drive.
[05:13:45] < Barrett> Nikky: what did you do wrong? why are you stupid?
[05:13:52] <+BrandonW> Returns total garbage, but that's cool.
[05:15:22] < Peter_W> Blast it all, that code is on the school network, not the flash drive
[05:15:25] < Peter_W> Oh well..
[05:15:30] <+BrandonW> What code?
[05:15:58] < Peter_W> Just a little prime finder program.. I wanted to have some fun, but without having to rewrite it
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[05:26:40] < al_b> what's wrong with Kevin Kofler?
[05:26:55] <+BrandonW> He's rude and hates us all.
[05:26:57] <+BrandonW> So we hate him back.
[05:27:08] < Peter_W> Break a mirror, and..
[05:27:13] <+chronomex> and what?
[05:27:23] < Peter_W> and you get a bunch of reflective shards?
[05:27:51] <+BrandonW> Peter_W, what OS version did you try that application on?
[05:28:05] < Peter_W> 2.30
[05:28:14] <+BrandonW> I'm quite surprised it didnt' crash. :)
[05:28:20] < Peter_W> lol
[05:28:34] < Peter_W> I've never updated the '84
[05:28:41] < al_b> oh
[05:30:52] <+bsparks> I wonder how hard it would be to code in Java for phones
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[05:32:09] < Peter_W> BrandonW: What's so different about the OS versions? I know they've changed stuff, but--
[05:32:34] <+BrandonW> One of my routines was using a hard-coded routine at 0382h...if it had changed between your version and mine (2.41) and called it on yours, that would be bad.
[05:33:00] < Peter_W> hehe..
[05:33:20] <+BrandonW> Which was kind of stupid because that's a BCALL.
[05:33:38] < aardvarq> Crap. Good thing I brought efneTI85 back. The #calcgames botnet was almost bigger than ours.
[05:33:57] < Peter_W> Botnet comparisons? >.>
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[05:34:37] <+chronomex> how does that matter anyway?
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[05:46:39] < Peter_W> It's interesting how many extra channels the bots are in
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[05:50:22] < Spengo\__> yeah seriously
[05:50:41] < Spengo\__> anything with #*ti* pretty much
[05:51:01] < Spengo\__> ...and #freespeech for some strange reason
[05:52:16] < Spengo\__> heh
[05:52:22] < Spengo\__> most of these channels are completely empty
[05:52:33] < Spengo\__> other than the bots
[05:53:03] <+chronomex> argh I HATE TILP
[05:53:18] < aardvarq> Spengo: way off
[05:53:27] < Spengo\__> aardvarq, what is it then?
[05:53:28] < aardvarq> !qfind freespeech
[05:53:30] <@efneTI86> No matches
[05:53:35] < aardvarq> d'oh
[05:53:43] < Spengo\__> oen of these things is not like the others...
[05:53:56] < aardvarq> there's a few non-calc chans
[05:55:21] < Spengo\__> what for?
[05:55:37] < Spengo\__> and why keep all the empty calc channels?
[05:55:53] <+chronomex> why not?
[05:56:08] < Spengo\__> for the lulz then?
[05:56:54] < Spengo\__> intresting
[05:56:59] < aardvarq> The non-calc chans are for purposes not related to calculators.
[05:57:12] < aardvarq> Run by various people who asked me for the use of the bots.
[05:57:17] < Spengo\__> but there's nobody *in* them
[05:57:22] < Spengo\__> the channels are deserted
[06:00:02] < aardvarq> I can find counterexamples.
[06:00:06] < aardvarq> #news-wire has people in it
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[06:03:40] < aardvarq> And just because a channel isn't currently active, or hasn't been active since the 90's, doesn't mean it won't ever be active again!
[06:03:56] < Spengo\__> haha
[06:04:15] < aardvarq> #ti is a pretty good example
[06:04:18] < Nikky> We like to squad channels.
[06:04:21] < Nikky> squat
[06:04:29] < aardvarq> and what happened to #ti is a good example of what we're trying to prevent :)
[06:04:35] <+chronomex> we're a squad squad
[06:04:38] <+chronomex> fuck
[06:04:40] <+chronomex> squat squad
[06:04:41] < Nikky> Shut up chronomex 
[06:04:43] < Nikky> :)
[06:04:59] <+chronomex> no, it makes sense!
[06:05:04] <+chronomex> the botsquad
[06:05:09] <+chronomex> we should rename it
[06:05:16] < Nikky> done
[06:05:43] <+chronomex> cool
[06:06:02] < Spengo\__> lol
[06:10:19] <+BrandonW> You're right, no...human being, would stack books like this.
[06:13:12] < aardvarq> if you squint your eyes just right, the phrase "stack books" looks like "suck boobs"
[06:13:49] <+chronomex> woot, I FINALLY got the damn program transferred
[06:14:07] <+chronomex> I should've remembered that my younger brother had a silverlink sooner ...
[06:14:13] < Nikky> I have a blacklink
[06:14:19] <+chronomex> me too
[06:14:45] <+chronomex> I had to comment out a line in the driver to get it to compile though ...
[06:14:59] <+chronomex> 2.6.23.9 fyi
[06:15:02] <+BrandonW> I have a blacklink.
[06:15:12] <+chronomex> Me too.
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[06:21:43] <+chronomex> oh that's interesting ...
[06:21:47] <+chronomex> there's no int for B-end
[06:22:01] <+BrandonW> Really...
[06:22:09] <+BrandonW> No code in the OS to die when that happens?
[06:22:29] <+chronomex> um I was wrong
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[06:22:59] <+chronomex> AI3 only fires from B-end when:
[06:23:13] <+chronomex> other end of cable has power and is inserted into calc
[06:23:27] <+BrandonW> This is good stuff, are you writing it down?
[06:23:38] <+BrandonW> How are you able to tell there's power on the other end?
[06:23:52] <+chronomex> ... csometimes
[06:23:52] <+chronomex> not yet
[06:23:58] <+chronomex> I think I didn't ack it, that's the problem
[06:24:00] <+chronomex> yeah ...
[06:24:27] <+BrandonW> On the 84+/SE, you can just tell that there's an A/B cable inserted, not that there's really a device on the other end.
[06:24:41] <+BrandonW> Which is why it gets confused inserting just the adapter into the port from the homescreen.
[06:25:38] <+chronomex> okay
[06:25:52] <+chronomex> I've not done that ... or anything else really with 84s
[06:26:55] <+chronomex> also, of course I write it all down :)
[06:26:59] <+BrandonW> The 84+/SE tries to immediately read the descriptors from a device you plug in, to see if it's another calculator or EasyData probe. If you just plug in a mini-A adapter, it'll try to init that which will obviously fail.
[06:27:06] <+BrandonW> The 89Ti might be similar.
[06:27:13] <+BrandonW> That's the only reason I mention 84+/SE stuff.
[06:27:19] <+chronomex> the 89 does that too
[06:27:27] <+chronomex> you can see it in the status bar
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[06:31:18] <+chronomex> this ack isn't the "reenable USB" port either
[06:33:13] <+BrandonW> What are you calling an ack?
[06:33:57] <+chronomex> ack is whatever makes the interrupts come back
[06:34:02] <+chronomex> the AMS does it and I'm not
[06:34:27] <+BrandonW> Are you able to prevent the OS from ever doing anything with this interrupt?
[06:34:47] < aardvarc> adult swim sucks ever since they stopped paying for futurama and family guy
[06:34:58] < aardvarc> the only funny thing they have left is robot chicken
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[06:36:38] <+chronomex> BrandonW: yes, I have full control
[06:37:15] <+chronomex> when my program hooks the int, AMS's int doesn't evere run
[06:37:29] <+chronomex> it's handy
[06:40:26] <+chronomex> oh dun h ....
[06:40:45] <+BrandonW> What's causing you to send weird characters like that?
[06:41:50] < mokomull> irssi doesn't seem to actually parse control characters when you type them too fast.
[06:43:09] <+chronomex> and I have mad lag so they it happens all the time
[06:43:14] <+chronomex> argh!!!!!
[06:43:23] <+chronomex> it makes me look epileptic
[06:43:24] <+chronomex> but I'm not
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[06:44:18] < mokomull> haha
[06:44:19] < mokomull> it does
[06:44:27] < mokomull> I wonder why irssi does that.
[06:45:06] <+chronomex> I think it's something to do with paste detection
[06:45:22] < mokomull> but it's particularly annoying over a half-broken SSH connection, when I try to kill it, type ^U ENTER ~. to kill the connection
[06:45:35] < mokomull> and it prints blahblah^U~. to the channel I'm in
[06:45:48] < mokomull> 01:52 paste_detect_time = 5msecs
[06:46:06] <+chronomex> C-u Ret tilde dot?
[06:46:06] <+chronomex> that's an oodd escape sequence
[06:46:18] < mokomull> that erases the current line and presses enter
[06:46:37] < mokomull> ~. is an escape sequence for the SSH client, but only if it occurs at the beginning of a line
[06:47:48] <+chronomex> I see
[06:48:19] <+chronomex> anyway
[06:48:23] <+chronomex> I'm hungry
[06:48:24] <+chronomex> bbiam
[06:48:46] <+chronomex> BrandonW: have anything for port 5A while I'm gone?
[06:48:48]  * Peter_W yawns loudly
[06:48:57] <+BrandonW> Nope.
[06:49:03] <+BrandonW> Never seen 5Ah touched.
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[06:53:39] <+chronomex> really?
[06:53:49] <+chronomex> 89 dicks with it all the time
[06:53:56] <+BrandonW> In what way?
[06:54:10] <+chronomex> it's the first thing the interrupt handler looks at, for one
[06:54:35] <+chronomex> it's read and written a total of 9 times
[06:54:44] <+chronomex> I can't say much more off the top of my head
[06:54:53]  * chronomex goes back to eating the last hotdog in the house
[06:55:30] <+BrandonW> It has to be important, whatever it is.
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[07:02:01] <@efneTI86> [Tyler2] I speak fluent dialup.
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[07:13:46] <+chronomex> mmm that was good yogurt
[07:18:12] <+chronomex> BrandonW: have anything for port 57?
[07:18:26] <+BrandonW> I know it's used in init and kill, but really no clue what it does.
[07:18:31] <+chronomex> ok
[07:18:32] <+BrandonW> It gets output a couple of odd values.
[07:18:36] <+chronomex> I have an init thing here
[07:18:39] <+chronomex> read 4
[07:18:41] <+chronomex> erm
[07:19:05] <+chronomex> read 57, read 56, write 0 into 57, write 57's old value back into 57
[07:19:40] <+chronomex> ooh, that might be the ack I was looking for
[07:19:42] <+chronomex> lemme try that
[07:19:46] <+BrandonW> There's some code that does a dummy read on it and then checks 4Dh, which is some sort of status port about what's plugged in.
[07:21:06] <+chronomex> I don't see anl 4D in thins handler
[07:21:11] <+BrandonW> It gets zero on init.
[07:21:15] <+BrandonW> 57h, that is.
[07:21:33] <+BrandonW> Either that or 20h.
[07:21:43] <+chronomex> nope, not the ack
[07:21:44] <+BrandonW> ...or 80h...
[07:21:53] <+BrandonW> I hate that damn TI.
[07:21:59] <+BrandonW> We're working blind here.
[07:22:30] <+BrandonW> I didn't even notice ports 4Fh and 50h until just now.
[07:22:44] <+BrandonW> Also gets 10h...
[07:22:58] <+BrandonW> It all happens during an init of some sort.
[07:23:12] <+BrandonW> As one of the first steps.
[07:23:26] <+BrandonW> always*
[07:25:28] <+chronomex> hm ok
[07:25:48] <+chronomex> I have no 10h, do you have 0Ah?
[07:26:00] <+BrandonW> I meant port 57h also gets the value 10h.
[07:26:03] <+chronomex> ah
[07:26:21] <+BrandonW> Anything in the 30s usually isn't USB-related.
[07:26:24] <+BrandonW> 30s and below.
[07:27:00] <+chronomex> I've seen 57 written with 2a, 20, 50, 10, 90, 00 hex
[07:28:25] <+chronomex> and I see it's written in three places
[07:28:29] <+chronomex> always followed by a read
[07:28:29] <+BrandonW> I mean, I know the ports aren't exactly the same, but it could be close.
[07:28:36] <+chronomex> *a write
[07:29:13] <+BrandonW> This is what Dan did, he'd come up with a solid disassembly and write out all the steps it took.
[07:29:15] <+chronomex> I have an RO port at 55 (2 bits ever tested) and 56 (all bits tested at some point)
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[07:29:18] <+BrandonW> And eventually there started to be a pattern.
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[07:29:40] <+BrandonW> Can you tell that it's read-only, or do you just see that it's never written to?
