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00:51 < Tsukasa> Crash #....... 14? 15? >_<
01:09 <+KermM> lol
01:10 < Tsukasa> oh well, movie time
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01:35 <+BrandonW> To rename a variable, yes, you create a new empty VAT entry, swap the pointers, and delete the old one and the size bytes.
01:36 <+BrandonW> I know there's a BCALL to create a VAT entry directly without any size bytes, which would be better, but I can't figure out that crap.
01:36 <+BrandonW> It's in TI-Navigator somewhere.
01:36 <+BrandonW> It's like _CREATEPVAR3.
01:36 <+BrandonW> Whoever named these things was an idiot.
01:36 <@tifreak8x> or a clever genious?
01:36 <@tifreak8x> :P
01:37 <+BrandonW> The OS is very much a product of years and years of adding and hacking around.
01:37 <+BrandonW> It's a mess now.
01:37 <+BrandonW> It used to be a thing of beauty.
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01:39 <@tifreak8x> heh
01:39 <@tifreak8x> you mean pre 1.12?
01:47 <+BrandonW> I mean back with the TI-81.
01:48 <+BrandonW> At its core, it's the same thing.
01:48 <+BrandonW> Its real name is the Equation Operating System.
01:50 <@tifreak8x> ah
01:50 <+BrandonW> The monitor vectors and all that...
01:50 <+BrandonW> It's the perfect way to implement everything.
01:51 <+BrandonW> And that's what a replacement OS should do.
01:51 <@tifreak8x> Well, the calcs sure have come a long way, however, they really should have rewritten the OS a bit for the 83+...
01:52 <+BrandonW> In what way?
01:53 <+BrandonW> What would you have them do differently?
01:56 <@tifreak8x> well
01:56 <@tifreak8x> From what you have said, there is a ton of redundant code
01:56 <@tifreak8x> and lots of things could be done in a far smaller fashion than what they are utilizing
02:02 <+BrandonW> So nothing, just cleanup.
02:04 <@tifreak8x> I think it would have been nice to be able to run programs from archive...
02:05 <@tifreak8x> but, I am sure that would have caused them some forms of problems they would not have wanted to address
02:06 <+BrandonW> Like rewriting the whole OS. There are assumptions all over the place about having a 16-bit address you can write to.
02:06 <+BrandonW> The archive breaks that completely.
02:07 <@tifreak8x> yeah, see? good reason to rewrite the OS :P
02:07 <+BrandonW> The 86, however, can support it completely because the RAM and the archive are sort of merged there.
02:09 <+BrandonW> I mean it supports the 24-bit address thing.
02:10 <+BrandonW> There are still assumptions to be made about being able to edit it.
02:10 <+BrandonW> There's really no smart way to do it.
02:10 <+BrandonW> Adding on a "read-only" block of memory you can move things into and out of, meaning the archive, was the best thing to do.
02:15 <@tifreak8x> ah
02:16 <+BrandonW> I hate people who try to write BASIC->assembly converters.
02:16 <+BrandonW> When will people ever learn?
02:17 <+BrandonW> It's a hard point to argue, you just have to let them try and fail.
02:17 <+BrandonW> Because they won't believe you.
02:19 <@tifreak8x> yeah
02:21 <+BrandonW> The BASIC parser is essentially a loop of pushing tokens to the operator stack and acting on them when encountering certain delimiters.
02:22 <+BrandonW> That code's extremely long and complicated, but in terms of what it actually executes on each iteration of the loop, it's an efficient machine.
02:22 <+BrandonW> Removing that element will not help.
02:22 <+BrandonW> And people don't get that.
02:25 <@tifreak8x> yeah
02:26 <+BrandonW> You can't just remove that element anyway, it's essential to parsing extremely long lines of BASIC.
02:26 <+BrandonW> How in the world would you convert it in the first place?
02:26 <+BrandonW> By duplicating that logic.
02:27 <@tifreak8x> yup
02:32 <+BrandonW> That's a feat in and of itself.
02:32 <+BrandonW> We can't even finish it oncalc.
02:32 <+BrandonW> And we have the OS to blindly rip from!
02:33 <@tifreak8x> lol
02:38 <@tifreak8x> Well, I am off early since there is no Atlantis tonight
02:38 <@tifreak8x> have a goodnight!
