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[00:00:00] < ticalc_nu> HAH!
[00:00:08] < ticalc_nu> I used the TIOS download program included in ti connect
[00:00:15] < ticalc_nu> and now i'm downgraded to v2.22
[00:00:16] < ticalc_nu> w00t!
[00:00:26] < ticalc_nu> haha
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[00:00:32] < ticalc_nu> now i need an anti-test guard
[00:00:36] < ticalc_nu> and krol.
[00:00:45] < ticalc_nu> I already have Mirage, DoorsCS and Omnicalc
[00:00:54] < ticalc_nu> but the ram-settings lost thing pisses me off
[00:01:00] < Randomist> I think BrandonW has some program that makes it look like nothing is installed on the calc.
[00:01:05] < ticalc_nu> is there a way I can program something to auto-restore settings
[00:01:10] < Randomist> I forgot what it's called though.
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[00:02:11] < Randomist> About the auto-restore, I don't think that'd be possible unless you modified TIOS or something.
[00:02:37] < Randomist> (Which is probably illegal.)
[00:03:05] < ticalc_nu> drat
[00:03:11] < ticalc_nu> so the teachers can ALWAYS get you with that one
[00:03:21] < ticalc_nu> so
[00:03:29] < ticalc_nu> is there any good games you guys have heard of?
[00:03:37] < ticalc_nu> I just got altered pheonix
[00:03:39] < ticalc_nu> its  cool
[00:03:44] < ticalc_nu> so's mario
[00:04:10] < ticalc_nu> is BrandonW like the genius
[00:04:23] < DarkAuron> sure
[00:04:39] < Randomist> Let me thing... there's Wolfenstein, Asprin, Grayscale Minesweeper, Stigma, Castlevania, just to name a few...
[00:04:49] < Randomist> * think
[00:04:50] <@benryves> Off the top of my head, Gemini, Desolate, Glass Cars (with two players), ZTris, Laser Mayhem, DStar.
[00:05:20] < ticalc_nu> Castlevania doesnt work
[00:05:26] < ticalc_nu> when i try and execute it
[00:05:30] < ticalc_nu> the screen blinks
[00:05:46] <@benryves> ticalc_nu: I guess you don't have enough free RAM.
[00:05:59] <@benryves> Archive some stuff and try again?
[00:06:10] < Randomist> While Castlevania's a good game, it's pretty big, and it'll proably only work if you have nothing else on your calc except for a shell and the game.
[00:06:17] < ticalc_nu> nope i've archived EVERYTHING and cant get enough :(
[00:06:52] < DarkAuron> having files in archive takes about 10-20 bytes per program, which adds up
[00:07:03] < DarkAuron> 10-20 bytes in RAM*
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[00:07:36] < ticalc_nu> what's the best game you've ever played
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[00:07:42] < ticalc_nu> I want something worth-while
[00:07:45] < ticalc_nu> any good RPGs?
[00:07:51] < ticalc_nu> lol Krol. PWNS!
[00:07:54] < ticalc_nu> just tried it
[00:08:03] <@benryves> The only good RPGs are the ones found in Duke Nukem 3D. ¬_¬
[00:08:04] < Randomist> I thought Desolate was a pretty nice RPG.
[00:08:09] < ticalc_nu> yea
[00:08:12] < ticalc_nu> the graphics are nice
[00:08:18] < ticalc_nu> but it gets old typing in the door keys
[00:08:24] < ticalc_nu> thats why i didnt like it
[00:08:27] < Randomist> Someone at my school beat it in less than half a class period. :P
[00:08:28] < ticalc_nu> NICE graphics though
[00:08:39] < ticalc_nu> Wolfenstien looks bad
[00:08:43] < ticalc_nu> it makes me sick :S
[00:08:47] < DarkAuron> tr1p1ea is the one responsible for desolate's creation
[00:08:52] < DarkAuron> he doesn't seem to come in here that often anymore though.
[00:09:22] < Randomist> Wolfenstien's graphics looks better than zDoom's. :)
[00:09:30] < Randomist> * -ei-
[00:09:54] < ticalc_nu> what's OFFSCRPT
[00:09:59] < ticalc_nu> i found it in my mem
[00:10:11] < ticalc_nu> can i delete it
[00:10:11] < Randomist> A script that gets executed when you turn the calc off.
[00:10:18] <@Andy_J> He's right, for once.
[00:10:21] < ticalc_nu> wtf...did krol. did that?
[00:10:27] <@Andy_J> probably
[00:10:37] < ticalc_nu> can i delete it or is it harmless
[00:10:41] < ticalc_nu> can i archive it
[00:10:45] < Randomist> It's harmless, and no.
[00:10:45] <@Andy_J> assuming you mean krolypto
[00:10:53] < ticalc_nu> yea
[00:11:00] <@Andy_J> it's used for the password protection on poweron
[00:11:04] <@Andy_J> maybe other things
[00:11:07] < ticalc_nu> ok thanks man
[00:11:08] <@Andy_J> it won't work if it's archived
[00:11:11] < ticalc_nu> you guys are really cool
[00:11:19] < ticalc_nu> so the best game?
[00:11:20] < ticalc_nu> anyone?
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[00:11:52] < ticalc_nu> is Duke Nukem 3D good?
[00:12:08] < Spengo> of course it is
[00:12:36] < ticalc_nu> where can i get it
[00:12:59] <@benryves> ticalc_nu: I was referring to the Rocket Propelled Grenade (RPG) in the classic DOS first-person shooter, not a calculator game. ;)
[00:13:03] < Spengo> you can buy it
[00:13:05] < Spengo> or pirate it
[00:13:07] < ticalc_nu> oh
[00:13:09] < Randomist> ticalc_nu: Oh, yeah, by the way, regarding OS 2.30:  http://calcg.org/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?t=8348
[00:13:10] < ticalc_nu> i meant calc game
[00:13:13] < Spengo> oh
[00:13:17] < Spengo> there's a duke 3d calc game now?
[00:13:27] < ticalc_nu> no
[00:13:28] < ticalc_nu> well
[00:13:28] < ticalc_nu> idk
[00:13:32] < ticalc_nu> i thought there was
[00:13:34] < Randomist> I don't think there is.
[00:13:37] < ticalc_nu> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/350/35073.html
[00:13:40] < ticalc_nu> its BASIC
[00:13:42] < ticalc_nu> so...meh
[00:13:45] < Spengo> ewww
[00:13:49] < ticalc_nu> take too much RAM
[00:13:50] < Randomist> Oh, God.
[00:13:55] < [r00723r0> Is there any possible way to remove an installed hw3patch? I'm just curious if it's OK to remove.
[00:14:01] < ticalc_nu> whats that
[00:14:02] <@benryves> There is a 68K version of Duke Nukem, though.
[00:14:11] <+bsparks> [r00723r0, uhh, don't remove it
[00:14:12] < Spengo> for 83+/84+ I always thought the best fps was gemini
[00:14:19] <+bsparks> Spengo, WOOOOOOOO
[00:14:21] <+bsparks> YEAH
[00:14:22]  * benryves votes Spengo.
[00:14:28] < Randomist> Spengo++
[00:14:31] < [r00723r0> I mean remove as in hw3patch, not the actual patch.
[00:14:32] < Spengo> for 68k I like oblivion and corridor 99
[00:14:38] <+bsparks> [r00723r0, yes
[00:14:58] < ticalc_nu> YEAH
[00:14:59] < ticalc_nu> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/407/40732.html
[00:15:08] < [r00723r0> Yes, I can remove it? Or yes, I understood previously?
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[00:15:11] <@efneTI86> [Tar1] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[00:15:17] <+bsparks> [r00723r0, yes
[00:15:21] <@benryves> Guitar Hero sort of loses the point when there's no actual music :\
[00:15:22] < Spengo> benryves, I think the 68 duke nukem game is a sidescroller though like the originals
[00:15:27] < Spengo> 68k
[00:15:27] < ticalc_nu> holy sh*t
[00:15:27] < ticalc_nu> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/400/40006.html
[00:15:30] < ticalc_nu> nice graphics
[00:15:34] < ticalc_nu> wish i had an 89
[00:15:34] < Spengo> I tried it once, it was kinda buggy
[00:15:38] < [r00723r0> bsparks :(
[00:15:47] < Spengo> lol ticalc_nu wanna see something really bitchin?
[00:15:48] <@benryves> Spengo: Yep, which is why I lost the "3D" qualifier. :)
[00:15:53] < Spengo> search for space dementia 2
[00:16:05] < Spengo> full 3D space battles with filled shaded polygons and stuff
[00:16:06] <+bsparks> USB 1.1 is so sloooowww
[00:16:09] < ticalc_nu> interesting
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[00:16:29] < Spengo> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/303/30397.html
[00:16:31] <@benryves> Well done, Spengo... :P
[00:16:31] < Spengo> wat
[00:16:32] < Spengo> lol
[00:16:37]  * bsparks needs usb 2.0 :<
[00:16:38] < Spengo> he just died
[00:17:19] < Randomist> Isn't there a flight simulator for the 68k calcs that came out a while back ago.  It looked really neat.
[00:17:35] < Randomist> Almost like a video, kind of.
[00:17:38] < Spengo> I remember there being a demo, it was really hard to see stuff
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[00:19:31] < ir2cool> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/407/40744.html
[00:19:39] < ir2cool> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/407/40744.html
[00:19:43] < ir2cool> is that good
[00:19:55] < Spengo> dunno never played that
[00:19:57] < Spengo> looks lulzy
[00:20:01] < ir2cool> whats best RPG
[00:20:23] < Spengo> probably Ultima V
[00:20:26] < Spengo> but that isn't out yet
[00:20:42] < Randomist> Zelda will be for the z80, maybe, if that ever gets finished.
[00:21:01] < ir2cool> dude
[00:21:06] < ir2cool> for the ti 84+
[00:21:09] < ir2cool> im not rich
[00:21:45] < Barrett> ?
[00:21:50] < Spengo> oh for the 84+?
[00:21:54] < Spengo> hmm..
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[00:22:49] < ir2cool> si senor
[00:23:31] < Spengo> oh you know what you should get?
[00:23:33] < ir2cool> FUCK
[00:23:34] < Spengo> the alien breed games
[00:23:36] < Spengo> those were cool
[00:23:38] < ir2cool> I tried them!
[00:23:47] < ir2cool> They make the screen go blank for 4 seconds
[00:23:49] < ir2cool> and do nothin
[00:23:51] < Spengo> :o
[00:24:01] < Spengo> you using mirage or crunchy?
[00:24:05] < Spengo> or noshell?
[00:24:27] < ir2cool> mirage
[00:24:43] < Spengo> sqrxz is great, one of the best platformers on 83+
[00:24:46] < Barrett> wow... in the West, teams 1 and 7 are separated by 3 games
[00:24:53] < Barrett> that's insane this late in the season
[00:24:54] < Barrett> (NBA)
[00:25:05] < Spengo> dying eyes is a decent rpg, even if the gfx are lulzy
[00:25:23] < Spengo> there was a final fantasy one in asm too that was pretty good
[00:26:06] < Spengo> and those reuben quest ones in basic are pretty good if you have an 84+ or 83+SE
[00:26:15] < Spengo> the regular 83+ they run slow and craptastic though
[00:26:28] < ir2cool> asstastic
[00:26:29] < ir2cool> ok
[00:26:31] < ir2cool> i gotta go
[00:26:35] < Nikky> bye!
[00:26:40] < Spengo> catch22 is great
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[00:26:46] < Spengo> lol
[00:27:03] < Spengo> I remember playing catch 22 with one of my friends a lot
[00:27:26] < Spengo> that kid who rode the same bus as me to high school :P
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[00:28:29] < Spengo> oh that Hunterkll guy, yeah he sucks
[00:28:33] < Spengo> oh, hi Hunterkll 
[00:28:36] < Hunterkll> ,.!..
[00:29:17] < Nikky> Hunterkll sucks
[00:31:49] < Spengo> wow
[00:31:59] < Spengo> lookin' at those screenshots brings back memories lol
[00:32:15] < Spengo> that was like, the main game we played on the bus lmao
[00:35:59] < Spengo> lol... I should go steal my 83+ back from my little brother and see if there were any unfinished saved games on there
[00:40:02] < Spengo> did anyone else play that game?
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[00:49:39] < millinao> http://www.krazydad.com/asciicam/
[00:49:39] < Randomist> Which one?
[00:50:35] < millinao> What?
[00:50:44] < Randomist> Never mind.
[00:52:30] < millinao> oh, and http://www.coverpop.com/whitney/index.php?var=v14
[00:52:44] < millinao> listen to that with headphones, it still gives me shivers
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[00:55:49] <@efneTI86> [DSPLord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[01:12:33]  * Randomist look around.
[01:14:36]  * i_c-Y fires a portal ontop of Netham45 
[01:14:41]  * i_c-Y fires a portal under Randomist 
[01:14:42] < i_c-Y> :D
[01:14:50] < i_c-Y> two military androids 1 stone
[01:15:01] < Netham45> no
[01:15:09] < Netham45> androids are highly specialized and trained
[01:15:22] < Netham45> I'm highly immature, and he's random.
[01:15:40] < Randomist> I has bad programmin'.
[01:15:43] < Netham45> but, I digress, don't fucking highlight me.