[07:30:04] <+chronomex> If I say something is RO I usually mean the OS never writes
[07:30:12] <+chronomex> similar for WO
[07:33:00] <+chronomex> here's my notes
[07:33:01] <+chronomex> http://rafb.net/p/eFjht360.html
[07:33:33] <+chronomex> the 89 seems to have two TWO sets of USB routines
[07:33:46] <+chronomex> at ROM 0x805xxx and at ROM 0x94xxxx
[07:33:52] <+chronomex> they're substantially similar
[07:34:03] <+chronomex> some routines are identical
[07:34:09] <+chronomex> there's a bit of call between them also
[07:34:15] <+chronomex> it's bizarre
[07:34:54] <+BrandonW> Do you ever see anything with ports A1 or A2?
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[07:36:17] <+chronomex> all port activity is in that paste
[07:36:57] <+BrandonW> I was expecting to see more in the Ax range.
[07:37:11] <+chronomex> hm
[07:37:21] <+chronomex> so you don't have to ack the interrupt
[07:37:23] <+BrandonW> The fact that you get that string on A0 is a very strong indication that that range is all the pipes.
[07:37:29] <+chronomex> it just won't fire until you remove an A cable
[07:37:34] <+chronomex> yes
[07:37:38] <+BrandonW> There are 16 of them on the 84+/SE, A0 being the control pipe, where descriptors would pass through.
[07:37:56] <+BrandonW> The calculators all have two bulk pipes, which would be A1 and A2.
[07:38:47] <+chronomex> right, I'm looking for offset action
[07:39:01] <+BrandonW> Which there's a strong chance of.
[07:39:20] <+chronomex> that was my suspicion too
[07:40:09] <+BrandonW> The 84+/SE hard-codes all that, but I wouldn't be too surprised if they were a little smarter on the 89Ti.
[07:42:06] <+chronomex> FOUND IT
[07:42:20] <+chronomex> but it's backwards from the way I'd do it
[07:42:25] <+chronomex> so much for compilers ...
[07:42:35] <+BrandonW> Yay!
[07:42:51] <+BrandonW> So that's definitely what those three ports do.
[07:43:08] <+chronomex> remember this offset for me
[07:43:08] <+chronomex> 9499fa:
[07:43:08] <+BrandonW> And anything using ports A1 and A2 are calc<->calc or calc<->some device code.
[07:43:39] <+BrandonW> You could easily get some code going to init and read descriptors.
[07:43:44] <+BrandonW> Which is really all USBTools does.
[07:44:09] <+Nikky> chronomex: 9499fa:
[07:44:43] <+chronomex> thanks Nikky
[07:45:05] <+Nikky> I'm a clipboard
[07:45:44] <+chronomex> a clipboard that's about as useful as the fish Dory (or wtfever her name is) in "Finding Nemo"
[07:45:52] <+Nikky> Never seen it
[07:46:01] <+chronomex> no, you forget!
[07:46:52] <+chronomex> agh TI's compiler is driving me NUTS
[07:47:11] <+chronomex> you don't have to "and 0xff" before doing byte operations!
[07:47:22] <+chronomex> you can just tell the operator that you only want a byte!
[07:47:43] <+BrandonW> :)
[07:47:50] <+BrandonW> You are me.
[07:48:02] <+BrandonW> We are one.
[07:48:05] <+chronomex> ?
[07:48:09] <+chronomex> ahaha
[07:48:12] <+BrandonW> Complaining about TI's code.
[07:48:19] <+chronomex> lol <3
[07:48:42] <+Nikky> :(
[07:48:53] <+Nikky> TI has amazingly great code.
[07:49:10] <+chronomex> movew %fp@(10),%d4
[07:49:16] <+chronomex> there THERE is the magic incantation
[07:49:25] <+chronomex> I spent the past 8 minutes looking for it
[07:50:06] <+chronomex> the pipe number is an argument to the function at 947b4a
[07:50:30] <+chronomex> yes, it does call it with arg $01
[07:50:52]  * Nikky feels horribly unknowledgeable
[07:51:12] <+BrandonW> Okay, the pipes usually have different meanings depending on whether you're in host or peripheral mode. 01 is usually the input, so if you're a host, that would be an in pipe, and if you're a peripheral, that would be an out pipe.
[07:51:14] <+chronomex> or maybe $00, I'm too stupid / lazy to puzzle out which way the frame is addressed
[07:51:48] <+chronomex> but I'm sure it's 1 because of the way that number was checked
[07:51:57] <+chronomex> (0 causes an error condition)
[07:52:14]  * chronomex hugs Nikky
[07:52:21] <+chronomex> it's not that bad my friend
[07:52:34] <+BrandonW> As soon as I get my 89Ti out of the car, I'll init it with USBTools and make sure 01 really is the in pipe.
[07:52:48] <+chronomex> ???
[07:53:14] <+BrandonW> Okay, "???" doesn't help me understand what you don't understand...
[07:53:26] <+BrandonW> What's an in pipe? What's USBTools? Why's your 89Ti in the car?
[07:53:28] <+BrandonW> Could be anything...
[07:53:42] <+chronomex> USBTools runs on the 89Ti?
[07:53:50] <+BrandonW> No, but the 84+/SE can talk to the 89Ti just fine.
[07:53:56] <+chronomex> ah ok
[07:53:58] <+BrandonW> I'll connect them and try to initialize the 89Ti as a peripheral.
[07:54:05] <+chronomex> good move
[07:54:24] <+chronomex> why don't you just run a nice long cable out here?
[07:54:31] < Spengo\__> sleep time methinks
[07:54:34] < Spengo\__> avocado
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[07:54:51] <+BrandonW> Because USB has a 50 feet limit, or something.
[07:54:59] <+chronomex> lamesauce
[07:55:05] <+ports> lie
[07:55:19] <+chronomex> timing or capacitance?
[07:55:22] < aardvarq> not with lotsa hubs it doesn't
[07:55:25] <+chronomex> I think I've heard capacitance
[07:55:27] <+BrandonW> Capacitance.
[07:55:40] <+chronomex> aardvarq: spec says 6+ hubs is out of spec
[07:56:02] < aardvarq> 5 is still lotsa :)
[07:56:13] <+chronomex> yeah, but it's not from TN to WA
[07:56:19] <+chronomex> that's a _lot_ of hubs
[07:57:17] <+chronomex> I need to stop typing cos my right pinky is hurting :X
[07:57:23] < aardvarq> Well that's why they invented fiber optic USB cables!
[07:57:36] <+chronomex> yes, whatever those are
[07:57:46] < aardvarq> You'd still need too many hubs though, unless they invented optical USB hubs.
[07:57:50] < aardvarq> Which would be badass.
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[07:58:49] <+chronomex> so (did I tell you?) the "ack stuff" is that the device resets itself when an A end is removed
[07:59:04] <+chronomex> which makes sense in some way
[07:59:22] <+ports> you should be put on an island
[07:59:44] <+chronomex> whaaa?
[07:59:52] <+ports> quote from tv
[08:00:45] <+chronomex> if you say so
[08:01:39] <+BrandonW> I'm sure there's stuff like that on the 84+/SE, too, like regulating power and resetting status after a connect/disconnect, but we'll never know. Just magic.
[08:01:45] <+chronomex> right
[08:01:57] <+chronomex> apparently the B-end magic also happens on address allocation
[08:02:04] <+chronomex> but I have to do it _all_ myself
[08:02:31] <+ports> lol
[08:02:59] <+chronomex> so I need to know this magic!
[08:03:03] <+chronomex> or at least duplicate it
[08:07:32] <+BrandonW> Duplicating it is what we do.
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[08:09:51] <+chronomex> duplicate and _improve_, sir
[08:09:55] <+chronomex> that's what makes us great
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[08:10:56] < millinao> oh shi-
[08:11:11] < millinao> Link to the MSD?
[08:11:28] <+BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/crap/periph8x.zip
[08:11:57] <+chronomex> hahaha http://youtube.com/watch?v=gkMofkp4bNw
[08:12:38] < millinao> do you have a video of it working? I don't have my calculator on me
[08:13:11] < millinao> haha chronomex that is awesome
[08:13:40] <+BrandonW> No...it just shows a drive letter.
[08:13:47] <+BrandonW> It's more just an important milestone in development.
[08:13:56] <+BrandonW> I'm not stuck anymore.
[08:14:38] <+ports> chicken head
[08:15:00] < millinao> oh
[08:19:42] < aardvarq> them's fightin words
[08:24:28] <+ports> girl fight
[08:24:55] <+chronomex> not on this channel
[08:25:03] <+chronomex> have to have girls for a girl fight
[08:25:28] < aardvarq> yeah, two or more!
[08:25:31] < aardvarq> !seen nolabels
[08:25:34] <@efneTI86> aardvarq, I don't remember seeing nolabels.
[08:25:44] <+chronomex> !seen labels
[08:25:46] <@efneTI86> chronomex, I don't remember seeing labels.
[08:25:46]  * millinao FIGHTS like a girl
[08:25:47] < aardvarq> Well there you go. Only one girl in the last 3 years.
[08:25:48] < millinao> Does that count?
[08:25:58] <+chronomex> what about the one from cuba?
[08:26:06] < millinao> lesbpet
[08:26:08] < millinao> her name was
[08:26:24] <+chronomex> right
[08:26:28] <+chronomex> !seen lesbpet
[08:26:29] <@efneTI86> lesbpet (~555@200.55.152.234) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 4 days, 11 hours, 41 minutes ago stating (Client Quit).
[08:26:36] <+chronomex> wait what?
[08:26:40] < millinao> 4 days?
[08:26:41] < aardvarq> turned out to be netham
[08:26:46] < millinao> oh wtf
[08:26:48] <+chronomex> right
[08:26:56] < millinao> that was netham?
[08:26:59] <+chronomex> no
[08:27:02] <+chronomex> that's a cuban IP
[08:27:10] < millinao> oh, indeed
[08:27:41] <+chronomex> whois on it
[08:27:42] < aardvarq> proxy
[08:28:19] <+chronomex> kay
[08:28:35] < aardvarq> I'm joking.
[08:28:37] < aardvarq> I know nothing
[08:29:33] <+chronomex> open port 22 (ssh); it's a proxy
[08:30:45] < aardvarq> is it?
[08:30:48] < aardvarq> !seen tahben
[08:30:49] <@efneTI86> Tahben (~Tahben@ip70-190-15-31.ph.ph.cox.net) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 24 days, 5 hours, 17 minutes ago stating (Ping timeout: 244 seconds).
[08:31:27] <+chronomex> it probably is
[08:31:37] < millinao> why, exactly, do men like these subjects and women don't?
[08:31:53] <+chronomex> because of THE MAFIA
[08:31:57] < millinao> The content itself isn't gender related
[08:32:11] <+chronomex> I really don'c are, I have fun with it
[08:32:13] < aardvarq> millinao: this is easy to explain.
[08:32:30] < millinao> hmm?
[08:32:32] <+chronomex> cos the channel is full of misygynistic teenagers
[08:32:41] < millinao> haha
[08:32:43] < aardvarq> These subjects take large investments of time in order to master proficiently. Without this investment, they are both useless and uninteresting.
[08:32:49] < aardvarq> People who are getting laid do not have time for it.
[08:33:08] <+chronomex> not all girls are busy getting laid
[08:33:33] < aardvarq> Yes, but name some who wished they were.
[08:33:49] < millinao> I guess that fits in with the stereotype that all girls on the internet are fat
[08:33:54] <+chronomex> I don't see the connection here
[08:33:59] < millinao> or geeky girls, rather
[08:34:04] <+ports> lol
[08:34:09] <+ports> geeky girls get laid too
[08:34:14] <+ports> they just get spanked first
[08:34:18] <+chronomex> ...
[08:34:19] <+chronomex> sure
[08:34:30] < millinao> THAT is why there are no girls here
[08:34:36] < millinao> heh
[08:34:38] <+ports> i used to date a girl that new the difference between all the dungeons and dragons versions
[08:34:43] <+ports> she was a biter
[08:34:45] <+chronomex> "cos the channel is full of misygynistic teenagers" <-- thanks for proving that ports
[08:34:51] < millinao> hahaha
[08:36:40] < aardvarq> who's misygynistic?
[08:37:09] < aardvarq> biters can be fun, I think
[08:37:10] <+chronomex> \o_
[08:37:25] <+chronomex> <-- trained professional misogynist ?
[08:39:08] <+chronomex> meme time!  Paste whatever's on your clipboard; no cheating.
[08:39:16] <+chronomex> I'll go first
[08:39:17] <+chronomex> 	usb_port(0x57) = 0;
[08:39:37] <+BrandonW>        inc hl
[08:40:16] < aardvarq> Client-Server Communication
[08:40:16] < aardvarq> Java object I/O streams will be employed for communication between client and server. These will be acquired from each connecting client socket. Because we are implementing both the client and server sides in Java, that this will be a simpler and more flexible solution. Method calls (from both the client and server) will take the following form:
[08:40:16] < aardvarq> 	method_name, [param1], [param2],…
[08:40:16] < aardvarq> where each element is a distinct Serializable object. The method_name will be a String of the exact name of the method on the opposing side. Because of this convection, no methods will be overloaded. Java reflection will provide the means to determine the actual method to invoke. This will also allow for list of supported methods to be easily extended. For each call to the server, a response/confirmation of either the return type/some confirmat
[08:41:16] < aardvarq> Paper for class.