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02:50 <+BrandonW> I'm intrigued at how my DVR is smart and shortens TV show and movie titles to fit in the 30-minute box on the program guide.
02:50 <+BrandonW> Like it shortened "Deadliest" to "Deadly."
02:55  * Tsukasa has returned (return: back from watching Evan Almighty)
02:56 <+BrandonW> Saving the world one random act of kindness at a time, right?
02:56 < Tsukasa> Yeah
02:57 < Tsukasa> I like the Almighty movies. I kind of hope for a third one.
03:05 <+BrandonW> I need to come up with a viable way of testing this 73 OS patch.
03:12 <+BrandonW> I need to be able to write and test code that runs from a specific address and combine it in a 73U.
03:12 <+BrandonW> Or convert to a ROM and test it in an emulator.
03:13 <+BrandonW> And I have to dynamically build the new BCALL jump table for the boot page.
03:27 <+BrandonW> Quite the mess.
03:32 < TheStorm> Darn I missed the TI-OS discussion :(
03:33 <+BrandonW> I'm still around to discuss it!
03:33 < TheStorm> If you were to rewrite the OS I think Including the Vector stuff from the 85/86 would be cool
03:33 < TheStorm> Rather than haveing to use TI's crappy app to do vector math
03:33 < TheStorm> It has saved my but in physics many a time.
03:34 <+BrandonW> Making a functional, viable OS would be the real accomplishment.
03:34 <+BrandonW> I doubt anyone's ever going to get that deep into it.
03:34 < TheStorm> I really think the 86 is the best z80 calc in terms of fuctionality and design
03:35 < TheStorm> though the non-tokenized system is either good or bad depending on how you look at it
03:35 <+BrandonW> The 84+ and SEs can do everything it can plus extra timer/clock/USB hardware and the Flash.
03:35 <+BrandonW> So they are the best.
03:35 <+BrandonW> If we had the OS to put on it.
03:35 < TheStorm> Not quite.
03:35 <+BrandonW> Why's that?
03:36 < TheStorm> Well for one the 86 has Vectors and can natively do diff. equations.
03:36 <+BrandonW> I said "If we had the OS to put on it."
03:36 < TheStorm> ahh on
03:36 <+BrandonW> I don't care about what software it has.
03:36 < TheStorm> ok*
03:37 <+BrandonW> I'm talking hardware
03:37 <+BrandonW> Potential.
03:37 < TheStorm> true
03:37 < TheStorm> It also has a bit of a speed advantage
03:37 <+BrandonW> So in my eyes, the 84+SE is the best calculator to have.
03:37 <+BrandonW> z80-based.
03:37 < TheStorm> yeah
03:38 < TheStorm> though the 89 really doesn't have too much more to offer 
03:39 < TheStorm> did you finish your work on The USB8x stuff?
03:40 <+BrandonW> No, I've been really busy, and I'd like to do this 73->83+ thing.
03:40 <+BrandonW> I think it could make ticalc.org.
03:40 <+BrandonW> And be legal.
03:40 < TheStorm> ahh ok.
03:40 < TheStorm> Yeah if you finish it I'm so buying a 73 just because they're so cheap
03:41 < TheStorm> well Your modifing TI-os is that really legal?
03:42 <+BrandonW> It wouldn't be legal if I uploaded the 73 OS, but I'll do that on my own site. What I want to do is release a PC patch.
03:42 <+BrandonW> You give it an 8XU, it spits out a 73U. It's up to you to put it on your 73...somehow...
03:42 <+BrandonW> It's no different than having PongOS on there.
03:43 < TheStorm> ahh will you post a method of getting it on there?
03:43 <+BrandonW> It's just the battery trick.
03:43 < TheStorm> Is that posted somewhere?
03:43 <+BrandonW> Send it like normal, and when it says "Validating...", pull the battery. It's that simple.
03:43 <+BrandonW> Put it back in, and turn it on.
03:44 < TheStorm> ahh ok I've read about it but I could never remember what it was
03:45 <+BrandonW> I think the PongOS readme even has that in it.
03:46 < TheStorm> nice
03:46 <+BrandonW> It's always better to release a patch than an actual modification.
03:46 <+BrandonW> TI hates ROMs of any kind uploaded anywhere.
