--- Log opened Mon Feb 25 00:00:03 2008
--- Day changed Mon Feb 25 2008
[00:00:03] < Barrett> http://andy.calcgames.org/
[00:00:18] < i_c-Y> ok
[00:00:19] < Barrett> if that has updated, you should see "Fedora Test Page"
[00:00:28] < i_c-Y> i see fedora test page
[00:00:32] < Barrett> ok.
[00:00:39] < Barrett> i set up a virtual host for that subdomain
[00:00:48] < chronomex> i too see fedora test page
[00:00:51] < Barrett> and on all directories under that, it gives a directory listing (assuming there is no index page)
[00:00:58] < Nikky> lol fedora
[00:01:12] < Barrett> there is no index page in that folder, yet it gives the index page of /var/www/html/ or whatever
[00:01:30] < i_c-Y> To prevent this page from ever being used, follow the instructions in the file /etc/httpd/conf.d/welcome.conf.
[00:02:43] < Barrett> I thought I looked at that file
[00:02:48] < Barrett> diablo
[00:03:09] < i_c-Y> unless your test page is lying, then you probably didnt.
[00:03:23] < Barrett> i guess it was just such a small file that i didn't think there was any useful information in it
[00:03:29] < Barrett> (like 7 lines of 5 words each)
[00:03:47] <@E-J> Spengo: they are pronounced as they are written ;)
[00:03:58] <@E-J> s/as/like/
[00:07:38] <@E-J> Merthsoft: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/271154 but that i won't translate, i won't even try :)
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[00:08:34] <@efneTI86> [Tar1] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[00:08:36] <@efneTI86> [Leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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[00:11:15] <+TD-Linux> lol
[00:11:18] <+TD-Linux> longest word: forever
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[00:14:53] < Leofox> wut?
[00:17:09] < Barrett> TD-Linux: no
[00:17:13] < Barrett> it's "smiles"
[00:17:22] <+DSP_Lord> cuz there's a mile in between dur
[00:33:27] <+Merthsoft> finnish is a stupid language
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[00:47:22] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
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[01:04:22] < blitter> ok wtf TI-OS, apparently right before calling my code at $FCA0, the TI-OS wipes bit 2 of each 16th byte of vidmem. um, why
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[01:04:49] <+TheStorm> that is weird
[01:04:58] < BrandonW> You know, I never really understood why video memory is used for this hack.
[01:05:02] < blitter> meh... time to align the code such that nops are on each 16th byte
[01:05:15] < blitter> i know that vidmem is located at FC00
[01:05:28] < blitter> i can *see* that it is ;)
[01:05:34] < BrandonW> Yeah, I just don't know why it's used.
[01:05:40] < BrandonW> To run code like this.
[01:06:18] < BrandonW> Wouldn't some other area of memory be better?
[01:06:24] < blitter> also lets me easily drop code in and run it... create an 86i file with object code, RcPic, jump to somewhere in vidmem using custom menu
[01:06:41] < blitter> it could, but where, and how would i get code there
[01:07:24] < BrandonW> Maybe you can write a tiny launcher that runs from $FC00 and grabs code from elsewhere and copies it somewhere else, and jumps there.
[01:07:39] < BrandonW> And align that or whatever you need to do to it to get it working properly.
[01:07:51] < BrandonW> And then you can code uninterrupted by crap like that.
[01:08:12] < blitter> grabs code from "elsewhere?"
[01:08:19] < BrandonW> Like say another picture variable.
[01:08:20] < BrandonW> Or program.
[01:08:21] < BrandonW> Or string.
[01:08:31] < BrandonW> A mini-shell, if you will.
[01:09:09] < BrandonW> Something simple that looks up a certain picture variable, copies it to saferam, and jumps there.
[01:09:19] < blitter> but where in memory? rom calls aren't exactly the same (at least, they crash when i try to make them-- i think the jump table is different)
[01:09:43] < BrandonW> Surely there's a saferam buffer somewhere on the 86.
[01:09:49] < BrandonW> APD buffer maybe?
[01:10:11] < blitter> there's _textShadow but that's only 168 bytes
[01:11:01] < BrandonW> There has to be SOMETHING.
[01:11:07] < BrandonW> Maybe just insert it at $D748.
[01:11:41] < blitter> hmm, _textShadow might work, assuming it's in the same place... my code is only 16*6+2 bytes
[01:14:59] < BrandonW> I might put a small piece of code in _textShadow that deletes X bytes from $D748, push that address on the stack, insert X bytes to $D748 and copy my code there, and jump there.
[01:15:26] < BrandonW> It might be more trouble than it's worth, but it'd be the start of a shell for this thing.
[01:15:40] < BrandonW> And then a ROM dumper becomes easy.
[01:21:29]  * mokomull pokes chronomex 
[01:24:48]  * i_c-Y pokes mokomull 
[01:28:29] < Randomist> Hm, I think I'm getting in over my head with this volcano thing.  Maybe I should start with something simpler.
[01:29:23] < i_c-Y> Randomist: maybe stop making stuff
[01:29:28] < i_c-Y> and think about what youre going to make first.
[01:33:37] < Leofox> is audiosurf fun?
[01:33:43] < blitter> heck yes
[01:33:45] < Leofox> i see it has Dragonforce and Still Alive
[01:34:00] < blitter> it's basically guitar hero meets tetris
[01:34:02] < Randomist> I did think.  I thought, "Hm, it is simple enough to make in BASIC."
[01:34:03] <@benryves> It's... "meh".
[01:34:22] < Leofox> well should i buy it?
[01:34:24] <@benryves> I'd imagine it got boring pretty quickly. :\
[01:34:24] < Leofox> getting the demmo now
[01:34:46] < Barrett> what is a particle volcano?
[01:35:06] < Leofox> i'd say it's a volcona but with particles instead of lava
[01:36:18] < Leofox> loadering audiosurf takes forever
[01:36:28] < Leofox> even on 2.7MB/s
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[01:37:25] < Randomist> I didn't think it all the way though 'cause I forgot I need to use decimals.
[01:38:33] <@benryves> Randomist: The first eight words of that sentence seem to apply to most of your endeavours. :P
[01:38:45] < i_c-Y> haha
[01:39:46] < blitter> Randomist: what I usually do is start with the most basic thing and work up from there. for example my very first asm prog simply drew a sprite to the screen and paused for a while... the calc crashed afterwards but at least it was a step in the right direction
[01:39:50]  * Sir_Lewk laughes maniacally
[01:40:29] <+Sir_Lewk> "<Leofox> well should i buy it?" hells yes
[01:40:35] <+Sir_Lewk> best $10 I ever spent
[01:41:10] < i_c-Y> audiosurf is laaaaame.
[01:41:34] <+Sir_Lewk> anyways, I just wrote a script that aliases sudo to a fake sudo script
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[01:42:27] <+Sir_Lewk> the fake script acts like sudo, executing the command with real sudo and everything, except it also installs and starts up sshd and stores the password in plain text somewhere readable
[01:42:52] < i_c-Y> what kinda retarded script are you writing
[01:43:02] <+Sir_Lewk> I don't indent on ever actually using it, it just demonstrates how fscked up sudo is
[01:43:12] <+Sir_Lewk> well, sudo as many people use it
[01:43:16] < i_c-Y> its only fucked up when you use it
[01:43:24] < BrandonW> i_c-Y: opinions on the Verizon XV6800.
[01:43:25] <+Sir_Lewk> *I* do not use it
[01:43:26] < i_c-Y> even Randomist doesnt do stupid shit like that
[01:44:49] < i_c-Y> BrandonW: audio quality is decent, speaker is weak, and its of average speed. could be a bit faster.
[01:45:20] < i_c-Y> pretty good feature array
[01:45:39] < BrandonW> Price complaints?
[01:46:19] < i_c-Y> hm
[01:46:31] < i_c-Y> seems a tad high, but we are dealing with verizon
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[01:46:54] < i_c-Y> however, BrandonW 
[01:46:57] < BrandonW> I don't even have Verizon and I'm thoroughly convinced it's the devil.
[01:47:07] < i_c-Y> this conversation would be better directed at Nikky - he follows this more than i do
[01:47:21] < BrandonW> Don't you follow everything?
[01:47:37] < i_c-Y> not everything.
[01:47:59] < i_c-Y> if you asked me about home decor id be like wtf
[01:48:07] < i_c-Y> then id defer it to my roommate
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[01:50:13] < i_c-Y> BrandonW: you should probably consider if its worth shelling out the money, or if youd actually use smartphone features.
[01:50:28] < BrandonW> That's all I would use.
[01:50:34] < BrandonW> Nobody actually calls me.
[01:50:52] < BrandonW> But it'd be good to have.
[01:51:03] < i_c-Y> why dont you consider a nokia on tmobile then?
[01:51:19] < BrandonW> Link me to one.
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[01:52:23] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
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[01:52:38] < i_c-Y> data should be cheaper by a good bit, and youll have some more features.
[01:52:44] < BrandonW> I ask because I can supposedly get a work discount on that phone. I don't actually know what the discount is yet.
[01:52:52] < BrandonW> Like what?
[01:53:05] < i_c-Y> depends on the phone. :)
[01:53:16] < BrandonW> I mean, just name one feature that that phone doesn't have.
[01:53:26] < Leofox> audiosurf runs really bad on my PC
[01:54:24] <+Sir_Lewk> turn down the stuffs
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[01:55:39] < i_c-Y> well
[01:55:48] < i_c-Y> not more features so much as better features i guess.
[01:56:15] < i_c-Y> like a camera that doesnt suck, etc.
[01:56:50] < BrandonW> Corin Nemec is a scientologist. :(
[01:57:27] < i_c-Y> and for example, american nokia n95 has 8 gigs or something in one of the editions
[01:57:42] < Leofox> and it's not even in sync with the music
[01:57:53] < Leofox> yeah i turned stuff down but it's ugly now
[01:58:09] < Leofox> lol it's showing me who else played still alive
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[02:00:02] < i_c-Y> damn that scientology!
[02:00:19] < BrandonW> It makes me sad to read the celebrity list.
[02:00:27] < BrandonW> People I grew up with, welcomed into my home Saturday mornings...
[02:00:31] < BrandonW> Damn scientologists. :(
[02:01:00] < i_c-Y> yeah....
[02:01:16] <@benryves> http://www.b3ta.com/board/8061358 :)
[02:03:25] < i_c-Y> next thing ill know benryves is a scientologist :(
[02:03:46] <@benryves> All hail Xenu (or whatever it is those crazies say).
[02:04:01] < BrandonW> Xenu's evil in Scientology.
[02:04:09] < BrandonW> So anti-Scientologists say all hail Xenu.
[02:04:42] < i_c-Y> anti-scientologists say burn em scientlologists alive!
[02:07:27] < BrandonW> No, just lock them in a room and slap some sense into them.
[02:07:38] < i_c-Y> but
[02:07:41] < i_c-Y> burning them is more fun
[02:07:57] < i_c-Y> and less of a hassle
[02:08:05] < i_c-Y> we'll tell them we're freeing their souls or something
[02:08:07] < BrandonW> When your church is accused of acknowledging the existence of an alien named Xenu and they don't deny it...it's time to re-evaluate your beliefs.
[02:08:23] < BrandonW> No, we just need to crowed them around a volcano and set off a nuclear device.
[02:08:27] < BrandonW> Which is what they believe happened.
[02:08:36] < Leofox> the xenu story isn't what;s bad about scientology
[02:08:46] < BrandonW> crowd*
[02:08:52] < i_c-Y> but flying them out to a volcano is more work than just lighting them on fire.