[08:41:17] <+chronomex> "Because of this convection" ?
[08:41:17] <+chronomex> someone can't write :)
[08:41:27] < aardvarq> OMG
[08:41:32] < aardvarq> haha
[08:41:43] < aardvarq> That's the great thing about group work.
[08:41:51] < aardvarq> So much for cutting and pasting and being done!
[08:42:16] <+chronomex> lol
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[08:50:35] <+chronomex> I need you to move to seattle, BrandonW
[08:53:41] <+BrandonW> Why's that?
[08:53:47] < millinao> because the northwest owns
[08:54:01] <+chronomex> BrandonW: why are you up at 5am?
[08:54:20] <+chronomex> cos I could learn a lot more from you in person
[08:54:26] <+chronomex> you should come to the meetup this july
[08:54:29] <+BrandonW> I'm working on the driver. I said I wasn't going to sleep.
[08:54:37] < aardvarq> meetup?
[08:54:38] <+chronomex> oh right
[08:54:39] <+chronomex> yeah
[08:54:55] <+chronomex> I'm taking the train from seattle to nyc, whoever wants to can join me mid-trip
[08:55:06] <+chronomex> sometime this july
[08:56:21] < aardvarq> we should send a #tcpa crew to defcon
[08:56:34] <+chronomex> I'm going to HOPE actually
[08:56:55] <+chronomex> http://www.hope.net/
[08:56:56] < aardvarq> whats hope
[08:57:03] <+chronomex> that's the occasion for the trip
[08:57:11] <+chronomex> it's a con, $75 right now
[08:57:47] < millinao> Where's the #tcpa meetup
[08:58:02] <+chronomex> didn't I just say?
[08:58:32] < aardvarq> chronomex: calm down. Not everybody's mice has a scrollwheel.
[08:58:41] <+chronomex> I'm not upset ...
[08:59:31] < aardvarq> And I don't honestly think lacking a scrollwheel is a valid excuse for not paying attention ...
[09:06:50] < aardvarq> :-)
[09:08:11] < Patrick^D> of coures that's not an excuse
[09:08:16] < Patrick^D> there is no excuse!
[09:09:09] <+Nikky> seattle to nyc?
[09:09:12] <+Nikky> how many days is that
[09:09:30] <+Nikky> but yes,  BrandonW should move to Seattle
[09:09:33] <+Nikky> it's where champs are
[09:10:42] < millinao> If I could, I would move to seattle
[09:10:56] < millinao> portland's close enough though
[09:11:25] < aardvarq> I have friends in both portland and seattle
[09:15:55] <+chronomex> me too
[09:16:21] <+Nikky> I don't have friends.
[09:17:32] <+chronomex> We've noticed.
[09:18:36] <+Nikky> :(
[09:18:47] <+chronomex> :P
[09:19:49] <+chronomex> goodnight #tcpa
[09:20:06] <+chronomex> and good luck with your driver, BrandonW
[09:20:17] <+chronomex> I expect a full report within 24 hours' time
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[09:20:30] <+BrandonW> I'm making good progress.
[09:20:42] <+chronomex> actually just some more detailed port info on wikiti would be good :)
[09:20:55]  * chronomex out
[09:20:57] <+BrandonW> What is it you want to know about, host or peripheral mode?
[09:21:02] < aardvarq> so yeah I am more interested in defcon than hope
[09:21:03] <+BrandonW> Because they're different.
[09:22:07] <+BrandonW> Didn't get an answer, so I guess I'll just do nothing.
[09:22:12] <+BrandonW> Easier on me.
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[10:20:44]  * E-J is ircing from bus, somewhere in finland
[10:21:16] <@E-J> here is still snow, unlike home
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[10:23:43] <@efneTI86> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[11:13:21] <@efneTI86> [Leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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[13:21:27] <+bsparks> yes... well
[13:52:23] < i_c-Y> someone tell Barrett to get his directory listings sorted by date from newest modification to oldest modification
[13:52:46] <+DSP_Lord> no u
[13:52:52] < i_c-Y> nou
[13:54:32] < Leofox> someone tell icy that he's a fag
[13:54:56] <+DSP_Lord> ok
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[14:02:04] <+bsparks> how do I unmount something in Linux? =/
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[14:10:05] < i_c-Y> umount?
[14:10:11] < i_c-Y> eject?
[14:14:31] < al_b> last time I tried Linux, I had to explictly mount a CD just after insertion before it was usable
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[14:14:40] < al_b> please tell me we've moved on since then
[14:14:56] < i_c-Y> haha. HAL automounters are prettymuch standard now
[14:15:01] < i_c-Y> and bsparks , the command is umount
[14:15:09] < i_c-Y> (or eject for removable media is another option)
[14:15:49] < bsparks> i_c-Y, eject, and my system was lying to itself about wether the sd card ven existed
[14:15:52] < i_c-Y> but, al_b , its not necessary to have the automounter.
[14:16:40] < i_c-Y> al_b: i also think im going to go with the PIC's - theres a lot of pic resources at school which i can use
[14:17:09] < i_c-Y> bsparks: did it have a node in /dev ?
[14:17:11] < al_b> fair enough
[14:17:19] < al_b> I think they're ugly, horrible things personally
[14:17:21] < bsparks> i_c-Y, yes
[14:17:33] < al_b> which is a pity because I have several hundred brand new in tubes around here
[14:17:45] < i_c-Y> heh. just because it doesnt have gcc?
[14:18:05] < al_b> not only that, the instruction set is truly awful
[14:18:26] < al_b> only 1 register, banking, paging, all kids of evilness
[14:19:27] < al_b> and what kind of an instruction set has instructions named btfsc (bit test F, skip if Clear)? It'd make more sense to called it "ifbit"
[14:19:44] < al_b> oh, and a fixed size return stack
[14:20:13] < i_c-Y> haha.
[14:20:20] < al_b> and the AVRs are faster
[14:20:43] < al_b> if you decide to do any asm programming whatsoever, the AVR wins handsdown. And I'm speaking of someone who used to love PICs
[14:20:50] < al_b> of=as
[14:27:00] < i_c-Y> people seem to like the PIC 18F's a lot better than the 16's
[14:30:21] < al_b> yep, the PIC18's remove a fair amount of the ugliness, but they're still not perfect
[14:30:47] < al_b> on the PIC16 for instance you have to jump around changing banks all the time
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[14:33:52] < i_c-Y> hm. it would be nice if they put a zif socket on the dragon when they shipped it
[14:33:54] < i_c-Y> :/
[14:40:02] < al_b> i_c-Y: why? Just use in circuit programming
[14:40:26] < al_b> pity you're not closer, or I'd post you one of the ATMEGA32 AVR development PCBs I got made up
[14:43:57] < al_b> http://alpage.ath.cx/cm/debugger.jpg is one of them plugged into a dragon
[14:44:20] < al_b> http://alpage.ath.cx/cm/naked.jpg is the board itself
[14:44:23] < al_b> anyways, nighty night
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[14:46:40] < i_c-Y> night
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[14:58:12] <+patz2009> BrandonW got the entire thing working?
[15:00:35] < i_c-Y> maybe.
[15:02:02] < i_c-Y> what the fuck is this... people sell tools to search logs?
[15:02:08] < i_c-Y> ready, i have the tool for you
[15:02:11] < i_c-Y> its calle grep
[15:02:15] < i_c-Y> called*
[15:02:45] < i_c-Y> or if youre on windows the log viewer has it built in
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[15:05:57] < Leofox> the most disgusting thing ever happened today
[15:06:37] < Leofox> near the ceiling of our dining room is a PVC pipe that acts as a link to the sewer for our upper neighbours
[15:06:58] < Leofox> in other words, shit flows through there
[15:07:02] < Leofox> it broke
[15:07:12] < Leofox> the whole dining room was covered in shit
[15:07:18] <+patz2009> ummm... isn't that illegal or something?
[15:07:45] < Leofox> they have to have some way of moving shit from the upper areas to the lower areas
[15:08:02] <+patz2009> Then do it through the walls, not through the rooms
[15:09:03] < Leofox> anyway it happened
[15:09:27] < Leofox> i'm glad it happened in the dining room that never uses
[15:09:39] < Leofox> believe me, i would be pissed if the pipe above my desk broke
[15:09:48] < Leofox> lol
[15:09:50] <+patz2009> What of your stuff got messed up?
[15:10:00] < Leofox> my sentences match up with still alive lines
[15:10:07] < Leofox> patz2009, none of my stuff
[15:10:11] < Leofox> no one stores stuff there
[15:10:31] <+patz2009> good :P
[15:10:32] < Leofox> just a bunch of chairs that belong to everyone
[15:11:18] < Leofox> <Leofox> anyway this cake is great <Leofox> i'm glad i got burned <Leofox> believe me, I am still alive
[15:11:49] <+patz2009> haha
[15:14:19] < Leofox> !qfind orange box
[15:14:22] <@efneTI86> 1092:Nikky: <millinao> The godwin's law of #tcpa: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Portal or The Orange Box approaches one.
[15:14:25] <@efneTI86> (All of 1 match)
[15:40:34] < i_c-Y> i forgot how to solve http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/0/0c/Cakechallenge.jpg
[15:43:07] <@Andy_J> :|
[15:50:32] < i_c-Y> hi Andy_J 
[15:50:34] < i_c-Y> hows the raid?
[15:52:26] < i_c-Y> new macbook almost looks decent.
[15:54:10] < Barrett> it looks the same to me
[15:54:22] < i_c-Y> and why is apple still making safari for windows...
[15:54:39] < i_c-Y> it sucks and all other browsers that are graphical other than Opera and IE should be abolished.
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[15:59:51] < bsparks> benryves, SUP? Dude!
[16:00:19] < i_c-Y> well if it isnt benryves 
[16:00:27] <+Merthsoft> hi benryves 
[16:00:41] <@Andy_J> i_c-Y: seems to be working fine
[16:00:58] <@benryves> 'lo bsparks, i_c-Y, Merthsoft, Andy_J, and anyone else who's doing more than idling.
[16:01:02] <@Andy_J> Hello.
[16:01:05] < i_c-Y> did your old drive die yet?
[16:01:41] <@Andy_J> Naw, I don't think it's dieingt.
[16:01:43] < i_c-Y> what you need to do is, when it dies out, tie a string to it and wear it around your neck - a whole new kinda bling.
[16:01:51] <@Andy_J> I just don't like the sounds it makes
[16:01:59] <@Andy_J> at any rate it's still SMART OK
[16:02:02] < i_c-Y> plus you can spin it too. its like spinners but its cheaper.
[16:03:39] <+patz2009> I might as well hop on the bandwagon too (though a little late). Hello, benryves.
[16:04:16] <@Andy_J> I hope this yields at least slight readd speed gains
[16:04:27] <@Andy_J> granted they're on the same PATA channel but =\
[16:05:57] <@benryves> Heya patz2009 :P
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[17:38:42] <@efneTI86> [Merthsoft] Heat, time, and pressure; the things needed to make diamonds also make waffles.
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[18:15:24] < prime38> greetings
[18:15:55] <+patz2001> Greetings, earthling.
[18:17:13] < prime38> i think i have brought germs from england home with me
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[18:17:29] < prime38> damn brits
[18:17:46] <+patz2001> Why? Do you have a strange obsession for tea now?
[18:17:52] < prime38> no
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[18:18:03] <+ports> i like black tea
[18:18:11] < prime38> yes me too, even before i visited
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[18:18:50] <@benryves> Careful now, prime38 :P
[18:19:25] <+patz2009> We should get the british mafia on prime38... >_>
[18:19:56] < i_c-Y> what, all they'll do is eat tea and crumpets and complain about the weather.
[18:20:35] < i_c-Y> and use the phrase "old chap" whenever they meet prime38 
[18:21:58] <+patz2009> OPEN "TRUE.DAT" FOR INPUT ACCESS READ AS #1
[18:21:59] <+patz2009> >_>
[18:22:37] <@benryves> Eek, BASIC. :\
[18:22:57] <+patz2009> inorite?
[18:23:13] < prime38> eek benryves 
[18:25:14] < prime38> do you know how much a pint of beer costs in ireland?
[18:25:28] < prime38> somewhere between 4 and 5 euros
[18:25:38] < prime38> do you know how much that is in dollars?