03:46 < TheStorm> I know tari's LifOS is pretty close to doing math and linking
03:46 < TheStorm> yeah
03:46 <+BrandonW> But if I have a small utility that you run, that's harmless.
03:46 <+BrandonW> So I think it'll be okay.
03:47 < TheStorm> yeah though they don't seem to care much anymore
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04:13 <+BrandonW> This is the weirdest patch I've ever done.
04:17 < TheStorm> why?
04:17 < TheStorm> and how many others have you done?
04:17 <+BrandonW> Dozens of oncalc ones.
04:18 <+BrandonW> You do know about IOHook, right?
04:18 < TheStorm> no
04:18 < TheStorm> wait now that you mention it I think I remeber something about it
04:20 <+BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/iohook.zip
04:20 <+BrandonW> Adding a link hook to the OS.
04:20 <+BrandonW> For logging and manipulation.
04:20 <+BrandonW> I did that in one night of no sleep.
04:20 < TheStorm> lol
04:21 <+BrandonW> http://rafb.net/p/JLCcgc51.html So here's my proposal.
04:21 <+BrandonW> Am I absolutely insane?
04:28 <+BrandonW> I can't believe I'm even attempting this.
04:29 < TheStorm> I mean it looks sound but I know very little about os patching
04:30 <+BrandonW> Come to think of it, I'm in the exact same situation now that I was in before with IOHook.
04:30 <+BrandonW> Up late, nothing to do for tomorrow so no need to sleep, energy drink, insane OS patch idea...
04:30 <+BrandonW> I hope it turns out like it did last time.
04:30 < TheStorm> LOL
04:33 <+BrandonW> I'm trying to think of the language to do this in.
04:34 < TheStorm> z80 asm :P
04:34 <+BrandonW> It has to be PC side.
04:34 <+BrandonW> It's disturbing when it's easier to write it in z80 than it is on the PC.
04:38 <+BrandonW> Although I will have to write calc-side component.
04:38 <+BrandonW> Proper cleanup after installing an invalid OS.
04:38 <+BrandonW> Something that unlocks Flash, marks it as valid, and writes validation data and a header to 7A:4000h and 7A:4100h.
04:39 <+BrandonW> write a*
04:40 <+BrandonW> Although I think the OS itself might mark it as valid if it can boot.
04:41 <+Nikky> I hear BrandonW sucks
04:41 <+BrandonW> Where'd you hear that, Omnimaga?
04:41 <+Nikky> Yes
04:43 <+BrandonW> Straws.
04:46 < TheStorm> does it really mark itself as vaild?
04:47 <+BrandonW> I think it does.
04:47 <+BrandonW> It's why, when you pull a battery after trying to install a bad OS, the boot code takes over.
04:47 <+BrandonW> But when you pull it normally, the OS boots again.
04:47 < TheStorm> lol nice
04:48 < TheStorm> Ok thats it I'mm installing pongOS on one of my 83+'s right now
04:49 < TheStorm> or wait do you have a better third party OS
04:49 < TheStorm> ot try that is
04:49 < TheStorm> How hard is it to get the 73 os on a 83?
04:49 < TheStorm> +*
04:49 <+BrandonW> Not right now.
04:50 <+BrandonW> It's a little involved.
04:50 <+BrandonW> You need to do some patching to it.
04:50 <+BrandonW> That's enough to get it to boot.
04:50 <+BrandonW> But to really be stable...that's what I'm working on.
04:50 <+BrandonW> I have a bootable one if you want to try it.
04:50 < TheStorm> ahh ok then PongOS it is, then maybe I'll get a recentbuild of LifOS from Tari
04:50 < TheStorm> sure
04:51 < TheStorm> let me grab my calcs
04:51 < TheStorm> I just realized I can't pull the batteries when it says validating if I can't read the screen 
04:51 < TheStorm> :(
04:52 < TheStorm> Well I'll jsut have to use one of the better ones then
04:53 <+BrandonW> It's a little hard to follow, but the only reference I can see to the OS validating itself is when you install a certificate revision.
04:53 <+BrandonW> The only obvious reference anyway.
04:53 <+BrandonW> You can pull the battery once the TI Connect OS sending window disappears.
04:53 <+BrandonW> It does that when validating.
04:53 <+BrandonW> If you're quick.
04:54 <+BrandonW> It's easier to do on the 73 and 83+ because they don't have MD5 hardware to speed up validation.
