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[00:12:09] < Randomist> This look 'bout right as far as spelling and punctuation go:  http://www.viewlyrics.com/up4/080304/Funker%20Vogt%20-%20The%20Last%20(Maschinen-Mix).lrc
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[00:21:21] < BrandonW> Those sick bastards...
[00:21:29] < BrandonW> They put obfuscation into the driver for this USB IrDA adapter.
[00:21:31] <+patz2001> who, me?
[00:21:35] < BrandonW> It's documented, but still.
[00:21:37] < BrandonW> The bastards...
[00:21:52] < BrandonW> The programmer put his name in as the XOR key.
[00:22:35]  * Randomist ducks.
[00:22:48] <+patz2001> Why must I fail in every endeavor that I partake in?
[00:22:55] < Randomist> That's my job.
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[00:23:22] < BrandonW> Just bastards...
[00:23:30] < BrandonW> But at least I have a 100mA IrDA adapter we can write a driver for.
[00:23:39] < BrandonW> We shall have calculator remote controls soon enough.
[00:23:45] < BrandonW> And calculators remote controlled by IR remotes.
[00:24:04] <+patz2009> How about remote file sharing between calcs or computers?
[00:24:31] < BrandonW> That, too.
[00:24:35] < BrandonW> But the former excites me more.
[00:25:08] < Randomist> What good is IR when you have to be pointing right at the other calc in order for it to work?  Wouldn't that suck in the school or classroom setting?
[00:25:22] < BrandonW> Killjoy.
[00:25:30] < BrandonW> It's wireless USB networking.
[00:25:31] < BrandonW> Enjoy it.
[00:25:38] < BrandonW> You can beam test answers to your friends across the classroom.
[00:25:46]  * Randomist is not happy with anything.
[00:25:50] <+patz2009> BrandonW: Link to this marvelous piece of hardware?
[00:25:51] < BrandonW> That's becaues you're emo.
[00:26:36] < Randomist> Just a little Emo, maybe.
[00:26:36] < BrandonW> http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-USB-to-IrDA-Mini-Wireless-External-Infrared-Adapter_W0QQitemZ130202411168QQihZ003QQcategoryZ44961QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem And you can't beat the price!
[00:26:52] < BrandonW> Less than $5, kids.
[00:27:00] < Randomist> Oh, wait, I wasn't s'posed to admit that. :P
[00:27:00] < BrandonW> For wireless USB networking for your calculator.
[00:27:18] < BrandonW> Sync with your Pocket PC!
[00:27:24] < BrandonW> Steal information from others!
[00:27:28] < BrandonW> Possibilities are endless!
[00:27:30] <@benryves> Thre's also the cheap option - http://benryves.com/?module=products&product=infrared :)
[00:27:33] < Randomist> WiFi FTW.
[00:27:39] < Randomist> * Wi-Fi
[00:27:45] < BrandonW> You suck.
[00:27:47] <+patz2009> If that's the one you're making the drivers for, I'll get that one eventually.
[00:28:07] < BrandonW> I was hoping to find one that uses the generic USB protocol.
[00:28:14] < BrandonW> But this one seems pretty easy to reverse-engineer.
[00:28:46] < BrandonW> I could probably get it responding to IR remote keypresses tonight.
[00:28:49] < BrandonW> Wouldn't understand them...
[00:28:53] < BrandonW> But it'd know it was sent something.
[00:29:11] < BrandonW> Use your TV remote to tell your calculator to do something!
[00:29:12]  * Randomist goes off to look for another song out of his collection to transcribe and synchronize captions to.
[00:29:38] <@benryves> SIRCS is pretty straightforwards (and the only standard I'm aware of) :\
[00:30:16] < Randomist> Oh yeah, I wonder how hard it would be to make a program to read those captions if there was a counter in ASM program that BASIC programs could use.
[00:30:58] < BrandonW> Find out and write it.
[00:31:27] < Randomist> I got one I made, but the timing is all BASIC and it sucks 'cause it's only as good as your battery.
[00:31:54] < Randomist> And I guess there's no way in BASIC to use the crystal timer things on the 83+ SE.
[00:32:15] < BrandonW> Are chkTimer and the like not available in the 83+SE OS?
[00:32:27] < BrandonW> Was that 84+/SE only?
[00:32:29] < Randomist> That's not even in the catalog.
[00:32:31] <+patz2009> Nope/
[00:32:35] <+patz2009> 84+ only
[00:32:39] <@benryves> Randomist: Hook up an external timer?
[00:32:46] < BrandonW> That would be very silly.
[00:32:53] < BrandonW> Just use an assembly program that uses the crystal timers.
[00:32:57] < BrandonW> Make replacements for those functions.
[00:33:05] < BrandonW> The hardware is already there, just write the code to use it.
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[00:33:13] < BrandonW> The timers are well-documented.
[00:33:18] < BrandonW> Hell, I even have TI's official documentation on the timers.
[00:33:26] <@benryves> Assuming you have access to a fancy calculator, I guess.
[00:33:32] <+patz2009> O_o
[00:33:36] < BrandonW> I'm going to send you an SE so you'll hush about that.
[00:33:47] <+patz2009> TI actually DOCUMENTED something? :P
[00:33:49] < Randomist> Who, me?
[00:33:55] < BrandonW> No, benryves.
[00:33:57] < millinao> What can an nspire do that others cant?
[00:33:58] < Randomist> Aw.
[00:34:04] < BrandonW> He's always talking about only having an 83+.
[00:34:07] <@benryves> BrandonW: Still wouldn't help when targetting the 83 :P
[00:34:07] < BrandonW> And can't do anything cool.
[00:34:17] < BrandonW> The Nspire can do nothing.
[00:34:27] < BrandonW> patz2009, yes. They have internal documents.
[00:34:32] < millinao> I saw one in person today
[00:34:45] < Randomist> I'm still not happy with my 83+ SE.  Sure, it's fast and got a lot of memory, but still sucks.  If only I had an 84+ SE or, better yet, an 89 Titanium.
[00:34:48] < millinao> it had the 84 keypad, though
[00:34:49] < BrandonW> And you lived to tell about it?
[00:34:57] < Randomist> * has
[00:35:02] < millinao> the nspire is fast though
[00:35:07] < BrandonW> No, it's not.
[00:35:13] < BrandonW> Hardware-wise, sure.
[00:35:15] < BrandonW> But it's crap.
[00:35:22] < millinao> well, yeah
[00:35:39] <@benryves> I take it the Nspire based around an ASIC, then?
[00:35:41] < millinao> it was clunky
[00:35:56] < BrandonW> Yes, and it has two Flash chips.
[00:35:59] < millinao> the calculator itself is huge
[00:36:03] < BrandonW> One for the boot code and another for storage.
[00:36:10] < BrandonW> The OS is loaded into RAM at boot.
[00:36:12] < BrandonW> It takes quite a while to start.
[00:36:31] < millinao> it has a noticeable boot time?
[00:36:35] < BrandonW> Yes!
[00:36:38] < millinao> WTF
[00:36:40] < BrandonW> A good 5-10 seconsd.
[00:36:44] < BrandonW> seconds.*
[00:36:49] < BrandonW> That's after re-inserting the keypad, of course.
[00:36:50] < millinao> does it display the nspire logo?
[00:36:56] < BrandonW> Just shutting it off with 2ND+ON is fine.
[00:36:58] < millinao> or does it just stall
[00:37:08] < BrandonW> I could show you, I guess.
[00:37:19] < millinao> you have one?
[00:37:22] < BrandonW> Yes.
[00:37:42] < BrandonW> I have all of them.
[00:37:42] < Randomist> How hard would it be to make it return the counter in numbers like the timestamps that are in the *.lrc
[00:37:46] < millinao> Which one do you use for calculator functions?
[00:37:55] < millinao> like math and stuff
[00:38:03] <+patz2009> Who uses a calculator for math anymore?
[00:38:04] < BrandonW> Randomist, you can have it return numbers just like the 84+/SE functions.
[00:38:13] < BrandonW> millinao, the 84+SE keypad. The other one is complete garbage.
[00:38:18] < BrandonW> It's really not worth having, trust me on this.
[00:38:21] < BrandonW> I say we should boycott it.
[00:38:25] < BrandonW> Unless you intend to break into it.
[00:38:37] < millinao> No, which calculator do you use?
[00:38:51] < BrandonW> The 84+SE.
[00:38:56] < millinao> woo
[00:38:58] < BrandonW> If I was doing serious college math, the 89.
[00:39:46] < glk> If you get a TI-89, visit my url in MATH. http://grahamkendall.net/
[00:39:54] < Randomist> Hm, I still think this'll be more daunting than I'm thinking it will be 'cause I don't know shit 'bout things like strings in ASM.
[00:39:55] <+patz2009> -_-
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[00:39:57] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
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[00:40:14] < millinao> glk likes to screw with us
[00:40:20] < BrandonW> This can be your project, Randomist...implement the 84+/SE timer functions on the 83+SE. It needs to be done, and it'll help BASIC people.
[00:40:24] < Randomist> Someone once told me they're a bitch to work with.
[00:40:42] < BrandonW> They're silly.
[00:40:49] <@benryves> Does the OS use them anywhere?
[00:41:01] < BrandonW> What, the timers?
[00:41:06] <@benryves> Aye.
[00:41:08] < BrandonW> Yes.
[00:41:29] <+patz2009> For what? The internal clock?
[00:41:35] < millinao> The OS uses the timers?
[00:41:38] < BrandonW> I haven't looked at the 83+SE OS, but the 84+/SE OS will use the third set for USB timings, and the others for implementing the timer functions, but you don't need that, obviously.
[00:41:54] < BrandonW> The clock hardware is completely independent. You tell it on or off, and you can read and write the time.
[00:42:36] <@benryves> I was unaware the 83+SE had such hardware at all, to be honest. :)
[00:42:53] < millinao> yeah, I thought only the 84+SE had it
[00:42:55] < BrandonW> The 83+SE has everything the 84+/SE do, except the USB port and clock hardware.
[00:43:10] < i_c-Y> i thought it wasnt a dedicated timer on the 83+ 's, just a RC timer circuit
[00:43:18] < BrandonW> Everything except the 83+ has crystal timers and extra RAM pages.
[00:44:12] <+patz2009> BrandonW: Would you rather have the 84+ with the USB stuff or the 83+SE with the larger memory?
[00:44:13] < Randomist> ...SE?
[00:44:25] < BrandonW> The 84+.
[00:44:32] <+patz2009> I had a feeling.
[00:44:45] < BrandonW> I would sell my soul before it came to that, though.
[00:44:52] < BrandonW> You need to have an SE in your arsenal.
[00:44:54] < i_c-Y> oh.
[00:45:08]  * patz2009 does not have an SE... :(
[00:45:09] < i_c-Y> i dont have a SE in my arsenal :(
[00:45:13] < i_c-Y> i should get one
[00:45:19] < millinao> haha, I got cought playing calc games in class
[00:45:48] <+patz2009> I got caught playing calc on my games in class
[00:45:57] <+patz2009> TI-92 on my PSP xD
[00:46:19] <@benryves> I did, once too. Or so they thought; I was taking down prep requirements on the Calendar Flash app.