[18:25:47] < prime38> crazy friggen expensive
[18:25:56] <+patz2009> about $6-$7.50
[18:26:03] < prime38> yea
[18:26:16] <@benryves> Probably doesn't help that the USD is worthless. :\
[18:26:21] < prime38> not true
[18:26:30] < prime38> it is at a low, yes
[18:26:41] <@benryves> OK, "worth very little" :P
[18:26:43] < prime38> i persinally think it is a self harming issue
[18:26:58] < prime38> like, we think its worth very little
[18:27:01] < prime38> and then it  drops
[18:27:06] < prime38> and we think even less of it
[18:27:08] <@Andy_J> damn, it's been ages since I've seen BASIC code that old
[18:27:09] < prime38> and it drops more
[18:27:13] <+patz2009> At least it's not worth as little as Zimbabwe's money... >_>
[18:27:20] < prime38> hah yea
[18:27:30] < prime38> anyways, in england it wasnt much better
[18:27:36] < prime38> but at least it was a little better
[18:28:08] < prime38> it felt better, but was still a ripoff to pay 2 pounds
[18:28:15] < prime38> 2+
[18:28:17] <@Andy_J> BufferedReader reader = new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader(new FileInputStream("TRUE.DAT")));
[18:28:21] <@Andy_J> >_> <_<
[18:29:28] <+patz2009> If you convert 1 US Dollar into Zimbabwe Dollar you'll end up with a total of 30,000.00 Zimbabwe Dollars...
[18:29:35] < prime38> assert(Andy_J = old)
[18:29:55] <@benryves> File.Open("TRUE.DAT", FileMode.Open) :)
[18:29:55] <@Andy_J> Sytax error, found AGE expecting BOOLEAN
[18:30:12] < prime38> patz2009: yea i think they released a 1 million note
[18:30:13] <@Andy_J> Syntax, even
[18:30:22] < prime38> or 2 million or something
[18:30:45] < prime38> some buisness guy got in trouble for printing his buisnedd cards on zimbabwe money
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[18:31:59] <@Andy_J> $file = fopen("TRUE.DAT", "r");
[18:32:00] <@Andy_J> I think
[18:32:45]  * patz2009 is a QuickBASIC/FreeBASIC junkie
[18:32:55] <@benryves> *File.OpenRead("TRUE.DAT") >_>
[18:33:22] < prime38> lea x800
[18:35:25] < prime38> so, i watched no country for old men today
[18:35:35] < prime38> who wants to explain the ending to me
[18:35:56] < prime38> or at least make up one, since there basically wasnt one
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[18:43:02] <+patz2009> We need to make a Nikky video for that quote
[18:43:13] < prime38> what
[18:43:20] <+patz2009> !qfind nikky nikky
[18:43:22] <@efneTI86> 1227:Andy_J: <@Nikky> stop hilighting me | <@Andy_J> Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky Nikky [...] Nikky | <@benryves> Mushroom MUSHROOM. | <@Nikky> Die
[18:43:25] <@efneTI86> (All of 1 match)
[18:43:39] <@Andy_J> haha
[18:43:45] <+DSP_Lord> XD
[18:43:59] <+patz2009> Someone needs to photoshop Nikky into there over all of the badgers
[18:44:01] <+DSP_Lord> XD
[18:44:05] <+DSP_Lord> !qsay 839
[18:44:06] <@efneTI86> 839: <Zero_Away> [ <-- libraryness ] | <E-J> lochness | * DSP_Lord is now known as LochNess | <LochNess> i need about tree fitty | <Nikky> :D | <Nikky> g******** loch ness monster! | <LochNess> yes! | * LochNess initiates high five with Nikky | <Nikky> you gave him a dollar woman? | * Nikky completes | <LochNess> he tricked me! [Added DSP_Lord at 2006/12/13 13:44]
[18:44:50] < prime38> nikky is an ass
[18:44:58] < prime38> he randomly highlights people
[18:45:02] <+patz2009> Yes, but he's our ass.
[18:45:03] < prime38> just for fun
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[18:56:57] <@efneTI86> [Merthsoft] Heat, time, and pressure; the things needed to make diamonds also make waffles.
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[19:00:30] < hpb> I'm curious about a C compiler for a TI-84.
[19:00:46] < hpb> Does anyone have any advice?
[19:00:51] < Randomist> Not gonna happen.
[19:01:18] <+patz2009> hpb: Don't get your hopes up.
[19:02:03] < hpb> M'kay. It wasn't really for me -- I was just following up from the other end of the spectrum.
[19:02:04] < hpb> http://cboard.cprogramming.com/showthread.php?t=100510
[19:02:43] < hpb> But thanks for the quick answers.
[19:03:57] <@Andy_J> yeah, not really worth it
[19:03:59] <@Andy_J> not enough memory
[19:04:25] <+Merthsoft> http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/ whoa, would this work?
[19:05:06] <@Andy_J> It may be possible but still not really worth it
[19:05:17] < Randomist> C on z80 calc is pretty useless.
[19:05:37] < hpb> Hey, I've used C on lesser devices. :D
[19:06:00] <+Merthsoft> Andy_J: why?
[19:06:24] <@Andy_J> there just isn't enough memory for the c runtime crap
[19:06:29] <+Merthsoft> oh, ok
[19:07:09] < hpb> Embedded C has a pretty damn minimalist runtime: practically none.
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[19:08:26] <@Andy_J> you'd have to make a runtime to do anything useful
[19:08:34] <@Andy_J> to handle i/o
[19:09:05] <@Andy_J> not saying it isn't doable, just not very practical
[19:09:08] <+Nikky> prime38
[19:09:22] <@Andy_J> 89Ti is better off since there's a proper gcc for it, and also because it has some C support built-in
[19:09:27] <@Andy_J> I think.
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[19:16:36] < hpb> Andy, I'm quite familiar with small devices. Many useful things are done without printf and malloc.
[19:17:33] <@Andy_J> If you're writing for a calculator, you're going to want I/O. :)
[19:17:47] <@Andy_J> I understand that, say, an elevator doesn't need printf.
[19:18:54] <@Andy_J> But for decently useful calculator programs, you're going to have to wrap around the OS calls for puts, getkey, and the variable stuff (which might be a pain to change into something C-style code likes -- I don't know.)
[19:18:56] < hpb> What's I/O? A couple registers? Big deal.
[19:19:43] <@Andy_J> Not for text.
[19:19:53] <+patz2009> I/O == Input/Output
[19:20:10] <@Andy_J> Especially if you want printf. The 83+ family OS has nothing of the sort.
[19:20:17] < hpb> Of course not.
[19:20:23] <@Andy_J> puts is easily mapped to an OS call
[19:20:44]  * Randomist wonders if this is going to turn into another one of those long arguments.
[19:20:47] < hpb> Geez. I wouldn't even bother with an OS in a small critter.
[19:20:55] <@Andy_J> ok maybe it isn't as bad as I thought it'd be for simple stuff
[19:21:00] <@Andy_J> but if you want to do anythign with variables ...
[19:21:30] <@benryves> As someone late to the discussion, is this the "C on the TI-83+" chestnut? :\
[19:21:33] <@Andy_J> well, neither would I, but if we're dealing the a calculator we have to put up with what it already has
[19:22:14] < bsparks> benryves, same one every 4 or 5 months
[19:24:10]  * hpb wanders out for a bit.
[19:25:53]  * Nikky licks Andy_J 
[19:26:06]  * Randomist wonders if Vera will have C stuff?
[19:26:27] <@Andy_J> ... why does php have a str_rot13 built-in :|
[19:26:57] < Randomist> Good question... maybe someone got bored.
[19:27:24] <@benryves> Due to the PHP "design" policy that states that it should have a function for everything, I suppose. :)
[19:29:16] <@Andy_J> oh, right, php is silly and the function I want is strpos
[19:29:39] <+Nikky> Perl kicks PHP in the face.
[19:31:07] < Randomist> I think someone just insulted me in C++...
[19:31:24] < i_c-Y> oh?
[19:32:06] < i_c-Y> when you think about it though, printf is an elaborate function
[19:32:42] <@Andy_J> yes, it is
[19:32:55] <@Andy_J> I would not want to implement it in z80 assembly
[19:33:23] < i_c-Y> Andy_J: its not exactly a party to fully implement it in C without using varg lists and what not either.
[19:34:02] <@benryves> I'm not really sure why people single out C as an alternative language for the Z80.
[19:34:17] < Randomist> At last it's not QuickBASIC.
[19:34:25] <+patz2009> >_>
[19:34:27]  * Randomist peers at Rema Boss.
[19:34:44] <@benryves> Randomist: Meaning?
[19:35:21] <@Andy_J> benryves: yeah, they should be using Pascal.
[19:35:43] <@benryves> All hail the mighty wang operator.
[19:35:50] <@Andy_J> ... maybe I'll make the pascal- compiler we're writing for compilers class target 83+ as well as whatever we're SUPPOSED to target
[19:36:11] <@Andy_J> I think we're supposed to do x86 but we really haven't nailed anyting down
[19:36:17]  * Randomist lets someone else answer that question
[19:36:30] < i_c-Y> there are z80 C compilers out there already of course
[19:36:49] < Randomist> And they all xu.
[19:37:32] <@benryves> QB (or any other similar low-level BASIC) could possibly be easier to write an implementation of for the Z80. BBC BASIC already has a Z80 version, and Sega BASIC ran on the Z80 at least.
[19:37:50] < i_c-Y> if someone really cared, they could take one of the old z80 toolchains and compilers and fit it for the calculator assuming they knew enough assembly.
[19:38:15]  * Randomist looks at BrandonW.
[19:38:23] <@benryves> They already exist, i_c-Y (as in, TI-83-series targetting C compilers).
[19:38:33] < i_c-Y> yeah, i know.
[19:38:52] < i_c-Y> there were also a lot of em just for other z80 things.
[19:39:00] <@benryves> (Not that there's a whole lot of point to them, IMO).
[19:40:10] < Randomist> Noo... 
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[19:40:14] <@efneTI86> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[19:41:20] <+sgm> FORTH might be the right idea, because it's popular for 6502.
[19:41:34] < i_c-Y> lets not...
[19:42:42] < i_c-Y> either way, i dont care - the 68k calculators are awesomer 
[19:43:13]  * Randomist wishes he had one.
[19:43:38] < Randomist> I'd trade my 83+ SE for an 89T. :)
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[20:01:42] <@efneTI86> [Spengo\__] We do what we must because we can
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[20:09:39] < Spengo\__> lol have you guys seen pics of the 9800gx2?
[20:09:46] < Spengo\__> that thing is HUGE
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[20:14:55] <+ports> so is my cock
[20:15:12] <+ports> the hubble telescope identified it as america's 2nd peninsula
[20:15:54] < aardvarq> that's just cause mexico is an isthmus
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[20:20:56] < i_c-Y> har har.
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[20:22:18] < prime38> aardvarq
[20:22:23] < prime38> server!
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[20:24:28] < i_c-Y> looks like ze spammers are comming!
[20:25:01] < aardvarq> !k dpdidp
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[20:27:26] < prime38> aardvarq: can we get this set up, or is the deal off the table?
[20:27:38] < aardvarq> We can.
[20:27:49] < aardvarq> I think we can put you on nightshade, at least tentatively.
[20:28:05] < aardvarq> But you would have to pay for that.
[20:28:20] < prime38> ok
[20:28:32] < prime38> what happens after the tentative period
[20:28:40] < aardvarq> If you don't wanna pay, I'll have to find a garage solution.
[20:29:19] < aardvarq> If it works, great. If it doesn't, we find another solution. If we can't, you get your money back.
[20:29:49] < prime38> that sounds good. what does a garage solution entail
[20:29:52] < i_c-Y> what is this, aardvarq 's hosting services?
[20:29:56] < prime38> yes
[20:30:19] < i_c-Y> web or shell or what?
[20:30:21] < aardvarq> Finding someone with spare cycles.
[20:30:35] < aardvarq> None of my machines are beefy enough.
[20:31:13] < prime38> what kind of cost would we be talking about
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[20:31:58] <+Tari> ..why, zilog?
[20:32:16] <+Tari> what is the use of MLT SP (which multiplies the high and low bytes of SP together)
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[20:32:34] < aardvarq> whoops, did I hit a civilian
[20:32:47] <@Grue> lol
[20:33:13] <+patz2009> A mere casuality
[20:33:13] < aardvarq> can anyone verify that hqat was not a bot?
[20:33:26] <+Tari> yeah
[20:33:28] <+patz2009> I don't think he was.
[20:33:30] <@Grue> Boo botnets
[20:33:34] <+Tari> it's he the one writing a CAS?
[20:33:38] <+Tari> *isn't
[20:33:39] < aardvarq> Has he ever spoken?
[20:33:43] <+patz2009> many times
[20:33:46] < i_c-Y> HQAT isnt a bot.
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[20:33:55] < i_c-Y> he is the one writing the CAS.
[20:34:28] < aardvarq> Wish I could use regexps.
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[20:34:43] <+patz2009> Se, that was a spammer.
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[20:35:35] <+Tari> if say(nick)==garbage: ban(nick)
[20:36:19] < aardvarq> Yes, but that would hit innocent people too.