[01:16:02] < Randomist> I smell a kick coming on...
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[01:16:08] < i_c-Y> damn it
[01:16:11] < i_c-Y> benryves: :)
[01:16:13] <@benryves> How astute, Randomist. :P
[01:16:22] < i_c-Y> on another note, i need to buy stronger hot sauce
[01:16:32] < millinao> no hot sauce is too hot
[01:16:46] < millinao> unless its that super hot kill you stuff
[01:16:46] < i_c-Y> all i could find is tabasco
[01:16:59] < i_c-Y> and i used a quarter of it in my cup noodles
[01:16:59] < Randomist> I like hot hot sauce; it is worth the heartburn I get. :P
[01:17:01] < i_c-Y> and its still not hot
[01:17:43] < millinao> heartburn is fun
[01:18:18] <@benryves> Just go and eat a decent curry. :)
[01:18:36] < i_c-Y> but curry costs more money than cup noodles
[01:18:36] < Netham45> i_c-Y, get this: http://extremefood.com/product.php?id=12
[01:19:45] < Netham45> or this: http://extremefood.com/product.php?id=83
[01:20:10] < millinao> we have that hot sauce that you use a tiny tiny amount
[01:20:19] < millinao> for an entire bowl of stuff
[01:20:43] < i_c-Y>  i could probably drink this stuff
[01:20:47] < Netham45> well, that stuff I just pointed out, you have to sign a disclaimer
[01:20:49] < i_c-Y> (tabasco , not the 3am reserve)
[01:20:51] < Netham45> I doubt it.
[01:20:52] < Netham45> oh
[01:21:32] < Netham45> tabasco isn't exactly hot
[01:21:38] < Netham45> tasty, but not really all that hot
[01:22:05] < i_c-Y> i dont like the flavor really
[01:22:17] < i_c-Y> too vinegary
[01:22:20] < Netham45> I always get the chipolte stuff
[01:22:23] < Netham45> I like vinegar.
[01:22:27] < Netham45> I eat it on rice.
[01:23:19] < millinao> I <3 Crimson Editor
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[01:25:08]  * Randomist <3 Latenite.
[01:25:18] < Randomist> But, again, no one asked me. :)
[01:25:27]  * Netham45 <3 Notepad.
[01:25:50] < Randomist> Add two plus signs to that and I love it, too.
[01:25:58] < millinao> notepad is ok, but it doesn't display \n right for some reason
[01:26:14]  * Andy_J <3 nano
[01:26:31] <@Andy_J> millinao: because windows normal text controls don't know what a solitary \n means
[01:26:35] <@Andy_J> nothing to do with notepad itself
[01:26:45] < Netham45> damnit
[01:26:49] < Netham45> now I want some hotsauce
[01:26:50] < millinao> well, i'm using \n as the word for newline
[01:27:01] < i_c-Y> its \r\n on windows, \n elsewhere. 
[01:27:06] < i_c-Y> actually should say DOS/Windows
[01:27:07] < Randomist> This chicken that I am eating could use some spiciness.
[01:27:13] < Netham45> I don't even think that I have any tabasco here...
[01:27:33] < Randomist> I thought Macs used \r and UNIX used \n and Windows \r\n.
[01:27:34] < millinao> well, when I open up code in notepad it sometimes shows up little boxes instead of newline
[01:27:37] <@benryves> i_c-Y: Not to forget classic Mac OS, \r
[01:27:46] < i_c-Y> benryves: yeah but nobody cares about macs :)
[01:27:56] < Randomist> lol
[01:28:00] < millinao> what is \r?
[01:28:08] < Randomist> Return, I think.
[01:28:10] <@benryves> Carriage return.
[01:28:12] < i_c-Y> carrige return
[01:28:17] < Netham45> carrige return
[01:28:22] < i_c-Y> carrige return line feed :)
[01:28:26] < Netham45> \n is line feed
[01:28:27] < i_c-Y> that is what rindows uses.
[01:28:33] < Barrett> carriage return
[01:28:39] < Randomist> Late.
[01:28:51] <@Andy_J> \r\n on windows, \n on *nix, \r on <= OS 9.2.1
[01:29:12] < millinao> what does mac use >OS 9.2.1?
[01:29:15] < millinao> \n?
[01:29:18] <@benryves> DOS EDIT can handle \n on its own.
[01:29:23] <@Andy_J> > 9.2.1 is ?nix
[01:29:23] < i_c-Y> millinao: \n
[01:29:26] < V200> carriage return
[01:29:26] <@Andy_J> *nix even
[01:29:56]  * i_c-Y gives Randomist some hotsauce
[01:30:04] < millinao> is it possible to install OS X's windowing manager in another linux distro?
[01:30:12] <@Andy_J> No.
[01:30:18] < i_c-Y> you can have X11 though :)
[01:30:20] < millinao> *nix, rather
[01:30:23] <@Andy_J> Because "another" impies that OS X is a linux distro.
[01:30:25] < i_c-Y> mainly because the mac devils stole it.
[01:30:38] < i_c-Y> whats the default wm on darwin?
[01:30:39] <@benryves> I'm not sure exactly where Notepad's problems come from. (Unless the .NET wrapper around the TextBox control "fixes" the problem, as it doesn't have the same issues).
[01:30:54] <@Andy_J> ugh
[01:31:01] <@Andy_J> do I really want VC++ on my tower =\
[01:31:03] < millinao> i'm confusing terms, I meant *nix derivitave
[01:31:11] <@Andy_J> I need C# I guess for messing with XNA =\
[01:31:31] < Randomist> GNU-Darwin's default is WindowManager.
[01:31:33] < i_c-Y> C and C++ are the superior programming languages!
[01:31:33] <@Andy_J> though it seems that XNA only wants 2k5 so this 2k8 might not work
[01:31:40] < Randomist> * TWM
[01:31:41] <@benryves> Andy_J: Last I checked the installer wouldn't run without VC# EE 2005 installed.
[01:31:58] <@benryves> Which is mildly irritating, to say the least. :\
[01:31:59] <@Andy_J> benryves: so I'm going to have to download 2k5 anyway? FAIL.
[01:32:05] < millinao> I like C++ and perl
[01:32:26] < i_c-Y> benryves: lies.
[01:32:26] < Randomist> I would like those, but I am stuck with PHP. :(
[01:32:43] < Randomist> At least until I get off my lazy ass and read the manual.
[01:32:55] <@benryves> Andy_J: The XNA GSE plugins (content pipeline, templates) only work with 2005 anyway... at least, I assume they do, as they're not available from my copy of 2008.
[01:32:58] < millinao> perl isn't that hard to understand
[01:33:03] <@Andy_J> Bah.
[01:33:14] <@benryves> Perl's a great example of a write-only programming language.
[01:33:17] <@Andy_J> Is it possible to have 2k5 and 2k8 on the same windows install?
[01:33:20] < i_c-Y> yes
[01:33:35] <@benryves> Andy_J: Aye, all versions of VS coexist in peaceful harmony (or something like that). :\
[01:33:40] <@Andy_J> Good.
[01:33:43] < i_c-Y> all but 5 and 6, benryves 
[01:33:44] < millinao> bah, I can read perl
[01:33:49] <@Andy_J> Because I want to honestly give VS2k8 a fair try.
[01:33:57] < i_c-Y> guess which part of VS 5 doesnt coexist with VS 6?
[01:34:01] < millinao> unless it is !#$#^%! shit
[01:34:21] <@Andy_J> I suppose it's going to force a reboot when it's done installing
[01:34:26] < i_c-Y> EE doesnt.
[01:34:46] < i_c-Y> MS is nice to developers :)
[01:34:53] <@benryves> Andy_J: It's definitely worth it for .NET, I don't think VC++ gets much of an upgrade though. You don't need to manually install the WSDK with VC++EE 2008, at least.
[01:35:10] < Hunterkll> MS is 'nice' to developers?
[01:35:12] < Randomist> Ohh... I wish I had me an LCD monitor.
[01:35:23] <@benryves> Hunterkll: Yes... :)
[01:35:27] < Hunterkll> IT'd be nice if they included VS.Net Ent. Arch. edition with every copy of windows.... that'd be nice to developers
[01:35:39] < Hunterkll> or gave away the source code to the basic underpinnings of their OS
[01:35:47] < i_c-Y> hey, shut up , Hunterkll 
[01:35:54] < i_c-Y> i said nice, not stupid.
[01:36:02] <@benryves> Why would developers need the Windows source code? :\
[01:36:04] <@Andy_J> well I have ~35 gigs free on C:
[01:36:12] <@benryves> (Either way, they have released the .NET framework class library source code).
[01:36:30] < Randomist> Same reason Linux developers would want Linux source code?  [Ducks.]
[01:36:34] <@Andy_J> i_c-Y: I'm installing whatever version you can download from channel8
[01:36:48] < i_c-Y> sweet
[01:36:57] < Hunterkll> i_c-Y: How is any of that stupid?
[01:37:18] < Hunterkll> Free dev tools and knowledge of what you're coding against?
[01:37:26] < i_c-Y> how many people use VS.net to make that reasonable?
[01:37:34] < i_c-Y> and you dont need that knowledge
[01:37:37] <@benryves> Hunterkll: Which is what they've been giving away gratis since at least 2003.
[01:37:37] < millinao> Is there a way to add key shortcuts?
[01:37:48] < millinao> as in windows+c opens a program
[01:37:50] < Hunterkll> Benryves: Enterprise Architect edition? :/
[01:37:58] < i_c-Y> yes, millinao 
[01:38:01] < Randomist> millinao:  There is the
[01:38:07] <@benryves> Hunterkll: You specified "free dev tools", not a specific version of Visual Studio.
[01:38:10] < Hunterkll> ;)
[01:38:13] < i_c-Y> right click -> properties
[01:38:18] < i_c-Y> shortcut -> shortcut key
[01:38:19] < Randomist> shortcut key thing when you go to shortcut properties
[01:38:19] < Hunterkll> The version with all the bells and whistles that does all the tricks
[01:38:29] < Randomist> But I couldn't get it to work for me.
[01:38:37] < Hunterkll> Not crippleware ;)
[01:38:40] < millinao> where do I right click
[01:38:43] < millinao> what shortcut menu?
[01:38:48] <@benryves> Hunterkll: Have you used any of the Express Editions?
[01:38:57] < Randomist> Create a shortcut to the place you want to open?
[01:39:04] < i_c-Y> they arent really that crippled, Hunterkll 
[01:39:11] < i_c-Y> ICC works fine with EE VC++
[01:39:14] < Hunterkll> Yes, I have used them
[01:39:16] < Randomist> * thing
[01:39:28] < i_c-Y> which is really nice.
[01:39:31] < Randomist> And then it is in the Properties menu when you right-click that.
[01:39:38] < Hunterkll> ICC is nice on any platform 
[01:40:03] < Hunterkll> sigh
[01:40:16] < Hunterkll> here's my take on express editions
[01:40:19] < Hunterkll> Where's my SQL debugger?
[01:40:19] < millinao> oh, sweet
[01:40:32] < i_c-Y> you can do more than most common tasks in VC++ by default, and if you need an obscure task, you probably should be paying for it anyway
[01:40:39] < Hunterkll> No web refrefrences in winforms apps?
[01:40:51] < Hunterkll> Only connecting to SQL server express, not something like MySQL?
[01:40:58] < Hunterkll> limited refactoring features?
[01:41:27] < Hunterkll> source code control / versioning ?
[01:41:30] < Hunterkll> addins or macros?
[01:41:34] < Hunterkll> how about remote debugging?
[01:41:46] < Hunterkll> anything on class designer, eh?
[01:41:56] < Hunterkll> fuck, how about something basic, like unit testing?
[01:42:29] < i_c-Y> how about most people DONT NEED THAT.
[01:42:29] <@Andy_J> ... I don't see a link to get my key for vs2k5...
[01:44:05] < i_c-Y> hunterkll sounds like a damn ubuntard
[01:44:30] < Hunterkll> Er
[01:44:36] < Exploiter> Hunterkll, you on irc.partyvan?
[01:44:38] < Hunterkll> if you're writing a moderatly complex peace of software
[01:44:48] < Hunterkll> you'd PROBABLY want to do some unit testing
[01:45:01] < Hunterkll> Exploiter: I stream the #prank show occasionally
[01:45:14] < Hunterkll> I was streaming when we did the epic pedo call where we got the dude to delete ntldr
[01:45:19] < Netham45> hahahahaha
[01:45:25] < Netham45> I put communism into sloganizer.net
[01:45:37] < Netham45> and the first thing it came up with was, "Communism - first class!"
[01:46:21] < Hunterkll> "it says if i delete it windows wont' work anymore"
[01:46:21] < millinao> haha that owns
[01:46:28] < Hunterkll> "noo no, that's just because of the virus, go ahead and click yes"
[01:46:47] < i_c-Y> Hunterkll: so? theres other ways to do it outside built in, and people who need to wont be doing stuff like that or will get over it or get a regular vs
[01:46:51] < Hunterkll> "Sir, you just got owned, sir, you just got fucked in front of 150 people... 100+ people heard you delete your shit
[01:46:54] < Exploiter> sounds like fun
[01:47:14] < millinao> hahaha
[01:47:15] < Hunterkll> i_c-Y: I'm just saying that windows is pretty much the only platform this shit isn't free and included by default
[01:47:28] < millinao> I put in Sex: "Sex for a professional image"
[01:47:40] <@benryves> I'd guess that that's because the majority of users are not software developers.
