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[01:55:50] < Ovan> is there any free hosting with C# and php XD
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[01:58:30] < Damakaru> Lots for PHP.  [Shrugs for C#.]
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[01:59:05] < Damakaru> You'd probably have to go get a shell account or something that lets you do stuff like that.
[01:59:13] < Damakaru> Or run your own server.
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[02:06:54] < BrandonW> Work has turned me into a VB.NET junkie.
[02:06:57] < BrandonW> I truly hate that.
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[02:26:36] < Damakaru> What's the best JSON for PHP?
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[03:01:49] < saxjax> swivelgames: ftw ^^,
[03:02:02] < Tsukasa> woah. Saxjax
[03:02:13] < Damakaru> Yay!
[03:02:18] < saxjax> swivelgames: Yup yup
[03:02:25] < saxjax> swivelgames: Its been a while XD
[03:02:25] < saxjax> swivelgames: t^^,
[03:02:33] < saxjax> swivelgames: ^^, *
[03:02:34] < Damakaru> SaXjax is back, and rollin' on fo'-fo's.
[03:02:54] < saxjax> swivelgames: rofl
[03:02:55] < saxjax> swivelgames: XD
[03:03:11] < BrandonW> Quit talkin' like that, yo.
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[03:03:46] < Damakaru> BrandonW:   At least I punctuated. 
[03:04:31] < Tsukasa> I laugh silently to my own self at the antics of you two. As well, I stick out my toungue in your general directions.
[03:08:56] < Damakaru> I've been using Windows for -- what -- two weeks now? -- and I'm still trying to do Linux stuff on Windows, and saying Linux names for Windows things.
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[03:11:11] < Damakaru> The bar at the bottom is still the panel (which I'm still mad I can't split and put what I want at the top and the bottom), I still got everything split across multiple partitions - '/', '/home', '/var', '/tmp', and 'swap' - and Administrator is still 'root'.  :P
[03:11:39] < Tsukasa> why are you using windows?
[03:12:12] < Damakaru> Catalyst and Flash are still not very decent on Linux yet for the card I got.
[03:12:19] < Tsukasa> ah
[03:12:29] < Tsukasa> alright, at least it's a proper decent reason... I guess....
[03:12:34] < Tsukasa> =P
[03:12:34] < BrandonW> Don't get him talking about OSes.
[03:12:37] < BrandonW> He doesn't stop.
[03:12:38] < BrandonW> Ever.
[03:12:48] < Damakaru> What?  I stopped.
[03:13:08] < saxjax> ***Zaphod Beeblebrox has entered the room.
[03:13:09] < Damakaru> It's not like I'm switching every day anymore.  :)
[03:13:10] < BrandonW> You're on Windows for a couple of weeks, and you'll go back to Linux.
[03:13:18] < BrandonW> No, it's a matter of weeks now.
[03:13:25] < Damakaru> BrandonW:  But I stayed with Arch Linux for a year and a half!
[03:13:35] < BrandonW> Yes, you rant about that one particular distribution.
[03:13:40] < Tsukasa> ~sigh~
[03:13:41] < BrandonW> But you left it.
[03:13:47] < BrandonW> And you'll go back.
[03:13:54] < BrandonW> Seriously, it's unhealthy.
[03:13:55] < Damakaru> And when Catalyst and Flash get updated, then I'll go back, and stay another year, or permanently, if they don't suck as much.
[03:14:02] < BrandonW> You see?!
[03:14:13] < Tsukasa> and I quote you, Brandon, "Don't get him talking...." and look >>;;
[03:14:25] < BrandonW> I think I've made my point.
[03:14:35] < Tsukasa> eh, we need more activity in this channel, don't we?
[03:14:43] < Tsukasa> something other than my stupid pointless crap?
[03:14:55] < saxjax> swivelgames: lol
[03:15:02] < saxjax> swivelgames: Seems like theres enough going around ^^,
[03:15:02] < saxjax> swivelgames: lolol
[03:15:12] < BrandonW> But we don't want Damakaru's stupid pointless crap.
[03:15:12] < Damakaru> Hey that was not my fault.
[03:15:13] < Damakaru> My Internet, I guess, is really laggy on Windows.
[03:15:23] < Damakaru> IRC gives me up to one and two-minute lags, or disconnects.