[20:36:28] < aardvarq> Heck, we have someone in here whose nick is totally non-sense.
[20:36:33] < i_c-Y> which is?
[20:36:37]  * aardvarq snickers
[20:36:48] < i_c-Y> i suppose its aardvarq then :)
[20:37:01] < prime38> i would say non-sense is non sense
[20:37:33] < aardvarq> Well someone's paying attention.
[20:38:09] < aardvarq> prime38: yeah, we can try this out on nightshade
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[20:38:37] < aardvarq> !visitors
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[20:40:29] < gfglgk> Iq_9_m9-C>0+[/-t)KH_i1ANq+:b5g#L\-Xt_2£.q5_4_L4RMt
[20:40:30] < gfglgk> n-5PZ1=3kU.6£R058_2_+gF_11Eyc§3J__$_4>/7*___%*d[|_
[20:40:30] < gfglgk> N)$-`i6:f*_8X=4?8`}zHh--W{£H{80EB-N86B_Q/5;0f~\p7}
[20:40:30] < gfglgk> Zg_2FF2$3B6<9_(&_tx}~x-f_7em\_-1z-_r4#WgDC__2?4;u_
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[20:40:40] <+patz2009>     wtf
[20:40:46] < aardvarq> why arent the bots banning
[20:41:04] -!- mode/#tcpa [-b *!*@222.Red-80-33-99.staticIP.rima-tde.net] by efneTI85
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[20:41:09] -!- mode/#tcpa [+b *!*@*.dyn.user.ono.com] by SnowCrash
[20:41:09] -!- cucfck was kicked from #tcpa by SnowCrash [Banned: spammer]
[20:41:17] <@Andy_J> wtf, we're +s
[20:41:18] < aardvarq> got one
[20:41:37] <@Grue> Didn't I say I hate botnets?
[20:41:51] <@Grue> And tht was before they came in en masse and started spamming
[20:41:56] < i_c-Y> i say we call in the power rangers.
[20:42:07] <@Grue> lol
[20:42:14] <@Andy_J> go go power rangers!
[20:43:28] < i_c-Y> !lastspoke Patrick11 
[20:43:30] <@efneTI86> Patrick11 last uttered a word on #tcpa 2 hours, 24 minutes ago.
[20:43:40] <@Grue> !lastspoke *
[20:43:42] <@efneTI86> efneTI86 last uttered a word on #tcpa 18 minutes ago.
[20:43:44] < i_c-Y> !lastspoke hpb
[20:43:46] <@efneTI86> hpb last uttered a word on #tcpa 1 hour, 19 minutes ago.
[20:43:47] <@Grue> Bwahahaha
[20:43:50] -!- mode/#tcpa [+o Nikky] by efneTI89
[20:43:51] <@Andy_J> !lastspoke efneTI86 
[20:43:51] <@efneTI86> Andy_J, must you waste my time?
[20:43:53] < i_c-Y> hai Nikky 
[20:43:57] <@Nikky> hai i_c-Y 
[20:44:00] < aardvarq> It's useless, cause it reports joins
[20:44:04] <@Grue> I know
[20:44:05] <@Grue> >:(
[20:44:08] < i_c-Y> yeah.
[20:44:09] <@Andy_J> Yeah, quite useless.
[20:44:12] <@Nikky> Andy_J is worthless.
[20:44:21] <@Andy_J> Damn straight.
[20:44:22] <@Grue> Takes one to know one Nikky!
[20:44:25] <@Grue> hah
[20:44:27] < i_c-Y> you know what we should do? we should blame this spam attack on annonymous under the direction of omnimaga.
[20:44:28] <@Andy_J> Also ^Grue.
[20:44:33] <@Grue> Nikky and Andy_J can go be worthless together
[20:44:34] < aardvarq> Why did ??????!~1??@*.* not hit gfglgk!~103@87.69.50.157.cable.012.net.il or vxvevd!~118@213.37.219.212.dyn.user.ono.com ???
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[20:44:36] < mdmgms> n-5PZ1=3kU.6£R058_2_+gF_11Eyc§3J__$_4>/7*___%*d[|_
[20:44:36] < mdmgms> N)$-`i6:f*_8X=4?8`}zHh--W{£H{80EB-N86B_Q/5;0f~\p7}
[20:44:37] < mdmgms> Zg_2FF2$3B6<9_(&_tx}~x-f_7em\_-1z-_r4#WgDC__2?4;u_
[20:44:37] < mdmgms> (v_-1kY_5)lb_o1Na7Sf_6|_6.J_9sk_3Fu#;-U1f_o¤lIY/_]
[20:44:38] < i_c-Y> !k mdmgms 
[20:44:38] < mdmgms> yodns5n8daJxk2vUapGO
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[20:44:42] < rirlrd> Iq_9_m9-C>0+[/-t)KH_i1ANq+:b5g#L\-Xt_2£.q5_4_L4RMt
[20:44:42] < rirlrd> n-5PZ1=3kU.6£R058_2_+gF_11Eyc§3J__$_4>/7*___%*d[|_
[20:44:43] < aardvarq> or that one?
[20:44:43] < rirlrd> N)$-`i6:f*_8X=4?8`}zHh--W{£H{80EB-N86B_Q/5;0f~\p7}
[20:44:44] < rirlrd> Zg_2FF2$3B6<9_(&_tx}~x-f_7em\_-1z-_r4#WgDC__2?4;u_
[20:44:44] < rirlrd> (v_-1kY_5)lb_o1Na7Sf_6|_6.J_9sk_3Fu#;-U1f_o¤lIY/_]
[20:44:44] < i_c-Y> !k rirlrd 
[20:44:44] < rirlrd> yodns5n8daJxk2vUapGO
[20:44:45] -!- mode/#tcpa [+b *!*114@210.221.44.*] by Andy_J
[20:44:45] < rirlrd> fHNkhrJZlRIqP9WWghPl
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[20:44:54] < fsfvfn> Iq_9_m9-C>0+[/-t)KH_i1ANq+:b5g#L\-Xt_2£.q5_4_L4RMt
[20:44:54] < fsfvfn> n-5PZ1=3kU.6£R058_2_+gF_11Eyc§3J__$_4>/7*___%*d[|_
[20:44:55] < fsfvfn> N)$-`i6:f*_8X=4?8`}zHh--W{£H{80EB-N86B_Q/5;0f~\p7}
[20:44:55] < i_c-Y> !k fsfvfn 
[20:44:55] -!- mode/#tcpa [+b *!~1??@*.*] by efneTI89
[20:44:55] -!- fsfvfn was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [i_c-Y]
[20:44:59] -!- mode/#tcpa [+b *!*102@61.57.135.*] by Grue
[20:45:00] < i_c-Y> combo!
[20:45:16]  * i_c-Y high 5's Grue 
[20:45:20] <@Grue> :)
[20:45:25] -!- Hunterkll [~Hunterkll@12.165.222.48] has joined #tcpa
[20:45:25] < aardvarq> Okay, that one should get them all, at hqat's expense!
[20:45:30] <+patz2009> C-C-C-C-Combo Breaker!
[20:45:39] < aardvarq> Whoever can tell me why that other ban doesn't work gets a cookie.
[20:45:42] < aardvarq> WHYA*@$)@*$$@
[20:45:45] < i_c-Y> heh. we could kick Hunterkll too - nobody would be any wiser
[20:45:53] <@Grue> Ah
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[20:45:54] -!- mode/#tcpa [+b *!*@*.cable.???.net.il] by efneTI86
[20:45:54] -!- bfbobp was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [Banned: spammer]
[20:45:54] < cgcpcq> Iq_9_m9-C>0+[/-t)KH_i1ANq+:b5g#L\-Xt_2£.q5_4_L4RMt
[20:45:55] < cgcpcq> n-5PZ1=3kU.6£R058_2_+gF_11Eyc§3J__$_4>/7*___%*d[|_
[20:45:55] < cgcpcq> N)$-`i6:f*_8X=4?8`}zHh--W{£H{80EB-N86B_Q/5;0f~\p7}
[20:45:56] < cgcpcq> Zg_2FF2$3B6<9_(&_tx}~x-f_7em\_-1z-_r4#WgDC__2?4;u_
[20:45:56] <@Andy_J> or look up his hostname
[20:45:56] < cgcpcq> (v_-1kY_5)lb_o1Na7Sf_6|_6.J_9sk_3Fu#;-U1f_o¤lIY/_]
[20:45:57] < cgcpcq> yodns5n8daJxk2vUapGO
[20:45:57] < cgcpcq> fHNkhrJZlRIqP9WWghPl
[20:45:58] < cgcpcq> FbIsp1dZQDcJmbkIgJIp
[20:45:58] < i_c-Y> !k cgcpcq 
[20:45:59] < cgcpcq> LV5BW16JpW4VoDM1yrVE
[20:45:59] < cgcpcq> LTVJwN9sI8xciTLoC4wn
[20:45:59] < cgcpcq> NTN5fynP104vP54qkpLq
[20:45:59] -!- cgcpcq was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [i_c-Y]
[20:46:01] <@Grue> Andy beat me to the exception
[20:46:03] -!- mode/#tcpa [+i] by Andy_J
[20:46:03] <@Grue> Ach
[20:46:04] <@Andy_J> ...
[20:46:11] <@Grue> Thanks
[20:46:11] <@Nikky> no, better solution
[20:46:13] <@Grue> I almost did that earlier
[20:46:15] <@Nikky> voice all +m
[20:46:15] <@Grue> Heh yeah
[20:46:19] <@Grue> Or that
[20:46:21] <@Andy_J> I like nikky's idea
[20:46:24] <@Nikky> +i too extreme
[20:46:28] -!- mode/#tcpa [-i+m] by Andy_J
[20:46:39] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v aardvarq] by efneTI89
[20:46:39] <+aardvarq> Why are my bans not hitting these people?
[20:46:44] -!- mode/#tcpa [+vvvv aardvarq al_zzzzzz asmand Barrett] by Andy_J
[20:46:45] <+blankie> • Thanks for the +v •
[20:46:45] -!- mode/#tcpa [+vv blankie bsparks] by Andy_J
[20:46:45] -!- mode/#tcpa [+vvvv moko|586 Hunterkll ryantmer nicolas] by Nikky
[20:46:45] -!- mode/#tcpa [+vvvv non-sense Spengo\__ V200 Patrick11] by Nikky
[20:46:45] -!- mode/#tcpa [+vvvv bsparks Patrick^D hpb blankie] by Nikky
[20:46:45] -!- mode/#tcpa [+vvvv smeaTRAIN mokomull DarkAuron Speler_] by Nikky
[20:46:46] -!- mode/#tcpa [+vvvv Speng0 prime38 TrN netham45_] by Nikky
[20:46:47] <@Grue> your ban was 1??
[20:46:48] -!- mode/#tcpa [-vvv blankie smeaTRAIN netham45_] by Remius, SnowCrash, efneTI92, efneTI83
[20:46:48] -!- mode/#tcpa [+vvvv Netham45 Randomist E-JL Leofox] by Nikky
[20:46:50] -!- mode/#tcpa [-vvvv blankie smeaTRAIN netham45_ Netham45] by efneTI86, efneTI85, efneTI89, efneTI81, etaonrish
[20:46:50] -!- mode/#tcpa [+vv i_c-Y Perryman] by Nikky
[20:46:52] <@Grue> those recent ones were 1?
[20:46:53] -!- mode/#tcpa [-v Netham45] by Remius, SnowCrash, efneTI83, efneTI92
[20:46:54] <@Nikky> ...
[20:46:58] <+patz2009> xD Netham45
[20:46:59] <@Andy_J> ha
[20:46:59] <@Grue> lol
[20:47:02] <@Grue> pwnt
[20:47:03] <@Andy_J> they don't get to talk
[20:47:13] <+aardvarq> Grue 9? and I set that too. :)
[20:47:16] <+i_c-Y> who are smeaTRAIN and blankie 
[20:47:27] <@Nikky> dunno, but blankie sent me a message "thanks for the voice!"
[20:47:35] <@Grue> lame script
[20:47:38] <+Randomist> Holy crap, WTF?
[20:47:43] <+patz2009> (3:53:34 PM) blankie: ? Thanks for the +v ?
[20:47:43]  * Grue blames Randomist 
[20:47:45] <+i_c-Y> maybe we should !k em ... they might be infadels. 
[20:47:47] <@Grue> It's all his falt
[20:47:49] <+i_c-Y> infidels*
[20:47:55] <+Randomist> No wonder my game kept jerking.
[20:48:03] -!- cgcpcq [~99@151.67.199.240] has joined #tcpa
[20:48:05] <+Randomist> What's my fault?