[00:46:58] < BrandonW> Right after you pressed the Tetris teacher key, I'm sure.
[00:47:52] <@benryves> Had I done so I may well have enjoyed English classes a lot more.
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[00:49:08] < millinao> Why did you have a calculator in English class?
[00:49:19] < i_c-Y> who doesnt?
[00:49:32] <@benryves> millinao: Why not? Not like I carry around different bags for different classes. :)
[00:49:58] < millinao> are you in college?
[00:50:28] <@benryves> Thankfully not. :P
[00:50:40] < Barrett> haha... good video ("you mean like democrats?")
[00:50:42] < millinao> wait, so if you are in high school
[00:50:46] < Barrett> and of course that is sfw
[00:50:52] < millinao> and you have your calculator out in english
[00:50:56] < millinao> then your teacher is a retard
[00:51:09] <@benryves> How's that, millinao?
[00:51:20] < BrandonW> Heard of the TI-Keyboard, psycho?
[00:51:23] < BrandonW> People like to take notes.
[00:51:29] < BrandonW> Science class, Periodic app...
[00:51:40] < millinao> because *e shouldn't have let you have your calculator out
[00:51:50] < BrandonW> It's justified.
[00:51:51] < millinao> since it had nothing to do with what you were doing in class
[00:51:53] < BrandonW> You live in the dark ages.
[00:51:53] <@benryves> millinao: Why not?
[00:52:32] < i_c-Y> millinao: ben isnt in any school.
[00:52:46] < millinao> oh
[00:52:53] <@benryves> I really should have been a doctor. I have the handwriting for it. :)
[00:53:11] < millinao> I have the worst handwriting
[00:53:21] <+TD-Linux> I always lol when I hear when I see one person's last name on facebook :(
[00:53:44] <+TD-Linux> cochrane
[00:54:03] <@benryves> Bit like Eddie Cochran, really.
[00:55:16] < BrandonW> "Error -2041: an invalid sample description was found in the movie (VIDEO_003.mp4)"
[00:57:38] < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/nspireBoot.mp4 Sucky camera video, sorry.
[00:57:45] < BrandonW> My camera's battery is dead.
[00:57:51] < BrandonW> Sucky phone camera video, sorry.*
[00:57:57] <@benryves> 404 :(
[00:58:03] < BrandonW> :(
[00:58:06] < BrandonW> Stupid site.
[00:58:14] < BrandonW> It hates all but the most common extensions.
[00:58:40] <@benryves> I assume you're powerless to change it :\
[00:59:09] < BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/nspireBoot.zip
[00:59:40] < millinao> damnit quicktime
[00:59:55] < BrandonW> Media Player Classic played it.
[01:00:19] <@benryves> Smooth, BrandonW :\
[01:02:42] < BrandonW> Look at it, people...a solid 30 seconds.
[01:02:51] < BrandonW> How that made it past operations, I have no idea.
[01:03:01] < BrandonW> They should've pulled it right then and there.
[01:03:04] < BrandonW> And said "fix it" to the engineers.
[01:03:10] < millinao> hmm, media player classic only plays audio
[01:03:28] < millinao> and quicktime gives that error
[01:03:43] < BrandonW> Probably missing a codec I have.
[01:03:44] < BrandonW> Try VLC.
[01:03:54] < millinao> screw it, I don't care
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[01:04:10] < BrandonW> That hurts.
[01:04:17] < millinao> heh
[01:04:32] < BrandonW> If I weren't already draining fluids out of me because of my runny nose, I'd cry.
[01:04:37] <@benryves> millinao: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow
[01:04:39] < millinao> 9 MB? for a media player?
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[01:05:22] <@benryves> millinao: It crams all the codecs into itself, rather than relying on the OS. ffdshow handled the video and audio for me here (just opened in WMP).
[01:05:32] < millinao> oh
[01:06:27] < millinao> how do I use ffdshow
[01:06:43] < millinao> do I keep the window open?
[01:07:16] < millinao> doesn't matter anymore, VLC downloaded
[01:07:29] < BrandonW> Watch that not work.
[01:07:59] < millinao> VLC worked
[01:08:07] < millinao> and that boot is very long indeed
[01:08:27] <@benryves> millinao: ffdshow is a DirectShow filter, so will work in any sane media player on Windows (eg Media Player Classic, WMP). Just install and enjoy great media playback. :) (The deblocking options on it are very good indeed).
[01:08:43] < millinao> I'll just use VLC
[01:08:57] < i_c-Y> im using the CCCP codec pack
[01:09:08] < i_c-Y> cause i odnt care enough to do it right myself
[01:09:16] < BrandonW> And I have no idea what I'm using.
[01:09:19] < BrandonW> To each his own.
[01:14:46] <@benryves> 'night gents -->
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[01:16:17] < BrandonW> I wonder what the range is on this IrDA adapter if it's only 100mA.
[01:17:20] < i_c-Y> not too far id assume.
[01:17:30] < BrandonW> "HI,MY NAME IS LAEXANDER GENUIS I LIVE IN MALTA.I JUST PURCHASED KINGSUN KS-959 USB INFRARED ADAPTER,I MA TRYING TO INSTALL THE DRIVER BUT I CANNOT,ALWAYS TELL ME IF AN ERROR.I HAVE VISTA ON MY PC,CAN ANYONE PLEASE SEND ME THE RIGHT DRIVER?I BE MOST OBLIGED,THANKYOU." Has anyone EVER seriously replied to things like this?
[01:18:17] < millinao> was that on ticalc.org?
[01:18:26] < BrandonW> No, some site.
[01:18:51] < millinao> that can't be serious
[01:18:58] < i_c-Y> remote forum?
[01:19:32] < millinao> oh, infrared
[01:20:43] < BrandonW> qbik.ch
[01:21:04] < i_c-Y> yes, i got that from a quick google afterward
[01:21:54] < BrandonW> And yet you guessed completely wrong.
[01:22:51] < i_c-Y> i did not know you were into the lunix BrandonW 
[01:23:01] < BrandonW> No one said I was.
[01:23:10] < millinao> lol, lunix
[01:23:16] < i_c-Y> yeah but i see a blackness in your heart
[01:23:19] < BrandonW> Reading Linux drivers doesn't mean I use Linux.
[01:23:19] < i_c-Y> from lunix
[01:24:43] < BrandonW> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=150218374178&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI I also got this...I suspect it uses an insane amount of power and the official IrDA specification.
[01:25:25] < i_c-Y> heh. chinese stuffs
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[01:39:20] < Barrett> wowzers... the fans used in my server cost $20 each (when purchased individually online)
[01:40:31] <+Sir_Lewk> you should have just hooked up a vacuum cleaner to one of the vents
[01:42:07] <+Sir_Lewk> then your server would be super cooled, AND self cleaning :P
[01:42:34] < chronomex> oooh
[01:43:35] < DarkAuron> but then it'd be ultra loud
[01:43:39] < BrandonW> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IrDA haha, the Wikipedia page shows my adapter.
[01:44:46] < Barrett> DarkAuron: not much louder than it already is
[01:49:56] < i_c-Y> Sir_Lewk: and that would be a retarded idea worthy of Randomist :)
[01:50:20]  * Randomist looks up from captioning to see who said his name.
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[01:51:08] <@efneTI86> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[01:53:16] <+Sir_Lewk> i_c-Y, you are just jealous of my ingenuity :P
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[01:54:46] < i_c-Y> so ingenious even the bush administration hasnt come up with it yet
[01:55:00] < BrandonW> Democrat.
[01:55:36]  * Randomist is an dEmocrat.
[01:56:23] < i_c-Y> nah, BrandonW 
[01:56:29] < i_c-Y> i just like to insult people
[01:56:55] < i_c-Y> and Barrett , fans arent cheap
[01:57:02] < i_c-Y> well good ones anyway
[01:57:17] < chronomex> they are cheap used ...
[01:57:17] < i_c-Y> panaflos were like 10 or 15 
[01:57:23] < chronomex> once I bought a ton used, 50c/ea and tried to make a hovercraft
[01:57:27] < i_c-Y> and failed.
[01:57:31]  * chronomex nods
[01:58:48] < Randomist> Oh, crap... even if I did [by some miracle,] figure out how to make that timer thing, the MiniLyrics-on-calc thing would be dead in BASIC... How would it be able to keep up?
[01:59:31] < BrandonW> Why wouldn't it?
[01:59:55] < i_c-Y> Randomist: YOU CAN DO IT!
[02:00:00] < i_c-Y> I HAVE (pseudo) FAITH IN YOU!
[02:00:06] < i_c-Y> just get off IRC
[02:00:10] < i_c-Y> and concentrate on making the timer
[02:00:15] < i_c-Y> and come back when you have a solution
[02:00:16] < Randomist> 'Cause I'd have to make the program split up lines of lyrics so they they wrap on the screen.
[02:00:48] < Randomist> The timer'd go way ahead of the program while it's busy doing that.
[02:01:16] < BrandonW> You need to do this in pure assembly. The only thing left is the text display, which is piss easy.
[02:01:39] < BrandonW> So what's the goal here, to have appvars or programs of lyrics for a song and the timings to go with them?
[02:01:45] < BrandonW> And then this program would take those and play them?
[02:02:58]  * Sir_Lewk laughes manically
[02:03:06] < BrandonW> Because if so, work out the format of that variable, and then write the program.
[02:03:07] < Randomist> I was hoping to just make it straight-up read the *.lrc files.  All the user would have to do is just copy-and-paste to Graphlink or something, or type them up in TIOS.
[02:03:18] < BrandonW> I've never seen an LRC file.
[02:03:20] <+Sir_Lewk> I've hooked up a hand vacuum to my laptop with cardboard and duct tape :D
[02:03:35] <+Sir_Lewk> where the hell is a camera when I need one...
[02:03:54] < Randomist> Like this one:  http://www.viewlyrics.com/up4/080304/Funker%20Vogt%20-%20The%20Last%20(Maschinen-Mix).lrc
[02:04:09] <+Sir_Lewk> gawd, this is load as fsck
[02:04:18] < BrandonW> Make this a serious project, Randomist...you could write a PC program or script that would conver that to an 8XP or 8XV. Then you transfer it to the calculator along with the player and off you go.
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[02:04:35] < BrandonW> Or, you could embed the LRC data INTO the program, and then it's just one 8XP.
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[02:04:45] < BrandonW> Depends on how many a person would have at one time, and how big the program is.
[02:04:59] < BrandonW> convert*
[02:05:00] <+Sir_Lewk> screw this, this is too load
[02:05:05] <+Sir_Lewk> *loud
[02:05:15] < i_c-Y> its not hard to convert the lrc file, though space will probably become an issue 
[02:05:35] < BrandonW> Appvars can be 64KB in size and sent straight to the archive.
[02:05:54] < BrandonW> You could try some compression, too.
[02:05:55] < Randomist> Hm, looks like I'd have to make an on-calc editor, too.
[02:06:00] < BrandonW> No.
[02:06:01] < BrandonW> No you don't.