04:54 < TheStorm> YAYZ the screen turned on :)
04:55 < TheStorm> that means all three of these 83+'s re useable for a while
04:57 < TheStorm> gah my batts are too low :(
04:57 <+BrandonW> http://brandonw.net/calcstuff/73_1.19_83P.zip
04:57 < TheStorm> cool
04:59 < TheStorm> crap 3 sets of low batts :(
04:59 <+BrandonW> To make it boot, you have to change the boot code jump (it's hard-coded to go to the 83+ boot code address, which is different on the 73 boot code), and patch out any references to _SetFlashLowerBound, which doesn't exist in the 73 boot code. And if 1.13+, you have to patch the LCD delays to not wait on bit 1 of port 2, since that's permanently low on the 73 hardware.
04:59 <+BrandonW> The Flash execution protection will be all wonky, too. As in not working. So it doesn't matter.
05:00 < TheStorm> meh to much work
05:01 < TheStorm> I'll jsut try the one you sent and if it doesn't work oh well
05:03 < TheStorm> WTF the LCD has stoped accepting comands so I have clue weather it worked or not :(
05:03 < TheStorm> aka it still says "RE"
05:05 <+BrandonW> Pull the battery right after the TI Connect window goes away.
05:06 <+BrandonW> I'm not positive, but I think you might even be able to get away with pulling it while it says "ERROR!".
05:06 <+BrandonW> Meaning before it APDs.
05:07 < TheStorm> if the calc is off is it possible for the screen to say on?
05:08 < TheStorm> Can the cpu be in low powermode with the screen on?
05:09 <+BrandonW> Yes.
05:09 <+BrandonW> And the LCD will be garbage.
05:09 < TheStorm> nope it jsut says "RE"
05:10 <+BrandonW> In the upper left corner?
05:10 < TheStorm> yep
05:10 <+BrandonW> "RE" or "Re"?
05:10 < TheStorm> "Re"
05:10 <+BrandonW> I have no explanation. Your calculators suck and have unfixable hardware issues.
05:10 <+BrandonW> Save them for the casing and get some spare 73s.
05:11 < TheStorm> I pull every Battery. Then put the AAA's back in, press on, and that is what I see
05:11 <+Nikky> haha
05:15 < TheStorm> ok I got this one open now off to datamath to see which one it is
05:18 < TheStorm> Ha I have an unknown TI-83+ version
05:20 < TheStorm> though the PCB matched this one http://datamath.org/Graphing/JPEG_TI-83PLUS_S0402C.htm#PCB
05:21 < TheStorm> the actual date/maufature code is different
05:22 < TheStorm> ok so then it s a toshiba Display driver which is odd since those shouldn't behaving these issues
05:23 <+BrandonW> Why wouldn't it?
05:23 < TheStorm> I had thought is was the newer ones that had issues
05:26 < TheStorm> I guess not
05:27 < TheStorm> ok so thess two must be august 2002 models
05:28 < TheStorm> and the third is a dec 1999 one
05:30 < TheStorm> crap I lost one of the battery springs
05:31 < TheStorm> well I guess this calc is dead :P
05:31 <+Nikky> hahahahah
05:31 <+Nikky> fail
05:31 <+Nikky> hahahahah
05:31 <+Nikky> fail
05:31 < TheStorm> Nikky it was dead anyway
05:33 < TheStorm> i'll just solder a AA battey pack to it
05:34 < TheStorm> oh wait I'll give the case to tari since his has a whole from where he had a TICI HUB
05:37 < TheStorm> Hmm i wonder if I could put my 86 in an 83+ case...
05:38 < TheStorm> meh w/e
05:52 < TheStorm> well gnight all time for me to go to teh beds
05:59 < TheStorm> I idea BrandonW have calcporn.net redirect to datamath :P
05:59 < TheStorm> have an*
06:02 <+BrandonW> I don't have calcporn.net.
06:12 < TheStorm> I thought you did...
06:12 < TheStorm> didn't you have a url like that
06:13 <+BrandonW> http://www.calcporn.com/
06:13 < TheStorm> ok then have that redirect to datamath
06:14 < TheStorm> lol
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18:30 <+BrandonW> I'm having trouble thinking up a name for this 73->83+ thing.
18:30 <+BrandonW> Suggestions?