[01:47:55] < i_c-Y> so they dont need shit. which is a point i made already.
[01:48:03] < i_c-Y> its exactly the ubuntard mentality, benryves 
[01:48:08] < i_c-Y> OH WE CAN BUILD SOFTWARE
[01:48:14] < i_c-Y> NEVER MIND YOU DONT HAVE A FUCKIN COMPILER!
[01:48:26] <@benryves> (And any time Microsoft decide to bundle any vaguely useful software with their OS, they get shafted over this "antitrust" bollocks).
[01:48:43] < millinao> Does ubuntu not come with gcc?
[01:48:43]  * Nikky compiles i_c-Y 
[01:48:53] <@Andy_J> Not by default, no.
[01:48:54] < Nikky> who cares
[01:48:55] < i_c-Y> millinao: didnt used to
[01:48:58] < millinao> wtf
[01:48:59] < Nikky> java kicks the shit out of c
[01:49:02] <@Andy_J> You have to install it manually.
[01:49:16] < millinao> who the fuck wouldn't want gcc on a linux install
[01:49:24] < i_c-Y> its kinda a bitch when you have to build a kernel module to get networking, but you dont have the friggin compiler to build the fuckin module.
[01:49:34] <@Andy_J> millinao: an ubuntard
[01:49:48] < Exploiter> ?I quit smoking with autofellatio.?
[01:49:56] < Exploiter> lolz
[01:49:59] <@Andy_J> Exploiter: we don't care about sloganizer
[01:50:05] < millinao> even an ubuntutard needs a compiler to make install
[01:50:13] < i_c-Y> millinao: they dont make install.
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[01:50:17] <@efneTI86> [DSP_Lord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
[01:50:18] <@benryves> At least Windows comes bundled with a C#/VB compiler, I guess. ¬_¬
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[01:50:29] <@Andy_J> uhg
[01:50:30] < i_c-Y> they go start -> control panel -> add remove programs and add it there.
[01:50:33] <@Andy_J> an hour to download vs2k5
[01:50:33] < millinao> How else do you install stuff?
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[01:50:43] < millinao> well, I guess you can use debs
[01:50:46] <+Merthsoft> Andy_J: use 2k8
[01:50:47] < i_c-Y> ( thats alluding to synaptic )
[01:50:53] <@Andy_J> Merthsoft: XNA doesn't work with 2k8
[01:51:03] <+Merthsoft> realy?
[01:51:05] <+Merthsoft> lame
[01:51:14] < Randomist> At least they make it easy to install.
[01:51:23] <@Andy_J> Tells me to go install 2k5 when I try to install it.
[01:51:23] <+Merthsoft> then son't get vs just get c#
[01:51:28] <@benryves> Andy_J: Do you need content pipeline/Xbox 360 compatibility?
[01:51:29] < Randomist> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:51:44] <@Andy_J> benryves: I was hoping to play with writing code for my 360, yes.
[01:51:45] < millinao> still, it should come with it
[01:51:52] < i_c-Y> Randomist: when im on a fuckin linux machine
[01:51:57] < i_c-Y> i expect that to be there for me
[01:52:01] < Exploiter> Andy_J, you gotta admit this is funny: ?autofellatio, better than sex.?
[01:52:02] < i_c-Y> which is why i use slackware
[01:52:09] < millinao> Andy_J: you have to pay 100 bucks to use the code on a  360, don't you?
[01:52:09] < Randomist> I hate that, too.
[01:52:12] < i_c-Y> cause i dont take bullshit from anyone or anything.
[01:52:16] < i_c-Y> millinao: ...no?
[01:52:22] <@Andy_J> millinao: 12-month free trial for being a studen
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[01:52:26] <@benryves> Andy_J: I think you'll be stuck with 2K5, then :(
[01:52:27] < millinao> the creators club or whatever
[01:52:31] < Randomist> I wonder if they will include that in Hardy?
[01:52:34] < millinao> oh, damn
[01:52:40] < i_c-Y> hardy can go and fuck itself hard.
[01:52:44] <@Andy_J> at least if I read it properly
[01:53:12] <@Andy_J> yeah, 12-month free membership
[01:53:32] < millinao> hot damn, I gotta get in that
[01:53:45] <@Andy_J> channel8.msdn.com
[01:53:48] < Randomist> Lol, why am I asking about Ubuntu anyway?  I don't even care. :P
[01:54:34] < i_c-Y> cause ubuntu makes me angry, Randomist 
[01:57:52] < millinao> people using ubuntu is like the 5 year old kids playing with a toy vaccuum and saying "I'm helping mommy!"
[01:58:05] < Randomist> millinao++
[01:58:27] < Netham45> hahaha
[01:58:29] < i_c-Y> you know
[01:58:37] <+Merthsoft> my professors, who have been usuing unix longer than you've been alive, like ubuntu
[01:58:50] < Randomist> Poor guy.
[01:58:58] < millinao> Merthsoft: don't spoil my fun. :P
[01:58:59] < i_c-Y> a good way to get on my good side is if i arrive in the middle of a conversation on linux is to immedietly start insulting ubuntu
[01:59:01] < Randomist> My sympathies go out to him.
[01:59:06] < i_c-Y> Merthsoft: who the hell cares?
[01:59:31] < i_c-Y> just because youve been using unix for longer than most of us have been alive doesnt mean your opinion is worth anything.
[01:59:42] <+Merthsoft> and yours is?
[01:59:49] < Randomist> Ubuntu sucks.  Period.
[01:59:52] <+Merthsoft> i think you guys hate ubuntu just because it's making linux more popular, and you guys want to be exclusive elitist assholes
[01:59:56] < i_c-Y> my opinion is the superior opinion.
[02:00:01] < millinao> lol
[02:00:03] < i_c-Y> Merthsoft: we hate it cause it SUCKS.
[02:00:07] < i_c-Y> and why the hell is Merthslop here
[02:00:35] <@Andy_J> it does suck
[02:01:07] < i_c-Y> two things i dont want people using are gentoo and ubuntu. 
[02:01:08] < Nikky> I agree with Merthsoft 
[02:01:18] <@Andy_J> gentoo used to be decent
[02:01:20] <+Merthsoft> because you're an elitist
[02:01:22] <@Andy_J> epic fail anymoe
[02:01:25] <@Andy_J> *anymore
[02:01:40] <+Merthsoft> thanks Nikky <3
[02:01:47] < Randomist> I've probably asked this question somewhere near an infinite amount of times, but why do people always choose the worst things as the best?
[02:01:49] < i_c-Y> Andy_J: theres no gain now (little gain back in the day) , a gui installer? why the hell do you need that, and emerge is just a waste of time at best now.
[02:01:59] < i_c-Y> Randomist: i have no idea. 
[02:02:14] <@Andy_J> more like they can't keep config setups stable for more than a week at a time anymore
[02:02:23] < i_c-Y> they never could.
[02:02:23] <@Andy_J> you spend more time updating configs than you do compiling!
[02:02:31] <@Andy_J> it didn't used to be this bad
[02:02:43] < i_c-Y> it was if you had poor hardware and just wanted to try out emerge!
[02:03:02] < i_c-Y> a few years back, probably when 2004.0 was new or whatever
[02:03:14] < i_c-Y> i got gentoo cause i wanted to see what these "bsd like ports" were
[02:03:28] < i_c-Y> cause i was running freebsd and i had something that didnt work well in it
[02:03:34] < i_c-Y> so i used it
[02:03:37] < i_c-Y> and it was a piece of crap
[02:03:40] < i_c-Y> :)
[02:04:04] < millinao> ok i_c-Y: what IS a good distro?
[02:04:06] < Randomist> I liked it for the short amount of time I used it, and was probably just lucky nothing broke.
[02:04:06] < i_c-Y> took about a week to get everything setup, took an absurd amount of hd space too.
[02:04:10] < i_c-Y> millinao: slackware of course.
[02:04:14] < i_c-Y> !qfind slackware
[02:04:15] <@efneTI86> 1200:E-JL: <i_c-Y> yes because the only truely good linux distro is slackware!!! <i_c-Y> and benryves
[02:04:17] <@efneTI86> (All of 1 match)
[02:04:27] < millinao> I've heard of that, never tried it though
[02:04:36] < i_c-Y> eh. its superior.
[02:04:37] < i_c-Y> :)
[02:04:40] < Randomist> I tried it, but am too lazy to use it. :P
[02:04:49] < millinao> what about fedora?
[02:04:55] < i_c-Y> i dont like fedora
[02:05:05] < i_c-Y> or most redhat products
[02:05:12] < i_c-Y> but they are definately workable
[02:05:19] < Randomist> Fedora sucks less than SuSE. :P
[02:05:28] < i_c-Y> i just have to remember that im on fedora, which is a bit annoying. 
[02:05:38] < i_c-Y> rhel is pretty nice
[02:05:42] <@Andy_J> so does vs2k8 come with any wm sample code? >_>
[02:05:42] < Randomist> What sucks about Fedora?
[02:05:46] < i_c-Y> centos - cheap hack but meh.
[02:05:53] < i_c-Y> i dont like the repo setup for one, Randomist 
[02:06:06] < i_c-Y> and i dont like how they organize some of their directory structures.
[02:06:10] < i_c-Y> and i dont really like yum.
[02:06:26] <@benryves> Andy_J: wm?
[02:06:28] < i_c-Y> Andy_J: wm?
[02:06:32] <@Andy_J> winders mobile
[02:06:33] < Randomist> Don't they got ap out for Fedora?
[02:06:37] < Randomist> * apt
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[02:07:02] <@Andy_J> I'm not seeing anything jump out at me =\
[02:07:18] < i_c-Y> Andy_J: i think its a separate disk for the docs and stuff and that, but theres plenty of samples on the msdn website.
[02:07:31] <@benryves> Andy_J: I guess that would be included in the Windows Mobile SDK, much like the samples for normal Windows apps are in the WSDK.
[02:07:45] < i_c-Y> doesnt the windows mobile sdk ship on a separate disk?
[02:07:48] <@Andy_J> well, it seems to have installed support for coding for wm5
[02:07:59] <@Andy_J> It let me make a new smart device project
[02:07:59] < i_c-Y> or is it just docs?
[02:08:08] < i_c-Y> or am i in the wrong vs version?
[02:12:45] < Randomist> The greatest programming language in the universe is...
[02:12:58] <+DSP_Lord> BASIC, obv.
[02:13:00]  * DSP_Lord runs
[02:13:07] <@Andy_J> Brainfuck.
[02:13:15] <+DSP_Lord> lol
[02:13:23] <+DSP_Lord> Andy_J: leegz good or bad?
[02:13:27] <@Andy_J> Meh.
[02:13:38] <@Andy_J> gh can diaf
[02:13:40] <+DSP_Lord> i did crappy, considering i had to use the xploder
[02:13:42] <@Andy_J> rb still has a chance
[02:13:44] <+DSP_Lord> but!
[02:13:56] <+DSP_Lord> i got 9th on My Curse using it somehow >.>
[02:14:15] <+DSP_Lord> not making playoffs?
[02:14:26] <@Andy_J> extremely unlikely for gh
[02:14:29] <@Andy_J> most likely for rb
[02:14:32] <+DSP_Lord> good
[02:14:34] <+DSP_Lord> gogogo
[02:14:59] < i_c-Y> diaf?
[02:15:03] < i_c-Y> die in a fire?
[02:15:11] < DarkAuron> yeah
[02:16:16] <+DSP_Lord> indeed
[02:16:38] < Randomist> This Tylenol is not working! [Throws the bottle across the room.]
[02:16:59] < i_c-Y> Randomist: i think you mean Ritalin.
[02:17:05] <+DSP_Lord> ritalin sucks
[02:17:09] <@Andy_J> You mean aderal
[02:17:16] <+DSP_Lord> that sucks too
[02:17:21] <+DSP_Lord> celexa?
[02:17:23] <+DSP_Lord> also sucks
[02:17:34] <+DSP_Lord> i should know!
[02:17:35] < Randomist> I wouldn't take my chances with any of those behavior manipulation drugs.
[02:17:45] < Randomist> I'm already crazy.  No telling what that stuff'd do to me.
[02:17:47] <+DSP_Lord> s/behavior/appetite supression
[02:18:06] <@Andy_J> hot damn
[02:18:09] <+DSP_Lord> ?
[02:18:16] <@Andy_J> I made a simple program for wm5
[02:18:18] <@Andy_J> and it runs in the debugger
[02:18:23] <@Andy_J> I can has skillz.
[02:18:38] < Randomist> WM5?
[02:18:47] <@Andy_J> widners mobile feyev
[02:18:47] <+DSP_Lord> window mobile 5
[02:18:53] < i_c-Y> Andy_J: was it hello world?
[02:18:56] <+DSP_Lord> XD
[02:19:07] <@Andy_J> i_c-Y: kind of
[02:19:14] <@Andy_J> "This is a test label." [Clicky]
[02:19:23] < i_c-Y> if it wasnt, then no skillz 4 u!