[02:06:03] < BrandonW> Why would you?
[02:06:08] < Randomist> Never mind.
[02:06:14] < BrandonW> Don't make it harder than it is.
[02:06:18] < BrandonW> Don't overexaggerate.
[02:06:20] < BrandonW> Do this little thing.
[02:06:23] < BrandonW> Finish it, and be happy.
[02:06:26] < BrandonW> Release it, and be famous.
[02:06:30] < chronomex> else you'll be like BrandonW
[02:06:30] < BrandonW> For a solid 15 minutes or so.
[02:06:46] < i_c-Y> a uncompressed LRC file is just plain text, Randomist , just convert it to a program or something else to store text.
[02:07:52] < BrandonW> And it'll be super accurate because of the timers.
[02:08:00] < BrandonW> Perfection.
[02:08:07] < BrandonW> You could have it call a callback when the timer expires.
[02:08:09] < BrandonW> To change the page.
[02:08:09] < i_c-Y> man now i want a 83+se
[02:08:11] < i_c-Y> or an 84
[02:08:12] < i_c-Y> +
[02:08:13] <+TD-Linux> you could play it along with a CD, which might be what you are intending to do
[02:08:21] <@Grue> http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c73/Kris214/Avatars/1040.jpg
[02:08:26] < i_c-Y> one thing at a time, TD-Linux 
[02:08:29] < Randomist> Which is exactly right. :P
[02:08:44] <+TD-Linux> i_c-Y, well, manually synchronized :)
[02:09:15] < BrandonW> Then you could add some hardware to start playback on whatever device you hook the link port up to.
[02:09:17] <+TD-Linux> Randomist: you could say it has a magic bluetooth connection that works with ANY audio player :P
[02:09:20] <+TD-Linux> even better
[02:09:20] < BrandonW> And the program could just send that signal.
[02:09:26] < Randomist> If I got good enough, then I could make an on-calc editor, and write and synchronize lyrics while I'm at school so when I get home, I'll be ready to submit them to the database.
[02:09:31] <+TD-Linux> say it can lip-read the CD-player ;)
[02:09:49] < BrandonW> An oncalc text editor is hard. Trust me on this. You will run into lots of problems.
[02:10:02] < BrandonW> Trying to do better than the program editor, I mean.
[02:10:15] < BrandonW> If you're dead set on that, then store them in 8XP format in a way that the program editor can understand.
[02:10:19]  * TD-Linux listens to his 100% real ripped SMG music
[02:10:25] < BrandonW> Then you could do oncalc compression/decompression instead.
[02:10:26] < i_c-Y> BrandonW: which is why im telling him its an option to use the programs and program editor
[02:10:56] < i_c-Y> and you are too
[02:11:25] < i_c-Y> for once Randomist , im trying to HELP you , not make fun of you / lead you to your utter destruction
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[02:17:16] < Randomist> I probably better think about this though:  by the time I finish this, I'm either gonna be out of school, and all that work will have been in vein, or I'll be in college (if I'm lucky), and be too busy to work on it.
[02:19:00] < BrandonW> Nonsense, you'll finish it.
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[02:19:31] < BrandonW> You just have to be passionate about it.
[02:19:37] < BrandonW> Not about the program itself, but about what it would mean if you finished it.
[02:19:48] < i_c-Y> think of all the people you could save
[02:19:52] < i_c-Y> and if you cant save any people
[02:20:01] < i_c-Y> think of all the people you could imagine saving
[02:20:18] < BrandonW> It's your fantasy, it's whatever you want.
[02:20:22] < BrandonW> And depending on what it is, it might come true.
[02:20:26] < BrandonW> Like...a ticalc.org article.
[02:20:34] < i_c-Y> mine involves destruction. and lots of it.
[02:20:51] < i_c-Y> with a mix of metal and dance music.
[02:20:53] < chronomex> an article is easy enough, if your project is sufficiently cool
[02:21:12] < BrandonW> Back in the day, that was the holy grail.
[02:21:12] < i_c-Y> i think its a sufficiently cool idea
[02:21:13] < BrandonW> Still is.
[02:21:16] < i_c-Y> if after he makes it he expands it
[02:21:16] <+TD-Linux> ticalc.org needs news
[02:21:51]  * TD-Linux might dabble in his vector engine sometime
[02:22:01] <+TD-Linux> now that is some seriously messed up code
[02:22:10] < BrandonW> I doubt it.
[02:22:14] < BrandonW> Not after what I've seen.
[02:22:16] < BrandonW> And where I've been.
[02:23:00] < BrandonW> The OS, I'm referring to.
[02:23:09] <+TD-Linux> it doesn't really work either :(
[02:23:17] < BrandonW> What a coincidence!
[02:23:19] <+TD-Linux> I need more registers
[02:23:56] <+TD-Linux> I was trying to do matrix multiples with no temporary variables, only push/pop
[02:24:19] < BrandonW> Have you ever looked at the MSD driver?
[02:24:25] < BrandonW> The stack usage in that is insane.
[02:24:27] < BrandonW> That and using IX.
[02:24:34] < BrandonW> It's a driver, so there was really no saferam to use.
[02:24:43] < BrandonW> Because you couldn't assume the programmer using the API wasn't using it.
[02:25:28] <+TD-Linux> hmm
[02:25:34] <+TD-Linux> which is faster, stack or ix?
[02:26:07] < BrandonW> I couldn't say.
[02:26:14] < BrandonW> I don't do insane timing optimizations like some game programmers do.
[02:26:18] < BrandonW> But I would say the stack.
[02:26:27] <+TD-Linux> ok
[02:26:28] < i_c-Y> man, 4chan is being ruin!
[02:26:33] <+TD-Linux> 4chan fails
[02:26:43] < chronomex> ... 4chan was made broken
[02:26:47] <+TD-Linux> it's interesting the first day you go there
[02:27:14] < i_c-Y> where else do you expect me to get wallpapers?
[02:27:36]  * TD-Linux gets his off *-look.org
[02:28:12] <+TD-Linux> all the wallpapers on 4chan are 100x48 final fantasy logos from fan websites scaled to 1680x1050
[02:28:26] < i_c-Y> nevermind that *-look.org sucks
[02:28:29] < i_c-Y> just a slight issue 
[02:28:34] < i_c-Y> im too awesome for shitty wallpapers
[02:29:22] < Spengo> /wg/ is pretty much the only decent board anymore
[02:29:41] < i_c-Y> ever since some fucker told digg about 4chan its gone down the shitter
[02:29:46] < Spengo> yeah
[02:30:21] < BrandonW> Why did you tell them about 4chan, i_c-Y?
[02:30:39] <+TD-Linux> there's always 1chan :)
[02:30:57] <+Nikky> digg sucks
[02:30:59] < chronomex> is there a 0chan?
[02:31:02] < i_c-Y> i didnt, BrandonW 
[02:31:04] < Spengo> isn't 1chan just a list of chans?
[02:31:20] < Spengo> oh
[02:31:22] < Spengo> and trains
[02:31:24] < Spengo> lol
[02:33:18] < i_c-Y> why the hell else would be there a robot9000 forum?
[02:33:22] < i_c-Y> its stupid as hell.
[02:33:50] < i_c-Y> (robot9000 is an xkcd thing
[02:33:57] < i_c-Y> and diggtards lurves xkcd
[02:34:05] < i_c-Y> ive witnessed them view xkcd
[02:34:08] < i_c-Y> in the field)
[02:34:11] < Spengo> haha
[02:34:23] < i_c-Y> man
[02:34:26] < Spengo> yeah I was like wtf when I saw the robot9000 board too
[02:34:39] < i_c-Y> now im going to have to dig up my cds of wallpapers from 4chan from the pre digg days
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[02:34:43] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
[02:34:45] <+Nikky> xkcd sucks
[02:34:50] < Spengo> hmm
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[02:34:56] < i_c-Y> there are some good threads though occasionally
[02:35:01] < Spengo> I better go eat food before the food place closes
[02:35:09] < i_c-Y> the brick hansen one in /toy/ was pretty decent
[02:37:18] < i_c-Y> seriously
[02:37:22] < i_c-Y> theres artrockshit on there
[02:37:41] < BrandonW> "the food place"...quite a vocabulary you have on you there.
[02:37:59] <+Nikky> what food place r u eating at Spengo 
[02:38:12] < chronomex> probly school f00dz
[02:38:14] < chronomex> *sk00l
[02:38:17] <+Nikky> kewl
[02:38:42] < BrandonW> I have so much crap piling up in my room now that it's obstructing my view of the LCDs.
[02:39:00] < BrandonW> And we can't have that.
[02:39:02] <+Sir_Lewk> kewl bean
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[02:40:34] < Randomist> Away I go to help get a friend out of serious trouble and myself into some.
[02:40:59] <+Nikky> BrandonW: multiple monitors? lololol nerd
[02:41:01] < BrandonW> No cutting, you two.
[02:41:09] < chronomex> so I'm wearing this shirt --> http://shirt.woot.com/Blog/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryId=3793  and a girl walking by said "I have that shirt too!"
[02:41:10] < BrandonW> Shut up, Nikky, you play HL2 on your two widescreen LCDs.
[02:41:42] <+Nikky> I've never said that
[02:41:50] < BrandonW> And yet it's true.
[02:42:01] <+Nikky> You can't prove it
[02:42:06] < BrandonW> I don't have to.
[02:42:19] < BrandonW> I have two 22" widescreen LCDs and a third 37" LCD HDTV for playing movies and stuff.
[02:42:35] < millinao> how do you play multi-monitor HL2?
[02:42:41] < millinao> just really really widescreen?
[02:42:47] < BrandonW> Ask Nikky, he does it.
[02:43:21] < chronomex> multi-mon asm is awesome, I bet
[02:43:59] < BrandonW> I throw IRC off to the second monitor and code on the first.
[02:44:03] < BrandonW> I maximize all windows.
[02:44:09] < chronomex> not bad
[02:44:12] < BrandonW> Sometimes I cover up this with disassembly windows.
[02:44:15] < i_c-Y> i have 2 monitors too
[02:44:38] < i_c-Y> cause im awesome.
[02:44:49] < millinao> I should try dual monitor
[02:44:57] < BrandonW> I can't live without it.
[02:45:00] < BrandonW> I use it here and at work.
[02:45:07] < millinao> can I use my laptop's s-video port as a dual monitor?
[02:45:15] < BrandonW> Surely.
[02:45:28] < millinao> sweet
[02:45:38] < chronomex> probably not very high resolution though
[02:45:55] < i_c-Y> meh, i should really name stuff i save from 4chan with real names, not 1202199127895.jpg
[02:46:02] < BrandonW> My primary monitor is DVI, secondary is VGA, and a second VGA video card for the TV.
[02:46:22] < millinao> I wish this laptop had a VGI port
[02:46:46] < BrandonW> I don't. It's probably deadly.
[02:46:56] < chronomex> VGI?
[02:47:01] < millinao> oh haha
[02:47:03] < millinao> VGA*
[02:47:08] <+Nikky> BrandonW: nerd
[02:47:13] <+Nikky> monitortard
[02:47:22] < millinao> hmm
[02:47:26] < BrandonW> If living like this is being a nerd, then I'm proud of it.