[02:08:53] < Leofox> it's silly, but harmless
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[02:09:30] < tifreak> hello
[02:09:36] < Leofox> the problem is that they violently attack their SPs and do bad stuff to their own members
[02:09:39] < i_c-Y> remember, scientologists are only allowed to go to scientology systems i think
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[02:09:50] < i_c-Y> so they'll either die or realize scientologoy is worthless
[02:09:52] < i_c-Y> win win situation
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[02:10:00] < tifreak> oops
[02:10:04] < tifreak> sorry bout that
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[02:10:16] <@efneTI86> [Speng0] If at first you don't succeed, you fail.
[02:10:16] < i_c-Y> sup freak
[02:10:30] < tifreak> nothing much
[02:10:34] < tifreak> just got back home
[02:10:34] < Leofox> i believe the official stance of Anonymous is that the beliefs arent bad, but the organization is
[02:10:37] < tifreak> how bout you? :P
[02:10:43] < BrandonW> "sup freak" lol
[02:10:47] < i_c-Y> not much, had too much sugar today i think
[02:10:48] < Leofox> Freezone and all
[02:10:52] < tifreak> lol
[02:11:02] < tifreak> branond, I have been called FAR worse :P
[02:11:06] < tifreak> ack!
[02:11:09] < tifreak> brandon*
[02:11:13] < BrandonW> I'm not one for putting down people's beliefs, but if you follow Scientology, you're a frigging nut, and I'll maintain that.
[02:11:30] < i_c-Y> freak is your name, i dont see why i shouldnt call you by it.
[02:11:46] < Leofox> BrandonW, have you seen the tom cruise movie yet?
[02:11:53] < Leofox> where he rants about Co$
[02:12:04] < Leofox> 'zomg Co$ is so great'
[02:12:07] < tifreak> well, I can't use my first name on this network, the nick is already in use :P
[02:12:10] < tifreak> DanielT
[02:12:12] < tifreak> oops
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[02:12:18] < DanielT> hah, there we go
[02:12:20] < DanielT> :P
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[02:12:27] < i_c-Y> sup T
[02:12:29] < Leofox> well g2g sleeps
[02:12:32] < Leofox> pi
[02:12:39] < DanielT> night leo
[02:12:48] < i_c-Y> night fox
[02:12:49] < Leofox> [03:14:15] <Leofox> pi
[02:13:09] < DanielT> I wonder if that Mister T commercial for WoW is on youtube..?
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[02:14:47] < i_c-Y> this room is cold
[02:15:56] < DanielT> lol
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[02:18:46] < Randomist> Oh, wow.  MirageOS' got a bunch of routines.  In that case, why don't more people write stuff for MirageOS?
[02:19:10] < BrandonW> MirageOS rules all.
[02:19:12] < BrandonW> It owns you.
[02:19:14] < BrandonW> Bow to it.
[02:19:32]  * Randomist bows.
[02:19:49] < BrandonW> People do write stuff for it.
[02:20:00] < BrandonW> Although Ion's the best thing to write for, because it keeps 83 people in the loop.
[02:20:04] < BrandonW> And will still run in any modern shell.
[02:20:22] < DanielT> heh
[02:20:29] < DanielT> brandon, did you get my message yesterday?
[02:20:38] < BrandonW> Yes, I saw that.
[02:20:50] < BrandonW> I'll either have to write the backup thing or just buy it.
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[02:21:06] <@efneTI86> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
[02:21:06] < DanielT> which ever you believe to be the easiest
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[02:21:34] < BrandonW> I'd have to convert the Mallard backup to an archived appvar and then write a sender for it on the 83+.
[02:22:04] < BrandonW> And I do have a 73 to test with, so it's not so hard.
[02:22:21] < DanielT> um.. would you not have to write something on the 73 to recieve?
[02:22:48] < BrandonW> No, it can receive backups just fine.
[02:22:53] < BrandonW> And your 73 can't run assembly programs (yet).
[02:23:08] < BrandonW> So there's nothing we could write.
[02:23:13] < BrandonW> All this is to get to the point that we can.
[02:23:31] < BrandonW> The 83+ program would just fake being a PC.
[02:23:32] < DanielT> i just thought if you wrote an app..
[02:23:45] < DanielT> the 73 should still be able to run applications, shouldn't it?
[02:23:55] < BrandonW> Yes, but we can't write 73 freeware applications.
[02:24:02] < BrandonW> Not without running the assembly patcher I wrote, which you can't run. :)
[02:24:09] < BrandonW> It's a mess.
[02:24:10] < DanielT> lol
[02:24:52] < BrandonW> You could run it of course by updating the OS, but that defeats the purpose.
[02:24:56] < BrandonW> The goal is to get a dump of that OS.
[02:25:01] < DanielT> yup
[02:25:03] < BrandonW> Because no one else has it and it was never an update, so TI can't send it to us.
[02:25:22] < DanielT> So.. what would be a fair price on that calc... XD
[02:25:49] < DanielT> thinkin this is what this will boil down too :P
[02:26:09] < BrandonW> I said $100 a long time ago, but reflecting on it, that was kinda crazy.
[02:26:14] < BrandonW> Unless you're going to hold it ransom.
[02:26:20] < BrandonW> "Pay up or I erase the OS on this thing."
[02:26:32] < DanielT> nevar
[02:26:44] < BrandonW> What did you pay for it?
[02:27:10] < DanielT> it was $40 for the calc, and like $9 for the shipping
[02:27:28] < Netham45> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200202886666&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123
[02:27:33] < DanielT> http://youtube.com/watch?v=1bsOKH3_DNo  tis awesome
[02:27:44] < DanielT> and like I said before, this thing is mint condition
[02:28:18] < BrandonW> Wow, you can get a 73 on eBay for $37 now.
[02:28:34] < BrandonW> Converting that to an 83+ gets you a $37 mint 83+.
[02:28:58] < DanielT> XD
[02:29:01] < Netham45> wait, you can convert a 73 to an 83+ now?
[02:29:04] < BrandonW> Yes.
[02:29:08] < Netham45> cool.
[02:29:22] < BrandonW> It won't be perfect, but it should run most games and perfectly fine for math.
[02:29:30] < Netham45> how many hax did you have to do to the OS?
[02:30:16] < BrandonW> You have to change the certificate, modify the OS' LCD delay routines, and lots of other odds and ends where it uses boot code routines (it's still the 73 boot code, which has different RAM equates, so it gets all screwy sometimes).
[02:30:39] < Netham45> are they physically the same?
[02:30:49] < Netham45> (same ram, processor, etc...?)
[02:31:22] < BrandonW> Almost, it's an earlier revision of the 83+ hardware. The differences are bit 1 port 2 (permanently low, which will freeze 83+ LCD delay routines which use that as an LCD status (and also any games that touch it)) and the Flash execution permissions (which nobody cares about).
[02:32:32] < BrandonW> DanielT, $40-$50.
[02:32:36] < Netham45> ok
[02:32:51] < Netham45> is there any way to make the software think that the port is high?
[02:33:25] < BrandonW> No, it would have to be modified, which is easy enough to do in the OS. Games would have to be manually patched to use hard-coded delays (meaning the old way we used to do things).
[02:33:51] < Netham45> ah
[02:34:05] < Netham45> would the LCDfix do anything?
[02:34:15] < BrandonW> As a matter of fact, if you could just comment out the line that actually checks bit 1 port 2, games could be easily re-assembled.
[02:34:45] < BrandonW> That program touches the 83+SE and 84+/SE LCD ports, which don't exist on the 83+.
[02:34:57] < BrandonW> And so they also don't exist on the 73.
[02:35:17] < BrandonW> One other thing, there are less RAM execution restrictions on the 73, supposedly.
[02:35:22] < BrandonW> I never tested it, but this means no 8.8K program limit.
[02:35:58] < Netham45> is that hardware or software?
[02:36:08] < BrandonW> It's a hardware thing.
[02:36:16] < Netham45> erm, yea...
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[02:36:31] < Netham45> otherwise it would exist in the 73, too....
[02:36:41] < BrandonW> It was changed on the 83+.
[02:36:55] < BrandonW> You can tell the 73 is older, and they changed a couple of things.
[02:36:59] < Netham45> why?
[02:37:00] < BrandonW> But other than that, they're identical.
[02:37:08] < Netham45> (is it blocked on the 83+)
[02:37:12] < BrandonW> For one, the 73 Flash execution permissions are ridiculous.
[02:37:18] < BrandonW> They're completely useless.
[02:37:25] < BrandonW> It's blocked on the 83+ so they could sell applications.
[02:37:33] < BrandonW> Flash applications are better, look, no size limit!
[02:37:43] < BrandonW> RAM programs suck, they can only be 8KB.
[02:37:50] < BrandonW> Buy our apps!
[02:38:00] < Netham45> heh
[02:38:13] < DanielT> lol
[02:38:22] < BrandonW> The 73 can't run assembly programs (at least no documented way), so there was no need to bother.
[02:38:27] < BrandonW> They did put in a loophole like Send(9.
[02:38:35] < BrandonW> Which works on every 73 OS except the one DanielT has, which is why I want to dump it.
[02:38:45] < Netham45> ok
[02:39:02] < BrandonW> It must've been the original 73 OS.
[02:39:08] < BrandonW> No one has it, I hadn't even heard of it until now.
[02:39:16] < BrandonW> And TI wouldn't have an 8XU of it because it was never an upgrade.
[02:39:36] < Randomist> Does MirageOS use appBackupScreen?
[02:39:46] < BrandonW> No, that's free for you to use, I'm pretty sure.
[02:39:51] < BrandonW> statVars is what you can't touch.
[02:40:04] < Netham45> BrandonW, if you can't do ASM on it, how are you going to get a dump?
[02:40:51] < BrandonW> The hacked backup method, the same way Mallard works.
[02:40:58] < BrandonW> Mallard itself may not work on that 73, but the method to execute assembly will.
[02:41:12] < DanielT> you hope :)
[02:41:15] < BrandonW> And if I can get control, I can dump the ROM.
[02:41:33] < BrandonW> And maybe find some other loophole.
[02:41:36] < Netham45> ok
[02:41:40] < BrandonW> And make Mallard completely obsolete. :)
[02:41:43] < Netham45> um...
[02:41:51] < Netham45> who has a 73?
[02:41:55] < BrandonW> Me.
[02:41:56] < DanielT> me
[02:41:57] < BrandonW> DanielT.
[02:42:02] < BrandonW> Michael did until he gave it to me.
[02:42:05] < BrandonW> Dan.
[02:42:07] < BrandonW> And others.
[02:42:08] < Netham45> isn't Mallard allready obsolete, becuase almost noone has a 73?
[02:42:17] < BrandonW> It's not obsolete if it has a purpose.
[02:42:22] < BrandonW> Who cares how many people have a 73?
[02:42:33] < BrandonW> It's a legitimate TI graphing calculator and we will break it as much as it can be broken, like any other.
[02:42:49] < BrandonW> And we can convert it to an 83+ anyway.
[02:42:55] < BrandonW> So there's no reason why you shouldn't buy one.
[02:42:59] < BrandonW> It's like two calculators in one!
[02:43:06] < Netham45> lol
[02:43:08] < Netham45> dualboot?
[02:43:14] < DanielT> hehe, AOD73 has 165 downloads :D
[02:43:24] < BrandonW> The 83+ can be converted to a 73, which Dan and many others have done, I just never have myself.
[02:43:38] < BrandonW> The Nspire could convert itself to a 73 and back again to an 84+SE.