18:32 < Tari> 73283
18:32 < Tari> if you want to be cryptic
18:32 <+BrandonW> I don't.
18:32 <+BrandonW> I keep coming back to Free73, but that's taken. :(
18:32 < Tari> Free83+?
18:32 <+BrandonW> It doesn't rhyme and it's too similar to something it has nothing in common with.
18:35 <+BrandonW> I still like Pterodactyl. :(
18:35 <+BrandonW> Damn that Kirk Meyer...
18:35 <+BrandonW> I'll call it...
18:35 <+BrandonW> Chameleon!
18:35 < Tari> use synonyms for what it does?
18:35 < Tari> that works
18:37 < Storm|wrk> lol
18:38 < Storm|wrk> So does it work yet or are you just trying to think of a name now so you won't have to later
18:39 <+BrandonW> I have to think of a name so I can start the project.
18:40 <+BrandonW> Wrapping the boot code is not even close to being done.
18:40 <+BrandonW> Making a 73 boot the 83+ OS...yes, that works.
18:41 <+BrandonW> I have my doubts about having the space in the OS to re-implement the boot code, but I think I can come up with a generic wrapper that'll swap the 73 and 83+ RAM locations that the boot code relies on.
18:42 <+BrandonW> Which might make it a little slower.
18:42 <+BrandonW> But that's the price you pay.
18:42 <+BrandonW> It won't be unreasonably slow.
18:42 <+BrandonW> If it's even noticable, I'll rethink it.
18:43 < Storm|wrk> well I'd think so since who often does the os use the boot code stuff
18:43 < Storm|wrk> how*
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18:44 <+BrandonW> Very often, for some of them.
18:44 <+BrandonW> Like _LoadAIndPaged.
18:44 <+BrandonW> But that's easy to recreate.
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18:45 <@tifreak> Holy. Crap.
18:47 <@tifreak> In the last 160 days (I guess since I did the last member pruning) my forum has been hit with 1,910 spam bots
18:50 < Storm|wrk> wow thats a lot of them
18:54 <@tifreak> yeah
19:13 < Tsukasa> Wow... and I thought MY forum used to have a lot....
19:13 <@tifreak> I think my forum has been around a lot longer than yours :P
19:14 < Tsukasa> Well, of course, but still
19:14 < Tsukasa> If my spam bot cleaning duties were heck, I'd hate to be your shoes
19:14 < Tsukasa> *in your
19:14 <@tifreak> it is SO simple :D
19:14 < Tsukasa> o rly?
19:14 <@tifreak> Thanks to DJ_Omnimaga anyways, it is
19:15 <@tifreak> He set up an anti-spam mod on my forums
19:15 < Tsukasa> Is it that double-post-to-get-in thing?
19:15 <@tifreak> so it is a matter of selecting "Validating Members" and leaving the time joined as set to 365, and press Prune :D
19:15 <@tifreak> yeah
19:15 < Tsukasa> Ah
19:16 < Tsukasa> I eliminated the spambot issue months ago
19:16 < Tsukasa> installed reCAPTCHA =)
19:16 < Tsukasa> reCAPTCHA FTW
19:18 <@tifreak> mine is IF, I don't have a way to do that
19:18 <@tifreak> I want the blasted database so I can get it for my own though...
19:19 < Tsukasa> hmm =/
19:20 < Tsukasa> Darn.. reCAPTCHA just HAS to not have an IF plugin
19:20 < Tsukasa> huh... they have it for MediaWiki and WordPress
19:20 < Tsukasa> neat
19:21 < Tsukasa> maybe Kerm should invest in the MediaWiki one
19:27 < Tsukasa> and there goes my internet again for the million-billion-trillionth time -_-
19:29 < Tsukasa> that or the entire internet is down... -_-
19:36 <@tifreak> :P
19:37 <@tifreak> yay for new news post for me site, been over a month -_-
19:37 <@tifreak> hmm...
19:37 <@tifreak> I should try to create a page to show old news posts in php... maybe later...
19:39 < Tsukasa> I still need to work on my site archives.... still lack motivation
19:39 <@tifreak> nah, I should actually try right now, since I have ALL day to work on pokemon tomorrow...
19:40 <+BrandonW> I think the only way I can do this nonstop coding rampage is with NOS.