[02:47:31] < chronomex> Nikky: where are you?
[02:47:46] < millinao> I wonder if I can use my PC's modem as an Asterisk dvice
[02:48:01] < chronomex> millinao: maybe ... I was looking into that a little a while ago
[02:48:02] <+Nikky> chronomex: somewhere between great and awesome
[02:48:04] < millinao> i watched this long-ass podcast about asterisk
[02:48:11] < millinao> it was like 2 hours
[02:48:18] < chronomex> okay
[02:48:33] < BrandonW> Nerd.
[02:48:47] < millinao> now asterisk is inscribed on my brain
[02:49:32] < millinao> and then I wonder if I can convert my cell phone's service to a landline that I can plug in
[02:49:46] < millinao> although you can use the phone as a modem itself
[02:49:54] < millinao> maybe THAT modem can be used with asterisk
[02:50:02] < chronomex> haha ... no
[02:50:12] < millinao> probably slow as hell
[02:50:14] < chronomex> just pay a few bucks for IAX termination
[02:50:19] < chronomex> callwithus.com is what I use
[02:50:33] < chronomex> $0.014 / min to the US
[02:50:40] < chronomex> yeah, that's 1.4 cents / minute
[02:50:49] < chronomex> maybe it's less, I don't know
[02:50:57] < millinao> what is it, a VOIP service?
[02:51:04] < chronomex> yeah
[02:51:10] < chronomex> VOIP -> PSTN termination
[02:51:13] < millinao> does it handle incoming?
[02:51:16] < chronomex> no
[02:51:20] < chronomex> but it can
[02:51:24] < millinao> oh, still good though
[02:51:36] < millinao> is that worldwide
[02:51:42] < chronomex> no, it varies by country
[02:51:45] < chronomex> read their website
[02:51:54] < millinao> oh, I see
[02:52:24] < millinao> sweet, I can call china at 1.5 cents a minute
[02:52:40] < chronomex> yeah
[02:52:43] < chronomex> or moscow
[02:52:44] < millinao> paypal needs to sell cards
[02:52:45] < millinao> at stores
[02:52:49] < BrandonW> With crappy quality.
[02:52:54] < millinao> that you can use for any online purchase
[02:52:59] < millinao> that would own
[02:53:12] < i_c-Y> or you can use disposable visas with paypal
[02:53:20] < BrandonW> I do that.
[02:53:20] < chronomex> BrandonW: it's actually not too bad quality
[02:53:35] < millinao> how do those work, the disposable visas
[02:53:43] < i_c-Y> step 1: buy one
[02:53:45] < i_c-Y> step 2: activate
[02:53:53] < chronomex> step 3: ???
[02:53:58] < chronomex> step 4: Profit!
[02:54:02] < i_c-Y> step 3: put in card number as a visa
[02:54:02] < i_c-Y> step 4: ???
[02:54:06] < i_c-Y> step 5: go broke from buying cards.
[02:54:13] < millinao> how much are the cards worth?
[02:54:13] < chronomex> *snerk*
[02:54:23] < millinao> err, how much are on the cards
[02:54:52] < chronomex> depends on how much you buy them for
[02:54:56] < i_c-Y> as much as you intend to put on?
[02:55:03] < millinao> oh
[02:55:22] < millinao> I was thinking they came in 10$, 50$ versions or something
[02:55:28] < chronomex> probably
[02:55:39] < i_c-Y> you can make ones that go for xxx dollars
[02:55:59] < BrandonW> Actually, I use their Virtual Debit Card thing when I'm buying from a shady site.
[02:56:15] < i_c-Y> thats what im talking about, BrandonW 
[02:56:22] < i_c-Y> except you actually get a card in this case
[02:56:25] < i_c-Y> so you can use it irl too
[02:56:31] < i_c-Y> well
[02:56:33] < i_c-Y> and its a credit card
[02:56:40] < i_c-Y> when you enter it
[02:57:33] < i_c-Y> and it limits up to 500 dollars 
[02:57:38] < chronomex> wouldn't that actually be a debit card?
[02:58:02] < i_c-Y> yeah, except you input it as a credit card.
[02:58:13] < i_c-Y> under visa.
[02:58:19] < BrandonW> Hm...
[02:58:21] < chronomex> I understand
[02:58:23] < mokomull> yeah, but those cost an assload to get.
[02:58:36] < mokomull> there's like a $20 fee for the Visa gift card thingys.
[02:58:43] < BrandonW> Ripoffs.
[02:58:45] < BrandonW> Ripoff.*
[02:58:53] < chronomex> cash is much better that way
[02:58:55] < millinao> oh, wtf
[02:59:03] < i_c-Y> mokomull: theres a minimum amount you have to buy, but i never saw a 20 dollar fee on em
[02:59:18] < Netham45> it's about 3 dollars
[02:59:43] < i_c-Y> i just dont buy from shady places so problem solved
[03:03:05] < i_c-Y> hayden panettiere looks infinitely better on my laptop lcd than on my crt.
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[03:07:43] < millinao> god damnit
[03:07:52] < millinao> I need a PS3 to play MGS4
[03:09:58] < BrandonW> Steal one.
[03:10:07] < millinao> of course
[03:10:29] < BrandonW> I forgot all about buying that 60GB one.
[03:15:08] < BrandonW> Alright, Windows has been 100% done copying driver files for this freaking adapter for about 10 minutes now.
[03:20:16] < Barrett> well good
[03:20:18] < Barrett> that means it's done
[03:22:34] < BrandonW> But it won't let me click Finish.
[03:23:04] < BrandonW> I think I pissed it off...it's constantly receiving data.
[03:23:46] < millinao> try chanting some kind of magical prayer
[03:23:55] < millinao> maybe that will help
[03:24:17] < Barrett> http://www.seducious.com/
[03:24:29] < Barrett> logo... good or bad? (it's supposed to be classy... nothing fancy)
[03:24:47] < BrandonW> I covered it up so it wouldn't have any light to freak out on, but it's still flying.
[03:24:52] < millinao> I like the logo
[03:25:02] < BrandonW> I hope it doesn't do this on the calculator...it'll eat the batteries right up.
[03:25:02] < millinao> don't get the Mmmmm.... part though
[03:25:11] < Barrett> you're not supposed to
[03:25:24] < Barrett> unless you cross "seducious" with "delicious"
[03:25:31] < BrandonW> 404 for me.
[03:25:44] < Barrett> similar sounding words... one of the taglines for the site might be "deliciously seductive" or "seductively delicious"
[03:25:45] < BrandonW> And works.
[03:25:49] < Barrett> BrandonW: really? what?
[03:25:59] < BrandonW> Dead one minute and good the next.
[03:26:14] < Barrett> the server gave you a 404? or it didn't find the server at all?
[03:26:27] < i_c-Y> it works , but i wish it didnt.
[03:26:31] < i_c-Y> the page is that bad.
[03:26:32] < BrandonW> It didn't find it at all.
[03:26:36] < Barrett> phew
[03:26:46] < BrandonW> Looks like you have an excellent waste of time on your hands there, Barrett.
[03:27:06] < Barrett> yes...
[03:27:35] < BrandonW> Make me an offer for calcporn.com.
[03:27:44] < Barrett> you own that domain?
[03:27:47] < BrandonW> Yes.
[03:27:59] < i_c-Y> are you serious, BrandonW ?
[03:28:03] < BrandonW> Yes.
[03:28:20] < Barrett> that's kind of scary
[03:28:23] < BrandonW> FUCK
[03:28:26] < BrandonW> I lost my log.
[03:28:29] < millinao> haha, I remember that
[03:28:30] < BrandonW> I only had 5 more trials.
[03:28:36] < BrandonW> The laptop died.
[03:28:37] < i_c-Y> for
[03:28:40] < BrandonW> Turned off.
[03:28:42] < BrandonW> The IrDA adapter.
[03:28:44] < BrandonW> And I lost it.
[03:28:55] < BrandonW> Trial for the USB logger.
[03:29:01] < BrandonW> The only respectable one.
[03:29:19] < BrandonW> That pisses me off to no end.
[03:29:25] < millinao> you know, BrandonW, if people search your name and find calcporn.com, no one will want to hire you
[03:29:48] < BrandonW> Doesn't matter.
[03:29:50] < BrandonW> I'm that good.
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[03:30:48] <@efneTI86> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[03:31:09] < BrandonW> I'm too sick to work anymore on this tonight.
[03:32:09] < BrandonW> Can't believe I lost my log...
[03:32:15] < BrandonW> Now 96 runs, and I only get 100.
[03:32:26] < BrandonW> No way to crack it that I can see.
[03:32:37] < BrandonW> It's probably easy, but it's not worth the effort.
[03:32:42] < BrandonW> It needs reformatting anyway.
[03:33:05] < BrandonW> If it will stay ON long enough...
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[03:37:52] < BrandonW> USB sucks, but runny noses suck more.
[03:39:47] < i_c-Y> haha
[03:44:04] < mokomull> heh
[03:44:25] < i_c-Y> i cant believe i verified that BrandonW owns calcporn.com
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[03:45:24] < BrandonW> Would I lie to you?
[03:45:31] < i_c-Y> maybe
[03:45:32] < i_c-Y> :-/
[03:45:37] < i_c-Y> just kidding
[03:45:38] <+Speler> He would
[03:45:40] <+Speler> No question
[03:45:54] < BrandonW> :(
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[03:46:17] <@efneTI86> [Merthsoft] Heat, time, and pressure; the things needed to make diamonds also make waffles.
[03:46:19] < chronomex> LOL   -->   http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sea/299213729.html    "Tomorrow, I'm bringing a sharpie and adding "please wear deoderant" to the bus rules poster. I just have to figure out the spanish translation first."
[03:46:33] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Merthsoft] by etaonrish
[03:46:52] <+Merthsoft> por favor, usar desoderante
[03:46:59] <+Merthsoft> or something
[03:47:14] < BrandonW> If you guys know of a super cheap USB IrDA adapter that doesn't use a proprietary protocol (bClass\bSubClass\bProtocol would be 0FEh,02h,00h I guess), let me know where to find it.
[03:48:27] < i_c-Y> how much classifies as cheap?
[03:48:41] < BrandonW> $10.
[03:49:04] < i_c-Y> i remember many moons ago sigmatel opened theirs up 
[03:49:49] < BrandonW> It looks like there's actually some hope for supporting a couple of proprietary protocols and the official one for this device type.
[03:49:54] < BrandonW> This could be a practical driver.
[03:50:03] < i_c-Y> id assume if you look at some documentation from the later days of the 2.4 kernel line as a common kernel use, you should be able to get a good list of supportable irda's
[03:50:35] < BrandonW> But you're supposed to do that for me and link me to "Buy Now" buttons. :(
[03:50:50] < i_c-Y> haha.
[03:51:20] < BrandonW> Of course, there's the small matter of figuring out all the different remote protocols.
[03:51:34] < BrandonW> Figuring out the files LIRC uses, I mean.
[03:51:44] < BrandonW> And maybe learning codes.