[02:43:48] < BrandonW> I started to write the app, but I had signing issues because the 8XK was so freaking huge.
[02:43:52] < BrandonW> And just never came back to it.
[02:44:01] < BrandonW> It would all be done oncalc, I mean.
[02:44:06] < Netham45> send it as a multi-part file
[02:44:11] < Netham45> like, 2 apps
[02:44:16] < BrandonW> That's ugly.
[02:44:18] < BrandonW> And unnecessary.
[02:44:20] < Netham45> and just call the 2nd one from the 1st one.
[02:44:20] < BrandonW> Because this should work.
[02:44:23] < BrandonW> I just haven't sorted it out yet.
[02:44:25] < Netham45> does it?
[02:44:26] < Netham45> no.
[02:44:39] < DanielT> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/400/40071.html  I think it is funny that game has gotten even that many downloads so far... :)
[02:44:45] < blitter> BrandonW: good news :) i tested my hack in VTI on a 1.2 86 sending rom page 0 to your linkdump app. appears to be a success :)
[02:44:51] < Netham45> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/407/40775.html
[02:44:53] < BrandonW> Yay!
[02:45:10] < BrandonW> Look at that, 165 people or so.
[02:45:13] < Netham45> hmm
[02:45:15] < BrandonW> People have 73s.
[02:45:17] < Netham45> DanielT, are you tifreak?
[02:45:21] < DanielT> so, my game proves that some still have 73s :)
[02:45:26] < DanielT> yes
[02:45:30] < Netham45> ok
[02:45:35] < blitter> i'm going to run a diff between the output and the actual first page though, just to be sure
[02:45:53] < blitter> but the first couple dozen bytes are correct, at least :)
[02:46:05] < BrandonW> That's good news.
[02:46:08] < BrandonW> Now to get the real 86 to do it.
[02:46:27] < DanielT> the 86 was such a nice calc... basic sucked hardcore on it though... :/
[02:46:44] < blitter> yeah, gotta find a link cable first
[02:47:03] < BrandonW> Netham45, blitter here is in the same predicament...he has an 86 with an extremely old ROM version that can't run assembly. He's also using the hacked backup method to get a ROM dump and figure out how to use the Asm( command, which it has but appears to be nonfunctional.
[02:47:32] < Netham45> ok
[02:47:37] < Netham45> hmm
[02:47:48] < Netham45> I should do something with my Ti-85
[02:48:13] < BrandonW> I think we can safely say the 85 has been broken to pieces.
[02:48:16] < BrandonW> Nothing left to do on it.
[02:48:34] < blitter> also curious whether this rom does anything special with the video output port
[02:48:49] < BrandonW> I'd doubt tit.
[02:48:50] < BrandonW> it.*
[02:48:55] <+saltmiser> sup guys
[02:49:09] < BrandonW> DanielT, name your price, I gave you a ballpark range.
[02:49:40] < BrandonW> I see two 73 Explorers on eBay for $37 and $40.
[02:49:43] < BrandonW> I think I'll snatch them both.
[02:50:19] < BrandonW> Another for $35!
[02:50:23] < BrandonW> That's three 83+s for the taking.
[02:50:24] < DanielT> Well, I would like to get back what I have in it
[02:50:31] < DanielT> XD
[02:50:32] < BrandonW> So, $50?
[02:50:40] < DanielT> it would be nice to have
[02:50:48] < DanielT> especially the condition that it is in :)
[02:50:57] < DanielT> you saw the pics :P
[02:51:13] < Netham45> http://cgi.ebay.com/TEXAS-INSTRUMENTS-TI-73-GRAPHING-CALCULATOR-MINT_W0QQitemZ280203132004QQihZ018QQcategoryZ50579QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[02:51:14] < BrandonW> Actually I don't remember.
[02:51:17] < Netham45> that guy has 9 of them
[02:51:23] < BrandonW> Message me contact/payment info and we'll get that knocked out.
[02:51:30] < Netham45> for $45(shipping not included)
[02:51:32] < DanielT> ok
[02:51:48] < BrandonW> Too much!
[02:52:45] < Netham45> heh
[02:53:13] <+saltmiser> Netham45, those look nice
[02:54:55] < BrandonW> I really need to release a generic OS patcher or at least a modified 8XU so anyone can convert their 73 to an 83+.
[02:55:00] < BrandonW> Right now it's just in my head.
[02:55:07] < BrandonW> And some 8XU somewhere on my hard drive that's improperly named.
[02:55:13] < Netham45> lol
[02:55:46] < Netham45> hmm
[02:56:04] < Netham45> I was offered a PSP Slim with 8 games, and 4 movies, 3 batteries, and 2 chargers for $100.....
[02:56:09] < Netham45> woo
[02:56:20] < DanielT> that is quite the deal
[02:56:22] < BrandonW> And you accepted?
[02:56:26] < Netham45> yea
[02:56:42] < BrandonW> Anyone want one of these 73s?
[02:56:43] < Netham45> as soon as I get paid, I'm going to get it.
[02:56:44] < Randomist> Oh, wow.  It's 8:50 PM.  I've been at this ASM stuff all day.
[02:56:54] < BrandonW> Made progress, Randomist?
[02:57:45] < i_c-Y> lets hope not
[02:57:58] < BrandonW> It's harder to make crap in assembly.
[02:58:23] < i_c-Y> this is Randomist though
[02:58:49] <+Merthsoft> i make crap with my digestive track
[02:58:55] < BrandonW> tract*
[02:59:21] < DanielT> lol
[02:59:37] < BrandonW> Yay, just got myself a 73 Explorer.
[02:59:42] < BrandonW> Can't wait to see the pretty-ish blue.
[03:00:04] <+Merthsoft> shit
[03:00:07] <+Merthsoft> i knew it was tract
[03:00:11] < Randomist> I forgot what I have to do in Latenite to start off a MirageOS program.
[03:00:12] <+Merthsoft> i'm just too sick to care anymore
[03:00:31] < BrandonW> I have never once used Latenite.
[03:00:36] < BrandonW> Or else I'd tell you.
[03:01:01] < Nikky> :(
[03:01:11] < blitter> BrandonW: are appvars signed to their specific calc? VTI won't let me save the dump :\
[03:01:31] < BrandonW> What do you mean by signed to the specific calc?
[03:01:42] < BrandonW> They only work on the 83+ series, but they're not tied to a specific calculator, no.
[03:01:47] < blitter> oh ok
[03:01:49] < blitter> hrmm
[03:02:22] < BrandonW> So you sent it to a virtual 83+?
[03:02:45] < BrandonW> I KNOW there's a way to get variables out of VTI, but I really don't remember what it is.
[03:03:15] < blitter> yeah i tested it using two instances of VTI and virtual link
[03:03:28] < blitter> the file is there, i can view it from the debugger
[03:03:39] < DanielT> brandon, I know of someone here close that is using the email BrandonW@hotmail.com... :P
[03:03:52] < DanielT> he was in the same CAP unit as myself
[03:04:16] < Netham45> CAP?
[03:04:18] < BrandonW> Have him shot.
[03:04:22] < DanielT> Civil Air Patrol
[03:04:25] < DanielT> o.O
[03:04:30] < DanielT> that seems harsh XD
[03:04:34] < BrandonW> That's what he gets.
[03:04:43] < BrandonW> He stole that address from me, the bastard.
[03:04:47] < DanielT> lol
[03:04:48] < BrandonW> I stole ti83programmer from everything.
[03:04:49] < blitter> i suppose i could always rustle it out of the VTI .sav file using a hex editor :P
[03:04:59] < BrandonW> I think you might have to, blitter.
[03:05:04] < Netham45> BrandonW, you do so much original stuff with calculators... find an original nick.
[03:05:04] < DanielT> his name is Brandon Wingler, I think...
[03:05:18] <+Merthsoft> i'm just too sick to care anymore
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[03:11:08] < Randomist> Yay, I can understand my code in 'Moshpit' enough to start working on it again now.
[03:13:00] < DanielT> lol
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[03:24:12] < DanielT> ugh... got to try to plan a 30 minute class for CAP meeting tommorrow... >.<
[03:24:23] < millinao> CAP?
[03:26:24] < millinao> the wiimote thing is getting old
[03:26:36] < DanielT> yeah, CAP
[03:27:44] < DanielT> Civil Air Patrol
[03:28:22] < millinao> oh
[03:32:08] < millinao> http://www.flickr.com/photos/10907352@N08/977159315/
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[03:32:28] <@efneTI86> [Merth] Heat, time, and pressure; the things needed to make diamonds also make waffles.
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[03:52:18] < Nikky> DanielT
[03:52:24] < Nikky> Hey, that's tifreak
[03:53:18] < DanielT> yup
[03:53:19] < DanielT> :P
[03:53:26] < DanielT> Thought I would try something new on here
[03:53:58] < Nikky> It's an excellent idea
[03:54:04] < Nikky> all the cool people use their first names
[03:54:16] < DanielT> heh
[03:54:18] < Nikky> DanE, BrandonW, Nikky, Nicolas
[03:54:25] < Nikky> Andy_J
[03:54:30] < Nikky> all champs
[03:54:31] < DanielT> hmm.. how does one register a nick on this server?
[03:54:43] < Nikky> don't
[03:54:44] < Nikky> :)
[03:54:50] < DanielT> umm.. ok
[03:54:52] < DanielT> o.O
[03:54:55] < Nikky> this is EFnet
[03:55:02] < Nikky> we don't have services
[03:55:08] < Nikky> except chanfix... and that's iffy
[03:55:12] < DanielT> ah, ok
[03:55:24] < Nikky> :)
[03:55:30] < Nikky> it's the wild west
[03:55:39] < DanielT> hehe
[03:55:49] < DanielT> was "shooting" to get +v on my entrance :P
[03:55:56] < Nikky> oh
[03:56:01] < Nikky> you'll need to ident
[03:56:10] < DanielT> which means I need to register :P
[03:56:18] < Nikky> well, yes and no
[03:56:23] < Nikky> change your nick back to tifreak
[03:56:29] < Nikky> you need to set a pass first
[03:56:59] < DanielT> ok, just curious, but why don't I just set it to this?
[03:57:11] < Nikky> because
[03:57:17] < Nikky> I can't add hosts to user accounts
[03:57:23] < Nikky> and they see you as with your other nick
[03:57:26] < Nikky> :)
[03:57:30] < DanielT> ah
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[03:58:07] < Nikky> actually
[03:58:11] < Nikky> try tifreak80
[03:58:17] < Nikky> >.>
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[03:59:19] < Nikky> okay, great
[03:59:27] < Nikky> now send a PM to efneti86
[03:59:36] < Nikky> "/msg efneti86 pass <pass>"
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[04:00:04] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
[04:00:04] <+tifreak80> yay
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[04:00:18] < Nikky> okay
[04:00:23] < Nikky> now if you ever join and aren't voiced
[04:00:33] < Nikky> you can "/msg efneti86 ident pass tifreak"
[04:01:23] <+tifreak80> lol
[04:01:26] <+tifreak80> tis silly
[04:01:36] < Nikky> ?
[04:01:47] <+tifreak80> [23:02] -efneTI86- You're not tifreak80, you're tifreak. 
[04:01:53] <+tifreak80> XD
[04:01:57] < Nikky> yeah
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[04:02:04] < Nikky> because tifreak is your "botnick"
[04:02:17] <+tifreak> ah, ok
[04:03:03] <+tifreak> thanks
[04:03:15] < Nikky> you use xchat, right?