[03:17:13]  * Tsukasa goes off to work on stuff and listen to music
[03:20:46] < saxjax> ***The Tari has entered the room.
[03:20:55] < Tari> gah
[03:20:58] < Tari> saxjax returns
[03:22:31] < saxjax> swivelgames: lol
[03:22:31] < saxjax> swivelgames: Is tha t a bad thing? ^^,
[03:22:39] < saxjax> swivelgames: If so I can shut 'er down
[03:22:39] < saxjax> swivelgames: XD
[03:22:46] < saxjax> Keith: should I press the panic button?
[03:22:53] < saxjax> swivelgames: I just need more votes then one is all :P
[03:23:00] < saxjax> swivelgames: And Kerm especially ^^,
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[03:27:33] < Damakaru> What about Nikky's pointless stuff?
[03:27:51] < Damakaru> Oh, wait, Nikky actually says intelligent things on IRC.  x.x
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[03:29:29] < Damakaru> The most intelligent thing I probably said was the spoon is in the cake.  :)
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[03:35:16] < Damakaru> Well, I don't kilt this channel quite nicely.  [Moves on to the next.]
[03:35:20] < Damakaru> -- done
[03:35:46] < Tsukasa> I'm pretty sure it was already dead
[03:35:57] < Tsukasa> dead the moment "Tsukasa has joined #cemetech" popped up
[03:37:43] < Tari> \o/
[03:38:39]  * Damakaru is the better channel killer.
[03:39:02] < Tsukasa> I kill channels by joining them. How can you beat that? =P
[03:39:06] < Damakaru> When I'm not 'round, I'm pretty sure ther are parties and everything.
[03:39:18] < Tsukasa> actually we both fail at this compared to Ovan
[03:39:21] < Damakaru> Productivity goes up five million percent.
[03:39:22] < Tsukasa> XD;;
[03:39:38] < Damakaru> lol
[03:39:40] < Tsukasa> actually, Ovan is the one who dies, not the channel, nevermind
[03:39:54] < Tsukasa> he's gonna kill me for that >.>;;
[03:39:56] < Damakaru> Ovan lacks FailProof (TM) protection.
[03:40:18] < Tsukasa> thankfully, I can set my channel to mute and just whole myself up there
[03:40:28] < Tsukasa> *hole
[03:47:55] < Damakaru> Oops, I got myself banned.  :P
[03:48:42] < Tsukasa> hmm... here's a question I ask myself every day: "Why the heck did I ever like Photoshop Elements?"
[03:49:42] < Damakaru> XD
[03:49:52] < Tsukasa> GIMP pwns it to death
[03:49:55] < Damakaru> The kid's version of Photoshop. :P
[03:50:51] < Tsukasa> of course
[03:51:16] < Tsukasa> because kids don't know how to pirate the full co...I mean have enough money to buy the proper one...
[03:51:25] < Damakaru> XD
[03:51:39]  * Damakaru looks both ways for Kerm.
[03:51:43] < bfr> :p
[03:53:55] < Tsukasa> uh... n00b question here:
[03:54:03] < Tsukasa> what exactly is the GIMP mascot, anyway?
[03:54:21] < Damakaru> I don't know.  But that one with the dude painting the chick GIMP was funny.
[03:54:48] < Damakaru> -- a picture of
[03:56:15] < Tsukasa> huh... according to Google, it's a coyote
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[04:08:29] <+KermM> <-- Kerm
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[04:09:02] < bfr> hey Kerm
[04:09:06] <+KermM> hi bfr
[04:09:08] <+KermM> hi Sir_Lewk
[04:09:33] <+KermM> hello Tsukasa, Damakaru
[04:09:40] <+KermM> saxjax!
[04:09:57] < saxjax> ***KermMartian has entered the room.
[04:11:15] <+KermM> The Dark Knight was superb
[04:11:18] < saxjax> swivelgames: Hehe
[04:11:18] < saxjax> swivelgames: Yeah, I opened it back up :P
[04:11:28] < saxjax> swivelgames: Happy/Sad? XD
[04:12:35] < Tari> or course it was, KermM 
[04:12:49] <+KermM> Tari: True, but now I have more specific reasons that it was awesome
[04:12:58] <+KermM> swivel: You opened saxjax?
[04:13:03] <+KermM> I didn't realize you had a copy :D
[04:13:14] < Damakaru> Now saxjax is actually a cool bot.