19:40 <+BrandonW> I think it's time to take a trip to the store.
19:40 <+BrandonW> I'm sure it will shorten my lifespan, but it's worth it.
19:41 < Tsukasa> if you need any php help, tifreak, remember that I know a bit myself =)
19:46 <@tifreak> lol BrandonW XD
19:46 <@tifreak> Tsukasa, yes I know :P
19:47 <@tifreak> I can use some code that is already made to make part of this work...
19:47  * tifreak <3 cheating XD
19:47 < Tsukasa> It's not cheating, it's using resources =D
19:48 < Tsukasa> and people always seem to forget that I am actually semi-proficient in several programming languages and tend to ignore me when they need help >.>
19:49 < Tsukasa> or, like in Java class, they know I'm a guru in that class and constantly ask me to help them to the point I'm doing it FOR them >_<
19:49 < Tsukasa> My life is a mass of polar extremes
19:49 <+BrandonW> It's fun to be that guy.
19:50 <@tifreak> lol
19:50 < Tsukasa> I've been slowly teaching my neighbor in that class everything I know so he can replace me as guru and I can just sit back and throw paper airplanes all class like before
19:50 <+BrandonW> Java sucks.
19:50 <+BrandonW> I can't understand the fascination with it.
19:51 <+BrandonW> Other than just accepting the fact that most people are idiots.
19:51 <@tifreak> I think I might end up popping in Star Trek Armada and playing that for a bit too... that was such a fun game
19:51 <@tifreak> So... if I don't do java, does that make me less of an idiot? :D
19:52 <@tifreak> There you are...
19:52 <@tifreak> Finally found my flash drive that has my website on it...
19:52 < Tsukasa> I'm only taking Java class for the credit
19:52 <+BrandonW> Yes, tifreak.
19:52 <@tifreak> woohoo!
19:53 < Tsukasa> I'd rather the school teach us a C language or python or ruby or anything else
19:53 < Tsukasa> but NOOOOOO.... 'Java is the future' they say
19:53 < Tsukasa> bah...
19:53 <+BrandonW> Python and Ruby suck, too.
19:53 < Tsukasa> that class IS good for the ego though. I'm better at Java than the teacher is =D
19:54 < Tsukasa> That doesn't really mean much
19:55 < Tsukasa> but I take my ego boosts where I can get them
19:55 <+BrandonW> I wasn't better than my assembly language teacher. Or maybe I was, I don't know, he was pretty old...he probably forgot a lot or wasn't as sharp.
19:55 <+BrandonW> He was a little scatter-brained.
19:55 < Tsukasa> Really, my teacher doesn't know how to optimize routines
19:57 < Tsukasa> Case in point, we're 'learning' how to use arrays and manipulate array data
19:57 < Tsukasa> Something about reading data from a file into an array then summing and averaging the data and outputting it all
19:58 < Tsukasa> The teacher decides that the way to do this is a long drawn out code using several for loops
19:58 < Tsukasa> -_-
20:00 < Tsukasa> I need to go play a violent game and kill things now
20:00 <@tifreak> lol
20:02 < Tsukasa> Should go play SSB Melee and beat the crap out of Jigglypuff. That'd work =D
20:02 <@tifreak> hmm, yay, it displays the links, now to stick the dates next to them...
20:04  * tifreak scratches his head
20:05 <@tifreak> hmm, that didn't work like I expected...
20:05 <@tifreak> oooh, that is why, duh XD
20:05  * tifreak goes and digs for his php book
20:05 < Tsukasa> It's all fun and games until somebody loses a semicolon
20:06 <@tifreak> actually, not the problem
20:06 <@tifreak> it displays the page
20:06 <@tifreak> just not the correct info :)
20:06 < Tsukasa> I knew it wasn't the problem, just felt like uttering that statement
20:06 <@tifreak> and now I must research something real quick like and see if I can make a simple fix ^_^
20:07  * Tsukasa watches as tifreak's news page explodes in a mess of apostrophes, semicolons, and $ signs
20:07 < Tari> >.<
20:08 < Tari> my client just started scrolling really fast
20:08 < Tari> and I was confused
20:08 < Tari> then I realized I was leaning on the page-up key
20:08 < Tsukasa> lol
20:09 < Tsukasa> at least that's human error. My IRC client often scrolls up to a random spot in the channel log spontaneously of its own accord
20:09  * Tsukasa stabs mIRC with sharpened spork
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20:12 <@tifreak> o.O
20:12 <@tifreak> O.o
20:12 <@tifreak> I'll be damned
20:12 <@tifreak> I actually got the correct data out of it :D
20:13 < Tsukasa> Nice
20:13  * Tsukasa decides to not stab tifreak with a spork for the rest of today
20:14 <+Nikky> tifreak sucks
20:15 <@tifreak> :(
20:15 <@tifreak> Why? Are you jealous, Nikky?