[04:03:19] <+tifreak> not yet
[04:03:28] <+tifreak> keep forgetting to download it at the library :/
[04:03:32] < Nikky> :(
[04:03:41] <+tifreak> i will try to do so tommorrow
[04:03:42] < Nikky> well, when you do, you can get on the partyline on the bots
[04:03:55] <+tifreak> got an hour window between job and CAP meeting
[04:03:59] < Nikky> which is where the cool people are
[04:04:16] <+tifreak> http://tifreakware.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=1206
[04:04:47] < Barrett> do kerm and icy go to the same school?
[04:05:10] < Nikky> yes
[04:05:16] < Nikky> feel free to make fun of i_c-Y for that
[04:05:22] <+tifreak> lol
[04:05:23] < Barrett> haha! i_c-Y sucks
[04:05:54] < Barrett> is i_c-Y in the #tcpa group on facebook?
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[04:07:02] < Nikky> dunno
[04:07:04] <+tifreak> o.O
[04:07:13]  * tifreak must investigate this group
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[04:07:14] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
[04:07:34] -!- mode/#tcpa [+v Sir_Lewk] by efneTI89
[04:08:29] <+tifreak> http://tifreakware.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=1207
[04:08:32] <+tifreak> classic ^^
[04:11:00] <+Speler> Eww
[04:11:07] <+tifreak> http://tifreakware.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=1208
[04:11:21] <+tifreak> that one is pretty funny XD
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[04:13:56] <@efneTI86> [DarkAuron] We called it Sin.
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[04:20:54] < Gr|m> Question for newbie: Is ASM the only language you can dev in for a ti-83
[04:21:12] < Barrett> you can also program in BASIC
[04:21:42] < Gr|m> Ok
[04:21:48] <+DrDnar> BASIC is kinda like programming in batch files for DOS.
[04:21:59] < Barrett> good comparison, DrDnar
[04:22:08] <+DrDnar> It gets the job done, but it really you wanting more.
[04:22:15] <+DrDnar> That's for math programs.
[04:22:23] <+DrDnar> For games, it just doesn't do.
[04:22:32] < Gr|m> Agreed.
[04:22:58] < Gr|m> I wish assembly wasn't such a pain... What would happen if I turned C# into asm then recompiled it for the ti?
[04:22:59] <+DrDnar> but assembly takes a long time to learn and a lot of a not-a-life.
[04:23:42] <+DrDnar> Won't work.
[04:24:01] < Gr|m> Sad panda... Didn't think it would
[04:24:02] <+DrDnar> In theory, you could, but in practice, C# would run as slowly BASIC.
[04:24:14] < Randomist> And, not to mention, dedication and a lengthy attention span. [Sleepily collapses onto the floor.]
[04:24:21] <+DrDnar> Plus, you'd have to write the compiler yourself in assembly.
[04:25:01] <+DrDnar> Actually, I wonder why nobody has ever made a C compiler.
[04:25:13] < Gr|m> I found one
[04:25:20] < Gr|m> was in beta, looked abandoned
[04:25:23] <+tifreak> on an old TI-83, BASIC was kinda slow, but if you knew how to optimize your code, you could still get a decent speed out of it...
[04:25:55] < Gr|m> http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/91/9187.html
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[04:26:23] < Gr|m> So is the ti-83 dev scene still alive, or what?
[04:26:33] <+tifreak> 83 not plus?
[04:26:37] < Randomist> Oh, man, I forgot.  I'm supposed to be putting games on to a friend's 83.
[04:26:40] < Gr|m> Plus silver edition =p
[04:26:47] <+DrDnar> A little, but not much.
[04:26:50] < Randomist> He should have gotten an 83+ but he said they cost too much.
[04:26:54] <+tifreak> 83+ sees a bit
[04:27:00] < Gr|m> So are you guys high-schoolers or hobbysts
[04:27:15] < Randomist> I'd say mixed.
[04:27:16] <+tifreak> calc programming is a hobby for me..
[04:27:24] <+DrDnar> Many are both. Many started in high school and stayed with it.
[04:27:36] <+tifreak> yeah, been out of school for a long time now :)
[04:27:40] <+tifreak> still workin on projects
[04:27:58] <+DrDnar> I need a major project to work on.
[04:28:12] <+DrDnar> I think I might try my hand at Cabamap-like app.
[04:28:15] < Gr|m> I can help you  with that.
[04:28:16] <+DrDnar> But. . . better.
[04:28:27] < Randomist> I need one I can work on that I will actually stick with.
[04:28:32] <+DrDnar> Er, well, when I done with my game.
[04:28:34] <+tifreak> heh, I got my major project under way...
[04:28:39] <+tifreak> :)
[04:28:41] < Gr|m> I am trying to use a GBA wireless adapter to link two ti-83's
[04:29:03] < Gr|m> This kind: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.n-shop.co.uk/images/product/103.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.n-shop.co.uk/n-kart/pid_64.htm&h=125&w=180&sz=9&hl=en&start=3&sig2=Cyd9vzIHD7mxBqd15v8-dw&um=1&tbnid=J4WaDEGPSem07M:&tbnh=70&tbnw=101&ei=dUTCR9_wMKmGpwSm-LD3DQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgba%2Bwireless%2Badapter%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
[04:29:10] < DarkAuron> longest. link. ever.
[04:29:14] < Gr|m> my question: What do I do about voltage
[04:29:27] < Gr|m> Lol, not that bad.
[04:29:30] <+DrDnar> Ya know, if you were really hardcore, you'd install an IR port in the calc case, and cheat on tests with it.
[04:29:46] < Gr|m> Hm...
[04:29:49] < Randomist> TinyURL FTW.
[04:30:00] < Gr|m> Is there an empty serial port somewhere in there?
[04:30:36] < Gr|m> Anyways, my question: What voltage does the TI-83 output at, via the wire
[04:30:37] <+DrDnar> If it's an 83+BE, you could attach something directly to the CPU ports.
[04:30:44] < Gr|m> BE?
[04:30:47] < Gr|m> Silver edition?
[04:30:49] <+DrDnar> Basic Edition.
[04:30:51] < DarkAuron> black edition
[04:30:54] < Gr|m> lol
[04:30:58] < Gr|m> Nope.
[04:31:02] <+DrDnar> so we don't confuse it with an SE
[04:31:19] < Gr|m> Too bad I don't know a lick of assembly... I'd do it in c tho
[04:31:22] <+DrDnar> Gr|m: get a volt meter and find out.
[04:31:37] < Gr|m> Yeh, but I don't have a cable here with me... 
[04:31:52] < Gr|m> The gameboy, as in all 5 ports, output .5v's...
[04:31:56] <+DrDnar> I'd say Learn Assembly in 28 Days can give you a good start into assembly.
[04:31:57] < Gr|m> Constantly..
[04:32:28] < Gr|m> Assembly scares me... Will someone tell me the best way to convert the voltage of the data?
[04:32:56] <+tifreak> probably not without you having a semi-good understanding of asm..
[04:33:08] < Gr|m> Cause otherwise I'm just gonna solder stuff randomly and fry something
[04:33:26] <+DrDnar> It's really a great text. Pointers in C can crash you just as fast as any assembly program can, doublely so without an MMU.
[04:33:45] <+tifreak> well.. that is why you pick up a voltmeter somewhere before soldering anywhere...
[04:33:54] < Gr|m> No, I already wrote a BASIC prog on the calc to send stuff quickly between them, I just need to set the GBA wireless adapter up between them
[04:34:18] < Gr|m> I did on the GBA, which is .5v output on every connection.
[04:34:21] <+DrDnar> The adapter will most likely send data way too fast for a BASIC program to properly read.
[04:34:50] < Gr|m> It's sending it to the calc via the getcalc command, I believe
[04:34:53] < Gr|m> Just using strings
[04:35:23] <+DrDnar> I'd say you'd need an assembly routine to get the data. 
[04:35:40] < Gr|m> You're all just addicted to assembly...
[04:35:49] < Gr|m> What's wrong with the embedded command to send a string
[04:35:51]  * DrDnar nods
[04:36:06]  * Gr|m visualizes heroine addicts with keyboards
[04:36:10] <+DrDnar> It's the only way to get stuff done.
[04:36:18] <+tifreak> lol
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[04:36:38] <+DrDnar> The OS routine? God only knows what overhead TIOS will insert.
[04:37:07] <+DrDnar> BrandonW will rant for hours about the horrors of TIOS routines.
[04:37:16] < Gr|m> Lol... Let's not.
[04:37:31] < Netham45> BrandonW, wha is 0x1F18?
[04:37:42] <+DrDnar> . . . 
[04:37:50] <+DrDnar> please, Netham45, don't
[04:38:31] < Netham45> what *
[04:38:42] < Gr|m> Oh God was that an assembly JOKE?
[04:38:51] <+DrDnar> No.
[04:38:59] < Gr|m> But it was angled at the rant?
[04:39:11] <+DrDnar> Well. . . maybe it was.
[04:39:12] < Netham45> I've seen BrandonW rant about it
[04:39:14] < Netham45> quite a bit
[04:39:15] < Gr|m> Exactly.
[04:39:21] < Gr|m> Look at this page: http://robmeerman.co.uk/project/gba
[04:39:24] <+DrDnar> I never did find out what 1F18 was.
[04:39:25] < Netham45> it is the end of the fields in the certificate on an 8x calc
[04:39:37] < Netham45> DrDnar, look above
[04:39:45] < Gr|m> The serial ports, 3.31v pins 2 and 3, am I going to need a handshake to use those
[04:40:05] < Gr|m> Or can I just wire them up to the output on the ti
[04:40:49] < Gr|m> And figure out a power source...
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[04:41:52] <+DrDnar> Well, there's always $C7.
[04:42:13] < Gr|m> .....?
[04:42:26] <+DrDnar> Cute little assembly instruction.
[04:42:26] < Gr|m> Cmon... You said you wanted a project ;)
[04:42:59] <+DrDnar> Nah, I'd like my next project to be math-related, and I said haven't finished my current one.
[04:43:26] < Gr|m> Nobody answered my question..
[04:43:53] <+DrDnar> I'd say the GB will want a handshake.
[04:44:01] <+DrDnar> Most comm systems do, it seems.
[04:44:01] < Gr|m> aww...
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[04:44:13] <+DrDnar> But I'm no expert
[04:44:44] < Gr|m> I see.... Well, goodnight then...
[04:44:57] <+DrDnar> night. . .
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[04:45:00] <+DrDnar> and good luck
[04:50:01] < Netham45> \o/ /ô\ (o( /o\
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[05:12:03] < BrandonW> What'd I miss?!
[05:13:18] < BrandonW> What's this about some sort of GBA<->calc link?
[05:14:04] < BrandonW> Nonsense, can't be done in BASIC.
[05:14:06] < BrandonW> Maybe not even at all.
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[05:15:44] < BrandonW> Of course not _impossible_, but probably not without lots of external hardware.
[05:16:07] < BrandonW> Not worth it.
[05:16:08] < DarkAuron> "I once got a spam email entitled 'SIX STEPS TO A GREAT CAREER.' I was really disappointed when it wasn't an ad for revolvers. "
[05:16:16] < BrandonW> Using the crystal timers, you could probably create a simple IR link.
[05:16:27] < BrandonW> But that won't work on the 83 and 83+, obviously.
[05:17:33] < BrandonW> Actually, you might be able to pull it off otherwise, but IR protocol's not my specialty.
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[05:30:44] < BrandonW> It'd be horribly slow, I think, if you went without timers.
[05:30:53] < BrandonW> But it's better than nothing.
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[05:35:13] < BrandonW> Who wants to buy a 73-turned-83+?