[04:13:24] < saxjax> ***swivelgames added a post in [Meh New BL Map :P]
[04:13:27] < Damakaru> Not UltraFail (TM) like Aura.  :)
[04:13:31] < Sir_Lewk> hello KermM 
[04:13:40] <+KermM> Damakaru: Seconded
[04:13:44] <+KermM> Sir_Lewk: What's new?
[04:13:55] < saxjax> swivelgames: Yeah, the DarkKnight was awesome!
[04:16:21] < Sir_Lewk> not much
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[04:23:03] < saxjax> ***TheStorm has entered the room.
[04:24:03] <+KermM> hi TheStorm
[04:24:21] < saxjax> ***KermMartian added a post in [Meh New BL Map :P]
[04:24:51]  * Tsukasa is away playing Scorch2K if anyone cares
[04:25:18]  * KermM would care, except he's going to sleep
[04:25:22]  * KermM is tired
[04:25:24] < saxjax> ***KermMartian added a post in [DCS suggestions thread]
[04:25:37] < Tsukasa> sleep? What means you this sleep?
[04:26:19] < saxjax> ***swivelgames added a post in [Meh New BL Map :P]
[04:27:06] <+KermM> Haha, 7 days to DCS6
[04:27:08] <+KermM> *7
[04:27:09] <+KermM> riiiiiiight
[04:27:40] < saxjax> ***swivelgames edited a post in [Meh New BL Map :P]
[04:27:45] < Tsukasa> WILL there even BE a DCS7?
[04:28:07] <+KermM> eventually
[04:28:08] < BrandonW> Undoubtedly.
[04:28:09] < Damakaru> WILL it have INTERNETS?
[04:28:10] < saxjax> ***KermMartian added a post in [Meh New BL Map :P]
[04:28:11] <+KermM> there has to be, for runprog
[04:28:18] < Tsukasa> ah
[04:28:26] < Tsukasa> well, I'll look forward to it, whenever that is
[04:28:27] <+KermM> Damakaru: DCS7 will only have internets if a certain BrandonW gets usb wifi working :)
[04:28:45] < BrandonW> It doesn't have to be wireless, you know.
[04:28:49] <+KermM> true
[04:28:52] < BrandonW> Write a PC proxy thingy and use the graph link.
[04:28:56] < BrandonW> And work on the oncalc web browser.
[04:28:58] < BrandonW> IRC client, etc.
[04:29:00] <+KermM> BrandonW: Sounds like gCn :P
[04:29:01] < Tsukasa> DCS with internets? I'd die of happy
[04:29:12] < Tsukasa> or of my teachers killing me >.>;;
[04:29:13] < Damakaru> Issue free GraphLinks to the first some peoples to do something?
[04:29:15] <+KermM> that was the original plan for gCn, anyway
[04:29:20] < Damakaru> I need one!  D:
[04:29:24] < saxjax> ***swivelgames added a post in [Meh New BL Map :P]
[04:29:28] < BrandonW> I know what you need to do, Kerm.
[04:29:33] < BrandonW> You need to add direct USB support.
[04:29:36] <+KermM> BrandonW: what's that?
[04:29:40] <+KermM> elaborate
[04:29:43] < Tsukasa> wth? Shooter blew itself up......
[04:29:54] < BrandonW> Transferring of variables to another calculator through direct USB.
[04:30:02] <+KermM> ah
[04:30:05] <+KermM> indeed I do
[04:30:12] <+KermM> in fact, I need to add any transfer support
[04:30:29] < BrandonW> Calc<->calc transfers can be done with a minimum amount of code.
[04:30:59] < BrandonW> PC<->calc transfers are pretty much insane.
[04:31:12] < BrandonW> It's okay with TiLP, but heaven help you with TI Connect.
[04:32:00] <+KermM> hehe, not surprised
[04:32:07] <+KermM> ok, Kerm out for tonight, lovely speaking to you all
[04:32:07] < BrandonW> One sec.
[04:32:07] <+KermM> gnight
[04:32:09] <+KermM> ?
[04:32:14] < BrandonW> One second.
[04:32:16] < BrandonW> You want to see this.
[04:32:16] <+KermM> k
[04:33:06] < BrandonW> http://rafb.net/p/tJ4vJP40.html That's the start of the direct USB logic in periph8x.