[20:48:09] -!- mode/#tcpa [+b *!*99@151.67.199.*] by Grue
[20:48:09] -!- cgcpcq was kicked from #tcpa by Grue [cgcpcq]
[20:48:10] <+i_c-Y> !k cgcpcq 
[20:48:11] -!- mode/#tcpa [+b *!*@*.dyn.optonline.net] by efneTI89
[20:48:11] -!- Speler_ was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI92 [Banned: spammer]
[20:48:17] <@Grue> lol
[20:48:18] <@Andy_J> ...
[20:48:19] <@Grue> collateral damage
[20:48:29] <+patz2009> ...
[20:48:30] <+prime38> i'll vouch for speler_
[20:48:37] <@Grue> we can always use exceptions
[20:48:38] -!- mode/#tcpa [-b *!*@*.dyn.optonline.net] by efneTI89
[20:48:38] <@Andy_J> Randomist: It's always either your fault or Netham's fault.
[20:48:44] <+i_c-Y> set an exept on his ident
[20:49:00] <+sgm> First, third, and fifth letters are always the same.  If that means anything.
[20:49:05] <+Randomist> Something was my fualt last time, so it is his turn this time.
[20:49:19] <+i_c-Y> he has clones.
[20:49:23] <@Andy_J> sgm: efnet doesn't have extbans
[20:49:29] <+i_c-Y> !k netham45_ 
[20:49:29] -!- netham45_ was kicked from #tcpa by efneTI86 [i_c-Y]
[20:49:34] <@Nikky> It must be #tcpa's fault!
[20:49:36] <@Nikky> Oh wait...
[20:49:45] <@Grue> haha
[20:50:43] <@Grue> too bad we can't just ban !*~XX*@*.* (i.e X being a number only) regex would be so helpful
[20:51:01] <+bsparks> omgjustfukinstoplololol
[20:51:05]  * Grue grumbles the inadequacy of the IRC protocol
[20:51:08] <@Nikky> Oh, I see... Andy_J voiced people the same time I did. :)
[20:51:13] <@Andy_J> that last one is from italy
[20:51:24] <@Nikky> So?
[20:51:25] <@Andy_J> Grue: yeah, unrealircd would be nice for that
[20:51:28] <@Andy_J> Just commenting
[20:51:29] <+Hunterkll> what de fu?!
[20:51:32] <@Andy_J> I know one was from .il
[20:51:34]  * Grue blames Hunterkll 
[20:51:35] <@Andy_J> so there isn't much patter
[20:51:38] <@Andy_J> n
[20:51:41] <+Hunterkll> o.o
[20:51:46] <@Grue> There rarely are with botnets
[20:51:52] <@Grue> We're actually lucky the idents are all so similar
[20:51:52] <@Grue> Heh
[20:51:54] <+prime38> .it is italy
[20:52:01] <@Nikky> .it is information technology
[20:52:03] <@Grue> When I see botnet attacks it's usually random alphanumeric for ident and nick
[20:52:13] <@Grue> You're .it!
[20:52:16] <@Grue> Okay, okay, lame joke
[20:52:27] <@Nikky> You're lame
[20:52:58] <@Grue> I learned from you :D
[20:53:00] <+patz2009> What botnet is targeting #tcpa and why?
[20:53:08] <+i_c-Y> there are lilttle add on scripts to some irc clients for regex bans
[20:53:12] <+i_c-Y> i know mirc has atleast one
[20:53:16] <@Nikky> It probably just joined random 4 letter channels
[20:53:22] <+i_c-Y> patz2009: who has a vendetta with the #tcpa?
[20:53:42] <@Nikky> Anyway champs
[20:53:45] <+i_c-Y> why omnimaga of course. he must be behind this!
[20:53:51] <+patz2009> i_c-Y++
[20:53:53] <+patz2009> haha
[20:53:56] <@Nikky> This voice system will work fine for now. :)
[20:54:08] <+Randomist> Oh, wait... that actually could be my fault.
[20:54:10] <@Nikky> Everyone who joins and isn't voiced can do it for themselves
[20:54:15] <@Grue> ORLY?
[20:54:16] <+i_c-Y> you see, if you take every 4th bot's letter or something you get JUST FUCKIN STOP
[20:54:20]  * Grue runs after Randomist with a flaming spork
[20:54:22] <+i_c-Y> Randomist: explain yourself.
[20:54:27] <@Grue> lol i_c-Y 
[20:54:31] <@Nikky> Tribunal now in session.
[20:54:54] <+Randomist> 'Cause of what I did in Omnimaga that got me banned there forever and here for four hours.
[20:55:07] <+Hunterkll> We're having an anonymous convention
[20:55:08] <+Hunterkll> =/
[20:55:12] <+Randomist> Wit hthat whole #TCPA rules thing.
[20:55:16] <@Andy_J> So you're volunteering yourself for a ban?
[20:55:19] <+Hunterkll> nametags say " Hi, my name is anonymous "
[20:55:45] -!- mode/#tcpa [+o aardvarq] by efneTI89
[20:55:45] <@Nikky> We can't prove anything.
[20:55:57] -!- mode/#tcpa [-mov aardvarq aardvarq] by aardvarq
[20:56:00] <@Nikky> EXCEPT THAT AARDVARQ SUCKS
[20:56:02] <@Nikky> :)
[20:56:04] <+i_c-Y> :)
[20:56:10] < aardvarq> !k Nikky caps
[20:56:16] -!- mode/#tcpa [-b *!*@*.dyn.user.ono.com] by efneTI83, efneTI86, efneTI81, efneTI92, efneTI89
[20:56:21] <+patz2009> Wrong script.
[20:56:44] -!- mode/#tcpa [-o Nikky] by Nikky
[20:56:46] < aardvarq> Oh, I figured out why my bans don't work.
[20:56:57] < aardvarq> Bots don't see ~ as matching in ident. I forgot.
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[20:57:57] -!- mode/#tcpa [-b *!*@*.cable.???.net.il] by efneTI89, etaonrish
[20:58:34] -!- Andy_J changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome to #tcpa | http://tcpa.calcg.org | Worship BrandonW, the USB god, he has gotten the USB mass storage calculator to work. | Bad idea to spam when 4 ops a
[20:58:38] <@Andy_J> Damn.
[20:58:40] <+Nikky> fail
[20:58:46] -!- Andy_J changed the topic of #tcpa to: Welcome! | http://tcpa.calcg.org | Worship BrandonW, the USB god, he has gotten the USB mass storage calculator to work. | Bad idea to spam when 4 ops are activ
[20:58:49] <+Nikky> fail
[20:58:50] <@Andy_J> Close enough.
[20:58:57] <+Randomist> 'r active?"
[20:59:02] <+Nikky> We need a CAN SPAM act.
[20:59:11] <+Nikky> First step? Killing Netham45 
[20:59:13] < aardvarq> Well. Depending upon their objective, they may have succeeded.
[20:59:14]  * Grue CANs Nikky 
[20:59:17] <+Nikky> That's the only step, really.
[20:59:22] <@Grue> Haha
[20:59:27]  * Randomist agrees with Nikky .
[20:59:34] <@Grue> Somebody quote that
[21:00:03] -!- mode/#tcpa [-bbb *!*114@210.221.44.* *!~1??@*.* *!*102@61.57.135.*] by efneTI85
[21:00:08] -!- Randomist [~Randeimos@74.197.113.241] has quit [Quit: Harsh generation, / We'll tear your world apart / Sign of the times, / This is the coming of a new kind...]
[21:00:09] <+i_c-Y> !qadd <+Nikky> We need a CAN SPAM act. | <+Nikky> First step? Killing Netham45 | <+Nikky> That's the only step, really.
[21:00:11] <@efneTI86> Quote 1230 added
[21:03:17] -!- mode/#tcpa [-b *!*99@151.67.199.*] by Remius, efneTI81, efneTI83, efneTI89, efneTI92, efneTI86
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[21:03:56] <+i_c-Y> theres another one!
[21:04:01] <+bsparks> omg!
[21:04:02] <+i_c-Y> k Randomist 
[21:04:05] <+i_c-Y> ;)
[21:04:07] < Randomist> o.o
[21:04:10] <+bsparks> l Randomist 
[21:04:15] < aardvarq> does V200 or non-sense ever speak?
[21:04:24] <+i_c-Y> V200 is Barrett 's log bot.
[21:04:25] < Randomist> no.
[21:04:32] < Randomist> And GTK solicits stuff.
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[21:04:57] <+V200> huh?
[21:05:11]  * aardvarq hands V200 a botsnack
[21:05:48] <+V200> nom nom nom
[21:05:54] < aardvarq> V200: are you Barrett's?
[21:05:58] < Randomist> He lives?
[21:06:19] <@Andy_J> yeah, that runs on the calcg.org box IIRC
[21:06:36] <+V200> and I am not a bot
[21:06:40] <@Andy_J> I think Nikky has access to it too?
[21:06:58] <+patz2009> Who else ever talks as one of the bots?
[21:07:05] <+patz2009> Of course Nikky has access to it.
[21:07:08] <@efneTI89> nobody
[21:07:22] <@efneTI89> thats who
[21:07:28] <@Andy_J> The bots are sentient, didn't you know that?
[21:07:32] < Randomist> I don't know who nobody is, efneTI89.
[21:07:42] <+patz2009> seen nobody
[21:07:43] <@efneTI86> I don't know who nobody is.
[21:07:55] < aardvarq> !qfind botsnack
[21:07:57] <@efneTI86> 535:Andy_J: <+prime38> anybody still up | <+prime38> anybody at all? | <+prime38> ok i will talk to the bots | <+prime38> so efneTI89 how does it feel to just +v people all day long? | <@efneTI89> it's a living | <@efneTI89> puts the botsnacks on the table for the botlings if you know what I mean
[21:08:01] <@efneTI86> (All of 1 match)
[21:09:28] <@SnowCrash> Need more botsnacks.
[21:10:00]  * Randomist gives SnowCrash a more botsnacks.
[21:10:10] < Randomist> more
[21:10:36] -!- mode/#tcpa [-v V200] by efneTI81, efneTI89
[21:10:44] -!- mode/#tcpa [-v V200] by efneTI86, Remius, SnowCrash, efneTI85, etaonrish, efneTI92, efneTI83
[21:11:08] <+Barrett> why did V200 have +v in the first place?
[21:11:21] <+patz2009> Nikky's awesome idea.
[21:11:39] < aardvarq> Should v200 have +v?
[21:11:48] <+patz2009> <Nikky> voice all +m
[21:11:49] <+Barrett> not that I'm aware
[21:12:33] <+Barrett> it just sits there...
[21:14:13] < Randomist> Maybe people thar don't speak in more than a week should lose +v?
[21:14:30] < Randomist> that
[21:14:43] < aardvarq> !qsay 1218
[21:14:45] <@efneTI86> 1218: <Nikky> Nothing wrong with nude ice cream fights. [Added BrandonW at 2008/03/07 18:18]
[21:15:08] <+patz2009> !qfind I'll do it for
[21:15:09] <@efneTI86> 1216:patz2009: <Nikky> I'll do it for 50 bucks.
[21:15:11] <@efneTI86> (All of 1 match)
[21:15:19] < Randomist> o.o
[21:15:39]  * Randomist questions Nikky's 'linearality.'
[21:16:23] < Randomist> This is why this channel needs moar womoen.
[21:16:29] < Randomist> women
[21:16:47] <+patz2009> seen tahben
[21:16:47] <@efneTI86> tahben was last on IRC channel #tcpa 24 days, 18 hours, 3 minutes ago.
[21:17:10] < aardvarq> !qfind blood
[21:17:11] <@efneTI86> 1213:DarkAuron: <BrandonW> The community needs new blood. | <DrDnar> From the females!? | <i_c-Y> its kinda like milking a cow | <i_c-Y> we just have to harvest it | <BrandonW> I just want it known that i_c-Y wants to harvest and collect menstrual blood.
[21:17:15] <@efneTI86> 837:DarkAuron: <Zeromus> I want a bloody 84+SE | <Nikky> Dunno if the red would go with their ipod styling | * DSP_Lord stabs MV and rubs a 84+SE in the blood | <DSP_Lord> nnow it's unholy! | <Nikky> And will throw itself at people who curse
[21:17:19] <@efneTI86> 422:Andy_J: <Remboooo> thou shalt enter the new year with gallons of alcohol in thou blood stream | <Andy_J> gallons? | <Andy_J> can you say alcohol poisoning? :P | <Remboooo> i can now.. don't know how that'll be in about an hour
[21:17:22] <@efneTI86> (All of 3 matches)
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[21:17:48] <@Grue> hahah
[21:18:01] <+patz2009> aardy: Your banning scripts aren't working.
[21:18:13]  * Randomist wonders what his best quote is.