[05:35:25] < BrandonW> Could be good on tests with stupid teachers...
[05:35:29] < BrandonW> Or just to confuse people.
[05:35:46] < BrandonW> You could put the 86 OS on there with Emu8x.
[05:35:51] < BrandonW> Or at least I think so.
[05:35:57] < millinao> the sad truth is that it is useless
[05:35:57] < BrandonW> I don't know how much space that takes up.
[05:36:27] < BrandonW> The power of the 86 in a middle school class...have the advantage over your 73 friends...
[05:36:31] < BrandonW> It's useful for someone!
[05:37:04] < millinao> Are there any things on tests that doesn't allow the 86 OS?
[05:37:17] < BrandonW> Not really.
[05:37:32] < BrandonW> But if you were in a middle school class where only 73s were allowed, it would be good.
[05:38:05] < millinao> Middle school classes don't give a shit what calculator you have
[05:38:24] < BrandonW> There has to be a middle school somewhere that cares, because that's what the 73 was designed for.
[05:40:41] < Netham45> http://gizmodo.com/358648/leaked-riaa-training-video-for-prosecuters-find-pirates--find-crack+dealing-terrorist-murderers-too
[05:41:13] < Nikky> old
[05:41:35] < millinao> dunno, maybe it has to do with the state requirements
[05:41:49] < millinao> maybe in the tests of some states it dictates what calculators you can use
[05:44:18] < BrandonW> I see nothing wrong with that video.
[05:44:24] < BrandonW> You pirates are just taking it out of context.
[05:44:46] < BrandonW> Anti-RIAA propaganda.
[05:45:03] < BrandonW> Which I'm not surprised at all to see you spread.
[05:45:17] < millinao> wtf, when I open up my bluetooth software explorer.exe crashes
[05:45:24] < BrandonW> Sounds about right.
[05:45:28] < millinao> that is very fail
[05:45:28] < BrandonW> Why does all Bluetooth software suck?
[05:47:48] < BrandonW> Because it does.
[05:48:23] < millinao> and it runs a daemon that takes up around 20 MB of ram
[05:48:35] < millinao> which is also fail
[05:49:27] < Spengo> go piracy! down with the RIAA!
[05:49:44] < Spengo> they don't like me my downloading stuff therefore they are evil! :O
[05:50:46] < millinao> They are the opposite of my ideas, therefore they are evil!
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[05:51:11] <@efneTI86> [Sir_Lewk] THE SPOON IS A LIE!!!
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[05:51:29] < Spengo> besides if we go about yelling about the freedom of information etc. we can pirate stuff and feel good about it
[05:52:20] < Nikky> pirates
[05:52:26] < Nikky> I hope you're all sued
[05:52:50] < Spengo> me too 'cause I would sue 'em back :O
[05:52:59] < Nikky> For what?
[05:53:06] < Nikky> Protecting their IP?
[05:53:27] < Spengo> I dunno :) but I'll find something
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[07:15:48] <+bsparks> !t Meet the #tcpaRTANS | http://tcpa.calcg.org | bsparks wants to trade Custom Firmware PSP w/Broken UMD Drive +4gb +1gb Mem sticks for iPod Video
[07:15:48] -!- efneTI86 changed the topic of #tcpa to: Meet the #tcpaRTANS | http://tcpa.calcg.org | bsparks wants to trade Custom Firmware PSP w/Broken UMD Drive +4gb +1gb Mem sticks for iPod Video
[07:16:03] < BrandonW> How about an iPod Touch?
[07:16:18] <+bsparks> uhh... for serious?
[07:16:24] < BrandonW> Yes.
[07:16:29] <+bsparks> does it work?
[07:16:36] < BrandonW> Yes.
[07:16:43] <+ports-> is the psp fixable?
[07:16:50] <+bsparks> ports-, well, yes and no
[07:16:54] < BrandonW> UMD drive is useless.
[07:16:58] < BrandonW> No need for it.
[07:17:10] < BrandonW> As far as I'm concerned, it's a perfectly functional PSP.
[07:17:13] <+ports-> dont psp games come on umd?
[07:17:20] < BrandonW> Yeah, but you can store them on the memory stick.
[07:17:27] <+bsparks> ports-, Sony wants $160 to replace a spring for a sensor that tells the drive that the laser has reached the spindle
[07:17:36] <+bsparks> BrandonW, thus the 4gb stick :D
[07:17:45] <+ports-> how do i get the game from umd onto the MS?
[07:17:55] <+bsparks> ports-, awesomeness?
[07:18:00] <+bsparks> or be like me and BrandonW 
[07:18:02] <+DrDnar> ISO+Internet?
[07:18:13] < BrandonW> Since you have no working UMD drive to rip them, yes, internet.
[07:18:20] <+ports-> oh
[07:18:21] <+bsparks> DrDnar, I used to rip them on the drive :)
[07:18:47] <+ports-> bsparks, cant you fix the spring yourself?
[07:18:51] <+DrDnar> bsparks: it sounds like the sensor switch is broken
[07:18:58] <+DrDnar> can't you just replace it?
[07:19:03] <+bsparks> no
[07:19:18] <+bsparks> BrandonW, oh, and the psp comes with a logitech case that has 2 little holes for the Hold/Power lights and a slot for the 2nd mem stick
[07:19:40] <+bsparks> DrDnar, I do NOT want to open up the psp and muck with the umd drive
[07:19:56] < BrandonW> I'm sure you could buy one for less than $160.
[07:19:57] <+DrDnar> that's understandable
[07:20:06] <+bsparks> BrandonW, exactly
[07:20:26] <+ports-> a sensor switch is probably $2-5
[07:20:28] <+bsparks> oh, and it is a fat psp, so it can do 1.50 kernel
[07:20:38] <+bsparks> well, TA082 
[07:20:40] < Spengo> THIS TASTE
[07:20:43] < Spengo> it is of spy! :O
[07:20:46] < Spengo> sappin' mah sentry!
[07:21:05] < BrandonW> That's the sucky new one.
[07:21:09] < BrandonW> The original was TA-079.
[07:21:12] <+bsparks> BrandonW, how new is the iPod may I ask, not that it matters :)
[07:21:16] < BrandonW> Although it's not much of an issue these days.
[07:21:30] < BrandonW> It's pretty new...scratched all to hell on the bottom side, but the display side is pristine.
[07:21:30] <+bsparks> BrandonW, I know, I got 1.50 to work on it, so should you
[07:21:36] <+bsparks> eh, cool
[07:21:48] <+bsparks> iPod Touch == PSP imo anyway
[07:22:01] <+bsparks> well, still cannot run Phase, but...
[07:22:03] <+ports-> bsparks, would you be interested in buying a 30gb ipod video?
[07:22:15] < blitter> mmm, phase
[07:22:19] <+bsparks> ports-, not outright buying no, trading, yes
[07:22:22] < BrandonW> Trade him for that PSP.
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[07:22:38] <+ports-> i dont have a use for a psp
[07:22:39] < BrandonW> 5GB worth of memory sticks and a PSP to play with.
[07:22:42] < BrandonW> Then sell it.
[07:22:43] <+bsparks> 30gb fits my entire 22gb music and video collection
[07:22:57] <+bsparks> ports-, trade it to BrandonW for an iPod Touch?
[07:23:14] <+ports-> my music collection i 46-47 gigs
[07:23:24] <+bsparks> hmm... damn BrandonW 
[07:23:30] <+ports-> i want to buy a 80gig
[07:23:37] <+bsparks> iPod Touch vs iPod Video 
[07:23:38] < BrandonW> You people are crazy.
[07:23:42] < BrandonW> My music collection is less than 2GB.
[07:23:57] <+ports-> i get discographies
[07:24:01] <+bsparks> BrandonW, mine includes the entire H2G2 radio show and all the audiobooks
[07:24:05] <+ports-> if i like a band. ill get all 2-10 of their cds
[07:24:08] <+bsparks> that there is 4gb
[07:24:22] <+ports-> and i have several gigs of comedy cds. like Lewis Black and George Carlin
[07:24:45] <+bsparks> MITCH HEDBERG
[07:25:03] <+ports-> i dont have his cd
[07:25:18] <+bsparks> s
[07:25:20] <+bsparks> 2
[07:25:27] <+bsparks> BrandonW, how big is the touch?
[07:25:33] < BrandonW> 8GB.
[07:25:52] <+ports-> BrandonW, why do you want to trade an ipod touch?
[07:25:58] < BrandonW> I don't, I'm not going to.
[07:26:03] <+bsparks> ?
[07:26:04] <+bsparks> :(
[07:26:34] < BrandonW> I'm starting to question its usefulness lately.
[07:26:37] < BrandonW> I intend to buy a smartphone.
[07:26:48] < Spengo> hey
[07:26:57] < Spengo> oh no millinao
[07:28:01] <+ports-> BrandonW, you should buy a nokia n75 for gsm
[07:28:09] < BrandonW> And why is that?
[07:28:28] <+ports-> symbian is really hack friendly
[07:28:40] <+ports-> ive got my phone running python
[07:28:47] < BrandonW> Python sucks.
[07:28:55] <+ports-> besides the point
[07:28:59] < BrandonW> I have my eye on the Verizon XV6800 because work will pay for it.
[07:29:07] <+ports-> oh
[07:29:17] <+ports-> i dont like cdma phones.
[07:29:23] <+ports-> the carriers lock them.
[07:29:38] <+ports-> the last 2 days ive been trying to set up some ringtones on my friends new LG Rumor on Sprint.
[07:30:06] <+ports-> it plays mp3s.. but wont use mp3 ringtones.. supposedly supports AAC ringtones, but wont play them.. i had to convert mp3s to m4a to make them work..
[07:30:12] < BrandonW> Ringtones are stupid.
[07:30:23] <+ports-> and i couldnt send them via bluetooth.. i had to send them to the web and download them on there
[07:30:42] <+ports-> whereas. on my gsm phone, i just tossed some mp3s on there via bluetooth and they worked
[07:30:59] < BrandonW> And this is your reason for being against CDMA?
[07:31:06] <+ports-> i flashed my operating system to a non branded version.. and my phone still worked. becuse all my network settings were stored on my sim card.
[07:31:20] <+ports-> you cant do any OS upgrades/mods on cdma phones
[07:32:50] < BrandonW> I think I'll live.
[07:33:11] <+ports-> i figured with all the modding you do
[07:33:16] <+bsparks> ports-, how much did you wany for your ipod anyway?
[07:33:36] < BrandonW> Cell phone hacking scares me.
[07:33:46] <+ports-> bsparks, $150 shipped.. its in great condition
[07:33:55] <+bsparks> $150? =/
[07:33:59] <+ports-> BrandonW, oh.. ive been doing it for years
[07:34:08] < BrandonW> Things like free service?
[07:34:13] <+ports-> no
[07:34:19] <+ports-> 3rd party apps, so on..
[07:34:35] < BrandonW> I don't consider that hacking.
[07:35:25] < BrandonW> In fact, I try never to say hack.
[07:35:34] <+ports-> heh
[07:35:43] < Nikky> I have a VX10000
[07:35:53] < Nikky> because I love verizon too much
[07:36:28] < BrandonW> I didn't peg you for a blind Verizon follower.
[07:36:37] < Nikky> go figure
[07:37:09] <+ports-> lol
[07:37:21] <+ports-> BrandonW, you should check out the moto q9m, thats a nice device
[07:37:56] < Nikky> ports-: is sprint CDMA?