20:22 <+Nikky> sucker
20:23 <@tifreak> psh
20:23 <@tifreak> At least my projects get worked on, unlike some... :P
20:24 < Tsukasa> lol
20:32 <@tifreak> hmm
20:32 <@tifreak> should I just have it show every newspost ever without links, or make it show the links and you check them out individually?
20:32 <@tifreak> cause I think having it show them all on one page would be.. easier XD
20:41 <+Nikky> Woah aoah
20:41 <+Nikky> what projects aren't being worked on?
20:43 <@tifreak> Well, I was pickin on rivereye slightly for dropping his site and calc projects, KermM for not doing anything with his, yet he works on all those other things, and Tsukasa for being lazy 24/7
20:43 <+Nikky> Luckily I'm hard at work
20:43 <@tifreak> and you of course, for not getting Nspire listed as a choice for the archives on calcg :P
20:43 <+Nikky> On all sorts of secret projectz
20:44 <+BrandonW> I'm hard at work on stuff.
20:44 <@tifreak> I didn't include you brandon, you are always working on something calc related :)
20:47 < Tsukasa> I'm not lazy 24/7! I'm lazy 23:55/7!
20:51 <@tifreak> bah...
20:51  * tifreak goes off to php.net
20:51 < Tsukasa> Need help?
20:51 <@tifreak> dunno what this command is..
20:52 < Tsukasa> what command?
20:52 <@tifreak> mysql_fetch_assoc(
20:52 < Tsukasa> me neither.... ^^;
20:52 < Tsukasa> Haven't done SQL in forever
20:52 <@tifreak> my php book does not list it either :/
20:53 <@tifreak> ooooooooooooohhhh
20:53 <@tifreak> turns the result into an array :)
20:54 < Tsukasa> Who could ever guess it from the name?
20:54 < Tsukasa> Although that looks like it'd come in handy
20:54 <@tifreak> not me
20:54 < Tsukasa> duly noted for when I get back to work on the archives... sometime.... next month....
20:56 <+BrandonW> I would figure that'd be mysql_fetch_array.
20:56  * tifreak shrugs
20:57 <@tifreak> Tenniskid used it for.. my index page, I was just trying to come up with the best way to display this info :)
21:15 <@tifreak> like... cool! :D
21:16 <@tifreak> http://tifreakware.net/admin/viewoldnews.php
21:17 < Tsukasa> Nice
21:18 <@tifreak> I am almost impressed with myself
21:18 < Tsukasa> wouldn't it be better to have the news be descending from latest to oldest though?
21:18 <@tifreak> I could probably do that..
21:19 <@tifreak> I am just impressed it works :P
21:19 < Tsukasa> yup
21:20 <@tifreak> better?
21:20 < Tsukasa> :D
21:21 < Tsukasa> kudos to tifreak!
21:21 <@tifreak> I have a couple more things to add into the actual message displaying, but so far, I am happy with it :)
21:21 <@tifreak> Finally did something that didn't break so bad I got pissed off with it and left it be :P
21:21 < Tsukasa> XD
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21:23 <@tifreak8x> <_<
21:23 -!- mode/#cemetech [+v tifreak8x] by CalcIon
21:24 <+Nikky> ooo, archives
21:24 <+Nikky> Why is everyone trying ot make their onwn these days?
21:25 < Tsukasa> Because we all want our own collection of .... stuff....
21:25 < Tsukasa> to show off
21:25 <@tifreak8x> :P
21:25 <@tifreak8x> It would be nice to have one for stuff like what Lachprog does
21:25 <@tifreak8x> for SM68k
21:25 <@tifreak8x> to have something specific for his levelsets
21:27 < Tsukasa> Time to get to work
21:27 < Tsukasa> for once
21:28 <@tifreak8x> o.O
21:28 <+Nikky> work is lame
21:28 <@tifreak8x> Hancock is out, isn't it!
