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[03:08:15] < Merthsoft> michael_v seems crazier and crazier every time he gets on
[03:53:59] < Nikky> He's a retard
[03:54:02] < Nikky> I hate him so much
[03:54:09] < Nikky> and everyone is like OMG ITS MICHAEL
[03:54:16] < Nikky> BETTER BE NICE BECAUSE HE MIGHT FATURE MY PROGRAMA!!!
[03:54:38] < Merthsoft> lol
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[05:50:17] <+DSP_Lord> Andy_J: sweet scores tonight
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[12:14:45] < E-J> CalcBot: calc 1600 - 927.56
[12:14:47] <@CalcBot> 1600 - 927.56 = 672.44
[12:15:09] < E-J> CalcBot: calc 953.54 - 672.44
[12:15:11] <@CalcBot> 953.54 - 672.44 = 281.1
[13:18:28] <@Andy_J> lmao, internation shipment arrives a day early
[13:18:29] <@Andy_J> Mar 20, 2008 	 8:49 AM	
[13:18:29] <@Andy_J> 		
[13:18:29] <@Andy_J> 	On FedEx vehicle for delivery   	
[13:18:29] <@Andy_J> 		
[13:18:31] <@Andy_J> 	AKRON, OH 
[13:19:31] < mokomull> oooh
[13:19:38] < mokomull> whatcha getting?
[13:19:42] <@Andy_J> time capsule
[13:19:47] < mokomull> ...?
[13:19:52] <@Andy_J> all the way from shanghai
[13:20:07] < mokomull> oh apple bullshit.
[13:20:09] <@Andy_J> oh come now
[13:20:13] <@Andy_J> ...
[13:20:20] <@Andy_J> it's cheaper than the parts individually
[13:22:06] < mokomull> how much did it cost?
[13:22:39] <@Andy_J> $280 (student discount yay)
[13:23:48] < mokomull> not bad
[13:24:20] < mokomull> but still, it's an Apple product
[13:24:27] <@Andy_J> so?
[13:24:43] < mokomull> closed piece of junk much?
[13:25:00] < mokomull> I don't like Apple products' lack of debugging help
[13:25:17] <@Andy_J> we'll ignore the kernel dtrace, mmkay?
[13:26:08] < mokomull> I mean, like... say iMovie is writing a file, and for some reason the filesystem fails (maybe you've written over the FAT 4G limit)... does it tell you it fails?  nah.  It stalls.
[13:26:26] < mokomull> and "An Error Occurred" ... thanks, Apple.
[13:26:38] < mokomull> granted, when it works, it's beautiful.
[13:27:24] <@Andy_J> is windows movie maker any more informative?
[13:27:31] < mokomull> fuck if I know.
[13:27:41] <@Andy_J> my hunch is that it isn't
[13:27:44] < mokomull> it's a premium object for a version of Vista I don't have :P
[13:27:57] <@Andy_J> or a program included in every version of xp :p
[13:28:12] <@Andy_J> ...both...
[13:28:12] < mokomull> but you aren't supposed to use XP anymore!
[13:28:29] <@Andy_J> The fact that there is more than one version of the operating system is itself an issue with the operating system.
[13:28:47] < mokomull> Have I once said the Vista model was BETTER than Apple's?  FUCK THAT SHIT.
[13:28:57] <@Andy_J> I didn't mean that.
[13:29:29] <@Andy_J> oh, Barrett isn't here.
[13:29:44] < mokomull> troll bait much?
[13:30:23] <@Andy_J> I was trying to get him to bite with something like "well I don't have to pay for features I'll never use" then I was going to counter with "Well, Leopard is still far cheaper than the cheapest version of Vista, and it still has all the eye candy"
[13:31:35] < mokomull> and is far more functional
[13:31:56] < mokomull> at the moment, I'm using Leopard + Firefox, at work.
[13:32:28] < mokomull> and Adium when I want AIM.  Nothing more.
[13:32:44] < mokomull> granted, I do all my real work on my Linux machine across campus remotely though :P
[13:41:31] < mokomull> hey, Andy_J ... Vista Home Premium is $99.99 from NewEgg, currently marked down to $79.99
[13:41:39] <@Andy_J> Gasp.