[07:38:04] <+ports-> sort of
[07:38:06] < Nikky> hm
[07:38:14] < Nikky> bitpim might work for that phone
[07:38:15] <+ports-> its cdma & iden.. but theyre trying to get rid of the nextel/iden
[07:38:39] <+ports-> Nikky, sort of.. you want to use bitpim for proprietary os'
[07:38:59] <+ports-> if the phone runs palm os, winmo, symbian theres better ways of working with it
[07:40:10] <+ports-> those all usually directly interface with windows bluetooth neighborhood
[07:40:20] < Nikky> too bad bluetooth sucks hard
[07:41:10] <+ports-> lol
[07:41:14] <+ports-> it works great for what i do with it
[07:41:31] <+ports-> i have my phone set up to auto sync with my computer whenever i walk into my house (within range)
[07:43:37] <+bsparks> oh, and the PSP has a charger too, lol
[07:43:45] <+bsparks> like, AC one :P
[07:44:01] <+ports-> nice
[07:44:27] < BrandonW> My PSP has 21GB worth of memory sticks, AC adapter, carrying case, and a UMD or two.
[07:44:32] < BrandonW> TA-079 running 3.90 M33.
[07:44:39] < BrandonW> With 1.50 kernel addon.
[07:44:48] <+bsparks> but you aren'
[07:44:57] <+bsparks> but you aren't trying to get an iPod with yours =/
[07:45:07] < BrandonW> Because I already have one!
[07:45:21] <+bsparks> I want one =\
[07:47:00] <+bsparks> you need moar psp
[07:48:16] < BrandonW> I need more?
[07:48:22] < Nikky> moar
[07:48:23] < Nikky> yes
[07:48:43] <+bsparks> more psps
[07:49:31] < BrandonW> One's enough.
[07:49:41] < BrandonW> Almost got a Slim, though.
[07:49:59] <+bsparks> you sure?
[07:50:04] < Nikky> moar
[07:50:05] <+bsparks> I'll throw in...
[07:50:07] <+bsparks> uhh...
[07:50:19] <+bsparks> idk, anything you're after in particular?
[07:50:24] < Nikky> porn
[07:50:37] <+bsparks> ram?
[07:50:40] < BrandonW> Is yours a Slim?
[07:50:41] <+bsparks> hdds>
[07:50:43] <+bsparks> no
[07:50:53] < BrandonW> Not really then.
[07:50:59]  * Nikky licks BrandonW 
[07:51:07] <+bsparks> you sure? :(
[07:51:11]  * BrandonW kicks Nikky
[07:51:25] < BrandonW> I don't know anyone who would want one either.
[07:51:29] <+ports-> im off to bed
[07:51:33] <+ports-> later folks
[07:51:33] < Nikky> see ya
[07:51:48] < BrandonW> How about you just sell me the 4GB and 1GB sticks?
[07:51:54] < BrandonW> That gets you closer.
[07:52:03] <+bsparks> not really
[07:52:20] <+bsparks> how much you want to pay for the sticks?
[07:52:21] <+ports-> BW he'll do it for $65
[07:52:31] <+bsparks> ports-, shaddap!
[07:52:53] <+bsparks> I want to know what BrandonW wants to pay for it
[07:52:56] <+bsparks> err, them
[07:53:02] <+ports-> 65 for the 4gb
[07:53:08] < glk> The going prive for a flash memory in Tulsa is $7 a gig
[07:53:15] <+bsparks> ...
[07:53:23] <+ports-> liar
[07:53:28] <+bsparks> glk, this is sony propritaery flash memory
[07:53:33] <+bsparks> and I can't spell
[07:54:00] <+ports-> what is it
[07:54:04] <+ports-> MS pro, ms duo, ?
[07:54:10] <+bsparks> MS Pro Duo
[07:54:49] < BrandonW> 21GB is enough, I'm not going to buy more.
[07:54:57] <+bsparks> ...
[07:55:11] <+ports-> bw you expressed interest
[07:55:18] <+ports-> name your price
[07:55:46] < BrandonW> I have no interest in buying anything.
[07:55:53] < BrandonW> I'm just screwing with you guys.
[07:56:03]  * BrandonW waits for insults
[07:56:25] <+bsparks> can't say I didn't think he was
[07:56:29] <+ports-> bsparks, i was right, you owe me $5
[07:56:50] <+ports-> i accept paypal
[07:56:52] < glk> How long does flash memory hold its data? Years?
[07:56:57] <+bsparks> ports-, no, you said he would take a dump in his sink
[07:57:02] < BrandonW> FOREVAR
[07:57:16] <+ports-> bsparks, i said he'd shit on you
[07:57:25] <+bsparks> lies
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[08:01:45] <+bsparks> oh, I also has ps2 I might be willing to part with, or dreamcast
[08:59:15] < aardvarq> Grr.
[08:59:33] < aardvarq> I need to upload a podcast but I don't have an itunes account and I don't wanna give them a credit card.
[09:07:49] < Nikky> apple sucks
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[10:32:33] <@efneTI86> [Leofox] All we do in hell is play DDR!
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[11:02:29] <@efneTI86> [Merth] Heat, time, and pressure; the things needed to make diamonds also make waffles.
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[11:28:19] <@efneTI86> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[11:34:20] <+DSP_Lord> THIS
[11:34:21] <+DSP_Lord> IS
[11:34:25] <+DSP_Lord> #TCPA
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[11:34:35]  * DSP_Lord disappears
[11:45:15] <@E-J> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z28STzFIFBU
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[13:15:27] < i_c-Y> apparantly bsparks hasnt heard of craigslist.
[13:17:36] <+bsparks> i_c-Y, everyone on craigslist is all "Custom Firmware?Huh?" or "Pay to fix the umd drive and it's a deal! lololol"
[13:18:48] <+bsparks> so I figured people here might stand a chance of being more inclined to realizing that with a custom firmware, you don't need the UMD drive, and otherwise it is a nice PSP, just useless kinda to me
[13:20:38] < BrandonW> craigslist is stupid.
[13:21:21] <+bsparks> craigslist does not offer fake iPods my friend
[13:22:46] < BrandonW> Who does?
[13:23:53] <@benryves> Hm, methinks PayPal has a case of the crazies. :\
[13:24:40] <@benryves> (It just set my university address - unused in over two years - as my home address, and thanked me for making my "first payment").
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[13:25:04] < BrandonW> I would be concerned about that.
[13:26:38] < BrandonW> It would appear I bought something twice on eBay.
[13:26:44] < BrandonW> It was only $4 including shipping, but still.
[13:27:14] <@benryves> BrandonW: I had over £100 removed from my PayPal account once, thankfully they replaced it instantly. :)
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[13:28:53] < BrandonW> http://cgi.ebay.com/Virtual-TI-83-PLUS-GRAPHIC-CALCULATOR_W0QQitemZ110227406355QQihZ001QQcategoryZ41391QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ...
[13:30:14] < BrandonW> http://cgi.ebay.com/Texas-Instruments-TI-83-plus-Graphic-Calculator_W0QQitemZ250218199006QQihZ015QQcategoryZ41391QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem This is not a Plus, and absurdly high either way.
[13:31:20] <@benryves> BrandonW: Thank goodness browsers have zoom features.
[13:31:48] < BrandonW> You don't need a zoom feature to see that.
[13:31:51] < BrandonW> It's glaringly obvious.
[13:31:56] < BrandonW> Look at the number keys.
[13:32:01] < BrandonW> The feel of the buttons.
[13:32:11] < BrandonW> Anyone who has seen both can tell the difference.
[13:32:19] <@benryves> BrandonW: I was more referring to the font size of the first link. :)
[13:32:20] < BrandonW> And I just contacted him to tell him that.
[13:33:34] < BrandonW> Why would you need zoom features to read that gigantic text?
[13:33:50] <@benryves> BrandonW: Zoom *out*.
[13:34:03] < BrandonW> That is the fourth time you have highlighted me with no one else talking.
[13:34:31] <@benryves> Force of habit. :\
[13:40:48] < BrandonW> I can't believe that people sell VTI ROMs on eBay.
[13:41:09] < BrandonW> You can download the 83+ SDK and flash debugger for free and it works better than VTI.
[13:41:18] < BrandonW> You also get the 83+SE and 73 in that deal.
[13:42:20] <@benryves> As long as there are stupid people out there, slightly more intelligent people will be out there making money out of them.
[13:52:13] < BrandonW> http://www.smallrobot.com/scimath.html Part of me actually wants to try it now.
[13:53:20] < BrandonW> If I were to get a USB IrDA adapter to work on the 84+/SE, we could remote control the robot using any IR remote.
[13:55:16] <@benryves> Do IrDA adapters let you drop to low-level communications?
[13:55:40] < BrandonW> Yes.
[13:55:44] < BrandonW> The only concern is the amount of power they consume.
[13:55:51] < BrandonW> They sell some that suck it up, and others use very little.
[13:56:03] < BrandonW> I ordered several online.
[13:56:07] < BrandonW> When they get here, I'll give it a shot.
[13:56:16] < BrandonW> I know for a fact TI themselves have done it.
[13:56:21] < BrandonW> So it's surely possible.
[13:56:26] <@benryves> Ah, cool. :)
[13:57:35] < BrandonW> They use their 84+SE as a remote in their break room.
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[13:59:15] <@benryves> Nice. :) I use my regular 83+ as a universal remote, but the hardware isn't as slick :\
[14:00:48] < BrandonW> http://cgi.ebay.com/Virgin-Mary-pretzel-crew-Ministers-Network-com_W0QQitemZ170196221050QQihZ007QQcategoryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Not every day you see a starting bid of $1.6 million.
[14:01:34] <@benryves> Least of all for a domain name. :\
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[14:13:56] < BrandonW> http://cgi.ebay.com/CJOB-ORG-Great-Domain-Name-VERY-HOT-VERY-RARE-4-LETTER_W0QQitemZ270212716304QQihZ017QQcategoryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[14:14:09] < BrandonW> Yours for only $20 million!
[14:15:20] <@benryves> Madness. :|
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[14:20:40] < bsparks> rawr
[14:21:05] <@benryves> wb bsparks
[14:21:09] < bsparks> ty
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[15:17:46] <@E-J> via epia + flash hd + wlan card = good way to irc
[15:19:16] <@E-J> (and via epia is 17cm * 17cm motherboard)
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[15:45:47] <@efneTI86> [Spengo] If at first you don't succeed, you fail.
[16:10:14] < mokomull> morning.
[16:10:34] <@benryves> 'lo mokomull
[16:11:32] < bsparks> 'lo benryves, mokomull 
[16:18:37] < Barrett> bsparks
[16:18:47] < bsparks> Barrett
[16:18:52] < Barrett> your site is cdi.calcgames.org, right?
[16:19:08] < bsparks> yes, why?
[16:19:31] < Barrett> we're in the process of moving to a new server, and i just wanted to coordinate that with you
[16:19:38] < Barrett> do you have any mysql databases that you use?
[16:19:56] < bsparks> not that I know o.o;
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[16:29:03] < bsparks> I want a odu
[16:29:05] < bsparks> *Modu
[16:29:23] < mokomull> Modu?
[16:29:34] < bsparks> Modu Modular Mobile phone
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[16:45:28] <@efneTI86> [rivereye] Is it time to go fishing?
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[16:51:16] < mokomull> ~.
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[17:24:19] < Tahben> Morning folsk
[17:24:48] <@benryves> 'lo Tahben
[17:25:04] < Tahben> hey benryves 
[17:25:47] <@benryves> How's it going? :)
[17:25:52] < bsparks> mornin Tahben'
[17:26:17] < Tahben> would be better if I HAD A CAR
[17:26:21] < Tahben> hi bsparks 
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[17:46:57] < i_c-Y> Tahben: maybe you shouldnt have bought a prius
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[17:49:29] < Tahben> there was a reason for the purchase. one I won't go in to, but...lets just say there was  areason.
