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[00:15:16] <@Andy_J> !seen calcion
[00:15:17] <@CalcBot> CalcIon (calcion@69.92.157.244) was last seen quitting from #MaxCoderz 3 hours, 40 minutes ago stating (Ping timeout: 360 seconds).
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[01:24:27] < aquanight> Andy_J: yes
[01:24:33] < aquanight> I know about that.
[01:24:44] < aquanight> the box has for some reason or another completely lost its ability to get on the internet
[01:24:50] < aquanight> things can connect TO it
[01:24:52] < aquanight> strangely enough
[01:24:57] < aquanight> but it can't connect out for some reason
[01:25:40] < aquanight> hmmm
[01:25:43]  * aquanight tries something
[01:26:11] < aquanight> AHA!
[01:26:16] < aquanight> something's borked with my iptables config
[01:26:21] < mokomull> that would do it.
[01:26:35] < aquanight> I just did -I INPUT 1 -j ACCEPT
[01:26:37] < aquanight> and shit worked
[01:26:51] < mokomull> haha
[01:26:52] < aquanight> so now I need to figure out which rule is blocking internets
[01:27:09] < mokomull> pastebin them, and I'll look
[01:27:33] < mokomull> or PM or email them to mokomull@gmail.com using my PGP key if you really care =P
[01:28:50] < aquanight> well
[01:29:06] < aquanight> first thing I can think of is I have a SHIIIIT load of IPs on drop
[01:29:20] < aquanight> so I think I'm going to flush and reinit that chain and see if it helps
[01:30:18] < mokomull> why so many?
[01:30:20] < _Nikky_> haha pgp
[01:30:21] < _Nikky_> what a nerd
[01:30:34] < mokomull> _Nikky_: You've known that!
[01:30:49] < aquanight> I don't need the list now that I've closed ssh from outside access.
[01:32:26] < _Nikky_> as nikky quickly imports mokomull's pgp public key
[01:32:27] < _Nikky_> >.>
[01:34:07] < aquanight> hmmm
[01:34:41] < aquanight> yeah, UDP 53, is falling through
[01:34:51] < aquanight> strange
[01:35:03] < aquanight> the router doesn't report itself as the nameserver
[01:35:11] < aquanight> it just asks DNS requests to go direct to the ISP nameservers
[01:35:52] < aquanight> so now I'll need to figure out if I can get dhcpcd to add ACCEPT UDP 53 from ISP nameservers
[01:36:20] <@Andy_J> mokomull: key? :p
[01:36:30] <@Andy_J> mine's http://ajanata.com/pubkey.txt
[01:37:13] < _Nikky_> you don't upload to a keyserver?
[01:37:19] <@Andy_J> I should
[01:40:16] < _Nikky_> :)
[01:41:03] < mokomull> Andy_J: gpg --recv-keys A68B69D4
[01:41:25] <@Andy_J> now how do I export my key?
[01:41:36] < mokomull> to a keyserver?
[01:41:40] <@Andy_J> yes
[01:42:16] < mokomull> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys 7E781F3C
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[01:43:09] < mokomull> I really ought to revoke and recreate my key so I can undo the like six UIDs that I'll never use again
[01:43:10] < _Nikky_> too bad C84A16CF kicks the shit out of A68B69D4
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[01:47:44] < aquanight> mmmm
[01:49:48] <@Andy_J> should be up now
[01:50:34] < mokomull> indeed: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x7E781F3C
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[01:51:59] < aquanight> blah
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[01:52:41] < _Nikky_> change the hub to ginsburg
[01:52:44] < _Nikky_> you know you want to
[01:53:15] < aquanight> THAR FIXED IT
[01:53:25] < aquanight> DNS was the only problem
[01:53:55] < aquanight> I'm guessing before, what happened was the router replied to DNS
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[01:54:11] < aquanight> so it was allowed via my catchall accept rule for 192.168/16
[01:54:17] < _Nikky_> I like Souter more than ginsburg now
[01:54:18] < _Nikky_> :)
[01:54:18] < aquanight> but when we switched routers
[01:54:37] < aquanight> the new router tells DHCP clients to use the ISP nameservers directly
[01:54:53] < aquanight> so the source IP was an ISP nameserver rather than the router
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[01:55:28] < aquanight> the solution? I set up a dhcp script to parse resolv.conf and add the ISP nameservers as allowed to send UDP with sourceport = 53
[01:55:29] < mokomull> aquanight: Do you not have a --state RELATED -j ACCEPT ?
[01:55:45] < aquanight> what's --state RELATED do?