[02:19:24] <@Andy_J> Clicking [Clicky] pops a messagebox up
[02:19:48] <+DSP_Lord> heh
[02:19:49] <@Andy_J> Now to try it on real hardware.
[02:19:51] <+DSP_Lord> gogo
[02:19:55] < DarkAuron> crash
[02:19:58] <@Andy_J> If I can find my link cable.
[02:20:03] <+DSP_Lord> moar liek inb4 crash
[02:20:03] <@Andy_J> ... USB cable
[02:20:10] <+DSP_Lord> i c wut u did thar
[02:20:20] < DarkAuron> mudkips.
[02:20:28] <+DSP_Lord> i herd u liek them
[02:20:34] < DarkAuron> mebbe
[02:20:40] <+DSP_Lord> lol
[02:20:51] < i_c-Y> ok guys, Randomist hasnt said anything for more than 10 seconds, we can bring the conversation above the 5 year old level.
[02:20:56] <@Andy_J> it probably will force me to reboot after installing activesync
[02:21:02] <+DSP_Lord> Andy_J: prolly
[02:21:07] <+DSP_Lord> i_c-Y: NO U
[02:21:09] <@Andy_J> or not
[02:21:12] <@Andy_J> it seems to be working
[02:22:11] <+DSP_Lord> suhweet
[02:23:24] < Randomist> I wish I could find a visualization for WMP or WinAmp like this:  http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/dubdub
[02:24:28] <+DSP_Lord> ...
[02:24:38] <+DSP_Lord> is that supposed to make my browser have a seizure?
[02:25:04] < i_c-Y> what browser is it?
[02:25:08] <+DSP_Lord> FF
[02:25:14] < i_c-Y> oh, firefox sucks.
[02:25:16] < i_c-Y> so its okay
[02:25:20] <+DSP_Lord> you sush
[02:26:24] < Randomist> I wanted to make some kind of a Pong game or something that uses your browser window as the ball...
[02:26:47] < Randomist> It's probably been done a million times over.
[02:26:50] < i_c-Y> Randomist: shouldnt be absurdly hard to code for foobar if you know how to use window handles.
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[02:28:16] < i_c-Y> the difficult part would be how do you make it respond to music which you can probably derive from another output plugin if you really wanted.
[02:29:11] < Randomist> Hm.  I've never tried Foobar before.  Is it better than Winamp?
[02:29:34] < i_c-Y> Randomist: do i ever use somethign that isnt superior? no.
[02:29:41] < i_c-Y> dont ask stupid questions next time :)
[02:30:18] < Randomist> 'Can't help doing that.  It's my nature. :P
[02:30:31] <@Andy_J> interesting
[02:30:37] <@Andy_J> I need to update the .net cf on my phone
[02:30:51] <+Merthsoft> anyone watching scc?
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[02:31:54] < i_c-Y> the only appeal in that show is the ladies. and its not worth the effort for me to plug in my tv tuner.
[02:32:11] <+Merthsoft> you are such a bitter bitter man
[02:32:37] < Randomist> I'd say wise.
[02:32:54] < i_c-Y> and you're both right (for once) !
[02:33:11] <+Merthsoft> a wise man does not admit he is wise
[02:33:36] <@Andy_J> oh, it isn't installing cf on my phione because it isn't where it wants it on my pc ...
[02:35:07] < Randomist> Yay, MiniLyrics works with Foobar.
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[02:43:41] < BrandonW> "Edit2: I found that adding in support to check the first five bytes of the serial (best I can do so far) and the calc's OS version number totals to about 40 bytes. Yays."
[02:43:47] < Randomist> i_c-Y:  Wow.  You're right.  Foobar kicks ass.
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[02:44:29] < Netham45> heya tifreak
[02:44:31] < tifreak95> lets see how long this one lasts... <.<
[02:44:35] < Netham45> got it sorted out?
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[02:45:00] < tifreak> I guess we will see..
[02:45:12] < blitter> BrandonW: does the 83+se handle the link port differently than the other 83's?
[02:45:15] < i_c-Y> sup freak
[02:45:31] < BrandonW> The 83+SE has a link assist (so does the 83+, but no one uses it).
[02:45:34] < Nikky> Netham45 sucks
[02:45:41] < tifreak> not much, i_c-Y, just seems I am banned from my normal method of getting here...
[02:46:09] < i_c-Y> ah. the klines?
[02:46:15] < tifreak> yes
[02:46:19] < tifreak> not sure wtf is up with that..
[02:46:23] < i_c-Y> happens to me sometimes.
[02:46:28] < i_c-Y> its all on a bunch of lists
[02:46:31] < Nikky> I'm never klined
[02:46:34] < i_c-Y> just get yourself removed from said lists
[02:46:36] < Nikky> because I'm too cool
[02:46:37] < blitter> because i get an ERR:LINK as soon as i tell the real 86 to dump to the link port. over VTI it works fine, but then in VTI i'm using an 83+be
[02:46:56] < tifreak> how? I went to the link it provided, and it said there were no results for my ip
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[02:47:53] < tifreak> anyways, now that I am on here..
[02:48:16] < i_c-Y> it might just be over a range in which case youll have to wait it out :-/
[02:48:22] < i_c-Y> or try a different server.
[02:48:23] < BrandonW> blitter, did you get a real cable?
[02:48:27] < BrandonW> I'm confused as to what the problem is.
[02:48:31] < blitter> yep
[02:48:36] < BrandonW> There are no hardware differences that would affect it like that.
[02:48:45] < Randomist> I'm surprised I've never been klined... I've ben glined once...
[02:49:29] < BrandonW> Randomist, it's relatively easy to patch the OS to automatically restore RAM from a backup on reset.
[02:49:44] < BrandonW> But only from a backup you explicitly set.
[02:49:46] < blitter> the 86 and 83+se are connected via link cable as we speak.... i seem to recall ZTris had to be written differently to account for how the 83+se does its link stuff
[02:50:07] < BrandonW> It's more complicated, but you could patch it to just not clear the RAM on reset.
[02:50:13] < i_c-Y> BrandonW: i dont think you intended Randomist 
[02:50:25] < BrandonW> He mentioned it earlier today.
[02:50:34] < i_c-Y> ah.
[02:50:42] < BrandonW> And highlighted me by doing it.
[02:50:50] < BrandonW> blitter, I'm pretty sure that's wrong.
[02:51:00] < BrandonW> No, wait.
[02:51:06] < BrandonW> It may have been modified to use TI's protocol, yes.
[02:51:13] < BrandonW> That's what the link assist does.
[02:51:20] < BrandonW> But if you're using OS routines to send/receive bytes, you should see no issues.
[02:51:43] < BrandonW> ZTris and ZTetris do funky stuff with the lines directly.
[02:51:46] < BrandonW> You can do that on an 83+SE, too.
[02:51:51] < BrandonW> But you have to disable the link assist.
[02:52:06] < BrandonW> Which, I don't know, maybe we didn't know you could do that at the time.
[02:54:16] < blitter> i'm not using OS routines on the 86 at all
[02:54:33] < BrandonW> Perhaps you should be.
[02:54:41] < BrandonW> Have you tried seeing if the send/receive ones work?
[02:54:45] < BrandonW> Or does it just crash and burn?
[02:55:02] < blitter> it just crashes and burns if i try calling anything
[02:55:08] < BrandonW> I can't stop the OS from using the link assist, and I really don't want to deal with futzing with the lines directly.
[02:55:20] < blitter> hmm
[02:55:24] < BrandonW> blitter, did you swap in page 7 or whatever it is first?
[02:55:32] < BrandonW> Because I'm sure the OS wouldn't do that before jumping to your code.
[02:55:37] < blitter> oh, probably not
[02:55:38] < BrandonW> And on the 83, the right page has to be swapped in.
[02:55:42] < BrandonW> The one with the ROM call jump table.
[02:55:45] < blitter> rom page d, yeah
[02:55:59] < Randomist> What's some of the best freeware games that my 1.7GHz VIA and Radeon X1300 could handle?
[02:56:00] < BrandonW> 86*
[02:56:11] <@Andy_J> armagetronad
[02:56:39] < Randomist> Got it.
[02:58:01] < i_c-Y> Randomist: maybe consider some non free but old games which you can get off someone for free
[02:58:09] < i_c-Y> ie original UT, Deus Ex, etc.
[02:58:17] <+Merthsoft> deus ex ftw
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[02:58:32] < BrandonW> blitter, you might try some magic about when you plug in the cable and start the transfer on each calculator.
[02:58:43] < BrandonW> It might sense you're plugging/unplugging or whatever and get confused.
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[03:01:14] < blitter> maybe... if i plug in the link on the 83 after running linkdump i get the same error,... i'll mess with it a bit
[03:01:59] < BrandonW> Is this the first time you ever tried using a real calculator with this?
[03:02:03] < BrandonW> And you were emulating both before?
[03:02:09] < blitter> yes
[03:02:16] < blitter> under emulation, it works perfectly
[03:03:49] < blitter> suppose i could find someone with an 83+be :)
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[03:05:49] < i_c-Y> i have a be :o
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[03:06:36] < BrandonW> I'm sure that that's not it.
[03:06:48] < i_c-Y> an 83+ be? i has one.
[03:07:48] <@Andy_J> yay! my test wm5 program works on my phone
[03:07:57] < Barrett> what does it do/
[03:07:58] < Barrett> ?
[03:08:03] < Barrett> and how did you make it?
[03:08:32] < tifreak> pics or it didn't happen
[03:08:34] < tifreak> :P
[03:09:54] <@Andy_J> Barrett: it has a button that pops up a message box
[03:10:03] <@Andy_J> and I made it with vs.net 2k8 (c#)
[03:10:12] < Barrett> that actually sounds pretty complicated (not being sarcastic)
[03:10:19] < Randomist> I've got a problem:
[03:10:22] < Barrett> how long did it take you to figure that out?
[03:10:22] <@Andy_J> not really
[03:10:23] < BrandonW> We know.
[03:10:38] < Randomist> I got a backup CD that I made on Linux...
[03:10:38] <@Andy_J> it took longer to fight to get the new .net compact framework runtime on my phone
[03:10:39] <+Merthsoft> Andy_J: can you use c++ for wm shit?
[03:10:44] <@Andy_J> Merthsoft: probably
[03:10:47] <+Merthsoft> ok
[03:11:06] < Randomist> ...but the file names on Windows are all screwed up.
[03:11:24] < Randomist> (They're all capitals and have no more than 8 chars.)
[03:11:58] < i_c-Y> 8.3 file names?
[03:12:05] < Randomist> Yeah.
[03:12:16] < i_c-Y> so what do you want us to do about it
[03:12:19] < Randomist> The backup of my e-mail is on this CD and I need those, so is there any way to fix this?
[03:12:22] <@Andy_J> someone didn't make a joliet disc
[03:12:26] < i_c-Y> nope.
[03:12:37] <@Andy_J> yeah, read it on a box that has mount union support maybe
[03:12:45] <@Andy_J> or it might have burned with just iso file system
[03:12:52] <@Andy_J> in which case WYSIWYG
[03:13:25] <@Andy_J> also your doin eet rong
[03:13:31] < Randomist> I used Brasero, and I dunno what it's defaults are.
[03:15:47] < Randomist> That must be why when I burned my MP3-CDs, my CD player displayed 8.3 names for the files and the tags were blanked out.
[03:17:34] < Randomist> Oh, wait, never mind.  I got lucky, and had gzipped the e-mail folder. :P
[03:21:46] < Spengo> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ArHlW1b0vNM lol hilarious
[03:23:02] < i_c-Y> Randomist: you dont check that stuff after you burn?
[03:25:00] < Randomist> i_c-Y:  Well, I didn't have Windows, and it displayed the right file names on Linux.
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[03:28:20] < aadster> hello
[03:28:43]  * Randomist waves.
[03:28:54] < aadster> I'm new to this channel...
[03:28:55] < aadster> haha
[03:29:02] < aadster> but I hope to peek in every now and again.
[03:29:29] < Spengo> you peek in every now and again?
[03:29:34] < Barrett> Spengo: that video has 1 star
[03:29:44] < Spengo> what, trying to catch us nekkid or something?
[03:29:56] < Spengo> Barrett, yeah, 'cause the entire internet voted it 1 star haha
[03:29:58] < aadster> Oh, yeah...darn...you got me there. :P
[03:30:10]  * Spengo puts on his robe and wizard hat
[03:30:25]  * Randomist turns away.
[03:30:48] < chronomex> lots of new people recently
[03:30:54] < Randomist> Ditto.
[03:31:15]  * Randomist wonders where they're all coming from.
[03:32:26] < Randomist> Wait, that is dumb question; they're all coming from the Internet.
[03:33:19] < chronomex> ^^^
[03:34:15] < Barrett> which one?
[03:34:18] < Barrett> which internet?
[03:34:58] < aadster> I usually hang out at Chatspike.net
[03:35:10] < Randomist> Barrett:  _The_ Internet. :P
[03:35:18] < Randomist> You know the one. :)
[03:35:24] < Barrett> um... no...
[03:35:29] < i_c-Y> Randomist: you better hope they keep comming
[03:35:30] < Barrett> there are like 13 different ones
[03:35:32] < aadster> I just was doing my daily browsing of ticalc.org and found out you guys have an IRC.