[03:52:09] < i_c-Y> ah LIRC. last time i used it on windows it was a nightmare in a tarball
[03:52:32] < BrandonW> And maybe coming up with some sort of calc<->calc protocol.
[03:52:49] < BrandonW> Maybe even combining it with direct USB...wicked.
[03:52:59] < BrandonW> So that the OS would use it instead of the port directly.
[03:53:31] < BrandonW> I don't know, both calculators would be convinced they're the host.
[03:53:42] < BrandonW> Which would be fine unless there's something in the direct USB protocol that screws with it.
[03:53:46] < i_c-Y> shouldnt you be able to force it to be one or the other?
[03:53:51] < BrandonW> But I can't think of anything off the top of my head.
[03:53:52] < i_c-Y> host or not host that is
[03:54:09] < BrandonW> The OS can directly check the USB ports to see what mode it's in.
[03:54:11] < BrandonW> I can't mess with that.
[03:54:19] < BrandonW> They'll both have IrDA peripherals initialized.
[03:54:22] < BrandonW> They will be in host mode.
[03:55:12] < BrandonW> You can probably do some serious fudging to make it work.
[03:55:24] < BrandonW> Most USB things happen in the interrupt, which is good.
[03:55:28] < BrandonW> Because we can take that over.
[03:56:53] < BrandonW> None of this would exist without that USB activity hook.
[03:56:59] < BrandonW> You have to give them credit for that.
[03:59:19] < BrandonW> It really sucks that I/O doesn't work that way.
[03:59:30] < BrandonW> But it'd be pretty weird if it did.
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[04:00:39] <+Nikky> Sure would
[04:01:04] < BrandonW> Imagine being notified every single time a byte was sent or received.
[04:01:09] < BrandonW> And trying to keep track of that.
[04:01:18] <+Nikky> difficult
[04:01:36] < BrandonW> But you get control when the cable is inserted, which is great.
[04:02:06] <+Nikky> nice
[04:03:26] < BrandonW> I lost my freaking log, but it looks like getting that IrDA adapter to work just involves three commands.
[04:03:41] < BrandonW> The hard part is undoing all that obfuscated crap that happens when it's sent/received.
[04:04:58] < BrandonW> If only the wifi driver were that easy to reverse-engineer.
[04:06:47] < BrandonW> I'm not even sure I understand the source to that one.
[04:06:49] < BrandonW> Very convoluted.
[04:08:14] < BrandonW> But...it'll make sense one day.
[04:08:20] < BrandonW> I love killing the channel.
[04:11:00] <+Nikky> No youa ren't
[04:13:13] < i_c-Y> haha
[04:13:14] < i_c-Y> hes not
[04:13:23] < i_c-Y> how are you keeping track of the irda commands?
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[04:24:33] < BrandonW> Sure I killed it.
[04:24:35] < BrandonW> You're just saying that.
[04:24:37] < BrandonW> Troll.
[04:24:41] < BrandonW> Don't ruin it for me. :(
[04:24:57] < BrandonW> The driver source has the three commands...I issue them.
[04:25:01] < BrandonW> Send, receive, and change speed.
[04:25:13] < BrandonW> Although the receive one is kind of funky.
[04:25:15] <+Nikky> Troll.
[04:25:29] < DarkAuron> you're just jealous nikky
[04:25:38] < BrandonW> It's all done through the control pipe, despite the fact that it has an interrupt pipe.
[04:25:52] < BrandonW> The control pipe is bidirectional, but only one direction at a time, obviously.
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[04:26:06] < BrandonW> To receive, I have to send the command, then see whether there's data or not.
[04:26:12] < BrandonW> And if there is, receive it and end the command one way.
[04:26:15] < BrandonW> Or if not, just end it another way.
[04:26:17] < BrandonW> And usb8x doesn't do that.
[04:26:23] < BrandonW> So...I might have to change it.
[04:26:44] < BrandonW> usb8x just has three options, send with no incoming data, send with incoming data, or send with outgoing data.
[04:26:54] < BrandonW> I need to send and _maybe_ get incoming data.
[04:26:58] < BrandonW> And it's not smart enough to do that right now.
[04:27:12] < BrandonW> At least I think that's the case
[04:27:26] < BrandonW> If not, then I'll just demand a whole lot from it and see what it does.
[04:27:40] < BrandonW> The source and that log imply it's just going to keep sending me crap.
[04:27:41] < BrandonW> Over and over.
[04:27:46] < BrandonW> So requesting a lot won't hurt anything.
[04:27:49] <+Nikky> Troll.
[04:27:54] < BrandonW> You can die, sir.
[04:28:25] <+Nikky> yes you can
[04:28:35] < BrandonW> No, you.
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[04:31:11] < BrandonW> It's just really bizarre that the XP driver would just keep on receiving junk.
[04:31:27] < BrandonW> How would it know when I was really trying to communicate with it?
[04:32:49] < i_c-Y> are you sure thats not intentional?
[04:33:26] < BrandonW> It probably is intentional, I just don't understand it.
[04:34:18] < BrandonW> I know nothing about low-level IR communication.
[04:34:22] < BrandonW> I'm going to have to do a lot of reading.
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[04:41:20] <+Nikky> cool
[04:42:33] < mokomull> aoeu
[04:42:34] < mokomull> oops
[04:43:11] < BrandonW> Nikky sucks.
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[04:43:20] <+Nikky> BrandonW sucks.
[04:43:33] < BrandonW> Straws.
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[04:43:39] <+Nikky> Milkshakes.
[04:46:26] < BrandonW> Psycho.
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[04:49:00] < Netham45> speaking of psychos,Randomist's quit message...
[04:49:03] < BrandonW> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=7530&st=100 This is silly.
[04:49:20] < BrandonW> Although I continue to be impressed by magicdanw, who is one of the few there that knows what he's talking about.
[04:49:40] < BrandonW> And also impressed with his patience.
[04:49:45] < BrandonW> By responding to things like that.
[04:50:26] < BrandonW> I used to be patient once.
[04:51:56] < i_c-Y> is that the qbasic thread on the z80's?
[04:52:17] < BrandonW> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=7150&pid=120963&st=40&#entry120963 Why do people continue to want to get the calc ID?
[04:52:20] < BrandonW> I mean, it's one BCALL.
[04:52:23] < BrandonW> That whole thing is silly.
[04:52:25] < BrandonW> i_c-Y: yes.
[04:55:33] < i_c-Y> sites like unitedti and digg are like looking at animals in the zoo.
[04:58:08] < BrandonW> http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=7150&st=40&p=121011& They're going to freak over this post.
[04:58:15] < BrandonW> "zomg u mean i can just calculate it?"
[04:58:47] < BrandonW> It requires having the 04 key loaded into memory, which is stored in the certificate, but it doesn't change...you can just hard-code it.
[04:59:41] < BrandonW> I'll let them simmer on it.
[05:01:07] < i_c-Y> so guys
[05:01:12] < i_c-Y> i need to enlist your help
[05:01:20] < i_c-Y> how do you get rid of computer illiterate people ?
[05:01:24] < BrandonW> Kill them.
[05:01:31] < i_c-Y> who think they are computer literate?
[05:01:43] < BrandonW> Kill them.
[05:01:48] < i_c-Y> i asked kerm and he didnt help. :-/
[05:01:54] < i_c-Y> without the killing
[05:01:57] < BrandonW> He doesn't know how to get rid of them.
[05:01:59] < BrandonW> They follow him.
[05:02:02] < i_c-Y> hm
[05:02:15] < i_c-Y> maybe we can get him to jump off a cliff into the ocean and theyd go with him
[05:05:01] < BrandonW> It just hit me why this wouldn't have worked.
[05:05:03] < BrandonW> It'll work now, of course.
[05:05:09] < BrandonW> But it would've been dumb to do a few years ago.
[05:05:36] < BrandonW> If they change the 04 key in the certificate, it would break it.
[05:05:48] < BrandonW> But they won't do that.
[05:08:20] < mokomull> are you hacking TI while sick?
[05:08:48] < BrandonW> Hmm...
[05:08:50] < BrandonW> Yes.
[05:08:56] < BrandonW> Well, not hacking.
[05:11:00] < mokomull> Take some vitamin C and go to bed.  You need to get better, then hack :)
[05:11:16] <+Nikky> no, hack right now
[05:11:18] < BrandonW> I removed that post because I see a potential problem.
[05:11:35] < BrandonW> The public key on my calculator is different than what's in the boot code.
[05:11:45] < BrandonW> The certificate is VERY unknown, even still.
[05:11:52] < BrandonW> I shouldn't make assumptions on it.
[05:12:13] < BrandonW> You really have to unlock Flash if you want the last 4 digits.
[05:12:20] < BrandonW> But there are plenty of universal methods out there to do that.
[05:12:25] < BrandonW> But I'm not giving those guys Flash unlock exploits.
[05:12:30] < BrandonW> If they don't already have them.
[05:12:38] < BrandonW> Which wouldn't be hard to find if they knew where to look.
[05:12:51] < BrandonW> For some reason, they like to use OS 1.12.
[05:12:55] < BrandonW> Which won't work for my favorite exploit.
[05:13:17] < BrandonW> There's one truly universal one, but it requires you be writing an app.
[05:13:33] < BrandonW> Actually, I think there's _one_...
[05:13:40] < BrandonW> Which would work regardless.
[05:13:56] < BrandonW> It's a stupid hook thing.
[05:14:44] < Netham45> BrandonW, give 'em this: http://pastebin.ca/927311
[05:15:04] < Netham45> they'll never figure out that it only works on  the 84+. :P
[05:15:46] < BrandonW> I wrote that...it only works after you patch it, and it would work on any calculator.
[05:15:59] < BrandonW> As it stands, it would crash anything.
[05:16:15] < BrandonW> If you're going to keep stuff I paste, keep the good stuff. :(
[05:16:21] < mokomull> hah
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[05:17:10] < BrandonW> Like http://rafb.net/p/Cjb0fD81.html
[05:17:16] < BrandonW> Which gets you unlocked on OS 1.13+.
[05:18:17] < BrandonW> Or http://rafb.net/p/pQL6mM15.html
[05:18:22] < BrandonW> Which truly scares me.
[05:20:23] < BrandonW> Alright, that's enough.
[05:20:29] < BrandonW> If TI sees that one, we all die.
[05:20:30] <+Nikky> :)
[05:20:37] < BrandonW> I better sleep before I do something _really_ stupid.
[05:21:16] <+Nikky> :D
[05:21:30] < BrandonW> I know one of you bastards is pasting that in an e-mail to ti-cares@ti.com.
[05:21:33] < BrandonW> But oh well.
[05:21:37] < BrandonW> Knowing them, they'd actually ignore it.
[05:22:08] < BrandonW> I sleep now.
[05:22:38] < Netham45> so
[05:22:43] < Netham45> if I e-mail TI a link to http://rafb.net/p/pQL6mM15.html
[05:22:49] < Netham45> you get a lawsuit?
[05:23:04] < BrandonW> Hardly.
[05:23:09] < BrandonW> They would patch the next Nspire OS.