[01:56:19] < mokomull> RELATED meaning that the packet is starting a new connection, but is associated with an existing connection
[01:56:22] < mokomull> that's actually not what I meant
[01:56:30] < mokomull> --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT is what I meant
[01:56:53] < aquanight> mokomull: my default rules accept 192.168/16 everything, for everything else, if I don't have the port explicitly open, it'll reject any TCP that is +SYN -ACK, or all UDP and ICMP
[01:57:12] < mokomull> ah
[01:57:16] < aquanight> I'm not sure how --state ESTABLISHED interacts with UDP/ICMP
[01:57:36] < aquanight> and TCP checking for +SYN, -ACK should do the same thing
[01:58:00] < mokomull> --state ESTABLISHED basically does a heuristic with UDP, and ignores ICMP
[01:58:10] < aquanight> actually, it looks for: +SYN, -ACK, -FIN, -RST
[01:58:17] < aquanight> I think
[01:58:38] < mokomull> pretty much, if you had just sent a packet that was UDP ports A -> B, then it would allow a packet back that was ports B -> A
[01:58:49] < mokomull> (with the same hosts)
[01:59:58] < mokomull> I accept all --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED, drop --state NEW -p tcp ! --syn
[02:00:35] < mokomull> and then allow services specifically
[02:00:50] < aquanight> er
[02:00:51] < mokomull> I also accept all IGMP packets
[02:00:57] < aquanight> --state NEW , but ! --syn ?
[02:01:03] < aquanight> isn't --syn basically --state NEW ?
[02:01:17] < mokomull> basically, it catches things where I've missed the SYN packet
[02:01:30] < aquanight> ah
[02:01:37] < aquanight> TCP should catch that by itself
[02:01:50] < mokomull> and they're slightly different, --state NEW refers to the first packet in a stream as per conntrack
[02:02:05] < aquanight> though
[02:02:10] < mokomull> TCP usually would ignore it, and honestly, I can't remember exactly why I even care
[02:02:25] < aquanight> I suppose TCP could go and RST it erroneously
[02:02:51] < mokomull> *shrug*
[02:02:55] < aquanight> it also would drop SYNACKs that don't belong to anything
[02:02:58] < aquanight> I think.
[02:03:08] < mokomull> I saw it in some iptables tutorial somewhere
[02:03:34] < aquanight> I'm not paranoid enough that I won't trust TCP to do the right thing if I miss the SYN :)
[02:03:39] < mokomull> hehe
[02:04:04] < mokomull> but you are paranoid enough to block all UDP packets =P
[02:04:17] < aquanight> mokomull: true
[02:04:27] < aquanight> after all
[02:04:28] < _Nikky_> I leave everything open
[02:04:31] < aquanight> if the UDP didn't belong to anything
[02:04:35] < aquanight> it would just be dropped
[02:04:36] < _Nikky_> my computers are the goatse of the internet
[02:04:52] < aquanight> so theoretically I could leave UDP alone
[02:05:02] < _Nikky_> why is ZiLOG80 trying to link to calcion?
[02:05:16] < aquanight> ohshi-
[02:05:19] < mokomull> aquanight: Well, no, if you left UDP open completely, then something could run a server that listened on UDP
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[02:06:24] <@Andy_J> _Nikky_: because it was unable to link to calcbot at one point in time long ago
[02:06:25] < aquanight> mokomull: yes
[02:06:31] < aquanight> that's the main reason I blocked it
[02:06:36] <@Andy_J> it's moving boxes in a few days at which point it will link to calcbot
[02:06:49] < aquanight> if I want something able to UDP out
[02:06:51] < aquanight> I'll allow it
[02:06:51] < _Nikky_> how about using a stable bot, like ginsburg, as the hub? :)
[02:07:01] < aquanight> _Nikky_: hush.
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[02:07:18] < aquanight> what's so special about Ginsburg anyway?
[02:07:30] < aquanight> it can have clogged tubes as easily as the rest.
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[02:07:35] < _Nikky_> never
[02:07:38] < aquanight> yes.
[02:07:46] < _Nikky_> I have implicit trust in our computing staff
[02:08:07] < _Nikky_> Or were you referring to Justice Ginsburg? :D
[02:09:20] < aquanight> _Nikky_: and the next construction team in the area, I'll make sure they accidentally dig through your cable/phone/whatever line.
[02:09:32] < aquanight> and if it's on wireless internet
[02:09:33] < _Nikky_> I doubt it
[02:09:36] < aquanight> that is by definition, not stable
[02:09:39] < _Nikky_> that might piss off the university
[02:09:47] < aquanight> _Nikky_: it might
[02:09:48] < _Nikky_> who likes to sue
[02:09:53] < aquanight> but keyword: accidentally :)
[02:10:08] < aquanight> one misplaced shovel...
[02:10:23] < _Nikky_> I fail to see your argument
[02:10:30] < aquanight> you can't tell where the cable is until you've uncovered it
[02:10:38] < aquanight> very possible to put a shovel right through it
[02:10:51] < _Nikky_> Are you seriously claiming that a consumer level network connection is as stable as a tier 1 university?