[17:50:24] < i_c-Y> well
[17:50:26] < i_c-Y> if you're white
[17:50:29] < i_c-Y> its self explanatory
[17:50:34] < i_c-Y> according to stuffwhitepeoplelike.org
[17:50:49] < Tahben> we like prii?
[17:51:00] < i_c-Y> yep
[17:51:50] < Tahben> oh
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[17:57:37] < bsparks> BrandonW, buy a headphone adapter for the Razr and make it work on the 84+ :)
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[18:02:32] <@efneTI86> [rivereye[] Is it time to go fishing?
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[18:30:37] <@efneTI86> [bsparks] Look! It's Captain Sarcasm, Master of the Universe!
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[19:03:40] < chronomex> eep
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[19:08:39] < chronomex> wb blitter...
[19:08:46] < chronomex> might want to get a better connection :P
[19:12:48] < i_c-Y> you're dropping more than DSP_Lord 
[19:13:12] < chronomex> try pinging him
[19:13:25] < chronomex> I'm still waiting, four minutes later
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[19:30:16] < i_c-Y> * Ping reply from DSP_Lord: 0.70 second(s)
[19:30:21] < i_c-Y> suck it , chronomex :)
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[20:29:12] < [r00723r0> Hi, I'm having issues with my TI89 Titanium. I installed a bum program (it is called ISL) and my calculator is now frozen. I don't know how to reset it or quit the program.
[20:29:33] < Andy_J> you have have a black bar with words in it at the top?
[20:29:39] < i_c-Y> hold on and )
[20:29:42] < [r00723r0> Illegal Instruction.
[20:29:45] < i_c-Y> and pull out batteries put em back in
[20:29:49] < Andy_J> 2nd+left+right+on
[20:29:54] < Andy_J> all at once
[20:29:57] < Andy_J> on must be last
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[20:30:11] < [r00723r0> Andy_J, thank you :)
[20:30:14]  * Andy_J pokes efneTI86 
[20:30:18] < [r00723r0> i_c-Y would this also work?
[20:30:25] < Andy_J> [r00723r0: go get hw3patch and install it, then ISL should work
[20:30:42] < Andy_J> might also need ghostbuster
[20:30:46] < i_c-Y> Andy_J: or use preos.
[20:30:50] < Andy_J> it's been a while since I've messed with my 89
[20:30:50] < [r00723r0> Aye, thanks :)
[20:30:51] < Andy_J> pfft
[20:30:55] < Andy_J> you don't need a bloody shell
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[20:40:55] <@Andy_J> god dammit time capsule STILL isn't shipping
[20:45:44] < i_c-Y> lol mac
[20:47:48] <@Andy_J> lol cheap .11n access point and NAS
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[21:12:20] < Randomist> If you could live with someone -- either real or fictional -- for a year, who would it be, and why?
[21:12:52] < [r00723r0> God.
[21:21:24] < Tahben> alan rickman. the sex.
[21:23:06] < DarkAuron> ew
[21:23:38] < DarkAuron> are you one of those snape fangirls?
[21:23:54] < Tahben> oh hell no
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[21:24:34] < DarkAuron> lol
[21:25:14] < [r00723r0> What does "no PPG file" mean?
[21:26:31] < [r00723r0> I'm getting lots of PPG-related errors.
[21:27:53]  * Randomist Googles it and finds nothing but some source code from TIGCC (www.19pouces.net/get.php?page=a11b15c1d0e0&folder=/ppglib&file=ppglib.c).
[21:28:01] < chronomex> haha
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[21:29:19] < [r00723r0> It's some sort of compressed program.
[21:30:53] < chronomex> yeah
[21:31:02] < chronomex> what are you doing exactly?
[21:31:11] < [r00723r0> http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~pad/faq/ti89.html#25
[21:31:16] < [r00723r0> Trying to run ballrace and queue.
[21:31:28] < chronomex> what TIOS version?
[21:31:33] < [r00723r0> 3.01 AFAIK.
[21:31:48] < chronomex> ok
[21:31:53] < [r00723r0> Yep, 3.01 10/07/2004.
[21:31:56] < chronomex> you want to install the SuperStart app
[21:32:09] < [r00723r0> Have it.
[21:32:13] < chronomex> installed?
[21:32:17] < [r00723r0> Yes.
[21:32:24] < chronomex> ok
[21:32:26] < [r00723r0> Super start is on.
[21:32:37] < chronomex> go into varlink and find your program
[21:32:43] < [r00723r0> Varlink?
[21:32:44] < [r00723r0> Eh?
[21:32:45] < chronomex> press enter to get its name onto the home screen
[21:32:51] < chronomex> [2nd]-[-]
[21:32:54] < chronomex> iirc
[21:33:04] < [r00723r0> Oh. Never even saw this.
[21:33:05] < chronomex> var-link, you know?
[21:33:14] < [r00723r0> Wow.
[21:33:18] < [r00723r0> There's a MEM tab too.
[21:33:21] < DarkAuron> indeed.
[21:33:22] < chronomex> .....
[21:33:26] < DarkAuron> you have much to learn :)
[21:33:32] < [r00723r0> I thought this was all left behind since TI84+.
[21:33:35] < DarkAuron> nope
[21:33:43] < chronomex> what, memory and file mgmt?
[21:33:43] < [r00723r0> Thought it was just managed by the computer.
[21:33:44] < chronomex> lol
[21:33:46] < [r00723r0> Yes.
[21:33:55] < chronomex> lololol no, we wouldn't stand for that
[21:34:03] < [r00723r0> I see :)
[21:34:09] < DarkAuron> we'd march up to TI with torches and pitchforks
[21:34:18]  * chronomex nods
[21:34:33] < [r00723r0> Good shit.
[21:34:47] < [r00723r0> I see all my programs along with the preinstalled ones.
[21:34:53] < DarkAuron> good
[21:35:07] < chronomex> go to the one you installed and want to run, k?
[21:35:14] < [r00723r0> Along with some ramsey contact.
[21:35:17] < [r00723r0> Alright.
[21:35:23] < chronomex> press enter, so it'll be on the homescreen
[21:35:30] < chronomex> as something like   folder\game
[21:35:47] < chronomex> but you have to be on the homescreen before going into varlink, btw
[21:35:47] < [r00723r0> Nope.
[21:35:59] < chronomex> almost forgot that ... apps desktop sucks
[21:36:08] < chronomex> I always turn it off :)
[21:36:10] < [r00723r0> Just turns out as "ballrace(".
[21:36:18] < [r00723r0> Press enter, get the same error.
[21:36:22] < chronomex> ok...
[21:36:34] < chronomex> do you have a file with extension 'ppg' in varlink?
[21:36:39] < chronomex> exten / type
[21:36:40] < [r00723r0> Thank you for being so very patient with me, by the way.
[21:36:46] < chronomex> no worries
[21:36:52] < [r00723r0> No, sir.
[21:37:03] < chronomex> ok well lemme see
[21:37:11] < chronomex> my calc is out of my hands atm, so ...
[21:37:30] < [r00723r0> You are all on TI89s?
[21:37:41] < chronomex> I have two, both not with me :\
[21:37:54] < [r00723r0> No wonder they're so expensive. The programmers bought them all.
[21:37:57] < chronomex> haha
[21:38:21] < chronomex> so in varlink there's another tab, labelled something like flashapps?
[21:38:36] < [r00723r0> I'm there.
[21:38:40] < chronomex> superstart has an entry there, and it I think has a couple functions
[21:38:51] < chronomex> one of them is something like "run" or "start"
[21:38:54] < chronomex> use that
[21:39:01] < chronomex> it'll go to the homescreen
[21:39:07] < chronomex> you get something like:
[21:39:09] < [r00723r0> You mean sstart(), the super start type thing.
[21:39:13] < chronomex> superstart.sstart(
[21:39:13] < chronomex> yes
[21:39:21] < chronomex> then you want to type a "
[21:39:23] < chronomex> to get 
[21:39:26] < chronomex> superstart.sstart("
[21:39:33] < [r00723r0> Haha.
[21:39:34] < chronomex> then go into varlink again and get your game
[21:39:43] < chronomex> superstart.sstart("ballrace(")
[21:39:48] < chronomex> press enter
[21:39:55] < chronomex> that _should_ work
[21:39:56] < [r00723r0> Same thing.
[21:40:00] < [r00723r0> PPG error.
[21:40:02] < chronomex> eyah
[21:40:06] < chronomex> what exactly does it say?
[21:40:16] < [r00723r0> Missing extension 'ppg'.
[21:40:20] < [r00723r0> I love how verbose it is.
[21:40:28] < chronomex> where'd you get this game?
[21:40:34] < chronomex> link please
[21:40:36] < [r00723r0> ticalc.org
[21:40:44] < chronomex> link please
[21:40:53] < chronomex> there's .. .lots of stuff there :)
[21:40:57] < [r00723r0> http://www.ticalc.org/pub/89/asm/games/ballrace.zip and http://www.ticalc.org/pub/89/asm/games/queue.zip
[21:41:08] < chronomex> no ugh
[21:41:12] < chronomex> link to the file pages?
[21:41:23] < [r00723r0> File.. pages?
[21:41:26] < chronomex> people _always_ do that!
[21:41:42] < chronomex> you download it from a page with description and screenshots, yes?
[21:41:45] < chronomex> what pages are those?
[21:42:25] < [r00723r0> http://www.ticalc.org/pub/89/asm/games/rate.html
[21:42:31] < [r00723r0> That's where I got the zip file from.
[21:43:09] < DarkAuron> he's asking for this: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/193/19336.html
[21:43:11] < chronomex> wow, you really _are_ new here :)
[21:43:16] < [r00723r0> Yep.
[21:43:19] < [r00723r0> My apologies.
[21:43:22] < DarkAuron> and this: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/142/14220.html
[21:43:28] < chronomex> thx DA, I was already there :)
[21:43:33] < DarkAuron> yw
[21:43:36] < [r00723r0> This is much better than other EFnet channels.
[21:43:46] < chronomex> hahaha
[21:43:47] < [r00723r0> You guys don't bitch out someone who doesn't know what others know.
[21:43:50] < DarkAuron> if you click the paper icon next to the name, it'll give a detailed page for the program
[21:43:56] < chronomex> I'm just in a good mood, that's all :)
[21:44:08] < DarkAuron> but if you just click the name it'll go straight to the zip file to download
[21:44:08] < [r00723r0> chronomex, I hope I don't do anything to change that.
[21:44:14] < chronomex> hahaha
[21:44:16] < chronomex> don't worry
[21:44:25] < chronomex> if I get angry I'll usually leave
[21:44:28] < chronomex> anyway
[21:44:47] < chronomex> you need to send the .89y file to your calc, did you?
[21:44:53] < [r00723r0> Yep.
[21:45:24] < chronomex> it should show up in varlink with the string   ppg   in one of the columns
[21:45:33] < chronomex> what folder and filename is that?
[21:45:37] < [r00723r0> Then I must not have sent it.
[21:45:42] < [r00723r0> Let me check again and try to resend.
[21:45:46] < chronomex> ok
[21:46:11] < chronomex> maybe it was overwritten by the launcher, which is a sign of a sucky programmer
[21:46:21] < chronomex> you don't actually need the .89z launcher 
[21:46:25] < Randomist> lol:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs4_XQvP2o4
[21:47:14] < [r00723r0> What the fuck is this.