[05:23:17] < BrandonW> And we would all be set back with finding a way to break it.
[05:23:23] < BrandonW> So if you have any interest at all in the Nspire...don't.
[05:23:38] < DarkAuron> nspire is lame
[05:23:53] < Netham45> hmm
[05:23:53] < BrandonW> For now, yes.
[05:24:00] < Netham45> do I have an intrest in nspire...
[05:24:10] < Netham45> is no an applicable answer?
[05:24:22] < BrandonW> No would be a valid answer, but I think you care.
[05:25:01] < Netham45> and I'm going to get an NSpire how?
[05:25:15] < DarkAuron> buying one at the store
[05:25:16] < BrandonW> You'll find a way, when it's broken.
[05:25:34] < Netham45> BrandonW, DID i FIND A WAY WITH THE 85?
[05:25:36] < Netham45> DAMN CAPS...
[05:25:50] < BrandonW> I had no idea you were trying to get an 85.
[05:26:03] < Netham45> I'm not
[05:26:04] < BrandonW> 85s are everywhere.
[05:26:05] < Netham45> nor was I ever
[05:26:09] < BrandonW> Where there's a will, there's a way.
[05:26:14] < Netham45> yea, one fell into my lap.
[05:26:14] < BrandonW> You have money, I know you do.
[05:26:18] < BrandonW> If you want one, get it.
[05:26:20] < Netham45> not anymore
[05:26:20] < BrandonW> If not, don't.
[05:26:23] < Netham45> I lost my job
[05:26:30] < BrandonW> You'll get another then.
[05:26:52] < Netham45> meh
[05:26:54]  * Netham45 e-mails TI
[05:26:55] < BrandonW> You're just trying to keep me awake.
[05:27:00] < BrandonW> I will not fall for it!
[05:27:05] < Netham45> then gtfo.
[05:27:11] < BrandonW> You first.
[05:27:28] < Netham45> when I leave, TI gets a new e-mail
[05:27:45] < Netham45> what exactly does that crack let us do?
[05:27:48] < BrandonW> Do you really think I would paste such an important thing here?
[05:27:55] < BrandonW> What do you think it lets you do?
[05:28:11] < Netham45> locks the keypad to the 84+ one, from what I've gathered.
[05:28:24] < BrandonW> There are some words that say that, yes.
[05:28:27] < BrandonW> But no, that's not what it does.
[05:28:31] <+Nikky> Fail Netham45 
[05:28:32] <+Nikky> fail
[05:28:41] < BrandonW> TI WANTS you to lock it.
[05:28:53] < BrandonW> They don't want you screwing around on the Nspire keypad when Testguard2 is active.
[05:28:58] < BrandonW> This is how they stop that.
[05:29:05] < Netham45> ah
[05:29:09] < DarkAuron> conspiracy theory!
[05:29:29] < Barrett> Want to hear an interesting fact?
[05:29:32] < Netham45> no.
[05:29:35] < BrandonW> Sure, who has one to tell?
[05:29:41] < Barrett> I can blink my eyes 27 times in under 3 MS
[05:29:51] < DarkAuron> ..
[05:30:22] < BrandonW> zzzzz
[05:30:40] <+Nikky> lol BrandonW 
[05:30:43] <+Nikky> er, Barrett 
[05:31:07] < Netham45> night BrandonW 
[05:31:13] < Netham45> get well soon.
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[05:31:21] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
[05:31:23] < Barrett> and I am not even lying
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[05:31:30] < Barrett> I can prove it for anyone who doesn't believe me
[05:31:33] <+Sir_Lewk> bow before my awesome power
[05:31:34] < Barrett> we can even bet on it
[05:31:47] <+Sir_Lewk> I don't believe you Barrett, prove it
[05:31:53] <+Nikky> I believe you Barrett 
[05:32:15] <+Sir_Lewk> what are we talking about?
[05:32:25] < Barrett> so, 3MS is about 33 days
[05:32:44] < Barrett> I will type a . each time I blink
[05:32:54] < Barrett> if I accomplish this feat in under 33 days, it is proven
[05:32:54] < Netham45> 0MFG H4X
[05:33:12] < Netham45> YOU CHANGED THE TIME CONTINIUM!
[05:33:15] < Netham45> H4X!
[05:33:23] < DarkAuron> three million seconds
[05:33:38] <+Nikky> Took you guys long enough.
[05:33:41] < Barrett> of course... what else would it be?
[05:33:51] <+Nikky> !k Netham45 wallhax
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[05:33:58] < Netham45> :(
[05:34:26] <+Nikky> Finger slipped
[05:35:06] < Netham45> many times?
[05:35:20] < Barrett> no... he has a macro for kicking you
[05:35:38] <+Nikky> F7
[05:35:39] < Netham45> he gets auto-kick, but I don't get auto-rejoin?
[05:35:49]  * bsparks wonders if he could re-make the Thinkpad 701c keyboard for the EeePC
[05:35:52] < Netham45> and your kicking script has applicable kick messages?
[05:36:04] <+Nikky> No
[05:36:15]  * Netham45 needs a bigger memory stick for his psp
[05:36:15] <+Nikky> once I press F7 it shows me 8 different messages
[05:36:23] <+Nikky> choice 9 is a custom one
[05:36:28] < Netham45> Nikky, so you DID slip.
[05:36:41] <+Nikky> Yes, F7, 7
[05:36:42] < Barrett> that's what he said
[05:36:51] <+Nikky> It was slipping downwards
[05:37:04] < i_c-Y> bsparks: butterfly?
[05:37:08] <+bsparks> i_c-Y, yeah
[05:37:24] < i_c-Y> i kinda wish theyd bring it back
[05:37:41] <+bsparks> it was beautiful design
[05:38:22] < Netham45> bsparks, how much you want for just the 4gb and 1gb memory sticks?
[05:38:37] <+bsparks> Netham45, how muh you got?
[05:38:45] < Netham45> none right now
[05:39:06] < Netham45> but, I get my last paycheck thursday
[05:39:45] < Netham45> I'll pay $30 for both of them...
[05:40:44] <+bsparks> no
[05:41:16] < Netham45> ok
[05:41:25] < Netham45> why you ditching your PSP?
[05:41:33] <+Nikky> PSPs suck
[05:41:54] < Netham45> Nikky, so do you.
[05:42:03] < Netham45> but, we tolerate you anyways.
[05:42:19] <+bsparks> Netham45, do you see the last... 3 words of the topic
[05:42:42] <+Nikky> Kick him
[05:42:46] <+bsparks> I can't
[05:43:02] < Netham45> bsparks, yea.
[05:43:03] <+Nikky> shame
[05:43:10] < Netham45> I'd rather have a psp than an ipod video.
[05:43:26] < DarkAuron> damn. 2GB microSD card for $10.25
[05:43:28] < Netham45> but, I have plans for getting a 250gb hd to work with mine.
[05:44:20] <+bsparks> I only use my PSP for music now
[05:44:26] <+bsparks> why not get something designed for music
[05:44:54] <+Nikky> I agree
[05:44:58] <+Nikky> except you should get a zune
[05:45:03] < Netham45> zune > ipod
[05:46:06] < Netham45> wait
[05:46:07] < Netham45> wtf
[05:46:11] < Netham45> I agreed with nikky?!
[05:46:22] <+bsparks> Zune is not FireWire compatable
[05:46:24] <+bsparks> so, no
[05:47:07] <+Nikky> ?
[05:47:08] < Netham45> um
[05:47:14] <+Nikky> lolwut
[05:47:19] <+bsparks> seriously
[05:47:20] < Netham45> if that is a selling point, then wtf is wrong with you??
[05:47:39] <+bsparks> I don't want to wait 3 hours to synch 5gb of music
[05:48:04] <+bsparks> or any time at all to synch a video or few
[05:48:13] < Netham45> um
[05:48:14] <+Nikky> protip
[05:48:20] <+Nikky> Firewire is barely faster than USB 2.0
[05:48:23] <+bsparks> my Mac only has USB 1.1
[05:48:36] < Netham45> I can make an entire backup of my pc(250+gb) to an external usb drive in like 3 hours
[05:48:37] <+Nikky> okay, that's an issue
[05:48:40] < Netham45> oh
[05:48:47] < Netham45> get something better.
[05:48:53] <+bsparks> Netham45, fuck you
[05:48:54] < Netham45> see if you can get a pcmcia usb 2.0 card
[05:49:06] < Netham45> bsparks, ...
[05:49:50] < Netham45> seriously, I was just giving an honest suggestion.
[05:50:08] <+Nikky> It's okay Netham45 
[05:50:12] <+Nikky> Want a hug? :)
[05:50:32] <+bsparks> USB 1.1 s fine by me for just about everything
[05:50:51]  * Sir_Lewk hugs Nikky
[05:50:54] <+bsparks> and for the record, no, a zune is not better
[05:50:57] <+Sir_Lewk> YES! got his wallet!
[05:51:03] <+Nikky> I remember trying to sync music with my old dell 20GB mp3 player on USB 1.1
[05:51:05] <+Nikky> now that took forever
[05:51:12] <+bsparks> a zune is a pos, I have used one for a while, and never liked it
[05:51:24] <+Nikky> Zune 1g or 2g?
[05:51:26] <+bsparks> it felt like it was trying too hard to be what it was
[05:51:29] <+bsparks> 2g
[05:51:33] <+Nikky> Fail
[05:51:42] <+Nikky> apple fanboi
[05:51:43] < DarkAuron> I honestly cannot see why an ipod is any better than a zune by design at all
[05:51:46]  * Netham45 wants his hug
[05:51:49]  * Netham45 hugs nikky
[05:51:58] < Netham45> the big bad zeromus made me feel sad. :(
[05:52:02]  * bsparks rather likes his PSP really for music
[05:52:03] <+Sir_Lewk> the zune AND the ipod are both POS
[05:52:05] <+Nikky> DarkAuron: Well, that's why you work at Best Buy.
[05:52:16] <+bsparks> but 4gb is not enough
[05:52:23] < DarkAuron> Nikky: I've never worked there, nor do I currently even have a job.
[05:52:41] < DarkAuron> Sir_Lewk: agreed
[05:52:50] <+Sir_Lewk> Nikky likes to make accusations
[05:53:00] <+Nikky> Linux, Windows, and OS X all are pieces of crap
[05:53:06] <+Nikky> yet we use them because there is no superior option :)
[05:53:06] < DarkAuron> nikky likes a lot of things :P
[05:53:21] <+Sir_Lewk> Solaris or BSD guy? ;)
[05:53:25] < Netham45> bsparks, someone came out with plans to put a compact flash card in one, and you can get laptop HD -> CF adaptors. look into that, and getting a laptop HD.
[05:53:36] < Netham45> you can put it in your umd drive or something
[05:53:43] <+bsparks> ...no
[05:53:43] < DarkAuron> ...........
[05:53:52] <+bsparks> that's just stupid
[05:53:56] < DarkAuron> netham
[05:54:01] <+bsparks> why the hell would I want to drain the battery MORE
[05:54:03] < DarkAuron> I'm tempted to kick you for breaking the retard meter
[05:54:12] <+bsparks> it already only lasts like, 12h =/
[05:54:15] <+bsparks> les even
[05:54:22] <+Sir_Lewk> netham and stupid should not go in the same sentence
[05:54:26] < Netham45> get another battery?