[03:35:34] < aadster> never knew that
[03:35:39] < i_c-Y> cause every time one comes, it makes you look smarter
[03:35:39] < aadster> At first I went to #calcs
[03:35:42] < i_c-Y> and i pick on you less.
[03:35:42] < aadster> and no-one was there
[03:35:55] < Randomist> i_c-Y: In that case, I'm about to go advertising. :P
[03:36:05] < Randomist> I wanna know what it is like to be higher in the social chain for once. :P
[03:36:08] <+DSP_Lord> inb4 Randomist epic fail
[03:36:40] < aadster> blankie
[03:36:45] < aadster> do I know you...?
[03:36:49] < aadster> from Chatspike?
[03:37:32] < aadster> I usually use XChat, but I'm using Opera's built in irc-client right now
[03:37:39] < aadster> its fairly acceptable, acutally.
[03:37:42] < i_c-Y> youre a loser.
[03:37:59] < aadster> Why's that?
[03:38:01] < i_c-Y> even Randomist uses a proper irc client, always.
[03:38:17] < chronomex> anyone here live in Queensland Australia?
[03:38:17]  * aadster shrugs
[03:38:42] < aadster> so...who's the head hanco here
[03:38:53]  * chronomex points at aardy and M_V
[03:39:07] < chronomex> more aardy :)
[03:39:41] < Randomist> All that info's at http://tcpa.calcg.org
[03:40:03] < aadster> Ok, thanks.
[03:40:10] < aadster> Hey
[03:40:18] < aadster> Is MirageOS FULLY compatible with Ion games
[03:40:30] < Randomist> Should be.
[03:41:12] < aadster> Ok  -  I was looking at some Ion games in the archive...wasn't sure.
[03:41:20] < aadster> I'm sorta a newbie to this stuff
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[03:43:16] < aadster> Do any of you know...
[03:43:20] < aadster> Is Joltima good?
[03:43:34] < aadster> Joltima v1.9
[03:43:34] < aadster> A port of the classic TI-83 RPG Joltima.
[03:43:41] < Randomist> [Shrugs.]  I got bored with it.
[03:43:45] < aadster> What's it like?
[03:44:18] < aadster> Hmm..
[03:44:20] < aadster> What's Gemini
[03:44:31] <+DSP_Lord> huge
[03:44:33] <+DSP_Lord> and a waste of time
[03:44:52] < blitter> Joltima is good, took me a couple weeks to beat back in middle school
[03:44:54] < Randomist> Gemini > Wolfenstein > zDoom.
[03:44:56] <+DSP_Lord> if you want to try that, better not have anything else on there, or you won't have enough free space to run it
[03:46:51] <+Merthsoft> gemini is sweet
[03:47:20] < i_c-Y> aadster: theres these little things called descriptions - read em
[03:47:43] < BrandonW> What's the matter with you people? I'M the head honcho.
[03:47:57] < chronomex> BrandonW++
[03:48:47] < Nikky> BrandonW is the head honcho.
[03:48:55] < Randomist> Ditto.
[03:49:06] < Randomist> I think.
[03:49:07] < aadster> i_c-Y  -  Joltima v1.9
[03:49:07] < aadster> A port of the classic TI-83 RPG Joltima.                - Is that a good description?
[03:49:13] < aadster> Sure tells me a lot...
[03:49:55] < i_c-Y> the logical thing would be to read the description of Joltima then...
[03:49:57] <+DSP_Lord> BrandonW owns, obv.
[03:50:03] < aadster> Hey Brandon - do you have a website?
[03:50:08] < BrandonW> Why yes, I do.
[03:50:11] < aadster> I think I've been there...not sure
[03:50:14] < aadster> is it like
[03:50:16] < aadster> brandonw.com
[03:50:24] < BrandonW> Almost.
[03:50:28] < chronomex> isn't it .net?
[03:50:30] < i_c-Y> .edu
[03:50:33] < i_c-Y> cause he schools you
[03:50:50] < i_c-Y> J/K LOL
[03:50:51] < aadster> is the assembly section on www.brandonw.org/asm
[03:50:59] < aadster> haha
[03:51:05] < i_c-Y> its .net
[03:51:39] < aadster> Ok
[03:51:42] < aadster> it was a joke
[03:52:34] < aadster> BrandonW
[03:52:42] < aadster> what's the kill-calculator app
[03:52:48] < BrandonW> What is with you?
[03:52:49] < BrandonW> It...
[03:52:50] < chronomex> BrandonW would know
[03:52:51] < BrandonW> Kills calculators.
[03:52:58] < BrandonW> Like the name implies.
[03:53:05] < aadster> Well, the description is sort of...vauge.
[03:53:09] < Randomist> Wow.  It's not commercial.  It's not a network.  It's an organization. :P
[03:53:10] < i_c-Y> BrandonW: too bad you dont have a kill-aadster app. oh wait....
[03:53:14] < aadster> As in "kill-kill" or just "kill"
[03:53:22] < chronomex> kill-kill-kill
[03:53:25] < aadster> ooooh
[03:53:27] < aadster> i see
[03:53:32] < BrandonW> Recoverable.
[03:53:37] < aadster> ok
[03:53:56] < aadster> "Something cool and scary, sort of"
[03:54:03] < aadster> That's the kind of thing...that makes me try it
[03:54:15] < BrandonW> You are the reason these things exist.
[03:54:22] < BrandonW> So you'll run them and doom yourself.
[03:54:25] < BrandonW> Despite ample warning.
[03:54:44] < i_c-Y> do it
[03:54:47] < i_c-Y> Randomist: :)
[03:54:52] < chronomex> hey anyone remember the PAL output hack?  can I have a link real quick?
[03:55:00] < i_c-Y> benryves' thing?
[03:55:05] < chronomex> yeah
[03:55:13] < aadster> hey BrandonW
[03:55:14] < i_c-Y> its on benryves.com
[03:55:17] < i_c-Y> and maxcoders
[03:55:18] < Randomist> What'd I miss?
[03:55:18] < aadster> did you make that tg2.zip
[03:55:19] < chronomex> ok thanks
[03:55:21] < i_c-Y> http://benryves.com/index.php?module=projects&product=pal
[03:55:28] < Randomist> I heard my name and no insult. :P
[03:55:35] < BrandonW> aadster, yes.
[03:55:38] < BrandonW> I made it all.
[03:55:45] < aadster> Nice.
[03:56:07] < aadster> When it says in the readme about the Asm stuff - does it block harmful Asm progs. like C7
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[03:56:36] <@efneTI86> [Tar1] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[03:56:59] < BrandonW> Did you read it?
[03:57:06] < aadster> Yes but I'm a little confused
[03:57:07] < aadster> sorry
[03:57:18] < BrandonW> If I remember right, it blocks Testguard2 stuff.
[03:57:24] < BrandonW> Which has nothing to do with preventing programs running.
[03:57:37] < BrandonW> In fact, it makes sure you're allowed to run it all.
[03:57:48] < aadster> "patches prgmTESTASM when run to not do nasty things like delete all your variables or Flash applications"
[03:57:57] < aadster> What did you mean by that
[03:59:36] < BrandonW> Testguard2 will send and remotely execute a program that deletes all your variables. That's how it works.
[03:59:41] < BrandonW> That's how it used to work, anyway.
[03:59:49] < aadster> Ok
[03:59:58] < aadster> hey
[04:00:03] < aadster> when i copy a game to my calc
[04:00:07] < aadster> that's in a group file
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[04:00:11] < aadster> it doesnt show up on my calc
[04:00:16] < aadster> in Mirage
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[04:00:37] <+Tar1> ungroup it
[04:00:50] < aadster> Sorry - how do i do that
[04:00:51] <+Tar1> 2nd,[+],[8]
[04:00:57] <+Tar1> select the group file
[04:01:16] < aadster> wow
[04:01:17] < aadster> thanks
[04:01:52] <+Tar1> :)
[04:02:05] < aadster> so grouping can store programs
[04:02:06] < aadster> and such
[04:02:10] < aadster> interesting
[04:02:12] <+Tar1> yup
[04:02:24] < BrandonW> Such a new and empty mind.
[04:02:26] < BrandonW> Fresh blood.
[04:02:49] < aadster> :s
[04:03:03] < i_c-Y> lets destroy it, BrandonW 
[04:03:09]  * Tar1 eats page 1E
[04:03:26] <+Tar1> (or 4E or 7E, if you like)
[04:03:30] < BrandonW> Hey addster, if I give you a few bytes, will you put them in a program and run it?
[04:03:37] < Randomist> Blood?  Where?
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[04:03:48] <@efneTI86> [Ox40] File Deletion is Murder!
[04:04:03] < aadster> sure i gues
[04:04:28] < aadster> like you want me to test someting
[04:04:37] < Nikky> Hi Ox40 
[04:04:41] < Ox40> hey
[04:04:46] < Ox40> whats up here?
[04:04:55] <+Tar1> fresh blood
[04:05:02] < aadster> I'm being called a noob. Indirectly
[04:05:09] < Nikky> noob
[04:05:09] < Ox40> hehe
[04:05:13] < aadster> Woah!
[04:05:15] < Ox40> now its directly?
[04:05:15] < aadster> That was direct!
[04:05:17] < aadster> Thanks.
[04:05:20] < aadster> haha
[04:05:33] <+Tar1> just be happy you're not a n00b
[04:05:36] < Ox40> so, is t3h botmaster in?
[04:05:41] < BrandonW> I was going to give you code to crash your calculator, erase the OS and the certificate, but I don't have the heart.
[04:05:55] < Randomist> lol you got pwned twice
[04:06:00] < Nikky> Ox40: Looking for a new channel?
[04:06:03] < Randomist> Oh, sorry, wrong channel.
[04:06:09] < Ox40> Ooh, give him the blue screen program.
[04:06:13] < aadster> BrandonW
[04:06:13] < aadster> tell me
[04:06:15] < Ox40> Nikky: huh?
[04:06:23] < BrandonW> You type incorrectly to other people, Randomist! I KNEW IT!
[04:06:26] < Nikky> is that why you're looking for aadry?
[04:06:32]  * Randomist ducks.
[04:06:46] < Randomist> It's not what you think it is! :P
[04:06:47] < BrandonW> aadster, it's on the internet somewhere, find it.
[04:06:56] < aadster> haha
[04:06:58] < aadster> nah
[04:07:03] < Ox40> Nikky: new channel?
[04:07:03] < aadster> trying to get my new games to work
[04:07:07] < BrandonW> Usually people don't care, but you sound young and crazy enough to spread it to everyone at school and destroy them.
[04:07:10] < aadster> epic fail
[04:07:42] < Nikky> Ox40: Yes, usually when people like you ask for a botmaster they want the botnet to be added to some channel
[04:07:52] < Ox40> not in this case
[04:08:00] < Ox40> I wanted to talk to someone about eggdrops
[04:08:15] < Nikky> What about them?
[04:08:15] < aadster> sprodgge
[04:08:40] < chronomex> !q
[04:08:42] < BrandonW> That's eggdorps backwards.
[04:08:42] <@efneTI86> 485: "[x_x]: ahh, that, I normally put my current feeling (most prominate one) in my nick, 9 char limit, means that "CDI|Wants_to_Die" won't fit, so I use "[x_x]" | Hunterkll: that compresses nicely :)"  [Added: froody at 2006/03/20 15:22]
[04:08:43] < aadster> !q
[04:09:02] < chronomex> that's a classic one
[04:09:03] < aadster> Nice eye there Brandon.
[04:09:07] < Ox40> this just happened: http://rafb.net/p/wy2orj18.html
[04:09:15] < Ox40> for about a half hour
[04:09:31] < Nikky> Do you have bitch on?
[04:09:36] < Ox40> _i_ dont
[04:09:39] < BrandonW> I'm sure you're not worth aadry's time.
[04:09:44] < Ox40> _they_ do
[04:09:47] < BrandonW> Which I spell incorrectly to not highlight.
[04:09:48] < Nikky> that's it then
[04:09:52] < Nikky> *shrugs*
[04:09:58] < Ox40> i was just wondering if he used a config script
[04:10:02] < Ox40> or did it by hand...
[04:10:29] < Nikky> like a set of default channel settings?
[04:10:32] < Ox40> BrandonW: that hurts. :(
[04:10:48] < BrandonW> It's okay, I'm not worth his time either.
[04:10:49] < BrandonW> He said so.
[04:11:27] < Ox40> Nikky: kinda. I basically wanted to "tar -xzfv somefile.tar.gz" then "./setup-eggdrop" and type a nick, a couple of servers, a port and a channel
[04:11:35] < Ox40> and have it install everything. Cuz im lazy
[04:11:49] < Nikky> it's really not that hard to make it yourself
[04:11:56] < Ox40> i know... ive done it before
[04:12:07] < Nikky> and your distro probably has a precompiled eggdrop in its repository :)
[04:12:14] < Ox40> but i wanted it to be easy
[04:12:16] < Ox40> FreeBSD?
[04:12:24] < Nikky> *shrugs*
[04:12:24] < Ox40> on 7 different boxes
[04:12:27] < Nikky> you can try
[04:12:32] < Ox40> *shrug* ya..
[04:12:39] < Ox40> well, w/e ill figure it out
[04:12:45] < Ox40> anyone here know shell scripting?