[21:47:20] < chronomex> ?
[21:47:24] < [r00723r0> My calculator just shut off and I can't turn it on.
[21:47:37] < chronomex> more details plz
[21:47:41] < chronomex> *moar
[21:47:48] < [r00723r0> *plox
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[21:47:54] <@efneTI86> [Tari] Remember, remember the 5th of November
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[21:48:13] < chronomex> no...
[21:48:30] < chronomex> what were you doing when it died?
[21:48:37] < chronomex> how are the batteries?
[21:48:46] < [r00723r0> I just took them all out and will replace them.
[21:49:08] < [r00723r0> I was looking through the FlashApps list for some reason after I realized it had no type column.
[21:49:30] < chronomex> types are only in the variables page
[21:50:29] < [r00723r0> I know :)
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[21:51:37] < [r00723r0> Alright, back on.
[21:52:07] < chronomex> so you have a ppg file on the calc now?
[21:52:58] < [r00723r0> Eep.
[21:53:03] < [r00723r0> Running the wrong program. Silly me.
[21:54:07] < chronomex> does it work now?
[21:54:10] < chronomex> or what?
[21:54:27] < [r00723r0> Yes, but the game sucks :(
[21:54:36] < DarkAuron> lol
[21:54:40] < chronomex> hahaha
[21:54:52] < chronomex> but you learned something, yes?
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[21:55:34] < [r00723r0> chronomex, learned lots. Thank you very much.
[21:55:48] < chronomex> excellent, glad I could help
[21:55:56] < chronomex> and thanks for being cooperative
[21:56:09] < chronomex> some people ... aren't
[21:56:15] < [r00723r0> Really?
[21:56:21] < chronomex> yeah
[21:56:31] < chronomex> some people are idiots, too
[21:56:39] < chronomex> :)
[21:56:45] < [r00723r0> Why would people be uncooperative? You're helping them.
[21:57:27]  * chronomex shrugs
[21:57:38] < chronomex> cos they're idiots?
[21:57:48] <@Andy_J> what about sin idiots?
[21:58:12] < chronomex> haha nice try, Andy_J
[21:58:34] <@E-J> i would be more worried about tan idiots because they are children of those 2
[21:58:41] < chronomex> oooh
[21:58:43] <@Andy_J> Touche'.
[21:59:09] < [r00723r0> Wow.
[22:00:33] < DarkAuron> :P
[22:02:34] < Nikky> we are all uncooperative
[22:02:43] < chronomex> no, just the trolls
[22:02:51] < Nikky> Yes you are
[22:03:06]  * chronomex sighs
[22:03:09] < chronomex> no, I'm not
[22:03:54] < i_c-Y> yes you are 
[22:04:09] <@E-J> uncooperative strike
[22:04:09]  * chronomex hides
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[22:04:21] < i_c-Y> [r00723r0: dont listen to chronomex , for he is a gypsy!
[22:04:29] < chronomex> how would you know, i_c-Y?
[22:04:51] < i_c-Y> i heard from Nikky .
[22:05:07] < i_c-Y> you guys go to the same school because you put a gypsy curse on him
[22:05:08] < chronomex> oh.
[22:05:11] < chronomex> yeah, no.
[22:05:18] < Nikky> very true
[22:06:31] <+ports-> Nikky, hey... go to directdaniella.com
[22:06:49] < Nikky> okay
[22:06:55] < Nikky> oh, it's flash powered
[22:06:56] < Nikky> :(
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[22:06:59] <+ports-> it's taco bells new gimmic..
[22:07:06] <+ports-> runs a flash video of this model.. and you get to take creepy photos of her
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[22:07:18] < Nikky> haha, wut
[22:07:25] <+ports-> you cant run flash?
[22:08:31] < Nikky> wow, yeah
[22:08:33] < Nikky> that's scary
[22:08:37] <+ports-> yeah
[22:08:55] < Nikky> and weird
[22:09:05] <+ports-> i was confused. i had lunch at taco bell.. and i normally eat fire sauce.. but i noticed all the Hot sauce which are normally orange, were purple.. so i picked 1 up and it had that website address on it
[22:09:17] < Nikky> nice
[22:09:21] < Nikky> I was just at taco bell last week
[22:09:24] < Nikky> and they didn't have that
[22:09:27] < Nikky> -->class
[22:09:29] <+ports-> its on tacobell.com too.. its some new promotion
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[22:10:49] < DarkAuron> wtf that's creepy
[22:11:02] <+ports-> DarkAuron, i know!
[22:11:19] <@benryves> I guess the advertising works...
[22:11:47] < DarkAuron> that's so gross
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[22:21:17] < DarkAuron> ...
[22:26:43] <+ports-> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6349 - best firefox addon ever
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[22:27:25] < DarkAuron> neat
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[22:28:23] <@benryves> http://userjs.org/scripts/general/enhancements/bug-me-not <- UserScript version. ;)
[22:29:07] <+ports-> i like the firefox plugin..
[22:29:16] <+ports-> you just right click in the login bar and pick "Bug me not"
[22:29:20] < chronomex> awesome
[22:31:09] <+ports-> works great for when i log into forums
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[22:34:48] < DarkAuron> bsparks: your UMD drive died?
[22:35:14] <+ports-> DarkAuron, no.. theres a sensor that tells the laser it reached the middle... his stopped working.. just need to replace the sensor
[22:35:33] < DarkAuron> if he's got a custom firmware why would he need it?
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[22:41:09] < i_c-Y> DarkAuron: not everyone condones piracy >:(
[22:41:40] < chronomex> i_c-Y: ???
[22:42:26] < i_c-Y> DarkAuron> if he's got a custom firmware why would he need it?
[22:43:32] < chronomex> I don't see the piracy here
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[22:56:07] <+ports-> oh my god
[22:56:12] <+ports-> oh my god
[22:56:20] <+ports-> april 25th i cant wait!
[22:58:32] <@benryves> Why, ports-?
[22:59:18] <+ports-> Harold and Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay!
[22:59:28] <+ports-> i will be drunk off my ass in the theater that day
[22:59:30] <@benryves> ...
[23:00:42] <+ports-> Harold and Kumar Go To White Castle is one of my favorite movies
[23:02:09] <@benryves> Ah, that's "Harold & Kumar Get the Munchies" over here.
[23:02:14] <+ports-> right
[23:02:37] <+ports-> theres only like 2 or 3 movies ive seen in the theater twice.
[23:02:50] <+ports-> because they were that appealing to me.. like Juno & Batman Begins
[23:03:21] <@benryves> Fair enough. :)
[23:03:39] <+ports-> i saw the first harold and kumar 4 times in the theater
[23:03:49] <@benryves> Batman Begins is the only film I've seen in the cinema twice, as it would happen (not intentionally, though).
[23:04:23] <+ports-> i might be taking a $300 flight to watch the next H&K movie
[23:04:31] <@benryves> ..!
[23:05:05] <+ports-> my best friend lives 13 hours away. she and i saw the first one together and we love it.
[23:05:16] <+ports-> so im probably going to fly out to see her for the weekend, and see the movie
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[23:07:24] <@benryves> Heh
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[23:47:53] < ticalc_nu> Hey
[23:48:02] < ticalc_nu> I'm looking to create the "anti-teacher" calculator
[23:48:10] < ticalc_nu> so will I need to downgrade to os v2.30
[23:48:14] < ticalc_nu> so the teacherblock wont work
[23:48:23] <@benryves> Why would you want to do that, ticalc_nu?
[23:48:33] < ticalc_nu> well
[23:48:38] < ticalc_nu> some kids are abusing the lock
[23:48:43] < ticalc_nu> and I dont know how to do it
[23:48:56] < ticalc_nu> but I don't want my calc. to be affected
[23:49:00] < ticalc_nu> so what will I need to do
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[23:49:47] <@benryves> How do you mean, abusing the lock? :|
[23:50:01] < ticalc_nu> They lock my calc
[23:50:04] < ticalc_nu> Like, is there a program out there that blocks TestGuard 2 and the Press to Test or w/e thing that locks the calculator? What about a program that blocks harmful assembly programs?
[23:50:17] < ticalc_nu> Some kids will make an assembly prog called
[23:50:18] < ticalc_nu> C7
[23:50:22] < ticalc_nu> and it deletes everything
[23:50:52] < ticalc_nu> got any ideas?
[23:51:26] <+bsparks> <ot> benryves not only do I own me an iPod to play Phase, I bought a U-Force </ot>
[23:51:39] < ticalc_nu> I got this anti-test guard thing
[23:51:48] < ticalc_nu> but people still mess with my calc
[23:52:04] <@benryves> ticalc_nu: Not running these dodgy programs sounds like the best bet :\ I don't have one of those fancy calculators, though...
[23:52:21] < ticalc_nu> So if I downgrade it, they can't use the built-in lock function in os 2.40
[23:52:30] <@benryves> bsparks: Some sort of NES thing? :\
[23:52:31] < ticalc_nu> but they can still use that copy of TestGuard
[23:52:36] < MetalRand> What about Krolypto?
[23:52:48] <+bsparks> benryves, the worlds worst game controller
[23:53:02] <@benryves> bsparks: I thought that was the Wii? :P
[23:53:03] < ticalc_nu> that sounds good MetalRand
[23:53:18] < ticalc_nu> but like in Mirage if you use the block memory feature, if the RAM is cleared you can still delete stuff
[23:53:20] <+bsparks> benryves, that works, this never worked, ever ;)
[23:53:27] < ticalc_nu> does Krol. have that bug?
[23:53:58] <@benryves> bsparks: For some reason the advertisment makes me think I'd be playing games like a theremin.
[23:54:08] <+bsparks> :P
[23:54:17] < MetalRand> Unfortunately, yes, unless someone figures out a way to restore settings after RAM crashes automatically. [Looks at BrandonW.]
[23:54:25] < ticalc_nu> Well...
[23:54:32] < ticalc_nu> that won't help me much then
[23:54:47] < ticalc_nu> Will it block assembly. progs from being run?
[23:55:11] < ticalc_nu> What if someone can Modify the TI-OS to auto. restore RAM?
[23:55:13] < MetalRand> You can set it up to make it prompt for a password before going to the Apps menu.
[23:55:16] < ticalc_nu> is there a good custom OS out?
[23:55:17] < MetalRand> Or the Memory menu.
[23:55:43] < MetalRand> No.
[23:55:46] < ticalc_nu> Do you guys know of a way I can get ti os v2.30? I emailed ti-cares...they haven't gotten back to me
[23:56:19] < ticalc_nu> I'm really interested in this calculator programming stuff
[23:56:34] -!- MetalRand is now known as Randomist
[23:57:42] < ticalc_nu> hey
[23:57:46] < ticalc_nu> why do i need to run this
[23:57:50] < ticalc_nu> "KEYGEN"
[23:57:53] < ticalc_nu> file for krol.
[23:57:56] < ticalc_nu> sounds fishy
[23:58:02] < Randomist> You don't have to.
[23:58:09] < Randomist> That's only if you want to use the encryption.
[23:58:21] < ticalc_nu> ok
[23:58:22] < ticalc_nu> well
[23:58:25] < ticalc_nu> i dont really want that
[23:58:26] < ticalc_nu> do i/
[23:58:29] < ticalc_nu> what would that do
[23:58:42] < Randomist> It lets you Blowfish-encrypt programs.
[23:59:29] < ticalc_nu> hmm
[23:59:31] < ticalc_nu> so
[23:59:34] < Randomist> Dunno why anyone'd need that unless they had something private on their calc.
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