[05:54:28] < Netham45> :P
[05:54:31] <+Nikky> haha
[05:54:32] <+Sir_Lewk> it's repetitive :P
[05:54:48] <+bsparks> Netham45... wtf? no
[05:54:51] < Netham45> I have a fullsized 250gb drive, I'm trying to find a battery pack for, so I can use it like this.
[05:54:57] <+bsparks> ...
[05:55:04] <+bsparks> I want to put the damned thing in my POCKET
[05:55:07] <+bsparks> not a breifcae
[05:55:09] <+Nikky> I have a bus powered 20gb drive I use for that sort of thing
[05:55:10] <+bsparks> *case
[05:55:39] < Netham45> bsparks, get a small laptop hd, and a 5v battery.
[05:55:49] <+bsparks> ...
[05:55:52] <+bsparks> what the hell, no
[05:55:59] <+bsparks> or, howabout, no
[05:56:03] <+bsparks> maybe, no
[05:56:11] <+Nikky> bsparks is cranky
[05:56:12] <+bsparks> or better yet, just, n.o...
[05:56:34] < Netham45> seriously
[05:56:40] < Netham45> I'm just trying to help
[05:56:44] < Netham45> stop being an asshole
[05:56:50] <+bsparks> you are being stupid
[05:57:05] <+bsparks> why would I want to potentionally ruin a good piece of hardware
[05:57:36] <+bsparks> all I want, is a small, easy to use without sight, music player that I have software and such for, that can use my [ fast ] firewire port
[05:57:52] <+bsparks> and can play 640x480 video when put to tv-out
[05:57:54] < Netham45> ugh
[05:57:59] < Netham45> you're hopeless.
[05:58:20] <+bsparks> not really
[05:58:34] < Netham45> noone is going to trade a BROKEN psp for an ipod video
[05:58:41] < Netham45> a working psp costs like $110 on ebay
[05:58:41] <+bsparks> no, thwey won't
[05:58:55] < Netham45> even with the memory sticks
[05:58:58] < Netham45> noone will.
[05:58:58] <+bsparks> but it has it up there people may ask quetions
[05:58:59] <+Nikky> What is a UMD drive?
[05:59:11] < Netham45> Nikky, a CD drive on the PSP
[05:59:16] <+Nikky> oh
[05:59:20] <+Nikky> is that important?
[05:59:26] < Netham45> for playing games, it is.
[05:59:30] < Netham45> well, without a custom firmware.
[05:59:40] < Netham45> with a custom fw, you can put them on the memory stick, iirc.
[05:59:43] <+Nikky> hrm
[06:00:05] < Netham45> but, you'd have to pirate it.
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[06:01:53] <+Sir_Lewk> http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=208
[06:01:55] <+Sir_Lewk> lol
[06:02:02] <+Sir_Lewk> ESR is a nut
[06:05:21] < Netham45> hhaa
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[09:04:48] <+Sir_Lewk> ah ha, I win at english
[09:05:17] < aardvarc> english isn't a game, it's a language
[09:05:20] <+Sir_Lewk> I just worked several quotes and examples from Orwell's 1984 into this assignment
[09:05:36] <+Sir_Lewk> major bonus points will be achieved
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[09:06:21] <+Sir_Lewk> (seeing as it was not assigned reading)
[09:06:36] < aardvarq> oh in that case yeah you win
[09:08:59] <+Sir_Lewk> my prof loves it when you show that you're literate outside of class
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[10:19:58] <@efneTI86> [Leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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[11:25:15] <@efneTI86> [Captain_A] Censored
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[11:29:14] <@efneTI86> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[11:43:52] <+Sir_Lewk> well, the hard part is done...
[11:44:04] <+Sir_Lewk> now to design the rest of the data structures...
[11:45:27] <+Sir_Lewk> now to just stop using so many damn ellipses on irc...
[11:45:29] <+Sir_Lewk> :P
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[12:38:45] < BrandonW> My shipping notification for my Hong Kong package says "Feel free contact with us."
[12:43:17] < BrandonW> I wonder what free contact feels like.
[12:49:18] <+Sir_Lewk> lol
[12:49:42] <+Sir_Lewk> engrish
[12:52:52] <+ports-> like a vietnamese whore
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[12:54:39] <+Sir_Lewk> Hong Kong whore :P
[12:55:08] < Randomist> Dang, Omnimaga died again?  Isn't that like the eighth or ninth time or something?
[12:56:28] <+Sir_Lewk> lolphail
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[12:57:42] <+ports-> lolcock
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[12:58:03] <+Sir_Lewk> lolvagina
[12:58:19] < Randomist> lolboobs
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[12:59:28] <+ports-> lolsex
[13:01:38] <+Sir_Lewk> lolrape
[13:02:07] <@E-J> would you please stop that
[13:02:44] <+ports-> ass clowns
[13:02:54] <+ports-> why cant you behave?
[13:02:55]  * Randomist kicks TiLP and restarts.
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[13:10:29] < Randomist> Huh, I can't get TiLP working'
[13:11:02] < Randomist> I'm sure the driver is installed and everything, but it keeps giving me errors still.
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[13:14:08] < BrandonW> There Kevin goes blaming us again for Omnimaga going down.
[13:14:28] < Randomist> I think someone else wrote that.
[13:14:50] < BrandonW> Now we're attacking the site by spamming it?
[13:15:17] < Randomist> They still think y'all responsible for that "Anonymous" attack.
[13:15:38] <@E-J> when kevin did go nuts, he was nice some years ago
[13:16:29] < Randomist> Maybe he spammed his own forums to increase activity.
[13:21:55] < BrandonW> No, I doubt that.
[13:22:03] < BrandonW> He may be crazy, but not that crazy.
[13:23:12]  * Randomist knows who's responsible for that whole thing.
[13:24:03] <@E-J> it was YOU!
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[13:25:23] <@efneTI86> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
[13:25:32] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Tari_] by Remius
[13:25:32] < BrandonW> I understand tifreak was banned from the channel and forum for some comment.
[13:25:39] < BrandonW> And now the site's deleted again.
[13:25:49] < BrandonW> They might not be connected, who knows.
[13:26:02] < BrandonW> Time to shower.
[13:26:04] <@E-J> kevin sounds like timo tolkki
[13:26:05] < Randomist> It's someone who's usually both in #omnimaga and this channel and gets kicked/banned often.
[13:26:14] <@E-J> maanisdebressive
[13:26:20] < BrandonW> That can only be Netham.
[13:26:28] < Randomist> That could be him or me.
[13:30:21] <+DSP_Lord> or me
[13:30:23] <+DSP_Lord> owait
[13:30:31] <+DSP_Lord> i don't kicked OR banned like, ever
[13:32:02]  * Randomist goes away and leaves everyone to figure out who.
[13:32:16]  * DSP_Lord stays out of this one
[13:33:43] <@E-J> hmm, little typoes after wakeup, "autonomouse"
[13:34:03] <+DSP_Lord> hi E-J
[13:34:28] <@E-J> hello dsp
[13:35:11] <@E-J> i have to wait for next wage before i can buy new cds like machinae's
[13:35:42] <+DSP_Lord> :)
[13:35:47] <+DSP_Lord> i still need to buy that too
[13:35:56] <+DSP_Lord> btw, what is a euro in dollars these days?
[13:36:10] <+Sir_Lewk> anyone here ever do anything with ncurses?
[13:36:49] <+Sir_Lewk> I'm writing a rogue-like and am trying to figure out the best way of doing something
[13:37:46] <@E-J> i have done something with ncurses, little memory game on course at spring 2003
[13:38:17] <@E-J> DSP_Lord: 1 euro is 1.5 dollars
[13:38:25] <+DSP_Lord> oh wow
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[13:38:58] <+DSP_Lord> that's a lot of MaSu stuff i'm buying then
[13:40:02] <+DSP_Lord> that'll prolly have to wait til my nexdt paycheck
[13:40:05] <+DSP_Lord> *next
[13:43:16] <+Sir_Lewk> basically, I want to be able to load a 2 dimensional level from a file and display it as a grid on the screen
[13:43:43] <+Sir_Lewk> I'm thinking store it as a 2d array then just display each char?
[13:44:37] <@E-J> Sir_Lewk: if i can find those codes somewhere i can send them to you, like i said it was ~5 years ago, and can't remember stuff anymore
[13:44:55] <@E-J> but maybe easier is 1d array
[13:45:01] <+Sir_Lewk> yeah
[13:45:50] <@E-J> but now that i remember i think comments and other stuff in code might be in finnish :P
[13:46:09] <+DSP_Lord> you can translate for him :P
[13:46:21] <+DSP_Lord> also, i herd BrandonW lieks mudkipz
[13:47:38] <+Sir_Lewk> I can probably make out any code that's not to obfuscated, don't waste your time translating it or anything
[13:48:00] <+Sir_Lewk> there's probably an easy way of doing this that I'm not thinking of
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[13:48:36] <+DSP_Lord> hahaha
[13:48:43] <+Sir_Lewk> netslit!
[13:49:02] <+Sir_Lewk> just hub though
[13:49:44] <+DSP_Lord> i laugh cuz it's Andy and Nikky
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[13:51:11] <+Sir_Lewk_> I just joined irc.blessed.net xD
[13:51:52] <+DSP_Lord> heh
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[13:52:37] <@E-J> hmm, whole code is full of finnish named methods, variables and comments
[13:52:47] <+Sir_Lewk_> drat
[13:53:00] <+Sir_Lewk_> gotta go, bbl
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[13:53:03] <@efneTI86> [Lewk_of_S] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
[13:53:06] <@E-J> and some with poor finnish cause one of our team members was russian born
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[14:18:25] < i_c-Y> ouch, E-J 
[14:18:27] < i_c-Y> :-/
[14:18:33] < i_c-Y> i prefer english named methods
[14:18:37] < i_c-Y> and variables and comments
[14:18:42] < i_c-Y> atleast it wasnt swedish :)
[14:18:47] < BrandonW> You killed Omnimaga, i_c-Y.
[14:18:52] < i_c-Y> wha?
[14:18:54] < BrandonW> That's what the page says, anyway.
[14:19:08] < i_c-Y> link
[14:19:13] < BrandonW> http://omnimaga.org/
[14:19:32] < i_c-Y> wont load
[14:19:46] < i_c-Y> screenshot or something?
[14:20:10] < BrandonW> http://rafb.net/p/acU84E81.html It's just text.
[14:20:45] < i_c-Y> oh wow
[14:21:15] < i_c-Y> haha.
[14:21:19] < i_c-Y> Nikky: did you see http://rafb.net/p/acU84E81.html ?
[14:21:23] < BrandonW> Did you really spam him, or is he just singling out a random #tcpa member to attack?
[14:21:37] < i_c-Y> no, i honestly didnt spam him
[14:22:08] < BrandonW> He's determined to bring down this channel. He thinks we're all out to get him.