[04:12:53] < Nikky> not that I'm willing to share with you
[04:13:01] < Ox40> :(
[04:13:03] < Ox40> ok then
[04:13:05] < Ox40> cyall
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[04:13:22] < Nikky> thank goodness he's found somewhere else to hang out
[04:13:38] < Nikky> I checked out those bots
[04:13:40] < Nikky> they're on this network
[04:13:44] < Nikky> and all run from the same host
[04:13:46] < Nikky> dumbass...
[04:14:32] < aadster> ...ssabmub
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[04:15:49] < Nikky> Hi BHSPitCSP 
[04:16:13] < aadster> well
[04:16:18] < aadster> ill tty later 
[04:16:22] < Nikky> bye!
[04:16:23] < aadster> if i have any questions
[04:16:30] < aadster> thanks for helping me out
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[04:24:55] < blitter> hmm, TI sure made it hard to find the link routines on the 86... only thing on the jump table that i can find is _linkExec, which apparently needs _ASAP_IND
[04:26:37] < blitter> the routine itself in the ROM is at $4255 on some rom page :\
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[04:31:28] < BrandonW> _linkExec may be right.
[04:31:35] < BrandonW> They like to use _ASAP_IND on the 83 and 86.
[04:32:26] < blitter> ok so now to find docs on _ASAP_IND... :\
[04:32:37] < BrandonW> Here's a total guess...
[04:32:49] < BrandonW> Store _ASAP_SEND to (_ASAP_IND) and call _linkExec to send.
[04:32:55] < BrandonW> And _ASAP_RECEIVE for receiving.
[04:33:06] < BrandonW> _ASAP_SEND is 0Ah and _ASAP_RECEIVE is 15h.
[04:35:29] < BrandonW> Set 2,(iy+12h) beforehand, too.
[04:35:37] < BrandonW> And definitely reset it before quitting or waiting for a keypress.
[04:35:46] < BrandonW> Odd that it's so clunky on the 86.
[04:36:12] < BrandonW> Might want to install an error handler, too, but probably not.
[04:37:01] < blitter> yeah i don't know of any 86 apps that use the TI-OS link routines
[04:37:23] < BrandonW> I ripped that info from Vertigo.
[04:37:27] < BrandonW> A game by Matthew Shepcar.
[04:37:37]  * blitter looks for source
[04:37:46] < BrandonW> But I just told you all you need to know!
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[04:38:07] < BrandonW> ld a,_ASAP_SEND \ ld (_ASAP_IND),a \ set 2,(iy+12h) \ call _linkExec
[04:38:14] < BrandonW> And ld a,_ASAP_RECEIVE \ ld (_ASAP_IND),a \ set 2,(iy+12h) \ call _linkExec
[04:38:15] < BrandonW> And the equates.
[04:39:53] < BrandonW> And res 2,(iy+12h) before you quit.
[04:42:12] < blitter> i'll have to page in rom page $d first though, hmm
[04:42:28] < blitter> that will have to be paged to $4000-7fff
[04:43:16] < blitter> now what i am not sure of, is whether the jump table will page the required rom page to $4000-7fff, or to $8000-bfff
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[04:43:28] < blitter> if it's the latter, then i'm kind of screwed
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[04:48:55] <@efneTI86> [Tar1] Remember, remember the 5th of November
[04:49:08] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Tar1] by etaonrish
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[04:49:26] < BrandonW> blitter, it will put it in 4000h-7FFFh, I'm pretty sure.
[04:49:45] < BrandonW> The only manual part is that page 0Dh is swapped in there.
[04:50:12] < BrandonW> I'm kind of assuming you insert or copy it to $D748.
[04:50:24] < BrandonW> But if not, it shouldn't really matter anyway.
[04:50:28] < BrandonW> It will restore whatever it changes.
[04:50:34] < BrandonW> As far as I know.
[04:50:59] < BrandonW> It doesn't need to access any other pages.
[04:51:06] < BrandonW> It's just getting from and storing to A.
[04:51:17] < BrandonW> Try it, I'm sure it's fine.
[04:51:33] < BrandonW> http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?action=track&tracknumbers=914595081616&language=english&cntry_code=us I'm quite impressed, I ordered this Sunday night.
[04:51:33] < blitter> so i page in $d at $4000, call _linkExec on page $d, where it pages the needed rom page to... $4000? how does the jump table then jump to whereever it needs to go? at that point it's paged out
[04:52:21] < BrandonW> I have never once looked at what a ROM call does on the 86, but I'm sure it directly calls some other routine which might page in others as needed.
[04:52:39] < BrandonW> Like page 0 calls on the 83+...calls that reside on page 0 which swap in the needed page, call whatever on that page, and resotre the old one.
[04:52:49] < BrandonW> Why are you concerned about this?
[04:52:54] < BrandonW> It's no different than how typical 86 programs are.
[04:53:13] < blitter> because it's a huge hassle to make a change and try it on the real hardware :P
[04:53:26] < BrandonW> Try it on the emulator, then.
[04:53:34] < BrandonW> I'm sure they didn't restructure the OS between your real calculator and 1.2.
[04:54:12] < blitter> how can you be sure.... asmcomp is missing completely, that could mess up the jump table
[04:54:59] < BrandonW> Doesn't matter, Asm( is there, and they intended for the MATH menu to be extended.
[04:55:09] < BrandonW> TI wrote assembly programs for it, too.
[04:55:15] < BrandonW> I'm still confident it's usable.
[04:55:21] < BrandonW> As soon as you dump the frigging thing and we look at it!
[04:55:39] < blitter> well yeah once it's dumped we'll know everything :)
[04:55:51] < BrandonW> There are really only so many ways to write an OS like this.
[04:56:02] < BrandonW> There's a jump table.
[04:56:09] < BrandonW> Try it and see.
[04:56:23] < BrandonW> I will PayPal you $1 if I'm wrong.
[04:59:36] < blitter> i'm just basing my reasoning on the fact that Rom86.h puts _asmComp at $55a3 in the jump table, and _linkExec is at $571C, so if _asmComp is missing from the jump table, _linkExec will be invalid
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[05:03:38] < BrandonW> blitter, just because there's no token does NOT mean the ROM call's not there.
[05:04:58] < BrandonW> _asmComp is extremely important when squishing to $D748.
[05:05:23] < BrandonW> AsmComp is also a BCALL on the 83+...it could be a direct response to encountering that token, or it could be used to actually squish a program to userMem.
[05:07:56] < BrandonW> Which the OS uses when running unsquished programs.
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[05:48:51] <+bsparks> Netham45, @#Lobby, no.
[05:49:10] < Netham45> what?
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[06:18:30] <@efneTI86> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[06:57:44] < Nikky> ew, it's Hunterkll 
[06:58:03] < Hunterkll> ew, it's Nikky
[06:58:04] < Hunterkll> :x
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[06:59:42] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
[06:59:51] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Sir_Lewk] by efneTI81
[07:00:24] <+Sir_Lewk> today's and yesterday's "Dinosaur Comics" are really good
[07:00:26] < Spengo> mwehehe
[07:00:39] < Spengo> I flyered up all the bathrooms in my dorm for operation party hard
[07:00:47] < Nikky> O.o
[07:01:03] <+Sir_Lewk> does your dorm not always party hard?
[07:01:11] < Nikky> no, he goes to portland
[07:01:13] < Spengo> http://wiki.pdxanon.org/Main_Page
[07:01:14] < Nikky> which is in oregon
[07:01:20] < Spengo> no no
[07:01:23] < Nikky> oregon sucks harder than drexel
[07:01:28] < Nikky> actually
[07:01:34] < Nikky> Portland is probably better
[07:01:37] < Spengo> Nikky, you should go to the seattle one
[07:01:39] < Nikky> So Spengo wins!
[07:01:42] < Spengo> \o/
[07:01:42] < Nikky> What is it?
[07:01:44] < Nikky> And when?
[07:01:49] <+Sir_Lewk> Philly is boring as hell during the night
[07:01:49] < Spengo> ides of march
[07:01:53] < Spengo> 11:00 am
[07:01:58] < Spengo> well, the portland one is 11:00
[07:02:22] < Nikky> Chris Matthews is from Philly
[07:02:24] < Nikky> So don't knock it
[07:02:44] <+Sir_Lewk> Oh I'm not, Philly is pretty cool
[07:02:52] <+Sir_Lewk> but after 2am it's *dead*
[07:03:06] <+Sir_Lewk> even the subway stops around then
[07:03:58] < Nikky> lol fail
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[07:05:13] < Spengo> Nikky, looks like the previous seattle one had a decent turnout
[07:05:21] < Spengo> you should put flyers around and go to this oen
[07:05:23] < Spengo> one*
[07:06:20] < Nikky> maybe
[07:06:58] <+Sir_Lewk> the only reason I support anonymous is because I think it's an interesting development toward transhumanist singularity
[07:10:27] < Nikky> ...
[07:10:38] < Nikky> half life tard
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[07:51:02] <+Sir_Lewk> singularity doesn't have anything to do with half life...
[07:51:51] <+Sir_Lewk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
[07:52:00] < chronomex> ^^^
[08:03:07] < Nikky> half life tard
[08:03:37]  * chronomex nods
[08:05:18] <+Sir_Lewk> whatever
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[08:46:42] <+Sir_Lewk> "the first immortal generation" that's what we are
[08:47:06] < chronomex> ... what?
[08:47:41]  * Sir_Lewk starts to contemplate trans-humanism late at night
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[10:19:26] <@efneTI86> [Leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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[11:25:19] <@E-J> http://www.nbc5i.com/news/8169246/detail.html
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[12:34:56] < HQAT> Hey... anyone online?
[12:35:14]  * Randomist waves.
[12:36:29] < HQAT> Hmm I was lookn for some help on a ti assembly problem :P Not sure if this is the right place tho :P
[12:37:34] < Randomist> Right place.  Dunno if any of the ASM gurus are awake yet, however.
[12:37:34] <@E-J> it is, most people here knows about assembly
[12:37:35] < BrandonW> It is when the right people are here.
[12:37:40] <@E-J> i know it's hard
[12:37:41] < BrandonW> Unfortunately, I must leave.
[12:37:56] < BrandonW> If you make it REALLY quick...
[12:38:11] < HQAT> Umm k I already made a post on revsoft... i'll paste the link :P
[12:38:20] < HQAT> I don't mind waiting for a response tho :P
[12:38:30] < HQAT> http://www.revsoft.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=793
[12:38:58] < HQAT> Its about retreiving the last command a user typed in a homescreen hook...
[12:39:19] < HQAT> Might be something stupid but it just doesnt seems to work...
[12:39:49] < BrandonW> The last entry is put into RAM, you'd have to check the exact address.
[12:39:53] < BrandonW> And entries before that go into prgm!.
[12:40:02] < BrandonW> prgm# is the one that gets parsed when you press enter.
[12:40:16] < BrandonW> Sorry I can't help more.
[12:40:19] < BrandonW> Later.
[12:40:28] < HQAT> Umm zo i have to do chkfindsym with prgm and then a # in op1?
[12:40:30] < HQAT> k thnx :P
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[12:41:45] < Randomist> ^- That guy probably could.
[12:44:33] <@benryves> 'lo chaps
[12:45:00] <@E-J> http://www.davinciinstitute.com/new/admin/content/FCKeditor/uploads/guitarman43.jpg
[12:45:36] <@benryves> Heh, a certain Radiohead song springs to mind. :)
[12:49:42] < Randomist> Aw.  I had spend almost an hour yesterday looking for a spectrogram program.  And eventually found a good one that wasn't free.  Then it turns out Foobar has one built in. x.x
[12:50:15] <@benryves> Real-time, Randomist?
[12:50:33]  * Randomist nods.
[12:55:42] < HQAT> Changing op1 from prgm! into prgm# seems to have fixed the problem... :D Thanks for clarifying...
[12:57:13] < HQAT> It's still weird tho, since wikiti states that the homescreen hook returns prgm# in op1 when an expression was entered to be evaluated... But the flash debugger shows prgm! in op1..
[12:59:10] <+Tari> fix wikiti
[13:04:20] < HQAT> Yeah I'll leave a note on that page... have to make (yet another) account for that tho...
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[13:48:20] <@E-J> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Smart_rabbit4.jpg
[13:48:37] < i_c-Y> is that... a gwiz?
[13:49:01] <@benryves> That's a Smart car, surely?
[13:49:29] < i_c-Y> youd have to be pretty stupid to drive it ;)
[13:50:11] <@E-J> i would buy a normal smart fortwo
[13:51:10] <@E-J> little expensive still for student
[13:51:24] <@benryves> Yay public transport. :)
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[13:54:32] <@E-J> yep, public transport is my option curently and bike
[13:54:52] <@E-J> but iff i ever need car, i would think something small
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[14:09:40] < mokomull> I drive a 2006 Honda Piss-ant :P
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[14:42:43] <@efneTI86> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[16:19:32] < Sir_Lewk> I HAVE ARRIVED
[16:19:40] < Sir_Lewk> BE VERY AFRAID
[16:20:20]  * benryves dives into the plasma pool.
[16:20:25] < Sir_Lewk> I AM MONOSPACED
[16:20:33] < Sir_Lewk> :(
[16:20:42] < Sir_Lewk> that was one character too long :(
[16:20:55] <@benryves> Monospaces? Oldschool.