[21:18:29] <+patz2009> !qfind !qfind Randomist
[21:18:30] <@efneTI86> 1180:patz2009: <patz2009> we seriously need a rule against !qfind <nick> | <i_c-Y> when people want to read intelligent quotes, all they have to do is !qfind i_c-Y | <i_c-Y> and when people want to preview the Darwin Awards 2010, all they have to do is !qfind Randomist | <i_c-Y> and when people want to listen to the ramblings of a random idiot, !qfind Netham45 | <i_c-Y> so it should not be banned. | <Netham45> at least I'm not going to go darwin 
[21:18:35] <@efneTI86> (All of 1 match)
[21:18:43] < prime38> wow
[21:18:52] < prime38> first line of the quote
[21:19:08] <@Andy_J> it's funny because it's true
[21:19:15] <+patz2009> No, I did !qfind !qfind nick, not !qfind nick
[21:19:29] < prime38> ahh yea
[21:19:49] <+patz2009> But, yes. It was quoted for truth.
[21:20:15] < Randomist> I'm still up for the Darwin Awards?
[21:20:29] <+patz2009> !qfind Randomist
[21:20:29] <@efneTI86> 1183:Ox40: <i_c-Y> if Merthsoft , Netham45 , Ox40 and Randomist and myself were on a raft in the middle of the ocean, I'd destroy the raft to save humanity, even if i die myself.
[21:20:32] <@efneTI86> 1150:abbrev: <Randomist> There's an option in the BIOS called 'Spread Spectrum' - what does that do? | <BrandonW> It spreads the spectrum... | <BrandonW> Duh.
[21:20:35] <@efneTI86> 1220:Andy_J: <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!! | < Kira> There is no spoon! | <+Sir_Lewk> The cake is a lie! | < Randomist> The Spoon is in the Cake.
[21:20:38] <@efneTI86> (Plus 21 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=Randomist&channel=tcpa&search=search)
[21:20:46] <+patz2009> Do any of those prove it to you, Randomist?
[21:21:52] < Randomist> No, 'cause they don't involve me doin' anything deadly.
[21:21:59] < aardvarq> the first one does
[21:22:07] < Randomist> 'Cept bumbin' idodcy.
[21:22:15] < Randomist> idiocy
[21:22:48] < Netham45> 1037 is deadly
[21:22:52] < Randomist> He should of made me the random idiot and Netham45 the guy with a computer problem every second.
[21:23:17] <+patz2009> !qsay 1037
[21:23:18] <@efneTI86> 1037: <Telroth> Randomist, ok, but this is how things go: <Channel> put the gun down, you're going to shoot yourself in the foot | <Randomist> But I won't! | * Randomist shoots himself in the foot | <Randomist> Ow!  Help! [Added Nikky at 2007/09/13 20:23]
[21:23:46] <@Andy_J> !qsay 403
[21:23:46] <@efneTI86> 403: <Michael_V> Yes...my cousin's mother's sister's son-in-law had a calculator and one time he wrote some code from the internet that was supposed to give him more memory but then I heard that his code actually triggered sinusoidal waves in the MPU and that lead to a polarity shift in the flash memory, destroying odd numbered cells. [Added DrDnar at 2005/12/19 22:42]
[21:23:48] <@Andy_J> er
[21:23:51] < Randomist> You win.
[21:23:52] <@Andy_J> !qsay 405
[21:23:53] <@efneTI86> 405: Resource not allowed [Added Andy_J at 2005/12/20 20:14]
[21:25:09] <+i_c-Y> !qsay 404
[21:25:11] <@efneTI86> Couldn't find quote 404
[21:25:14] <+i_c-Y> :)
[21:25:18] <+i_c-Y> !qsay 2934293
[21:25:19] <@efneTI86> Couldn't find quote 2934293
[21:25:22] <@Andy_J> !qsay 406
[21:25:23] <@efneTI86> 406: Not Acceptable [Added Andy_J at 2005/12/20 20:14]
[21:25:31] <+i_c-Y> !qsay 9000
[21:25:33] <@efneTI86> Couldn't find quote 9000
[21:25:39] <+patz2009> !qsay 410
[21:25:41] <@efneTI86> Couldn't find quote 410
[21:25:43] < prime38> some of the deleted quotes were quite funny too
[21:25:46] <+i_c-Y> oh , thats because the quote is over 9000 of course.
[21:26:04] <@Andy_J> 17:32:46 <@Andy_J> !qsay 301
[21:26:04] <@Andy_J> 17:32:47 <+efneTI84> Q#301 - Moved Permanently\nLocation: !q 302
[21:26:06] <+patz2009> !qsay 999
[21:26:07] <@efneTI86> 999: <patz2009> i'm afraid that if I go to sleep i'll miss the 1000th quote [Added chronomex at 2007/08/25 21:57]
[21:26:57] < prime38> ok aardvarq, lets get this rolling
[21:27:13] <@Andy_J> !qfind oxford
[21:27:14] <@efneTI86> 1083:Andy_J: <i_c-Y> Ox40: you make randomist look like he belongs in oxford. | * Randomist has joined #tcpa | <i_c-Y> speak of the devil | <i_c-Y> Randomist: have you considered applying to oxford? | <Randomist> No. | <i_c-Y> consider it.
[21:27:18] <@efneTI86> (All of 1 match)
[21:28:09] < Randomist> Aw, man.
[21:28:18] < Randomist> I said I was gonna be done by the end of Spring Break.
[21:30:08] <+patz2009> Randomist: With what? Applying to Oxford?
[21:30:19] <+patz2009> :)
[21:31:24] < Randomist> The ASM
[21:31:32] < Randomist> * Captioneer
[21:33:40] < Randomist> Yay, a Gentoo user that is not a guy:  http://www.revsoft.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=764&start=45
[21:33:50] < Randomist> Or lol.
[21:34:24] < Randomist> Damn z80 Editor.
[21:35:58] <+i_c-Y> sounds like a total tool.
[21:36:11] <+i_c-Y> sounds like they need to go on funroll-loops.info sooner or later.
[21:37:45] < Randomist> She lies... Arch Linux got broken stuff in their repos
[21:37:57] < Randomist> 'Specially in the one you got to build.
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[22:13:09] <+BrandonW> I don't know anything about IRC so I don't know how to find this out for myself, but is the channel +m?
[22:15:02] <+chronomex> it isn't
[22:15:07] <@Andy_J> It was briefly.
[22:15:30] <@Andy_J> You can enter simply "/mode #tcpa" to get a list of current modes.
[22:15:38] <+BrandonW> I saw some weird spamming action earlier, -i+m, and most people are voiced, so I was curious.
[22:16:36] <+BrandonW> And the ones not voiced right now are either uber powerful so it doesn't matter, or we don't like them.
[22:17:13] <+BrandonW> Mostly.
[22:17:22] <+chronomex> BrandonW: how did your hacknite go?
[22:17:38] <+BrandonW> I wanted to get breakfast, but all I could do was make it to the bed. I just woke up.
[22:18:09] <+chronomex> ah
[22:18:11] <+BrandonW> Driver is stable as an empty read-only drive, Windows is happy with it.
[22:18:13] <+chronomex> I went to Fry's today
[22:18:16] <+chronomex> I _hate_ that place
[22:18:17] <+BrandonW> I'm planning out the FAT12 structure right now.
[22:18:33] <+chronomex> got two USBA F/F gender changers
[22:19:16] <+chronomex> took me an hour to find them :\
[22:19:27] <+BrandonW> What for?
[22:19:33] <+BrandonW> Extension cables?
[22:19:37] <+chronomex> yeah
[22:19:52] <+chronomex> basically, I'm an idiot
[22:21:23] <+BrandonW> So what's wrong with Fry's?
[22:22:26] <+chronomex> it's crowded, loud, the prices suck, and their selection is broad in all the wrong places
[22:23:16] <+chronomex> do you know where I can get a PCMCIA GPS receiver?
[22:25:12] <+BrandonW> Nope.
[22:26:38] <+chronomex> the people at fry's didn't even know they existed >_<
[22:28:22] <+BrandonW> It's kind of an odd thing to want.
[22:29:54] <+chronomex> sure
[22:29:59] <+chronomex> but it'd be perfect for wardriving
[22:30:14] <+BrandonW> Oh, I was talking about the USB adapter.
[22:30:22] <+chronomex> ah
[22:31:01] <+chronomex> on newegg it's $200 for a CF GPS receiver and $40 for the CF-PCMCIA adapter :\
[22:31:45] <+chronomex> back to USB
[22:31:54] <+chronomex> where do you find a cable with an A-end anyway?
[22:31:56] <+chronomex> ??????
[22:32:04] <+chronomex> I'm running out of places to look
[22:32:07] <+BrandonW> To adapt the mini-AB connector to A?
[22:32:20] <+BrandonW> On the 89Ti.
[22:32:47] <+BrandonW> You can make one with your unit-to-unit cable and an old USB extension cable (which you probably have enough to do now), or from serialio.com.
[22:32:51] <+chronomex> yes, whatever you did
[22:32:55] <+BrandonW> I did both.
[22:33:16] <+BrandonW> You won't find that in a store unless you get one of those kits.
[22:33:26] <+BrandonW> With a male A<->male A cable and a bunch of adapters.
[22:33:32] <+BrandonW> Or whatever it is.
[22:33:38] <+BrandonW> I have a couple of them.
[22:34:10] <+chronomex> ok
[22:34:10] <+chronomex> I think I'll buy online
[22:34:48] <+BrandonW> It's like $14 to get that cable after shipping, but it's definitely quality, I can attest to that.
[22:35:31] <+chronomex> cool
[22:35:39] <+BrandonW> Is it so wrong to want a format a flash drive as FAT12?
[22:36:02] <+i_c-Y> yes
[22:37:24] <+i_c-Y> chronomex: did you check google checkout / froogle?
[22:37:46] <+chronomex> wow, even vetco doesn't have it
[22:37:51] <+i_c-Y> http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A0396886&cs=19&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=28139&lid=644117
[22:38:14] <+i_c-Y> (highlihgts seems to state it works in other devices than the dell)
[22:38:42] <+i_c-Y> and why dont you just buy an old pcmcia card and just do hte pinout from cf to pcmcia yourself?
[22:38:51] <+chronomex> that's an adapter, not a receiver
[22:39:02] <+patz2009> BrandonW: Can you not make it fake as FAT16?
[22:39:09] <+BrandonW> Harder that way.
[22:39:15] <+BrandonW> I'm dealing with a very little amount of memory to cache.
[22:39:20] <+BrandonW> As it is, I'm using every RAM page.
[22:40:44] <+i_c-Y> http://www.gpscheap.com/showproduct.aspx?productid=655&affiliateid=10050 o.o
[22:40:57] <+i_c-Y> you could ebay too
[22:42:32] <+chronomex> froogle gives http://www.pcuniverse.com/product.asp?pid=4317192&m_id=32 and http://www.pcuniverse.com/product.asp?pid=3738353&m_id=32  (A and B in that order)
[22:43:13] <+BrandonW> This could be bad.
[22:43:18] <+BrandonW> I might run past one app page.
[22:43:30] <+patz2009> It would be worth it.
[22:43:30] <+chronomex> that'd be uncool
[22:43:43] <+BrandonW> Anyone with an 84+ or 84+SE has a ton of memory, anyway.
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[22:44:24] <+patz2009> BrandonW: This WILL be compatible with the 84+, right? I mean, we only have 1/3 of the flash you lucky SE users have.
[22:44:35] <+BrandonW> Yes.
[22:44:44] <+patz2009> Alrighty then :)
[22:44:51] <+BrandonW> Same requirements as usb8x.
[22:44:54] <+BrandonW> Only no special cable.
[22:45:10] < Randomist> Oh... I'm gonna forget all this stuff if I don't finish i
[22:46:09] < Randomist> Could have been done by the time I found a z80 editor with enough one-click features.
[22:46:30] <+BrandonW> I think you should stop worrying over the editor and get the code in there.
[22:48:08] <+chronomex> ^^^
[22:51:20] < Randomist> i'm surprised that guy  is not posting war declration or whatever on unitdti
[22:51:43] <+chronomex> who, kevin o?
[22:52:07] < Randomist> Wrong window, but yes.
[22:52:58] <+BrandonW> What's he done now?
[22:53:10] <+i_c-Y> well he spammed us a bit earlier ;)
[22:53:18] <+BrandonW> Are you saying that was him?
[22:53:24] <+i_c-Y> of course not.
[22:53:35] <+i_c-Y> if it were him, hed leave his signature JUST FUCKIN STOP
[22:53:49] < Randomist> i say iw as him about 90 percent
[22:53:54] < Randomist> or netham
[22:55:17] <@Andy_J> actually I checked the logs the other day and he always used FUCKING with  the g
[22:55:18] < Randomist> I say it was
[22:55:48] <+BrandonW> What's with you, Randomist? I know you don't type like that.
[22:56:10] <+BrandonW> I smell impostor.
[22:56:22] <@Grue> You smell
[22:56:29] <+BrandonW> That's true.
[22:56:35] <@Andy_J> It's not, though.
[22:56:38] <@Andy_J> That's the proper IP for him.
[22:56:48] <+BrandonW> I mean, someone else could be sitting at his machine.