21:28 < Tsukasa> Hasn't it been out?
21:28 <@tifreak8x> I think since the 25th
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21:28 <@tifreak8x> maybe?
21:28 < Tsukasa> It was a fairly decent movie. I enjoyed it.
21:29 <@tifreak8x> it looked like it would be darned funny :P
21:29 <@tifreak8x> after Zohan, I might have to go get it
21:29 < Tsukasa> I want to see Zohan. That one looks great.
21:30 <+BrandonW> The preview of Hancock is what's funny about it.
21:30 <+BrandonW> It gets weird at the end.
21:30 <+BrandonW> Entertaining, but I won't be rewatching it.
21:30 < Tsukasa> Hnn.. how did I set up my old archive database..... I forget....
21:31 < Tsukasa> fxz... I can't get into CPanel
21:32 < Tsukasa> sonuva
21:33 < Tsukasa> Firefox doesn't want me getting onto CPanel since the security certificate is self-signed
21:34 <+Nikky> Don't use shitfox
21:34 <+Nikky> Problem solved
21:34  * Tsukasa boots up Lunascape
21:35 <+Nikky> The hell is that
21:35 < Tsukasa> A browser
21:35 <+Nikky> Sounds stupid
21:35 < Tsukasa> It is
21:37 < Tsukasa> But at least it works
21:38 <+BrandonW> Internet Explorer works.
21:39 < Tsukasa> Lunascape uses the Gecko, Trident, and WebKit rendering engines. It serves no other purpose than to hog resources and help you cover up the fact you're using a browser you've dedicated your life to dissing.
21:39 < Tsukasa> BUT it works at least
21:46 <+Nikky> There's nothing wrong with IE
21:46 < Tsukasa> There's a LOT wrong with IE
21:47 <+BrandonW> But there can't be...I use it.
21:47 <+Nikky> I use it as well
21:48 < Tsukasa> Trident has a quirky way of rendering things
21:49 <+Nikky> THe right way, you mean
21:49 < Tsukasa> I'm not even getting into it
21:50 <+Nikky> Because you're wrong.
21:50 < Tsukasa> Anywho, back to work
21:56 <@tifreak8x> This Zohan movie is insane XD
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23:28 <@tifreak8x> :S
23:28 <@tifreak8x> I be ignored on tcpa -_-
23:28 < Tsukasa> ah
23:28 <@tifreak8x> talking about stupid sushi and stuff
23:29 <@tifreak8x> gots a question for you, since you seem to be paying some attention..
23:29 < Tsukasa> sushi =9
23:29 <@tifreak8x> should I leave the width of the table at 100%, set it smaller, or just let it float?
23:29 < Tsukasa> For what?
23:30 <@tifreak8x> http://tifreakware.net/admin/viewoldnews.php
23:30 <@tifreak8x> then click a link
23:30 < Tsukasa> I think you should just let it float really.
23:31 <@tifreak8x> ok
23:31 <@tifreak8x> lemme see what that looks like
23:32 <@tifreak8x> ROFLROFL
23:32 <@tifreak8x> there are 15 icons to this page in my ftp folder XD
23:32 < Tsukasa> XD
23:34 <@tifreak8x> oooops
23:35 <@tifreak8x> ugh..
23:35 <@tifreak8x> this wont work like this
23:35 <@tifreak8x> gonna have to be oldest news first for a bit til I figure out how to fix that...
23:35 < Tsukasa> fix what?
23:36 <@tifreak8x> Well, the newest news shows at the top, but uses the oldest news link :/
23:37 < Tsukasa> odd
23:37 < Tsukasa> censored-for-public-viewing source plz?
23:37 <@tifreak8x> I could probably figure it out... gimme some time...
23:37 <@tifreak8x> I think I have it fingered out
23:37 <@tifreak8x> let me make some adjustments...
23:38  * Tsukasa watches as the news page explodes again
23:39 <@tifreak8x> and totally fixed :)
23:39 < Tsukasa> w00t
23:49 <@tifreak8x> So, what do you think?
23:49 < Tsukasa> needs more align="center"
23:50  * Tsukasa is a <center>-aholic apparently
23:59 <@tifreak8x> <_<
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