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[16:30:40] <@benryves> What have you been up to, anyway, Sir_Lewk?
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[16:38:51] <@efneTI86> [Tar1] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[16:44:41] <@efneTI86> [Sphagnum] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[16:48:02] <+bsparks> hmm...
[16:48:02]  * bsparks needs a wall charger
[16:48:11] <+bsparks> for my mp3 player
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[16:52:37] <@benryves> Not for your wall?
[16:52:50] <+bsparks> ;P
[16:53:34] <@E-J> gcc -Wall
[16:55:44] <+bsparks> benryves, I had one years back =\
[17:13:21] <@benryves> bsparks: What happened to it?
[17:13:52] <+bsparks> benryves, idk :P
[17:14:12] <@benryves> Fair enough. :D
[17:14:46] <+bsparks> well I had an iPod Mini for a while, and then lost the cables after it broke, so idk :P
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[17:58:20] < i_c-Y> bsparks: what mp3 player?
[17:58:24] < i_c-Y> ipod?
[18:03:20] < Spengo> fockin' 'ell
[18:06:24] <+bsparks> i_c-Y, yes
[18:06:54] < i_c-Y> why not charge from your pc?
[18:06:55] < i_c-Y> or mac?
[18:08:34] <+bsparks> i_c-Y, I do, but it connects
[18:12:04] <@benryves> bsparks: Buy a cheap USB cable, cut out the data lines?
[18:12:33] <@Andy_J> and connecting is a problem?
[18:12:43] <@Andy_J> my phone does the same thing but it still charges
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[18:15:20] <+bsparks> Andy_J, well, yes, it is an issue
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[18:15:55] <+bsparks> not that it matters now, the iPod froze
[18:17:26] < i_c-Y> thats waht you get for using a mac product :)
[18:17:39]  * Andy_J slaps i_c-Y 
[18:17:44] < i_c-Y> :(
[18:17:46]  * patz2008 slaps patz2008 
[18:17:52] < i_c-Y> you know there are macs exempt from my comments
[18:17:55] < i_c-Y> ie the ones that dont suck.
[18:18:08] <+patz2008> How many is that?
[18:18:11] < i_c-Y> hm
[18:18:16] < i_c-Y> it used to be just powermacs
[18:18:24] < i_c-Y> now the new mac pro too.
[18:18:27] < i_c-Y> so at most 1
[18:24:29]  * Spengo is listening to: Trogdor - Winamp [0:49/0:56] 128kbps - 44Khz
[18:26:40]  * patz2008 is listening to: Your Mother Moaning - Bed [5:32/9:51] 30bpm - 44Khz
[18:32:29] < i_c-Y> np: Death - Open Casket
[18:35:03] < Spengo> http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/26/1438236
[18:35:04] < Spengo> lolwut
[18:35:10] < Spengo> why don't they just take out the battery lmao
[18:35:27] < Spengo> terrorists aren't the brightest bunch...
[18:45:33] < Spengo> pizza pizza
[18:48:57] <@Andy_J> actually let them do it
[18:49:14] <@Andy_J> then it'll be easier to find them when their cell phones transmit more often at higher output power tring to find a tower
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[18:54:36] <+bsparks> damn frozen iPo
[18:54:40] <+bsparks> *iPod
[18:56:09] < Spengo> no u
[18:56:27] <+bsparks> uPod?
[18:56:42] < i_c-Y> ipods are losers
[18:56:47] <+bsparks> eh
[18:57:56] < i_c-Y> are for*
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[20:46:26] <@efneTI86> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[21:31:29] <+patz2009> STOP!
[21:31:32] <+patz2009> HAMMER TIME!
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[21:55:17] <@efneTI86> [DSPLord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[21:55:32] <+patz2009> !lastspoke DSPLord
[21:55:33] <@efneTI86> DSPLord last uttered a word on #tcpa less than a minute ago.
[21:55:39] <+patz2009> =/
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[21:57:08] < aadster> Hey Brandon
[21:57:14] < aadster> I had a question, if you'r there...
[21:57:21] < Gr|m> You better not ask him about a memory address.
[21:57:30] < aadster> What's that
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[21:57:40] < Gr|m> What's a memory address...?
[21:57:44] < aadster> yea
[21:57:48] < aadster> like a mem. problem?
[21:57:57] < aadster> This is concerning one of his programs
[21:58:03] < Gr|m> A location in memory... Apparently there's some specific one that will make him rant about something.
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[21:58:23] <+patz2009> aadster: Which program?
[21:58:40] < aadster> "fake"
[21:58:58] <+patz2009> Ahh, Fake does some pretty weird stuff to the memory.
[22:00:31] < aadster> Well
[22:00:33] < aadster> I set my code
[22:00:37] < aadster> and "deleted" the memory
[22:00:42] < aadster> and typed my code in 
[22:00:45] < aadster> and the mem
[22:01:05] < aadster> came back
[22:01:12] < aadster> And it was working great
[22:01:16] < aadster> but I shut my calc off
[22:01:20] < aadster> and tried it again about an hour later
[22:01:29] < aadster> and it actually deleted all my stuff
[22:01:30] -!- aadster was kicked from #tcpa by SnowCrash [flood]
[22:01:46] <+patz2009> Yeah, when you type in your password it uninstalls itself completely
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[22:01:51] < aadster> and it actually deleted all my stuff
[22:02:13] < aadster> so am I supposed to run the App before I delete the memory every time for it to work?
[22:02:17] <+patz2009> Meaning that you have to reinstall it if you want to do "fake" ram clears
[22:02:21] <+patz2009> Yes.
[22:02:24] < aadster> Ok
[22:02:26] < aadster> thanks
[22:02:31] < aadster> well
[22:02:33] <+patz2009> No problem.
[22:02:37] < aadster> I got it all back
[22:02:42] <@Andy_J> 17:04:12 -!- aadster was kicked from #tcpa by etaonrish [flood]
[22:02:42] <@Andy_J> 17:04:28 <+patz2009> Yeah, when you type in your password it uninstalls itself completely
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[22:02:56] < aadster> thanks andy
[22:03:03] < aadster> Ok - thanks for the help man
[22:03:15] <+patz2009> oic, sorry about that. No problem.
[22:03:22] < aadster> its pretty cool  how it works
[22:04:15] < aadster> is there a way I can get my hands on TestGuard 2
[22:04:22] < aadster> I was wanting to see how it worked
[22:04:37] <+patz2009> Just send an email to TI, they'll send it to pretty much everyone
[22:04:43] < aadster> really? cool
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[22:04:52] < aadster> I sent an email weeks ago asking for ti os 2.30
[22:04:54] < aadster> and i never got it
[22:04:59] <+patz2009> Just make it sound like you're a teacher or something
[22:05:07] < aadster> Hey - in your opinion what's the  best S
[22:05:09] < aadster> OS**
[22:05:17] <+patz2009> The latest is usually best.
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[22:05:36] < aadster> I mean, like in terms of Mirage, Crunchy
[22:05:44] < aadster> is DoorsCS any good
[22:05:45] <+patz2009> They should all work the same.
[22:05:49] < aadster> I like the GUI
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[22:05:52] < Randomist> aadster:  No!
[22:05:57] <+patz2009> And no, DoorsCS isn't that great.
[22:05:59] < aadster> :O
[22:06:00] < aadster> ok
[22:06:08] < aadster> what do you use
[22:06:15] < Randomist> I use CalcUtil.
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[22:06:29] <+patz2009> CalcUtil or MirageOS are good for most uses.
[22:06:30] < aadster> patz - the reason I don't want any OS above 2.30 is because of the "press-to-test" "teacher lock" thing
[22:06:55] <+patz2009> aadster: BrandonW made a patch to get rid of it on OS 2.41, I know.
[22:07:03] < aadster> woah
[22:07:07] <+patz2009> I'm not sure if he did it for 2.43 though
[22:07:11] < aadster> I searched his website
[22:07:23] < aadster> maybe I'm not good at looking but I didn't see anything like that
[22:07:25] <+patz2009> It's something like pttp.zip
[22:07:34] <+patz2009> It says that it's something scary
[22:07:58] < aadster> haha
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[22:07:58] < aadster> nice
[22:08:00] <@efneTI86> [DSP_Lord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[22:08:10] < aadster> so it gets rid of the LEFT+RIGHT ARROW + ON thing
[22:08:16] <+patz2009> yeah
[22:08:20] < aadster> nice!
[22:08:26] <+patz2009> For OS 2.41 only, though
[22:08:30] < aadster> ok
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[22:08:35] < aadster> once i apply this patch
[22:08:39] < aadster> is it permenant
[22:08:43] <+patz2009> Indeed it is.
[22:08:50] <+patz2009> Until you reinstall a new OS.
[22:08:51] < aadster> I actually like v2.22 since it graphs faster
[22:09:16] <+patz2009> 2.30 added special graphing checks, it has more accurate graphing than 2.22
[22:09:21] <+patz2009> but at the cost of speed
[22:09:46] < aadster> yea
[22:10:08] < aadster> i dled that pttp.zip
[22:10:11] < aadster> the readme says:
[22:10:12] < aadster> "
[22:10:13] < aadster> This one's so scary that I'm not even going to tell you what it does. Fear it. Respect it."
[22:10:22] < aadster> Are you sure you're not pulling my chain? lol
[22:10:29] <+patz2009> Yeah. pttp stands for press-to-test patch
[22:10:35] < aadster> ok
[22:10:39] < aadster> so i get os 2.41
[22:10:44] < aadster> and then send that to my calc?
[22:10:47] <+patz2009> And run that program
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[22:11:28] < aadster> whats newest version of calcutil?
[22:11:30] < aadster> 2.01
[22:11:38] < Sir_Lewk> sup sup sup yos
[22:11:49] <+patz2009> 'Sup, Sir_Lewk?
[22:12:15] <+patz2009> aadster: 2.021
[22:12:22] <+patz2009> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/400/40029.html
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[22:13:10] < aadster> thanks thats the page I was on
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[22:13:15] < aadster> not sure if it was updated though
[22:13:25] <+patz2009> It's the latest.
[22:13:47] < aadster> I wish there was a patch for os v2.43
[22:14:02] <+patz2009> He might have made one, but I haven't heard of it.
[22:15:14] < aadster> crap 
[22:15:22] < aadster> I can't find OS 2.41 anywhere
[22:15:30] < Sir_Lewk> lol
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[22:16:06] < i_c-Y> aadster: dont listen to patz2009 , hes a troll!
[22:16:10] < aadster> Brandon has some of the neatest stuff..
[22:16:13] < i_c-Y> he is a harpy siren thing!
[22:16:16] <+patz2009> >.>
[22:16:19] < i_c-Y> he will lead you to your DOOM!
[22:16:25] < i_c-Y> which i totally welcome, btw.
[22:16:35] <+patz2009> I'm supposed to be the emo kid iirc.
[22:16:47] < Sir_Lewk> but i likez patz2009... :(
[22:16:55] <+patz2009> <.<
[22:17:07] < i_c-Y> you can join aadster in damnation too.
[22:17:12] < i_c-Y> :)
[22:17:14] < Spengo> ONLY YOU can prevent forest fires
[22:17:30]  * i_c-Y lights a forest fire
[22:17:39]  * patz2009 prevents it
[22:17:40] < i_c-Y> Spengo: BLOW OUT THE CANDLES!
[22:18:00] < i_c-Y> see?
[22:18:04] < i_c-Y> patz2009 is evil
[22:18:10] < i_c-Y> i was giving Spengo the world for his birthday
[22:18:16] < i_c-Y> and i couldnt find big enough candles
[22:18:19] < i_c-Y> so i lit a forest
[22:18:24] < i_c-Y> and patz2009 destroys it
[22:18:29] < i_c-Y> destroying Spengo 's birthday
[22:18:37] < Sir_Lewk> the world is yours
[22:18:39] < i_c-Y> whats next patz2009 ? ar eyou going to ruin christmas?
[22:18:40] < Spengo> there will be cake
[22:18:46] <+patz2009> LIES!
[22:18:50] < i_c-Y> meh, my world.
[22:19:08] <+patz2009> i_c-Y: No, when I tried my heart grew 3 sizes that day.
[22:19:43] < Sir_Lewk> there will be delicious cake, you must eat it
[22:20:17] < Gr|m> Anybody know where I can buy a 15 pf capacitor and if installing it will shorten my calc's life?
[22:20:55] <+patz2009> Gr|am, which calc?
[22:21:06] < i_c-Y> and it kinda depends on what youre using the cap for
[22:21:17] < Sir_Lewk> are you OCing it or something?
[22:21:21] <+patz2009> Overclocking, I guess.
[22:21:26] < Gr|m> TI-83 plus
[22:21:34] < Gr|m> Yeh, overclocking
[22:21:41] < Gr|m> http://richfiles.solarbotics.net/Turbo83.html
[22:21:57] < Gr|m> I also have a TI-84 Plus SE can I overclock that the same way?
[22:22:03] <+patz2009> Notice that those instructions are for the 83, not the 83+.
[22:22:15] <+patz2009> Two different calculators, it might not work.
[22:22:32] <+patz2009> And, the 84+ would not work due to the fact that they use crystal timers.