[02:10:51] < aquanight> or pick, or any other digging implement
[02:11:07] < aquanight> god help you if they use one of them big scoopers
[02:11:26] < _Nikky_> I'm concerned now
[02:11:26] < aquanight> _Nikky_: prove otherwise
[02:11:28] < aquanight> kthx
[02:11:37] < _Nikky_> I'm not the one making the claim
[02:11:37] < _Nikky_> :)
[02:11:51] < aquanight> _Nikky_: anything and everything can have clogged tubes
[02:12:02] < aquanight> just takes the right circumstances
[02:12:04] < _Nikky_> I still fail to see your point
[02:12:09] < aquanight> some are harder than others
[02:12:57] < aquanight> it also depends on if your faith in your IT crew is well-deserved
[02:13:07] < aquanight> that's something I would have no knowledge of
[02:13:12] < aquanight> in any case
[02:13:17] < aquanight> it hardly matters
[02:13:30] < _Nikky_> good, because I just switched hubs when you all weren't looking
[02:13:36] < _Nikky_> :)
[02:13:45] < mokomull> why do we care so much about this channel anyway?
[02:13:55] < mokomull> it's just Andy_J and DSP_Lord talking about games anymore
[02:14:04] <@Andy_J> XD
[02:14:07] < _Nikky_> I fail to see your point
[02:14:08] < aquanight> well, it at least justifies half the name
[02:14:24] <+DSP_Lord> XD
[02:14:24] < aquanight> now they just need to play guitar hero or whatever on their TI-83+s and we have it taken care of.
[02:14:29] < mokomull> better than the Other channel anyway =P
[02:14:32] <@Andy_J> hey
[02:14:36] <@Andy_J> I'm considering it somehow.
[02:14:36] <+DSP_Lord> so, how about me > Andy_J on GH2 overall? >______________>
[02:14:40] < _Nikky_> guitar hero suxxors
[02:14:42] <@Andy_J> orly
[02:14:45] <+DSP_Lord> LIES
[02:14:48] < _Nikky_> rly
[02:14:48] <+DSP_Lord> and yarly
[02:14:59] <@Andy_J> well I'm setting up drupal
[02:15:04] < aquanight> Andy_J: yeah, how's your z80 port of GH4 going? :P
[02:15:05] <+DSP_Lord> wtf is that
[02:15:05] <@Andy_J> then I can has guitar hero night
[02:15:10] <+DSP_Lord> onoes
[02:15:26] < aquanight> full 128Kbit (or whatever) sound through that serial port would be fun
[02:15:30] <+DSP_Lord> lol
[02:15:41] < aquanight> more like you'd need an 84 with the USB stuff
[02:15:45] <+DSP_Lord> what did "Damakaru" do this time?
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[02:16:14] < _Nikky_> changed his nick again
[02:17:32] <@Andy_J> if he uses anything else (ghost nicks notwithstanding) he's gone
[02:17:36] <@Andy_J> and he knows it
[02:18:07] <+DSP_Lord> ¯\(°_o)/¯
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[03:20:47] < chronomex> is this calcgames' channel, hm?
[03:20:57] <@Andy_J> yes
[03:21:02] < tifreak86> yup
[03:21:02] < chronomex> ok
[03:21:20] <@Andy_J> where we talk about even more random things than #tcpa
[03:21:28] < chronomex> AWESOME
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[03:34:14] < Barrett> this.users++;  !!!!!
[03:42:01] < Nikky> mokomull
[03:42:32] < Nikky> mokomull
[03:42:32] < Nikky> mokomull
[03:42:33] < Nikky> mokomull
[03:42:33] < Nikky> mokomull
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[03:45:09] < Cricket_B> Does anyone here control Remius? (Damakaru's idea to ask)
[03:45:28] < Cricket_B> Or at least know their operator?
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[03:45:49] < Cricket_B> Hi.
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[03:45:55] < prime38> i call sloppy seconds
[03:46:00] < chronomex> ok
[03:46:26] < prime38> ohh man.......
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[03:54:46] < mokomull> Nikky
[03:54:46] < mokomull> Nikky
[03:54:47] < mokomull> Nikky
[03:54:48] < mokomull> Nikky
[03:54:48] < mokomull> Nikky
[03:59:30] < Grue> spammer
[03:59:31] < Grue> spammer
[03:59:31] < Grue> spammer
[03:59:33] < Grue> :P
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[18:13:00] <@Andy_J> ok, ZiLOG80 will not be moving Real Soon Now as I had originally thought.
[18:14:58] <+DSP_Lord> no u
[18:16:42] <@Andy_J> yes me
[18:16:48] <@CalcBot> Couldn't be.
[18:17:09] <@ZiLOG80> Then who?!
[18:17:30] <+DSP_Lord> HAX
[18:17:31] <@Andy_J> Also, cut that out. It's exceedingly annoying.
[18:17:47] <@Andy_J> And I'm glad they're boxing for it now.
[18:17:53] <+DSP_Lord> ummmm...
[18:17:56] <+DSP_Lord> hmmm...
[18:18:23] <+DSP_Lord> well, your opinion is yours, and mine is mine
[18:19:05] <@ZiLOG80> I think I ruined my >100 day idle time for that.
[18:19:17] <+DSP_Lord> heh
[18:19:24] <@Andy_J> oh wow
[18:19:25] <+DSP_Lord> was it worth it?
[18:19:31] <@Andy_J> for some reason .say does not count against it
[18:19:32] <@Andy_J> *Andy_J      ZiLOG80    telnet@localhost [idle 143d2h] AWAY: ...
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