[13:41:47] < mokomull> (OEM)
[13:42:47] <@Andy_J> That's cheaper than I can get it at school, I think. =\
[13:42:51] <@Andy_J> Not that I would WANT to get it.
[13:43:16] < mokomull> MSDN AA is nice
[13:43:22] < mokomull> Vista Business for free :P
[13:43:36] < mokomull> which is good enough for testing so I know what to do at the help desk.
[13:44:21] <@Andy_J> Cheap fuckers here, we don't have any msdn subscription
[13:44:27] <@Andy_J> then again we are very light on microsoft bullcrap
[13:44:40] <@Andy_J> only need any of it for one class, and it's an elective
[13:44:49] < mokomull> luckily, I'm an ELEC, so I don't have to use VS.
[13:44:51] < mokomull> :P
[13:45:07] < mokomull> although, really, out of all the MS products, Visual Studio is probably the best.
[13:45:20] < mokomull> But Visual C++ .... I want whatever drugs their programmers were on.
[13:45:34] <@Andy_J> visual studio is indeed decent
[13:45:45] <@Andy_J> I need to play with its windows mobile and xbox 360 targets more
[13:46:18] < mokomull> I ought to write WM5 software, since the Japanese dictionary I have now blows.
[13:46:21] <@Andy_J> the latter of which is really sweet
[13:46:40] <@Andy_J> hell, you can debug code over ethernet while it runs on a physical 360
[13:46:43] < mokomull> but then again, I should probably just buy a dedicated electronic Japanese dictionary.
[13:46:43] <@Andy_J> now THAT is sexy
[13:46:50] < mokomull> yep
[13:47:04] < mokomull> it's like the kernel debugging in Linux, except you don't need a null-modem cable :P
[13:47:11] <@Andy_J> probably can do the same over usb an a wm device
[13:47:31] < mokomull> I think it uses a direct emulator, actually.
[13:48:00] < mokomull> with PocketPC 2003, it ran a compiled-for-x86 version, but now with WM5, it actually runs the ARM code in an emulator.
[13:48:03] <@Andy_J> I don't know, I think all the XNA crap runs in an effective VM anyway
[13:48:18] < mokomull> well, it's .NET, so it can't NOT run in a VM
[13:48:18] <@Andy_J> oh, that
[13:48:27] <@Andy_J> I thought you meant 360
[13:48:36] < mokomull> ah
[13:48:51] <@Andy_J> not like a vm when you have 3 3.2 GHz cores is that much of an issue
[13:49:00] < mokomull> we used XNA in a game programming course, but we never got around to running it on an XBox
[13:49:19] <@Andy_J> Currently my code can only make the whole screen a solid color
[13:49:26] <@Andy_J> as that's all I had time to figure out that night
[13:49:39] < mokomull> but then again, I couldn't give less of a fuck about game programming.
[13:58:58] <@Andy_J> when I was messing with a test program for my phone, it took longer to get the fucking .net cf 3.5 runtime onto it than it did to make the program
[14:23:16] < mokomull> yep
[14:23:33] < mokomull> WM software should be done in VC++ if you want it to be fast ><
[14:25:04] <@Andy_J> it was more an issue of vc#.net trying to download it automatically but it not having actually been installed to the computer for some reason
[14:25:22] <@Andy_J> so I had to hunt around microsoft's web site to find the damn thing
[14:25:38] <@Andy_J> then uninstall 2.5 so there'd be room for it
[14:25:54] < mokomull> well, yeah, the runtime is fucking huge
[14:26:10] < mokomull> but VC++ is so ... dirty
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[15:56:10] < Grue> I got some stuff for free through DreamSpark
[15:56:13] < Grue> Too bad I won't use it :/
[15:56:18] < Grue> (I don't really code anymore...)
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[19:09:11] < E-J> 3rd time
[19:09:25] < E-J> CalcBot: calc 124.5*1.5
[19:09:27] <@CalcBot> 124.5*1.5 = 186.75
[19:21:39] < Nikky> whores
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