[22:57:18] < Randomist> 5 min lockout
[22:59:02] <+BrandonW> Ignore this guy until he starts typing like himself.
[23:00:21] <+chronomex> BrandonW: how soon can I expect my order to ship/arrive?
[23:00:32] <+BrandonW> I don't remember, I got it a couple of years ago.
[23:00:35] <+BrandonW> Not long.
[23:00:39] <+chronomex> o :| ok :)
[23:00:47] -!- Hunterkll [~Hunterkll@12.165.222.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[23:02:07] <+chronomex> sweet, they ship from CA
[23:02:59] -!- Randomist [~Randeimos@74.196.192.231] has quit [Quit: [Randomosity IRC:] guest_A049F0@randomosity.mine.nu has been banned by MetalRandomist@randomosity.mine.nu ().]
[23:03:26] <@Andy_J> ...
[23:03:43] <@Andy_J> Did that imply what I think it implied?
[23:03:46] <+chronomex> IMO he's a bit self-important
[23:03:59] <+patz2009> ...?
[23:04:00] <+chronomex> yes, he pretended to ban himself from IRC
[23:04:19] <@Andy_J> It implied that he was running some sort of proxy thing
[23:04:22] <@Andy_J> that lets anyone use it
[23:04:33] <+chronomex> oh my
[23:04:59] <@Andy_J> Not getting a response on http...
[23:05:05] <+chronomex> nmap it?
[23:05:43] <+patz2009> Andy_J: http://randomosity.mine.nu:8080
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[23:10:36] <+chronomex> look what my friend made: http://pentabarf.net/
[23:12:59] -!- _krisk_ [~user@d67146.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #tcpa
[23:13:03] -!- _krisk_ [~user@d67146.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Connection closed]
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[23:13:14] <+chronomex> !qfind krisk
[23:13:15] <@efneTI86> 1059:patz2009: [patz2009] The only time 3 breasts are greater than two is when you are counting them | <_krisk_> no not even them | <_krisk_> they are seperate from the usual mathematical logic | <_krisk_> something to do with attention and repulsion theories | <Spengo> what about a hot alien chick with 3 boobs? | <_krisk_> well they could have a different counting systems | <_krisk_> theirs might not count 4 as > 3
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[23:13:20] <@efneTI86> 1106:i_c-Y: <i_c-Y> i_c-Y: the next american patriot | <i_c-Y> :D | <i_c-Y> we'll see signs and stuff like that hanging off buildings soon | <_krisk_> today on america's next patriot: i_c-Y gets to stay on the island with yet another vote | <Spengo> i_c-Y's gonna free the shit outta you!
[23:13:24] <@efneTI86> (All of 2 matches)
[23:13:56] < _krisk_> <3
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[23:13:58] <+chronomex> !qfind !seen
[23:14:00] <@efneTI86> 872:Andy_J: <DSP_Lord> !seen phrenia | <@efneTI86> phrenia was last seen 64 days ago. | <Nikky> good riddance | <Peter_W> I was talking to him a few days ago | <Nikky> I'm sorry | <Andy_J> He IMs me once in a great while. | * phrenia has joined #tcpa | <phrenia> my ears are ringing
[23:14:04] <@efneTI86> 311:Kevin_O: [8:03] <Kevin_O>	!seen tr1p1ea [8:04] <Remius>	tr1p1ea (tr1p1ea@202.78.35.63) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 15 hours, 54 minutes ago stating (Client Quit). [8:04] <efneTI86>	tr1p1ea (tr1p1ea@202.78.35.63) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 15 hours, 54 minutes ago stating (Client Quit). [8:04] -->|	tr1p1ea (tr1p1ea@202.78.34.220) has joined #tcpa 
[23:14:09] <@efneTI86> 909:Andy_J: <+chronomex> !seen spengo | * Spengo (~Spengo@64.251.244.22) has joined #tcpa | <@efneTI86> Spengo (~Spengo@pool-71-111-180-110.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net) was last seen quitting from #tcpa 3 days, 2 hours, 19 minutes ago stating (SPOON!). | <@efneTI86> [Spengo] The Freeman honors us with his presence
[23:14:13] <@efneTI86> (Plus 1 more matches: http://tcpa.aardy.net/quotes/?filter=!seen&channel=tcpa&search=search)
[23:14:22] <+chronomex> I like that last one
[23:14:34] <@Andy_J> Randomist: explain thyself.
[23:14:34] <@Andy_J> 19:09:50 -!- Randomist [~Randeimos@74.196.192.231] has quit [Quit: [Randomosity IRC:] guest_A049F0@randomosity.mine.nu has been banned by MetalRandomist@randomosity.mine.nu ().]
[23:15:58] <@Andy_J> 311 has to go, horrible formatting
[23:20:18] <+BrandonW> I think it's obvious Randomist is testing some stupid script and is ignoring any and all attempts to communicate with us.
[23:20:21] <+BrandonW> So I say we just ban him.
[23:20:24] <+BrandonW> I'm tired of dealing with him.
[23:20:32]  * chronomex agrees
[23:20:46] <@Andy_J> Likewis.
[23:20:49] < _krisk_> lulz
[23:20:50] <@Andy_J> Likewise, too.
[23:20:51] < _krisk_> nothing has changed here
[23:20:54] <+BrandonW> We're just going to get fired up and then ban him.
[23:20:58] <+BrandonW> So we should just do it.
[23:21:00] <+BrandonW> Now.
[23:21:07] <@Andy_J> _krisk_: you haven't been here lately.
[23:21:19] <+BrandonW> He actually did change, but here we go again.
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[23:21:45] <@efneTI86> [Tyler2] I speak fluent dialup.
[23:22:00] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Tyler2] by efneTI92, efneTI89
[23:22:57] < _krisk_> I don't even know how long it's been but the first 10 minutes I'm in here I read about randomist pissing people off by having a script again
[23:23:10] < _krisk_> just saying it's lulz
[23:23:12] <@Andy_J> Bad timing.
[23:23:15] <@Andy_J> Or good.
[23:23:16] <+chronomex> it is
[23:23:48] <+chronomex> it's all therrerrree 
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[23:24:17] <+chronomex> three
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[23:25:06] <+BrandonW> When you ban him, can you make it stick across all the bot's channels? So we don't have to watch him part/join in the others.
[23:26:00] <+Barrett> BrandonW: I have already writtena  program that finds the FIRST set of any of the variables of a Grammar... I have some ideas, but what would you consider to be the easiest/quickest way to write a program to find the FOLLOW set of a variable? (utilizing my FIRST set program)
[23:26:18] <+BrandonW> I don't understand what that means.
[23:26:22] <@Andy_J> ugh, first and follow sets
[23:26:22] <+BrandonW> What's a "Grammar"?
[23:26:35] <@Andy_J> I know exactly what he's talking about, but I couldn't do it.
[23:26:41] <+BrandonW> I defer you to Andy_J!
[23:26:57] <+Barrett> but aren't you all-knowing, BrandonW?
[23:27:05] <@Andy_J> they aren't variables in a grammar anyway
[23:27:06] <+BrandonW> About the things I know.
[23:27:18] <@Andy_J> They're ... productions.
[23:27:23] <+Barrett> meh
[23:27:31] <+Barrett> I think both of my teachers refer to them as variables sometimes
[23:27:34] <@Andy_J> (That ... was me trying to remember)
[23:27:42] <+Barrett> I think you're right
[23:27:54] <+Barrett> and each production has one or more production rules
[23:28:20] <@Andy_J> I don't think you need the first set for the follow sets... ?
[23:28:40] <+Barrett> no, but you can find the follow set of a production by finding the first sets of the things that follow it
[23:28:49] <@Andy_J> oh, right
[23:28:56] <@Andy_J> wait
[23:28:57] <+Barrett> which is one of the ideas I had... just doing that
[23:29:06] <@Andy_J> to find the follow set you must first find the follow set?
[23:29:34] <+Barrett> no...
[23:29:57] <@Andy_J> If you use the first set of the stuff that follows it to find the follow set, that implies you already know the follow set!@
[23:30:33] <+Barrett> "stuff that follow" == productions and terminal symbols that follow a production in a production rule
[23:30:46] <@Andy_J> I suppose that could work
[23:30:57] <+BrandonW> So, this is all for a parser?
[23:31:04] <@Andy_J> I would assume so.
[23:31:10] <+Barrett> that's the kind of stuff this is used for, yes
[23:31:25] <+Barrett> but in this class we just deal with languages...
[23:31:33] <+Barrett> in fact, the other sections don't even program anything
[23:31:48] <@Andy_J> My group in our compilers class is not using that stuff >_> doing it the long way .. and honestly he hasn't shown us how to do the right way in practice anyway
[23:32:14] <+BrandonW> I never had a compilers class.
[23:32:31] <@Andy_J> I might make our Pascal- compiler target 83+ family for fun.
[23:32:44] <@Andy_J> It's a reasonably simple subset of Pascal.
[23:33:03] <+Barrett> in my other class that is sort of related to this one, we are making a datalog parser
[23:33:10] <+Barrett> which is more along the lines of relational databases
[23:34:51] < Randomist> [aMMo@randomosity.mine.nu]  you dumbass turn that back off
[23:35:08] < _krisk_> xom is amused
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[23:36:27] <+Barrett> ...
[23:36:49] <+Barrett> Randomist: why did that happen in both #tcpa and #calcgames ?
[23:36:50] <+BrandonW> For god's sakes, ban him.
[23:37:00] <+BrandonW> Five minutes and then I'm doing it myself.
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[23:37:44] <+i_c-Y> hm.
[23:37:59] < _krisk_> lu
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[23:38:10] < tifreak> lo
[23:38:17] < _krisk_> lu
[23:38:35] <+patz2009> Someone make me an op so I can ban Randomist :P
[23:38:53] < tifreak> where could one get some reliable forum software I can host on my own server??
[23:39:32] <+patz2009> Can you not use phpbb?
[23:39:53] <+Barrett> I have some forum software, but I would never consider it reliable
[23:40:03] <+i_c-Y> phpbb is good.
[23:40:06] < tifreak> well, looking to see what people suggest.. :P
[23:40:19] < tifreak> isnt phpbb up to version 3 now?
[23:40:31] <+patz2009> phpbb should be fine for whatever you're going to use it for.
[23:40:32] < _krisk_> latest ipb or phpbb
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[23:41:03] < _krisk_> maybe vbulletin
[23:41:08] <+patz2009> Randomist has his own IRC client on his page? gah.
[23:41:23] < _krisk_> I liked smf too
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[23:42:11] < tifreak> ok
[23:42:13] <+i_c-Y> ipb isnt free anymore
[23:42:13] < _krisk_> get any really, just make sure it's the latest or you might as well rm -rf / yourself
[23:42:16] <+i_c-Y> and neither is vbulletin.
[23:42:19] -!- mode/#tcpa [-b *!*Randeimos@74.19*] by efneTI81
[23:42:19]  * tifreak goes to look at some options then
[23:42:22] < _krisk_> doesnt mean you cant get it
[23:43:48] < tifreak> heh
[23:44:03] < tifreak> well.. I need to come up with something that I can set up on my forums.. using dialup :/
[23:44:31] < _krisk_> you need a forum to set up on your forums?
[23:44:47] < tifreak> no, my forums no longer exist at this moment
[23:44:52] < _krisk_> ok
[23:44:57] < tifreak> invisionfree is gone
[23:45:00] < _krisk_> well what are you familiar with? might as well use that right
[23:45:20] < tifreak> have been using invisionfree for the last couple years
[23:45:29] < tifreak> gonna see if my host has any options
[23:45:38] < tifreak> they have a bunch of stuff that is set up with the click of a button
[23:45:56] < _krisk_> yeah that's pretty handy
[23:46:39] < _krisk_> I see ipb2.3.4 on usenet, 2.3.3 on torrenttrackers
[23:46:57] < _krisk_> 10.6mb
[23:47:44] < _krisk_> could have someone with something faster than dialup upload for you ; )
[23:49:26] < tifreak> lol
[23:49:28] < tifreak> i know
[23:49:38] < tifreak> like i said, hoping my host is kind enough to have it
[23:49:44] < _krisk_> true
[23:49:45] < tifreak> if not.. i have someone that *might* help
[23:50:27] < tifreak> not looking promising though..
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[23:51:52] <+DSP_Lord> ohai Telroth
[23:53:58] < tifreak> http://getvanilla.com/ ..
[23:54:03] < tifreak> that is a fairly small one..
[23:54:23] < Telroth> heya dsp
[23:54:28] < Telroth> what's up?
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[23:56:04] <@efneTI86> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[23:56:46] <+Barrett> interesting... the algorithm given in the book seems much more simple than what I had in mind
[23:56:51] <+Barrett> and it doesn't involve FIRST sets at all
[23:56:57] <+Barrett> oh wait, lie
[23:56:58] <+Barrett> yes it does
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