[14:22:12] < BrandonW> And that we talk about him all the time.
[14:22:21] < BrandonW> The only time he comes up is when he goes off and deletes the site again, like now.
[14:22:22] < i_c-Y> haha.
[14:22:26] <@E-J> i_c-Y: some of my friends was working on software company and he got to see some code which was made as subcontracting in india, with comments in hindi 
[14:22:33] < i_c-Y> o.0
[14:22:43] < i_c-Y> all programs should be written with english names
[14:22:44] < i_c-Y> -_-
[14:22:56] < i_c-Y> the interface can be in whatever language, but write it and comment it in english.
[14:23:38] < i_c-Y> anyway, BrandonW , it will be back in a few days / weeks
[14:23:46] < BrandonW> Just show me English code and I'll figure out what the comments mean.
[14:23:55] < BrandonW> haha, yeah.
[14:23:59] < BrandonW> No one takes these things seriously anymore.
[14:24:09] < BrandonW> The only way they will is if a lot of time passes and it's still actually gone.
[14:24:32] <@E-J> well some cases english isn't enough, and if i make program as project for course where they who look that code are also finnish and my english is on bad shape (like it was 5 years ago) i write finnish code.
[14:24:36] <@E-J> period.
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[14:24:46] <@efneTI86> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[14:26:43] < i_c-Y> im not quite sure why but i find the omnimaga destroying his site notes pretty hillarious 
[14:28:16] < i_c-Y> ie  calling UTI a success.
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[14:32:02] < BrandonW> Netham and other kids will beg him to bring it back up, and they will.
[14:34:49] <@E-J> np: Wintersun - Battle Against Time
[14:44:29] < BrandonW> Now I leave.
[14:45:54] <@E-J> impossible happens, BrandonW _can_ leave from irc
[14:46:04] < BrandonW> Of course not!
[14:46:07] < BrandonW> I just leave the house.
[14:46:11] < BrandonW> I'll be watching the logs.
[14:46:14] < BrandonW> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[14:48:33] < i_c-Y> haha
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[14:49:42] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
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[14:53:55] <@efneTI86> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[15:03:31] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
[15:03:41] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Sir_Lewk] by Remius
[15:10:49] <@E-J> http://crap.fi:81/archive/6319.jpg
[15:17:51] <+Sir_Lewk> E-J, that is awesome
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[16:05:28] < efneTI86> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[16:07:33] < efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
[16:07:43] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Sir_Lewk] by efneTI83
[16:08:23] <+Sir_Lewk> http://pastebin.com/m77f7afe8
[16:08:50] <+Sir_Lewk> I'm getting crap about ifstream not being defined
[16:09:28] <+Sir_Lewk> AH FSCK
[16:09:32] <+Sir_Lewk> never mind x(
[16:09:45] <@Andy_J> I see the problem, you're using c++ >_> <_< >_> <_<
[16:10:18] <+Sir_Lewk> haha, true enough
[16:10:31] <+Sir_Lewk> it's semi-for a class
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[16:16:45] < Spengolo> lab lab lab lab
[16:16:54] < Spengolo> I wish he's just give us the lab :P
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[16:43:09] < efneTI86> [Leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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[16:55:43] < efneTI86> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[17:16:57] < Barrett> oh nooo
[17:17:00] < Barrett> Andy_J: what's wrong?
[17:17:08] <@Andy_J> ?
[17:17:15] < Barrett> you're ill?!
[17:17:28] <@Andy_J> Somewhat.
[17:17:33] <@Andy_J> Sore throat.
[17:17:41] <@Andy_J> feel kind of meh.
[17:23:18] < Barrett> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc4oP_ITqMc
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[17:29:56] < efneTI86> [Tari__] Remember, remember the 5th of November
[17:30:14] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Tari__] by Remius
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[17:39:32] < efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
[17:39:41] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Sir_Lewk] by efneTI89
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[17:58:39] <+bsparks> anyone here have a nice loud LFE?
[17:59:45] < i_c-Y> ?
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[18:00:21] <+bsparks> subwoofer, specifically, one from a nice stereo setup, working, with your stereo, that can play an mp3 file
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[18:00:51]  * bsparks has a very fun song, that makes good use of the LFE
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[18:10:06] < Leofox> Low Frequency Emitter>
[18:10:09] < Leofox> ?
[18:10:47] <+bsparks> mhmm
[18:11:46] < i_c-Y> wonder how long ill keep this wallpaper.
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[18:12:07] < efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
[18:12:12] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Sir_Lewk] by efneTI81
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[18:21:47] < efneTI86> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[18:35:49] < efneTI86> [Tari_] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[18:45:56] <+HQAT> Umm If I am running code in a hook and I want to read data from my app... would I need to set something first? Like wich page it is on or something?
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[18:51:56] <+HQAT> Anyone online?
[18:52:33] <+HQAT> Should I use something like the flashtoram bcall first?
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[18:58:38] <+Nikky> I feel like such a lamezorz
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[18:59:42] <+HQAT> Hey nikky.. do ya know anything about ti83 assembly? :P
[18:59:58] <+Nikky> nope, sorry
[19:00:17] < i_c-Y> he uses the superior ti-89
[19:00:18] < i_c-Y> :)
[19:00:20] <+HQAT> Hmm too bad...
[19:00:28] <+Nikky> I have much data on the ti-89
[19:00:31] <+Nikky> would you like some
[19:00:46] <+HQAT> No thanks... :P
[19:00:46] < i_c-Y> and HQAT , ben or andy or BrandonW should be around sooner or later, they all probably can help you
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[19:00:53] < efneTI86> [Spengo] If at first you don't succeed, you fail.
[19:01:00] <+HQAT> Yeah I'll wait for them... 
[19:01:21] <+Nikky> the rest of us are just leeches
[19:01:34] <+HQAT> The time difference between america and europe is annoying tho...
[19:01:55] <+Nikky> oh hey i_c-Y 
[19:02:01] <+Nikky> great job spamming omnimaga
[19:02:24] < Spengo> omnimaga is still around?
[19:02:27] <+Nikky> except I doubt it was you or anyone here since we don't care enough
[19:03:13] <+Nikky> guess we'll have to troll unitedti now ;)
[19:03:51] < i_c-Y> haha
[19:04:06] <+Nikky> except I think BrandonW is doing a great job of it
[19:04:08] < i_c-Y> i didnt know until BrandonW told me this morning
[19:04:14] <+Nikky> me neither
[19:04:29] <+Nikky> UTI is more succeptable to having someone shatter their idea that they're all little genuises
[19:04:35] <+Nikky> and BrandonW is excellent at that
[19:06:56] <+Nikky> I am AWESOM-O
[19:06:59] <+Nikky> Suck my balls, kyle.
[19:18:18] < mokomull> way to make fun of glk :)
[19:18:42] <+Nikky> Not the first time I've done it
[19:18:54] <+Nikky> but I'm not the old man hater here
[19:19:18] -!- You're now known as V200
[19:19:34] <+Nikky> that was bothering me
[19:19:57] <+ports-> hi
[19:20:01] <+ports-> wheres BrandonW
[19:20:05] <+Nikky> hi ports- 
[19:20:10] <+Nikky> Probably passed out at work
[19:27:54] <+ports-> i had this fancy box that let people watch satelite for free... but it stopped working
[19:28:29] <+Nikky> blame communists
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[19:34:06] < efneTI86> [Captain_A] Censored
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[20:17:55] < i_c-Y> "Figure 5-63 shows a box of dirty money on a frictionless plane inclinded at an angle of 30 degrees. The box is connected via a cord of negligible mass to a box of laundered money on a frictionless plane inclined at angle 60 degrees. the pully is frictionless and has negligible mass. what is the tension in the cord?"
[20:18:05] < i_c-Y> who the hell uses laundered money in a textbook example?
[20:18:30] <+Nikky> Looks like that textbook author just did.
[20:18:55]  * Randomist snickers.
[20:19:40]  * Randomist goes back to trying to figure out how to work timers.
[20:21:50] <@Andy_J> what the hell is the difference between dirty money and laundered money with respect to this problem?
[20:22:11] <+Nikky> Andy_J!
[20:22:15]  * Nikky lurves Andy_J
[20:22:22]  * Andy_J hides
[20:22:36] <+Nikky> :(
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[20:35:30] <+Nikky> the slashdot poll is bullshit
[20:35:39] <+Nikky> the Ascendant is by far cooler than the Enterprise
[20:39:36] <@Andy_J> I have to agree with you on that one
[20:39:39] <@Andy_J> rommie <3
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[20:40:05] < efneTI86> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[21:37:54] <+Nikky> oh, chronomex is back
[21:38:15]  * Randomist kicks GIMP.
[21:38:25] <+Nikky> What's wrong with gimp?
[21:39:08] < Randomist> Nothin'.  It's the first time I'm running it on this comp, and that first time always takes forever.
[21:39:18] < Randomist> Well, on Windows.
[21:39:19] <+Nikky> oh
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[21:45:16] < Randomist> I'm tryin' to spacebar-drag to move a layer and it's not working - the whole window is scrolling instead.  How do I drag layers around in GIMP?
[21:47:47] < Randomist> Never mind.   Someting dumb I forgot to do first.
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[22:04:08] < efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
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[22:06:34] < efneTI86> [DSPLord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[22:12:28] < Randomist> Aww, GIMP crashed.  Luckily I saved...
[22:17:26] <@Grue> Jesus saves.
[22:18:00] < NetZzZ45> no
[22:18:07] < NetZzZ45> jesus makes a good christmas tree ornament.
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[22:18:34] <@E-J> and another work day over
[22:19:18] <@E-J> Netham45: do you know how childish away nicks are
[22:19:29] <@E-J> but then again you are netham
[22:19:35] < Netham45> E-J, I was hiding from someone.
[22:19:41] <@E-J> ach
[22:19:52] <@E-J> then it's almost understandable
[22:21:10] < Netham45> some ass was spamming me with links to pr0n sites.
[22:21:16] < Netham45> he was using proxies, too.
[22:22:10] <@E-J> so ignore isn't option?
[22:22:28] < Netham45> nope.
[22:22:36] < Netham45> hard to ignore proxies/nick changes
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[22:34:03] < efneTI86> [Captain_A] Censored
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[22:35:51] < i_c-Y> well if it isnt el capitan!
[22:45:35] <+Sir_Lewk> lead on oh Kemosabe
[22:46:12] < i_c-Y> hm
[22:46:16] < i_c-Y> i forgot what song that was
[22:46:21] < i_c-Y> Netham45: pro tip: +g
[22:46:41] < Netham45> hmm, yea
[22:46:47] < Netham45>  didn't think of that
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[22:46:54] < efneTI86> [DSPLord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[22:49:14] <+Sir_Lewk> Lone Ranger
[22:49:36] <+Sir_Lewk> Netham45 is Tonto :P
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[22:49:49] < Netham45> http://gizmodo.com/363490/plug+n+play-usb-virus-makes-macbooks-fall-to-pieces
[22:52:16] < Netham45> nsfw http://www.masturbateforpeace.com/ nsfw
[22:55:10] <+Nikky> ...
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