[04:33:14] < BrandonW> All that garbage just to get basic communication going.
[04:33:20] < BrandonW> Look at all the parameter stuff at the bottom.
[04:33:21] < BrandonW> Just insane.
[04:33:27] < BrandonW> This is to do ANY VARIABLE TRANSFER WITH TI CONNECT.
[04:34:17] < bfr> Wow
[04:34:32] < bfr> (...is a very fun game)
[04:34:40] < Damakaru> Holy [...] with a heapin' helpin' side of [...] on top of [...] with extra [...] on the side, and a large bottle of [...] with a [...] on top! 
[04:34:41] <+KermM> holy...
[04:34:44] <+KermM> that's freaking insane
[04:35:01] < BrandonW> You don't even want to know what TI Connect does when it's just detecting your calculator.
[04:35:02] < Damakaru> Brain aneurysm right there lookin' at that.
[04:35:11] < BrandonW> It ACTUALLY ERASES THE SWAP SECTOR on every communication attempt.
[04:35:16] < BrandonW> Because it's buffering app headers.
[04:35:19] < BrandonW> To transfer back to the PC.
[04:35:20] <+KermM> :D roflcopters
[04:35:23] < Damakaru> O_O
[04:35:26] <+KermM> on every single attempt?
[04:35:32] < BrandonW> EVERY SINGLE ATTEMPT.
[04:35:32] < Damakaru> So, TiLP helps kill your calculator?
[04:35:37] < BrandonW> I've written to them to get them to change it.
[04:35:38] < Damakaru> -- So TI-Connect
[04:35:43] < BrandonW> At the very LEAST to use RAM pages instead.
[04:35:53] < bfr> O.o
[04:36:02] < Damakaru> Good thing I use TiLP.
[04:36:06] < BrandonW> Yes, TI Connect will kill your calculator.
[04:36:10] <+KermM> good thing I use emulators
[04:36:12] < BrandonW> Promote strong TiLP and legacy graph link usage.
[04:36:19] < Damakaru> This is important.  I'm putting it in my quit message.
[04:36:29] < BrandonW> I've been saying this for months, people.
[04:36:34] < BrandonW> What do I have to do to get your attention?!
[04:37:35] < BrandonW> But I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm missing something and it actually IS important to retrieve the 84+/SE clock time when transferring a list to RAM...
[04:37:44] < BrandonW> It grabs EVERYTHING from the calculator.
[04:37:55] < BrandonW> Certificate, all installed apps and their headers, the clock, free RAM/archive, EVERYTHING.
[04:38:23] < BrandonW> Such a bloated protocol.
[04:38:49] < Damakaru> I had to take a word out, but I got it.
[04:38:56] < BrandonW> But that same file has the code to receive an unsigned OS through direct USB while keeping just enough of the old OS intact to keep USB communication going.
[04:38:59] < BrandonW> It's quite screwy. I like it.
[04:39:30] < BrandonW> The old OS actually isn't necessary at all, but it's cooler this way.
[04:40:08] < bfr> :P
[04:41:23] <+KermM> showoff
[04:41:34] < BrandonW> :(
[04:41:44] <+KermM> lol, I kid
[04:41:51] <+KermM> very well done
[04:42:18] < BrandonW> TI kills me...the boot code is all set up to support receiving OS packets of any size, but it always assumes 256 bytes.
[04:42:26] < BrandonW> Stupid crap like that is why we have unsigned OS boot code exploits.
[04:42:56] < Damakaru> Maybe you could make a patch for TI-Connect.
[04:43:00] < bfr> I think I'm going to put this in my forum signaturse now http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/495/usetilpbf9.png (if that's OK with everybody who talked in my screenshot)
[04:43:04] < Damakaru> Or for the calc, so TI-Connect can't kill it.
[04:43:19] < BrandonW> I'm going to finish re-implementing this using RAM pages instead of that ridiculous swap sector stuff.
[04:43:22] <+KermM> bfr: aye
[04:43:54] < bfr> to help spread the word of TI-Connect's killing ability
[04:44:02] < BrandonW> If you want documentation on this, I can write something up.
[04:44:07] < BrandonW> Let's publicly bash TI Connect!
[04:44:12] < BrandonW> Finally something to stick to them.
[04:44:23] < bfr> Documentation would be nice
[04:44:24] < Damakaru> I already said it to #TCPA (probably again).