[22:22:50] < Gr|m> Oh.. Do you think the plus matters?
[22:23:00] < Gr|m> Should I see if it is the same original capacitor
[22:23:01] <+patz2009> It definitely does matter.
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[22:27:49] < Gr|m> Crap, its a C22...
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[22:28:00] < Gr|m> Can I just get a bigger one of those?
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[22:28:13] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
[22:28:17] <+patz2009> Yeah, the instructions are not for the 83+. Don't even try it.
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[22:28:46] < Gr|m> Aw... Are you sure there isn't anything I can do..
[22:28:54] < Gr|m> I can just try a different capacitor..
[22:28:58] < Gr|m> XD
[22:29:03] <+patz2009> I've never seen instructions for the 83+.
[22:29:19] <+patz2009> And, if you want to possibly ruin your calculator, go right ahead.
[22:29:42] < Gr|m> Awesome.
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[22:32:05] < Gr|m> I found instructions for the 83+, but it has a different circuitboard than my calc... http://www.ftp83plus.net/overclocA.htm
[22:32:38] <+patz2009> There were many different hardware revisions of the 83+.
[22:32:41] < aadster> is MegaMan 83 good?
[22:32:46] <@benryves> I wouldn't bother, Gr|m, it's more trouble than it's worth :\
[22:33:14] < Gr|m> =(
[22:33:48] <@Grue> Woohoo
[22:33:53] <@Grue> I got Grue back
[22:34:17] <+patz2009> w00t
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[22:37:15] <@efneTI86> [DSP_Lord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
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[22:37:34] < aadster> Quick - best ti 84/83 plus game of all time?
[22:37:44] <+patz2009> Phoenix imho
[22:38:10] < aadster> i beat it
[22:38:15] < aadster> I think its too short :(
[22:38:17] < aadster> but it's fun
[22:38:20] <+patz2009> Yeah...
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[22:41:44] < aadster> well
[22:41:47] < aadster> gotta go
[22:41:50] < aadster> thanks for the help
[22:41:55] <+patz2009> No problem.
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[22:46:41] < aadster> hey
[22:46:43] < aadster> quick question
[22:47:00] < aadster> what's the Writeback, Save Screen, and Legacy Token options in CalcUtil do
[22:47:50] <+patz2009> Writeback makes it so you can save high scores and such, save screen and legacy tokens I'm not sure, but they're not important.
[22:48:09] < aadster> so should I just enable all of them
[22:48:19] < Nikky> patz2009 kicks ass
[22:48:21] < Nikky> what a champ
[22:48:25] <+patz2009> You could, or you could keep them all disabled.
[22:48:36] < Randomist> Save Screen is for when you are editing programs.
[22:48:38] <+patz2009> Problems shouldn't occur either way/
[22:48:42] <+patz2009> Oh yeah.
[22:48:46] < Randomist> It will prompt you to save or not when you exit the TIOS editor.
[22:49:28] < aadster> wow
[22:49:33] < aadster> in the verdante forest
[22:49:39] < aadster> you have to unarchive the maps to play the game
[22:49:40] < aadster> :|
[22:50:48] < aadster> ?
[22:50:51] < aadster> my RAM just cleared
[22:51:06] < aadster> is it something to do with Krol, Omni and CalcUtil?
[22:51:12] < aadster> I have all of those installed
[22:51:26] <+patz2009> They usually chain pretty nicely
[22:51:39] < Nikky> not omnicalc
[22:51:43] < aadster> ok
[22:51:54] < Randomist> Yeah, Omnicalc can be mean sometimes. 
[22:52:22] < aadster> why did CalcUtil uninstall itslef and clear ram?
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[22:52:33] <+patz2009> It keeps hooks in the RAM.
[22:52:41] <+patz2009> All apps that you "install" do.
[22:52:56] < aadster> should I "overwrite" or "chain" hooks
[22:53:05] <+patz2009> Chain
[22:53:22] < aadster> Wow
[22:53:25] < aadster> CalcUtil is slick
[22:53:35] < aadster> ok
[22:53:39] < aadster> im geting the problem again
[22:53:48] < aadster> when I install omnicalc and then calcutil
[22:53:52] < aadster> and hit 2nd + Mem
[22:53:55] < aadster> my calc shuts off
[22:53:57] < aadster> and when I turn it on
[22:53:59] < aadster> it clears RAM
[22:54:12] < aadster> hmm
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[22:54:21] < Randomist> lol
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[22:54:33] < aadster> any ideas?
[22:54:56] < Randomist> I blame Krolypto.
[22:54:59] < Randomist> * Omnicalc
[22:55:21] < aadster> wow
[22:55:25] < aadster> it keeps doing it
[22:55:26] < aadster> wtf
[22:55:33] < Randomist> I have Krolypto and CalcUtil and xLIB on my two calcs and they all play nicely.
[22:55:41] < aadster> ok
[22:55:45] < aadster> well i dont really need omni
[22:55:57] < aadster> I have Fake also
[22:55:59] < aadster> but its not enabled
[22:56:14] < aadster> what's xLIB
[22:56:50] < Randomist> xLIB is another app that extends the features of BASIC programs, like Omnicalc.
[22:57:16] < aadster> hmm
[22:57:20] < aadster> i deleted omni
[22:57:21] < Randomist> But it's a bit more popular and more stable, I think.
[22:57:29] < aadster> and still have Krol. protecting mem
[22:57:33] < aadster> but now when i install Calc
[22:57:38] < aadster> it says hooks exist overwrite or chain
[22:57:48] < aadster> so...
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[22:57:52] < aadster> it doesnt make sense
[22:57:53] <@efneTI86> [DSP_Lord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
[22:57:56] < aadster> Should I chain again?
[22:58:03] <+patz2009> Indeed.
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[22:58:04] < Randomist> Probably gotta reset, then enable Krolypto first, then enable CalcUtil.
[22:58:20] < aadster> that was the order i did it in anyway
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[22:59:43] < aadster> freakin' did it again
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[23:01:57] < Randomist> benryves:  What's the latest version of Wabbitemu for Windows
[23:02:19] <+patz2009> argh, my auction on eBay isn't getting any bids =/
[23:02:24] < i_c-Y> Randomist: www.google.com, go look.
[23:02:28] < i_c-Y> patz2009: link
[23:02:43] <+patz2009> i_c-Y: It's for yugioh cards.
[23:02:51] <+patz2009> That's probably why.
[23:02:53] < i_c-Y> again, link
[23:03:01] <+patz2009> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110226741592
[23:03:02] < Randomist> i_c-Y: I did that.  I'm going up through the forum, looking for the last link.
[23:03:28] < i_c-Y> whats with the odd item location, patz2009 
[23:03:38] <+patz2009> I used to live there.
[23:03:46] <+patz2009> Just never edited my user info.
[23:03:59] < i_c-Y> that deck kinda sucks.
[23:04:05] <+patz2009> Meh.
[23:04:11] <+patz2009> It used to be good.
[23:04:44] <@benryves> Randomist: How would I know, anyway?
[23:04:56] < i_c-Y> benryves: Randomist is an idiot. please excuse him.
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[23:05:18] < Randomist> Oh, wait, wrong person.
[23:06:14] < Randomist> Don't ask how I managed to get call Spengo benryves.
[23:06:16] < Randomist> * Spencer
[23:06:31] <@benryves> Third time lucky, huh?
[23:07:53] < i_c-Y> more like third time unucky
[23:07:56] < i_c-Y> unlucky*
[23:08:07] < i_c-Y> when Spencer smites Randomist for being an idiot
[23:08:16] <+patz2009> I wanna get rid of these cards... =/
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[23:09:39] < aadster> ok
[23:09:44] < aadster> I was transferring my files
[23:09:49] < aadster> and all of the sudden I get an error
[23:10:08] < aadster> and When i plug my calc into my computer via USB i get a device has malfuncitoned error
[23:10:10] < aadster> what should I do?
[23:10:20] < i_c-Y> that means you have to drop your calculator in a tub of soapy water
[23:10:21] <+patz2009> Use a different USB port.
[23:10:23] < i_c-Y> its got dirty
[23:10:26] < i_c-Y> and you need to wash it
[23:10:41] <+patz2009> Or do what i_c-Y said.
[23:10:56] < aadster> bout time
[23:11:08] < aadster> now it says found new hardware
[23:11:09] < aadster> wtf haha
[23:11:20] < aadster> its reinstalling driver
[23:11:36] < aadster> What does OS 2.43 do?
[23:11:40] < aadster> What was the main upgrade?
[23:11:42] <+patz2009> aadster: You wouldn't happen to be interested in yugioh cards, are you?
[23:11:43] < aadster> I cant find release notes
[23:11:52] < Randomist> patz2009:  I'll take 'em. :P
[23:11:59] <+patz2009> Randomist: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110226741592
[23:12:02] < aadster> Acutally patz, I used to play back in middle school haha
[23:12:04] <+patz2009> =P
[23:12:41] < Randomist> I'd add them to my archive for future-something.
[23:13:47] <+patz2009> If anyone wants to dump off some old yugioh cards, send them my way =[
[23:14:48] < i_c-Y> did you try craigs list?
[23:15:11] <+patz2009> Nah... maybe I should?
[23:15:22] < i_c-Y> maybe.
[23:15:35] < i_c-Y> or you can go and use the yugioh cards as fancy but terrible rolling paper
[23:15:38] < i_c-Y> and get asbestos poisoining
[23:15:40] < i_c-Y> and sue yugioh
[23:15:46] < i_c-Y> then not realize he was real
[23:15:51] <+patz2009> I could do that.
[23:15:57] < i_c-Y> cause your yugioh cards were really printed on blotter paper.
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[23:16:01] <@efneTI86> [bsparks] Look! It's Captain Sarcasm, Master of the Universe!
[23:16:10] < aadster> wow same damn error
[23:16:11] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v bsparks] by efneTI83
[23:16:11] <+patz2009> Hello, Captain Sarcasm.
[23:17:43] < aadster> http://calcg.org/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?t=8316
[23:17:50] < aadster> It seems as if Brandon HAS made a patch
[23:18:11] <+patz2009> Oh, I never saw it before.
[23:18:36] < aadster> Did I mention I love you Brandon?
[23:18:46] < aadster> Ok - will I'm gonna try a PC restart to cure this malfuction prob
[23:18:48] < aadster> ttyl guys
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[23:19:58] < i_c-Y> who is this aadster guy and why does he worship BrandonW ?
[23:20:12] <+patz2009> Who DOESN'T worship BrandonW?
[23:20:20] < Randomist> Not my fault. [Peers around.]
[23:21:03] < i_c-Y> i know you're behind this, Randomist 
[23:21:04] < i_c-Y> >:(
[23:22:55] < Randomist> Lies!  I'm to the side!
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[23:26:31] -!- Irssi: #tcpa: Total of 52 nicks [13 ops, 0 halfops, 17 voices, 22 normal]
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[23:29:14]  * Randomist digs a giant hole in the center of the channel.
[23:29:30]  * chronomex gets some chocolate
[23:30:25] < Randomist> [Hungrily:]  Mmmmmm...
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[23:30:55] <+patz2001> imma raep
[23:31:17] < Randomist> chronomex:  Wish you hadn't of said that...  now I really _am_ hungry. :P
[23:31:23] < chronomex> hahaha
[23:31:27]  * chronomex just made Randomist fat
[23:32:08]  * Randomist runs it off in circles.
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[23:38:12] <+patz2009> lulz #tcpatards
[23:41:37] < i_c-Y> lulz patz2009 
[23:41:56] <+patz2009> crap, 2minutes and my item isn't going to sell =.
[23:41:58] <+patz2009> =/*
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[23:44:12] < aadster> OK - I'm installing os 2.43 and putting Brandon's patch on
[23:46:28] <+patz2009> No sale. =/
[23:47:37] < aadster> whats the bets version of pheonix?
[23:47:41] < aadster> Darkpheonix?
[23:47:44] < aadster> Gold Pheonix?
[23:47:47] < aadster> so many
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[23:54:20] < Spengo> should have called it efneti-v200
[23:54:20] < i_c-Y> Ion is a pretty superior shell too.
[23:54:26] < Spengo> ion is good for regular 83
[23:54:33] < i_c-Y> so is venus.
[23:54:41] < Spengo> mirage/crunchy/noshell are the best on 83+/84+ methinks
[23:55:06] < Spengo> 'cause when your calc crashes when using ION you lose all your dataz :(
[23:55:09] < i_c-Y> mirage is the best.
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[23:55:14] <@efneTI86> [DSPLord] *waves hand* You will give me +v.
[23:55:15] < Spengo> no more much data in MATH
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[23:55:52] <@benryves> Ion is a pretty ropey choice on the 83+ as it appends its functions to the program you're running, which causes problems for programs > 8KB.
[23:57:46] < Spengo> peaches
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[23:58:02] <@benryves> Peaches?
[23:58:08] < Spengo> Peaches.
[23:58:14] <+patz2009> Pears?
[23:58:16] < Randomist> And cream?
[23:58:19] < Spengo> No.
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[23:59:23] < aadster> think of any
[23:59:31]  * Randomist jumps.
[23:59:34]  * Spengo thinks of the word "any"
[23:59:43] < aadster> haha
[23:59:54] < aadster> I'm guessing with the ptt patch i just run it like
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