[04:44:27] < BrandonW> Proof that they are total morons.
[04:44:46] < BrandonW> I started laughing when I saw the code that writes to the swap sector.
[04:44:51] < BrandonW> And it doesn't even use the whole thing!
[04:44:53] < Damakaru> They went straight to a convo 'bout games.
[04:44:54] < BrandonW> It starts at the third page.
[04:45:22] < The_Storm> lol
[04:45:48] < The_Storm> ok I give on my arch linux install for now
[04:45:57] < The_Storm> this much agony isn't worth it
[04:46:00] < Damakaru> Then again, they probably don't think I'm intelligent enough, so most of what I say in there gets ignored or insulted  :
[04:46:02] < Damakaru> -- :P
[04:46:23] < bfr> The_Storm: haha
[04:46:52] < bfr> yeah, I just use Ubuntu/Fedora
[04:47:02] < The_Storm> I'll burn a new 64 bit installer cd, and I'll pre format the drive useing knoppi
[04:47:02] < Damakaru> Ew.
[04:47:04] < The_Storm> x
[04:47:06] < Damakaru> Arch Linux for the win!
[04:47:26] < bfr> (I tried out Gentoo, and I thought the concept of it was pretty cool, but it was taking too much time to set up)
[04:47:26] < The_Storm> I've used ubuntu but I wan't to try something different
[04:47:41] < Damakaru> Oh, God, I think I am becoming a fan boy.
[04:47:54] < The_Storm> right about now I feel the same way about arch linu
[04:47:56] < The_Storm> x
[04:48:28]  * Damakaru waves.
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[04:49:36] < The_Storm> BrandonW it mostliky has something to do with them being to lazy to have differnt code for the models with the extra ram, the just sue the same stuff for the entire 83 series
[04:50:07] < BrandonW> This entire protocol is exclusively for the 84+ and 84+SE.
[04:50:13] < BrandonW> You can make the assumption about RAM pages.
[04:50:18] < The_Storm> ok wow they fail
[04:51:14] < BrandonW> Write some code that does nothing but call FindSwapSector and then EraseFlash.
[04:51:21] < BrandonW> Very slow.
[04:51:51] < The_Storm> I mean they mad ethe calcs so they know that they will be there unless the computer side guys and the hardware guys don't talk at all
[04:51:57] < saxjax> ***vanchagreen has entered the room.
[04:52:16] < BrandonW> I can deal with TI Connect requesting everything, it's ridiculous but I can see it.
[04:52:25] < The_Storm> why?
[04:52:29] < BrandonW> But a Flash sector? No.
[04:52:42] < BrandonW> If they're lazy and just request everything in case they need it later.
[04:52:50] < The_Storm> ahh ok
[04:53:03] < saxjax> ***bfr has entered the room.
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[04:53:28] < The_Storm> well if they request the os too then couldn't we hack a way to get the os off of the calc?
[04:53:46] < The_Storm> I mean retrive it form where they store it?
[04:54:28] < The_Storm> well w/e gnight all
[04:54:34] < bfr> good night
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[04:58:24] < BrandonW> How nice of my computer to just fall over and die.
[04:58:33] < bfr> :p
[04:58:36] < Tsukasa> heheh
[04:58:38] < BrandonW> After a couple of days, it just decides to stop outputting to my third monitor.
[04:58:44] < BrandonW> And that screws up the other two about 5 minutes later.
[04:58:50] < BrandonW> And then I hard-lock and then reboot.
[04:58:58] < Tari|zzz> D:
[04:59:08] < saxjax> ***magicdanw has entered the room.
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[04:59:25] < BrandonW> The last thing that happened was a Windows message about my driver being written for an earlier version of Windows.
[04:59:25] < Tari|zzz> I just wrote 5 lines of code in 30 minutes
[04:59:33] < BrandonW> I'm quite clearly using the XP driver for all of them.
[04:59:43] < Tari|zzz> although it's x86, which I'm extremely rustly on
[04:59:44] < Tari|zzz> rusty, even
[05:00:09] < Tari|zzz> sounds like a pretty catastrophic failure to me :(
[05:00:14] < Tari|zzz> good luck with that
[05:01:11] < BrandonW> I'll live with it.
[05:01:24] < BrandonW> Third monitor's almost exclusively fullscreen video anyway.
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